Council - Regular Meeting

All your tabs on the bottom will tell you which budget. So, we're going to start with court and they should be like in order. I put them in order of how we're going. So, but you do have the tabs that you can specifically Okay. As far as the court is concerned, everything goes is the same until you get down to the credit card bank charges. We've been advised that that's going to go up. So, we're asking for increase from 37 to 44. Is that right? We're actually we're at 4277 right now that we've I figure we'll have bank fees by the time this fiscal year is up. Okay. So that office supplies are good. Printing is the same. The prof professional services will be the same. Um the guy that I've uh reached out to to replace me has indicated that he is agreeable to that. He's a guy, a young man that he worked with the district attorney's office for a number of years, now works with Chapman Valdez, who used to represent Evansville, didn't they?

Years ago, not long they did. Yeah. And so, and they're they're an outstanding firm. So, um he'll be good and just need you to tell me what he needs to do as far as come in and sign off or anything. Janelle. Um Scott talked to Ernie today. If Ernie is good with it, I was going to place it on the agenda Monday night um for Ernie to make the nomination for the council to confirm. Okay, good. Um but I don't know what your guys's conversation was beyond that really. Well, nothing standing in the way of proceeding that way. So, okay, that's the way we'll do it.

He came highly recommended by um our town attorneys. Um he's got what was it 10 years in the DA's office and then another five years in five or six years he's been out at the DA's office with with Chapman Valdez. So um Scott and Aaliyah thought that he would be a good fit. So that's that's a nice way to do that. According to Scott, he says the guy's very even keled and so his dad is Tim Shank at GSG architecture. Long time Casper. Okay.

I knew that name sounded familiar. I Yeah, I knew Tim Shank. Okay. Where are we at now? I met him years ago and he was a real nice guy. Yeah.

So, yeah, there no negatives that I know of. So, I see no reason to shake the apple cart is very good. Okay. Courtappointed attorneys the same, equipment expense is the same. Next, the big dog is that jail fees. Um, we've been advised that as of January, we had a budget of 55,000. As of through January, we were already at 425. And then we I just got a deal from the chief indicating they were raising our rates to $154 a day

for every day that we put them in jail. We charge them back that, huh? Is that part of like the court cost that we charge them back? Have we charged the the individuals back? No. Collection already is our biggest issue. You know, you saw him today. The young man that's on social security disability. He's want he's already paying Casper $50 a month. That's a seems to be a very common occurrence. I just got a new job or I'm on this or that. It's just it's it's a lot of and it's constant.

Yeah. Always. Well, and we've got we've got maybe a half a dozen out there that don't care whatsoever. They've gone out and I try I plead with them to say you can pay this on on a monthly schedule here. You know, one of them owes 4,000. So, I said, you know, with that, we need to have you start paying at least 200 a month. You know, hadn't paid a dime. The only time they made a $100 payment was his employer did. That was from from Marshall. Marlon Marshall and And so he's he's got like 18 warrants out for him. That's $200 a pop. There's $3,600 right there.

We got Bobby Davis out there. He's got 22 warrants. He's DJ. He's vowed he will not pay a dime in. And so there's other one. What's it? Vincent um a cola, you know. So, if we send them to jail, if we send them to jail, um, we're on YouTube, too. We're what? We're live. Okay. All right. Um, if if we public record, go ahead, ma'am.

If we send them to jail, um, and then that fee occur. Like, if if because there's a warrant, if they end up having to go to jail, that still doesn't take anything off of that. that just brings them before you to say, "Hey, what's up?" Right. And adds $200 to their fine. Okay. You know, but so basically we're caught between a rock and a hard spot. Yes. Exactly right. I mean, you do have your people who refuse to pay. And yeah, like Dave said, the one guy has absolutely made a statement, I will never pay this court a dime. And I don't think he's paid any other court a dime either. You could levy lean on there.

Yeah. Of one sort or another personal property or real estate or I don't know how much they have, but I don't think the court can but I'm not sure. That's something we can discuss with Scott today. He can move into that one. You know, some of them don't have much property. Well, Saturday morning I'll I'll run a cleanup crew from the corner out to they can pick up trash. you know, and I allow them services as well. Right. Right. You know, we explain to them you can do it, you know,

as long as it's a a public corporation, you know, a nonprofit, somebody certifies your hours, I'll knock it off at $15 an hour. And we've had some good success with that with some, which is amazing that it's $15 an hour. You know, that's when you said I said I was amazed when you said it was $15 an hour. I guess I would assume to have been like minimal wage of some sort, but it's just like, oh, wow. I bet with some of those people that are doing well that they're not doing any money or not working at all because everybody's I feel like 95% of the people that come through are payment plan, payment plan, payment plan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. I'm like $15 an hour and you're not working. That's money. Yeah.

Well, it is. And some are legitimate health reasons. We've got them with heart issues and what I can't work on social security as it is. But so that's why we've proposed that we raise it up to 75,000. Just we'll just take it from there. Sounds good. Okay. The next one is the office equipment jumps from a,000 to 3,000 and that's due to your new computer.

Yes. I my computer needs to be replaced. Um our IT guy said, "When are you going to replace this?" And I said, "Well, you telling me I need to do it?" Uhhuh. Yes. That computer is old and it's getting slow. Very slow. So that's the reason for that increase. And the only other increase there is the maintenance service agreements. And we jump up from What did we jump? That went down actually. Huh? It went down. It went down. Yeah. This is where you were and this is where you're at now. Oh, good. Well, that's good.

See, they just bought your computer, right? What they're saying to put the 3000 in is because electronics, they said, are jumping so fast. Yeah. And it had already gone up from the first quote. that they had given us. So we just put in 3,000 pictures, please. Welcome to the age of AI. Welcome to the age of AI. Everything.

Don't blink. Yeah, I know. Yeah, gentleman that I talked to said anything tech is going up 10%. The pepperoni and the cameras are going at 15 to 25%. Got everything on it. Holy cow. Yeah, this is the pepperoni here. Thank you. So, that's it. Any questions? Looks good. Questions, comments, concerns? Um, I thank you for your service. I am sad to see you leave. However, I can understand and I don't blame you. Then thank you so much for all that you've done for our town.

I appreciate that. Go enjoy those babies. So maybe you can get some golf in. You know, you could stay on and just play those grandb babies. I'm sure we could set them up for video court, too. You know, this guy will do you good. I'm Hey, we're trying. I think he thinks those grand babies are more important than we are, and I don't get it. All right. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Sorry we took up too much of your time.

Next year, let's make it shorter. You know, I'm only kidding. Wait. Oh, thank you. Thank you guys. Have a good evening. Good luck.

Thank you very Bye. Do you need help out? No, I'll call Justin. Okay, perfect. Okay, but thank you very much. Are you sure? Sure. I say I can pop you off your arms on this fines thing. Oh, I'm not the one to ask. I'm just I'm just throwing this out as as kind of a a general thing. I'm assuming Casper is running into the same thing.

That would be my assumption. And why did has Casper increased our cost? Not Casper's Toronto County. Okay. Why have they increased that so much? There's usually an annual increase. The county does an audit every year and then I think the increase is based on that audit. Okay.

To cover their costs for the facility and everything. So we're sending people to them. So yeah. Okay. So fire I told them six o'clock. So we can jump to mine if you want. Okay. Um finance. Um not much of a change. Um the only thing is the built-in step increase for wages and retirement did increase slightly. Um and

finance emergency finance and emergency management. I've got the same tab. Uhoh. Did I put it on the same one? No, I'm not sure. Finance should be before emergency management. Okay. 10:45. Yep. It just was stuck to the different one. Here. I would say you can put those. I caught myself putting them together and putting them on the same page. I'm like, nope. Um, okay. Got it. That's why I was like, I don't think so. So, slight increase, but Okay. But nothing major there. Any questions?

Outside of wages, my b biggest expense is professional services and that's for the audit. Okay. Okay. We split that between multiple budgets. So, okay. We're That was my question here. That's the portion that hits mine. And then maintenance service agreements. That's Cassell or something. Yes, sir. So, under the total, you're like way below on the actual those aren't. So, is there going to be that much difference by by the end of June? Yeah. So, that

Yeah, cuz when I did these, that was the beginning of March. So that's two months behind beginning of March. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Mine is my budget is wages and the audit basically. So pretty much it. Um, any statistics? And then emergency management. Another one. Not much that can

basically just have the wages for the person that's uh nominated to be our emergency management person. And then who is that? Still Leo. I say it's still Leo. Um, and then the associated costs for benefits and stuff. And we did check it. He still wanted okay with doing the emergency management. Okay.

Um, and then the next one, planning and zoning. That's for WLC. So grant writing, engineering, GIS, um everything like that will fall under this budget. So that's basically just their fees. And then my last one is legal and that's the attorney's fees. So, we're budgeting up 25,000.

Mhm. We're going to be over this year considerably, but we had a lot of stuff in this fiscal year that required attorneys. So, I think it will come down next year. left. But every time you email them, talk to them, there's a bill, there's a charge. So, okay.

Cuz yeah, as of today, we were at 182,000 for this year. So, we're going to go well well above,000. So I can't call him every other day. Huh? I wouldn't call just to chat. You mean that 10 minutes I had with Scott cost? Mhm. Mhm. What? 500 bucks? No. They will fill us quarterly. But if you call and have a five minute conversation, it's 15. You know, there's a minimum. Yeah. So if you're going to call, get your money's worth. Have your list. Well, so

I don't particularly like talking to attorneys anyway. Can't blame you. So So if I call them, I'm going to get my money's worth one way or another. Absolutely. So yeah. Um any questions? We're worried about budget. Yeah. Enough said. So even if we CC them on on all that stuff, no more CC the lawyers. Yes. Unless it's something they need to be a part of and aware of.

Yeah. I think it's good to keep them in the loop. But if it's something that doesn't need to go to them yet, then then no. Cuz yes, we do get build for Yeah. I saw them walking in. So, oh, they're here. Just getting ready to go to yours, Janelli. Um, did both of them walk in? Yep. We can do yours quick if you want. Yeah, we can. I hope that general government. I say if not, we can save general government. Um, after if you want to peek at mayor and counsel. Um,

that's for you guys. There's really no changes there. Um I did throw $1,000 in for new tablets. Um if if you guys are I Alana I know has been having some struggles with her tablet. Um so I don't know. I mean we've had them for a while. It's it's probably time. So um I did throw $1,000 in for tablets. I mean, are these the same tablets from six years ago when they originally bought tablets? I think they are, aren't they? Should be. Yeah. So, it's six seven years old.

Yeah. Yeah. They because it would have been n 19. Yeah. So, seven. Yeah. Cuz it was when my husband was originally. I think you guys originally started with I mean, so they they've done well. They've done well. Yeah. They've done well. Really, it's only like when I want to open up and like go through documents and then it goes, "Nope, goodbye. Nope, goodbye." I have to save every single document to that thing and then go into Yeah. do it. So, Janelle, yeah, our expenses for Wham, is that under travel expenses? Um, what is that under here? Um, yeah, your travel, your registrations,

lodging and meals. Um, registration. And I I stuck with the 1800 because we had kind of came to the conclusion last year that we needed to pick one that the town couldn't afford per se to send all five people to both both WAM conventions um to try and either split it up or send one once a year. And I know that there's been some years in the past where there was more benefit out of the winter workshop than there was out of the summer.

The summer. So, do we because summer's coming up pretty soon. We're going to have to get signed up for that. Do we have anything budgeted or left in budget for? Well, I didn't go. So, you're welcome to use mine because I think I was the only one that winter and I know we talked last year when we discussed it that we would just one person or you have you get one you get to go one time. You can go to winter or you can go to summer. You get to pick and it's just well I've wasn't able to go winter and because when is the summer one time, you know, it's in June and I would have to look. It seems to me something has came out in

about it. I haven't looked real hard at it. Um, yeah, I' I've seen emails about it. I don't even know where it's at, Lar. Yeah, unfortunately. Okay, that would be the last place I want to go, but I think somebody needs to go. Well, and I guess it depends on if you guys want to hold to that, you know, somebody goes once a year. Um,

well, I'd say between the three, there's there's money left over in there. uh between the registration and travel and meals and lodging, there's there's money left over there. Um I did bump um the lodging and meals down by $500 um based on previous year's expenses. Um because I know last year it's June 3rd through the 5th. Okay.

What's that? What the summer workshop? June what? 3rd through the 5th. Third, fourth and fifth. Okay. Um I think we should have somebody go to that. What does the agenda look like, Dea? Can you Have they posted it yet? We're sculping. I think the first day. Yeah, they do a golf golf biotech tour. Oh crap. That's why we said the winter one is so much. I welcome reception. I was going to say the other summer the two summer ones that I've looked at, they were very fluffy. The one I looked at last run for the time before I man.

There's a 5k start your training. There's a breakout session code of conduct. Yeah. Yeah. Come on in. killing time. Open fill in time until open court didn't take me. I was going to and then I was like well we can do more reason is in these meetings that I'm going to always talk about what happened in legislation surrounding you guys

and changes that have been made since then which is the assignments things are still changing from the end of the legislature and and I know a lot of that is affecting us. So there there is money and pepperoni. There is money left over in the budget. Um you know for this year I don't know what you guys want to do for the next year if you want. Are you hungry? Well I agree the winner is you get more out of it I think. And this next one is going to be

on the election year. So, they're probably going to have that boot camp thing again. There is there is a thing that came up about Yeah. boot camp. Okay. And that's why they didn't have the boot camp this year because it off year. Let me retract that. I don't know if it's boot camp now or if it's that that one that has to be done by the Department of Treasury for the financial fiscal responsibility. I can't remember that. I I'm I'm kind of do being all inclusive on that. Okay. Okay. Um but the that covers the requirement of the new electes. Yeah. So okay. They said they saw you guys across a little more outside of here.

Waiting for you to come in. If there's enough there at least one should I do it. Well like Alana said she didn't go this year. Um, yeah. And I'm not going to be and I'm not going to the summer ones. We have We have fair stuff that has to be done. If I have to go, I'll I'll do it. There's a whole another one here. You have to do the 5K. Then that is non-negotiable. Greg, you go. You have to participate in all

and then that's followed by 18 holes of golf. But you get a whole hour in recovery casket recovery. I mean, if there's if there's something worth value on the agenda, I could see sending someone. But if it's really a lot like last summer where there's a lot of fluff and really there was like maybe one or two things the last two summers. Yeah. Because the summer before I was going to go and I'm like, do you know there's something? Yeah. Yeah. And so it's one of those closer agenda. Why go just to go? you're not going to get anything. Why go just to go? If you're not going to get anything, if it's just going to be another fluff one, then why go and spend money? Cuz to me, that's not

I didn't shot it at like bam. No, and I agree with that. Are you making you kept yourself in my mind what I'm getting and now there's a lot out there. You can make a dropping a lot of question marks. my family with

taxes and specifically that she's all the other things in No, no. Right. And if there's going to be something that they're going to be covering down there of any importance that

then I think we should have somebody there. I like that's exactly I said of just like if there's something of importance that would be beneficial then yes go. But if there is not like I say I'm hearing enough questions out there that if wham does not address some of those at this summer meeting then they're really dropping the ball. I guess we need to get a little more input on really what they're doing. So, one of the things that I'll need to do is get motel reservations going. How many are we talking at this point? I think I'm thinking just one. Okay.

If we have one rep there that can kind of get caught up on all those questions hanging around. Okay. That's tattoo days for rabbits. Can't go. Okay. Fire. Are we all good with mayor and council where it's at? I reckon. You reckon? Okay. I like it. Moving on to fire. Where were we at? Where you guys at? You guys all sitting down, right? Um, back just past court. Right after court. Ernie,

right after court. All right. Is one of them a dessert pizza? No. No. I didn't even think about dessert. Yeah, they do have like more than one page. Yeah, there's a cute one. Yeah, there's more than one page here. Oh, there's a lot of pages. Ernie, I am I am not public works. Wait till that 14 page thing comes in here. My three pages is fine. Well, you got two pages and then you have three pages. So, five pages. He only has six. Did you put it in upside down?

All right. Didn't he just turn it to the side? I don't know which one you guys want to look at. I know you've always started that as well. Where do you want to start? Um, well, this sheet says the same thing as this sheet. It's just broken down a little bit more. It's just easier for I don't know. It's the way my brain works as well. But so you just want to go line by line down the way or talk about Yeah. Which one are you going to be on? Because I didn't flip to what you're on. So are you um I'm on this one.

Okay. because this one's going to show last year as well, kind of where we were and where we are. So, Lexi gave me all of her numbers. So, that would be the first uh down to 180, the uh retirements. Um through those items, um we reduced our budget because uh although there was some raises and some ups in the the retirement and that stuff, we reduced it because I'm cheaper than Chief and Matt's cheaper than I am and Jason is cheaper than than Dan. So we have we have reduced that. We saved

I think it was between 10 and 13,000 there. Less less expensive. Less less expensive. You are not cheap. We don't do cheap. Okay. Affordable. Okay. All right. Cost effective. There you go. So if you go if you go back the c last couple years uh for our dues and subscriptions um we haven't hit that 2,000 mark. So I reduced that down to 2,000. Um the next one is kind of a why is that such a huge drop? We went from 30,000 to 5,500

in our registrations. And the reason being is because um Lexi was pulling out our um Wait a minute. Um the go where I'm told. Last year we put the um interns interns into registration, but it's been coming out of where we put it down to Yeah. out of training. So, our training budget, this if you look at it, we're like 12,000 or 15,000 or 10,000 over

budget. It's because we took the interns pay for last semester out of training. You just moved it. So, I moved it down to training and out of uh registration. So, it still balances out. So, yeah, those those will balance out. It's um line item.

Yep. just a different one. Uh we left travel expenses the same and if you want me to um go slower, you can let me know. Um the mills and lodging um you look that were actual way over. Uh that was in in part because of the wildland fires we went on last year. They stayed in hotels the whole time. So we were reimbursed that by the fire. So, um, it shows that we're, um, what is that? 14,000 over, but the fire reimbured that 14 and it was probably more than that. We're probably still have some of that 5,000 left.

Oh, no. Thank you. Sorry. So, the training went up that extra $24,000 for the interns. that cost. Um, office supplies, uh, I'm looking at that and, um, we haven't used very much of office supplies going through there, but you never know when we have to replace a printer or or a computer or something like that, so I left it at the 2500. They last forever. Uh, uhhuh. Yeah. Just ask Alana. No, just ask um, grandma clerk. Miss Vicki,

uh, left the printing at the same. Matt and I did get new business cards this last year, so that's probably going to go up a little bit. That's not in the budget. Well, it is right there. Come out of this year. We had We had that come out of left. Joking. Said it'll come out of this year, right? That's what I was saying is that it'll be higher than the 45 that's there. $45. Okay, I'll stop talking.

I have control issues. I left the safety equipment and uniforms at the 175. We are way over on that one at 29,000 uh because of all of our changeovers, all of our people changing. We've had to get new badges and new helmets and new name plates and new. So that's why that one's so much over. Uh, I did raise the telephone up because if I prorrated where we are and what we had, we were going to be over the 5,000 for this year. So, I bumped that up a little bit. Um, let's see. The the water, the sanitation I left the same. The electricity I did bump up as well for the same reason. Um, and then the gas, looking at it, we had a fairly warm year,

so I'm going to leave that at the 5,000. Yeah. All the other ones are 7,000, 10,000, 6,000.

Yeah. Yeah. So, we could actually bump that up a little bit if if if we decide we need should do that. Um, postage, I just left that one at 500. Um, first aid, medical supplies. Uh last year we had the extra $550 on there for a couple of purchases that we wanted to make. Um but we're going to leave that at the the 25,000 for the for the first aid supplies. Um but yet you're way under for this year at this point. Right. Right. So that one has

gonna stay like that or you got plans for a bunch. Have we been buy I don't know how Matt's ordering but end of the year is coming out will be closer to the 25. Yeah I was going to say we're this was in February wasn't it when you gave this to us? So it was beginning of March. So we're um eight months from

I got to keep that in mind. Yeah. Yep. Um repairs and maintenance I did bump up a little bit because uh because we've already spent more than the 4,000. Um so I bumped that up a little bit and as our buildings get older and need more repairs um wanted to have a little bit extra there. Uh small tools is the same. The custodial supplies are the same. Um, professional services. I'm not sure why we're

Is that your trainings? Professional services. Yeah. Oh, you want me to talk here? Please do. Um, the EMS software that I just had purchased. Oh, right, right, right, right. I kn I knew there was a um the setup had to because that was a one time fee. Right. Right. Yep. Okay. So, that's why that's why we're we're over on that one. Um you anticipate it needing to be more than the 135. Yeah. Okay. No, because we had the setup fee and then the annual fee, but the setup fee which was uh pretty

I understand why it cost so much because of the time that I had to put into it with them to build it out. So, it was almost 3,000 I think for the setup. Okay. Uh vehicle expense I lowered uh just because in in the previous years looking back other than 2122 we've been um pretty consistently down below. We have newer vehicles so we're not putting a lot more into other than the rescue this year. Rescue comes out of equipment expense.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So your vehicles, you're basically just looking at your trucks, the commands. Okay. Yeah. And they're maintenance on those and stuff like that. So yeah, with those being newer vehicles, you know, you have warranty on yours and Yeah. Yep. Okay. So we could actually drop that a little bit more if we so desired. Uh gasoline I picked up a little bit. Maybe I should have picked it up more. Who knows where the prices will go or Yeah, we may be being paying $10 a gallon. We might be paying two. Going back to horse and buggy. Yeah. Yeah. Diesel I left the same.

Um again, that one is prorating out there. We're probably getting close to that that 10,000. Um vehicle or equipment expense, I left the same Uh, it also left the the Medicaid Medicare Medicare the contractual adjustments for Yep. ambulance bus. That's just frustrating every year. But you don't see that one going up.

Um, the only way that one will go up is if we're raise our rates. If we start raising rates, then that will that will our revenue will go up, but that'll go up, too, because they have a fee schedule. So, and that's all they're gonna pay. Yeah. No, I get it. Doesn't matter what we charge, that's what they're going to pay. And you write this off. Have you have you noticed any difference in the idea that they're supposed to be paying more or is that just a I haven't been able to bill Okay. since December. So, I have finally just gotten everything where I can start get pushing it out as of sounds like they're supposed to be paying more than that. July 1.

July, I say I know it's coming, but I don't know. July 1. Okay. And then um PSC, which is our payment that we make to uh the dispatch center here in town, we get charged for a call as as they dispatch. So that's where that rate comes from. You can see the it's kind of a double-edged sword. The busier we are, the more it costs us, but the more we make at the same time. So it's like Where's that? Which one is that? That's the um line 1057600. Okay.

And then on to the page two. Um I raised up or did you raise that up? Insurance. I think I prorated that as well. I say no sir. And that one's uh is that under which one are is that under 870? Oh, okay. Property insurance. Um

I think what I did with that is I prorrated it as well and saw that if we're paying 63 and we only pay yearly on that one. I think. And I haven't seen the bill yet because that one Yeah, because the one up above it No, maybe it's down below. No, you just have property insurance. That might be a little high. Okay. Um, yeah, that I wasn't sure about. And I was I was like I said, I prorrated that. Well, we're over now. So, by down to like 75. Do you think we could try that? Yeah, we'll bump it down to 75 because it's a one time payment for the year

and do until July. So, I haven't seen the bill yet. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Good. We've already lost some money.

And then software support I left there at uh at 10,000 as well. So overall, if you look at overall that budget, we reduced um just under $9,000 from last year's, but that's just that's just that's the Well, I guess that comes out of the budget. Is there any questions or comments on any of that concerns? Okay. So, on to this page this other papers um I did put in on this one on the wages. It is not included in the in the budget portion on this sheet, but I am asking for a raise for our part-time and paper calls. Um, right now the paper call is at $38 a call and uh it's been that way for three or four years now. I don't think it's changed for about three or four years. I did print out a sheet if you guys want to pass it around and look at it. Um, of what we were at versus

You said 38. Yes. Other uh other agencies in the area are uh are paying 50 a call currently. So that's what I'm that's what I'm requesting us go to is 50 a call. So can you can you give me a little bit more context? What do you mean 50 what a 50 call? So our our parttime Is this in here?

Part-time employees when they come in, our volunteer guys that are part-time and it includes the interns. When they're at the station, they're just there for free. But when we when we go on a call, we pay them 50 or it's 38 right now, $38 for every call that they respond to. Along with that on that sheet is a a request for a raise in the um firefighters pay scale, the relief driver's pay scale, and the uh I think it's the lieutenant the training lieutenant on there as well. Um and what I was asking for is it would be a on the on the pay sheet, it would be a two twostep bump.

Okay. Like I said, they haven't been raised up for about three years either. You're looking at two and a half%. Uh we would be looking at 5%. 5%. Yeah. Uh putting the math to it, that would raise our wages uh by an estimated about 20 $21,000 a year. You said on here 25. Did I say 25 on there? even have it highlighted. Okay, then I maybe I redid my math. It was very close when I redid my math cuz when we were figuring it right there on this page, it was

it was 216. Is this step plan pretty in line with the neighboring municipalities? So that was the step plan that uh um Chad Edwards when he was mayor, he did the the uh the research and found that yes, that was for an area in our for towns in our demographic. That was that was roughly where we were as far as pay goes. So you said going up two steps. Yeah.

So it would be it would be a 5%. And currently they're at they're at entry level. So it would bump them to step two. Can we get a copy of that stuff, too? Mhm.

Was it done with that? Oh, sorry. Just kidding. I was going to go make copies. I'm just kidding. You're like, you don't get to stay this. No, I look at that a lot. I'll be back. That I don't want to see. That one I the the other ones I look at a lot. Any questions about any of that?

If I'm running through this fast, let me know. You're doing just

And so what was the what was the total on that? 21,000 for the year. You said 21,000. I put on the on the sheet 25,000. And that of course is a rough estimate because we don't know how many calls, right? Um what that would bump would be uh the the pay-per call volunteers would be $50 a call. So however many

that's based on 50 calls a month. Um depending upon which is low I think that's why we bump that up because that's that 21 was based on 50 calls a month. Um the interns would get a monthly stipen and currently they're at 950 a month and that is an estimated an estimated amount of calls for the last three years of per month. Um so that would bump that up to 1250 a month for them. So, a lot of this other page is the same as this. It's just it's just broken out in a different format explaining some of like the the 320 is where we get the 175. We have different um the different prices of the the general fund and then the uniforms and badges and uh the annual air pack flow test we have to do every year and then the extrication tool maintenance we'll have to do every year. So, the fun sheet is the next one.

Skip over that one.

Skip right over that one. So, this is the one cent purchases. Um, it's the a one time. There are several things in here that are um we say they're one time things, but we ask for them every year because we need to keep up on those those purchases. So, the replacement structure helmets, uh the replacement bunkers, the new bunker boots, uh the PM of radios are all things that we don't necessarily have to do every year, but we do like we we're bringing on two new ones this year, so we need to get them bunkers that are measured to them. So, that's that's where those come from. Um, so we put 5,000 in for the structure helmets, 30,000 in for for replacement bunkers. Those are I believe they're between 25 and $3,000 a set. I think that was for This is the same numbers that uh Leo had on his. So um I believe it's for six sets. So that'd be um 5,000 a set. So,

pants 5,000. I think the pants are Yeah. Yeah. Uh the the PM for the radios. That's something that we haven't done every year, but it's something we should do every year, and I don't think we've done it for a couple years, but it's something uh that we need to do again to get them back to the service where they need to be. they will kind of it's like a radio, you know, the old did the old uh analog radios where you constantly have to readjust the the dial.

The radios do the same thing. So, they need to just be brought back into spec. So, that's something that uh that we need to look at doing this year.

And then the rest of these are are uh kind of a pretty big ask for us. So, um, I've asked the guys what what we'd like to see around the station and a lot of these have came from that. So, um, general maintenance on the building, uh, we'd like to see that get the inside of the bays painted. And that's a quote that's there. I do have a quote for that from a painter. Uh, he would come in and clean it, uh, patch any holes, fix any of the divots and dents and everything. um prime it, get a good priming coat on it, and then paint everything. And then including the doors and the the garage doors even, which aren't painted currently. They're just the back of a garage door, but uh he'll paint the trim and everything for for that 221 190. Uh we have had a couple of instances where um we've ran out of power. Uh the way our generator system is set up right now is it's the generator out here. It runs town hall and uh the fire station, if I'm correct, it only runs certain things over here.

So it runs only partial things here. We have emergency lighting, the garage doors, and about 10 plugs that runs over at the fire station. Um the last time it went out, uh the generator didn't kick on because of the the switch. Um, and we were opening garage doors by hand, which you can do, but it's time. They're heavy. I was using a big pole to try to get it up in the air. So, um, I did get a quote on getting a generator installed at the station and that's what that 42 Is that like a Generrack?

Yeah, it's a Generrack generator and, uh, it would be set up for our department. And then and one of the reasons that's so big is right now the station is at a it has an 800 watt or 800 amp service which is ginormous for what we have. Um and we figured out why. It's because when dispatch was downstairs we had all the radio system over there and so we needed all that power to run all the radios and stuff. We don't have that anymore. So part of that expense is actually changing our meter box and and dropping it back down to a 400 amp service

in the event that we were to get any RA uh not raise but any like we redid this remember the plan I'll rebuild the building would it still be would it still be the same size for the generator that he's wanting for his apartment? Probably not. But that one that you're looking at will raise your will um run your whole house. Yep. It'll run everything over there. Both buildings. Yep. I am reluctant to say thank you.

Thank you. But I am uh cookies. Did somebody ask me for dessert? Yeah, somebody else. Thank you. Yes, thank you. You're so sweet. So sweet. I have put a couple feelers out um to Mesa to see if they would be willing to uh help in the purchase of or donate a generator. So I I am putting feelers out to that. Uh I haven't heard anything back. So um that is just something that I'm I'm going to ask. So I'm sure to get you some numbers. He's gonna get in contact with with them and start that conversation. So,

did you then there's a couple other ones too. Yeah, there's it's allied now. I believe it is house. Yeah, it used to be Mesa or not Mesa. Um yeah, we and then why the machineries compression leasing does too, don't they? So, but that that's a thought is to look into see if there if somebody would be willing to either donate a generator or donate towards a generator help out with that or be stolen. Even worst case scenario, we steal one. Is that what you said? No, that is not what I said for the record. Start with

We are being recorded. Big brother is watching. We we had a grant that we was awarded um that got pulled back um a little over a year ago, right? This wasn't the plan to separate us out. You separate us out to get you guys a new generator. Russia generator. And actually, we're looking for the water player, too, weren't we? Yeah. And fire department got approved. It was a federal homeland security grant. And um that grant got called back um a little over a year ago, right, when there was a lot of changes being made at the federal level.

Okay. And I do I do have all those those bids and stuff, the proposals here if you guys would like to send me those as we're talking down through that. So, um, we updated the men's bathroom probably eight years ago or nine years ago. Has it been that long? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Time flies. I didn't that long ago either. I know. Time flies. We did the shower and uh built some new stalls. Um, we updated the living room and kitchen two years ago with And that doesn't seem like two years ago.

It doesn't seem like two years ago. Um, we do have uh one of our prospects possibly the next uh engineer that we are going to have um is female. and the female L you guys have all been over there um is is not very pleasant to be in um especially for showering and the such. So we would like to uh do an upgrade in there. It would be redoing the shower with tile, a pan, tiling the entryway to the shower, and then um putting in like a a mop basin on the other side where the shower is and kind of give her a a better place to to shower and be. And along with that would be finishing the upstairs with drywall and and painting and and making it finishing the rest of the hallway and everything. So, that's what that $8,000 estimate is for uh for our trailer with the UTV. Now, like I said, if I'm going really fast and you guys have a question, you can throw a cookie at me or whatever and stop me and ask. However,

you want a cookie? No, I'm good. I was thinking a cookie would be better than a That's what I thought. I was like, I mean, really want a cookie. I found my rubber bands. Did you pay back? Yeah. So, um, wouldn't shot me in the eye. One of the last things we want to do empty or the next things we wanted to do on the UTV trailer is we'd like to put a fuel transfer tank on it. So, we have fuel for the for the machine while it's out and about. And along with that tool box, it's what I have is a it's a fuel box. Um, it's a fuel box. Fuel

fuel tank. Fuel tank. Um, toolbox combo. Correct. So, it would fill up the front of the trailer and be be a place we could put straps and the tie downs and the other tools and stuff we needed for the for the uh, UTV. How many gallons is that one? I believe it's 45. I was going to say I thought it was 45. So, is that include the pump? No, that is just the tank. Great question.

Great. Well, the only reason because we just we've been looking at them and we just bought a slip tank because we've already got the box but not the pump. And I think the tool box slip tank combo was right around 1250 plus. And I think but that didn't include the the pump, right? And I think if if I'm if I'm remembering right, that's about what that one was when I priced it. It seemed like it was like 1400 and that didn't include freight or anything, right? Yeah.

So,

um we have a captain that would like to uh get some new box lights. It's a small ticket item, but I mean kind of. It's a flashlight that's a big box and has a strap on it and you can wear it over your shoulder and it it's got a bright lens on it. You carry it around and they just call them box lights. They're $300 a piece and we're looking at two of them. One for the first out engine, one for the rescue. So, um 600 for that. And I I think one of the most important things we need is to replace our roof. Um we've had a lot of issues with it this last year. Uh after we've put the skylight in and we found that it's not the skylight hole that we put in the roof to to put the skylight in. We believe that the the east end of the building has been leaking up against the wall and on the uh where it bends down on from the parapit to the roof and it has always been running down the concrete roof and it's been finding other holes and um coming in other places. But now that we put another opening in, it's now finding its way to there. Um, I've had a roofer up there, I don't know, probably half a dozen times trying to find holes and stuff and they said with that material that's up there, it gets old and it shrinks and once it starts to shrink, it starts to pull the seams apart and everything. And to the best of our recollection, that roof is original with the building. So, it's 40 years old.

Janelle, that is unacceptable. We got our money's worth. It's his problem. It has It has served its purpose. You're like, "That ain't my building." No, I've got my hands full over here. I think I think we're I think we're at the time that we need to think about replacing it. Um we're having lots of leaking. Fortunately, most of everything is concrete, but um until we tear into the engineer's broom and see how much water damage is on the sheetrock and the the wall in there um could very well be. So, uh that is something that What are they going to replace it with?

Uh something similar to what's on this one is my understanding. I do have a proposal with it. It's it's another uh material that's they call it the EPDM material. Uh and it's a it's another 60 mil. It's thicker, isn't it, than what's over there now.

It's going to be going to be thicker. I believe that they will leave the ballasts up there. So the rock, the gravel that's on it, they'll either pull it all off and put another one up there, or they will push it all to one side and do half it, push it all the other side and do the other side and then spread it back out. But it's, like I said, it's been up there for 40 years, so it's got a lot of dirt and stuff mixed in with it. So they said they're going to take the rock off there. I've had two different bids on it and um it could go either way. It just depends on once they get there on on what what the best

course of action. I know ours had rock and when they replaced it, they took it off. They took it off. Right. And that bid is from Big Horn. He's the one that's been here replacing, fixing all the little holes and gaps and stuff that we've had all this time and uh suggested that we should probably start looking and I do believe that estimate is for 32,000 368 368. The other one I got uh from Lamar was uh close to 52,000. So

Wow. Who did this one know? put it this way. Do you know? It has been so long ago. I don't recall. Big Horn was the one that came in when everybody else came in, looked at this building in the community center, and said it needs a new roof. They came in and looked at it and said, "No, these roofs are fine. They may need a little bit of maintenance, but they don't need to be."

We We had a scare with the community center and and we had two roofing contractors came in and said it was a total loss. Big Horn came in and said, "No, it wasn't a total loss up there, as well as the insurance company said it wasn't. Um, it was just fine." So then, in the meantime, I asked him to come down and inspect the roof on this building and the fire station. And I think Mark's had some struggles with it since then.

Yeah, they came and repaired several things that were leaking and it was good for two or three months and then we have water dripping again. Every time it rains, it drips around the around the skylight onto the ceiling tile. And we call them back out and they find another hole and we call them back out and they find another hole and and it's chasing holes in roofs is it can be a pain in the butt. So, the next item on there is a barrel sauna. Uh I don't think I have the paper. No, I do have

that be just exclusively for firefighter use is my understanding. Yes.

Just everyone's wondering that question. How about we do that? So, um, one of the one of the big things that has come up, uh, more recently in firefighter health is cancer and and screening for cancer and protecting from cancer. And, uh, the carcinogens that the firefighters are in constantly in and out of does a toll can take a toll on them very quickly. We have two that have passed away in Casper and we have another one right now that is going through treatments from cancer uh just because of being in the fire service. The sauna has been proven in the past to assist with decon on people because when you get in a sauna it opens your pores and pushes all the bad stuff out. You uh go to a structure fire and you're in there for an hour working hard, sweating in your gear. You go home, you strip down and you take everything off and you get in a shower and you scrub all off. But you do that here at the station first because you don't want to take it home. And then you go home and do it again. And it'll be three or four showers later, three or four days later that you still smell like smoke, like structure fire. and that they've found that with the saunas it helps to eliminate some of that.

Sweat it out. Of course. Sweat it out. I also did find a a soap. It's called Flame Decon soap and it's I do believe it's based with activated charcoal. So, the guys that have been using this Flame soap say that once you shower with it uh the smell is pretty much gone. Um, so that is something that I have purchased already and we will put into use. So with that paper, it said it's uh 4,799 and you've got it budgeted for eight. Is it just because you're going with a bigger model than that one? No, it's uh it has to be electrically wired in. So, and that's another about $2,500. Where are we going to put this apparatus?

That was my question. Where are we going to We're looking at a couple places. My backyard. So, what's that use for heating? Uh, there's an electric heater in it. It's the 90,000 BTU. I think it's 90 90,000 BTU heater. It's a a little electric heater and you dump water on it and it rocks steams out. Yeah. Yeah. Those ones are way better than infrared. I was talking to a guy because they sell those in twoman, fourman, sixman. I don't think they go eight man, but that one that price there is is a sixman.

I did contemplate dropping it down to a fourman, which would which would save some cost. And as I was talking to a dealer that we have in town, he says if you want to put four people in it, you have to be very, very friendly. So, two people, it might be kind of comfortable, cozy, especially if it's 100 husband and wife. But if you have four in there, it is got to be very cuddle treat. So cuddle. No cuddle cuddle. No cuddle treats. So that was Leo's. I would uh cuddle. I would I would plan on sticking with the out of curiosity. Oh, the 4,800 is for the four to six person then.

Yes. Okay. Interesting. My original thought was to put it kind of underneath the stairs in the back where that shed is. We could put it there.

Um, I have something in my mind that isn't on here, which I'm hoping to maybe switch gears with some funding in here. Uh, is reducing that having a decon bathroom shower. We don't have a bathroom downstairs in the in the station. And I know it's not doesn't have to be ADA compliant because we're not a public building, but to have a bathroom downstairs and sometimes that we do have some events where people are here to have a restroom they can use. But we can also then put a a shower, a decon shower in there with a a utility sink. And I was also thinking on tying this in to that. So making kind of project. Yeah.

So what what places are you thinking about putting it? The bathroom or the the sauna? I was thinking both, but the sauna I was thinking either outside underneath these back by the back door where that shed is underneath the steps going up to the fire extine.

Um, that would be the the reason of putting it inside. So, but if we went on in the wash bay underneath the mezzanine, we can incorporate it with the with the bathroom and the shower and we can sit in the sauna and then jump right into the shower to to wash away. So, be kind of nice not to drag it inside the building, right? Keep it all. That means we have to have a shower outside.

It's cold. So along those same lines, I'm going to skip the the cameras and go to the tactical gear. Uh the tactical gear we had put on there for

the guys right now currently when at night time they when they have a a call in the ambulance, they'll jump in their bunker gear and jump in the ambulance and go to the call and the conversation of taking all of that uh contamination from your bunker gear and putting into the ambulance and then picking up a patient and taking them to the hospital with it all uh is can be concerning as well. They're big and bulky and it takes up space and you get blood on them and and what have you. We can get an AMS tactical gear which is it's bunker gear but it doesn't have the liners so it's just the outside shell so it looks like bunkers but if we had another set of gear it could be our clean gear and we use that for our ambulance calls and and it's the stuff we can get is dual compliant. So it could also be used on on like wildland fires and stuff which we would try to advise against because we want to stay away from the crosscontamination of it. So

go ahead. Your ambulance people, they don't wear like the Why are they wearing Why are they wearing bunker gear? So at night time when you're sleeping, you're not wearing your EMS pants. Correct. You're just wearing shorts and a t-shirt. So instead of putting EMS pants on, they just run downstairs and jump in their bunker gear because it's faster. You jump into your boots, pull your bunk pants up, and boom, you're in the air. Whereas EMS pants, it longer. That's what they're supposed to pants. The bridges. Yeah. That you're wearing.

So we put that in there with the thought that we could go with that gear. The price that I have was gotten uh a December of 24.

December of 24. And for uh 40 sets of gear, it's $80,000. I was not going to spend $80,000 on more gear. So, I cut that in half. And then I got a price from our distributor and it went from $2,000 a set to $1,000 a set. So to get 20 sets of gear, it would cost us 40,000. But if I got 20 sets of gear with this, it would be uh 20,000. We just found that and the problem with it is is it's the end of June. Yeah,

there's a sale on Fireex has a sale on their stuff and it ends in June at $750 a set. So, I wish you had what this looks like. The the gear. Yeah, because I'm just going to be honest. That just seems crazy to me. Like I mean, my the granted I'm not EMS, but 20 years in medical and that just seems crazy to me. Honestly, the expense of it. No. Like, so they're not wearing something like this? No. When they No, it's at night. Just Just just at night. Yeah. Just at night. Why can't they? Speed. Yeah.

It It's I'm just saying that because some of these numbers are awfully they're they're getting a little they're a bit high. That's what that's why I'm asking that. Like I'm sure there's some way that they can put the same boots in the bridges like that and put their shoe. They probably have to lace some their boots. Um, zip it up the side and go. It just it's it's just it's high. So I did I did put this in here with with that thought process in and I have talked to the guys further and PR51, right? They're agreeing with you. No, but he said he he asked you a question. I know. Yeah, I know. Right. Is that what's on the quote?

You sent it to me. Don't you have the quote? Is that Yeah, it's a tech 51. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the Oh, here the expensive stuff. This is what It looks just like Wonder Gear. Yeah, TR51. The line. It doesn't have a liner on it. So, it's dualpurpose rescue/BMS gear is what it designed. So talking to our guys, they are willing to go down that, you know, that's a lot of money to put into gear. That's what I was saying. I would rather lose the gear

and build a a bathroom with that money. Now, that's it's not going to take that much, but that's that's kind of the line that my mind is going down. So, the sauna and shower and that is what you're higher priority. Is that I like the way you put that. The higher priority would be to um build a bathroom that has a downstairs that has a decon shower and stuff in it. Um maybe we could get And do you know a price on that? I don't. Okay.

If I if I threw one out, I would I would probably estimate something about 15,000. So 15,000 plus the eight. So it' be like 23. Yes. I think if I heard you correctly a better use. It sounds like that roof replacement is pretty much at the top of the list. That would be Yes, that would be pretty high on my list. Yes. And then the next would be the bathroom sauna combination thing. Mhm. And then I think not talking about the woman's bathroom upstairs. No, but that needs to be probably number three.

I was going to say, but I would put that as number three because I've seen it and I probably after seeing that, I probably would be like, I'm sorry, Keith Gordet. I'm going to go somewhere else. And I think even even if you don't have a fulltime female over there, if you have a female there at all, I think they deserve to have a Yeah. So yeah, I'd say the women's bathroom is number three. Personally, I would like to uh uh bathroom. Yeah. Update women's bathroom. Okay. Okay. Like down. I see it. Okay. Two. Two would be the barrel sauna bathroom.

Yeah. Decon bathroom. And that would change the price to roughly around like 23 to 25 I would say probably on the high side. Yeah. To say that 30 you guys postco everything has gone up. Yes.

I would like to throw the toolbox transfer tank combo in there somewhere as well. In your opinion, where would that go after the other three? Would that be number four or I would want to mix it in with the roof? Personally, being being a smaller smaller ticket item. Um, I think number four would probably be the the generator. Oh, generator. What did you put what what two things did you want to put together? Sorry.

Well, the the the transfer tank, the toolbox combo. Uh it's not it's not a lot, but with what? I said within with the roof as in priority, big ticket item.

Yeah, it's it's not real big. And it might be one of those that we're not going to spend 40,000 on the roof. So, Uh the last couple of things on there, uh the the security cameras, um Leo did get a a price on security cameras. That was uh that's where the $10,000 came from from this company. And um that was I didn't get I didn't get it refreshed. Uh but this was actually it wasn't that long ago. It was October of last year. So we kind of held off on this one because we were kind of looking for a townwide thing. I know Chad was talking about at one point looking for something that we could do through the whole town. And uh

where would the cameras be placed on the building? just out of curiosity where the cameras are placed now. Um the issue that we have with our Did you guys want to see this? I think we got it, didn't we? Is that the same one that Yeah.

So the the current issue with our cameras now? it it was the old system out of the PD and this building had too many cameras and too much data for that system and so um they opted to get a new one and since we had it it was like brand new they moved it over to us but as we're finding now those older systems they update the camera so fast that the camera goes out and goes bad and now you it's five or $600 for a new camera.

And we have the whole front set of our cameras out front don't work at all. We only have the back set of cameras. And I know these guys have one out that's in the lobby in the lobby there. So, um, having and and it is nice to to have the the the ability to account for what's going on around the station. I know Chief Thompson has come over once and asked for a a video because there was a hit and run that was in the view

kind of in the view of it, but that's when we found out that it wasn't actually working. So, it wasn't it didn't save any of that data. And so, it is nice to have that ability to go back and see what's going on around the around the station. Well, we watched some of extracurricular activity out there, too. Yeah. In the past. question for you. Let's say that for some way we were able to find a townwide system for all the different buildings then and therefore do we just split that up like okay buyer your portion is $2,000 your portion is $3,000 your that's how we do that. Okay.

Yeah. It wouldn't come from one budget necessarily. We could, you know, if you included public works in that, we could split some into enterprise and through their budget. Well, we we're going to need to do at some point because we have the animal shelter down there. I was just curious how it bunches we can find out. No, for sure. If it pertains to multiple departments, we can have we share the cost. Do they do that? Did these guys um well, uh Chief Thompson had looked into this past year. Mhm.

And I don't remember the system that he was talking about, but it could all tie together. And if we're going to go with cameras, we need to go with something that is a townwide thing. Maybe we can revisit that with Chief Thompson and re look at that. I I think it's worth the time to revisit it and because I'm looking at this building. We need the community center one piece me that

one camera in the lobby is $1,500. Um, and then I'm looking at the community center. Just the DVR itself, if I remember right, was like $5,000 $6,000. And we don't even know if the cameras work or not. Yeah. Well, that now that we have the upgrade with our animal shelter, we need to revisit that anyway and something down there at PW. So, it's not PW is needing cameras, too. That's No, that's what I'm saying. So, maybe we can have Chief Thompson or some, you know, I mean, take something off your guys' plate and have

maybe Chief could look into that and get with you and you guys look, you know what I mean? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know what he's got going on or you guys. I don't know. Well, I'm glad I can spur that conversation. Well, no, it's been on. We've talked a little bit about it a little bit. So, maybe he can look at it and see how much maybe each department can, you know, I mean, like what do you need for your department? Oh, I need this, this, and this. What do you need? I need this, this, and this. You know what I mean? Now, I I will say, and I don't know about fire or anything, there's part of me I would hate to give up the cameras that we've got because for us walking out of the building, especially in the dark, we can see.

It's nice to be able to see what you're walking out to. So, I would hate to get that and be like, "Okay, everything's good." And I think like in the courtroom, I think we're going to need that continued footage. Um, so that if there was an incident that took place in the courtroom. Um, so I don't know that the system that we're talking about townwide, we would be able to get away from everything here. Yeah. No, no, no. Um, but yeah, I just caution on that. Yeah. No, just what I mean as far as exteriors to add to it. Yeah. Not I don't mean Yeah.

to take away from anything you guys already have. Yeah, nice nice system that can be integrated together, communicate with each other, upgradeable. Well, not only that, but I think of it as I think of it as like if Chief Thompson or these chiefs need to look at something on the camera, they can Oh, we'll have to call John out of Utah to look it up for you. No, it's something that you guys can look at now. Yeah. But that's cloud-based now. So,

yeah. technology you get on this. Now it's a whole lot better than we get. Same secure camera positioning positions and everything that we like. And if you get 20 cameras and 5% or get, you know, however many percentage your department wants.

Okay, I got a few more things. Not done yet. Um, so we got a grant to buy our extrication tools, the battery operated extrication tools, and we did get those last year, this last year, and uh, they're working great. Uh, we have a an in excess of $7,800 that we got for that grant, and it's it has to be used for extrication tools. Um, we had talk about getting a combi tool, which is basically a cutter and a spreader in one little tool that we could put on the ambulance. Uh, but to get that, we would have to um we'd need another about $4,000 to be able to purchase that. So, that was a request that I put in just so that we could use the rest of that. Um, if that's not a possibility, uh, we could probably use that other for some other tools for extrication that that we could find. But that was an ask that if we if we were able to to put another $4,000 towards that, then we could we could get a combi tool, have it on the ambulance. So, if we did respond to a call and there wasn't a rescue truck or a a set of tools right there, but we had to open up a door or something, we had a tool to be able to do that with. So, and I know there's a lot of big asks in that list. Uh the the next part there for the engine replacement proposal. I know Chief brought it up, Leo brought it up last year that our engines are getting older. Um they're I went looked at them. They got 40,000 miles on them in just over 3,000 hours. And they are aging. There are there are things that are

starting to not there's things that are starting to fall apart, but not things that we can't fix. So, we are putting some money into them to to keep them up to where they need to be. Uh engines right now, we had one out here two weeks ago

from Spartan. uh that's that was running 850,000 for the engine that would that would meet our needs. Um right now we don't have a plan for replacing the engines and we need to come up with one. Uh my my thought was in this proposal is uh we do have the the brush truck fund that we have been putting money into every year going out on fires and and the such. Uh I was asking if there was a possibility that the town would match our funds that we put into that up to $100,000 for a year to be able to put towards a new engine. Uh if we put a if we put up to that $100,000 running on wildland fires and the town matches it, then we would have essentially we could have two thou $200,000 a year in that account for a new engine. And I know that's a lot. Uh but we're going to we're going to need to start looking at some something to be able to replace the engines if need be. was a thought, an idea that I had. I know we're going to continue to go out on wildland fires. This year might be a very busy year and uh we're going to put the money that we make from that into that account and that will go for uh the replacement of an engine unless something else happens and we have another vehicle that that goes out on us that we need to replace. But, uh, that's that's why we have that account and that's what we want to use it for.

What's the approximate balance on that? Um, do you have an approximate balance? I could spitball some. No, you didn't. You g you gave me what was put into it this year, but you didn't give me a

It's 10 and some thousand, right? So, we're I am like 179 or something.

So, I was going to say that looks putting them putting putting the She also gave me one of those too. I think it was like 170. I was going to say we should be in the 170ish area. The thing that we have to remember that is uh that money is spoken for as far as a brush truck that we have already ordered. Now, we did put for Did you say that we already ordered? Yes. A brush truck that we got that we got a SHSP grant for last year as 50/50 grant. Uh and that's

that's was the 135,000 for the from them and then we had 135 on that. The truck's going to be a little more than that. So, we'll have to put a little bit more into it. But I do know we had the money prior to last year. We've already bought the truck. The truck has the chassis has already come out of that. So that 76 I believe came out of 74 76

comes out of the 300 that we have on the truck. So um we're going to be owing them about another 225 or something. Um but 135 of that is coming from the state. So, we put about 44,000 into it last year with the two fires that we went on. So, every fire that we go on a two-eek tour, we bring in between 21 to 23 $24,000 depending upon the time, the fuel, how far we went, and that kind of thing. So, and whether or not the guys want to stay at a hotel that doesn't get reimbursed. So those expenses will come out of out of that that payment that they give us. So this year we have a possibility of making a little bit more because we can send the UTV out as well. And it's uh it will also bring in some pretty good finances as well. So I have high expectations and hopes. What did you say? I was a little uh I don't know what word you used. Overzealous maybe. think I can't remember what I told you. I said don't overextend yourself,

right? Don't count your chickens before they it's good to have high goals, but when you commit to that, then you go whatever we make with it if the town would be willing to to match it. And I don't we want to put a cap on it. So,

um 100,000 probably is high, but I know in busy years we could we could reach that. So, But the only other thing that I want to throw back out there is um full-time firefighters. Um I just want to keep it in front of us so that we um we can remember it. This is the same sheet that that uh Leho had printed last year and I didn't change the rates on or anything. So, it's the same it's the same numbers that was on it. Um, with an estimate on on what that could run us. I'm not I want to meet with you guys and I I told my guys over at the station that I I want to work between you guys and those guys to see what we can do as a fire department and a town to make this possible. Um, I know that's a that's a big reach as well. Um, but what what can we do as a fire department? What do we need to do as a fire department to be able to climb closer to that goal of getting full-time firefighters? That's not something that we have to answer tonight, but it's something that I would pose to you guys as as a conversation point in the future as to what can we do to strive towards that position.

one way. I mean, I don't know how we do it, but it' be more town revenue. Um, I don't know. My I guess my only dream is get that city status, which still gives us a little bit more money, but I don't know. So, a couple of those. And I know I just said the whole brush truck fund going towards um having some some more folks that are full-time to guarantee the truck being out longer and making more revenue is a possibility there. um it could speed up the chance of getting an engine uh quicker. And then having a few more uh EMS personnel could help with doing flight transfers, long distance transfers, that kind of thing. Um, I know it's not a whole lot coming in with flight transfers and stuff, but you know, you start putting a lot of those together and it'll they add up. So, of course, we go back to the amount of calls that we're running and and uh how much we're paying back to Medicaid, Medicare, but uh from our end, that's kind of what we've seen as as possibilities for revenue. I mean, yeah, with only like the catch22 side of that too is um even when we don't have those calls, we still have to be able to afford those people. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know.

That's a tough one. It's hard to make it sustainable. Yes. Yes, it is. and we are looking into um the the funding possibilities of the safer grant and and other other of those as well. Um, I did talk to Chief with the city and willing to share. He was willing to share with me the the things that they did to get that visit with him a little bit on that. So, Oh, are they?

Yeah. Since the federal government just decided to do the appropriation of things and fund half of it, all of our grant options are now open. So, I'll be looking at that for the next couple weeks. All those grants are open. What would be interesting then is, you know, the grant that we had applied for and and was awarded for the generator for the fire station and then everything was put to a halt a little over a year ago under the new administration. I wonder what that looks like right now. I haven't looked at the no or anything like that for anything um for any of the grants so far because they haven't listed anything because they didn't we didn't know what the money situation was going to be like. I'm shocked that they didn't open that back up and reput that money back into that grant funding. So, which is weird. I know it takes a couple years to do that, so who knows?

But we can definitely look at it. I was going to say I've I believe I've got a contact um at the state level. Yeah, we can give her a call and ask if that's I mean I I've not seen anything come across, but that had all been written under a former employee. And so I don't know if some of that stuff went to maybe that that email address. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe his was the one listed. He would have told me if it would have got because him and I work pretty close together. We call grand. So, okay. Uh he would have told me if that would have went to there.

He usually sends us all the grand stuff and he gets information right. So, um yeah, that's weird. Was it a slip grant or was it SHSP grant or was it you know another type of homeland security grant? It's either was either homeland or slip. I don't It was slip. It was slip. It was slip.

That would have been a state thing then. They just released $75 million for infrastructure drains. I don't know if infrastructure would include a generator. That includes generators. That would that help with our roof? And that was just announced today. Well, and if that was the case, I would like to do the same with this building because I know we had gotten quotes to break out the generators for both this building and the fire department. Um, but then when it came down to applying for it, we had to pick one

and we felt at the time that the fire department was more important. The setup is not ideal. It's gotten us by for a number of years the way it's set up. Um, but it's not ideal. It's really interesting. We have one panel over there that if we killed all the power on our on our building, we still have power because it comes from over here. So, it's like it's like what? But I just turned all this off. We're having a problem right now with the switch. Um and we need to replace that switch. Um Mark's been working with a gentleman who's a GenerRack

dealer um for $3,500 um to to repair the switch. Um so that's all I got for you guys. All right. I know it's not very much at all, but hey, we could do for 1.7.

Let's dream. Okay, you guys dream with me for a second. We could get a new we could get a lot of new things. We could do a one a one cent for the new fire engine. We could increase property tax for the the full-time people. We're dreaming here in a perfect world. In an ideal world, yes, we could get the one. An ideal world, we could just go out there with the tree and just You're not watering it because you're only watering water conservation. So, we can't water the money tree. Perfect world. You have a blank checkbook from Uncle Sam. Yeah. Don't hold your breath.

Well, thank you. Guys, have any other questions for us? I don't think so.

Can we recap one second on the onet one time purchase so you guys can because I think I might be missing a couple numbers. So I have number one is roof slt transfer toolbox combo, right? Is that what you guys have? Yeah. the barrel sauna/decon bathroom 2 update women women's bathroom three generator for the station 4 that's all I have you guys have was there more than that I think no but I thought I missed no I just feel like the the conversation dropped or I didn't hear it I think that's as far as we got having having said all of that though um with the helmets and the bunkers

the bunker boots and the radios Um, I see those as a as a necessity. The top four. Yes. The top four. And where do you want that one at? Down. Number five. Number five. Are you on number five? Yeah. One, two, three. Yeah. Five. So, where would you put paint the main base on your list? What number would that be? Six. Well, I'm I'm I'm debating the whole because we have to buy bunkers. Yeah. So, I already put that as essential. That's

paint the main paint the the main bay would would be the next number whether it be uh five or six. Okay. Um I put the first four as essential. Those aren't numbered as two priority beyond that. Then replacement. Yeah. barrel sauna decon bathroom update women's bathroom generator and then paint the main base depending upon what we find with the cameras. Okay, I would probably go with the cameras before the main base.

Lexi, do you know what's projected in? If you had to guess what the projection is for what of like the Yeah. the revenue. Uhhuh. That's on your first What's on your summary page? 7,800. Is there a time frame you going to use? Is it use or lose it or commit to it? See where it's about that right here. because you have all your proposed expenses and then your revenue. That's I just don't want that's in there rightet one time purchases here.

Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. Where looked at right under Okay. Okay. Where are you? First page 7. If you don't if we don't pay with that 4,000, you know, for the combi tool with that 7,800, we could buy um you know, if we wanted to get a couple of couple of sets of of the tactical gear, um some extrication tarps, some saw blades, some gloves, um some uh we thought about looking into what do we have after this? Like airbags. Uh, and I but I know those are probably pretty pricey as well, but we can

just so we don't lose it for it, right? You know. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only issue there. No fitting. That makes sense. And then same when you look at the enterprise, it has your expenses and then your proposed revenue. And I did do the revenue um based on if we did an increase in fees the 5% for this year and then next year that it would be included in this number right here. Okay. So if we Yeah.

versus what's left over I don't like that number. It's based on a 5% increase. 5% and then 5% the next year and then that would be so I mean it's a necessary increase jump unless you're going to cut some things out which when we go to Dan's budgets tomorrow we can we can look at that but I wanted to point out that that is including if you guys do pass the the increase for this year and the rest for this year and at least next year. Correct.

Otherwise, we would have to adjust that if we're not going to go that properly. Enterprise doesn't affect you. Well, kind of a little bit. Um, so yeah. You don't do you know how much we've spent out of the 30,000 for last year for the bunkers? I can get you that number tomorrow by noon. Can you can or she can? Say she'll be coming to talk to me. Hey, I know it's I know it's 802, but can you please get Chief those numbers?

And I could probably look to see how many we've ordered in the last year. I know I'm going to be ordering two sets this month. So it takes a very long time to get those. So those probably will not come until after sometimes they sometimes say they Well, you better order them tomorrow. I have to wait. I say those bunkers if you order them tomorrow, they can't come until July, August. I have to wait for the guy to come measure. You want me to call him? Hey, I need you to come by the end of the week. By the time the PO is pulled for the order and by the time the invoices come in for it, it'll be the next months

beyond. Yes, it's not a quick that. Okay. It's quite crazy that it takes like four months sometimes. I'm still learn. Me, too. You would think it would take that long, but Well, I know I'm slow, but I will I will catch on eventually. The only reason I know that is because Leo would pull the PO and then by the time I would get the invoice, I'm looking back going, the PO was pulled four months ago when he ordered them and we're finally getting invoice because we received them. So that's the only reason I know.

I pick up a few things every offer you a cookie. I would love to take a cookie. Well, true. Now that I'm not talking anymore, I might take another piece of paper. We'll be here again. Dea will be here again tomorrow. So and the next day. Oh, I know. But I felt bad because I'm I think that's I say I'm going to have one or two, my dear. I will be having one or two.

Thank you. oatmeal. So, obviously this has been a year since went through this and done this. So, we go back through and go, "Okay, we want to do these. We don't want to do these." Did you lick it? Hey, um, let's see. Janelle, Alana has a really good question, but I don't know the answer. So, obviously, I mean, there was a lot of asks and a lot of numbers sitting here. Um we have first that are first priorities, second priorities, must have to kind of things. But now how does this work that he's given us the

what ranks we want to do it? How do we go about we start talking about it now of like okay absolutely can this is what we we should do shouldn't do. Um, but because it is the one set funding, what is in our obviously that you said that 210, but what do we have in there? What is available to us for this? The 1 cent. Yeah, because I mean it says it's the onetime purchase from the 1 cent funding, right? And the one cent is that if you want to look at what we bring in for the year, that is included in the sales tax. So if you go to your revenue page because you have your sales and use tax, your 4%.

What color is that? So my revenue page is blank. No, go to the next one. Next page that's just marked in you. Okay. Oh, do you see if you want to look at it on a yearly basis, the 4% you have listed, then you have that 1% and that's what they're referring to as the 1 cent. Okay. So is the 1% only is that one specified only for fire and EMS? So what happened what happened with that was um we were instructed that we needed to we're running with the 1 cent as part of our operating budget. You can't do that. um you can

because it's voted on still. But if they vote it and say we're not going to give you that anymore, now a fifth of your operating budget's gone, right? So the way that it was explained to Leo that makes it easy on us is anything that you have in your budget that can be a one-time purchase, like the bunkers. Do you have to buy bunkers every year? Now, I don't have to, but I need to. If I don't buy them every year, then I'm going to have to buy 30 sets at one time. And we just talked about them being $5,000 a piece. That's going to be quite a chunk of change. So, if we break that down into little sums and we order, it doesn't hurt as bad.

Right. Right. Bunkers uh expire every 10 years. That's what helmets, bunkers, boots, all of that only last 10 years. So if we keep them rolling then then we're it's not such a big chunk to buy it at one time. So he pulled everything out of his operating budget and put it on that page is the one time 1 cent fund. Okay. Obviously we this is only my second time doing this. That's where it was just like okay. Oh absolutely. They're asking for this but what do we actually have in that fund right now that we can pull from? because I mean and that's why I have it because it's included in this number right here for the general fund,

right? And then I have it broken down these onetime expenses. So if we approved everything, we would be in the whole $22,839. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? Wait, come back. Rewind. First page. Yeah, I'm I'm there where the two Right. Do you see where you have your totals and then you go down to your capital expenses, which is what he's talking about? So Mike has in his two vehicles, which would be 140,000. Okay. They have an ask of 210,000. If we were to go ahead and approve all that right now and just go, "Yep, our expenses over our revenue would be 22,839.99

in the red." Yes. Okay. Thank you. Does that make sense? Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm not always good at explaining. No, that was clear to me. Okay. Okay. But this if we did not approve any of those capital expenses, we would be $148,000 ahead. So, and that's why he prioritized, you know, things that

Yeah, that's why I was asking him, did I miss a couple numbers on the N So, what what was the answer to your question, Alana? Cuz now I'm back at the I mean, no. Okay. What do we want to actually do?

You can do it one of two ways, Alana. You can take your notes tonight and kind of talk about the information after you've listened to all budgets. Then you can have that discussion where you kind of prioritize all budgets, what's necessary, and then you can make the cuts or we can do it as we go. There's different ways you can do it. Oh, I think we need to have a recap after we go through all the budgets. Then we get together. Definitely. While we're going make your like we prioritized. Yeah, that's what I was asking though. Yeah. Can you tell me again?

And then at the end after everybody's presented and you kind of gone over everything and made your notes along the way, then you can decide where you want to Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. Cuz those first those first four are first, but they were first first because the other first first was THE ROOF AND THE GAS THING. SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, like where are we at here? That's why it's very beneficial to make a lot of notes while we're going. So really, it's because I've gone go I'll remember that and then I'm like, nope, don't remember that. So

and this this um revenue versus um expense, does that include any proposed raises? That includes the built-in 2%. The built-in 2%. Okay. So, if we was to and Chad had me pull the numbers and so when he's here tomorrow or Wednesday, we can go that. Okay. What it would cost for Okay. And that includes everything taxes, retirement. I do have

Yeah. He emailed me and asked me to put the numbers together for that. So, which is right in line with what is going on in this area. We're behind. Yeah, that's something that would will be brought into discussion as well. I just don't have it included in those numbers here yet because I had all this stuff together and then yeah, um he just wanted for that. if that makes sense.

Can I double check where we're at with those four were the top number one? I know, but I'm like trying to like I'm glad you're this is like a quiz. I know we keep move we're moving the posts here. Um so those first top those top four is the very actual first. So that's those are the essentials that's happening. So that's a that's number one. That's that has to those are done deal. Yes, those are just kind of number one. That's what it is. That's what I'm putting in my notes. I put 1 A, one B. Like I think roof replacement's an absolute. And then I don't know that that's

Number two would be the roof and the tank box. Number three would be the sauna and then the decon shower. Uh, number four is the woman's bathroom. Number five is the generator. Um, and then where do we have? So, right now I don't have the security system on there. That would be number six. And then the painting number six. The painting is the last. Yeah.

Okay. Just wanted to make sure that I've got everything. Okay. Thank you. Absolutely. Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Um, but I think we need to talk about something else though, you guys. First, we need to talk about the rest of that extrication tool thing. We need to that needs to be somewhere, too, cuz if we h if he still has 78,00 that you guys, we need we need to we need to we need to have a Don't don't don't forget that one, guys. We need help with that, too. He's gonna spend that 7,800 one way or another. What he's asking for is an additional 4,000 from us.

I know to get the wish list to get the one tool, right? How important would that be versus getting some other tools? Do you have something else that would be as much of a priority or as important? would that? No, just in general. But if you didn't get the forecast, so I haven't I haven't researched a whole lot of extrication other extrication tools out there. But I know we can we can replace some tarps and we can replace some saw blades and we can uh

in the event that you don't get that for, can you repurp can you get some other 78 things in your list? Basically is what I'm saying. That one. But it has to the the caveat is is it has to be on extrication. That's what I mean. Yes. So I can get some more batteries for the the tools that we have. Um so yeah, I can I can spend it. Um we were just looking at the possibility that uh putting one of these on the ambulance and I talking to the guys I have. It's both ways. It's we need one and they're like a you know we don't really need one. It's so um it's nice to have both ways. Yeah. It's a it's it's a nice to have. Yes.

It's a nice to have but don't have to have it. There's other priorities. I mean, little question for you. If you had had that tool on the ambulance this past year, how many times would you have used it? Twice. I think I think I think the important thing is you have it on the and you're stuck in a vehicle. Absolutely. Yeah, it was worth it. It's better to have it not need it than need it and not have it. Right. I understand that. But there is other I'm asking it a different way. I know. I know. I'm pretty sure it's twice. Twice. Yes.

Money well spent. Yeah. Because most of the time the rescue's going. So, right. Right. And if we don't have our rescue that has good tools on it, we have squad 13 who's got good tools on it. But if they're up north at a fire or up at in Midwest, engine five has tools. And if they're busy, truck three has tools. And if they're busy, rescue one's got tools. So there's redundancy there. There's redundancy there. There is that possibility. It's just one of those that But then there's that time loss if you get into that predicament. Right. Right. You just get an accident.

So you need an axe. We actually have an axe in the halligan on ambulance already for breaking it. Yeah. Just get a slam again. Slam again. I watch Chicago on fire. It's on there. She's like, I know all about I watch I watch Chicago every night. Well, the nights that it's on, but yeah. I'm sorry. So you say you got basically 5050 for and against.

So the ones that are are against it, what would be their priorities of spending that $7,800 on? Do they have any? That's where that's where I got those from is is we have a canvas tarp that's for protection of the tools when you have them out on the ground, but we've always had them underneath our hydraulic tool. So, it's full of hydraulic fluid. And uh now that we have battery operated tools, you don't leak hydraulic fluid everywhere. So, getting a new one of those. Um, the saw blades, the sawzall saw blades that we need for extrication. Obviously, anything fire related's got to be,

you know, for you things here, Mark, that we we have some ideas in which we could look at directions we can go. Okay. So, and I know that costwise, I've never really looked into it. I looked a little bit, but they do make a a little air compressor airbag system that you can pick up vehicles with to if somebody's trapped under a vehicle or you have something. Um, and I don't know I don't know how expensive those are, but they actually use an SCVA bottle mark. They don't use a compressor. Well, I mean, they have Okay.

They they're high pressure low high lift bags. So they actually have a manifold that hooks right to an SEBA bottle and then you just charge the lines that way. Okay. But you need cribbing and you got for less for less than 17. That's another thing. I don't know how they are is um updating our cribbing. And so there we have we have other things we could spend it on. So thank you so much guys. And thank you for repeating yourself for over here. That's all right. I am right here with Lexi and the way I explain same times is is like it makes sense in my head. But

I know I'm like you understand that. I'll be like it's so obvious when they ask me questions and it's like I forget that not everybody does it every day in day out. Yeah, that's what I'm going to ask you 20 times. All right, let's let's go through what is our actual Absolutely. If I don't clarify your question, please ask it again. maybe in a different way that actually like dumb it down sinks in and it's like this is why I have a hard time with my child and teaching him math and stuff because I'm like it's so obvious he's like mom how did you get to that I'm like but is it exactly in my mind very easy but

well thanks Listen to me ramble for an hour and a half. You did very good for your first official. Good job. Couple weeks. You did great. See what we can do on your wish list. Just tell Dan he doesn't need that new truck. That's the least of our problems. He was telling me about something new that we will quote you Mark. Hey, are we done? Yes. Um