Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

Did you all were in Europe? Europe. We did. That was your brother. Love it. So great. Yeah, they had a good time. I saw some pictures. Yeah. I should have remembered it was your brother. But you don't look that much alike. Look, they look like it. It's beautiful to travel there.

Yeah. I will not You got all of it. And then Drake's Creek's pretty cool, too. Fun things to do here. Mountain climbing. There it is. Hi guys. Everyone, welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the city of Franklin Planning and Zoning. It is April 7th, 2026. My my 6:30 p.m. And uh I'm glad you all are here. Thank you for coming. What a beautiful day. Do I get an amen on that?

Amen. Thank you. Uh let's open with a word of prayer. And we're grateful that Mr. Weisner is back with us tonight. And uh he's going to open us in prayer. Bow with me. Lord Jesus, again, thank you so much for your shed blood, for our salvation. Lord, I just pray that you watch over us tonight and be with us as we make decisions concerning our city and the planet is on zone and be with us so that we'll make the proper decisions and watch over us and would ask this in your precious name. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, uh, Mr. Weisinger. And I would like to welcome our new planning and zoning. Uh, it's official. Is that right? Yes. Would you please stand, Abby? Uh, this is Abby. I'm sorry, your last name. Paul.

Oh, this is Abby Paul and she is officially our new full-time planning and zoning administrative assistant. And she's there to help us and to just greet us when we come in and helps us do whatever we need. So, you guys, um, let's give Abby a warm welcome. Great. Thank you, Abby. Welcome aboard. I hope your ride is smooth. Okay. Did you guys get a chance to look at the minutes? Yes. And what say you? I'll make the motion that we accept the minutes as submitted.

Is there a second? Second. Mr. Mayor um move that we submit the minutes from the March 3rd, 2026 meeting. There was a second on the floor. Um Mr. Henninger. Uh any discussion before we vote? All in favor of of accepting the minutes? I Any opposition? You weren't here. In favor? Abstain.

Abstain. Non. Do I put Georgees as is a nonvote? He can't vote because he wasn't here. It really doesn't matter. He didn't vote.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um, new business before us this evening. We're going to start with number three. Stage One LLC is here to present a final development plan for a mixeduse specialty car and self- storage facility located along Eddings Road. And um hello, welcome back. That was I remember that was sort of a for somewhat like exclusive cars that will be housed there for long periods when people don't want to leave them at home or and then you're going to be getting parts that are more for race cars and not just parts that you might get over at Napa or a store of that nature. So great. Okay, let's uh and I remember you being here and have you moved here or else right is that

I spring that's and h are is your family adjusted and you all are liking it getting in and settled and it's been a half years now. Yeah. Oh, so you're here. And I hope you're appreciating Franklin and Okay, good. Good to hear it. Okay. Hello. How are you tonight? Good. How are you all? Good, thanks. I'm so yes, we're just here seeking final approval on this plan. We went through all the uh appropriate channels to get approvals with the city engineers and um spoke with all utility companies. Excuse me. Can you speak up a little bit?

Thank you. Um we we have approval from the city engineer. Um we've spoke with all the utility companies. Um, we've looked into this extensively. Obviously, there's this drainage basin here that was designed for the road. We made sure that we aren't affected to the point where we cause flooding in the area, anything like that affect the apartments across the street. Um, we also have obviously we back up to a residential property here. We've designed it so that all storm water runoff from any impervious surface that we are adding will be captured by us. Will not affect them. We're actually allowing less water to go onto that residential property behind us now. So for helping their water issue

same way before Yes, ma'am. Um we just think this will be a good business. It will be able to there will be a variety of customers. There's obviously self storage, RV storage outside of the indoor storage as well. So many people can benefit from this as well as the custom shop. Um, if anyone's into that kind of thing around here, they could it becomes more accessible for them. Um, just think we have a good product here.

Mr. Monday, do you see anything that we should be concerned about or be made aware of? Uh, no. As Dale uh talked about, the storm water was a big concern down there. We had last year we had a big backup of water in the crossroads at Eddings Road and Arrington Downs and 100 there. And it just so happens to be at the Garvin Apartments. One of the wells kind of filled in with silt and uh that's being cleared out now. So, all that'll drain where it flooded over the road a year ago. Uh, but outside of that, the the unique feature, as Dale mentioned, with the self storage in the back and with the apartments that we've got coming in out there, uh, is going to be, uh, that that'll be hidden. It won't be seen from the road. Uh, and, uh, very unique because how many compartments have we got in there?

Yeah. Yeah. So, that's going to be a real big help. Got it. That's going to be a big help to the Grove Apartments and the other apartments that you'll see here tonight with a prelim just below this property to the south side border. Uh so, uh it's going to be one of those what you call a hidden asset. Great. Do you have any elevations of the property? what the building's going to look like.

We don't uh have an elevation. I don't in these plans here. Uh the one building that you'll you'll see we this one right here, which is the uh the speed shop. The speed shop, which will uh basically be a typical automotive parts look basically. Um but I don't have an elevation for that. Yeah, we're we're working on elevations right now. So, we'll have good provide to you all

great, you know, so you guys can get your eyes make sure. So, we didn't want to commit to something until we had a little further, you know, blessing with you guys first and we didn't kind of get attached to a certain look. We're definitely going for something that's a little bit more upscale look, right? just for our own clientele, but we also know that's important because we're across the street people's residences and stuff. So, we want to make sure we match that building. So, I'm just used to seeing it on a final development plan.

I'm used to seeing elevations on a final development plan. That's the only reason I'm asking. Are you going to have uh like 4 foot of stone around the building or anything or is it just going to be a metal building? Yes. are on the front corner building and one that's on the north. Yeah, I think that building the visible side. So the the far west south side we were planning on about those which would be your most visible as you're driving up. So that will be over and that's the that's the smaller building towards

the basic plan the layout of this building is this will be more of an office area and then these will actually be bay doors that carry all the way through for anybody hauling a car in can just pull through and turn around and drop off. That's going to be over in front of the Garvin apartments. What? That's going to be the one by the Garvin Apartments. Oh yes. So the apartments are right here. Garvin. So, is it okay if we put that in the motion that you're going to have that on the building? Yes. Thank you.

We would I know that you're seeking final so you can get started, but we would like for to you to come back with elevations. Just kind of additional a conditional approval kind of thing. Yes. Elevation. Yeah. We Yeah, it's Yes. Okay. Do you guys agree with that? Yeah. I mean, this is prelim, right? No, final. No, this is final. So, number three. We're on number three. That's why I was asking for elevations. So, Carter, you everything's in order with the water, you said? Yes.

Okay. So essentially you want to get started on the self storage portion of this. Yeah, we'll we'll most likely be starting on the back, you know, okay, how soon that actually gets started and it's yet to be determined. So we're still finishing up some funding. Okay. I would say more at least. Okay. So, over the next month to two months, can you please come in with elevations? We we really would appreciate that.

Thank you. Having that is that what we wanted to do. Anything that is exposed to roads, we would prefer to have some stone or brick on and certainly gussied up a little bit. Absolutely. And then as far as real quick, there colors like we're not doing anything like exotic or anything like that, but I mean there was dark colors. Do you guys have any pros to that per se on anything? And I'll say that I like the Fisers buildings that they have. Have you seen those south of town? They have orange on them, don't they? Is it orange?

Yeah, they're they got like black and glare. I mean, they're nice looking buildings. I mean, something like that is kind of, you know, for a metal building. The only reason we ask about stone on the bottom is, you know, light build, especially if you're going to have a speed shop and you're going to be people in and out. And a lot of that might have to do with your colors. I mean, you might want to do black and stone at the base and then some we really like was black. Yeah. I just didn't receive. So that's why we didn't want to like fully commit to that. We were grease monkey we were okay with with that one that it's got black.

Yeah, I would be happy and I think it looks very sleek if correctly and certainly with woods in the background and you know it's I and it is a car. You're you know this is not a hair salon or facial you know it's cars. So muscle Okay. Anything else, gentlemen? You guys see? Thank you. I'm prepared to take a motion with the uh caveat of over the next 60 days to 90 days we see exhibits or we see elevations.

So that building that I was talking about that's next to next to Gettings Road, what do you want to call that build? Is that the speed shop? Yes. So if I put it in the motion about the 4 foot of stone? Yes. Yeah. lab PMR building. It's a 12,000 foot building. All right. I'll make a motion that we approve the final devel development plan for Stage One LLC uh with a mixeduse specialty car and self storage facility on Eddings Road. And uh I want to put in the motion that uh the SMR building, right? DM EMR

PMLR building will have at least 4 foot of stone around the exterior and also that over the next 60 to 90 days we have elevations. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? I second.

Thank you. There's a motion on the floor with a second that followed by Mr. Weisinger that we approve the final development plan for stage 1 LLC for the mixeduse specialty car and self- storage facility that's located along Ed Eddings road with the exception that the PMR built or with the um caveat that the PMR building speed shop will have 4 feet of stone at least and also in the next 90 days we will see exhibits of elevations. Okay, any discussion? All in favor say I. I.

I. Is there any opposition? That motion passes unanimously. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um, moving along, Premier Developments LLC is here to present a preliminary development plan for the Haven apartment complexes that are located the corner of Eddings and Scottville Road. And you they're going to be your neighbor, right? That's right. So, that's some people. Yeah, that's we need to talk to each other. Did Have you met them already? Not yet.

Not yet. This is the first where we're hear hearing of it. Um so glad to see you all again. Uh we have this one up for preliminary approval. Um it's apartments. You've seen this plan before I believe uh when we did the resoning. Um and so we're looking at uh just under the allowable number of units. I think there's 141 allowable. We're looking at 100 um uh 128 units uh on this piece of property that that fronts uh headings there just across the road from Garvin Apartments and to the southeast of Broom Park South which is under construction right now. Uh we uh had traffic study done to satisfy the uh transportation cabinet's requirements uh to make sure we didn't need a signal at this location. That was all good. They don't it's not didn't did not want a signal at that location. Uh and we're just seeking preliminary approval tonight. You can see the layout. We're further along uh with the engineering on this one because we were held up with the uh sewer capacity letter. Uh so now that we have that approval, we're we're we're going to be fasttracking this project. So if I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, uh but you can see it there. Uh how it's going to be laid out. We are, you know, Carter mentioned a drainage uh issues across the road over there. We're creating a new drainage basin along the main road for this project, which will help that issue. uh because like the the previous case is we're going to be holding that water on our project. Uh and then any overflow will be allowed to go back to the the state right away. But there will be very minimal of that, you know, unless there's

great tsunami against this. It's really and that that development actually some people think that development hurts drainage. It actually helps it because we're required to hold that back. So that's good. That's good. You could probably um write a book on that or certainly an article in a newspaper and I'm sure you would get a lot of input and a lot of a lot of push back, a lot of different opinions. Yeah. So, this is right past Garvin Apartments.

Uh it's direct. So, Garvin is here. Uh and so it's directly across the street from uh and the the case you just heard is directly to the north. You're doing 128 units. Yes, ma'am. I'm sure you've got plenty of parking structures. We do. We have plenty of parking. Uh it's a very similar uh to the Grow Park South layout that you saw. They're going to have uh some garages available for tenants, a couple uh storage units available for them as well on site. Um and then a mixture of floor plans, and then uh the clubhouse up there up front. So, that's what we're looking at. I should know this, but these are rental, right? They're not That's correct. Yes, ma'am. This going to be buted up to 100, too.

I'm sorry. It's going to beed up to 100. There there's quite a bit of distance uh from where the the buildings will be located uh to 100. I think they're uh over 100 feet back off the roads. It's going to 100 at the bottom of your drawing there, right? Yes. So, does this drive that you have is this line up with the garments?

It does not. Um, if you're familiar with this area, when you first start uh entrances here, you first come into this property, there's a pretty good hill on the right with the ditch there. And the only location uh that we can get uh or or the easiest location for us to get in and out of this development uh without creating some kind of sight distance issues uh is toward the rear here, just before you get to the drainage basin on the neighbor's property. Uh so that that entrance will be back here uh more in line with the entrance to uh Grove Park's house.

Just curious push further away so that way when people are coming out of this development and coming down uh to the main road here that they won't they won't be coming out right at the entrance. It creates problems sometimes if you don't have enough storage there. And you know uh so you said they did a traffic study for going on to Gettings Road. Did they continue that on to 100 and all this extra traffic flow with Garvin and that

they studied uh everything at this location coming from every direction including Trader Joe's the 250 units you approved at Grow Park South these 128 uh the existing uh units at at Grow Park or at Gar Point as well. Uh, so they took all of that into consideration. Uh, and and it still did not warrant a signal at the location. That's surprising. I think they'll be re-evaluating that one.

But they have a long list of items that all have to be satisfied in order to warrant it. And given the the extra turn lanes, the improvements they did before Grow Park South would that that probably uh would have been required by that development or this one had they not already done it for Trader Joe's. So this is a random question, but is it is it a a huge expense for the state to put in a traffic light? Uh I would say it probably depends on the intersection. Uh but it's probably a couple hundred,000 I would imagine. Well, but um I I don't know. They're not They're kind of stingy with them.

Well, they I I don't want to speak for them, but they're not a fan of putting uh lights really close to interchanges. Okay. Um it it u slows down traffic. Uh and and they they want to be in control of that. Uh so it's just rarely whatever they say. How often have we gotten a new traffic light? Well, thank you. Yes, ma'am. How many apartments are in those units?

12. Oh, sorry. Uh so so each one of these buildings uh has eight units in it. Four on the first floor and four on the second floor. So just so as you know, this is a gateway, right? So, we're going to expect these apartments to probably look pretty good. Yes.

Hope you get got the elevation was included in your packet that shows the the layout and and they are doing I believe it's brick on the whole first floor. Uh and then you can see it there. Uh to give you an idea this is the four flex. Is that right? Right. Uh they're well eight. It's a they're both eightlexes. Uh it's just there's one of these that's a little smaller building that's for the onebedroom units versus the two bedrooms. That's the difference

on the second floor. Are those little terraces? Uh yes. So there's uh outdoor patios on the first floor and then these are little terraces. Nice. It's like I said, they're almost identical to what we proved on Crow Park South across the street. Uh so it'll look really nice coming into that area. Yes.

You okay with it, gentlemen? to my right. Are you guys okay with what's we see before us? Is there anything that we need to be aware of before we move towards voting? Preliminary. Yes. Excuse me. I'm prepared to take a motion for the preliminary development plan for pre Premier Developments, the Haven. I'll make the motion to approve Premier Developments LLC uh for preliminary development plan for the Haven apartment complexes located on the corner of Eddings Road and Scotsville Road.

Thank you, Mr. Heniger. Is there a second? Second. Okay, Mr. Hener um made the motion. Mr. May or seconded um to approve the preliminary development plan for Premier Premier Developments LLC for Haven Apartment Complexes located on Ed and Scottville Road. Is there any further discussion before we vote? All in favor say I. I.

Is there any opposition? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Okay. Milson Investments LLC is here to present a final development plan for apartment complexes located on the corner of Orange and Harding. You're back. Okay. And who do you have with you? Mr. Fqua. Is he with you? Yes. Great. I'm filling in for someone on this one. So that's other why you're not familiar with me on the show. We think you're going to do a great job. So,

I think they have a I got a brief uh on everything that you asked for during the preliminary review. Uh so I believe there was some issue with uh a water line along street not mistaken and they have uh committed to upsizing and it is quite a bit of water line through a 6 in line 855 uh linear feet of water line uh to be uh installed. all along that road. And then if you remember from the preliminary, this site was kind of flipped. Uh he had the buildings on this on the top side and then the parking on the lower side. And then due to the needs for uh drainage bas on this side, he ended up ended up swapping those two. So buildings are going to be on on this side, parking in the middle, and then the drainage base will go along this side to make sure that we're metering out any flow. And then there's a I believe Jay said that you all had requested a a landscape buffer as well. So he's got that on there.

I believe that is it. Uh but I'll be happy to answer any questions. the water line that's over on Orange Street. It's that one's getting reworked so we can keep a fire plug at this end, one at the opposite end over on Orange. Is that right? Uh that was some of the discussion we were having. Let me look at this. I believe that is right. Uh Carter. Um see here, six buildings. Six buildings. Oh, emergency management looking to have a fire plug in both ends. Yeah.

Can we have a little refresher course? Six buildings and how many apartments? Uh 48 total units. Each building is an eight flex. Uh similar to what you just saw.

Yeah. Um, I think This is the new feature. If you'll notice, can't hardly see it where it is, but the new feature, how we number our apartments for addresses. Uh we uh we spent about three months devising a system whereby emergency management could get there quicker and go right to the apartment rather than go to the complex find.

Yeah. Yes. So, uh, we made that an equal part into our final billing. So, utilities have an easement that they have an easier way to, you know, group their electric and water and all that stuff to each department. He does have a fire hydrant there, fire.

Yeah. and and emergency management's been a part of our project team now for the last year and they also look at fire protection in these kind of complexes and they requested to have a plug at the 1008 entrance and a plug down at the Orange Street in case blockage in either end they could still access the points. So, uh, this is a a random question and I'm sure that we covered it in the first, but it's been a little bit a time. Um, the mail are they going to have a Yeah, there's a kiosk. Yeah, it's right here. Okay.

So, there's a a sidewalk that leads throughout the development there that connects to this area where the mailbox. Okay. You have the the elevations with you tonight? I believe we saw those showed the elevations. I know. And and I think I've got them added in black is the right red. Oh, okay. Here it is. There it is. Okay. So, they're all brick essentially. This is the development uh just north of Ridge Pond. Okay.

That they have. Uh I went up took pictures of it. I think that's Matt had told me that's where it was. Okay. So, this is going to be quite similar. Yeah. So, can you show that on the map exactly where this is at? Do you have Harding and Orange? You know where uh Dillard Road hits 31? Yeah. On the south end of Bowling Green there. Oh, I'm talking about this. Oh, I'm sorry. You know where Taylor Concrete is? Yeah.

There's a I think an empty lot there and then the drive goes into the housing authority. I think it's that right there. Yeah. It goes from 10:08 over to Orange. Is that what they do? Yeah. It's right here. It's right in there. I'm trying to make sure I had the right spot. 108. And then there's Orange Street over here. And there used to be Huff Street right here. And we we closed that down. city uh closed it down, took it all. So, but that's where we're at. That's the parcel. That'll be a a nice look over nice asset. Yes, certainly. Do we need it to know anything else or is everything in alignment?

Everything's in alignment with it. Uh there's some finishing comments I think Richard's got to make with Jace, but they've got a gentleman's agreement that that's going to get done. So, is Jayce on vacation? He is. spring break. I hope with a that's fine. He's having fun snorkeling. Um, okay. I'm prepared to take a motion. I'll make that motion. Yes. That we uh approve the final development plan for Milson Investment LLC on Harding Road between Harding Road and Orange Street. Uh, is there a second? Second.

Okay. Uh, Mr. Keep made has made the motion and Mr. Weissinger has seconded for Milson Investments LLC. The final development plan for the apartment complex is located on the corner of Orange Street and Harding Road. Is there further discussion before we vote? All in favor say I. I. Is there any opposition?

Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good to see you, Mr. Fuca. and thanks for stepping in for Jace. Thank you. Okay. Um I think we're going to jump right into the public hearing. That's what we have. And then we have also some other things to go over, but let's uh that we exit regular business to regular business and move it to public. Okay. Motion. Okay. Uh Mr. Henninger has moved that we exit the regular business meeting and Mr. uh Keley has seconded. Is there discussion before we do that? All in favor say I.

I. Motion passes unanimously. We have now exited the regular business meeting. We are entering the public hearing. As we move into the public hearing, please make sure that all your phones are on silence. There is absolutely no discussion amongst board members and or the community during this meeting. If you would like to speak, you will need to be sworn in. And um I think that that's pretty good. Oh, essentially what we as we go into a public hearing, we just want you to know that we have rules and regulations that we have to adhere to and that are before us in our books. And so, but it looks like you have a very capable and wise author couple authorities here with you to shepherd this process. So, Mr. Cummings, if you'd like to take the floor. Thank you. Uh, the K the situation is James A. Manning and Miss Gale H. Fanning Revocable Living Trust and they've requested a zone change from I2 heavy industry to B4 highway business for parcels located at 38 Brown Road, 121 Brown Road, and 87 Brown Road and 95 Brown Road. Is that only one public hearing? Yes. Yes,

we can do all four in one public hearing. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Approach with a composite. Yes. Thank you. These addresses are all over.

These addresses, they're just jumbled. Yes, ma'am. Did you address you didn't get that's that's why we mail carrier rely on Mr. Dunning's minor plaid if that's okay. Could be David, am I misreading this? Who owns lot number one?

This is a joint petition with Diamond Screw Products Incorporated. They just recently in January purchased the first lot. And so we asked for permission to have a joint petition with the Manning Trust. Okay. and do the entire property in one fail swoop. All right. So, we can do this in one fail swoop, Bob. I think so. Yes. It's all been planted together. Okay. Sure. Makes our job easier. Diamond screw, their representative signed the petition. So, okay. With your leave, Madam Chair, may we begin? We would love for you to begin.

I promise, Mr. Monday, we would be brief tonight. Uh, this one's easy, very, very simple. So for the record, David Cumins, on behalf of the petitioner, we're simply asking to go back to the original zone classification. It was initially before uh in the southernmost or the last property uh on Mr. Dunning's plat. There was, if I understand correct, a tenant that was uh out of the character, so to speak, uh some sort of hemp production that's highly flammable. And so in 2020, this entire property was reszoned to I2. That tenant has long left. Um and so we're hoping to go back to the original classifier. And with uh that I would ask to call Miss Diane Manning Hawkins as um representative of the petition.

He'll ask you to be sworn. You need She will swear you in. Miss Diane, would you please raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. And if you want to see it, just so we can just what we ask is that you speak loudly enough voices. Some voices carry in here wonderfully and some do not. So, thank you, Miss Diane. Would you state your name for the record, please? Diane Caukins. And your address, please. 6349 Gold City Road, Franklin, Kentucky. And uh of course Jim and Gail, but James A. Manning and Gail H. Manning, they were your parents. Is that correct? Yes.

Uh did your father pass away in September of 2021? Yes, they did. And then your mother passed away in January of 2025? Yes, she did. Did they have a revocable living trust? Yes, they did. And have the properties in question been deed to that trust? Yes, they have. And then earlier this year in 2026 did the trust uh convey the first property u lot one on the minor plat uh to Diamond Screw Products Incorporated.

The properties uh are all for sale now. Is that a fair way to That is correct. Uh and since your parents passed away, uh the four surviving co-rustees, they are you and your siblings. Is that That's correct. And you're marketing those properties for sale. That is right. Would you mind to explain briefly to the commission um however you're accustomed to referencing the properties lot one as you drive in off of Industrial bypass? Uh would you explain that property and what the tenant and now the owner is who they are and what they do? Uh that is uh Diamond's Grove and u they sell industrial

hardware um the other three lots are all three of those improved by buildings now long long constructed or erected buildings. Yes. And they've been used by your family as commercial rental properties. Is that Yes. Is that correct? Uh the next lot going down the the road there, um lot to if I understand correctly, a company called On7 owns that. Is that Yes, that's right. Do you know very much about them? What kind of tenant they are? I do not know a whole lot about that. I didn't know it's a trucking company. There's there's trucks there a lot.

Okay. Um lot three going down the street. Uh if I understand it's under contract to the present tenant. Is that right? That's correct. Yes. And it's ZA uh rentals u a Bosnian gentleman from the Bowling Green area. Is that That's correct. Correct. What kind of uh commercial activity does he have? uh he purchases uh products from um Amazon and other companies and he um resells them on the internet.

Great. Um so that brings us to the last property I think you're most familiar with with that uh tenant. Would you tell us about that young man? that is um um tight nag and our son George Hawkins is in that building and they uh sell seed and for farmer agricultural uses yes they um they he sells seeds and they and products they bring them in and then he sells them and then he delivers them and again those buildings they're metal commercial buildings. Is that correct? That is correct. And they were built many years ago. Yes.

Before we had nice stone facades and and pretty elevations and so forth. They're not as attractive as some of the newer buildings in all honesty, are they? Behind the property uh is a lowlying area where water often accumulates. To your knowledge, have any of these buildings ever had any flooding, water problems, that sort of thing? No. back in southwest side. There's never been water. And again, just for clarification, uh the petitioners are asking that we return back to the original B4 highway business zone. Is that correct? That is correct. That's why we're here tonight. That's correct.

Is there anything else that you'd like to add to your comments? Are there any questions uh for the family? Are you I Are you just trying to get this change back for sale values for Yes. Make it easier to um that's all I have of this witness. If I could call Mr. Dunning. Yes, that's fine. As as a general. Yes. Sure.

Thank you. Yes. Could you please raise your right hand? Do you s swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Hello, Mr. Danny. Good evening. How you in your new boots? Boots. Boots. You wore your dress boots tonight. May push the witness with Yes, you may. For the record, Mr. Mr. Dunning, would you state your name? Gary Lee Dunning. What company or profession are you in and company do you have? Dunning land surveying which is in surveying business in Franklin.

Again, for the record, I just want to familiarize everybody with you and your credentials. Are you're familiar with the subject property? Yes, sir. U the first document in the exhibit there is a minor subdivision plat. Is that your work product? Yes, it is. Um the second and third documents are excerpts from PVA aerial maps. Do they accurately or generally uh depict the property at issue? That's a property. Yes. Um, about when did you prepare the minor subdivision plat? I think it's on the document. It's dated

2018. 2018. Um, it's a public record. So, this notation at the top right platin 5, page 105 document at the Simpson County Clerk's Office. Can you all hear Mr. Dunning? I can. Can you hear him, Mr. Dunning? Good. Oh yeah. Again, just for the record and for clarification, this was approved uh in 2018 by this body and recorded as a minor subdivision class. Would you explain why lot uh the southernmost lot the last one is not numbered?

It's not numbered because it was existing parcel record at the time this plat was done. at the beginnings, you know, had a separate mortgage to Franklin Bank for, you know, was basically the structure that was going to be used for the library, you know.

So, their development bridged the the rule implication, so to speak. Um, lot one has an extra lot to the rear of it. Would you explain that to the commission? Lot one. And then there's a small track depicted on the flat. little piece was added to the bottom of that because they thought, you know, that at the time they wanted to market it as a oneacre lot when it was triangle parcel was added to it. Yeah. So for purposes of reszoning uh tonight, have you provided the commission with new meets and bounds boundary surveys of all four lots including lot one as depicted on here and the 1100s uh tracked behind it?

So the resultant resoning would be in four existing tracks. Is that correct? Descriptions. Okay. Uh would you generally describe the buildings? I think everyone's familiar with them. What kind of structures and purpose metal building old buildings, you know, all basically well maintained at this time? You know, um if I suggested that the PVA says the first three are um 80 ft by 75 ft or 6,000 square feet. Does that sound accurate? Both.

Okay. Um I know we haven't asked you to measure the buildings, just the the lots themselves. Um the lot on the I'm sorry, the southernmost lot, the structure there has uh doubled in size since this depiction. Yeah. So if the PVA says it's 75 ft wide by 160 ft or 12,000 square feet, that sounds right. Um, I asked Miss Manning, um, now Miss Hawkins about this. Um, this propertyy's been in her family a long, long time, but to the southeast, uh, it is a lowlying area, correct? That did go away there. Yes.

Would you explain to the commission why you've got a 40ft drainage easement and then the flood plane uh, depicted on your minor plat? just to let anyone who was involved in plots that some of that flood plane had a deep gully never got up above it and so these properties all drain to the southeast back toward that that gully and again to your knowledge there's not been any drainage problems to the roadway back to the northwest

not from the site now okay Um, we're asking to go back to the original zone classification again just for the satisfaction of the commission. Do these lots as they have existed for some time all comply with the dimensional requirements uh setback requirements of a B4. They're all fully compliant. Okay. Is there anything else that you would like for the commission to know? Again, we're just asking to return to where we began. Basically, what you're doing is going taking away the zoning from I2 back to B4 original zone.

I think that's it. Thank you very much, Mr. Cummings. Do you gentlemen have any further questions, Mr. Cummings, and or either of the witnesses that he has with him this evening? Okay. Is there anyone here that has um any objection and or any concerns in regards to returning to the original zoning? Let the record state that there is no one here that would like to speak with concerns and or um objection to us return to being returned to the original zoning. Okay. Um,

thank you, Dennis. May I approach with some Yes, you may approach with findings of fact and um, Carter, is there any reason that you can see that why we should not grant this these four lots to be returned to original zoning? No, ma'am. Your minimum lot is 10,000 square feet zone. So, you're way above on all the lots above. Dr. Link, is there any legal reason that you can see? No. If we should make a motion, which I'm prepared to take one, can this be done with one motion? Yes. Thank you. Okay.

I'm prepared to uh make a motion to approve the zone change from I2 to B4. I think these uh building sizes are better suited for B4. Great. Like they're requesting. So, uh, and that's for the James A. Manning and Gail, uh, Manning Living Trust zone change from I2 to B4 located on 38 Brown Road, 121 Brown Road, 87 Brown Road, and 95 Brown Road and for us also to accept the findings of fact inclusion. Thank you so much. There's a motion on the floor by Mley. Is there a second? Second.

Great. There's a second on the floor by Mr. Weisinger. Is there any discussion before we vote? Hey, we're going to now take a vote uh on the James A. Manning and Gail Manning Revocable Living Trust. They've requested a zone change from I2 Heavy Industry to B4 Highway for the parcels located at 38 Brown, 121 Brown, 87 Brown, and 95 Brown. and also to accept the findings of facts and conclusions of law and recommendation for this zone change. All in favor of this zone change, please say I. I. I.

Is there any opposition? That motion passes unanimously. Thank you so much. Very much. May we get a motion to exit the public hearing? So move. There's a motion on the floor to exit the public hearing. There is a second by Mr. Weissinger. Keep second. All in favor say I. Hi. Hi. We are now exiting this public hearing and we will move forward with the business at hand. Were you related to Paty Manning? How how are you related?

Well, I'm very sorry for your loss. I did not know she had passed away until I saw it and too late or I would have come to visit. I know the girl Robin, you know. And of course, so love and are you I didn't see it. When did she pass away? Uh about So, she was your aunt. And you're Are you Diane's mom or sister? I'm Diane. You're Diane? Oh, you're No, no, no. Oh, I didn't put it together. Diane Manny sister is Emily's mother, right? My sister is Emily's mother. Yes. And we love Emily. So, you're I didn't know your aunt, but we used to work years ago with Bid.

Yeah. You knew Bid Manny? Oh, Lord. Yes. He worked for the city and yes he did. But he's been gone. He's been gone. Uh we gosh we met him at the funeral. I think I think he died when the girls were in their early 20s. Yeah. The Yes. When Robin and 30 30 years at least. Wait. I remember I knew Robin when he died and I was at her compact apartment the night I went over and it's been at least 30 years. It's 30 anyway. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Well, thank you for coming in. I'm sorry it's the arous process, but I'm glad it worked out. Yes, that's kind of been the the thing. Yes. They bless us and that's all. And if you if you speak your the Bowling Green Mannings, please send our regards. I will message. I can send a message. I will. That would be great. Thank you so much. Bye, Diane. See you.

Okay. Uh I think we need to take one. We've got one piece of uh housekeeping and then we have Mr. Powell here to visit with us. Hi Ken. Um, I think that since Miss Emily is gone, I have a note that we probably need to elect as our secretary. Okay, I'll move that we uh elect Abby as our secretary of the city of Franklin Plains. Is there a second? There's a second. Uh, I made the motion, Miss Keley seconded. Any discussion? Well, I'm not sure her short hand is that good, but better than mine. All in favor say I.

I. Okay. Motion passed unanimously. Congratulations, Abby. If you want it or not. Sorry. Okay, Mr. Powell. We're glad to see you. Thank you. Welcome.

Just kind of wanted to give the little um sorry I'm allergies raspy. So uh um I know that last month March 3rd that you passed preliminary uh development plan for the data storage service sooner and one of the things was a monthly update and I think that is good but I think uh what I asked the commission and they approve uh basically another engineering group or facility to do peer-to-peer here with them and step down because this is out of our league and it's you know it's beyond anything that we come up with. So there's items that you know fire protection, environmental emissions, ambient noise, there is numerous things. So, uh, myself, Richard Jones, Carter, and John Zambrano, we've had one conference call with one company, but we're looking at a company that is just it's familiar with the process, and they walk it through peer-to-peer every step. So, when they bring something forward, it's paying a chess match or a check. We're checking and making sure that they're meeting and I'm hoping to exceed the expectation. So, I don't know what we're getting into, but is approved. Um, so, uh, that's a good step and it's so I'm hoping that from the board or from the public, this is a good step forward. Uh, so I just kind of wanted to kind of give you the update. Once we pick that firm, um, we'll we'll let the the board know, but I think we're down to two firms and then maybe by next month we'll have that designated. So, you know, I envisualize when if somebody's coming up from the data center that we have our firm here as well. If there's questions from the public that ask that our uh representative would take that, research

it, get the answer back. So, there's just a lot of give and take. So, I don't know where it's going to go, but I think we need something to speak on the city or community's behalf and if we have questions can reach out. Absolutely. the for meeting.

Absolutely. The one thing that uh you know, Richard Jones has been our you know, contract professional engineer for I guess three years. So I kind of envision him being the hub cuz he's an engineer. So any questions, we're using him as as that conduit back and forth. So um but yes, any questions that you have now or whatever, uh we would take those and get that response back. Uh I'm really thinking that u one of the firms they are familiar with the data center so they already have a list of questions has been asked and answers which is good which we don't have that so uh so I'm thinking also uh talking to John Zambrano will probably be on the city's website on uh as far as the P&Z there'll probably be that extra little things that people can go there and and get answers or ask questions. So, we're into new ground. So, please be patient as we build it. But I think being proactive and having somebody in front of us uh and instead of lagging,

I think we need to be kind of there and and so I just kind of want to report that to the board so we're not stepping into something that and get uh penalized later. So, can Yes, sir. So, this engineering firm that's going to evaluate them, are they going to be reporting to us before any meetings that we have with them?

I think that's uh I think that would be, you know, like I said, this we're building this as we go, but I think information that you would have, we could you go soon through Carter to get to that uh that person and yes, uh I'm thinking that that's how it could work. I would like for uh anytime that we're going to have a meeting with them prior to meeting prior that I would like for one of the representatives to come and for us to ask questions. Yeah.

Yeah. I I envision that representative should be here at every meeting and and basically uh be a part of it through the whole process. Yes. Also, once you have hired, once you guys have gotten the right candidate and the right team for us, I would love it if we could have, you know, a two-hour meeting or something, all of us, and we could put our heads together and they could tell us what to expect. But not just that, but they could say, "Okay, this is the federal they they have got to comply with this federal rule. This is because all these things a lot of the things that have come up are federal and state law already that they have to comply with. But we need to be made aware of federal state they have to do this. So we're not pushing that up the hill. It's already you know those are already in place.

And the you know the one thing that in my old manufacturing days at Toyota ways it's a lot of it is go and see if they have a process or whatever. I envision this group in going and seeing and looking and coming back and bringing it back to the board and say, "Okay, this is what they say. This is what we documented." So, we know exactly. So, uh yes, it'll be costly, but I think it's if we get to that, it'll be well worth the investment down the road instead we get something that we didn't know was coming. So, but I think Derek, you're you're correct. I think that would be you're going to recognize this face and I envision on a regular basis when they come and report. But I I do like that maybe a two-hour work session basically

before we so once we select that and uh that's an excellent idea. Um, so just remember this. We're walking through this the first time and I think as we were on the the conference or whatever, I think whatever we develop, it'll become a template standard I think for the rest of the country because I don't I don't see this anywhere that I've kind of been navigating. I know uh Carter's put together our chick checklist and whatever. This is almost a sub subgroup of that and and I think uh I don't know what your thoughts Carter. I mean your opinion right path personally

we've got some people that are very knowledgeable in terms of data centers and that's that's what we need. It's too much of a load for anyone in this group to know that knowledge too much we don't know it. No and we really have got to have those specialists you know you know fire protection and and we're looking for a group that has the resources all under that that kind of does that. If not, they can get that and bring it in. So they asking about emissions, they know federal and this is what they do. They just do nothing but emissions. And so it's not a guess. No, no, this is and they can tell us exactly Yeah.

what it is. And if we're talking about sound, this is what they do. They deal strictly, oh, I you know, I work on sound on the side. No, no. It's just that's their career path. all the new things that are mit the mitigation of some there's so much out there now that five years ago was not right so and I just wanted to just kind of say this is the commission was very supportive and I think it's it was unanimous yes it was great

so uh like I said and then I'm hoping that soon that we'll have that uh contractor that engineering firm selected and then like I said probably the first thing is have a work session of the things so uh we've talked about you know our their website to, you know, the P&Z, all that information, how we can start pushing it out to the public, you know, the things we uh each and I would love for, you know, I know that you're going to be there in the early days, but I would love for some people from the city to be there with us. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. To be in the process and to, you know, maybe the commissioners will come. When is your last day? Do you know what it mean? May 1st.

May 1st. Yeah. So this will be I I feel good I I would feel very uncomfortable and the commission I I feel good that this is the direction the commission supported because it's it's just too big and and I felt like whoever is following this there's something already going and it's going to keep going forward. So you envision selecting this before May 1st?

Yes sir. Yeah. Um, so we have a very good group and uh, but we're all in it together. But I think uh, some of the conference call we've had, you know, we they understand what we're asking. Uh, but just your comment having a work session, that's an excellent comment. So, please keep those coming if they send them to Carter, send them to me, and so we'll start developing a, you know, kind of a a checklist. Great. Thank you. Thank you for coming in, Mr. Pal. We appreciate you. love. Okay. Say before we move on. Okay. Well, we're pretty much we're ready. We're finished with the evening of work.

Okay. So, last meeting, right? Uh I have some concerns with last meeting. Uh mainly uh Bob, we uh there's a I know the crowd is difficult to deal with, but you're going to have to check yourself because we can't have people on our this board's hard enough's job. Up the crowd, yelling at the crowd, uh throwing people out. That's not your place. We need to that needs to be checked, dealt with. I've already made my concerns to the commission about it and to Mr. Pal. I want to let you know in front of the board that I that's how I feel about it. Also, Carter, too. I mean, we can't yelling. We can't make it any more difficult than it already is on these kind of situations. I know it's not easy, but we have to be the ones of reason.

That's the way I feel about it. Are you pushing me for yelling back? Yeah. It's hard when somebody leaves the room and calls us everyone under an under MF son of a not to tell them something. The lady that ran out of here and said, "Bob Link, you can kiss my ass." I said, "No, thank you." I was not hired as a referee. And I have made the suggestion that we have police officers when we have this group of people because they are like rabbid dogs. I was not hired to do this. Y'all were not hired to do this. We need somebody with some authority to calm them down.

I understand that. But that's that's Madam Chair's deal. That's not yours or legal advice in my opinion. Well, not to. When Debbie asked me to do something, I do it. And so she was having trouble and she said, "Can you?" That's just the way I feel about it. So Well, I feel the same way. I don't want to do it. I don't like having to be quiet. I mean it but that's our job and we don't need to make anybody agitating the crowd anymore than they already are because it's already difficult enough.

I'm sorry I was not strong enough and it was I will take the brunt of that. Um when we are being yelled at it and I did nod numerous times to one of the police officers saying he did not move. I was concerned that if we had police officers taking people out, it would get worse. I just want to make my feelings known. That's feel about it. You're fine. We can't fine. I feel the same way. I don't want to do it. I wasn't hired to do it. I represent this board. I am not a referee.

No, you're not. So, I'm sorry, Bob. I'm sorry, Derek, that it happened. Um I really hope it never happens again in that manner. We you know we um before I have said when people use curse words that they would be asked to leave and I've meant that this was far past any of that and um it it it got to a point where you you I didn't know what to do. Well, what do you do when they're completely irreasonable? What do you think we should do if they're completely unreasonable?

We can ask them to leave, but we don't need to be agitating the crowd. That's my thing. We didn't try to agitate them. They were trying to agitate. I felt like we did. There was agitation coming our from our side. So, that's my point. Well, I wouldn't have said it if I didn't think so. That's just I wanted to make it known. That's the way I feel about it. So whether you like it or not, well, let's hope that we don't have more meetings like that. If I I I believe that um if we have to, we'll start the meeting very firm. One out of order and you're going to be asked to leave one. Good.

That's what I think the judge did. And I know I'm not a judge, but I think we can just start. You know, we're gonna have more meetings like this. It's gonna happen with this specific topic. Yes, sir. But we need to start the meeting. Here is the rules of what we're doing. If you break any of these, you will leave. And if you do not leave when asked, then you will be escorted out. See, I thought the police actually took some people out last time. They walked with them. They didn't really they didn't but I'm not going to get into the police cuz I got an issue with the guy that was here anyway. So Oh, that's a different story. So, but uh the lady tried her thing.

She did. But she's also Debbiey's size. So, it was an unfortunate evening and I just I think that probably some of the comments that were made probably on both sides people regret having made them. I don't I don't regret a damn thing I said, you know. Okay. Where's the money coming from? From these people that's suing us where they're getting their money. Who are you talking about, dear? We've been sued. Oh, yes. About 14,000.

We and all the companies involved. Yeah. Um where they explain what that is. Oh, it's a public service situation. So, we don't know where their money comes from and we don't um I have not been served. They have not hired.

Nobody in Franklin has hired this outfit. They've just solicited them and I imagine they've done this all over the state and they probably have can language they use for each time. So, we'll just have to see. I haven't read the complaint. I took this job with the written agreement with the city that I didn't do the litigation. So, I'm not comfortable to charge them to study the complaint a long time because if I'm not going to represent the city in it, I don't need to be charging the city for that. So, the city will hire a litigation firm because, you know, there's a lot of Mr. Crabtree is working on it.

Uh, Mr. Crab Tree is working on. He will work on it. City find somewhere. Yes. Yes. Yes. But yeah. Well, I know one thing. There's an awful lot of people out there stirring the pot. You got a pot of crap. It's not stinking. Don't stir it. And we got an awful lot of people out there stirring the pot. I'll uh make a motion we back. All in favor say I. I. Motion.