City Council - Regular Meeting

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Oh, he thought you were going copying the addendum. Cuz the addendum is not here. You said you had to copy something, so we thought you were going to copy it. [clears throat] Call to order this meeting of the Cannabis City Council, May 7th, 2026. Mr. DeMay, please call roll. Councilmember Moore? Here. Councilmember Boschan? Here. Councilmember DuBord? Here. Councilmember Flath? Here. Mayor Amundson? Here. [clears throat] Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat]

At this time, seeking approval [clears throat] and/or corrections to the minutes of the regular meeting of April 16th, 2026. So moved. Second. Discussion. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. At this time, seeking approval and/or adjustments to the current agenda as written. Um motion to make a few changes. Uh if we can move under new business, number eight, special event application to number seven, and number seven, our closed session, to number eight. And in addition, move our um brief public comment um and appointments prior. Close session after announcements. After announcements, yeah. Yes.

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Support. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. This time is there any conflict of interest need to be declared by members of council pertaining to items on the agenda. Hearing none. This time we'll hear brief public comment pertaining to items on the agenda. If you wish to make public comment, please approach the podium, state your name, place of residence, keep your comments to 3 minutes or less. Hearing none, move on to public [clears throat] hearings. We have two scheduled this evening. Item number one, public hearing proposed 2026-27 fiscal year budget. City Council will conduct the fourth public hearing and schedule the final [snorts] public hearing and approval of the 2026-2027 city budget for May 21st, 2026. This time we'll open the public hearing. If you wish to make comment

[clears throat] about the budget, please approach the podium. Close the public hearing. [snorts] Second a motion to set the the next public hearing? Motion to set the next public hearing for May 21st, 2026 for fiscal year budget. Support. Discussion. Mr. Mayor, please call roll. Councilmember DeVooght? Yes.

Councilmember Flath? Yes. Councilmember Moore? Yes. Councilmember Boucher? Yes. Mayor Yes. Public hearing item number two, second reading public hearing and adoption of ordinance number 1319, an ordinance [clears throat] to amend chapter 29 of the code of ordinances to establish the Escanaba Tree Advisory Board. City Manager. Uh so, as it relates to this public hearing and to uh new business number one, uh being the conservation district agreement, um through some conversation this week, um we we think there might be some more options to look at internally uh with the Department of Public Works serving some of these roles. Um if they were to do that, it would probably change the language a bit of this ordinance. Um so, what we I think what we're looking to do is really just to postpone this maybe to like the first meeting in July, uh to really provide time to kind of come up with like a detailed proposal, um and then decide, do we want to proceed as planned or or a modification or or possibly a a different route entirely? Um but, you know, certainly we'll need a little bit of time to to put together that proposal. So, you're asking us to table the second reading and new business item one? Yes. Uh, I'll make a motion to postpone till um July 2nd, our first meeting. Support. Discussion. Mr. May, please call the roll. Councilmember Ward. Yes. Councilmember Mosher. Yes. Councilmember Moore. Yes. Councilmember Flaugh.

Yes. Mayor May. Yes. [clears throat]

Currently have no unfinished business on the docket. Moving on to new business. I believe we just took care of item number one, so we'll move on to new business item number two. Approval investment policy update. Defined benefit retirement plan, city manager. So, we um one of the things I wanted to do uh before leaving was uh taking a another run through of our investment policy. Um, since we've taken over the the pension plan management, um it it's done very well. We have a current investment policy that does provide adequate governance structures, uh but it's there's a lot of jargon in the policy, and um I would say it it leaves, you know, room for inadvertent errors. Um, not that they, you know, would typically occur, but the new policy uh basically it makes it a lot more readable. Um, anybody serving on the pension board or in city administration should be able to look at the new policy and easily understand it. Um, and then what this does is it it says, more or less, the Act 314, you can invest in accordance with the act, and then here's some additional guardrails, and it maps each investment type back to the act uh to just make it very clear for the investment manager, to make it very clear for the pension board, and the citizens um to to make sure it's being followed to the greatest extent possible. Um and and really I think too in in some measures uh there's a lot of talk about the basket clause. Uh the basket clause allows about 15% of the portfolio uh to be invested in other things um

not described in the act so much. Uh and this puts language to what we would deem acceptable there. It it puts some guardrails that would would be a little bit higher standard uh than what some other investments might look like. Uh but ultimately the implementation of the policy uh would be still with the pension board. Uh they provide oversight uh and certainly if, you know, they were to change direction um or or consider other investments, uh they would have to talk it through and and and approve that. Move approval. Support. Discussion on this item. Has it been reviewed by legal or making sure that we're Uh this one hasn't had uh attorney review. Um you know, it's it's pretty standard language. Uh a lot of it's more or less boilerplate language. Um you know, certainly wouldn't hurt. Um but I wouldn't expect any major objections to it either. I'm just looking at saying we've had legal review to protect us and for the board to know that we're sound, that there's no gray area or loophole there. That would be the only way I want to look at protect with you leaving protecting it to making sure. So, I would ask that if I'd add to that motion a legal review. Adding legal review as per um the results of legal review. Support. Further discussion [clears throat] on this item. Mr. May, please call the roll. Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Flaherty? Yes. Councilor Bosha? Yes. Councilor Dueweke? Yes. Mayor Rambo? Yes.

New business item number three, [clears throat]

approval resolution 26-06 resolution for designation of street administrator, city manager. So, this is uh related to MDOT. Uh MDOT needs one person to be the designated signatory for certain MDOT reports and forms. Uh this was in my name, and we're just looking to move it over to to Kent Dueweke, uh director of public works. Motion to approve. Support. Discussion. Mr. May, please call the roll. Councilor Dueweke? Yes. Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Bosha? Yes. Councilor Flaherty? Yes. Mayor Rambo? Yes. New business item number four, approval wastewater treatment plant CWSRF division D 2026 sanitary sewer improvements. Additional costs, wastewater. Yes. So, we're looking for [clears throat] as the and this is related to the Ludington Street project for another $160,000. And we call it non-participating street funds. Um it just means non-grant street funds by non-participating. Um so, when we have approached all of our projects all over town, um we're trying to within that work area replace what is bad, uh but given the the scope of uh the condition of infrastructure all over the city, we're also trying to if if something is in decent condition to leave it there. If we can reuse the curb or the sidewalk that that's there, we we do try to do that. Uh and as as we've gotten a little farther up Ludington, uh uh pretty much from 10th to 16th on the south side, uh a lot of the curb um it is really bad. Uh so, we're we're looking to replace it. This would replace a portion of that sidewalk as well. Um it it would line up the curb a little

bit better uh with the other uh with the rest of the streetscape. Um it will improve our grades a little bit, too. There are some challenges with with making the grades uh with where the curb is, so uh something that we we probably should have recognized initially, um but as we've gotten into it here, it it's something that's come up and we'd rather get it done now during the project than than come back in 8 years and and replace this curb. Um so, right time, right place. Um There is some contingency in here with the expectation that there'll be a few extra squares of sidewalk on every block probably that need to get taken out as well uh because of their condition. Is this just for south side or are we looking at north side, too? So, north side is already being done. Um it is that was already planned uh because of the the storm and in the sewer work there. The the south side, our initial plan was just to replace the areas that were impacted by the sewer laterals, and this opens it up to the entire curb. Move approval. I'll support it. Discussion on this item, Mr. Just a question or comment, [clears throat] I guess. You mentioned things that should have been noticed previously. One thing I've noticed in this part of town is the the curbing seems to be 6 in above the roadway. I've seen doors open and scrape the sidewalk. Can that be reduced? We'll definitely

Something to keep in mind, I guess. Yeah, we'll definitely mention it to the engineering staff. I guess I do have a comment. Like what Mr. Bowshot too is our engineering firm that knew this project was Kevin couldn't think or figure this out that we're going to have to do stuff side sidewalks and curbing. Like I just in my mind we pay them. You know this project's been going on a big project like this. How do you forget that? Like how does this not even consider? I guess in my mind. I I think a lot of that is the scope of how much work's going on right now. I mean we are well past I think everybody's capacity. Um Jeff might have more to offer on it. Um but

I'd also like to point out that we were very concerned about the cost and we were trying to mitigate any extra cost as much as we could to to make this affordable and and extend the project as far as we could. I mean we talked about going building face to building face with concrete, but I don't think those costs can be absorbed either. So we were thinking more about the money. Um once when we seen how much or how little curb was going to be left, it was decided that we got to go this route. Thank you. Further discussion on this item. Mr. May, please call the roll. Councilmember Moore. Yes. Councilmember Flaherty. Yes. Councilmember Bowshot. Yes.

Councilwoman Dubord? Yes. Councilman Ray? Yes. New business item number five, approval purchase of search criteria platform, IT. Administration is seeking city council approval to purchase a 12-month contract with Smarsh Incorporated in an amount not to exceed $7,010. Um I would note uh that number could be less. I I think this is more of a a high end of the number. Um this has come up uh we it's it's a tool to archive messaging. Um so we I I've had to look into the software for uh personal reasons and it's a very good company with a good track record for archiving and retrieving communications. Uh obviously being subject to FOIA uh archiving and retrieving communications is is a big deal for us. Um it takes a long time depending on the scope of the request. Um many of us have tens of thousands of emails. Um and and multiply that by, you know, throughout the organization. Um so when Phil receives a FOIA um often we know we're asking for an extension. Uh it takes considerable time and effort which also raises the cost of the FOIA. Um and and bogs down his office. Um so I I had knowledge of this company and what they can do. Uh knew they did municipal work. Uh Phil chased it down and ultimately, you know, it it would save them a great deal of time and and provide a better service. He can tell you about it. He's he talked to the company and and how it would apply to the city. Uh but but certainly um would provide some value to us. Yeah, I did a a demo um

last week with this uh company and it basically is going to streamline uh it's a platform to streamline uh the ability to officially search emails [snorts] um or data that's requested by a FOIA request or um resident or non-resident um for retention, basically. Uh what we're finding is that it is extremely complicated complicated to to get the search done. Um in fact, there's many times where I've had to call on the S-Tech to come in and and assist because they deal with this uh I wouldn't say daily, but like they they deal with uh Office 365 a lot and um they have difficulty doing this. So, if I'm not around, if Tammy has to do a a a request or someone else has to do a request, this streamlines it and it makes it so so much more simplistic that the efficiencies it's hard to miss. So, I thought when Jim even mentioned this, I'm like, "Yeah, I got to check this out because it it it becomes um a problem in a way where I I will spend what I feel like is so much time getting to that point where getting the data where it's going on to the taxpayer because of the amount of time that I'm I'm putting on this. Um this will definitely just streamline everything and really make it much more efficient. Is it cloud-based or is it just Yeah, it's an online platform.

Online platform. Are they or archiving and organizing it's like everything you give it? So, they keep it all organized

will they will do it per per mailbox. Okay. So, like Jim said um I wanted a a quote for the full scope. Like if I want to everyone's emails. Not that I don't want everyone's emails because some are more likely to be FOIA'd than others. So, that being said, it's not like we wouldn't still be able to go in through e- discovery, which is an uh the platform that Microsoft uses. And and still be able to do these searches. It's just that um this is a AI-driven form Mhm. that is so quick and so much more efficient. Um I figured it was best to get the full scope of everyone, and there might be potentially um a dial back on on that price. But it all depends on what we feel is works best with. Is there any other use for this other than FOIA? Sure, absolutely. I mean, internally we can, you know, if there was an investigation of any sort, I mean, they could they could definitely assist in that. So. Well, I think I mean, eventually mailboxes fill up. Um you know, to be able to you know, know that oh 4 years ago we we did exchange quite a few emails on whatever subject. What did we conclude? What were all the findings? This is software you can use then to to try and go back and and retrieve all that as well. So, is this for all city employees then? Uh anybody that has any city email. Is that scope uh quote? How often I'm sorry. How often are you being FOIA'd? I know it's hard to judge, but

It's hard to forecast that.

Um it really is hard to forecast that because um I'm going to jinx myself if I tell you that very [laughter] often. So, I mean, no matter what um depending on the scope of the FOIA a it's really depends because uh if it's a large scope search through multiple emails involving a very um high profile topic, uh that could take very very long time. Um and it's it's very clunky on what we're using right now. And like I said, I'm the only one in this building that can do it right now. So, if we have a easier, more efficient way to do it, other people could help assist in that if for some reason I'm not here or gone or whatever, uh we can still fulfill these requests.

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Motion to approve the $7,010 or less, I'm sorry. Uh I'll I'll support. But I did notice that Facebook is specifically mentioned on the order form. Now, the city has, I assume that city Facebook social media pages. Is Facebook the only one the city uses? Does the city use other social media? We don't use like Twitter or any other We don't No, we don't use that. Um But They threw Facebook in for free as a promotion. I see. So, that will include like I believe recreation department has their own Facebook page, public safety has theirs. I don't know if there's others that they're all included. Yes, that would be the Yeah, I think there's only three. Further discussion on this item? Mr. Mayor, please call roll. Councilor Dubord? Yes. Councilor Bouchard? Yes. Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Flood? Yes. Mayor Raymond? Yes. New business item number six. Discussion: Determine next steps of city manager recruitment process.

[clears throat] You want to read that or you want I can read it. I can read it. Uh administration [laughter] is requesting the council

To discuss and provide direction on the next steps for the city manager recruitment process. Also to discuss interim management arrangements, uh sitting in recruitment timeline, and determining an appropriate interim statement. So, I guess I'll start. Um I believe we need to move forward with hiring somebody to find somebody for us. Um I know that Heather did provide council with quotes or pricing. Um I think we need to pay the money. And I was looking more at the one that was around the $14,000 mark. I believe 14,000 something is reasonable, my thought. But, I'd like to just recommend or have discussion with council if that's where we want to move. I agree. That's the next step. Seems like there was it was pretty um short shorter period of time than I thought was you know, possible. So, I I think that the time frame is acceptable, too. And plus this this um company has a really good track record with other communities of our size. And in the UP. So, I guess I'll make a motion to What was the cost? 14,000? I'm pulling it up right now. 14,950. $14,950 to hire the company. If we have our public safety department do the background check, they'll take uh $550. So, that's always an option, too, cuz they've been running our backgrounds, so that's something to keep in mind. I'll just allocate the direct amount. If we save it and public safety wants to do the backgrounds, then we save ourselves 550 bucks. Support. Discussion on this.

[clears throat] All right, Mr. Mayor, please call the roll. Councilmember Dubord? Yes. Councilmember Flaherty? Yes. Councilmember Moore? Yes. Councilmember Valouch? Yes. Mayor Hemmes? Yes. That being said, [clears throat] um that's part one of that discussion. Part two is we do need to officially appoint an interim and assign financial compensation for that position. And I believe we all had that emailed to us at one point.

Yep. So, there was, I think, three parts to that. Mhm. Um the first part, uh with Melissa Baycock doing interim city manager, she was first requesting, with the excess amount of time dedicated to the position, um the excess PTO or accrued vacation time to pay out uh for that. And then the second part was a three per- $3,000 stipend for the additional duties of being the interim city manager. And then a $1,000 stipend after city manager's found to continue the onboarding during the onboarding process. Uh I have no objection to that. I was just going to clarify it was $3,000 a month and $1,500

15 Okay, it was 15. to work with the new manager. Okay. I would let's let's approve the request as written from Melissa. Let's go with that. I don't think any of us had a I think we're fortunate to have somebody that's been here so long that is so knowledgeable that is willing to step up and and do this for us. Not all Not all communities have that um luxury. So, I think that um this is a good thing and it doesn't look like it's going to be a very long time, um based on a promise, so. I agree. So, make a motion to approve Melissa Bay Coats' request as asked for, um, to to for her promotion as an interim city manager. I'll support. Further discussion on this item? Mr. Mayor, please call the roll. Councilor De Wars? Yes.

Councilor Boschan? Yes. Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Flath? Yes. Mayor LaMarche? Yes. New business item number seven, approval [clears throat] special event application, Log Jam Music Festival. Manager. So, with the Downtown Development Authority is requesting City Council approval to close Ludington Street from 16th Street to 18th Street and Stevenson Avenue from Ludington Street to First Avenue North for the Log Jam Music Festival on June 27th, 2026. Administration is recommending approval of this request contingent upon the following: proper insurance being provided naming the City of Escanaba as additionally insured, and event sponsors provide all labor and materials and clean up at the conclusion of the event. This is the second year, and the idea is to have a street concert in the downtown with all the construction. The plans just came together here in the past couple of weeks, so the Log Jam Committee has been meeting and trying to figure it out, and I think we picked a really good spot. We're going to put it right next to the stop lights on Stevenson and Ludington, and then, uh, have three stages there with 10 bands, including a, uh, lumberjack show, and Bruce Belanger, who is lives here in town, has the Great Lakes Timber Show. Thank you. I'm not used to anything this formal.

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Um, my name is Bruce Belanger, and for 40 years I've traveled all over the United States performing at state fairs, county fairs, and festivals. And last year I had uh yeah yeah I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to perform here in Escanaba and at the Log Jam. And quite frankly, when you're from this area and you perform in your hometown, you're never sure what to expect, but we had a tremendous uh tremendous uh backing from the community and uh uh all the way up till this year they've been coming up to me and asking, "Are we going to have another Log Jam uh festival?" And so I'm I'm very uh proud to be part of part of it. I think it's very very important uh to keep the positive energy in a community, especially with the the way things are going now with all the construction and that. People were pretty excited about it last year, and I've had a lot ask me about it for this year, so uh we'll we'll be happy to be part of it again, and I think the uh the crowds were tremendous last year, so it says a lot about um Craig and the rest of the folks that put this together, so we appreciate your support. And um if you come out and see me, I'll probably take a plunge for you. Thank you. I have just

Um I do want to say too that just the last week I had a developer in town and we were talking. He said, "You know, that Log Jam event that you had last year," he says, "that was a real eye-opener to the possibilities within our community." So, I'm hoping to be able to build on that as well. And uh we on the Highline stage, we are going to be featuring Delta Players, Borrowed Time, Stonewall, and Ty Parkin, who is a country rock musician from Alpena with ties to Nashville. So, for approval? I just have one question just for clarity. I'm sure that you have um researched the location and you know, obviously I don't have any issue with that, but just for the sake sake of clarity, if people ask, why was it why why there instead of down here? So the we do have the Ludington Street Cruise down here. Uh the idea with that event also was to help support the businesses within the community. And if you notice from 5th that direction is mostly governmental. Um so there aren't as many businesses that would benefit from it. So and that was what was egging at me. So we're trying to figure out what can we do? And then when that one kind of like dawned on us, um I immediately called a friend of mine and said, "Hey, what can you think about this?" And we went out and checked out the street and tried to figure it out. And uh so what's nice about it is there's five restaurants in that area and one one of those restaurants has a social district permit. And so we're working with them on what it is that they're going to expect so we don't have the overwhelming uh thing that the the bars that are down in the other area had last year. Okay. Question. Um I did attend last year's Log Jam. I It appeared to go over very well. Um with in regard to the street closure, I'm sure people at that end of Ludington

Street business owners probably thought they were safe from closures. I'm not sure how many I was waiting for that question. open on uh Saturdays, but have you spoken to them? I've spoken to some, not all of them. I'm in the process of of doing doing that, yes. And I guess my other question would be since Ludington is more or less closed down, why wrap it around onto Stevenson and close down part of that? Wouldn't it So that was one of the issues. I actually said to my friend, "Can we possibly close the one of the major intersections like this for that?" And his answer was, "Well, it's called the Log Jam." [laughter]

So um and it's not the closure is not much different than the Christmas parade. So the the the traffic already can get down on First Avenue North and swing around and then it's just up before the the detour begins so that we're not affecting the detour on that side at all either. And it is just 24 hours I guess. Thank you. If I'm picturing this correctly in my head I think that I think [clears throat] the dog leg like that makes sense because there's there's businesses and houses and streets and I believe if we were to go up straight half of the party would be shared with the cemetery. True. That is true. very exciting. [laughter]

Further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Thank [clears throat] you. Moving on to appointments. [sighs]

We should have put Melissa on this list. Hm? We should have put Melissa on this list officially appoint her. There's a lot on that list. I know. Um okay, we've got a lot of stuff going on here. We have reappointments for uh Board of Library Trustees Lynn Soderberg would like to be reappointed by the manager with council approval. No issue. Okay, thank you. Harbor Advisory Committee Josh Anthony and David Blue would like to be reappointed. No issue. Okay. And Crystal Poirier would also like to be reappointed for a third term. No issue. Okay, thank you. Planning Commission we have Michael Harris and Richard Kell who would also like to be reappointed to their positions on the Planning Commission. Good. Public Safety Retirement Board Josh Bayette would like to be reappointed to a third term. Okay. Recreation Advisory Board Shirley Gollack would like to be reappointed for a second term. Okay. Traffic [clears throat] Traffic Safety Advisory Committee um Joel Crispinha has a partial term that he's filling out right now and he wishes to be reappointed to a first term again on Traffic Safety Advisory Committee. No issue. Okay. And Zoning Board of Appeals, Don Curran would like to be reappointed to his third term. No issue. Thank you.

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Okay, that being said, Phil, there's a lot of information on this page here. So, we still have one vacancy on the Board of Library Trustees. Uh we have one vacancy on the Downtown Development Authority, but we do have an application on file for the Downtown Development Authority for Tyler Myrick. If we would like to appoint him, we can fill that. Okay. I believe there is one for the Library Trustee also, right? So, we'll make note of that. Um Yes, there is. Excuse me. Marine Houston would like to be appointed to the Board of Library Trustees. Okay, take care of that one. And Historic Preservation Commission has a vacancy that Lauren Whitman would like to fill. No issue. Okay. We are down to one vacancy on the Housing Commission and two alternate vacancies on the Zoning Board of Appeals. We're making progress. I'd like to thank Rachel Brenstrom for doing a little piece on board service in the paper and all of a sudden we've got positions filled, so. That's Appointments Board Commission Committee Reports. Top of the month? I attended Sal Base Board Authority. Everything's going fine. Good. Nothing new. Good.

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General public comment. If you wish to make public comment, please approach the podium, state your name and place of residence. Moving on to announcements. Any little ones? I have one. Enhance Escanaba is um has moved into our second phase of funding for the ice rink. We've already raised 100,000, and so now we're in a GoFundMe type um grant process through the MEDC. So, we're looking to raise 75,000, and then as soon as we do that, the MEDC will match it. So, I invite everybody to go to patroncity.com/icerink, or go to enhanceescanaba's Facebook page, or enhance enhanceescanaba.org, and all the information um will be there, and my phone number is on all that. So, I appreciate any calls or questions that anybody has. Speaking of ice rink, I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I heard the city of Marquette is going after a million-dollar loan to put in their own sheet of ice somewhere now. Is it a coincidence? I don't know. Outdoor or indoor?

it's outdoor. Really?

I think. We're still going to be the first ones. We're going to be the first [laughter] ones in the UP. Yes. One last thing would be Mr. McNeal, if you would announce to the public that's watching um if they need information or attending the informational meetings regards to the construction downtown, um we you know the dates and then times for that? And where else can they find that information at? Yeah. Um so certainly if if you don't have the Escanaba app, um be sure to download it. Um it will give you um the most up-to-date closures. Uh and in those press releases, there's typically a link with a map that that shows you where they are. Um if you ever have a question, um you you can certainly call city hall, uh but preferably call uh the wastewater department or the water department. Um and they will get you where you need to go. Uh but otherwise, we we do have our informational meetings typically the first Wednesday of every month. Um we do try and get a press release out to to notify of those meetings. Um it's a good place. There's probably people with the same questions that you have and and uh often um you know, it can answer one answer can answer many questions. Uh but even if it's if it's something specific to your property, uh it's a good place to to come and get your your questions answered. Thank you, Mr. McNeal. Okay, last but certainly not least,

[clears throat] we are running out of calendar days on Mr. McNeal's schedule to be the city manager as his last day will be on the 15th of this month, if I'm not mistaken, which means that tonight is his last city council meeting. As long as Jeff behaves and we don't have to have any emergency meetings. [laughter]

That being said, um on behalf of I believe all of our city employees to the city residents themselves, council especially, thank you for your service, your time, your effort, your energy, your dedication, your ingenuity, and mostly caring because it sure makes a when you have people who really care about what they do. It comes through in every aspect of the work and it makes this community a better place to live in. Thank you for setting a fine example. Now I'll open this funny little box. [applause]

Get your camera, Craig. We're going to do this. How many years as city manager? Just for the record. Eight. Started I think November of '22. Come over here. Craig's got a better idea. Four years. Always. [laughter] Big chair. There's two words on the plaque that I missed, passion and commitment. Grab it. So we got to do that one. Do you want to match it? Sure. Right in shape. So awkward. [snorts] So you need to move a little bit And then you can kiss her cheek. [laughter]

It's been a pleasure. THANK YOU. [applause] [sighs] ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS ALL THE FUN STUFF. I'M SEEKING A motion to go into recess. Motion to go into recess for 5 minutes we need. Support. 5 minutes time we will return in to the closed session.