City Council - Regular Meeting

Join us in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you and welcome. We'd like to recognize in the back of the room, Senator Schuler, distinguished former member of this council. Thank you for being here. Welcome. Glad to have you. It's good to see you. Uh we need to start uh that with a roll call. Miss Harris, will you help us with that?

Sure. Everyone is present. So, we do have a quorum. Thank you. We have an agenda before us. Any uh comments or concerns about that agenda? Anything to add or subtract or whatever? If there's not, I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. I'll make that motion, your honor. Mr. Welling with the motion. Is there a second? Second, your honor. Mr. Smith seconding. Any discussion? There's none. All in favor say I. I. Are there any opposed?

We have an agenda. We have the council minutes for January 20th and the work session minutes for January 2 uh 27th. Any um comments or concerns regarding those minutes? If not, we will acknowledge those as they've been written and we will move on to the bills. We got a warrant register for today. Questions, comments? If there is none, is there a motion to approve the bills?

I'll make that motion, your honor. Perks motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Mr. Seller seconding. Any discussion? There's no discussion. All in favor say I. I. I. Are there any opposed? That takes care of the bills. The uh revenue and expenditure report for November. Same thing there. Questions, comments? I just have one question here.

Go ahead, sir. Um I guess Trudy's here. She is.

Oh, there she is. Sorry, can't see beyond here, but um I was just looking at the the expenditures and I guess we're on I guess we're on track. When I looked at the the expenditures side of it, I got a little nervous when I saw the the line across on the expenditures over the income. I guess it's in we look at the budget side of it, then it's within the budget range. Correct. If I if I'm reading it right? Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. 34%.

Yeah, I I think I finally figured it out, but I just wanted to make sure. Thank you. They always seem to kind of play leap frog leap frog all the way throughout the year. So, excellent. Any other questions? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve that report. I'll make that motion, your honor. Mr. willing. Is there a second? I'll second. Mr. Seller seconding. Thank you. Any discussion? There's no discussion. All in favor say I. I.

I. Are there any opposed? That is approved there as well. Council comments. Let's start down here. Miss Hegman, start with you tonight. What's on your mind tonight?

That's twice in a row. Oh. There you have it. Um I wanted to address the um the friction that is growing in our community on a political basis of it's trickling down um I think from national politics and it's getting ugly between our citizens and I although I don't participate online I watch it and um I see that discourse and how Um, I'm searching for the right word. Um, it it becomes attacks and these are your neighbors. I want to stress that these are the the people that live in this town and and not the enemy. And and so I just wanted to read this um because I find it very comforting and uh very important to realign the conversation. Um this is the constitution of the state of the wyoming article one declaration of rights section one power inherent in the people. All power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority and are instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness. And for the advancements of these ends, they have at all times an inaliable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they think proper. And I go to that because I cannot stress enough

that the partition participation of the community in our government is critical and essential and that no one in elected office, not us, not the state, and not the president has more power than the constitution gives to the people. Discourse is essential. Political activity is what this nation was founded on. So please, instead of waring online, get involved. Come let us know. Let everyone know. This is part of the game about being an American. And if your only political scars are on the end of your fingertips, think about coming and participating and you'll feel a lot better about it. It is the utmost in patriotic duties. And I will also emphasize this because I forgot it a second ago. Nowhere in section one of the declarations of rights in our constitution does it say that your authority and that your power is only on voting day. There are no words that address that. It is every day that you possess that. That's all I have to say. Mr. Sers, there's a reason I basically stay off of social media. Drives me

nuts. So, I just on that kind of same note, but you know, we've seen some pretty horrific things in our communities in our area the last little while. And not just the people that are involved, but the people who take care of the accidents, of the suicides, of the murders. It's the those providers, those first responders go through a lot. So, make sure we're reaching out and being mindful of those around us. I just I have I worry about what's why we're seeing a an uptick and things happening and I just rented an apartment to a lady today who's in turmoil because her husband had committed suicide um over the holidays and it's just it's just really hard and what what's going on maybe is some of what Miss Hegman said that there's you know, we get so wrapped up in stuff and instead of just paying attention to and working on our needs and and being mindful of our neighbors, um, I just ask I know I preach that all a lot, but I think it's a really good thing. And on a more positive note, something I was thinking about I was sitting there getting ready to come and I'm thinking, oh, it's quarter after 5 and it's getting so light it almost threw things off. So, you know, our shops and our stores and our restaurants are open and water's going to be a problem. I I I see that. But while we have what we have, enjoy it. Get out and see our get downtown. Enjoy those evenings.

I I don't have anything tonight, your honor. Sorry, Mr. Perks. Uh, not a thing. Glenn, I just want to echo what Mike was saying. Um, with the good weather, get out there and support your local businesses. Um, get downtown, go check out the restaurants. Um, we have a few new businesses and the only way those businesses stay open and are successful is if they get support from the community. So, get out there and support those businesses and enjoy this weather while we have it and we'll worry about water here in a couple months. Mr. Schmid,

uh, the only thing I have is, uh, I echo what Mike has said about suicide in our communities and so on and the heartbreak that it is with our citizens. And also on the light side, Valentine's Day is coming up, so don't forget to your other half. That wouldn't be a good idea. Just want to remind you that's when murder happens. Not that's what that's when you go asleep and don't wake back up but in my house anyhow. So anyhow just that's it your honor. Thank you.

Excellent. Thank you. I guess I'll echo the concerns. I I I I've been enjoying this winter too. I think you you think uh but I say that kind of tongue and cheek. we are we are in need of water and uh and so it doesn't hurt us to conserve. I guess as I'm sitting here thinking I would just uh encourage the community to if you're if you're if you've got some beliefs and want to include a prayer or two or something like that in there for that moisture. I don't think that would hurt um hurt at all as well. I know that's something that me and my family will be doing and and uh I I I say jokingly once in a while that I enjoy a good drought during the winter, but uh that makes for an awful dry, thirsty uh summer and we we will suffer the effects of that. So, let's let's all pray for rain, I guess, is where I'm where I'm going with that. Um

and that's all. All right. What's that? Rain's good. You don't have to show up.

Yeah, it soaks in and and yeah, it doesn't stack up quite so quite so hot. But as as warm as it's been, I guess that's what I'm thinking. But anyway, we will move on. Thank you for those comments. Um we do have some uh appointments to make. I will say there's one um change in there that um when we go on to the human service joint powers board, this mentions Evan Perks here. Mr. Perks served distinguishly distinguishingly on that board for quite a while. His work situation pulled him away some time back. I don't remember the time frame, but in hisstead, we appointed David Welling uh to fill that out. So, this should read here that David Welling would be reappointed for a for a term uh to in February 2029. And Mr. Perks and Mr. Welling and I have talked about that. So, I will uh just mention these names as a group and if there's some reason that we need to pull them out and and in and talk about them individually, we can. But uh for the purposes of tonight, I would like you to uh to consider uh reappointing David Welling to four-year term on the Emergency Services Joint Powers Board. That term would end December 2029. Herman Royel will would replace Mr. Robinson on the Evston Housing Authority. Mr. Robinson. I think there's a term limit on there, I think. And so, he's fulfilled that. Thank you for that, sir. Um, and so in his place, we would like to or I'd like to appoint Herman on that board again at David Welling, uh, for a three-year term on the human service joint powers board. That term would end February 2029. And then Susan Anderson and Peter Howard, both to be reappointed to the tree board. Those are three-year terms uh to end January 2029 as well. and then Austin Oliver uh for a three-year term on the planning and zoning commission and the board of adjustments. That term would end January 2029 also. Uh so if

somebody would like to make a motion to that effect, I'll make a motion that we approve your appointments for the boards. Thank you, Mr. Perks. Is there a second? I'll second it, your honor. Mr. Schmidt seconding. Any discussion? Like to thank those that are willing to serve. It takes a lot to serve. Any further discussion? If there is none, all in favor say I. I. I. There. Any opposed?

Those are all reappointed and I appreciate uh all of all of those individuals in their service. Thank you very much. We have no consent agenda. We have no unfinished business and we'll go to new business and start there with resolution 2604. Mr. Harris, you read that title for us, please. Thank you, your honor. Resolution 2604 is a resolution of the city of Evston, Wyoming, authorizing the execution of an agreement for professional services with Sunrise Engineering LLC to provide design engineering construction management services for the city of Evston e-hill water tank number two roof replacement project.

Mr. Newsome. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Newsome. Good evening, mayor and council. Um, the moral of this story is we have a a water tank that needs a new roof. Uh, it's been, I think, been on the docket for a while, dating back to 2017, 2018, um, 7 years ago. Now, it now it just needs to be done. So, back in December, we put out a RFP for any interested consulting firms. two came back and uh the selection that fit fit the project the best was Sunrise. Thank you, sir. Uh I guess for the purpose of discussion, I'll is there an introduction on this resolution? I'll introduce with a motion to pass. Mr. Lind with

I'll second it. Mr. Welling seconding. Thank you. Discussion. This isn't just the roof. There's some other structural going. Yeah, it's the roof itself and then the supports that are in the tank. um you know being underwater all the time. They've they they've come to an end. So, how old how old does this take? 70 years. 70 years. A few years ago, they brought us pictures and showed us the the pillars inside and the roof. And I'm I'm surprised it's been this long before it finally came forward.

Yeah. From all the tank dives, you know, the tank itself uh still in good usable condition. and it's just the roof itself. Uh this project is in the budget. Um water enterprise funds. This is the first step to to get it started. 70 years is a pretty good run. Yeah, it is. Yeah. For a roof. I was going to ask for anything really. How many in the room remember when it was built? But I I won't do that. I won't do that. I want to point that out. Is there any further discussion? I think it's Do

you know how long the U project will take? Optimistically, my my thought is is we get the design started. Hopefully by the fall, you know, it's actually able to go out to a bid and then they can do that work over the winter when the demand of water is a little less. Tanks aren't being, you know, used as much. And then hopefully this winter is what it takes. Let's hope we have water to fill it back up. Might not be a problem. Yeah. Further discussion. Is this a Wyoming coming company?

Yeah, they are. Uh they're based out of Afton predominantly, but they do have a office in Kmer and then Cheyenne and other states. You used to have an office here. Always a bonus. There's no further discussion. All in favor say I. I. I. Are there any opposed? That is approved. Thank you. Thank you. Ordinance 2601, Mr. Harris, please.

Thank you, mayor. Ordinance 2601 is an ordinance of the city of Evston, Wyoming, relating to zoning, amending, and adopting provisions of chapter 24 of the code of the city of Evston, Wyoming, relating to accessory dwelling units. This ordinance, Mr. Mayor sponsor by sponsored by councelor Welling. Thank you sir. Mr. Jacobson.

Uh yes. Uh mayor and councel uh presently the uh city of Evston zoning code does not permit accessory dwelling units in any part of the city. This proposed ordinance would allow accessory dwelling units in certain zoned areas either conditionally permitted or permitted. Um the Evston comprehensive plan addresses accessory dwelling units within low density residential districts in the city. The plan states that there is interest in allowing an accessory dwelling unit on a lot that contains a primary residence. Assess accessory dwelling units may be used for guest housing or as living space for family members, typically seniors. Additionally, accessory dwelling units may be used for rental income. The plan recommends that this action be permitted in minimum if minimum lot area requirements per dwelling unit are maintained. So, uh, proposed changes, uh, to the schedule of permitted land uses would include adding a land use category 8.1 accessory dwelling units, conditionally permitting uh, accessory dwelling units in lowdensity residential zones, permitting accessory dwelling units in rural residential zones. there are some conditions or provisions that apply and you'll see with the uh P8 uh you'll see see section 2426.1 that is a new section added to the uh proposed to be added to the code as well

as C8 C section 24-26.1. I'm going to um bear with me. I'm going to go through each one of these conditions for 24 26.1 in in uh detail uh for the public record. So in districts where accessory dwelling units are allowed or allowed as permitted or conditional uses, they shall meet the following standards in addition to all other lot and building standards for the district. Number one uh is number of accessory dwelling units. Only one accessory dwelling unit is permitted on a lot with a detached single family dwelling and in zoning districts where accessory dwelling units are allowed as a permitted use or as a conditional use review. Accessory dwelling units are uh prohibited on lots with single family attached dwellings or multifamily dwellings. Number two, minimum lot size and open space. An necessary dwelling unit shall only be approved on a lot that either complies with the minimum lot area requirement for the zoning district or where the minimum usable open space area per dwelling unit can be maintained with the addition of the accessory dwelling unit. The addition of the accessory dwelling unit shall not double the minimum usable open space requirement for a lot or parcel. Number three, no subdividing or segregation in ownership. An ADU shall be prohibited from being subdivided or segregated in ownership from the principal dwelling unit or from being reclassified from an accessory use to a principal use of a lot or parcel of

land. Number four, size limitations. Three parts to this. Number A. In no event shall a detach ADU accessory dwelling dwelling unit and I'll abbreviate accessory dwelling units is ADU as I proceed forward exceed 50% of the print area of the principal dwelling unit or up to a maximum of,200 square ft whichever is less. Square footage calculations as contained herein exclude any garage, porch, deck, or similar structure attached to the principal uh principal building. An ADU shall not be less than 190 square ft in area. Item number B, the footprint area of all accessory buildings, including a detached ADU, shall not exceed 75% of the square foot size of the principal building's footprint. Item number C, the unit uh size limitation shall not apply to an ADU located in a basement. An ADU may occupy the entire floor area of a basement. Number five, maximum bedrooms and sleep areas. ADU shall be limited to no more than two bedrooms or sleep areas. Number six, building appearance. An ADU, whether attached to or detached from the principal dwelling unit, shall be designed to match or complement the architectural style and features such as sighting, roofing, and window materials of the principal building. The ADU shall offer a residential appearance that is compatible with other surrounding dwellings in the neighborhood in which it is located. Number seven, minimum setbacks. Detached accessory dwelling units shall comply

with accessory use setbacks and accessory building height limitations. Attached ADUs shall comply with principal use setbacks for the district in which it is located. Number eight, off- streetet parking. In addition to the minimum number of off- streetet parking spaces required for the zoning district, one additional off- streetet parking space shall be provided for the ADU. The parking area shall be paved with asphalt, concrete, or similar dust-free permanent surface. An uncovered parking space for the accessory dwelling unit may be in a required yard setback abing a street. The parking space for the ADU shall comply with minimum stall requirements of section 2458 of the city code. Number nine, types of construction exclusions and exceptions. An ADU shall not include manufactured homes, mobile homes, independent or dependent travel units, temporary or seasonal structures such as units on skids, yurts, and tents or similar uses with the following exceptions. Uh uh a list under number nine uh reads, "A manufactured home may be used as an ADU only in lowdensity residential, mixed, or rural residential zoning districts and only if the principal building on the lot is a manufactured home. In addition to these standards, a manufactured home, which is permitted as an accessory dwelling unit, shall comply with the standards of section 7-52.1 of the city code that's located in in the building section of the city code. Item number 10, water and sewer services. A primary dwelling unit and an

ADU may share common water and sewer services provided there are uh there are separate accessible water service shut off valves allowing the water to be turned off on one side without affecting the other. There shall be no more than one billing per meter. Number 11, address shall have a separate house number from the primary dwelling unit. Number 12, permanent foundation. An ADU shall be placed on a permanent foundation. In zoning in zoning districts where a manufactured home is permitted and the principal building on the lot or parcel of land is a manufactured home, a manufactured ADU shall comply with the foundation and perimeter uh permanent perimeter skirt wall requirements of section 7-52.11 of the city code. Item number 13, occup occupancy limitation. An ADU shall be occupied by no more than one family. Family is defined as a person or persons related by blood, marriage, or adoption living together in a dwelling unit. Item number 14, one-year residency. A property owner proposing to construct an ADU shall continuously shall live continuously in the principal dwelling unit as their primary residence for a period of one year prior to submitting a conditional use permit application if required and a building permit application for an ADU. Item number 15, owner occupied. The owner of the property containing an ADU shall live in either the primary dwelling unit or the ADU as their primary residence. The ADU shall not be

occupied unless this is the case. Number 16, filing notice of ADU regulations after approval by the city engineering and planning department of an accessory dwelling unit. Pursuant to subsection 14 of this section, the property owner will record with the Una County Recorders Office a notice of ADU regulations that shall contain a legal description of subject property. The notice of ADU regulations shall be in a form approved by the city engineering and planning department prior to filing. Item number 17, provisions of appendix BC, accessory dwelling units of the international residential code. The provisions contained with in appendix BC, accessory dwelling units of the international residential code, shall apply to accessory dwelling units in the city of Evston unless specified otherwise in the standards of this section. Uh with uh the uh proposed changes, uh we have a definition for accessory dwelling units and it reads a separate dwelling unit that is associated with incidental 2, related to and is clearly subordinate to another dwelling unit as the principal use in size, use, and appearance and is located on the same lot as the principal dwelling. An accessory dwelling unit may be located within, attached to, or detached from the principal dwelling and shall provide basic requirements for living, sleeping, eating, cooking, and sanitation. Now, the planning commission met on June in June, July, and August and November

of 2025 to discuss the proposed tax amendment uh to permit accessory dwelling units in lowdensity residential and rural residential zoning districts in the city of Evston. The planning commission did not have a quorum at the October meeting and did not discuss the uh text amendment at that meeting. The contents that I have u presented uh uh within this proposal of this report reflect the recommendations of the planning commission. The planning commission voted unanimously to offer a positive recommendation of approval. Uh, the city council has discussed the proposed text amendment at the December 9th, 2025 and January 27th, 2026 city council work session meetings. No decisions are ma are made at those work session meetings. So, what's been presented to you currently is what the planning commission is recommended to the uh, city council. Based upon those discussions at these meetings, the following al alternate standards to section 24-26.1 are offered for discussion and consideration. For item number four, there is a um um a part to consider which would add uh to the end of item A 4A. Everything would read the same as 4A currently stands, but it would include at the end of that in addition to the standards of section 24-26.1 a detached accessory dwelling unit which is 400 square ft or less and at least

190 square ft shall comply with the provisions of appendix BB. Tiny houses of the international residential code and I have provided a copy of that um that appendex that provides um uh some uh standards uh for basically tiny homes. So, anything that's 400 square feet or less um and at least 190 square feet in that range, we'd recommend that that be included. Item number 14, one-year residency. uh proposed changes to that would be uh adding physically within the first sentence and I'll read that first sentence. A property owner proposing to construct an accessory dwelling unit shall physically live continuously in the principal dwelling unit as their primary residence for a period of one year prior to submitting a conditional use permit application if required in a building permit application for an accessory dwelling unit. And here's um an addition um of maybe a proposed change to that would include with the following exceptions and uh this I believe addresses um oh let's see uh I'll I'll just read it out. So, there's an addition to item number 14, which would include a if a lot is undeveloped or vacant with no existing structures and a building permit for a new single family detached dwelling unit is requested, an accessory dwelling unit

can be incorporated into the initial request having without having to satisfy the one-year waiting period. I believe this addresses uh that addresses my concern. Lynn's comments. When you're looking at constructing a new home on an undeveloped lot,

uh it's cheaper to uh um construction wise to construct at that time as the primary dwelling unit is being constructed. It also limits construction the construction period so you don't have two separate construction periods that your neighbors have to kind of suffer through. So uh so that's a proposed change. And then item number 15, owner occupied. The owner of the property containing an accessory dwelling unit shall again physically that would be added to live in either the primary dwelling unit or the accessory dwelling unit as their primary residence and then add for uh for more than 50% of the calendar year. The accessory dwelling unit shall not be occupied unless this is the case. Uh when we um uh discussed this at council work session, uh a 90% figure was tossed out there. Um I have uh presented possibly a 50% for consideration. anything more than that, I I think you would be looking at that as your primary residence. So,

I think the that for the taxes, you only have to live in your house for eight months to get the tax credit. So, I'm wondering if we ought to align with that a little more. I don't know. Are you proposing that 15 would replace the way it reads right now with this one? Uh yeah, the way I've read 15 is what I'm proposing to replace 15 as I read as I read in the

in the ordinance. Yes. So, does does that answer the question of what he brought up about the um if they if they use the residence for if they don't occupy it over 50% of the time, if we're say they occupy it for 60% of the time, uh does that still open that property up to be leased or to be used by other members or non-members of the family,

you would have to have a property owner living in either the accessory dwelling unit or the principal uh building on the property for at least as I recommend in the change on 15, it'd be for at least 50% of the time. So if if if I had and the ADU if I had an ADU on my property and I I lived in that for 50% of the time, what are my options on the other 50% of the time?

Could be more more. Yeah. More more than 50% of the time. But um yeah, so long as you would be living there more than 50% of the time, the ADU could be used. And is it structured like a is it 50% of the year? Is it 50% of the I'm assuming it's of the calendar year. 50% of the you know, six months out of the year. It's just a little vague and yeah, I mean we could include uh a 365 day calendar year at least more than 50% of that.

So the way the original one reads is the owner of the property containing accessory dwelling unit shall live in their primary dwelling unit or accessory dwelling unit as their primary residence. The accessory dwelling unit shall not be occupied unless this is the case. That's what's in here. And you want to replace it with the 50%, right? Is that uh that's that's a recommendation. Yes, that's the recommendation is to replace that. Okay. So, as a if we replace it with a as a reading 50%. Then you could still theoretically use that accessory dwelling unit without being there if we were to adopt the one that you're recommending. Correct. As long as you were there. 50. As long as you were there. as you're there at least half the year.

That's the way I'm reading it. Yeah. More. I just want to make sure I'm reading it right. Good. As long as you're more there longer than 50% of of the year. Yeah. 365 day if you want to include that. So essentially what we're doing is we're eliminating the idea that you have to be there all the time to use the ADU or or uh utilize the ADU. We're just saying you got to be there more than 50% of the time and that meets the you'd have to yeah physically live there or at least uh more than 50% of the time and then yes um are we going to see those changes rent that out or have family members use

we're going to see those on the next reading those changes Mr. Harris maybe you can help us with that. So, Mayor, um the as Mr. Jacobson said, the ordinance came to you the way that the planning commission recommended it. Right.

So, um I would uh suggest and recommend that it be introduced um and considered as it was drafted. And then if there are amendments along the lines that he uh that he had just gone over with everyone um there and if you if you look at his report you'll see that there's amendments potentially to section four 14 and 15. And so if the if the council introduced it, motion to pass and second it the way it's introduced, then it could consider amendments uh to any or all of the ones that you just think amending second reading last week

would be the next way to go. So we need to in essence approve it on first reading and then make an amendment that we would we would approve on a second reading for these with these chang second reading, third reading, whatever you want. Whatever whenever you could do it tonight if you want. That's what I'm saying. And wouldn't we want to make a motion with that in that motion saying we approve these amendments from the planning and zoning so that on next reading it reads with these? No, we can you I would I would recommend that you introduce it, move to pass, second it, and then you move to amend it. You can do that tonight with any of these you want. Those if approved, those changes would appear. Okay. So, same thing. It's just two two different motions we got to make.

Yes. Okay. Okay. Is everybody ready to move on or there are questions that we need to talk about before we move to that point? I have one quick question. When you say 190 to 400 square ft, is that the footprint? If you wanted to or is that the total living space? Because that's the footprint area. If you have a footprint and then you put a second story on, you could be 800 800 square feet. That's I don't know. Yes, it's I I believe it's uh the area. That's the minimum up to,200.

Maximum is 1,200 I think. So anywhere in there you'd be fine. So in that section, yes. In no event shall a detached accessory dwelling unit exceed 50% of the footprint area of the principal dwelling unit or up to a maximum of 1,200 square ft whichever is less. But then that you said but then you turned around and said some about 190 square ft to 400 square feet. So minimum

that that uh that is the range. Uh so an ADU shall not be less than 190 square feet. 00 square feet comes in to play is within the uh tiny homes uh that section of the international residential code appendex they set a uh for tiny homes uh a limit of 400 uh square feet. So if we're talking about that square footage then those those requirements building code requirements for the tiny homes would apply. Yeah. So if the footprint area of the ADU falls between 190 square feet and up to

400 square feet up to 400 square feet then those additional standards in international residential code would apply. Those would apply but you could you build it anywhere between 190 and 1,200 square feet anywhere in there. That made sense. I just you were given the different numbers than I thought. So thank you segment. Do you have a question for Mr. Jacobson? Yeah, I want to go back to 13. Occupancy limitations in ADU shall be occupied by no more than one family. Uh family is defined as a person or persons related by blood, marriage or adoption living together in a dwelling.

Yes.

My only concern to that is it's actually a big one. We have a older community and uh this limits that uh a very valuable asset for having an ADU which is to have a caretaker in senior years. More seniors are living longer in their house because they want to stay in their house and it is incredibly expensive care homes. And to have to be lucky enough to have one of these features and be able to have somebody even in the hospice stage be able to occupy this house would be such a incredible benefit to our community to allow caretakers and uh hospice workers that actually do become family towards the um to be um included instead of omitted in this and to deal rather have it there in plain language that that's okay because during a time like that you really don't want to have a planning and zoning issue, you know. So that's something I would like to consider. Are are you thinking of adding a hospice worker that would care for

caretaker? Yeah, caretaker or hospice. it. I can the benefit of that what when seniors are living longer in their homes would prevent injuries and um be able to alleviate family members um and have uh the problem is just as you go forward if you look at the definition section which the whole thing is included 24105 you'll see in there that family is defined. So that's the definition already in code and all that uh I think Mr. Jacobson did not all minimize it but he just dropped that family definition over into uh the occupancy u limitation because family definition in 13 is the same as in the code. So, uh, if you make a change to the definition of family in the code, remember that you could have unintended consequences of other code provisions relating to family. So, that's one thing to think about. The other thing that could be done in that is that is to clarify and make sure um that the dwelling unit if there is a caretaker I'll just leave it a caretaker. Uh the question would be is whether that caretaker is occupying the dwelling. If they're there even overnight, they may not be considered an occupant like a person who resides there. Does that make sense? So, if you wanted to make certain that that that they weren't going to be considered as occupants and provide for caretakers to do that, you could do it

that way too without changing the definition of family. Hope sense. And I guess the way I'm reading this number 13 here is I don't know that anything in there would would prohibit the addressing the concerns Miss Hegman is talking about truly because it does this talks about the the ADU being occupied by no more than one family. So that that's I I don't think anything would be prohibited uh that I'm reading at least as far as that definition is concerned. So, anyway,

well, I mean, under 13, it says they either got to be related by blood, marriage, or adoption, living together in a dwelling unit. I mean, you wouldn't have to change the entire code to just add into 13 caretaker, would you? That's what I'm saying. and and and make it make it it's actually an exclusion that the property may be occupied by caretakers or who are non-family members. Yeah. So you could add that like an exception to Yes. to that maintaining the same definition. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,

I think it I think mayor if I can it would be to it would be better to clarify caretakers or hospice workers whatever we come up with uh are not considered to be family members but can but can reside there because they're not going to be a permanent occupant. That's the way I distinguish it than to change the definition of family. Yeah, that's a great I agree. I don't think it's a bad idea though. I know several situations where people are have caretakers that are not family, right? So to to add that language in there would probably not be a bad idea.

And I think we could I think we work something up and bring it to you for second reading. Yes, we we can do that. Yeah. Well, uh for our purpose here tonight, I guess uh we've got a sponsor. Um, I'll entertain a motion to approve ordinance 2601 as we have it here before us on first reading. I'll make that motion that we pass 2601 on first reading. Second, Mr. Perk, Mr. Seller seconding. Any discussion? Do you want to make your motion? I think we ought to get it on the table and then make a motion to amend.

Yeah. So, we got to approve this and then make a motion to add the amendments. make motion to amend it right now. Okay. I'll I'll make the motion to uh add the amendments from the recommendations of the planning and zoning commission. I'll second that. Your honor, we have a motion in a second to add the recommendations of the Mr. Jacobson. Um I guess I want to address that correctly. Do we know exactly how do I want to do that? The recommendation your motion is to follow the recommendations that Mr. Jacobson has outlined. Yeah. with 4 A, 4 B, 4 C, 14A, and uh replacing 15.

Okay. Excellent. Mr. Schmidt, is you is that second? You're still valid. Okay. Any discussion on that amendment? Are we going to put in a motion? Do we do it after this one for the amending 13? I think we Mr. Mayor can. What we had recommended is we we draft some language so everybody can see it, have time to take a look at it and bring that back for a potential amendment. Second read for a second. Second read. Gotcha. Any defer uh further discussion on the amendment. I think I think those are good good amendments. There's no if there's no discussion all in favor say I. I.

I. Is there any opposed? Okay, that is approved. So, now we go back to Ordinance 2601. Is there any further discussion there? Um, I would like to say thank you for the open discussion we've had about this. It's been nice to be able to communicate, talk to everybody, have a lot of back and forth. I think that's the way we should go about a lot of this stuff. I think, and I appreciate your guys' work on it. Thank you very much. Yeah, I really appreciate the planning commission and everyone that's they work hard for us. If there's no further discussion, uh, all in favor say I. I. I. I. Are there any opposed?

That is approved on first reading and then we'll get the get the new language and we'll talk about that on second reading. Thank you. Thank you. Departments. Mr. Nome, you have anything for us tonight, sir? I do not, sir. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Robinson. I appreciate your comments and concerns about the weather and the snow and the water. Just as a matter of information, um, we have the ability to fill our reservoir from the pip or from the river, but the pipeline, we've raised our reservoir level 7 ft since the 1st of October. And if the river sustains itself like it is, we should have a full pool in the reservoir. Nice. Midappril. So, our storage will be good, but I'm still concerned about the rest of it. Absolutely.

On a positive note, we've made it to February and not had one single snow complaint of snow. Streets are streets are clean. Absolutely. Excellent. Miss Larson, do you have anything for us? Nothing tonight. Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. Nothing. Lim. Chief Ranch. Sir, Miss Harris, nothing tonight. Mr. Harris. Nothing tonight, your honor. Thank you. Thank you all. Public participation. Is anyone here would like to address the council for any reason?

I have a couple of things. Uh Kathy Cook 912 main. Um once again, the people watching this on YouTube or wherever um can't hear the people in back such as Trudy's comments today. Um I'm sure they couldn't hear that. So maybe they can come up here and talk since there's not a a microphone back there. You mean just just now these comments right now? Well, earlier Henry had asked Trudy something and the people I'm sure couldn't hear that. Okay.

Um another thing is um does the city have an ordinance uh pertaining to land owners to keep their property in good standing? I guess there's a variety of Mr. Mr. Harris, maybe help me. I think there's a variety of ordinances to to that effect. I don't want that. Go ahead, Miss Cook. We do. We have a complete uh chapter of our code uh relating to nuisances, portions of I think chapter 7 uh dealing with the building code deals with dangerous and abandoned buildings. Um but yes, we do.

Okay. Okay. So, what's being done with the Hills Hill Hillrest Motel that caught on fire last summer? Mr. Mayor, I'd be glad I will send you that information tomorrow. Okay. Okay. I would like, you know, maybe the people out there could hear it, too. So, they can they can they can request the same information. I mean, if you drive by it, it's being demolished. Um, it doesn't look like anybody's done anything for a long time. Also, actually, it looks to me like there've been there've been a lot of decent work on it. I drive back and forth all the time. I've never seen anybody work. Me, too.

Me, too. Um, as I've heard people say it's an eyesore when they come to visit Evston. They come through and that's the first thing they see. Also, Bear River Drive is an eyesore as well and things just seem to stay the same. Okay. I, you know, all of those properties are individually owned. I don't know, right? Um, so you just said you had an ordinance, so I was wondering what was being done about it. I don't even know how to answer that question. What's being done?

We always encourage people if they have a a complaint, um, particularly nuisance complaints, you can contact the Evston Police Department, make a report to

Okay. Um, also, uh, since we're getting the horse palace here and we're kind of being we might become the little Vegas, I don't know. Um, especially in the summer, more people come through town. Um, I've noticed that down downtown is sometimes also it's almost impossible to get a a parking spot if you're running in to get something. Um, so I've noticed um that business workers, so businesses, their workers park over eight hours in the same spot. Um, so I think that's a problem. Um, even like the county building, the workers take the prime parking spots for people coming into the businesses. I've worked in cities where I've had to of course drive like 40 m 40 out 40 minutes to get to work, then I park in a parking spot and then I have to walk 20 minutes to get into work. Um or I can take a bus, a shuttle. I've also um had there's been I've worked in like Seattle where I've had to there's no parking in town. So I have to take a bus and then um walk eight blocks up to my business my work of business at 5:30 in the morning so that people of the business you know the people visiting the businesses have a place to park when they come into town especially like by city drug. Um they have people come and go all the time. They only have one um handicap parking place. And I've I've seen some pretty uh uh pretty bad people walking into city drug where, you know, they could have used a parking spot. Be glad you don't live in Seattle

anymore, I guess, is what I would say. I mean I I those all of those I mean our our police department enforces enforces parking ordinances many of the uh the the uh parking conditions that you recogn or that you mentioned truly speaking are individual property owners uh concerned we have ordinances that are enforced uh those parking I mean it's been an issue for many many years that uh parking is always at a premium downtown u my wife and I were down there just today and and you know we had to look around for a parking spot as we went into city drug uh and so I I hear your concerns uh but it's it's an ongoing it has been an issue for quite a while so I what to do about it unless we can you know make more somewhere I don't know you know where that would be

well it be kind of nice maybe if you had a plan um maybe you could have a special place for business owners to park their workers to park with lighting that they would be safe going back to their, you know, car. Again, you're talking about individual property rights and individual property owners rights and efforts. It would be very difficult for the city to accomplish something like that. But I I hear you. We have the the parking behind Mother May. It's hardly ever full. We have Daruse, right? Uh we have a two-hour parking. I guess we could start enforcing that. Yeah, it's not important. How many hours do you park in front of your place?

Well, I come and go all day long, but yeah. I mean, would a two-hour parking work for you? Yeah. 247. Well, you don't need it in the evening when sometimes when there's a some event going on, correct? And I can move the car. I wouldn't mind parking behind Mother Maze. I'm just saying I'm just saying there it goes both ways. We can't Right. Mhm. So, I think it's a community collective on the main street. There's so many great ideas that I've always heard through the years. You know, we have plenty of parking. We don't have plenty of walkers.

So, that's that's the issue. Um, but, you know, during the summer months, during the winter months where it's cold and nasty, um, I don't think that there's too many businesses down there that aren't um, you know, they want the the the the traffic. Um, and so it makes absolute sense, but maybe that's something where, you know, Main Street comes together to support each other and get the consumers because if they're driving by and there's no parking, they're like, "Adios." And that's part of our problem, especially in a downturn community. But we have all the parking uh across the street, front street. It's only a little bit, you know, I I have an issue with a crosswalk, but

if that would be good in the mornings or whenever if it would be light enough for people working like in restaurants.

I'm talking about in the summer. I mean, I think we to to do even a trial, you know, nothing's set in stone, but to come up with a plan with the community to say, "Hi, why don't we try this in the summer so it's not brutally cold and it's not covered in snow except for our occasional June snow showers." Um, but you know, the the people downtown want to support the other businesses because if you bring in somebody, they're going to travel, walk down, and especially when they're walking, you know, around. So, um, I think it's a great idea. I think maybe um if the city can't seem to get it done, maybe a community initiative um and then come to the city with that initiative um and we can do uh more with that because you know the the rights of the property owners are ironclad in Wyoming constitutional law. It's a it's like a bear trap of doesn't come with

language. Yes. But also on that, which is what I'm addressing uh with the property owner rights, but so do businesses. Businesses need to survive and that is a downtown district based on businesses like you're saying and it needs to go um those rights are protected as well. So, um I I see great things that can happen. Um and um I'll get involved. I'll help move it forward on Main Street. It's my area um and get that together and see if we can't get a consensus with the business owners to try this um in starting for the summer months where they where the employees park across um

someplace. Yeah, we have we have parking down there. It's not We have a sign that's this big, but um it's there and it's empty all the time. It's always empty. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Senator.

Hello again, Mr. Mayor and Council. Thank you for giving me a couple minutes. I'll try to be really quick. just wanted to uh popped into um county today to see if they had any issues with any of the bills that are coming down the pike. Uh you know, I take off this weekend for the budget session and I wanted to do the same with you. Hope that you're kind of looking at some of those bills. I don't think there's an awful lot that will really affect the city as of right now. Um but there's only about 200 bills that are numbered right now. There's about another 200 that are on their way. So, uh just kind of take a look at that. I know some of you are headed to Wham next week. So, I'll probably see a few of you, I hope, down there. We can talk a little bit more in depth, but um I know direct distribution is probably the thing most of you are concerned about as myself as well. I have a couple of ideas on on what I think we can do there to codify it and and you know, take into account inflation and and that sort of thing and and make sure that we don't have this song and dance every year with what we're going to do with direct distribution. So, have a couple of ideas that I'd like to float by if I can next week. I won't do it today, but um there's also a bill I think that might be kind of important on gaming or simalcast. Um and I think it's been a long time coming. A lot of the historic horse racing machines, those have been improved in the in the past by the county. Even though a lot of those machines are in the city limits, so we have a bill coming forward that basically says if if it's in the city, you you folks get to make that decision. It's in the county, the county commissioners get to make that decision. So, I think that's a good move. Um, there's also a bill in the House that is talking about recalling municipal uh elected officials. I, you know, I don't pay too close attention to the House bills because until they come over to the Senate side uh last year, there was a hundred of them that never even got out of the drawer. But anyway, you might want to look at that one. I just thought it was kind of silly. But anyway, that's me. Um, there was another one on zone, a couple of them on zoning. So, a couple of you might be interested in some of those zoning issues. So anyway, just

follow along. While gov.ledge wyled ledge.gov, excuse me. And uh if you have any issues, you know, even between now and when you come down for WHAM, uh give me a holler, send me a text. I I actually do better with texts and phone calls because we get inundated right now in the last couple of months with, you know, 50 60 emails a day. I do try to filter out the ones that are from you and a county first. But, uh, give me a holler, give me a text if there's something you have an issue with and glad to serve and do whatever I can to help out the city of Evston. So, appreciate that. Any questions? What's going on with that $1 an acre foot p selling public land for homestead? Did he hit fall and hit his head?

I think it's uh Yeah, I don't think that's one that that will get very far. Let's just put it that way. I doubt that it'll even get out of the house. So, yeah, I wouldn't get too concerned with that one. I mean, it's a young guy that maybe had a great idea, but hadn't really thought through all the different ramifications of how that could affect people. So, that's very a polite way of saying that. I'm trying I'm trying to be politically correct. I'm not always good at it. Senator Schuer, is there any more talk about the uh the distribution of sales tax uh instead of the 7030? Yeah. 5050 or something to be better.

Yeah, there's there's some issues coming out of revenue that I I I have to just shake my head. Um, I've already talked to the revenue chairman in the Senate. Um, I I just said, I think you're up in the night on some of these things. Um, because, uh, our property taxes are already having an effect, the 25% on our counties and our cities and our schools and our colleges. I was at a meeting uh, just last week uh, Western Wyoming College had a uh, Dr. Young talked about they've laid off 50 people. Uh, that's just one instance. And so I know it's affected all all of your budgets in one way or another. And I guess there's some folks that think that you're all fleshed with money. I don't know where you're hiding it, but apparently um they they haven't um most of them probably haven't set foot in a in a county commissioner's uh meeting or a city meeting during budget or any other time. And I don't think a lot of them have been into the schools as well. Um and I call them on that all the time, so I'm not saying something I haven't said to their faces, but um I just don't think it's going to fly. I don't think they have uh the votes to do anything like that. And really all it does, I I call it the reverse Robin Hood. You know, you're you're just going to let people that, you know, the millionaires and billionaires in Jackson um have less to pay when they they can pay and then you're going to turn around and you're you're going to ding the people that have, you know, less money with sales tax. Um it's an unfair tax and so I certainly wouldn't vote for it and hope it doesn't even get to our side, but I don't think they have the votes to do that. So that's just me. I'm I'm always predicting with my crystal ball, but we'll see.

Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you for always coming and keeping us up to date. I kind of wish we had some representatives.

Appreciate it. One more. So, some of the um I haven't poured through all of them yet. I'm just getting started because I've got this to deal with. Um but there seems to be a lot of encroachment on um the state from the federal government and what's the push back on that because that is not I'm I'm reading online and it seems and I'm uh I'm surprised that there are um people laying down to federal overreach um and such you know what brought it when I started going through it and it the rabbit hole hole is not fully tunnneled out yet. So um but immigration even you know last year immigration which is wreaking havoc on our nation right now and even in our town um you know Wyoming didn't enforce or didn't pass the bill to allow um employers of illegal immigrants to be held accountable. they pond it off to the federal government. And so, you know, for a fiscally conservative state going after hundreds of thousands of people versus a couple of businesses who actually get fined and then give us an ROI back so we have a return on enforcement. Um, seems to be a lot more logical, but that's nor here nor there. it is why are we giving more rights to the federal government? We're a state. We have so we are a sovereign state. So what are they do and what's the push back and what's the plan?

Well, quite frankly, that's that's a lot to digest. But I would say this that we have some folks in our legislature that uh don't want the federal government involved in any way, shape, or form. Uh I'll give you a good example. Um, you know, our joint appropriations committee turned down 50ome million dollars that was coming from the tribal health uh for our tribes to be able to get their healthcare on the reservation. That was federal money that was free. If those folks, if we hadn't decided to keep it, uh, the folks on the reservations when they went in to get their health care, they would have been sending their bills to the state. So, it was kind of a a silly move to do that. Uh, they've changed their tune on that. uh I think they understand that better as to why we need to keep it's the same with department of health. We get a lot of money from the federal on Medicaid, Medicare. There's a lot of things that we do. So, we have to kind of still stay in touch with them. We have to be able to work with them and our federal partners. And like I said, I I feel really good that we can always reach out to our senators and our representatives at the federal level and and get some some good information one way or the other. And they've always been willing to work with us. And then you've got some other people on the other side that um maybe would acquies a little bit to the federal government. I think there's a lot of us though that are somewhere in the middle that say we'll do what we can here at the state with what we have. Thank you very much. And and uh if it's federal money that is coming again to help our folks with health issues with Medicaid and so on and so forth, we we're happy to take those. So we it's kind of, you know, you got to have the balance there. You've got to kind of play a happy medium between

these folks here and these folks here. So, I don't know if that was a very good answer, but thanks. Appreciate it. Look up in Cheyenne. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Did you have a question? Thank you for answering my text, though. You've been good. Mr. Mayor, just so everybody, if you go to the Wyoming Association of Municipalities website under the advocacy tab, those bills that she mentioned and others are are on there. and correct the description of the bill, Wham's position, um, and the status of the bill is all there, so you can follow that. Excellent. Thank you. Anyone else?

Good evening, Craig Wilson. So, um, on the subject of ADUs, I'd just like to say I lived in Salt Lake in the same neighborhood for, um, over 40 years, and I saw an evolution of what looked like your regulations. The 40 some odd years ago, they um weren't quite as specific and and even today, the real estate developers have been gaming the system. So, what you in the neighborhood I just left a few years ago, this kind of like every other house has an ADU in the backyard. They're tall, they're square, they're two feet or just a couple inches under the height of the front house and they look down in the backyards. Nobody's got privacy in their backyards and they're all rental units. um they started out with this regulation you said about owner occupied and somehow they gamed it you know with a child or they lived there for a while and then they turned it into a rental unit. So I just am um hoping you look with a little more jaundist and a little more skeptical eye as to the long-term implications of what you're doing with these ADUs. It's probably not as much of an issue here yet. Um but corporations um you know are buying up houses and they're turning them into rental units and as you know it's harder and harder for the young people to buy something because they just can't buy they can't afford it. They're spending all their money renting you know they're they're renting furniture you know appliances everything. And so um just be a little bit more uh look at it from the rat side of the things.

Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, that's it for tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

Hi. Hi. I was wondering, is there anything you can do about the Hillrest? I mean, people are calling it an eyes sore and a ghetto, and people come in town and that's the first thing they see. Well, I I guess I'll ask for some. I mean, I I know they're in the process of demolishing it. I don't know exactly what do we know a time frame. We haven't seen them do much.

They they have been and and uh like I said, mayor, maybe we staff and met last July. We did that and we had come up with a plan to address what the situation was then and I think three days later it caught on fire. Yeah. And so uh that's where the our discussion and from what I'm hearing uh maybe chief it's time to reconstitute that discussion. We we rely a lot on fire safety. So we rely a lot on Mr. Overy

uh for the dangerous and abandoned building. So maybe we need to revisit that issue. We have a discussion chief. Yeah. Thank you.

Your honor, actually myself, uh city attorney and council Smith were discussing this. This is just late last week. They had press come up for discussion. Um an individual is not a large corporation. He's operated limited funds. He didn't make progress. Obviously, it's not as fast as we'd like to see it. Uh we did discuss attacking again this summer depending on where he's at, but he has established a location. He can take the take the uh waste and as far as I know, some equipment broke down to slow the process. He did locate individual do a lot of work and some that equipment broke down. I'm not sure the status is on that right now, but we have to discussing that. We are bonding it, but he is of limited funds. And the only alternative right now at this point, we've done this before, is the city's taking over these projects. They end up putting a lean against property and the amount the taxpayer take to uh tack this project a significant amount. And my concern would be a resite ability to turn into something else that lean city or property, but we have been talking about it.

Okay. Okay. It's definitely kind of a kind of a kind of a quagmire to to an extent extent. Sometimes if we get involved, city gets involved, it just kind of stretches it out sometimes. But we're aware. I mean, everybody in everybody in the community is aware. Yes, it is an isore. There's no question about that. Um it it does look to me like they've brought a little bit more of the building down. Doesn't seem like they've hauled much of it away, but they're they're slowly getting it down. So, we I hear you. We hear you. Uh we'll have some discussions and Okay. And another thing, uh I don't know if anyone has been out on Tomahawk where they're building a duplex on a corner lot.

And I thought there were supposed to be height restrictions. I mean, this this place is this much higher than any other build house in the area. And I mean, it's on a corner. How are the parking is going to be terrible there? I'm going to Mr. Jameson, can you help us there? I mean, I I doubt anything there was building without a not built without a permit. It's it's has to be approved by zoning and whatnot. Right. It does.

But I mean, the height of it is I mean, it's it's taller than any other house there. What's the location on that? What's that? It's on. It's on the corner. I don't know the exact address, but it's right down from the park. Yeah,

that was a request of my planning commission. There was a request for a an encroachment into the rear yard steps. It does the house streets side steps. And it does comply with the maximum height. It is less than 35. 35 ft doesn't seem like a whole lot, but when you see it on the ground, it's tall building.

That's three stories. And another thing, uh, two years ago, a local business man told me that Harmon's was coming in with a grocery store and it was going to be on Wars in Rock Springs 5 years ago. They told me a shoe store was coming over here and they already had a a a place for it. Where are they? We have no businesses in this town. There's no place to shop. I know a lot of people do Amazon, but I don't. Well,

and I don't enjoy going to Salt Lake and fighting all that traffic. you know, for a business to come into town, we're we are uh as open to new business as we can can possibly be. I think this council here is is open and receptive to any any business that wants to come here. The the fact of the matter is that requires a particular business or corporation to decide to come here. We we don't the city doesn't the city doesn't build businesses. The city doesn't build buildings uh and and open these businesses. we can partner in some of that on occasion and we have partnered in that effort many many many times um and and many of those have been successful. So to suggest that there are no places to shop I think is a little bit of an exaggeration

but I will say that that uh I mean I have heard nothing of a Harmons is that a grocery store is that the grocery store you're talking about like down in the Was front

if many times when when corporations or businesses approach us and come to look at us some of those things are kept a little confidential on their end of the deal just to make sure that they can move forward the way they want to without property property values increasing or pricing increasing or that kind of thing. And so it's possible it's possible that that a corporation could be looking at us that that they haven't said much yet. But I will tell you that I have heard nothing from from any Harmons. Um, but I also will tell you that historically we've had several uh several things said that of building businesses that have coming planned to come that we have turned away which is absolutely inaccurate. The the longtime myth uh has been and it it kind of applies maybe here is that um Cabela's uh was coming or planning to come and we and we turned them away. That is absolutely false. that never happened. Uh, I can show you. I could find it, I guess, or maybe somebody could find it. I read it. There's a letter from Cabela to, uh, I want to say it was Mayor Davis, if I'm wrong at the time, saying, "We we we appreciate your willingness to talk, but unfortunately, you don't meet the demographic that we are are looking for." And that is typically the case. And so quite honestly, we are we are just big enough to want some of those things, but just not quite big enough uh to get them. And so, you know, I mean, if I guess what I would say is if you hear those kinds of things, give one of us a call. If if I know something, I'll tell you. Uh but I know nothing of the of the businesses that you're talking about.

Well, and I heard too that the Hampton wanted to put in an olive garden. That'd be great. I'm all for it because they got the space up there. But yeah, but but quite honestly, that would require the Olive Garden folks being willing to

Olive Garden needs 40,000 people. Each of those businesses have their own demographics and the majority majority like Chili's, Applebees, those require about 30,000. I called when Lis came open. I called multiple multiple multiple businesses about bringing franchise into that building and every one of them said exactly that. You need you need at least 30,000 people and I said we have 6 million cars. They don't care about that. They care about what the base the base is.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Let's go. There's nothing else. Is there a motion to adjurnn? I'll make that motion. Mr. Willing, is there a second? I'll second. Second. All in favor? I. We our journey. So we have to watch