City Council - Regular Meeting

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Yeah, we've been dealing with this. It's all in the back, so you can't hardly see it. Okay. Good evening, everyone. Hi. It is 6:00 p. a.m. March 2nd, 2026. It is time to call the city council meeting to order. Miss Jones, roll call, please. Mr. Austin, present. Mr. Sh here. Miss McInness here. Miss N here. Miss Price here. Mr. Prime here. Mr. Taylor here. Mayor, you have a Thank you. Mr. Brian Reese, could you lead us in prayer and pledge, please?

Absolutely. Invite everyone to join me. Our father, we come before you this evening and we thank you for the privilege again of being here together in city hall. Pray for the items on the agenda tonight. Give wisdom and discernment to our counselors as they consider the items that are there as they make wise decisions and considerate decisions both for our city now and for its future. And Lord, we lift up our armed forces right now. Pray that you would protect those who are uh serving in our armed forces. Uh keep them safe as they're involved in this conflict in the Middle East. and uh we ask your uh blessing both here in our city, our state, our nation, and uh we ask your blessings tonight. It's in your name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you.

Stand and say the pledge together if you would place your right hand over your heart. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. May be seated. Thank you, sir. Okay. Is there any uh announcements or public comments that does not pertain to the agenda? Seeing nobody move forward, we will move on to the consent agenda. Move to approve the meeting minutes from the February 18th city council meeting as presented. Second.

Okay. We have a motion to second. All those in favor? I. Okay. Thank you. We will go into old business which all of this is public hearing tonight. Uh first item approval of budgetary ordinance 26. My put my glasses on. Mayor, do I need to move read old business by title only? You do. Thank you. Second. Okay. Mr. Austin made a motion to read by title only and Sean made that second I believe. So all those in favor? I I.

Any opposed? Okay. Okay, hearing none, we'll go on to item number one, approval of budgetary ordinance 26-03, additional appropriation to donation of the park senior center services director of parks and recreation, Chip Horner. Good evening. Here again, uh let me explain to you uh what this is just in case anybody in the public's interested too. Um if you recall, we got a million-dollar donation from Paul Jocelyn for uh the active adult center. This is uh the first distribution from that fund. The reason it's so high, because it normally won't be this high, so don't everybody get excited. The reason it's this high is because we earmarked $200,000 of that money to buy two new buses. If you recall, we have purchased those buses. Now, Brett's not here, but thank you to our fleet maintenance director, uh Brett, he went out and found us great deals on two uh buses that we now own at the active adult center. This is the proceeds that was left from that. So, this isn't even our first interest um check off of it. This is basically what we had left over from purchasing those two buses. Normally, we'll get interest off that 800,000 that's left plus this. So I want to make sure that was clarified to everybody. I don't know if I did a good job of that last time or not. So

and Chip, I think just anecdotally, you told me that that the interest itself will probably run their programs for years and years and years. Correct. For when you say the programs though, let's clarify. I don't know if it'll run all their programs, but it's going to knock a dent out of it. It it'll make a huge dent. Yes.

Because we're going to create all kinds of new programs, too, obviously with with this newfound money. Okay. So, with that being said, this is a public hearing tonight. So, we'll open it up for public hearing in case there's anyone in the crowd that wants to ask a question of Chip or the council. So, any questions? Hearing none, we will close the public hearing. And now we're ready for action on this end. Move to approve. Second. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor by saying I. I. I

any opposed by saying I. Okay. Thank you. Um we will go on to the next item. Actually the next three items item two, three and four are all related. Uh they was all introduced February the 18th. Um we will have Miss Joanna Tennel if you will lead us through that. We'd appreciate it. And why while Joanna approaches and and explains to us our process and what we're doing here tonight, um typically for public hearings of these types, what we do is we allow 20 minutes per side. Generally, the petitioner will stand up and speak for 15 minutes and withhold five minutes for rebuttal. Then we allow anybody who is either an interested party or a remmonstrator to have an equivalent 20 minutes themselves and then we go back to the rebuttal. So, I'll keep time when that time comes. [cough]

Good evening. So, sorry. As the mayor had indicated, there are obviously I don't do this very often, so apologize. There are three items on the agenda this evening which is ordinance 20263 for the annexation to be known as um Barker Lane annexation 2026 of 130 acres and also the approval of resolution 20262 of the fiscal plan. The companion pieces with the annexation um includes ordinance 20264 for the reszoning to be known as Umbberger Lane Woods resoning 2026 53 acres. Um and then also ordinance 20265 which resoning to be known as Umbarger Lane tillable acreage zoning reszoning 2026 77 acres. So, just wanted to kind of introduce all those at one time because most of the information that'll be presented this evening, both my myself and the petitioner, um applies to all of those as a package. Um so, this property is located at the northeast corner of Umbar Lane and County Road 75 South. The plan commission forwarded a favorable recommendation for annexation on January 20th, 2026. The proposal with the reszonings for the 53 acres, which is basically the current wooded area, um is to reszone it if annexed to agriculture. and then approximately 77 acres which is uh the tillable acreage which is the southern portion to residential suburban 3 with commitments.

Um those commitments are attached to the ordinance and includes items one through 20. So there are a number of commitments that are being proposed with this includes commitments to trail system, proposed amenities which is recreational play area, uh picnic area with shelter. Um, also that currently the RS3 zoning standards would be that the minimum lot width of R3 is 50 ft and they are committing to a minimum of 60 ft with a minimum of 60% of the lot actually conforming to the RS2 standards as outlined in our zoning ordinance. Um, in the staff report that's attached on page two of it includes a chart that shows what the current development standards are as it remains in the county. the standards for the property that will be zoned agriculture and then um for the residential portion 40% would be RS3 with a commitment of 60 ft in width instead of 50 and that the minimum ground living area would be increased to 825 for 60% of the lots. The standards would have to meet the RS2 standards, which would be a minimum of 10,000 square feet in area for the lot. Minimum lot with the 75

setbacks of 10 front, no 20 front, 10 side, 20 rear, and the minimum living area of being 1,600. They also are proposing the commitment um minimum ground floor living area being 825 square feet. Also, as you recall from the last meeting, we went through just a brief exercise of what would be commitment number 14 on the page of Cambury Hills zoning commitments. I did want to go through that a little more in depth. So, what we're going to be looking at is a singlestory house in the Arbor series, a two-story house in the Arbor series, a single fam or single story in the Silverthorn, and twotory in the Silverthorn. So, the Bradford is one of the most popular products that is being built in Franklin.

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Um, as mentioned in the last meeting, singlestory and one and a half story dwellings has a couple of extra ways to gain points that will not apply to two-story structures. And that would include they would be able to get an extra point if the gable is full brick or dormers are added. Um for both the minimum requirement would be to get four points to just go through them. Tutor style is two points. First story full brick or stone is two points. Brick or stone Waynecott is one point. Vertical sighting, horizontal siding, board and batten siding and shake sighting is also qualify as one points. So each structure would have to meet uh four points. So looking at the Bradford uh this these are three elevations of the same structure and these would not meet the requirements. The way this gets applied for example on elevation A here it would have one point for the brick WCOT and one point for the horizontal sighting. These three would also not meet the requirements. Um, for example, on this one, they would not get two points for one story or the first story being full brick because this portion is horizontal siding. If they did change that to brick, which would be easy to do, they would still only have three points. So that would have been two with the added horizontal siding the way it is currently. Um, so that would be three total. I'm sorry. As it currently sits, it would only be

two. So I did want to get to an example. So these are three examples of ones that would meet the requirements. So for example on this one it would be one point for the Wayne Scott one point for the horizontal sighting one for [snorts] baton board and batton and then one for cedar shake. So that' be a total of four. And you can see the difference in the appearance of these versus the previous ones. I'm going the wrong way. There we go. So, these would not be able to be built with those facads and these would. So, it's definitely a different character. Um, any of those that are marked not marked in green would not qualify for the twotory and the arbor. None of these would qualify. Same um point system applies. So this one have one point for Waynecott, one point for horizontal sighting. That's only two. These are three of the same home of elevations that would qualify and could be built. Uh includes one point for Waynecott, one point for horizontal sighting, one point for board and batten, and one for Cedar Shake. So that's four. The other thing to um I guess make known is they are committing to the siding materials on all elevations

would have to be brick, natural or engineered stone, natural or engineered wood or cement fiber board. So, uh, vinyl sighting is not an approved product for these homes should this get approved. So, on the Silverthorn side, one-story house. So for example in this one you would have two points for the first story being brick, a point for the full gable and brick and a point for horizontal siding as opposed to one point for brick Wayne's got one point for horizontal siding. Definitely has a different appearance similar here. So you can see how the point system changes the aesthetic value of the structures. Any structure that's a tutor, which is similar to this, or a craftsman, um, also gets two points. And for a twostory, which is the Monroe as an example, this one would only have three points. This one does meet the four point because you get two for the full brick on the first floor. One point for the horizontal sighting and one point for the board and batten. Two stories do not get an extra point for full brick in the gable. So these are just kind of you know examples of the application of the point

system um because we have not done this ever before but I think it does show a representation of what the difference would be when it's applied. Also included in the commitments is requirements regarding exterior color and then also anti- monotony. That way you don't have the exact same home just in a row continually. So that's just a brief overview of those commitments. Um the item [clears throat] that will be the only thing that can be official action taken this evening is the fiscal plan. So the fiscal plan that you have in your hands this evening uh has a lot more information provided um basically because SE1 bill has changed a lot of the taxing and the local income tax. So there's a lot more financial analysis that needs to be taken in consideration with all those changes. So we did have Peters and Franklin Ltd um provide this annexation fiscal plan. According to state law, there are nine sections that are required to be provided for each annexation. So those would be um listed in the contents. One of them includes the cost estimate of what the development would potentially cost the city to provide our services to. And for an annual estimate, it came out to $624,565.75. Um, and then the other item that goes

along with that is how much the city of Franklin would be expected to receive in taxes or fees. Um, based on Franklin Peter's estimate of 121 of the lots having a homestead value of 450, which would be the 60% of the homes. Um, 81 lots with a homestead value of 375. the anticipated annual property tax revenue would be 308,566. Um he then goes into an analysis of how the low-inccome tax would be app no local income tax would be applied provides an estimate also the additional um road funds that would be generated and there's one more thing and building permit fees sewer impact sewer connection fees and then also no park impact fee. So, the proposed or estimated taxes that we would receive based off of these assumptions comes out to $648,033, which is a little bit over what the anticipated cost would be for the neighborhood. In addition, you would have the building permit fees that come in a little over 100,000. Um sewer connection fees about 540,000. The park impact fee approximately $503,000 for an anticipated onetime revenue of $1,144. No 1,144,128. All the information is in here that is required by Indiana code, which also

includes the breakdown of going between the different taxing districts of where it currently is to the city's taxing district. The current ownership, the assessed value um as of re as of today, which is assessed at $218,500. That's for the entire 130 acres. Um, and then also the owner of the parcel being Palladium Properties LLC. So, that is the one item that can be uh official action being taken on and that's resolution 2026-2. I know there's been a lot of conversation and comparison of homes within Franklin and just in looking at Bluffs at Youngs Creek and Westwind at Cumberland which are both currently Arbor series um with the similar size lots. Their assessed values have ranged from 274,000 to 577,000. the majority of them are running into the high 300s and low 400s based off of information. Um, the reason I point that out is those structures do not have any architectural standards. So, they have vinyl sighting. They don't have the anti- monotony. Um, so just as a comparison since that is something that we keep hearing, but it's ready for the petition. Joanna, I know you said the fiscal plan, but we will have a public hearing on all of it today.

Correct. Then the only action the council will take will be to either adopt or not adopt the fiscal plan. Correct. And then the final vote on the rest of the things depending upon that will be at our next public hearing or at our next public meeting, not no longer a public hearing. Correct. Correct. That is correct. Okay. And that meeting date is March 16th by the way. Correct. for me, Mr. Prime. Thank you.

Good evening. For the record, Eric Prime, Van Vayor Law Firm, representing the petitioner, Arbor Holmes this evening. Uh, this project was before you last year. uh did not make it past the fiscal plan stage. So, uh Arbor kind of uh regrouped and had some more meetings. They realized that the council was not uh 100% enamored with that plan and so they went back to the drawing board and are back here this evening to talk with you at this public hearing about uh not only the fiscal plan but at least for tonight also discussing the annexation of the 130 acres and the reasonzoning of that acreage if you so choose uh to annex. Uh Joanna did a a fine job of explaining where this was and you may recall it's the blue outlined area. Uh it's about 130 acres. None of this has changed. It's the exact same site uh as the prior site. And as you can see the north section of that about uh the northern third or so is heavily wooded uh and some wetlands. So that's not going to be developed. That's going to come in as part of the annexation, but it's going to be reszoned just a straight a. remainder that's the tillable acreage that you can see there is the part that will be developable and will be uh that we're seeking to uh reszone to residential. This is now the current plan uh and I will compare them side by side but the uh yellow areas are the silverthorn areas and the orange areas are the arbor uh series and there is now a uh a large central park in the middle of the facility. Uh the prior plan, and I'll show you in just a second, had multiple uh pocket parks that were scattered throughout, but now there's uh one large park in the middle with uh with some trails and and amenities. So, here is uh side by side the the plan on the right is the prior plan that we

were here with you uh previously, and you can see the main difference, a couple of them. One of them is that the Arbor homes and the Silverthorn homes were uh integrated. they weren't separate areas and so you had uh again the sort of pink and the yellow on the right side uh were all within each other. Now, the way we have this planned now on the left is that as you enter from Umbberger Lane or from the south, you will enter into Silverthorn and that's what you will mostly see from the road uh from either of those roads. Uh and then the Arbor product will be up closer to I65, which is kind of the slanting area coming down on the on the right side of that plan. Uh so what has not changed? It's still 130 acres. It's still about 53 acres coming into a. It's still about 77 acres coming into residential. Uh it also uh still has all of the commitments and conditions that uh Joanna referenced uh from the prior iteration. Uh and it's with all of those that uh it received a favorable recommendation from your plan commission and also with staff's support. What [snorts] has changed is uh that the plan on the right was 216 lots. The plan on the left is now 202. And the Silverthorn section or the amount of Silverthorn homes has gone up to 60% of the total uh development and those lots will be 75 ft uh in width which is in keeping with your R2 RS2 rather than the RS3. Uh so that's a 15% increase of the Silverthorn side and a 14 lot decrease in total density. The prior density was 2.8 2.81 units per acre. The current density with the plan

on the left is 2.62. [snorts] Um the Arbor homes, the orange homes will probably run from the high 300s into the 400s, mid 400s. the silverthorn product, the yellow product will be mid 400s up into the 500s. Um, so give you some ideas of just uh examples of walking paths, playgrounds, and open spaces in some of our uh other subdivisions. These will have all of that. There will be trails down Umbar and along uh the southern border uh wrapping back into the subdivision. And there will be a trail in the central park as I pointed out and then the entire uh neighborhood will be connected by internal sidewalks as well. And here are some examples of uh arbor homes, the ones that would be closer to the highway. It's a tra traditional single family product ranches and two stories. 12 different floor plans ranging from 1,600 to 3100 square ft with lots of options. their sun rooms, threecar garages, plenty of uh morning rooms, bumpouts, all uh really up to the the home buyer as to what they want to put in to the home. Uh these are some additional character exhibits of other arbor uh facades. Leave that with you for just a second. And then this is the Silverthorn product. Again, uh traditional single family, 10 different floor plans with multiple elevations for each uh single and two-story floor plans. These have a base square footage of 1,800 to 3200 square ft. And again, have plenty of options that are up to the home buyer to choose. Flex space, threecar garages, sun rooms, etc. Here are some additional Silverthorn examples.

And we tried to go through and make sure these met your point system. But again, as Joanna pointed out, there is a substantial uh requirement of architectural diversity here. Uh and uh unlike the other subdivisions that are going in the in the city right now, we're going to be held to a higher standard and it is a written commitment that will be enforcable uh by the city. So, in conclusion, uh staff uh provided a favorable recommendation again with all of the work that went into all of the commitments and conditions uh that Arbor agreed to in this situation. also a favorable recommendation uh from your uh advisory plan commission and staff has already provided the uh decision criteria for the the statutory criteria that are required and we are fully agreeable to all the commitments and conditions that have been discussed and are in your packet. Happy to answer any questions.

Thank you. Eric, do you want to questions now or do you want to wait until after? Typically, we'll give them five minutes for rebuttal after we've heard the public and then then we close the public hearing and then the board is free to ask questions of either side if they so desire. That's kind of the orderly process that we do. Okay. Thank you, Eric. See you in a few. Okay. [clears throat] Is there anyone um would like to get up and speak against the subdivision? Now's the time. It's public hearing. I'll get up and just kind of one point

um while she makes her way to the uh to the microphone. Um I would remind everybody because I'm the worst offender speak into the microphone. Uh folks that are online sometimes cannot hear us if we do not speak into the microphone. So thank you. I did I didn't charge that on your time.

Okay. My name is Michelle Jackson and my parents own a home on uh 75 and um our family land there, the Martis land. Um when 65 was dug and made, they dug a sixacre pond. So they took that dirt, gravel, all this from this pond to build 65. Our concern as a family is the liability insurance and the the liability scare that we're going to have that we haven't had in the past with a 6 acre 30 um ft deep pond. So my thought was, you know, is Arbor willing to put a fence in front of that acreage where we could put a no trespassing sign on or is there anything that they would offer us? I mean, we didn't build it. The state built it, you know, when they built 65. So, you know, I don't It opens a whole can of worms for us in fear of liability where we haven't had that risk in the past because it's private. But who's to say little Bobby and Billy won't sneak on it and, you know, have a casualty and possibly drowned.

So, it is a a concern for us in the Martyrus family with that martyr farm. Thank you. Anybody else?

Okay. Are we Are we sure? Does anybody else want to speak? 165. Yeah. Okay. With that, I think we will close the public. Well, he actually has uh Eric, if he feels there's a need to say anything more, he has an opportunity, a right to do that. Okay. Mr. prime. Do you feel there's a need? Sorry. That's all right.

Um, a couple of things. I mean, the pond is existing right now and it is accessible as it as it would be for anyone else. I mean, obviously there's not a neighborhood right above it at this point, but it is open to trespass at this point and they haven't had any issues. I'm not sure that bringing this subdivision in automatically makes that more of a liability. Uh, and certainly we have our own retention pond on our property that would be of more interest, I would think, to the neighborhood kids than going across the street to somebody else's. But in any event, um, trespassing is trespassing, right? There's no liability if somebody comes on your property and and drowns when you've got you didn't invite them onto the property. Um, so and the other issue we found is that uh first responders don't like fences fencing off those areas because it keeps them from getting in to help rescue somebody when the if the need arises. So from our our position is it it really doesn't change their liability uh whether we're there or not. They have the same situation existing today. And just for the record, sir, that pond that that's presented currently in the in the proposal would have an HOA to control it, ensure it, take care of it, etc.

Correct. Yeah, the HOA would take care of all the the common areas. Thank you. And just the detention pond is new, not the current pond is there is you're talking about your pond, right? I think we're talking about two different things. That's we're talking about her pond, which exists from the interstate and 6 acre 30 ft deep pond that's been there for right on the south side of 75 South correct. Yeah. Um obviously I can't give legal advice to anybody other than you. Um but Mr. Prine is right. There's a different standard of negligence for trespassers versus invitees

and people you invite on your property. So that that's the different element that's that's in existence. Now and having owned I currently own a retention pond. I have no fishing signs up. Um, that does not work either. Yeah, they they fish there anyway. That's right. Okay. Is there any more questions before we close the public hearing? Hearing none, we will close the public hearing. Uh, does the council have any questions at this point? I guess any more questions?

Got a couple. Um sir, the um along the uh uh Umbar Lane Road, there's going to be a sidewalk, correct? It's going to go all the way to the Armory. Is that correct? Yeah. So, it will go up past the wood area to the to the north property line, even though we're not developing that section,

right? Um there's some trees in question that are right along on Barger Lane that are kind of dead. Some of the homeowners on 75 are concerned about them potentially falling over, which they have in the past. And if you come over that rise there in the road and see a log or a tree sitting in the road, um obviously you accidents happen. But I was curious that I think we had mentioned that before the last time you were here, but that uh specifically if you're going to put sidewalks on all the way on the road all the way up to the connect to the armory, then uh some of those trees are going to be addressed. I just realized I was shouting at you from over there. I'm probably not making the the uh the online folks. Um yes, that is correct. And and when they put in that pathway through there, they'll have to address the trees that are in the way. So hopefully that will take care of itself with a lot of those dead trees getting called out.

Thank you. What's the setback on the sidewalk in the same way now? It's along a public road. It's help me Joanne. Is it 50 cuz we've got we've got right away and then they built their we can't can we sidewalk so it's more than Yeah. There we go. Don't see it very well on the drawing. I was hoping this would show the dimension there. There's uh well you can see there's 25 ft of common area between the the end of the backyard where that tree sort of the artificial tree line is. Right. And so that gives you an idea of the dimension. If that's 25 ft, then a pretty good chunk on out to the road is

right. Because because you're not putting you're not putting the are they putting the sidewalk in our rideway? Yes. Sidewalk the path would be in the rideway. So the front setback is different based off of the classification of the road. Right. So with Umbberger Lane it would be a minimum of 50 feet. I thought

um typically that starts a foot. It would be the foot on the east side of the trail and then an additional 50 feet. Um the other thing to note about the trees that are currently there so close to the road, the current termination of public water is at the southwest corner of the [clears throat] armory. So they're going to have to address those trees in order to extend that water service to the area to the south also. So it'll be both the extension of utilities but also the passes road.

Yeah. Our setbacks are different depending on what type of road we have. I mean obviously 31's different than anything else. So but I I recall it being 50 from memory. Got another question about the you got a blister turning lane coming in off of uh Umbar Lane into the subdivision off Umbar and then you have another uh exit or entrance coming in off 75. Correct. Correct. And there's a passing blister there on Umbar. On Umbberger there will be um with asel DEL as well. Okay.

Yeah. on 75. I don't think there's a passing blister there, right? Um that that it's hard it's hard to see in the drawing, but I just want to make sure for the record those homes when we speak about the four-point system, I'm assuming some of those homes, although there would not be a need for more points, but the brick could go all the way around. You could have Shaker on the backside and so forth at an additional cost to the the home buyer,

right? And that's the key point. It's how much do people want to put into their house and and how much do they want to put into the exterior. But all of that what we're talking about here tonight are just minimums, right? That's the commitments are we can't go lower than this, but they can certainly go above that. Just for example, the the Silverthorn homes, they have Silverthorn products that fit on the 60oot lots, the arborized lots. So if demand calls for it, there might be more than 60% Silverthorn, right? We just don't know what the market's going to do. And so this is a a compromise between what Arbor is thinking the market is going to do and what the what the city would like to see there. So that's how we got to the 6040 split which was up from uh the prior split,

but it could go higher than that certainly.

Okay. On the flip side of that, I know we've talked um I've heard before about the bait and switch. You've heard it. We've all heard it about, you know, we were at 4060 before or 7030, whatever it was before, and now we're at 6040. And what keeps Arbor Homes from if for whatever reason the Silver Thorn Theories doesn't do well in that area, then what protects the city that that another product is put in that 60% range? with the written commitments, they would not be able to pull a building permit. So, every time a new home would be submitted to be constructed, our staff would review it to make sure that it meets the standards as written. So, they would not be able to go lower than 60%, the only way they could do that is going back to plan commission and then back to city council to amend the ordinance.

These are these are zoning commitments, if I might expand upon that. These are zoning commitments, which means that it's part of the reasonzoning. So, it it does require council action as opposed to just going in and changing at the planning commission. Um, great question, counselor, because one of the things that people will often come in and say, well, we're going to build this product from the company. Well, we don't have any control over what they call that product, right? Um, so that's the reason that you delve in more to get commitments. So whether you call it silver thorn or gold thorn or bronze thorn, you have to do these same things. So you don't tie yourself to a product line from the developer, you tie yourself to the commitments that are being offered quality architectural standards types. And one of the commitments when it talks about that it says or comparable to Silverthorn,

right? I for the I just wanted for the record. Thank you. Um, I have a question. Sorry, all the way from over here. Um, I was just a little bit worried about like if the return like if we go through this whole reasonzoning process, right? I was just concerned about if the return on investment would be a little bit more difficult to obtain considering that the like 70s through the like through some of the 80s it's right by the highway so not a lot of people like would people actually want to build a house out there. Um, and like going through this whole process, would it be worth it considering we won't get all the homes that this plan promises?

Arbor would like to support you for your uh run on the city council. [laughter] Just kidding. that. So that that honestly is why we started where we started, right, with a different mix of product because that's where they thought the market would be and and then to this point where because we understood that that was not going to pass in that form. Uh that we are where a compromise between what the city wants and what Arbor thinks will sell there is what you have on the table before you now. So terrific question. Um It really is. It it comes down to just the market, right? Nobody can sit here and tell you 100% what the market is going to do in 3 to 5 years. And this is these are not all going to appear tomorrow if this gets approved, right? I mean, this is a five to sevenyear buildout. And who knows what the market is going to be doing then? Who knows what interest rates are

what's your plan on starting if this does get approved?

Yep. Go ahead. Uh, good evening, Tony Bato. If this gets approved here and then the next hearing, we would have to do primary plat, which would be the more construction level detailed plans and section plans. And if that goes through uh TAC and city process fairly well, we could potentially break ground by before the end of the year, but really once we get into winter, we probably wouldn't start till spring next year, more realistic in timeline. That's when ground would start moving and you could see rooftops maybe in the fall starting to appear for the first first sales and I mean the conversation yeah along the interstate you know we've talked with our sales team and we obviously believe that this plan is doable or we wouldn't be in front of you we've had many conversations with the mayor we don't want to bring something in front of the town or the city I'm sorry that feel that we're going to feel it's not successful to walk away from but we do feel that at this time we can support this plan and this is what we came up with as the compromise as Eric mentioned working through the last meeting.

So, and you guys do anticipate on putting like a noise block from for the interstate between the interstate and the homes or no or just the trees? No. Yeah, there would just be landscaping at this time unless we decide later to evaluate that, but um we don't have any intentions of putting a a wall up. That requires INDOT approval and they will not do it. Um it's exceedingly expensive. You can ask the Hillview folks about it. exceedingly expensive for INDOT to do it and they want to keep that open area there. So, they will not put up those nice things. It's been And there there is if you look at Paris Estates and Jefferson Point, there's houses right next to the interstate as you go through there. There's, you know, $500,000 houses that sit right next to the

the interstate if you look through Paris Estates. So, I don't think that'll be a huge issue if [snorts] it if the project's done right. If I might comment just on the the overall nature of because it seems somewhat arduous about a you have a public hearing then you have a fiscal plan but that's the only action you take and then you take the action next. To your uh point from our mayor's youth council.

The legislature I Joan and I have asked for years for them to get rid of the fiscal plan idea because we don't approach it unless we can we can provide the services to it. But the legislature has found that you actually have to do a fiscal plan analysis. And so in the event we find out what it costs to have the development and what we'll generate in exchange for it. So if houses don't develop, we won't have that income tax, but we won't al also have those expenses. And so that's why a requirement and it's gotten so stringent at this point. We hire uh someone independently to look at that for us. So, if those houses out there don't build, we won't get any tax revenue, but we also won't have any infrastructure requirements, fire, police, roads, that kind of thing.

Um, this one here is basically for the fire chief. Chief, um, can you tell us currently that if any of the homes on 75 are on fire, um, that you would be there to put that fire out? That's I know it is. that we would go. Okay, that's the answer I wanted to hear. Because part of it they're currently in the need uh fire district which requires them to get approval to be released from the need fire district. That's kind of where I was going.

Yeah. And I think they've already started that process and it's all indications are that that will happen. I would also say that we spent a great deal of time recently about our mutual aid agreements across the county. Um, and so there have been a a large, for lack of a better word, coordination of services and needm I believe don't they who contributes money to us because we do then um do some some fire suppression outside even our district Franklin Township do that. So, but once we take it in, then we start getting the tax money for it.

And we did obtain a resolution from the need fire protection district to allow this to be removed from their district. And that has to be approved by the county commissioners. We're actually on their docket next week to have that done before we come back to see you on the 16th. Thank you, Chief Sire. [snorts] What's a protection class out there? Do you know what it is off the top of your head? Fire hidance out there? I can't remember. or not right not right now. It stops at so it's probably in nine or 10 protection class. Are there going to be fire hydrants out there when this project gets in?

It takes the protection class down to about a five or four. You will see a reduction in your homeowners insurance. Small silver lining. Okay. Even even the people south of that fire hydrants in the new addition that close developer pays for thousand thousand feet. I think the developer pays for the hydrants too, don't they? It's required to be paid for. [clears throat] Okay. Is there more questions for

Arbor from up here? So, I think what we're looking for next, Joanna, would be a motion to approve or deny the fiscal plan. Correct. And to reiterate again, it's only the fiscal plan. It is not the annexation, nor is it the reasonzoning. So, yeah. Yeah. The the only thing is whether or not

if if we did annex it and brought it in for any reason, could we fiscally handle the impact? And that's the only thing the fiscal plan is for. Now what if the fiscal plan what if we you know something comes up and we wanted to you know make a change or request look for a change in you know the number of houses or go more or less would it have to be a new fiscal plan or no once we brought it in it's fine. So if we come back and say you know we would hey let's bring this all in at RS1 no it wouldn't matter. No, it wouldn't because the fiscal plan is only necessary for the annexation, not for the reasonzoning. Okay,

that said, I'll make a motion to approve uh ordinance 2026-03. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a [snorts] Hold on. I don't know if we got the right. That's not the right resolution. I think it's 02, isn't it? It's resolution 20262. Yeah. So, I recuse and get rid of that motion and uh approve resolution 2026-02 fiscal plan. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. May we get a roll call vote from the clerk treasur, please? Yes. And a second. So, um on the fiscal plan, u Miss Jones, can we do a roll call vote?

Yes. So, this again, uh you're voting to approve the fiscal plan. Uh Mr. Taylor, yes. M. Uh, Miss McGinness, yes. Mr. Prime, yes. Mr. Austin, yes. Mr. Shuck, yes. Miss Nally, yes. Miss Price, yes.

Okay. Thank you. Motion carries to pass the fiscal plan. I just want to make one comment here that I think people in the audience should realize what has just happened at our state house with House Bill 1001. And if House Bill 1001 would have passed the way it was headed, if it was not for all the mayors in the state of Indiana, all the county commissioners in the state of Indiana, that bill would have passed. And this meeting that we're having tonight, which is a good meeting, and be able to discuss with our citizens, what do we want to see in our cities and towns, that wouldn't have happened. So that this meeting right here is a perfect example. If that legislation would have passed, Arbor or any other builder

build what they wanted. So, come in at any time. Yeah. So, I I just I I just want everybody to be aware of what happened there. And I do believe that that's not done yet. And with all the reporting that they're having us do, what that means is they're going to come back in the next year and try to spend some more on to it of taking away our rights as citizens to have these kind of meetings. So, I said it. I feel good about saying it. So, I just wanted to get that out there. [laughter] And now we now we will head on. [applause] Now, we will head on into new business. Oh, can I stop real fast? Yes.

I believe 2602. Joanna, stop me if I'm wrong. The fiscal plan we need uh the mayor to be approved to sign on the council's behalf. No. It would be the president. Okay. So, it be Mr. Austin on behalf of the council. Yes, please. Okay.

And and while it's head while it's headed down this way, um next meeting where official action will be taken on the resoning and the or the annexation first and the reasonzoning. There is no further public hearing unless the council wishes to ask questions of anybody who would be in attendance. There's also no further public notice. So it will be here be on the agenda. There will be official action but there's no additional public notice of it other than on on the agenda. So okay thank you. Now can we go on to new business? Yes. Okay. Let's go to new business. Are we going to reszoning of the woods? No. Nope. Nope. Nope.

That's next time. It's the move to read new business by title only. Second. Okay. We have a motion and a second to read new business title only. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Okay. Thank you. And these are introduction only. Uh introduction of budgetary 26-04 amending budgetary 2601 non- taxup supported funds. Clerk treasurer Jan Jones. Uh yeah this uh we are we amended to add riverboat to this. Um it also was a clerical error uh on our part. So we are just asking to reintroduce and uh then public hearing next meeting to also approve.

Okay, that one's that one's introduced. Um and this next one is also reintroduction of budgetary ordinance 26-02 additional appropriation from the general fund. Again, clerk treasurer Jan Jones. Uh same thing on this one. Introduced tonight again and then public hearing and pass the next one. Perfect. All right. So, um, those two are redoss. No big deal. Just a minor, uh, clarification that we're straightening out. Um, other than that, they're all introduced. So, there isn't any other business. Let's start with the council member comments. And Keegan, we'll start with you.

Uh, I just wanted to say like thank you for everyone for like u being here. It's nice to see like uh local government happen in real time. And like you said, mayor, this is an opportunity that we have to cherish. You know, uh being able to voice our opinions in our community. Um that's something we have to savor at least while we have it. So, um thank you all for being here. And FMC, we're doing good things. We're preparing for our um dog walking thing for the trails. Um we're putting dog water bowls. Water bowls. Yes. Um and we're doing like a dog walk-athon type thing. And we'll have like uh treats and stuff like that and raffle.

Did we approve that? I don't know. Maybe. Who's this? You're working on You got to plan your We're working on it. But that'll happen in April. Yes. So, April coming soon. Be there. Bring your dogs. It'll be fun. Um Yeah. So, FYC, we're doing pretty good right now. Thank you, Keegan. Thank you all. Jennifer, nothing. Thank you. Irene, nothing for me. Thank you, Todd. Keegan, you rock. Yes. [laughter] Did I hear her say she's bringing the dogs in here for a meeting? I'm not sure. Nothing else. Sean, nothing nice there. Ken Keegan, you didn't introduce your friends, did you?

Oh, yeah. I have Lily Harvey, Parker Willis, and Natalyia Flowers. And then obviously our lovely Miss Tara Payne. So, yeah. [laughter] Thanks, Vanna. Tara, how much you tell them? How much you give her to say that? Okay, I don't have anything to add, mayor. Thank you. Thanks, Ken. I appreciate it. Ann, nothing. Thank you. Josh, no. Nothing tonight. Chan, nothing. No, sir. No, sir. I have nothing else either. Thank you. We're looking for a motion to motion to adjurnn. Second.