Downtown Development Authority Board - Regular Meeting

So he still got a good year of rehab but there's a lot of likely a lot more traffic and a little bit safe at least on the summer not that it's dead well they'll be able to use it so long depending I'm excited. Yeah. Are we ready? Can we get a roll call going? Okay. Parks Thompson, Katie Souls, Steve Fitzgerald, Greg Beckler. Nick, can you hear us? Yes, I can. Sorry about that. I need some technical stuff on my end. else out there. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yes. Okay, cool. Good morning, Nick. Good morning. Anybody else online? That's that's it for the committee. Okay, good. I think we have just enough. All right. Can we get a movement to approve the agenda? I move to approve the agenda. Seconded. All in favor? I I make movement to approve the consent agenda. Is that right? Yes. Okay. I wasn't here at the last meeting. Nor was I. So nor was I. Okay. So um Nick Nick, did you I move to to approve the consent agenda. Second. All in favor? I I did review the minutes. Oh, good. They look good. All right, cool. All right, so we have an open forum. Does anybody have anything to discuss today other than

what's on the agenda? I don't see anybody. Anybody online? No. Awesome. So, we have a discussion and possible action here of sculpture and signage ideas with John Henley. If John, you'd like to step up and we could ask some questions to John. It's about the bike park um sculpture and then maybe sculptures of the uh over by the train station. Is that right? Yeah. So, just to provide a little background context, um we've been talking about possible different district enhancements that the DDA could use with the kind of amount of funding we have now. Um, so throughout this year, we've kind of talked about different ideas. Monument signs is one that's been popped up. Um, I know there's interest from Frasier Valley Arts for that one as well. Um, there's interest from the town and the mayor. We've kind of been waiting on wayfinding and C do DOT, although the reality is C do DOT, that project, I think we're looking at possibly a decade. Um, maybe I'm overstating that, but it looks like they are looking currently, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, Garrett. Um, to go from kind of rendevous road to Clayton Drive. Is that uh Avenue Avenue? It's the one that actually comes out where HTA is um as a first phase. And they have money to design that. And I think that is supposed to be a year or two before they would construct that. And then they would kind of design from Clayton Court pass maybe to County Road eight. Five. Okay. Um so from there to five would be phase two. Okay. So we should have a design within a year or two that we could at least work off of for things like this and we could talk to them about some of those

monument signs. Um, as we know, there's an ongoing town comprehensive plan and then there's also a wayfinding um, study plan that the town has been doing in conjunction with Winter Park and Winter Park Resort. So, we've had a few things that kind of feel like we're in a holding pattern. Um, but one of the ideas that popped up was with the increase in rail traffic, both with the ski train um, that expanded its service this past winter and I believe that expanded service is continuing into this winter. Um, and then they're also starting just daily yearly passenger service in addition to the ski train that would come up from Denver. I believe it stops at the resort as well. um don't quote me on that part, but then Frasier and Graanby and then would go back that day um of looking to do something to kind of spruce up just when you get off the train or you're just looking out the window, something to kind of better announce Frasier and kind of speak to Frasier's identity, maybe peak people's interest as a place to stop. Um, so looking at possibly whether it be wavefinding or more we kind of were looking at something maybe more sculpture/welcome sign that maybe kind of had a little bit of character for your character to it. Um, as something that possibly we could look at doing that I don't feel like necessarily has to be in one of those holding patterns. Um, but that was one idea. John had also shared with me a sculpture of a bike that he had done for another bike park that didn't come to be. if we wanted to have some sort of kind of monument sign up by the um in my head it would be up kind of either on the parking lot or that frontage road once the bike park was built you know again as kind of a welcome to Frasier something that kind of speaks to Frasier's identity but kind of specific to the bike park so just some different ideas I think ultimately we would want

to put a call out um that Steve brought up to to artist but thought we could just flush through some ideas you guys could give John some feedback on the initial kind of sketch that he provided and then we could go from there if that's something the DDA wanted to move forward. Um, so we'll talk about that. We have John here for that piece and then we're going to circle back to some of the town comprehensive plans again kind of at a higher level just some ideas and thoughts looking further down the road and then we can kind of just touch base on where we're at with our budget. We have not spent most of it um and our work plan and just kind of start to maybe make some decisions moving forward. Um, some of this I think will help inform our budget for next year, which um is closer than I would like it to be. Um, because I think that we're going to be looking at or we will be looking at that as we're wrapping up the summer early fall so that we can work with the town's budget cycle as the board of trustees does need to approve that. So, I think we can kind of hash through some of these ideas in terms of what this year's pot of money as well as beginning to look at kind of next year's pot of money and what we um might be able to present to the board of trustees. It was pretty general this past year and I think we can still keep it fairly general. I think this is continue going to continue to evolve with different opportunities and things like that that present themselves um and as we have smaller pots of money, but can maybe have something a little more concrete that we're at least thinking about when we talk about things like community engagement and district enhancements for next year. So, that's where we're at. Um, and yeah, the last time we talked about this, I did show you guys a sketch that John had provided um that seemed people seem to like, but thought it'd be great to have him here and just kind of talk back and forth and give feedback directly. Great. Thanks for coming, John. Well, you're welcome. Um, thank you for

having me. So, um, a little bit about me for if if people don't know who I am or what I do. So I actually have I've been a sculptural artist um as a photographer before that but I've been a sculptural artist for going on 25 years. Um so that's one side of my life. Uh another side of my life is that I actually also function in a design and fabrication shop studio um as well. Uh I have been involved in public arts projects in one form or another going back oh good lord 20 20 years in Denver at least. Um I did some of the work around the Denver bike path initiatives. I did some stuff with T-Rex back in the day. One of the if it looks like there is a video link on me. Um, if you can see the problem with being my age is that I can say that I did a I it doesn't seem plausible, but then you have to have the the actual the the amount of years that I've been doing these types of things. So then it becomes so um so I I have a couple of functions and one thing I do work with municipalities both via the call processes that go out for bids and things like that competing on public art projects. Uh I also do some consultancy along that as well. The first thing I want to say to to this group and to any of the public that may be listening is you guys have no idea how far ahead you are in Grand County of all the other municipalities around the the things you just stoing us. No, I I mean I I there's a few people who know me in this room and and I don't

I I don't blow smoke very well. Okay. So, um I I have no filter. I have no reason to kiss up to anybody. Perfect. Um and it is it is just really great to see the reinvestment that you guys do with your tax dollars. Okay. So it's it we'll take it. Yeah. I mean it your neighbor down the street you would think has more revenue but there's less that happens. That that's all I can say. Um so that's that. So um I don't know what you guys want to talk about. Um I I am here to go on any of these subjects um from a consultancy back or some of the ideas that we talked about with the landing. I'm really here for you. This is Can we start with what your ideas are behind this sculpture and what it takes to kind of build something like this budget-wise for someone like you versus maybe another artist, you know, outside of town. So, I think one of the things that um and I don't know that um I view this as signage um more than I view this I would say that what I have the sketch up that I have. I took some feedback from Sarah um you know what to put in there. I thought about my own travels um throughout the world that I've done and I I think one of the the advantage or such here is that I do run a fabrication shop myself versus a lot of people when you talk about largecale sculpture and public sculpture. So what I do is considered monumental sculpture.

A lot of the people aren't fabbing it themselves. They aren't building it themselves. So parks, the the point that I'm making is it's a one-stop shop. So I'm I'm actually building it. I'm not there's not a markup, so to speak, to a fabrication shop that's going out. Do I make a profit? You better believe I do. Um, but it's not I mean I will things that are too large for me. I've got partners that I've been working with for 25 years that it might as well be my shop. So I think from a budgetary perspective, I'm usually able to be a little bit more costconscious than others. My philosophy in my own personal art space, it's I use a bridge analogy a lot. You can sell one sculpture a year or one every three years or you can sell 20 or 30 and make a lot more people happy. And I try and keep that price point much more relative. So I look at things like this from a budgetary perspective. First off, what is going to be functional? What is going to be lowmaintenance? and what is going to be liability proof and and I think those are three things that come from my experience um are that don't get thought of a lot. People look at aesthetics more than anything. And then the other thing I do I'm a very generic abstract guy. It's very hard to have political and or why did they spend money on that or what does it do? Right? I don't get into the ethereal concepts on public works. It doesn't work. So from a budgetary perspective, I don't know if that

answers the question, but I really follow the KISS principle. I really try and look at it from a fabrication point of view and then bring in the artistic side of it. And what I would say more, I don't like cities and towns that use the term art. Um, I'd rather look at it from an aesthetic and beautifification perspective. That's how I tend to look at it. So, I like the idea of this piece and um if we're looking at just feedback on it and questions. So thinking about no maintenance, if the symbols, if they were directing people towards ski trails or restrooms or certain things and even the um spaceship on top, cut into the steel so that you don't have to worry about the paint ever peeling or fading, which is something that happens here big time. I have two things for that. So let me explain what the concept and I didn't do an animation on this because I I didn't know where we were and and what we how we were looking at this. So I think we have established that this is not necessarily an art project but it's more of a public works signage thing. Right. There are yeah right okay so the idea here and I'll use my mouse cursor. So the idea is is that these this upper piece are just signs of or and they're all I love the idea of using the international symbols. I think the international symbols one never go out of style. They are they they're kind of funny and and they're simple. We have people getting off the train from all over the world. Exactly. So these act this whole piece up here spins. So that whole piece there is set upon

thrust bearings that would spin with the wind which we get a good amount of. Um but it would not be a super fast rotation. It's steel. Okay. And even if we do switch it over to aluminum um it's not going to spin fast. I if we we can make it out of stainless. This is the thing. this you guys get to say what you like or what you don't like, right? U but the idea is for this to move. So, you know, there's a symbol for mountain bike, there's a symbol for, you know, for a road bike, there's a symbol you can put a fish on there, right? Um you know, there's there's there can be a cowboy hat in there, there could be a horse, there could be whatever that one, you know, people want to put in. Um that moves. Now, it can be powder coated. So, here's the thing. We got a lot of UV, but if you're going to powder coat it, powder coat it a simple color. Powder coat it something that then acts as a base for recoat, respray, you know, we spray whatever, right? That can be that can be red. What does coat mean? What does I don't understand coloring? It's like a color. It is it it is a heatbased dry paint. So all it is is an enamel. All right. But what it is done it has no liquid. So it's electrostatically applied to metal and then it is baked at 400°ree core temperature and it's you've heard like baked enamel. You've heard things like that. It's similar similar to that. It has superior chip abrasion cut resistance. It takes special coatings to have it have more UV. Um, liquid paint can have more UV, but truth is this is at 9,000 ft. It's It's all going to wear.

I mean, I really like the idea of not having a bright color personally just because I think it's more in the town. It's It looks better in this town. Like, if you go places, they're really looking at reclaim materials. They're doing like rust metal siding. You know, I think it has more of like a historical feel versus like this bright yellow or bright orange pole. You know what I do like about this sign, I'll tell you, is that it kind of reminds me of something you might see on one of the Continental Divide trails up there saying Diamond Lake and you know this way is that and this way is that. If it's spinning, which is a cool idea, then it has no real directional value, which I think if we're just labeling that there's skiing, hiking, horseback riding, biking, fishing, then that's fine. If it's pointing to the river with the the fishing symbol and pointing towards St. Louis Creek with the biking then it really does have to be thought about more with where they're being, you know, I just think at a practical level that's really hard. It's too hard. You got you've got trails all over the place, right? You've got fishing opportunities all over the place. So, I think it's more symbolic. I think the um I think it's important to like I I view this as more of like an abstract cool piece of art and then have the wayfinding like placards for businesses, you know, maybe point out like part of the signage separate from this. But like where's like if this were at the train station, I could see people taking pictures with this and then okay, it's spinning around. All right, where do I go? Oh, on that street corner there's brewery bar river. On that street corner there's whatever. or whatever meant to peique your interest, right? And if I could build on that, um, when I saw this, I wasn't here last week, but I saw the the image and, you know, was thinking about John's work in it that I

know well, um, I love it because it's consistent with the brand that we're building for the town. What what I um would hate to see us do is another just oneoff project. Um and what I mean by that is to me this is it should be part of a broader branding strategy which we already have. Correct. And um I look at something like this as one of many other things that are complimementaryary to it. So for example that Nordic skiing symbol we we would replicate that everywhere else in town where there's Nordic skiing, right? um fishing, mountain biking, same thing. So, you build that over time. You have a display at the train station where it's organized using these symbols and people can pick up a brochure of where to go skiing, where to go mountain biking, where to go fishing. And that's and it just builds itself that way. It's the comprehensive message. And forgive me, John, just may finish this thought. um things like our sculpture program through the public arts committee. We then put a call for entry out for sculpture that are consistent with this brand. And so everything the town is doing for the next few years is building the brand that we have committed to and we're getting a strong powerful message. Sorry. No, no, that's that that was the idea behind the international symbols and you know the the whole idea with like like you said there are some really cute ones. I mean I I there are some really funny cute ones, right? But using the international symbols, it's simple. It's easy. And you know, I do agree that when Sarah came to me with like, hey, we have thought for this, she'll tell you that she she originally was looking at this through a um a sculptural lens or having a piece of art there. And you know, my that's not where

with a welcome sign. Yeah. that my thought was, "No, I think you need to look at a kiosk here. I think you need to look at, you know, you either need to do anformational kiosk, right, that has your stuff, like a scanning barcode that you can go up and say, "Okay, where do I get stone? Where do I get a beer? Where do I get this?" You know, but but that that's that's one sign. That's one, I think. Or you have something that when people get off the train, they go, "Well, that's kind of cool." And you know, like you said, you know, maybe they're going to take a picture. Hey, I'm in Frraasier. They're going to stand next to the, you know, you know, to the lettering. So, just to run through this, and this is an idea, right? Yeah. So, there's two ways I work. One, you can pay me a consultancy fee and I can tell you what to do and then you don't have a product, right? The other way I work is hey this is we do this as it's part and parcel of the of the budgeting area right so there was an open question how much does this cost or this type of thing cost right so let me on the Frasier lettering this lettering was something that I could I can't use this font um it's a real generic simple Microsoft style font right but I think it works really well and my thought with that is if parks you were talking about doing a rusted or patina thing. I'm going to say this to anybody in earshot. Do not spend the money on core ten steel. Okay? On what? Core 10. A type of steel called quart. Okay? So it's what everybody in the art world and everybody wants to do. Say, "Hey, this is cool. It's Core 10." Great. C10 never finishes rusting. It runs. It never looks uniform.

Um, regular steel. Thank you. I can take, again, got a lot of experience with it. But I can take it, media blast it, apply different acid washes to it. It's instantly rusted and it's almost done rusting forever. So, you won't get a lot of stainage on concrete. Okay. What's not drawn into this is this needs to have a hunk of concrete underneath it. Okay. Probably two yards. Okay. We do concrete. Town does concrete. I I understand. I'm just covering the bases. So, you know, and I would do a round piece. Scale-wise, it's whatever we make the base. The base has got to be probably 30 in to be physical. There would be some bracing in this, you know, like a light pole. Think light pole, right? There'd be some little triangles around the bottom. Sure. There'd be a base and then there need to be probably 4 foot diameter concrete probably 18, you know, 18 inches, right? What you guys have to decide is if you want this flush or not, right? you know, flush to the ground, a couple inches up because the littlest lip will take people will look at the littlest lip and go, I'm not supposed to go near it, right? I'm not supposed to take my picture. But if it's flush down on the ground and then we make the signage high enough that someone my size or Steve's size or, you know, somebody else can't come up and, you know, give and knock it, give it a whirl, right? We can't prevent what I like to call here in the ski towns the drunken idiot syndrome. We can't prevent that entirely, but we can make it harder for somebody to do that. Um, I would like to see that lettering be done in stainless. Okay, I can join stainless to regular

steel. I can't join aluminum without it being bonded, electrochemically bonded, screwed, you know, fastened, whatever, right? Um, and that way, and I would like you to think about maybe having the leaving planet Earth spaceship, having that top part be stainless, too. And I can do some color renderings of this type of thing and come up. Um, I think the base of that needs to be pretty good and wide. Um, 18 inches or so. And that's really all I've got for it. So just how how much are we branding the the spaceship here in Frraasier? How how committed? Where is it going? How everywhere? Yeah. Is it everywhere? Like in the future? I is that what we're seeing on all signs? has been since I started here two years ago that there are some people looking to grow up and mature and move on, but that there's a lot of people that really like it. And so, correct me if I'm wrong. My impression has been that the official branding is not built around leaving planet Earth, but that is still something very much I mean Sarah still makes stickers every year and we you know put it on swag that we give away that it's not going away that we're kind of in tandem creating a more sophisticated branding but that's still sticking around because the words leaving planet earth to me just means that we're just above all else around us. We're high up. We're elevated. We're high up. It's spectacular. Does that Does that mean that we're like, you know, Area 51 or like you drive through Nevada and you see spaceships everywhere? Like cuz that's personally coming from Frasier, that's the last thing I want to see. I don't want to see.

But that that comes back to exactly my point earlier is, you know, this this needs and and yeah, we we can pick apart what's on each element. Yeah, this needs to be consistent with what marketing strategy is for the town and we just build that in. Right. Right. Cuz leaving planet Earth is a great term, but if it's taken too literal and it's like, you know, we're and and we have spaceships on everything. Is that really even branding anything in Frraasier or this town? I think for the purposes of this sign, I don't I I agree with you. I think for the purposes of this, I don't mind it because it's like, yeah, everything's moving. Here's where everything is. And then like, you know, go down here. It's not the focal point for me on this. I think like the movement and scale will be the impressive piece, not exactly what's on top, but I love the Have you thought about where this would go? Or have you guys thought about Right next to the fire hider. Yeah. So, let me steal your screen share real quick and I can show you. All right. Could you I'm just thinking like the town's going to do. The DDA is not going to fund the placards with what businesses or whatever. That's a town project, right? [Music] Yes. I mean, it's something that the DDA could play a role in in the future, but that is an ongoing We're hoping to have some direction, I believe, kind of by this fall. Um, and then it will be up to the towns, the governing body of the sustainable communities group, that's basically Winter Park, Frasier, and the resort to kind of determine where they want to prioritize and spend money first because I think it would be cool if we had something like this, you know, however many arms it has, and then once you're at and then you have the I call them placards, but like pointing to the businesses and giving more concrete

directions on street corners. But then when you get to that location or bike trail or whatever, have another maybe fixed version of this that's more simplified just for that bike trail, just for that fishing. I think that'd be dope. And if you put a QR code on there that doesn't change over time, then every mountain biker out there who gets to, you know, the Northwest Passage can take that and they go, "Oh, now I know where all the rest of them are." And like we could get something like this going with the QR code on this, you know, in a brass QR code, whatever, like they have for the murals in Denver. And that just takes you to whatever map Sarah's already got created for businesses or like how to get around because people will go straight towards that and we don't have to wait on this. Yep. And that way, no matter where you go in town, you you get this notion that, oh, that QR code takes me to the town's hub of activities and information. Yeah. and it builds on itself. Yeah, that'd be dope. So, if you're looking from the PL train platform, this is kind of what you see. So, the idea was kind of over here. We have to make sure we don't block the fire hydrant and you don't want it to stick into the road either, right? We don't want the plow to take it out. And the chief just said it just has to it can just so you can hook the hoses up. Okay. So, it's it's placed between the two hose outlets. There is this nice little tree that has grown some. Um, which I was like, "Oh, that might not be the most ideal cuz I would hate to ever take out a tree." But, um, that's all right. We got a lot plenty of room. No, no, we got a lot of trees. We got a lot of trees. Yeah, it's probably an aspen volunteer from the And there is part of this is town. Um, it's in the easement right away and then part of this belongs to its property owner. But I think in terms of staying away from the hydrant, you know, we would be out out here. Mhm. So, and speaking to that point, Sarah, so, so

the concrete can go on the ground. It can be level. The footprint of this thing, you know, that for all intents and purposes is 30 in or so in diameter. That's the usable footprint, right? The rest is, you know, the height. What I would ask somebody to take a note to think about is what is the setback ruling for that, right? So, if it's impeding because you don't want you got one or two homeowners there, right? You want to make sure that you're not that that it's that there's, you know, make sure that they're appeased that they're happy, right? You know, putting that in. But again with this this designer with this thing that's there it's I'm an abstract minimalist. That's what this is. This is minimal, right? And and scale can be changed. But I think you're and then take get rid of all that juniper. Yes. Lowmaintenance crushed granite, right? You know, you want people to walk up to it and take photos, right? So you don't want jumping over juniper. And the crushed granite, right? And the crushed granite doesn't do anything with the infrastructure for the fire hydrant in the, you know, the town, you know, public works infrastructure, right? The only thing is you just got to make sure that we have enough weight for the concrete placement and how far down we can go for that, right? Um because the you're not going to have to do an in if if you so if you code this this is more free work. Did you say it was 18 in deep concrete? Sorry. It depends on the engineering system. So if this gets coded as a sign, which it probably would, right? There will be a requirement for an engineering stamp,

right? Or the wind resistance, you know, all the other stuff like that. So that's a couple of grand to put into the budget, right? Engineers, I know I'm a recovering engineer. you do not get out of bed for $2 to $5,000. Um, so that that'll have to be from a signage perspective or a freestanding sign. So, we just have to make sure they'll just going to say that they just need to have so much weight at the bottom for it to anchor to to prevent shear. With it being a rotational thing, that'll take off from that. I'm making it sound worse than it is. It it's just it plan on couple yards of concrete which is it we do this with sculptures all the time. Yeah, it's it's but but the difference Steve is sculpture does not require an engineering stamp. Um a couple of the ones I think that we have installed did. Right. Usually I think our public works team. So that's but if it's signage, one of the differences is with there are a whole new set of codes this last year that are really getting with with signage. Yeah, I can see it being a gray area where you go from Yeah, but we'll talk with our town planner. And this is So I'm I'm I'm throwing up some little things here that I hope you're picking up on my hint. If it's sculptural, that's one thing, right? If it's signage, it's another. So the more you put on it, I wanted a sculpture. If the more you put on it to be wayfinding, the more you can't pass the red face test, saying to the county and to the state that it's a sculpture. Do you do you follow me? It just represents the it just represents wayfinding. That's all in the in different spots. So it's not a real sign, just activity. It's just saying like

Steve said, there's those symbols can be used for wayfinding around the town, but this is not that. It's just represent this is what we have here biking. Exactly. Look at us. Right. But then also if you want people to take pictures in front of it, I think there needs to be if there's no juniper, there's crushed granite, stuff like that, you know, you need to make it inviting and maybe put some sort of like, you know, seating ledge, you know, type deal like like blocks like cube type seating blocks around it so people can sit down, take pictures, you know, whatever. I think it needs to be more inviting than just that can be part of the concrete. The pole next to the It can be steel too, but steel gets warm. But yeah, but something that goes in there something like I think you know like there's some blocks cubes standing around in sculpture that you can and it also kind of tells you know it for like this like in the winter when there's snow like it's like it's it's protecting it as well you know. Does um is anyone concerned that there's no sidewalk? Yeah. On that corner crosswalk, which you know I was looking across this sidewalk but over it's over here. I think this is type of sidewalk that dead ends like because do we does the town have in that easement space or the ability to do a sidewalk behind parking that continues or is there plans for when we had that seed out permit that probably there's no plans for now? Was there plans for sidewalks on side? Is that part of the plan? Uh I think it's just a drainage plan on the side. Yeah, that's a drain pipe. And then the sidewalk's on the right. The sidewalk on the right, dead end at the end of the vet. Mhm. Do we only own the median there or is it

like in between the sidewalk and the median where that dirt patch is? Is that owned by I think that's should we be going this deep into sculpture and all that? Seems to me that that's the next step. The step we should be on is, you know, does it fit the brand? Does it fit what we want to do? We want to spend the money. I would say yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, so the one thing to back up to your point that you just brought up there. So, you addressed with the spaceship, right? Yeah. So, I would like to give you an objective unsolicited opinion upon that. So, I actually went around and talked to a whole bunch of people. Okay. because I'm like, do we really I mean with the with the and and again I'm not blowing smoke here with the new downtown area, right? With the new thing with the building up, right? That do we does anybody who's a now permanent homeowner or second homer even know where that comes from? Right. The do they even understand it? Right. So, my idea with having the and it can be any size, but the idea with me putting the spaceship was to pay pay homage to that, right? To have that be for the oldtime locals or this is cute or what it is. But I thought I tried to think of it like Amazon being a book seller because I'm old enough to remember when Bezos started the whole thing, right? And his thing was, I want it's not related at all. What does it mean? I don't know. His actual idea was it's a jungle out there. That was his actual idea was it was a junk. But if to your point, that was the only reason I had the spaceship on there was it calls puts homage to it. And you know what? It's real easy if we're talking natural steel with no powder coat, no anything else. get up there with a plasma cutter or with a, you

know, a grinding wheel later on and whack that thing off if if it if it goes out and it's not a change in brand. Right. That's why I put the spaceship. When you talk to other people, what did they say? It was really a um again, I'm I'm so candid. I You asked me a question, I'm going to answer it. It was really a dividing line between age. Huh? Age and class. exactly what I've experienced. Bunches are like it's great and so I would say that you know from the older I've been here because my car broke down in 1968, you know, and and and did that, you know, that's what it was. Um, you know, to the more professional people who have either retired here or running their business here or doing taking advantage of the of the industry. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's kind of cute, but I have no idea where the hell it comes from. Okay. But it it really fell right along age and class. Yeah, I think there's an economic um dividing line there as you suggested as well. And that's and that's why I put in there with the just the like the the silly symbol. Yeah. Because it it kind of paid, you know, it this is where it's kind of funky. Keep it because I really agonized on putting it in. Yeah. Well, and we can we can keep working on that. Um, I do want to keep us moving. That said, a couple questions, John. Um, one of my questions and as you're talking about depths of concrete and those sorts of things, um, I'm growing leery of this question, but if this were to be placed and needed to be moved in the future, unbolt it. You just unbolt it and you just have some concrete in the ground. Yeah. Okay. Um because I've wondered about that sidewalk question as well, Greg, in terms of future plans and as this area gets developed. Um I think there also

could potentially be a moreformational kiosk type thing on the other side of the street that would have to fall on Ronnie Anderson's property or current property, but there could be some development there. Um and could I quick question on that one? Is is the reason you want to put it on the fire hydrant side because the other side is privately owned because it is in the Amtrak station and they're going to be more foot traffic there. That's what we had talked about that we would put something over there, but it's owned by Ron and Ron will not we we haven't the space. We don't own Let me rephrase the question. Is it prohibitive because it's privately owned or is it somebody who doesn't want it there? We could approach Ron with that if we decided that was a better location. Um I'm guessing we would have to pay a price to put it over opposed to it though. Ron's the thing I like about it where across the street is it stands alone if you you know you like it in the other you'd have to pull that existing piece that's there that function kind of as shade maybe as a signage. Um so eventually I could see blue again. I mean, that's our first when we first talked about this, we all agreed I believe that that was a better place for this sort of thing, but okay, we're not we're not pulling people over there, you know, like that's not Frasier. We don't own it. Okay. Um, so that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you after meeting. Okay, sounds good. Um, if we did and we can circle, we'll circle back to this when we're talking about district enhancements and just kind of where we want to spend our money. Um, but before we let John go, did you guys want to take a few minutes and look at the bike sculpture or Sure. Sure. Sure. And by while while he's calling that up, um, you know, I the way that that is

evolving, I think it is more in the signage category than it is the public art category. And so, at least from my perspective, the the process that should go through would be, you know, commisserate with a public works type of thing versus the pack. And so, uh, I don't know if you're required to do a, you know, um, competitive bid process for something like that. But I could see that easily fitting there. Easily fitting into the the nonart category. The non art. Okay. We can talk more about that. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I I remember when a certain Graanby sculpture four years ago had me on the phone talking about how he didn't think that it was very public that we put these sculpture programs out there. And so we said, you know what, he's right. Yeah. And so we did. And all of a sudden, we got a lot more representation from people in the community. So same reason. Cool. So I really didn't um so I I put up here um I believe this is a raw CAD drawing so I apologize if it's uh not full big full screen or whatnot. Um, so I had done this, you know, we had some grant cuts, but I had been selected from a call um for uh recreation district on the front range and um I had this design already through. I figured I would just make an oldfashioned cold call and say, "Gee, who's owning this bike park?" Right? You know, what are we what are we doing there? Right? So, which is what I did. Um, you know, I I I understand there was a bit of feedback from like this doesn't

look like a, you know, a uh it looks too road bike or city bike or or whatever. You know, without getting into the weeds, one of the funny things, I've been a cyclist since I was 12. I started racing when I was 12. Um, I when I drew this up, I tried to draw because the the request was for the other place was just for a uh, you know, for a recreation district that had a that had a bike facility. I tried to make this as nondescript as possible. So, the front is actually supposed to be like a suspension bike uh, fork and the, you know, the handlebars are, you know, a flat bar like a mountain bike and then the rear triangle was supposed to be like a full suspension bike, but yet it could also be this. So I this is not set in stone. This was just an idea that I had. So I if you guys are going to have something out there, I just think that it is a great opportunity to either have something there from the road. And again, when I create public art, my number one thing that I think of is how can I not upset people? because we have become so polarized and we have become so tough, right, with with opinions around public art, right? And that's why you'll notice if you look at my stuff that's in collections, you'll notice it's it it's really up for interpretation a lot of times. So, you know, I thought this would be something neat to to have up there. It would work. Um, but there there's tons that we could do or that could be done around this. This is and even if you are to go out and do a call, okay, so I'll speak from the perspective of having done a lot of calls, you know,

regardless of whether you open the call or describe the call or or tell the PE what you want out of the artists, right? If you don't have a picture, a collective picture from your guys's head of what you want, nothing will be successful. So when I presented this, if there is things that you know this is a simple steel base that's stainless steel up top, but if that's too modern, what do you guys want? Yeah. you know, if you want, again, it goes back to that question of is this signage, is this something to peique the interest or is it an art thing? So, the the last thing that I would put up before I take like any questions like what would you like to see different in something like this is the more especially if you're going to have expressionist or impressionist style art. The more you make it a defined idea, the more chance you have for alienating or polarizing the populace. Yeah. So, um, in my professional experience, both as a corporate executive and as an artist, there's no way you can avoid pissing some people off. And I don't care. Um, that's just inevitable. I hear you. It's a proportional thing. Um I I love the idea of a um artistic representation of cycling at our bike park. Um I think this easily could fit into that motif. Um and I think it is entirely consistent with the brand that Sarah's building for

the town. So the idea I love. I think John is, you know, spot on that we we would need to give some, you know, decent guidance as to what it is we'd want. The only thing that I would add is when I see this, I think it's substantial in scale. Um, and I hope that's the case because I think this should be a big old bike bike sculpture that you can't miss. That's 100% what I was hoping for is something big. So, this is drawn. beauty of doing real CAD. Um, so that right there, the way this is drawn, and of course it can be scaled out is is 8 foot from bottom to top. Cool. My personal experience is you don't want to get much more than 10 to 12 foot because then it becomes just it becomes really big. Um the reason the reason I came up with this type of bicycle and making it all out of the same stainless tubing is because it's there but it's not there. And it's hard to convey this with a animation or um you know a thing that that comes up um but it's when you do um what's called the concept of ma not to get all artistically thingy but here I'm waiting for this to load up. Um that's the that's using negative space. Okay. It's it's a Japanese methodology. It's how they do their floral arrangements where you can have four, you know, four flowers and it it looks like it's 120, right? But having that be um stainless and having it,

you see through it. You're still seeing the mountains. It's not out of the way. It doesn't go through. Um Oh, come on. So, the leverage point seems vulnerable. If a drunken idiot were to get up there, yes, which we have, we're known for drunken idiots. I I I understand this. Um, that would be something for us to consider. So, in the long run, so what is not drawn here? So, this is this is steel. And again, steel is cheap comparatively from a long-term perspective. Something like this, this is never going to go away in our lifetimes. Okay? With the shape of the obelos, uh, the bottom, okay, you can't climb it. Yeah, it's up high enough you can't get away from it. Again, this is would be on a small concrete plinth. Okay. About 12 in away from the size of it. Okay. This is slick. It's steel. It gets hot, you know, is is somebody that is really determined going to do it? I'm sure they are. Yeah. But my point back to you was when was the last time that the moose was messed with in the park? the Okay. The one outside the rendevous center. Yeah. Yeah. A while back probably way back. So this weld that would be here, this is the structural element down at the bottom. Yeah. That's going to be a good 6 to 8 in of, you know, multipass welding. Okay. Um it you know could this will be joined here here would it would it bend if somebody got up there and jumped on it? Absolutely. But that's why you create the concrete plenth around um that's why you have the base. And again the base can be changed and shaped. The more angle you make of that the less that it is. So in other words the more you bring it out

the distance. Okay. And we could do some plantings around it to discourage people and you know things like that. Yeah. Or the sign there could be a sign on it saying something that also will help you know like Frasier Bike Park or whatever down there on that. People will not climb all over that probably then. Um do we have any more questions for John? Because we do need to move on. Nick see had anything to say at all. I have one last question for you John. And I know you and I talked a little bit about price ranges, but if we're considering these as part of what to do with our pot of money, um can you give us a range that we're looking at? I know it depends on the exact size and Yeah, it does. And it depends on um you know the the commodities market is in flux right now um now now. So, you know, that that changes around. Um, I feel like I had like eight in my head from when we talked before. Is that No, not for the bike. There's no way. Yeah, the the bike itself would be that. Um, but you you can probably get this done 15 15 to 20 from a design build perspective. What's the my point of view? I think the first sculpture is much more a priority for the DA. It is. Yeah. We can circle back to that conversation. I just want to have the prices when we have that conversation. How about that? But I think this should totally get done. I think it's sweet and we can talk about whether it's the role of the DDA or, you know, maybe the public arts wants to do it, right? Yeah. Town should come in and help with that. And how about the Amtrak sculpture? So, on the Amtrak thingy, um,

ballpark, you know, I think you're under 15. I I think you're under 15. Huh, that'd be amazing. Um, I I think but but that depends on how we look to make it, right? So, um, what I would if if there is interest, um, I am more than willing to do because the challenge with this one and it's it's not screen sharing. So, how do I get over here? I'm a I'm a WebEx guy. I don't click on share WebEx. That's still it is a big thing. It depends on who you're working with. So it depends on everything and then I have teams. Yeah, it really depends on whether you know I do I use teams more than I do anything else. Yeah, but Teams and I are currently having an argument with licensing. Um Oh boy. So So So there's that green share in the middle at the bottom of your screen. It should be screening everyone now. Um so this has to there has to be a bearing trunion system inside here. I have to do math, which I haven't done yet to come up with the, you know, the construction. But again, I I don't want to see think I don't want you guys to think that everything I sell is is around 20 grand, right? But I I think you're in the, you know, an overall budget, you know, of of 20 to 25 depending on concrete, everything else. I mean, these things unfortunately cost a lot of Now, here's the cool thing. If you guys really want, I can probably, if we are flexible with some of the dimensions, we can use some reclaimed steel, actual reclaimed steel on this, right? We're not paying for new. We're not paying, you know, we're not buying 30 foot sticks of steel to to make the tubing right at the bottom. That will substantially lower the cost, but the the cost is in the labor of the design,

the build, and in that area. But I think that this could this could easily get done. I think this can get done to for 15 15 all-incclusive or your part my bringing it in putting it down. You've got a few grand for concrete and you got a few grand for permitting I think is is what you're looking at if you're asking me from my my personal experience and Sarah you should you and Ariel should know that the um town has funded other sculptures in the community in recent years in that same price range. Okay. So there's there's pathways beyond just the DDA. What's our budget this year of money to spend? We're That's not coming up on our agenda, but we have about 40,000 total district enhancements. I think we put in 20,000, which I would put this into. Yeah. Um, and for the most part, we haven't spent that. So, because I think it'd be cool to get like a bid for this with five or 10 locations where we could do fixed versions of the spindles and just fund that. And yeah, that'd be we do something quickly. People would love it. I think people would love it. It would be it would dude that would be way cool. Yeah. And maybe something maybe maybe off the bottom fixed ones that just show Highway 40. Yeah. You know, restrooms basically. So many people get off that train and they I think there's a need for that, but but not on that. Yeah. Okay. I think there's a but I think we have to have that that stuff too. And again, we'll have that wayfinding um report. I know they presented kind of the preliminary to the governance body. I'm I'm hoping to have the chamber come and present that to this group once they feel like they The one thing real quick on that. So, if you just want to look at this with the hiker, right? This this thing, this guy here, if we're talking just straight fabrication work, right? That's a couple hundred bucks. Yeah,

you know, per right. It it, you know, cuz it's it's going to get, you know, it depends on what we're looking at. If it's if it's me, I'm probably going to water jet that because I'm going to I'm going to want it to be nice and clean and and really simple, right? So, that makes it a little bit more expensive. But, you know, water jetting those out on on you're probably looking at a couple hundred bucks per depending on size, right? But and with no finish and no paint, no anything else, no no maintenance. That's, you know, and then that can be welded to whatever you decide to do later from a different type of signage or just don't buy aluminum signpost. No aluminum. Got it. And I think there's considerations if you want that more kind of sophisticated steel or rust look or if we want more of a pop of color that maybe is more visible from the train. I think that's coming through town. Pops of color is for this type of size probably add another 200 bucks or just I know stainless is a lot harder to work with, isn't it? No, it's not good. So what about stainless? Because doesn't bust. What's that? It's it's it's shiny. You don't see it's like a mirror. You don't see it because it's bright. It's reflective. It causes glare. That what you see is the negative space of the of whatever the signage that is there. Okay. So, you want to do color or you want to do natural. Huh. And I say color because I think things if you look at the sculptures that we currently have in town, the ones that are very natural colored, you don't see them very well, but the ones with color do pop and they catch your eye. Welcome to my world. Makes a very big difference there. Talking about you want that visibility. I don't know that the whole thing needs to be colored, but it I feel like it needs some pops of color to really catch your attention. The only place that my the rusted metal

sculpture that I do really moves is in New Mexico, Arizona, you know, Palm Springs that Yeah. You do a lot in Santa Fe, don't you? Yeah. And that weathers well. Yeah. It's it's Yeah. But so that's a quick you know to answer a question. So that that adds complex this this if you're asking my I think you I think it being orange would be fantastic. Right. I think being natural steel be fant. It just depends on what you guys want for the the aesthetic of the going through and what the master plan looks like. Right. Right. And if you look at the ones around like the Lion's Ponds area I quite like them but they very much blend into the natural environment. Um whereas I feel like here having a pop so it catches people's eye would make sense but and they can definitely what I would add to you Sarah is is if you're on foot or on you know on a bicycle you're going to see rusted metal because if you're close or whatever if you're wanting something to be seen from a distance I hate saying this in a recorded session. Steve's right. Um it's going to blend into the background. You're never going to see it. Right. Right. But if you're talking about like what's right in front of you, rusted, you know, the patina is what we call it in the fancy world, the the patina look is what's it'll be fine. If you want it to be visible from afar, put color on it. Yeah. I mean, you just have to take into account that, you know, people in Greg's building over there, their windows face that direction. It just depends on what you want, you know, cuz it's if it's for the people on Amtrak, they're getting off and they're standing there. They're going to see a 15 foot tall statue, you know, but do you want to see it from a mile away? I don't know. That's up to you guys. Yeah. I don't know that he would. No. Okay, cool. We got time. Cool. Yeah, let's move on. John, thanks so much for coming. Yeah. Thanks, John. We'll start at you,

brother. Thank you. As an artist, I know that there's an investment in time and creativity and coming up with these. So, thank you for that. I I think the difference is I run a business. Yeah. Um, this is not I mean my I wish I could do this type of thing. This is sales. It just being candid, right? And and I know we're recorded and all that, but if you don't invest in communication and dialogue, then there's it's never good. And and that's what this is. Now, if it were just me doing a call, yeah, you get my submission and it's out of here, right? But but no, I live here and I want I want as much I want you guys to continue to be the lead. I think it is just great. I want you to bleed over into Graanby and I want you to bleed over into Winter Park. Cool. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks, John. Thanks. Cool. So, next we have our town comprehensive plan and downtown development, continued destruction, um comp plan, followup, Elk Creek trail possibilities, storm water, etc. Great. So, I asked Garrett to join us um after Cushing Terrell presented the comp plan last time around. Um and we can just talk about a couple highle things and then some of the feedback and ideas that you all had suggested. Um I know Perks had talked a bit about um gosh now is it Elk Creek? Is that the one that El Oh, El Creek. Okay. um and and some possibilities along that moving forward in the future. Um and then also just wanted to kind of revisit this downtown conceptual um in terms of where you guys might want to focus efforts in the future and just kind of getting some feedback.

Yeah, thanks Sarah. So Garrett Scott, town planner. Um, recognizing that a lot of the folks here in the room weren't at June's DDA meeting, I did just kind of want to briefly go over the presentation that our consultant Koshin Terrell uh gave on a couple elements uh in the comprehensive plan specifically related to the downtown area. So, just starting with this, this is our downtown vision plan. Uh, focuses on the Clayton Court area really in between Highway 40 and the Frasier River. Um, one thing that I wanted to emphasize though, if I can uh fly around and show a different map, um, that vision plan that we were looking at really just encompasses this kind of darker uh, shape here. Uh, whereas the entire DDA boundary covers this area in orange. So really, I think from staff's perspective, when we're talking about downtown in terms of our comp plan and various goals, strategies, and actions, what we're really talking about is this entire orange area, not just the kind of focus area of Clayton Court. So with that in mind, some of the discussion that was had in June around some of those uh goals uh strategies and actions um that I wanted to just quickly follow up on. I believe parks brought up uh a connection uh a trail connection on Elk Creek uh through the DDA area connecting over to the uh Frasier Valley Murdoch's Shopping Center. Um that is something that will absolutely be incorporated as a recommendation in the comp plan. Um it is something that we could require based on our current town code with regards to trails. Um really though the only privately held property that is likely

to develop along uh that Elk Creek area is the Meer lot one parcel which is outside of the DDA boundary. Um, but certainly the town could take the initiative to establish a trail along Elk Creek within the DDA boundary. Are there any comments, questions, thoughts on that? Does the town code um require uh the developer to then finish the trail in that plot? Yes. And I think any development application on that property, the town would require a trail along Elk Creek. So, this is a section of the code that uh would enforce that. Uh the text may be a little bit small, but um one of the things I want to point out under this location requirements, trails parallel to water courses is specifically called out. So, certainly Elk Creek would fall under that. Um and and we would, you know, require that trails be constructed by the applicant and uh have a a trail easement over them so that there's public access. So Okay. Yeah. For parks parcel. Yes. And then the town he owns the one to the north that kind of follows that as well, right? Yeah. So looking at the other parcels on the north side in between Elk Creek Drive and Highway 40, there's this small piece here which is owned by the town. Yeah. Creek piece. Yeah. Yeah. This larger parcel here is actually owned by the Frasier Valley Center. Oh, okay. Which owns Murdoch's. So the town would likely look to partner with them to construct a trail through there. Um, and did Clark have a trail on his application for Meer Lot? Um, I don't believe so. And at that at this point, it's simply a sketch plan um that we've

received for this property. Um, so still subject to change. It's just in the highle feedback and evaluation stage, not any approval stage at this point, right? And I think, you know, logistically speaking, it would be great to kind of come at the have it, you know, like where the bank is is kind of where it would cross and meet up to the Frasier Trail. So, it's kind of like a loop through there and back. So, it's like a a you know, kind of beautifification type thing. And then also people could walk not along the highway and kind of get that nature walk type vibe but still get places quickly. Yeah, absolutely. So a couple points on that. As Sarah mentioned earlier in the meeting, you know, COT is finalizing their design for the Highway 40 expansion. One of the things that the town is advocating for with the uh overpass of Elk Creek is when that gets reconstructed as part of that expansion, having enough clearance so that a trail could go underneath Highway 40, right following Elk Creek. Absolutely. Yeah. So that way you have a a great separated crossing of Highway 40 that connects to the Frasier River Trail and provides just better connectivity between um some of the areas to the south. uh to to the north. Uh yeah. And it's also that way then feeding into kind of where the visitors center is now, right? Is that what we're calling it? The little park there. Trails alliance. Yeah. And the trails alliance and then into Clayton Court. So it's connecting the downtown of Clayton Court to the downtown to the other side of our downtown district and it's it's seamless. Yeah. Absolutely. Cool. Um,

I think it would be really pretty as well. Yeah. One other thing that I wanted to mention with regards to the Murdoch and Safeway centers, uh, we have added some language uh, into the downtown recommendations and I'll zoom in on it here. Um, kind of that gray highlight there. Recognizing that these, you know, shopping centers are within the DDA area and they are several decades old. In the case of the Murdoch Center, it was built in the mid80s. Um, and thinking about it's already 40 years old. The life of the DDA is 30 years plus potential extensions. Um, these are areas that could redevelop in the life of the DDA. Certainly given given the age of these shopping centers and kind of the the style of development that they're built in, more autocentric, really kind of a suburban type of commercial development and in in more urban contexts throughout the country. These types of developments uh are redeveloping with more infill, more urban style development. And I think that's something that we certainly would like to encourage for these areas when it's appropriate. thinking about this long lifespan of the DDA. So, um, when that happens, certainly we want those areas to be even more integrated into the broader downtown Clayton Court area than kind of what you just mentioned, parks with the things like trail connections and and, you know, non-motorized connectivity. Certainly, and so these sort of trails will then promote that kind of um movement. Right. Certainly. And then also I think it promotes parking in one area and walking and it's more um I think acceptable to the uh tourist that's coming or the

local that is getting coffee over on this side of town and wants to walk to that side of town. I think it feels less of a walk that way when you're on the highway. It's like, well, I'll just get in my car and drive. And we want to promote parking and leaving your car somewhere, right? Being more so on foot and really experiencing this town and what we offer. Totally. And I think in that regard, looking at and encouraging more shared parking models. Um cuz kind of traditional parking, you park at Murdoch if you're shopping at Murdoch or getting your coffee, something in that center, and you're technically not supposed to be leaving your car there, right? that spaces for their next customer. Um, but then you miss out on spending time elsewhere in downtown because I think you're right. Most people then just get in their car and leave. Um, rather have that walkability and promote people like hanging out spending a couple hours, right? And that's like other towns like if I brought up Steamboat before, Estus, if you go to Steamboat, you park in front of a coffee shop, you leave your car there and you walk all throughout Steamboats downtown. um even if you get on that back trail by the river and kind of go around versus being on the highway, you really leave your car wherever it is, no matter what business it's in front of. Also, in Estus, you do the exact same thing. So, we're really one of those unique towns that's working on our parking here and the idea being shared. We do have that thing in our heads that says, "If you park in front of my business, you better be buying something." And it's like, well, really, someone this way, someone could be parking over by, you know, Birdie Lounge, but still shopping in Murdoch's. It's not uncommon in other towns to see people walking with their bags, you know, half a mile. Perhaps there's a role for the DDA there

in the future cuz, you know, part of it is the Murdoch's folk, we keep calling the Murdoch folks, the Fraser Valley Center. Is that what it is? you know, they pay to maintain that parking lot and um they're within their rights to kind of do that. But I think there's a lot of benefits to a different model where you park once, spend your time in town, and then leave. Well, and if it's showing that they're having the same amount of business and nothing's being hurt, then I don't think that anyone's going to be object to that. Yeah. I'm sure there was this type of conversation in Steamboat at one point, too. Yep. or Estus because those shops are right next to each other and half of them are the same stuff. It's like taffy shop, ice cream, taffy, ice queen. So, no shortage of taffy. How they survive, right? Sugar is how we survive. Yeah, totally. Anything else, Garrett, that you wanted to highlight or? Um, I guess a couple things just uh this presentation is in the meeting packet from June. Uh, it has the, you know, kind of downtown vision statement and then various goals, strategies, and actions related to downtown. Um, if if anyone here wants to look at them in more detail and talk through them, we can certainly do that. Um I will note that these uh all this text along with kind of the other comp plan focus areas uh you know items specific to land use to transportation to uh open space arts and culture etc. Uh those will be shared with the public in a draft stage uh at the end of this month. We're having an open house on July 30th. So that will be, you know, the public's opportunity as well to review some of these uh vision and goal statements and provide

feedback before they're finalized. But um certainly as the DDA board, we want your input on um you know the downtown component and really all all components of the comprehensive plans. And please do encourage um other businesses, friends, residents to attend those sessions if they're able. Um there will also be a picnic in the park um on the 29th. Uh correct? Yeah. Um just kind of getting feedback from the public on the different visions that are presented in the comprehensive plan at this stage and then that open house on the 30th. Is that at the rec center again? Yes, it'll be at the rec center from 4 to 7 p.m. So we'll have some uh you know advertising going out within the next week to advertise that more broadly. And I can send these dates out in an email as well, but please do share and just encourage people to participate. The more people we get participating, um, just the higher, you know, the higher the community engagement is and the better informed the plan is to represent everybody. When we walked through Mural Park last um last meeting, we kind of discussed some functional sculptures there like instruments and then also just wood chips and what's more inviting and you guys have put up shade sales there. Yeah. So that um I wanted to touch on as part of this kind of district enhancement. Um okay, Garrett, would you mind pulling that sketch back up? Sure. Actually, I don't know how well Mural Park is shown on that. Maybe it'd be better if I pull up Google Maps. It's okay. Um, as far as the concept plan, um, Mural Park is down where my cursor is, kind of center side of the screen. So, currently the concept plan is kind of silent on the future of Mural Park, I

would argue, but does in broadly envision it remaining as open space. And I I know there are questions on well what does this enhanced open space look like? Yeah. So Mural Park um I was really excited to have the DEA try to activate Mural Park. Um and it had some very uh surface level quick conversations with town staff about this. Um the direction I have since received is that Mural Park just kind of still hangs in the balance. Mural Park um was not meant to be a permanent park. It was a property a lot that the town owned and it seemed to make sense if we were not developing it or doing something with it immediately to make use of it in the short term. Um so it became Mural Park. Sarah Wick had written a grant and gotten some money to do what was done with it to put down the concrete. There's a nice um statue there to try to initially they were holding the the farmers markets which became the artisan bazaars. Um I I would like to know if the DDA would like to try to pursue this. Ultimately if we do I think it's a conversation that we need to have more in depth with the board of trustees in terms of getting their approval. Um, as has happened, there was an attempted land swap because it had been a public park. It had to go to the voters um, in order to do that. So, that's when we were working with um, out west trying to swap the land they had on the river next to the art center with that plot of land to provide more green space and more space for the art center, outdoor amphitheater along the river. Um, so that was a ballot measure. it did narrowly fail for better or for worse. Um, and so with plans moving forward, whether or not that

remains a park or whether or not there's some other opportunities for potential land swaps or development, if you look at this current sketch, okay, that's not a touch screen. um that whole plaza area if that were be to be developed and granted this is a vision. It may or may not happen. There's private property that is in the middle of that plaza stretch. I believe right now it passes through Denver Health. Um there could be opportunities to be swapping other properties that the town owns for some of those properties. Um the town did recently buy the little cabin like structure that's next to the log cabin um in between the EMS building that EMS is trying to relocate. So that that whole block could potentially be a development at some point. You know, maybe Denver Health would want to move into there and then we could do this plaza area. Um so that kind of just raises that question of Mural Park's future. Um there's some concern that if we continue to develop it with amenities, it makes it difficult to then swap out that land because then it is a park. Um but if we're not swapping it out, then I think it would be nice to enhance it and have it be a more activated park. So if it's three to five, how how far out are we from a land swap? Is that next year? Is it 5 years away? Do we have any idea? I I would not say it's next year because if it wasn't next year and it was multiple years, we could still put things there that are movable to the next location. I agree. Instruments are able to be unbolted. Sculptures can be unbolted. Also, if you had something like turf involved in there, you can move it. Yeah. I think it's more the idea that if the public becomes attached to it as a park, it makes it difficult for the town to move it. So, it's a conversation voters. Okay, I see because I agree with you. I always had

the same thought like, well, if we do things like musical instruments that maybe they're moved to Clayton Court or somewhere else, then it's not a loss. Um, so I think it's just a conversation that we need to have with the trustees and get their approval before we do anything permanent. when we started talking about kind of activation of Mural Park, the idea that I had presented to their rec district was if they wanted to partner on more kind of popup temporary things. Um, and unfortunately it took a while for them to come back and they weren't able to make that first EDA meeting and now we're in the middle of summer. And what they had suggested was more yes, you can move them, but semi-permanent structures. is the legal opinion that you could call it the mural parking lot and then trade it. Yeah, that's what you should do. So, you can't backtrack. Yeah. The other possibility that I'll throw out there is um a real possibility is the board of trustees is looking at the process of going home rule and I think it's fairly likely that the board will move in that direction. I think we've landed on we're kind of maxed out in terms of staff capacity to do that for this upcoming election in November and we may be looking at the following year. But if we were to move to home rule, then we're not necessarily tied to taking that to the voters depending on that home charter. So there's some things that could be happening. I would say not next year, probably not the following year, but maybe within five years. Don't quote me on that. Um, so I'm not against activating it. I just I think we've maybe missed the vote for this summer in terms of those sorts of things. But if that's something the DDA wants to focus on, um, I think that's a conversation we want to have with the board of trustees as we're shaping this year's budget and if they're on board with that, I think that'd be a great project to look at. Maybe taking the time to really plan out, do we want turf? Do we want grass? What does that

look like? Do we want those musical instruments? and having that kind of well planned and in the budget and ready to go next spring so when the snow melts we can make that all happen. And there are sun shades right sun shades there that kind of activate it and catch people's eye. Well the thing is is that it it's like at a 25% activation and you know so it doesn't look great because we're sitting here going maybe come over here maybe don't. And then at the same time we're going, well maybe we'll do a farmers market. If you put a farmers market in there for 5 years, you think people are going to be attached to that little park. They're going to be attached at farmers market 10 times tenfold that because they're actually getting something every every week from that. It's like, oh, I'm going to go get my palisade peaches from there or whatever. And at this point, you have palisade peaches up on the dirt parking lot next to the liquor store and that's where they're doing that. So either give them a place or don't. And I feel like, you know, that's a great place to bring people downtown or just make the land swap and start right away and say we're not don't go over there, you know, and I'm guessing Palisade Beaches likes being on the highway. Um cuz that's where they get a lot of their traffic. But no, your point's well taken. I totally agree. Right now it's just in this limbo, so it's a park but not a great park. If it were to go back to a swap though, does the DDA have the same limitation the town had on promoting the swap? because I know that was a big issue when that happened was the opposing sides one was getting out more and talking about it than the pro side and like honestly we have a good idea let's just support it ahead of time because we just didn't I think a lot of lessons learned didn't know I don't think I don't think anyone's I don't think there's a critical mass attached to that park I think if there's a good idea people will get behind it and I also um Antuinette um Not to be argumentative, but when did we go to the public to ask them to make that a partner? We just did it.

So, the swap was after that. Yeah, it's and the statutes basically state that because we called it a park basically made it a park and that's why it had to go. And is it even specific to park or just a public use? There's I don't remember the exact statute language. I have the conversation. I was like, are we sure that they have to go to the voters? But that's what the attorney said, so that's what we did. But that what I mean calling it a park was something that happened before the landslap ballot. But that's why it had to go to the ballot because it had been used as a park. It's it's like an eminent domain. Not that's wrong comparison, but once we call it that, it becomes that. Got it. Thank you. Or if you use it as that officially, it is still never been named. I think in the example of the plaza. Hey, if we trade this wood chip parking lot for this lot, we get this beautiful plaza. I think it was contentious because that was going to build it into town homes with parking. Yeah. And so that was easy to get behind as No. It's like, all right, well, this is going to actually be a built activated space. Would have to go to the citizen. There's a lot more public benefit in that plaza concept that wouldn't face a lot of push back in that. Got it. So, you're saying it would be better as not like a land swap. I I don't think the public would push back on a land swap if it meant achieving that plaza. Whereas before it was like maybe open space, maybe amphitheater, not super clearly communicated for what it would be for the art center. And I think like if it was a goal of the town or of ours to make something happen with swapping that, we could communicate it. Not to go back to your question. I don't think I don't think losing the swap last time not like I don't think

that truly represents people's opinion of no what the town could do with because they didn't know what we were swapping for. They had no idea. So if it's the central issue there was parking, right? So, so if you had a sketch, you're like, "We're swapping to get this." And it's like a visual. They're going to be way more behind that versus like, "Yeah, we want to swap for that piece of land that we have no idea what we're going to do with." Could I just ask one other question of this? Yep. Would it be in that s in that scenario, can the DDA take a position on that? Yes. So, that would help we would be able as a DBA to say, "We favor this change." Yeah, I would go back and reread everything carefully to make sure I was giving you appropriate direction, but my understanding is yes, you could. I think there were a lot of lessons learned. I think just with the timing, it ended up being really rushed. Yeah. Yeah. The developer took flak that the town had asked the developer to do it, but the town was very much like, "We need to be neutral. We need to be neutral. We need to be neutral." And we learned some lessons that we applied when we took the DDA to the voters honestly in terms of being able to have promotion beforehand and being able to just present positives and negatives but to give out information cuz I I agree I don't think most voters knew what they were voting for and there was some strong voices that wanted the park. There was parking there that was available um and wanted that parking. So, um, that is all to say I think you're right. I think if we can package it nicely and if we're getting something for the plaza, I'm not saying that exactly that is what would happen, but that's one possibility that we could craft that story and that information and go about it better than what happened last time. I think the other thing is too if it's then developed, they're worried about blocking views and stuff like that, right? because right now it's just leaving it open. Yeah,

I think I mean you have to have something of value like that Denver Health site. You're going to have to have a developable expensive, you know, potentially valuable lot to go trade with. So, I think that mural park lot is that that the town currently owns. The one over by the railroad is somewhat there, too. I would say the house, but yeah. Well, why don't we go ahead? I'm going to pull up our budget if that works for everybody and we can kind of talk about where we're at and so we didn't have anything on storm water because we don't have our expert here right now, right? Yes. Since Tiffany's not here, would you guys like to talk about storm water? No. No. Okay. Tiffany did had some feedback on she's continued to push for which I think would be great more green infrastructure around storm water. Um, as I told Tiffany just in our conversation after the last meeting, Clayton Court and like St. Louis, I mean, they are pretty both in terms of what's in the streets um, and just development are pretty dense. And so, even though this the green infrastructure doesn't take up that much space, there's still just Clayton Court. We are trying to fit a lot in um, and working with property owners to get more easement as it is. Um, so I think it was more difficult to make that happen, but looking forward elsewhere in town, I think it makes a lot of sense to look at more green storm water design infrastructure. Yeah, she should be tied into the Clayton Court stuff because there's no storm infrastructure. It's all surface drain and we're going to hit that with phase three of the check site because that'll be over half acre. I don't know what we're going to do there. But yeah, I mean, if you could make it work there, I don't know if that's a viable I'll have to Yeah. for another time. Yeah. Again, we need Tiffany here for that for

all of this. Um, forget Garrett. Yeah. So, let's go ahead and take a look at our budget and then we can circle back to both the sculpture conversation and the mural park in terms of what the DDA would like to kind of focus on. Um, so in terms of our draft budget, this is the one that we revised when we found out we were getting less money than we thought we had last year. Um, but we were expecting to get about 36,900 in tax revenue and then we had 6400 about that was rolling over from the seed money that we got from the board of trustees from the previous year. So that left us or gave us um a planned budget of about 43,000. We have received uh 32,571 thus far in tax revenues. Um that is actually a total amount that we've gotten of about 34,000, but then they've taken a treasures fee. I do plan to circle back with Grand County and just kind of verify how they're calculating their treasures fee. It is common that they take a treasures fee. This seems to be about 5%. Troy said he's typically seeing about 1.5% for DDAs. They take a treasures fee from like the town property tax as well, but it doesn't seem to be quite as high percentage-wise. That said, I know the DDA has been a good amount of work for them to kind of parse that out. Um, but I just want to get some clarification because they had not originally presented how they were calculating that. So, I'll work on that and bring that back to folks. Um, but I want to focus more on it's the front door endures.

Um, so thus far we've spent $370 on lodging. That was for the DCI in the game conference. Um, our attendance at that was free cuz we had a VIP membership. Um, and only one person went, which was myself. Um, professional services. Um, this is largely or has entirely been for Troy, largely with that financial investment policy and then just continuing to work through the county assessor um, and their calculations, making sure that they were in line with what we thought we should be getting for the DDA. Um, we talked about possibly sponsoring one of the um, selfie stands that Sarah Wick had ordered. Um, and those were actually done by John. Um, those are about $1,000 a pop. It looks like the locations that they are currently looking at, they still haven't been installed, um, are not in the downtown downtown area. There is one that they're looking at in the Lion's Ponds which would fall within the district if we want to put the DDA's name on that one. We could do that. Um I know there was some interest in putting one by the train station. Um Sarah and Joe McDonald went out and looked at different locations and didn't think there was a suitable spot. They do have to like attach them with concrete. So I think that's something we could see how these ones go and if we want any more in the future of maybe looking at actually having them in the downtown area. But right now they are planned to kind of be at the Lion's Ponds. Um gosh, I just talked to Sarah about where the other two were and I can't remember. It would seem if we could ever get something in front of Safeway that I mean it's the highest traffic foot traffic place in the entire town. Yeah. Well, and these are just they're they're wood. You can look at them in Sarah's office on the way out, but um yeah, finding a a scenic ground where

people I felt for years we could take one of the mural um festival murals, put it there, put a Frraasier logo over it, you'd get a zillion selfies out of that and it's covered. So, Yep. Um, and then our Simple Coffee DDA event back in February was a whopping $67. Um, and then we do have our event coming up uh, August when is that? August 4th. No, this is the DDA trash pickup. um followed by uh when this can be a topic of discussion if we want to do a beer to any or beverage for anybody that shows up or if we make them pick up trash to get their beverage. But we finalized at our last DDA meeting that we would do August 4th from 4:00 to 5:00, anyone that wants to come help pick up trash with the DDA. It'll be right after Mural Fest weekend and before Revel in the Park. So, it seemed like since we missed our spring trash pickup, although Katie Souls organized her own, thank you Katie. You're welcome. Um, that this might just kind of be a good time to do it kind of late summer between those two different downtown events. Um, and on that you're still focusing around the Safeway Center. I think we decided with Mural Fest to do it around where the traffic for Mural Fest would be. So, in this downtown area. Okay. Downtown's pretty damn clean, I'm here to tell you. Well, we were wondering if after everybody was moving through with the murals though got that with the idea. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. And then I think we it would make sense to look at Safeway next time around and then we could do Safeway followed by Vicious, but this time doing downtown followed by Fraser River Beer Company from 5 to 6. Um,

but that is all to say we have spent not a crazy amount of money. In terms of what is budgeted, we did have 20,000 for district enhancements. Um, so if we wanted to look at the I don't know what to call it now. Um, kinetic sculpture. Yeah. So what does it take? So we we do need to put out something to local artists. Is that correct? Well, so my understanding. Um, and this comes from the public arts committee stuff. Um, there there's sort of a regulation requirement to not just be contracting with people for substantial sums of money without letting the public know that they so they can have an opportunity to stick their hand up and ask it to work. So whether that's public works thing or contracting thing or public so how long is that going to take? I guess that's a big question. So I I I think in a search, you know, there there's a variety of ways for an artistic event to be done. You could do it through a thing called cafe, which is an application online where you put it out to a community of artists and that can take a few months to run its whole course because then it gives artists like John or anybody else a chance to um come up with a conceptual design, submit it, u etc. I don't think that's necessary, frankly. Um, particularly for the the the sign version to me that and even the um bike park sculptural thing, the town has an extensive mailing list. Um, we have a number of partners like Frasier Valley Arts who could then um uh leverage or or pile on that list. And if the town were to make a concerted effort to say, "We have an opportunity. Here's the opportunity. Here's how you bid." Um, I would think you guys run your

town, not me, but I would think that that would meet the test of being public about the opportunity and be quicker and cheaper. Yeah, I would say I don't know that we'd have to even do that. I think we could just contract with John. Really? I I mean, we're able to Oh, as a DVA like, hey, that's the because we're DVA and not the town. We designed it. That's what we want. I mean, just from like a I wouldn't think tax dollar. I would just say putting it out and allowing people to participate in the process creates more transparency and I think that's always a good thing for I think a two month, three month process seems like that's not necessary. Yeah. And I do feel like transparency here is the key to keeping the DDA likable. Yeah. But at the same time, I feel like it's probably going to come down to John doing it anyways. Yeah. You know, just because it is a big project. A lot of artists can go build a 10-ft sculpture out of steel. That's right. So, and and I mean, if it comes from out of town, you have to get it here. Transportation is big. He's already John's from out of town. Dunker, but still. No, he's from Graanby. Oh, his shop is he's a local. Oh, he lives here full time. We went through the formal cafe process. That would take months, but we could also just locally email local artists and invite that participation and do it on but I would suggest and again I'm not your lawyer. Yeah. And and this is not what I would do if it were just my own business, but I'm trying to, you know, uh accommodate what I've been told through the last three or four years. I would use the town's mailing list, not not the formal art thing, right? And I would say, we have two opportunities. One is around signage, one is around uh the bike park. We're open to submissions here. Here's the the details much like John said,

here's, you know, some requirements for each of those sculptures. Here's um the way you can submit your interest. We're looking for conceptual designs and expressions of interest by the following date and then then you go forward and then what happens is we pick someone to partner with and then you go deep with that person. Yeah. Do you feel like doing that without like for the bike part? I think we're in my mind we should do the wayfinding sign thing. The bike park I don't know if that should be a DDA priority. Do you think there's an issue putting out that without a confirmed funding source? I think I would like to just focus on the Amtrak signage first as a thing just like if we're going to put it out like I think Park you know neighbor entity whoever does at the town should do that one. Yeah I I I would agree with you and and that's where I think there's an opportunity to partner with the public arts committee budget. Yeah. Um because we have sculpture budget. Yeah. Also, if you think about it, in the past, like when Sarah tried to get the snow sculpture funded, that was $50,000. Okay? So, when you put out a budget of 10 to $20,000 for a steel sculpture, you are going to have very few entries on that. So, just the fact that he's willing to do that is it's going to give him a good advantage. Anyways, I mean, I hear you. We did a call for entries for sculptures three years ago and had 75 entries. That's pretty good. What was the budget? Um, as little as $1,000. John did one of those on a loan program and as much as uh 10 to 12,000 for a permanent structure. Several of which you see in the um park near where the bike thing. And this would have height, you know, um guidances and things like that like, hey, we need it to be 12t tall so that people don't hang on it.

Yeah. Or or minimum size. Yeah. Minimum size. Yeah. So, if we're going to expedite this, I'm going to really because I feel like if we want to spend these dollars this year and get it committed, then we need to make this process happen now. J1, that's right away. And I would say if the DDA if we want our focus to be this train station hoopla um that we will I will work on doing the due diligence just to make sure based on kind of the measurements and stuff he threw out and thinking about future things like potential sidewalks that this does seem to be an appropriate location. We I can work with um get some input from Sarah Wick and Steve on putting out a call through the email to local artists and you have and we can try to do it I think by the fall. Um who's going to come up with the specifications though? Well, we don't need the specs right now, do we? You need a guidance spec if you're going to put out a call. Yeah. Yes. And I think I can work with Steve if you're willing to provide a little bit of guidance there based on just what we've done before and some of the information that John gave us. Yeah. Okay. Does that sound good? Okay, that'd be great. So, it sounds like this is what we would like to move forward with for this year's budget. Do we want to put a So, we have 20,000 in the district enhancements. Um 15. Should we put it? Sounds like he he was saying he thought he could do that for 15 or under, but then it might be up to 20 once you add in the concrete and the platform. And do we want to say 10 to 15 for the artist to figure their part out because concrete's going to mostly be us anyways? I don't know. I'd like to commit 20,000 to That's half your budget. Enhanced signage at Amtrak. Whatever it takes. Maybe start it out with that sculpture. Keep in mind you can as long as some of

the work is done in the next fiscal year, you can split the payments and yeah, you know, manage your budget that way. All right. Yeah. Okay. 20,000 total budget. I think it would be appropriate in this communication to site a range. Yeah. And you know, no artist who's doing this sort of thing expects a um a precise figure absent a design. Yeah. So, you know, there's there's work to be done. If we if we put either a range or a cap, I think that's all you need. A $20,000 cap. And then what if because we mentioned brand, right? Because we mentioned we want to do whatever goes over there kind of along other trails, right? Like little fixed versions of it to make this brand look cool all the way around Frraasier. Do we want to include the idea that that could happen? No, I would say if we want to look at that, I don't think that's a bad idea, but I think we're getting a little more integrated with that larger wayfinding and just kind of consulting with the wayfinding group and the board of trustees. But yeah, so at the same time, Greg, you said you kind of envisioned if there was a if this was a sign, right, and it was over here, there'd be like miniature fixed versions, right? I think that'd be cool to have the artistic, whatever we're going to call it, spinning sign with the figures it has on it, have those figures repeated at those locations. But then I think the wayfinding I'm envisioning the wayfinding signs to be like you drive into like downtown Littleton does a good job of it. Every street it shows you what's on the side streets. So what's on the main streets you see and then it shows all right this way there's XYZ business. So that's what I'm envisioning the way finding separate from this. Okay. Yeah.

Like if there's a sign that says cross country skiing here just like at the trail head a little sign like that makes it make sense to with the wayfinding group. Will that be something that we would want to find a portion of for signage with that? Do you think they're going to be the position to do that this year? Have something going? I think the town will take the lead on that. Um good. Yeah. There's been a few things where I was like, "This would be a great DDA project." Like the banners on 40. Um I had seen some in Greley. I'm like, "Frazer should do that." And it turned out Sarah had already ordered some. Um so I'm happy to let the town pay for some things that they're already looking to do. Um, but you know, maybe the DDA could contribute towards a monument sign or um, but I think I just think that those are involved if if you're going to do a cross like the cross country or the bike, you know, symbol and that needs to be on the specs for this call because if we're going to reuse everything over there around Frasier, I would suggest is we simply make one of the criteria that um, the the winning uh, contractor will be expected to coordinate with the new way finding protocols. Okay, since they're un undetermined at this point, there's a project underway. Once we have that, you know, we could go to John say he wins it and say, "Hey, John, you know how you wanted to use that one particular symbol for crosscountry skiing. Turns out the wayfinding group is going to use a slightly different one. Let's figure that out and use the same one." Yes, exactly. So, it looks good. But for now, all you got to do is say that project's underway. You're going to collaborate with them. And what I can do the final decision on the design. So, okay, I can check in with the wayfinding group and see if they see any conflict with, you know, having these symbols in different places. Um, and if that would mesh with what they're kind of looking at. Um, I'll also see if they're ready maybe to come present to this group

potentially at our August or September meeting. Um, the hope was that we'd be able to kind of move forward with something this year that wouldn't step on any of those toes or mess up other ongoing projects, but could potentially stand kind of independently. Um, so I'll just check with them on what they think about that synergy of having these symbols out and about. Um, because I do think that would that would make sense and would be a cool project. So, if we look at the sculpture for the I I don't know what to call it. Um I feel like I've been told not to call it a sculpture, but now I don't want to necessarily call it a sign and invoke greater permitting. Um the sign kinetic kinetic symbols, kinetic sign or kinetic sign. We can continue the discussion about next year's budget and next year's projects at our next meeting. um when hopefully we have more folks here and we are getting to just about 11:00. Um but just to kind of circle back to that conversation about Mural Park, is that something that the group thinks we would like to pursue next year and should have that kind of larger conversation with the board of trustees to see if they are interested in providing approval to look at enhancements to Mural Park for next year? I'm not frankly. I just I don't see the I don't see us having a clarity of purpose around that. Yeah. If you had something specific in mind, fine. Well, and some of the discussion at last meeting um was doing uh the rec district came Samantha blanked on her name for a second. picture and what they had suggested doing. Um, and I could pull up some pictures here that um, Park Sense. Yeah, I went to Estus last week and took pictures of things like that and things

that we're trying to develop that are similar to what they already have over there. So, thought it'd be cool. I think I need to restart my computer. Everything's freezing up. Let me see if I can pull this up. of doing some sort of like musical instruments that like the kids could play that could be movable but you know like bolt to the ground. Um so things like that that would just provide a bit more activity and enhancements. Um they also talked about possibly having like a little children or family garden. Um you know there's a couple boxes and people could plant things and Yeah. So they called like a sensory garden where it was like you know kids are welcome to touch this and it has like mint and then it has like you know carnations for like smell and and at the same time then there's a little xylophone that's like fixed into the ground and you know then they had rocks that were painted blue to look like a river and represent a river and like you know that's the kind of thing that is easy to do and easy to move. See? Um, but again, we can also circle back to that. Yeah. With the group as we're looking at next year's budget and plans and what we want to kind of prioritize and focus on. All those things sound great. My my only point is we should have clarity amongst us. We should what it is we're asking for before we Yeah, I totally agree. I guess the question is, do we want to come up with that? Well, can we even ask for it because the we need to know if the town is trying to swap that land and if so, we need to know now so that we can get behind that. And the point is we're not going to know now. Yeah, we don't know. So, the impression I got from our board discussions was just leave it status quo. We need the parking for now and then we'll see how it unfolds. That's kind of my impression. So, it's parking lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I felt like it was a little mixed but Yeah, it was really mixed back there. It was very mixed. But

but that it's I see it also unfolding because I mean it's okay. You you know the one thing though from a budgetary thing that I would um be very interested in seeing is a projection over time as to DDA revenues if we're going to accomplish some of the development we're talking about. Because I mean, let's face it, we're talking about, you know, peanuts here, but a decade from now that may not be that I think is important. Didn't Trey do the quote projection? At least I can circle back with him on Yeah. what we're what we're looking at in the coming years um at least with plan development and then maybe even some potential kind of infill opportunities and what that might look like. Um because there's opportunities there for sure with larger money and then there's also opportunities with potential you know developers working with them to get them to put in amenities that we might like to see and in return they get to keep some of that increment coming back to them. I mean, as an example, just to use today's conversation, I could see us making a choice around this sign that is step one of 10 additional steps to enhance the brand and the signage in our in our community. And we if we know we, you know, we're going to hit a million dollars in year six roughly, um, and it gets projection, then we build that strategy out versus just making these one-off choices. Well, and the but like the plaza for instance, like say I owned that land. Hey, Greg, build a plaza here. Okay, I won't pay property tax for 10 years, right? And then you get the plaza, right? That's probably the power that that's how we have the power to do a $300,000 project right now. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's not so much the money coming into us, but future revenues. I may depends on the day.

Yeah, you guys might. I think you're a rare duo. Is there anything else we need to talk about today or um I do have I did want to touch base on a couple updates. Um we are doing a bike park ribbon cutting. It looks like it's going to be July 22nd. They're actually breaking ground July 14th. So we are finalizing those details, but I hope to send out information this week. So that would likely be about a 400 p.m. ribbon cutting. Um, and then we do just a little kind of celebration, have cake or something here back at town hall or in the park next to town hall before picnic in the park. Um, and then hopefully we'll have a kind of soft opening in the fall when they finish the work and then a larger grand opening next spring. On that note, we are still looking for sponsorships and I do I meant to grab some brochures, but I can grab them from my office real quick. If anybody would like to take some, I would love for you to just kind of share. Um, if you're talking with different businesses that may be interested, please send them my way. Um, we got Rendevous Foundation signed on for a $25,000 sponsorship at the Trailblazer level, so they'll get their logo somewhere in the park. Um, but we have different different levels of participation. Um, Cabin Work said they're interested in one of the levels. Uh, Vicious Cycle, I think, is potentially interested. Um, maybe ice box, mountain sports. So, um, please do help share that information. We mentioned the comp plan, um, will be at Picnic in the Park on the 29th and their open house on the 30th. Um, I will send out a formal email with information, but just making sure you guys have August 4th on your calendars if you are available to participate and can help spread the word. Um, so we'll do a DDA trash pickup from 4:00 to 5 and then um just kind of a social hour at Fraser River Beer Company from 5 to 6. And then Revel in the Park. Um, that's

the weekend that the chamber has been organizing. It's their new event. So most of it is music and events in Winter Park, but they were looking to try to activate downtown Frasier that Sunday morning. Is that Sunday the 9th? Do I have that right? Um, so I know at a meeting a couple meetings ago, people talked about some different ideas around that. Um, Tiffany mentioned somebody that could do carriage rides and and different things. But, um, if you do know of any businesses that would like to participate either with activities or offering, you know, discounted breakfast burrito or whatever, um, please send that the way of myself andor the chamber. And then they I know have a I think yoga class that they're looking to do first thing. Um I was going to see if maybe the rec district since our other ideas have are not kind of happening this year if maybe they wanted to do just like a kids kids hour be a kids yoga art projects or something the hour after in Mural Park just to have some activation. I think the Frasier Artisan Bazaar is going on that weekend as well um that Rebecca Rudell has been organizing with the different businesses. Is that here? that will be she they've been doing it kind of spread amongst some of the different businesses. So they have a table at like Autumn's Nest, the distillery, Simple Coffee. Um but yeah, just try to bring some business into downtown that weekend. Yeah, I think there's a conversation to be had about in the future of pairing that with the Mural Fest weekend. Um but there's pros and cons. Yeah, I think some of the ideas, you know, bringing business on different weekends as well, but yeah. And then obviously the Mural Fest is happening um on the what is that? First, second, and third. Yeah. The first. Yeah. Yep. Um any other updates from anybody else? Reminders?

No. Cool. Can we make motion to adjurnn? So moved. Okay. Second. All in favor? I I I. And and um turn off you going to turn off your recording. Um when we do put