Council - Regular Meeting

on crawl. Thank you, Greg. You're welcome. House cookies. Jan got us all set up. Cookies, Jan. Thank you.

Huh? What should I do? You want some? Got you.

There's chips. There's chips there, too. Chips. Mike giving me a crash course.

Yeah, this is our first day. This will be a boring part. Can I ask you a question before we get started? How accurate are your numbers? The reason why I asked you is because this is like two months behind. So I wasn't sure if you're like, "Oh yeah, these are updated as of May one." I guess define accurate like it's okay. I'll figure it out.

As far as like the actual I don't know. I only have what Lexi gave me which was was it April when you gave or March. Okay. So the actual numbers are March and then whatever's beyond that item just you're fine since so I guess if that answers your question. Yeah. So, start.

I don't It's where you guys want to start. So, this So, I didn't update cuz we have Okay. So, like we have Madding. So, that shows her in here. One of our applicants. Um I ended up taking out which isn't reflected on this miner off because he failed to sight the valve. Uh but we have two applicants. Um so if you see in the yellow at the bottom where it says GIN, so they are a certified officer. So they would come in a little higher and with her college degree. So that number changed a little bit from what's in the book because I did this couple weeks ago when I put this together. So between her stuff and potentially again and mind you, we still have to do the background all the stuff on that. So the red is slightly higher than what was budgeted. So

So you asking for another race? So since you're asking so when we put this together in the pay study and the reason I budgeted for I'm not asking but the reason I budgeted this way is remember we instead of doing it by the anniversary date we were doing it by July 1 for everybody the steps you yeah so and the steps so be so that's why I budgeted it that way and I put it in there to look at it that way so is everybody's proposed step increase. Is that what this is? So green is current and then if we follow what we're doing with July one that would be the proposed.

So that is that's what each of these showing the next step up next step up which I thought was that already in these numbers. Yeah. I don't I don't know what cuz I I haven't seen what Lexi gave you guys. So I don't know literally what you sent me is all I gave. I was just question because I know the other ones are showing their normal step increases. So this Yeah. So compared to the ones we just So the the proposed is this the normal step the two and a half.

Got following what we did with the step pay increase stuff. Um, all right. So, how you guys want to start? So, this page here is kind of just breaking down the lines a little bit. Unless you want to go line by line is your preference. Line by line is I guess is easy. All right. Then we can kind of bounce to this one. That's just me.

So, uh 1051100 through 180. That's your personnel stuff. So salaries, wages, occurred wages, impacts, overtime. Um in the impact overtime, I didn't put anything in there. I reached out to the folks down Cheyenne with um industrial sitting commission. None of the projects that we have testified for and have been approved for are starting in this budget according to them. So I zeroed those out. So when you look at the I colorcoded it. So the 2526 you'll see that we did have some money budgeted in there. So there was under 111 was 56,000 and 105 was 9,000. So that's why those are zeroed out. I left the overtime where it's at. Um, again, actual like we're at 22 well as of March. So, I know there's more overtime that's been taken out. So, I don't know. Like, we've been short staffed. We're short staffed. Now, granted, I'm covering shifts right now on salary, so we don't pay me overtime. Um, but like Norm, Blue, Bri, we'll be seeing some overtime between now and the end of um, you know, June. So my my thought was leave it at 40,000. Um we'll have you know a couple new hires. Uh so Severson who formerly worked for us he wants to come back. So he's going through the background process right now. Uh and then if interviews on Friday depending how that goes well like so that was my thought. 40,000. Um the medical were we still at the was it 168 I think is what you were telling me roughly

you think oh I don't know I don't know is that the number I gave you I think so because that's what I put in here because I know we were like 14 and some change 1450 and I know you were talking like an 8 to 9% % increase or something and you you threw out like 168ish. So that's what I put in here. I don't know what the actual number ended up being. So that if it lower than that changes that number.

Um it's well for dental and vision and the medical it's 14424. Um, but some of those fluctuate a little bit depending on what package was picked and I'm not sure how many people that's based on. So,

okay. So, that so technically that number would probably be lower than the 168 because I know you were talking increase. So, if we're at 14 44 pull a calculator out run it through my head right now. So it 168. So let's cowboy mouth it and just say 1500. So that would end up being only 153. So 15 if we say a 153 because if some have higher or different whatevers at 13 that's 198

times 13 13 full time 198 198 300 and so at what's on here that would be 19,100 difference so it' be lower by 191. If we use a lower number than what I put in be like 28. I got three different sheets. I don't know what she say again.

1983 under health. So, sorry. I'm running off this one for health for each employee where on this one over here it's you kind of got because I included pretty much everything in in health where over here it's broke out where you have medical dental li or yeah here so

so You're saying we got 218400. Both of our budget sheets are showing 226 226,000 for that. So 8,000 lower is what I'm hearing. I remember she gave me the 16. I understand. I'm just trying to make sense because so many different pieces here. Yeah. And the two Well, okay. So the 226 is that was that calculated with that other position still in play? I honestly don't know. I I don't remember because I that was in the old budget because we wouldn't pay that in the

unless you took the 217 932 times 9% maybe. I don't know. 226. I think we're going to have to have this redone. Yeah, that's I don't I'm not going to feel comfortable no matter where I hear what this number is going to be in the end.

Yeah. I don't know where that 226 came from. So there um so other than medical I think the rest of like FICA and workman's comp those are all calculated in um retirement. Um I put that in. So at the bottom of this one is the overtime. So the overtime and then whatever the type of workman's comp retirement kind of fit. uh it can vary because if Norm's working an overtime versus say our new hire here like that's going to change but it's hard to predict because I I can't tell you who's going to have overtime through the next 12 months. Um,

did you mean not to put anything in 1909? Employee selection and hiring. Yeah, we haven't put anything in there since 2022. Okay.

Um, I don't remember why there was something in 2022. Um, so professional services and I think maybe that's what we did is we started moving into professional services cuz like your psyche valing stuff. So to answer your question, yes. Um, all right. Do So you ready to move on to dues and subscriptions? All right. So that line went up um from what we've been at. Um some of that is the report narrative AI that we just adopted. So that's a dues and subscriptions. So when you flick over to that, so under the section, it kind of talks about all the different things that we're paying for. So we got risk.net, um ILFI, ICP, ICP net, Adobe Pro. This Adobe Pro DC records clerk uses heavily because they do redactions with reports. So when people are requesting reports and they need redactions, so she uses that. The PMI evidence uh is in the evidence room for the tracking of evidence in cases. Um Guardian Alliance is a new thing that we've started using for our background checks. A lot of the agencies use that now. It tracks CSP uses it. high patrol Gillette Jackson um it's sped up quite a bit of our time doing background checks because as an example if DEA puts all of you down as references the the program instead of having to send individual emails to all the references and stuff can you can blanket everybody through the PHQ it

tracks the percentage of where you're at in the backgrounds and stuff um the so IPCP net um is so you got policies um basically there's how many thousands of policies that are available to look through. So anytime we look at policies there's forums in there. So if you're dealing with employee issues, new cases it it's a networking with other chiefs and sheriff's tool um kind of stuff. Let's see. Um the leads online which I didn't put in the description but leads online's one the one we use. So um anytime we like a shopping or not shopping but a theft issue. So say Chad gets a tool or something stolen with a serial number leads online. So statutoily all the pawn shops have to report to it. So we can go in and search. We had we had one really good case. U it was a hit in Lincoln, Nebraska with tools that were stolen out of a trailer. So it kind of shows the reach that leads goes to um so that's dues and subscriptions. Any other questions? Okay. Uh registrations and training. So that's that's all our training. Now we did budget 20,000. We didn't use 20,000 because we didn't really get anybody to the academy because that was part of why we budgeted for that with the new hires. Um that was a hard one to really budget for because we we we do training. we've got some open positions and um so I kind of back and forth and I said well I settled on 15 so it's a

little bit less with the idea of um and filling these positions if we have one or two that need to go to the academy we have that plus we have some for the advanced training that we'll do throughout the year um you know how much is the academy

we had that discussion last year was it's around like 3,400 or something. I don't remember exactly. Um because you've got you got to buy like the frangible ammunition whether you buy it for the agency or you pay the academy plus their some meals and whatever. Um just traditionally we haven't cleared 10 on that line item. Yeah, it's it's been a struggle the last couple years with short staffing to get people. Um, you know, now the caveat, we just lost two pretty senior people who have a lot of positions that need replaced. Um, so like officer, former officer Haw was our custom control instructor. he was our evidence room custodian and um and an FTO, you know, and so with bringing in, you know, backfilling all these new positions, somebody's going to have to start stepping in those roles and it takes training and money to get them trained in those positions. So I now will some of these people do it in the next 12 months if we can get them filled potentially. you know, somebody who's certified and gets off TFTO. So, like officer Welch when she gets off her FTO wants to do the evidence room. Um, so in I guess July they have an Ebitech room or an EBTE class in Casper and then we'll have to do an evidence room custodian class. Um, so she would be one coming into that.

Um, I guess I'm curious, could we go to 12 on that one? We're at five now. Could any of that like be used out of this year's money to be paid for which would allow us to lower next year?

Probably not at this point because a lot of that stuff's so far out it would be hard for me to plan and pay for it and guarantee somebody being there. Um I and like I worked pretty hard to cut back because my initial submission was uh what 76 77,000 less than the current budget to cut back and that was part of that you know looking at numbers and trying to make it realistic and training was the hardest one because you know it's something we have to do we need to do so I I if we want to kind of stew on it come back to that maybe as we move through I think with all the new hires and I mean you guys are at half staff and the requirements of trying to get all these people back certified back to where we were. I think we need to keep it at that 15 is where I'm at of just we've got going to have such a big intake in people and trying to get all of these people certified to where we were. It's I feel like it's going to be a big year in training trying to get everybody back to where they should be

because we lost so many.

Kind of pivoting off what Chad brought up. So like Chad um Luke So Luke was So Luke and I are the CBSA examiners. We got our research extended. So two weeks ago I went to Boulder. Luke is paid for, but the travel and hotel and that stuff will come out of this this this budget we're talking about even though the training is paid for. So that one, yes, some of it's paid for in this budget because it wasn't feasible for both of us to go to Boulder with short staffness. So he's extended to go to Salt Lake Resert, which is in the next budget. Um, moving on, uh, lodging and meals, that's typically a tie to the registration. It's probably low for the cost of that anymore. Um,

can you put that at zero? No, you should be at Where at? 1,800. 1,800. Yeah. Um Oh, I'm off one. I was looking at um so we're now this 1330 actual doesn't reflect like going to Boulder with the hotel. It's a little too much behind.

Yeah. So it's it's behind. So we honestly we might be slightly over that line just from me going down there at this point. Um, but I, you know, again, trying to be conservative because trying to do some here and if Luke's the only one that's traveling outside, you like going to Boulder, I mean, outside of the fuel going down, I paid for everything else out of my own pocket going down. I paid for the bills that's not on town. Um, so it so I again, that's a conservative number. It's probably going to be under to a degree. um office supplies. So I up that a little bit. Um so again that's you know pens, paper, ink, you know that kind of you know all the stuff they use in office. Um kind of searching the internet looking at the the pundits there's a projection or projection of 2.5% increase in office supply costs. Um some of that you know due to tariffs and or you know whatever is driving the market the higher fuel costs right now um at some point will change um some of those costs I can't predict it um and I think where we

currently at 2700 last year we spent 3600 yeah um I just was 200 and whatever like and again actual isn't correct you know, because I've been buying some more than normal because we're over there versus here. Um the so if you want to lower it, we can. Um I I think actual we're probably closer to four right nowish without really going through the numbers. Well, as you get back closer to full staff, that's going to go up too usage. So, yeah,

I think what'll just leave it where it is. Um, let's see. Printing.

Um, it's like, let's see. Printing 3000. So where do we what the actual is because I just spent printing that's 310. Um so I know that the actual is not actual. Um so like I just spent $700. We're we're getting some new door stickers for um to use for like nuisance baitments and stuff. We're going to try something instead of the carbon copy stuff and trying to use tape. We're going to go to a self- adhesive type sticker that will stick to the door versus having to carry tape and stuff. Um, so we've got that expense and then there's something else that we just ordered. Was it warnings? Yeah. So, I think printing we're and again as we get back to staff that'll get used up more. um safety equipment uniforms. I left it where it's at. I know that actual isn't totally accurate because I just between uh Welch there's probably 6 or 700 in uniform stuff that we just spent for Welch that we didn't have. Our new gal sitting behind me here, there's some stuff I'm going to have to order for her because we don't have pants and size. Um u but again with new hires you know not knowing what we will or won't have that fits those people come in we'll have to upit or outfit them a little bit. Um uh let's see um so safety equipment you know like handcuffs and you know batons and flashlights. That's kind of the stuff

that comes out of that. um telephone. That's the data for the MDTs. I haven't seen any increases coming from AT&T. They haven't said anything. So, that should be a pretty solid um number. Um if anything probably could decrease that because that one position um we won't need the data for that MDT and it's it 40 uh sorry I haven't had a chance to think about how much that is. It's like 40 is it $42 a month per line of service?

I'm not sure. I just see the total bill. um let's just say 40 time 12. So technically we could probably reduce that line by say $480 give or take. Um I didn't calculate that at the time because I wasn't thinking about that. I was just looking through the budget. Um yeah, so we could take out $48 there. I think that would be comfortable. Um, postage. Did you say 408 or 80? 80. 80. Okay. 80.

Yeah. Which line? Excuse me. Which line? Telephone. 330. Mhm.

Um, postage. Um, I reduced that some because we're at 600. actual three and whatever's been spent over the last couple of months. Um, with the door stickers and stuff that may not need to go up any so I kind of left it reduced from the 600 we initially budgeted last year. Um, and then beyond like nuisance stuff, any certified letters that we have to send people with cases or anything, it's kind of what that covers. um first aid supplies. Um part of the reason that's down cuz we haven't been downstairs in our normal working area for a while. So those medical people aren't needing to refill those things, the boxes and stuff downstairs. So that's why that number's lower if at some point we ever get normaly back and not living in chaos. Um, so I left 500 in there just because those things will get used at some point

because you'll need to catch up at some point

probably. Yeah. Um, uh, the professional services. Um, so we budgeted 1,200. Um, now mind you, there's so we're at 57 97 back in March. Since then, I've got two psyche vowels because another one I just turned in today. Um, so I kind of looked at it and said, "All right, well, we've got couple positions refilled." Um, couple more like, so I I budgeted 4,000. Trying to just be conservative in that number. It's there's a chance we could go over it at the end because it's like I can't predict who will like Merhov we didn't think he was going to be an issue like so far everything in the background was looking good looking good and then two days ago I got the email when he did a psyche vow it says unsuitable and so at that point you know we're the guardian you know we paid you know we got that expense um and looking at psych Thank you, Val. It's a good thing that he was found on SUL because they found some issues. Um, so I could we go up? We probably could, but I'm just trying to be conservative with it. Um, vehicle expenses. This is a really hard one for me to

You keep breaking stuff.

It's not that we're breaking it, it's Dodge. Um, I don't think I will ever buy another freaking Dodge vehicle ever. Um, so like you know, uh, we had the one with the transmission issue that sat up at Fremont for your well 10 months and I took it down to Bob Rerts and they said, "Oh, yeah, you need a transmission." So corporate says, "Oh, well, because you picked it up from the dealer, it's had a warranty." And I said, "Well, your dealer said it was fixed." And clearly it's not fixed. So, we still ended up eating $1,700 on a transmission that should have been covered by them. Uh, talked to Aaliyah quite a bit back and forth about getting the attorneys involved and she's like, "Well, paying the $1,700 is cheaper than me at 200 and whatever getting involved." So, I elected, okay, I elected to do it. Well, now it's back at Bob RS because last week, um, while Ian's truck is sitting over here, well, I decided what we're going to try to do with that thing. Um, it was stuttering. Um, you know, like when you're breaking and having issues. So, they found some misfires and stuff. So, they're looking at that. I also asked them to look at the torque converter, um, you know, as they were doing all that stuff with the transmission. So, we've got 71 and as we get back to the vehicle replacement site. So, 71. Uh, now luckily it was all covered warranty, but third engine it's at 54,000 mi and we have a kill switch and I made them put a new battery in it when they did the last engine because it sat there so long. It was like four months waiting on this new engine. So, our battery got drained. They weren't making it charged. So, they put a new battery in it. We brought it back over here. Seems to be running fine. It got parked because we don't have anybody to use it right now. So, we hit the master kill switch. Even with that killing the

entire vehicle, the battery is not holding a charge. I went over, I put jumper cables and a jump box on it, it was still not enough to turn that vehicle over. And with it being on its third engine, um, that's one of the ones I'm thinking we should probably think about getting rid of it because it's lower miles. We'll get a higher trade in. We'll talk about that as we get later into it. Ian's truck. We just spent $12,000 putting a new engine in it. All the excessive idle time. So, something I learned two weeks ago. Um, interestingly enough, it was via an article about Chevy. So, Chevy was talking about all their engines and their special patrol unit built stuff, uh, engines blowing up and all that stuff. So, they're equating it was the excessive idle and they did some research. So, the oils in these new vehicles, you know, like we're used to Most of them still have gray hair, right? Yeah. So, old vehicles were like

1030 and 1040 oil, you know, weights in oil, right? The heavier oils. So, the the newer stuff is like 020, 520. So, it doesn't stick as well. So, after reading that article, I was like, wait a minute. So, I went back and started researching the Dodge side of it and holding, oh my gosh, there it is. Because all these Dodges are either a zero weight or 510 or whatever it is, which we've been following the specs per Dodge, right? Well, with that excessive idle and the Hemis are not supposed to be idle. Cornell's reading and they are suggesting, oh yeah, by the way, well, nothing's ever been put out by Dodge. This is by the way, for cop cars, you should probably consider the 520 weight. So, I learned that about that. So, the the Dodge the truck um that was part of why the engine got replaced was through the excessive idle time. So, we did all that. I hadn't flushed the transmission. So, now there's something up with the shifter, which it could just simply be an ECM issue um to some degree. So, looking up ECM's, you know, whatever the labor is plus maybe $600 in in the part. I don't know if that's the only issue. So I'm waiting till the one in we gets addressed before we take this one down because I'm not going to use Fremont at this point anymore after all the problems we've had with them. So coming back to the equipment expense, we're over the line. I don't know what to predict whether what's going to break down or not break or blow up in the next 12 months.

Talking of vehicles. Vehicles. Yeah. Vehicle maintenance line. So what you're saying is this crap shoot? Yeah. Um I'd love to stay at 30 and say yep. Now the nature of what we do public wants us to respond. We have to have vehicles working conditions. We are looking at getting two new ones. Right.

I I am. So, and I equated that is I thought this I spent a month in my mind thinking about what to budget for this because I'm like, okay, if we replace two vehicles, would the line, you know, can we be lower? That was the idea of trying to keep our fleet modern, replacing them two a year. And we were doing really good till this last like year. and like we we weren't having tons of repairs. So I I kind of settled at the 35 because with the 32 which you was a couple months ago. Um so we're probably right close to that and by the time we get this one back from Wheatland, we'll probably actually be over the 35 by the end of June. I I'd love to be a lower number. I'm not crossing my fingers and holding my breath on it.

Even if we get two new ones, it's going to take us a while to get them in and get them in action. So, we're going to have to keep what we got going till then. So, I think we better keep it pretty close to what he's got down here. 35. Um, I mean, we can go lower and then if we go over the budget later, like we might have to visit. I don't know. Like, but that's why I put 35 in there because I just looking at the issues we've been having like Norm's. So, we have one unit, uh, Norm's old unit. Um, it's on its second engine at I think there's 42,000 miles. um these ones that are getting these engines. So there was that recall was it two years ago there was something to do with there was some part that they had to change out that deals with the oil whatever. Um I'm not going to try to explain it right now but so that unit like we have it it's on its second engine right now it's running fine. I I say I I'm not holding my breath with any of these. like my my unit is the only one that hasn't had a significant issue since we've owned it. Uh just recently cuz when it got real warm there what six, seven weeks ago, I hit the air conditioner and I started getting weird vibrations and I was due for a battery because the original was not holding the charge very long. Like if I didn't disconnect the emergency equipment within a day, it wouldn't start moving enough. So between and and I didn't know that they have hydraulic engine mounts nowadays in these things. So it was 2500 some change just for that one. Um so that anyway so it's running good. Um I guess moving on while we're kind of

doing about numbers. So gas um I kept it where we're at. I mean actuals a little I mean it's higher than where we're at now. We've had some significant fuel spiking since Yeah. uh these numbers came out, you know, Google can't predict, you know, like when you get online, like you can look at all the the markets and stuff. There's no prediction whether they'll keep going up, level out, or go down. I So, I just kind of stuck with a little percentage increase because there was some talk about a 1 to 2%. I And again, bringing people on, you know, like we'll be using more fuel. There's too many variables involved. Yeah,

with trying to predict that. So, and number run with it. I don't want to be like highway patrol where we're just not patrolling because they're trying to dig out of an $ 8.5 million hole.

So, um so I left it at 412. I felt that was conservative even with the fuel spikes right now because by the time we onboard people, you know, we we could be into that new budget by the time we get anybody started with some of these other positions. Um, uh, let's see, equipment expense. Um, all right. So, I got to flip over to equipment. Um, let's see. There's expense, equipment expense. All right. So, like training ammunition, um, some of that stuff comes out of that. Evidence, supplies, like anytime we use evidence, we need to replace tape or bags or whatever. Um, but also why I've upped that or kept it at the well, my ask is 18. So, looking through um we have some radars. So, we just had the uh radar shop come in and do uh an annual certification. And it used to be done every year. I skipped it this year because I in eight years of being here, we I think we've had two people ever request the radar certifications in court. So, trying to save some money, I'm I'm I've moved to an every other year process. So this year or no sorry last budget we didn't do it. So this year we did it. Anyways with that we got some old radars that have been here for I don't know probably 14 15 years long before I got here that uh radar the the digital readouts in them aren't working properly. One had a radar issue and grant we can get them fixed but the cost of sending them in and those few components were spending half as much as just buying new ones. So, I I budgeted for some new replacement radars and so

that's why we're at the 18,000. Um, how much do those run, Mike?

You're going to love this one. They're not cheap. So, custom signal, uh, which is what we've been buying, uh, for the last units. Uh, per unit they're 28,4789. And so, I was looking at three units, which is 85, 43,67. Um, now I also looked at some, let's see, did I put it in here? Stalker. All right. So, stalker. Um, so the units have So, the ones that I want to replace have currently stalker units. So, I I weighed out the because they already have the cables in there. Will the cables, you know, would it be easier just to replace stalker to stalker? It could, but these cables been in there. There's been a lot of heat bending. You know, they've been through at least two units. I I we could we can go a stalker. It's 773550 um for three units over there. Uh what I'm hearing from the guys right now, they like the custom signals better. Um, so

$700 difference.

Yeah, it's it's $700. And so I I I stuck with the the custom signal because well, the other thing is Stalker, if you're looking at um they say lead time 45 working days, but they've been typically 60 to 90 days. And custom signals been on queue, like I get them before 40 days with with them from the ones we've been ordering. So I So that's part of why I did that. Um, I also thought about the uh, so we've been talking about speed those speed signs. You can put up like fixed speed signs. I've been kind of back and forth about putting one up here on Curtis. There's a poll kind of by the community center just to kind of help get people slowing down. They're between 35 and four grand. Um, so that's a part of this equipment expense. Um,

don't do it. But I have a question for you actually. So is the ammo that you guys are that that is being used at um the training center different in a sense in the ordering from what you're using on this one under the equipment expense? Uh, are you talking like the brand? What? My my thought is is is is all my thought I guess my thought is just that ammo should all come out of the equipment expense versus being split between two. I understand that it's because it's at the academy versus here in town.

Well, even the academy stuff. Well, if we buy academy ammo, which I don't do because they buy junk. Uh, as an example. So, a couple years ago, we had a couple people that went down there. We had brand new FN rifles that we bought here and we they went down there. It wouldn't function with their ammo and the academyy's like, "Oh, your rifles are junk." So, I had them all bring their stuff up here. Cast and I went through them. We cleaned them. I gave them our frangible ammo. Absolutely no problems. But for hers, to answer her question, you're not doubling it. So, the academy costs are separate. Not including ammo. Ammo is coming out this one. Yeah. So our frangible amu that I buy would come out of the equipment line that goes to correct if I

Yeah. So we're Yeah. So we're not doubling that. Now I have some on on hand. I don't think I would have to buy frangible for anybody that goes to the academy. I think I have enough downstairs for that. So the stuff that we would replace. So like u today you know Madden shot I don't know about 150 rounds give or take. Um, but last week we did a department spring qualification and a advanced shooting. And so between the few of us that are remaining right now holding line, we shot about 2,000 rounds. Right. You're fine. I was just trying to think if we could reduce one of the two lines, but it's it's it's okay.

Yeah. It and ammunition's going up. Actually, I used to buy Winchester uh white box out of California from the distributor because it was so much cheaper. Um but California due to their laws and taxes u it was cheaper to buy from um uh Utah it's it's I can't think of the acronym of the company but it was almost $60 cheaper to buy from them versus the California people. So it basically reversed because it used to be the other way around. I could buy 50 rounds of white box for basically 10 bucks out of California, but now it's significantly higher.

Okay. Um, yeah, with tariffs and all the other stuff, there's a projection of higher costs. Anyway, so that's equipment expense. Um, the base loads of it. Um, back up here. Um, vehicle licensing. I kind of just left it at because we that's the registration or what what did we pay? Because it says $63, but isn't it more than that for the last two units?

I'd have to go back and look. I think these are for the new units. Yeah. And I know it says 63 actual, but I didn't. Yeah. So, I just I threw $100 in line because it's vehicle registration. If we're doing units, we need something. I think it's $10. Um $10.

Um expenditures. Well, we've had a lot of that this year with not being in our workspace. Um one of the other expenditures we had, uh lens lock, our dash camera provider. So, we were having some struggles with downloading of stuff. Um, so I've been nagging them for probably eight months about like we've got to figure out how to get this to where it downloads better. So, they came up with this new antenna and they sent them to us. So, we had to the antennas were their cost, but we had to pay for the labor. So, some of that I took into an antenna expenditure in that line. And then with being up there like we were buying cords and stuff that we needed while we were up at the community center. So that's for all those things we can't plan for best. Um jail fees. Well, that was another tough one because they can't ever seem to get them to us timely. Um

so we're behind in that right now. They're

Yeah. Um, I got a letter. Um, so and I I gave this to U Vicki. So I just so she's aware. Um, so jail fees went up $3 a day. So we're at 154 per day now. We're still the most expensive county in the state to jail people. And unlike other counties like Cheyenne, so Laramie County doesn't charge Pine Bluffs as much as they charge say the city of Cheyenne, same thing. You know, like Gillette does the same thing. They don't charge as much, but here it's one one cost across the board. We're just stuck with it. So I thought about doing like Evston. So the when Evston, so the sheriff's office did something similar down there. So the Evston chief just started citing everything through the county court. So, they're having a little spat down there, but I don't want to have that spat up here because we all play well and work well together. Um, so I left it at 80 because I can't predict how many people may or may not go to jail in a year and because we're so far behind. Um, our PSC fees, I haven't seen anything from Lori if there's costs going up or down. I I kind of took the actual divide, you know, and I divided that by the seven months and said, "Well, here's where we're at. This is about what we're running." Now, that number will probably go up as we get to staff because when you have more staff, you have more traffic, etc. So, I just kind of left it at 80 for now, not knowing what or 115, sorry. Um, so actually, well, I reduced it a hair, so I took some money out of that. um the uh animal control line we significantly reduced um so part of that change so our

part-time person those wages I rolled up into salary and wages where initially I I kind of had them down here so it's going to basically cover some utilities food um so is that Britney yeah Britney at the bottom so okay yeah so Ian is in the general government scale. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So Britney's in there. Now she didn't get So when we did this pay raise stuff, she didn't get any pay raises through any of that. I didn't do that.

I did look at she's invaluable to what's working for us over there. So I did look at bumping her some and that's part of why this is in here to show that. And um cuz when we don't have any dogs, like we don't have any expense on the Britney end. Uh but between her and Susie, let me tell you, she's kind of nutty, but as a volunteer, those two are phenomenal at taking care of the animals over there. And um so it's it's been amazing. Anyway, so so animal control. So I I dialed that one back quite a bit. Um utilities were, you know, they've been kind of minuscule. So, some of the utilities would be in in that. Um, let's see. The insurance property and equipment, I think Janelle, I just stuck with we're because we're actual was 3150 and I think Janelle can answer that one better. So, I put it at 32. I don't know if we'll need to up it or not. Um, maintenance service agreements. So, our camera and our copier, that's what that is. Um, so we have a a body cams and our dash cams. That's at least um and uh and then the copier we pay so much per month. So those are in that line. Uh reimburseables, that's officers buying equipment stuff that they're paying back. Um Janelle coming back to maintenance and services or not maintenance service um insurance property and equipment

that's for your property insurance for the vehicles. Okay. Is so I put 3200 we need to be up a little bit. You know I I probably won't know until June what the actual dollars are because they're not due till the end of July. Okay. Um it's I guess um um All right. So I guess until June we won't know. All right. And so then lastly vehicles capital improvements. All right. Um hold on just maintenance services and agreements.

Which one down? Yeah. maintenance service and agreements. Yeah, that's lease for body cameras and dash cameras and then um cap Canon copier. Sorry, it's capital what's the name of the company? Capital um for the cop. Oh, capital business system. Capital business systems. So that's what comes out of that line. Why did it bump so much? Well, when we first did this, so when Chad was mayor at the time, we we p we did, was it three years up front? Yeah, something like that.

Like three years up front. Um to because we had extra money in the budget. So this is that it was the end of the three years. Okay. And this year is by the way and they didn't even give me Oh, by the way, this is the year because there was some some of that your lens lock too. Yeah, it's the lens lock. Um, and so I got a little blindsided because they had a change in billing and and then they didn't give us the notifications on their end. So that's why it's a jump. Um, so vehicles well this was a challenging one because I

I had my intent was to get rid of the two oldest vehicles in fleet trying to keep our stuff updated. Um, however, with 171 on his third engine not keeping a charge, there's some there nothing more infuriating than trying to get in a car that won't start. So, I feel like we should probably get rid of that one. Um, and then the 16 Ford, which is atund Well, it was 150,000. I think it's 156,000 miles now. Um, so I felt like those would be the two to cycle out at this point. Uh, talking to the dealer, the the new So new Fords are right about the same price. We paid what 49 basically 50,000. So I put 51 just as a kind of a buffer in there. So looking at tradein values, uh you'll see so 2021 Durango Kelly Blue Book, you know, you look at online, it says it's worth 24 to 30,000 trade in. I'm going to say we'll probably be in the 20,000 range. I could be pleasantly shocked um and get a little more out of it. Um the 16 Ford, the low end's 4,000, 7,000. So I'm going to stick with the 4,000. It's got some dings and some scratches on it um over the years. Um now the question is, so the upfitter says that almost all the equipment in the Durango would roll over to a new Durango allegedly. Now, it's a new body style, but I don't know if the frames are different, but

according to him, so if we go dodge to dodge, if if again, because nobody could pin it down and say that it really would be that way. Um, the crossover expense is like he said it probably at the high end 18,000 if they had to replace some brackets and the low end somewhere. I had a note I put that um a little sticky note attached to something somewhere. Anyways, kind of show the difference and the Ford uh stuff in the Ford, not all of that rolls over. So, I looked at a couple different ways. So, if we went from Dodge to Ford, light bar, um the siren controls, the sirens will roll over some of the lighting. Um the cage won't roll over because it's a different frame and stuff. Um, so we'd be about 24,000 to go from Dodge to Ford, whereas the upfitting of all new equipment was about 28,000. So for 4,000 more, it's all new equipment across the board. I don't know what you guys want to do. Um, I really don't want any more dodges after all the problems we're having. Um, so, um, and then forward to Ford. So, so I budgeted with the idea of just going to two Fords. If we go with a Dodge, we could technically I mean, we could drop the number some. I don't know. like I just really not happy with Dodge right now. So, so I don't know. It's

Oh, here's another thing right here. Um, yeah. So, the low end if we go dodge to dodge it' be about 16,000 for the upfit. If we can move everything from one to the other, I don't know that I would hold my breath to that at this point knowing it's a newer vehicle. So, I don't know. We can try it. Just know I wouldn't say 16 is going to be the bottom end. So you can well anyways thoughts questions I got some on the personnel side. So on the personnel side the difference I see between numbers here. So we're going to need some clarity

where you at which is which the personnel or P. Um because what I'm showing between what we've got in our budget book compared to the sheets you provided, I have a plus 13 grand on the wages side, plus 1,000 on the FICA side. Um, but then I see a minus 8,000 on the insurance side and a minus 22,000 on the retirement side, which actually shows a minus 16,000 overall. If I

So your retirement and your insurance, we don't pay for because so in the 2526 budget that's with 14 so 12 sworn people and we did away with one. So we won't have to pay retirement and the insurance and that kind of stuff. So that's why those are reduced. So that shows an overall with the step increases of a minus 60.

So the green the green is with the step that we did. Um but something else to be mentioned. So we're looking at of course the other pay scale which would because right now with the last upgrade uh the last change we did was for PD swarm. So that did not affect Christina, yourself, or Britney. She's part of the PD side. Yeah. So she got Yeah. She has a general Yeah. So other Britney's the only one that didn't get a her and her and both they're both general.

Yeah. Yeah. So Ian, so Mosifist in the purple. So all the purple on this one are general government. I did not up Britney when we did. Sorry. Are they Are they in the figures you gave me for the pay scale just these three positions? They're not included in

if you're adjusting the general like because that's I didn't think that they should get another six% on top of what they I'm just so I didn't put it in I didn't assume that you would want to put it in there. Well, they're not getting another 6%. Well, we're proposing 6%. That's what Chad is. He asked if I put that need to catch up the rest of the employees because they're all as well. So, then that's I guess that complicates these numbers is what that

Yeah. So yeah, the the significant increase that I'm looking at was Britney uh because of what she's doing for the the community. Like she really saved us a lot of money and I I guess I can't express how much help she's done for us saving. No. And I'm not questioning I'm questioning if we do a 6% pay scale adjustment how we handle these pacing.

Yeah, because I'm not privy to that one. So I don't know how to answer. Um because like I said, overall here we got a a 16,000 reduction looking at this from this one and this one which would cover those changes right there. But that could get tricky figuring out where they fit into that pay scale at that point because if we're adjusting the pay scale, then we're going to adjust those numbers across the pay scale where they're along inside of that.

So, okay, you're looking at 6%. So, but you didn't include them in what? Yeah, they're not trying to think of how to Okay, so like I just look at the scale. I'm sure there's one that's close, but these it just could be these numbers could be minorly adjusted because of fitting them into where that box actually aligns.

Um because I'm adamant we should not be moving. Nobody's nobody's pay should be outside that pay scale. He should be fitted inside one of those boxes. Yeah. Keep it and all these are within so because I have a copy of that. So like Britney Haw Mos they're within at current levels if we do a 6% cola adjustment to the pay scales change all those numbers right so it might just these might be what I'm saying is it might have to adjust. So like finding after we do an adjustment, there may not be a 2423.

So and I'm just going to use Christina, right? So at 6% it's a $142 increase on her. So well, it sounds like they already got the 8% we just did. So I'm just using looking at here would be just giving them a step. Yeah. I'm just using as an example,

but then we have to see where that aligns with that box. Um, actually probably should just go here. So 40 28. So just as an example, Christina's position if it's a 6% on just a green at the town cost it's 86. So it's like 3,000 some more just

but like I said she just got if she just got eight I assume she did not. So if she just got the 8% then we're not going to add 6% on top but the 2% step would be appropriate. Right. So that just what you have for a 2% step and what a 2% where it's going to fit into that pace box might alter. So

yeah. No, I get it. Um anyways, that's a short of what I got for you. I work pretty hard to get 77,000 less and with the two open positions like technically we might be a little more on the personnel side but if you're that's beyond because I didn't know what you were doing on that. So if we end up on boarding somebody with some experience whatever. So,

so you're saying if two new people come in with more experience, it wouldn't necessarily be that um where the green is or the red. It could potentially be more. Correct. So, right. So, again, right here. Um

so, with now like I don't know if she'd get like if we on board her like she has to get to the background all that. So if we bring her on, she'd be roughly at 3184 level because of her experience. So we give one year for two years experience and she's got roughly seven years. And I'm just for budgeting purpose put that in there because until like I she may not get to the background. I don't know. And we may hire Alana with no experience which would put us back to 2953. So the original only if I can have K9,

right? So if you look at this one in the book versus this one, you'll see without gin at the 2957 start, right? So that's what I budgeted initially that I gave her. ated this yesterday. There is um anything else? Oh, in the back of this. So, uh CAP, there's a letter from CAP on the back in here because they're asking for I think $3,000. I guess I didn't put it in my budget. Um that's something we've every year contributed to. So there is that I guess. So child abs well I think like I said with the difference between the two sheets is - $60. So, if we do implement the pay scale adjustment, $16,000 will cover these differences for the ones that are.

So, if we do uh anything with for CAP or whatever, where does that come out of? So, it's it's a donation essentially. Um, so anytime that we like uh we had a case up at the daycare and not recently parent claim kid was being molested type thing. So CAP is the specialist that does the forensic interviewing. So because they don't charge us, they don't charge anybody. They're nonprofit and we utilize them that way. So we've just since I've been here, we've been donating and I think long before like we've always been donating. Where does that come out of? Do you know? Do you guys know?

Off the top of my head, I thought it was dues and subscriptions. I don't think we need to make an adjustment for it because this these numbers are based on full staff. There's absolutely zero chance you're going to be full staff for the entire year. So, there's going to be money left over. Yeah. No, I just was I'm not say I Yeah, definitely need to donate. I just was curious where it comes from. Yeah. I didn't know if it was a special spot. Okay.

Yeah. I think take it out of that. Um, I didn't budget the 3,000 in because knowing how things were and budgets and money and it's tight and so I said, "Well, I'm gonna leave that up to y'all to decide that." Um, but we do use them a lot. I've got chicken chips or um I couldn't tell you how many times we've been over there this year. We've been there a lot just in the last four or five months. I think we got five cases that had people over there. So, okay. I did bring a little pamphlet if anybody had questions and want to go through it and kind

chip talks. You want a chocolate chip? Give me back those. Those are my snake. Can somebody reach a chocolate chip? Yeah. Don't wait for the stickiness.

I hope I don't mind.

Thank you, Janelle. She's not having her after school snack. Yes. Yes. very much. So, we looking for opinions or what? Why are we doing this? So, I I have I do have a question before we get there. So, if you had to What is your What is We did this with fire. What's your one, two, three order as far as needs now? Needs now. I mean, well, I mean, we don't have to do a radar sign necessarily. I mean, it's just something we've been looking at. So, like what's your number one? Two cars. Two cars.

What's your number two? Um, radars. So, I need to replace radars because they're not certified. And I'd rather buy the new ones than fix these old ones at this point. So, would the radars be considered a one-time capital ex expense? or my what I'm getting at is this something that will potentially go on the these ones are out, the new ones in kind of a thing on a rotation. Um, I didn't put them in capital expense. I just put them in equipment because I I view radars as equipment. Um, that's why I put them in there.

I could tell you span on those things. I mean, we could have a monster hail storm. We have a stop sign out here. We I don't remember what we paid for that thing and for some reason it stopped flashing and and uh quite frankly I don't have the energy to go figure out the stop sign because that's kind of a public works thing. So okay, what's your number three if there is one? It's all operational right now. Okay. I mean we got to have uniforms. We got to have evidence supplies. Like really the radars and the cars are my things.

What did you say? Those electronic radar signs run between 3500 and about four grand for the decent ones. um like it's something I've been looking at like they they have a use like they work and so part of me feel like you know let's try let's try one on Curtis since that's our main you know just again like well minus our new person so like we're running you know five people and I got two in training so like there's one of us per shift at at best you know and half of my day today has been in meetings So, I'm not out patrolling. So, if we had something out here, you know, until we kind of get through things, um, you know, and even in the future, that kind of helps hopefully with keeping the speed down. I mean, my day started at 4:00 this morning with police were waking me up over people stealing out at Thomas. So, I probably won't get home until 7. So, and if nights We're busy. Um, we get call back out tonight.

No, we definitely need new vehicles with how everything is breaking down. Bye, honey. See you. You know, I I went with Dodge because Sorry, because they were cheaper. Um, and they they were working fairly good. all the other it's this building.

Even short fry over here was noticing issues this morning. Um so I don't know like so it doesn't always pay to go cheaper vehicles I guess and I'm not really happy with their warranty. Um you know they're like nope we're not paying it. And I'm like I'm like seriously like this has been literally sitting at a dealer all this time and you're going to say we're not covering warranty. So I I just struggle and Fremont has been such a mess for this last year. Rerts has been great about getting our stuff in when we take it down. They don't charge as much for labor. Every time I'm down there, they're always talking about how many people from Casper are taking vehicles down there now. Um, I don't know. Like it it's frustrating to have a Dodge dealer here and have these issues with them. We One of the units that was over there, the latch on the U hood, like I'm pretty sure they're the ones that damaged it because it wasn't up before it went over there. I just don't have any way to prove it, but it needed like cleaned and oiled a little bit so it wasn't latching and so they slammed it. So now there's just a little bit of a crease and a crack in the paint, but on a way to prove it and it took me a little bit of lube and now it's just fine. I don't know. So I just don't like Fremont anymore. Anyways, anybody got any more questions for Chief?

Well, thank you for your time and effort. I have to leave, but this building makes me ill, so I've been coughing since I was here this morning. So thanks Mike. Thank you.

So we want to decide what we're going to do with this. We best to do it now. We just can't. No. No. when we we not going to I mean this all has to go voted on and be all that but we have to get solid numbers on what direction we're going to go so that's what we have biggest question is on the vehicles we need vehicles everything keeps breaking that's because they idle out here hours ahead I do I do believe we ought to change that policy and I I 24 hours there was already got

they always when they go on they don't ever turn off. Why? Because they want to get in them quickly and go and Okay. I mean like I just was and the explanation been given me is uh in the summertime they need to keep the air conditioning going for those computers. Yeah. I mean I get that. That's why I was just curious about and in the winter time keep it warm if the computer's off. You don't have to have it, but the computer Yeah, you can't leave the computer on with the car off. It's going to get hot, but the heat doesn't bother the computer when it's not turned on.

So, so when they in the summertime, they turn those off. Does the computer shut down when they turn their vehicle off? It usually with most vehicles there's a timer so it'll stay on for 20 minutes or something like that and then shut off is usually I don't know how their configuration is but that's the standard. So it times out shuts off and they get back in started up to go. How long does it take that computer to boot up and be usable? Depends on your computer.

Well, but don't those computers have their own it has their own battery too. Just like that has a battery. And if it's on the docking station, then it's being charged. If it's not on the docking station, wouldn't it be on its own battery? Yeah, it'll go it'll when if the battery is cut off, right?

So would depend upon settings on the computer, sleep settings and things like that. But it's a policy change. I mean, I don't know. That's not something we're going to figure out right here. But I do think it needs to be looked at and addressed because the time is just not well and and the issues that are happening with the other vehicles that are being idled forever, too. I mean, if that's the case, I'd rather go to a shared vehicle system and not the one. So is is there a particular reason that we don't do the shared vehicle and they just stay here instead of the officers going home in those vehicles like did 15 years ago

lose people. Yeah. But that's we always did up till maybe seven years ago we had shared vehicles. Um so it was I think Casper didn't push forward um in a thinking that things would be safer and I can guarantee you if you look at our cost expenses of seven years prior to us and the year now it's not a cost savings. If we go actually look at the data there's no way so um but some people thought that it would yeah that it would be a safer thing like safer for the area because yeah a perk because there's so all we're doing is put police cars in C. There's nobody. None of the cops here, but it's it's a perk. They only one did. Did we?

At one point in time, he did. He did. And there may be a new one that lives here. It's right now they get to take their vehicle home and bring it back, right? But they're not driving it around. I don't know. I mean, technically, some places do, but I doubt we do. But I know there's been argument of, well, they're driving that car, they're ready to respond. But that may be something we have to look at. But I like I said, that's not something I think we're going to rectify right here. No, but we definitely with what's going on with these vehicles. We need other vehicles. That's not a So

that's not a question. We need new vehicles. So where are we at on the total that for the PD? Yeah. The only thing we dropped was $480. So the only difference is the personnel difference that I have between this sheet and this sheet, which from my calculation shows roughly $16,000. I do the math hundreds of dollars. And this is the only issue I've ever Yeah. So I'm a little concerned that we'd have to verify all these numbers to make sure that it all matches up. But I mean if I don't know where your if your numbers was based on 11 people

had no Well, no, he didn't do any project. He doesn't know how I do. Well, I would think that we need Lexi to run the personnel numbers, all the personnel numbers just the same as we did every other department. Yeah, in my opinion so that we can have firm numbers because I want to make sure that it is the lower and if it is the lower then we have that money looking at the to apply towards the pay scale but I can agree with that. So

I mean we do have to look at here. So what he's got Britney here is totally outside of that range. That's a $3.37 uptick. So that doesn't match any numbers we've got. Not that it's a whole lot of money, but that's there. And then also I think Mike's is not valid because um in the last one, I know Mike didn't get it because he couldn't propose himself a raise. So he's in the same position with the other. So in my assumption he should be we that pay scale adjustment would adjust him too. So not what he's looking at a 2% it would be a 6% adjustment which is what we're talking about for the whole pay scale. So that number will be a little different than what's here without that adjusted and I don't think we can do anything more on it. Yeah, I would almost I mean myself I would almost recommend that we take all the stuff we've done and changes we've made including looking at this I I think the 2% I had always in my mind the step increases everybody was going to get so that doesn't give me pause at all um everybody moving the 2%. Um, I agree with Lexi. The fact that the general government pieces already got the last 8% we just approved, that means they should not be getting the 6%. We're looking at making an adjustment now. So,

agreed. That I I say just sticks with the step. Um, and then Mike should be adjusted the full 6%, but then it's the question to me is the Britney. Um, you know, that's like I said, it's outside the realm. It's $3.37 at a part-time person who we don't pay retirement for or medical insurance for. So that overall dollar amount isn't all that much. And I'll be honest, I can't even imagine we have somebody doing that job for $13 an hour to be honest with you. I hear you there.

So I I don't disagree with that either. That's where I'm at. But we've got so much variation here that I'm I'm concerned of where our numbers and our overall number is. So I personally myself would like to see this sheet updated with all the changes we've made and showing reflecting a 6% pay just a 6% total. So where everybody's at now, you want the 6% just that

I think. So well I think the Yeah, I mean it would they would move up. Well actually I mean for the most people it's going to be 8%. It's going to be a 2% step 6% adjustment of the pay scale because what we're talking that's what I was asking if we wanted to but not for our officers though. No because we already gave them right we already did the same thing to them. So we're just catching everybody else that too what we brought them but they should still get their status. No I Yeah, I know. I agree. That's where I was just double checking that you weren't. So, in the end, to me, it is that the PD would end up a little bit higher than what we're looking at with general because the PD got 8 point something% already, plus they'll get their 2% step. So, they'll be at 10 point something. If we had reduce a 6% adjustment to the pay scale plus the 2% step for the general employees, they'll be at eight. Mhm.

So there'll be slightly reduced value of what we gave to the police department, but I feel pretty good about that catching everybody up and getting us in line. Um the trip will be like I said some of these adjustments these those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same because as we basically a 6% colar adjustment to the pay scale. So we have that 20 year scale just split all the way up with all the different rates. There's hundreds of boxes on every box on that would adjust 6%. Every box, right? So that would show maybe where they're currently at would be a 6% bump and then everybody would have their 2%.

Do you want me to include in the numbers the 25,000 Mark was proposing for raises to the part-time and relief drivers? because that's not

I think it should be a separate number and discuss myself. I mean unless we're going to make a decision that yes we're going to give that but again I don't know where we're at overall number and then we need to talk what your thoughts and where your thoughts are of the capital expenses. So, are we going to look at the capital expenses as an overall budget amount for this fiscal year, which is going to be very difficult then to see if we're going to hit the under revenue budget or are you looking at capital expenses as a onetime purchase

because we got each all three major departments are looking at uh major capital expenditures. fire department, police department, uh public works, and we don't have the money to cover all those, right? So, we need to figure out who needs what the worst and what we've got to cover that at this point.

So, I guess if that's the case, I'd be one. So, what's the fireplace? If you go look, they have a sheet with just that. You go to the fire department budget, the last page in their section, but they have like what they really need, their first, their seconds, all that stuff. All right. So again, so I would still think I mean I guess we need to decide as a body here for first is whether we're going to go with pay scale adjustment.

But with these one-time purchases with these those don't come out of the same bump. Correct. They are different. No, not necessarily. I mean it's so we have an budget for this year and you can do it one of two ways. You can take capital expenses out of the that current budget and revenue what we currently got or you can look at funding your capital expenses out of reserves out of some it's not the sustainable budget but that's you want to be careful because now you're dipping into the the piggy bank at that point in time. So or we look at like you're talking about is all right we need to get a number of where we're at. So, we've made all the cuts, all the adjustments to the budget. Um, except for I don't think we did. There's a couple more that we haven't done.

Um, done general government and community center. And then we take that number and then we say, all right, here's our starting point. Now, we address these capital expense whatsoever's left. We address these capital expenses with that remaining amount of money. Do we want to finish out the budgets here and then I can get the numbers together? Do you want to meet before council meeting Monday and go over everything? Yeah. Yeah.

Or what is everybody's thoughts? because it will take me a bit to go through and and I've got make sure that we need to decide that pay scale adjustment so we know what our number is where our starting number is. Yeah. Because then we take whatever's left over. I think we cut 170 grand or something like that out of budget there yesterday. Um you know so even with the pay scale adjustments there'll be some left over. Not this amount, the 200 grand we're looking for capital expenses, but there'll be some left over. So,

yeah, let's go ahead and finish the rest of the budget. Yeah, get that those numbers and then we'll get back together and on Monday. Yeah, I don't see we can do it before. I actually I mean I'm very adamant about baseball in my opinion. We are far behind and we already portion of our employees argue it and I don't know how I can go to the rest of our employees and say yep we they were important to catch up but you're not I agree.

That's my opinion. Okay. So I will put together new sheet for our summary with all the changes we've made and the 6% pay scale adjustment and come up with a new number. Now I think we so we finish off our departments and then if we got some time we might visit the fire one here because we really didn't talk adjustments there. Okay. Right. Do do we want to plan on a work session Monday then before the council meeting? I have to. Yes. And what time? Because I've got to get that posted tomorrow. Do 5:30.

I can do that. Have a question for everybody that's been kind of picking at my brain. How was the determination made that work sessions don't qualify as mediums? Where did that come from? You mean as far as like a like a special meeting pay for meeting or Yeah. I mean it's we're compensated for meetings, right? How did this get justified as as it's not a meeting and in that case

because it's not called a special meeting and if it's called a special meeting um we got to think about this because we don't have that many special meetings like if there was an emergency meeting then you have to back it up with a special meeting. Um, work sessions are basically work sessions where decisions aren't made and then your council meetings. And I think part of it has to do with your council meetings are set by ordinance as far as meeting times go. Um,

but where where who came up with I mean because we're abiding by the open meeting laws for this meeting. So how do we say that it's not a meeting? That's where I'm getting at to me that's that don't make sense to me. So if you say one that it's not a meeting that it then we shouldn't have to abide by open meeting law. I I we would probably have just something that's popped in my head that didn't make we would have to look at our ordinance. We probably have to look at the state.

I was going to say it had something to do with state statutes. I remember when we went through with trying to do the raises with that. It was it was very old verbiage and it was one of those because they haven't been up in so long that work sessions just didn't count to or but yet if you were but yes but if you have sorry if you were a city then work sessions do count but we're like the only ones that don't right and so because we were a town and that was one of the things of if we were a city we got paid for all these other things but because We're a town. We don't get paid for that. I know that's like committees and things like that. That's the case. Again, this

again to me the wording is you per meeting and we abide by open meeting laws and all the other things. So, Chad, I'm sitting here kind of chuckling because I basically asked the same damn question almost 10 years ago. Did you Did you get the answer? Probably more than 10 years ago. So, not a deal. And I'm I I don't remember what the hell the answer was, but I was convinced that that's way it is and I've never thought of it since you just brought it. I know that your That's why I'm sitting here, Chuck.

Your council meetings are set by ordinance. Those are specific, right? But I don't think there's anything that says an ordinance requires on how it's set to be paid. Oh. What's considered a meeting? Oh, that's what I'm saying is I mean these are not considered a meeting. So So you're so you're talking on the pay side of it per se. Yeah. And again that's ordinance. That's how it's written in the ordinance. Regular meeting which is I believe defined in the code book is regular meeting defined as regular meeting

second fourth Monday of each month. Well, that's defining the meetings. That's not the pay would have to specifically say you get this much per regular meeting. Per council meeting. I I council meeting leaves it open to what I'm saying. It would have to be regular meeting. And I would have to Yeah, I don't recall how it's worded exactly. Not a deal. I don't mean to get us off topic. It's Yeah, it just popped in my head while I was sitting here because I was thinking about the other day. I got a chuckle. All right. Where we at? Um, general government

and I will say it's just followed suit through the years. That's how it's always done. Yeah, I know. But I don't to me just because it's how he always does it doesn't mean it's the right answer. Yeah. So where are we at? Sorry. Yeah. Whenever fund people want to change it. General government. Yes. 1043 series. Something we could have a meeting. Talk about government. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um I dropped the unemployment down a little bit. Oh, there it is. Um jeez. It it took a huge jump last year, but it dropped quite a bit down this year. Um, dues and subscriptions, there's another page in your packet. And then that dues and subscriptions, there's um it's going to look like this. It kind of breaks down um everything that kind of falls under that dues and subscriptions.

It's a third page. Yeah. Third page behind the one you're on here. Keep digging. Other way. Yep. Yep. Other way. Nope. This way. Yeah. Mhm. Three page. No, just turn. Yeah. one of us. Too damn many pages. It would be before the clerk tab. It's not a tab. It's just three. Go through the Yeah, I'm here.

Right there. There we go. Yeah. Push mine upside down. Any questions on that one? So, we pay Whim 3,800 a year. Yeah. Membership. And what the hell does that get us? All our emails, lobbying notifications. Yeah. I mean, everything that you see that comes in from WH.

Yeah. Okay. Just never had to think about it that way. Yeah. All those get somewhere. The three trails is the um subscription that we pay for each year for all employees and their families for counseling. Mental Yeah. Assistance

part of the mental health. Yeah. That we provide. I did up on the lodging and mills. Um I did up that a little bit because we've been pulling some of the employee awards lunchons. Um that 750, that's where that came from last time. Um office supplies right here. It's a little low. Um there's I we just ordered or just had 10 cases of paper um brought in and usually towards the end of the fiscal year I kind of make a a list of what all we need to get us through the month of June and um you know pens, paper, folders and things like that. So, I held that at the 2500. Printing I held at the same um for the time being.

So, that's significant. You never hit that mark. No. No. And so, we could we could drop that back drop that back to 15 or

Yeah. telephone. I upped quite a bit. Currently, our telephone um I looked today our telephone is at 15,05. Um so I up the telephone to 175. The water, sewer, and sanitation. Um, I left that the same. We'll just kind of I'm taking into account the possibility of rate increases, but I'm also trying to take into account that maybe we will be watering less frequently, you know, as we're trying to be, you know, conservative with water. So, I left it there. Um, electricity I bumped up because that continues to go up. Natural gas, um, I went ahead. That's kind of a shot in the dark. I did drop it $1,000. Uh, we did have a really mild winter, but I don't know what the future holds for that. Postage, I bumped up $500 because of the increase that's taking place in June, I believe it is. uh first aid supplies. We need to look at our kits and see what's needs updated. Repairs and maintenance. Um you'll see those breakdowns on the that supplemental sheet. Um I did budget in there $25,000 for carpet uh for the town hall. Um the carpet is 26 years old and just looking at doing an upgrade.

chicken. I mean, it's not that bad a shape. No, it's not. It's not. It's like I was like really 25. That's where I was like, yeah, it has held up good. Uh, building maintenance. I budgeted 20,000. Um, buildings aging. um some of the repairs that I was wanting to get done this year. I'm still waiting on a contractor to get me some numbers for some handrail repairs. I've held off on replacing the toilets in the building because of everything else that we've had going on right now. There are some toilets that I I would like at some point to Yeah.

get in and replace. I'm sorry. Not repair, replace. Yeah, the handrails out front really need it. They are they are are I am working on my third contractor rusted through that's the word I was trying to find. Yeah. One contractor um came never gave me numbers. The other contractor never returned my phone call. And the third contractor that I'm working on right now. I'm waiting for him to come and take a look and give me numbers and I've not yet got so Yes. Yes. Our handrails need some work. Yeah.

What's everybody's thought about pulling the $26,000 cart down and put it into the capital bucket? The 25. Yeah. 26. 26,000. So Oh, I've got 25. Where are you guys at? I'm lost now. For the repairs and break down break down on the same Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah. I mean, to me, the carpet's not in that bad a shape, and we're and it's one of those things. I mean, I I believe the repairs we should do not get farther behind on repairs, right?

But the carpet is something that we can to decide whether we have that money left in budget is my thought. Yeah. I mean, it's it's old, but it's still in good shape. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is it if we don't do it, if we push it off another years, it's going to kill us is kind of No, it's not bubbling. It's not failing. It's not coming apart. It's still in decent shape. We've got some seams that are the whole building, the whole upstairs. Upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. So, on those seams really, you can have someone come in and they put a latex on it. They're going to trim it down and they're going to reatex and put it back in

and it will It's just a quick, not necessarily a quick fix, but all of this stuff is a continued like a continuous filament. So, it's just like a sweater. So, you pull one strand and you're going to get a line that goes all the way across. And so, as long as you keep the seams like this stuff, if you keep the seams trimmed, then as long as the vacuum doesn't catch it, right,

then it's fine, right? So, as long as those are all trimmed down, but you just have a carpet person come in and trim those and really push comes a shove, I can come in and do that. I mean, I did that for years with my dad. My dad did floors for heck, I think when he retired, he was that like 40 five, 47 years, something a long time. Um, and so I did that for years. And that's something that to just push things along and not have to do. And I mean, really, it's the carpet's in good shape. I mean, if you come in and just fix the seams a little bit, be more than happy to do that just to help

keep it looking nice. Well, and to me, this is a perfect prime example of a onetime car capital expense. So, then we throw it out with that where we're trying to figure out where we got money, where to put it. Everybody comfortable with that? So, we're just going to eliminate that. We'll just drop 26k off. 25. Uh, it says 26. 26. Your breakdown says 26,000. Oh, mine says 25. Ours says 26. Ours says 26. Oh, okay. Carpet. Well, it's 20 25 um because his price came in at 24454.

Okay. So 25 then and then like I said we can add I updated somewhere. So minus 25. Yeah. And then we can just add it on that capital list that we'll discuss when we let me find where we're at. It's under 400.

Oh, I Yeah, you know what? I upped it here. So then instead of 51, it would be 25. Should we reduce by 26? Yeah. Sorry. back. So, we're reducing that to

25 because I've got 20,000 in there for building maintenance and then I've got 5,000 for security cameras. I don't know this one camera out here, the price that I've got was $1,500. And in talking to it's a gentleman that used to work for you that works at one of the tech places that's involved with either the Cisco. He said um anything tech is 10% figure 10% cameras um roughly 15 to 25% increase. Um he is with it was the renewal for Cisco.

Well, we talking about Brandon. Um Cam Cameron Cameron converge one. Yeah. Um that you need the bid the cameras you Yeah. where you go out. So any of the thing I would with this So the the camera we did get a a bid from high-tech and it was 1,500. um from high I say when we get down to it just go that um assessment professional services I've got budgeted at 3 39,000 oh I'm sorry I skipped

um janitorial expense um she's reduced her price on the on this building because the PD hasn't been downstairs so she isn't charging us full price there. So, that's why that number is down there. Um, also factored in that um is carpet cleaning, shampooing. I want to get somebody in here if we didn't do the carpet. And then window washing. I don't know who the the people that I've had do the window washing in the past. It's they're no longer doing it and we was getting a pretty good rate at it. So, I don't know what it would cost today. So with the less expense from janitorial for over here is that an increase in janitorial for community center?

She hasn't because they're basically in one room I think. Well, okay. I assume it's going to be I know. Yeah. Yeah. Would be my guess. Um custodial supplies. Um this is a couple months old. This 5.99. And I've got I I just got a thing last night where I've got to order some more toilet paper, but because we shut off spending the end of May, I usually go in and try to make a big order to get us through the month of June and into July. So on that one, could we go to 2000?

We Yeah, we could try it at 2000. Um the year before it was 1687. Uh prior that it was 3,000 and that might have been but I mean yeah we can we can try 2000 um if you want. I mean historically it's only gone over that once. Yeah. And I I would have to look to see what that big spend was. I guess there was there was a special circumstance there. Um the next one, can we go jump back up? I'm sorry. The with the 18 18,000 one

um for the janitorial. Uh obviously right now it's lower, but we've never had even close to that 18. We have a new lady now. Oh, the custodial we was paying I think it was 15 15 75 or something something like that. And this one is 17 or$,750. But then with her not cleaning the basement, um that price has gone down. But she is locked in at 1,700 if she's cleaning upstairs, downstairs in the town hall and the community center. That's where the increase comes because we got a new lady. Yeah. Read a little.

And with any luck, we're going to have her cleaning back downstairs pretty soon. I like your optimism. Yeah. Hey, so did we decide we're going to custodial supplies to two? Yes. Got to be optimistic at this point. Absolutely.

The next one, 1043 450 for professional services. That's part of your sheet here. This has got um the Wyoming financial in it. They're the ones that handle our health benefits. um the audit, the website fee, the direct pool and testing fees, it um is in there and then our document shredding and the total on that came to the 393. The next item is 1043530. This is equipment expense. Um this this covers the um bus and the shelters. Liz will be here. I've got to confirm with her, but when I talked to her a couple weeks ago, she wanted to be at the council meeting Monday night to give an update on on the link um the the transit um transportation system.

Also, didn't we have some damage done to one of our structures? Yes. So, that's going to be an that that we'll have to fix. and blow. No, we it was vandalized. I think Dana already did. It was something stupid. It's crazy. $17,000 or something. Yeah. And we just paid have Well, the the Well, we haven't paid for it. Yeah. The roof the roof is the guy. Oh, the guy that kicked in all the glass.

The roof is what cost so much. The roof alone was like 13,000 and it was for a for a glass or a plexi. And so, um, I put a call in to Liz last week and she was out of the office. I'm waiting to hear back from her. Um, the roofs at the at the Aspens, the roofs on those shelters is a metal roof. And Dan and I were talking that why don't we just see if we can go back to that rather than this really expensive roof that was like 13,000. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So, what all is this? 45,000 that well um at the time when I did this I was waiting for numbers from Liz and she should be given those numbers Monday night um for the bus and then and then any expenses on the shelters. Do you want me to lock the doors for you? No, you got to if you could leave but locked. Please

make sure you put the cash drawer away. um generator switch. I threw 5,000 in at the time. I did not know where expenses were on the switch. We had not gotten those numbers back. Since then, I do have those numbers um from Atlantic. Where are you at? Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Atlantic Electric. And he gave us a quote of $3,500. Um, and that's probably something that we need to try and fix now because it will not automatically switch over. You have to manually switch it.

Well, we're currently way under that spin right now. Well, come to my No. Um, is that the one? Which one? Trying to remember where the Maybe it was repairs and maintenance. Okay. Equipment expense. Yeah. But we haven't paid for the bus yet. We haven't They haven't built us yet for this year.

Right. But traditionally I mean I don't recall the bus being anywhere near that number. Um and traditionally it doesn't look like it's been up there if that's where the bus has been paid for. Um, I thought that the bus was right around 38,000 a year. That's what we paid last year. Yeah. And we haven't paid for it this year.

Well, that would mean that that was the only thing we bought last year of the equipment. Paid for the total spend last year was 38,000. So, we could take the 5,000 out um for this next year. I think we could pay for it out this year where I was getting right. Get get the switch done this year because I really hate to wait. Yeah, I agree. I think we need until July. That's what I was hoping that we would have enough money now we could get the end of this year and then we can reduce the reduce this next year by 5K. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So, we can remove 5,000 off of that. That would make it 46,000 and then this will be the last time you see the mail stuffer or a new mail machine,000. Shouldn't that one be 1300? Right. No, we was going less on the on the general government. Less for general government stuff. So, we put a little portion of it in general

legal advertisement. I bumped it up to 4500 because, as you can see, we're well over what we have budgeted. We've just had a lot more going on with planning and zoning and then advertisement for grants, public hearings and whatnot. Senior services, I've not paid that yet this year. That will be an expense coming out here in the next probably the next month. That's consistent.

Yeah. Catsy I took out because um those numbers are now all pushed into the numbers that go to the city of Casper for the bus services.

Sorry. Community. There's a big one hidden up underneath there. Yeah, community events. 15,000. We buy candy for parades, just stuff for community events. We're at 4,700 spend right now, but we got 15 grand, but 4,800. Um, if we do any money towards fireworks, it would come out of there. Um, we're doing fireworks. Sometimes Casper asks us for like a money donation donate to their big cause. That's probably where um rather than us doing our own fireworks this year, we talked about

but that's what goes into their community events, buying flags and whatnot and decorating up the community center and town hall. I just see we have to 12 on it. That's 11 grand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This this is something new that kind of came about. Um maybe I even Yeah, I was gonna say I go down a lot. Certainly adjusted because that's I mean we're not spending that much. We don't have to. I mean these are those things. I mean we're tight times and these are those nice things that we add on. So chop in half 7500. Whatever you guys are comfortable with.

Can we meet in the middle at 10? I'm okay with 7500 or Okay. All right. All right.

Can't sneak anything past you. Ch. I know. I was pushing it. I mean, shoot. Well, I mean, to be honest with you, the better we do here, the better chance we can get through some of these capitals. Mhm.

Um, property insurance, that's kind of a stab in the dark. I left it at the 7800. I'm not real sure where that's going to wind up. I did get the numbers um on the um in omission error liability insurance. We're looking at I want to say it was roughly $13,000 out of general government. But what we also can utilize in here is if there's any accidents or anything, we pull our deductibles out of that as well. And our deductible is $1,000. Do we need anything else in the office?

The office equipment has not been spent ever. It No, it's it's like I'm trying to think if we bought Gosh. I mean, I got to go back five years and we spent five bucks. Telephones or um mail stuffers. Well, hopefully not something something general for the office. But I but we can definitely pull it out. I mean, we'll just rent it under.

We've never spent it. I mean, if we do have an expense We can do office supplies or equipment. So, we just try. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to pull you back. That's okay. Maintenance service agreements. That's our um copier and cassell and mail stuffer. No. Well, yes, Mail Stuffer. Yeah, the the service contract for mail stuffer.

I was going back to the purchase of the mailer. We already got the mail stuffer taken care of. reimburseable expense. Some of the uh charges that have wound up in there is if we've wound up with like property abatement, it's been charged to that. And if we get that money back, so we put it in reimbursements, we can but we haven't done anything for a while, but I just kept it at a,000. Okay. Well, that's a $4,000 savings on that one.

Well, depending on if we add the carpet into

my budget, I don't know that there was really any changes there. Which one? Right past it. Equipment expense. I've got 1,500 in there. I haven't had to spend it, but that would cover like printer, calculator, computer, computer, monitors, things like that. Maintenance service agreements that's got um our Cassell in that. Our software for that is too much to clean up. How much room?

We run pretty bare. Next one is community center. Um I bump covers um our maintenance agreement for the community center. I bumped up the water, sewer, and sanitation a little bit. Electricity I bumped up a little bit. natural gas. I left the same repairs and maintenance. I bumped it up a little bit. The building is aging and we've had had to have some repairs up there.

These are a little TLC. Mhm. Yes. And when the appliances over there Yeah. They're expensive. Yeah. On the commercial side. Yeah.

Well, and and the the system that operates the HVAC system is is a system that was put in by another company and one of the monitors or something had gone out. And so we called that company out that had put that system in and they automatically quoted us $25,000 to replace the whole operating system. And so I ended up calling in the people that we normally work with and they figured out a way to get around that. Um but there could come a day where that system fails and we will have to replace it

and that will go under equipment expense. That'll be a special request some weakening budget for we don't know where he's just putting the number out that it's a that would cause that basically the operation in the future that I'm hoping that it doesn't happen distant future

it turned out that um part of it was a power supply that was replaced and they were able to get back into the system, but the company that had put the system in years ago came out and without really digging into it to see what was going on, just automatically said 25,000 to replace it. So, um, where are we at? Janitor.

Uh, janitor, I left at the 6,000. Um, I do need to get the carpet cleaned and the windows cleaned up there. Um, I could maybe cut that back because we haven't hit that 6,000 mark. Um, drop that back to five. Five to five. Yeah. Carpets and windows this year then or huh? Carpets and windows we get done this year. Use that money. Oh yeah. And over

depends. The center is pretty busy right now. Can't kick that. Getting somebody in right now. We have to bump it out and coordinate. Yeah. Yeah. It's not this year. maybe glass. But all right,

custodial supplies. Um, I will be making a pretty big order and generally when I make a big order, I divvy up the total cost. 2/3 expense here and a third up there. Um, so I I do need to make a pretty good size order there. Professional services. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, you doubled bit off the top of my head. Oh, that's the people that come in and check the hoods and reertify the hoods the on the commercial side for the kitchen.

Oh. And if they come in and because everything is commercial in there, they have to inspect them and and certify them and tag them and whatnot. Gotcha. Wonder Wash. Property insurance. I I took a equipment expense. Yeah. $6,000. Doubled from last year, but zero spend. DVR. Oh, the DVR. I don't know what that means. The the computer for the cameras. The cameras. You have a breakdown. Yeah, I see. I got you. Yeah. On that second page.

Okay. And that's that's all going to be dependent. I don't know where we're at on cameras. Um, and I can't guarantee that they get the DVR replaced up there in that system. And we don't have cameras that need replaced, too. Nobody knows until we can get into the DVR. Nobody can get into the DVR until we replace it. One of the things that had been talked about um but I don't think it was talked about today was that one camera system. Um because there was talk last year that Yeah. because there was talk last year that we could put some cameras

that would you know be on the building. It would be all part of that system that the PD was talking about. So I'm not real sure where you want to go with that. Um, so I went ahead and threw the 6,000 there for now.

That's all I've got. uh the maintenance and service agreements. That's going to be your HVAC. Okay. It's we've paid it. It's just not reflected in here yet.

Only 1k there. Mhm. Pretty much it. That's it.

I got to take a quick break. Oh man, Happy. So, how are we going to do fire to call Marcus and have him come over?

Well, he would feel really guilty. We start whacking his budget without him having any input. As of right now, we've whacked 155,830 total total from yesterday and today

obviously for all our expenses. Well, we've definitely like I there I was going back through fire and there was definitely some that we could probably move down on, but fire keeps a pretty tight budget. Yeah, I it was one of those the main things with fire. I feel that it wasn't necessarily it wasn't here, but it was those one-time expenditures that we were trying to with your paperwork figure out. Um I guess I'll give you that cuz his main was obviously the replacement of the structure helmets, replacement of bunkers,

new bunker boots, and the PM with all radios. So that was a have to they have to get those. Okay. And then the second would be the roof replacement because of they had uh well they've been having roof leaks anyways and then they got the skylight and then there's been more leaks and so there keep moving. Yep. And so it's one of those that they were really needing a new roof. But they also really wanted the transfer toolbox combo

like in number two. And then the number three was the barrel sauna plus the Yeah, it was barrel sauna and then a and then a Yep. a decon shower system that they can put in as well. And that was going to run 23 to 30. Yeah. He said 15. We're not going to make it that far down this list, right? I I know. I'm just giving you what what numbers he was giving us. And then what's that? He's on his list. Okay, perfect. Yeah. And then the women's bathroom is number four. And then the generator for the station is number five.

Hello. Hi, Marcus. Pizza for Oh, dang it. I'll give you a cookie. I got chicken chips two days later. You got turkey. Two days late. You're two days late. Are you late? All I got are chicken chips. Only a dollar. So this and these are two separate things. Mhm. This was for him. So what my proposal was on giving the part-time and the uh

So this is parttime people. Yes, the part-time people. So it's I was just showing the they haven't we haven't picked up the paper call or the part-time uh hourly rate in like since we designed this three or four years ago. Right. So they've been at the same rate. So I was just showing that that it would be a two-step increase is what it would be. I would go from the entry level to the step two for those. Well, okay. Does that make sense? Okay.

I mean, it's the same thing. We're looking to adjust everybody else, right? We just haven't adjusted these guys with the last couple of years. So, they're a couple of steps. Yeah, we haven't made any. I got my own right here. Thanks.

I would like it back when you're done. We didn't think it was fair to attempt to make cuts in your budget without you here like everybody else's. Oh, thank you. I should have brought mine with me. Mhm. I told you I was going to bring extras.

Yeah, but I have all of my stuff. I have your Marcus having up on time here. So, um I got some Sorry. Shoot registrations. We currently are sub spend of 375. We got 5,000 budgeted last year. Okay. Where we at city?

So that that I explained the registrations. Um we had Leo had put the registrations the the money for the interns the $24,000 the year for the interns and the registrations. Okay. Um, they were being paid out of training. So, I moved that 24,000 from because if you look at the training, we went from 5,000 to 29,000. That's the next thing I was going to ask about. Yes. So, we just we just put the funds in the right budget line.

Okay. So, is 5,000 appropriate for those registrations? You've only spent $375. Yeah, it's if they attend any um training or a conference or something that goes up quite quickly, but I don't know if you want to keep it at the 5500 or did you say if they attend any trainings? Yeah, like go to trainings like won't that go into the training one under? So that would be they would be registering they're registering for it and registration

register for a class which we have a few of them out there. So I know some some more is going to come out of that but I don't I don't know that 5500 would I mean if you look back at 2425 right uh there was only 1300 if you look at uh 2324 it's 22,000 again because uh that's where the interns came out of. Yeah. So I mean that's it's hard to gauge that one because we just So that's why I was just getting that is that 5500 appropriate for that. It might be a little high. We could probably bring that down some. Where would you like it to bring it down to?

I would I wouldn't go any less than 2500 or Yeah. 2500. How about three? I was thinking three for which one can I write on this? Is this extra copies? Registrations. Registrations. Absolutely, sir.

I knew you would need my copies eventually. And then I assume so that the the training we're going to need to keep there because we moved here, right? Over to there. And yes, we have been bumping up against that. Uh so if you look at the 15,843 that's spent for this year, only 12,000 of that is is for the interns. So that extra 3,843 is is money that we spent already in training and I know that Cody's got a lot of things in his mind for upcoming training. So

So your annual spend for your interns is 12 grand? Uh 24 12 a semester. So we've paid that first in July January we paid the first. Yeah. So you just really got 5,000 training outside of Yes. Yes. Office surprise you've not spent much so far this year. No. Do you have an anticipated spend in there? Nothing anticipated because I'm just because we're at 2500 again this year. So we're we're well under this year and we got 2500 for next year.

So could we go down to like a,000? 1,500 maybe. Yeah. 15. So we're down to 1500. Yep. So that's $1,000. Sorry. Yeah. Yep. So the printing We've never been close to that. 500. We never even hit 200. Yeah. So, could we go to 200 on that? Mark, what are you printing?

Um, I print everything over here. Um, so I know we I know in the past we've done a lot other printing. We used to do all of our like our uh sign refusal sheets. We had those printed. Um there were there were a lot of other things that now are paperless. So it's all online. Um I know Matt and I just did business cards. So that 45 will go up a little bit. Uh but we have I had 500 of them for 10 years and I didn't go all the way through them. So now I have 500 for the next 10 years. So I don't know that. So, um, yeah, I think, uh, going to 200 would work for that.

Sorry if I'm longwinded. The reason we're so far, I don't know if you've looked at the uh, safety equipment and uniforms. Why we're so far over on that one is because of all of the changeover we've had over the last year with new people and bunkers and boots and badges and name plates and replacing. So the next one I had questioned was postage. Yeah, me too. That's what it worked. Yep. So that's the most we've ever spent tonight is uh 196 bucks we're at right now.

So we go 150 on that one just because postage is potentially going up. Yeah. Even 200 200. Yeah. We could 200 200. I think most things you guys mail out anymore you put in our right posted would be if you took a package or something to UPS store right and it just depends whether or not we need to send equipment in to be um rechecked and I know like with some of our stuff warranty wise the packs they'll they send us the shipping tickets so that cost us so

so you've got repairs and maintenance I know you spent a lot this year but historically you happened. Do you have something in mind of why you put that to six? Uh, well, I put that up to six because we were at five already. Um, I know that our building is getting older and that we're having more issues with with different things. Uh, that's probably why that that 5,000 was this year it's higher. Um, I don't really anticipate uh anything, but if we don't get the roof fixed, we could have some

Yeah, I know we've had some issues with our furnace, hot water heater, um the plumber out that's not in this. Yeah, the plumber that the doors issues with the doors. Mhm. So, whenever we we we don't and I I I bumped that up strictly because this year we're already over. Uh in looking back, yeah, we don't we haven't gone over four in the past, right? So, but that that was why I bumped it up. Yeah. And this year, I'm pretty sure we will be over 6,000. So, yeah. I just don't know if that's a offer.

Yeah. Um, so then caught my eye was professional services. I know we're way higher this year, but historically that's not been that high. So is that backgrounds and stuff? Oh, because your turnover. Yes. Probably not much we can do. interns and they all now I am I am planning and I do need to still talk to Mike about it but I am planning on um if we're bringing somebody on full-time I'll still run them through um the service we've been doing with Aaron if we're bringing on like interns and part-time volunteer folks we'll try to run them through our PD to save some of that cost

is what I'd like to do. So you still thinking you need the 135 What else does that include? Background testing, drug testing. Your medical director, if you go to his page, the second page, he has it kind of broken down. the medical director, inter agency dispatch center, and then background checks.

Okay. So, the dispatch center is is still at $1,000. That's the the Casper BLM dispatch center. And then, uh the medical director, is that what uh that's about what she's been billing, correct? for things exist the new um typically anymore it's like between 250 and 500 a month. Okay. So at 500 a month it would be 6,000 a year. Okay. So so so the the reduction in that would be the the backgrounds for the

Yeah. How much would you save on that if you come by using the PD? Well, I don't know that the PD is going to charge us to do it. Right. But I mean, you're not going to do all of them. So, Right. Right. I don't I don't suspect that we would be doing maybe one or two a year from now. Okay. So, and I think the last one was 850 that we did. Do you know 750 or 850? I would say.

So, could be knocked at 2500 instead of 6,500. So he's actually got uh 1,088 to make that um 6,000. So, um, could we just cut it in half? Yeah. 32 3250 on on that line. Yeah, just that line. So, right. Yeah.

So, that was Okay. Where does that make So on this one up here when taking that 6500 to 3250. Okay. How much? 3250. Yeah. Reduction of 35. Yeah. So that would bring that 135 down to 10 250. And then your vehicle expense. I know we did get up there one time, but

I would actually I know I we wouldn't cut it, but re-shift it down to equipment expense. 135 down to what? Equipment. Oh, 135 went to 10 250. Yep. 10 250. Um because most of the stuff over there I pull it out at equipment expense. I'm just I mean is Oh, so you pull other stuff out of that. The only thing I pull out of vehicle expense is their two command vehicles

and beings. Both of them are newer. That is why we've gone from um you know 17,000 2122 to 957. we could bump that line item down and shift it down into the equipment expense because we we are going to go over that 30,000 this year if you look in way back then where we're at so I would adjust it so it wouldn't change it overall but right but that's I'm do we need 8,000 for the vehicle expenses for those repairs pro no probably not especially like I Um, we do have the

We can move it. What about the Yukon? The Yeah, the the Yukon the Tahoe, which is older. Um, there might be a plan in the next budget to try to replace that with a with a vehicle that can tow the UTV. So, like a Chase vehicle. So, but that's not this budget. That's next year. So, could we drop that to five grand? Yeah. And then you want to put that other three into the 33 into the equipment expense.

I think she's going to move the whole five grand down, but just a reduction is what I was looking at,

right? payment equipment expens. insurance one. We did didn't we move that one down to 7500? Mhm.

Yeah. Insurance 7500.

And you got 10,000 on software support. You currently spent 2500 to be honest with you on that one. We went down 7500. Oh, that's your your reporting software, your image trend and and then the EMS. I'll go get an actual total of property. Yeah. So, we have uh that's new like the yearly. Yes. Yes. So, the Yeah. The image trend, the active 911, and then the handy. The handy is But I have to pay for

Yes. You tell me. Probably not. We're not going to probably get anything there. And to be honest with you, that one it was a carryover. I with a lot of this it's like well I'm looking at the numbers that we had the last few years and what Leo had on there and kind of where we were. Some of them I bumped up because I was prrating it to well this one's already at 4,000 and we only have 6,000 in there so I'm going to bump that up a little bit. Um but a lot of this was well that's what it was. So that's what I'll put this year to

it just doesn't look like we've spent that much. Well I a lot of those are are annual annual expenses so they'll probably come out before the new the new budget. But past years we haven't hit that mark. Oh yeah. Yeah. We've never hit that mark. Um, so I mean this new software may be more expensive. It is the the adding the handb to it was was a little bit and then I think active 911 when we got that added a little bit to it. Um I don't know why I don't know why 2324 was $600 compared to the other ones. Um 2021 was eight.

That's a pretty good discount. I hope we get that again. So, it seems like it was just that one year that it was so low.

Yeah, really low. But even our high years, we've 8,300 is the most we've ever spent, which was five years ago.

And I know we did add hand heavy to that. And we're actually looking at a program, and I didn't think about it until we left the other day. We're looking at a program to assist with our EMS training. It's an online program that uh ties directly into our owls, which is the waters or the online reporting. It keeps track of all of our training so that we can research. Um, and that that program that he was looking at is another $4,000, but that's was figured out after we um had this made. I had just forgotten to bring it up the other day until we left.

No, that's budgeted. Okay. So, I would really like to leave that 10 there and tell us that's where we're going to be. I already added up my stuff. So, it looks like we dropped 12,82 because I assume we weren't going to get into there. And the really cool thing I'll point out that I thought was really cool and and I said because cheaper and it's not necessarily cheaper, it's just a different wage. Um, due to the loss of Leo and then Matt coming in and then Dan leaving and bringing somebody on, we've saved quite a bit. It's a lower cost.

It's a lower cost. I like the way you say that. No, we figured we probably weren't going to get a squeeze any out of that. No, cuz it's the CAD software and then um our EMS software with what we got which was $12,800. Cool. Got little said 12850. Yep. $12,850 total. Yep. For fire. Mhm. Thank you for coming. Not one of our best, but not one of our worst. Thank you. They got You got to add the wages in there and then it'll be one of our best.

Did you want this back? I do actually. I wrote on Well, no, not that one. Oh, that was yours. No, I that was just an extra. So, do you want this back? No. What I wanted back, you gave back. Okay. Thank you. The pay still for call and stuff. That's okay. Hey, weird question on that. Is it is is it going to 50 because that's what another one is doing. Yeah, that's what Cass Cass um Mills bar none. Um but yeah, we're we're trying to okay match what other people are doing. Plus, it's

uh they haven't seen any kind of an increase in that in the last three or four years. But it was a hefty increase last time we did do that. Was it? Yeah, it was extremely hefty last time we did it. Not saying it doesn't time for adjustment. As we all know, we're, you know, 10% off of what we were when that space study was created. So, um, but I think we need to look at as we look at our capital expense from what I heard from the beginning of this conversation that we've got a chunk up of here of have to. Yeah, those were the have to up top. I think we need to look at that first funding on the capital side. The have to

Well, thanks sir. Sorry for Oh, no. Caught you up. I was hoping I would get you before you left for my for my first budget meeting. I'll do two. That's more. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Thank you. Oh, and then so then we also so we ought to have on that capital list. We have to look at okay this proposal. We've got Dan's proposal as well. I saw that. Say that again. We have the We have this proposal for increasing the part-time guys. Yes, we have Dan's proposal for

But was that was all enterprise, wasn't it? that new employee was an enterprise fund. I want to say it. So that is a totally different that wouldn't be in the capital. That would be um that should be covered by what we already cut in. So that one should be an easy one because we all our enterprise funds cuts that we've got there um will cover the potential uh pay scale increase and then still have leftover. So that'll make that decision a little easier. I know I'm missing something.

I got to reset up my email so I can get them. All right, everybody's thoughts. So Mark's musts are 42,000. Those are those top four things. Um and then his second was a roof. Uh Mike's asks are the cars and then the radars. And then

so I think we can also not that I really want to go down this road again. Um but we can also get creative with the cars. used to go into leasing where we spread that payment out over time and didn't have to come up with the initial onetime purchase which may be something we if we really want to push that in might leases but I know but the lease to own so so we're not actually extra on it it's it's not a bad deal but it what it does is it spreads that out over a few years so that's going to impact our next upcoming budgets as well but I think we're going to be in a position where we're going to have to pick and choose If we do that, then we can only do so many new vehicles, right?

At a time, and it'll it impacts the ability for next year and the year after to replace vehicles. Right now, he's needing two vehicles, right? If you do a threeyear lease on that, we're committed to that for three years. I mean, I might and if we get a good year, he has where we can get ahead, right? There's a total of 14 vehicles they have right now. But not all are running. I I know. So yeah, where are we? I I would like to know where we're at because if we have seven or eight not running like

I don't know. So we have 11 officers. Mike, animal control. So 13 people. Well, no. Ian's out of misplaced. Ian doesn't have this vehicle. 11. This is a animal control vehicle. We just have a new engine in it. It's he just he just said it's not working. Transmission. That's It's not working. It's been I've seen I've seen it. Still doesn't change the number of vehicles we have. So we still have number of vehicles. He said we have to get rid of two of them.

14 should be able to go down to 13. That's counting the flight Durango that's in. Maybe we look at doing one vehicle this year. Do a trade in in one vehicle instead of the two or Yeah, we have 13 positions, right? So that's how many vehicles we should need. So if we have 14 13 positions counting like So we're counting everybody. But that's records. Oh, that's I'm sorry. Right. Right. That's my bad. Yep. Records. So 12 vehicles, mind you, we have two open positions. So I would hate to show you. I think we have more than

we have two. Well, I was just more going off of that, but yeah. So it would be 11 positions because you are correct that it would be I I just was counting but then yes, I forgot about 11 officers, right? Because we just went down from 12 to 11 as approved officers. And then we'd have Mike and No, that's including that's including Mike. Okay. So then we would have the animal control officer and then records. Records have the car. No, no. So I'm down to 12 cars. Oh, I'm I'm counting. I am. How many cars do we have to have? 12. 14 cars. 12. And we have two cars too many. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, we've got 14 units. And we have two cars too many, right? So maybe we could up how many we're trading in or or even if we were able to I mean potentially because I know some of the older vehicles are costing money even if we were able to get the tune we push something out on a lease that might mean we don't have to buy as many in the next two years because we can have basically reduce the fleet by two. So something we ought to look at because I I'll be try to be optimistic and say that we can afford all the asks but I don't think we're going to be there. So we're going to have to choose. So

I guess it'd be interesting to know what's actually running right now. That's why it's like so question what's running what's completely like budgetwise when we lease a vehicle we how does that affect the budget we only have to do the year's payment in the budget instead of the overall so you figure out one year yeah you pay a year total okay so if you put three for the next two years. Okay. Just something to think about. I never liked it because it really

it limit limits us because now we we're behind. So every time we lease a vehicle, we've got those payments extended out. So as we're doing our budgeting, we have that, you know, oh yeah, no, we're still paying for last year's cars. So it became tricky, which is why we kind of shifted to we got the money, let's pay for the vehicle. But at the same time, this year we're not going to have the money. with how much we beat up vehicles. I like the idea in general of leasing of just because we're already beating them up. We're already doing we still own purchase. It's we still own at the end. We're just spreading that initial purchase. We don't want to do that that way. Let them do it the other way. Give it back.

I don't know if we can because of exactly what you say though. No, but it's a lease to own. It's basically they're not stupid. They're in business to make money. Well, I guess let's see. I got to run, but let's see where we'll see where we're at Monday. But I think we're going to end up short is my guess. Have to make the tough calls. So, what time on Monday? 5:30 5:30. 5:15. That is that is just going straight from there to here. 5:30.