Board of Commissioners - Regular Meeting

Heat. Heat. [music] [music] Heat. Heat. Good afternoon. I call this meeting to order of the city of Frankfurt Board of Commissioners February work session. It's 300 PM. It's February 9th. And will the clerk please call the role?

Commissioner Richardson here. Commissioner May here. Commissioner Smith Willis here. Mayor Wilkerson and present and no ceremonial or recognition today. We do have citizens comments and I'll ask you to step to the podium, state your name, and we reminder that we give you five minutes and we'll give you a warning if you're if you're getting close. So, first we have Marshall Jenkins. You want to come up? Thank you, Marshall, for being here.

Thank you. uh Marshall Jenkins, executive director for Capitol City Activity Center, Mills on Wheels, Greater Frankfurt, which is your uh senior center here for Frankfurt and Franklin County. I just wanted to stop in for just a second to say a big thank you um to the city and and I'm going to be saying this to the county as well this week for the support shown to u not only the senior center but to seniors in our community during this extended extended uh winter activity that that stayed with us for a very long time. Um, just a shout out to Sean Pickkins [clears throat] and his staff. They came um and helped us again this year by stepping up and delivering meals to seniors that we were not able to get to. Um, you know, our meal drivers for the most part are seniors themselves. And even though they might have been able to maneuver, driving on the roads, getting from the car to the front door was a whole other challenge, which I'm sure Sean and his staff can attest to that. So, I just want to say thank you. Um, it it means a lot, and it's great to have the agencies help with this. You, the city, can see what it takes to get those meals delivered to seniors. And so very thankful thankful to uh also the police and and fire. They're always there to help us. Ray Kenny with emergency management. He and I are always lock step when it comes to these types of emergency situations by keeping us informed what we need to do, what we need to look forward to. Just a shout out to my staff. We placed close to 1,800 phone calls to seniors during this uh event just to make sure they were okay if they needed anything. We did

have a few that needed some food boxes, a couple that needed um um heat source um and we had different individuals donate some uh space heaters and that type of thing. So, we were able to give those out. Uh a special thanks to Jennifer Hall. Uh her and I stay in really good communication for transportation. Um I value that very much. Um, and then I have sent out emails and invitations inviting you to participate in March for uh, senior nutrition month. March for meals. This is an opportunity for you to ride with meal drivers or deliver meals in our dining room. I know our folks uh, look very forward to having you in attendance and I hope you'll be able to join us. I've heard from several and I'm excited to see that you're going to participate this year. very excited. So that's it. I'm just here to say thank you. Appreciate the support.

And thank you, Marshall, for all you do. And does anyone have any followup on that? Commissioner Smith, I just want to say thank you for reaching out and sending us those reminders about, you know, just kind of tapping into our senior community. So, I'm super excited to hang out with you all and um just spend some time, but thank you for all that you do for our community. I appreciate it. Thank you. Much appreciated. Thank you, Marshall. And I know we had a couple of people come in uh after we started. Did anyone else have a citizens comment before we get started with the rest of the agenda? Can I? You can just come to the podium, state your name, and uh we give you five minutes.

It won't take five minutes, but I um been reading all the articles about the building that you all just bought, the old YMCA building. My name is Pam How.

Hi, Pam. And um this is good news, not all the bad postings that you've seen. I've been doing some research. I used to work for state government and I have found a grant out there that it's a for nonprofit or a tribal government or local government for $500,000 and it's for asbestous removal or demolish of a building. Are you all aware of that? You are. Okay. I would have thought they might have mentioned it to maybe break the blow to everything that's been going on with the building because a lot of people have they do you know if John Gray has done an asbestous and [clears throat] hazardous

the city may answer on that. Do you want Well, they have had that I think done years before but I won't speak too much to the private building owners. um actions with that, but the city is in the middle of completing a phase one um environmental study to make sure that there isn't anything. Okay. So, they we're going to do a new one even if there's one that exists. Yes. Yes, we have to before we take ownership. Okay. Well, I had saw this and I thought, well, I'm going to bring it down here and bring to your attention. I figured you all probably had because that's quite a bit of money that would help and I don't know those bricks I mean they're probably all asbestous.

Um well we actually and I think even in our press release you know one of the things that we can do now if we own the building is um pursue some grants that are available to us once we know the building. Did you all discover if it was needed I mean for this bridge the I mean if the building itself was a was needed to be purchased since for the bridge or could it have been built without the bridge? Um could the bridge been built without the building being purchased? I I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if that'd be known. [clears throat] I don't I don't know if we can we can't speak to that. That'd be

We still haven't um completed the purchase for the building. So, um was the settlement of $100,000 was it based upon um a settlement from a lawsuit back in 2016? Um I don't I don't I don't think we're that was definitely part of it, but yeah, at this [clears throat] we usually don't. Okay. Right. Well, I basically just came to tell you all about this and I figured you all probably had already researched it, but since I was up here, I thought

I'd kill a curiosity cuz I did go down to the courthouse and try to pull the record and apparently it got destroyed according to staff in the flood and it's been sent off to be clean. So, that's that's why I thought I'd take the opportunity to do that. So, thank you. I I can assure you that we have spent years since um going over our options and preparing for this. Yeah, I figured as much. I worked for the state and the budget and stuff. So, I figured you all knew, but I thought I'm going to print it out real quick and see and bring it down here to you. I really had no intention on asking the other questions, but thank you for your time. Thank you, Miss

and come to the podium.

Hello everybody. I'm Aaron Ashcraft, citizen of Frankfurt. Um came down here today just in with great interest in the uh riverfront development. Um you guys are talking about um read in the paper and through some of the things that it was uh going to be basically from Buffalo Trace to Capitol View Park. Um which I'm I'm really ecstatic to hear. I believe Capital View Park is one of our greatest assets. Um know if you guys know this or not. In uh comparison to Riverview Park and Capitol View Park, there's a roughly around 500 more yards of riverfront in Capitol View Park. Um Capital View Park has always been a special interest of mine. Some of you guys already know. Uh but I'm really u excited to hear what you guys have to put together with that. So I haven't come down here to give you guys some of my time. Look at your pretty faces. So [laughter] anyway, if y'all have anything any questions, um, yeah, for me, shoot away. But, uh, I'll be following along with this pretty pretty closely.

Thank you. Welcome back. Then we'll move on to staff reports. [clears throat] First in staff reports, we have special projects, the Frankfurt Civic Proud America 250 celebration. Hello. Hi.

So, this is exciting. Um, we are here to officially debut the city's year-long commemoration of the America 250 celebration. Um, this is something that the special projects department, so myself, our grants manager, Rebecca Hall, our community engagement specialist, Maddie Buckler, and several community partners, other staff members, we have uh spent the past year putting this together ready to roll out in 2026. And we have a lot of programming that's going to take us through this entire year that we are excited about. Um so there are three main components of the city's America 250 uh celebration. A new civic engagement platform, an original video and song and a celebratory event. So the focus the [clears throat] primary focus of all of these aspects of the um city's America 250 programming is one of the tenants of the national America 250 program entitled we the people. This theme which is the theme we are adopting for our Frankfurt civic engagement program is designed to inspire and motivate residents to take an active role in their own community, state and local government. And as the state capital, we know that we have a long history of civic engagement across all levels of government. And so this project is really going to serve to encourage civic participation, empower individuals to um participate in local discussions, to attend public meetings, and to advocate for policies that affect their everyday lives. So, our first major component of this is our new Frankfurt Rocks civic engagement platform. Um, this is run through the

city's frankly speaking public engagement hub that we use for um like engagement and public participation projects and we have actually built our own engagement site through this platform just to capture this entire project. So this is going to give you just a screen tour of what this looks like on the mobile site. So you can access this online via your desktop computer, your mobile phone. Um here you can see that we are focusing on six main components of civic engagement. So every two months we will roll out a new theme and then we will have programming that will correspond to that. The themes are Frankfurt Rocks, which is a celebration of our community. Call City Hall, which focuses on making local government more accessible and transparent. A state capital, which looks at Frankfurt's unique role as the hub of state government. Where the money goes, which is a deep dive into the city's budgeting process. I'm just a bill in city hall which breaks down the city's policy process and citizen participation and vote which will educate about the different roles within local government and how elections work in our community. Each of these will have interactive components such as videos, specific documents, social media campaigns and civic challenges. Also throughout the year, there's our bingo card that's going to tie all these activities together. Um, we will have four community town hall events that will be spread throughout areas of our town. Our bingo participation challenge that you just saw. We're going to do monthly policy recaps for boards and commissions that meet within the city. And we're

going to have other engaging resources that will help people feel more comfortable participating in local government. Um, this platform is all ADA accessible and we also also have a Spanish language version of it as well. Uh, you can sign up on this platform for email alerts so that you're notified as soon as we release new activities and projects on the platform. So, a central component of this whole theme right here is something that we're really excited to officially debut for the first time publicly. We uh have received America 250 Kentucky funding from the Kentucky Historical Society to produce an original song and video loosely modeled after the nostalgic schoolhouse rock series. We um have worked with a team of artists. So, this is completely an artistdriven process. Um Joanna and I joke I called her back in the summer last year and said, "Hey, what if we do this?" And um she was silent for a little bit [laughter] because it was a really unique perspective for a project. So, um, working with Joanna Haye. Joanna Haye is the main producer of this project with original illustrations by Roco Cassuli, who's an Italian animation artist who actually has worked on other community programs such as the Just Say Yes um, prevention program. Um, and then local singer songwriter Jerry Katherine How, who's also here with us tonight, is the author of the uh, civic proud song that is part of this video. Um, Jerry spent a lot of time interviewing residents, interviewing city staff, interviewing some of you sitting up here today to capture the essence of what it means to

be civic proud here in Frankfurt. So, we are now going to debut this video for you guys. Benson [music] Creek to the Kentucky. [singing] We flow together in the capital city. [music] Shaping Frank for generations to come. Speak up. Reach out. [music] From your neighbor [singing] to city hall. From your [music and singing] neighbor to city hall. [music]

To make change, it takes all of us. The commissioners [singing] and are there because we vote with the city manager. They run this [music] town. Pick up trash, fix the road. Serving people is what it's about. Serving [singing] people, what [music] it's all about. [music] So come to a meeting, make a comment. Your story could help the commission [singing] pass an ordinance that makes a change right here, right now. That's how we work [music] together and be Frankfurt [singing] Civic proud. Frankurt Civic [singing] proud. [music] When you [music] have an idea, a question or problem, give someone at [singing] the city a call. Local government [music] needs your voice. We all have the power. How we use it is a choice. How we [music and singing] use it, it's a choice. [music] Speak up, reach out, go. Show out [singing and music] from your neighbor to city hall.

Reach out, go vote, show out. Serving [music and singing] people is what it's all about.

Go vote, show up, reach out, go vote, [singing] show out. [applause] So, this is our very own version of Schoolhouse Rock for our civic engagement program for 2026. Um, again, this was funded by America 250 Kentucky funding. And we really want to thank Joanna and Jerry and Roco for putting this all together and actually making this something that we hope the rest of the community will feel a lot of pride in and be very proud of. as well. You will see this video again debuting throughout each of these civic engagement themes um and will kind of be used to lead into that programming. Um we have geared all of this programming towards the general population. We are working with the Capital City Museum to do youth specific programming over the summer and working on opportunities to engage some of our local high school students into the fall as well. Um, our final component of our America 250 celebration is a special Independence Day event that the city will be hosting. Um, this program is being put on by a grant that the city received. Uh, we actually started this process in 2024 and applied for funds from the National Endowment for the Arts for their America 250 programming. We were awarded those funds last year and the city's grant partners are Liberty Hall and Downtown Frankfurt, Inc. So, we have put together Liberty Holler, which is an America 250 music festival. The event is going to be held on Friday, July 3rd, which is the observed day for the Independence Day

holiday this year, and it's going to be used as the kickoff event for a full weekend of America 250 activities and programs here in the capital city. Um, this the host site is going to be Liberty Hall and the city's Riverview Park, Wardotes Amphitheater. And we're going to use this as a way to celebrate the history and founding of Frankfurt, the establishment of Frankfurt as Kucky's capital, the importance of the Commonwealth, and where all of that fits within the broader United States. We're going to have local music. We have an artist lineup that we're going to debut in just a minute. Regional and local bands. We are going to have local artisans. We're going to have speakers on different aspects of Frankfurt's founding. We are partnering with Quilts of Valor, the VFW, and our local Veterans Resource Center um to create a well-rounded event for our community. So, the official lineup for the Liberty Holler Music Festival, our headlining act on our regional stage is going to be Cole Cheney with uh the local Honeys and Hancock and Shast. Our local stage at Wardote's Amphitheater is going to feature Mashgrass, Jerry, Katherine, and Nat, and Violet in the newsroom. And all three of those are local to the Frankfurt community artists. So save the date now, Friday, July 3rd, and we're going to be publishing an event. This is going to be free and open to the entire community. We're also working with regional partners. Um, and again, National Endowment for the Arts is the funer for this program. So this is our official America 250 on behalf of the

city of Frankfurt year-long programming. Um, you know, we started a soft launch in January and now here it is for your debut first and we're excited for um all that this project is going to bring for the next year. So, I'm happy to take questions. Rebecca or Maddie, Joanna or Jerry, Commissioner May, just a big thank you to everyone that that got this together. Uh, for me personally, and I'm not a a PhD, so I'm not qualified to make this statement, but I think it's very difficult to tell your about your culture, your history, and where you're from without the arts. Yeah. You know, arguably, you kind of have to have them. Yeah.

To to maintain that and to continue to pass it on from generation to generation. So, I think you're doing a lot here. You're not just getting us involved. You're hitting that note that is important and unique to Frankfurt, which is that historical note and our unique culture. And I love the lyrics in the song where you tell people to get engaged. Yeah. You know, you you transfer it into your music and sitting on this side of it, I would say the biggest shocker for me that I learned about the community was sometimes people don't know how to get involved and they want to get involved. Y and this is going to be a great bridge for that. So, thank you all very much. Yeah. Looking forward to seeing it success. Thanks, Commissioner.

I also just wanted to say thank you. I'm I'm going to let everybody know. I saw it. I got a sneak peek. I cried a little bit cuz sometimes when you be on this side, like Commissioner May said, you really don't know what all goes into a job like this. But then also sometimes it feels super heavy. So to be able to see this and to be able to I mean my kids definitely going to be involved in kind of the bingo cards. I took the test myself, but it just genuinely makes me appreciate the arts like Commissioner May said. Um I learned on a national level the arts really drives the community. And so to see this and to see representation for everybody just genu it genuinely means a lot. And so I really want to thank both of you all and all the work that you all do. So thank you guys so much. Thank you. Commissioner Richardson.

Yeah, I'm I'm just everything they said. But I'm, you know, I've been with the city a long time, 1994. And to watch what you've done um in the early 90s, we would have never thought. Of course, we, you know, technology was wasn't then what it is now. Um, I get a lot of emails and a lot not questioning, but

what you and your all of you are doing to get information out is by far we're heads and, you know, shoulders above everyone. I was recently in Richmond. Uh, I know that uh they try to do the best they can down there, the city, but they we we're we're making noise with what we're doing. getting that that word out and that and so earlier my question is you said that you can do that on your laptop that is going to be an app as well. It's not an app. So it just is you can bring it up on your browser on your browser. I mean that's just as good but that that that is just so awesome. I mean that that in itself because

working for the city when I work a lot of complaints and I get it now was just information. They want information and how to get involved just like Commissioner Ray was saying and really you know when I was on the police side the community is the police and the police are the community no different than city government. Uh we are the community and that's you know we're elected by the community and we want to listen to them and this what you've put put forth here is just it is it's a little uh I won't say I don't like tearjerker but it it it is a little little emotional. [laughter] I'm not very an emotional person, but uh I am, but maybe on the other side at [laughter] times, but uh but no, awesome. Just fabulous.

Thank you. And I'll say the same kudos. One of the pillars of our previous strategic plan was telling Frankfurt's story and this is just another way to do that and good work. All the community partners that came together on this. Uh it was it's quality stuff. I'm anxious to see how the rest of the community um well how they react to it. Yes, absolutely. Oh, good work. Thank you all so much. Thank you. Can we get a copy of the song? Yes. Is that Yes, I can I will send that out. We have the video file, the song. We're using the song for lots of different things and that's free and open for everybody to use. I want I want to show my kids.

We were We were well portrayed. We were well pictured [laughter] in there. Yes. Thank you all. Next in staff reports, we have Eric Cochley presenting a development code rewrite. Just an update on that and where we're at in that process. [cough] Evening everybody. So I guess I get to follow that. So that's lovely [laughter] to talk about zoning codes. Anybody Anybody feeling tears turned back on? You have like cartoon or song? No. No. I'm going to bring you right back down. [laughter] Right back down. The real reason why we're here. Okay.

Anyho, uh work continues on the development code rewrite. As you all know, we uh continue to meet with our consultant um every other week uh as a group um and are starting to trade a lot more emails as we get more content to work through. [snorts] Um the plan is still to have this scope of work completed and something to uh to you all in the fiscal court by July is the goal. um to finish this process. Where we are now, we've got a whole lot of stuff drafted and we're we're still working through that. Um we're working between now and the end of the month, knock on wood, to try to start getting particular chapters of the code out to stakeholders in the community that that are going to have to react to and possibly use that code um and start to get some kind of stakeholder um feedback um that way. February 26th, um we're actually holding a public openhouse event. The consultant will put together a a brief presentation. Um and then we'll have some um some kind of display boards to help communicate kind of the big themes and large changes we're making. We're not going to just throw out, you know, the new draft document in full and expect people to want to comb through that and have it mean much of anything. Um, so we're still kind of working on what that'll look like, but we're going to try to do it so that people can um the public can kind of become more aware of where we are in the process since it's largely just been staff and consultant driven up to this point, but also so we can explain to folks and and even to yourselves u point out some of the the more meaningful changes um that we're proposing to make with the new codes relative to what we're used to um and keep working on it from there. Is it going to be

the library February 26th? What time? Uh 5:30. [snorts] So you said that there will be draft language going out to the state stakeholders. What about can we see some of that draft language? Yeah. When when do you think that will be coming? Uh we can I can email you a link to our Dropbox and you all can peruse all of it. And then as always throughout this um [clears throat] you know feel free to give me a shout with any questions over stuff or um anything else. Yeah, I'd like to see that. Anybody else? I would I mean I'd like

cool any questions or discussion. So what so this is something where we how what's the process like when you know it comes down to adopt it and you know we we have to adopt it fiscal court has to adopt it. What if there's any is there going to be like a a committee where we get back together if there's any disagreement on the language? Um we haven't you know probably comparing this to to going through that comprehensive plan process where we did so much you know public input open houses we had the advisory committee and the steering committee with their own sort of roles. Um this part of the process we've handled more with a staff and consultant um sort of perspective. Like I just said, we're having this public open house um later this month to try to, you know, let the public have a clue what we've been working on and and sound off on that and give us some input. Uh but I I think the the plan largely was to move forward with that and ultimately bring it to the planning commission for approval before um bringing it to you all. Um and certainly along the process open to any input you all might have. I know we've talked some in in some of these meetings about particular um things you'd like to see which are things we've been working on. Um but yeah,

good. Thank you. Yeah,

our our plan on this is to keep uh Eric uh every work session kind of just a quick update on you all till this is complete and then once he sends the files out it'll be even more discussion I guess. All right. All right. Next, we have a E911 interlocal update. And I'll kind of walk down there to present in front of you all. It's easier for me to talk to all down here. So, the 911 interlocal, this is something that we've been working on. I kind of went back through 2023 might have been when I started in this process. I know it was probably going on before that, but as as fire chief, I'm representing on this. Uh there was a joint meeting on this with city county. Uh we're still in that process and we have changed the interlocal down. I sent you all out that draft. It was separate. Uh the language in that draft is we are proposing a 55 45% uh funding uh city county uh city being 55% and county being 45. Uh just to give some history of it, this was a 1991 agreement that is expired and the original agreement was uh [clears throat] 7525 city of county which is still what's being covered right now. I presented today at the county's uh finance committee. Uh they asked for a few more numbers, a little more focused on run volume than I'd like them to be uh because as I've always said, public safety is an insurance policy and 100% of everyone's 911 calls go through our dispatch center. So that's kind of where we're at. I want to just give you guys that quick update, take any questions as I'm still kind of trying to negotiate this uh contract with them.

Any discussion or questions? Commissioner Smith Willis.

I personally just wanted to say thank you for the work that you have done on this. Um this has also been something newer for me to learn about. Um I appreciate it. I actually attended the finance committee today to make sure that I was hearing all the things collectively together to be able to um fully understand the scope of this topic in particular. So I just wanted to say thank you and um I do think that it being revisited. I mean 1991 is a long time ago and I think that we have been doing our due diligence in terms of bringing things up to date. So I looking forward to continuing the conversation because I do think that like you said as an insurance policy we all don't like to pay it but we have to do our part in it. So, um I appreciate bringing this up and trying to bring it up to um present date. So, thank you.

Yeah, the original agreement was for two years if you read back through it and it had additional two-year contracts if good faith negotiations went on between city and county. It just never happened. Commissioner Richardson, that would be my question. uh I saw you know the term I saw is two years and then so in in respect legally I guess this is it's non-existent am I right this this agreement the fact that it's that old and not even within the parameters of the contract it is yes effectively I believe I don't

the original said yeah it said 1991 for two years and then an additional two years could be negotiated in good faith So let's just spread it out and say four years. So in 1995 this became kind of obsolete obsolete so to speak. So then it just becomes almost like a monthto-month yeah contract that everybody just keeps going.

Now I realize that you know sometimes when you don't have policy that practice is policy. I I understand that, but yeah, this is long overdue and I think um I'm glad this is something that we're looking into, especially when it comes to like Commissioner Smith Willis said um you know the you know everything es and flows when it comes to public safety through our E911% of it. Um so

and we're asking for that 20% increase. County already pays 25. We're just asking for a 45 and we kind of base that off population city county. Yeah. And I would equate that, you know, public safety is somewhat of an insurance policy. Uh would you agree that we don't necessarily pay everyone uh I don't particularly like, you know, I hope I don't have to have an ambulance at my house, but I do want an ambulance at my house, but um so there again, I mean, when it comes to service, I mean, I hope they get to sit, the fire guys get to sit in the station for 24 hours and never make a run. That's a good day. In my time, we used to call those the salad days. Uh meaning that they were good times that you weren't out here, you know, risking your life or [snorts] having to save people, which meant things were good. So, but we still pay them correctly. So, uh I think that's something the public needs to know that public safety is more of an insurance policy somewhat like your your car insurance. So,

yeah. In my 20y year fire career here with the city of Frankfurt, there were two times that I did not make a run at at a station. I was paid the same for those days. [laughter] Well, and and ret and the same when I was a young patrol officer, I I used to get aggravated when we weren't busy, and I had a a good mentor that told me those were the salad days, meaning take advantage of them because they don't often happen y in public safety. But, uh, but I do I'm glad we're addressing this. It's it's way past due, uh, mayor, and and I think this is a a fair assessment of of 5545. I would ask for assistance from you all on reaching out to the magistrates and trying to help me with these negotiations as well if that's if that's possible. What's the dollar in dollar terms?

In dollar terms, uh I do not have it in front of me, but we're looking at it was around 700,000 for uh city and about 600,000 for county with the 50 with 5545 split. Count's contribution goes up 279,000. That would be I remember that one 279 and change. So that's the ask. That's the ask to make it more equitable to make it make it more equitable. That 20% is about 279,000. Is it fair to say though that this is also going to help with, you know, we had a presentation from the police department when it came to our communication system. This will help write the ship with getting our equipment um up to speed, so to speak, that where we need it. Correct.

Yes. Any interlocal, it addresses capital purchases. Um that's could be negotiated at the time of those purchases. But also in that we still collect a dollar on landline fees. That's just over $79,000 what we're collecting now. And in my interlocal, we I say we keep that for uh capital purchases and keep banking that until that eventually that fee will be obsolete. Yeah. Because that fee has been on since ' 91. And I mean I I I don't know what the landline fees were back then. How much we were bringing in on that dollar landline fee. Commissioner, I just just for I guess transparency, what was the dollar to speak to Commissioner Richardson? What was the dollar amount that was the cost for the telecommunications that the police department is actually needing currently at this moment?

Sorry, chief. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. It's one I know it's 1 point something one point about 1.6 total. That was with with everything. Was that the county repeater? That was an additional repeater like in the northern part of the county. There was not it was not the addition of those repeat. Okay. It was so 1.6 for countywide upgrade. Thank you.

Good. Good. Thank you, city manager. We'll move on to discussion items. Number one, we have a presentation from Sasaki. Welcome to Frankfurt and uh congratulations because we're excited to work with you on this new riverfront visioning and strategic plan process.

Great. Good afternoon uh members of the commission. Thank you for having us. I am Zachary Krisco. I'm a principal at Sasaki and uh we are equally excited to be a part of this process. It's uh going to be a pretty amazing one that can really transform uh your city. Um I'm a principal civil engineer. I'm the principal in charge. I'm joined by Lon who's in the back row. She's our project manager and Maryann OMPO who's a Kentucky native who's uh coming in this afternoon. Uh we just kicked things off today with uh our first of multiple stakeholder meetings. We're doing a tour tomorrow of all the city properties. Uh and I would say we're currently drinking from the fire hose learning everything we can about your uh waterfront which has been great. Um just to acknowledge that you know your waterfront uh is instrumental not only in the reason that Frankfurt is here uh but in that relationship that you all have had with it for multiple centuries now as both a cultural destination and a tourist draw. Uh but you've also had a complicated history uh with it impacting you all in really significant ways throughout the years. Uh and so this plan really is looking to revisit that and provide a layer of resilience and protection for the city while also engaging the city down to the river fabric. And so uh what you have to build from right now is a pretty amazing downtown core that's historic that has great activation and energy, but it really doesn't address the river. And this is an opportunity to bring uh the city inhabitants and tourists to the river in a way that doesn't happen today. Uh this can also be a really significant opportunity for you all to grow the city in terms of tourist visitation, bringing other folks from the city downtown uh and giving them a space along the river that just doesn't exist today. So we really believe that this is an opportunity for you all to return to the river to reconnect with what brought you

here in the first place. Uh and to create something really special for you all. Susaki is a firm of more than 300 professionals uh multidisciplinary. I'm a civil engineer. Alon's a landscape architect. Uh Marian's an urban designer. We all work together collaboratively because we think these issues are bigger than any one single discipline. And we've done this around the country working on waterfronts uh thinking about how to make them resilient, how to activate them, how to improve quality of life for citygoers. Uh and and it's with these decades of experience that we understand what uh it means to make a resilient waterfront. Similarly, we have built parks around the country and uh what we really take pride in is not only the sort of design and seeing people use it, but coming back a year, 5 years, 10 years later and understanding what it means to actually operate and maintain these spaces, we can bring you guys lots of pretty plans, but if you can't take care of them for the long term, they don't have a lot of value for you all. And so we want to make sure that uh what gets delivered to you all is something that you feel comfortable uh operating maintaining uh for the long term. We've done lots of amazing work in Kentucky. Maryanne has led a lot of planning work. Uh and most recently I had the privilege of uh leading this project down in Lexington Gaton Park uh that opened up this fall and has been a real uh incredible asset for their community reconnecting their downtown core with the uh Town Branch Creek which uh for years had been hidden from their community. We are uh supported by a couple consultants. Strand engineering uh who's worked with you all on a number of uh infrastructure projects in the past and worked with us on Gaten Park as well as James Lima planning and development there our economic consultant helping us think through uh how to make this project economically viable for you all.

And uh this is the kickoff. So we will be here uh two more times throughout the process. the next time. Uh bringing three big level ideas of what this plan could be and engaging with the community through online surveys and in-person forums to hear their feedback and then again toward the end of the process bringing a preferred vision to you all uh that will represent a real roadmap for how to get from that vision plan to something that can be implemented. So it'll have strategies for funding, strategies for maintenance and uh high level strategy around uh the phasing or sequencing of it. Just to hit quickly on a couple projects that are relevant that Sasaki has led, we're working in Evansville on the Ohio River. Uh similar, they tasked us with thinking at a broad regional scale through multiple communities and then zooming in on their downtown core. Uh and so this is part of that plan that has been unveiled now um that reconnects people with their waterfront in a really unique way uh that for years they've really been sort of segregated from their waterfront uh in a healthy way. Importantly on this one uh we've been thinking about funding from day one and we've secured 40 million to date in state ready grants that's going to really help them realize this vision. And so part of what our ask is uh that you all have uh asked of us is where are the funding sources? Uh how can we tap into state federal uh grants? Uh what are the opportunities locally and and is there an opportunity to tie in uh private groups? And so we're going to be looking at the sort of holistic capital build to understand uh what makes sense for you all. Uh as I mentioned before, resilience is a huge piece of this for you all. You've got walls and levies that protect you, but all many portions of your community are still impacted by floods. This is an example from Chicago

where um within about 12 hours of the flood waters receding, they're selling wine again on the riverwalk. And so a big piece of that is understanding uh what it means to operate something that can flood. Um it's similar in Cincinnati where that park floods multiple times per year. It's an incredible asset for the community in the times when it's not flooded and they've learned now how to bounce back quite quickly. Uh I mentioned funding. It can come from a bunch of different sources. State sources, federal government, uh grants, uh and local philanthropic community. Gaten Park was largely private, which was amazing for them, uh but is not necessarily the model here. And so we're going to want to think through with you all what makes the most sense. [snorts] And so for us, as I mentioned, this is about reconnecting you with the community uh and and the river and finding something that you're going to be really proud of and celebrate for decades to come. So that's our presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions and thank you again for selecting our firm. We're excited to be a part of it.

Commissioner May, Mr. Krisker, thank you so much. I'm beyond excited that we're here today and at this phase and I'm not going to go on an educational thing about why riverfront development matters from quality of life to economic development to all that. Either either you you you've got that on your head and we all know that or you've decided something else. I'm a firm believer that this checks all the boxes for the community. It is the catalyst project for groundbreaking transformation for Frankfurt, not just downtown Frankfurt, but the opportunities that it opens up for everybody, bringing in like the economic piece so we can reinvest in other parts of our community.

Um, it's it's astounding to me the way the universe works sometimes. I'll tell a quick little quip. Somebody knew that we were or this was after the fact. They were telling me, "You got to get to Gaten Park. You got to get to Gaten Park. You and your family are gonna love Gaten [snorts] Park." I had no idea you all were involved with it. And then when they announced where they they've narrowed down who they were selecting and then it was Sasaki and then going through and seeing, oh wow, you all do Gaton Park, you know, it's just

fantastic everything. And I love that we're paying attention to it being sustainable and being resilient and that you all focus and have worked with communities that battle the juxosition of having a river running right down through there. You know, nature's always going to win. Yeah. We're not going to stop it. So, we got to prepare for it. And I think preparing for it, which you all do, is great. So, thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner May. Commissioner Smith Boss.

Thank you, Mr. Krisco. Um, it's really nice to meet you all. Um I I'm just going to echo Commissioner May. Everything that he just said is super important, especially sustainability. Um I my my one question um kind of to u Mr. Ashcraft's citizens comment today is kind of the turnaround on the online survey and the community feedback. One of the really important things for me is I I love this. I think this is fantastic. I'm I'm going to sound selfish because I can't wait to dabble in it myself with my kid, but I'm not up here for me. I'm up here for the community. So I would like to see um or I would like to know what the plan of action is or the phase of community input for people like Mr. Ashk.

Yeah, great question. So um we're here this trip doing listening sessions with key stakeholders. Uh right after this we're going to start to put together some analysis drawings and an online survey that will be available for the general public. Uh that where we're going to ask questions around what would you like to see at the river riverfront? How can it be synergistic with other activities that are happening in the city? uh what are the areas where they see themselves wanting to engage with the river and what lessons learned are there from other engagements. And so that's going to be an online survey. We will then share the results of that survey plus some three three-level uh alternatives at a sort of major public engagement session that'll be both inerson and digital for those that aren't able to make it. uh we spend a lot of time thinking about how to reach the hard-to-reach communities because those are often times the ones that will end up using the space but we may not otherwise engage with them. And so that'll be a big part of our second wave. And then the third wave is sort of unveiling the plan. It's celebrating the vision and it's getting people excited about what's to come. And so uh there'll both be both inerson uh opportunities and online versions to engage with this process.

Perfect. Thank you,

Commissioner Richardson. I appreciate presentation and and what's funny I just last year was at uh the Riverwalk in Chicago and I talked to some folks there because that was my question. Um [clears throat] I was like this would be cool if we had some but the resilience of I think commissioner may you're not going to mother nature is going to be mother nature and but how quickly they bounce back. I have some friends in Cincinnati. Uh I talked to them as well that that's just kind of they know what to do to get that cleaned up. I guess my one question is when we do this, is there a vision for example to tie Capitol View Park into this? I would like to see I don't want to one thing I know that and I've been with the city a long time. We have great ideas and then this vision, but we don't think beyond

Yeah. that time or the next time. Now, I understand the big hold hold up to anything is funding, right? I I and I'm not trying to to bankrupt us either. Yeah. But I do think it's important when we look at this that we think about different phases as maybe funding comes available. Who knows what so is that something that that that will take place as well?

Yeah, absolutely. It's a great question. Uh I'm going to go on a limb and say this is going to come up in every single one of our meetings we're about to have because it was a big topic of the discussion this morning as well. Um I think what we've been charged with is we want to create a vision that everyone's excited about. That's a long-term strategic vision. It's got to have some wins in it that are reasonably doable for you all in terms of

financing, permitting, you know, ability to get things done. And so, uh, the vision is going to have to be, uh, broken up into a series of phases, thinking through that sequencing, thinking through how can you be responsive to the grants that become available, which we may not know today, but 6 months from now, there may be some that pop up that we can respond to. So, that's going to be a big piece of this. And so, um, I'd say to answer that question, yes. The other piece is, uh, connectivity was a major theme of the discussion this morning. How can we connect to the other assets that already exist in the city to make this part of a broader vision? And so, that'll be in the plan as well. How can you create a cohesive, connected system? Yeah. Thank you. [clears throat]

And I I'll say I'll echo what everyone else has said, but this is an exciting project. The riverfront developments been talked about here for for years and we in the past we've had a couple of plans that have touched on this. So I guess for the people that are that are thinking well why what's different with this one? What would you say to those folks?

Yeah, we're not we're not wiping the slate clean and restarting. In fact, there's a lot of good things in those plans. I think part of what this plan has to do is give you a roadmap for how to move forward. And so we'll be taking the great ideas from those plans, what we hear from the community, bringing our own set of ideas, infusing that all, but then creating a really strategic plan for how to move forward with this. And so, uh, hopefully this isn't something that sits on the shelf, but it's something that you can't say no to. Right. And that was the other part of that that once we have a plan that we want something that other uh potential partners at the state and federal level, something that they cannot review. if we show them this plan, it'll be so exciting

that they'll open up the the purse strings. And I think that's what this is about. We have to invest the money up front. We also had to invest in some properties uh you know, we picked up three properties in the past three years that are along the riverfront and that's important. Control is important and whatever you say goes on those properties, if it fits, we can RFP this and we can make sure it happens quicker. And I think that's the role of government is to help unlock those bottlenecks and that's something we're doing. And uh anyway, we're glad you're here. Hope hopefully you're loving Frankfurt so far. Yeah, we are. Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. Anything else?

Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Discussion item number two. We have the finance quarterly update with Amber Morland.

All right. Good afternoon. I just have maybe five minutes presentation. I just want to talk about our quarterly revenues. From July 1st to December 31st in comparison to last fiscal year, the city is up 9.7% in revenues. That is $2.4 million increase over last year. I would like to say we saw the largest increase in business net profits withholding and insurance. So we are doing very well in our revenues. I will say part of that increase in net profit was due to we allowed local businesses extra time to file this year through November just like the state due to flooding. So that did increase those numbers slightly. In regards to our expenditures, we are down 1% in comparison to last fiscal year. So our financials we are doing very well. We have um really implemented some some budgetary aspects that keep us in line and all [clears throat] department heads are working really tightly to make sure they're f they're staying in their budget and only asking this commission for items they actually have to have to run and operate. Any questions?

I thought you said five minutes. I was like two. Commission Senator Richardson. Sorry. Thank you. uh because this is important and obviously this is, you know, I try to play as [clears throat] much attention as I can to our finances. I think staff is doing real well. Um and I'm just going to say it. You know, I hear a lot of chatter that that the city's broke. We're not broke. We're not broke. We're not broke. We this this board and city staff, we're doing a great job to control our expenses and increase our revenues.

Thank you. We staff does appreciate that that that acknowledgement because it is hard sometimes to stay within a budget. You know, government always moves a little slower than profit. So, we do appreciate the acknowledgement because it it's not always easy to for department heads to make some of the decisions they have to make, but we're all, you know, part of the same team and we all understand to be physically responsible. We know what we need to do and we know how to get there. So, well, and that's that's just something I wanted to point out in public because I hear too much chatter. I'm sure you hear it. Yeah.

Uh I know that we had some uh you know, LA big this time last year, we had some stuff come up. But, you know, even in my personal life, I've had you know, things happen, right? Just like government, we have things [clears throat] happen that we have to we have we have to fix it, right? Or we have to buy it. But um I think uh it's important to recognize staff, the board that we've really done well to curb our spending, increase our revenue the best we can. Thank you, Commissioner Smith Willis.

I was going to echo Commissioner Richardson and I was going to um how he always says he like he he likes to take care of home, which I was going to use that before he did, but anyways, um I appreciate the fact that I, you know, talking to certain department heads, I know things happen just like Commissioner Richardson had said. Um, so I just appreciate you all being able, I think, between the board, staff, um, city manager, just having effective communication. So I do know that there are still ask out there, um, and things still might come up, but I really appreciate the work and the time that you all put in to practice restraint so we can try to get a little bit of ahead and in a better position than what we have been. So I just want to say thank you as well. Thank you, Commissioner May.

Just want to echo that. Yep. Thank you all. all know what it's uh it's very difficult to to kind of change course very quickly and uh and aggressively and I I think we've done that over the past year. I think we've been working that on that over several years as well with some of the boards and previous boards and identifying I think I was speaking to the mayor earlier about some of these things and I feel like our financial opportunities or or pitfalls at the city of Frankfurt it's not one glaring gleaming thing to me it feels like kind of the death by a thousand cuts and everyone's taking that

you know mission statement and that marching order and move forward with that and started to plug the little holes and you know we're talking about the ordinance changes that kind of balance back out the fairness from outdated ordinances and making efforts yes in the departments themselves. Um and I think we all look forward to being able to give back to those that have sacrificed, you know, a little bit and had some extra stressors. Yes. Over the past few months and years. Thank you.

And uh well what I hear is revenues up and expenses are down. Yes sir. Right. And uh revenues up a lot more than the expenses are down. But that I just want to also point out that and make sure that you know we're cutting expenses. We're not cutting services. You know this is not you know I'm willing to invest in you. I don't mind if expenses are going up if we're providing a level of service that the community expects and deserves. So I want to make that clear that you as long as we have that. Um, and also on the reserves that do you know what our reserves are? I believe we've got about 2.4 but if we've got this much revenue generating that'll be on top of the 2.4 that we have available for

2.4 above and beyond our minimum fund balance. Correct. Is that what So how much but our minimum fund balance is what? 14 million. Yeah. So to to Commissioner Richardson you know when you hear chatter that you know we're broke. I mean there we have 14 plus million dollars set aside. Agre. Yes. Yes. Right. And and so we and that's above what we set as a minimum fund balance. So it's not and and we can make adjustments on on any of this. And uh that's there there's o there's money set aside for opportunities and emergencies. Additionally, we have the um we'll discuss finance committee. We have the um oh we just discussed it 2.7 million

from workers compensation in so that's not even included in this that is not included in this yeah so we'll discuss that the next finance I guess but yeah so that's an additional 2.7 million above we're talking closer to 16 or 17 million okay that's all I had thank you all thank you for the update great update discussion item number is a proposed parks committee order for Sean Pickkins. Uh this was actually uh to set the stage for this is actually brought up by Commissioner May. Uh we were discussing uh we had a golf discussion and he said, "Why don't we have a committee for parks?" And Sean said, "Hey, let's work on this." And I'll let Sean kind of take it from there.

Yeah. No, it's it's pretty much as simple as that. I know we've got, you know, Jason and I meet gosh, once or twice a month at least, sometimes more if things are going on with the park staff. So, we we discuss a lot of things. And so, you know, we had that master plan completed back in 2020. Uh we've got the insurance premium tax funding and we've we've got a lot of big projects just kind of right there waiting to to go. You know, a big part of it with the Sasaki group as well, you know, with the downtown parks. So, you know, we're right at the precipice of, you know, some big high, you know, high dollar projects that have been talked about for a while. it just needs we need to get them you know to the starting to the starting point. So he and I talked it's like you know we really need to you know get some of these going. So bringing up the committee and you know we think it's a a very necessary step um not just for projects but for um you know policies and procedures our fees our revenue generation all all the things that that come up in park. So um so we would like to present that to you. looking at right now uh tentively looking at Thursdays in March. I know y'all wants another meeting to have to go to. I get it. But I think a lot of your committee currently is on Tuesdays, I think. So, we're looking at potentially on Thursday. We haven't set a time yet. Um just kind of wanted to see if you all were going to move this committee forward and then we can we're not set on Thursday. We can move. It works better for you guys. So, but we're tentively looking at Thursday and we can set a time. So, but that's basically it. Take any questions.

Yeah. This is going to operate the same as our other committees. It's going to be a good way that we can get things in front of that committee first and two of the elected officials first before bringing it to the whole commission such as fees and all these kind of things. Yeah. Yeah. What's the difference between this committee and the parks advisory committee that's made up of citizens that we appoint and approve? Yeah, very similar. Essentially, it won't really change how they operate. They'll make a recommendation. They'll review fees. They'll review policies, whatever the case might be. And essentially, instead of just coming directly to you, it'll go to that commission fir or to that committee first and then work through all the details and all the, you know, all the innuendo stuff and then eventually work up to you guys.

So, so it goes to them first and then correct runs through this committee. Yep. [snorts] Any other questions? Not. Commissioner May, I appreciate you bringing it forward. I think it's the committees have for me have worked out really well. It's nice, I think, for the community to know. I can't think of a more efficient thing we've done for keeping us in the loop as the deciding body on a lot of these issues and thinking about just all the staff's time, you know, getting something together and then to find out 72 hours before a meeting or 48 hours before a meeting, you know, that it's just not even something that Yeah.

wants to get up here yet or needs to be hashed out more. I think that's the goal is to make sure that we have something worthy of presenting to the board to make a decision on and that we've all kind of had a chance to ask a little more of hard-hitting questions or some of those detailed digging in type things before. Gives us a little more facetime with you guys to go through all the details because a lot of times they get complicated with which is the case with a lot of things. So, right. Thank you. Get you all informed better before we bring it up for a vote. Without any objection, you want to put this on the voting meeting February. Is that the plan? Yes, sir. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Good. Thank you.

Thank you, Sean. Sean, we will need uh two commissioners appointed to plan March meeting and unless there's any opposition, we'll stick to Thursdays. Thank you. Okay. All right. We have action item number four. We have FPD annual report with Chief Napier. [snorts]

Assistant Chief Tracy is handing out a a copy of the published version. It's exactly what we're going to go over here. I won't go through every page of this. We'll skip through some of it. Hit the highlights. Just um you know, save some time. If you'all have any questions, please stop me and and ask those or we'll answer them at the end. I want to give uh kudos to Assistant Chief Tracy. He spent a lot of time and effort in putting this this publication together uh for today. There's a lot of numbers, a lot of stuff to to sort through photographs, just trying to go back and remember what all we've done in 2025. It was a big year. um the the PowerPoint it didn't exactly play nice when we transferred it. So some of these slides look a little weird, but you all have the printed version there in front of you. So we'll get started. So we'll skip through some of that stuff uh real quick. I will hit you know Frankfurt's demographics about 28,000 residents 75% white 15% African-American with smaller percentages of Hispanic, Asian, and multi-racial residents. uh and the median age is 39 years old. The police department's divided into three divisions. We have an operations division, a support services division, and then Frankfurt E911. Those divisions are headed up by Captain Shane Music, Captain Kenneth Keith, and Captain Scott Morgan. So, I'm going to start with the honors for for 2025. So, our officer of the year was Elijah Amsler. Amsler, he did a fantastic job in the patrol division. He handled investigating a lot of cases while he was there. He had he's had a lot of interest in uh becoming a detective. Actually, uh that dream was made a reality in January of this year. He was actually moved to the criminal investigations division, but he was our

2025 officer of the year. And then our telecommunicator of the year was Yvon Hulker, better known as DD, those that know her. Um, again, I mean, I I think she really is the one that keeps that place running. She's always going above and beyond doing what's asked of her and and then some um just to try to make our dispatch center run as smoothly as it possibly can. She's constantly taking on extra tasks. And those um awards were actually they're recommended by by their peers. They're nominated by their peers. Um other award recipients. Yeah, I'll let you flip through that. Uh the Medal of Valor, Oscar Guvaro received the Medal of Valor. We actually had an incident just right before Christmas where we had an impaired driver the wrong way on the Thornhill Bypass and then Wilkinson Boulevard. Um, Officer Guvara responded, saw the vehicle coming at him. Um, activated his lights to try to get the driver to stop and then blocked the path. His vehicle was struck and he was injured in that collision. Um, but I mean, you have somebody driving the wrong way on Wilson Boulevard. I mean, that's that's a lot of danger to the general public and he he put himself directly in harm's way uh to stop that. Um, so he received a medal of valor for that. We have the William A. Hartung commitment to service award. That was officer John Fields. For those of you that that knew uh Chaplain Hartung, he he founded the chaplain's program at the police department, you know, was there for 20ome years in in an unpaid position and um you know, served the police department, the community well for a

long time. So, in his honor, we created this commitment to service award and and John Fields um embodies what that is about. Uh for for any any of you all that know John Fields, you know, he is of of the highest character, always volunteering his time um and has always been committed to the Frankfurt Police Department and whatever we in this community needs. I don't I don't think he has ever said no to anything. Moving along to uh fit for duty excellence award. There's 19 people on on this list total. I'm not going to name every one of them. Um, but that's over a third of our agency officers received this for scoring a 90% or above on their annual physical fitness assessment. Um, so just want to recognize them. So, getting into the kind of the the meat of it, I'd say what most people want to know about is is some arrest and crime reporting data. So, the Frankfurt Police Department responded to 33,211 calls for service in 2025. We broke those down. The number one arrest was for driving under the influence. We had 173 arrests for that particular offense. We also had 392 total felony arrests, 815 misdemeanor arrests, and 787 warrants served. So for the FBI, there are it's called neighbors reportable offenses. There's group A and B. The group A are the more uh serious crimes that the FBI that they're concerned with. So we have those broken down. So for 2025, we had two homicides, eight rapes, 292 assaults, 73 burglaries, 373, it says lararseny. That's the way the

FBI does its thefts. auto thefts uh were were 36 drug violations, a total of 185. Um you can go to the next slide. We'll skip the the charts. That's the same thing that's on the other one for the most part. Just laid out a little a little different. So next is our our training hours. So there is a lot of mandatory training that the police department um that we have to do but then there's a lot of specialized units that they have to have specialized training um safety and medical preparedness in advanced investigations, recruit development. There's a lot of categories that we have to put time and effort into um to make sure that we stay up on on our training. and the agency as a whole had almost well we had just over this slide at the bottom it totaled 10,245 actually when we recalculated everything um you know with some of the reertifications that we had to do we were actually at 11,31 training hours for for the year so Frankfurt and Franklin County E911 that's also under the police department, as you talked a little bit about it earlier, uh our dispatch center handled over 83,000 calls. So 23,446 of those were emergency 911 calls and they had 60,074 non-emergency calls. So that's just the phone calls coming in. That's not, you know, you dispatch a police officer or or fire, EMS, sheriff's deputy, anybody else. That doesn't include all of the radio traffic and how many times, you know, you have to use the radio in one of those calls. So that our dispatch center, there's a lot of volume that

comes through that dispatch center um you know, with the radio traffic and the phone calls. So they stay very busy in there. So, while we were kind of on the topic of, you know, E911 today, I wanted to to highlight that um [clears throat] you know, 83,000 calls for service is hundreds of thousands of radio transmissions total that they that they process and then it's entered into the computer. So, there our dispatch center is extremely busy. Um the next section is about comm community policing advocates. You can back that up. Bottom of it's theirs. I'm going to let them talk about um their statistics and and what they're doing. Um you know, homelessness, you know, abuse, some juvenile issues, domestic violence, things like that. Um that's what they what they handle a large part of that for us. And I I'll let them present their section.

Good evening. Hello. Um, just to first of all say we we really appreciate your all support in this position. We are one of sorry two which is fantastic two of 29 across the state of Kentucky. So we um we meet with our Kentucky Association of uh police social services every month to collaborate and try to come up with some great ideas and plans for our community. Um some of the you can see on the graph we most of the most of the um cases that we deal with are strictly with homelessness, general needs of services which could be general any kind of general need, say food, uh utilities, things like that that some of the folks that that our law enforcement comes in contact with may need assistance with. The other tops um are domestic violence and juvenile cases and seniors that are also in need of services. We're finding that more senior adults are having a lot more issues um you know with decline in cognitive capacity, things like that. Um and so we really try to focus on providing those resources to law enforcement because we want to reduce the recidivism rates. We don't want them to get called out 20 times every time. So what we try to do is we try to pro provide those supports in place to allow them to not have to continue to complete those calls. Excuse me. [clears throat] Um some of the things that uh we want to make sure that you understand too within the 445 cases that we dealt with this past year that does not those are unique individuals only. Um that does not include the case management piece that goes along with that, the continued phone calls, the text messages that we usually get. Um we get a lot of referrals from a lot of our different

places, not only just from law enforcement, but we get them from schools, um agencies that like Simon House, um different u you know different types of agencies that might need those support. Um, some of the other things that we have done too is provide a new program called situation table and we've done this now for about two years and I'll let Trisha talk a little bit about that one real quick.

Yeah. So, um, the general need of services that also encompasses any situation table referrals. We don't want to document those as situation table just due to the high confidentiality um, rate of that program. So, I know some of you all have heard about the program before. Um, we've been doing it since the end of 2023 and from from the beginning from the end of 2023 to now, we've had um close to 90 um situation table cases. Um those cases look a little bit differently than the cases, the 445 cases that Shelley was discussing. Those are based on a specific um high-risk um compilation of what might be going on for someone in our community. Um so those cases are are more lowering that risk factor and getting people connected to resources in our community, but it brings together community partners on our on those it could be an individual, a family, or a neighborhood that we've addressed. Um and it brings our community partners all together in one line of communication. That way we can all work together and stop working in silos. Um so that's really been a successful program. Kind of similarly to what Shelley was saying about our um what kind of um cases we're looking at in situation table housing basic needs and poverty is is what we've seen as the top risk factors there. Many of our cases involve children, seniors, and um people who are disabled. Um in reference to our situation table, we have been um recognized on a statewide level and on a national level um for our model for our situation table. I have spoken nationally on several occasions and

Shelley and I have spoken on the state level several times as well. Three times in 2025 and we spoke at the kids are worth it at conference which is through the prevent child abuse Kentucky and then we spoke at the uh Fris conference and then we also spoke at the Kentucky opioid sympo symposium last year. Um so that's kind of all I'll say about that. I could if you want to learn more just let me know and we can have a further conversation about that.

In [snorts] March of 2025 our program received a funding through core through the Kentucky opioid response effort. Um through that we've been able to start our quick response team. The quick response team is um a team made up of myself, Trisha, uh peer support specialists um and others in the community that are um willing to help us out in in reducing overdoses. So, what we do is we do home visits. We provide resources such as packets information to to programs uh Narcan um syringe information, syringe exchange information. Um we have included the health department and uh UK target 4. Um the the program is actually very been very successful and it's still growing. We're actually trying to to increase our awareness and increase our referral process at this point. So, and what we also do with that program as well is we support the families. Um, so I think that's a really important piece too when you're talking about someone who's suffering from substance use disorder or even mental health disorder, the families are affected as well. Um, so we also provide um resources to them and we've spoken to many family members in in very tough situations and and gotten them connected as well because they need just as much support as the individual is using Um, and I'll let Trisha talk a little bit more about this next topic um, that we have, but obviously 2025 brought on the major flooding that we had. Um, and Trisha and I were a major part in the support to our community and I'll let you talk about the mark.

Yeah. So, um, [clears throat] you all can read the statistics there of of what all we did during the flood, but we from April 4th until really about Derby, we were we were kneede, for lack of a better term, um, in working through this flooding. um connecting folks to sheltering, um talking with families that had lost all their things or even had um lost family members, helping them get connected to grieving supports. Um and then like she said, the the biggest thing that we undertook um the two of us aside from sheltering um was the multi- agency resource center. So that was up at um 827 Leewood Drive um right there next to Multiply Church. It was it was connected with our disaster recovery center that that FEMA puts on. But how the re multi- agency resource center works is it's community partners basically set up tables for flood victims or flood affected people to go through and receive even if it's something that they may have always been connected to. We had folks like um family support. So, if people had lost their um food stamps, they could get connected to that resource again. Or it was just a way for people to walk in and have a one-stop shop to where they could um get all those resources. And and kind of like the situation table, we received statewide recognition for that. and was our we were called by other communities to help them set theirs up um the way that we set ours up which the situation table was very very helpful in that because we already had those partnerships.

That's all from us. That's all we have. Thank you. Thank you. [clears throat]

And I will say with our community policing advocates, a lot of what they deal with, homelessness, mental illness, substance abuse at face value, those things aren't crimes but can lead to to criminal behavior that we would would get involved in. But even with some of the in these other categories, um you know, the the police are called for just about any when somebody needs help on on any level, you know, they call into to Frankfurt Franklin County E911 and a lot of times police officers are sent and really at the end of the day is as brash as it as it sounds, you know, we can cite somebody, we can take somebody to jail, but there's not a whole lot that we can do sometimes, you know, beyond that depending on the situation. So, you know, law enforcement might not be the appropriate response even though law enforcement, you know, were the ones that were called um to the scene. So, what our community policing advocates, what they have done is there's a lot of resources that are available that they knew about as social workers, but law enforcement really wasn't connected into. So having them on staff, I they're one of the positions there that I can't imagine how we did it before they were there because they they take a lot of strain off of law enforcement and we have never liked responding and telling somebody I don't know what to do about your situation and I don't know how I can help you. That's not an appropriate response and we don't like telling the community that we, you know, sorry, you're you're out of luck. Um, but what we do know is that we can call Trisha and Shelley and we can say, "Here's the situation that that we have been sent to. This is what we've got. What do you think?" And you know that they're on call, they'll respond after hours. Um, the referrals, things like

that. It's taken a lot of pressure off of our patrol units just knowing, hey, some of these things that we can't arrest our our way out of or sight our way out of, but they are a community problem that we've been called to, we know who we can contact to at least get the ball rolling on getting resources and getting them help. So, they've been a huge part of that and a huge part of of our response for some things that, you know, they're not criminal in nature. Um, so just want to give them kudos there. So, you know, moving along to our narcotics detectives, um, our narcotics section. So, they're, you know, 2025 was, uh, was a highly active year for them. They secured 32 arrests. Now, this isn't 32 just drug arrests. This is our narcotics detectives uh, made 32 arrests. These are higher level investigations. Um, of those 32 arrests, we had five federal indictments. The financial impact on on this was uh $145,699.78 in US currency was seized and six assets valued at $55,000. Um also 10 weapons seized, three of which were stolen. The drug seizures, cocaine was uh was the highest weight amount seized. Uh they seized over 45 pounds of cocaine, about 20 pounds of marijuana, 69 gross grams of methamphetamine, and then four gross grams of fentinel powder and 28 pills. Four gross grams of fentinel powder is roughly 2,000 lethal dose units. two milligrams is considered a lethal dose unit. So that's a that's a lot of fentinel that these guys got off the streets.

So now the Citizens Police Academy is one of the um it's it's really popular. We've done it for a long time. I I think it was started it was started when you all were right before that. I was going to say that's what I thought. So, we we've done it for quite a while and Assistant Chief Tracy runs the Citizens Police Academy now. So, I'll let him talk about uh the Citizens Police Academy, what that entails and how we're running that program. Now,

I'm going to be quick. U really the Citizen Citizens Police Academy, it's really about communication, education, um and a good way just to connect with the community. Uh we did two classes this year. Uh we did one for just the general public. Uh Commissioner Smith Willis participated. I think she had a pretty good time. I hope she had a pretty good time. Um and it's just really a way for our officers to get in contact with the community for them to learn from us. Uh a lot of people have there's a lot of misconceptions out there uh about law enforcement and how procedurally things work uh even uh on a lot of the laws and and things that take place. So, it's a really great way for us to just educate and have that engagement with the community. Uh, you know, we talk a lot, chief and I do, about making deposits in our community, and this is just one way for us to make a deposit. Um, and it we have a great time. Uh, we've kind of changed a little bit of the way we do things. We try not to just sit in a classroom, but we actually try to get them to participate. Uh, this year, our our criminal investigations division set up a mock crime scene and showed them how to work through a crime scene. Uh, so you know, things like that, the the more you that are more participatory, people really get into it, man. They just they love it. And and and I I love doing it. When I first started doing it, I I wasn't so sure about taking over the CPA, but then when you get to doing it, you just it's a blast. Uh and then also, we did one on I started this uh this was the second year, 2024 was the first year we did it. We do a CPA class on the campus at Kentucky State University with the criminal justice department. Reached out to Dr. Williams a couple years ago. He was all about it. Uh and I that I I love that class. Uh being able to do that on campus. Uh and we do do it on campus because some of the students maybe don't

have, you know, u cars and things like that. They're young adults. Uh you know, so uh we actually we go to them. Uh it's a little bit abbreviated. We usually do about seven weeks versus the nine almost 10 that we do with the regular CPA. Uh but it's a great way for us to be involved with Kentucky State University. Uh and they get to see our faces and and get to know who your local law enforcement is because we have officers from um several different um units and things like that come and teach themselves. So, it's not just me standing up there every week, but we have guys from, you know, the K9 officer, SWAT, you know, detectives, things like that, all come in and get to participate in these classes. So, um, that's kind of just a low down dirty. I am going to throw a plug out there. We are starting a class March 11th. Uh, so if you know anybody, we are getting close. I'm getting close to being full. So, if you know anybody that wants to participate, uh I would encourage uh any of you all on the commission that want to participate to come do it. I think that that's just, you know, you really get to learn a little bit more about how we operate. Rob, I would even uh challenge you to come do it, buddy. A lot of things changed since 1960s. We do things a little different. Okay. So,

how did I know? [laughter] I appreciate that. I can't take him anywhere. [clears throat]

No. [laughter] All right. So, the the 2025 flood, we've already talked about it a little bit. Um, but from the the police response, you know, we led emergency operations all the way down to conducting door-todoor welfare checks and evacuations of the South Frankfurt and Bellpoint area. officers enforced curfews and evacuated zones to protect property. Here's a big one. From April the 5th until April the 19th, uh the response required 1428 and a quarter overtime hours costing an estimated this is salary. This isn't fringe benefits on that too. Costing $67,341.19 in salaries in that two weeks. It was it was all hands- on deck. Um, our criminal investigations division actually came out and covered a a lot of that because we couldn't cover it only with the our patrol division uh command staff came out, helped with um with some of it. We had [clears throat] neighboring agencies that that are great partners um come in, help us out. We worked with the sheriff's office and you know, we got everything covered and and you know, I'm proud of the response that that we had um in that that first push right there. You know, including um you know, there were some projections that water could even get into the police department. We evacuated the first floor of the police department and I was sitting here as a as a brand new police chief thinking um I'm certain that we've never had to do a one call to hey we need all the police officers to come down here so we can evacuate the police department and move

everything including our evidence vault to a secure location. So it it was uh it was new for everybody. Um, like I said, I'm proud of the response that we had and the time that that um, you know, that everybody invested in that. It was a lot as you all know. A lot of you all were heavily in invested in this, too. Um, very long days for everybody. Our CPAs helped establish seven emergency shelters that planned for up to 1,000 unhoused individuals. Thank goodness, excuse [clears throat] me, that we didn't hit that number, but there was a plan in place that for 1,000 unhoused individuals. All right. So, also in 2025, we did have a promotion. So, Joseph Williams was promoted to sergeant in January of 2025. We were putting this together. I thought, man, is that we really only had one person promoted that year? Um, and we did. That was the only promotion. We've already had four this year already. So, um, other career accomplishments, Lieutenant Patrick Brooks graduated from Criminal Justice Executive Development. We had Detective Nick Patton graduated from the Kentucky Criminalistics Academy. It's that's weeks long. They do some very indepth um learning investigations, homicide investigations. The criminalistics academy, as far as Kucky's concerned, is kind of like the the apex of of training for detectives. So, um that's a huge career accomplishment for Detective Patton. We also had um Shane Mus graduated from the FBI National Academy. There's his picture in the bottom right. And then our very own

Shelley Hearn was recognized as a champion of adult maltreatment prevention recognized um by Governor Andy Basher and given that award in the Capitol Rotunda community events. Do we get a total of how many we did? I don't I mean it was

it it was it was a lot. Um well on on the back page it says 18 but but of those 18 you know the concert series was five events. There were four nights of security and then the event night for Haunting on the Hill. So three nights for the candle light tour, five events for for PICE. So there's there's a lot of stuff there. There's some other runs and races and things like that that uh we participated in that aren't on that list that we typically do. But um our community events we try to be very involved. We had I know the in those photos there's the Relay for Life uh Move with Mad at the Capitol. We had our our Christmas movie. That's the second time that that we've done that. We did it in 24 and then again in 25. Got Home Alone one and two covered in those two years. Coffee with the Cop. National Night Out. Uh said u the torch run. We had Kentucky State University Health Fair, Cram the Cruiser, Salvation Army bell ringing. You know, we we try to to invest heavily in community engagement as well. And then this last part of it said there's some of the events that we worked and then I'm not going to go through all this but I have you know each month kind of some of the highlights who is officer of the month um people that that graduated from the police academy dispatch academy new hires um things of that nature if you you want to see how that breaks down throughout the year. So that kind of sums up our 2025. Do you all have any any specific questions?

Open it up for discussion or questions. Commissioner M. No specific questions. Just a heartfelt thank you for putting this together and continuing to do what you do to serve our community. It's a you got a a much bigger community than just those that live here that you serve with people that come in to to tour our amazing town and people that come in to work here.

And we we ask you to continue to do the same all the time while as we saw in the financial we were asking everybody just kind of pull back a little bit and and tighten it up. But you were still asked to go above and beyond this year and the impacts of the flood and you know having all those numbers broken down as those of us that may make decisions on it. We appreciate it from that standpoint, but it also just kind of helps codify the importance of what you all do day in and day out 24/7, 365. Everybody that takes that oath and wears that badge and works over there for us, we appreciate all the first responders just every day. You're you're the the lifeline of our community. So, thank you,

Commissioner. I think I'm going to speak a little bit more candidly here and I think life is full circle personally and so being in this position and being able to review this report and to be able to work with you on a professional level I first want to say thank you um systematically I think there's always an issue but when I look in locally I do think that we have a very good police department I appreciate you all for always being transparent and honest with me um officer Tracy you know we've had very constructive conversations around the community itself um Trisha and Shelley do a fantastic job but just coming from somebody that has always given you all push back in the past. I really appreciate you all. And then seeing some of those numbers on narcotics, you know, I don't think the community might not know, but my dad passed away from a fentanyl overdose. So, thank you for getting it off the streets. Um, working with the community that gives you all push back occasionally when things aren't going right on a national level cuz it's not you all personally. It's just kind of just a little bit unjust and unrest, but locking in in a local level, just thank you all for the work that you put in and um I'm just always appreciative for you guys. So, thank you. Thank you,

Commissioner Richardson. Well, I make no bones that my very first priority getting elected this position is the government's number one job is to protect its community or its citiz. So, you're doing a great job. Um, I love I love the the all the detail to this. Probably took a while that you put this together. I would give you a hard time since you gave me a hard time, but I won't. But um again, you know, I'm very proud of the police department. I think you do a good job. I think a lot of times the community doesn't realize that um you do a good job, but you hold each other accountable.

And a lot of times when I teach classes in law enforcement that the thin blue line is not about taking care of each other is as much about accountability because one badge can make the entire badges look bad. I think all of you including um our community advocation with Derek. I did a quick math on some of what you all do. I can tell you the two things that just stuck out to me were the homelessness

and the mental ill illness. Those are two things I remember being on the street uh and adult abuse. You don't deal a lot with that, but those are things we had no answer for, right? And and you didn't really know what to do. And as a law enforcement officer, you felt very hopeless, right? Because you were like, where do I direct these people to? Uh, a lot of times it was for, you know, it was a state service that was overwhelmed in itself. Uh, I'd like to see our legislators do more in that area with uh especially when it comes to mental illness. uh those there's a lot there is not a lot of resources even for you out there and and we've got to do something with that. Uh and sometimes mental illness with the substance abuse go hand in hand. Uh and not because they're I'm not picking on them but but I I've seen that firsthand. But again, I think you guys do a great job. Uh I love how chiefs hold people accountable. Uh and um just keep up the good work. Thank you.

And thanks. I I do have a quick question on the tens of thousands of calls that come in to dispatch. I think 60,000. What non-emergency calls now? Are they still police related or are they are these I guess what percentage would you guess are like just like are anybody calling are they calling in for city services in any way? Like

no, not usually. So those calls that's not just police calls. It could be, you know, us for for E 911's numbers, EMS, you know, city fire, county fire. That's their their total number of calls that came into the the E911 center for Frankfurt and Franklin County. We had it was 33,000 and something um total police calls. Um the dispatch center had 83,000 calls. So it it really just depends. They they're usually not calling into our dispatch center for other city services. It's police, fire, MSH.

It's adjacent. They're calling, you know, something related to public safety and not right. and and those non-emergency calls. I mean, sometimes people call the non-emergency number if if they've had a collision and it's not an an injury accident or, you know, sometimes we have 911 calls that's not really an emergency. And sometimes we have just the regular landline calls that they probably should have called 911 for, but they're broken down that way. We can see how many came in 911 and how many came in on the non-emergency lines. And so that's those numbers. Thank you, Commissioner.

And a follow-up question to that. When I guess situational, if you all go to a scene, it's cleared and Trish and Shelley step in, is that just localized Frankfurt or is it Frank Franklin County? Like, is that like do you all serve everybody in our circumference of our community? Did that came out right? It Yeah, it it's typically the city of Frankfurt. However, there have been events in the county and I don't know if you can name one specifically, but yes, there are some that go into the county and we're not going to tell people no. We're not we're not just curious and help you out who you all service.

Yeah. So, we do I mean it's primarily the city. I mean, that's that's what they focus on, but we help the county out, too. I know the sheriff's office, they've had the sheriff's office has responded to some scenes and and it's kind of the same thing. you know, law enforcement's like, "We don't know what to do here and they need help and we don't know what services to connect them with." And they've made a call and said, "Would you mind if Trisha and Shelley came out and looked at this and helped us out?" And we don't ever tell them no. Cool. Thank you, Commissioner Richardson. To answer, maybe I can answer your question, Mayor. Probably I had [clears throat] when I worked, I had a call for the wrong toppings on their pizza. That was a 911 call. I know who that was.

I know. [laughter] But I will tell you, I know how the police department I know how Frankfurt Police Department is. And they still operate this today. I had a person one time call. They didn't call 911. They sprung a leak in their water bed and they did not know what to do.

It was a slow night. At 3:00 in the morning, I helped them out. And you would have thought I saved their life. And I probably did because their entire I mean it could, you know, if anyone knows anything about a water bed. I know our police department. Now, I'm not saying they're ignoring emergency call to do that, but I do want to say that the the very the calls for service. Now, I hope we're not answering wrong toppings on pizzas no more, but uh but that type of service our community I I will tell you our the the service our community is getting cuz I am still in law enforcement to some extent. There are communities that do not get that type of service. So when they call, we majority of the time we send someone there.

A lot of communities don't do that. It the SC the call is screened at the 911 agency. We pretty much we we rely on our officers to do that which I'm very proud of to say. Good. Good to hear. Good report. All right. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Somebody said that is a wrong topic. I did [clears throat] item number five in our discussion is solid waste discussion. This is just a continuation of past uh few meetings and uh Sarah gathered some additional information that was requested from the board at the last meeting.

Okay. So I tried hopefully to take everything that we've talked about over the last several conversations that we've had and kind of distill it down into a few hopefully straightforward tables. So it's mostly numbers that we're talking about. Okay. So if you guys recall when we started this whole conversation, I said that in my opinion, we had three options moving forward. We could do nothing. We could institute a a fee and we keep collecting garbage [clears throat] or we can privatize the solid waste service. So what I've done in this presentation is come up with the cost to do each one of those and then at the end we'll compare what that looks like across all three options. Okay? So we can discuss. So first the do nothing scenario and by do nothing I mean we continue on as is. We're not planning to um really upgrade much. We're not increasing services. We're not hiring any new people. We're just going to keep on keeping on. So, the items you see here are the projected FY26 budget. Um, the costs that we talked about last time that weren't included when we discussed this previously. So, all of the insurance, workers comp, all of that. And that is just the solid waste portion. That's not the entire cost for the city. It's just just for solid waste. Um, and then uh capital expenditures. And the reason there's two is because um some years you might buy one vehicle, some years you might buy two. So that's the primary difference you see between the 450 and the 900. Other things kind of lumped in there um building improvements, security, ventilation, HVAC, um and then some sort of routing software, which I think regardless of what we do is something that kind of we need to look into. So, it comes to a total, and this is an

annual cost. Um, and I circled the high number because, well, one, it's safer to assume you're going to spend the higher number, but if we continue doing what we're doing over the next, you know, year or two, we're probably going to have to put a little more in up front to get the fleet in a little bit better situation. Okay. Next, we have the solid waste fee scenario. So, last time we talked about this and I I believe Lisa brought this up at the last meeting, I had come up with a number that was like $25$26 per household, but um those insurance premium workers compensation numbers were not included in that. So, Kathy um Kathy and Jason actually helped get all those numbers together and so we've we've included that in this total. Um, we also included an estimate for third-party billing. Um, so it includes a one-time setup fee and an annual [clears throat] software fee that the city would pay. Um, I wasn't I did reach out to uh Open Gov and I haven't heard back yet to see if they have something that would be available to help out with that. Um, so that's an unknown. This was just based on searching um nationally kind of what the ranges are. And uh I actually estimated a little bit on the lower end of the ranges, not the lowest because it's not the most complex billing system or billing service, the service you bill for. And we're a smallish community, not not huge. So that number comes out to 33.87 per resident per month. Um, I should say also included in um the additional staff. That's um like one additional driver and one admin to kind of help. Um

trash is what we get our the most calls on period. If if we were to continue doing the service and implement a fee, [laughter] the calls are going to it's it's a full-time thing probably I think. So that's what that emmer comes from. Uh then on to privatization. So this is kind of an overview of what we've talked about the last couple times. Um I've just paired it down to responder A and B. And these costs at the the the top four rows there. Um that's cost the city uh depending on whether you do bi-weekly or weekly recycling. uh the listed cost per resident is what they're charging the city per resident. It's not what they would charge the resident if we build them. Those those amounts are slightly higher and I can pull those up in a minute if you need to see them. Um so I mean obviously if this is the route we choose to go, we still have some decisions to make in terms of which option we would go with, but the lowest of those four listed is excuse me bi-weekly from responder A at 2.425. 425 million per year. Uh possible savings that we might see. Um we'd have a one-time saving of getting rid of our fleet or most of our fleet. Um that range that's listed there is based on responder B actually gave us a quote as we talked about before of 1.4ish million to purchase all of our vehicles. If we were to keep a few, we think it'd be closer to maybe like 1 millionish. So that's that's what that range is there. Another possible savings over time, which we've talked about, if we go this route, we're not letting anybody go, but if over time you guys decide to lower staffing levels through attrition,

looking at just the solid waste staffing, it's approximately 75 76,000 per full-time person per year. Okay. So, the costs associated with with that, um, you've got your annual costs, your staffing costs, and your one-time fleet management or fleet sales savings. So, year one, you're looking at 2.7 to 3 million, and years two and above, you're looking at four to 4.3 million if the city pays the bill. Um, so the biggest well the diff the difference between year 1 and year two plus is obviously the fleet purchase price goes away, right? That's a onetime thing. There's also um both responders included um a scheduled increase annually. So that's included in there as well as just general like staffing costs going up. Um yes. So all those numbers in one table hopefully. I was trying to make this I really struggled with and I think this has been the problem with our previous conversations is it's really hard to talk about these things and compare them because they're they're not identical services. Right? So, I did my best to come up with um the monthly equivalent or actual cost of the resident and the annual cost of the city for all three services. I know there's four listed there, but that's just the difference between bi-weekly and weekly for privatization. Um, does this table make sense? Okay. So, that is essentially my presentation tonight. um what kinds of thoughts, questions,

ideas, concerns do you guys have or recommendations? So on on this page here, so on in the fee scenario, if we pass that on to the public, that is a weekly recycle. Yes. Yes. The fee the fee that I came up with was for overall kind of improving our services. um getting back to a weekly pickup. Um yeah. Yes. The 33.87. Correct. The 3387 a month. Yes. Does that include that? I was asking. It's okay.

So the solid waste fee scenario, does that include that 3387 does that include any funding for capital projects? It includes funding. Let me go back to it. Like we we estimating new trucks. Yes. Yes. So, every all the costs listed in this table are incorporated in that 3387 a month. So, it's meant to cover all solid waste services in its entirety. Yes. Sorry. Put it back on the table. Actually, no. I don't I was just thinking out loud my face up.

Well, on that [laughter] on on Commissioner Richardson's question. So, in that solid waste fee scenario, we're we're just averaging that we're we're assuming we're going to purchase a truck and a half a year, right? Yeah. Some years one, some years two. Okay. And then on the privatization scenario, pay for service, maintain staffing. That that's assuming the staffing cost 1.4 million. That mean that's assuming we keep everybody on the city correct payroll and nobody goes to

correct. Yes. This Yes. That 2.66 to 2.954 that assumes that we pay the bill. We sell all or most of our fleet and that staffing levels are maintained at 100% of what they are right now. And that's the So the private company would hire all new people. Correct. Which is high that's unlikely, right? We're going to have some of that. So that's our worst case.

I did go through if you guys are interested and kind of look at um just like say say we did this and during the course of all of this happening three of our employees left that would be approximately 2275 227,500 that year that we would not be spending. Okay. And then let's say on kind of the other end of things, let's say almost everybody leaves because we have three tier one employees, which probably would go nowhere, and uh two tier 2 employees, but let's say let's say five or six people stayed and everybody else chose to leave, you're looking at $758,000 in personnel costs if you don't rehire those positions. Yeah. So, it's

Say it one more time. I was still stuck on the 220. I was No, it's okay. So, if you look at the total personnel costs in solid waste and divide it by 19, just pretend everyone makes exactly the same. It's $75,827 per person per year that we're spending. If 10 of those people decide to part from the city [snorts] on their own, $758,000 that year that you're not spending in personnel costs. Does that make sense? Okay.

So, in that in the year one cost comparison, in that scenario, it's going to be even it's going to look even better by $750,000 or whatever that is $750,000. Yeah, if 10 people were to say peace and we would still have nine people working within the city on other things now. So we bolstered our so in that first year we're saving money and we've also have nine more people doing helping out in other capacities streets and that was that was my

beautifification. Well, and do we not have other I mean I know we hire like you know other work that we hire for even if it's seasonal work it's it's work that can be done throughout the [clears throat] city people that we already have. So there is maybe a savings somewhat it's just not actually in your department. Correct. Yeah. I mean yeah how how [clears throat] the employees Yes. How the employees that stay on are utilized is you know a discussion to be to be had. I've certainly thought about it a lot, but Mr. May, for my clarification, the 3387 under the saw wage fee scenario. Yes,

we're only talking about or we're talking about trash and recycling. Correct. Just that we would still do yard waste. We wouldn't do we currently do those services now. So, my my thought process is that we would continue to do those. Okay. um and probably do them the same way we're doing now, like scheduled and um but yes, that would include um bulky item yard waste scheduled is was my thought process. Okay. It does include it in the 3387. I would think so. Yes. I I wouldn't anticipate doing away with that if we're doing it now,

right? I you know all of that effort and all that the personnel costs and the equipment costs associated with that are currently included in our budget. So yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Freshman cap and these dag on tiers that y'all be talking about. Tier one, two, and three. How and me and Jason just talked about this. Don't don't be mad at me. [laughter] Tier one, two, and three. How many employees are tier one? Or also we could do this another day, but Okay. In solid waste, we have three tier one employees. And that's like the tier, right? Like that's the one that depends on who you ask, but I believe Okay, got [laughter] it. Yes.

Two tier two. Two tier twos and the remainder. Okay. Tier three. 18 out of 18 or I think we're 17. We're 17 or 18. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Thank you. No problem. And sorry, no, go ahead. Back to the tier employees. I of course anybody at any time is welcome to pursue whatever right

employment they wish. I would be shocked if your tier one or even tier 2 employees chose to leave. Um, I might be wrong about the tier twos, but the tier three employees, um, [clears throat] knowing knowing what I know about some of the staff members, I I think there's even a handful of them that really value being at the city because of the type of work we do and because of some of the benefits of being here. So, I I don't think I could be wrong. I don't think I don't think more than half, probably not even that many, would be actively looking to go, but I don't know what might be offered to them. So, you know, I could be completely wrong, but yes. Sorry.

Well, it's a million-doll question, and I mean, you don't know. I I can tell you u I I would say you're tier two and one, they they're not going to go anywhere. Uh and and it would come down to whatever the individual, you know, private industry has benefits that government work does not. You just have to weigh that, right? I guess my question, mayor, would be to the board was, you know, I think we're looking at and I'm assuming from your this report, we're looking at a couple different uh topics here. One being do we privatize it and pay for it? Or do we keep it in house and do we charge for it?

Um, I think those are the discussions that we need to have. uh because I think they're they're different topics, right? Whe whether we if we even if we privatize and pay for it or so I guess the thing is are we going to charge for this service or are we going to keep like we have it and pay to privatize it or obviously you've given us numbers if we do nothing and stay where we're at. Yes. Quite frankly, the do nothing scenario probably the one thing that I've pointed out, wrote a note, we have if we do nothing, if we just keep it, we drop it. Okay. Hey, this was, you know, not that we wasted our time. No, no,

but we have to have new trucks. That that that is that is a that we know that and we kind of know what they're going to cost. So, I I think we're to the point of those two issues. Are we charging for it? um or are we um yeah and pay it forward.

When I was putting this together originally I wasn't even going to include the do nothing and then I crunched the numbers and thought no I need to I need to put that in there for comparison purposes just to see that it's not actually that far off from some of the other things we're talking about in terms of overall cost whether that cost is paid by the individual or by the city. It's not it's not wildly different. Um, so I thought it was worth having it in there for comparison purposes. It's a good thing. I I can tell you that I I don't I mean charging for it is this it's it's a big decision because now all of a sudden we've we've went from not charging and and I think Commissioner Smith Wells said it. I mean

30 something dollars a month 30 what was it? 3387 may not seem like a lot but that's a lot of money. I mean, for a lot of people, um, the reason I brought this up in the first place was obviously sustainability.

Uh, and we we've got to do something. I know there's communities around us that don't pay for the garbage, but uh and maybe it's down the road we look into this, but you know, [clears throat] I'm I'm I'm just looking to save money to to use city money for different ventures that we have going on that we know in the near future without tapping into our reserves and looking at our revenue stream over the next, you know, I know we are going to grow. I know we have some big things on the horizon, but I always I don't count my chickens before they're hatched and and I'm just going to base on this budget we have now, which I think we're doing great. I just don't want to get I think this is a way that I want the community to know. The reason I I looked into this was we could save a little bit of half a million dollars may not seem like a lot of money to people when it comes to our budget, but that's a lot of money when it comes to things that we're trying to do within the community. and and I don't even want to go through the list of things um that are out there.

Certainly, Commissioner, I also just want to um kind of echo that. You know, when I look at this 3387, let me back up. When we approached this conversation, it was because I feel like to our core values, transparency is key. And I feel like once again, I feel like I'm doing a disservice if I'm not exploring all the options that the city has in front of us. Second part, 3387. as a single mom sitting up here, I I'm I'm looking at this from all perspectives. So, to Commissioner Richard's point, um you know, what we decide up here, we also take on as citizens of Frankfurt.

So, I just also wanted to say thank you for trying to clarify all the all the parts of this. Um but in terms of the community and what works best for them, but still while saving money and being sustainable for future generations. You know, I'm not going to be here forever. Um, but when Milo turns 18 and he decides to have a starch department, what does trash service look like? Is it convenient or is it still where we're at right now? So, I do want to keep the fleets up to date. I don't want to have to keep coming into these pickles that we're in and like, do we do a truck or do we stop recycling for a certain, you know? So, I just kind of wanted to publicly say that because I feel like it's important that we're exploring this option. Um, but currently right now a few things look best for me, but I'm also reflecting on it as a citizen as well. So, I just want to say thank you for providing this information. No problem.

Commissioner May, as we continue talking about what route we want to go, are there communities that have Could we pay part of it and then pass the rest of it on? Like what if what if we just put in our budget we're going to write a check for a million dollars to company A or company B and cover that 3.6 or cover that and then the rest of it. So we could bring if we go fee route if that's what we choose. I mean we could cut the fee down and still save. We could that yes that 3387 is assuming that the fee the resident pays pays 100% right

all of the solid waste services. If you guys want to look at it, you know, a shared approach that can happen. We can also do that with the privatization. I mean, they did quote us rates that they would charge if they if they build the individual residence, which like uh the 1899 is actually 1999 if they build directly to the citizen. So, I mean, but there's there's room there, too. I mean, we could, like I said, this the contract if we choose to go this route is not yet written. So, We can explore. Yes, there can be a sharing of costs if that's what if that's what the commission wants to do. Yeah.

I'm curious about logistically how difficult or easy that is. I mean, is it truly, you know, that quote is not going to waver from if we go with what we see up here? What what would make it change the the final? Is there anything they can do in the contracts that say, "Well, that's a pretty hard estimate, but we may come back at the year and say we need a little bit more, or will it

will that be an easy thing for the city to take on?" In my mind, I don't like splitting up bills among you pay some of this and you pay some of that. I feel like it's a logistical nightmare. I could be completely wrong. I suspect, having not talked to the the responding uh companies, since they gave us the rates that they would charge an individual residents, they're building into that quote their inconvenience, right? Their their work,

their potential losses from bills unpaid, etc. Um, I suspect if we went to them and said, "Hey, we want to go kind of a hybrid route. We're going to we're going to pay a million and you're going to bill the customer for the remainder." I suspect they would just do the math and lower the customer rate and be done. Um, I haven't asked them that specifically, but I, you know, they've already they've already given us quotes to do the billing and the collecting. Okay. So they've already considered that an option and us paying say a million dollars is just one more bill. It's not$10,000. Fair, right? Yep. So, okay. Thank you.

I suspect that's not a big deal. Okay. So, it's privatiz or not. Mhm. And then that's the first question and now we're on the clock for that because we have a couple of proposals out there that have the time the deadline and then then it's do we charge for it or not once we've made that first decision and um I think what what can

my worry if if we privatize is the is is there could be a drop could be a drop off in in service. Um, I'm sure there's residents who've had their we we've skipped them on a trash week or we picked up their trash can or something who would, you know, they would probably say [laughter] that, you know, they there's always going to people that that complain about some part of what we provide. But I do think though that, you know, there is something about if it's city provided, you know, it's hard to for a private company to care as much about the community. They don't have the same rights as we do. And I think I worry about that that drop off, potential drop off. I understand. I mean,

financially it makes sense to privatize. I get it. And that's my only concern is is the drop off on that whether we charge for it or not. Personally, I'd rather not. I think you we charge a property [clears throat] tax, but an occupational tax. I think, you know, within the money that we raise from those, that's what we we need to provide all of these services for. Uh, but on the other hand, I realize that every other community outside of Franklin County in the state charges some type of fee for this, whether they do it in-house or it's charged by a private company. So, I realize we're an anomaly here in the state, but I just like the fact that we do it here in Frankfurt and Franklin County. It's a service. Perhaps we don't get the credit for it that we deserve in the community because it is something when people, you know, they're quick to compare us to other communities and wonder why, you know, they have this or why their tax rates are this, but this is something you're not paying for in Frankfurt and Franklin County.

Correct. So, uh, that's for me where well, we don't have to make a decision tonight, but that's something that's where I am my thinking on it right now. Commissioner, how um I left my other notebook at home. I wrote it down, I swear. What day? What's our deadline? And then when do we have a public works and infrastructure committee meeting? Is that gonna be before the deadline or after? And I'm saying that to say because I would love I don't have my calendar feedback. I'm trying to look. It's not [laughter] on my calendar for some reason. Um I think the public works and infrastructure committee meeting will be in March I believe. We open bids on January 6th and we had 90

and we have up to 90 days. They have Yeah, they have to honor their quotes for 90 days. So, we're pushing it to to continue conversation at this point now is what it seems like. March 17th. March. Okay. Okay. March 17th is the public works infrastructure. Okay. Yes. Commissioner Rich,

I just want to add on Mayor what you were saying and and I completely agree with the mayor. We I think our I think we do a great job with our sanitation pickup. I do. very unique to our community. But part of it is, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, and this is probably not popular. You know, I get beat up constantly for decisions and things we don't have. I'm going to bring a topic up is a swimming pool. So, I'm going to just look at Amber in the back. Is if we charged and I'm going to go if we went privatization, meaning the best bang for the buck, and the and the individual paid $18.90, that's that's 2. I'm going on your numbers. 2.6 $6 million back in our budget that would help on a bond payment for a swimming pool. Am I correct on that?

You are correct. So part of it is I would advise the community to get involved on things we do do because the mayor made a good point. We don't get a lot. I realize everyone's garbage needs picked up and it's done great, but we get ridiculed for things we don't have. Right. And the bottom line is there's only so much money to go around. Correct. So I I wish it was different. I want a swimming pool. I want two swimming pools. I love I'd love to have a bull in my house. [laughter] But but my point being is you got to pay the bills. Correct. And the bills are public safety. We've got to provide city hall. We have to pay these bills.

I get so act I'm I'm I'm really passionate about this and and I would call me. I can explain to you our budget. not maybe not as well as Amber, but I can I'm I'm versed enough on it that I want to do what's best for the entire community. And that's what I'm thinking about when I I'm sitting up here. Uh again, I'm not trying to I'm not I'm still indifferent about all this. I like all this information I got cuz I got to I got to go home and digest it a little bit. But again, I'm with the mayor. We don't get a lot of credit for times of things that we do do, but we do a good job on sanitation pickup.

I agree. and and but sometimes we've got to choose where that money's got to go. So again, sorry I get all excited up here. We talked this one out. Is this We're good for now. Yeah. Okay. Is that three meetings in a row now? We're going to maybe see We'll see on a This is We'll tentatively look at this for the voting meeting. I don't know. Is that Can I say Can I say one more thing? Sorry. I just I know we've been talking about this, but I just really appreciate the intentionality behind the conversation and none of us are being hasty. I think we've kind of all bothered each other about it.

I go home and I'd like cry about like, "Mom, am I making the right decision?" Like, cuz I mean, I want everybody to be well represented. But I do appreciate the intentionality, the follow-ups with the from the ask that we're asking from the questions, you giving us the information back, and I appreciate the non-hastiness of this decision. So, I just really wanted to say that because I feel like we don't get I know I know we get a lot of public criticism, but I think right now with this being a third conversation, it feels good to be able to have this. So, thank you all. No problem. So, the the quotes that we have right now, what what was the deadline on that? Was it the 23rd or the 90 days? 90 days would be the like the first week in [clears throat] of March.

April. Oh, March. April. So, we got to Yeah. So, it would get us through the March regular meeting. Yeah. So, maybe not February voting meeting if we're not ready. Let's do the very last voting meeting. We'll see if there if there's a public parks committee that because I agree this this is not and a lot of you live through the $10, right? The $10. I mean, it's a big deal. And I I won't lie. I was a little frustrated myself. But here's what I've done since I've sat in the seat. I have talked I've learned more about sanitation than I ever thought I would or that you thought was out there to know.

I did. [laughter] I didn't realize what went into this. Yeah. I have talked to Owensboro, Richmond. I've talked to more cities than I care to know. So, I'm challenging our public. Go out and talk to people because I'll be honest with you, when I tell people how we do it, they're like, "Wow, wow, you are [clears throat] so lucky, right? You must have you must have a revenue stream that's unlimited." That's true.

And that's not the case. So, I I'm glad we're taking our time on this because I do think it's very important and I don't want anyone to think out there that all five of us uh we all of us in this room were taking it serious, even yourself. I know. So, again, I remember the $10 pay for your Herby thing that everybody was and I didn't know what I didn't know. So, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sarah. So, we're looking at a take this to public works committee and look at the March voting meeting is kind of I think that's a really good I feel like yeah, as long as we have time, I would like to dive a little bit deeper especially in that committee.

All right, that's the end of discussion. We'll move to action items. We have a first reading an ordinance that's seeking a sponsor. Sponsor,

an ordinance amending sections 52.01, 01 02 and 04 of the city of Frankfurt Code of ordinances regarding sewer service provision and fees. This ordinance amends sections 52.02 and 04 to establish a requirement for capacity review of all new requests for sewer service over 400 gallons a day. Require a capacity review fee of $500 for properties located outside the city limits, which is refundable upon upon successful annexation. require those properties outside of the city limits that share a boundary with these limits to request voluntary annexation into the city prior to receiving sewer service or sewer service improvements. Establish new administrative fees based on number of water meters installed for properties located outside the city limits and connecting to city sewer. Establish new sewer rates for customers inside Franklin County but outside the city limits at an additional 10% above the base rate. and customers outside of Franklin County at an additional 15% on top of the base rate.

Any discussion on that ordinance regarding sewer service provision and fees? Commissioner Smith Willis, I am going to maybe beat some money to it or go on the limb. What to what extent have we like in-depth meat and potatoes with the county about this conversation? Hi Kenny. [laughter]

Uh very little. Okay, thank you for that answer. Um, going back to our core values, transparency, all the things, one of my first requests, and this is going to be like I'm probably going to get slaughtered on Facebook, but one of my first requests when I got elected was there are a couple topics that I feel like the city and county should really sit down together and have a conversation, of course, publicly. Um, but this is one of those really big, hefty topics that I feel like if we're not having those consistent conversations behind. Um, I do feel like maybe this is something that we need to kind of keep diving into conversations on, but um, I do think that is it's it's genuinely important. Um, I do feel like especially with capacity and what we decide to keep taking on as a city, it does need to be fair and equitable. I just didn't know how far we've talked with the county on this um for them for us to be able to meet in the middle on conversation and what what some of these what annexation actually looks like.

Uh actually what we had looked at mostly was the benefits of the $180 million that we're spending on these capital improvement projects. There's not very many pro there's not that many parcels left in the city to be developed. uh very few actually uh that do not have sewer. Uh so the benefit that's going to happen is economic development will be pushed more into the county and in order you know we've already got the boundaries that are we have sewers and there's no you know they're still in the county. So, we're spending a lot of money to have that extra capacity and city leadership said county needs to pay their fair share. And it's, you know, if you look at our county customers compared to our city customers, we have much more city customers, which is why we can look at this and say, okay, our county customers are going to be a very small amount, which is why we looked at the 10. It's a tiered. So we have a 10% increase for county residents and a 15 for out of county residents because we also serve Woodford County as well.

Commissioner Richardson, we're not forcing any annexation with this. Correct. No, that's I want to make that clear. I I I think when this is being read, it may come across we're forcing that. We're not forcing that. Correct. Uh obviously I'm partial to annexation. I won't lie. Uh but we're by no means forcing that. We we we have went over this ordinance. I mean forwards and backwards.

Um the best way and I kind of used the same one with Jason when we explained it. If someone wants to build a 200 uh unit housing development in the county and but you know it's going to require city sewers instead of if they cannot annex into the city then they would pay the the same as a tap fee which would be $200,000 as a administrative fee to the city. So that allows the city to collect fees as well instead of just paying our standard TAT fee. So, it allows the city to gain that revenue that they would lose from, you know, foreseeable tax benefits over the next whoever knows how long.

Well, and I and I would add that we do a lot of work when it comes to work developments that are in the county. I'm I'm just talking from the easements from work that Laura does and all that. Am I correct on it? Yeah. So, it's not like, you know, it's an arbitrary number we came up with that that the city because the budgets are separate. uh sewer budget is separate from our general fund. A lot of people don't realize that. Uh I just think that I just want to clarify that. Yeah. A lot of people don't realize that we do not collect any taxes at all. Zero. You're right. A lot of people don't know that. Right. We are 100% self-funded by our super fees and that's it.

And this ordinance kind of mirrors that I if I understand correctly other cities our size what they've been doing all along with municipalities that own their

It even mirrors the plan board's current rate structure. Yeah. And similar to our discussion earlier that something that hadn't been updated since let's say 93 95 and this we're updating something that was put in place in ' 91 or that expired in no it was put in place in ' 91 expired in 2001. So, it's just a part of a trend of modernizing our city operations and it's bringing everything up to date and as Commissioner May said, you know, it's the all these little things that we're we're plugging and uh and and to Commissioner Smith Willis's point as far as the you know, the the the benefit to the county on this is is future expansion and future property taxes that without sewer otherwise would not get.

Correct. I will say I have had some internal discussions with the county when we brought this up. We've brought this up months and months ago about an increased fee on county residents and things of that nature and it they they have it has been brought up. Any other just commission Smith Willis? It's a work session where this is where we talk it out and get it out. Am I right to assume? You know, I'm just spitballing here, Kenny, because we've talked and I've I've been involved a little bit,

but a new development that decides they want to annex and then there are customers in the sur next to them, it could benefit them to they go from a septic system to our sewer system. I've had friends of mine that have said they they would be willing to pay now they live way out in the county, but they would be willing to pay city taxes if they're, you know, because they're they deal with their septic system quite a bit is what I'm saying. So, uh, it is going to be a benefit. Th this is actually not just like the mayor saying, we're updating something, but we're al also that growth and trying to help the community as a whole when it comes to sewer because we do have portions of our community that really need help when it comes to sewer. Yes. So,

well, that's this the first reading. If no other discussion, we'll look at putting this on the voting [snorts] voting meeting. Yeah. Second reading. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh, discuss, speaking of next meeting, the sewer ordinance, parks committee, parks committee, um, consent calendar. Anything else that I missed? And there's no unfinished business from the previous meeting. Is there any new business that come for the good of the board? Commissioner Smith Willis.

Um, I just first wanted to just say happy Black History Month. There's that. Um, and with that, you know, I've been reflecting on my year, um, my year being a city commissioner and also just being a citizen of Frankfurt. And I really just wanted to first thank the city and the city of Frankfurt and the city staff um, since 2021, since the Frank city of Frankfurt had acknowledged Junth. So, now that I've been in my seat for a little bit and I've kind of done my research and I've observed what other cities are doing around us, um I would like to formally kind of begin a broader conversation about how we as a city can intentionally recognize and celebrate um Junth moving forward. You know, Junth when we look at America 250, you know, black history as American history. Um, so Junth Junth is not just simply an event for people in in Frankfurt, but um, it's just traditionally observed and it's celebrated and I think it's a moment in American history that speaks to freedom. So um, you know, this conversation would lead to potentially landing on a future voting meeting. I'm not going to push it honestly, but I just want to start the conversation to determine um the city of Frankfurt's commitment, scope, and approach to observing Junth in a way that's um just thoughtful, educational, and reflective of our community and our values. So, I guess I'm requesting the board's approval to kind of work collaboratively with the city staff to explore meaningful ways um in Frankfurt that we can observe Junth. And if it is approved, everybody's cool with it. Um, I would also like to just be a part of that conversation to make sure that it's like intentionally done. Um, I've been to some really cool events that Focus on Race Relations has done here locally, but I've been around um to surrounding communities and I think we could really make this something worth celebrating um as the city of Frankfurt and as the capital of Kentucky. So, that is um my first order of new business. I have a second one. Um I personally want to give a shout out to Christy Poe and Ron Robinson. you know, after the incident at Kentucky State University, I feel

like it gained so much attention, but I think we forgot about the students that were at school that day. So, um, I work collaboratively with Christy Poe and Rooney Robinson, um, who are two really pivotal people in our community, um, that do a lot of work that goes kind of unsung and unnoticed. So, we just went up to the university and we fed the kids. Um, I want to give a shout out to a lot of the local businesses here in Frankfurt that contributed food for this event. Um, but with that being said, um, I just want to give them their flowers because they are absolutely phenomenal members of our community. But with that talking point of Kentucky State University, I kind of wanted to recommend the establishment of a Kentucky State University and City of Frankfurt um, partnership committee. You know, we talked about the parks committee tonight and how some of the really important work that comes out of our committees kind of drives our city. So, um, you know, I feel like our our relationship with Kentucky State University is an ongoing mechanism of strengthened communication and coordination between the city, um, and the school itself. So, the committee itself will serve as a consistent home for shared dialogue, allowing both entities to engage proactively while maintaining effective collaboration. I think a key function of this committee itself will be to jointly oversee and fully leverage the city and university shared membership with the international town gown and association. If you're not familiar with that, that is um a membership that we do share with this Kentucky State University. But I think the membership would be most effective when approached intentionally and collectively, which I feel like as a citizen, as a student of Kentucky State University, I have not seen done so far. So while I have my seat, I want to hold myself accountable with just regular alignment um with priorities, develop shared vision, and advanced best practices with campus and the students. So I just feel like establishing this committee um will affirm a long-term commitment, transparency, and alignment. Um but then also, I think it'll be cool to bring the students in. Um I met some

really awesome kids. Um, I met the first president of SGAA and I think this committee could be made up of beyond administration, beyond us that sit up here, but also just the students themselves and I feel like they sound excited and I'm excited too. So, I would really like to start um directing staff or however that process looks like to establish a committee for not just us but Kentucky State University. That's my long spill. Thank you for listening to me. Yap. Oh, thank you. in maybe work session on that because I I think you sent out a proposed um draft.

I did loosely work on a order. Um I called Laura because I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, but she definitely walked me through it. I think the order is pretty structured and it's good to go. I would like the committee itself to um have one or two representatives that um kind of focuses on the four core values that international town gown um is encompassed around. But outside [clears throat] of those two people, you know, of course with um city manager or a design, I think public safety should be at the table with not just our city um city safety, but the [clears throat] university itself. So, we're all kind of aligned um not just when things go ary, but when things are going positively as well. So, I think the committee itself could be made up of some really awesome individuals that can have constructive conversation moving forward.

Thank you. Any other new business board comments? I have to give a shout out to our public works and and streets and sanitation, everybody that helped clear what we did last couple of weeks. I know it's been hard on a lot of people, but I think Frankfurt has fared relatively well and uh thank you. Absolutely. Sure. [clears throat] Great job. Motion to adjourn. Second.

All those in favor of ajourning say. We're adjourned. Heat. Heat. [music]