Historic Preservation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

the Erie Historic Preservation Advisory Board meeting to order. Pledge of allegiance, please. Oh, they moved it again. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. You have something to write with. Okay. Normally there's pens here. A roll call. Well, before we start, I'd like to welcome our new member, Kelsey Bebo. Give us a 30-second intro.

I'm, like you said, Kelsey Bebo. That's how you pronounce the last name in case you read it and thought, what the heck? I'm a registered professional archaeologist and historian. I'm a consultant for a company based in Denver. I'm the historical and cultural resources manager. So I do a lot of national historic preservation work. or Preservation Act work and compliance for local, state, and federal governments across the country.

Thank you. Okay, we'll do roll call. Mike Turner, here. Alex Wicks, here. Cesar Jimenez, here. Kelsey Bebo, here. Rachel Folger, here. Okay, we have two absent. We have D'Andrea and Laura absent. I also have, of course, we have our town rep. We have Brian and Anil from the council and then Luke Bollinger, town staff. Josh Campbell, town staff.

And then also, Ron, you want to quickly introduce yourself?

Yeah, hi, Ron Sladek. I'm the consultant you've engaged for the project on the Erie Mine site.

Thanks, Ron. Thanks. Jeff, what's your last name again?

Campbell, C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L.

Okay. All right. And from this point, what we did is instead of going to just, well, agenda, did you guys get to see the agenda? Right here. I need a motion, please.

I move to approve the agenda as written.

Second.

Rachel has moved that we accept the agenda as written, seconded by Cesar. All in favor? Aye. Got to raise your hand. Everything we do is being recorded. OK. Has everybody read the minutes? I need a motion.

Motion to approve the minutes.

Second.

To declare these minutes or previous?

No, the ones from April. Alex's motion, we accept the minutes as written, seconded by Cesar. All in favor? Aye. Unanimous. Thank you. Now we'll go on. Before we get into general business, we have two presentations for us. And first one is, oh, they want us to do elections, but I'm going to do it after we do this. So, Luke, you want to go? Jason, you want to go first? Or Josh, you want to go first?

Sure. I have two things I want to talk about tonight. First one is a little bit more time sensitive, but if you may recall, or if you have heard at least, in January of this year, council directed staff to look at some amendments with the comprehensive plan that was adopted back in October of 24. Those amendments that we've been asked to evaluate and bring forth in the coming months were some changes to the land use district specifically. Within the comp plan and a few of the designations or specifically a few parcels in their designations as it related to what's currently adopted the residential medium. Council's asked us to divide that into two new categories, a residential medium low and then a residential medium. and look at how that is associated with specific parcels in town. There are only three parcels that are being looked at. However, taking a step back, when the PAC or the comprehensive plan was created, we had what was called the PAC. So it was a plan advisory committee. It was made up of members of all our different advisory boards who were responsible Communicated with throughout the process kept aware was just another party to provide feedback comments and things like that We want to read bring that pack back together so they can review these council amendments or the council directed amendments however What we have noticed is we never had an official representative from HPAB when we were doing the comprehensive plan update. So the reason I am here today is to ask if you would be willing to nominate two people to be on that reviewing party. Reviews will be sent out tomorrow to all of the individuals. And due to the very quick timeline we have, especially with needing to redo the votes with our advisory boards. We only have about a two week period. What I would be asking you to do is to review these minor items that are being asked of us of council and then provide any feedback that you may have that we would incorporate into our next steps, which is our suggestions to council on these changes. So what I am asking, if there are two people who are willing to volunteer, it'd be much appreciated. The efforts should be fairly easy. They're pretty straightforward changes. And there's, in reality, only three things that are being adjusted in the entire plan. So I want to turn that back over to everyone here.

Before I assign somebody, does anybody have an inkling to volunteer?

Well, can I ask a question?

Sure.

Like there's meetings?

So it'll be entirely online. I'll just send an email with a document attached where I'd be asking you to provide any feedback back to me directly through email. In terms of review time, you could probably read through everything in less than five minutes. There's that few changes being proposed. However, obviously, if you have any follow-up questions, things like that, that you feel need extra information on, we can coordinate those efforts and I'd be willing to have conversations.

Is there any future meetings?

No, it would just be one review. The reason why there's one review is to start the adoption process for these amendments. We have to have everything submitted by July 17th. So it's a very quick timeline in terms of asking for the review of the different advisory boards. That way I can prepare everything ahead of time for the actual application.

Rachel, you want to do it?

I have another question.

Yeah.

So you're saying there's three properties in town that are changing their density? Correct.

Well, their proposed land use, which does take into consideration density, land use is still just visionary. There's no regulation behind it. Just for transparency's sake, that's 111th and Arapahoe. It's about 20 acres on the southwest corner. There's about four and a half acres within southwest Old Town, right off of, I believe, Anderson and Main Street. I will write adjacent to linear park. Yes. An intersection of, if there was an intersection there, it'd be main and Anderson. And then there's the former page. former Coal Creek property that the town was exploring as a joint venture for affordable housing as well as open space. However, council decision and direction on that was to revert that to just parks and open space. So with this amendment adjustment, we'll just be making that automatic change as well.

That's what I was going to ask about. So that has been brought to my attention by several people from the town.

Yeah. And I think it was probably three weeks ago that decision was made maybe a month ago, um, to revert that to parks and open space. So with this amendment update, we'll make that adjustment to the map as well. Okay.

So you're just looking for the opinions from the boards or you're looking for like a yes, no, any, any and all.

So any comments you may have on behalf of the board, um, um, I will say the changes are fairly directed, pretty straightforward. However, if there's a difference of opinion on these changes from the advisory boards, we still want to hear it. Um, and we want to make sure we're bringing forth that information to our, um, amendment procedures. That way, whether there's disagreements with the direction we've been given, that information is still on the table for everyone to hear.

Yeah. Ultimate decision is made by council.

Council will be the ultimate decision. And, um, Based off our timeline of projections, our hopeful goal is to go to council in September, but we have to go to planning commission first, which will be the first week of August.

The reason why I'm asking, Rachel, is of all of us here, you would have the most knowledge.

Sure.

Okay.

That's fine.

And Cesar, you want to follow up?

Sure.

Okay.

Well, I will email both of you tomorrow morning with follow-up documents and information. Every other advisory board is going to be contacted the same exact time. Again, I'm hopeful that we can do it about a week and a half, two weeks turnaround. But obviously, if they run into any issues with that, please feel free to coordinate with me, and I will try to work with you on it. That's update number one. The second update I have for you all, I wanted to come back after last fall, we did the historic old town social capital exercise where we were out just having conversations with the community and just hearing what they felt, their relationships to the community. General understanding of what was going on in the community. Again, just as a reminder, we didn't go to the community with any projects in mind. We just wanted to hear what the community was feeling and their feedback. One of the things that we heard that's really emerging was there's a little bit of disconnect of kind of what the vision, the branding, the identity of what historic Old Town is. One of the things that was really discussed is there's historic Old Town bricks and there's historic Old Town residential bricks. And while they are in the same geographic area, they operate kind of as two separate entities, when in reality they should be seen as one collective neighborhood. So what we are considering with that early on kind of findings and knowledge is preparing to go and doing a vision exercise. That is something we're still kind of building the scope on, but essentially we want to go out to the community and provide them an opportunity to provide what's the vision of what you see historic Old Town becoming in the future. Again, not necessarily going with projects or concepts in mind, but just providing an opportunity to focus in on this branding identity issue or concern that was separated. And so one of the pieces we wanted to do is come to you all because historic nature is something we anticipate coming about and hearing about. And we wanted to make sure you were all aware of it. At this time, we don't have a scope and a timeline built. It's something we're still working on, but ultimately we want to try to coordinate these efforts with you all as well. And as we have outreach events, have surveys, have coordination, we wanted to extend that invitation for you to be a part of those conversations as well. Again, that's still very high level. I don't have a timeline at this moment, but our anticipation is probably early fall kicking that off. What I can probably suggest and would probably make the most sense is once we have that scope kind of finalized is coming back and meeting with you guys for one more meeting before we do anything and kind of just walking through and then providing concrete steps of where we think it would be great to get you integrated, assuming that you would like to be part of the conversation as well.

Well, we're right at the point now that we're ready to ask

the council for an opportunity to send out letter and survey so that would basically fall right in step with what you're doing a little bit yeah it would be it would be a little more specific than we're trying to get at least in these conversations but ultimately i know with the with this board's goal of doing a historic district um part of that may see providing direction and going that for us. Uh, but ultimately the work that we'll be doing or the conversations that we having might not get that specific of us bringing concepts and ideas, asking for community direction on those yet. Um, we would probably see after this vision exercise would complete, um, having a better understanding of what projects and goals, um, as town staff we would suggest or bring forth. Uh, but obviously, um, There's definitely going to be overlap. And I think that's an effort that we can coordinate with.

Why don't we set up a time and whenever you want, look at your calendar and then contact me and we'll set up a meeting. Okay. So we can get planning and us involved.

Yeah, we definitely want to try to get that coordinated. And like I said, I want to make sure I bring that early on. That way everyone's aware of what's going on and There's no confusion, especially when you hear the word historic, because the neighborhood, we're referring to it as historic Old Town. So we just want to make sure that you're part of the conversation from the get-go.

Okay. Thanks.

Yeah. Thanks, Josh. Any questions?

You're up, Mr. Bollinger. Okay. We're going to see if this works here. It's going to be your first go at sharing a screen here, so bear with me.

Yeah. Kelsey, we don't normally do this. But, you know, he's a director now, so. Okay, here we go.

Ron, can you do a sound check for me, please?

Yes, I'm here.

Okay. All right. Great. All right. Well, good evening, everybody. I'm Luke Bollinger. I'm the director of Parks and Recreation. And one of the tasks that I was assigned this year was looking at the Eagle Mine site, which is there at I-25 and Erie Parkway. It's the only mine that we have in town that has above ground structures that are still intact. One of the things that it's not is historically landmark, which does not make it eligible for any state historical fund dollars. And also just kind of leaves it wide open. So one of the things that town management asked me to do was get it surveyed so that we could possibly landmark it. It also makes it eligible for state and national registry. But I think the first step would be to local landmark. And then that again, what that would leave us open to opportunities with state historical fund. So going back to the State Historical Fund, a few months ago, we applied to the rolling planning grant application process with the State Historical Fund and were awarded $10,260 from the State Historical Fund planning grant program with the remaining $1,140 cash match locally funded through y'all's operating budget. So the total project cost is $11,400. According to the talent purchasing policy, I had to get at least two quotes. And Ron with Tatanka Associates provided the most comprehensive project proposal for this. So we contracted with Ron and Tatonka to conduct the site survey and we had we had a kickoff meeting last week and as part of the state historical fund requirements we are presenting to you so Ron can talk a little bit about the process and the project that he's going to be starting here in just a few weeks and then he will bring back to you a draft report for review He will take comments at that time, and then we'll revise a report, and then we'll present that to town council. So with that, I will turn it over to Ron to kind of talk a little bit about the project.

Okay. Do you have me on the screen there?

Yeah, we're all kind of looking at you up here on the big screen.

Okay. Oh, good. It worked. Okay.

There was a huge lack.

Sure. Or it was just my voice, perhaps. Well, hello, everyone. My name, again, is Ron Sladek.

Can you just call your last name, please? Sure.

S, as in Sam, L-A-D-E-K, Sladek.

Oh, okay. Thank you.

I'm calling you from my office here in Fort Collins. So I'm just up the I-25 or 287, depending on which route you take. I wanted to introduce myself briefly and then talk with you about the project itself. I'm actually a native of the area, born and raised in Denver. My family's been here since the 1890s. I went to undergrad and graduate school at CU near to Erie and have been working in the field of historic preservation as a consultant for 38 years. So I'm well into my career. And I work on properties. I'm based in Fort Collins and do a lot of my work in Colorado. But I also work up into Wyoming and Utah and Idaho, Nevada, South Dakota. So I'm really a regional historical consultant. And just to give you an idea of the range of projects I work on, I do historic building surveys. I've written about 80 landmark nominations, most of those to the National Register, but some to state and local registers as well. A lot of Section 106 work under the National Historic Preservation Act in multiple states. And I do a lot of planning studies as well. I've written preservation plans for small towns like Windsor and Lafayette to larger places like Colorado Springs and Salt Lake City. I just finished a survey plan for the city of Aurora and just turned in a survey study for the town of Minton up in the mountains. Those are the types of projects I work on. So I have a real range of projects. I guess you would call it expertise in a broad range of subjects. So I'm able to tackle almost any subject that comes my way in the field of history and architecture and historic sites documentation. So this project in particular, I was first actually approached about this project in 2019. I looked back through my old emails, found that that was when someone from the town of Erie reached out to me initially about this. Oh, I should also mention real quickly that I also put Rock Creek Farm on the National Register, which is just outside of Erie, which has the Sunnyside mine site on it. So I've dealt with local coal mining the subject of local coal mining in that belt stretching from Superior and Marshall all the way up to Frederick and Firestone. So I know the area very well. I'm still working on a study in Lafayette. So I've dealt with coal mining and historic resources associated with that and with the town of Lafayette that I'm still working on. We'll be wrapping up in the next month or so. Anyway, with the Eagle Mine site, this is going to be a pretty straightforward scope of work. There'll be some field work completed out at the site within the next few weeks to get the property itself documented. I'll be doing a deep dive in terms of research on the history of the Eagle Mine and of mining in the Erie area. in particular, I'll be producing a project report, which is the first deliverable for this effort. And then that will be submitted to the HPAB as well as History Colorado for review, specifically the State Historical Fund. And then once I get comments back, I'll wrap up the project report, but then Based upon what the findings are, that is expected that we'll be converting that into a landmark nomination for local landmark designation by the town of Erie. So that's the character of the project. Like I said, it's a pretty straightforward project. A lot of effort put into it, but the work itself is typical of this type of project. There's nothing really unusual coming up here. So I wanted to touch base with you this evening to introduce myself and the project and see if you had any questions. And I do have one request for you guys as well as we get through some questions or comments here.

Ingo, mine is my baby, so.

Rachel, you know people who work there. Yeah.

That's what I worked on a few months ago was finding local people that work there that would go walk the site and actually show us where stuff was to eliminate a lot of the research. Because they're still alive and well, so you don't need to guess, oh, maybe this was. No, no, they'll tell you, oh, this was so-and-so.

Rachel, if you have that information, I'd love to pass that to Roland.

Sure. Yeah, I had two guys that said they would be willing to do that.

Yeah, the mine closed in 78, but we still have people alive that work there. Yeah, that'd be great.

Okay.

Capture their stories, too. Kelsey, you know where the mine is.

Any other questions for Ron?

Is this an architectural survey, a above-ground survey, or are you doing any archaeological investigation?

There's no archaeological component to this project, so it will be all surface and above ground and largely research-based, but documenting also what's there on the site. So I heard someone there, Rachel, I guess is your name, mentioning that there's some recent research information based upon a walkthrough of the property. So if there is anything that you guys have on hand or know of that would be helpful for this project, I would sure appreciate knowing about that. And the best way to get that to me would be directly through Luke. You can send anything to him or send contact information to him, and then he'll forward that on to me. The budget on this project is, as you heard, somewhat limited. It's not a fat project as far as budget goes. We do have a good amount of time to work on it, but the budget itself will be limiting. So anything that can help jumpstart the research on the project would be much appreciated.

Great. Thank you, Ra.

I appreciate the opportunity. And I'll be there to meet with you in person, of course, down the road. Luke and I thought that this first time might be fine to do this just online because it's a very brief introduction. But I'll be meeting with you in person and we'll get to know each other. And I'll join your meeting at the appropriate moment or moments as we reach some milestones in the project.

And you have a good evening, Ron. Thanks, Rod.

Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you for the opportunity to work on this. I'm definitely looking forward to getting going on it.

Awesome. All right, Ron, we'll be talking. Thank you, sir.

Okay, thank you.

Bye-bye.

You say that $10,000, was that a grant?

Yes, the $10,260 came from the State Historical Fund. We have to match it just a little bit. Yes, matching with $1,140 out of the HPAP operating.

And you already have that, right?

That's correct. Yeah. You already cut me a chip. I'm just kidding. Single dollar bills.

Any other questions for me before I jet? Hey, thanks, Luke.

Absolutely, yeah. Thanks, Josh.

I'll stay around just in case there's any follow-up questions. Thanks, everybody.

I'm going to get Eagle Mine surveyed for five years.

That's good.

Yeah, and if you all remember, we had tried to include the Eagle Mine as part of our Phase 3 survey package. So from our historic preservation plan, we had this long list of resources that we wanted to survey and we've broken it up into various phases. And so we've done a first phase, a second phase, and we're currently, well, we'll talk about this a little bit later too, but we're working on a third phase. And so we had originally tried to include Eagle Mine in that third phase, but some of the History Colorado reviewers Didn't feel like it was related to the rest of the structures that were primarily in Old Town.

We thought it was sort of a strange distinction.

In any case, so it got pulled out. And luckily, Luke has had a lot of luck with grant applications like this in the past, too. So he was able to get it going on its own track.

And we tried to do railroad history, and it got turned down because we didn't identify enough buildings. What do you think we're doing this for?

Yeah, there's only one guy left at SHPO office. Yeah, he's tough.

Okay, we got planning. Okay, the work plan, did you guys get a chance to look at it? The work plan I sent you, remember our last meeting in April, I told you that in July I would have to do a presentation to, unless that's been pushed back to August, I don't know. So I told you I would send you a copy of it and I did. Did you get a chance to see it?

I did. Was that attached? Yeah.

Oh, that was the presentation.

Okay. I didn't open that one.

Okay. Cause on a, I always send out a meeting packet.

Okay.

I didn't send it Friday. I sent it Saturday. Well, Sunday morning, Saturday night, but.

Okay.

Have you, yeah. Have you had any issues with, or is your email set up?

It's set up. Yeah. I was on vacation until this morning.

Yeah. Sorry.

I didn't ask for it. Yeah.

Okay, this is when HPAB does its presentation, I take like five or ten minutes. I don't do like half an hour like some of them. So I only have like five or six slides. They changed it from a semi-annual. I used to have to do February and September. Now they're doing one year, they're doing a year. So that's why it's called a 2027 work plan instead of update. Next slide. Okay. And there's currently, that may change. And Kelsey, I got you. And you can see why I call them an EEL. Okay, what the phase three is essentially what it is. There's 25 structures that we've identified to be intensive surveys. And we sent the budget in. We got a recommendation from all four reviewers for full funding. Unfortunately, History Colorado has not received funding from state or federal yet. So we know we've been funded, we just don't know when yet. Okay, and right along with what Josh was saying, the Historic District, we're right at the point that I'm ready to ask the council if we can go ahead and send letters to the town. And I'm working on the railroad history context now. I hope to have it ready for grant submission in January. Next.

That was just for a 2026 recap. And then 2027 is like mostly working on this.

It's going over the same stuff.

Yeah.

Okay. You can go on. Okay, and Alex here is doing the tax incentives for us. One of the things they asked us to do is to stay in contact with the community as well with the other boards. And we do the town fair, we do the biscuit day, although this year may not happen. And then as far as the other boards, we go with a tree board and a sustainability board for Arbor Day. And we actually met with a tree board on Linear Park in the future, moving the train depot from the Hobbs property over to Linear Park. Next. And then any questions? It's pretty quick.

Hey, Mike. It's on for July 28th.

July 28th, yeah. Okay. And we'll have a meeting before then, but the day before.

Yeah, they'll probably ask for this presentation in a couple weeks.

Yeah, I normally get, I've been waiting for Michelle to tell me.

Yeah.

So, but I knew it was in July. I was told in July. So, we are ready. Any questions or any comments about that?

How are you going to ask council about getting a nod to do this?

When we get to the historic district and explain what we've done so far, this is our next step.

Right ahead of time that that answer might come up or question might come up.

I maybe I'll have to talk with the clerk's office because, yeah, I'm not I'm not sure whether the board presentations typically counsel is probably not making decisions on items and that they're mostly just listening. So maybe that's a conversation I can have with the clerk's office of whether we would want to schedule some follow up like discussion session.

I can we can do a separate presentation then.

It's just, it's typically a decision wouldn't be made.

Yeah.

It's more just like a listen.

Yeah. This is informational. So yeah. Okay. Yeah. I can do that. I can go in August or September and do it. Okay.

Sounds good. Yeah. I can think about that to work with the time. Click a little bit.

All right.

Mike, is there any way we can put just budgeting, what we've used it so far, some of it has gone to match grant contracts, just allocations of the funding so far?

Yeah, I can add that.

I can help you out with those numbers.

Yeah. That's a good idea.

I think we used that for some of the forwards and splits. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Cause we're being asked now to give our budget for 2027 and we're not even halfway through 2026 yet. Thanks Susan. Okay. Budget report.

So I need to find Someone who will send me the budget snapshot every month. Like they used to, because after Deborah retired, uh, I haven't been getting it consistent. I don't have the exact number, but our budget is roughly 17,000 this year. And I will do better next time.

Okay. Planning.

I don't think there's anything, no pre-application meetings there. Of course, there's always new businesses and things coming in on the phone, but no demo of existing buildings has come up. Some of these infill, like the 130 wells, that's still progressing, so we're still working on... working with that developer to fine tune some of the designs of the building.

And is Lucille's still being considered or did Rhonda pull that?

So they have, we approved a site plan for that expansion. And I believe she has since sort of not, Well, yeah, I don't think she's made a decision about whether she wants to pursue the construction or not. So they did construct a new door that gives them a little easier access to the patio, but I don't know what the status is of the addition. I don't know if she's going to wind up pursuing that or not.

There was something that town was asking. I totally didn't understand it, but something about trees.

Yeah. There was something about a tree that complicated her design, but I think in the end she got a site plan approval. So I think it's sort of in her court whether she wants to pursue the construction or not.

Laura isn't here tonight. We mentioned a lot about historic district. We do not have an assigned historic district in the town of Erie. So we're trying to get Old Town established. but you need 51% of the residents within that district to approve it. And so right now we've been in the informational stage. Now we're moving into getting information into their hands, a survey, if you will. Okay. Local or national? It's easier to do local. There's a lot of tax benefits to go with that. Social media was also Laura. I believe on the 27th is Rail Bike. Is that it, Rachel? Saturday is the Rail Bike thing?

No. It's on postponement.

Oh, it's been postponed?

Yes, because the town, y'all, I don't know, something about there was concern about where people were going to park. And the town said, well, we just planted all these nice little shrubberies by the new bridge so we can't have people out. So it's postponed.

Okay. I'm sure they were happy about that. I'm sure the governor was happy about that.

As long as it happens this year, then the governor.

Yeah. Okay. Phase three surveys. I basically did a quick on it. We have 25 buildings. And I'm going to say structures because there's mostly houses. But the depot is on it. The middle school is on it. And again, we've been given full funding up to $25,000. So we still have a vendor and we owe them. So $10,000 will come out of our budget. So for year 2026, we asked for $20,000 because we knew this was coming.

I have been given the vendor various intermittent updates.

And they say, okay, okay.

Yeah, they're still interested. But yeah, we're still just waiting for it.

Still waiting for money. Okay. Tax credits. Mr. Wicks.

Yep. Just to recap where we are, because I think I missed the last meeting and we didn't have one last month. So I put together all that information and I wrote up um, some documentation for the eventual handouts that will go out into old town residents. The other, the other next step I thought we should pursue was adding information to the Erie town website as well on how to apply for tax credits. But I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to like get that going. So I'm looking for that.

That would have to go through, uh, the communication branch. And that's, uh, And that's Gabby?

I can send an introduction email. Awesome. And just explain what we're looking to do. Cool. Yeah.

Awesome. You don't know Gabby, right? Mm-hmm. OK. But she's the director of communication. So we have to go through her. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. OK. The Railroad History Grant. You know, I put together a booklet for the 150th, a brief history. So I've been using that and I kind of reworded it to make it look like, but that's all UP. It has nothing to do, Union Pacific. It doesn't say anything about Burlington. So this week I've started researching Burlington. And so I have to make appointments to go to Greeley, go to Boulder, and go to Denver to gander through those things. I'm thinking we know enough now. We may be able to do it ourselves without having to hire a vendor. I don't know, but that's what I'm working on.

Are you reaching out to BNSF?

No, I haven't yet. Yeah, I haven't been with them yet. I do have a contact with RTD. Okay. When we did the rail bike, I don't know if you were with us that time, we did a walkthrough. And one of the guys that was on the walkthrough with us was RTD. So I have his card. So I have a contact with RTD, which would get me through Burlington. So, yeah. But I've only started on it. So it's gathering all this info is just time consuming.

Have it done next month.

Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Okay. I said expected to resubmit May 26th. Now it's going to be the 27th. We're way past May, I think. Okay. And has anybody got anything new to bring up?

I was curious about a A property in Old Town that I was just passing by it on my bike, and it looked like a historic property with a lot of work being done to it. Just curious if anybody knew anything about it. It's that building on, goodness, Cheeseman and Cattell. I think it's going to be a restaurant. What Grandma's Kitchen was?

The Italian restaurant?

Yeah.

That used to be a small restaurant. Yeah. Grandma's kitchen.

I'm guessing that's not like a historic structure.

There is nothing on Cattell that qualifies. There may be one building in about five years after it reaches 50 years, but there is nothing on Cattell at this point.

I wouldn't say nothing. There are a few 1800s minor shacks on Cattell still standing. So I wouldn't say that. Actually, I viewed one the other day. that was a minor shack, and then they built a house around it. Yeah. In the 70s. It's still inside.

Really?

Yeah. It was wild.

Well, the minor shack is there. I know what you're talking about, but the facade completely changes. And that's what the deal is, is when they change the facade. I'll have to look at it again.

I think there's one.

I know there's older buildings there, but a lot of them have been modified to the point like the Broadmoor house. That one's been modified so many times you can't even see the original houses.

So they're historic but not eligible.

That is correct. and if there's nothing else and i call this meeting you gotta do we we have to do election oh election i'm sorry you almost got out of it yeah okay uh we have to do elections of officers

And so currently, of course, Mike is chair. DeAndrea is vice chair, who unfortunately is not here tonight. And Melanie was secretary, and she's no longer on the board. So it is a little tricky, I guess, without knowing whether DeAndrea would look to retain her vice chair designation, but...

I don't think she's adverse to it.

I don't think she's adverse to it. I think even though she's not present, you all wanted to nominate her. Keep that position. Or you could nominate anybody else that wants to volunteer.

We had the same situation with Sustainability.

They were not there, but we just continued. Okay, good enough. Everybody said, let's go. If that's what you all want to do, if somebody else wants to volunteer, that's fine too. We can.

So we'll open nominations for chair.

So in tree board, the clerk's office gave him a chart to work with.

They did that on planning commission too. I was hesitant because I felt like people didn't want to do the source or, or were sort of adverse when we did that scoring sheet for the, I know what you mean. Yeah. So I was a little reluctant. We could, um, I mean, I don't know that there's any particular rush if we wanted to push this off to the next beating and would rather have some kind of scoring chart. We could consider that too.

If you guys want a scoring chart, we can do it in July.

It's up to you guys. I just didn't know if the clerk's office just wanted to be done.

They wanted it done now.

It's not that, but consistent. They actually didn't provide any instructions, which is different from obviously how we were doing the nomination.

Michelle's been on vacation.

It was on vacation, so that may have something to do with that. Yeah. But yeah, they didn't give any instruction this time on how to do it. So in the past, we've done it sort of just whoever volunteers we can. I guess we haven't had a lot of competition for those seats in the past. So usually there hasn't been.

Not many people want to be chair. Unless Caesar wants to be chair.

Yeah.

Rachel.

Thank you.

Not yet.

Yes, I'm willing to continue. Okay. And I'm sure D'Andrea would. But we need a secretary. Somebody do the minutes. I can do the minutes from the video. That's what I used to do them before. That's why I was writing. So I'll take care of the minutes. But we need a secretary. Okay.

And that's the primary role is just helping take notes during the meeting. And then I can, in association with the clerk's office, probably give a little training on how to put it into minutes.

There's a format that has to be used. That's it. But we used to have, before Harry and Dennis came, Uh, the secretary used to do the purchasing for us. Right. But now with the town, the way it does things now is everything is through our plan, our liaison now. So the secretary really doesn't do that anymore. It's basically taking minutes basically. So you want to be secretary? You didn't say no. Yeah. Well, we can wait until next month to figure that out and give you a chance. Cause I can do the, I'll do the minutes cause it wants to do. I watch it online and I do the, yeah.

Do we, do we want to, I guess, wait, do we want to do chair and vice chair tonight and secretary wait till next month or do we just want to wait till next month?

Just do it all next month. Okay.

Would it be helpful to have vote sheets or we could do blind vote sheets or a scoring sheet if we wanted to or if it's fine, if you all feel comfortable just in sort of this informal...

It's always been...

I was going to come back later and say, I should have used this process.

That already happened once.

If we get that cleared up, I'm okay with it.

Yeah. Okay. So then, yeah, let's just do it next month. There's no particular reason to do it tonight. And obviously we don't have a full slate of people tonight.

Okay. We'll postpone it till July meeting. That works. Okay. And that will be July 27th. Yes. We all be here. Aloha. Okay. With all that done, I call this meeting adjourned.