Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

And I am calling the Erie Historic Preservation Advisory Board meeting to order. Oh. Oh. Sup? So alright. Pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Hey, madam secretary. A roll call.

Turner?

Here.

Fuller's here. Rachel Folger? Here. Cesar Jimenez? Here. And council member Brian O'Connor?

Here. And then our town liaison and planning liaison, Harry Brennan, is out. And we are also missing Deandrea Arendt. Sure. And

And Laura Thomas is here.

And then oh, Laura is here. Yay. Alright. I sent out the the meeting packet Saturday. Did everybody have a chance to see it? It was rather small one this week. Did everyone have a chance to review the agenda?

Yes.

May I have a motion?

I move to approve the agenda.

Second. It has been moved by Rachel and seconded by Cesar that we approve the agenda as written. All in favor? I. Probably for the camera, we have to Oh. Yeah. So okay. Did everyone have an opportunity to review the minutes? Yeah. Is there a motion?

I motion to approve the minutes. Yes, Britney. I would like to

I'm sorry to go back, but I just realized that it says on our agenda approval of February 24 meeting minutes, but it was actually April's meeting minutes. Oh, it says April? It does say April?

Yeah. On

the printed version here.

Funny. The online version says February. And that's why I copied. Well, as long as the printed version is current, you need to amend it.

And seconded by Caesar. All in favor? Alright. And there's no way for since we don't have a video way to do people, they would have to come to the meeting if there's public comments. So there's nobody here. So

Good.

Okay. Move on to general business. The Erie airfare is September 7. That is a Sunday. Okay? And although it says it starts at 10AM, they're probably gonna want us there to set up around seven. I do know it was early two That early.

What? It wasn't that early.

No. I was there early.

Well, you're always there early. Yeah.

Like, hey. I got a good parking spot.

Yeah. But they allowed us to drive up?

Yes. Yes. Okay. But they didn't allow me to drive up. What they did is I they put me in a grassy area, and I had to walk from there. Yeah. You know, the grassy area like that. So but and we were apps we were right next to the band.

Yeah. It's not desirable.

You know, we were up front, far on the right, and the band was about a 100 feet from us. We couldn't

Hear anything.

You were you had to scream if somebody asked a question. It was and I'm saying, don't put me in front of the band again. You know? I did my time. Okay. And so the air board said, because it's such a big deal to put this together, they only do it every other year now. Yeah. So here we are 2025, so next one would be '27. And for some reason, they always they do it on a Sunday. They did it on a Sunday in '23.

So okay. And then on biscuit day, I'm there at 6AM because I have to start running biscuits and help set up. So I will not be in the booth that day. So I would request that somebody help. I on I do have to state that for the town fair, I was pretty much by myself all day.

Counselor Brian actually, he and his wife actually manned the booth for half an hour so I can have a break. So

I'm so sorry I couldn't make that. I know I sent you a a last minute note with a Yeah. Kiddo.

So but all I'm stating is, please. Now I do know on biscuit day, you'll have your own booth.

Yeah. Yeah. I can't help you.

Since it's a

Since I put on the event.

Since it's a historical society fundraiser. So yeah.

I'll definitely be there on biscuit day. Okay. That again, barring

I will have the stuff there and get it set up. Okay? Because I'll be there at six. Right. So and then it'll be set up ready to go, and then you guys just do your thing. And then I'm done running biscuits by the time it's over anyway. So then I can help break down.

Well, this is much better I'm just saying for me personally, it's much better timing having an early morning event as opposed to

Yeah.

Back down in the middle of the day event.

Yeah. Okay. On to old business. This is gonna be a very quick meeting again. So

Can I circle back real quick? Because that has happened, you know, we'll have Yuri and Biscuitar. I feel like we need some sort of formal way of signing up for time slots or some you know, just so that we're not just saying, yeah. Okay. Sure. And then, you know, you're in the situation you were in, and I know it kinda happened. You, me, and Deandra were there, but you were there the bulk of it for Earth Day. So I'm just saying, like, do we need to figure out a more like, an all week later time. Yeah. At the lineup. Yeah. Yeah. Just something to be

Typically, in previous administrations, the secretary would and did that.

Yeah. I did that a couple years ago.

Yeah.

Didn't work very well. Know I thought it was but I'll try it again.

Yeah. So if you can do two hour windows Yeah. Setup will be no no big deal because I'll already have it done.

Right. But for the airfare, maybe.

Yeah. And the airfare, although it starts at ten, we have to be well set up before then.

I didn't

think it was that early.

Well, you may not have got there that early, I got there, if not seven probably 07:30, 08:00.

I remember they allowed us to drive up

Yeah. From

boots. Then you're right. It it was a little bit of a hike to get back.

And then if you get there late, I'm gonna tell you, it's a long way. They do have a shuttle, but most people walked it because what they do is they take one of the fields and they clear the field. So and it's you're probably gonna walk a quarter of a mile easy, may maybe longer. So it's quite a ways away. So be early.

Crack your butt.

Yeah. Okay. So the budget report, Harry's plane was delayed, so he didn't make it. But he sent me an email saying nothing's changed. We still have $4,000.

And he did tell me that, you know, I want I don't wanna get ahead, but we are going to request for 2026 because we had to do the budget for 2026, and we're going to request $20,000. And 2026? Yeah. Because we're going to submit even though on October 1, we're gonna submit for phase three. It's the bid's already out.

Oh, okay. So we even if we get selected, we won't hear till December 15 anyway. And so we won't have to pay anything until 2026. So for that reason, we are kind of incorporating that. And then we have the other one we're submitting in October, you know, in May. So because we plan on submitting those two grants, and we have to anticipate getting them, so we've asked for the money. So and then That's a match

or a matching grant?

It's a 25%.

So they we pay 25?

Yeah. Yeah. The only the only one that and it's different because now with a new administration, the a history Colorado does not believe they're going to receive the same amount of federal funding. Alright? That kinda happened last year and that's why it used to be that if you submitted for CLG, you could get up to $250,000 and there was no match.

Okay? Last year, they capped it at in January, they capped it at 25,000 because they didn't get the amount of funding that they had before. And that's why we offered to pay $6,000 at 31. Right? Because 25 plus.

And Lindsay Ploeghling told us that with the number of properties that we had at all of them being intensive, she figured it would be somewhere between thirty, thirty five. Okay. So that's where all those numbers came from. And my fault, I'll take responsibility, we did not get it on BidNet because we didn't get it done soon enough. So we didn't have a a vendor selected.

And this time, it's out in June with an August 1 due date. So that gives us all time August at our meeting in August to select a vendor. Right? And then get the grant written and submit October 1. Is this CLG funding? Because I know

what Harry sent an email saying that the funding is in jeopardy, and they won't be dispersing funding for 2025, potentially 2026. So

Yeah. And that's all because of the new administration.

So I guess are you asking, like, is there any money to be had?

Yeah. Maybe not requesting. Oh, that's CLG. That would be History Colorado. Alright? So that's why we're not submitting anything because there's not gonna be any money.

We gotta do the Oktepard.

So the only thing that's left is competitive bid is competitive grants, and competitive grants are 25% match. So when we had the railroad history, we selected opinion and they were at 25,000. So that was a $62.50 match.

I

did just see it in the email today that Scofield got

Scofield got another two fifty. What what I did not see is when I read it was the economic or the environmental it is environmental hazard.

Barn.

Yeah. The the big barn. It is if you walk in there, the steps and all that, they're just black, and it's all feces. Oh, okay. So I didn't see anything mentioned in the in you know, the environmental the environmental mitigation.

Gotcha.

Because they can't work on it until that's done.

Maybe that's why they got so much money. I'm assuming. That's why why they got so much money.

Yeah. Well, they only got $2.50 for the for the building for the house itself, but the It's already done. The town kicked in x number of dollars. But the big barn, I've been in it. That's how I know it's all black. And, actually, the structure inside and in of itself is good. It's nice. It's really good. But because of the environmental hazard, you just can't do anything. And if you remember, they kinda let it out as a a possible wedding venue.

And so they asked me what would you know, asked me which one we do do next, and I says the Big Barn. Because if you wanna do a Reading venue, you gotta have a place for a reception, and Big Barn would be perfect for it. It's a big if you ever been on Schofield, it's the big brick barn. Yeah. Right? I drive by that every day. Yeah. You do. Brick ranch. Yeah. And so the tower, the grain shaft, there's a a shaft that runs like this, and it goes down to the livestock pan. And you simply can't get down there because it's nasty.

So

so that's why I said I didn't see anything about environmental mitigation because that's gonna be expensive. Anyway okay.

I mean, they've received over a million dollars in grants over since 2019.

Say again?

They've received over a million they received a million dollar grant last year in 2024. So, like, all and then in 2019, they got 30 k in 2020. Yeah. So they've received, like, over a hefty amount.

A hefty amount. I'm sure they

can get the feces scrubbed out of somewhere for a 100,000,000.5 k.

Yeah. And you see a bunch of people in hazmat suits in and out of there because that's what it would take.

Yeah.

Okay. Historic district. We actually if I may, Lara, we actually had at Arbor Day and at the town fair Mhmm. We had a lot of people that were own homes in the town. Right? Nobody was against it. Right? They say sign me up. So, however, comma, they said when you get to the people on High And Main Street

Good luck.

Yeah. Because there's a lot of town people that refuse to be told what to do.

Well, I don't know. I I didn't bring my computer. I don't know if someone's able to the the document I shared when was that? It was just before town fair.

Yeah. I would do it, but we can't share.

We can't share it on there.

Yeah. Because it I'm sorry. That screws

it up. I forget.

Yeah. They said I

mean, this lovely big screen.

Yeah. Please don't share because it screws up the video. So

I forgot about that. Yeah. I mean, I tried in that doc I can see that Cesar's looking at it. Yep. Am I saying your name right? I wanna make sure I have Yeah.

Yeah. Cesar. Cesar. Okay. Well, I'm waiting. That was

two, and I wanna know which one.

Cesar's fine.

Cesar. Okay. You know, explaining that's and and so I I started in on a a survey, but I I'm hesitant on the type of questions to to ask because I don't wanna be too leading with them. And I also wanna make sure, though, that people take the survey with enough information in mind that they're not just answering willy nilly.

What I would do is, in in essence, if you wanted to send mail a survey. Right? Right. You have to begin it with a letter. Right. You're right. Explain why we're doing what we're doing.

And that's where that would get that document would come in

because Yeah.

It kind of gives the the overview of because I still think the biggest thing is we do this, we just we do we do the his why can I never I

would rather do the door to door signing than do a vote, but it's what the town wants?

To do. Well, but it's between the two types of historical districts. You know, the one that we set up, the one that's under the the purview of the federal guidelines of a historical district or both. You could do

I would stick with local.

Well, but there's benefits to to both. You don't get grants if you if we would have to fund any grant money that would come from local, and a lot of people are are going to be interested because of the opportunity to have access to the great money. So I think that's where the thing that I continue to be told is that we need to that you you can do one big thing all at once, or, you know, do we pick a street? And say, we really try to get that street handled and and make sure that everyone is is golden on that, and then we we expand the historical district from there. So that's that's one way to do it too is just to consider how it's it's a lot of money as well.

It doesn't just happen.

You know, it's been recommended both ways that you start small and then work and then work out. So we thought originally we would do Briggs, Pierce, and Hallbrook. And the reason why we chose those three originally was because although there's Briggs and there's Hallbrook, right, where the main functions are, appears is in there, is between the two. So that's why it was included.

Got it.

And we could and we can do that as well and, you know, we can do that. But, personally, I'd rather get it done and over with and not have to deal with it again.

I agree. I mean, that that would be what I would lean towards. It's like if you do it and you hopefully get it all done, it just again, there's just pros and cons to every little component of it. And I I wanna make sure that, again, we're not just saying this is what we're doing. We get the feedback from the town and then, you know, make it make it their decision to to self impose. But we have to come with them with a suggestion. So

Yeah. So and and and and I and I agree. If we send them a letter and let them know ahead of time, give them an input of what they would rather do than when we put this out for a vote or a signature, then, it's not a big surprise. Right.

Well, then with the the local I guess that's where I I'm curious about the questions we would want to ask. If there's anything that comes to anyone's mind that they think is the most imperative to to get feedback on. Because, you know, I think, again, giving them that sheet and then asking them, are you interested in local or the National Historical Registry? Are you interested in both? It's like an obvious one. Right? But then is there anything beyond that that we feel is important data to collect in this? Yeah. Do that. I think it'd

be good to have, like, an objections, like an open ended question. If we're gonna send something out like, you know, would you like more information? Or, what's your if if you're against this, what's your biggest hesitation? Or something like that that gives an open ended answer so people so we we really get kind of everything, and then we can consolidate it and kinda narrow it down.

Yeah. Want that. Yeah. You know, it's it's important all that we tell them inside a historic district, there's a great possibility that it affects the sale of your house.

It can

go up.

Okay.

Mhmm. If you're in a historic, you know, district, the word historic carries a lot of weight.

Well, mean, I don't again, I don't know how much that document's been looked at by everyone, but I would also be curious to know if there's any feedback there that you know?

When would you like responses by?

I mean, I sent it out a week beef beef a couple of days before the town fair. So it responses have been lovely, you know, since then.

I think

that's what's I'll just be honest from my point of view is that, like, some of the stuff is happening, and I'll and I'll reach out to folks. And then it's like, we don't do anything for a month or two with it. We go in. And I'm not trying to I know we're all don't Yeah. I apologize.

I didn't realize until tonight that my email wasn't connected to my phone. It's weird. Haven't heard from Microsoft. They did that. And I logged in on my computer, and I was like, oh, there's a lot of emails that have been taking place. I was probably wondering why I

haven't signed my documents because I've

I have, like, 20,000.

Minus is fake. I seriously thought those were fake. I like, oh my gosh. They terrorize us out of phishing. So I just think every email's fake.

And just

Well So if there's

any Every

time I see plug and abandon and I go this, it's just delete, delete, delete, delete.

It's like this is attachment. I'm not opening it. I

don't care what what well is being capped or whatever. You know?

Just looking at it, I think if we are gonna, like, include it with the letters to homeowners, which is what it sounds like we're discussing Yeah. I think less text Great. And more, like, big picture, and maybe there's a secondary sheet that has more text. Because what I think we wanna do is have something that catches their eye that makes them want to learn more. Right. And then we give them that information, and then we give them an opportunity to get even more information at maybe a meeting like this or a q and a Zoom session. I don't know what we would wanna do. Right. But something like that, like, almost like a I don't They say seven touches Right. Before you close a sale.

So if we can have, like, a seven step plan, and maybe the Arbor Day was step one, and maybe step two is biscuit day, and maybe step three is sending a letter or something. You know? But maybe we have seven touches before we actually ask for a vote or a decision?

Yeah. We have some time. We got three months before biscuit day. So if we can have a letter drafted and out before biscuit day, then it gives them an opportunity to review it and then come ask questions.

Yeah. Because I I think the thought is with this is that it's a survey to get feedback because my understanding is that town council isn't quite ready to put full muscle behind it until there's more feedback from the homeowners. Yeah. And so I think wanting to to get I think we're at the feedback stage, not necessarily getting them to tell us yes or no yet. Yeah. Not the vote stage. It's the the, you know, the

Engagement and the Yeah.

Yeah. Because I'll have to do another council briefing in September. So always the

It's great to have this information.

Yes. Got it.

And also if you can put all the frequently asked questions on the website itself somewhere. So Pardon? Any frequently asked questions or any indication Yeah. Instead of approaching to each person when they ask, we can point them to Yeah. Any any any indication that we have to give them? Like, what what is a federal one? What is a local one? Mhmm.

Yeah. We I just wanna let the tone I just wanna let the town know that we're not doing this in a vacuum.

Right. Exactly. Because that you know, I think we will wind up with this survey. I do think there's a component of it that is the way I was constructing it right now is asking at the top, you know, do you live

in the streets?

Yeah. The proposed area. But I would there's still questions that I think might be interesting to hear from the west of the town if this is something that's important to them. Because I do think that they shouldn't that those streets are making the decision. But if they hear that this is such a popular idea, you know, there might be more

Yeah. Everybody behind it. Yeah. All the town nobody in this town has a gets mail delivered to a physical address.

Right. No. I'm not saying we would

Everybody's got a post office box.

I'm just saying if they

can I don't know if you knew that or not? Yeah. So

because I could see there's something else you know, speaking of the touches, like, putting it on the on the, you know, the Instagram, putting you

know, that

people would see it somewhere before there, and they might not just be someone who lives in Old Town.

But one thing is you have to also be ready for opening that can of wall because Yeah. A lot of people who are not concerned will give you a feedback. Right. Whether they want it or not. They don't have the right to work. Right. Yeah. Still, they'll do it. And, also, once we do these seven steps and how much ever we engage, internally, we have to be prepared for, oh, nobody contacted me. Nobody Probably seven things and Yeah. Why was I not asked? Mhmm. Why was my opinion not important?

Right. Even though it's, like, trying

I I mean, I'm just saying we need to be Well ready for those comments. People.

We could send them a letter. It doesn't mean they're gonna read it.

Right. Or open it

You'll tell

them that we did, like, seven touches? Yeah.

Right. Let's say it was. Yeah. Yeah. The town is doing a historic old town outreach.

Right. I have spoken with

what's it? Josh.

Yeah. I think that sounds right.

And that might be something to piggyback on because the town's already engaging

Yeah.

With the residents.

What are they doing?

There's a little Well

I ain't heard nothing.

You're you're an Old Town resident. Exactly.

So they're just trying to reach out to on breaks or,

you know,

engagement with the residents of Old Town. Oh.

My the thing that I talked to Josh about it though let me see if I can make sure. Yeah. Josh Campbell. Right?

Yes.

My understanding is that timeline's pretty long. Mhmm. And so

But you could piggyback. Like, the tree board is gonna try to do a tree walk Right. And engage with the residents that way. Right. This might be

an opportunity for No. I got invited to that. So I've been invited to a couple meetings. So

I mean, my I guess, only understanding with Josh is just, yeah, that they that the the timeline for engagement is a little longer after when we would maybe wanna get this process started. Was but does that mean that there's not components of it that we should still be Yes.

Yes. Since there's already engagement out there Yeah. You are pretty.

Right. Working Not like a cold

call. It's Oh, exactly. Hi. Tony is

calling the town of Erie. How are you doing? Okay.

On the planning re planning, oh, thanks, Laura, for all you do.

No problem. I guess, was there any are there any other questions we would wanna ask the chat? Because I feel like we got kind of two right now.

Yeah. So I would say get back to Laura with any questions you might recommend. Send an email to Laura, and I would say by the July 15.

That would be great.

And then she could have something prepared for our next meeting.

So feedback goes directly to Laura to respond on the email thread. Right?

Yeah. Go directly to me. I keep screwing that up, and I've called Michelle. I was just like, I don't mean to screw this up, but I don't understand what I'm doing wrong every time I send an email. No. I don't wanna, like, break it in. You know?

Well, she says don't reply all.

Yeah.

Right. So don't reply also if you have one on one. We didn't again, we took more fishing classes than than the moon, but these, like, Oh,

I Yeah. Yeah. I I get you got caught with a fishing. You have to do training.

Yeah. I'm like, I don't feel like I know as much as

What? Don't there. Play on.

They send it to, like, group mail. Yes. It's considered, like, a

A violation. Okay. So as long as you just pull down one

Yeah. Remove that. Like, let's say, cancel it. Any quota. Yeah. Yeah.

Gotcha. Basically, anytime you're there's three or more, it's a quorum. So that means it's an official meeting that we have to have posted and reported. So that's why you can't reply all because anytime three or more of us are talking about each pet business, it's it's technically a meeting, which has to be notified all the things.

Some shame.

That's it. That's the hitch. So if there's two of us Right.

Totally fine. And the world. Yes. The yes. As well. You and I are standing at

the tent at Biscuit Day and talking about this. Totally fine. But Cesar walks up. No. No.

No. It's a meeting now. Yeah. No. It can be two from one board and two from another board. Mhmm.

That would be okay.

Or we could not be talking about official business. Like, if we went out for dinner or something and we were not talking about HPAD, that's fine too.

Regarding What do you do is reply, which goes to this d list

Right.

Which has

everyone. Right. So got it. I get it now.

And regarding the phishing scams, if you are using Outlook, you can there's actually a pull down to I for the phishing scam.

I don't ever see it. I mean, I I look for it phishing, but I don't see it.

You got pull down?

Yeah. I don't see it.

Buried in there. It's they they made it harder to find. It used

to be really easy to find.

Yeah. And I I just gave up. I just

David, I can see this.

Supposed to be completely The last one

I the last one I saw was from Harry. So I clicked on it. You got caught.

Yeah. Okay.

Social media. I will tell you as far as social media goes, I see Natalie all the time because she's at church. And but I did send all of the Mhmm.

Way to be.

Yeah. It's a big, big file, and I sent that to and it's already been uploaded.

It's great.

So Gabby all already did it. So it's already on the site. All of the architectural survey data is online now. Yes.

You're just carry it around on your flash drive?

Yeah. I've got it on a flash drive, but what I had to do was verify what was on OneDrive. And then what wasn't on OneDrive and then upload it all into OneDrive. And that's why it took so long, but it's done. Okay.

The phase three surveys, again, we send the Harry said the bid on the email he sent me said, it was released to BidNet last week. Okay. And Harry and I met because I asked to meet him about something else. And during that meeting, we and we talked about he needed to submit the budget. And that's where we came up with 20,000.

Okay? And if during this period that we get landmark requests, then each plaque is a thousand dollars. Okay? It's a big square bronze plaque. And if you haven't seen one, go to 235 Wells, which is the old town hall, and then it's right on the front.

You can see it. And the thing that makes it so expensive is the original one that was done had a sand finish on it, and it's not smooth. It's called a sand finish, and they're only done back east. Nobody in in Colorado does it. We've tried.

Alright. So how many are out there now?

There's nine.

K. How many or how much would it cost to make it without the sand finish?

I don't know.

I mean, would it be cheaper to redo the nine than because this keeps coming around. Like, just redo the nine. And then from then moving forward

We find the local supply.

We find local supply. Three d printed nowadays.

Well, you know, that is something to look look into with the if we're gonna start doing a smooth finish, then we systematically work on the other one.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

We can do that too. And then Yeah. Be there for some time until we find budget. Mhmm.

We I mean, so if if a new landmark one is next to home landmark, then you do that?

What we would have to do what we would have to do then is create a a new layout for it. Yeah. Yeah. Because we have to send it to hurdle.

And it shouldn't be.

And if anybody else would say, this is new.

Exactly. That's why it's shiny. And

and and that really is what makes it so expensive is the sand finish. It is bronze. Yeah. So that itself makes it, you know, cost. Sure. But nobody in Colorado will do the tooling for a sand finish because we don't order enough.

Exactly. Yeah. Well, you could also see how much the first nine were to do. Yeah. Go on to the tenth one. Yeah. And then the same That

you know, that's something that we could work on and send out a few bids to company. Send out a few you know, send out a bid and see how much they would charge. Yeah. It's this. Yeah. Yeah.

Get them online.

Yeah. I'm not because, you know, we're the government, and we can't sole source any of that.

It's a lot of savings. You're

Erie Landmark company. Oh my gosh.

Is it the Landmark.

Erie, Colorado? Been through Erie, Pennsylvania. All the Erie Landmark. Yeah.

You tie all the history together, wouldn't it?

So yeah. And they're really not hard to install. I've done it. Yeah. Yeah. So

Yeah. Their national register plex are 77 to 486 tall.

Are are what? Those

well, I have to make sure it's done for me.

Yeah. See, we can't sole source anything.

Mhmm.

So now we have to bid it. Sure. So that's one thing about working for the government and not a nonprofit is you can't sole source anything.

For nonprofits. Yeah. Procurement policy.

Yeah. Tie

your hands. So yeah. He used to be in charge of nonprofits.

What's the size of those are?

Eight by eight?

They're 12 by 12.

Oh, that big.

Yeah. They are big. They are big and heavy.

And if they're cut down 10 by 10? Yes. It was oh, seriously. Like, this just keeps coming up. Like, we should find a solution that

Makes it a little more.

Makes it

a little bit.

Yeah. But Not such a hurdle. If you're going to replace them with a smaller one in the original ones, then you gotta drill four more holes. Okay. Alright. Fair enough. Yeah. So I'm just saying That's fine. No. That's someone gonna want you let you drive four more holes into their siding.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

They all have to match exactly, or is it okay if the current nine have the same finish and all future ones don't? That they all look the same from the street. They just up close look a little different.

You know, the homeowner's not gonna notice. No. Yeah.

No. Unless it's right next to him.

Unless they're unless they see it, the homeowner's not gonna notice.

Yeah. And and public won't even care if it is damaged.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because all you're gonna see is a bronze plaque.

Yeah. There's no

And and unless you walk up next to it, you're not gonna see the sand finish anyway.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. So there's no rule that says they have to match. Right? They're

You know, it's just some it's just something that Right. It's just something that, my predecessor, worked on for two and a half years trying to find somebody to do it. Sure. And a tune and it took them two and a half years to find anybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that's a sign that

we should find a different solution. Yeah.

Have to put in that place for her to have. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So She's already fine.

She's like, I already ordered them. I mean, Tuesday.

So it's what what we'll do then is so when the bids come back, right, I'll let I'll send them out. Right? So everybody can read them, and they're long. I'm not gonna kid you. There's a big document.

And but I would rather than try to go through them in a meeting, have them pre some have them pre reviewed. And then when we come to the meeting, we can make a quick decision or an informed decision. Because I don't want it to be like, this is what Harry and I recommend and everybody go, you know, because I just don't want that. So that's what it's been like before. And it's just not, you know so this is the first time in a long time, Melanie and Rachel know, that we've had the same people on the board for longer than a year.

It's been a long time, and you're coming up on a year. So

Time flies. Yeah. Pardon? Time flies.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Tax credits. Again, I don't know if you've had an opportunity to get in touch with History Colorado.

Well, I touch base with Malcolm first because I know he's been the one interested in gathering Yes. The town. So I need to know what specifics do you need so then I can go out and grab information. It seems like we can borrow a lot of the stuff that Laura's already put together, and I think what he probably wants is something that's digestible for the town residents to better understand is my understanding of it. Yeah. I received a response here from Malcolm, but I did email him this week, but working on that. And then my question, though, was on the railroad history grant stuff. Mhmm. I looked at the document you I think it's Stephanie had created or

Yeah. Yeah.

A while ago. I don't see any prompts or new prompts that can direct me to where I can find the original questions because I don't know where what specific funding we're applying from. Like, what is it the historical fund? And I also saw

It's a competitive grant.

Right. But where where are these questions is my question. Oh. It seems like we're sourcing questions from questions we've used previously. I'm not sure if they're still relevant or

Well, I can give you the whole file if you want me to send it to you.

Well, I just need to know, like, who's the funder here? Pardon? Who is the funder?

The funding is State Historical Fund.

State Historical Fund. Okay. Because I I did go to State Historical Fund, but I didn't see any usually, they have a website that says apply here. They give you prompts for questions. I didn't see any of that. So I'm not sure if the questions were still relying or or still

up

to date.

Well, it's actually if you go through History Colorado Mhmm. Is for the competitive brand, we essentially send it to History Colorado. But the money comes from the state historical fund. Right. But it's all done through History of Colorado.

Okay. Is there a specific well, I guess I can reach out to them and say, hey. Do you have questions for this grant opportunity for this?

We use use Lindsey Flewelling, doctor Flewelling. She's our main point of contact. She's the CLG coordinator for History Colorado. And we are a CLG, so we can communicate with them. So yeah. It's a it's f l e w e l l I n g.

Feel like we need to make, like, a, like, a five page history or HPAD document of all of this. Because I feel like I went through the same day. Was like, what are you talking? I'm so sorry to say, Cesar. I'm sorry to say

Yeah.

I You're just

at the one year mark that I was

Yeah. Yeah.

For me, I've been doing this for so long now.

Yeah.

And I've been doing this for so long that I sometimes forget that other people have not.

Right. And I I think what the other question too, Harry sent out the email saying that some of the grant opportunities might be impacted. There there might not be awards for this year or even into next year. So before we get too deep into it, we're just like, is there a funding availability? If so, where who can I reach out to to confirm that and potentially get updated questions if they are? Okay. Lindsay.

It's l I n d s e y. Okay.

Got it.

And so and that's she's CLG coordinator. Okay. And she's a PhD doctor. So she'll have answers.

But she's not scary. She's very

She's a she's been here. She's given us training, and she's just a great lady.

Oh, great resource. Pardon? She'll get back to she's a great resource.

And she replies very quickly.

Dude, you can go to Etsy and get a a flag for

I knew you really loved it. Yeah.

I'm fine. Yeah.

The x games?

No. Etsy. Etsy. If someone's Oh, Etsy. Yeah. Three d printing it. Yes.

Right. Anything on Etsy.

Alright. I guess I jumped from social media, and I listed the yeah. As you can see, the property documentation, and I gave you the website of where it is.

Mhmm. Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

So people, this gets this gets publicly transmitted. So that's why I included the the website. So if people wanted to see it

Yeah.

They could.

Oops. There it is. Interesting.

Oh, and it works. Yeah. Yeah.

Forgive me for going back. Was there anything on social media that

No. We have to yeah. And, again, Laura has a relationship with Natalie Ritterboss, and Natalie is our contact for social media.

Nothing there.

Nothing going on right now.

Thank you. Is

there anything that has not been discussed that you wanna bring up?

That Kenosha Farm or not

Kenosha Farm. Is that Kenosha Annex? Jerosa Farm? Yeah. Jerosa Barn?

Yes.

Jarosso Barn has been hasn't been I don't know. Has the annex been formalized?

You approved it.

How is that spelled?

I know you approved it. No. No.

No. No.

Until it actually becomes part of Erie.

Okay.

Okay? Because right now, it's still unincorporated volar. Oh, is it that part of where, you know Yeah.

So Like, there is a farm and

That's correct.

There's a

barn out there. Barn.

Yeah.

There's two buildings on that

Yeah. Yeah.

Property that the reason why I'm so concerned about the barn is in the twenties and the thirties, they had barn dances there. And it was a huge event. I would have up to 500 people. Wow. And for a an area that was very in the twenties and the thirties, there weren't a lot of people here. So to have 500 people at Barn Dance, this that is a real historical building, and that's why we need to save it.

And the and the owners aren't in favor of it.

No. Yeah. Yeah. They are in favor of landmarking. So and it's nothing they don't have to do anything. We pay for it all. Sure. So yeah. But, yeah, they they realize the importance of that bond. Yes.

What's the timeline for the end expenses?

We proved it. Okay. It's just I don't know how long it's back. Agreed. Yes. Yeah. But I don't know how long that whole official process takes behind the scenes.

Yeah. We probably have to find out.

Maybe Harry.

Yeah. Harry might know. He's planning. He would know.

Okay.

So I'll have to get in touch with Harry and say what's the status of the annex.

Or what's when is it officially?

Yeah. Because when it becomes official, then we're able to put it on our survey list. Mhmm. Right? Yep. It wouldn't be this one, but we could do it on our next one. And the reason why I didn't include on phase three this time, we didn't include Eagle Mind because we got hit last time. If you're talking Old Town phase on the master plan, why you have something outside of Old Town. Right? It's like

Because? Do want to know?

I don't wanna get into it, but it was just like the railroad history. You didn't identify enough buildings. Why do you think we're doing? Okay. If there's nothing else

Should I saw you had an email with something to do was it with tree advisory board, something about a park and being able to move the

Deepak. Oh, that's linear form. Linear Park.

Linear Park.

Yeah. And I've been asked to go to a meeting on Linear Park. Is it the tree board or anything?

Yes.

Yes. It is. Yeah. And so I've been asked to attend that meeting next month. Mhmm. So or August. I don't remember.

It should be next month.

And so I've been asked to attend that meeting because they're they're gonna discuss it. The Hobbs family has already told us we can have the building. Right. Right?

And they're saying that this may have room for

Oh, it definitely has room for it.

Right.

But half of it's I think, Brian and Anil, you don't know, I think half of it's already been recommended for a subdivision. Mhmm. No? I don't. Yeah.

Okay. It's there's these rumors, they keep coming up every few years.

But for those of you who don't know where Linear Park is, it's right there where those three tall trees are that used to be where the depot was.

Okay.

That whole area that's around it is Linear Park. Okay.

It seems like the perfect little Like,

where the rail bike benches are? No.

No. And given So they're three. It's

stairs. Exactly. I mean,

it comes in It's true.

Where are the stairs are?

How much is that plaque for

you? Good morning. Yeah. Thanks.

Good evening. Sure.

Good evening. Yeah.

If you go to High Street and just walk straight down High Street

Right?

Right there.

Until you get to the tracks Uh-huh. To your right will be The Lanier Park. Okay.

Linear parking is

And then right across from that I'm looking to see designated. The depot.

I've seen the depot. You can send a number linear park. Okay.

Yeah. So So that the recommendation is just lift it across the track. Cold migrants for that. Well

That's the sticking point.

That is it's all about money. Part here.

The Montessori school is going here. That's where the

So the tree board is that's the end

of their meeting. That's not you're gonna go to the big

Yeah. And so they they said, hey.

And I'm not sure.

We know you're talking about the Depot Lanes. And everything.

And Bob.

And Bob. Yeah. There.

How about you? Bob. Yeah.

Bob. I mean, it's

nothing's ever that easy.

Is there any other question, please?

A big deal. That's the easy half.

Yeah. And the rail line

is here, and then it

Right.

Went up this way too.

So it went on the the the

Well, Burlington actually went straight up High Street.

Middle The alleyway. Field.

Yeah.

That's Carr Street. So, like, we got

Well, it says it So many If you go to it Yeah. And look They got a

train or they're sitting at the

Where the little platform is that used to be there, that's a section house.

Gotcha.

And then if you look down it on on Carr Street, you have to go on the other side of the fence.

Gotcha. Yeah.

There's two there's those three open fields two open fields, that's where the track was.

Right. So that's what they're saying to put it somewhere in that vicinity or the little outcropping area.

Yeah.

Well, no brain.

You can do things like pus game. Well

It all comes you know, you gotta put it on a crane and then lift it over and

I'm saying it's easy. Just do a picture.

I know. I I

That'll be done with it instead. And then you

could do it for free. Right?

Right. Yeah.

I'm working on bills. You just do a little of this, little of that. It's just Yeah. Okay.

If there's nothing else, I call this meeting adjourned.

Yeah. He's on the twenties.

Thanks, guys. That was an hour. I didn't think we'd make it an hour.

Chatting a bunch, Mike.

No.

Have a good night.