City Council - Regular Meeting

Ready, aim, fire. Okay, good evening everyone. It's 6 pm and it's time to call the uh city council meeting to order on December 1st, 2025. U Miss Jones, roll call, please. Mr. Austin, present. Mr. Shuck, here. Miss McGinness here. Miss Nally here. Miss Price, Mr. Prime here. Mr. Taylor here. Mayor, you have a quorum. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, I don't see Brian Reese, so Mr. Shook. All right, I'll take care of this. You bow your heads in prayer with me, please. Dear heavenly father, we thank you for this night. Uh, we give all glory to you in heaven. We thank you for our many blessings which include um the city of Franklin, the open forum that we have this evening and uh all our families that live here as well. We just bless or ask that you uh look over us as we make decisions tonight for the city and its residents. And we just pray for everyone's safety to get home this evening. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you all for coming out on this nice [snorts] snowy night that we have. Um, right off the bat under announcements and public comments, we have uh two new firemen that were um excited to swear in tonight. So, Cameron Moore and Ethan Hurley

City of Franklin Fire Department. I swear to support the Constitution of the United States of America. I swear to support the Constitution of the United States of America, the Constitution of the State of Indiana. the Constitution of the State of Indiana and the rules and regulation of the Franklin Fire Department. The rules and regulations of the I swear to obey all lawful orders. I swear to obey all lawful orders of my superior officers and faithfully discharge of my superior officers faithfully dischargefully discharge the duties of my position to the best of my ability. the duties of my positions to the best of my ability. Congratulations, sir. [applause] It wasn't bad. [snorts] [snorts] I should have stayed in

[snorts] August. I've been hired as a firefighter for the city of Franklin Indiana Fire Department. I' been honored for the city of Franklin Fire Department. I swear to support the Constitution of the United States of America. I swear to support the Constitution of the United States of America. The Constitution of the State of Indiana. the Constitution of Indiana and the rules and regulations of the Franklin Fire Department of the rules and regulations of the fire department. I swear to obey all lawful orders I swear to obey all lawful orders of my superior officers of my superior officers and faithfully discharge the duties and faithfully discharge all duties of my position of the best of my ability. My position of my assessed position of myility. [applause] Great. Congratulations.

girls that told it was too bad pictures outside. [snorts] Thank you to the firefighters for coming to support your teammates tonight. Appreciate it. [clears throat] [snorts] As they ignore you. She got little one. She got a little little little one. I used to work I used to work with him in this cave when I got Yeah. Okay. Is there any other announcements or public comment that's not on the agenda? Hearing none, we will go on to the consent agenda. Move to approve the meeting minutes for November 17th city council meeting as presented. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? I. Okay. I think it's just the old business. Move to read old business by title only.

Second. We have a motion in a second to read old business by title only. All those in favor? I. Okay. Item number one, approval of ordinance number 25-09. And this will be a public hearing. An ordinance amending ordinance uh 2016-06 to regulate traffic, vehicles, golf carts, streets, sidewalks, trails, pre paved uh recreation or multiple use paths and public places. City attorney L Gray. Thank you, Mayor. And for purposes of introduction, as you know, this was introduced a couple of meetings ago and then uh the notice was published as it's required to do by the clerk treasur's office. This is a little bit different ordinance in in the sense that uh even though it's placed on the agenda approval of um let me give you the context by which this issue came to the city. um when INDOT uh is reconstructing State Road uh 31, as we all know, they are doing it. They are removing some of the traffic signals and they've changed the plans and that's completely within INDOT's jurisdiction. Um, there were some residents in Franklin Lakes that made calls to the mayor's office and the planning department wanting to know how they would be able to access raining city streets without going across 31 because the law only allows you to do it at stop lightss um or if they would be required to give up their golf carts. Um, there were some people that were for using a trail, but there were also people that were concerned about using the trail. So, the only way uh in speaking with the mayor um to really get this for to a public forum so people could discuss so that you all could make the decision was to bring forth a proposed amendment. The only reason I point that out is I don't want persons of the public to think that I'm advocating for it or against it. That's really your decision, but it was really the only way uh in accordance with the

uh mayor's desire to let's get it out here and let's talk about it. So, that's why it's presented in the way that it is. Um, if you're inclined to allow the use of the trail, the very specific part of the trail, then you would approve it. If not, then you would simply deny the ordinance. So, that's up to you. That's how it's formatted here. The appropriate thing to do is then have a public hearing to let persons who are either for it or against it uh express their views and then you can take it under consideration make your decisions. So, any questions of me? No ma'am. Thank you. Mhm. So, I think what we what I'd really like to do is start out and have Matt Maroy, city engineer, come up and and show what is being proposed and because I think there's a little bit of confusion. Yeah. If you could pull up the exhibit for everybody to see. It's kind of easy to go along with. So, I'll start while she's getting there. This is a challenging uh kind of task for me as an engineer. There's no standard procedure for trails and golf carts out there. So, this is kind of a upand cominging thing. I know recently Westfield and uh I don't know if it's Fisers or Caramel have passed ordinances allowing golf carts on trails. So, what I looked at basically uh was the quickest way we could get across uh 31 here at the Franklin Lakes subdivision. And really the only way we considered was the trail here. Um so uh what I did was I wanted to over oversign it basically uh make sure we had a lot of safety out there. Uh obviously to the extent of even use using road conditions as a guidance. Um as you can see I I'll just go through the signs that I added. I've got four no carts beyond this point. So those would be the

white signs that you see at both ends of the trail and where they go to the existing cemetery or existing trails over there by uh Blue Heron Park. I also have four golf carts sharing the trail signs uh including golf cart symbol sign. Uh those are also there near the park entrance and also down by the cemetery. Um, also there's eight horizontal alignment signs. So, anything to do with curves. So, you see the curve ahead, uh, the, uh, right and left curve arrows for under the bridge, uh, and then up there where it takes a hard left turn into the Blue Heron parking lot. I also included uh, and this was the challenge, uh, two cell solar powered beacons and two separate detector repeater units. They're not shown, but there's white text there by the bridge. So, what these what these signals will do, the beacons will be cross paired. For example, when the east detector is activated, the west beacon will light up and vice versa. So, basically, the repeater is picking up any kind of pedestrian or golf cart traffic, sending that signal to the other side of the bridge and letting people know that people are on the trail coming that way. Uh, no, sir. There'll be time for public hearing. Right now, we got to get this on the record. We'll address it at appropriate time. Also, I included uh yellow and white pavement markings to kind of denote the edge of the path and for the [snorts] center line of the path. And then I also included uh chevron and golf cart pavement marking there at the cemetery to direct traffic to the to the west. uh because we don't want golf cart traffic to go east along the Franklin Greenway Trail there. So that is what happened

with that exhibit. Uh obviously it is a lot of signs always room for error. So I mean if we want to add additional signs in the future uh as we monitor the trail uh that can also be done. And then I'll also point out uh some little trail facts. So there's approximately 21 miles of existing trails and shared use paths in the city of Franklin and this section affected by the ordinance is is is just 27 uh miles or 1400 ft. So wanted to keep it to a minimum uh was the really the best option we could come up with. Uh so yeah so really Matt [clears throat] of my inject if I can inject it basically that's the only option we have. Correct. Uh There is a a longer option that runs clear west through the park, Blue Heron Park, crosses up by the hospital into a subdivision, then traffic would all have to go all the way back 44 to cross there or on Jefferson Street, sorry, and cross at the light there. So, it's a much longer distance. So, I wanted to to affect the least distance of trail possible. And this is the best solution uh that I could come up with. But under that way, would they have to be on 144 and Jefferson Street? Uh 144 starts at the roundabout. Sorry. I meant on Jefferson Street on 44 coming out of that. Yes. Uh believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Which right now the golf cart ordinance prohibits that. Yeah. Correct. So and they would also have to cross over a a bridge of a a wooden bridge. Oh, correct. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. That wasn't a very good option. We didn't think at the time. [clears throat] This this is really clear clear as day the the option that worked the best for this. So thank you. Hey Matt, can the can the carts cross 31 now at once this is all done? Can is

there any place that they can actually truly cross 31 uh along that way? So like even to the north, can they cross 31 or is there So there were only two intersection that allowed through movements or three I believe. I'd have to look that up. Sorry, I don't have that information, but I think Jeff Street was one. And then at Commerce Drive, they're allowing through traffic there. Okay. There might be one other location that I'm not thinking of, but I can uh definitely look that information up. And that of course on 31 that's we're we're limited because that's statutoily mandated. Yeah, that's I I just That's correct. With the new up and [snorts] down J turns, I didn't know how well this going to be. It has to be a signalized intersection. Okay. Yeah. Hey Matt, with those repeaters, are those activated by sensor or by button? Sensor. Sensors. There was a button option. Uh, but I think with the sensor option, if the button option was pressed, that means both sides would be flashing at once. So, you wouldn't know if somebody's coming what direction. With the repeaters, it'll send a signal from the opposite side to let you know somebody's coming that way and vice versa. It was a little Yeah, I I thought it'd be the best option just because of how blind those turns are with the additional signs that I added. I think that was the best option to go with. I have seen these used before on golf courses mostly um where there are uh blind spots. So, they they are used. Actually, that's where I I thought of the idea because I played Tennessee and there's a one for a a steep hill that you press. So, people at the bottom of the hill, you know, when the people at the bottom of the hill are are gone off the course. So, [sighs] any other questions? No, for you can ask questions. Okay. Um, [clears throat] so I used to be a resident of Franklin Lakes. So, I just wanted to ask like if we're revising the trail, like adding all the stuff and the signs and things like that. I know that

trail like specifically underneath the bridge, it tends to get pretty flooded and especially since those like golf carts like they're pretty big and like they're machines. So like would we work on raising that up so it's not flooded as much or is it just we're adding the signs and the sensors? Uh with so this trail being next to Youngs Creek is entirely in a floodway. So any kind of cut or fill within a floodway would require an extensive permitting process. Uh and plus it's it's INDOT rightway to begin with. Uh so I doubt they they didn't like the trail in the first place. So to have it there is nice. Uh, so I doubt they approve of any kind of That's a great question because I I want to tell you that uh for the rest of the council members, um, when INDOT came through and had jurisdiction, we uh had Mark Richards and myself had to really work hard for them not to eliminate the trail entirely. Um, because their their basic policy is not to have trails under any of their bridges. They didn't want that. Um, but since we had had it there for so long and since it's such an integral part of our trail system to get us to the other, they did agree to to leave it. But any changes to it would be very difficult to secure because we don't want to lose it for at least the pedestrians. So I I will say on that point that our street department is really great. So I well so is our parks department. So, I hope maintenance uh cleaning off the trail like if it floods, we get I know we already get the mud off of it uh quickly after a flood. So, I just hope that's the same case for this. So, Matt, along with the markings um on the trail, will there also be like a curb to divide like like there is around the dog park when you're walking through? There's that

like concrete up about that high that separates the pedestrian from the traffic. Will there be something like that or no or just the paint just the painting? So again with the floodway with that being raised like that uh it would require the permit through DNR uh because you would be impeding that floodway. So okay and I don't know if the park over by the dog park ever got I'm sure they got permission to do that but maybe not. I can't [laughter] I can't answer that. I don't remember that one. Um, [clears throat] and I have another clarifying question. So, on the exhibit A where it's the trail and it's coming out towards the cemetery. Um, it says no carts beyond that point, meaning like no left turns. So, they would have to go right and then get to the street from that way. Yeah, there is no left turns because we don't want them going to Yeah. the the park, the Youngs Creek Park there uh on the trail system. We want them to utilize the cemetery roads uh to get out to uh South Street basically. Gotcha. Thank you. Uh one other question, Matt, here. Um, the way that the diagram looks like they're dividing the trail up, but from what I've looked at, there's only enough room for one golf cart and not really enough room for somebody walking or riding along the trail there. Okay. So, where I measured, a lot of the trail sections were 9 ft. So, my research uh came up with golf carts being a standard of 4ft width. So, with the two lanes, I was hoping, you know, uh, 4T 4T, there's 8 ft. You got the striping to keep you on a certain lane. Now, I didn't measure the entire trail. So, it's not saying that there might be a skinnier section here or there. Uh if that's the case, we could also look at, you know, stoning or

clearing some uh vegetation to make a little wider use or even stone shoulders is something we can add on that doesn't require uh any permission from DNA. [clears throat] Right. So again, that goes with monitoring how how this works out with the exhibit that we got proposed the box to protect. Yeah. Anybody else? Any questions? Any more questions? Okay. I think Matt, thank you. Yep. No problem. We'll Yeah, Mr. Mr. Mayor, we're sorry. A public hearing and we typically have allow 15 minutes for both sides. We don't have really technically remmonstrance, but 15 minutes for people that may be for it and 15 minutes against it. The council has the authority to extend you to those. I would just recommend that if you do extend them, you give equivalent time to both sides. So, okay. And and I would also add just for purposes of our records for the clerk treasur's benefit if you are going to speak if you'd sign in. Um that helps her records be correct. Okay. So we will open it up for a public hearing. Um I [snorts] would like to say that we would probably like to hear the ones opposing this first. Uh 15 minutes. So anybody wants to get up and speak, now's the time. Thank you. It's 15 minutes total, by the way, for everybody. So, good evening, mayor, member of the city council. My name is Dr. Kim Iser. I've been a resident of Franklin for over 20 years. I love the trail and I've been using it since we moved here. I run the trail through the Blue Heron almost daily. It's been an essential part of my running routine. I even trained for a marathon using the trail. It kept me off the b busy city streets and provided a

safe place to run. I'm here today to oppose to express my opposition to the proposed ordinance that would allow golf carts to use a portion of the Franklin Greenway Trail. When you pass the ordinance or the 2016 golf cart ordinance, it clearly stated golf carts were not to be driven on sidewalks or trails. This rule wasn't arbitrary. It was grounded in public safety and common sense. Golf carts can travel faster than walkers, runners, and cyclists, significantly increasing the risk of accidents and collisions. By established this ordinance, the city affirms that our community prioritizes the safety of pedestrians, runners, and cyclists who rely on these spaces for recreation and exercise. The section of the trail now being considered for the golf cart use is particularly concerning. As stated, it includes several sharp turns and curves. I'm not sure signage will keep me safe. This makes it difficult for golf cart drivers to see walkers, runners to avoid an accident. The trail is also too narrow in those spaces, barely wide enough for a single golf cart, which leaves no room for safe passage when a pedestrian are present. In fact, excuse me. In fact, the Daily Journal has already witnessed a golf cart being driven on that same portion of the trail. The driver went under the bridge and the staff member had to step off the trail just to let the golf cart pass. That's exactly the kind of unsafe situation the 2016 ordinance was designed to prevent. Another question we must ask is who's going to enforce the proposed ordinance? If golf carts begin using the trail, how will violations be monitored? Without clear enforcement, the rules will mean little and the risk to public safety will increase. Finally, we must re remember the original purpose of the Greenway Trail. It was designed as a safe and peaceful place for walking, running, and biking, free from

motorized traffic. If our residents wanted to exercise alongside vehicles, they would run in the city streets, not on the recreational trail. In conclusion, I urge the council to prioritize safety and uplift uphold the intent of the 2016 ordinance. Let's keep the Greenway Trail what it was always meant to be, a safe place for our community to walk, run, and enjoy without the danger or disruption of motorized vehicles. Thank you. Could you could you sign the Could you sign, please, so we make sure you get your name right? Well, we do it in blood. I'm kidding. [laughter] Can you put Well, we'll start a list, though. I just want to make sure our record's correct. Thank you. Yeah. I go after him. Sure. Make a line and I won't charge you for those minutes. Okay. My name is Michael Lexup. I'm actually a brand new resident of Franklin just uh having moved here in May. We've lived we lived 50 years in the Center Grove area. As an avid cyclist, I was quite excited to move down here with your trails. This is a very friendly community. From where I live, I go through there a couple times a week on my bicycle. I dread the thought of coming around the one of those curves underneath the bridge and coming face to face with a cart. There just no way it's wide enough to have a bicycle and a cart side by side. And if you've ridden a bike through there, when you turn around and go up the inclines, you're pedaling quite hard. If you suddenly come face to face with a cart, just stopping and getting off that bike safely is uh is going to be a little challenging. So, just I just wanted to make you aware of that. Besides the walkers and all that, cyclists, we use that a lot, too. And um we're going a little faster than the walkers and the carts are going a bit faster than us. And I can see there's going to be eventually head-on collisions or injuries to cyclists. So, I just wanted to make you aware of that.

Thank you. Thank you. And Brett's got a starting There you go. Thank you. and you wanted to speak next. Go ahead and Thank you. Good evening, council. My name is Lacy Ver. I've been a resident of Franklin for almost five years now and I have reached out to I believe all of you about my um opposition to this proposal. I'm coming today because I love the trail. It's one of my favorite things about Franklin. And as the doctor said earlier, a lot of people use this trail. They enjoy it for exercise, for enjoyment. It's one of the few places you can go around and not [clears throat] feel like you're going to get ran over by somebody. It's just very tranquil. I know a lot of people enjoy it. And even this morning, even though it was bitterly cold, I bundled bundled up and took my dog out on the trail because she was driving me nuts. [gasps] I really enjoy it. And like I said, one of the reasons why I enjoy it so much is that's one of the few places where I don't feel like I'm going to get ran over by vehicles. I understand that a part of the trail, only part of it is going to be accessible, but that part is a little bit treacherous. As I said, it's very narrow. two carts will have a really hard time going opposite directions, including pedestrians, people with strollers, and such. And I know I'm mostly speaking about my personal opinion. So, I did assign myself some homework. I reached out to 13 different parks around Indiana, and I'm going to go ahead and share some of that information. [clears throat]

And I apologize, I only have two packets to pass out. [snorts] As I said earlier, I reached out to different parks and wrecks and cities around Indiana. I went as far north as South Bend and as south as Evansville. Out of the 13 that I contacted, eight responded, five did not respond. Seven out of eight do not allow golf carts. One out of eight has a partial exemption. Muny. Um they do not allow it on city streets, but they do have an exemption for Prairie Creek if you are disabled and have a permit. That also includes um with the exception of that too, you can also not use the cart on pathways or trail if it will damage it. So you have the disabled exemption and for those that can use it with that permit, they do have to be cautious about if it affects or damages the trail. So with that in mind, it kind of supports that it's not very common for carts to be allowed on pedestrian trails. All the cities that I contacted, they mentioned that safety was obviously a concern. Part of it was also that concern about it damaging the trails itself and that it would diminish the enjoyment of the trails for the people that use it. So with that in mind, I'm not just only stating my personal opinion. It is something that is a concern and pretty much elsewhere in Indiana as well. Sorry, I'm getting very nervous. You might hear me stutter a little bit. Um,

so I wanted to share that information with you. I shared my personal opinion and I know a lot of people are probably thinking, well, what else would you propose if we can't use this part of the trail? Well, before this meeting, I would have proposed they would they would should have gone to one of I'm sure many meetings about the 31 project to advocate for access. Fortunately, that ship has sailed. So, I would ask that they ask INDOT or collaborate with you to find a different pathway that has not used the trail that pedestrians and cyclists use. So, besides that, I want to thank you for your time. Um, I'm going to let you guys keep those packets and I appreciate you letting me speak in front of you today. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] We still have [snorts] seven minutes if anybody else would like to add anything. Anybody else? Okay, we'll close the public hearing. No, sir. Yeah. For those that are opposed, if there's someone that's in favor, you're more than welcome to go up here and speak. Ma'am, did you get to sign the uh sheet there? Thank you. My name My name's Kevin Cooper. Some of you up there know me. Some of you out here know me. I'm a loudmouth. I'm not afraid to tell you how I feel. You might not like it, but number one, when [clears throat] Mayor McInness started this whole mess out here is what I call it. I understand the concept of it, but they didn't think about growing. There are some of us that have golf carts. And I'm going to be very honest with you, and if you want to give me a ticket, chief, go ahead. Ever since this construction has started, I

went under that bridge. Now, here's what is called common sense. [snorts] If somebody's on that path coming my way, I get off of it and wait for them to come by because it's just like a crosswalk. The pedestrians have the right away and that's how it needs to be looked. We that own golf carts, it's not fair for us to lose our right to be able to come over here. That's what we've lost by not being able to come by the park. I even once went out the back entrance of the park into that other addition and came around. Well, technically legally you're not supposed to drive on a road over 40 miles an hour and Jefferson Street that you have to drive on Jefferson Street and then I cut through the park to keep from being on the road and and causing a problem. So the only problem, the only way that this really I can see to be fixed is you come underneath the bridge. I mean [clears throat] the park system when when when it floods, they have that clean anyway. So that shouldn't be a big deal. If people would have common sense, we wouldn't have this problem. I am disabled. I'm 100% total impermanent from the service. I have that golf cart for me to get around because I get tired of driving in town. I can zip around on that quicker and get places. But you got to have you got to have respect for other people. That's what the whole thing is here. And I believe I could be wrong. Most of these people that are complaining about this little section right here don't even live in Franklin Lakes. I could be wrong, but we not only

[snorts] now we have Franklin Lakes, Winstar, and the Bluffs. There's only two entrances out of that whole addition for over over a thousand houses. And now you want us to take our golf carts and try to cross the street when you already play heck coming out of Franklin Lakes on to 31. So I I you know I love Mr. McGinness. I I thought he was the best. I take it he was your husband or is your husband. I [laughter] loved him. I I've I've talked I've talked to him and everything. uh this just was not thought of properly. If there's something that they could do to knock out a section of that uh meridian that they have up there like right by Franklin Lakes going over to the cemetery to where we could get through. But then we got the problem we're going to have to fight traffic. So the safest way to to me and a lot of these you got kids on them. Now I know it it's wrong. It law says 16 you got to have a driver's license. The law says you got to have a pass on it that says you got to have a sticker on it and a g and a golf cart doesn't go as fast as some of these scooters that you see riding. My golf cart will go 25 miles an hour and I [clears throat] have one from here in Franken. bought it from the Icon dealer. The people that don't have a golf cart are the ones that aren't thinking [snorts] and looking about the people that do have a golf cart. That's all I got to say. Thank you, sir. Please sign the sheet. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wants to speak in favor?

Okay. Well, I feel really unprepared because I didn't know everybody was going to almost have a written statement, but my name is Jennifer and I live in Franklin Lakes as well. I actually live in Bluffs, which is behind Franklin Lakes. Um, we bought our golf cart in April of last year. And by August, before the road was cut off, we put over 2,000 miles on our golf cart and it was purchased brand new. So that tells you how often we used our golf cart, leaving the neighborhood and visiting different restaurants and shops and just basically cruising the city to get out and enjoy Franklin. And unfortunately since August, we've not been able to do that. I do understand and respect the concerns that the opposition does have as far as safety. However, if it is, as explained in the exhibit there, well signed and lights at each side with sensors, to me that would make sense that it would be a safer situation than it is now. Currently, people if they're driving on it, there's no way to see around the corner. You don't know if someone's coming or not. We actually did have to take that route last year because our golf cart was having a malfunction and we didn't feel safe going across 31. We could only get up to 9 miles an hour. So, for the safety of ourselves and for anybody on 31, we didn't want to be in the way and we went under there. And I do understand it's a blind spot. I get it. But I do feel if those sensors act as they're supposed to act and people are paying attention when they're going through there, that shouldn't be a concern or an issue. Um, that's really all I have. It's just unfortunate for the people if this is declined and we aren't able to use that. I mean, I know first world problems, but we spent over $15,000 on our cart. We've had it for a year. There's no way I can recoup my money and sell that. And cruising my neighborhood isn't what I had in mind, unfortunately, when I made that purchase. Um, I was not aware of the project, unfortunately, when I did buy my cart. And while it's not the city's responsibility to inform

me of that when I registered my cart, no one had told me that. So I was under the assumption that when I registered it and paid to have that freedom to do that that I could use it. So unfortunately, you know, we're kind of at the mercy now on the decision of everybody else whether we can use that or not. So that is all I have. I thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else? Got a little time or is it We've got a little bit we can close the public hearing. Is there any anybody else? Going once, going twice. We'll close the public hearing. So, council have any questions, comments? Um, mayor, is it possible that uh uh Lynn can go through a current ordinance that we currently have that talks about what's allowed on trails, what's allowed on uh streets, what's not allowed. Can she give us an update on the current situation we're in? Well, there's a no motorized vehicles are currently allowed on any of our trails. Now, are they on there? Sure. Um it's an enforcement issue, but currently we've kind of got apples and oranges going on here. The ordinance that is before you um is the larger ordinance that just prohibits any motorized vehicle on trails and then changes this. We have a separate golf cart cart ordinance that is not being changed by that. That golf cart ordinance prohibits use currently on Jefferson Street. You're not supposed to have a golf cart on Jefferson Street, on any street that is over 40 miles per hour, and on any US highway. And that's the golf cart ordinance. We don't have an ebike ordinance. Um, some communities do, some

communities don't. Some have toyed with the idea. We do not have an ebike ordinance, but no motorized vehicle of any type is supposed to be on our trails currently. Can I interrupt? We've closed the public hearing, sir. Well, it's just about what she said. I got another point she didn't say. Also only cross that that's a different issue. I'm not going to get into a public where there's no light, but sir, we're not I've given you the legal answer to the question. We're not We're not looking at that tonight. That's not We're looking at this. They're all good rules. There's there's a golf cart ordinance that deals with our streets. And then there are state statutes that do not allow us to change our golf cart ordinance. So, you could not have a golf cart on 31 unless you are at a signalized intersection. And that's what's caused this problem. And the public hearing is closed, by the way. Um, any other questions from up here? Um, I have a couple, please. Um, Mac, do we have an estimate on the cost? Ballpark? I don't need an exact figure. Probably 30 40,000 for the stuff that we need to buy. 30 or 40 grand. Okay. And um Kirby, may I ask you how we're going to police this, please? Thank you, Todd. Um just be short with this. Uh you know, Kevin Kevin brought up a couple things when you talk about common sense and you know, respect for people walking out. We, you know, if everybody had that, I wouldn't have a job. So, [laughter] unfortunately, that's where we're at. Just be a matter of fact about it. But

when you talk about policing this trail, it's it's a constant. Um, the plan for this particular situation was we would assign either a bicyclist down there uh in the summertime because we'd have a bicycle patrol team and we have two officers now that are assigned downtown, one full-time, and then the other one rotates in and out. So, we would cover some of that based on this whether this ordinance passes or not. We are already enforcing these ordinances. And I I as we talked about this many weeks ago, um obviously we there's always risk of danger when you have golf carts on the street. I've lived in Franklin for 57 years. Uh we didn't have golf carts. Now we have them. So, we are in a place been in law enforcement for 35. So, we do have to patrol and we do have to work on these ordinances. And what what are we enforcing, what are we not? Uh, one thing I was talking about earlier with some of the council folks is the bigger deal we have is uh folks that want to ride around with small children on carts, people that are not licensed, people that leave the bars drinking and driving. Yes, we have had DUIs and pumpkin taxes on these uh golf carts, different ordinance violations. So, uh, to answer your question in short, Todd, we'll continue to force it best we can. Do we catch every person that runs a stop sign? Absolutely not. Um, are we going to catch all these violators? Absolutely not. As a police chief, can I stand up here and vouch to you that we're not going to have any accidents and nobody's going to get hurt? Absolutely not. Um, but we'll do the best job we can do with what we have and we'll work within the ordinance. Um, I personally am a bicycle a bicycler also and I've rode this many times. Um, and I and you know to get to one side of town, you do have to dip under there. There are some blind blind spots, but also as a police chief, the last thing I want to

do is have golf carts crossing 31. We've already had an accident on 31. Um, and that was not the golf cart's fault. That's an unattentive driver. Uh, run a red light and hit a golf cart. So no matter where you put the golf cart, there's always an opportunity for accident. You ride a bicycle, opportunity for accident. Thanks, Kirby. How about trail cams? Don't want to open up a can of worms, but is that a possibility? Uh yeah, we're actually um and not to get too deep in the weeds on that. We already have some cameras out in strategic locations and we have uh the ability to add more. We're looking at adding one down toward the amphitheater. I'll pick up some of that. I'd have to get with Matt if we're talking about putting something in that specific area. It's not out of the realm of possibility. You know, it cost maybe 4500 more dollars to do in order to write ordinances. Trail cams would be a problem. It would be problematic because of the proof proof issues that when you get into a court wall. Yeah. And one thing it's just more of a deterrent probably than anything. It it is more of a access for the officers. It's a tool. is probably not in Yeah. Yeah. And Todd, one thing I would say, I' I'd spoke with the mayor about this a couple times. When we started looking at golf cart permits, it amazed me how many that we actually issue. Uh from January to late October, we issued 219 uh permits for golf carts. Not to be confused with total number of golf cart um stickers that were issued and that are actually active right now. Current I should say uh folks do let these laps we are sitting at 408 currently registered golf carts in the city of Franklin. So if you look at the number of folks in the city versus golf carts that kind of gives you a little bit better understanding but all I can do as a police chief has vowed to do. I'm a

resident here myself. I've never lived anywhere else. So, we do the best we can do with what we got and nothing going to change about that. So, I have a question. I I know that Matt was pointing out the uh signs that he has out here. Will there also be some sort of like a speed to remind the golf carts how fast to go through here or I I mean, and I'm a little naive with the golf carts because I don't own one, but do they all are they all governored up to 25 or do they go faster or that I do not know, but yet I considered a the speed limit sign after the fact. I get how that could be an addition that would help out uh that didn't make this exhibit. So, it's it's one of those things that we can monitor and make sure that we get in place just make make everything safer. Yeah. And it just depends on the golf cart. Someone go up to 30, some of them don't have a speedometer on it, you know. Um mine does not have a speedometer on it. It'll only go 15, but it doesn't have it. You need an upgrade. I knew [laughter] I mean it would also be something I can look into because a lot of horizontal curves for cars have speed limit signs for curves. So, it could be something where we reduce the speed there uh under the bridge at those curves. So, it didn't make the exhibit, but it's something I've given thought to and if we need to could potentially add that in the future. Yeah, I think that could help. Yeah. And I know Matt and I talked about it, you know, possibly speed bumps and other things that we could, you know, use to, you know, make sure people are slowing down to go around those curves and things like that. But then it's trouble for walkers and strollers and, you know, so there's a lot of bicycles back and forth. uh with that. So again, as I mentioned earlier that there's no real design design procedure for something like this scenario. So things are going to come up that I might have missed. Uh but this is obviously the the oversighting that I could get to

and if we needed to add anything else uh in the future, then we move forward with it. So yeah, I have a unique perception of this because I own a golf cart. I do not take it to the west side of town for obvious reasons. Um, but I also run or have ran and I I ride a bicycle. So, I've used the trail a lot. U, but I will I will tell you that as a runner and a cyclist, I also run on the road and ride on the road and I've ran through the cemetery and walk through the cemetery many different times. I still have to avoid cars and I have to use common sense. And I know it goes back to common sense, Ker. You know, you'd be out of a job, but uh there is some common sense here. I I've had people speed by me on bicycles when I while I was running and with no heads up and I I you know, you wonder, could you have not given me some type of heads up? I'd be glad to get over to the right hand side, you know, um right side, you know, be polite, stay to the right, type of thing that we learned when we were young kids. Uh but uh you know I don't see another way to get those carts across there. I've gone out. I've walked it. I've surveyed it. I've called the mayor. I said, "Can we get it across at another intersection? It does not sound like that's a possibility." So it is um a tough decision. Um, safety is obviously a main concern, but you know, if we've looked at everything else, and if we do all these things, if we could just all play well in the sand together in a short period or short uh 1,400 ft, it certainly would uh be helpful. But I'm assuming that if we put all this in, we could certainly take it all back out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, pavement markings are going to be paint, so they wear away just like any roadway pavement marking.

and signs are breakaway at the base, so they're easily removable as well. Uh and and same with the solar powered beacons. We've removed them in front of schools like there would preschool. We've removed them placed elsewhere. So, yeah, they're definitely removable after the fact. Matt, I apologize if this has already been asked, but what's the range on the sensors? So, when a golf cart or a runner or someone comes within range of the sensor, when does it pick them up? I That's a good question. I don't know that off the top of my head. Okay. I I can obviously get that information to you, but Okay. Thank you. With those sensors, could there um I'm just thinking if somebody's already in there underneath and then somebody comes in, will the lights be like underneath the bridge so that way they know that if they're coming from Franklin Lakes and they're underneath the bridge already? You know what I'm saying? So that way they would know that there's somebody somebody coming or could be possibly coming around that corner if you've already passed that point where they sit. That's a good question and really we didn't account for that. Uh th those those beacons can be placed in a position I mean right now they're just placeholders on the exhibit but they could be placed in a way that can be seen under the bridge. And to go back to your your question, uh when I worked on getting these beacons, I actually just talked to the supplier uh and sent him this exhibit and he provided me with, you know, locations and everything like that. That would work out great to make those repeaters work. So, okay. Yeah, that that would be my with those if make sure that you have a runner or mom with a stroller underneath there and then a golf cart comes through and if they're already underneath the bridge that they could those sensors would go off underneath the bridge so they'd be seen or um and know that there's a golf cart coming there because if they've already passed it on the other side and you have a golf cart doing 20 they're going to meet you pretty quickly.

Sir, was there anything that like if there was a someone who was abusing the system, something would reach out and just smack them in the head real quick as you're going down through there? I think that might be an option. I'd pay for that one. You might want to market that idea. There's a lot of places that would work. Let a tree overgrow. [snorts] Okay. Is there any other questions? Mayor, I don't have any other questions other than the fact that um after this vote is taken, I think um the city needs to address the ebike situation and and take another step once this decision is made that we look into motorized skateboards, uh any other motorized vehicle that's on our streets because we have multiple other uh things on our street that's not golf carts, uh unicycles, motorized unicycles. I've seen it all. So, I I think once this is determined what yes or no, then we need to take that additional step to uh clean that up and uh discuss that at a later date. Okay. Thank you, Kenny. Yeah. Anybody else? Okay. Hearing nothing else, I think we're ready for a motion one way or the other. got six. I'll make a motion to deny. Okay, so we have we have a motion to deny. Is there a second for that? I'll second it. Okay, we have a motion and a second to deny. So, Chan, can we do a roll call vote, please? So, to clarify,

when I call your name, you are going to say that you are for the denial. It's for denial. For denying it. That's correct. Okay. And we need four to have official action one way or the other. Yes. All right. Uh, Mr. Austin. Uh, no. Mr. Shuck, no. Miss McGinness, yes. Ms. Nally, no. Mr. Prime, yes. Mr. Taylor, no. So, motion to deny was not did not pass. Did not pass. [laughter] Right. It was denied. A negative. Okay. So, I think we need a motion to approve. Correct. That would be the next logical step. [laughter] And if you don't take and if you don't have four one way or the other, then it gets tabled till your next meeting. You have a seven member board. I'll make a motion to approve the golf cart and walkway path through under the bridge. Well, your motion is actually to amend the ordinance. Oh, as presented, correct? Yes. I'll make I'll make a motion to amend it. Um, let me get up here. The ordinance 25-09 for approval. For approval. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Again, Jan. So again, this time you are voting to. Thank you. Pass. All right. Mr. Austin. Yes. Mr. Shuck. Yes. Miss McGinness, no. Miss Nally, yes. Mr. Prime, no. Mr. Taylor,

yes. Okay. So, the motion carries. Correct. Yes. Um to approve the ordinance, the amendment of the ordinance for two. Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you. And I and Chief, we talked about this real quick. Uh, Chief Cochran on the enforcement. We have been talking about this for some time now. Can you elaborate just a little bit more on the enforcement on on I know you talked a little bit about what you're seeing there, but we have also talked about how you're going to start enforcing the ordinance that we're seeing that happened this summer with a lot of with two new golf cart businesses here in town. It seems like the infractions have been more and it hasn't went unnoticed. As you said earlier, you did the police did arrest some for a owi or something. Yes. So, what happens obviously when you put uh golf cart shops in town, obviously the sales increase. So, that's why we saw, I believe, a spike during the summer months when the second hurricane golf carts came in. Uh so what we did uh on our end is uh the mayor and I had a meeting but we actually went out to uh both locations Franklin golf carts hurricane golf carts and we issued them uh these affidavits in support of golf cart registration. It's the exact document that anybody that comes and registers. I know some of you guys have them. Um, they would get this document [snorts] and it basically lists everything that the golf cart's required to have all the way down to rearview mirror, turn signals, all those things that'll I don't want to bore you with. Then secondarily, you're going to end up with two of these decals. Uh, and we took these documents and everything with us. We also took a copy of the city ordinance, which obviously we'll go back

out and do that now. uh again once this is approved denied wherever we end up at. But to give some of the numbers, I did give some earlier. We did have uh two DUIs uh this past year. Uh we had um a couple different public intoxications. That would be just somebody coming out uh from a bar somewhere getting on a golf cart. Um, prior to riding, uh, we had, uh, three to three or four, it looks like, uh, juveniles with, um, no license, no permits, underage, all those things. And we had several, as I had mentioned earlier, were small kids on golf carts or no seat belts. Um, what that looks like on paper is the first offense uh, starts out with a city ordinance of a 50 $50 fine, then it goes to 100, and then it's 500. At that 500 mark, the golf cart's towed and potentially could be seized uh depending upon the offense, whether it's a city ordinance or violation such as a DUI on a golf cart. Same thing as DUI on a moped um or anything of that nature. So, the plan for enforcing obviously uh we didn't know if this thing is going to pass or not. We have discussed it at the department. We do have the downtown officer that we we talked about earlier. In the summer months, it makes it a little bit easier. Obviously, there's not a lot of golf carts out right now. We've just uh assigned one of the bicycle patrol guys to go through there. Um, all of our guys that are on the bicycle squad can also take their bikes with them when they're on patrol. They just strap them on the back. Um, and it would just work out a rotation where they could hop off and ride there. Again, make no bones about it. I would never stand up here and tell anybody that we're going to be able to catch every violation. We can't. Uh we're a limited police department. Um and we do uh it's one of the highest call volumes of the police department anywhere u in the county to be honest with you. Uh just because of we have a lot of

residents, we'll have a lot of housing and u fortunately we uh are blessed with a lot of good citizens. So our problems are minimal, but we do have a lot of runs. We had a lot of crashes and different things like that. So we will do what we can do to monitor. Uh we've discussed it. has been discussed for a while and the mayor and I've had many discussions about it. Again, please don't leave here thinking that we're going to catch everybody. We're not. And also, I just want to add that this won't go into effect until we have all the signage up and the the signals up. And so, just so everybody here and you're watching this on on YouTube, it's it's not going to take effect yet. We need the signage in place and all the safety mechanisms there before it happens. So, we also have to publish it again because it includes fines and collection of fees and things. So, you have 30 days within that time frame to get those signs up. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Chief. Okay. We'll go on to new business. Move to read new business by title only. Second. Second. We have a motion and a second to read by title only. All those in favor? Hi. Okay. Uh, item number one, presentation from students who went to national park trip. Dustin Huddleston, you guys picked a good night, right? A snowy night [laughter] with a busy agenda. Busy agenda. So, good experience. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. Dustin Huddleston, uh, president of Franklin Education Connection. And Mr. Mayor, you're right. Uh, we have students here tonight. It's probably been their first council meeting, so it's been a good education for him. So, it's kind of a side uh benefit to this. Um, as you all know, Franklin Education Connection has a

great partnership with the city of Franklin. Uh, we've worked directly with the city to provide opportunities for students, uh, and also our, uh, teachers. Franklin Education Connection has four main uh programs. Grants to teachers where we give money directly to teachers after our fundraising efforts and donations like the city of Franklin. We also have two mentorship programs, the elementary through middle school and then also the high school. Uh and the fourth one is we try to uh get students on either uh study abroad trips but also our first trip to national parks. If you remember, I've been in front of you and we've sent students over to Europe and also to Japan uh through the efforts of Greg Moore and his wife Tomio. Uh but we thought more about it and said, why don't we figure out a program to send kids in the United States because the travel abroad even though we work to offset the cost to help subsidize it is still big and the kids also have to get a passport. So if they want to do that, we wanted an opportunity to provide them somewhere in the United States and we tried to figure out a way how can we make uh the trip uh based on a certain thing that's unique to the United States when we came up with national parks. So, we had our first trip in June of this year and through our uh great sponsors uh donations uh Dave and Bobby Amin, Davis Electric and Baston Logan, we were able to offset the cost and keep it a minimal uh for the students who went and uh spent about a week in Utah and visited four national parks. Uh we flew them all out there. We had two excellent chaperons who are here today. Macy Mer who's a teacher at Franklin Community High School and also Jennifer Rodman who's a counselor at the high school. So they were uh great to go and and uh

shepherd these students through that. So without you hearing me anymore, I want you to hear directly from the students about this uh process. So I want to thank you guys all again for this opportunity. This is what we're using your guys' funds for and I think it you'll see it was a great opportunity for the students. All right. So, I want to introduce myself. I'm Macy Mer. I'm a science teacher at the high school. And I'm Jennifer Rodman. I'm the school counselor at the high school. And we were lucky enough and thankful enough to chaperon this trip. We're going to hand it over to the students. So, they're going to kind of go day by day and tell a little bit about their experiences. There's one slide that shows you all the students. You go to the next slide. U we have two seniors who graduated and then we'll have each of the students introduce themselves as they talk about each of our days. Um, hello. My name is Ella. Um, so we started with Capitol Reef and it was an easier yet still challenging trail after a long day of traveling. All the landscape looked surreal and we all took our fair share of photos in front of the gorgeous landscape. After our 4.5 miles out and back, we headed to a little pie shop and enjoyed some homestyle pies and the rainy weather began. We stayed in Sightsaw for a little bit and saw some petetroglyphs and wild mu deer in the fruit trees. Before hail started, we went into the gift shop and found some goodies before our rainy car ride back. Hello, my name is Holland Beck. I'm a sophomore at the high school. Uh we start off day two with about a one and a half hour van ride from our hotel in Bryce Canyon to Zion National Park. We started off by renting our waterproof boots and walking sticks and went into the park and got on a shuttle which took us to the trail head of the Narrows

where we took about a onemile hike on dry land until we got to the Narrows. Um it was pretty hard to get used to the water flowing directly at your feet and the slippery rocks that we had to walk on. It was definitely a run for your balance and there were definitely uh sections where the water was all the way up to your chest. So that was hard to get used to. Um uh we walked about four miles um onto the into the Narrows and stopped and ate our lunch and took the four miles back um and the one mile back on dry land to the shuttle where we went back to the main entrance of Zion. Um, we returned our boots and walking sticks and spent about 30 minutes looking at all the different souvenir shops. Um, after that we took another shuttle to the nearby town of Springdale where we found a pizza restaurant with an art gallery underneath. So, we ended off our day with some pizza and looking at some local artwork before the van ride back to Bryce Canyon. So, I want to know how did the boots work whenever the water was up to your your [laughter] chest there? So, they didn't really more They're more to protect your feet than anything. That's awesome. Hi, I'm Max Honeyut. I'm a sophomore who had their trip paid for via scholarship. And um sorry, on the third day, we went to the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area. The drive there from the Bryce Canyon Hotel was roughly 2 hours there and it was within Arizona and it was roughly a 2-hour drive back. I'd say the heat was about 90 to 95 degrees and it was a dry heat. Obviously had to put on some sun

sunscreen. I'm sorry. Um, our first trip was to the horseshoe bend which was so beautiful and it had this um massive overlook area which had a horseshoe lake at the bottom and there were these colorful boats at the bottom. You were so high up they just looked like ants and um you could see just for miles. It was so beautiful. And then um after that we went to the Hayen Gardens which was about a half mile uh to that destination. We stayed there for about 30 minutes eating some lunch. And one thing I would like to note is that it noticeably dropped temperatures when we entered that area uh because of the shadow shadows and it was very relaxing. It was about half mile walk back. Um, and then after that we drove to Antelopee Canyon. Um, hi, my name is David Strait. I'm a junior at Franklin Community High School and in we went to Antelope Canyon um in the afternoon of day three in which we went to Paige, Arizona. And when we got there, we took a Sherlock bus off-roading towards the actual canyon itself in which we had a tour guide lead us through the canyon, giving us information about how the canyon was formed and how it was changing over time. And the hike was about 1 to two miles. It was pretty short, but very entertaining to be inside of the canyon. Then after we got done with the hike, we went back on the shuttle um to Page, Arizona, where our van was and took the long to our drive back to our hotel. Hello, my name is Trevor Berger and I a

senior at Franklin Community High School. Um, our final stop was Bryce Cannon and it was very fun and adventurous and probably my most favorite part about the entire trip. Um, it started off with this driving a little ways into the park. We stopped at the shop andformational center where there we bought some goodies. I bought myself a shirt and after we looked over the park a little bit, we walked out, went back to our van who was named Vangelina Jolene for the whole trip [laughter] and we found a better suited parking spot that allows us to basically storage it there for the couple of hours that were about that were ahead of us. After that, we got on a shuttle bus which then drove us to Sunrise Point and there we started our long and rewarding hike. Um, we were in the upper rim of Bryce Canyon where we got to look out into the canyon and that allowed us to see this absolutely gorgeous view. Um, we saw these tall rocks called hoodoo. Um, and we saw into the canyon where there was every now and then a person would like stick their head out and we'd see them. They they were really small. Um, we continued the hike and after that we landed on Sunset Point where instead of ending the hike there and going somewhere else in Bryce Canyon, we decided to hike down into the cannon which was which was difficult but very fun, very gorgeous and very rewarding. The hike lasted around 4 hours having us hike up and down a lot of hills. And at the very end of the hike, we hiked up this very steep hill and it it took a while, but it was very fun and rewarding. Um, my favorite part about the whole hike. Um, after that we were near Sunrise Point again. Everyone gathered water, drink, and drank it and some food and

they ate it there. And then because of how tired we we were, we decided to just head back to our hotel where then for the rest of the night we'd play games and we'd bond with each other as friends. We ended off most of our hiking days with um snacks and water and playing cards and talking. [laughter] Pull that slide. Oh yeah. Um, my favorite thing was just seeing all the wildlife out there that I obviously wouldn't see in Indiana. Um, one of my favorite memories was when we first got to um, Utah. We went to Walmart to get all of our lunches for the rest of the week. And um, some of us bought um, room temperature chicken in a bag to eat with tortillas. [laughter] [snorts] Um, my favorite part about the trip was having the just the experience to go out there in general because we don't have experience like experiences or opportunities like this very often. So, it's nice to have those while we're in high school and still growing. My favorite part of the trip was uh when you're at Zion National Park was um waiting through the water. Honestly, I thought it was a lot of fun just going through the water. The trip was the most fun I had in a long time. I made some extremely memorable memories and my favorite part about the entire trip was the absolute gorgeous views I managed to see on the trip.

I think all of them could say that they had a really great time on our trip. They all kind of said at the end they would love to go back and go see more parks and and do the whole trip again. They wanted to stay longer but unfortunately we could not. So yes, it was a good opportunity for them to meet other students that they had not met and also go out and see the world. Um not many of them had traveled some of it on the international trip but I think it was a good stepping stone for them to get out and see the world. So we thank you. Thank you. [applause] Always appreciate that, Dustin. Okay, we'll go on to the next item. Uh, permission to line item transfer $12,000 from parks 200 to parks 300 to cover utility expenses for the remainder of 2025. Director of Parks and Recreation, Chip Her. Thank you, sir. It's not often that a council meeting is dominated by parks and trails and [laughter] I actually appreciate that. So, most of them are leaving, but I was going to say before I get started that um we are taking applications at the parks department for the summer. They would love to spend the summer in the parks. We would love to have you. [laughter] uh this is just uh moving uh $12,000 that we have left in 200 to 300 to cover utility expenses for the month of December really. So so it's not creating new money and we can't approve this tonight. Nope. Just moving moved to approve budgetary ordinance 255. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Next item, permission to line item transfer 21,000 from police pension professional services 8802-00001-300

to police pension dependence 8802-00001-113 to cover pension payments for the remainder of the year. Clerk treasurer Jan Jones. Yeah, very similar to what Chip just explained. This will get us to the end of the year. This was just a miscalculation by a prior um payroll clerk. So it was just a human error on our part. So this is just to get us through the end of year. Move to approve budgetary resolution 25-06. Second. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? I. Okay. Thank you. There isn't any other business. We'll go right to council member comments. And Keegan, we'll just start with you. It's probably the longest city council meeting I've ever been at. We spent around an hour talking just about golf carts. So definitely an experience. Um FMC we've been doing a lot of good stuff. Um we our progress on the dog bowls like for the trails has been halted because of the obviously the snow and the weather and it's cold out. So, we don't want our members getting frostbite while surveying the stuff. But, I believe we did a survey a couple months ago that went pretty well. But otherwise, we just finished up our peanut butter and jelly food drive competition that we hosted with the Interact Club um against them actually. So, I think we won that. We did win that. Thank you. Um, and then right now we are selling cookies at the high school in the morning for I think a dollar or something like that just to bring a little bit of holiday cheer to the students of FCHS. So, lots of stuff in the works that um we're thinking about. We've tried a new approach to FMLC this year. We've broken up into committees to try and get some more stuff done. Um, we're also going to be

participating at the winter market. So, um, we'll be selling baked goods there. So hopefully anybody watching on YouTube or anybody in this room will come visit us during that and other than that no further comment. Thank you Keegan. It seems like with the youth there's a lot of food theme like all they talked about you talked about. Yeah. Oh yeah. Food. It's just the best. Okay. All right. Irene. No. Nothing for me tonight. Todd, I'm not sure that I was that comfortable speaking behind a mic like you are at that age, but you do a very nice job and I'd recommend that there'll be no dog bulls on that 0.27 miles of the trail underneath the highway if you don't mind that. It's all good discussion tonight, Mayor. Uh, great questions and uh it was um tough decision. So, educating. Thank you, Sean. Nothing tonight, sir. Ken, nothing. and nothing. Thank you, Josh. Well, yeah, we're coming to the end of this year and I just want to thank everybody in the city that's had anything to do with, you know, committees, um, and everything everybody's done to make the city great and everything. So, all our employees, appreciate them. Thank you, Josh, Jan, Tara, Lynn. Safe travels. I have nothing. Everybody be safe. Move to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor? I. Okay. Thank you.