Community Redevelopment Agency Board - Regular Meeting
The Community Redevelopment Agency Board approved a forgivable loan for Art of Tea LLC and received updates on state legislative matters, including property tax bills and local government enforcement actions. The board also discussed a proposed certificate of use process and the City Hall project, with a focus on the interim agreement and financial considerations.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- Community Redevelopment Agency Board
- Meeting Type
- Community Redevelopment Agency Board
- Location
- Fort Lauderdale, FL
- Meeting Date
- February 17, 2026
Transcript
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Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to the City Commission conference meeting this February 17. Wow. We're really borrowing into 2026. Anyway, as is as is with all of our conference meetings, we begin with our communications from our advisory boards. And today, we have a couple of those communications. Of all, from our
Mayor, plan if I may?
Yes. I
I think, the CRA meeting would be the first meeting.
You wanna take up the CRA meeting first? So
that one is scheduled for 01:30.
Okay.
That other meeting is over? No. See how easy that was? Okay. Best meeting ever. Yeah. Okay. Let me convene the Community Redevelopment Agency Board. Mister Clerk, please call the roll.
Vice chair Herbst? Commissioner Glassman.
Here.
Commissioner Beasley Pittman. Here. Commissioner Sorensen. Here. Chair Turntellis.
Here. I can't hear you. Oh, we start with m one, motion approving the minutes for 02/03/2026, CRA board meeting. Do I hear a motion to approve those minutes? So moved. Second? Moved and seconded. Any comments? There being none, please call the roll.
Commissioner Glassman? Yes. Commissioner Beasley Pittman? Yes. Commissioner Sorenson? Yes. Vice Chair Herbs?
Yes.
Chair Trentels?
Yes. And that item is now approved. R1, a resolution approving a central city community redevelopment area property and business improvement program incentive forgivable loan in the amount of $225,000 and a non residential facade program forgivable loan in the amount of 125,000 to the Art of Tea LLC. Someone like to introduce the resolution?
Introduce.
No one has signed up to speak. Any comments or questions?
I did just want to say that this is really I don't know if anyone really dug in. This is a great company moving its headquarters from Los Angeles. They really have a lot of outreach to incredible other companies in the hospitality industry. And they are a really high end producer of all products related to tea. And I just want to say congratulations, and I'm thrilled that they're they're moving into the Central City neighborhood, and we welcome that Fort Lauderdale. And I'm just really excited that this is happening. Good, not just for District 2, but for the entire city. This is a real win win. Thank you.
Where is 900 Northeast? What building is that? Do you
do you know off
the top of your head?
I I do, actually. I mean, right now, it's pretty much just like a a warehouse. It's Is
it East Of The Tracks or it's West Of
The Tracks? It's West Of The Tracks, isn't it? It's West Of The Tracks. Tracks.
Yeah. I believe so. Yes.
But this is a this is really a a big deal and it was interesting reading the minutes of the of the advisory board. The the votes were interesting to see and the totals were interesting to see and it was a good tussle back and forth there for a little while and but I think it's a good deal and I I'm really thrilled that we're able to assist and help and I I really look forward to the to the success of this business in Fort Lauderdale.
What's there now
Or what
was there?
They purchased the building in 2025. The forgivable loan would be for the build out of Sears space.
All that. I just wanted I'm just out of curiosity. I just wanna know what was there before.
I'm gonna ask Vanessa Martin
Hey, Rebecca. To share. What was there before?
Just trying to get my parents.
Warehouse Yeah. That's there right now. So they built they purchased the warehouse in 2025 in April.
Uh-huh.
And so they're just requesting to do a build out of interior and exterior.
Alright. That's great.
We'll have a storefront. We'll have a it'll have a storefront.
And there will be some retail for the for the public. There's some photos of the warehouse. Okay.
Okay.
And they currently employ 27 employees and they're looking to add seven.
Yeah. Wonderful. Great. Thank you for coming to Florida. Anyway, alright. Someone's introduced the resolution. Introduced. Someone, I think it's already been introduced. Yes. Right, yeah. So if we could please call the roll.
A resolution board commissioners of the Fort Lauderdale Community Redevelopment Agency approving a property business improvement program incentive forgivable loan in the amount of 225,000 and approving a nonresidential facade improvement program forgivable loan in the amount of 125,000 to the Art of T LLC, authorizing the executive director to execute all related instruments delegating authority to executive director to take certain actions and providing for an effective date. Commissioner Glassman? Yes. Commissioner Beasley Pittman? Yes. Commissioner Sorensen? Yes. Vice Chair Herps? Yes. Chair Trentellis?
Yes. And that item is approved. Thank you. Good luck. Looking forward to coming to your grand opening. Thank you. Okay. Any further business of the CRA? No, Mayor. There being none, that meeting is now concluded. Now we will go back to the conference meeting. We begin with our communications. And our first communication is from the Planning and Zoning Board. Is anyone here from hello. Push the button. Push the button.
Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. Jim Metzl, our Design Plan Manager at DSD. Communication from the Planning and Zoning Board occurred from 01/21/2026 was to communicate to the commission to have staff to research on public notice requirements for projects of certain sizes and location and context. And this came about due to a project, that was processing a land use plan amendment and a rezoning of the size of 40 acres, which is very unusual to have a project of that size in our city. It's very unique. We don't have that many properties. This is, Southwest by the Rock Pit property. There's no Oh, in the Northwest. In the Northwest. Yes. About 40 acres in size. So that was the discussion from the commission, the planning and zoning board. Okay.
Are we are you asking for a response in any way or
They're asking for you to direct staff to do research on public notice requirements, and this was due to the fact that the project size was so large, they felt that the the distance requirements, which is normally 300 feet for notification, should extend to a larger distance based on a project size.
Because of the impact?
Because of the impact of the larger project.
Any thoughts or comments on that, Stan?
I think it makes sense, Meyer. I think given the scope of this,
so what do you think the distance requirement should be?
So staff would have to conduct research and also check with the city attorney's office on, identifying larger projects and separating them out from smaller projects could be an issue because of just changing the public notice requirements based on the size of a project. Not that it can't be undone or it can't be done, but basically, we have to check what legal. We haven't done that yet. We'd have to do more research.
Okay. Currently, is there a, definition of how far out like, you're saying large is 40 acres. What is considered the average of a project if this is considered a large project?
Well, I know we don't have that many 40 acre large sites in
the city.
We have much smaller sites than that. I don't know what the average is off the top of my head, but I know they're smaller than a couple acres. Most of 10 acres would be a very large project. Usually, what we deal with, 40 acres is very unusual. We don't get many like that at all, unless it's a regional activity center designation like we've done in the past.
I'm in agreement for, going in this direction. I just wanted a definition as to what's been done in the past in in comparison to what we are calling large
We versus would have to define that.
Or average, I
should say.
Yes. Don't have a definition for it now. We'd have to define what large meant.
But that's definitely large 40 acres.
But up to what distance are we even contemplating? I mean, not a mile, I hope. I mean
Yes. So if I may, Chris Cooper, Deputy City Manager. So when we notice a project, especially for planning zoning board, there are several ways that that notice goes out to the public. One is a direct mail to those within 300 feet of the project. The other is a notice to registered civic association or recognized civic association where the project is located. So there's an expectation that that group is also sharing the information with their membership. We also require newspaper and sign notices. So again,
staff
can look into how to accommodate this request for larger projects, but the result may not be that we are directly contacting individual property owners nearby within a wider area, but it may be that we're looking for a way to communicate information about the project more broadly to a lot of people at once. So I don't know how what that looks like now. We can certainly look at other municipalities and places that do this kind of notice in a broader way. But essentially, what we're looking for today is whether or not the commission would like staff to spend the time to look for those ways that we
could more broadly communicate on those larger projects. Well, think it's only fair that a broader net is cast, especially in these larger projects that are going to have a greater impact than just within 300 feet. So why don't you get back to us and give us your recommendation then?
There was one other item I forgot to mention was neighborhood associations outside of the city because our code only recognizes the city associations. That was another factor that was brought up by the the board was to look at associations outside the city as well to notify them.
Because in that area, we border with the Broward County neighborhood. I forget the acronym that's used, but they are they they're neighbors. We're right next to each other, so I can understand that. And even I don't know if this would be, outside of the scope, but where that 40 acres is, across the highway is the city of Lauderhill Correct. Which is a large association that, in a sense, interacts with, the communities right in that area.
So even thinking I'm I'm in agreement. I'm just trying to get a a visual of this because knowing where it is and when you we're saying only 350 feet, we're definitely not making an impact as to where this information needs to be shared because just I'm thinking just north of there, west of there, east of where you can go so much further than three fifty feet to make sure we're getting the information to the neighbors in the area.
So typically 300 feet is used in planning and rezoning projects as well. So that's why that distance is there, we can look at expanding that or making the distance larger. Do have to do research on that.
Okay. All right. Well, Mayor, I'm in agreement with this.
Okay. All right.
So we'll do research and come back to the commission.
Okay. Thank Jim. Thank you. Anthony, did you have anything you wanted to add to this? No? Beard looks good. Okay. Moving on to the next communication, we have a communication from the Budget Advisory Board, Mr. Bill Brown.
Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, Bill Brown, Chairman of the Budget Advisory Board. This afternoon under Business One, you will receive a presentation on the process that staff is proposing for a, what's called a certificate of use. It's a new process that you'll learn about when they come in. This same presentation was presented to the Budget Advisory Board at our meeting earlier in February. After some discussion with staff and question and answers, we took a vote, it passed nine to zero and we encourage you to direct staff to go ahead and start this process.
We would ask and we did ask that we do it for one year pilot with some benchmarks so we get some feedback to see if it's really truly beneficial for businesses instead of adding an extra burden on them, but if it's beneficial for their use so that they don't get caught up in a build out later on that they weren't allowed to do when they get their business Well, first
of all, Bill, I don't think it's a burden. I think it's a benefit because having represented a lot of prospective commercial tenants and they signed leases saying and this has to be used for a specific purpose. And I always tell them, please check to make sure the purpose is permissible within that zoning area. And that's done automatically. So to now give them an opportunity to say to a landlord, hey, I need to get a certificate of use before you can charge me $1 of rent to make sure that the use that you said I can do can actually be done there is a benefit to a tenant. I'm totally supportive of this.
I hope you are. And not all the members felt it was a burden. They saw much more benefit from it, but they just wanted to make sure that it's being done
It doesn't cost burden them in terms of Right.
And there is a fee that would accompany Yes,
it's a minimal fee. Right.
And in the long run, as you mentioned, it will save them thousands of dollars of doing Yes, legal expense and everything else. So we encourage you to, after the presentation, direct staff to go ahead and start the process. Thank you.
Mayor, if I could just, acknowledge the Chair. Thank you so much for your leadership on the BAB and the entire Budget Advisory Board. When we went through the budget development process last year, I committed to the commission as well as to the BAB that we would identify opportunities to not only enhance services but also to look at opportunities to generate revenue. And the item that will be discussed later reflects cost recovery for these services. So I just wanted you to know this is part of an ongoing discussion that we're having with the BAB in terms of new initiatives and programs that could generate revenue for the city and also provide an enhancement to our neighbors and stakeholders.
Well, if cost recovery, I mean, it's not really revenue generating because we're actually going to spend money to
Well, what initiate we're doing now is providing these services essentially for free. So we do have businesses that come in, they ask all these questions, staff takes the time to do the due diligence to help them through it, but we don't get anything So I just wanted to highlight that. Thank you.
Okay.
Anyone else wish to speak on any of these two communications? Okay. There being none. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Moving on to CF1, state legislative mid session update, city manager's office. And I guess
Thank you, Mayor. We have Daphne St. Ville, intergovernmental affairs manager, who will be leading the presentation.
Daphne?
Good afternoon. Can everybody hear me? Okay. Good afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, Daphne Seinville, intergovernmental affairs with the city manager's office. Gonna do this 2026 mid legislative session update.
We are currently in week six of the legislative update of the legislative session, so we are at the halfway mark. And there are some bills, appropriations that and property tax that we wanna discuss. And based on our discussions this morning, we'll touch on the accessory dwelling units and some housing bills as well. So to get us started, I I also wanna mention that all the policy issues that I'm touching on now are aligned with our 2026 state legislative program. So what you'll see is the basic areas that the policy issues are touching and the bills that correspond with those areas.
So first, we'll discuss the property tax bills in the later slides, all eight proposals, including the three that are with the house right now. House Bill one zero three for revenue taxes and sovereign immunity, The local business tax bill would repeal chapter two zero five Florida statutes removing the authority for local governments to levy a local business tax. However, it allows municipalities that impose the business tax on merchants measured by gross receipts to continue to impose the tax. So this bill is on special order calendar for today, so it will be heard later on today in the house. The senate version is in its second committee of three, which is finance and tax.
It doesn't appear to be moving. However, there is another reference bill six fifty that hasn't moved out of the community affairs committee. And as of last week, Wednesday, the community affairs committee will no longer be meeting.
House bill one zero five is touching on sovereign immunity by Rep. McFarland, and there is a senate bill thirteen sixty six by senator Broder. These two bills would revise the statutory cap, attorney fees, and filing time frame provisions for sovereign immunity. The house version allows for political subdivisions to settle, or pay excess claims above the caps without legislative approval. The house version does not address this.
More specifically, the house bill, the per person cap, it would raise that cap to 500,000 for claims accruing between 10/01/2026 and 09/30/2031. The senate bill per cap increase would be 300,000. No increase after that. After 10/01/2031, the house bill would further increase that cap to 600,000. The per incident cap under the house bill would be raised up to 1,000,000 prior for claims filed prior to 2031 and increased to 1,200,000 after 10/01/2031.
The senate version increases that cap to 450,000. However, it's not specified. There are only going to be periodic adjustments. And every five years, there would be a cap at capped at 3% increase per per every three years under the senate bill. So under the house bill, it's an automatic increase of 1,200,000. Under the senate bill, it's a every three year, 3% automatic cap.
That's on sovereign immunity?
That's under sovereign immunity. Yes. That's the sovereign immunity bill that they've been filing for the past, couple years. So right now, the house bill was passed by the full chamber. It's in senate messages, and the senate bill is in its last committee rules. It hasn't been placed on the agenda yet, so we're closely monitoring and watching that that piece of legislation.
Daphne, before you move over to the next slide, can I just ask you a question? Out of the eight Homestead Saver Homes assessment, bills, any one in particular gaining more traction than the others? And are they still looking to maybe just put one on the ballot? Or what are you hearing in terms of possibility of more than one on the ballot, just one? And what's happening in the senate with regards to any of these?
So for property tax, there are three proposals out of the eight that are currently in the house chamber awaiting a vote. We did receive word that one of them will be heard on Thursday, which is, house bill two zero three, which is the gradual phase out, the 10 phase out for property taxes. So that one will be voted on in the house and sent over to the senate. We are currently hearing that the senate has no appetite to file anything. However, we're also hearing that they want to call a special session, maybe in April or May, to discuss property tax.
And then there's also the version where they are going to file their own bill, send it over to the house, and that's what will be placed on the ballot. So currently, there are three different, rumors, you know, that we're hearing. None of them have been confirmed, but once we receive word, we will definitely update you on that.
And and would that special session be done in conjunction with a special session dealing with redistricting? Would that be all at the same time or possibly not?
We we don't know. We don't know where it's gonna go. Currently, the house and the senate, they are not seeing eye to eye. So right now, we're just waiting to see what happens, by the end of session.
Okay. So everything's sort of In the air. In the air right now, and we don't really Approximately, when do you think we would have a little bit more insight in terms of, property tax issues, the Homestead Saver Homes assessment issues? Or in particular, HP203, you say, is getting the most traction?
HP203 is getting the most traction. Yes.
Okay. And when would we, do you think, have a little bit more clarity on this?
The guesstimate would be in two or three weeks as the budget conference as it appears that most of everything is tied to the budget, but the Senate is keeping it very close to the best.
Okay. Thank you.
So 02/2003 is where property tax elimination would be phased in over ten years?
Correct.
Is that
just on homestead properties or
Yes. So the proposal would expand the existing second homestead exemption for ad valorem taxes on homestead property, and it would increase that exemption by 100,000 per year
Per for ten year years.
Ten years.
Okay. Per
the portion of assessed value currently covered by the second exemption.
Okay.
So beginning 2037, it would be a complete phase out property tax. Over a span of ten years, they're estimating that all property tax would eventually be eliminated.
On homestead properties.
On homestead properties.
Okay. So in their discussion, have they come up with solutions on how to augment city budgets that are going to be missing this income from Homestead revenue?
No. Now are they going to deny cities the right to increase taxes on other properties in order to make up the difference, for example, on non homestead residential properties or on businesses? Has that been part of any of the bills?
That is a good question, and we can, ask the sponsors and our legislative delegation to pose that question when that bill comes forward on Thursday. Alright. Thank you. All right. Moving into home rule enforcement and land use.
House bill one zero five, which deals with local government enforcement actions and senate bill five eighty eight, would establish new exclusive mechanisms for challenging enforcement actions taken by counties and municipalities. And to accomplish this, the bill would prohibit municipalities from initiating or threatening to initiate any enforcement action that is determined by a court to be arbitrary or unreasonable and not authorized by an ordinance. And an enforcement action was further defined to mean any decision determination, demand inspection, citation order, denial interpretation, or other regulatory action undertaken by local government entity. It is currently on the house calendar agenda, so for a full house chamber vote. The senate version is still in its committee of reference, which is community affairs.
And as stated before, that particular committee is no longer meeting as of last week, Wednesday, because we have reached that halfway mark during session. So subcommittees and committees stop meeting, which is a good sign in a way because it means whatever bills were in those committees have less likely of a chance to move over as a stand alone bill, but we don't know if they're going to move that language into other moving vehicles that are similar refer to the similar site statutory citations. Eleven forty three deals with local government land development regulations and orders, and it would prohibit local governments from requiring more than one parking space per dwelling unit. So this is the Florida starting Starter Homes Act. It would prohibit local governments from limiting the maximum building height.
It would expedite the timeline for review of development applications, including development permits, orders, and plots. However, local governments may continue to apply the generally applicable architectural aesthetic design setback height or bulk standards to off-site constructed residential dwellings, and they may also adopt compatibility standards for architectural features, but the standards are limited to certain things. It also, provides that local governments should allow lot splits. And currently, it is in its second committee of reference in the house, and the senate bill is also in its second committee. And as of Thursday, that committee and the house judiciary will no longer be meeting as well.
There is a house bill three forty seven. This bill is is not moving because it hasn't moved out of its subcommittee, and it's in reference to the adoption and display of flags. This bill has been filed approximately for the last three years, and it would prohibit and strictly limit what flags government bodies are allowed to fly on public property. Any flag that shows political parties or messages or references to ideology, race, gender, or sexual orientation would be banned from government flagpoles. So while this bill has been filed regularly, it is it's not moving this year, but we can expect it to be filed next year.
So the POW, MIA flag that's, on the flagpole out here would be illegal to fly?
I believe it would not be legal to fly, but let me
clarify and provide you with the product answer. Parameters are.
I thought the POW flag is always legal to fly.
I believe it is. Yes. Yes. It's always legal to fly, but there are also some restrictions. I I didn't put it in here that say that The US flag needs to be flown at the very top.
Well, that's
always always is. Yes. Yes.
And that's fine. But I just want to know what are the boundaries now. And so you'll get back to us. Well, it's not going anywhere you said, so we don't really have to address this now. Okay. Thank you.
So what is not on this slide, but I know the commission was addressing earlier, was accessory dwelling units. There is a housing bill, Senate Bill 48, that is moving by senator Gates, and it would require, municipalities or local governments to have ordinances requiring ADUs. So right now, the way the statute is written, it's a May, so you have the option of having an ordinance to create and allow for ADUs. It would make it mandatory.
Well, we have that anyway. Correct.
Correct.
Mandatory without restriction. So local governments can only regulate the construction, permitting, and use of ADUs, except local governments can't prohibit the owner of an ADU from offering it for rent, for terms of less than one month, notwithstanding a particular statute. I, confirmed with our lobby team as to what that exception is within the prohibition. So in this case, it is protecting local government in the senate bill from short term rentals. So an owner cannot have a short term rental on the ADU.
However, that is addressed in the house version. So it's something that we're closely monitoring and speaking to speaking to the sponsor as well as our delegation to see if an amendment could be proffered, and taken as a friendly amendment in order to match the senate bill.
Okay. Great. Thank you.
This
is interesting. Go ahead.
In our legislative program, firearms, DI equity and cybersecurity and IT are also legislative priorities. So we're going to touch very lightly on some of these bills. Some are moving, some are not moving, such as sixty seventeen, the preemption of firearms and ammunition repeal. So this would repeal the Florida statewide rule that only the state could make gun laws and would give that power back to cities, counties, and other low local jurisdictions. These the this bill has not moved out of its subcommittee, but they're going to file it again next year.
Who's they?
Senator senator Polsky will will file that bill next year.
Okay. I I was I was surprised to see that. I can't see that ever getting out of subcommittee. Okay.
Thank you. So it's been filed before in the past, unsuccessful. However, we know members in the legislature will continuously file it until some traction is made.
Got it.
House bill 10 o one is official actions of local government, which is, referred to as the DEI bill as well as senate bill eleven thirty four. So both of the bills would prohibit counties and municipalities from funding, promoting, or taking official actions, such as adopting ordinances, resolutions, rules, regulations, programs, or policies related to DEI. And it would also prevent, county or municipality from expending any funds regardless of the source to establish or support any DEI office or officer. The house bill was amended last week, and it's differing from its underlying bill in that it provides for a delayed implementation of some of the provisions to 2027. And it doesn't prohibit a county or municipality from recognizing or honoring individuals or groups recognized and honored by a national monument that has not been designated by an act of congress.
It also authorizes a county or municipality to authorize or permit in a content neutral manner, civic and community events so long as no public funds are used to pay for it, no county or municipality employee is required to promote or attend the event, and the event doesn't promote terrorism, racism, or antisemitism. We have asked some questions about our DBE policies or local preference policies as it relates to this bill, and we're seeking some clarification. And once we get answers on that, we will let the commission and city manager know.
Daphne, how does 1566 differ from eleven '34 in the senate?
Fifteen sixty six.
It does not. So they're the same?
So they they refer to the same things in different manners. This year, there are which is different from not in a way, but different from previous years is that several bills referring to the same subject matter have been filed and are moving, but they just refer to them in different capacities.
Okay. So I just wanna take a moment on this one. I know that the mayor at the last commission meeting mentioned when we did the proclamation for Black History Month that this might be in jeopardy in the future. So what is the status of proclamations? I'm not talking about anything else, although I'm gonna get into that in a second. But would we still be permitted to do proclamations? We do proclamations for almost every every ethnicity, every cultural group, LGBTQ group. You name it. We do proclamations. Would those all be, in jeopardy with if passage of h b one zero one and senate bill eleven thirty four happened?
In discussions with the city manager and I'll I'll city manager and the city attorney, we're seeking clarification because the bill is very broad and ambiguous in a way. And I will clarify that, senate bill fifteen sixty six also, is more on the budget cutting exercise. It's it's on the local government spending side.
Okay. Because, so we're still getting clarity on proclamations, resolutions, things like that. Okay. Taking it just a step further, the city spends funds on festivals, parades. Would all of those be then in jeopardy? We have coming up. We have Sistran festival and parade. Would that be in jeopardy?
We're seeking clarification about that as well. In the staff analysis for the bill, there are several observed holidays, state and local, memorials and other recognitions that have been less listed, but we know it's not an all encompassing list, so we wanted to see clarifications. We have reached out to Parks and Recreation with a list of events that may not be on here, such as Saint Patrick's Day, the Sistrunk Festival, Diwali, and various other city programming and youth and neighborhood events. So we wanted to gain some clarity in how, if this bill does become law, what would local governments be restricted in doing, and in what capacity can elected officials attend or promote these events? Because right now, the way it's written, and the city attorney can correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's so broad and ambiguous you wouldn't know if you're actually sponsoring or promoting an event under the way it's written now.
Because it just seems it seems so broad. I mean, it it could almost apply to, you know, any any kind of program that deals with any any group, really. I mean, just seems so broad to me. So I look forward to that clarity. Commissioner, can
I jump in there? Yes, go
ahead, Ben. Sorry,
just to add on that. Sure. No. Just city manager, as we get clarity on this, I'd also like us to advocate while getting clarity that we would be opposed as a city to any limitation that would be thrust upon us to recognize all these identities and heritages that we talked about. So I'd like to not only get clarity but also advocate. So we're not so we're advocating proactively rather than reactively.
And I I think there's still opportunity for us to do just that. Yes.
Okay. Alright. Thanks. Sorry.
No problem. Are we, are we still looking in these bills and seeing the threat of removing city and county commissioners from office if these kinds of programs continued or we participated?
Yes. Yes. We we we so we have sent a one pager to our delegation indicating our opposition to the legislation so they are aware that we are opposed. Our members, our Fort Lauderdale delegation, the Broward delegation, and there are several other members of the legislature have also voiced their opposition, and we are working with the League of Cities, to see how mitigate, if not what we call kill kill the bill during legislative session. So we will continuously work on that.
Right now, we are working on it on the senate side. And based on last Wednesday's meeting in community affairs because they're no longer meeting on the senate. The senate version is what we call stalled. However, that house vehicle is still moving, and there's always the possibility that it could pass off the house floor, and the senate will take up the house bill, waive the rules as they call it, and take up the bill even without a senate companion. So I I was under
the assumption that this bill, was actually scheduled in the house judiciary on this morning at 08:30. Do we have any idea what happened for the final committee hearing on this?
I I will let you I will let you know with the update. I know the committees that have been meeting this morning, because I've been preparing for the presentation, and and here we haven't had an opportunity to look at them, but I'll work with our team. I'll be in Tallahassee, tonight for the rest of the week, and I'll get an update a better update for
the the
commission on what's occurred.
Thank you. I was also told, perhaps I'm wrong, I don't think so, that we'd actually did have, two people from our delegation vote yes on this so far in committee, a state senator and also a state representative. So I'm just looking for clarification on that as well.
Okay.
Because I I and again, I I you know, there are issues here that hopefully we will get the clarification that we need. But some of these things I find just really a little bit troubling and they're serious. And, to me when I look at these bills, they threaten really any any local program or activity that's basically, designed or implemented with reference to race, color, sex, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, you name it. So it's it's a that's gonna be a tough balancing act for a city like Fort Lauderdale. So I'm I'm looking forward
Especially to since there's a certain someone on this commission who's going to be one of the grand marshals at the Black History Month parade and I could be removed from office for being that whoever that person is for being a grand marshal that none of this makes any sense. Well, but they're both
these bills are steamrolling ahead in Tallahassee.
And then and also to add to the conversation regarding that term participation, because I'm thinking even beyond this capacity here. I'm recognized as a commissioner. Right? I am an elected official. However, I have other hats that I wear. I'm a minister. I'm a a community activist who is involved in other activities. Will that be combined into one label because I am elected, but I do operate in different capacities?
I don't think it's in I don't think this law would be enforceable. If it's challenging court, I think it would be unenforced. But but why don't before she answers that question, why don't you find out more information for for us and we'll know how to proceed?
Will do.
I I really appreciate it. I I just think that there's some real some tough issues right here for us to look at. I mean, I I just looked at a couple of ideas and just to throw these out, a county health department sickle cell anemia program focused on African Americans, promoting Tay Sachs screenings for the ethnic Jewish community, funding support for an HIV outreach targeted towards the LGBT community, a city police department providing extra security as an in kind support for a local pride parade, Jewish food festival, women's equal payday event, Miami Dade County, we're already recognized as Cuban Heritage Month every September, and in Broward County and elsewhere, we have commissions on the status of women. So I mean, could go on and on and on, but this is just something that we need to think about, because this doesn't seem to me to be the city that Fort Lauderdale is.
Or the state of Florida for that matter. Mean Or the country. Yeah. This is not what who we are as Floridians.
So Well We can speak for the city of Fort Lauderdale. Sometimes it's tough for us to speak for the state of Florida or for the country as a whole, but, we certainly can speak up for our constituents and what this means to many of our constituents in every single district. So I I I look forward to getting some of that clarity. Thank you.
Definitely, does the Florida League of Cities support our position and opposition to this? Yes. They do. Okay. Great. We need to communicate outside of our Broward delegation our opposition to this?
That's that's a difficult question to answer. We can communicate to the entire legislature that we are in opposition. However, based discussions and the temperature of Tallahassee, I would remain cautious and take a more conservative approach and continue to work with the league and then have me get some more information from our team, have me get some more information with the league to see what they're doing behind the scenes to talk to the senate sponsor, to the house sponsors, and see, you know, where the temperature is with leadership on the senate side and the house side if they are going to take it all the way and then act based on that information that we receive.
Okay. Great.
Do we
know if the floor Commissioner. Sorry, Mara.
Go ahead.
Have every right, obviously, to speak your mind.
Yeah. Thank you. You know?
And so, you know, never feel like you should be held back.
Yeah. Thanks, Mara. I agree. And I will continue doing that. Do we know does the Florida League of Cities have a list, for example, of cities that stand with us in opposition? Do you know if anything like that's
I can find out.
If you could, because I'd love to see who else there, and and that could be a helpful tool for them to advocate. Okay. Thank you.
Daphne, and I don't know if this falls under the, what we're talking about now in terms of DEI equity and small business tools, but are you gonna get into any discussion of h b six four one and senate bill sixteen forty two? Was that listed later? That's the, don't say gay or transit work bill. They seem to be nicknaming it. No. No. I That's, h b six four one and senate bill sixteen forty two. Right. Very extreme, but obviously targeted specifically to the LGBTQ community in Florida.
I am not touching on it on this report. However, I can provide you with an update.
Yes. I I I'd appreciate that because, that's also, very tough for many, especially a lot of my constituents in District 2, and throughout the entire city, and I I would just love to know where those where those bills stand too. Again, very targeted, and many people would say that it's very extreme, anti LGBTQ ideology, throwing that into the workplace and also into the government sector, as well. It really is a really a license to discriminate. Plain and simple. Thank you.
Welcome.
Keep going.
I had turned the page too soon on senate bill 56. That is the local government spending bill by senator DeSigli and also the house bill thirteen twenty nine. It would just require counties and municipalities to conduct an annual budget cutting exercise identifying specific reductions at least fourteen days before the final adoption of the local government's budget. It would also require local government's budgets to be posted on their websites in a manner that allows members of the public to view data in a specific format, and it's basically just calling for greater transparency in the budget process. We did speak to the office of management and budget, and most of what is in this bill, we are already aligned with, and we remain neutral on it.
The senate bill as of Wednesday was in community affairs and doesn't appear to be moving. Senate bill five ninety three, which, talks about governmental agencies and personnels, personnel, is mostly geared towards the state and state agencies, and it would just impose several limits on how state officials handle money, travel, lobbying, and political activity. And it would broaden existing restrictions on political activity, making it illegal for state and local officials or employees to use their official position to ask for campaign contributions. It aligns with some of the ethics rules that that have been out there mostly for the state, but we've been monitoring it to see if it could be, amended to be stricter with local with local government, and so far, it has not. Sixteen sixty two is the prohibited preferences bill, as well as house bill eleven eighty nine.
It would bar agencies from giving preference in employment or procurement based, on race or gender and would repeal many existing minority business enterprise provisions scattered throughout state law. There is also requirements that state agencies and commissions, when they're considering race, ethnicity, or gender when making appointments or hiring decisions. Again, this bill is specifically geared towards state agencies. However, we wanted you to be aware that we are monitoring it in case it was amended to include, counties and municipalities. There are two bills in reference to local government cybersecurity.
That is senate bill five seventy six and house bill six thirty five. They just, one, sets up a new local government cybersecurity protection program run by the Florida Digital Services and require state and local governments to sign data sharing agreements so they can safely share security information with each other, helping, every one spot prevent and respond to cyber attacks more quickly. House Bill six thirty five, just says that governments and certain private organizations can avoid most lawsuits over data breaches and or hacks if they follow the solid recognized cybersecurity practices. I did speak to our information technology director, and he said that we already follow those cybersecurity, provisions, and that bill just helps us, with our liability. The next slides, we will be discussing our appropriations.
We have requested nine appropriations. Both chambers released their general appropriations and implementing bills, last week, Thursday and Friday. The house budget totals 113,600,000,000.0, where the senate budget totals $11,515,100,000,000.0 dollars where there's a 1,500,000,000 difference, still below the governor's budget request of $117,400,000,000 So after the proposals pass their respective committees, both plans will then go to their chamber floors, setting up budget conference, which we expect to happen within the next two weeks.
And Are
these there appropriations included in either of the bills?
Yes. Do you want me to get do want me to get there? Okay. So our aviation techno technical training program, we had requested 1,000,000. It is in the house budget at 500,000 and in the senate budget at 350,000. The fire rescue fire the fire rescue fireboat replacement, we had requested 643 and 78. We received $321.05 40 in the house budget. We did not, we're we did not receive anything in the senate budget. However, we're still in in play during budget conference for that. The substance abuse and mental health treatment program, we requested 250.
In the house budget, we received 200,000. In the Senate budget, we received 250,000. So we received in the Senate budget our full ask. Roadway resurfacing, we requested 850,000. In the House budget, we received 425,000.
In the Senate budget, we received $350,000,000 In the Los Oles Business District safety improvements and ADA upgrades project, this is the Los Oles mobility project. We received $1,000,000 We requested 1,000,000 In the house budget, we received 500,000. We didn't get anything in the senate. For the Rio Vista and Lauderdale Harbors license plate readers, we requested 111,825. In the house budget, there is an amount of 55,913.
We did not get anything in the Senate. The Galtmile Street Safety Improvements Project, we requested $11,250,000.00 in the House. We did not get anything. However, we received the full amount in the Senate. For the Triplex Water Pump Station and the Sunrise Lane District streetscape programs, respectively, we are not in the House or Senate budgets for the amounts that we received. As long as we are in one of the two budgets, we are considered in play during budget conference to get, funding for this legislative session. So out of the nine projects, we have seven in play.
And we'll share this information with you, via e mail. It was not available at the time of printing. It just came out. So you'll get a detailed list that summarizes what Daphne just shared.
So now
Has has commission has state representative LaMarca been informed that the house has not allocated any money to the Gault Mile safety improvement project?
Yes. And we will be discussing that this week.
Okay. Thank you.
And the Sunrise Lane?
Yes. We will also be discussing that this week. Alright. Property tax. So there are eight. All property tax joint resolutions, of the eight, three are awaiting a vote in the House chamber. The remaining five are in various committees. So we'll go through them, relatively briefly.
Well, just go through the three. Through the three? Yes. If the others aren't being considered, what's the point?
Okay. So the
first one that is in, the House calendar on second reading is House Bill or house joint resolution two zero three, which is the phased out elimination of non school property tax for homestead. And this proposal would expand the existing second homestead exemption for ad valorem taxes on homestead property, increasing the exemption by $100,000 per year for ten years on the portion of assessed value currently covered in the second exemption. So that beginning in 2037, the full assessed value of homestead property is exempt from all nonschool ad valorem taxes. And, as stated earlier, we just received notice that it's scheduled for a vote on Thursday, the nineteenth.
Now you say a 100,000 per year. What happens if your house is worth $5,000,000 So you're only exempted up to the first $101,000,000 or something. Is that how it's being interpreted?
Yes.
Okay. Alright. So it isn't a full exemption?
No. No. It just depends on the the assessed value of your home of your home. There are some some areas of the state where the house is valued at 100,000. It would be fully the property tax But would be
fully exempt if their house is worth in excess of $1,000,000 it won't be fully exempt?
Correct.
Okay. Thank you.
The next one is House Joint Resolution two zero nine, which is property insurance relief homes which is considered the property insurance relief homestead exemption. And this proposal would create an alternative second homestead exemption that is $200,000 higher than the existing $25,000 second exemption on the portion of assessed value between $50,000 and $75,000 So it would only apply to homestead properties that have comprehensive homeowners insurance and would cover the assessed value between $25,000 and $250,000 adjusted annually for inflation for all ad valorem taxes other than school taxes. So an estimated 83% of homeowners would qualify. And the third one that is also on the house floor awaiting a vote is house joint resolution two thirteen, which is the modification of limitations on property assessment increases, and this would change how often and how much property values can be increased for local nonschool property taxes. And for counties, cities, and special districts, the assessed value of each property could be changed only once every three years.
For homestead properties, any increase in assessed value at the three year point would be capped at the lower of 3% or the total change in inflation over the three year period. And those are the three that are currently in the House chamber.
Merritt, I'd like to go back to 02/2003. To your point, based on my understanding and what has been provided to us, by the property appraiser, after 01/01/2037, the exemption shall equal the assessed value of the property.
So even So it's a full exemption.
A full exemption.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay. Any questions of Daphne other than the ones we've asked already?
I do, mayor. Thank you.
Go ahead.
So Daphne, I just wanted to bring your attention to the advanced air mobility bills HB ten ninety three and Senate bill thirteen sixty two. I just want to make sure that we're working really closely and coordinating, you know, not just with the folks up in Tallahassee, our lobby teams, but also folks like the Holiday Park Garage partners that we've moved forward with on this project. Because I think that those advanced air mobility bills are very applicable to what we're going to be building in Holiday Park, and that could really be a substantial substantial savings, in the short term and the long term. So I just want to make sure that we're really closely monitoring. I'm hearing that those bills look good Yes.
With FDOT fully funding these verdiports, is that what you're hearing?
That's what I'm hearing. I know the advanced air mobility bill, was amended last week, to ensure that FDOT does fund verdiports.
Okay. So are we all on the same page working together with our partners on this and working with our, legislative delegation and just making sure that we're all moving forward on this? Because it it does have excellent ramifications for our city.
It it does, commissioner Glassman, and we are working with our lobbyist team to promote that.
Okay. Good. Do we see any pitfalls or anything negative at all, down the road on these at all for us in terms of something that I might be missing?
We're only seeking clarification to ensure that the funding for board reports doesn't, come out of the trust fund, to divert from funding from our general aviation airport, FXE. So as long as there's parity in funding and one is not coming from another pot, then that's all that we're seeking clarity on.
Okay. And do we have any indication what the answer is gonna be for that?
I'll let you know by the end of this week.
Okay. I can't wait for the end this week.
Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as the vertiport proposal in connection with the Holiday Park parking garage is concerned, the city was not going to be paying any part of that anyway. Right? Correct. So this would just be to benefit the the contractor who had proposed it?
Yes. But I believe because of the actual dollar amount involved that we can make that advantageous for us also as we move forward with that project. I mean, there just has to be because that can't be just a one-sided benefit for our partner. We have to be able to take advantage of that as well. And whether that's requiring negotiation or whatever, but I just think that the dollar amount is so significant that we have to be able to take advantage of that down the road, whether at the beginning of the contract or as the contract makes its way through. Because we have not, correct me if I'm wrong, we have not solidified that contract or negotiations or developer agreement or comprehensive agreement or anything,
That is correct. We had our first negotiation session a few days ago and the concept of the vertiport was one of the primary points of discussion, to ensure that we're on the same page about its inclusion and how it would work, how the city would participate and how the developer and its partners would participate in the project.
Great. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't that dollar amount that was assigned to that about $16,000,000 for the vertiport?
That is what was shared during the presentation. You are correct. The mayor is also correct that the city was not contemplated to be responsible for those costs. Right.
But we also did not contemplate this legislation that all of a sudden out of the blue, FDOT was saying we're gonna fund a 100% of these projects.
Correct.
So that's something that we're
saying is that this windfall to the contractor should the city should somehow offset some of the cost of the building of the parking garage.
Without a doubt.
Okay.
And we can incorporate language into the interim agreement to speak to that. So whether or not this came to fruition at this time, maybe it's something that we could build in so that should something like that happen, we would be able to benefit. Excellent.
I just wanna make sure that we're all working on this together. We're coordinating with all of our partners, and we're not gonna let something like this just sort of like slip through, and we're not taking advantage of it because it it really is a big dollar amount for the overall project. Thank you, mayor. You're welcome.
We have one person who signed up to speak. Thank you, Daphne. I think that's it. Did you have something to ask? Yeah.
I just have one more question. No. I apologize. Thanks, mayor. Daphne, Senate Bill fifteen forty eight regarding live local, can you give us an update on that?
Yes.
Thanks.
So senate bill fifteen forty eight is in regards to, some amendments to the Live Local Act. So it would provide that the preemptions to Live Local of of the Live Local Act permitting the development of affordable housing apply on any property owned by a county, municipality, or school district. It would also provide that a local government may not utilize other dimensional means such as setbacks to constructively restrict the height of a project authorized by the Live Local Act. It permits the utilization of the Live Local Act in the vicinity of airports when approved by the airport's governing body. It clarifies language around the prohibition against discriminating against affordable housing development and land use decisions by a local government and waive sovereign immunity in cases based on such discrimination.
It also provides for, provisions regarding farming and farm operations, which we we don't really have in the city of Fort Lauderdale. So it does some specific things to the Live Local Act. I know on the senate side, we we have been in discussions about any amendments, in order to clarify certain things that were bad for local governments in the original bill. The senate is not, receptive to taking any of those amendments. The house bill doesn't appear to be moving much, but we'll know for sure by the end of this week so I can provide a more clear, update to you on where the senate bill is, where the senator's mindset is, but also where the house bill is and whether or not we can work post session with the legislators in order to develop some legislation for the 2027 session?
Okay. So thanks. So this bill makes the bad aspects of Live Local even worse for us as a city,
just to be clear.
Right? So it makes it worse. It makes a bad bill even more horrible for us as
a city. If you're a developer,
it's Fantastic really if that's who you are, exactly. But for residents of Fort Lara, this is bad. So I just want to make sure, city manager, that we're advocating against this bill. We need to in addition create you know bills proposals after the legislative session to improve live local, but we need to advocate against this. Is that correct?
That's clear. Okay. It sounds like there's consensus to do that.
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Daphne. Thanks, Meyer. That's it.
Any other questions or comments for Daphne? There being none. Okay. Thank you, Daphne. Thank you for your great work. You've been very thorough. Keep rocking. Appreciate it. You're not getting anything done, but we really appreciate it. Thank you. Great job. Great job, though. Great job.
And Mayor, if I could, I just want to highlight that this year, we participated in Broward Days in a way that we haven't in the recent past.
I've heard such great comments. You're going up there. We really appreciate all the great work you're doing on behalf of the city. You made a great presence up there. Daphne, everyone when I mentioned Daphne's name, everyone is so thankful that she's there because she provides a lot of good information to the other legislators, what's going on and understanding the depth of some of these bills.
So it's really helpful for the city. But there's a culture up there. I was up there a couple of weeks ago myself on another matter and the culture up there is just so it has a deaf ear to so much of what we feel is just good and right and fair. And things this, like the Live Local Act, I don't think anyone's paying attention up there as to the impact it's having on communities like Fort Lauderdale, like Miami, like Tampa. Everyone's complaining about the impact that these statues have on the quality of life that we're trying to maintain here in our single family home and multifamily home neighborhoods.
So we'll do what we can to try to make the best of it. But at least if we have our lobbying team there, making sure that our voice, our opinion is being heard, I think that's the most important thing that we can expect at this moment. So thank you.
Thank you, Mayor.
Marilyn, anyone else wish to speak on this item? Since you're the only one, we'll give you full three minutes.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioners. I'm Marilyn Momano. I am speaking on behalf of myself, as a professional planner and as a member of the Broward Section of Florida APA, which I am the legislative representative. Daphne being the consummate professional does not go around crying fire, fire. Okay, house on fire. I'm here to cry house on fire. Okay. Okay. I'm here to speak specifically on SB nine forty eight which is in my opinion incorrectly called starter home, the Florida starter home provision. It's a false promise of starter homes.
I prefer to call it the death of the American dream of owning a single family home. Actually what it is, is it's live local for single family residential districts. And if you read from the staff report, not not I'm not telling you this, this is from the staff report from the staff up in Tallahassee, the bill will have an indeterminate negative physical impact on local governments as they reorganize their entire framework for single family residential zoning and development approval. Okay. Now I'm the first person to say that Lodge Lot single family zoning has been used exclusively, implicitly and explicitly to reduce the opportunities of homeownership for people of a myriad of economic, classes.
And, there's a racial component too when there's literature all over the place that would substantiate that. But this is a false promise of opening up the residential zoning districts, the single family residential zoning districts to multifamily housing. And I will tell you what this bill does, reading from the bill itself. Okay? Under the bill, a local government may not adopt development regulations that govern residential lots unless there is a compelling governmental interest. Zoning protects the welfare and health of the community. It doesn't have to have a compelling government interest. But let's put that aside. That's a planner's, you know, kind of argument. Let me tell you exactly what it does.
If there is a lot on residential real property connected to a public water sewer system, the local government may not require a minimum lot size greater than 12,000 square feet. That's 20 by 100 foot lot, may not require a minimum lot size greater than that. It may not prevent the lot from being developed as a townhouse, duplex, yada, yada, require greater setbacks than zero on the side feet, 10 on the rear or 20 on the front, and a minimum dimension that is more than 20 feet or provide that more or require that more than 30% of the lot be reserved for open space. It may not require a building height less than three stories or a minimum floor area ratio of less than three. It may not require that the property owner occupy the property, very important because we're talking about potential short term rentals here and it may and a minimum size greater than the requirements of the Florida Building Code and it gets worse, it gets worse.
Under the bill, the local governments must allow the lot to front on a shared space and not a public street. Local governments may not require a minimum number of parking spaces greater than one per residential dwelling unit on lots of less than 40,000 square feet, 4,000 square feet, obviously these are smaller than 4,000 square feet, so you may not require parking for more than one dwelling unit or any parking for lots within one half of a mile of a permanent public transit stop such as bus commuter or intercity rail system, okay? This is a nightmare. Think about this. Think about two lots in Imperial Point, okay?
Together, they have two single family homes on them. Somebody comes in, purchases the two lots and starts to subdivide them into townhouse units. Nothing you can do about it. It's live local for single family residential districts. It doesn't preempt, but it provides for a development review procedure where you must approve them if they meet the requirements that I just read, okay.
And if you don't approve it, you must provide written notification to the developer why you don't approve it. So in a sense, it's a preemption or an administrative approval. Daphne has me, Sanneville has said that this may not be moving, it may die in committee. One only hopes that it dies, well deserved death, but we should be careful that this kind of attitude in Tallahassee, which the mayor correctly characterizes as pervasive, anti city, anti local government. This may end up being little pieces being put into other bills that's happened.
We saw that with SB 180. So this is very concerning and I think we should keep our eyes open on this one because if it lives, it will be a catastrophe. And what will happen is the first time it happens, they will come to you and say,
how did
you let this happen?
Well, that's the point. We had that same situation at the Galleria where people were pointing to us that we're letting it happen. And that's why we had the town hall meeting to educate people what's going on. But that alone is not going to be the solution. I remember years ago when I was first a commissioner and we started to see a plethora of townhouse development in Victoria Park and people were saying how do we let this happen? This supposed to be a single family home neighborhood. But what we're going to see is a complete changeover of many of these single family home neighborhoods where they're going to be cluster homes. They're not going to be detached with yards where kids can play and things
like And trees.
Right. And trees. Exactly. You know, it's funny. You know, everyone knows this iconic picture of San Francisco with the multicolored townhouses that are on, I forget the name of the park that it's on.
And if you go up to those houses, they're 20 feet wide. So when you go inside, you have room for a staircase and you have room for a hallway to whatever room you're going particular floor. This is what we're looking at. We're looking at completely changing the identity of our neighborhoods because, someone in Tallahassee has decided that this is how the rest of Florida needs to be accommodated. And you know I'm all about accommodating growth and I'm all about embracing the change of populations that come here and welcoming people to come and experience the paradise that we have for so many years have come to experience, but there's a right way of doing it and there's a wrong way of doing it and this is definitely the wrong way of
doing it. Definitely the wrong way of doing it. My community, Harbordale, we're seeing a conversion of older single family homes into townhomes, but it's not a catastrophe. Okay? Because we're not a single family zoning district. We have townhouses. We have apartment buildings. So there's a natural evolution of the old nineteen fifty houses. You just can't they're not viable anymore and grandpa passed away and the kids don't want to live there anymore. So we're seeing that gradual transition.
No problemo. Okay. I'm not anti townhouse. But I'm telling you that the American dream of buying a home in a single family neighborhood where your kids can play in the backyard and you got lots of room to run around is under direct attack. It's been under direct attack in planning circles for quite some time now because of its exclusionary and past racial, implications.
But I'm telling you that in the, more recent past, a lot more people have been able to afford that American dream. And now that these people have just had this nice new opportunity to afford the American dream, they're going to find out all of a sudden, well, wait a minute, now that I got in, you're changing it. You're changing the rules. And now it's all going to be townhouses and Airbnbs. So there is no affordability here.
The Tallahassee people have bought into this developer dream that if you keep increasing density, okay, increase density, increase density and increase density, houses will become more affordable. And in a closed system, increasing the supply does reduce the price of the commodity. But we don't have a closed system, which is America. People come. You keep building, they keep coming.
The price doesn't come down and you know that's from empirical evidence that we see all around us. We build, we build, we build and the prices don't come down. They're still unaffordable. So this idea that we're going to increase the supply of housing by breaking up the, single family residential neighborhoods and houses will all of a sudden become more affordable, it's a false dream. So let's be careful.
You don't believe in supply side economics? We know. We've had this argument you know.
So Marlon, I I gotta challenge you on a lot of that. Sure. Go. I'm gonna I'm gonna refer back to your background. Right? Sure. So all the row houses and brownstones in Brooklyn and most of those other neighborhoods were on narrow lots.
Okay.
No lot lines whatsoever. They're cheek to jowl and when people wanted a backyard, they moved out to Long Island. When they wanted a backyard and a big lawn in the front, they moved out to those suburban neighborhoods. The reason New York worked was the density is what made it possible for 8,000,000 people to live in a relatively congested area. At some point, and I lived in one of those townhouses in Vic Park.
As did I.
Okay. So yes, all those older nineteen forties era houses that were built there that had a closet the size of this, okay, and and had and had floors that sloped like this. There are people that want to live in that and but most people don't. Most people want a walk in closet. They they wanna they they want rooms that are square, not trapezoidal.
Okay. And and and they want they want more modern amenities in their house, and when you can tear down a single family house that sits on one very large lot and put in four townhomes, yes, increasing density does bring, does increase supply and nobody has repealed the law of supply and demand. So as more people move here, they're going to bid up the prices of existing houses. If we do not create more housing, then the price of existing house goes up more than it will if we create more housing. That again, nobody has repealed the law of supply and demand and nobody ever will.
We have to create more housing. The only way to do that in a constrained environment as you point out, we're not creating more land. So we have to repurpose the land that we have.
May I may I? Okay. I agree with you that we need more housing. I agree with you that townstones of townhouses are perfectly acceptable way of living and that is the American dream for some people. Not everybody wants to live in a a a house on a big lot with a big yard that you gotta Or can
afford you. That's what happened all along You
used you used the example of the people who were living in those townhouses in Brooklyn and then when they had a family and they could afford it, they moved out to Long Island to the burbs where they had a single family home. What this is is an attack on the Long Island Burbs. Okay?
No. That's Weston. That's Parkland. That's Sunrise. That's Plantation. I'm following your That's not the urban
environment But that we live when people want that American dream, I mean we've had this argument that the planners level. Okay. My American dream versus your American dream. Okay. I've had both. I've lived in a townhouse. I built myself a house out in the Hamptons on a big lot. So you know, people move, they change, their lifestyles change, their economic situation changes. So it's about choice, okay? You can't tell one person's American dream. You can't have that dream anymore because we need more houses for other people. It's just not fair. There's a fairness argument here that I would bring to your attention. But I'm not against density. I teach it.
I preach it for goodness sake. Okay? In the appropriate places, in the appropriate amounts, which is not live local. Okay? I don't care what you say. I will never support the density, and and preemption and administrative approval of Live Local. But speaking of Live Local, the bill that we're opposing has got one good part of it. It reduces the affordable, the income limits from 120% of median income to 80%, no, no to 100% of median. That's a good thing. If you know if we have to take the bad, let's take that good one. Let's call that a victory. Okay. So you know we can we can have a couple of years and talk about this ad nauseam but Alright.
Let's Mayor check
your time.
Thank you very much.
Alright. Thank you.
Thank you
so much.
I love my house on Long Island. I don't know about anybody else. Really enjoyed that single family home. We had about an acre and a half. It was really nice. Thank you.
Alright. Let's move on. CF two. This is a presentation on managing your water bill, Rates Prevention, Ordinance Rights and Customer Assistance Program. And this will be presented by the finance department.
Yes. I'm going to invite Linda Short, our Finance Director, to provide a presentation. And as you know, Mayor and Commissioners, we receive e mails and feedback all the time about things related to water billing, and our team is very dedicated to providing excellent customer service and information. And this item reflects an opportunity for us to share some background information as well as, to give our neighbors an opportunity to learn more about what we do and how we can assist them.
Thank And just to piggyback on that, I've had hundreds, hundreds of people with bills in the tens of thousands of dollars. And so we need a more robust answer. Well, to your
point, we initiated this new water meters program, correct? And tell us in your presentation,
tell Yes, us the the presentation does include some information about the AMI program.
Okay. So let's hear about that let's see what steps we're taking to try to ameliorate the situation.
We're trying to fix it at every avenue. Good afternoon, honorable mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, Linda Short, director of finance here at the city of Fort Lauderdale. With me today that's going to be presenting, I have Aaron Kendrick, who is the Deputy Director of Finance. He handles the utility billing area. Most of the day to day stuff goes through him before it comes through me. Additionally, with me is going to be Ingrid Schinbaum. She is the Program Manager, Utility Services and Albert Carbone, who is the Utility Services Director as well. And additionally, one person here for question and answers is Veronica Wade. She's the Revenue Collections Manager and the frontline working with the customers every day. So let me give you a background about our utility billing system.
We have over 56,000 accounts that we bill for and that's about 66,000 meters. So So the reason why you have more accounts than meters is that some accounts have an irrigation and a regular meter for the residential. So we have more meters than accounts, which makes sense. The more irrigation meters that we have out there, the lower your bill would be because you don't get billed for the sewer as a part of your bill. So let me just walk through some numbers before we get into the presentation.
We bill approximately $200,000,000 worth of revenue every year for the water and sewer system. As an intake and dealing with the customers, we deal about 300 to three fifty phone calls a day as well as about 125 neighbors that walk in to our lobbies day to day to get service whether it's to talk about a bill, pay a bill, open, close service or submit an application. All right. All right. So the discussion today, we're going to go into how to understand and manage your water bill, right?
We'll go through what the current rates are, rate increases that has been adopted by ordinance. We'll go through some of the common causes for high bills. We'll go through high consumption and some steps to prevent the high bills. And we'll go through what the benefits are for an irrigation meter, which I told you already, we have about 10,000 irrigation meters out there. We'll go through the tests and credits that we do to test what's going on with the system.
We'll go through the pay arrangements and the assistance program that was developed this year and funded this year. And then we'll also go through the AMI, which everybody wants to know what's going on with AMI, which is a program we've been working on for several years to implement and we're on the road. Implementation has started and we're excited to talk about what those steps are. All right, understanding and managing your bill. All right, so on the left hand side, you will see what our current residential rates are.
We do a tier system when it comes to the consumption, and the rates that you see there right now are 26 rates. So $4.92 for every thousand gallons up to 3,000. Anything between four and eight thousand is $10.80 per thousand gallons and so on and so forth. So when you have a bill, and on the bottom we have our sewer rates, which is also you have zero to three or above three and the rates are for every thousand gallons, how much you get charged, that's the rate. On your right hand side of your presentation, you'll see what the average bill is for the smallest meter that we have, which is a fiveeight meter using about 5,000 gallons for the month.
If you're looking at that, the middle chart fiscal year 2026, you will see your consumption on a 5,000 gallon utilization equates to $36.36. That is just for water consumption. Included in the bill also is a sewer consumption porch portion, which is $48.94. However, included in the bill are fixed charges that are standard. So whether you have service hooked up or not, there's an availability payment, fixed costs that are required to be paid, and that is your base and your fixed rate for the water and sewer system.
And like I said, if your water is shut off, you're still getting a bill, it's your base charges. Additionally, on top of that, we charge a 10% utility tax on the base and the consumption. And then of course, if you have sanitation with us, you have a sanitation fee. So for a 5,000 gallon consumption on a five eighths meter, you're paying about a $173.83, including sanitation, utility taxes, utilization, and the base charges. All right, so rate increases.
Why did our rates increase? Our rates increased for several reasons. One, we're trying to support needed infrastructure in the water and sewer system. Additionally, we have operational changes that have to happen due to regulatory changes. So we have the Prospect Lake Clean Water Center, which is why that big spike happened in 2025 to 22% increase for water and a 9% increase for sewer.
In 2026, it is nine and nine. And next year in twenty seven's fiscal year is going to be nine and five and twenty eight afterwards is five and five, which was our standard about 5% increase what we had years ago. Like I said, these rates were built in as a part of our rate study to ensure that we had sufficient revenue to manage the system and issue the needed debt that was needed for the infrastructure. Now to go over some common causes, I'm going to introduce Aaron Kendrick, Deputy Director, just to walk you through a couple of these slides.
Good afternoon. As Linda said, my name is Aaron Kendrick, deputy finance director, for the record. Speaking through the city manager to the mayor, vice mayor, and commission. Very pleased to be with you. This is my inaugural discussion with you. First time been in front of very
Thank you good. You'll be judged.
Oh, very pleased to be with you. I wanna talk about some of the common causes of of the high water bills that we hear. When someone applies for a credit with us, one of the criteria or the things that they have to do is they have to, engage a leak specialist in order to determine whether or not there's an actual leak or whether this is an unusual leak scenario. And if there is a leak that it has been repaired because we don't wanna issue a credit on something, and the leak still exists. And so these are the common causes that we see on the applications that comes back from individuals when they're applying for a credit.
And essentially, there's nothing here that's rocket science. It's probably most of these you probably would have guessed, but these are indeed the, items that we see on the applications. Running toilets, the flap, the flapper is either worn out or valve fill or there's a stuck float, those three devices, those three items that are in the back of the toilet there. Usually one of those toilets are probably, very high on the reasons, for most leaks, surprisingly. Leak leaking faucets, shower, and valves, things of that nature.
Water softeners, stuck regeneration mode, stuck in regeneration mode. Essentially, it doesn't realize that it has cleaned that water and it continually cleaning the same bucket of water over and over again. And when that fills up, it causes it to drain. And so it's just additional water going down the drain. Refrigerator, ice maker often leak the leaky lines, washing machine hoses, often leaking.
And then you've got the reverse osmosis, caught in a rerun cycle. And that has that tank often that sit underneath the sink. And what happens is that when it fills with water, the air pressure is supposed to turn off that valve, but it doesn't in a lot of cases. And, you can use up to a 100 to 500 gallons a day, when one of those system gets gets locked up on you. Outdoor causes, irrigation leaks as you like I say, you may have guessed that, of course.
Sprinkler heads, you know, are cracked, things of that nature are just generally running. We've got that overwatering during the dry season. A lot of individuals here are as we all know are here part of the year and somewhere else at the other part, but they leave the water irrigation set at the same system and so they're they're often posit as to why they're using so much water when it's, during these all seasons. Hoses left running, malfunctioning irrigation, and rain sensors, spigots from the outdoor showers and leaks. And I gotta admit, never had an outdoor shower so that one's an interesting one to me.
Other causes? Your other calls are the pool fillings or the pool fill system continually running. Pressure washing, we often get this where people or puzzled, they call us, the first thing they ask me generally is why is my bill so high? Tell me how can that be. And often I'm not there but after a little bit of a conversation, you'll generally find out they've had the house order driveway, pressure wash it, which explains a lot of what that spike is related to.
Guest in large gatherings, people have We see this a lot during the holidays as you might expect. People coming over or people staying, things of that nature actually, you know, creates a significant spike. Flipping that to the next page here, high consumption, and the practical steps, how can we prevent some of this and what how can we identify these issues? Normal indicators of unusual consumption is, a sudden doubling or tripling of your usage. Now utility billing automatically when it sees a doubling of someone's bill, we don't bill that right away.
We sent out the team to do a second read on that just to confirm that the reading that we have is indeed a legitimate read. So doubling, we double check before we actually even put that bill out there. Monitoring of the immediate flow during night hours. If you're curious as to whether or not you've got an issue, a lot of times you can take a look at that meter just before, you do before you've you finished all your shower and everything that evening. The next day or the next morning, before you start engaging in a lot of water usage, take a look at that meter and you will either there should be very little movement.
If you've got movement at that time, you probably got some type of leak somewhere. Spikes during months when the irrigation, isn't normally used as I've kind of indicated earlier. A lot of times that's because the irrigation meters are set and never monitored or changed. And if you have usage that it's kind of significantly higher than your twelve month average, which is what we utilize for most of the calls that we receive. We look and say we take a look at that average and see whether or not you have increased above that or whether or not you're really in your normal pattern.
The benefits of irrigation meters. First of all, irrigation meters do not charge sewer fees, which is the biggest financial benefit to them. Because if if you notice the slide that Linda showed you earlier, sewer sewer charges cost more than the actual water does until you get up to 13,000 gallons, which most households very rarely get up to 13,000 gallons. So most often if you're paying for sewage, you're paying that cost. I can say that that's greater than the actual water usage itself.
So getting an irrigation meter in place can drastically reduce your monthly bill. It also helps isolate the outdoor usage from the indoor usage. As I indicated earlier, the number one thing I hear, why is my bill so high? What's going on here? A lot of times it's difficult to tell if you've got your irrigation and your domestic water usage combined, but if they're separated it gives us an opportunity to be able to distinguish a little bit quicker where the issue may be, and to provide you with some assistance.
And so as I indicated, that's supporting the, future investigation aspect of this. Went the wrong direction. Testing credits. The city offers a couple of well, should say the other way around. A neighbor can request a meter test at any given time, that they are concerned about the accuracy of their readings.
Now this comes with a cost first time at $16, second time at the same household would be $70 However, if we test that meter and it turns out that you're, that is faulty, naturally that would be refunded to you. So you wouldn't have to pay, for a test on a bad meter. Customers, often like to be present during that reading. That is not a requirement of the ordinance. However, we do our best to kinda honor that request when when it's practical.
And so we will allow, as as neighbors to take a a part in that meter test, in terms of being there. If a meter passes as I indicated earlier, we will.
Well,
my apologies.
There we go.
Sorry about that. But I was doing such a good job. Come on. You still
are. You're
doing a
great job.
If the meter passes the full test, then naturally we will adjust that bill accordingly. One key distinction here are clarification. When we say if a meter passed the test or failed the test, what we are talking about is overregistering. If it is overregistering and charging you more water than it should be, that is a failure where you get a credit. If it is underregistering, that's still considered a failure. However, you are not gonna get a credit because we haven't been charging you enough in the first place.
Okay. Let's stop right there. So if we're overcharging and you give and it's determined that that the amount is not correct, but are we giving a 100% credit or just a discounted amount? No.
If your meter is determined to be Okay.
It's all based on the meter. Right. Okay. Right. Not based on a spike where a person gets charged $3,000 a month for water and their normal rate is like $200 a month. So that's different. That's a whole different situation.
It is and it's on the next I believe it's the next slide coming up what you're just, what you're going into, sir.
Okay.
Yes, ma'am. So I'll yeah. I'll see if I can clarify that when we get to that in a minute here. What we're saying here in in this aspect is that you've requested a meter test because you were concerned about its accuracy. We've gone out, we've pulled that meter, we've replaced it with another one. And so we are taking that back to the shop and we're gonna test it. If it fails by because it was over registering, in other words it was charging you more water usage than you were actually utilizing, then we will credit you for that. If we don't have an issue with it, then of course whatever bill we've issued stands.
Aaron, thank you. Is do we have any limit to the credit that can be paid based on a faulty water meter?
The only limit would be your twelve month average. So if let's say if your twelve month average is is 5,000, just 5,000 gallons.
And we go out and we test your meter. Right. Because you say, hey, I'm using 15,000. What's going on here? Then we're gonna credit you back down to your average.
Got it. Regardless how high it was.
Correct. Perfect.
Thank you.
The entire amount. So consumption credits, since we're talking about credits and assets, go through that. Essentially, we have two types of credits, that for a known leak and that for an unexplained, scenario where Mystery leak. It's a mystery leak. Don't know why it is and you can't tell us why it is.
And so, it is essentially as as Damir says, it's a mystery. How they how those two credits are applied or or you since they applied, how those two credits are attributed to you based upon, their attributes. If it's a known credit, if it's a known leak, then you can have, I'm sorry, yes, if it's a known leak, we will allow you to do the normal paperwork indicate, show us that the repair that has been repaired and then we will take your twelve month average, provided, and here's this where this is what happens with a lot of individuals, provided that that leak created a scenario that was more than double your normal average. So say your average usage is 5,000 gallons again and you had a leak and you're and it went up to 9,000, gallons. You will not get a credit because your leak did not create a scenario where you went 10,000 or above, double what you normally your normal average.
But should it go above your normal average, you will then be credited everything back down to your to your, normal 5,000 average. Even the mystery leak? Even the Mystery League? Even with the Mystery League.
So but but in many cases the the 5,000 a month average can go as high as 20,000 a month. So what happens to that 15,000 difference?
If well, that's if that's that is what you're getting the credit for. You're if if you're a normal five, you went up to 20 because of a a league. Right. So you're 15 above your normal usage average. We will credit you by everything above the 5,000, everything above your average, the 15 will be credited. You'll get a credit for that because you've done two things. You've you've exceeded double. That double what your normal was.
Right.
Normal was five. So if you
go So that's the latest test. It has to be double or or more.
Right.
Okay.
And then we will credit you everything above your not your average.
The problem that I'm having though with my with my residences, they're having companies come out and testing for leaks and there's no leaks.
Which is
I a guy with a $36,000 bill and no leak. That's how much people are down. I have a 23,000 gallon swimming pool.
So I mean
I wouldn't
be able to float a boat in that thing.
I have seen what you're describing, commissioner several times, but that is where the and and I I could give credit to you, body as well as his predecessors. He said, hey, if if we can't you can't find it and we can't tell you what it is, it's a mystery. We've got a credit for that too. And it's it's this and essentially, it's the same credit for when you have a leak. They're both calculated the same way.
And just so you know, by the way, the mayor and I have both experienced the mystery leaks. So the the mayor had one and I had one and and I've been doing this for the better part of thirty years, so I know how to go out and check my meter for leaks. I stand there, I watch and see if it's spinning. Right. You know, I I know how to look for for, you know, by by, toilets and check if they're leaking. I've done this before. I have a hook. I know how to pull the thing up so.
Now the the the one important distinction between those two credits though is a known credit, you can apply as many times as you have a leak. The mystery, you're only allowed once at that particular residence. And so, forever? Forever. Forever ever as the leak. Now should you move and go to another residence, you then you you get another mystery. But as long as you're at that same residence, only get one
Something doesn't sound right here.
All have to say
a mystery. It's unexplained.
So city manager or mayor, if I can jump. So I think that's an opportunity for improvement, city manager. I think is that if it's a mystery by the way, thank you, Aaron,
and Linda I for what you
email you all all the time, and thank you for your help. I wish they see my name,
they're like, okay. I wouldn't say that, commissioner, but Thank
you. So I think that mystery unknown origin, think shouldn't be a one time only credit. And and so I'd like us to look at Mayor, is it you know, is there a twelve month period where it begins again? Because there's got to be I think rather than a once a lifetime opportunity for something that's that's chronic, right. So that's is that something we can look at or
I think we could take a look at that and figure out what's the right time period or window. Linda, you look like
you want to Hi. Talk
So you know one thing that we need to focus on or keep our focus on is that we're implementing the AMI system. The advanced metering program and the infrastructure we're putting in place, neighbors will have this every minute, every second. They can see it. So I really feel that a lot of the issues You can
see it. You can see it.
They can see it.
How can they see it?
They will have an app and the app is connected as long as you long it and register
Right.
It will give you alerts. It will say is my water running? Is something wrong? It will give you alerts. It will let you
know. Okay.
That's something is going on.
Years now. So tell us
Well, it is coming up. That's later in the presentation.
Look, know.
No. But it is it actually is being you guys awarded the contract. The contractors out there installing it right now.
But that
was just a pilot version.
No. No. No. We're installing meters. Meters are going in the ground area Okay. By And what's the timetable? That you will get at the end of the presentation. We started in December. December. December.
Yes. We're up to about 400 installations per day, and I think we're trying to ramp that up significantly. Right. So while this project took a while to get started Mhmm. We are expediting to ensure that we can get this done by 2027 citywide.
Yes. That's next year? Yep.
Next fiscal year.
It's not it's not 2030. Okay.
No. And Okay.
And that's great. I'm very much looking forward And to the I would just say in the interim, I think we should still evaluate more than one credit for those scenarios. The other question I have around that Linda is do what months are used to determine the average? Is it prior to a spike because we don't want to include the spike. You see what I'm saying?
It is prior. Yes, whatever time that spike is
before twelve months before that. Abnormality. That's correct. Thank you. Thanks, Mary. I just want to ask about that.
Okay. Yes, it's the previous twelve months prior to the incident. This
is great. I'm going
to move to the next slide here and talk about the pool credit. We do offer pool credit as well, provided at least 75% of the pool was filled.
Sorry, Aaron, if I could add one other question So on that last city manager, if I'm understanding it right, for mystery or unidentified mystery or identified leak that credit kicks in if and when there's a doubling of average usage. Did I say that right?
One of the criteria is that we utilize determine whether or you're going to get a credit at all is that whatever usage your average is, it has to be twice that.
Twice that. So both of them. Sorry, for both identified and not identified. So Am I saying that here's another question is instead of necessitating a doubling for credit, could we have a lower bar for that? In other words, so what I'm thinking Aaron is, could it be a 50% increase that's either mysterious or identified? In other words, could we lower that threshold for credit is something I'm interested in exploring if that's
I think if if there's consensus to do that, we could look at our policy and go to that 50% threshold.
And I I guess the only thing that would add to that is that the calculation is not an internal policy. It's actually written into the ordinance itself. And so Right. Yes to your Yep. To to the manager's point, if that is something that the body wants, then naturally we could bring that to you.
But, I would also, emphasize what Linda said earlier though. With the AMI meters, what the neighbors don't have now will be greatly enhanced to allow them to be able to identify these issues. I think drastically ahead of what they're able to do now. You're I think what the what you're trying to do, and I would probably strongly agree with on the normal circumstances, but I'm not sure. I I would probably say allow the AMI to get put in place and see whether or that is still needed. But of course that is your decision, I
think perhaps what I'm hearing is that, we're excited about AMI being implemented, but we have gone through a lot to date and our neighbors have experienced a lot. And we want to do something to address it now while considering that AMI is still being rolled out. Correct. And I do think that we're going to see a significant improvement in the user experience as well as with our operations once the AMI implementation realized. So I do think that there is a benefit to doing something now.
Looking at the data, and let's track to see how it's going. And perhaps once we do get full implementation and we see how that looks, maybe there's an opportunity again to come back to the commission and say, hey, look at all these improvements that we've seen based on the data. And we can ask the commission at that point, hey, is there anything that we might need to do to tweak our implementation process or how we apply consumption credits? So I hear the frustration, and it sounds like we're looking for some sort of immediate relief. It would still need to come back to the commission via ordinance.
And so that's why I'm just trying to make sure we have consensus on those ideas. I think we could do that. But then I think at a later date after AMI is fully realized, if we could then come back to the commission with a status update and say, hey, this is what we've seen. This is where we think we've improved or or it hasn't improved in the way that we thought it would. And then we could ask the commission again to take a look to see if there's anything we need to do.
Yep. Think that's important because there's a potential class action lawsuit hanging out there right now. They're they're collecting names of the hundreds of people that have been complaining on Nextdoor. So I'm just letting you know that this is
out there. So yes, so agreed. So I think that's a great direction, City Manager. And look, once AMI gets fully instituted, we may be able to adjust that percentage and time frame and so forth in some helpful ways. But I think until then, this would be good.
Sure. And Linda, could you follow-up? It looks like you wanted to
share I did. I just wanted to share that even the credits that afforded to people who apply for it is built into our rates. So any changes to the credit methodology would have to we'd have to take a look at how that affects our rates going forward. That's all I wanted to make sure you guys knew.
And I'd point out one other thing as it relates to these credits to it. Terms of unknown leaks on average, the average credit request we get is about 140 people or 140 accounts. Unexplained mystery, we get about 35 of those per month request. The total cost to, the total monthly cost is about $260,000 in credits that we're giving back. Every month.
Every month. In relation but compare it to us billing on average $22,000,000 in monthly. So it's less than 1%. Right now it's not, it's about 1.2%, so it's just 1% basically. So although we're these credits are coming and we're spending a lot of time and energy on them because we need to research them and go through and make sure that they're, valid request. In the overall big revenue picture, they're 1% of what we bill them off.
Okay. Please proceed. Sure. I was
just mentioning the pool credit and like I say, we do offer pool credit and somehow or other that particular credit is not as well known to the neighbors as some
of the
other I didn't know it existed.
Yeah. Yeah. And I get that a lot of times. I say, we we talk with individuals and we find out, oh, you you refilled the pool. Oh, we got a credit for that, know. So it does have to be like I say, almost a complete refill 75% at least. And then we we need a little bit of documentation in terms of what size the pool is and so on. But normally normally that's one thing that we're
able to provide top of it. It's not for topping off.
No, sir. With that, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna turn this back over to miss Short to talk about the payment arrangements and some of the other items.
was a great spirited conversation. I love it. Thank you, Aaron. Good job. Alright. Now just to He quits, by
the way.
He's a
He's like I'm done.
No. Alright. So let's go through what we have to help neighbors who can afford to pay or if the bill is so high that it's giving them an issue. We do allow for payment arrangements. So what we can do is we do a structured payment arrangements are available. We typically do a twelve month repayment period. We can do more if the bill is super high. We've done more than twelve months. We've done twenty four, sometimes thirty months. But twelve months is typically what we offer.
We don't want someone to pay more than double their more than double their normal bill. So if it's gonna be more than double their their normal bill, we would extend it a little further. It's designed to avoid service disruption. So instead of you getting a notice that we're gonna cut off your water because your bill is too high, you can't afford to pay it, you can apply to get a payment arrangement. It's a zero interest, percent to you.
You just basically amortize your large bill or what's remaining of that bill over a twelve month period, and it must be arranged in person through the utility billing office. I just wanna tell you, as of today, we have about a 151 payment arrangements active right now. Total amortized cost was about $580,000 of utility arrangements out there. All right. Now we're going to talk about the new program that started this year. Yes, ma'am. I'm
This may be a little bit off, but pertaining to the conversation, we have that neighborhood in my district that had the problem with, the building and the way that the water bills were being engaged. Are they currently under any of these arrangements? And also, moving forward with the AMI, would they be able to be able to take advantage of the AMI because of the way their infrastructure is set up?
Right. So I will give as much information as I presently have on it. They were offered a payment arrangement but have not accepted it yet. But I don't know where their status is. I think it was sent out to them a little while not that long ago, a couple of weeks ago or so. I believe the letter went out with them with a payment arrangement. And additionally, in order for them to partake in the AMI program we're doing, they have to convert their system from a private utility to a public utility and the cost for that assessment was provided to them. I can tell you that that neighborhood has not made a payment since August. We've kept the water on even though they're not making payments. And so we're hoping to get this resolved.
Now that we've sent the letter out, I'm hoping we can get some movement on that.
Okay. Thank you. And through city manager, I keep in contact to make sure we're staying on point with it.
Perfect. Thank you. All right. And now we're going to go over this is a new program that started this year. It's a municipal services affordability program. I think for the budget, we had about a $150,000 we put aside this year. Neighbors can apply and can get up to a thousand dollars towards their utility bill. I have some numbers here. This program is actually managed through the CSD department, the community services department. You have you have income limitations on there.
You must live within the city limits, of course. Assistance is applied directly to the utility account, so we're not giving you a check. We're applying it right to your account for you. You must have the required documentation to apply. And if anybody is interested, there's a phone number there, on the bottom that they can call to get in touch with someone to give them information about the program. All right. So now comes the exciting part of our program and our presentation, which is to talk about the AMI program. So Ingrid, would you please come up?
Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. My name is Ingrid Kimbo. I work in the Utility Services as a Program Manager, and I am heading up this AMI implementation. So I will give you a little short, brief update on where we are in the program. And the benefits, we've already kind of gone through many of the benefits through Linda and Erin.
But yes, you will be able to see hourly usage, and we monitor it on an hourly basis. And residents will get access to their own hourly usage once all the meters have been installed through a customer portal where they can log in. They have to sign up and log in, and they can see their hourly usage. The system also can set different levels for leaks. If you have, like Eren talked about, leaking toilet, you can set your individual limits.
If you have a continuous flow of water of, say, 10 gallons per hour, that indicates that there is a slow leak in your house somewhere. And that will be you can notice that within a few hours. It reduces definitely the city's need to estimate billing because we will have accurate billing on demand or you can even do an on demand reading. Customer access, like I said, to the real time data. I even get some calls sometimes when they say I have such a high bill, and they're already in the program.
They don't have access to their usage themselves yet, but I do. And I see a 500 gallon usage at five a. M. Every other day. And they say the sprinkler is not on, and I say, go out at five a. M. Tomorrow morning, and then I didn't hear back from them. So it will be a faster identification of abnormalities. We don't have to wait for average monthly bills. That should be coming up almost instantly.
So the status. We started putting meters in the ground in December 2025. We have started small to make sure that we are installing, that all the systems and the Kayenta and our billing system is keeping up and that we don't fall behind. We need to make sure that this is done right. So we are ramping up rapidly.
We've overcome the first hurdles, I think, so that we feel comfortable to ramp up. We will ramp up. So all the 60 approximately 65,000 meters will be replaced by mid-twenty twenty seven. We are doing continuous neighborhood outreach. We have a really nice website that strategic communication design.
We're going to all the HOA meetings. We also send out postcards before we come and install, and we have a hotline that also takes calls. So actually, I looked at the numbers of meters installed as per 02:00 today because we just started the ramp up, it was ten eighty five. But next time I come here, if I come back or I send out an LTC, it will gradually increase. And here's just a visual in case you have never looked at your own water meter.
This is an actual install of before and after. So now, Vice Mayor Herbst, once you get it in your house, you have to read it digitally. Lift that little there's a little lid you lift on the new Ally meter, and you can see your read.
What's the app?
It's a customer portal that's going to be, it's called Spray Point.
I'm sorry?
It's called Spray Point and it will be implemented, when all the meters are installed.
When all the meters are installed? Yes. So the people that have it now can't use can't use it?
No. Okay. But if they but if they have an abnormality, we can see. And if they call us, we can tell them.
Well, they won't know it until they get their bill.
Is a true point. Does it alert you? It alerts us as well.
Okay. Okay.
So you know one of those things about those old meters is everybody is telling me that when you open them up and you look at them, you can't read them.
Some of them have
the glasses. They're dirty, they're buried under dirt, they're illegible. They're actually kind of asking me all the time how our meter readers can read them when nobody else can read them.
I think It's
a secret code. Well,
legitimate is question because these folks with very high water bills and they pull the top off and they look at it and they say, doesn't look like anybody has read this since like 2004. So they're they're sort of curious as to how our meter readers have never read a meter that's buried under like three inches of dirt. Unless it's got like an RFID chip in and like they're able to walk down the street and they're reading it remotely, but if they have to look at these
They look at it.
They're not reading it.
You're correct in the sense that we do we get that question all the time. You're right, absolutely right, commissioner. But when our readers go out and and they no one believes it, but they have a little solution that they do utilize to spray on those glasses or whatever that allows them to, you know, to see a little bit better than what most neighbors are able to do. And often, we're only looking at three digits on there. The neighbors are normally trying to see every digit on there and they and they they don't realize that the readers only coming out and paying attention to three of those numbers out of the of the six or seven numbers that's in there.
And so subsequently I'll just tell my residents you guys have x-ray vision.
They have secret Dick Tracy glasses.
We make it happen, sir. Okay.
Here's just the last visual for you, what it looks like when it's done. So when they come out and install, they put the meter in the ground, they activate it. And then you see on the right hand side there, the little mushroom cap that's in the lid, that is what sends out the signal that we can read the meter remotely.
All right. Any questions? I think there are no further questions.
Thank you.
Anything further? Nothing. Okay. We have one person who signed up to speak, Abby Kanner. Is Abby here? Come on up. Thank you so much. You push the button at the bottom of the speaker so that Abby has okay, great. Thank you. Good afternoon.
Hi. Hi.
I'm gonna need more than three minutes.
Well, you're only allowed three minutes, so Good. Do your best.
Okay. With all due respect, I appreciate everything that you've shared with us. However, if you go to Publix and you spend $50 and you look at your receipt and it says it's $100 because they double charged you and everything or they say it's $80 does Publix only give you back your money if it's double what you paid? No. They give you back everything that they took that they shouldn't have taken.
That's how it should be with your water bill. If you have no leak and you've had a plumber check and you have no water that's leaking and yet your bill is $7,000, why are you only getting back the difference between your, let's say, 200 bill and your $7,000 bill. You should be getting back everything. Whether it's double, not double, doesn't matter. The same thing with this new meter thing, this is great.
We're thrilled that you're putting in new meters. But what this gentleman pointed out, when you have a meter that is not legible and you know it has not been read and you're still getting ridiculous water bills, you have an 1,800 square foot house with one person and a cat, and they're getting $700 a month water bills, something's not right. Okay? There's way too many somethings that are not right. This gentleman on the end pointed out that there is a class action suit pending, and it is. There are hundreds and and hundreds of people who are writing and saying, I don't understand it. I was away for a month and a half, and my bill was still $600. The water was off. No sprinklers. No nothing.
Gone. House closed. Closed. Still got the bill. This is happening again and again and again and again. People are getting outrageous water bills. They are going from people were paying a $125, and now suddenly their bill is regularly $600 a month. There are no leaks. They've had plumbers. They'd have everything.
This is insane. Plus the fact, once you fix these meters and it shows that these people who were getting these $600 water bills should have been paying $92, Are you going to reimburse them the difference for the last fifteen years that you've been overcharging them? Because that's the way it works. When a company is sued because they've been overcharging their clients for goodness knows how many years. They don't just get sued for what they overcharged last week. They get sued for all of the overcharging, which is what you guys need to do. Okay?
mystery bills, there's no mystery. Okay? If you've had a plumber check everything, if you've sat in front of your meter and watched it not move for an hour, you know you don't have a leak when nothing is on. So why are you getting getting a bill that's ridiculous?
Alright. Thank you so much.
If whatever you're doing here, I appreciate the info, but it isn't enough. And you know it, and we all know it, and everyone here knows it is.
Ma'am, if I could, ma'am. Do you know ma'am? Hi. Sorry. No. No problem. Do you know what city commission district you live in?
Yours? I live in Tarpon River.
Tarpon River. Okay. So you're in District 4. I am. So District 4. So I'd be happy to help. So if you want to send me an email, I'm happy to work to figure out what's going on.
Well, you're gonna be busy for the rest of your life doing this because there are
He's young. Hundreds.
I don't sleep I
work on
this all the time. Okay.
So feel free.
Are hundreds of entries on Nextdoor that this gentleman pointed And
unfortunately, they're all coming to me, commissioner Sorenson. So they they no. Seriously. So they've set up one email and they're forwarding them all to me. Everything in the city
is now coming to me.
I mean
gets this shit.
No. No. No. Mayor, I'm telling you they set up one email and they've decided that I am the point person who are the entire city because they think I'm the mayor. I swear to God, you can't make this up.
The the privilege of being vice mayor, I guess,
is what They didn't read the entire thing. They saw mayor and just decided I met.
Right.
Right.
Well, thank
you. You
certainly get everything you need from
this No. I actually can't.
So I can't. So Sunshine Law prevents it.
Well, would you like me to just forward five or 600 emails to you?
You're more than welcome if that's what you'd like to do, but we'll start with you. So start with yours, if you'd like.
Mine is
ridiculous to
Okay. Better.
Okay. Okay.
I don't know why for no particular reason except for the fact that I complained and screamed and went down to the water department and was literally on the phone with the woman who said, no, you're right. Your meter we can't I said, we can't read the meter. We're reading it every month. You can't possibly be reading it because I'm looking at it, and it's covered in four inches of mud.
Oh, god.
So he
said, we'll have someone come and read it, and he'll knock on your door. While I was on the phone with her, this guy came, theoretically, put a sticker on my door. Did he read it? I don't know. I went and opened the thing. It was still covered with two inches of mud. Miracles happen.
Okay. Thank you. Let us continue. Thank you. Moving on to Business One. This is also a presentation proposed certificate of use process, Development Services Department. City Manager?
We have Michael Ferrera from the Development Services Department to present on this item.
Afternoon, I Mr.
Am not Michael Freirer. I'm Anthony Fajardo, the Director of Development Services. Today, we have a presentation that's been a joint project with CSD and DSD. The point of this is to develop a program process that would be business friendly so that people who want to open a business in the city of Fort Lauderdale have clear direction on what they can and cannot do in a specific location. As I think many of you have been aware, there have been issues where we've had applicants come in after they've signed leases for business taxes or other agreements.
And it turns out that use is either not even permitted in that location or they have to do other things such as go through a conditional use approval or revise the building to accommodate the use and they can't provide parking or something else that the code requires. So staff has been doing some research, looking at other communities. The presentation today is to get feedback from the city commission. We have, Portia Garcia and Katrina Johnson from CSD here with us as well as Ella Parker. Michael Ferreira, one of our urban design and planning planners is going to do the presentation and we'll be here to answer any questions. Part of this process though I want to emphasize, we haven't gotten into a lot of details, but with we'll we'll question.
Question.
With issue for the They next don't have to go through something complicated. Right now, there is no defined process, so there are many entry points into asking the question and many exit points. So it's not really easy for staff to maintain. It's not really easy for people to understand. So with that, I'll turn it over to Michael, and we'll be prepared to answer any questions you have.
Thank you. Great.
Hello, Michael. Is this your first time to?
Thank you.
Yes, it is my first time to say to you guys.
A lot of first timers.
Good afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, city commissioners. Michael Ferrer, I'm an urban planner with, DSD. Today's presentation is regarding our certificate of use process that DSD in collaboration with CSD is proposing to implement. The presentation will include a brief background on what a certificate of use is, the current and proposed use as well as the proposed ordinance and some presentations that, some city staff have conducted as well as potential outreach. So what is a certificate of use?
So a certificate of use verifies that a business type and or use is permitted in a specific location. It complements a business tax receipt and it complements a business tax receipt, which is, needed in order to operate a business. It provides an applicant with vital and valuable information before they move forward with investing in the space. Although we do not have a certificate of use process at the moment, it is common practice throughout other jurisdictions such as Boca Raton, City Of Miami, and Westin to name a few. So why do we need a certificate of use?
There are several reasons and scenarios. Some of the most important ones are, let's say for instance an applicant were to come in and apply for a building permit
to to
able see the
DRC review as well as PCB approval. At this point, Safa government have has to put the permit on hold while the applicant moves forward with DRC and PCB approval. This adds added additional cost to the applicant as well as additional review times. Another, scenario is a business owner that comes in and applies for a business tax receipt with a lease already signed beforehand without verifying whether that use is permitted or not. So similar to the first one, going through the review process when we find out that, that use is not permitted, the applicant or the business owner has two options.
Either they choose to change their business type or they would have to hire an attorney in order to break that lease. Third example would be similar to the first in that you have an applicant that comes in, they apply for an interior alteration for a restaurant with an outdoor dining, in an existing plaza space. Well, during the review process, it's revealed that, that plaza space was not part, for a restaurant, which means now the applicant will have to apply for a parking reduction. Similar to the first example, they will not have to go through DRC as well as planning zoning board approval, which adds added costs as well as review time for the applicant. So some of the, the goals and benefits of this new certificate of use process is that it improves business application process and it provides structure for certain application types.
It enhances our customer experience. It reduces denials and decrease in review times. And kind of one of the important ones is it identifies the issues upfront before substantial fees are required, before a contractor is hired, a lease is and a lease is signed, or a property purchase, and you can avoid potential code violations as well. This process also reduced staff review times and improved staff, review efficiency. So this slide provides, a visual representation of from the applicant's perspective.
We don't have a process at the moment. So this is just something staff came up with as far as a flowchart to kind of depict how convoluted the current process is. There's clearly no, there's multiple entry points. There's multiple exit points. There's nothing that's streamlined. You can either come through our zoning, counter, you can go through building, you can go to BTR, you can provide you can give us a call. And so there's not one message, there's just no one cohesive message. So part of this, certificate of use process, if directed, to move forward is we'll have a collaboration and coordination with urban design and planning, our building division, business tax office and zoning. The urban design and planning
How long is this going to take?
The entire review process? Yeah. So at the moment, we haven't had the luxury of finding out how long it could potentially take. But in any given, you know, scenario, I don't I don't foresee. And once we get direction on and actually get this done, I don't foresee something like this taking longer than a week or two to get done.
A week or two? Correct. We've got to shave that down from two to a few days, Anthony, because the person is entering into a lease agreement and value creating red tape.
So typically speaking, it would happen much faster than that, but we do have complicated projects that have restrictions, zoning districts that have restrictions. So to do the research and to come up with the material so that they have a complete document might take a little time in some situations. But I think we can trim it down a little bit.
So is artificial intelligence appropriate application here?
That is something that artificial intelligence could help with. I don't think we're quite at that stage yet, but we are experimenting with AI in the city. We have copilot in certain situations. This should be the perfect thing.
Staff is being
trained for. So as we get more fluent in AI, we think we can really kind of get those into these processes to help slim them down from a time perspective.
Okay. Thank you. Didn't mean to interrupt you. I just
just yes. I'm sorry, Anthony. In the opposite direction of what mayor has just asked, right now, if someone comes to us and they are already in and then they discover they need this type of a review, how long does that take right now?
It's it's all over the map. It's kind of everywhere. I I would say that depending on who they come and speak to first, it could take weeks, like weeks and weeks because they just didn't talk to the right person. Part of this effort is to make it mandatory so that this happens beforehand so that we can truncate that as much as possible.
All right. Thank you for that And
I think important to, with that question is anybody that comes in to open up a business or apply for a permit or whatever the case may be, internally, they do have to, perform their due diligence regardless. This is just something that we're actually going to solidify, so that they have an actual process to go through with us. So as I mentioned, there'll be coordination with several divisions, urban design and planning, building business tax, and zoning. The urban design and planning division will review the, submission to ensure that the use is permitted and that the parking is adequate. The building divisions review will take a look at it just to verify if it's going be a building change of use or if it will be a change of use required, through urban design and planning, amongst other things.
Business tax receipt, we'll take a look at it. They'll make sure that, what's the last recent, use, whether their existing license has been expired and if there's any additional, licenses that would be required. So once all this information is gathered internally, the, zoning administrator or his designee will take a look at all this information and make a determination on whether or not a certificate of use can be issued. So contrary to the first slide that was provided, this would be the proposed, certificate of use process. This provides a great representation, a visual representation of what the proposed use could be.
This one is much more streamlined, much more cohesive. There's a clear entry point and there's a clear exit point. And at the end of the day, I think most important is that they'll receive a definitive answer in a timely manner as well. As mentioned, if, director move forward with this initiative, staff will have to, amend the Code of Ordinances Section 15 in order to establish purpose or definitions, application, a minimal fee and exemptions process, insurance and enhancement as well. Staff reached out to approximately 70 municipalities in order to gather some information on how they work on their certificate of use process as well as get some insights on the fees that they're assessing.
Staff came up with a minimum fee of approximately $230.5 And if you can look through the chart, you'll see that it's either in line with other municipalities or less than what they are assessing. So in addition to us reaching out to other municipalities, staff did conduct a couple of presentations with the Economic Development Advisory Board as well as the Budget Advisory Board with both recommending that staff move forward with this in addition to the business advisory board the budget advisory board, with their recommendation that we begin a one year pilot program. And if directed to move forward, staff would create a robust public outreach. We would go ahead and make changes to DSD's website as well as business tax office. We post flyers on DSD's building and we would share with groups such as the Chamber of Commerce.
And, kind of one of the most important ones is we'd reach out to stakeholders such as businesses, general contractors, design professionals and, permit runners as well. So that concludes my presentations. I'll be here if you guys have any questions.
All right. Great. Thank you so much. Anyone from the commission have any questions? Okay. We have a couple of people who sign
up to
speak. Is Peggy Messenslager here? Nope. And Bill, just for questions, right? Okay. All right. So I guess that's it. So thank you so much. Do you have anything you would like to conclude with?
Just if there's consensus for us to move forward, we can bring it back to you for consideration.
See what you can do to minimize the time frame within which this is done.
We'll do that. We'll, try to nail down more specific language as well as some of the numbers that we have that are very preliminary, but we'll bring it back.
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
So I just want to note that if our attempt to reduce the time line impacts the cost recovery estimate, can you please highlight that?
Absolutely. Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay. Moving on to Business two, outdoor event ordinance presentation, Parks and Recreation.
Mayor, that item from was the agenda.
I'm sorry. Okay. Moving on to Business three. This is our last item on the agenda. City Hall update overview of proposed interim agreement term sheet. City Manager.
Thank you, Mayor and Commissioners. So since the direction to staff to negotiate the agreement for the City Hall project back in December 2025, we have met with the developer team multiple times per week beginning the first week in January. We have been negotiating on several fronts in order to come to the commission today with a proposed term sheet that will inform the interim agreement. We anticipate that between that December 2 date and the time that we come back to the commission with a draft interim agreement, it will be about April. And so that's about a four month period that we've been working on this both internally and with the developer.
We have before you for consideration a term sheet, and that term sheet speaks to a summary of the principal business terms with a focus on the predevelopment phase of the project. This term sheet and the feedback that we are seeking will inform us as we continue to negotiate with the developer so that we can come back with that interim agreement in April. So that's what it is. What it isn't, it isn't an agreement. So you'll see in the backup that it somewhat looks like an agreement, but it is a nonbinding document that outlines some of the terms that we have already discussed with the developer and we are already having agreement on.
However
It sounds it looks like it's a working paper.
I guess you could say
that. It's an outline of a basis upon which you intend to move forward.
Absolutely. Okay.
Yes. That's how I read it. I thought it was very comprehensive. You did a great job. I think it's really going to move us forward. I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you, but I don't no one saw it as an agreement, even those called agreement.
So there are several terms that still need to be negotiated and our legal team led by Attorney McCartney will go through some of those terms. But remediation responsibility, budget and milestone schedule, allowable predevelopment expenses, developer default, city default, developer fee, value of step in rights and business participation. Those are just some of the high level topics that we still will be working through as we continue to meet with the developer. This project has truly been an all hands on deck project. Every single one of your charter officers are participating with this project.
We have various working groups. We have a business working group, legal, finance, operations, outreach, design build, each headed by a different member of our Citi team. On the business working group, I am the chair for that group. On the legal working group, Attorney McCartney leads that group. Quentin Pugh is our design build chair Yvette Matthews, our finance chair Ben Rogers, Operations and Kevin Pulido, Outreach.
On the developers' team, they have also identified their own working groups with the same categories. And each of these working groups, both from the city side and the developer side, come together weekly to discuss areas of concern and consideration for this project. We are very dedicated to advancing the City Hall project first by getting your feedback today on the term sheet. Then through the interim agreement, we would also be negotiating with the blessing of the commission. We would continue with negotiations toward a comprehensive agreement.
We will be bringing to the commission a term sheet for the comprehensive agreement as well. We took direction from the commission in wanting to have various touch points for the public to provide input, and Kevin Palito will speak to that momentarily. But this term sheet gives the public an opportunity to identify where we are in terms of the negotiation process and to provide any feedback to you as you consider the various steps along the way. At this time, I want to recognize those presenters who will be coming to the podium today. Sherry McCartney, City Attorney, she will be presenting from her seat Ben Rogers, Assistant City Manager Yvette Matthews, Quentin Pugh, Kevin Pulido Eric Singer, Outside Counsel Bills and Somberg Alex Barrett from Plenary and Cody Kice, CORE Construction.
Each will play a role in the presentation today, and we're looking forward to hearing that feedback from the commission and identifying any opportunities to modify the terms so that we can come back with that finalized interim agreement for your consideration.
Before you begin, could I ask that we take a few minute break? I don't want to miss anything. I just would like to take like a five minute break. I know it's going to be very comprehensive and I don't want to miss anything. All right.
So let's just take a five minute break, okay? Of
very company. And And Kevin Palito, pleased strategic communications director. So just to pick up, where we just left off, we this project, it's huge component about public outreach, transparency, and staying connected with our community. So there's gonna be different touch points. Currently, if you go to spotlightftl.com that you see on the slide in front of you, there, you have a really comprehensive list of all the different public outreach that has been done.
There's different documents that you could download, from the proposals themselves to a summary of the public outreach that has been done, to date. Going forward, we have great cooperation from the design team with CORE and Preliminary, who I'm about to introduce in a second. And there is a desire where we would like to work with all the different HOA community groups, that would like a meeting or a team is willing and able to go to the different, homeowners association meetings. One item that we are discussing is to work through the council and have a kickoff meeting at one of the future council meetings to go over the project of where we are today. Then you're gonna go ahead and see design related public meetings that's gonna take place at the conceptual 3060% design.
And, of course, we're gonna be engaging our media partners throughout the way to coordinate, the different needs, going forward and to make sure there's some great feedback on the project. I'm going to call up Alex Barrett and Cody from Core and Plenary, and they're going to walk us through the different milestones on the next slide.
Good afternoon. We're very excited to be here in this capacity. I'm Alex Barrett, Vice President with Plenary, who's the lead developer for Fort Lauderdale City Hall Partners. Cody, I'll walk you
through And I'm Cody Keese, the President of Core Construction.
So we're here just to walk you quickly through
know you're a little taller.
Yes, pull that. Cody really drags us down for a bad combo. Should have a children's mic and an adult's mic. So just to echo what the city manager said, we've had a very collaborative process so far. We've come a long way in the one months point since we kicked this process off. And here's a quick milestone schedule for all that's ahead of us. So as was mentioned, we're aiming to sign an interim agreement that mirrors the term sheet that you have before you sometime in April. We're currently at work, though. I want that to be clear. While we're negotiating the agreement, we have already kicked off all of our technical working groups.
So the programming phase is well underway, and that will help lead to a May completion of the programming element of the design phase. And that will lead to a site plan approval in September, followed by a guaranteed maximum price in October. So by the October, you will have a full committed price, not just of the construction element, but also the long term operations and maintenance of the facility, financing, all elements of the project, will be fixed by the October. And if all goes well, that will lead to a signing of the comprehensive agreement in November, followed by financial close in December, all of that teeing up a start of construction in early 'twenty seven.
Thanks, Alex. So looking to have shovels in the ground if everything should go well by January 2027. And keeping with the milestone schedule we provided during the presentation, we're still on track for the 2028 to have the commission chambers be substantially completed, where people would be able to move in and start using the commission chambers, while the tower, will be continued, to be completed until 2029 to have the entire project wrapped up and turned over and the city fully moved
questions? There being none, thank
you. Good
afternoon, Mayor and Commissioner Ben Rogers. This is the City Manager. I'm going to focus on kind of the priorities that we have right now. We're looking at the space programming, site conditions and the project negotiations. All these things are dovetailing and interwoven together to move the project forward.
The first one on space programming, you're going to hear a little bit more about it from Quentin as he talks about some of the scopes of the term sheet. But I think the biggest thing is when we went through the, unsolicited proposal, we heard feedback from the commission on rightsizing the building, bringing some of the elements down. And we've so already started that process, and we've got it down to about 220,000, 230,000 square feet at this point. And we're utilizing the subject matter expertise from, the development team, their architects, their engineers to again continue that process. And we're doing that through tenant engagement.
So I know that the project team has reached out to each elected official, each charter officer, and each department head to talk through the space program you need with them so that way we can put together the final program and build the right sized building. The second thing, site conditions. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the development of City Hall. It's remediating the current site. So when we demolished the City Hall Building, there was a generator that fed an emergency, generator and there was some contamination associated with that diesel tank.
And so there are some site conditions that we are fully aware of. We've done all of the reporting process up to this point. We have a scope of work that the city was getting ready to engage on. But what we're going to be seeking is to transfer that duty or that responsibility to the developer as part of the interim agreement to remediate the site. And one of the reasons we're doing that is because that remediation will take a long period of time.
While the work itself is relatively quick and easy, there are monitoring, that will go on for about twelve, sixteen, eighteen months depending on the reporting requirements. And so we want to make sure that the developer is the one doing that and monitoring it. And so if there are any conflicts, challenges or needs to modify anything, they are in the sole driver seat of that process. Stop right there. Shouldn't this have
been going on all this time? It has been.
It has been. Yes.
So we've done the boring samples. We have monitoring wells in the ground right now. We had to get all of the data. We've been working with the regulatory agencies on that. And now that we have all of that information, we were ready to move forward as a city to deliver this, but the timing worked out where it can be transferred to the developer to perform.
Okay. But comprehensive agreement is I mean, the comprehensive agreement is still going to be several months away. And is that delaying the remediation efforts that you say are going to be a long term project?
And so what we're trying to do is incorporate in the interim agreement so that there would be a scope of work that would survive the interim agreement and it would be specifically focused on the remediation of the existing condition.
Right. Thank you. Then question on the building size. So it sounds like we're aiming towards 220,000 square feet?
So that's what we have it down to at this point in time. Staff did some internal exercises, had some tenant engagement, and that's where we're at. We're continuing to find efficiencies with the development team and with Quentin's effort on meeting with all the different stakeholders. I think that number will change again, but right now, we're in that ballpark.
And what percent of total city staff or give me a number of people or how do what are we who will be housed in there?
And that's what we're still building out as a space program as part of the supplement information package. I think we had 700, employees that were envisioned to go here. But as we're conducting these interviews with department heads, as we're meeting with different stakeholders, we're going to finalize that and bring forth that space program that was identified in the milestones sometime in May.
Okay.
Thanks. But in the meantime, I think each of us will be asked what would be an ideal amount of square footage that will be necessary for each commissioner and staff and incorporate that in the total package.
That's correct. I believe some of you have already met with the development team and then I think there's a couple that still are scheduled for later this month.
Okay, great.
And then the last thing, as the manager said, project negotiations, it's multifaceted. It's not just get the term sheet done. It's work on the term sheet, also focus on the interim agreement. While the interim agreement is underway, we're going to be focusing on the comprehensive agreement term sheet and eventually bring a comprehensive agreement to the commission. So, there's multiple conversations going on, different negotiations at different points in time. But just want to again relate to the commission that it's all moving forward simultaneously with all these working groups and all these different lenses. And so what I'm going to do at this time is turn it over to the city attorney, who's going to talk a little bit about the term sheet and the interim agreement and then start talking about some of the term sheet components.
Great. Thank you so much. Sherry? You can do it from your seat if
you want. You can do
it from your seat if you want.
I'm having technical difficulties, so thought I'd blow up here and go from here. Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. So today, you'll be presented with the term sheet, and the term sheet relates specifically to the interim agreement. So 30,000 feet, the interim agreement is that which gives us the opportunity to assess the project, gives the developer the opportunity to assess it from a site perspective, engineering, finance, and costs so that we could ultimately get to a GMP. And so we have developed the term sheet to enter into that agreement.
It is the link between, the time period when we're doing development predevelopment activities and the ultimate comprehensive agreement. I like to think of the interim agreement as dating and the comprehensive agreement as marriage. So on that note, I am going to introduce Mr. Eric Singer, who, as you know, has been engaged to represent us and guide us through this P3 process. He's done an amazing job. And he will go over the term sheet with you and answer any questions you have.
Thank you. Great. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Eric Singer with Bills and Somberg. I'm outside P3 Council to the city. And I'm just going to share some highlights of the interim agreement term sheet that's part of your package today. So, manager already shared that this is nonbinding.
This is really just, the CliffsNotes version of what the, ultimate interim agreement is going to be, just the material points we've been discussing so far. You'll see that the counterparty is, Fort Lauderdale City Hall Partners LLC. They formed a special purpose entity to develop the project, which is completely standard and, in fact, required for financing purposes. Project site, you know well. Local and small business considerations will be fleshed out in the final interim agreement that comes before you.
And there's going to be two phases of local and small business, considerations. First will be participation during the interim agreement process, which is primarily a design and engineering process, as the city attorney just shared with you. And then second, what will be in the comprehensive agreement itself for the, actual construction of the project. So there will be, measures and participation requirements for both of those phases.
Sorry. Is that for like subcontractors or what does that mean? Exactly.
So for the design, it would be sub consultants, to the architects, the engineers. And for the construction, it would subcontractors, correct.
Okay. Are we exploring, possible preferences for minority owned businesses and veteran owned?
We are. So, our expectation is that attached to the interim agreement will be a fully flushed out plan. But both of those have been, discussed as as something we're looking at.
Great. Thanks.
And by the way,
if that legislation passes in Tallahassee, we would have to erase that, wouldn't we?
Well, he doesn't know the answer to
I believe I believe we would have to.
Commissioner, there there are goals that we can use, and and as a standard goals as opposed to hard numbers, and and I think that would work.
That would work.
And all of these would be voluntary proffers by the developer. So not something that we would be dictating through the agreement, but that the developer is proposing on a voluntary basis, but that we would, be looking at the contract as a way to monitor that.
Thank you.
All right. So, term of the interim agreement, I think you heard in the time line that we're expecting around nine months to be able to get to a guaranteed maximum price and a final comprehensive agreement. We have a twelve month term for the interim agreement, just to build in some time to, if more time is required, to hammer out the details, to add the legislative process to approve the comprehensive agreement. And if more time is necessary, we have an additional twelve months of mutual extension. So the interim agreement could go for as long as twenty four months.
You heard that part of the process is diligence on the site. Sometimes diligence results in more diligence. And so we need to build in some time just to account for unforeseen diligence activities and resulting changes to the design. And, once we have a final executed comprehensive agreement, the interim agreement goes away. Purpose.
All right. So, you have heard a lot about the work streams in order to move this project forward. And, there's been a lot of meetings, a lot of activity. You saw the time line for getting this project, out of the ground and completed. Part of my job as lawyer is to, dump the bucket of cold water on everything everyone and talk about what what if things go wrong.
And so that's where we get to the the termination section here. So, throughout the term of the interim agreement, the city will at all times be able to terminate the project for its convenience. So until we get to the the marriage of the comprehensive agreement using the city attorney's analogy, the city will will have the right to move in a different direction if if it if it desires.
Except city termination reimbursement to developer plus a developer fee. So normally when you break off an engagement, you're not paying people to go away. I've been divorced. I've paid somebody to leave in that context, but I've never paid like a girlfriend to go away.
So I I think you have discovered Times have changed. Yeah. The
law has changed but that's besides
the But
did that but did that girlfriend pay?
Let's move on. I I might pivot to a different analogy to, to avoid that that that discussion, but but it I I think the one thing to keep in mind for the reimbursement is that the developer is going to be designing and engineering the city hall for the city. And if the city decides to move in a different direction, the city will, own all of that work product. And so the reimbursement is is not to allow the developer to profit or anything like that. It's really to reimburse them for their actual out of pocket expenses. No, you've got
profit. I'm sorry, no, I'm sorry. You have profit in there. You've got 5% developer fee. That's profit. So they are making a profit. If they were just getting reimbursed for their expenses, I would agree with you, but there is profit in there. So I don't I'm not
sure I would characterize the developer fee as profit. So that's really meant to capture their overhead. And I think 5% is a pretty standard percentage for that.
So their allowable expenses don't include overhead?
There's a portion of costs that are for certain internal professional time, but it's not a full compensation. I'm not sure I would characterize the 5% as profit.
All right. Typically, I look at construction costs, I've done construction auditing, developer fee usually includes profit. What
is the developer fee? Like what's the dollar amount of that?
So it's 5% on whatever has been expended. And so it really depends, when the termination takes place and, how far along they are in the process. So if you were to get all the way to the end of the line, where they have buildable plans and then the city pulls the plug, I believe the maximum budget they've shared, which is still being vetted, is in the teens of millions, but that's going to come in the final interim agreement. If you were to pull the plug much earlier, it would be a much smaller number. So it's 5% of the total, but that's a sliding scale depending on where we are in the process.
5% of the total they have spent?
Yes, of allowable expenses. So, there'll be a maximum for each line item. There'll be a maximum cost that the city is responsible for. And so they can't exceed that, but whatever they have spent up to that cap in each category, yes.
So they get 100% of their expenses and then 5% of the 100%?
Correct. If exactly, yes. So
Eric alluded to a number in the teens. So we've been provided with some preliminary information as to what it might cost for those allowable predevelopment expenses. We're still working through that to see what is reasonable. We're looking at the overall target project budget of $200,000,000 as discussed by the city commission at the conference workshop about priorities. And we're looking to see what is a reasonable estimate of what those predevelopment expenditures should be.
That will guide us toward what the potential developer fee would be at the 5%. Now all of this is subject to continued negotiations and discussions. So the feedback that you're providing as to the developer fee would be incorporated as we continue to sit with the developer. So right now, we're estimating based on what the developer has preliminarily provided to us that number in the teens is close to $18,000,000 If we look at an overall project budget, which they have the developer has not yet put together for both the interim and the comprehensive agreement, but if we're looking at that $200,000,000 target budget, and let's say we estimated that a 6% to 8% cost for the predevelopment expenses or soft cost planning, administrative fees, that would put us anywhere between $1,216,000,000 dollars Now that's a little bit different than what we've already seen, but we're continuing to have those discussions as to what the overall cost should be during the interim phase. And then we will identify what that developer fee would be at the 5%.
I'm still not tracking. At what point would that $18,000,000 be reached?
So throughout the term of the interim agreement, the developer will be expending dollars on plans, designs, everything leading up to being able to start construction under the comprehensive agreement. And so we have not yet identified the time line for the milestones. So in my initial comments, I went through maybe eight things that are still left to be fine tuned for the interim agreement. And one of those were the budget and another was the milestone schedule. So that still needs to be talked through with the developer so that we can estimate at what point we feel that these expenditures would take place.
They've given us a preliminary, I guess, burn rate or schedule for when they think some of these costs might be incurred, but we have not yet finalized that aspect of the agreement. But it would be an attachment or an exhibit to the interim agreement once we do have that information mutually agreed upon by the parties.
Okay. So in other words, from April 2026 when the interim agreement would be possibly entered into until November 2026 when the comprehensive agreement would be entered into possibly per the milestones, the allowable expenses during that period from April to November would be 100% reimbursed if there is a termination. Is that right? Yes.
And there's different types of terminations that really dictate how the reimbursements or payments would work. And Eric will go through the different types of termination scenarios and what that would mean for the city and for the developer.
Right. So I don't if we're allowing if we're reimbursing 100% of their expenses, I don't think we should be giving them another 5% of the 100%.
Well, let me just ask a question then. The counter to that would be is, would we expect someone to work for a year at cost? Is that fair? Again, this is not my business, Eric. This is your business. Is that the reason why there is a fee there? Because we're saying, well, if everything goes down the tubes, we understand that for eleven months or just a year or whatever that is until the comprehensive that we don't expect you to be working for cost.
Yeah. I Just cost.
Just cost. Right. I mean I don't is that why that fee is typically there? I mean, this standard? Is that help me understand why that fee is there, And if it is standard, and if that is again, I'm just simplifying this. This is not my lane, but it seems to me that we're just saying we recognize that you've got these expenses, but you've also worked for a year and, like, so you just get your expenses, that cost and that's Yes.
I think it's recognizing that, their out of pocket expenses are not why they are here to be our partner. They're here to deliver the project. And, the out of pocket expenses does not make them whole for their executive time, for their effort, to deliver this project to get it to the finish line where they're able to start construction. And, I would say the 5% developer fee is certainly in the range of what I see for developer fees. And in this case, I think it's fair to say that the flexibility that the city, is requesting in terms of, how the project is financed, either developer city financed, and, the city's ability to step in and take over the architect and engineering contracts and the ability to terminate for convenience all the way until the very end, I'd say the city is getting more flexibility than is customary.
And so, in that context, the 5% developer fee, which, again, I think is in the range of market for a developer fee, certainly doesn't offend me at all and I think is consistent with the risk structure we're creating here.
I just want That's a good point though because let's back up on that because this isn't an RFP. This is a P3. This is all about risk transfer. That's the risk I expect them to take. Again, transfer is a hallmark of a P3. You take on risk as the private sector entity in this relationship, okay. If this was a straightforward RFP, design build, I would concede that point, but it's not. It's a P3, risk transfer, risk transfer to the private sector. They are taking on the risk that they're going to be delivering a product that we're going to be happy with at the end of this year long process. So I'm not inclined to agree with you on that that they're entitled to a developer fee.
They'll be reimbursed their costs out of pocket, but they take on a risk that they're gonna be able to deliver a product that we're gonna be happy with.
I don't think that's what the risk free means.
I Well, does for me. I'm not sure what risk they're taking on.
I I don't think risk free means that we expect anyone to work for a year for free. I I I I'm just having I I wanna be fair on both sides here. So I I mean, again, you know better than I because you know what else is going into this in terms of, like, you just said the executive time to work. Because basically, without that fee, we're saying you need to work for a year for free.
Yes. I think that the of the concept of risk transfer is that risks that the developer can control, are transferred to the developer. And what we're talking about for this developer fee is the narrow instance where the city, for no reason at all, any reason or no reason at all, decides to cancel the project and take all of the work product that the developer did for us. So that's not really a risk that they can control and and so I Or think that's really
be responsible
for it. But I think I think that's unrealistic because if we back out of this, it's going to be because the building is unbuildable or unaffordable. It's not going to be because we don't like the builder. So if they come up with a product that is unworkable for us or unaffordable for us, we're not going to build it. We're not going to take those plans and say, hey, these are great set of plans. I'm going go and turn around and go to somebody else and say, hey guys, would you do this for me? That that scenario is about as unrealistic a scenario as I could possibly imagine.
So that's not the risk we're talking about. The risk we're talking about is that property tax reform passes and guess what, we can't afford the building anymore and we're not going to do it, in which case we all lose, right? So that's a different scenario.
So I I think it's it's a very good observation that there's a number of different scenarios where, the city may elect not to move forward with this project. We've been focusing on one scenario where the city terminates for convenience. There's we also have this termination for impasse concept. So I think where you started is it's too expensive or the design doesn't work for us. We have the ability to raise that early in the process.
We're not kind of waiting all the way to the end. And, if we identify a material point like the cost of the project and we're not able to work through it in thirty days, then we can terminate and not pay the developer fee. So the developer fee is really the scenario where I think you've indicated is probably unlikely, or at least it may not be what you're thinking is the likely scenario, but it's a scenario that, the developer has indicated that they wish to protect against, that sort of the city for no reason and even using your example, hire another developer or deliver the same project but a different way. And so that's really where that very narrow scenario where that comes into play.
So before we go any further, this is not our first time using an unsolicited proposal relationship to build something for the city. And I'd like to know, is this you may not know the answer right now, but I'd like whatever we've done in the past to be consistent with what we're doing today. Because for example, we did a P3 for part of the development of aquatic center. I'd like to know what the reimbursement program was there for city termination or impasse or any of the other elements of termination. Whatever it is, let's just make it consistent because that's been the policy of the city and it shouldn't change for this project either.
So let's just I mean, we don't have to make this decision today because we're not voting on anything, but just whatever to keep the city consistent in the policy of this practice in the past, let's just replicate that policy in this particular project.
So Meyer, we can do some due diligence on what we've done in the past. I think some of the P3s that we've done are a little bit different in terms of the revenue opportunity that comes from them. And so there are different considerations. There's different risk factors. And so I want to take into account that this particular project would not result in a revenue stream for the city. And I think that should be accounted for in the way that we look at the overall provisions for the project and for the relationship.
All right. Well, the Aquatic Center is not a revenue stream project. I mean, it was basically the portion that was an unsolicited proposal had to do with I believe it was the locker rooms and just a component, not the the pools or anything like that. So, let's just let's just move on from this, and if you can get back to us with that particular information, that would be helpful.
We have other examples too. City. There are other examples of What
are the categories of allowable expenses just broadly?
Broadly, design expenses is the big one. Does
design expenses, for example, include salary and manpower hours?
I'm not sure. I think I'd have to defer to one of the Sure.
So it probably does.
Because designing
is drawing, is working, It's not a
So it'd be whatever whatever their out of pocket was for those employees who design certain aspects of the building. Correct.
Right. Thank you, Mary. Exactly. So built within my business is the cost of my time just as the cost of their time in designing, right? Built within the cost of that work is intellectual property, skills Built so within that in a business is profit.
So in other words, when you have salary that you pay to a team member, they don't that salary is not just covering you understand what I'm saying? Not just to understand includes a profit. So in other words, this is not just the in other words, the allowable expenses include a degree of profit for the entity.
So I I think that's that's a very fair point when we're talking about so so the work is being performed by a number of consultants, and they're going to be paid for their work performed, and that payment will be all the profit that they're going to get out of it. You also have a developer, who's not who who's really in a different bucket. You know, the the developer is not the architect. The developer is not the engineer. And without the developer fee, what are they getting paid anything or or or not?
Typically, no. But I think that's something I think, Steph and I have heard loud and clear that we have some homework to do on this.
Got it. Great. Thank you.
Okay. Please proceed. So just a couple other buckets of, termination and reimbursement. First ninety days will be developers' due diligence period, where they will inspect the site, make sure that they're able to move forward in the works. And, they can terminate in that first ninety days.
Nothing is, paid to them if they terminate in the first ninety days. But that's sort of their free look period. After that, they're obligated to meet certain deliverables and move forward with the project. There's also the possibility of termination if the developer fails to meet a milestone, or we get to the end of the road at the end of the twelve months, we need more time and the developer doesn't want to give us more time, which is treated the same way, in which case the developer would be reimbursed 50% of the design expenses, 0% of the nondesign expenses. And you asked about the bucket commissioner, Sorenson, but there's also costs associated with their financing, their cost to negotiate the agreements with their investors and lenders, and that's a separate bucket of expenses as well.
It's also interesting in this proposal, right, the impasse developer termination, none of those include a 5%
And able to do
that.
And just for context, so you can sort of understand a little bit about some of the discussions that we've had. There was a point at which we were at a 20% developer fee in the conversation. And we've looked at other opportunities, including through Step and Rides that Eric will discuss later. So just know that we have been looking at this from a lot of different perspectives, and, we felt that it was fair and appropriate to have that 5% developer fee. But we also are looking for certain protections in other areas, and that's how we found the balance. Okay.
And then, last last bucket of of termination is we reached the end of the the road, and we just we can't we can't get to an agreement. And it's nobody's fault, and nobody has defaulted and the city is not terminating for convenience, but we just we can't get the deal done. And that's a case where, there is a shared risk, where so the developer would, be reimbursed 100 of the design expenses, 50% of other expenses. And the logic behind it is both parties need to work together to reach a final agreement, and there's some shared pain if that doesn't happen. And last point I'll mention, the manager just alluded to, is we will have step in rights, meaning that we can take over directly their design contracts and require the designers to complete the project if the agreement terminates for a developer default or if we terminate for convenience early in the process before making the decision as to how it's going to be financed.
The sort of the, mechanics around the termination for convenience have yet to be worked out. That's sort of a key point remaining in negotiations.
Okay. Does that conclude your presentation?
That concludes my presentation. Okay. Who's next?
City manager.
So we have Quentin Pugh, assistant city manager, to discuss some of the design build considerations.
Okay.
Could I also just ask one question? So has our has Jacobs been involved with this at all? What what are we using them for at this stage of the evolution?
So Jacobs will be working with the design build working group on all the elements related to space programming, architectural services, engineering services, making sure that we are, within the framework for what is appropriate, based on a Class A product.
none of the stuff at this point as it relates to the term sheet or anything else?
Not at this point. So Jacobs is being engaged as we further define and refine the space plan.
Okay. And then I have another question. So there was one other item in here and it had to do with the commitment of the minimum of 7.5 of the capital requirement of the project from equity sub debt placed by the developer or the event the city elects to issue debt for the project, the commitment of 10% of the capital requirement of the project, which then has a maximum rate of return of 11.5% on the developer's equity in the project?
Yvette Mathis
Why are we doing that?
So thank you for that question. Yvette is going to speak to some of
the finance considerations. You jumped ahead for us, commissioner. So really
I just went from Page four to Page six.
Yes. So really, the project financing section is really intended to be our initial framework for the discussions that we're having with the developer. This is also what we're using for the financial modeling that we're doing with our financial advisor. It's intended to provide the flexibility to negotiate and start as a negotiating point. So what you'll notice is that it's up to 11.5%, as their IRR for this project. And the reason we use the
term Doesn't doesn't say that.
It says a maximum rate of Yeah. Doesn't say up to.
Right. It
says a maximum rate
of The maximum would be 11 and a half, which means that we have the ability to negotiate Okay. An amount less than that. Similar to if we still have to make a decision on how we're financing the project, when the developer presented to you all, they presented a nonprofit mechanism that they would use Right.
There's a five zero one c three pass through entity Correct. Okay.
As we started digging into that, we started asking questions about the bond ratings that those entities receive, so that we could compare it to our bond ratings, the interest rates that they would be receiving so we could compare that to our interest rates. And really, it provided the opportunity for us to create a complete look at what the cost would be if we were to choose that mechanism. We have not made a final decision yet. We are still, completing our modeling, but you can rest assured that all of that is going into the discussions that we're having with the developer. We talk a lot about with mechanism, it's usually a higher interest rate and what that looks like compared to the city issuing the debt ourselves.
So, you know, we have a very strong team, including the budget team, our city auditor. All of us are digging in, asking those questions to our financial advisers, as well as looking at the other projects that they've done and looking at the rates of return that they've received on other projects so we can make sure that we are, moving in a very competitive direction.
All right. Because I am concerned if I'm looking at 10% of the capital requirement and it's a $200,000,000 minimum, you're talking $20,000,000 and they're getting 11.5% on that. That's that's pretty good. I'm happy to like invest alongside them because I'm not getting 11 and a half percent of my T bills.
Absolutely. So
I just want so we have so I I just wanna make sure I understand. Is that is that 10% capital requirement the requirement? Can we finance the entirety of this project or are we obligated to take an equity investment from them in this project and help me understand?
So one
of the things we're trying to be very cognizant of is the developers business model. So they came to us with a proposal that the city commission has decided to advance. And so part of that proposal, they were very clear in that they would need to have equity in this project. So what we're trying to do is ensure that as we look at the equity that was proposed, we're also looking at that return that they would receive from that equity so that we're minimizing the difference between what our cost of capital normally would be versus the equity that the developer would be
receiving in the project.
So as you run those numbers, I'd like to know what that differential is costing us?
Absolutely, absolutely.
Okay, so that's more profit to the developer team that's coming out of the taxpayer. So I want to know how much extra they're making on the financing side of this because at the end of the day, P3s make more money for the financing team than they actually do for the construction team. That's why these things get promoted all the time by the Wall Street guys. That's typically who's behind P3s. In case people aren't really quite sure about this, This is usually some guys from where I used to work up on Wall Street that promote these because it's where they make all their money is on financing. So, I just want to know how much the financing team makes on this because the taxpayers wind up paying for it. Thank you.
You're welcome.
Good afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Quentin Pugh, assistant city manager. During the predevelopment phase, the city controls both the schedule and the budget. Nothing moves forward without city approval. City staff and the developers team have been working collaboratively to translate department and commission space needs into a practical buildable plan.
This includes individual interviews with, department leadership, chartered officials, and members of the city commission, as well as their staff, about the functional space planning, for the building as well as the chambers, site. We're also doing site visits to key areas such as the wellness center and other, areas throughout the city and rightsizing the building to reflect actual operational needs that also include long term flexibility. Once the space programming has been completed, the developers, architects and engineers then decide how the building will be constructed safely, efficiently and to code. We want to conduct due diligence early so that we can avoid surprises, manage the risk, as well as confirm the site is ready for construction. Through the early access agreement, the city, plans to direct the developer, to immediately initiate site inspections, geotechnical work, environmental reviews, and surveys, all subject to city approval and the budget.
Site remediation was actually covered by mister Rogers early on. The only thing I would add is that cleanup remains mandatory by the developer even if the agreement ends, protecting the city from environmental liability. The proposed interim agreement also tightly controls cost where the city approves the budget and monthly expenses. The developer backs the work with a $350,000 line of credit and all predevelopment costs are included in the total project costs upon execution of the comprehensive agreement. Through the design build working group, the developer has already been working very closely with the city's department of development services on zoning requirements.
Building on that work, the developer will develop the conceptual plan, for the city review and approval that incorporates the space programming work that we're doing, proven security standards and best practices. If there's no questions for me, I will
Does anyone have any questions, Quentin? There being none, thank you.
I'll go ahead and turn it over to the manager.
So I'd just like to recap on some of the feedback that we've received thus far. Mayor, you asked for staff to do some research on what we've done on prior P3s in terms of the developer fee and any maybe any other financial considerations. Vice Mayor Herbs, you've asked for us to look into how much the financing group would make on this project and what that differential is?
So the differential between whether we were to finance it in its entirety versus this equity component at 11.5%.
Okay. And there was general feedback on the allowable expenses. I think, Commissioner Sorenson, you were asking for a little bit of detail. I wanted
an itemized list of what are considered allowable expenses. I think we all want to know that.
And the equity contribution, the rate of return, I think Vice Mayor Herbst, you were interested in looking at that as well. I just want to make sure I
And yes, I think you're heading the right direction, and I want to look at eliminating the developer fee for termination. For termination.
Until we get until I think we need to know a little bit more about what that represents.
Yes, that's fair.
Did that cover or summarize all the feedback? Well, so going forward, we plan to enter into an early access agreement so that the developer can go ahead and do a site survey as well as to get some geotechnical work started. We don't want to delay some of the milestones of the project, so we want to enter into a separate agreement while we're negotiating the interim agreement. The city team as well as the developer team will continue to work on the space plan. And I think all of you have been engaged at this point.
Maybe you haven't had your individual meetings, but we're also continuing to meet with department heads and future users to identify where we can refine the space plan. We anticipate being able to come back to this commission in April, again, with that interim agreement. We are hopeful that if you have any additional feedback between now and then that you would share it with us. We will take all of the points of conversation today and all the requests for information into account as we meet with the developer. And I think that with outside counsel, we've been able to expedite this process significantly.
Again, we have from December through, proposed to come in April, that's a four month period to negotiate something that is truly substantial. And so I want you to know the amount of effort that each and every member of the team has put forward toward this project.
Thank you. We appreciate that. Three people have signed up to speak. Rusty Warren, followed by Nick Matthews, and then Merrill Nimano. Is there anyone who wishes to speak besides people from the development team? Okay.
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. My name is Rusty Warren. I'm the Co Founder and Co CEO of Ivy Realty, which I started thirty years ago with my business partner, Anthony DiTomaso, who you may be familiar with. Over the past three decades, we've acquired and managed more than 25,000,000 square feet of commercial real estate in nine states, and we've been investing in Fort Lauderdale since 2010, first with the Yachting Promotions Logistics Center, then 1 East Broward, where we put up the iconic number one and help beautify Ivy Stranahan Park and work with the city to do so.
And then in 2011, we acquired Tower 101 sorry, 2016. We've been successfully advocating for the city for the past fifteen years, and we brought numerous tenants downtown: Becker and Polykov, Kemet, Revenir, Ryan Transport and Quest. Tower 101 is a first class professionally managed building and the City of Fort Lauderdale is already a tenant. They're a partner of ours. We like working with you very much and I think you guys have been very happy with the quality
we're we're be we're considered as a future town hall and city hall. From the presentation today, it's the right size, 230,000 feet, the right layout, the right location and has infrastructure. This is not a concept. This is not a development. Those are very complicated.
This is an existing project. It's a real building that already works. And I haven't been involved with too many developments that follow a straight line, timing or budget wise. Tower 101 has variables fewer variables and a clear path to success. And the city can move at its own pace, consolidating without future disruption.
The financial impact is significant. And based on our numbers, we think north of $200,000,000 Further, the city would continue to own its existing site, which would be a productive asset for it to do other things that the city may have an agenda for. At any rate, we think it would be appraised in the 20,000,000 to $30,000,000 range. So today, all we're asking for, we're not asking for blind trust, We're asking just for some due diligence. Just take a breath, spend 30 to 45 days evaluating this idea.
We'll be an open book. We'll provide the appraisals, the engineering reports, work with you on the operating costs and look at side by side comparisons and let the facts and the numbers speak. We just think it's Please finish. Can We just think it's not too late for the city to do this. We're confident that the analysis will show that our proposal would be lower risk, lower cost, faster delivery and potentially a better value for Fort Lauderdale taxpayers. Thank you. Great. Thank you.
Nick Matthews?
Good afternoon, Mayor, and members of the City Commission. Nick Matthews with the Southern Group, on behalf of, Ivy Equities, I question. Question. That's
process or do anything or say anything negative about the great development team.
There's a some credible professionals on that team. Or It's not about that. I think it's kind of more recognition that there's actually this exciting opportunity. You've got an opportunity in parallel at the same time as you're going through a lot of this really complicated work. You have an opportunity to look at a project or piece of property on the same block.
And the one thing I've said kind of the moment we've been talking about this is, if I guess if there were more taxpayers here watching, they would agree. I think it's ever a bad time. It's never too late to look at something that could maybe save $200,000,000 I I just that opportunity doesn't come very often. The beautiful thing about taking a month or change or thirty days or whatever it is to engage, Rusty and his team is there's nothing in your p three process that says you can't look at something else at the same time. There's nothing in state law that says you can't entertain some additional information.
We think the the numbers are real. We think this is somewhere in the neighborhood of $200,000,000 conservatively that you could save over the life of a project. And that number doesn't even take into account the property you own now that you could monetize. I think that's a piece of the puzzle has been missing this entire time. Fort Lauderdale has a lot of office space.
They don't have a lot of raw land that can be monetized right now. That's what I think the opportunity cost there. I think that's a piece that has been missing in this puzzle is what you could do, what type of the return you could get there, whether you sold it, did a fifty or ninety nine year lease on there, what kind of revenue that could bring to the city and solve a lot of infrastructure needs or affordable housing or you name it around the city. You could have a revenue source on your own property, move in relatively seamless potentially into a property that connects to your parking garage at your own speed. You've already got folks there now that are enjoying their experience in the building.
Real quickly, just one of the highlights of this, the building passed its twenty five year, certification. It's never had a hurricane or storm related claim, and that's been through Irma, Ian and Milton. We've recently been appraised. So they've been through recent environmentals and appraisals and and and all these other types of things that Rusty and his team are willing to sit down with your folks and just look through. So, know, if we if we close with the analogy, we just want you to flirt with us a little bit as opposed to maybe engage in this conversation, have a find out really what the opportunity is on the block.
It seems like if if there's a chance that we're in the neighborhood of 200,000,000 of savings, it seems highly worth at least engaging at professional level to really understand that opportunity. And that's all we're asking for. We're not asking you to slow down or stop your engagement with these folks. It's to sit down with our folks and really take an opportunity to evaluate the opportunity.
Great. Thank you so much.
I have another question. Thanks, Nick. What would you all be willing to contribute monetarily to the due diligence effort if it was undertook?
Yes, certainly. I think Rusty and his team have already said, I know the number $25,000 has been thrown absolutely willing to contribute that if that's what it takes to get a consultant or engineers to look at it. Whatever it is, happy to do it. Yes. They'll they'll they'll contribute that, certainly.
Thanks. I just have a question. Didn't you submit during the process that we went through? Because I, at this point in time, I don't look at it as flirting. I look at it as we would be committing adultery. I I so I just need to know why you did not submit during that lengthy lengthy month by month by month by month process and why why now? Why now?
Commissioner Glassman, very fair question. I I I've I've been engaged recently. I wasn't involved kind of in that early process, but I do know that the the ownership team had multiple rounds of communication with city staff as far back as July. Sent in sent in information about the building, even a proposal. So so that option was was on the city staff's radar, for quite some time now. That's that's to be true. I don't I I I can get more information about that or from that up, but I know that I've I've talked to the guys. I've seen the emails to kind of confirm that that has happened. So the the
It doesn't answer his question. He there was a there was a there was a solicitation out there for unsolicited proposals, and you guys passed it up. You decided not to participate. And you then after the fact, you guys started to have meetings with city staff. And when you had the opportunity to participate at a time when we put it out to the street, what we're looking of we're looking for people to make proposals to us. And your client just decided to pass on it. And now after the eleventh hour, you think, oh, well, we got to stop everything now and look at your proposal.
Well, certainly, Mayor, thank you. I think the team probably thought that was the intent was a developer led proposal process. But I I would I would respectfully argue, I I don't think this is eleventh hour. I don't think we're committing adultery. You've got a lot of work to do for this process to become a reality. Mean, going to spend a lot
of money in the process because that's what it takes to keep going on this. And in good faith, we've committed the commission has committed itself with these folks to move forward on this and they're acting in good faith as well. And then all of a sudden, because you guys decide, oh, well, you want to unload your building, we're supposed to stop the process. You know, how does how does that make sense to us?
Well, respectfully, I don't think anyone is suggesting you stop your process. What I think what we're suggesting is, again, I I I'm not certain. I can't imagine a scenario where it is a bad idea to take some amount of city resources, a small amount that we would be willing to reimburse you to look at an idea that could save you $200,000,000. Let me
ask you this. I can't imagine
a scenario where that's a bad bad idea.
If let's say, you paid for the due diligence investigation and we decided to go with you, would you pay for the 100% reimbursement and the 5% developer fee that we'd be responsible for backing out of the other deal?
Again, respectfully, sir, you're not entered into this agreement yet. I mean, you're not on Those book for that
at the are the terms moving forward. But you don't have
a signed agreement with a developer on that. I don't even know what the I obviously couldn't commit my client live here to whatever expenses that would be. But if if they're
Well, your clients here.
Yeah. I mean, if there's some level of but you know what? Good question. All the more reason our folks want to get with your folks to flush it out and
just You've see what are time months to And come to you wait till after we've already made a decision, after we've already started expending money, after we've already and because you guys want to unload your building because it's a good business decision for your company, it doesn't mean that we should now subject this process to the whims of your business decisions. So tell me, are you prepared to pay reimburse us for all the expenses that this developer would be asking the city to reimburse them for while we wait for your due diligence investigation?
All due respect, Mayor, just to clarify a few things here. We did approach the city. I personally was here last June, and we did approach the city.
Last June?
Yes, year ago. So why
didn't you participate in the process?
We I think, as Nick said, that was a development RFP for a specific site. We were in dialogue with the city since last July actively, sent them information, building specs. We sent, a dozen or so copies in October of our proposals. So it was just a separate line item because it wasn't an RFP to build new. And I'm here today just to say in the next thirty or forty five days, we're happy to roll up our sleeves with you and evaluate that. But it wasn't Did you speak
with any member of this commission during that time? I personally did not. Not personally, anyone from your team? I I don't know if you believe
or not, but I believe I believe so. I I don't know if the commissioners, but I believe people in the city.
So Well, I'm asking if we
are Did you Did information you and building information? Right.
You did you try to, you know, get some feedback from any member of the commission during this process? I can get back to you
on that. You're saying no? I'm not saying no. I can get back to you on that. Okay. Why don't you get
back to us on
that? By
the way, you had mentioned, new bill. We actually did have during that process an existing billing submit to us as part of the process. It wasn't, that was part of the process. You could have actually come in with the existing building. This wasn't all about just new construction. And by I wanted to also ask the city manager because I think at the last meeting, you said that the city had spent for our due diligence upwards of about a $100,000. Didn't you say that?
No. What I was referring to was a listing of, elements that we would like to undertake in order to do the due diligence on the building, and we were estimating about $120,000 So that was the reference. And just to highlight, Ben Rogers is here to clarify anything in terms of, whatever those communications were.
Yes, good afternoon. So Mary, I just want be very clear that we did receive information. We had meetings with Ivy Realty, going back to July. But I want to be very clear that it wasn't an ongoing dialogue. We had a conversation with them, I think, February, where we were talking about the future space planning of the city's needs and how that might impact the 101 Tower and if we'll need more space.
In July, we did receive some information, a packet from one hundred one that talked about a proposal to buy. I responded within five days and I said, thank you for this information, but we need more information. We need to understand the structural, the building history, age of the operating assets, HVAC, windows, etcetera. Did not hear back. I believe there's some staff, dialogues back and forth, but not anything substantial.
Fast forward to October, we got another packet that was updated with the same information. It did not have a lot of the information that I requested in July. We have met with them, since then, in the last month or so, again, talking about some of these same things. And since that time, they have, completed their twenty five year assessment, and I think they have some of that information readily available to share. But to date, we have not received any of that information on the building condition, and things that we've asked for.
I also want to take a moment just to remind the commission that we came, about a year ago, I did a presentation in January 2025, where we talked about what do you, what does the city commission want for the next city hall. And in that presentation, we talked about developing a new City Hall. We talked about a land swap opportunity. We talked about going out and doing a market survey to see what buildings would be available for sale. We talked about different options and the direction or the outcome of that meeting was, let's further discuss as part the goal setting meeting.
So at the commission prioritization workshop of January 2025, there was a topic on City Hall. And at that time, the direction, was 2025, so a year ago. So at the end of that conversation, it was the direction from the commission was to proceed with existing site, and then consider demolition, also figure out if we should incorporate the parking garage as part of the project or not. Following that, in February 2025, the city commission did give direction on utilizing the 100 North Andrews site with a potential alternate site as the new PDHQ campus. And then that was memorialized, as part of the city commission prioritization meeting minutes, that was published and approved in March.
So I just want to continue to relate to the commission that it's not that staff ignored the request. It's not that we were fully engaged with the property owner, but we were following instructions that the city commission put forth. And then when we received the information, we asked for more supplemental information to understand if it's something that warranted. We also did make the, Ivy aware that the city commission in July or June created the competition period for the unsolicited proposal and told them that, that ended on October 6. So again, I just want to make sure that both sides are out there.
And were they aware that we were going to make a decision with regard to, which company we were going to go with, we're going to make that decision in December? Would you know whether or not they were apprised of that?
I'm not sure if they were apprised of this decision in December, but I can tell you that they did follow-up with us in August, after the competition period closed to find out if there was a decision if we were gonna move forward with selecting one or not.
Okay. Alright. Thank you.
May I and I and this will be my last comments on this, but I because I thought actually at the last meeting we already put this to bed, but Well, we did. We did. Okay. But we're still talking about it. So Well, have a right they have a right to public I understand, and and we're responding. But, you know, it's not even just a matter of the fact that we went through a process. But prior to that process, beginning in 2023 when we had the unfortunate incident with city hall, You know, I'm looking I I've dug out documents from the Urban Land Institute, the infrastructure task force. There was so much community input. There was so much data. There was so much information.
And then even when the city when we did our process, we actually put out, you know, a whole section called building components, prepared for what we wanted in this building, in this site. And it's actually more than just a building, just so you know. It's you have a building, but we were actually looking to develop a site, a civic site with with open land and a place to gather and just so much more. So my issue is not just with the process that you did not enter into. My issue is also with the process that came way before that when the public spoke, and I watched all of those meetings, and then we also had all of those people come to city hall.
So it's the preprocess even that was basically laying out what we want to see in this site. And unfortunately, one zero one, there's just so much, and I'm not going to get into all of that. I have it, but I'm not going to get into all of it. But there's just so much that's missing in what we were looking for with the public's input for a brand new city hall. We called it reimagining city hall. So that's it for me, mayor. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Marilyn?
Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioners. First, I want to say I am, absolutely blown away by the hustle that the, city manager and the city attorney and all the staff has put into this comprehensively and so quickly, really very impressive. But I'm not here to talk about that. I was on a conference call with Commissioner Sorenson and all the members Of District 4 a couple of days ago. And there was not one person on that call who was not interested in looking at alternatives to building a new very expensive City Hall.
So I agreed to be the one to come here and annoy you to death by telling you that I think we're not at the marriage stage. We're not even at the dating stage. I want to go I'm still sitting at the bar. I want to go talk to those guys. I want to go talk to the guys who are offering me a Class A office building with 400 parking spaces and money that I can make renting out the space that I don't need and space that will be available for me later on to expand into and save me $100,000,000 $200,000,000 The citizens of the city of Fort Lauderdale are not looking for an iconic major new statement.
We're looking for an economical, functional city hall that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and will provide us with what we need for the future at a reasonable price. I just think that it's not a bad idea. It's actually a very good idea to take a month. You are not into this. You haven't signed anything.
And you may, in fact, go forward with this. But you would be negligent in your duty in my opinion and the opinion of everybody who was on the call, you would be negligent in your duty to the citizens to not look at this alternative that's been presented to you. Putting aside the fact that we're all, you know, where things happened in the past, then why didn't you do this and maybe you should have done that. Put that aside for the moment because that's not in the interest of the city of Fort Lauderdale, okay? What's in the interest of the city of Fort Lauderdale is getting a reasonably priced functional city hall that we can all move into quickly and not spend a whole ton of money on.
And I agree with commissioner, Herbst. If the, legislature puts forward a property rights reduction tax, bill and the citizens go for it, which I have a feeling they will because nobody likes to pay taxes. Okay? We're gonna be in very, very difficult financial situation. So what are we going do? Fire police so that we can pay the mortgage, the p three on this, on this new city wall? I don't want to be in that position. I don't think you want to be in that position. And that's my that's my three minutes and I said my piece. Thank you.
So Marilyn, I just want to can you just come on back? Because okay. So at one point in time you were the chair of the infrastructure task force. Right?
That is correct.
This document that I'm looking at now was published by the city. You as the chair of the infrastructure task force, did he consulting the American Institute of Architects?
That is correct.
This is a very comprehensive report. Thank you for your work on that. Yes. But everything you just said refutes everything that is in your document, everything that is in your report. There is so much in here in terms of data. There's so much in here in terms of what you said you wanted in a city hall and your group said you wanted in a city hall that we would never be able to do that in this building. So when you say that we're gonna save a 100 to $200,000,000, I have to say that that's hogwash. And here's why I said that's a hogwash. So they're asking for about $86,000,000 as a purchase price. If you try to put in every single one of the components from your report in the infrastructure task force into this, And I'm talking about, let's look at hurricane impact glass.
Let's look at common area renovations, the lobbies, elevators, bathrooms, roof replacements, HVAC replacements, deferred maintenance, demolition of multi tenant spaces, and a new tenant improvement. We need to create a chamber space. We need to create everything. So to get to the point where we have in one zero one everything that we've asked for in this entire timeline and everything that was in your report, Marilyn, everything that's in your report, I think we're gonna get to about a $170,000,000. So the difference is I'm not done. So the differential is really not that much. So please
Without a plaza.
Thank you. Without a plaza. Without a civic engagement. And I'm not gonna go through everything that you said, but your committee, your infrastructure task force talked about all of the spaces that you wanted to see in city hall. Well, none of that is in 101, but everything that is in your report is in the group that we are dealing with right now as a partner. So I don't I don't want us to have amnesia. I just don't want us to forget everything. It is important to go back and look at our work. It is important to go back and look at what the city said, what every single resident said. And by the way, your report was not the only report that we have.
So where's the Urban Land Institute? They did a very thorough thing reimagining City Hall, basically very identical to all of the spaces that you asked for. In fact, they even they even reference everything that you guys did with the infrastructure task force. And if you go into the weeds and all of these reports and you look at the gallery spaces and the museums and involving the history of the city and involving local artists and creating a plaza and creating everything else that you talk about in here, whether it's a food court, whether it's the cafeterias, whether it's everything. There's just no way that we're just gonna escape by purchasing 101 for $86,000,000.
And I really do believe, again, look at all the building features in your report. Look at all of the energy efficient and weather resilient spaces that you wanted. Look at all the outdoor spaces. Look at all the multi use facilities. Look at everything. Look at all the retrofitting that we would have to go through. And on top of it, you're getting a twenty five year old building. My god. It's at least halfway through its time life. There's no more there's no more time span to this building.
We would be, I think, you're saying we would save taxpayer dollars, I say we're wasting taxpayer dollars and it's really a smokescreen to say that we're gonna save between a $102,100,000,000 dollars. And I would defy anybody to go back to those reports, you all I, and your infrastructure test report and tell me that I'm wrong here. Because when I go through this and I really look at it carefully, there's just it's not making sense what you're saying.
May I thank you.
Thank you.
Okay. Fair point. It's fair point. When you renovate a building, we all know that there are other expenses. And when you renovate an older building to the, requirements that are in our, infrastructure reimagining city hall, yes, there are going to be expenses and we would have to take that into account. We're not we're not blind to that. But what we're really saying is, let's look into it. I mean, the building has conference all the conference rooms that you could wanna make for community meetings we can make by knocking down a wall or two. We already meet on the 11th Floor. Okay?
The major expense I would think would be putting in a chamber for the commission meetings. That would be a big expense. It has to be factored in. We're not blind to the economic realities. But I don't think we should be blind to the opportunity here. Nobody says we're going to jump into this with blinders on. What we're saying is take a look at it. Take a look at it. You cannot reproduce a 400 car garage on the existing City Hall site. You're going to need that parking.
You just We
have parking.
Yeah. But you don't have enough parking, and you won't have enough parking in the future. You need more parking. That's number one of the things that we said in the infrastructure task force report on reimagining city walls, there should be more parking and it should be free. So there are pluses and minuses. I I grant you it's not, a hundred percent one way or the other. But look at it. Take a look at it for goodness sakes. What what's wrong with that?
One more
I just wanna make one more point. I'm sorry, mayor. You know, there's also a component to this. It's an ethical component. I do not believe that you do business as a city with people, and then all of a sudden you just throw it all out.
Like their expenses, their time didn't matter. We had I guess six entities respond to a process and we saw presentations from four of them and we put those four development teams through a lot. A lot more than most unsolicited proposals would request in a process. In fact, our p three process almost looked a little bit like an RFP process because we sort of kept upping the ante. We kept throwing more more requirements to each of the teams.
And those four teams did a great job at a lot of time, a lot of expense. We went through a process, and we made a selection. How do you ethically, whether you're in a city government or whether you're in a business, how do you do that? How do you feel comfortable just saying to those people, you know, we're so sorry but we didn't really mean it. And now we're gonna go look at this now. How do you how do you do that? How do you look at yourself in the mirror? How do you conduct yourself as a city? How do you conduct yourself conducting business and expect anyone to ever wanna partner with you again or do business with you again if they just think, oh my god, city of Fort Lauderdale, don't even go near them. They don't it's a bad place.
They're ethically bankrupt.
How do you you how do
you how do you say that that's okay?
We are not ethically bankrupt. This is a p three process. You take your chances. They're big boys. Know? They're big boys. Everybody who competes in a p three process knows what they're getting into. So I I do not have your sense of outrage over the process. Really, I do not. I don't I I really don't even understand it, but you're entitled. So okay, you you feel that way, That's fine. I don't feel that way. They're big boys. Know what they're getting into. And I think your responsibility is more to the people of Fort Lauderdale than to the developers who participated in the process. That's my end of it.
And exactly. And that's why I do not want to spend a 100 to $200,000 going through appraisals now, going through due diligence on this now. And I know I know that if we ever thought of purchasing a 25 year old building, we're asking to go down a rabbit hole of expenses. We're gonna pay $86,000,000 and I bet you we double it. We're trying to retrofit this building to make it what it needs to be to work for. So I'm you and I are just gonna have to disagree on this.
Well, I wouldn't. That won't be the first one we disagree. Believe me.
I'm saying conclude this.
I'm saying
we're wasting taxpayer dollars. I'm done, mayor. Okay.
Thank you.
Marilyn, thank you. We appreciate it.
Thank you. And and and, Cody, you wanted to speak?
I'm just gonna say I sleep very well ethically at night watching out for the taxpayers and not for developers.
Okay.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So quickly, wanted to speak about risk transfer. It was something that was brought up earlier by Commissioner Herbst. And I think it's the one piece we haven't really considered with these two options. So with the P3, we're talking about it like it's just a construction project. You're spending $200,000,000 to get a new building, and you're comparing that to spending $86,000,000 to get an old building. But the piece that the P3 has, which is very important to consider, is that it also comes with a thirty year guarantee of performance, of maintenance standards. An elevator goes down, you deduct that from our payment. A room doesn't have air conditioning, you deduct deduct that from our payment.
So it is a guaranteed service. And then even more importantly, at the end of that thirty years, there will be very prescribed handback provisions that we'll negotiate with the city of what the building has to be, what standard it has to meet in thirty years, which is basically the standard that we're building it to now. And so you're not only getting a building right now that's brand new and meets all of your needs, But in thirty years, you know that you have a long runway before you even need to think about the next city hall. And I would just ask that in this other consideration, what does the world look like in thirty years with that option? And so the sound bite of save $200,000,000 sounds great.
It's a good headline. But what does that look like if you're not just looking today, you're looking at comparing these two options over thirty plus years?
Respectfully, that assumes you're still here thirty years from now. You do understand that if you look at the Dow, there's not one company in the Dow that was original to the Dow, right? Even GE is no longer in the Dow. So remember, guarantees are only good as the company that stands behind them and construction is notorious for going out of business. So again, I pray to God you're still here thirty years from now backing that up, but unless you're gonna put a bond in place for the next thirty years, which I know you're not because it's prohibitively expensive, it's a promise and promises are only good as the circumstances that allow you to make good on them.
Till death do
us part. Quickly first Back of
to that marriage analogy again. All
right. We're done. All
right, great.
Thank you. So Mayor, if
I could. So I think this great discussion further highlights why we have a great option in front of us. The Tower one hundred one is offering to provide financial support to do an analysis here. We're hearing some pros and cons to either side. And I say fantastic, let's continue on towards our interim agreement with the developer.
There's nothing that needs to stop that. Continue the great work city staff has been doing. In a parallel path, while we're doing that, before the interim agreement is signed, which won't be signed until April and we will not be burdened or accountable for reimbursement until the interim agreement is signed. Let's take thirty days concurrently to do a low cost analysis of Tower 101 so that we're having a great discussion up here. And this way, we'll have an independent city analysis of, the option. And that way we can make even better informed decision whatever that decision may be.
All right. I'm just going to say this, whatever the analysis, tells us many of the points that Commissioner Glassman outlined for us speak so vividly in favor of continuing with what we're doing with the construction. And at the end of the day, I do not want 101 as our city hall. And we can manufacture prices and needs and all that stuff. I take very seriously what the infrastructure task force proposed to us.
I take very seriously what the community has asked us to create in a new city hall just because a business interest in Fort Lauderdale wants to unload its building and is trying to push this down the throat of our community and use all these tactics to suggest that this is the best thing for the community, I don't buy it. So, unless I have three votes or four votes to support you, you know, Pam, are you still are you still supporting going forward with this measure?
Yes. I'm still purporting going forward. Where I'm making my decision, I believe I said this before, the life of the building that we're talking about Right. Are we looking at in in twenty five years talking and having the same conversation?
Right.
And when I started this this opportunity to represent, you know, the term was kicking the can down the road and understanding that there is a building that's at 80,000,000. But, again, how much are we going to invest in the building to bring it up to, a level? And can we even meet that benchmark that we're hoping to achieve? So for that reason, I'm I'm still where I was, two weeks ago
Okay.
Moving forward in the direction that we have agreed on.
Alright. Senior manager, those are your instructions.
And can we agree that this is the end of this discussion for now, at least for the next month or two?
Until April.
Till April? Okay. Maybe in April we can revisit this conversation, but can we just have this conversation anymore?
All right. Well, appreciate all the work you did in what you presented to the commission today. Thank you for doing that. Thank you. All right. It's 05:30. Can we do commission, and all of our reports after tonight's meeting so that we can break for our dinner and be back next week?
Mayor, I'd like to do the reports in the beginning of the meeting if we can because you've held them till the end previously and sometimes that gets late. Yes.
You want to do it after Yes, the if
we could, that'd be great. Okay. No problem. Thank you.
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