Council - Regular Meeting

distribution we get uh semianually chicken right on from what kind of that's what took me so long to get to freeze Yeah, everything finalized because they had legislation, right? And we get it twice a year, usually like in August and then I want to say like February. We get two different payments. It's actually the total for the year, right?

Identify or so we'll get that in roughly 150,000 160. Right. Yeah. Twice. Okay. Yep. And that's dictated by what they are going to give us. Okay. That's what took me so long was they didn't have the number finalized. Um way I'm finally guess they're asking how they come up with that number right totally random thing. I'm sure they have a formula but they post the number and say this is what you're going to get. You're wearing your mine.

I was looking They just had legislation on it and I was looking at the formula for them to and I was like, "Yeah, figures. Very complicated. They just changed it." That was part of the stuff down at the legislature. And I was looking at the equation, if you will, that I was like, "That's random. Maybe maybe I won't. Did you eat all your dinner? Yeah. You may have dessert. I can figure out how to open it. I might

keep turning it. Keep turning it. There's one thing on this side. And when it goes, it goes. Yeah. I'll probably throw these cookies all over the table. That's what happened last time. It finally went. It just went fine. There you go, Daniel.

Don't Don't Don't I want to make it Don't put it back. Don't latch it. Make it tough for everybody. I don't want to be embarrassed. Well, I am right here. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm already embarrassed.

You're in my bubble.

I'm a woman. I need space. Jim, you want to get us started? I was going to hand out a bunch of stuff to everybody that may or may not have. We've been looking at all this capacity development stuff that they've been kind of jamming down our throat here because if we don't pass all of their requirements and they can't ask for money, which I don't blame them.

Their point is if our rates aren't high enough to support the place, why are we giving money? in addition to what's on good. Has everybody got a bunch of this?

Anyway, this is just a kind of a drop in the bucket. Did you get one, Lexi? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Anyway,

obviously the state doesn't want to give us any more money than they have to. They're making everybody jump through all these hoops before you can even ask for money, which is not unreasonable. And there's a whole bunch of this stuff. If I could send you guys links or something where there's all the like PowerPoint things from various classes and stuff that they've been given on this that's probably worth looking at. But anyway, this is the thing I kind of I don't know uh enough about from previous years whether um you set aside money like they want us to.

We have money in reserves. Yes. because it because they'll what they'll do a lot of times now when you go to ask for money is they're going to want to do one of these rate studies and they'll come and evaluate how you're doing all that stuff and I have no knowledge of that. Yeah. When we do any grant application, um, they ask what we have in checking, reserves, like um, general capital, enterprise, all of that stuff. They ask, okay, because they were talking about this, they were saying got to put a aside 4% per year of your total system replacement cost. And I don't have a year of what would your system replacement cost be?

That's the thing. We have to go do an inventory on everything in the entire system and come up with this number. So, it's not going to be a trivial thing to do it, but we need to do it. And then they want you to have figure out what your most expensive single piece of critical equipment in is, which may be the pipeline between the water plant and tank one. What would it cost to replace that whole thing? You're supposed to put aside a fifth of that cost per year. You're supposed to have Anyway, you can probably read all that stuff I wrote down there. And then they talk about setting the rates that you should have a base water rate that covers all of that, including setting that stuff aside. And then you're likely to have a graduated water rate where as people use more water, you're charging them more for that second thousand gallons than you did for the first thousand and that sort of thing. Sort of a punishment for using too much water. And that is supposed to be over and above that base rate, which base rate supposed to cover all of our expenses and all the stuff we're supposed to be set aside. And I have no idea, you know, whether we do that or not. and whether that comes out should be a line item, you know, line items in our budget here because in the past we've never specified that, but I could see him doing a rate study breaking so the coals if we haven't, you know, got that written down. So, what I've got on this estimates I did was just for the stuff that's actually shown in the budget and that doesn't include any of that setup. So, Well, I can tell you

it's kind of bad news. I talked because I did this capacity development at the water conference as well, right? Um, and then the first thing I did do was come back and talk to Lexi and ask her what is our rate when's the last time you did a rate increase and how does that work? She already had a five-year plan in place before I ever even talked to her. Really? Yeah. So, I know that she's doing that. Yeah.

And I think Evansville's traditionally been very good about that. You guys raise the rates on a regular basis, which is what they tell you to do instead of just letting it slide for years and years and years and then come back to like Casper did and say, "Oh, we're going to raise your rates 30%." And then we're going to raise another 30% the next next year. You got to kind of keep up with it so it's not a horrifying shock to everybody. But I think Evansville's always been really good about that. So, so beyond that, I guess we're just to the actual budget line items here. And you guys already had a bunch of this stuff figured out for us.

Hey, hey, hey. Just me.

You exactly credit where credit's due here. Somebody's doing the math. You're not wrong. Well, so you know, I guess we get the first item that I would look at that I feel like I had any say so on was this dues and subscriptions. And I went ahead and estimated it based on what we've used so far this year. And then, you know, projecting that out, came up with this $8,000 What I'm curious about is buying this water in the expanded capacity on behalf. You're saying that comes out of we're calling that dues and subscriptions. So, do we want to increase that maybe over and above even what I put on there? I don't remember off the top of my head where we pulled that from in the past that

I think you said it was dues and subscriptions. We don't have a line item just for that. But you know what's interesting? We're talking about how much water we used and this past month we used 46 acre feet out of that 500 acre feet that you have in reserve in we did quite well. But see this is people aren't watering their lawns yet. This is a very low usage month, but the last time in April when there was a call on the river, I think we doubled that.

I I kind of doubt it. Didn't we purchase Did we make this purchase already out of reserves because we just talked about it and then so this will just be the maintenance. So we're talking 2500 a year. 2500 for 500 acre feet. Yeah. So but we were already at 300. So the difference is only but you have to replenish that what we use, right? So we got 500. Let's say we use 300. You're going to have to buy another 300 plus the sort of maintenance on the other. No, you get that for free. You pay each year to maintain that balance.

Right. But what I'm saying is let's say we've got 500 in the bank. Mhm. and we spend 300 of that this this summer. Well, then we got to buy another 300 in order to build that reserve back up for the next year, right? No, because we've already paid for it. I don't understand what you're saying. If I have $500 in the bank and I spend $300, I now have $200 in the bank, right? So, I'm going to have to buy another put another $300 into the bank. Oh, I see what you're saying. I mean, you got to cover. Yeah. I mean, we would have to

if we want to maintain a 500 acre foot balance, we have to add back in whatever we spent, right? But here's something that's kind of nice. They have a formula and I looked at it and I thought it was kind of weird, but they have to come up with some kind of a guess. We get credit for the water that goes back through the wastewater system in there. And instead for this month, it's 50%. Yes. So even though we used 46 acre feet, we really only spent 23 or we'll get credit back at the end of the year for 23,

which tells me that asking people to conserve helped because last time there was a call on the river in the month of April, I thought it was around 80 acre feet that was used. No, it was it was even lower by the time we got our 50% back. Yes. But I'll pull it and look.

I mean, I I I look at our actual amount of water usage that we have and it's kind of the same. That's what I go by. But anyway, um this is a low usage month. I mean, people aren't watering their lawns. And I'm talking about April. May it's like somebody flips a switch usually and everybody starts watering their lawns and it'll double. So, we'll probably use a 100 acres. But we're not, as I understand it, there's no call on the river for us. We can just go back to using as we normally do and not use any out of our reserve.

Did you not see that email? I saw it, but it was not clear what the heck is going on. Only we get emails from advance that says we're going to have everything's been kind of delayed this year. But yeah, was it late last week? I think early this week they talked to her today. And it's the same thing as when I talked to her. They don't know. They just don't know. They don't because it's unprecedented,

right? But at least at this point we do not have the threat of outofstate users having a call on the river. Correct. Anything that we would have to use out of our reserve would be due to instate people with a higher priority a more senior water right than what we have. And it doesn't seem like that maybe is going to happen at least this month because I think they would have told us by now if they were going to do that to us. So

that's hard to say. Anyway, so it's really hard to it's hard to budget for something when you don't know what the heck's going on. But this is going to be a weird year because there's only 30% capacity in SEO and path and that's really where all the storage comes from. Normally run off reservoir filling and as it is right now it's not filling the reservoir. There's no way that they're not going to do another call on the water. There's just not enough.

I don't know. I don't know. They can't tell us. But it seems like they seems like we could get into these hotter months. Can there be somebody with a more senior water right in Wyoming that would therefore have more priority? There were any discussion last night about potential uh pay scale changes? No. So that's not accounted for anywhere here. I'm hesitant to add more in on a possibility just because like I said I think

the 2% built in is in there but nothing else adjustments to the pay scale which I don't I don't know did you print out I don't know if they're here but like we adjust it for the police department to bring them up to to speed. We got to do that for the rest of the I know uh Leo or not Leo Mark brought that up. That was in his proposal. What he talked about was his paid for call increasing them up and then the relief drivers not the actual full-time guest. Okay. Thank you.

Mhm. So, I guess everybody else doesn't have this, but this was a sheet Lexi put together for possible four and six% adjustments to the pay scale on what it would hit the general government line versus the enterprise line, which right now we're looking pretty decent besides the capital expenses. Think we could possibly do that? So, I just want everybody to have that in mind if we're looking at adding any money to the budget. the potential uh would limit our ability to do pay scale adjustment.

We get a copy of this too. Absolutely. I'll make one right big table. Who went last night? You guys do last night. Fire. Fire. Fire. And then and Lexi and Janelle. Do you see the the dues and subscriptions going up more? Do you see it like that? It's going to build up. Well, I don't I don't know. It depends on whether that counts where we're buying the water.

Okay. Other than that, I don't know why it would really go up much. Well, you already made a what 10 12% adjustment to it already because it's already higher than Yeah. That's why I was Yeah. And I did that because of potential of having to buy more water out of Pathfinder. Yeah. To replenish what we already, you know, what we may spend this summer, right? So, you've got a little bit of padding there, right?

And I left everything else the same until you get down to the electricity. And I based this on what we've spent so far this year versus what we had budgeted and said, "Well, we need to probably up that in order to kind of match what we're spending now, but it might need to even be higher because there may be more rate increases. Well, we're already looking at what 20ome% here, right? But that's based on what we're spending already.

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think we can go to the what possibly is going to happen. That's what my concern is. I don't not looking for if I mean, we've got to stick with what we know. I I I don't know how you predict what the PSC is going to with rates. That's what I said. We don't I mean, in my opinion, if something major like that happens, we've got to come back and and look at we're injecting money into it. But I would hate to throw money at the budget for what we think what we're going to guess might happen. Okay. That's the thing. It's speculation. That's the problem with a lot of stuff. Well, over the past year to two years, they've increased it so damn much, right? That I don't see how the hell they can continue that.

And I just read an article, they're going into a pack to buy a like big multi-state pile of electricity so they can get to a lower rate. I doubt it'll pass along, but it might, you know. So, there's a lot of things to share with you. I mean, especially I just my opinion is when we're I don't know how you budget for I just I think I just got in an email from state or something the last days. So, they're talking about that. Yeah, Rocky Mountain Power. Rocky, this is Rocky Mountain Power thing. So, we can lower our rates. I doubt the article says, but I doubt it. But anyway, my point is just it's unpredictable, right? And I don't know that we can budget for unpredictability.

Well, that that number I came up with was based on the percent already and what we spent and what we should have budgeted, right? To meet that for our current spenders. Yep. seems I left the um the gas the same as it was even though we have not used very much but we've had a bizarre year. I mean we've used like 30% of what we normally would have used but I don't think we can count on that next year. So I just left it the same. We had a very warm It was a very warm weird winter. Once again you can't predict it

right. Exactly. So, I just left it the same. Does that sound rational to everybody? Yep. Yeah. And then I left the postage the same, but I heard just a couple weeks ago or whatever where they're going to raise the postage rates again. It's going up to 86 cents or something like that for first class. Is that sound reasonable? No. Doesn't sound likely. Well, I can't answer that. The damn sure doesn't sound reasonable.

Exactly. It's not reasonable, but then it might be what we have to live with. But anyway, at now 46, 48. No, I have a 70 73. I can look up real quick. It's Holy crap. Yeah. How long's it been since you mailed something? I haven't mailed anything for years. I get mail, but I don't send it. I need that privileg. And I don't Does the town get any kind of break when we mail stuff? Oh, I didn't encounter that. It's not just like me going

78 to go up to 82 cents. There you go. Okay, that's not a huge increase, but maybe we ought to bump that up a couple hundred bucks or something. to account for that. Yet they're still operating at a loss. Exactly. And that's what they're saying. They said they still will. Well, they need to change something else. Exactly. It's impressive, isn't it? It's called insanity. This is where you hire UPS or somebody that knows how to do this stuff and get them to do it. Something like that. Yeah. Privatize it. Go Amazon. What the hell? They need to everybody.

So, we just lower in repairs and maintenance this year. Fingers crossed. Knock on wood. Let's see here. We're at 4,000 right now. Well, as of that is put it in. That's a hard one to budget for. A lot of this stuff, you know, like utilities, I figure, well, this is a percent of the year that's gone by, so this is how much we've used. So, we have a pretty good handle on how much we're going to use or how, you know, how much we're going to spend. But when it comes to repairs and maintenance, that can happen all at once. Oh, yeah. You know, so I think we're just lucky we didn't we didn't use So, I just left it the same. Yeah. I was going knock on wood.

Exactly. Right. Haven't had anything that we put in that section, you know. So, you've had nothing to add to that after the last two months. What's that? You've had nothing to add to that 4,000 over the last two months. I would say we probably added a little bit to it, but nothing huge. No biggies, you know, just buying a few little bits here and there already. We still got two months to go, too. What's that? See, knock on wood. Exactly. Still got too much to go. Right. Exactly. Something could break, you know. So, I don't see how we can change it.

Yep. That's kind of what I'm thinking. It's just, you know, and then on the next one is the chemicals and I raised it based on the percentage, you know, of the year that's gone by and how much we've spent. But one thing, and once again, you can't predict it, but we now know we're paying more for fuel. Diesel's way up. So when you buy chemicals, you're paying the transportation cost. And particularly like the alum, our main primary coagulant, it comes on big pallets. It's heavy.

So the the chemical supplier, it comes from Canada. They may be paying more. So they may raise the price of the chemical to cover that on their end. And then obviously we're going to pay a little more for their delivery fee on it as well because they got to recoup their diesel expense and we don't know how long that's going to go on for whatever. So the 20,000 I put down there is just based on what we've seen so far this past year. It doesn't count what might happen, right? So, what about that chemical that we just so happened to have like laying around last fall when we had the water that started to go smelling funny, tasting funny, used all that and we bought more.

Okay. And that's where it was just that's where I was curious if because we were adding that potentially back to it um if that was part of the increase. probably part of the increase. Yeah. I don't know how much. It wasn't super expensive. It was just a matter of nobody had it and so we had to wait a while to get it and was just glad that we had some. Yeah. Sitting around. We didn't have a lot, you know, but we bought a pallet of it and we probably used half of that. So, we're going to have to buy more at some point. I don't We're still not sure where the funk in the water comes from, but part of it probably is the fact that the reservoirs are so low. Oh, yeah. That's all that algae sucking the nasty stuff out of the bottom. It has a lot of nutrients in it that can make that free floating algae grow

and it so there's still that algae. So, we're still adding that and we're adding a lot more. You're still leaving it now? Yes. Suck up that fish poop. What's that? Sucking up that fish poop. It helps. It helps with it a little bit. You know, it's funny. That smell that you think of as a fishy smell, that's algae. You go out to the lake and you think, "Oh, it smells fishy." Nope. You're smelling algae. Yep. Algae is a lot of it has very strong smell and taste to it, but primarily smell.

And that's something I wouldn't have thought in the past. I fig, oh, it's rotting fish. It's algae. Pretty funny stuff. And we're also adding a bunch more of the potassium per manganate, which is helps destabilize the charge on the surface of the free floating algae cells. So they will be encapsulated into the flock when that forms makes a huge difference. But we're putting in 600 parts per billion right now, which is about four times what we normally would put in this time of year. Wow.

And it makes a big difference. It really, really helps. But that stuff ain't cheap. A 25 kilogram or it's like about 55 pound pale of that stuff, I think, is like 350 bucks. It's not cheap. How long does that take us to go through? Probably for one of those pales. Cuz we're buying it three, four pales at a time and last us maybe a month. So,

it's neat stuff, but it's not cheap. So, so that's probably part of that as well. Hey Jim, on 5:30 is um with where the actual is of right now, do we need to move that one up potentially or no? Which one? 530 equipment expense. Okay.

Or is that like filters or something? Um, I'm not sure how. You know what's probably a big reason why that's way high is that we probably paid the bill for the repair work that was done on the pump for Brian's stock trail. That was Lexi probably knows that was probably 30,000 35,000. Well, I don't remember. So that's a big chunk all at once, but that had to be done because that ump failed and they had it for a year. Yeah, it's a looks like a one time expense. The history doesn't show that.

Yeah, right. That's a hard thing. So I don't I don't know. I don't I don't think we can count on, you know, that happening all the time because we had the other pump done like five years ago and they lasted like 30 years before they got to that point. So, cross your fingers and hope you get another 30 years out of them having been rebuilt like that, but it's kind of an expensive thing. And then in addition to that, I got a question on backing up to the professional services. Go back up. We budgeted 275,000

but we've only spent 14,000 tank recoding for 250,000 will come out of there. Okay. That we're getting ready to do. So that's going to show up. Should show up before the end of the year. No, probably not before the end of the fiscal year, but before the end of the calendar year, because I thought they can't do it,

they told them, "Well, you can't do it in the heat of the summer." So, you either got to do it before, and I can't remember what the cut off date was in the spring here or you're going to have to wait and do it later in the fall. And they said we can't do it that quick. We're booked up. So, they're going to do it in the fall. So, that's what it's already budgeted for. We took a loan out of that, wasn't it? Was it the loan that we did on that? No, that's the emergency. Oh, that was the emergency one. That's right. I think we just coughed up the money for this. So, yeah. So, it's 30,000 necessary for next year. What's that?

The It's 30,000 for next year is what? No, we're talking at 27,000 is budgeted for next year. No, I think we need to cut money from this. That's where I'm getting it. Yeah. If that's not necessary, there's some potential. Well, I'm not showing last year's budget. I just have actual should. So, yeah, last year maybe 30 is plenty. I just don't know. Depends. Right. I'm just looking at historically like 23 12 16. I mean, that would be a place that we could capture some money.

The highest of 23,000. The one thing I can see being very expensive that's going to be professional services is apparently we're on the short list to get money to rebuild the water plant which shocks the heck out of me that somehow we're like number 10 on the list in the state to get that be grant money you're talking about grant right right but so we can't get that money until we know how much to ask for and we can't know how much to ask for until the engineering is done and they figure that'll be aund,00 000 out of our pocket to have the engineering done to do the design of what they're going to do. That sounds like it's going to have to be a special consideration anyway, which would be outside of this money,

but it is professional services. So, Sure. But that's going to be a special approval. You want to drop it down to 17 or drop it to 20? What are your thoughts? What do we pay our engineers just like retainer that we pay them? That seems to be a good idea. They have their own budget. Yeah, they have their own budget. That's not considered professional services. And I have no idea what professional services even is. So I can't I can't ask. So hey Jim, can we move that down to like 17? I have no idea what it is. You guys will have to tell me. I I don't know what that means if it doesn't mean the engineers. A portion of the audit comes out of that one.

Looking at historically, I think that would be a number. But I'd like to know what that is. Sure. But I don't if we're So I I can't offer you any advice. I say do what you want. Yes, Chad. I think we That be my rebate 13,000 off that. That's a lot less than 275. I like that.

Equipment expense once again very difficult to say. We agreed on 17 on that, right? Yes. Get my stupid pen to work. You need a new one. I need a lot of new things.

So, I think we're equipment expense. You have to back to that one again. And I don't know what you want to do there. Like I say, that 59,000 probably a big chunk of that was repairing one time. Yeah. One of those can't budget for a one time, right? So, I just left it the same. So, once again, that was one of those special ops things and right, you can't anticipate that. You can't do it. Yep. Okay. That's So, leave that where it is. That's That's what I was thinking. and permits. The lease is permits. Once again, I have no idea. I just left that the same as what it was. I think that's where the water comes out of.

It may be where the Yeah, the pathfinder water comes. I I can't remember about office equipment. Pretty sure. You know, I we don't see the bills for any of this stuff. Well, we have had zero dollars for three years, but that can't be true because we have a copier and there's a maintenance contract for that. So, that can't be under your service agreements. Okay. But this this purchase of new equipment. Oh, okay. I think we haven't. Now, the only thing I can see that I anticipate potentially buying would be PCs.

If we decide to go to Windows 11 because theoretically run, if you have older hardware because it has to have this chip on the motherboard that does all this security crap. I'm not anxious to go to Windows 11. We ought to ask him. He's a computer nerd. You have to. What's that? You have to. What now? You have to. You don't. You're not. You have to buy new PCs because

at some point in time you're going to have to I mean it's that you can't keep old stuff. It's a security thing. You're going to get at some point we're going to have to do audits and things like that with the plant where you're going to have uh have to do security audits which you're going to come in and they're going to look at all the systems and whether they're updated on a regular basis and those types of things. So I'll let you guys take care of that. Do you think 2500 would buy us whatever we got to do to go to Windows 11? Well, I I don't even want to speculate on it, but I'm just looking at historically. We've got three years of zero spend on that money. So, that's where I'm looking. 3,000. It's 2500 bucks. It's not a lot of money. When are we going to have to do it?

That type of stuff probably should have been done already. I can't tell you when you're going to have to do it. I don't know when, you know, they get we're a small system. So, you know, they look at the big systems and work their way down. So, when they're going to come say it's something that, you know, audit us or do an assessment. For what he would need, we're looking at at a PC or two, right? Well,

yeah. I don't really Yeah, they pro I don't know with how many computers they've got. I mean, your uh Windows 11 is going to have to be necessary for your on network PCs for sure. It should already be. Windows 10's been uh deprecated. So, um but I just read all this horrible stuff about Windows 11. I won't run most of your software. I've been running it for years. Never had an issue. I was going to say we don't have any problems. You run I can't play the what ifs, Jim. If you know there's always something you looking at now to upgrade this coming year to the on network PC should be anything that you've got connected you know to the town and network and internet should be absolutely

you know your off your off network system for the SCADA controls and stuff a little bit different because it's an isolated system so are all of those that you're talking about all four connected to the office PCs yeah Yeah, that's gonna be a big hassle. So, do we have to Windows 11? Any money to play with this year? Um to look at upgrading his for this year. Is it one of those that we can Well, there's 2500 bucks right now. We haven't spent the time. So, what are we going to get for that?

Well, if you look at if you look at this span in the year, you could do $2,500 towards it right now. Come July 1st, you have another 2500 if we leave this. That's $5,000 to do these upgrades. That's a substantial amount of money. Yeah. I mean, we can get Jed down there and so you can start the process now in the current year because like I said, we've got a zero spend. Let's leave it at 25 then and let's leave it at 25. Get Jed down there and find out where the hell we're at, what we can get done for the 5,000. Yeah. So, is that one of those you can do a couple of them or do you have to do it all at once? It's just I mean it's this is just a computer. It's just like at your house,

right? But I mean if there's four of them and he was talking about it. That's why he was just like is that something that we can do at least two of them at least and then be like okay that we're going to try to hit another two next year. Yeah. I'm guessing, you know, that probably would be a preference of gyms anyway because I mean then you can start playing with it, seeing what you've got for compatibility, what may pop up with issues. You know, if you go and say, "Hey, we're going to totally jump and move everything over forklift and replace." And then you run into issues, then where you're at. So probably a stair step approach is the best. Anyway, that's where I just wanted to ask if that's something that we have to replace all four at once or can we stairstepping that that I think would save Jim from Yeah. pulling his hair out and Yeah.

trying to deal with that because that's going to be a major major change, right? So I mean I think you might even want to go with one of our stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So then we've got equipment for the next one. And that's a tough one to to guess because you know it just depends on hiding on this other what fails basically just your totals. That's your total really earning. Okay.

All righty. Well, so we we're at seven grand now. Your current spend is three. for this year. Last year was five. The year before that was 19. Before that, yeah. Yeah. Then we have zeros. Zero. Yeah. It just depends on what breaks or some new crap going to have. I think that 19,000 was probably when we bought new instruments from Hog, right? Quality instruments. You don't have any anticipated. You don't have to buy any of that, right? You don't have any anticipated right now,

right? We might buy It'd be nice to have one more chlorine analyzer, but we're running a really old one that's not supported right now, but it we don't have to. It's working.

So, you know, sometimes the old ones are better than the new ones. Kind of was in the case of turbidters. I love the new turbid emitters for a lot of purposes, but they did not see the algae a couple years ago because somebody must have paid off the EPA. somebody working for Hawk somebody with EPA and they changed their rule saying it has to be an incandescent light source and allow them to go with a laser. It's a red laser. It doesn't seem

so we went for a couple months with algae. Didn't see the we didn't know disinfection by products over the limit. Everybody want to leave out a seven or you want to look at like five grand? I'm not doing you guys much good at all. Sandwiches. I'm good with five. Do you need anything? Yeah. You know, if we go over then it's a Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's always those circumstances are going to come across. It's unpredictable once again. So, we go five on 820 783. 83. Yeah, that's right.

Unless anybody wants any more. I'm good. Um, the other one that caught my eye was maintenance services in a grand spend, 1400 out of 15. I think what we did was and we bought that new compressor Brian stock Trail and we signed a contract for 10 years for maintenance on that and it's basically their machine if it fails in any way they have to replace it which is a good deal

and I think it was I don't think you that you know would know but I don't think we're paying them once or year to yearly or I don't think we're pay I don't think we paid the whole amount up front. I think we pay them once a year but it was agreed upon amount for the 10 years and what was it is it like 1,800 or $2,000 a year. So I know that's okay but even if we took that we took Shoot I'd say and then the other maintenance agreement is on the Hawk instruments. Okay. and we've got a two-year contract with them and they come twice a year and do whatever needs to be done,

but it doesn't include full replacement. That was a bunch of extra money or whatever. And I don't know what we're paying for that. Have you already paid it this year? I don't know. I have no We don't see any bills at the water plant. We see nothing. We don't know what we pay for chemicals. We don't know. Well, I'd take that one to five then. That's what I would do. Well, whatever. I mean, as long as you don't mind paying more. We got five. We looking for three. Three. Let's I don't know. Off the top. How would you have that at the finger?

Yeah, we got We got five. Looking for three. Sold. I mean, the the five gives us enough leeway that if we haven't paid that agreement on the that stuff, it gives us some leeway from where we're at. So, I always go lower. Don't go lower. That's the theme of the night. Okay. So, back up for me. We jumped a couple on this one. Let's jump back up to insurance and property um and equip. So that one's at 20. We've already at 15 this year

and that's a once a year expense. So that's all that's going to be for 874. So drop that down. Is that what you just said or something? Are are you talking about property insurance? Yep. We don't know what those numbers are. She's saying well historically what she's saying is yeah and historically the this year is the highest we've ever paid at 157 to at least like maybe go 16 17. Yeah. Yeah. I think that seems to be reasonable for current event 17. You guys didn't get my annotated

17 once. Yep. Okay. Okay. And then going one more down is insurance. Apparently, we haven't paid that yet. Yeah, that one looks rather consistent though. Historically, once a year thing, that's pretty paid yet. And then Lexi, did you pick up that we went on 874? Yeah. Yes. Thank you, Chad. Yes. cuz we got the professional services at 17. Yeah. Um equipment at five. Insurance.

Yep. Go ahead. Insurance property and equipment 17 and then maintenance service five. Okay. So, we just saved $28,000. Next money we can put towards raises. There you go. Yeah, looks like that's Yeah, we go on to wastewater next. Wherever Dan wants to start. Dan, oh my waste water. Thanks, Jim. Water like you got theirs. That's fine. You can waste water. Waste water. You're out of the hot seat. You can

I could sneak out of here. Oh, I was going to say, oh, there's one more, but those are empty. Never mind. I know. There's a bunch of zeros in there, isn't there? All right. Well, I don't know if I did any good, but there's a bunch of stuff I don't know. Well, we appreciate Jim. Absolutely. Thank you for your time. Well, thank you guys for your time. Which you're really not. So, thank you. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. All right. All right, guys. So, we're going to go through waste water. Huh?

All right. So, anything salary, wages, employee benefits, all that kind of stuff is out of my scope. So, I guess I jump down to doozy subscriptions. Where the hell is that? Should be the next tab. Right after water up. Overtime. Oh, there it is. I can't see that blue on blue. Good. Must be the bug wiser. Ernie talk about you. Oh, I'm a new employee. Yeah, sorry. I do want to get another employee. That is not included in your totals. That is

so Yeah, sorry guys. I'm brand new at this so she's gonna have to help me out. No, I'm just saying. So they when they're looking at So yeah, currently our staffing is down to five with myself. Um I would like to increase that staffing to at least six minimum. I think that's plus our two seasonals. Seasonals. Yes, I do have two seasonals now. So, um, anyway, so that's where I come up with those numbers there on that side. Would your two seasonals would they would they not does not that not add up to a full-time? Basically,

it kind of does. Even though it's just seasonal, if I can keep them permanent, I could do that. Yes. if they're willing to work that comes out of the general fund because they do like the parks and stuff like that because they're not trained for right um right and currently

I currently have lost a hand a full-time hand so I'm in the process of finding another one of them which is already in the budget obviously but um I would like to add another full-time hand I did offer the full-time position to one of my seasonals for the guy that just quit, but neither one of them act like they want to work fulltime. So, they they're not ready to commit to that. One's ready to one's retired. He's 72. And the other one's um out of the military. He gets military benefits and stuff like that. He just he's not sure he's ready to commit yet. So anyway, long story short, let's stick to the business, right? Anyway, I need a new employee.

I would like another one. All right, let's see what we can cut to get him. Yeah. So, right. Um, so that takes me down to dues and subscriptions. Uh, I didn't really mess with that much. Um, left it at a thousand. Uh, I think that's basically for me dues and subscriptions is No, I'm not sure what it is. Um, like WWPCA for for like conference. Oh, be a member. Okay. Registrations would be where like when you register go and they pay for it, but you have to pay an annual fee to be a part of.

Okay. Okay. So, treatment does it and Yeah. And then you guys, so I I said I didn't mess with that. We budgeted 1,2526 and looks like we use 950 or we have 950 left. Yeah. So I just left that alone. Yeah, it seems historically in ballpark. I didn't I don't see any reason to mess with credit card, bank charges. Um, printing I don't do any of that.

Well, printing is showing a double in cost. That's 500 last year, 1,000 this year. So that's a double and anticipated expens, you know, you're at the 400. So, I'm guessing you're on mark for the 500 budget, but you're asking for a thousand. So, you drop that down. I remember these numbers are I have no idea why I'm asking for a thousand on that to be honest with you. So, unless it works over to 500. Yeah, it 500. So, which one is that one? Printing. Printing.

But I know. Yeah. So, as long as that's good with you guys, because I know some of our stuff goes unless you're printing money. Yeah, then we can up.

That'd be nice. Safety equipment uniforms. I had a thousand budgeted. Um, we will use that. In fact, I want to justify that thousand because here's what I would like to do. Um, and I'll give you guys this offer, but I would like to offer my guys a $500 uniform allowance per guy, which I have the money. I don't really need to change these budgets. It comes through safety equipment and uniforms. Um, I have enough money to cover all the guys I have and give them that allowance. So, that's what I I would like to do.

So, is the allowance going to be Is there a criteria, a requirement? Yeah, I will I will have a criteria for we have to do a policy like we do for the food allowance. Yeah, because we can't do blue jeans. If we do, we have to show it as a benefit and they have to pay tax on it. Why? Yeah. Why their work? If they're work conducive to everyday wear, they're not designated as a nobody going to wear the crap they wear out there outside. I can guarantee that. So then how do we get around it? Do we give them overalls? We can put uniform or we can put labels on their or if you require even if you Oh, just put a label on it.

Property of the town of Evansville or you know logo on the gene. Um if it can be wear. Yeah, I know. These guys are dirty as heck though. Yeah. Yeah. These guys and uniform pants is not the way to go. I don't feel No, nobody wants that. especially when you're working out in the winter. And then people people like what they like and they want to wear what they want to wear, be comfortable when you're working. But yeah, we we got audited by the IRS and if we buy jeans, they're conducive to every wear and we have to they have to pay a tax on it. So, we just have to come up with a certain stitch.

Have to put a logo or something that says employee employee patch on the butt cheek. Very cool. Or something. That'd be a very minor expense. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I mean, they're going to destroy every bit of clothing together with a criteria like the boot allowance. You can do it once a year where you can one time or another. They will. Mhm. Yeah. So that's just the nature of the job that they do. I I guess my question would be how to track that allowance and but that's kind of minutia that if we all agreed to go here then we don't have to work out those details here, right?

No, that's why I said moving forward it would just be a policy that you would have to Yeah, you're going to have to put some because I think we would have to define put that policy in because I think that's parameters for it like the boot allowance. So then will we have to up that number? No. No, I don't think we need to up that number. I had split those department. He has six departments and five guys. So yeah, you would just pull I got you. So I would still have six right now. There's five six. There's five guys. I'm trying to get six fulltime guys, but I even with the six, I'd put the numbers to it. And so weird question.

So we could drop it down though if we were allowing for So, here's my question, though. We would need to What about those two seasonal people? I didn't add them into this. It's just for full-time guys. Okay. So, are we on these boots? I think you're giving them boots. I haven't done anything with that yet. My guys, the seasonal guys bought their own stuff, so Okay. I didn't bother with it. I was going to, but

Okay. So, yeah, if you take if you take that across all the budgets, um the numbers I put to it would I could do a $500 allowance for six guys and that's not including myself. I wouldn't put myself in that by any means. So, um Oh, I think you should. Yeah, you need to. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah, but anyway, I could put those guys all into it and still be good with the budget I have. Okay. Currently at a thousand per because I got a thousand per budget. So, but that's not just gear. That's also safety equipment, too.

Yeah. And then I'll still have extra for safety equipment and stuff. Yeah. I mean, on top half Yeah. I mean, sounds like half half goes to equipment, half's going to safety. Typically what they buy out of their safety equipment and uniforms would be like gloves. Gloves very hearts. Yeah. Minor expenses. Not like the fire department, their safety equipment and uniforms, like all their gear that they have to have. Their expense for that kind of stuff is a lot smaller. And the car hearts last a couple of years.

Yeah. Well, they last a long time. Yeah. So, and even like on our boots, I mean some some of these guys like Danny, he's probably going through a pair of boots a year because he he wears them out pretty good. So, they get their boot allowance which comes out of there as well. But that's a year, you know, we got a yearly allowance on that. But some of these boots are lasting, you know, five years or whatever. So, you're not going to be using that money every year. Well, that's why they're allowed. You're sure they will. Yeah. Well, and that's why I mean if we're allowing 500 practically per budget because that's almost per employee. I didn't know if I mean if you're almost allowing half of for when you're looking at when you're looking at a uniform

though those guys are going to go through that every year, right? But you're only saying 500 of that. We've got to budget it as a thousand. That's why I was like, can we drop that down because you're saying you really there's not that much safety equipment and you're only saying 500 for per employee. Per employee, right? That's across across six budget. Six different budgets. Six different budgets. And right, six different. She's saying she wants to take it from a,000 to 500. But I guess I have a question. If we drop this at all, are you going to be able to maintain the program you want? I don't think so. No. Okay. Is it? So I I mean I'd stick with I think that's where it was just I was trying to

because Yeah, because I still want to leave I still want to leave within that budget that sa that extra safety equipment and buffer there. Hard hats, gloves, things like that that I That's where I was just trying to Yeah. No, it does. That's where I was just I wanted to what I know and I'm like I'm trying to figure out what question you're asking. like I was like, "Okay, so we got which way you're asking it." So 50% of this and 50% that's where I was just trying to get it. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Utilities. Okay. Um telephone. I don't know about the cost on that too much, but I didn't change it from 2,000 to 2,000.

Looks historically. Yeah, it looks pretty. Electricity looks high though. Yeah. Can we go down to seven on that one? Maybe. The dialer for the lift stations, isn't it? M the telephone it's been running $2,000 for the last three years. So yeah, I think I I didn't see any reason to change that consistent all the way across. Yeah, I think uh one of the tablets get split in there too. We can drop that electricity. I not even sure high to me came up with that high a number actually on you guys. I may have like seven. That sounds good. Seven. Yeah, that'll kind of meet us. Take electricity down to seven. So, electricity 350. Yes.

Yep. 3M 350. Um, natural gas. I didn't I went up to 22,000 just because I I don't have any numbers for that effect, but I assume that those numbers are going to go up for the cost. Yeah, we're 15 current spins. Yeah, I was think that would be appropriate. Yeah. postage. I I think I took it up to 3,000 just because I assume there'll be an extra cost on that as well. We can leave that at 2500 if we want. I don't do anything with postage. So, it's all the utility bills. Yeah, that's the utility bill. So, that's all these guys. So, you do you think we should keep it at the 3,000 or go to 25? No.

Okay. Because this is we still have three months, right? Right. Y repairs and maintenance. I did take up 230,000. We have a we have a ton of work. Actually, that's not even close to the number I need for repairs and maintenance on sewers. And I don't know I don't know the answers to what I should put in this budget because I'm brand new at this. I mean, I should be throwing Well, you So, that's double from last year. You've got a lot of like you said items you're on there. Yeah.

Um would you be comfortable leaving that and then getting addressing your maintenance items and then you'll have a better better handle next year? Yes. Yes. Um and I think that'll help us out tremendously. And you guys can I mean I I need some education on this but I I got some huge huge numbers that need to be thrown at infrastructure. Um, I don't know if that should be something I deal with here at this table or if that's just strictly through grants and Yeah. or different asks. I mean, yeah. Okay. So, I didn't try to go that deep into that. Small tools seems to be pretty good at a thousand. There's there's not nothing's been spent out of that for three years.

500 been a zero spend for the last three years, which I don't understand. Use it or lose it. Huh? Use it or lose it. Right. Um, can you use it now? Oh, yeah. I've been using I've been using it quite a bit. So, is it just because it didn't happen to come off of this one and it came off of We're two months behind. So, yes. And I think No, I think there's stuff coming off. So, it's coming out someplace else. So, yeah, just not on this budget. Yeah. Well, then I just asked Lexi about that actually and she said that this is a month behind or whatever. Yeah. Two months to go.

And is there something that you need for sewers? Small tools for sewers. Shovels. Always. Yeah. Small tools. And there's always stuff I can use. So that's why I didn't change that. I just left it at cuz spending won't be cut. Well, I don't think $1,000 is out of line for tools. Well, you can spend that awful damn quick. Yes. Well, I would if you're needing them, let's get them caught. Yeah, I would encourage you to, you know, use I will money this year. I'll get into that because

and I have been I've been spending it, which I've been worried about, but I've been spending on some stuff, but I we are way behind on any of that. I I think Robert was told at one point to cut his budget and he went full out and so we haven't spent any money on the last stuff that we need. So anyway, so anyway, I'm trying to upgrade that.

Long story short, uh professional services. Uh the only thing I can think that is for me is like our lift stations and stuff like that. Guys come in and check our motors and um check our lift stations, make sure everything's working right. Our generators are serviced every year. Well, I don't know because historic So I see we're low right now. We're only at 2700 historically. That's scheduled. Yes. They come in every year. Might be shooting. Yep. Just leave it. Yeah. And that's the other thing. I looked across the budget line there right there. Got used. I wish we could adjust.

Uhhuh. 2011 charges are going up. I'm going to refute that one. I think that one should be 15,000. There you go. So, there's your new employee and all your uniforms and everything else. There's going to be a lot of screaming when the super backs up. I'm looking at it like you talking about 300 times after 11. I don't think that's the one we don't have any say over. I knew what she was doing. His face was just like But everybody look at that. So when we are looking at our proposed rate changes and things like that, you can see here that that is

I mean that's that's a 40% roughly increase of where we're at before. Um so that's a reason why right there. That's something I don't know we can change. Vehicle expenses I took up to 2,000 because we're over this year from what we budgeted. We're at 1500 actual, right? So, I took that up 2,000 just for I and I think we're going to probably be fine with that. But I don't Now, what all is that vehicle expense include?

Just repairs. Anything I need to do, tires, windshield? Yeah. Well, one set of tires will eat up that $2,000, right? But I don't need that all the time. So it the tires are good right now. So is this on the silver dodge? This is wastewater. I'm not sure. This is on that van. The gray van, I bet. Yeah. I'm not sure what truck comes out of each budget. Lexi might be on the gray. What's on the wastewater? Okay. So this is just for one vehicle. Okay. All right. Yeah. I don't know.

Okay. I think we're good to go on that then. Uh gasoline 15 gallons doing good. Yeah. Good mileage. Well, in this if the van is what's on this 500 um the only thing I think would be on this would be the back truck and Oh, the back truck would be diesel. So, uh so that would just be the van, right? What what vehicles are on waste? I I think it's the gray van. So just $60 this year. It doesn't get Yeah, we don't use it. It only gets used when we drop we do meter reads with it

with the cost with way fuels going. Yeah, I would leave it. It's never hit 500 once in the history. Yeah. I think though with him getting Oh, if he had if we do Well, right now we're not cutting enough not cutting in the place of getting those. Well, I guess we got other Yeah, I got more other places to go. So, but yeah, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if that's that silver van, if you want to drop those costs on fuel, we're never going to spend $500. I mean, it's 500 bucks in the big scheme of things. It's not going to move you much, right? So, not on that van because depends on if you get more people. Yeah. Will you use it more? Is if we if you do get additional person, you're still not going to use it more? No.

Oh, well then heck, you're not going to use it more. 250. Yeah, that back with the cost of fuel nowadays. If they're not going to use it, then it doesn't matter how much it cost. Use it or lose it. Okay. Well, like I said, that you that van is used for meter reads and major homes go out to do water breaks. So, but it's not like we drive it around every day.

So, I mean, I don't 250 might be a little low, but I don't Let's do it. Save me some money somewhere. Um, diesel fuel I left at a th00and because that's predominantly the back truck on that for wastewater. Now that could go we could use it, but we're at 414 now. Yeah, I think we'll be good with a th00and. Uh, we might see more of that fuel because we're trying to get more maintenance done now. Um, about equipment expense. The next one, you've only spent $94 so far this year and we're

I increased to 4,000. So, I just went I went middle of the road on that but yeah,000. Do you have something that you're wanting to buy or or So, equipment expense on that. I think I went up to 4,000 on that. I don't have numbers for you, but I was thinking um some new um tips for the factor like root cutters and stuff like that. So, you're thinking you need about four grand? That's if we dropped it to two, you've got two available this year plus it would give you two available in July, which would be four. Yeah, that works. All right. Struggle. Oh, sorry.

Any money in there? Um the envelope going down the line the rest of that I don't have anything to do with um envelope envelope stuffers I would highly agree you keep that number for these ladies is obsolete and if it goes there are no parts available for it. So, we're proposing to replace it or else we'll be looking for help every month. Who wants to come stuff envelopes? We've had to do it before for a portion. Yes, it took a step

job creation. It's in there. So, here's a number, guys. I I threw in um for new equipment that is very far off. What do you mean very far off? Not the way you like, Chad. I was gonna say that stuff's like a million. So, I put in $10,000 for a new sewer camera. I had no idea what I was really looking at on that. I looked up a sewer camera, the one we want with the track. I thought we wanted with the tractor wheels and all that stuff to go down look sewer. Um,

don't we have one? The sewer camera we have will not do a three like a 360 view. It's something we need to So what we have will look straight down the pipe. So we can see we can see roots. We can see sections that might be off down the pipe. We can't see like your your connections right where you're where you what am I looking for? Ladders your lads.

Yeah. Um, we can't see those. We can't see any of that. We can't see the top part of the pipe. All we can see is straight ahead of us. And that camera, well, it's got to be over 20 years old. I'm sure it was cameras we used when I was here last. Um, anyway, it it's it's pretty bare minimum. And when it goes down the pipe, it's spraying water back, you get a lot of water spots and stuff like that in that camera. It's hard to get a good view of that pipe. Um, what we really need and I'll show you guys brought some information on that end. You guys can take a look at pass that around.

I put some numbers on it. I got this in an email and I could not tell them the price. Yeah, it's on here. It's on here. So, you're not going to tell us. I got to see it. I couldn't he gave me pricing in an email. I couldn't get it to print, but I could print his. So, that's a that's a loan thing there. But

I is there somebody else has got one you can rent when we need. So, we have to have one. We can use Caspers. No, that's Casper. Casper. I'm pretty sure I know. No, you don't. Yeah. Well, no, I do because I was uh actually this is cheaper than Casper is. That's a lot cheaper because Casper was almost close to a mill. Really? Yeah. They put it in a vehicle though.

They did. They put it in a vehicle and they have it was it's it's the whole setup that it was. Uh but when we were having issues over here when that had that big backup um Caster was nice enough to bring out their cameras when they were able to bring it down and then it's on just a little remote where they just they start scaling it in and they can it's a whole 360 degree and then it does everything. It's it's really nice. This one I looked at at the water conference. He can do a full van setup. Told you Chad you like it? Yeah. It's like we're going the wrong way.

$300,000. But uh we do need I mean it's something and maybe next year I'll budget for it more. I don't know. Well, and also you know maybe it's something that we can look at with the state low interest loan or something or grant or loan or something like that. He did send me out. I sent that loan with that but um stay on good terms with Casper. Yeah, yeah, that was awful nice of them to come over and look at that for us and being able to try to figure out well with all the issues that we were having. But here's something that I do think for you guys and something that we need to do

is, you know, Kim was talking about capacity development and that kind of stuff. We need to go through our systems and identify what we have. That camera will help that out tremendously. um go through our system, identify what we have, how old it is, stuff that needs to be replaced, and start figuring out how we're going to I'll show you guys some numbers on that that I got from Shane because they're pretty and that's cheap compared to what I've gotten from Shane. But I don't doubt we need it. I think we just got to figure out a plan that's the budget all at once.

This being my first year doing this, I wasn't sure how to do all this. And plus, I didn't get that information until I was already done with this. So, you'll learn once you're seasoned. Yeah, I'll get seasoned maybe. But anyways, yeah, we can turn that down if you guys want. We can figure it out. But 10,000 is not going to touch it. Yeah, that's minus 10. Yeah, that's not going to touch it. Going once. So, it's zero, right? Insurance, property, and equipment. I don't I didn't change anything. I guess I up to 3,000. Um, probably same. Yeah, you're at 2,700 spend right now. So,

yeah, that's probably because I seen we went over, but yeah, and that's again the yearly maintenance, service, and agreements 5,000, right? We're at 4,975 and it's all ahead. What I show, we save $15,750. Take that$10,000. That's a big truck there. That helps a lot. Um, what's this is reimburseable. You got that just in time.

Okay. Water distribution again. I ain't nothing subscriptions. I think I got that at a thousand for water conferences and stuff like that. Okay. Which one are we on? Sorry, I was water distriution. Yeah, distribution. Say they should be in Yeah, I tried to put them in order of when we were sorry. I don't even know where we're at. Registration. You did good. D and subs and subscription. We can probably take that back to 800 if you guys want.

Okay. Um 200 uh line item 200. Yeah. 800. So which 800 where we at? Uh 75 200 200. Oh okay. about eight down registrations down 800 I believe registration thousand

was pretty close to that credit card yeah leave that alone yes if we can Um, printing I don't know why I took it to 800. Can that one go to five? It's almost double. Yeah, we could take it. I mean, I think we can take it to five. Lexi, correct me if I'm wrong. 310 500. Yep.

Safety equipment uniforms. I don't want to mess. That's one budget. I guess I have 500 in. If anything, if anything, I actually would want to with what I want to do. I since that's enterprise, increase that one to a,000. But if anything, but I got 500 in here. So, well, was I going to give you your what you want to do for your program? That's as long as I don't lose anything in all the other ones, I'll be good. Are you sure? No. Let's increase it to a,000 if we can. I mean, we just knocked 1,200 off. So, yeah, get rid of that. If we can increase that, though. We knocked. No, sorry. I miscalculated. Yes, I miscalculated.

I was like, wait a minute. What did I miss? I added up what we left instead of what we took off. If I can take that 500 back, I'll put it in safety equipment. Okay. Okay. So, that's going to be,00. Yeah. So, we're 200 down. 500. Um, telephone. So, 320. We're going to a,000. Yeah. Telephone. Can we go to 1500 with telephone? You're at 1295 or 12 95 right now. Yeah, we can go to I mean I think we go to 1500. Couple. Yeah. You still got And we're two months behind. So probably Oh, yeah. Never mind. Sorry. 2000.

Yep. Never mind. Never mind. to go. What's the next one? I don't even know what the water sewer sanitation. What would that be? Fill station. Oh, the fill station. Yeah, we keep track of the water that goes through the meter, which the fill station more than pays for itself with what we bring in revenue wise, right? But we do keep track of it. Well, we're I did put 15,000 in there and I just went back to 2425 where we 15,779. Yeah, but the other years were always were lower. So, we could we take that back to 13. Yeah, we're different current budget year. Yeah,

I think it's going to depend on the year. That's the only thing because we can't calculate. Yeah, but historically, we only hit this mark once in the last several years. Yeah. Now granted that doesn't take into effect no we don't have water increases we produce our so

yeah I mean I we're currently at 114 so I 13 which was current budget so yeah you guys waiting for me to say something let's take it back to 13 long as it puts money somewhere else I can take it doesn't hurt you ladies To my correct right now we have a actual cut of 2,000. Great. Uh correct because we cut two, cut three, and then we added00 and then we added the five. Yeah. Okay. Just wanted to double check that I've got my number. We're going to 13 on that. 13,

right? Are you guys okay with that? Okay. Till we're not. Till we're not. Yes. Please stop talking to me. I don't know. We have the 200 on subscriptions. Subscriptions. Yeah, we dropped that 200. Yep. So that's right. But then there was a 200 that we dropped and then we dropped 300 from the printing. Y took it all back. Yep. And then we took all that back and gave it back into uniform. Okay. I just wanted to make sure we're where we're at.

I leave electricity at a th00and just because once again that's a crapshoot right now. Yeah. So postage had 2500, but it looks like that is low compared to all other years I got on. So, but look at the previous year been running 36 35. So, if anything that probably should be maybe increased, but three take it to three at least. Yeah,

you've only spent a thousand of it. Yeah. So far this year, split it between early March. I don't split it between every single one every month. I look and see when Ambi bills us for postage and then I go through where all the budgets are at and then I pull from number we will definitely spend what is budgeted this year. I think currently right now we have $200 left to spend in there for the rest of the year. Or should we take that to three? I Anyhow, if we can take that to three, let's 32. 32. Yeah.

32. 32. So, we're doing three or 32? 32. 32. I like it. 32. I take a small portion out of general government because we do have some that that we mail, but the majority is the water bills. So that night, that one's on you.

I increased and I don't have numbers for you guys, but um I increased repairs, maintenance uh to 30,000 because I want to replace some meter pits and curb stops around town. Um I don't have those numbers in front of me, but I do feel like we need to get a lot of that done. There's a lot of old stuff in town. A lot of curb stops that could be replaced and that'll go like that. Yeah, I'll use start ordering some meters.

I promise you I'll use it. Um, we got a lot of meter pit. They had a meter pit plan at one time. In fact, it's on the board down there in my office on getting these meter pits changed around town and um it stalled. They didn't get anywhere with it. But I'm going to try to push that plan a little bit. So, starting from the east side of town, looking this way, getting some of those old pits replaced. So, that's why I have that 30,000 in there. Um, you guys won't argue with me about that. Hopefully, I can get that done.

It's a necessary um, small tools again. I took it up to a,000. We could drop it back to 500, but I'm I'm trying to get better tools down there. So, that's why I took that up to a,000. Um, trying to get those all organized and in better shape. Professional services. We kept the last one at a thousand. Might as well keep this one at a thousand. Yeah. For tools. Yeah.

Yeah. If we can I I I'll use it. You I got a full year to mess around with this stuff now instead of five months. So, I guarantee I'll use it. So, or uh what's that? What' you say? Oh, use or loser. Yeah. Um professional services audit. Huh? Audit. Audits. We should just leave that at a choice with that one. It's audit. Vehicle expenses. So, yeah, you doubled those but aren't at the spend.

Mhm. 500. Yeah, we take it back to 500. 500.

What vehicles do I have on 110? What? The 110. Which one is that? The newest Ford. Yeah. Yeah, we should be good there. Gasoline I left alone. I don't think I need to drop that back. If I do, I'll be in big trouble. Diesel fuel. You doubled that. I doubled that just because of the current costs. Um hopefully that'll go down and we don't see those costs, but we're hoping. Yeah.

Next one. That one's a big jump. Mhm. Well, we b I didn't change it from the year before, but we haven't spent it. We haven't spent it either. So, um water distribution. I'm trying to think what I would use equipment expense for. I think we've done like push some of the repairs to like the heavy equipment. Um, and something I would like to get on that, which I think I could get. Well, you currently have nine grand to spend this year, so half that for next year. Yeah.

Yeah, we can do that.

Yeah. See, that's that's what I need somebody to tell me, hey, you got this. You know, this like I could use a new valve turner on that. Yeah. So, you you go ahead and get what you need to order now and then it'll still that'll soften the next year's blow. Yeah. So, you know how much you don't like

and another envelope. Fraction of the cost. The cost is spread out through Yeah. 1350 through 5,000. What's the ultimate cost of this? I think I think it's 5,000 roughly around five. Okay. That's a good point. I like the way you put it be expensive because I'm always when I think I need something I'm always got to be careful. Well, see traditionally

Yeah, he he quoted and this was this was just kind of a rough spend. We also catch up. Hopefully, you won't even have parts. You don't have any problems. But they also said that a lot of the tech stuff is going up. So, I think we rammed it to 5,000. Yeah. Just to be to be safe because we want to have a stuffing party every month. Here's where I'd come in with some big money. And I didn't I didn't split this.

Employ a whole bunch of the kids at the school. Make sure the address fits in the envelope where the window is. She want a new truck. Yeah. So, we need to get another truck. We got for 60. Oh, yeah. Well, 60 is where the reason I put that number in there is I kind of split the I looked at a 3/4 ton and a half ton. And I got some numbers from I looked at all the different brands, but um the cost from a half ton to a 3/4 ton is really not that big a difference. And so I just plug 60,000 in there to be safe.

So which truck's going out? Uh that silver Dodge is in bad shape. So, well, I fixed it up some, so it's not horrible, but I could still use it for parks and stuff like that, but we need another another truck for that purpose. So, anyway, and I'm going to try to also I can probably lower that number and I'm not sure what I can get yet, but I'm going to try to do a trade in on that little I have a little minivan down there. A mini minivan. Is that the gray one? No, that's a white one. White one. The gray one. I'm not trying I don't want to get rid of the white gray one.

That one's the bigger one. There's a smaller. There's a little mini mini van down there. So, they bought it for They bought it years ago for water meters or something. They used all that stuff out from down stairs earlier today. Yeah. Yeah, they hauled all that stuff out. But I saw that little baby van back in there. Yeah. What the hell's they going to do with that? And next thing I see, they're bringing some cones out. Okay, well that'll work for that. Then they brought the big pads out and I said that ain't going to fit in there. Yeah. Not two of them. So yeah. So that's why, you know, I need another truck for those guys in parts or I'll give those guys that gray truck. But um

we'll put a question mark by that one. I'll probably take this new one and then Robert will get that white dot back and Danny uses that distribution or that Ford that we have under distribution. So, well, actually, you have your work cut out for you. Why? Finding 60 grand. Well, it's already in the budget. I didn't say that's in the but uh you've already got that plugged into this, huh? Yeah. Anything in this column right here is plugged into the and then the next the next thing that I have big on that is a new skid steer. That's just money. Why? What the hell?

So the one there is brand new. Yeah. Obviously you're importing it from the Orient. We just 35,000 that I split it over two budgets. So you see 35 in two places, but um actually I can stay pretty close to that 35. Did you say you have something on that? I do. And I'll show you that information. That bobcat's 5 years old maybe. Oh, we just bought it. Yeah, that bobcat I'm trying to get rid of. It's brand new. That's what I'm asking. What? Why? What? I don't understand. It doesn't have um it doesn't do what we need to do. You got a loader for that, huh? You got a loader for that.

It's Yeah, it's a loader. That's basically what that bobcat is. So, the original ask was bad. Yes. What I'm hearing? Yes. What do you need it to do that? Which one? The skid steer, the new one. I got plenty of stories to tell you on that. But the that Okay, so first off, let me answer your question. That little Bobcat Yeah. that they bought. I think they bought it to plow the trails around. No, that was a replacement skid steer. We traded in the old skid steer and bought it. They have the arms. They had all this stuff. It was supposed to be the new skid steer.

It has zero power. It will not It's a hydrostatic drive type thing. It's okay for lawn and garden. It's not for what we and it can't run any of our attachments or any of that. So that I'm going to turn which I can get 30,000 for which comes back to some of these numbers which I want to show you guys. But so these are some of the I'll pass these around to you. These are the higher numbers. These are couple bids I got and you don't care. This number I got from Stos just recently with they're giving me they would give me the highest tradein value on that Bobcat at 30,000 and I could get that SK 48.

And you said just being pulled from two look different. Yeah. So, originally I and Sto didn't have my bid to me when I did this budget. So, potentially we could save money here is what I'm hearing. You've got 70 grand budgeted, but you've got a 50 grand purchase price. Yeah. Yeah. 50 after the traded. That's 50 after the traded. After the trade. Yeah. that comes out at Is that skid steer comparable the proposed new one? Would that be comparable to the other to our old one? Yes.

Which I want to keep our old one too because it's still it's still in good shape. That other John Deere we have. But the reason I want this one is that one's not enclosed and I have a lot of stuff that I could use an enclosed skid like stro street sweepers and things like that that you can't do and it just throws up a bunch of dust and you can't sit in that one without an enclosure. So

the only thing that keeps my I guess keeps me from spinning my head spinning off is you're getting $30,000 trade in. I think we were at $36,000 when we bought that thing cuz we traded in something else at the time. So, we're not out a ton of money. I recall my number maybe off a little bit, but I just I thought it was in the 30. Yeah, it was 30 something. I want to say 36. I just hate the fact that we bought something a few years ago. Yeah. Then now we're never It's never used. It's sitting in the shop because it has no power. It doesn't have the guts to do what we need to do. So, why did they get So, what are you Yeah. What? Wait. So, somebody didn't do their So, you answered his. So, what are you what are you using that for? What What do you need the skidster for? What do I need the skidster for?

Yeah. What stuff? Um, I use a skidster for everything. I use it for asphalt work. I use it for water repairs. I use it for street sweeping. I use it for snow removal. I use it for everything. Skister is an allaround tool. Plus, I got all the attachments. I have a brush hog. I have a I have um I have a snowblower attachment that goes on that. I have street sweeper stuff that goes on that. There's actually a ditch witch down there attachment that goes on that. Sounds like the current one was just mised. Yes. Um I don't know who that

is what it is. It doesn't matter. It is what it is. I got the wrong thing. The only thing that thing's good for is plowing the trail around Reaw and even then it powers out if you got heavy snows. So, so it has very low hours on it. Are you getting the money? But in essence, we could drop the 35 to 25. Yep. Yeah. Well, if we go with if we go with uh I mean, would that one do Yeah. Right. But would that do what you technically we don't have to bid it out because um those guys are source well everyone but we can't trade traded source well you can

I don't know enough about source well but I know because it's a piece of equipment valued over 500 we talked about that you said you looked into that I think source well you can that's what Bobcat told me and that's what John Deere told Either way, we could we should be able to auction it for the round in there if we they push came to shove, I would assume. Yeah. But even bidding, they should bid with or I don't know if they do they put tradeins on the bids. Yeah, they will. So, I mean, as long as we've got that, I mean, right? and Stokes is willing to put up a bid for it. We've done our due diligence and we got but I'm just asking if this

if Stoes were to put in their bid that is something that you need can utilize. That's the one you want. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So in three four years we're not trading another. So that's where I'm getting at. So we can drop 10k off this though. So instead of new skits, it' be 20. We dropping 10 off new skid steer the new equipment cuz that bid's 50 that we just passed around dropping to 25. Yeah, cuz it's split across two different departments. Yeah. You just want to make sure you're getting what you need. Yes. Yes. No. And I've researched that quite significantly

and I've talked to both all these guys. So, um, I can only get 20,000 out of these two guys for that Bobcat, but John Deere came back with 30,000 and a lower shade all around. And they're closer. And they're Yeah. closer. I won't let them work on my chainsaws, but So, anyways, okay, moving forward. I keep you guys here on that, I think. Um, yeah, I would not prefer that. So, we're at maintenance and agreements. Yeah, it looks around historically. Yeah. The only thing I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Last couple years has been right at that 10 grand mark. So, yeah, we've just saved 10. So, so Well, that puts us at 16,800 potentially 76,000. What did you say? 16,800. We take the truck off there. Don't take the truck off. 201750.

Okay, this one's going to be a crazy question. Probably sanitation. Yeah, hold on just a minute. We're not there yet. Um, Dan. Okay, yeah, cuz we did we lost the five and then we did uh then we added Where are we at here? two grand. You got two grand and then we added $750. So then we were at $1,250. Or wait a minute.

Yeah. 1,250. 700. We added we took 700. 700. Yeah. 700. So we went from 25 to 32. 24. So 700 drop us to 13 and then we add another 500 on vehicle expense 5 and 10 16 where was just like I'm off something here. See this is why I'm like checking my numbers. Yeah. Yeah. It gets confusing. We go over so many things in so many different ways. Well, first year I had no idea where we So how much did you come up with a minus $16,800? Yep. Plus orusgative state. No, we saved

no budget's gone up so far. They've all gone down. Okay, got you. Got 168. Good. So, we saved. I got Okay, so on this sanitation sanation, news and subscriptions, I'll save you another fight on the doc. All right, we can do that one at 500. There's no reason for it to be a th000 registrations. I don't know what that is. What got dropped to 500? Excuse me.

Yeah, that's no reason for it to be in a thousand. I just carried that number over. I'm sorry, guys. This is trying to learn this system. Registrations. Is that where you're at? Yeah. Registrations. I got zero. Zero. Yeah. You have zero in there, buddy. Yeah. We're good with that one. Got nothing. Nothing. Nothing on the next three. Um credit card. I didn't mess with that. I did mess with that, I guess. Yeah.

Because of the number being we're above on 45. I would already over and historically you're there anyway. So Um, printing I left at 100. Looks like we're at 80. So I just I think 100. Do we need to go up with that? You think? Seems like it not hit 100 yet. I don't do printing is not my thing. 100 bucks is I mean that I just obviously anything that you would ever really probably use out of there is if you were

printing door hangers or something that were specific to garbage or something. Well, you used 80 this year. So, and I know in the past they bought like stickers for the garbage cans that say stay within x amount of feet away. So, I don't think you we're okay with having Yeah. Uh obviously I want to keep a thousand at safety equipment uniforms. Y um postage that seems on track of budget. Mhm. Yeah, that's historically there. Repairs and maintenance. I got 3,000. You're at half that. Your current spend. I'm at half that. But

now that you know you have 15, it's like I got some things to get fixed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even know if I'm at that honestly. We're probably over that potentially. Yeah. But over the your amount. Yeah. Because Well, this is what a couple Well, again, you got 1,500 to spend this year. Yeah. And then you would have next year. So, you basically between from now forward have uh 4,500. Yeah. Yeah. That's sufficient. If that numbers, but I've done a lot of repairs on this sanitation thing. Um, uh, chemicals. I put that number. Did you leave?

I put $1,000 in there for the guys asked me for degreaser for cleaning the truck out, the bins. Um, and 409. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea, though. Well, five gallon bucket of it. So, small tools. We can drop We can drop small tools. We can drop small tools 500 on that if you guys are you guys want to do that. We've been keeping our small tools below for the last two. We've been keeping it. So that's I just going to ask you are you sure? But you've been keeping it at a thousand

last two department. Yeah, let's keep it. I'll spend I'll spend it. You're making me change. Yeah, you're a loser. That's going to be all right. Next one though we got to talk. That's professional services. You're currently at two grand. Audit. Oh Never mind. No choice. No choice. Well, you look at it across the board. Historically, it's it's a wash bail charges. I can't. It's outside of my scope practice. You can, you know, you can reduce that one too by 45 by $100,000. And there's your some of the stuff you need. I'm not sure what you're going to do with all that.

Yeah. Dump in the river. Yeah. Dump it in the river. You might need to dump it. Let me go see right now. Just saw 30ome% increase. You are being recorded. You're on camera. Yeah, but they can't understand. Lexi is going to go take a look at the bail charges, see where we're at. You guys want to keep going while she's doing that? Yeah, we'll skip that one.

I took it. I will guarantee you that number is white. Yeah. on the You're probably right. You're probably right. All right. Vehicle expense.

I took it up 2500 just because I've had to do so many repairs and stuff on these trucks if that counts in there. These trucks are always needing something. So that's why I took it to that. Um, I don't guess. I'm guess on diesel fuel. Took that up just because of the cost of diesel right now. And they're paying Oh, I think they told me the last time they filled up was $230 to fill the garbage truck. So, I think that's going to add

I think it's been running the same as what Flying J is. And I think last time I looked I think they were 575 a gallon for diesel. So, um, ripoff and I think Okay, so in this one, I'll pass this around you guys to if you guys want to see this stuff. I'm just giving you an explanation, but um, I'm right. Huh? The bearer of bad news. Yep. That's what I thought. Currently, we're at 145 for the year that we spent. So,

truthfully, I would say probably 165 to 170. Mhm. Let's go 160. 165. It's going to say 165. What did we 165? Yes. Is that it? No. No, you're fine. We were just changing. We don't like what? Okay. Our envelope stuff. This No. No. So, I'll pass this around. Last time I think the envelope I took this up to the park general government

45,000. I'm pretty sure because I want to add a new rack for truck 150. They put a new rack on 123 last year. Um, and it works very well. Uh, 150 did not get that done. So, which one do you run most? I run them both. Okay. I haven't taken as many calls for cracked. Oh, there's a bunch of them.

You know, it it got real quiet there for a while and then all of a sudden, bam, we started getting the phone calls like two weeks ago. So, what's what's going on with 150 is its rack is not designed very well to pick up our roll outs. So, it'll pick them up. But what it does when it squeezes it just squeezes the snow out of literally they they crack the lids break where they don't empty all the way. They don't empty all the way because it go back and but it only has one setting. You can't like feather it and get it to do any different. You hit the button, it squeezes,

and it's the way it's the design of the rack. Um, but it will save in the long run, I think. Yeah, exactly. And I'll show you that number coming up, too. So, how long do you intend to keep those trucks? I'm going to look at next year looking at or the year after getting rid of 123. 123 is our oldest one. It's a 2006. You have two trucks, right? Yeah. One just got this lift. 123. The older truck got the the new rack. 120. The 50 is the newer one. Same rack on the newer one. Yeah. I'm just the I mean, if we were going to replace this truck next year, I wouldn't think that would be it.

Yeah. So, I mean, I would like to we get a couple years out of it at least. Well, which that that's the newer truck that I'm trying to replace it on. So, we would get a couple years out of it. If I replace a truck, it'll be 21 23 cuz it's older. And even if we decide to go that route, the build out would be a yearish, right? Or two, right? Got it. Be a couple years out anyway. So, and the trucks are what? 2010, 2015. Yeah. I know. I can remember. We put so many money in so much money in those arms every year. Yeah. that I can't say this is and I continue

I continue to jump well I've had to do a lot of and it's working well on the other one though 123 it's working well it doesn't crush the cans it's something to do with the design of how that rack curves or whatever and when it shuts it doesn't squeeze that can so tight um so and citizen call They thought that their car or that their garbage bin had been run down by Yeah. there ring cameras to see who hit and mangled their bin to find that was the garbage truck. Yeah. Just And then we have those rollouts are not cheap either.

They're not cheap, which I got some prices on those, but we're uh we're going through rollouts like crazy because of that. So, yeah. Then the maintenance on the arms, I know it's a few thousand dollars every time that thing breaks. So, yeah, leaking hydraulic fluid and yeah, kind of gotten over some of that. That seems like it's slow down. Yeah, I think we've gotten some some of that solidified. Hopefully I say that all envelope stuffers again. quarter. Yeah. Quarter share.

Um, and then I put in, so I increased this new equipment budget from 8,000 to 18,000 because I want to get um, and I got some numbers here for you guys, but I want to get some new dumpsters. I need a few dumpsters, and I need a bunch I'm going to need a bunch of roll outs. I got to keep up on those because they get damaged, they get windb blown, they get thrown around. Well, this is a direct reason why the other cost. Yes. Yes. But I'll show you those numbers. If we have to keep if we have to keep replacing roll outs like we are, those numbers are pretty spendy. Um, so

how much are they each? I'll show you there. About about 500. Oh, no. They're more than that. I think I was curious what it was. So that's my goal. So there's two different kinds here. So that's the big one. These are the This is the four yard three yard metal ones. That's the big ones. That's the big ones. And those are the roll the roll outs here. So it breaks down every piece on there, but

right at 700 bucks piece. Yeah. And like I said, we're replacing them all the time. Yeah. Even the new ones we they're just the trucks are just that truck is just right specifically. So with the do you see potentially um buy like kind of like what we do with fire department how they're buying 10 new sets of bunker gear every year. So every year you just going to try to break down the cost a little bit but obviously you have to have some because if a house gets built you got to put some you know hey I need you know well and I have to keep I have to keep a supply of those.

No. Yeah. Hopefully, we can decrease the breakage of them because once they're cracked and broke, they're done. They just got I got to take them to um if I can decrease that with this repair. Um that would be good. We might get lids broken. They might get blown by the wind. They might have those issues. I can replace the lids. I think our hope is if we spend the money for the arm, get our stuff up to speed, maybe we could drop it a little bit next year because we're not damaging as much,

right? Which we should. We should. And and I'm trying to I'm trying to repair all the old that I can. Unfortunately, with these plastic rollouts, I'm kind of done. I can't repair. So,

okay. Um, I've got, you probably noticed around town as far as the dumpsters goes. We're trying to get most of them refurbished and repaired, taken back out around town, changing out old, bringing in new um, stuff like that. So, my goal, I just I actually just rode around with Jimmy. Jimmy's my sanitation guy. He rode every alley and everything. We're going to work from the east the the west side of town to the east side of town. Um changing out. So I started I started on western um flat part kind of down going down that business district there. We started changing those out with new painted and he does he's doing an awesome job. But but I need I need some dumpsters to replace the old while I'm getting them refurbished. And I got to I got about six dumpsters down there left right now and they're all I'm going to try to get those repaired so I can still use them. But they're tweaked there. They've been bent. I don't know how old these things are, but they're bent pretty bad. So

Well, this one went the wrong way. Yep. This one added 19,500. So got added. Yeah. Yeah. Charges. Oh yeah. So we got a 20k there. Yeah. So sorry. Sorry I got so many buckets. Nice. Park listening to me. PW after community center.

So, here's something I I don't want to lower those wages, but it looks like I only use 10,000 this year. had open positions cuz we had open positions. So yeah, I'd like to leave that obviously where it's at. Don't touch my numbers. I put a lot of thought into those. Yeah, I'm not touching any of those. Yeah, I'm sorry. D and subscriptions of uh dues and prescript subscriptions and prescriptions. using prescriptions.

We've been dropping that down to five. We all need a prescription every Yeah, I'm at 560 on that one. So, this one historically has been higher. I'm guessing there's different There's something else on this one. Yeah, it has been higher. It's 800 all the way across 900. Maybe keep what we do with those in general. Yeah, I think we would just because of the historically it's been so close. Mhm. registration somehow I got $88 that I don't know why you got you bought zero so we're good with that one yeah zero 230 lodging and meals would be the next

I got 500 in lodging and meals and I don't know if I thinking education and stuff like that sending guys places you traditionally subscriptions 500 right No, because historically it's been 800 and between 800 and 900. 900. Okay. Yeah. So, I think we'd shorter ourselves. I don't even know why I got 500 in there, honestly, guys. Put 200 in there. 200. Yeah. So, we can drop 300 from logs. Make that 200. Yeah, we're dropping 300, right? Yeah. Drop it down to 200.

Office supplies. We had a thousand budget last year. I just carried that over. We probably take that to 500. 500. Yeah. And that'll cover your toner and stuff for your side. We're currently at 217. I'm at 217. I think you just spent a little bit recently. Yeah, we had to get a new something for I would say. Can we take it down to 500? Yeah, that's what we did. Okay. Yeah, take it down. I didn't want to take it down too.

Yeah. Um printing. That's you guys. I got it at 100. I don't know why I put it at 100. Be honest with you. You spent 40 business cards. Okay. 50 bucks worth adjusting. Probably take it to 50. Yeah, if you want that. Um, see this one I got up to 2,000. Yeah, this one's take it back to a,000. I think I took it to 2,000 cuz I spent 1208 out of it. And that's probably just a coding error on my

or something. I think you were getting caught up on some things. Yeah. Back to a thousand. Yeah, I think they get back to a thousand. Probably got some car hard hats and stuff like that on that. I think you did get Did you buy some jackets or something? Yeah, I got jackets, hard hats. And I'm So, does anything coming out of Menards go into general? No, I coding them because you showed me how to do that. I'm sorry. Shut up. Say yes. When you bring me your receipts, you put a little I put them on there. I don't know. I probably coded those on there. Uh telephone. I got a th00and in there. It's like your cell phone.

Why? I went up to a,000. So we go 500 on that one. You guys Well, you would go 750. I'll go 750. That's fine. Six. Six. It looks like it's been good across the board this entire time. Yep. We haven't gone above six. I say we go to six. Six looks good. Six good to me. Go to six. Sounds good to me. One of our cell phones that you should have. What's the next one? Your utilities water sanitation. I don't know how. I believe that. Yeah. Water you use at your shop.

Yeah. I've lost my spot. Electricity. Yeah, like that. I' I'd leave that at first. Natural gas. Probably leave that alone, too. Yeah, leave it. We had such a mild winter, but yeah, we could hope next winter is Yeah, I don't think the first aid supplies haven't been stocked. And I don't know what happened there. I like the guys not coming down and stocking our stuff or doing anything. I don't want to take first aid supplies away. I would encourage you to

stock and use it. Yeah, I'll stock and use it since but Yeah, because I mean that stuff does expire. Yes. And I need to get I need to get that up. Repairs maintenance building like carried 8,000 across 2425. Looks like we use 7260. I think you've had some repairs. Yeah. And I I don't want to lose that because sometimes those doors and stuff fail. I just saw a bill recently for a repair on the garage door. Yeah. Several months ago, we got a How much was that?

I can't remember. It doesn't take long to uh to rack it up, though. No. those big garage doors. Yeah, but we've never hit 8,000. What if we put five on it? 5,000. 8,000. 5,000 would give you 7 again 6,500 to spend right now because you still got that in your current budget plus that. Okay, we know that five small tools. Keep that. Yeah, I think we've been consistent with that. Custodial supplies. probably keep it at 500. I only spent 145, but your cleaning supplies and toilet paper and

paper towels. Paper towels. Yeah, if I get more employees, I might need more. So, uh, professional services, public works general. On anything I can think on that is, uh, drug testing. Was drug testing in that maybe? And then the guys come in and uh change out our carpets and stuff like that. That might be profession. Yeah, professional services. So So we dropped that down to four. We've never 350. Yeah. We've never hit 350. So I would think we'd be good at what the professional services. We've never Yeah. Never. 326 is the most we've ever spent. 350.

350. Yeah, I think so. 350. Yeah. Yeah.

Expense. Look like we budgeted 500. 218. You only hit a grand once. 750. 500. What vehicles on this one? Truck Dodge. Yeah, we drop that back to 500. 500. new tires or anything? Windshield? I just got the windshield replaced. Um, you could need tires eventually, but they're not bad right now. Really? Make it a year. I think so. Yeah. What are we dropping it to? 500. 500.

Yeah. Gasoline. Um just increase that because fuel cost see put that on there equipment expense I don't I don't know what equipment comes out of public works general. No that's going to be what your I don't know if you have like a drill press. Oh any of that kind of stuff. Yeah. Anything that's equipment that's attached to the shop. Oh,

okay. Like welders and things like that. Stuff that's there. Okay. Uh, I'd prefer to leave that alone then in that aspect. I got some maintenance stuff I need to work on. You got some money there to to use? Yeah. uh supplies and inventory of 4500 just because the extra cost of stuff. We probably historically it's been Yeah, it's been up there. So pretty your barrels of oil filters. Yeah, we probably better definitely do that one.

And here's another question I have for you guys. Maybe you can help me out with this. We changed the oil on the police cars. put indicate on there that comes out of their budget. Okay. So, if you purchase oil and filter for their units, which I did on one of the receipts I just you wrote PD oil change. I put it to their budget because you did not. But if you indicate on there, it's for it comes out of their Okay. So, that just that's what we Okay. All right. Yeah. Because I saw you wrote whatever code and then you said PD oil oil change. for the filter. And I was like, "Nope, that goes to them." Yeah. Um, yeah,

office equipment we do need. I don't know if you guys have been down in the shop much, but all of our chairs and stuff like that are all I think most of them have never put anything new in there. It's all been out of the whatever we picked up on second Tuesday pickup and stuff like that. So, in all honesty, good. Yeah, this looks good. That's what they're doing. In the trash. Hey, that doesn't look bad. I don't use that. They're literally saving them. Yeah, that's that's what they're doing. So, I think I'd like to replace some of those and uh and I also want to put computers in there because um I could possibly update that computer, Roberts, but then we're putting a new hard drive in that. So,

he's No, he's just getting it as an external so he can do a backup on it because he can't even get that computer to do a backup. Right. So, um I did get the And so was getting rid of some of their computers because they they were convinced that they were getting stuff out of their computers that wasn't good. So, um, we got those computers. This public works shop doesn't care about any of that stuff. So, um, so we got their computers. So, we got some good computers down there. So, anyways, um,

but you need Roberts replaced, too? I do need Roberts replaced. So anyways, so that stand Yeah, I think that's Yeah, that hard drive that was just one that he came back at that computer. Saved the 5,900 bucks on that one. That's almost one share of an envelope and stuff.

Let's see my next streets and alleys. Is that what I mean? The envelope stuff. They don't want to come in and stuff each month. I'll do it. Make sure it's funded. That's all. Safety equipment and uniforms. I honestly just carried the 600 across. That was before I thought about this safe this uh so up that.

Yeah. Uniform allowance. So if we could up that to a th00and that would be good. this repair and maintenance is crack fill and street repair. I think I got a figure out where to put all this stuff now guys. So, here's a quote we got for a crack fill machine. I thought we had a brand ambulance. We have one, but apparently this one's supposed to be better. So, we have one. Literally just Yeah. No, we have one. You have one, but this is We have one maybe a handful of things.

Okay. Robert was asking me to put in for this one because it's a cold crack bill versus and it doesn't take as many guys. I'm a hard no on that one. I don't know about you guys, but we have one and it wasn't I don't even know that it was used last year. We have one. It was used. Okay. I would say it's minimal. It's minimal though. Minimal. Yeah. But we have one. Okay. All right. Yeah, we got one. We got one down there. It's I don't know how many times it's been used and I can't account for that. But um but that's supposed to be some new crack fill system. That's easier. Yeah. So,

and how much was that? 60,000. Yeah. For that thing. Yeah. So, you don't need any budget besides that? Oh, no. I need budget. I thought you I was in 60. You take the full 60,000. I had 60,000. Um I think we budgeted 30 last year. What is that? Is there a price there? Just for a machine. Yeah. Seven grand. Oh, for the whole Isn't there a total? Oh, there's there's no other total. I think we had take all the numbers. Maybe 11 grand. 12, right? Yeah, you're probably around 12,000. Yeah,

I think if I stuck with that 30,000. 30 drop. I think didn't we buy the other crack from team lab? Yeah, probably. I can't remember where we got it. Did you want to see it? We really got to watch the stuff we're buying. We're buying the right and using it. Yeah. So, because I we just can't. Lexi, is there anything on the other side of that page or just It's just the email. All right. So, we dropped out to 30. Is that correct? Correct. I think this cover all your I like that. Mhm. Yeah. That patching and everything and supplies for

Here's a problem I do have which I'll share with you guys when I'm done with this. Okay. Small tools. Just leave it a,000 on streets and alleys because shovels, brakes. Oh, yeah. We've been consistent with that. Vehicle expense. I don't know what's on streets and alleys, honestly. It was $500. We haven't spent any. We haven't spent any What's on streets and alleys in case? What vehicle? 200. Um, well, there would be the older Ford flatbed flatbed. You've got the lift truck. Okay. Um,

I don't know that those trucks get consistently They don't get used flatb gets used all the time. But the most you've spent 191. So, could we drop that to 200 bucks? Because you didn't spend anything this year so far or last year. Or last year. Last year. Or the year before. Yeah. The year before was 40. The year before that was nothing. So, we got to go back 5 years before you even spend 191 bucks. And you're trying to get me to go to what? That covers your most you've ever spent on that line item. What's the tires look like on that Ford? One ton because that's got a slip tank on the back of it.

Buy one tire. Buy me one tire. Yeah, I think they're good. Yeah, we can probably drop it down. I'll figure out where to get it somewhere else. But I need tires. I think they're pretty good. So, you comfortable with that? Yeah. Did you say 200? Yep. And fuel spent 636 on that truck. That does get the tanks filled. I assume that comes out of that same if if they fill the slip tank. I try to split that split that between streets, parks, distribution, wastewater. Okay.

Um um he's had he had 1500 budgeted last year. It looks like we've kind of consistently been at that level. So I took it at 2,000. We could take it back to 1500 if you guys if you guys will if you want to do that. Done. Um diesel fuel I won't give you anything on. Yeah. Sorry. So, are we taking the 2,000 back? I mean, the gas prices have gone up. No, you're not taking 2,000. We're just We're just adjusting at 500 down to 1500. Cuz he's at 636 current spend. Yeah. He has historically gone No, 1500's right there.

I leave that diesel fuel right where it's at. Yeah. Because if you're doing more on street repairs this summer, we didn't have a whole lot of snow removal this winter. That's diesel for your dump trucks. Yeah. Plowing heavy equipment. I don't like to take any money away from expense on these because it's that's all my Yeah. That's all my heavy equipment. If anything goes wrong, I'll tap that pretty quick. Yeah. And then I put that 35,000 back in for the skidster. I think you guys Well, what about hold on the equipment expense? That's Did I miss one? Yep.

Yeah. I don't want to. That's what I Sorry. I thought you were talking about the gas. Yeah. No, I don't want to take anything over. I got you. Because if I need a repair on that, it's got you skid gear. We can talk 25, right? That we can drop that down because that's what we were splitting it by for the 25. Yep. So, we can get 10 off that one. I don't know anything about the rest of this stuff. Reimburseable expenses. What's reimburseable? That used to be they would code the ice slice down there because we got reimbured by the state.

But since we stopped getting reimbursed, I've stopped coding to that one. And this year, we haven't had to buy a bunch of ice. So, can we cut that one down to 25? Why is that? State quit doing it a couple years ago. But they want us to maintain their highway. Mhm. How is that right? Cuz that was a while ago. Yeah, that was I think during co Yeah, years ago. Why does that seem fishy to me? The state we could just we have to take care of that highway, but they Yeah. All right. Fair enough. Can we cut that one to 25 expense? Why?

And and and what we need to get We don't even need it, do we? I would say if you're going to put any money to it, I would adjust it up to I need to adjust it somewhere else. And I have no idea. Add it to repairs. We talked about again. So this ice slice on the state highway. Want to keep any purchase of any amount of that 50,000 in here, I would reallocate it to repairs and maintenance. We assume we're going to need to because we're going to have to buy ice slice. Yeah, that's why I said 25. How much ice slice are we going? How much dollars worth of I said we got a need and I'm not really well spooled on how much that cost and all that

10 grand when they order a load. Yeah. And I don't know a load get us through the win historically. Could we I think they've done sometimes at least two. Yeah. Two and a half. So if we dropped it to 25 that's two and a half. Okay. That still takes 25 off. But I would drop that to a zero and then yeah, you can move the 25 maintenance instead of 30,000 it would be we'll take the 25 to zero and putting it where to 400. So we're not restricted, but we're just moving because that's where I 25K there

anymore. If I get a bill in that's related to that, I that's where I code it anyway because we're not getting reimbured. No, you know, they used to keep track that money. They were tightening their belts and that was one way in the state statute. We used to get I think it's worded that they may Yeah, they may bring it back, but it's never coming back because we used to get like 54,000 65,400 and we can't not plow that road because

well and that's where we put our money to plow the road that's uh highway 65,400. We've bought those John Deere 4310s I think they are. We've bought those with an add of 400 and I have a negative 30k 300. Oh, there there it is. I did I did 30 and I was like I'm like I'm off something. I'm looking at this and I'm like I did quick math and then I did it on there and I'm like so we're on the parks. Last one guys. Last one.

All right. I appreciate you guys's patience with this stuff though. You're doing great. So, just by just by this one alone lots, right? Yeah. This this one alone next year gives us I mean Well, so we have to look at Yeah, we have to look at this because it's kind of split between half of these funds are enterprise and half are general fund, right? But that's where it was just I mean a simple at least Yeah. I mean, I think this will get us We're getting there. Yeah, I think we're I think this is going to get us there. Okay. Exactly. All right. Where are we at? Sorry. Uh parks. Parks 1063. Okay.

So, we'll take that. Safety equipment uniforms up,000 again. Do a th00and. And I got water, sewer, sanitation. I guess that's all our sprinklers and stuff over there, right? Yeah. Watering the parks. the parks. Take it up to 18 because we're actually at 16. I don't know if that'll be less this year if we slow. Should be less because we're going to not water as much. Yeah. Well, and I think you're going a hard look at the lines.

We can we drop it back to 11 or 12. Let's go to 15. 15. I think we can definitely get this close now. It's challenge. Yeah, it'll make it a challenge. Yeah. Uh, electricity I got at 1,000 just because we had budgeted 600, we're at 266. How much? probably take that down too, guys. Okay. They get down to 500 probably. Well, the year before we had a

650. So, we've got an electrical box over at Stone King Park. Um, and we ended up shutting the power off and locking it because we had some unauthorized users. Yeah. Good way to put it. Okay. So yeah, we plug in boxes down there. 650. Oh, I had five. I wrote down 500 items. Yeah, we won't see those 600 some more. Okay. Yeah, we had But weird question. 500. Can somebody rent Stone King Park and pay a deposit for the electric or No,

they don't even have to rent it. I mean, they can utilize Stone King Park and you know, if they mention it to us, we can go unlock it and turn the power on. Oh. Wow. Um, basically we're just paying the service fee right now, but we don't have any lights on those basketball courts or anything. Okay. Yes, there is. No, they they turn off lights in the in the park. Okay. I was going to say that there's actually anything on the courts. Okay, that's what I was going to say. But they turn off there. The park closes at desk. Yeah. Yeah. It was just more like I know that there's lights down playing at night.

500 repairs, maintenance, parts. I took up to 15,000 cuz I will be repairing stuff, shelters. Yes. Shelters, sprinkler lines. Um there's a lot of stuff that um take care of stuff. Stuff. Yeah. Roads. I mean there's some stuff in there that's not streets and alleys. It's parks that needs So I like to cut money, but I think the parks need their attention. Yeah. Necessity this year. Yeah. I think so. Uh small tools. So chemicals you've Where we

chemicals? I didn't need to zero zero that. So would that be like Yeah. Is your fertilizer there or what? Fertilizer. Your um Yeah, my weeds. Your weeds, the stuff for thistle or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, there something needs to be there, I think. Yeah. I just don't have anything the year before. We didn't have anything spent actual, so I didn't put anything in there. Well, we went a period of time where we couldn't buy and utilize until somebody certified. Yeah. And we Robert is certified now. I could probably go up to that 20 that 3,000 for We had zero. How about we go 1500?

1500. We had zero. But I am buying some stuff now. Um I just bought some stuff for the rocks and stuff to kill the weeds. It's a total kill for Yeah, it's premer uh Yeah, I think it's pre No, it kills it. I think it kills it after it's I was going to say pre-emergent's already too late. Yeah, it's not pre-emergent. Um, it's supposed to last for two years though. This stuff that I just got. Let's see if it's a sales scheme or not. Small tools. Small tools. Small tools. Let's It's going to be a lawn mower. I got that. Let's see. I got that at 500. I think I leave it at 500.

Ring blade. Those aren't more. Cover a scythe or two. Well, that covers shovels, rakes, I get quite a few of those. Yeah, saves the mug. But later, I'm going to talk to you about mowers. Practice your golf swings with I would say that would be more vehicle expense. I got it, TH000. We're actual at 863 now. Um,

what vehicle for parks? This is going to be that silver dodge. Um, which will need tires. Um, I just did a bunch of work on like the seat. The engine had issues. It's your oldest vehicle. That's the oldest vehicle I got. So, I would assume we're going to have to spare money there. This will be that parks vehicle. So, yeah. Um, gasoline budget 1,500. I probably take that down if you guys want to go down with that. You're budgeted at 1,000.

I'm budgeted at 1,000. I actually spent 211 in fuel on that, I guess. Yeah. But you get ready to start putting gas in all those mowers and all that stuff. Yeah. I would leave it. Yeah. Um, diesel fuel. I don't want to drop diesel fuel too much, but I don't do a lot of Say, what do you use? I guess I don't do a lot of diesel. Highway mowers are Oh, yeah. Your highway the tractors are diesel. Yeah. So, and isn't one of the park mowers, isn't it diesel, too? Oh, I think that one zero turn. You traditionally, your highest has been 500. I would say

you're at 500. That's what I would say is too is a,000. Let's do a,000. I'm willing to just because of historically where you're at. Um I took this up to 10,000. I u got a lot of repair that I need to do on all those tractors need they're going to need eventually I'm going to try to make it through this year with what's on them for tires and stuff like that. But they're going to need tires. Uh the little riding lawnmowers, they need some tires. Um, and then just general mechanical repairs. We've had to do quite a bit of that on stuff. They need a little TLC.

They need a lot of TLC. So, I'm I'm getting them we're getting them there, but that's why I added to that cost. And I think we've been behind in some of that maintenance. Yeah. I just Yeah. Shorthanded and stuff like that. These guys have had a hard time. Um, weed eaters. I'd like to replace some of the weed eaters I have. So, I took I put $2,000 in there. How many weed eaters is that? I should be able to get Well, I probably get three or four weed eaters for that price. But those are the big ones that are the hands.

Yeah, I got chainsaws. I got plenty of chainsaws. They just needed to do some TLC like you like I said. So we went through those huge good shape. But I mean everyone on his crew bigger than me. So the big ones were broad. Exactly. I'm going to bet you're probably at least 6 700 bucks for commercial. Yeah. Seven to eight. But you only got basically two to three men usually ever run. Three be the most you would ever need. Probably two would suffice you. Plus, I still got some older ones down there. We can keep going. But, um, but I want to look to upgrade them. So, that's why I put that in there. And that's all I got. Yes, sir.

So, if you've only got two guys that are running them then and they're you're saying they're running around 500 a piece. Wouldn't we only need a thousand if we're buying two more? Was thinking eight. Yeah. So, if we six, that'd be 16. So, and then if you add the straps to hold on and all that stuff, we're probably there. Yeah. I could have dotted my eyes and cross my tees a little more with that one. That one's just minus 2,000. Lesson learned. Yeah. Yep. So, only save 2K on that one.

So, that's it, right? That's all I got. So, I'm kind of with a lot. I think we've done a heck of a job here today. And I think we've got enough it looks like in our stuff. I mean, I don't know how you guys are looking at the capital expenses is my only thing with the general looking at that as part of the actual budget. We're looking at as a separate expense from the budget because if we're looking at as a separate expense, we definitely have easily enough money to implement the pay scale adjustment which my guys would like.

I think we all I mean we're behind we reached out to the vendor. I mean that's we did all that before the police department one. We just got done increasing the police department 8 point something percent. Um, so that's I would lean towards the 6% adjustment myself. Do we want to do these other plan? We could jump into those before night's tomorrow. Okay. At 3. So right now as of today we cut after

114,350 is what we cut today. We'll have to look. So the because the split between the enterprise funds but I think between them too long because we were already we already had 38,000 start with before we started cut for enterprise. So that was it there. And if you take the capital expenses out, we already had 150,000 in the general fund. So a couple things. I think definitely the money we saved tonight. We're well within our means. Oh, did you Is that some of the stuff that Shane Yeah. Some of the sewer and

so spit it to us, Dad. Give it to us rough. It's going to be rough. Go ahead. He's just talking about all the money. I know. Come on. Keep talking. Watch how fast I take it away. What are you talking now?

So, there's some there's some critical infrastructure stuff that we need to take care of. Um, one is third and copper and Shane quoted me. He said, "You you go in with a 25,000 number, you're pretty safe with that. But we need to replace the manhole with third and copper. It's um been eaten out by H2S and that kind of stuff. That manhole is ready to collapse. It's not far off. You wouldn't know it by just directly looking at it, but it's in pretty bad shape. Um and then we got uh that storm sewer or yeah, storm sewer drain storm drainage up on Lyup, which we've talked about in staff meeting, but I haven't visited with you guys about. Um same thing did get a bid on that uh from Crown and that was 46,940.

Do you remember what that other bid was for it? Cuz we got because we had gotten an original bid for that storm drain and then we had asked him to get another bid because we had only originally gotten one. I think he's only gotten the one. I don't think Is it Isco? I think he's waiting. He's waiting for them. That's the only number I have. He hasn't gotten a number in and I Isn't that the one where there's a lot of utilities in there?

There is. And so here's Well, I I can break this one down to you. And he he told me a little bit about it. Um they got $3,700 in mobilization fees. Um $19,200 cleaning out clearing out the ditch. Uh the hydrovacing it was $10,240. Um if we don't do anything with that ditch, if you guys looked at it there off Blackmore, you'd understand there's tons of gas lines and utility lines down through there. They will have to hydrovac that to get through there. Um, if we don't do anything with that ditch, they just repaired replaced the covert and fixed that area. Uh, 13,800, but we might be able to get by without doing anything with the ditch, but I'm I wouldn't guarantee it. I

mean, we at least have to do the cover because it is that cover's falling apart. Yeah, it's falling apart. The water's pulled out from underneath or pulled out a whole bunch of stuff from underneath it. That whole thing's gonna just gonna fall in pretty soon. So, but that's that's one huge infrastructure issue that we have. Two, I mean that and that third and copper is kind of an emergency thing. We really need to get that. And you said how much on that? 2500. 25,000. 25,000. That's a complete manhole. Replace that. So, replace everything. Yeah. a hat.

And that's small beans compared to all the rest stuff I got in this stack right here that I probably won't want to talk to you guys about. Did you guys do you know if Robert got an estimate on that piping over here? Um that goes actually under the tracks. Uh because it is I have sewer. Yeah, it was that sewer for that specific spot because that's where we were backing up pretty severely. Um, and then came down because they're looking at the pipe and the pipe is starting to break down. Evans Street. Well, that's that's that's roads. I'm sorry. Sanitary sewer. Yeah, cuz it was

Evans Railroad track sewer. 250,476 to replace that pocket change. It's going to be apparent. It's got to be It's got to be a certain reco. It's actually has to be more heavy duty than the other piping in town because the train goes over the top of it. Yeah, the guys were explaining to me when we were going through it. Yeah, there's I got a lot of quotes here. There's some big infrastructure stuff. So,

I don't know how comfortable I am moving on the big things till we kind of got these numbers ironed out and know where we're at and what we've got to play with myself. Yeah, I don't want to throw these in. It just gets so overwhelming where we're at right now that I hate to make a commitment to somewhere and not be in the financial position we think are budget. Yeah. And then I'd like to look at some of these and see what we can address. Yeah, we didn't actually I mean go through and really cut anything in fire last night. It was more they were just presenting numbers and then we talked about going back to and going back and and then doing it.

Yeah, we got some decisions to make on fire department. Shane just got these numbers what today? Some decisions. I think well he yeah he sent me an email with these numbers and yeah we were CCD on it was yesterday yesterday and then I had some old stuff that he had sent me when I first started but um yeah so there's some huge stuff around that needs to be taken care of but one thing I am going to you guys and

will you uh kind of help us with a priority? That's that's what I want to do. So that way then when we do come back and we look at this, we know really where our major most priority items are so kind of put this out and hit the biggest problems first. That's Yeah, that's exactly what my goal My goal is to

once we get kind of squared away a little bit. There's these two things I just told you about. we need to take care of pretty quick, but I want to get a kind of get an idea of our infrastructure, how old it is, and start working on it yearly for the next however many years I'm here stuff done. So, yeah, we look into that for a long years that they got infrastructure. Infrastructure. Yes. Yeah, if we don't, someone else will. And something else I'm going to I got I'm not sure how to do that.

In June, I'm going to try to go to look into it and give you advice, a grant class, kind of get an understanding of things like that. Can you say the limit in June? He's going to go to a grant class. Yeah. the state's putting on grant a class on understanding grants the rules regulations on grants some writing of grants how to get I just want an understanding of it so with the big stuff that we have that needs to be repaired I think we got to get somebody understanding of that or rough understanding of that I don't know

so that's my goal is to get a rough understanding of it so I know what rules and regulations at least I got to figure out. But a number of things we looking at for sure. So I'll read it over. I'll give you a summary. Hopefully I can make something of that do something with maybe I can take it further. Maybe I can learn how to be a grant writer. I don't know if that's going to happen. And then guys, don't forget in the back of our mind too, we still have another tank that needs to be done recoted. Another tank. Water tank. Another water tank that still needs to be redone.

We did the worst, but we've got water treatment some repairs. Yeah. So, I think overall my water confidence Unbelievable. Yeah, Chad's ready to go. We're hanging in there. I don't blame you, Chad. Are we done? We're doing all right. Think so. So, we're going to finish off this for tonight. We're done. We just have a couple others on her and police. with police and then a couple