City Council - Regular Meeting

Okay, what's time? Welcome to the February 23rd, 2026 meeting of the Flores City Council. Please stand and join us for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. City clerk, please call the role. O'Donnell here. Pagano here. Parsons here. Harris here. Manganelli

here. Egan here. Caputo here. Shield here. Uh, thank you. Uh, before we move on, I'd like to move to amend the agenda to add a special presentation including a proclamation seconded by Egan. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Uh the next item on the agenda is uh the approval of minutes. Are there any corrections or additions to the meeting minutes or executive meeting minutes of February 9th, 2026? Hearing none, Councilman O'Donnell moves to approve the minutes, seconded by Councilman Siam. Any discussion? All in favor?

Any opposed? Meeting minutes are approved. Okay. Uh now we will have a our next item is a uh special presentation. Um this is a proclamation honoring Dr. Karen Goodwin for many many years of service. Um so um I guess let's all go. Are you going to read from there? Let's go up. Can we all get together up front here? Celebrate Dr. Goodman. My lucky hand you want to relate. But you could.

Is it on? Am I on? Oh, good.

Very pretty. Well, I am honored to do this, my friend. So Karen Goodwin has devoted more than 20 years to municipal service, beginning her career as city clerk in Ferguson before accepting the position of city clerk for Florison in 2002, where she faithfully led the department for 23 years and shaped the city clerk's office into a model of stability, organizations, and and excellence as whereas Karen was selected as the recipient of the outstanding city clerk award presented by Missouri clerks city clerks and finance officers association at its annual spring conference in Colombia and was previously honored as outstanding clerk of the year in 2021 reflecting her exceptional leadership and commitment to professional excellence. And whereas her dedication to the public service extended beyond city hall through her involvement with FOA and the International Institute of Municipal Clerks. Her continued academic achievement including degrees from Tero College Tio. This Tio I'll be done. I'm sorry it's not spelled right. University of Missouri St. Louis and Walden University and her service to the community through the fall festival and healing fields 911 memorial. And whereas in retirement, she continues to support and mentor municipal leaders across Missouri as education director for MOCC FOA and as instructor at Missouri State University.

Now therefore, I Timothy J. Lowry, mayor of the city of Florescent, Missouri, and members of the Flores City Council do hereby recognize and commend Karen Goodwin for out her outstanding service, integrity, and lasting contributions to the city of Florison and the state of Missouri. And be it further proclaimed that we extend our sincere gratitude and best wishes upon her retirement celebrating a distinguished career dedicated to the excellence in public service. So we can We have flowers. We have flowers. Let's get

So, I'll start. Um Karen have been here for probably what you want first or you want us to go. Okay. Okay. Let's go up there. Let's go up there and talk. is the recipient of the proclamation here this evening.

Okay. Okay. Let's uh we'll start from the end down here with uh Mangan Ellen and then we'll work our way this way.

Thank you, Mr. President. Karen, I just want to say thank you for all your years of help. like um uh myself and like uh Councilman O'Donnell, we got thrust into this uh position position as being appointed and would have been greatly lost right from the beginning if it wasn't for your help and your continued support to this whole council or you know forever has just has just been greatly appreciated and I again I greatly appreciate all all the help that you've given myself and us throughout the years. Thank you. Okay. Uh, next is Councilman Egan. Thank you very much, Karen. I think if you described your job, it'd probably be cat herder because keeping us in line is probably very much like hurting cats. and that your responsibilities are not only to make sure that everything the city clerk's office is doing correct, but also to make sure that we're coloring between the lines as well. And when you have people on this like myself on this dis who are a little bit stubborn and and sometimes don't want to listen to the rules, we have to do it anyway. So, I I wish you the best in the coming years. I want to congratulate you on your retirement. I also want to thank you for your work on the fall festival and that is a uh we don't pay you anything extra for that but it is a a tremendous chore and it does not go unnoticed. Thank you and good luck in the future.

Councilwoman Pagano that we were going down the line. We'll come back. Well, Dr. Karen see pages long. There's no light. make you cry. I will not make you cry. I promise.

I still think I'm in a bit of denial that that that you are actually doing this and leaving us. And I know City Hall's pretty lost right now without you. Considering I have already had to stop myself a few times from calling you to ask how to do something or we just did in Jeff City who has the tax exempt letter. I don't know. I'll call Karen. So, um, you are my go-to. Um, and things will not be the same without you, but your impact will definitely stick around. I truly apprec appreciate all you've done for me. From the first day I was elected, you welcomed me with a smile and a genuine willingness to help me navigate this position, teaching me Robert's rules of law, how to use the buttons on the DIS, how to find things on my iPad, and reminding me what my passwords were, allowing me to vent, and creating cheat sheets, and so much more. I can't count how many times I walked into your office or called you with a problem or a question, and you always were there with patience, kindness, wisdom, and a solution. Most of all, Karen, I want you to know how much I admire you. I honestly don't know how you do it all and do it all so well. Earning your doctorate while caring for your family, working full-time, planning the mayor's ball, the fall festival, teaching, running your pottery business, and somehow managing the nine of us on the console with a great attitude and a smile. Honestly, it's impressive and a little intimidating. And beyond everything else, thank you for your friendship. We have shared so many stories and laughs throughout the years and I am

truly blessed to have you in my life. I wish you nothing but the very best in this next chapter. You deserve it. Love you my friend. Okay, next. Councilman Kabutoa.

Thank you, Mr. President. Yes, Karen. Um, thank you for everything you have done throughout the years. Um, for the city of Fars and plus for myself, I know like my Mr. Egan said, kind of keep us on our toes and make sure we do the right thing, say the right things. And um, I appreciate what you have helped me throughout the years on things. And um, good luck on your retirement. Congratulations. You deserve it. You will be missed and um wish you the best in the luck for your endeavors in the rest of your life. Thank you.

Councilman Chil.

Thank you, Mr. President. Karen, the first time we met was in O2 and I walked up the steps and said, "Yeah, I'm here to get my petition to run for council." And you were couldn't have been nicer and uh I owe a lot to you uh my longentivity in this chair to you. Um you know, everybody says, "Oh, Keith, you do a good job." Well, I do a good job because people like Karen get answers to questions and problems solved and people sent to the right department and questions answered and all kinds of things. Um, I could not have made it without you. There is no way, no way impossible. uh when I was president for two years, you really helped me a lot navigate the waters. Uh two totally different people that we were working for. Uh and uh I couldn't be the president the second time around the way I was the president for the first time I was president, if that makes sense. Um, I want to thank you for everything. Enjoy your retirement. I mean, we've done everything from pit bulls to chicken wings. Um, and you guided me through those two issues and all kinds of other ones and offered me guidance and and experience and knowledge that I will never forget. Thank you. I think my story starts the same way. Coming to pick up a packet 2018

uh very cold uh that January and uh just the the friendly face, the reassurance uh the um and and that's I think to everybody just very genuine but also and friendly but also an expert for sure among experts. Uh, you know, when I started going to other events throughout Missouri, actually, uh, and then you start talking about Florison and you know, if you say Karen Goodwin, people are going to know who that is, especially the city clerks throughout the state because you've influenced not only our operation, but across the state and continue to do so. And I know you continue to be involved in that. So, thank you because I think that is important in uh in uh public bodies, public districts. Um, transparency is so important and and you see the the difference. I think I see the difference behind the scenes of sort of how you keep together in that way. Um, and that you believe in it and you believe that it's the right thing to do. uh versus sometimes I see other organizations and and I we just I just have come to appreciate um the expertise in that area and you keep us on on track with that legally but also just you know um that goes a long way with with our um constituents as well. Um so thank you so much. Um look forward to hopefully continue to see you do great things. Um, congratulations on your doctorate, your sustainability study. Uh, I even learned about that. So, uh, thank you so much,

Councilman O'Donn.

Thank you, Mr. President. Karen, thank you for everything you have done for the city. Thank you for everything you have done for the council. and thank you for everything you have done for me personally. When this uh retired pharmacist turned funeral director suddenly showed up here as a politician uh was pretty green and uh helped me through a lot of all through the beginning and even to this day. I wrote down some things that I thought would describe you uh in attributes and this is a uh a very partial vest. Um, you are professional, efficient, knowledgeable, eager, affable, approachable, caring, and giving. And if I had to describe um how you you carry yourself, uh I would say that it's uh more about uh not being concerned or or um preoccupied with who is right, but always focused on what is right. And in that regard it was always your actions were full of integrity and in that fullness of it I would say you are second to none. So thank you again. God bless you and God be with you.

Councilman Sam.

Thank you Mr. President. Um hi Karen. Um, unfortunately, uh, personally, I had a really crazy day, so I didn't have a chance to, uh, write anything, um, in advance, but I'll do my best here in any case. Um, like like the other council members up here, um, I've had a great experience with you since the very beginning in terms of how welcoming and helpful you are and how you showed me the way. Um, you know, in terms of how to do everything and what is expected of me and that sort of thing, if that makes sense. And uh I mean I I was I always wondered how you did everything you did. Um how you keep track of all the service requests that we send in and send them back and everything like that. I probably wouldn't be able to do it. It's just way too much to keep track of. So um it's a lot. And not only do you do that, but you also do it with a great attitude. You always have a smile and you're always bringing us a lot of happiness and joy as well. Um, so I appreciated all of that about you and it's been great working with you for so many years now about 11. So it's been quite a while. Um, and so I also just wanted to wish you the best in your a happy retirement and wish you the best for your next chapter in life. So thank you for everything.

Care, thank you for everything. I really appre I certainly appreciate you as uh professionally and as a friend. I mean, we we've really become close. You know, you took a guy that was spent 34 years in law enforcement and transition to city hall and that was not easy. And I can't imagine how many ledgers that you talked me off of before I fell and and I certainly appreciate all that because things in the law enforcement world are definitely different than the municipalities and the the government world. And uh but I really appreciate you being there and guiding me that ship for me and I certainly appreciate you. appreciate the time you served this city of force and you know how how important it is to me and you actually had the honor of serving under my father also and uh he always appreciated you. I know sometimes it didn't seem that way but he always did. Um but no, we we definitely appreciated you and what you've done and for the city and uh he'll never be forgotten and I know we'll still see you around a lot because you're going to still be involved with the municipal league and um so we're certainly going to appreciate that and thank you for what you've done to the community and everything you've done for the community. And I do want to welcome Micaia, our new deputy city clerk. This is her first uh meeting uh council meeting that she's serving at. So, thank you, Micaia, for being here and thank you for taking the job. Highly recommended by Karen.

Thank you. All right, let's go. Sure.

Please state your name.

I think my name's been said quite a few times already. Um, I did not write anything either. Um, but I do want to thank you. I've been This has been a wonderful career. Uh, once I got to Florison, I knew I didn't really want to go anywhere else. Um it's just been this city of Florison is a beautiful city and it really is um inside and out. This is the greatest council I have ever worked for and mayor you are amazing and it's I'm I feel so good leaving now because I think the city's in just wonderful hands. So thank you for everything you've done for me. Thank you for supporting us and our city clerk um organization and our education along the way. Hopefully you will continue to do that for your new city clerk and your new deputy so that they can um stay in this world for a long time too. So thank you so much. Love you guys. Okay. The next item on the agenda is hearing from citizens. This is a time to speak to the council on any issue not necessarily on the agenda for three minutes. This is not a question and answer period. If you would like to speak to a council member or the mayor, please stay until after the meeting is over. If you are here to speak on a public hearing, please wait and speak when the public hearing is announced. Do we have any comment cards this evening? I see none. Okay. The next item on the agenda is communication. City clerk, please read the communication.

Letter received from various residents on February 19th, 2026 encouraging quality of life policy.

Thank you. The next item on the agenda is public hearings. Public hearing number 2620009. In accordance with 405125 of the florescent zoning code, a public hearing will be held by the city council of Florescent, Missouri in the council chambers at 955 R St. Francois on Monday, February 23rd, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. on the following proposition to request for a special use for a restaurant with drive-thru and repainting brick in a B3 extensive business district located at 2825 North Highway 67. Citizens will have an opportunity to be heard. Anyone with special needs should contact the city clerk at least 5 days before said public hearing by calling 839-7630 or email cityclerk@flloresmo.com. Thank you. Is the petitioner present this evening? Please come forward.

This is for Le Chicken, I believe. Welcome. Can you please say your name and your city? Sure. And then tell us about your project.

Sure. Um my name is Mark Hunter. I'm with Netley's Properties. Um we're the developer for um Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken. Uh our office is located at 10000 Forest Park Boulevard, Fort Worth, Texas 76110. Mr. President, uh members of the council, thank you for having me this evening. Um I'll keep my comments brief um and more succinct than I was at the planning commission. Um but I would encourage you to ask any questions uh afterwards. Um there are several goals of ours with this project in front of you this evening. Um from a code perspective um this building was built in the 80s which was prior to any special use permit. So it um we we would be in compliance with that. Um from a we were not in compliance with an RTU screening uh ordinance. And so this would take care of that from a code perspective. from a tenant perspective and from a lease perspective. Um really two main objectives of ours uh really to refresh the brand, refresh the the building u to reinvigorate um some energy um onto the property. Um and number two is to rightsize and modernize the site plan to meet the current business needs of of Lee's Chicken. Uh to touch a little bit more on the refresh, um Lee's Chicken Corporate went through this big uh exhaustive design study. Um and the results and fruits of that are in front of you this evening as far as the architectural elevations. Um it gone are the red roof um and white painted brick and the more modern and contemporary tones and colors um that really speak to the brand. Um as far as the site plan is concerned, uh we are proposing this evening to remove the five parking spaces which were seldomly seldomly used on the north side of the site uh and replace that to extend uh the parking, excuse me, the the drive-through lane by two spaces. Um this is important for our business model. Um right now this location does 80% of their business through the

drive-through window. And so really, this is just um again modernizing to what the current needs are. In addition to the additional stacking spaces, um there would be an introduction of a walk-in cooler freezer element. So move that equipment out of the kitchen, allow for more technology and a greater use of that kitchen. So it's not just getting more cars into the stacking queue, it's also getting them through the line uh faster as well. Um I mentioned I'd keep my comments brief, so I'll stop there, but um feel free to any ask me any questions. And I do have the elevations and site plan available to pull up if we want to talk over them. Thank you. Thanks, Councilman S.

Uh, thank you, Mr. President. Um, thank you for coming this evening. I don't think I have a lot of questions, but um, I might have missed this if you said it. What color did you say the brick was going to be painted? Great question. Let's pull up the elevation if that's okay. Okay, you should be able to plug that in uh there and it would show up on the screen if you if you're trying to show it from your computer. Yes, I was able to do this at the planning commission. Let's see if I'm able to see. It's gonna work. Got to find the right. Okay, great.

Got it. Okay. So, the Sher Williams color is not uh there's warm apple crisp uh iron ore. For some reason, it didn't pop up. Here we go.

Oh, that's a good idea. See, we're already getting lost here. Now this was included in our packets. So you know we we have seen this but be nice if if everyone could see it.

Sure. Thank you for your patience every course. You want it on.

There we go. Okay. So this white is warm winter. This um well apple crisp color is warm apple crisp. This is uh iron ore. This darker or darker gray. And then there's a uh yellow over the drive-through window. That's a riodul. Just a splash of color here. Okay. Yeah, I think I can picture it. Um so I appreciate that. Of course. Um sorry to make you go through all No, sorry. I broke your machine.

Um, okay. So, the other question is I I did see that you were planning to close the store down for a while and uh do you know when that might be and how long it would be and when you anticipate this project being finished? Yeah, great question. And actually, the goal is really to not shut down operations. So, we would do do it in stages where the exterior first, get the painting done and then come back in and uh at night and and try to reduce the impact of the business as much as we possibly can. Um, we're working on our design documents right now. All that's to say, um, we'd like to start this in April, I think. All if all goes well with, uh, building plan review. Okay. So, you're planning to do like night work instead of like painting while there are cars and drive-thru and people walking in and out. And

I can't promise that there won't be some of that, but yeah, we're going to try to minimize the impact to the operations. Yes, sir. Okay. And last question. You mentioned about the walk-in freezer. Are you like separating that from the building and putting it somewhere else or did I not understand that correctly? Sure. So, no. Um, this that element that you see here, that's the walk-in cooler freezer. Um, it will look contiguous with the building elevation. Um, and it'll match uh the same colors and and brick scheme. Um, so you won't even know it's there. Um, but it's it'll be a it's not there's not a corridor that will connect them. It's an exterior open door, but it will be from a elevations perspective, it'll look as contiguous. Okay. I'm just trying to remember uh the building. It It doesn't exist right now. It's something that would be added on.

That's correct, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. That's what I needed to get. Okay. That's all I have for now. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other comments or questions from the council? Councilman Shildd. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. Hunter. Um, you said you're losing five parking spaces. Are they Is that going to help with the stacking? Yes, sir. Is that the theory? Okay. Um, in the dining room space, isn't going to change at all?

No. Um, it will not minimize in size. We're going to do a refresh there as well. So, new paint, new tile probably, but really just a refresh, but not an expansion or a contraction of that space. And what did you say the percentage of the business was drive-thru? Like 80% 80%. Yes. Okay. I know you've been there a long time. Yes, sir. Thank you. That's all I had, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Are the hours changing uh of the business? Okay. I see in here it says 10 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. Does that sound right? That is what they are currently. Um and we did amend that as part of the planning commission to reflect what the current operating hours are. Okay. And then also um says the owner shall provide 25-y year warranty on the corugated metal panel.

Yes, sir. Okay. Uh yeah, we were able to track that down. I was able to track that down from the supplier and that will come um with the building. We'll supply that with the building plans, but we're able to provide that. Okay. Very good. Um yeah, I guess the last thing I'd say is I know you're just the engineer. you're probably not operating the daily day-to-day basis, but uh hopefully keeping the uh the parking lot cleaned up and all that is something we always like to see. So, I haven't heard any complaints about that. So, um so it must be must be going okay there. That's good. Thank you, sir. Um oh, Councilman Caputo,

you're president. Okay, go ahead. You should be on it. Nope. Nothing. Well, it the microphone's on. My lights burnt down. Yes. Um, thank you for coming um this evening. My question is, do you use local contractors for your um your rehab in the building or do you use a general contractor that's nationwide that

Good question. So, we are working exclusively with a local contractor to the St. Louis market um that specializes in these kind of restaurants. Um J Foster um they do a lot of kind of fast food restaurants across St. Louis. Uh so we're working exclusively with them. Um we're not planning on um outsourcing any of the subcontractor work. Um we've we've not gotten down to that stage yet, but I presume um as most of our jobs have been, they will be local to St. contractors

cuz um I like to see you guys um come in and this is me personally to use um signatory contractors with the St. Louis building trades and um and possibly with minority contractors with the building trades also. Okay, be be very appreciative of that. All right, thank you. That's all I have. I don't see any more uh comments or questions from the council. So uh thank you for answering our questions. Of course. Again, sorry I about the technical issue.

Okay. And as you leave uh the uh stand there, I'm going to call for other people to come up and ask questions. Thank you. Um is there anyone in the audience who would like to comment on this public hearing? Okay, seeing no comments, uh, Councilman S moves to close this public hearing, seconded by Councilwoman Pagano. All in favor?

Any opposed? The public hearing is closed. Public hearing number 2602010. In accordance with 405135 of the Florison zoning code, a public hearing will be held by the city council of Florison, Missouri in the council chambers at 955 R St. France on Monday, February 23rd, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. on the following proposition to amend ordinance 8297 for financial institution bank with drive-through facilities in a B5 planned commercial district located at 2180 North Highway 67. Citizens will have an opportunity to be heard. Anyone with special needs should contact the city clerk at least 5 days before said public hearing by calling 839-7630 or email city clerk@floresmo.com

is the petitioner president for central trust bank. All right. Yes.

Thank you for being here. Awesome. Okay. Uh when you're ready, would you uh state your name and your city and then tell us about your project?

Yep. Hi, I'm uh Drake with Bax Engineering uh 221 Point West Boulevard, St. Charles, Missouri. Uh here to represent the developer. The uh proposed project is east of the souththeast corner of Waterford and Lindberg Boulevard. Um, as you can see on the map, it's nestled in between the US Bank and Rallies. The site currently hosts a Mallister's restaurant that is um recently closed. And the uh subject property is about 1.29 acres and has an existing zoning of B5 planned commercial. The uh neighboring properties to the east, west, and uh south are all zoned B5 or C3 uh commercial zoning, and the uh neighboring uses in the area are almost entirely commercial. The proposed project will consist of renovating the old Mallister's building into a central bank. Um the exterior elevations would um remain largely the same with uh some minor paint touch-ups. Um and the uh elevation should have been provided as well. The necessary touch-ups to the paint um and other areas will be made as needed uh but will overall match the existing structure. The largest change to the building would be the signage and the removal of the exterior cooler um as it would no longer be needed. And the site would have slight modifications um as well, removing some parking spaces, but there are plenty um of other parking spaces available on site. Um we will be adding a drive-thru window and ITM. If you don't know what that is, just a smart ATM with a teller. And we will be adjusting the parking along um Lindberg as well to provide the ADA spaces that we would be removing. So, with that, I'll open it up to any questions that you may have.

Councilman Zion. Uh, thank you, Mr. President. Um, thank you for coming tonight. Um, I think my my main questions are going to be concerning the the drive-thru arrangement that you have. I have I have a few questions about that. Um, so are you going to, and I'm I'm trying to picture this as I look at it, but are you going to have like uh signs uh by the entrances from the streets on Lindberg or on and on North Waterford? Um, how do you uh or do you have are you going to have painted arrows on the parking lot? Like, how do you expect traffic to kind of go around and enter the drive-through lane?

Yeah. Um, so in the exit portion, uh, typically we would stripe it saying do not enter and likely have some kind of signage, um, just so people aren't driving through the drive-thru in the, uh, wrong direction. Um, but typically with a bank, it sees very little traffic um, through the drive-thru to the ATMs, maybe one or two cars at most at a time. Um, so we don't typically anticipate that being an issue. Um, hopefully that answers your question. Um, it's you partially answered it, I think. Well, you said you were going to put do not enter like in the opposite direction where cars are leaving the drive-thru. So, that was actually one of my questions, like if you have a car e exiting the drive-thru and going towards Lindberg and then you have a car turning in from Lindberg, like we just want to make sure like they're not on some kind of a collision course, right? like if somebody is going to park in those first few spaces next to the building like I don't know if that would create any kind of a conflict or not.

Uh I I would assume it wouldn't. Um this site has served a uh bank in the not a bank a um restaurant in the past um Mallisters and I believe a Bob Evans before that and there was parking all along this um strip. So those those two parking spaces there are existing. um we'd be adding an island and removing some of the parking in that area. So, it there's a pretty large area um drive aisle width. I believe the minimum width is 22 ft and it's actually closer to about 30. So, there's plenty of maneuverability area in there.

Okay. So, just to be sure, cars could either come from North Waterford or they could come from Lindberg and they could just go around one of those aisles and come back around. Correct. Back. Okay. Um Okay. And uh when do you expect to have this project completed and the bank open? Do you have a feel for that? Ideally, we would be through the permitting process within the next two months or so. and it is a pretty minimal um at least outside of the building a pretty minimal change to the site. So that should go very quickly. Um I can't speak to architecturally how long that'll take but ideally it would be before the end of the summer.

Okay. Uh thank you. That's all I have for now. Councilman Manganelli. Thank you, Mr. President. Um Mr. Johnson, thank you for coming tonight. Actually, I just want to state that my questions that I would have would be for the leadership of the bank of which you you would not be able to uh answer. So hopefully for subsequent readings maybe somebody can be here for that. That's all I have. Thank you.

Mine might be for the leadership as well, but I'm wondering um are there plans to open more banks in North County that you know about coming? I think there's saw there's one in Ferguson and then most of the other locations are clustered around uh mid mid county like yeah um I actually personally am doing another one in um St. Louis County uh Oakville um and then doing I just completed one in St. Peters, Missouri. Okay. And we've done a few in the Wentzville area. So they're kind of creeping up here and there, but I don't at this time know of any other plans besides those ones. Do you know if they uh sometimes try to open up like standalone uh ATMs to support like the network?

Um I believe they have um explored that in the past. Um but more so trying to open up in kind of like a strip mall area and then adding freestanding ATMs sort of out, you know, kind of near the road which you might typically see. Um but other than that, I don't know of that. uh this ITM as you refer to it. Um is that the only ATM outside of the bank and is that in the drive-thru or is it like a walk up kind of Yeah, so there is um and it's kind of hard to see but the innermost lane um closest to the building that's going to be the teller window and then where that island is is where the ITM would be and that would be the only ATM that I know of outside of the building.

Okay. Thank you, Councilman Caputo. Thank you, Mr. President. Um, yeah, welcome. Uh, my question is, um, I just said, do you also use local contractors? Um, typically, yes, we would. Um, we'd open it up to bid for any contractors in the area, but yes, typically they would be local. Like I said before, and I'm just myself here that um I like to like to see you guys use um signatory contractors with St. those building trades and possibly even if you can use a minority signatory contractors be really appreciative if

I'll pass it along. And pass that along, please. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here this evening explaining the project.

All right. Awesome. Thank you. And before we close this public hearing, is there anyone in the audience who would like to comment on this this hearing? Seeing none, uh, Councilman Sia moves to close this public hearing. Seconded by Councilman Manganelli. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carried. This public hearing is closed. The next item on the agenda is old business. The first item is bills for second reading. Bill number 10182. Councilman Shield moves for a second reading. Seconded by Councilman Capuda. Any discussion? All in favor?

Any opposed? Ordinance authorizing a special use permit 10182 to Kalpich Patel Dandep LLC doing business as Baymont by Windham to operate a hotel and lodging at 307 Dun Road Flores Missouri 63033 in the B3 extensive business district. Councilman Sheloff moves for a third reading. Seconded by Councilwoman Pagano. All in favor?

Any opposed? Ordinance authorizing a special use permit 10182 to Calpish Patel Dandeep LLC doing business as Baymmont by Windham to operate a hotel and lodging at 307 Dun Road Flores Missouri 63033 in a B3 extensive business district. Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none. Clerk, please pull the council for the final vote. O'Donnell, yes. Pagano, yes. Sam, yes. Harris, yes. Manganelli, yes. Egan, yes. Caputo, yes. Shield, yes.

Bill number 10182 passes and becomes ordinance number 9177. Substitute bill number 10183. Councilwoman Pagano moves to accept the substitute bill. Seconded by Caputo. Oh, you'd like to before and you want to talk now or just open for discussion first. Okay.

Okay. So, we should get that on the floor first and then we can talk about it, right? Okay. So, so it's um so Councilman Capuda seconds uh to accept the substitute bill. Any discussion here? Here's the discussion. Councilwoman Pagano. Yes. I'm sorry. I would like to amend the rules and um ask the petitioner come up. I just have a question. Okay. So, Counciloman Pagano moves to suspend the rules to advise the petitioner forward. Seconded by Councilman Egan again. Is the petitioner present this evening for uh Turning Point Music Group?

Yes. Okay. We have uh suspended the rules because we want to engage a little bit more on this. So, would you come forward, sir? Thank you. Appreciate you being here. Okay. Please state your name and uh city for the record. Uh Sam Brooks, CEO of TurningPoint Music Group. Uh one second. Okay. Miss Karen, you don't probably remember this, but I've had salons in Florida for over 10 years, and you've always been great. So, thank you. And I hope that people say what they say about you about me when I'm there. Wonderful. Okay. Okay. Council Pagana. Um am I on? You're on. The lights aren't working.

Um, I just have a few questions again about hours of operations. So, what what exactly is your plan on the hours? For some reason,

the plans are from 10 to 6 um Sunday through I mean Monday through Thursday. Well, Sunday through Thursday and then um um 10 to 8 um Friday and Saturday. Then if we have special uh clients, then we'll schedule those times whenever they are available cuz we do have quite a few people like three on four day is coming up. I know that um we were not going to be ready for that, but I know that some of the artists that are going to be in town are going to be looking to record and that will probably be late, but we're not we're not set up for that yet. So, uh it'll be a couple months before we even okay

are ready for something like that. But normally it'll be business hours and then we'll have our own special uh clients. The purpose really is to um give the opportunity for guys to come in and get the quality service at a cheaper price during those hours and then we can really work on basically our our clients which are some of the artists are already uh have deals and stuff like that. So Okay. Okay. So, I I guess that's uh still where some confusion lies. If you're open till 8 on Fridays, but then the special clients come in, what time are are they leaving?

Well, it could be normally a session is two hours. Um it could sometimes be a little longer than that, but normally it's two hours. So, say they were in town, they had a show, and normally the show ends uh the last show is the thing at the Sabbath Center. Um, it ended around 12:30, 1:00. So, they may want to come at that time and then it may be 2 hours. It may be 3 4:00 in the morning before we get out of there. Okay. I I I believe this is where I'm having my problem.

Okay. With people coming and going and not not having a definite close time. I do this for our law enforcement officers that they go up. There's people up there that aren't, you know, they're thinking you're closing at 8. Now all of a sudden it's 3:00 in the morning and and we have a full house. Um I don't know, maybe our city attorney can help me out with like the hour um part that like no one in the building after a certain time or or how do I go about that?

So right now it says hours of operation may vary based on client needs. So if you are suggesting that that you want specific hours. You would need to amend that similar to how you would a restaurant. Okay. That describes specific hours. I I would like to I would like to hear from my colleagues on this and and just see, you know, maybe I'm totally off base. No, but I just I worry I know we have a retired law enforcement officer. I'd like you to just see what he thinks or you know

I totally get it but it would if it with those clients it' be a very private very kind of like quiet secret type situation. It wouldn't be a bunch of people. It wouldn't they come in, they get the work done and they're on to the next city cuz they're working. So while they're in cities they try to collaborate with because I try to my I consider myself a public servant you know because I try to when there's opportunities there if someone deserves the opportunity I try to create that opportunity while in the moment because you can miss it sometimes and that can be your time where you you can really take off. So, it's hourly. And then for those special people, I mean, I don't know if we had uh Bruno Mars. I I probably couldn't tell him no. If it was 1:00 in the morning, I probably had to tell him. Yeah. Come on.

If he came up, you just we'll just make special accommodations. But, um Oh, shoot. I lo I lost my train. So, the videos that you create and things like that, are they all done inhouse like with backdrops or are they outside? Are they in the parking lot?

They're uh they're backdrops. What we do is we take artists that come in that don't really have a plan and we kind of give them a plan. So, we do what we call media training. So, all of that stuff, they leave with all of that film so they can kind of like look at what they're doing and what it looks like. And then we'll kind of that's when the management part comes in. We'll help them along the way if they decide to come back. We you know if they want to record that's fine but if they don't want all the other stuff that we offer I mean that's fine too but it's still that that kind of piece is there so they can so we kind of record everything from their video from the time they walk in the door to the time they leave the whole experience. And then content creation is a big thing in today's market. So that also gives them content for whatever social media page they're on. Um cuz what people want to see is you working. So the serious people they work a lot and they want to show that they are working and creating uh and and things like that. So

right. So are videos shot outside? Like would you have videos out in the parking lot?

No. No. No. Most of our artists the videos are on location. So we uh we use Create Space Create Place a lot. We use uh Utopia on the south side. They're big huge buildings with all different types of setups and then they have we do a lot of location shopping. You do a lot of the art stuff and we just kind of try to catch I'm just so St. Louis. So we try to catch St. Louis. You can't really you can get a green screen to make anywhere you know that look like anywhere but the actual being out and interacting with the people. Uh money in the building it would just be for content creation. That's something that they can leave with. We don't necessarily shoot videos. It's kind of like you're being filmed while you're here. And we'll give you the media training if you want that. We ask the questions and kind of walk them through it. And you know, all that stuff is important. You know, it's it's really if you're if you're serious about what you're doing.

Okay. Thank you. That's it for now. I don't know if anybody else has a question or would like to chime in on timing. Um would be great. I could use some help here. There are a couple other lights on. Uh, Councilman Egan. Thank you, Mr. President. Good evening, Mr. Brooks. Good evening. You um do you do you have other businesses in town currently? Uh, barber shops. Yes. You and you have one or two of them? Two. Two of them. Are those at uh 12677 News Ferry and 12739 Halls New House Fair? Yes, sir. Okay. What in in the past your recording aspect of your life has been involved with Phillips recording. Is that what you sold?

Yes. Yes. I you have a relationship with Phillips. Yeah. He was one of my main producers kind of when I started he kind of started this house. So again considered myself a public servant. He wanted to actually get into a building because you can't really maximize you got people coming to your house. So to kind of get out there so he's three and a half years in now. He's doing pretty good. Okay. Okay. And as I recall last time, you said that there is some rap music, but you're rhythm and blues, gospel, even children's stuff, right? Yeah. Very good. Uh, who who is Chic Stars?

He was one of the barbers that actually worked at the barberh shop slash wannabe uh, I guess, rapper, entertainer, whatever. Uh so uh I was very surprised to see that he had kind of put up some stuff on his page about Turning Point and that is not our image at all. So what is what is uh his real name? Um what is she real name? Uh what is his real name? Uh Rashik Smith I believe. Are you still affiliated with him? Not at all. Because at one point in time, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was something where

at one of the barber shops you were trying or someone was trying to bring a recording studio into the barber shop. Yeah. Did we get and I think the city gave you a cease and Yeah. He actually went on film and said he went on his page and put out that we were opening up studios and he had nothing to do with Turning Point music. We were redoing the barberh shop because I wanted to personalize the I have the I had them all out in the open. So, I kind of personalized the barber's stylist and then we created a couple private rooms for uh braiding and and somebody want to do something else. Okay. As I as I saw on the uh I I think that you wanted to create extra spaces for different services. Exactly. And was one of those recording?

No, no, no. Never recording at all. Never recording. He put that out there and I was I was I had a couple choices. The city did give a sea disorder that and then uh they came back and we we straightened it all out. He's not affiliated with with me at all. He was just one of the barbers that was at the he was actually one of the guys I kicked out of the barber shop when I redid it. Okay. Did Did he actually when he was in your barber shop, did he have a business license with you? Uh he had he's had his own uh personal barber's license from Barber College, but not so he was renting a chair from you, which is fairly common. Yes. Yes, sir. And did he get a have a business license through the city of Florison at the time? Uh I am not sure.

I don't I don't think so. We can check on that, but I don't I'm going to answer that for you. I think Yeah. All of those guys are gone. So So when looking on on I told you last time I was a cop for 40 years. Yeah. And we had a recording studio in my town and I wasn't a fan of it. Uh one of the reasons because of the hours. But I gotta be honest, I looked at some of the videos from Phillips today. Uh, and I think you actually worked on a a song by by or yeah, chic chic star song by the name of Big Ape because it had it has right when I pulled up it says turning point music. That was one of yours, right?

That that was something that he did that I I Miss Irving made me aware of. I had no idea he did that. So you had nothing to do with No, he took some stuff, videoed the place, and then put it out. I was totally caught off guard by that. You know that? Yeah, I I was totally off guard. That is If you go on Turning Point's page, you'll see how we do things. That is that was complete. I didn't have any idea that that was how that Miss If Miss Irving would have called me or sent me an email. I wouldn't even known about that. I was very I'm going to describe it for the record. It was nothing but guns. Yeah, it was very And yeah, a lot of shooting or pretend like you're going to shoot. Yeah, that is. And I just in in this culture we have right now of a being in a very violent region. Yeah.

I mean that that that's horrible. It was absolutely terrible. Horrible. That does not represent us at all. Well, the one on your Facebook page with the four ladies in the car. Is that was that yours Facebook? No, we're not. We're just on Instagram right now. Turning point. We're not on Facebook at all. That was okay. Yeah, that's him, too. So, we we're not on Facebook at all. I I'm just going to tell you that I I have some tremendous concerns after she seeing the chic to the chic videos. I think I see I saw three of them. Yeah. One one definitely said Philip Studio. I didn't know if you worked with that one. One absolutely said Turning Point music. Yeah, I was.

It absolutely said that and they I'm going to be honest, they were appalling. They were And I'm not approved. They were horrible. Um, miss I I would I would suggest that I would be willing to entertain earlier hours. That would that was one of the problems in where I work where we saw where people would gather out on the parking lot and till 4 or 5:'lock morning. I understand there's some That's just my opinion. That's just my opinion. Councilman Meganelli.

Thank you, Mr. President. Excuse me. Um I I too am you know concerned about the hours and somebody after the last meeting somebody uh somebody reached out to me who had experience in the uh entertainment industry being to many studios. Um, I guess my question is the uh smoking and the drinking. You know, you say, you know, I think you made a statement that you may not be able to uh uh control it outside or do you have any or

Well, it'll definitely be a non-smoking, non-drinking facility. No, I can't control what they do on their way there or when they leave, but they won't be allowed to smoke, drink on in or on the property. I mean, you can't stand outside. You can't stand at the back door. You can't do anything. I, you know, I I I would ask them not to even sit in their cars to do that. If you need to do that with way before you get because I don't want any issues. We're trying to work. So, this is this is like a long time coming. So, I can't I can't have any of that. Okay. So, that's that's my, you know, question. if you're going to police the park

and I would be there every day myself. So, this is I'm not having that. Okay. Um, will there be will will you rent the studio out to say podcasting and things like

We were kind of thinking about doing our own um we were going to call it um Turning Point Conversations and we were kind of going to talk about everything that's going on in the entertainment scene around St. Louis and then give uh local uh artists a chance to come on and kind of talk about their music just for our content and our page. So, as far as renting it out to other people, that's something we could possibly do, but it would take more of uh them handling our equipment and and stuff like that. So, uh, I don't I'm I'm not really sure about that part yet because we're just kind of set up to, uh, do everything Turning Point does and then they leave with that as far as, uh, a product, not u, something that they can come in and rent and use and do whatever they want to do with. We kind of want to control how it goes.

Okay. Okay. That's all I have. Thank you, Councilman Sheldress. Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Brooks, oh, I cut right to the chase. I'd like to see you do really well there, but can you live with if we did a midnight thing, is that going to handcuff you? Um, is it going to be a deal breaker?

It's not a It's not a deal breaker, but if we have, uh, well, for instance, uh, I have an artist right now. I've been talking to record labels for two weeks straight about signing a deal for him. So, uh, his he's really popular in St. Louis now. So, I'm trying to figure out the best time to record when because I want to take him somewhere and other people are there because he is well known. So, the try not to create the frenzy. So, those moments would be private. So for people like that, I would I would ask that we could be in a little later. But as far as the public is concerned, 6:00 Monday through uh Thursday and 8:00 uh Friday and Saturday, 10 to 8 Friday and Saturday, 10 to 6 Monday, Sunday through Thursday.

And for these well-known artist, uh Midnight's not going to fly. Is that what you're telling me? Well, I mean, we have to I have other friends who have places. Uh, uh, my friend Mike over on the south side, Fat Buddha, and Shock City on the south side. I could take them there, uh, if if it came today. I have relationships with those guys. Okay. I would, you know, love to do it at our own house, but, you know, we still get the tag for it. So, Okay. Thank you, Councilman Egan.

Yeah, I had a followup question. Excuse me. When when Miss Pagano asked you about filming, like on the videos, uh you indicated that you have a you go to a a big building somewhere has all these Well, on the one I was talking about Big Ape. It sure looked like Plush Lounge to me. It looked like the outside of Plush Lounge with guys are running around with guns and pointing at each other. Was that pl was that? Again, I don't know anything about that. I didn't have anything to do with that. That was a separate project between Philillip and Thomas. I didn't even know about that like again until Miss Irving uh told me about What did she tell you about this?

Um she sent me an email and she sent me his um Instagram page. So I went on it instantly and I called her. I was like what is going on? She's like what is going on? So I was like I don't have no idea about any of this. So they collaborated. They do their own thing that has nothing to do with Turning Point Music Group. I am But it had your name on it. Yeah, I know. I was very mad about that. I was at Turning Point. And I thought, well, you know, last two weeks ago down in in Ferguson, we had uh five young men get in a shootout and kill a a ride share driver. Had to be my cousin. Just got me caught. Oh, wow.

Five young men got all pulled out guns. week before that, the very same street on Canfield Drive Bergen, a an 18-year-old guy pulled out a gun and killed a guy who walked at him. So, I'm really worried about the gun violence and I see that I'll be very honest. I see you got a you that a product with your name on it is running around Plush Lounge in the LA pointing guns at each other and filming this and it was horrible. I'm just I can't get I can't pull away from that. Yeah. I I just know if it was Joe Egan's name on that, I'd have had it done off there. I'd had a I'd have got the attorney to to get a cease and dis desist order. But as of right now, the only thing I can see is your name on that particular

I immediately told him to take it down. Uh I looked and that wasn't on there, but I know now that you said Facebook. He's on Facebook. He's on uh what's the other one? I mean, I can't pull it up and play it because it's too violent. Twitter. Uh what's the other one? Threads. I'm like, what is going on? So, please take my I am not associated with Chic Star in any type of way. He was one of the barbers who worked at the barber shop that

ran it a mess and he's gone. So, he has no affiliation whatsoever with Turning Point Music Group. And I'm very, very upset about that because I think that's why we're going through this whole process now. But me it is. And that's why I would I would s I would entertain a very latest a midnight at the very latest and I Yeah, that's all I have. Thank you, Mr. President. Councilman Minelli. Uh thank you, Mr. President. I I have one quick followup, too. Um, I guess what I'm having tr I'm still having trouble with past midnight

and your your your reasoning is that you have a very famous um performer. I know, you know, seeing interviews with other, you know, performers, their day starts at 5 in the morning. If you pulled somebody into your studio at 6:00 in the morning, I'm in bed. There's, you know, there's a lot of people that aren't going to be, you know, that won't be around to give them any grief. So, that's Like you said, is that an option?

Yeah, 12 is fine. I mean, we can do 12. Like I said, if if it uh if it comes avail if if if it ever comes to that, we can just go to uh either Fat Buddha or Shock City. Uh there's other uh places we can go. I don't um the quality of what we're what we're going to be matching. Those guys have that that quality and they have the privacy and and all of that. So that's all I have. Thank you, Councilwoman Pagano.

I'm back. I to be honest with you, I am struggling with this. I I'm with Mr. Shroth. I I want to succeed. Um to be honest, I've seen one of the videos. I have not seen them all. And it was late in the day. And it it did it scared me. This is my hometown. I was born, raised, still live here

and it bothers me and and you're and you're very close to, you know, where I live and I and if this is going on, I I I just am not real crazy about it. I would like to amend it that there is no one in that building after midnight and that would probably be on the weekend since those are the lady latest hours and we go 10 to 6 Sunday through Thursday which you requested that that was it and I'll give you the midnight on the weekends and that's just my proposed uh can I want to add the discussion real quick.

This Okay. Uh, so I hear you. Um, that's Turning Point right there. This is This is your actual page, your official page here. Yes. Okay. That's Turning Point.

So, um, I am concerned for you about intellectual property. You know, I I don't I think this is something that happens in in the internet sphere as far as people impersonating. Um even though this is somebody you knew, you knew there were issues, you removed them from your business, right? Um you know, I can legitimately see this happening where someone would use your name and uh and in fact um the businesses has mentioned before that there was maybe a video shot too. Um, I mean there are issues with that business as well. So, um,

so I feel for you on that and it's not always as easy as it seems to clear the air on that kind of thing. Uh, very disappointing. Um so um as far as ours are concerned um and push back a little bit u just because I'm thinking of the music industry things that I've seen of interviews and stories on musicians and uh you know I can think of interviews where I've seen where you know they say well this just came to me I was up at night writing lyrics and then I called so and so and I said can we get in the studio right I have this you know it does have this this creative sort of I've heard artists say that

it does and then along with the whole um vision of filming while they're in the studio, right? Because the process the creative process of it and then um often sometimes they'll go back to those videos and uh be creative with the videos because you're creating content. Correct. Right. Which is huge business. So, I think it's a new it's not a totally new business, but the way that it rolls out because of the internet and social media um and even the way that licensing happens and even podcasts, you know, like you open up your um Spotify, you have music and a lot of times you have the video right there. Yeah.

You know, so um so it's it's incredibly creative and so u so I can what I'm trying to say is I can envision what you're saying and I think it fits within the music industry legitimately. So I just wanted to say that um are there any other comments? Uh I know that there was uh we do have a first and a second on accepting the substitute bill first, right? No, that's the current motion, right? And we're in discussion. We suspended the rules. Now, we need to call for everyone to either accept the substitute bill and then make amendments. Right.

Yes. So, uh I'm going to ask uh all in favor of this accepting the substitute bill say I. Any opposed? Okay. Uh the motion carries and the substitute bill is accepted. All right. Um, so, uh, this I think this is where where if there were any amendments to the bill, we could discuss that right now. Um, so, uh, Councilwoman Pagano, uh, would you restate if you were going to make, you know, I'm I just don't even know what days. He's 10 to 6 Sunday through Thursday, 10 to 8 Friday and Saturdays.

Those sound like regular hours, correct? Yeah. Regular hours. Yes. Right. It does. And And I don't know. Uh um so I think what he wants to do is by appointment outside of the regular hours. Exactly. So I guess the question is uh is there a limitation to the hours that you would allow by appointment? But I don't know what his appointment would be. I don't want anybody in the building past. Okay. So I just go that way. No matter. So, you're moving to limit the hours uh of anyone in the building, any occupancy after midnight, between the hours of

recording no artist in the building is midnight. Do you do you want there to be a limitation for 10 to 6 and 10 to 8 plus allowing by appointment but no later than midnight or are you just saying let's add a provision that says no later than midnight? Say that again. So, do do you want to say uh you know hours are limited to 10 to 6 Sunday through Thursday and 10 to 8 Friday and Saturday plus hours by appointment but no later than midnight or do you just want to do the second part which is no later than midnight?

I think I like the first um one you said keep these hours by appointment until midnight. No, any day on I I would go any day by midnight they I have a question. Um would that include editing and production uh mix and mastering? Can can my producers do that after 12? They would be in the building by maybe one or two. U they normally work together to edit and do all of that stuff. So and your equipment's there. Yeah. And the equipment is there. Computers. So, it would just be them in the building doing the

uh edits and mixing, mastering and stuff like that. You know, it's my fault. I I don't I I'm not um I guess into recording studio that I know much about them to tell you the truth. You know, I'm just going by what I've seen and and and what I've read. And um can I analogize it to a restaurant which is that a restaurant's open to the public certain hours but that staff might be there early cooking and getting ready and things like that or staying late getting ready for the next day. So it would be there could be a limitation on when customers are are present if you'd like

an employee and that's what I that's what I said that artists could not be in there. So I I think Yeah, I think what you're I think you're speaking consistently with one another. Oh, well that's a good thing. We'll get there. I I think so. May I Sure.

try. So I think what she's suggesting is that your business hours for customer you know being open to the public would be 10 to 6 Sunday through Thursday 10 to 8 Friday and Saturday but as being open to the public and then as being open to the public by appointment um but no later than midnight. That would allow your staff to be there working past those hours, but would not allow you to have members of the public or customers there during those hours. That's fair.

While we think about that, a little process issue here. Uh we should have seconded we should have gotten a second reading of this before we and moved into discussion, I guess. Um uh you haven't gotten that far yet. You're still entertaining the what's before you or amendment and then you want the and then do this during discussion. Okay. So, let's do that. Um, is there someone who would like to second uh move for a second reading? Okay. Uh, Councilman Shelder moves for a second reading. I'll second. Seconded by Councilman Pagano. Discussion. Okay. Thank you, Karen.

Dr. Goodwin. Okay. So, now we're where we can state a um a motion. Yes. Okay. If you'd like to move to amend the substitute bill and if you'd like me to try to state that, I can. Sure. And then I will refer to our Okay. Or do you we state it and then Miss Pagano can clarify whether this is what she wants. Okay. Listening.

Okay. I I think the amendment that Miss that council member Pagano would like to propose is that number one right now says of the proposed bill says hours of operation may vary based on client needs. So instead it would say hours of operation where clients are present would be limited to 10 to 6:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, 10 to 8:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday. However, clients can make appointments and and be present up until midnight outside these hours. Instead of however, I would say maybe and and

and by appointment, not not beyond midnight, not later than midnight. So, state the hours and by appointment, but not later than midnight. Is that what you're looking for? No one will be there after midnight except for staff doing editing. Not recording. No recording after midnight. How many staff do you have? I have um they normally work in Paris. I have six producers and they one does the recording, the other does the edits. So they kind of work together as pairs. So they one edits the video, one mix and masters the music and then they kind of put it all together.

Okay. So, how many in the building at one time? After 12 would just be two and pro possibly myself and you because you're there all the time. I'm there all the time, right? Every day. I believe I can go with this. I can do this as long as So, uh, Mr. Counciloman Pano has made a motion to amend the substitute bill. Okay. Basically, you're limiting to keep this until midnight by appointment only. Okay. Is there a second? I don't know if I can limit the people amendment. Second.

Okay. Shelder off seconds that uh mo uh motion. Um I think we need to do a roll call on this. You're not on the third reading. The reading first. You're on the the motion and the second. Yes. If it would I don't believe it's normally a roll call. If you want to do a roll call, you'd need a vote of the council to do a roll call. Otherwise, just do a All right. Well, we'll do all in favor on the amendment. If there's a question at the end of the number, then you could call for the Okay. call for you. All in favor of the amendment.

Any oppose? No. Okay. Uh the it's uh the amendment is accepted. Okay. Um, second reading ordinance authorizing a special use permit for Turning Point Music Group LLC to operate a recording studio at 1821 Dun Road in the B3 Extensive Business District. Is there a third? I think that was third. That was third. Sorry, that was second. Yeah, second. Okay.

Okay. Councilwoman Pagano moves for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Shieldrath. All in favor? Any opposed? Ordinance authorizing a special use permit for Turning Point Music Group LLC to operate a recording studio at 1821 Dun Road in the B3 Extensive Business District. Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on this bill? Okay. All right. Hearing none, uh, clerk, please pull the council for the final vote. O'Donnell, yes. Pagano, yes. Sam, yes. Harris, yes. Manganelli,

no. Egan.

I'm going make you proud, Miss E. I'm going make you proud. Okay. Caputo. No. Shieldra. Yes. passes. Okay. Um num bill number 10183 passes and becomes ordinance number 9178. That's it. Thank you, sir. It's passed. Okay. With the amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. So what does this mean now? Have to come back here again or this is No, this is it. It's passed.

I can let my guys start building. No. Yes. in uh can in collaboration with the city, right? Okay. Debbie, go back to go back to the building commissioner, Debbie. Debbie Urban. Okay. Yeah. She can guide you with the next step. Yes. Thank you guys. Order. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Bill number 10184. Councilman O'Donnell moves for a second reading. Seconded by Councilman Manganelli. Any discussion? Councilman O'Donnell. Is your light on for this one? Sorry, I lost track. Thank you, Mr. President. Yes. I um I don't know if we need to finish that for the second reading. I wanted to uh suspend the rules to call the petitioner forward. Okay. Um the rules have been suspended. Uh the rules uh Councilman O'Donnell moves to suspend the rules. Uh seconded by Councilman Egan. Um all in favor? I.

Any opposed? Okay. The rules are s suspended. Uh would the petitioner please come forward for the taste by RNB LLC?

Hello everyone. Good evening. Welcome back. Thanks. Will you say your name for the record? I am Tequila Clark at 1155 North Highway 67. Appreciate that. Uh, Councilman O'Donnell. Thank you, Mr. President. Good evening, Tequila. Welcome. Hi. How you doing? I wonder if I could just um maybe do a couple of uh questions. Uh my guess and what you're proposing is is kind of it seems to me to be unique in that it's a restaurant and a banquet center. And I I have to say that I'm just kind of struggling with the banquet center part of it. How how did that come about or why is it why do you need to have it as a banquet center?

Because many times people come in say like if you have a restaurant like uh for instance, let me use Bristols or 801 Chop House. Typically when we go out for dinner and if it's my birthday, I kind of want to have a birthday dinner at Bristols and they'll rent the side room for you and you have uh plated just like a catering event for your party in that particular room or area. Um, also, um, being with the background of like decorating and things of that, um, outsourcing and just having parties and paying. And I'm not talking, uh, your normal backyard baby shower. We're talking events that cost maybe $3 to $5,000 for those events. That's the type of events that I'm trying to do. Um, typically people want to rent your space and not necessarily that I will rent my restaurant for something like that, but we will have a banquet hall that also we will be able to do the food and the liquor as well for that particular banquet or that event.

So, what type of events then would you do if you're not going to do B showers and things like that? I thought No, no. I'm saying it's not your typical backyard baby shower like I've I've showed pictures before. We're doing like um setups, like high quality kind of setups, not just your typical um plastic tablecloth kind of thingy. We're doing more of like a extravagant kind of event like that's a Christmas party, right? Okay.

That we do and things of that nature. Kind of like your more elegant events is what we're looking forward to do. a lot of people and companies and corporations like I'm affiliated of course I have a home care agency and we know it's a lot of those throughout St. Um, a lot of these people when they want to have their like when we have what's called an inservice meetings, our offices are too small to have those meetings. So now we have to outsource those meetings and go to like a meeting place to do lunch or inservice or brunch or teaching of that aspects because you're talking if you got a 100 clients or more, you're going to have at least 150 employees. or you may have 50 clients and you may you had to have a um a aid per client depending on how many hours they have. You may have two. So things like that like some things just can't be hosted. Um I wouldn't want to do it on the restaurant side. The restaurant comes about because I have to do 50% of food if I do banquet, right? So we're just going to um and this was something that I had before. we're just moving to the other location um to the new to the bigger location to do the restaurant and then the other side do private parties basically.

So I guess I just don't understand why not just have it as the restaurant and use that space to to book those individuals or to reserve for those individuals and then if they wanted specific decorations you would upsell from that. um if they wanted um um buffet kind of service um you could do that. So why not do that all as part of the restaurant because I don't think I don't think per ordinance you can still have any a public event or social events in a restaurant and I don't think that that's the ordinance for restaurants. I don't think so.

Um so I don't know if we're talking about two different things or or what. So, so maybe you could elaborate on on the kind of events um that would be um specific to you're you're describing them as events that wouldn't be um booked as a restaurant u reservation.

Like for instance, if I did a Christmas party or a baby shower, I wouldn't want to do that where I already have booths and planted chairs at. So, in a restaurant, typically you have like the booth seating and then you may have the table and chair seating. I wouldn't want to do a Christmas party with booth seating in the way because you can't decorate or you can't allow that space to move around or set up catering on one side. You some of these events are more like private intimate events. I wouldn't want to have my intimate event in an open space where customers because we can't restrict customers from coming in. Say if the restaurant's open from 10:00 to 8 and you decide that you want to come in and have a party. I can't restrict someone from coming walking through your party to go to the bar and have a drink. So that's why that other the other why we will have it in the private room.

Gotcha. So um as I look now, so and and maybe I could ask the city attorney to correct me if I'm going to state anything wrong here. So um when we're talking about a restaurant, there's a 50/50. I think you alluded to it. So 50% of sales has to be food. 50% of sales have to be um alcohol. Does not have to. At least 50% has to be food. At least 50%. That doesn't have to be 50. Something under 50%.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that. Um but on uh and and so there's a description of what what is a restaurant, but it is a requirement that it's probably the most um straightforward requirement is that 50/50 rule. Is it safe to say on the banquet side, the only requirement that we have for a banquet is that there's a full kitchen where food is served? Yes.

Where food is served. So, so technically um and I know you stated that you were going to do everything by contract. Um, I guess I'm worried about um you being placed in an awkward position for whoever is going to rent uh to take advantage of you maybe um in that um that that simply becomes a place where uh alcohol is served and where uh so basically it seems to me like it would be more of a tavern at that point. Um that that that it could be just that. So I I want to book my event there, but uh or am I whatever it it is to be called. Uh I'm going to book that and um I'm going to um to to have the ability then to uh not have any food basically because if I don't order any food, there's no requirement that it has to be just that the kitchen is available.

The the intention is that food would also be served. Okay. Um but I I guess then um so so that kind of comes down to um how we compare other businesses um that that are similar in nature. So in terms of a restaurant and I know we we had um the petition is listing hours from 11:00 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. and you I think you might have expressed some willingness that you probably wouldn't be open that late. Um

no. So, the hours are not 11:00 a.m. to 1:30. So, it's it's 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. for restaurant hours that's open to the public. Okay. Renting the for banquetss is it's um I think uh we did anywhere from 11:00 a.m. Um well, by appointment basically, you will rent it per contract in 4hour increments up to We'll be there till 1:30, but I more than likely the events will end at midnight because we will have to clean up. That's why we're there to 1:30. But no events wouldn't be past midnight. So I was looking into some other places u banquet places and and I found out that that and you know every just because another business is doing it doesn't mean you have to do it but um but those businesses um are are don't book a banquet party after 10 p.m. So in other words they they stop serving uh food andor alcohol at 10 p.m. and nothing after that. that that may be what they do, but that would if if if I'm doing a Christmas party and say if they want to have a evening Christmas party and I I'm giving 4-hour increments, well, I don't want to tell them where your event has to be. And then I think we also talked about due to respect for some of the other um businesses next door to me. I didn't want to clog up the parking lot with having events during the time that they were open. So that's why I pushed back on the time sum and said that we'll be out of there. So if I'm having large events, I would preferably want to do those between 8 and midnight when I know all the other businesses around me are closed or they're done for for that day. Um things that we're considering doing during the day is like like I stated, classroom, teaching in services, um corporate parties, uh different teachings, things like that. Our larger events we will try to do towards the evening when most of the other businesses are gone already to be fair for parking spaces.

So in the packages and do you have packages that that you can describe or or that you're going to offer? If you want to have a birthday party, say this was your birthday event. When you come in and you're doing a package, we'll talk about the timing, how many hours you want. Um food has to be included. The food package is is going to be included. You could decide if you want the floating bar. So then now we'll have a floating bar on that side where a bartender stays in the room with your party during the duration of your party. You can decide that. You decide on your decorations. Um what do you want? Tablecloths, how many tables and chairs? How large is the party? Just like you would book any other event. It's this exactly the same.

So you're going to have uh like a satellite bar that you're going to serve out of in that location. Is that what you're saying? Yes. So the bar is already going to be affixed and attached to one area on the floor. That's a permanent structure. Exactly. So you can't move that. So if if I'm having a party, an adult party of course um where we're serving liquor to people 21 and over, we would have like a little cart or like a floating bar where the u staff member will be there um and serving to those people. Would anybody there uh have their own check? Say it again. Would anybody there have their own check? Would they be paying at point of sale? Have their own What do you mean? Like a So no, the

I'm a person that came there and um you know, maybe I'm gonna you're uh I've been invited, but um if someone orders or someone wanted to pay for their drinks, are they going to pay for their drinks in that location in in the banquet area?

It's a possibility they could. If the person wants a cash bar, then that means that we'll have to charge their um their uh party for those drinks at the time they walk up, show their ID, get served the drink, and then that's that. It's a that's called a cash bar. If they want a cash bar, yes, but if they want to include it into their banquet price, we can do that as well. So, I I've been to a lot of banquetss and I I I don't remember any place that I've gone um where there um was was payment for food and or drink. Uh but, you know, I'm I'm saying you're saying that this might be different. Um I I guess I'm just really struggling then um with the hours uh for that length of time um to where those events um seem like they they could be earlier in the evening. uh especially with regard to to like a dinner kind of having food um dinner um um way before midnight and um so I'm just kind of uh struggling in that regard. Um, so I I

it's not necessarily the dinner before midnight because it's just like if you went to a wedding or let me see I I was maybe we went to a wardy program for the Urban League at the uh Renaissance Hotel, per se. It was an evening event because most of us work during the day. We have businesses. We work during the day. So they're just like if anyone has a business, they work during the day. You want to have a party, I want it from 8 to midnight. All of my workers are now off work and now they can attend the Christmas party that I'm having. Um, it's not necessarily we have to serve food late at night. It's like any other event. We'll come around as caterers. Of course, everybody eat before then. It's the mingling or uh partying or whatever you do and then we're cleaning up and then we're getting out of there. I think that's where we're not um necessarily saying that we're gonna have people in there eating dinner all night long. No, it's just like any other party that you have. If you have it at your home, you'll have a party, you'll have your designated staff there serving food or drinks or whatever it is, and you guys are just mingling or conversating or whatever you do at a party. That's what that's what will be taking place.

Um, I think I see some other lights. That's all the questions I have for for at least for now. Councilman Meganelli. Thank you, Mr. President. Welcome. Um, I still have some uh questions on the banquet side and then on the restaurant side. I'll we'll keep with the banquet since that's where we're at. Um, you made the same of um the events more than likely going, you know, till midnight, till 12:00 a.m. Uh, say if I want to come in at 9:00, are you going to let it go to one? No.

Okay. Um, you uh you have an event that goes till midnight. When is last call? Last call is probably going to be about 11 11:15 because we got to cut it off and we want our goal is to get everybody out of there by midnight ourselves because I'm quite sure my staff doesn't want to be there to 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning trying to clean up and prepare for the next day for a party. Okay.

Yeah. and and you know, um I I do have I've I've been to many receptions, many uh events, they they've all ended at at at 10:00. And I don't I don't see the problem with, you know, if the people want to stay, you know, there's places that are open later, they could move down the road. Um, I I I worry about a a big disruption to the neighborhood because if somebody's been, you know, been out till midnight or even till 10, they're going to leave and they're going to be noisy in the parking lot.

Um, during the time of my events, I think I stated before that we will have security and that's just the way of the world. So, I don't I don't foresee that as a problem because our security job is to make sure everybody gets in their car, no hanging out in the front of the building on the parking lot and things of that nature. And I'm not planning on having any type of events that will suit those kind of people. I think based on the decorations that we're doing, if you want to pay $5,000 for a party and get it shut down because your um friends or family members don't know how to behave, then hey, you just lost $5,000. So, I think the type of crowd or the people that I'm looking for are not those type of people that don't know how to follow directions or rules or, you know, just outright kind of party and I don't want that kind of thing going on.

Would that then negate the need for security to be there if they follow the rules and every, you know, for me, I like safety. My my rule of thumb is it's better to have and then not to have and need it. So, that's just me. I mean, just that's just my rule of thumb. I've been to plenty of events. It's not that something's going to be going on, but I just like order, if that makes sense. If we're ending at 12, I just want everybody to know that we're ending at 12 and it's time to go. Yeah. Okay.

Without someone saying like me or one of the workers have it seemed like when people see uniform and authority, they seem to conform better. That's just my thought. Okay. Um Okay. I said the the restaurant side. Uh I looked at our P iPads busted or whatever. I still look at the drawings and it shows banquet on both sides. What side is the restaurant going to be?

So this is the restaurant side here. But the reason that it says banquet. Say for instance if we're closed over here and say for instance we want to have a small event over here where the bar is already placed. we don't necessarily have to push them to this room if it's a event that we can do over here and they don't want the decorations and all of that. They just want the table cheers and all of that. I think that's why we put like basically saying that we can do banquet on either side. Okay. What happens to the people that want to come and dine in the restaurant?

We won't have a banquet when it's open to the public. It'll only be when it's closed to the public. the but the restaurants open 11 to 10. We say 11 to 10, but we're not too for sure if that's going to be our hours even on Saturdays and Sundays. That's another thing I wanted to ask about. I want to open earlier on Saturdays and Sundays for breakfast and close earlier, maybe like seven. Okay. Um what what are your menu items going to be for the restaurant? Southern cuisine. something like your um lamb chops, grits, eggs, waffles. Um uh yeah, I was going to say, do you have a menu? Pasta. Do you have a menu developed yet?

I don't have a menu developed, but I can give you um pictures of like some of the stuff that we kind of will be creating and the type of like cocktails and stuff that we'll be serving. I have uh the pictures for some of the the food items. Like for instance, that's like a steak and shrimp with you. See it? H kind sort of. That makes sense. Like a serving turf right there. Kind of like the steak, the shrimp, the potatoes, and the asparagus. Things like that. Um we're looking for more of our um signature cocktails and stuff of that nature. like some kind of more on a five star kind of level. We're not looking for um that's your lobster tails. And then we have um like pasta and stuff like that.

Okay. All right. That's good. All right. That's that's all I have. Thank you, Mr. President. Councilman Agan, I'm going to be really quick. Uh will you offer packages without food? Said it again. Will you offer packages without food? Probably not because we have to have the 50% of food. So, it won't be Yeah. If I have an event and I want to book a Christmas party, but I I don't want to do any any booze. Can the people go and buy booze? No. You can't bring any liquor inside of my establishment. It has to be in house.

I think you missed what I said. I throw a party for my friends for Christmas, but I said, "Hey, I'm not paying for anyone's booze. Can they go over the bar site and buy their own booze? Yeah, that's that's fine. It's called cash bar. That's a cash bar. It's like at a wedding if you if they have a cash bar. So then they don't necessarily you will always offer the cash bar regardless of whether there's alcohol package or not. If it's an alcohol package, there's no need for the cash bar. But if it's not, yes, they can they can have the cash bar. I don't get any further.

And that's because like if I throw a party, I may not want I don't drink for instance. I don't drink alcohol. So if I'm throwing a party, I'm not paying for alcohol for the entire party because I don't drink. So I want my if you drink, you you buy your alcohol. That's kind of like how it goes. Okay. Thanks. Any other uh comments or questions before we Okay, Councilman O'Donnell.

Thank you, Mr. President. I I would um I'm sorry. I'm just real uncomfortable with that midnight. Um I I just have a sense of of of just things not um let me say that that there have been other businesses that had similar types of um entities. So, we've got um music, we've got alcohol, we've got dancing, we've got u all this. And let me just say right now, I'm I'd be in favor of any of those. And I I would have fun doing all of those things. But I think we've kind of discussed and we we actually passed an ordinance um relative to uh taverns that u sometimes with that kind of a a mix, it can uh evolve uh into something different. And and that's kind of what I'm concerned by here, especially when I'm hearing about uh cash bars and um people can buy drinks at one place uh or both places uh on either side.

No. Um let finish, but no. If you if you're having a party, we literally are stationed in the room where you are. It's no need for you to go outside over to the bar because we'll be stationed in that particular room with a person. So they could buy drinks right there. Exactly.

Okay. So that's part of that's uncomfortable with me because in a banquet sense I think where you're worried about uh people behaving and things like that. I think when part of the package is that that's included and someone has paid uh for food and drink uh between these hours uh so many hours that they book it. Um when it's earlier in the evening, it seems like it's um a better outcome. And and and I'm just one person. So, um I I'd love for you to to be successful and I I as far as the restaurant goes, if we were doing a restaurant and you were um going to have this as as a a room that you would um have special um decorations and things for um people that that came in that reserved that room. Um I think all that would be great, but designated as the banquet center and going till midnight is just uncomfortable for me. Um, so I don't know if we could um amend to put something different if or is is that pretty much you feel like that's the only part of your business that you could do is is midnight.

Yes, because I'm running a restaurant during the day and then if someone wants to book a party, we want to make sure that that's successful and the restaurant constituents are gone and again the parking for the other people that are in that plaza. I don't want to be the bad guy and consume all the parking during the daytime where people can't run their business successfully. I I have a business on the back end of that business. So, I'm quite sure I have things run on that parking lot. Nothing really goes on. Um I think the pool hall stays open to midnight some nights and things of that nature. We never really have anything big going on over there on that particular side. Um besides sometimes people are like of course my business vandal right knowing it and things of that nature if nobody's out there but other than that we don't really have much going on I don't think it will be an issue at all.

So you basically your request would be to have the option till midnight no matter what then? Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you Mr. President. That's all I have. Okay. I don't see any more lights on. Thank you for answering your question. No problem. I'm coming down with not something but you know just I don't know the weather changing on us and it'll be 70° tomorrow and 50° 30° today. We can let you sit down. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, we have a uh a motion and a second for a second reading. All in favor?

Any opposed? Ordinance authorizing a special use permit to Taste by R&B LLC for the operation of a banquet center and restaurant at 11271 1133 North Highway 67 in the B3 Extensive Business District. Is there a motion for a third reading? I will move for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Egan. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

Ordinance authorizing a special use permit to Taste by R&B LLC for the operation of a banquet center and restaurant at 11:27 1133 North Highway 67 in the B3 Extensive Business District. Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none, clerk, please pull the council for the final vote. O'Donnell, I'm so sorry. I just have Pagano.

Sam. Yes. Harris. Yes. Manganelli. No. Egan. Yes. Caputo. No. She'll draw. We have a tie, which means it fails. In this case, the motion has failed.

Very sorry. Okay. Uh the next item is new business. Are there any council appointments? Okay. Uh, are there any mayors? Okay, there's no appointments this evening. Uh, bills for first reading. Bill number 10187, ordinance authorizing the mayor into an agreement with St. Louis County, Missouri to provide an officer assigned to the St. Louis County Crisis Intervention Team as a requirement of the 2024 state crisis intervention grant program.

Councilman Shelder moved for a second reading. Seconded by E again. Is there any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Ordinance authorizing the mayor into an agreement with St. Louis County, Missouri to provide an officer assigned to the St. Louis County Crisis Intervention Team as a requirement of the 2024 state crisis intervention grant program. Councilman Caputoa moves for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Manganelli. Roll call vote, please. O'Donnell, yes. Pagano, yes. Sam, yes. Harris, yes. Manganelli, yes. Egan, yes. Caputo, yes.

Shieldra, yes. Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none. Clerk, please pull the council for the final vote. O'Donnell, yes. Pagano, yes. Siam, yes. Harris, yes. Manganelli, yes. Egan, yes. Caputo, yes. Shield, yes. Bill number 10187 passes and becomes ordinance number 9179. Bill number 10188,

ordinance to authorize a special use permit for a restaurant with a drive-thru and repainting brick at 2825 North Highway 67 in a B3 extensive business district. Bill number 10189. Ordinance of the city of Florescent, Missouri, granting a franchise to operate a natural gas distribution system within the city to Spire Missouri Incorporated. Bill number 10190, ordinance establishing the 2026 capital projects fund and committing excess general fund reserves for projects assigned to the fund. The next item on the agenda is council announcements. Councilman Eden,

thank you very much. I'll be quick. March 15, 2026, St. Patrick's Day Committee will host a huge event in city floor. We'll start with a leprechaun dash at 5K run at 9:00. leaving from the Knights of Columbus Duchain Council grounds. We will have a parade that goes down St. Francis Street leaving from Banker Park at noon. And we from uh 1:00 till 6:00, we'll have a huge festival really real kid friendly at the Knights of Columbus Duche Council grounds number 50 St. Francis. Thank you, Councilman Caputo.

Thank you, Mr. President. Yes, sir. Um, we're coming up on a season where there'll be a lot of construction work coming up, especially on the road. So, make sure you're um, conscious of that and be aware of all the construction on the road and be cautious of the workers. Make sure to let them do their job. So, in the long run, I know it's a pain. It's an inconvenience for us, but in the long run, it will be a lot better and our streets will be in better shape. Thank you. Are there any other council announcements this evening? I see none. Uh, Mayor Lowry, just two Oops, sorry. There you are.

Just two quick announcements. First, we're going to have a community meeting in conjunction with Amaran for the St. J's easement purchase information. We'll be here at the council chambers on March the 4th at 6 p.m. And then we'll have a party on the ice for third to fifth graders at the Egan ice rink on Saturday, March 7th from 6:30 to 8:30. That's all I have tonight. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. The next regular meeting for the city council will be on Monday, March 9th, 2026. Councilman Capuda moves to adjourn the regular meeting. Seconded by Councilman Schroth. All in favor? Any opposed? The meeting is adjourned.

Thank you. Thanks. No, she didn't. We're still here till it's 9:00.