City Council - Regular Meeting

chair. Should we? Thank you. Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the May 13, 2026 city council work session. Thank you for joining us in this hybrid meeting format. For work sessions like this one, there is no opportunity for public comment. And those wishing to access the meeting can do so by watching the live stream available on our website, the broadcast on Comcast channel 21 or by calling into one of the phone numbers listed for this meeting on the city of Eugene's website and the public webcast and meetings materials page. Thank you again for joining us today and I now call the May 13, 2026 work session of the Eugene City Council. Presentation today will be divided into two separate topics to allow council discussion on each report. And I will now turn to our independent police auditor to introduce our first topic, which is a work session on the police auditor's office and then civilian review board annual reports.

I'm sorry, Greg, can we have you turn on the mic? I should have told you. Afternoon. The independent police auditor live annual report about the history in the civilian.

Oh, I'm going to try to do this a little differently than than normal. probably heard this presentation.

Audio is difficult to hear. So, um talk a little bit about the mission, staff, and purview. Okay. We'll talk about the 2025 uh results and then we're going to talk uh in particular about the ongoing and emerging start with the civilian oversight is if you want to look at mayor mayor point of information Craig apologies if I'm interrupting you I I can't hear any it's incredibly spotty um there's there's like limit But I'm only catching maybe 10 or 15% of what you're saying.

Better if I lean into the mic. Absolutely. Yes. Councelor Keading. Sorry about that.

So with the history, we go back to 2004. I would call the infancy stage is when Eugene realized that there was a need for independent police oversight. A lot of after the George Floyd incident, a lot of departments, a lot of cities woke up and only then started down that path. Um, as a result of bad past history, Eugene realized it much earlier. Uh, and that started in 2004. By 2005, we had the charter amendment and the process really started to move forward in October of 2006 when the first police auditor was hired. Uh, as in many cities, there's memorandums of understanding and agreements and legal aspects that have to be worked out. the police union and the auditor's office agreed on a set of protocols that took place and by 2007 uh and by October of 2007 the council established a civilian review board. Now I'm not going to step on the toes of my counterpart here who's going to present the civilian review board but that is yet another whole aspect of police oversight in the city of Eugene. So we have just to give the the bigger picture that I wanted to share with the community is we have a police auditor's office, we have a police commission, we have a civilian uh review board, um and then we have internal affairs from the police department. So we have a lot of different things looking at the police department and the independent police auditors is just one part of those things. By November 2008, a drastic change took place and that was previously the council was authorized to have a civilian oversight setup to have police oversight. That wording changed to the word shall. Uh as the lawyers in the room will tell you and lawyers watching online, there's a big difference between authorized to and shall. So shall made it mandatory. Um,

since then we've had a number of other ordinances and I'm going to skip ahead to the revisions and so this to talk about what I think are the three most important things for the council to be aware of and for the public. The first is the fact that the police auditor's office has independence and what that plays out in my mind and I think in the public's mind should be that we don't answer to the police chief. If you think about the idea of having like an let's say you work for the police department and the chief says I want this and that and you don't do it your job's on the line. No one in in this office in the independent police auditor's office works for the police department. The police chief can't tell us what to do. The police chief can't say oh I'd like you to do this or I'm ordering you to do this. That doesn't apply because of the independence. So that is something that is incredibly important to recognize. We're not facilitated in the we're not located in the police department. Our budget is not part of the police budget. So these sorts of independence are really critical pillars to the structure of independent police oversight in Eugene. The next important step is even if you're independent, that doesn't mean you're going to have access. And when I talked earlier about the stages, a lot of police oversight historically when it's in that infancy stage, there's a battle over getting access to records. Uh the police department and police union might say, "No, you can't have this." So great, you have oversight, but they don't have anything to exercise that oversight with. Well, that kind of defeats the purpose. Well, I can tell you that in 2025, um, and I'll even update it even now, I have not ever asked for any documentation or any materials from the police department and been told, "No, you can't have it." So, we've definitely moved beyond that adolescent phase phase to I think a more mature system where if

we want it, we can have it. And that's critical. We can have access to all the records that they have access to essentially have not been told no. which means when we do an investigation, I'm not guessing. I'm not rushing off to court and asking for court orders. I'm not begging, you know, for the documentation. And I think that's critical. So the independence is critical, but so is the access. And last is the funding. And we see it on the national level where, oh, we don't like this, so we won't fund this or we don't want this, and we'll withhold funds. Well, funding has not been an issue. And I think that's critical because if you don't have the funding, you can't do the work. So those are to me what are the three pillars that really hold up the structure. Um and in 2025 I wanted to give an update to those. And I think we we're maintaining our independence. We're maintaining access and the funding is there. I want to also take a moment right now to thank the staff and talk a little bit about the purview. 2025 was a year of tremendous change within the auditor's office. We had two interim auditors. Um Leia was our previous auditor, left in 2024. We had Lindseay Folultz and Mark Gizner came in and stepped in to hold down the fort until I started in August. So I only had the last four months. But I need to basically take my hat off and thank Lindsay and Mark for what they had set up. And quite quite frankly, the previous auditors before them had set up a system that was quite functional and quite working incredibly well. So I didn't have to reinvent the wheel when I arrived. Um Lindsay did an amazing job upon my arrival and handed basically I mean I was able to hit the ground running on day one. So I want to definitely thank them for their work. Lindsay has resumed her role as an associate police auditor and she was assisted throughout 2025

um with Rob Eller as well. We have a amazing senior program coordinator, Amanda Cordova. Amanda is the front line that most people come into contact if they call the auditor's office. And as anybody that's ever worked a frontline job knows that is not an easy position. Uh and then we have Beatatric Otto Hernandez who has gone above and beyond in reaching out to the community. Uh she has bilingual skills that have proven to be essential to our work and has benefited the community as a whole. So I could not ask for more from my amazing team. So the office does a number of things. We do commendations. It's always nice to hear good things and we do get phone calls or people call our office to say, "Yeah, I had a great experience." We handle those. The vast majority of our work are complaint intake and classifications. We also monitor investigations that internal affairs is conducting on behalf of the police department. And lastly, we make recommended adjudications. So, we'll talk a little bit more about what an adjudication is down the line. We also review all uses of force. A lot of the public may not be aware of that. I'm sure the council is aware of that. But anytime there's a use of force on the police department, we review it. Doesn't take a request. It doesn't take a complaint. It's just done. We also review pursuits. So if there's and and we'll talk about the numbers, but there was only a few last year. It's gone down dramatically, but all of those will be reviewed independently of the police department. We'll take a look at those. One of the other things we do is recommend changes to policy and training. Based on our observations in 2025, are there things that we would recommend that the police department do? A recommended change in policy, for example, can have a huge impact. The number of pursuits was much higher in previous years. There were some policy changes and it dropped. So, this is

something where the independent police auditor can actually play a role by looking at policy and see if some changes could be recommended. We can't force changes in policy, but we can certainly recommend those. We also look at trends and we also look at the community outreach. We're spending a lot of time under Beatatric's leadership going out into the community, making sure the community knows we're here. And lastly, you'll hear a little bit about our support to the civilian review board. So, how does the complaint get started? First is what we call the intake process. Then, we have a preliminary investigation. The case is classified. It's routed. There's an investigation and adjudication. I want to talk initially about the intake process because that is the reason I'm going to a little bit different level than we normally would present to council. It's important that the members of the community understand that they can contact the police auditor's office. It's independent and they can do it anonymously if they want. They can do it in person. They can do an email. They can make a phone call. But we are the great intake point and they don't have to call the police department to file a complaint. And for a lot of people that it could be the the big difference whether they're willing to come forward. When we get the cases we do a preliminary investigation which may mean we get uh we request police reports, we request uh dispatch. We look at all the different lines of all the records that could help us make a proper classification decision. I'm going to talk a little bit more about the classification and the the rest of it down the line as we go through the process. So, I want to go back to talk just about the intake. And I'm sure some council members going, "Oh, this stands out. There's was 412. Is that a bad thing?" Not necessarily. Anyone that knows statistics? Um can explain that it the more people know about you, the more they're going to utilize your service. May sound strange. One of my goals is to increase that number. Not like I want to see more misconduct, but I want the more

feedback and material and information from the public. If the more we get word out about the office, I would expect those numbers to go up, but we typically get between three and 400 complaints a year. So, the preliminary review, like I've indicated, these are some of the things that we get. uh 911 recordings for example we'll get body warn video computer aided dispatch records and these are the sorts of things that like I say I've never asked for and been told no one of the other things that we do um a lot of people just from where current events right we will find stuff that's outside we'll see things on social media we'll try to grab those sometimes material will be actually submitted person will take their own everyone's got a cell phone camera nowadays right we'll get those we'll say if you have a video send it to So we gather as much information as we can to conduct that preliminary review. Once it's done, we have a series of classifications. More details about what those are on our website, but the uh most serious are the ones on the bottom. So I want to highlight those. If we see criminal misconduct, we can bring we'll we'll classify it as an allegation. And then of course the complaint will go through the criminal justice system. If there's charges to be brought, the district attorney's office can bring charges because ours is an administrative process that will basically be sidelined until the criminal process is completed. Uh, a lot of what our most serious ones that we move forward on are allegations of misconduct. That means we've reviewed the police policy manual and we have found that one of the policies or the procedures that are set out have been violated. This we will bring a formal allegation and there will be an administrative process in which the officers afforded a due process hearing and in the end the police chief will make a determination whether there is or is not misconduct and of course if the

officer disagrees then it can go to an arbitration process. Uh the lesser ones might be yes, there's a complaint, it wouldn't necessarily lead to discipline. The officer was rude to me. You know, if there's a lot of those, of course, it could be result in discipline. But again, those are the the less serious ones um when you compare them to criminal conduct, obviously. So, in 2025, this is the numbers of classification. Uh again, jumping down to the most serious, which would be criminal misconduct. Five cases were classified by our office that way. We also brought 25 allegations of misconduct that were classified in that case. Um, and there were 179 service complaints. And an example just so everyone can be clear of a service complaint might be the officer didn't respond. We I called the police department and said there was a trespasser and it took too long to respond. that might fall into a service complaint category versus a me allegation of misconduct where it could be uh the office officer used excessive force that could potentially fall into that big range. So in 2025 we had 25 complaints and in each complaint you may have multiple allegations of misconduct. So that's that should explain that number. So there were 25 complaints and they resulted in 43 allegations of misconduct. Technically speaking, I could have one complaint and 15, 20, 30 allegations if I found different things. So that's how come that number is higher. Uh it involved a total of 21 employees in 2025. What happened to those? What are the dispositions? This chart explains that 11 were sustained. Um 10 were dismissed. We had seven that we found to be within policy. forward and found it and one actually resigned during the course of the investigation. Now let me just add

to the disposition just because we bring an allegation does not mean when we bring an allegation we are able to interview the officer. So sometimes we will gain information during the process that might change the way we view the case. Uh you can't simply bring a service complaint. We can't pull the officer into our office and say why did you do this? Why did you do that? that's just not authorized under the protocols. But once an allegation, then the officer can be basically compelled to an interview. And of course, an interview often leads to additional information. One of the things that I want to highlight is during the discipline phase. So the first fa phase is the allegations. The second phase is the discipline. We've now looked at it and we have found or the chief has found that the allegations are true. Only then does the discipline phase begin. The auditor's office does not make discipline recommendations. And we don't have the ability to say this case should be a 30-day suspension. This case should be a oral reprimand. The discipline is solely with the chief of police. Um, and we did say here that the chief has final disciplinary authority. That is correct within the department. But again, as I've already pointed out, due process allows the officer to ask for a arbitration to review that as well. So there is a method that that moves forward. What we can do is report on disciplinary trends that we're seeing and my next slide actually addresses that specifically. So in 2025, this was where the discipline came out. Uh documented counseling is is the the minimum. It's really not even considered to be discipline in the sense that uh when you compare it to obviously the termination is discipline. Sometimes an employee resigned but we'll see that a lot of the discipline has been falling

onto the documented counseling. That's where the indication of it is made. Um the other one that I think people are confused is when we say removal from team. Let me elaborate on that one because I'm anticipating there'd be a question on that. EPD, for example, at your last council meeting, you had an honor guard. That is a team assignment. You have the SWAT team, okay? Have these sorts of special assignments that officers can be assigned to. If the chief so sees fit, they can be removed from those positions as part of the discipline. So, let's say you were on a team that handled the teaching of emergency vehicle operation and you did a poor job yourself doing it, then I would expect the chief would turn around and say, "Yeah, we don't want you on that team." So, that is listed as something that that could happen. Uh, and of course, that's only for the sustained allegations. And at the question period, if there's others you want me to address, I will. So, I've already highlighted this, so I'm going to go through this fairly quickly. We review every use of force and if we see something in a use of force that we believe is inappropriate, we can actually bring allegations and move the case forward. Okay. Other big distinction is if the police department uses deadly force. These are called critical incidents and I can tell you from my experience in 2025 as is required we were notified. Our office is notified to respond out to those. However, there is something called inter agency deadly force investigation team which the district attorney eventually reviews and decides whether to bring criminal charges. So let's take a hypothetical officer goes out shoots somebody it was not justified. The district attorney wants to bring criminal charges. Again we take a secondary role in those because the criminal process would take priority over the administrative process. Once

the criminal case is done, again, the criminal standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. An administrative one is much lower. So, it's it's very possible that the district attorney's office could say no criminal charges and we could still move forward to take administrative action. But that stuff all takes place after that process is done. Um, so what are people complaining about? What are the trends? the that we had three major things that that I saw in the 2025 statistics and a lot of these are going to be detailed in your reports, but the first was untimely patrol response. This is in essence the police department trying to get done with what they have. Uh and it to use the medical term they're trying to triage. So we might get a phone call from someone that says I had a trespasser in front of my house and it took the police a really long time to respond. We may look at it and go, "Oh, well, they were responding to an armed suspect with a gun at the time and they didn't get a chance to respond to yours two or three hours later." This is stuff that the public would not necessarily know, but we have access to to make determinations. But the we did get a lot of complaints about untimely patrol response. Second one that I know is not a surprise to councils, we received a number of complaints about the flock system. Lastly, we received a number of complaints about federal immigration activities. So, those were the three big areas that we saw in 2025. Vehicle pursuits, as I briefly alluded to, um you can see that if you go back in time, there were peaks of 21 and 18. Uh last year, or 2024, they were down to eight. 2025, they're down to seven. So, we're seeing these where we'd like to see them. Vehicle pursuits are not frequent, but they're incredibly high risk for all involved, the police, the person they're pursuing, and the community at large. So, uh, that number

has trended down to seven. Uh, we'll see where we go in 2026. I I spoke a little bit about the amazing job that Beatatric does with community outreach. This is some of the steps that we do. Uh, one of the things when I was hired, I was asked and I emphasized I wanted to do was to get out in the community and with Beatatric help, we have been doing so in the past and we are doing so in the future. Anybody that's watching this that would like us to come out and talk to them about the process and what we do, we're we're welcome to invite those invitations. So, we definitely have been doing all of those sorts of things, the different now it's the it's the nice season out. we can actually go to community events and enjoy some of the activities that take place in the at the parks and stuff and we'll be able at those sorts of things. So, and that's just some outstanding work on their part, but I think it's a very important part of the office. Uh, let me give a sneak preview to what I see for your 2026 report. This is the coming attractions part when you sit down in the movie theater and we say, "Well, they start the movie already and we're giving it to you now." Um, we're going to have two new associate auditors that are going to be filling the positions of the current auditors. We are going to try to continue to improve core functions. Uh, try to find ways that we can get cases in, review them, and communicate better and timely to the people that are complaining. We're going to try to continue our community robust engagement and get out there and talk to people. And we're going to continue to do trainings and basically ensure that we're implementing what our best practice is. There's a national association that deals with police oversight that we all participate in. We'll be going to their trainings just so that we can make sure we are on the front wave of any changes. That I will open it up to questions.

Thank you, Auditor Renitzki. Uh we'll now open the floor for council discussion. Councelor Evans first.

Let me let me go back to my notes real quick. So, um going back to slide going back to slide 21. Uh Craig, um that third bullet, complaints related to federal immigration activities is I know that you don't have perview to engage and process those types of complaints uh in terms of followup and those kinds of things. Who do you turn those complaints over to? Do you turn them over to the FBI, Department of Homeland Security? who follows up on those uh specific complaints with regard to uh federal agencies or other agencies. It could be a state agency or it could be uh a different local agency that has responded that does not have the same system in place that we do here. I'm glad I I wanted to mention that and it's an outstanding question because one of the limitations of our office is just that we have no authority to review the misconduct of any officer other than Eugene police and our our authority with Eugene police includes non-sworn personnel too. We can look at dispatchers and all those things. If you know uh any town, USA has an officer that comes in. I hope there's no any town in Oregon. So, I'm just picking any town is in Eugene and their officer does something egregious, for example. We can't do anything about it. All we can do is say, "Hey, any town, you need to take care of this, but that's it." Uh there was a lot of frustration and I think that was probably a good chunk of the complaints that we got related to

the federal immigration was actions on behalf of federal law enforcement or federal authorities. Uh and we have absolutely no control. For example, when we wanted to review videos, we have to do a public records request like anybody else to get those records. So it's it's a difficult it's a frustrating thing where we are our hands are tied. Whenever possible if we can identify who the correct contact is we'll refer them to that in our closing letter. So for example if someone wants to complain about any town USA we would potentially in that closing letter say please contact the any town police department at such and such number and such and such address. But that's kind of unfortunately where it has to end. uh police oversight just you have the big picture in Oregon is to some extent Portland and Eugene. Uh and in line with with with what you just articulated, uh Craig, um if there are um complaints lodged about police activity in relation to um either working with uh ICE or working with the feds versus um complaints about EPD not collaborating or participating with other agencies that by state statute we are not allowed to engage or share information with. So good example is for the guidance on the sanctuary promise law. I've relied predominantly on the attorney general's guidance. They provided some guidance as to what local police can and cannot do. Uh, for

example, can they turn someone over? Can they escort them to the front door of a residence and use force to pull somebody out? Clearly not. But the guidance that we've received from the attorney general's office is they are allowed to essentially do what they would do for any other civilian. So if there's a civilian that's for example that um is let's say uh a person's being assaulted. Would the police department intervene in that? Absolutely. Is the police department allowed to go up and go, "Oh, wait. You work with the federal government. Hey, just keep assaulting. We're going to leave." The answer is no. So there are things that can and cannot be intervened. So, a lot of those complaints were people asking for us to bring allegations of misconduct because, for example, they talked to a uh person that works for the federal government or ICE. Well, that's legal activity. They, you know, they're allowed to say hi just like anybody else could. Would that rise to the level that I can bring an allegation? No. But if they were, hey, here's where somebody is living, that would certainly rise to a level of an allegation. That address your question.

Councelor Evans, can you turn on your mic?

Yeah. uh a lot of people in in the public do not understand the nuances in this particular relationship and I don't know who it's upon either is it upon EPD or the federal agency that EPD is um having to tiptoe around or disengage from or engage with. Um, is it their responsibility to communicate this set of rules and protocols out to the public? Because I think it's important for the public to know, you know, why EPD will do one thing and maybe not another thing.

Sure. There there's been also and and a lot of confusion between what and who is federal and who's EPD. The CRB had a presentation and and I'll maybe let you address that if you have time where we actually brought in to show different vehicles and different uniforms. I don't think we're going to get cooperation from the feds to say, "Hey, this is what we're doing. That's as best as I can project. But as far as EPD, I know the police department tried to do similar information is trying to push out where they are. My office when we can communicate, we try to do that. It's just an uphill battle. I know the city also was trying to at some point get that word out. It's a difficult thing. It's people I think people on both sides have different expectations and my office has to be guided by the law and that's the difficult part. We have a very fine line to walk but what can and cannot happen. Um, I can say in 2025 I did not see anything where they were clearly crossing the line doing things that they should not have been doing as far as turning people over to ICE. Uh, anything like that. Uh, I've seen some where there was like mistaken identity, those sorts of things. So, we're we're trying to minimize as much of that as we can so that people have clarity, but that's a difficult battle. Councelor Zelena

presentation. Craig, thank you. I think it was important to go through all that history and and and structure that most people don't understand uh because it has been around quite a while. It's it actually predates me on the council and I'm been around a while. Um my question drilling down into the trends and relating it back to trying to quantify it a bit more on slide 12 the numbers jumped pretty significantly from 24 to 25 320 up to 412 it's an increase of 92 almost 30% almost a third increase. Um and on slide 21 you said most of them are flock and ICE uh related. Um can you can you help quantify that? how much is related to flock and ice and and you also said that the someone calls in complains about an ICE official um that's not in the 412. So if we get a complaint, it could fall into the 412. We try to consolidate the complaints. So, for example, if there was a protest on January 1st and we got 20 complaints about it, we're not going to count that as 20. We're going to lump those in as one uh one incident that we're going to look at.

But what we did see is when I say this is we got multiple complaints over different times about both flock and immigration. So that boosted the number a little bit, but that's not I think the more important number is when we start to look at the number of allegations made because some of that number can be skewed I think by just some of its current events. Not a whole ton but some. But just also the outreach if more people know about us. Uh just to give an example over the last few days we've saw a spike in complaints about different things because the awareness of our office is out there. So I think as more people know what the auditor's office is, know about its independence, I would expect those numbers to continue to rise perhaps in 2026 and just moving forward. So I think it's a good thing. I think it's easy to say, oh, the police are misbehaving more. I don't know that that necessarily correlates. That's very difficult to to quant quantify at this point.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I agree with you. Until we get rid of the Trump administration, these numbers are going to go up. uh because they don't seem to be getting the message about how inappropriate what they're doing is in our communities, how disruptive they are. Um, one of following up on what councelor Evans was talking about, there is a lot of confusion about what the sanctuary law says and what we're what the city and the police department is allowed to do and not do. Um, a lot of people think that that means no contact absolutely at all. No answering or asking questions of of federal officials. Can you speak a little bit more to that and clarify uh for the listening public and future people look at this that what it is more specifically about what it is and what we what it is we cannot do and what it is that's permissible. I'm wondering if there's a the city has maybe assistant city manager city attorney's office work with Craig to create a two-pager about this that's something we can put out or we can have point to people and say look I understand what you're saying but this is the attorney general said this is okay and we don't get to determine that because the attorney general said this so I know you might think differently but this is the this is the way the law is being interpreted so maybe you could talk a little bit educate more.

I think that's an outstanding idea. I can get some of the guidance that I've seen from the state as to how that law is defined and maybe we can share it on the city website. But there yeah, there are limitations as to what they can do that and quite honestly EPD does work with the federal government on all sorts of issues. Child trafficking, for example, is one that I know EPD has shared regularly. I don't think anyone in the city is telling or wants the police department to say, "Hey, just don't ever talk to the feds because nobody wants child molesters running around the street." And that's something they work on. Uh narcotics, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that crosses state lines and Eugene is not immune from those and they have to work. Uh there's some things that are just very clear. Uh for example, the Lane County Sheriff can't simply go so and so is getting out. They're not here with documentation and they're going to going to let him out at 1:00. that that would be a clear violation. So, there are definitely limitations, but as far as if an federal agent calls saying, "I'm in fear because I'm being chased and someone's threatening me," EPD is expected to do their public safety function and take a report. Uh, on the other hand, if EPD was to get a phone call saying, "We are going to arrest somebody here that's lacking documentation at 2:00. would you close the streets and can we borrow your SWAT team to make entry? The answer is clearly not allowed. So, you know, it it's not a black and white rule as they say that I can go this is the fine line. It's up in the air for where uh interpretation is uh and this is where my hands are tied. I just have to follow the law. I can tell you right now if I was the auditor looking at some of the immigration actions, I'd be very busy. But that it's not out it's outside our jurisdiction. So we're all guided by the rules and the sanctuary law does not cover every situation. It doesn't make it clear. But we we are going off the

guidance and I I'll work with the city manager's office to get them those memos.

You and u auditor renetski maybe I can just share we do have information on our website. So the office of equity and community engagement a number of resources that are around Oregon sanctuary law and city of Eugene protections that includes references on how to identify Eugene police officer rules governing how local agencies can interact with federal agencies. and includes um references to the police off auditor's office for police oversight as well as the state attorney general's reporting portal for federal actions and office of professional responsibility which I think what we've been working on is how we kind of interconnect this information so it's easier to access from all the websites that people might Yeah, it it might exist, but our website's very dense and it's often very very difficult to find stuff. Um maybe there's a way to get that what I'm talking about is simplifying this. So that's something that somebody can hand out and maybe have it on the police auditor's website as well. Um just in my last a good example, I'm on the public safety coordinating council. I was talking to the sheriff and they the ICE guys just drove up, pulled in front of a a person's car, dragged him out of their car, left the car in the lane, and took off with this person and basically kidnapped them. And uh and and the cops rolled up, the sheriff's office, and said, "What the hell is going on?" Um and there's things like that that are just really difficult. I'm just worried about the incidents where you're talking about where people calls and say, "I'm being kidnapped and there's no identification. Nobody knows what's going on and and it ends in tragedy." That's what I worry about. I think we all know it's not a great situation and some of it's just being

thrust on the city and and the police department and there things unfortunately beyond I think the city's control as to what we can and cannot. Councelor Kosinsky,

thank you and thank you for the presentation and all the the work that you've been doing and uh I feel like throughout the past year since I've been on council, I've gotten we've gotten very clear and timely communications from the auditor's office which I really have um my question when we're looking at uh the dispositions um we're seeing like you know 10 were dismissed which was one of the more common uh dispositions. What are some of the reasons why uh it would have been dismissed?

There they could be any number of of factors. Like I say, when I I view this in a sense like the criminal justice system, there's a to my students. I explain it as a funnel. You may have a thousand police contacts to start those. Maybe 2,000 will result in arrest and as you down the process, maybe 500 will go to jury trial and then 20 will get to sentencing. It it kind of funnels down. So I think what we're seeing there potentially is as the investigation goes on, maybe we realize that we shouldn't have brought an allegation or maybe information I think one of them came up that we said, you know, let's take another look at it. So it's hard to tell. I can pull up specifics if I if I dive into But I don't have those in front of me. But that's just like I said, that's just normal for a system. If if everything that came in resulted uh in a dismissal or everything that came in resulted uh in a sustained allegation, then the system's really probably not fair, quite frankly, pride. And so like the the ones where it's uh actually they were complaining about a Springfield police officer or sheriff, deputy sheriff, those would not be, you know, the ones that are are set aside because they're outside the jurisdiction or

those would hopefully be weeded out in the preliminary investigation. Okay. So as soon as a complaint comes in, one of the things that we do is we request documentation. So we might say, "Well, was an EPD officer there? Get us the locations. get his body worn if it's a social media thing like there was with one of the ICE complaints was that oh kidnapped somebody and I looked at the video and it was an EPD. So if we can eliminate those right away we'll do so. So it won't even go any further down that funnel so to speak. Okay. Thank you

councelor K. Thank you. Um, most of my questions were already answered by my colleagues. Thank you so much. Um, but I had a couple more. So, my first one is, um, looking ahead, I I appreciate you and like what you're thinking about the future, and I'm wondering, maybe it's too soon, but are there, um, new trends in the industry that you're that specifically that investigating that you'd be able to share?

It's a little early. I do have just some things that I've heard that potentially could concern me down the line. Um, for example, what happens, and no one in EPD has even suggested this, but I've seen it in other places talking about it. What if I was to say, "Write me a police report for a robbery." And AI writes a police report. Well, do we need to have proactively should we start thinking about that sort of advanced technology? And how do we stop it if we don't want it to go that route? So uh the is there is a conference that we'll be going to and and will be some of those sorts of discussions. I expect I did already attend a quick webinar on it where we talked about about that. So I see those sorts of things to be important to keep on the radar as things evolve.

Thanks. Uh my other question is about so I know like you already mentioned um your department does trends and for the most part the trends are kind of um related to specific incidences and we take those wondering how your office looks at things that are a little less a little more nebulous like culture types of things that we've been talking about recently and how is there a way that your office can be involved in kind of tracking how what we're doing and these more

I think we're going to start I mean those are generated by a complaint for example so if we start to see a lot of complaints that sets up a red flag so to speak so I would think like culture is something we're going to look at of course that would that all predated the 2025 or post-dated the 2025 report but absolutely these are the sorts of things that if we hear from the public we hear from the council we hear from anybody uh we'll look at so it's We don't set a specific unflexible agenda with those sorts of things. As things come up, we want to look at them.

Um would you guys also be able to look at things that are more internal? Like I know we've had conversations at police commission about um you know gender and how different people of different gender might be treated differently within the organization. Is that something you would also be able to to kind of wrap into that looking at trends in that area? I don't see why we couldn't. Yeah, we always like things with the police commission. If they have a concern that they'd like us to address, this is something we'd like to hear. That's why I think there we should probably point out there is a liaison from the CRB that sits on the police commission to bring those sorts of things to us as well.

Yeah. And just since you brought it up, I will say that the commission gets um a lot of value out of having that person um on the board and um being able to share information back and forth. And so it's really have that person at the table. Councelor Groves.

Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Craig. Uh I think you're doing a wonderful job. I appreciate the the details that you've built into the system and experience that you have brought to the the seed. It really shows. I also want to commend you. Uh within about 5 minutes literally of learning of the recent incident with EPD, I had a phone call from you and that was greatly appreciated. And I think keeping keeping us informed, it really helps because we always get of course hit with questions from the public and I always hate saying I don't know what you're talking about. So thank you for that. Um, I also want to talk just a little bit about interactions with our federal law enforcement and our regulatory agencies. I think ICE is absolutely the outlier. Uh, I think they've changed the whole composition of the relationships we have, but I know from experience that the relationships we have with our federal partners has been incredibly important. Uh there was a period of time in my career where we were fire was rolling on meth labs in all of Lane County and parts of Duts, parts of Douglas, parts of Clamoth County and we were doing that almost weekly and it really helped to be on a firstname basis with our uh counterparts in BATF and uh those are very dangerous operations and to be able to have that trust and know when you see somebody that they're going to listen to what you're saying. big thing was to always start the investigation if a cooking process was active and there's ether in there and you don't want to do that. They blow up um frequently. So anyway, I just wanted to emphasize the importance of that. Also, as far as finding information about the city or things we work on, I mean, I get questions all the times I don't know exactly the answer, but I have yet to not find the answer by doing an internet search. And the

internet search frequently takes us to our city website that has all the information, robust information, but it takes you right to the document you need and then I share that with the constituent. So the information is pretty much there. uh even if it starts with just AI telling you what it is, if you go scroll down, there's also links that take you to um the law OS, OAR, um federal statute and the C CFRs. Uh it's it's all pretty much there. So, anybody listening, that's a really good place to start. Um you know it's it's a lot of resource out there and the internet has helped that quite a bit. Um you know as we go forward with this process uh I I think it's going to be well I'm running out of time. I can ask you personally later. Thank you

councelor Keading. Thank you, Mayor, and um thank you, Auditor Ransky, uh for for the the presentation and for uh the attention to detail and work that you and your your team have have have have done s in uh since your time in office, but also in this last few days have been rather high-profile and high stress. And I thank you for your professionalism, your transparency, and your commitment to accountability. Um, just because things are happening outside our jurisdiction, uh, they might be happening within our city's physical boundaries, uh, continues to give me pause as I've heard give colleagues and clearly the community pause. According to track uh, immigration, TRAC immigration, it's an organization uh, that uses public records, public data or public records to compile data on immigration enforcement actions. As of November 2025, 73.6% of people held by ICE detention held in ICE detention had no prior criminal conviction. Okay. So my question is what oversight or investigatory authority even though it's not outlined by by co by by by code would be different if you were to investigate an EPD officer for wrongdoings versus investigating someone outside of our jurisdiction. Wouldn't the same foyer uh request information uh a request for information uh the same tactics be used if something is happening inside our city's boundaries and and maybe there's a supremacy clause piece there that that um that is is hamstringing or or tying your hands.

But what if there's a neighboring agency? I'm not going to single one out, but what if what if a neighboring agency comes into our community and is either collaborating with another with a federal agency and this neighboring state agency or or or or municipal agency engages in wrongdoing, wouldn't we have a a duty and an obligation to investigate the same way we would investigate our own in in Eugene?

There's a number of different issues. One is is the supremacy clause as you mentioned. So, let me give a quick example of that and I'll use the federal one. There was a case in Oregon where an officer, federal officer ran a stop sign and killed somebody. The district attorney's office brought charges against that officer. The federal government stepped in and said, "Hey, supremacy clause. We're removing this case to federal court." They did so and dismissed it. So, you have that part that that's one whole issue. The second issue is I can get and I've never been told no again unredacted bodywn video. I could send out requests to the feds and what I'm going to get back is probably a bunch of redacted information that's worthless. So it it becomes very difficult in that sense. Um if I want to bring charges, we're going to go back to that supremacy clause issue. Let's say I don't it's not that level, but I want to bring disciplinary charges. I've got absolutely no authority. I could do like any member of the public and I could send a letter and the feds could go nothing I can do about it. And that applies to local departments as well. When you talk about police oversight, you're limited to what you have jurisdiction and control over. So it doesn't matter that it occurred in Eugene. In the end, I have no control what that city's what that person's employer is going to do. With EPD, we can bring charges or allegations. The chief can fire them, but you pick any other city does something in Eugene and it's well, hey, it's up to them. And kind of takes all the power of oversight away in those situations.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. Um, Auditor uh Renitki, we saw in this la these last several days um essentially by accident some unsavory, unacceptable behavior. What tools might exist to uncover any other potential unsavory, unacceptable u perspectives that might be shared in the shadows? AI um you know what what can your office do to ensure the public that there aren't any other actors like the actor the former police the former EPD officer that that we all witnessed over the weekend.

I think the most important part of that is to bring it to our attention. Uh what a lot of people don't understand, it's one of the reasons I emphasized it today is we can bring our own allegations. And if somebody forward, if I had gotten that video and someone said, "Hey, look at this thing. I'm going to look at it." Uh if someone's The problem when you deal with bias and stuff is it's not always obvious. One, most people aren't going to get caught on camera what we saw in that particular instance. But if those things are brought to our attention, we can actually take action on it. The big difference too is we can take action and not have to wait for anyone else to do it. So if if in this particular case if I someone said, "Hey, look at this." I could have done so. So I'm hoping if there's anybody out there that has similar experiences, I want to know about it. Um that's that's the beginning process. You can't deal with what you don't know. That's kind of why I think we're emphasizing today in our presentation how important that that communication is. And it can come to us and not go to the police cuz it's always awkward to go to the, you know, person that's doing it and saying, "Hey, this is what's going on." I don't answer to the chief. That that's a big difference.

Thank you, Mayor. I have a followup, so I'm have to request a second round, please. Thank you, Councelor Keing. I will note we do also want to move to our second agenda uh item with CRB. Um so councelor Keing, please go right ahead. I'll offer a few comments and then we'll move to CRB.

Thank you. Um Auditor Reeski, you you mentioned the public should reach out to you. You want to know, but we have um as I brought up on Monday some pretty arbitrary timelines, a 60-day window or a six-month uh as I understand it for any special circumstances. Um, and you committed in public on Monday to being open to other to expanding that uh cuz this particular incident is triggering and has brought uh resurfaced uh issues that have cropped up years ago. What what can this body do to help you do your job without those time those kind of arbitrary uh time constraints? And and as the city attorney said during that meeting, that's part of the ordinance that that's out there. We don't that's something that the city council would have to change. Uh again, my position is we're going to follow the law. So if you were to say it's 1 hour, then it'd be 1 hour. If you were to say it was one year, it would be one year. So I hate to kick it back to you, but it's really up to the council to to set those limits, and whatever they set, we will abide by.

Thank you. Well, I I look forward to setting the the broadest uh limitations to allow for you to uh to serve the public in in the greatest capacity. Thank you.

Thank you. Um we'll move to C CRB in just one moment. I want to be sure to say a couple of things. one um Auditor Ransky, you've been incredibly accessible to me and appreciate the work of your office and uh very uh serious and also collaborative approach that you take to this work and responsibility that we as elected officials carry uh relative to effectiveness and professionalism of your work. And so I just want to take a moment to appreciate that and also appreciate the work of the attorney general's office and the accessibility of Attorney General Rayfield and uh that existence of that portal for complaints related to the federal government specific to excessive uses of force but really quite broadly. Um and that is something a resource that they have made uh very accessible to the public in in light of what we have seen and the need to actually collect information um to see if there's a time in the future when uh there is a more receptive audience that is interested uh in people's rights being violated. I also want to just offer a broad observation that I I am I'm am very interested in the work that we can do and this is not a a complaint driven uh opportunity or interest but it I think is incredibly important work in our community and for our department and that has to do with uh the culture of inclusion and specifically um the advancement of women in leadership and I I just want to highlight that especially because there have been some specific uh anecdotal uh pieces of information shared to us um that would highlight that opportunity and the necessity that we look seriously at at what um what we can do to encourage uh a broader and more inclusive culture within our within our own city. Um and I think that that supports the success of everyone's work.

It supports the success of our work in our community. And uh I just wanted to be sure to express to you that I'm I have a lot of interest uh and continued interest in in that opportunity. We're now going to move to our second component and we are uh about 8 minutes uh behind schedule. Uh but this is an update from the civilian review board on the annual report. Elise, please.

Mayor. Um hello mayor, counselors, members of staff. My name is Elise Josephson. I am the chair elect of the civilian review board here. I'll start off by saying I am here I'm an attorney on the outside. My employer has been mentioned today, but I'm here only in my personal capacity, not on behalf of my employer. Uh I'm pitch hitting today for our chair, Jose, who had some uh family matters to attend to. Uh and I'll be as fast as I can to try to make up some time. So the civilian review board as you know is the public's opportunity to provide transparency to uh police oversight here in the city of Eugene. Uh we help to ensure and sometimes restore public confidence in the complaint process and help the public know that they are being listened to and they are being heard. Uh and we evaluate the auditor's work and provide community input on how complaints are handled, intake policy that is coming up that maybe needs changed as well as whether or not the auditors classifications and adjudications are uh landing well with us as community members while also remaining unbiased and impartial. In that work, we review closed and adjudicated investigations and complaints against sworn officers. Uh, and I'm going to try to talk to some questions that I heard in the previous uh, round with the auditor. uh there was some discussion about trends and I think one of the emerging trends that um I'm seeing from the CRB side is a mix of sworn and unsworn officers uh who or unsworn personnel who are uh receiving complaints and for the auditor's office that's no problem because the auditor has jurisdiction over both sworn and unsworn personnel but the CRB only has jurisdiction to review complaints

against sworn personnel and so this raises is a complaint. As the city of Eugene, the EPD begins to employ non-sworn personnel in more public-f facing roles that may generate complaints. How do we as the CRB work through a complaint that has partially sworn aspects and partially unsworn aspects? We also share a member with the police commission as you heard. uh that is a invaluable tool to pass the feedback that we do when we do these case reviews about where policy is falling short, where we are seeing new emerging trends or continuing trends that need improvement. Uh and we do this report annually to council as well. We also have a process for community impact cases. Um I'm not going to speak to it too much to try to make up some time. Community impact cases are cases of excessive force, bias, and it is a way for us to for the CRB to change the process that we would ordinarily go through to investigate a complaint. And there are other tools that we get access to in terms of requiring EPD to reopen investigations and providing public input earlier in the process so that we aren't getting it at the very end following adjudication. Here are the members of the commission. You see, we've had some turnover in this year. Uh we are expecting uh continued turnover. One of the things that I am thinking about uh very deeply is about how we make sure now as members turn over and as staff turns over that we continue to have that institutional knowledge to continue the good work that's been going on in Eugene for quite some time.

This is a discussion of how we actually do that case review. So selection of cases for review occurs with the chair and vice chair along with the auditor uh reviewing cases to a um evaluating obviously we get lots of cases. We can't review them all, but evaluating them for special interest items like uses of force um or bias and then uh whether or not we have enough information to do a full case review and then actually going through the review process, the auditor's office provides to all of the members of the CRB unredacted files that are exactly what you would see in the IIA file, which is a unique opport opportunity for the public to see behind the curtain. You know, it's a way where we talk about public records requests. We talk about what the public would ordinarily have access to. This is a high degree of accountability and transparency that ordinarily the public wouldn't get. And then we have public meetings with uh public comment and making sure that we are engaging with the public. I think this is one of the shining stars of the CRB is the ability of everyone to come and have their piece heard. Going to some of the questions about how do we educate the public about the sanctuary promise law here in the state of Oregon and whose role is it. I think at least in part it's the CRB's role. You heard doing presentations about what does an EPD officer look like versus others. What will an EPD officer always have on them? what does their uniform look like? And also discussions about whether or not the sanctuary promise was uh violated. So, here are our reviews from last year. Uh we had eight public meetings as opposed to the four required um by law. And we reviewed

15 different cases and discussed them running through our full process. Among them were um some service level complaints which ordinarily we have historically not done as many of them. One of the things we have been looking at more is trying to make sure that folks are heard. So service level complaints are a lower level of complaint that gets weeded out earlier on and we have been taking more of them as folks request to make sure that they are having a fair opportunity and that the auditor is being held accountable and classifying those correctly. And here are our trainings for last year. um have a number of them trying to educate both CRB and all of the different pieces of EPD that we have and then also the public. It's a wonderful opportunity for the public to learn things about the wonderful work that the Eugene Police Department is doing uh through the CRB. So some things that I am looking at in the following year year to come uh staff changes we helping the auditor continue to get uh settled here and then also uh welcoming two new associate auditors that will be a big change. you know, we have a lot of institutional knowledge in our associate auditors and so finding folks who are engaged with the work and helping them to learn about all the things that the CRB has historically done and also think about new ways that the CRB can be involved with the public. We have uh the swap body warn camera. This is a continuing trend that we have or continuing uh policy issue that we have been keeping our eye on. We're pleased to see that uh the police commission is making progress on uh this

issue and we'll continue to tracking it and then also just wonderful outreach work with Beatrice. And at this time I welcome council's questions. Thank you so much for that update and report and now open the floor for council discussion. Councelor Keading.

Thank you, Mayor. In the interest of time, I'll limit it to one inquiry. Um, and and I'll launch by saying thank you uh, Ely. Thank you for your service community and to the CRB and thank you for pinch hitting today. You mentioned sworn versus nonsworn. In the video videos that we saw over the weekend, an EPD officer was communicating with another officer from an agency in Utah who was presumably off duty. Sworn versus nonsworn. I get it. What about on duty versus off duty? Has has the civilian review board recently taken up any case where allegations were brought up against an officer in their personal capacity either CRB or the office of the police auditor and how would how would the how would we approach the offduty officer let's say that officer in Utah in in the videos that we saw if that was an EPD officer who was off duty having similar unsavory unacceptable conversations.

Thank you, Councelor Keing. So, I would say in recent memory, I can't think of a time where we got a complaint about offduty, but in the in the palm, the policy operations manual. Officers have obligations off duty and uh officers are expected to follow them. So, I'm thinking, for example, of conformance to laws. You you have to follow laws as a police officer off duty and on duty. And you know, if we were to receive a complaint about non-compliance with that policy, I think it would work its way through the process. And if it fell into that buck, if it ultimately fell into that bucket of things that we as the CRB could look at, I think it would be important for us to consider doing so. And also recognizing with the example I've given you, failure to obey law is going to generate a criminal process that's going to play out far far before the auditor's office takes a look and then even further before the CRB ultimately gets to look at it.

I can tell you that the auditor's office has seen cases with officers that were off duty and we do that we saw was reversed and the EPD officer was the offduty one on the phone. I can can't hear uh I said that with the auditor's office has reviewed cases with officers that are off duty and that with the if that video that we all saw was reversed and the Eugene officer was the offduty one on the phone, allegations would still have been brought. Councelor Evans.

Yeah. I want to go back to something that you you said and but by the way I want to say I think this has been a really outstanding report. Um I want to commend the CRB on this but the difference between um being able to uh conduct investigations on the actions of sworn officers versus nonsworn officers. What that brought up for me was maybe a loophole in our system that we need to close and that possibly this is something that comes back to city council in terms of a work session and closing that gap in terms of covering CSOS and other personnel um in the police department that are nonsworn. Um can you maybe talk a little bit about that?

Absolutely. I I would be uh supportive of that change. One of the things that uh you know we've seen the police department I think very in a lot of way moving towards using community service officers in place of police officers in certain settings. I believe the drone team is the one that springs to mind as a possible front-facing opportunity for community service officers to be engaged. And while again, the auditor's office has the opportunity to review those, we as the CRB have a gap when it comes to non-sworn personnel. And so I I'd be supportive of making sure that we close that gap uh to the best that we can. And also I I think it is going to become more of an issue as we think about new ways to use non-ssworn personnel and not less. So staff, can we work on something that um could address this that could be brought back to council in the work session? I'd just like to point out there's a difference between the 60-day and sixmonth issue and this one that being that this um the difference that we're talking about is directly from the charter which is not within the city council's control to change it would have to go to a vote of the of the the citizens. So section 15A of the charter that created originally 2008 or whenever it was added to the charter specifies that uh the independent police auditor oversees investigations of complaints involving police employees wide coverage. But the civilian review board um review uh to review investigations of complaints involving sworn police

officers. So you can discuss that issue and whether you would want to refer that back to the voters to change, but we wouldn't be able to bring you an ordinance to change that one. Okay. So this would go back to a change in the charter to close that gap. And I'm willing to have that conversation if my colleagues are at some point when it's appropriate for us to do that. And that could go out on a ballot measure maybe in November or uh some other time that would uh clean this up.

Thank you, city attorney councilors. Any other questions or follow-up comments for CRB? or given that we have 15 minutes for our independent police auditor's office. I have one. So, I'll jump to the front of the queue and others uh please feel free to let me know. Um uh I'm reflecting a bit on some of the information that was shared at public comment on Monday evening and also uh in relationship to uh the the uh public sharing of this uh video of um now resigned former officer uh Siller and uh conversation with a an individual in Utah and there's investigation continuing and um we will learn more as as this investig ation continues. Um, we also have heard at different points in time and I think this work session today really illuminates the the value, the structure, the effectiveness of the systems that we've put in place in our community. And um, as mayor of Eugene, I can tell you that I frequently receive messages from members of the public who are not aware of the systems that we have put in place in our community and how effective they are. Um, I believe the city of Portland is just now in the process of essentially creating something like what we have had in place in our community for 20 years and certainly some significant opportunities um for uh for that community. The question I have for you is about how um how we can most effectively how the public can most effectively share information when um there is an encounter u or documentation of um an incident uh as egregious as what we saw this past weekend with that release uh

to uh to the public online. um but also in in person. And uh it strikes me that there is um some of the process that we are now in that is significantly different because that information did not come to your office first. But it was released to the public, including to the individuals implicated by their actions at the same time as we learned about that information. And that's most clearly demonstrated in this now resigned officer leaving the department within hours of that information being made publicly available. Can you speak a little bit to the sequence of information in an ideal universe um or an ideal community where we are seeking to uphold our laws, uphold our community's values um support, strengthen, expand trust that our community has in our public safety systems, how you would hope that uh information like that would come into um our awareness. I think we're trying to address that directly with the work and the community outreach. The office has done I think a very good job of it in the past. I'm doubling down on that. I think uh like you say you have people that have no idea of the mechanism. Uh it's not a nineto-ive thing. I saw the as soon as I got alerted, I was able to check on that. And the one the immediate feeling of satisfaction that I knew within hours that that officer was not going to be stepping into a patrol car that night or the next day was tremendous. Uh if somebody has important information like that, getting it to us as soon as possible means a they have to know it that we're there and then b we have to monitor. I think we have the monitoring system because I found out very quickly once it happened, but just getting that word out. I know as counselors, you get emails all the

time from people that are, you know, I want to complain about this or that. Um, I'd like to see more of them just know we're there to do so. So, we're just going to keep broadening that message and bringing it up as much as we can. Another shining light on I think this incident is more people are now aware of our office than they ever were. So that's providing uh and as council Kading says unfortunately some of the things that they're bringing up are old and our hands are are tied but you know moving forward hopefully that won't be an obstacle in the sense that people will know we're here and they'll say call the auditor's office and in monitoring some of the social media a lot of people are saying yeah let the auditor's office know. So that's that's really what we want.

Thank you very much appreciate that clarification and reminder. Um, with that and seeing Oh, councelor clerk.

Thank you, Mayor. And my question is kind of a takeoff on your question. I thought it was a good one and it spawned my thinking. This is probably a question for the chief for a future opportunity, but perhaps the auditor will know the answer. Is it uh it is currently parts of Oregon law, federal law, I'm not sure which level of law that physicians and psychiatrists have a mandatory reporting obligation when they learn of certain crimes that may have taken place? Do our officers have a mandatory reporting obligation if they learn about because I know plenty of officers who have filed complaints with the auditor's office for what they saw a coworker do or say. Do we have a a a mandatory reporting obligation within the palm or within ordinance that you're aware of? So officers must report misconduct of other officers. So one of the things that as part of my continuing investigation is I want to know if anybody knew this sort of stuff and didn't report it. And I'll tell you right now, allegations are going to be coming if that was the case. Uh but you know, you have a you you raise another question in my mind. Well, what if a psychologist becomes aware of it? Can they report it? They said the person's been hired, they pass background and

or are they obligated to report it? That's my question. And it it's we do have a unique structure that other than Eugene for example, I would doubt that we would there's things that we would like to get reported but we're so different that other state agencies don't know to that we're here even. So it's it's part of that bigger picture. But as far at the most at the most local level, if an officer is aware of misconduct uh and they fail to report it, that would be an allegation in my mind. That's in other words, they're violating policy by not making that report. Is that correct?

Yeah. They're supposed to report misconduct and I I can pretty much guarantee you that that would be something that we would look at and dive into and it's something with the current incident. I certainly want to know and there's a there's a fine line between conduct and conversation and and so I' I'd really like to know or or see the written part of the policy I suppose that that discusses that. uh if if if the chief is is monitoring this meeting and has the ability to send me a copy of the relevant operations manual portion, I' I'd love to know that. Thank you.

The chief doesn't we obviously have access to it and I'm happy to meet with you and go through it with you as well. Thank you very much.

Thank you, council. Um, thank you staff and thank you to our independent police auditor and to our civilian review board. I also want to just make a quick public note of thanks to Monnique Green and Carolyn Williams who are departing from the civilian review board this in this coming uh spring and fall. And we will not see you for another work plan uh update until after uh that occurs and want to appreciate uh them for their service and their work. Uh it's incredibly important in our community. So thank you and thank you to them. Um, thank you everyone. That concludes our agenda for today and I now close the May 13th, 2026 Eugene City Council work session. We are adjourned.