Airport Economic Development Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Alright. Today is Thursday, October 16, and I'm calling the airport economic development advisory board meeting to order. Okay. We'll start out with the roll call and verification of quorum. Michael Bowden is not here. Kevin Kane is not here. Emmett Dowling, that is me. Paul Huff Tailing Here. Andrew McLean Lee, not here. Lyle Martin Here. And Jennifer Webb. Alright. We do have quorum. Starting. Alright.

Michael sent out the the oh, sorry. The start out the agenda first. Did everybody have a chance to look at the agenda? K. Here. Move to approve. Move to approve. Thanks. K. All in favor? Aye. K. Alright. And then Michael did send out the last meeting's minutes. Did everybody have a chance to look? Yep. We can do the pledge. Oh, yeah. Let's do that. That got taken off there.

Alright. I want you stopped.

I pledge allegiance. I do

pledge allegiance to start of the meeting.

I pledge allegiance to flag of

The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Alright. Thank you, Miles. That gets kinda taken off of there. Okay. Previous meeting minutes. Everybody have a chance to look at those? They just got sent out a couple days ago, I think.

I did. Okay.

Alright. We can table that to the next meeting then. Alright. Public comments. Every

make sure everybody's signed in. Has everybody put their name on the sheet? Excellent. And it's Is there anybody that wants to speak?

Here to listen.

Oh, that's great.

He's here to listen, but I wanna complain about the airport noise in Erie. Out of control.

Alright. I I don't have to step on your toes here, but

if We need a public comment.

Right. We have to do a public comment period, which is right now. If you wanna speak, you just say who you are, and you have three minutes. Say whatever comments you want. Once your three minutes is up, we'll let you know, and then we need to move on

to the next person.

I will sit and let you Thanks for coming.

Okay. Alright. Well, with that, if nobody else wants to speak, we'll move on to general business.

You should do you you do wanna say something or no?

Just sit and be a spectator

right now. Great. Alright. Officer reports, chair Huff Tailing.

Two things. This is great. We've never had this many people come, so welcome. And the only other thing, I'm not I normally run the meetings, but I got a cold. And after a while, you wouldn't be able to hear me. And this is for other board members. I got an email from Natalie Ritterbos asking if one of us wants to participate in a channel eight recording of to talk about the airport board.

Yeah. They're doing it for all the advisory boards. The tree board was posted yesterday. So anybody but Paul.

I really don't I really don't wanna do it. I kinda put her off and I told her we're having this meeting today and I'd ask. So if any of you all are interested in doing it, feel free. I would prefer not to.

All volunteers. All volunteers, please step forward.

Oh, here

it is.

Nobody wants to do it? I feel like particularly.

This is Kevin Kanes. Oh, okay. Like, isn't

he doesn't he do this for the Denver Airport? That I don't know, but it's a good question.

I think this

is Unfortunately, he's not here.

He's not. But on the other hand, I have

to put his name there.

All the time, he's

not here.

So Kevin okay.

So Kevin Kevin's in, I guess. I'll let him know. Unanimous. Right? You know how that goes.

Know? Perfect. It's a whole I got to say. Okay.

Let's see here. Vice chair Dowling had planned to bring a resolution today before the board, and I sent it out to everybody. I don't know if anybody saw it. Basically, it's a resolution in favor of putting signage on Main Street because when County Line closed, now we've got traffic that doesn't want to take the longer route to get to Highway 7, and they're coming down Main Street. They're going down the three business driveways there, and then they're accessing the airport and driving through the airport.

The other day, we witnessed four motorcyclists all riding through the airport to get through the airport, to get to the other side. Clearly, that's not something we want to promote. And and my idea was to put a sign on Main Street that said no through traffic. It's not gonna stop the problem, but it's a way of trying to mitigate that problem. And in my opinion, a gesture of goodwill.

Oh, thank you. Oh, okay. So, anyway, that's that's all I have to talk about at this report. Did he see it? It didn't go on the agenda, so it's it's not really part of the business of this Can't

really do anything about it tonight.

But I just wanted to bring it to your attention. You know, we've got one business member right here, Connor with Odyssey pilot hours. They see plenty of traffic coming down their driveway that shouldn't be because it's private property. So and I'm not sure the how or the why people think it's gonna benefit them to go through, but it's been happening. So that's it. That's all I have for that.

Well, your question, the advisory boards don't typically have resolutions because there's not really meeting packets. But as a board, you guys can make a motion in of itself for anything. Like, if you just wanna have a motion to put signs up absent the resolution, you can do that.

But not a formal resolution. Correct. We'd have to wait, post it, and then Mhmm. Alright. So we'll kick it to the next meeting.

We've no. We've done resolutions in the past.

Yeah. There advisory boards are not, like, for council. There's packets, and there's links online for downloading resolutions, and it's part of it. That doesn't happen for advisory boards.

Oh, okay.

They're making advisory recommendations to the council, so it's just a motion too. The resolution, I think, helps you, but the motion would be by you all anyway whether there's a resolution or not.

Okay. Gotcha. But what is need to be listed on the agenda to

If you're formulating something. Sure. Alright.

We'll table that for the next meeting then.

Sorry. Get what? Main Street? I guess, I'm

not thinking So Main Street right up this little street right here. There's three driveways right there. One for Odyssey and these other Okay. Sorry. It's one, two, three driveways.

Okay.

So it's just it's a little street. You know, it's it's right off the county line. This is actually as I understand it right now, that is open space. Town open space land. Which one?

Right there? We just bought that.

Yeah. The town just bought that along with some other stuff Yeah. Further north that all went together. So I I you know, we earlier, we talked about it, and I asked I forget who I asked, the the town staff. Dave Pasic and John Furzi. So I thought that that would be kind of a maybe an easy sign to do, you know, not having to put special wording on it and maybe a lower cost item. So yeah. Alright. Secretary Boden is not here. We'll move into committee reports.

Airport fund report. Drew, are you on that one as well? No. No, sir. Kevin and The fund? The airport fund? Who's on that one?

It was it was Kevin and We were hanger committee.

That well, that

Anyways, we were we haven't really been getting a fund report, but we've been kinda rolling all of this discussion that's about to happen here now. I think that was the appropriate time to to talk about fees. We produce

those quarterly. So, like, q three one will be for Right. For next meeting. Just too quick to turn around for this one. Okay.

But if there's anything you guys wanna recontinue from last month about the fees, this is probably the best time to do it.

Yeah. Right. So let's let's move forward with that. And so the last meeting, we talked about the different fees that were charged at the airport ranging from the residential through the fence to the ground lease to the hangar tie down to commercial. Oh,

Thank you.

So this fee structure has not been updated in quite some time. And as the you know, a way of looking to improve the financial picture of the airport as it relates to the investment required from the town to to make the operation continue so that we can receive the large economic benefit that is the airport started this discussion. So we've got multiple things on here. I think probably one of the bigger ones is probably the residential. Kyle, do you wanna Yeah.

Start that?

I have a few comments. The study session, I thought, was excellent. I I learned quite a bit out of there that helped me kinda form my thoughts on how we should go forward. Maybe for some of the people in the room that that don't know, our airport's supposed to operate revenue neutral. And even though we have a excellent airport manager, we are coming up a little short of that to the tune of 196,000 based on the latest forecast from Jason.

So we're looking at the fee structures to see what we can do to mitigate some of that shortfall. Fees haven't been changed for a long time, so we're due. But coming out of the meeting, I thought it was gonna be as simple as adjusting the fee structures as they currently exist. And I think what I concluded out of that is we need another study session at least that looks at how we can more equitably charge fees across the board. And I'm gonna give a couple examples. So I'm an air park owner. I have a hanger. I have a nice hanger. I'm not denying that. It has one airplane.

So I have a hangar on private property with one airplane in it. The 33 residents that have airplanes in their hangar pay $600 a month, And we acknowledge that needs to be adjusted. The problem that I'm having is when I look at, say, the Schofield hangers. There's a 100 hangers there. They are paying the 25¢ a square foot commercial land use fee.

If you do the math on that, it comes out to roughly $26,000 a year from the Schofield hangers. Divide by a 100, they're paying $260 a year versus the airpark that's paying $600. Those are private hangars on private land. One airplane for a hangar, some case two. So in my mind, I'm not quite seeing the difference between a Schofield hangar and an airpark resident.

And why there is such a big difference, a two times difference in the fee that Aeropark resident pays versus the Schofield hangar pays. So I think that's something that we need to look at and see why we have such a large discrepancy. My notes in the code the code, as it stated right now, says the Aeropark residents are tied to the tie down fee, which is $50 a month. That gets us our $600 a year. The Schofield hangar based on the commercial land use fee of 25¢ a square foot.

The port a port hangers are a little bit odd. They're based on the land use fee. But there's a caveat, I believe, in the fee structure that says there's a $600 minimum. So those folks are all paying $600 for those portables. So the other thing that was brought up that kinda caught my attention was, do your airport residents have nicer hangars, therefore, should pay more? Yeah. Okay. So I looked at my taxes. And out of the big bucket of taxes, I pay a thousand or $1,200 of that goes to the city of Erie. I know the city uses that for a lot of different things, but I hope a portion of that goes to the airport.

When I look at Schofield, they pay a big bucket of money. $5,800 of that goes to the city for various purposes. When I divide that by a 100 hangars, each hangar is paying $58 a month to the city. I'm paying $1,200 a month. And it kinda goes back to the fairness issue that that we need to look at as we look at fees going forward.

I can tell you the airport residents want to pay their fair share. I was just talking to to Jennifer here. She has a plane in Schofield, so she's paying the $2.60. But she also pays the $600 a year because she wants to support the airport. So I'm not saying we shouldn't pay our our fair share.

We just need to figure out how we can get it more evenly spread. The other issue that came to light that I was not aware is the main street hangars. If they're not being used for airport purposes, they do not pay any fee. No commercial fee. So there's very few, I think, operations over there that are actually paying to use the airport.

I know Odyssey does, and I think Dick Johnson has a hangar. But most of those operations do not pay fee. One of the things that came up at the meeting was the airport residents that have access to the runway, have deeded access even though they don't use it, should pay something because there's value there. And that's that's probably true. I think it does add value to to their houses.

But the problem we have is if we're not charging commercial businesses that have private property that have access to the airport, if we're not charging them to use the airport, I don't see how we can go to an airport resident and say, you need to pay even though you're not using the airport. So that's another issue that needs to be looked at and resolved before we move forward. So those were just some of the thoughts I had coming out of the meeting. And I I think, you know, there needs to be a lot more constructive discussion on how we go forward to assess the fees so that we can close that gap that we currently have.

K.

I almost a 100% agree with you. And I I think we all understand that this is not a slam dunk, and it's complicated. And the study session we had, it was it was great. It's two and a half hours. We got a lot done.

We by no means do I think we're, frankly, even close to resolving this. You're suggesting having another one? I think it's great. And I think what we found out, which became pretty obvious, was fundamental to what you're saying because we do have many pieces to this puzzle. We have residents who have hangars that keep airplanes, that keep their own plane and another one.

We have residents who don't have hangars but have access to the runway. We have residents who do or do not have hangars that don't have access to the runway, at least not direct access. We have porta ports, and I talked to Jason about it. There's two sizes of porta ports on that field right now. There are 860 square foot and 75 square foot considered standard versus executive or to put or port hangers. If you do the math, on the smaller one, eight hundred and sixty square foot at the current fee structure, it comes out to less than $25 a month. But they charge I believe in

the eSchedule, it does say $600 minimum.

Correct. Correct. So it kinda it kinda busts the 25¢ fee, which for those here, that's the fee currently in the ordinance that the town charges per square foot for ground leases. But it's up to 50, and I think I put 36¢ in at 860 square feet, and it still comes below the $50. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm saying it's kind of a hodgepodge of how people are charged.

You know, Schofield, they're basing it on a 25¢ per square foot lease rate, which we all agreed in our meetings was far too low, and it needs to be increased. That will change what Schofield pays. The big difference between Schofield and a resident is one is a residential property, and one is a commercial property. Commercial property taxes are fundamentally three three times more than residential. I don't know what your taxes are on your hangar, but it's probably a lot because it's considered a commercial building, is it not?

Yeah. I said it before, my little 2,500 square foot office that resides on the airport grounds, $17,000 a year in property taxes. I don't even keep an airplane there. I can't because I don't have a hangar.

Yeah. And I I didn't even try to address the whole NASA development and and Correct.

That's yet another piece of it. And I don't

I don't know where to go with that one.

But the bottom line is it's complicated, and I think it's been neglected, and nothing's been done about it. And I think I agree with you. This is a 100% part. By no means are we in a place where we can make any recommendations to counsel as to what we think. It was great on the study session. We need to do a lot more.

And whatever we do, we we need to make it such that it's not onerous on vector to manage. We can't have, I think, different fee structures for, you know, different parts of the airport. I I'm inclined, and I mentioned this to Paul in the email that, you know, a a one hangar, one fee, one airplane type of approach. If you have one airplane in a hangar, you pay this much. If you have two airplanes in one hangar, you pay an additional something. And that way it addresses, you know, the airpark, addresses Schofield, addresses the porta ports. The only thing it doesn't address would be the the NASA piece.

But that's what we need to have around.

Yeah.

Yeah. So at this point, I'm hearing what he says. I would make a rec recommendation to everyone. Here and now, we schedule another

That's a good idea.

Session because it was very useful. Unfortunately, you weren't here. I hope you watched it. But a lot of your concerns that you had addressed to me by email, they were covered. But, yeah, I would at this point, I would recommend doing yet another one. I don't know when you do that. What are you laughing at? Well,

you know, looking at Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport, they have they have a ground lease rate, and they have porta ports there. But their porta ports pay them monthly, and it's it's in the neighborhood of $200 a month. That's what they're paying over there. I think it's $1.85 for the smaller one, and it's over 200 for the bigger ones. But you look at you download their sheet of their fee structure, and it's a whole page of stuff, you know, for different different activities.

So and the the Nassar one, yeah, like like you said, they pay a ton of taxes because it's zoned commercial.

And Problem with that, and I, you know, I I hit on the tax piece just trying to highlight the difference between, you know, what we're all paying is Sure. You know, a very small piece of that actually goes to the city of Erie, and a a much smaller piece of that probably goes to the airport. So even though, you know, Paul may think $17,000 to the Weld County, you know, not a whole lot of that makes its way to the city and much smaller piece gets to the airport.

Sure.

Unfortunately, I don't think the airport fund's gonna see any of that money.

Well, that's what we talked about before was is it is this a bit putting the cart before the horse to resolve the other issue before you

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I kinda don't think the they equate. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, most of that goes to paying these folks Sure. The building, police officers, everything else. So it's not really paid directly to the town to benefit the airport. I would never expect that to to happen. I don't I don't think that's really no disrespect, but I I don't think it's a valid calculation.

I'm just trying pronounce, you know, the fact that, you know, comment was made to, you guys have nice hangers. You gotta pay more. Well, we do pay more. Yeah. We pay, you know, in my case, $1,200 to the city out of the big bucket money that I paid to Weld County. Goes to city versus Schofield's paying $58 a hangar. So $58 a hangar, $1,200 a hangar. Okay. Let's take that in as part of the consideration as we move forward as we figure out fee structures.

I would I would also be very cautious to have any conversations suggesting that somebody who has a really nice hangar should pay more than somebody who has a dumping hangar. I don't I don't think that's appropriate either. Yeah.

And I don't think we're gonna put Jason in the position of he's out there with a tape measure measuring hangers and making evaluations of the hangers. We gotta make this much simpler. Oh, I agree. Yeah. We got a

ways to go to get there.

Paul, was that porta port calculations? Was that just the building itself?

Yeah. So it's funny you asked that.

So not adding, like, a a 15% or something for that apron in front of it.

So for this larger one, which is a 75 square feet times adding 15%, it's 1,236.25 square feet times point two five. It's $309.06 per year.

Oh, so the $25.75. Come up to 600.

No. But if you take a 75 times 1.15 for the additional 15%, twelve thirty six twenty five times and what do we Lucky, would we said 36¢?

36. I think that's kind of The highest. Yeah. Let's see. I'm gonna $3.06.

445 Yeah. Divided by 12 is $37. So we are already kinda deviating where needed from these prescribed fees. So we're kinda not doing what has been tried to be done all along. And to your point, I think we need to deviate away from there and be pragmatic about the different buckets, if you will, that the various users fall into because you really can't make them equal each other.

It's just not possible. Schofield is different than a resident, which is different from Nassar, which is different from a porta port, which is different from a tie down.

Was that the prop shop pays a percent per square footage, don't they? I don't know exactly. I think I think they do. I think they had, like, 4,000 square feet or something like that.

I did not to belabor the point, but I think we need to be prepared to think outside the box to consider what you're saying, but consider that the way it's being done now, not the best way to do it. It's really not equitable. It's not really working. Certainly not supporting the airport the way it should be.

I think to a certain extent as well, Lyle. I mean, while it it's nice to say they shouldn't put too much work into what Vector does as the manager, they're being paid to manage the airport. And so, you know, I think trying to come up with the best solution to address, you know, the equity and revenue both. You know? Whatever that ends up being, that's part of the job of managing the airport,

I think. It states it in his contract specifically, states that his one of his responsibilities is collecting and and forcing the fees.

I mean, when when they weren't when they weren't being really paid the market rate for what they were doing, I you know, that I think that sentiment totally applies. But I think I think, you know, it's well within their ability to to manage and help out the collection side of this or I don't know. That's something that they can work out with the town. You know, I I yeah. That's that's all I have to say.

When when he's out at didn't get the chance to get perspectives in person. I appreciate it as a positive development that coming out of this, we seem to be acknowledging that access to the airport itself has an inherent value and are trying to, like, uniformly, put a fee based on that. To me, Lyle, that sounds like where it's it's easier to be fairly flat, universal, fair, equitable in that way, and it's also the easiest for Jason to administer. So, like, just the fact we're moving that direction seems like a positive from what was there before. Just wanna, like, recognize that because I think that's really useful.

I therefore consider, like, the work remaining in an additional study session to be commercial and private reconciliation and how we address, like, variability based on usage, whether you have an aircraft, whether you have 50 aircraft. And I I think there are a lot of really compelling competing visions of what good is in administering across those. So we'd love a study session to, like, dive into those and and present some ideas. But just wanna, like, recognize, I think, moving to access itself, having an inherent value that is recognized in the fee structure is a really positive development. That's all I wanted to add.

I'll add based on a comment Michael made is that we need to dig into the deeds of the property owners because there is guidance within the deeds. So we need to understand what is within them and how we make sure that we're compliant with it.

Kind of guidance are you referring to?

A fee structure that's run into deeds, property owners.

Okay.

And then there's also some guidance on where the fee should be spent or maintained within the deets. So I I just think we should kinda do a deep dive into the the Cali of that.

Alright. Some examples for for

a study session or do

What what she's referring to is and I just found out about it today through conversation with Jason, is is part of the deeded property to all the owners of the property at the airport.

As a collective or for each individual? Each individual.

Yeah. For those properties that were sold prior to when was the date of it that we just sold? Like, 1982 or something like that. There is a day to day easement written into their property documents that outlines a fee structure that they're required to pay for certain things, and it goes out to spell what those things are. There's even a CPI index escalation clause in the fee structure.

The question that I had that we talked about before the meeting, Julian Mhmm. And for you Yeah. Brandon, is the date of that dated easement predates the town's ownership of the airport. I think we need to get a serious look see from legal counsel to see, Number one, what is it how does it stand now Yeah. And respectful of their, you know, property documents.

What are what kind of stuff does that impose on the airport today? Because what we surely don't wanna do is we don't wanna be stepping up legally or otherwise on their toes. Yeah. We really need to kinda cover that. It's a we're you have it?

Yeah.

Yeah. Just alright. It's a public document. Anybody can see

it.

So, you know, it's a bunch of pages.

We have that in electronic format? Or

I think you could go to the anybody could go to the Weld County Okay. Hold it because I think it's every property owner has it as part of their title documents. I had no idea that was there. Yeah. Yeah. Coincidentally, Jason brought it up today, but I think it's a very, very important aspect of entire picture because we may be limited as to what we can do, and I think we should run it to ground.

Yep.

Yeah. I agree. We have an airport specialty attorney that can help. What's that? We have an airport specialty attorney that can help that Todd and Locky both been chatting with on other things so we can ask them.

Perfect. At a high level, not a lawyer, would that would that necessarily have to be included in conversations about a town administered fee structure with the idea being, like, in my mind, we could establish a structure that exists, and it may be that certain properties are exempted or grandfathered based on legal obligations that predate that fee structure. And that's there's there's nothing the town would be able to do about it in that instance. Right. But it doesn't necessarily, in my mind, change what the optimal fee structure would look like. It just mean that that it doesn't necessarily apply if there's a legal reason that cannot.

Right. And that's part of Yeah. This request is No. Totally understand. We need to Figure out all angles and thing. Right. Is it independent? Is it part of it? Can there be a separate fee assessed? I I think it's you need to dice that up and figure out how it becomes part of our conversation.

Do you do you have an electronic version of that you could share?

I could dig it up.

Okay.

Yeah.

That'd be great.

There's also guidance on how the fees are supposed to be spent. So I think it we generally need to dig into it.

Is there a is there a date on that, or is it

Yeah. There's a date on it. This is an official copy. I need to make sure that this is even official.

K.

This is just what I was referencing when we're talking about what to do with fee structure. Eighty seven nineteen eighty seven.

Town bought the airport in '94. '94.

Okay. 9194. They don't matter. Mhmm.

That is just full of guidance.

Sure.

We we definitely need to take a deep dive.

Yes. Definitely.

Yeah. First on a legal level and then, you know, from there. Not to get too far ahead of things, you know, without understanding how that affects. Okay.

And on your just to point out, on your study session, your next meeting is on November 20, which is the Thursday before Thanksgiving. You could schedule another meeting around the holidays. You could just use that one. The other thing to mention is right now, I know the mayor has already asked Dave Pasa to bring back an airport update to the council on January 6. So if you have a meeting before then and can make a recommendation before then, it could be packaged as part of that next airport update back to council in January.

No matter how you feel. So who was the individual you're talking about? For which part? For presenting to the council.

The director. What? Dave Pasic, the public works director.

Okay.

He now oversees the airport. He took over Todd. Todd. Todd.

Okay.

But, yeah, the mayor had asked Dave to bring back a airport update to January 6. I just don't know what the airport update is. But if we can add fees, hangers, other stuff to that, there's time on that meeting agenda so we could make that kind of an all based on airport stuff.

Alright. We do just that. Make that a study session?

Like, the 11/20 study session. We don't have a whole lot of stuff going on.

Okay. Is is anyone here planning to leave town that week?

I'll be here.

I'll be here. I'm out of

town again.

You're out of town. What do

you work for, man? When are you here? The preceding week. We we could always replace it, just not do it on 11:20.

Right? Then night's open. There's no other meetings. With this room. Right?

Wait. Is it oh, that's the week before.

Be the thirteenth. I'd have to check and see if other meetings are happening that are using the room.

I'm I'm gone that week and for that Thursday, at least.

Well, it doesn't have to be a Thursday either.

Yeah.

Yeah. On my end, I could do anything, like,

anything the week of three through seven or anything the week of ten through fourteen other than

the thirteenth is no good? Or I guess you're out.

I'm, yeah, I'm gone eleventh to fourteenth.

You said you could do the tenth?

I could do the tenth, Monday the tenth.

That's Monday. Can you do Monday the tenth?

Looks like there's an open space and trails advisory board meeting. Meeting in this room that night. It's occupied. Mhmm.

Call him to cancel. Yeah. You can battle the if you want. I can basically Does it have to take place here?

Mhmm. Okay.

They're all in person. It's the only exception if it's a study session like you guys have done before where there's not, like, a posted agenda, you can do that off-site. Like, we've done

at Paul's office before.

Right. That's kinda where I was thinking too if they set up the

tables. We've been told no.

Okay.

The the AV IT stuff in there, they've said advisory boards are in here every time. Okay. It's a heavy lift for staff to run everything in there.

Yeah. Makes sense. But there'd be no video if it's off-site.

Correct. Just be noticed. You might have a quorum. You will have a quorum at some off-site location for a special meeting. It just wouldn't be in this room on Zoom with an agenda and minutes and all the rest of it. Mhmm. Gotcha.

What's your availability?

I was waiting to weigh in if we picked a date.

Is it tenth is what it's looking at?

No. I don't think so because we don't have a room.

Not oh. It's like we

were almost there, but not here. Could do it in my office again even with this many people if they wanted to show up because study sessions are open as well.

What about the, like, the fourteenth, Friday?

Yes. I can do it. Yes. True. Like I said, I can do any day. Doesn't matter. Why

don't we think it I think it would Fourteenth is available?

You're saying, like, a Friday night? I know Friday night, guys.

I I don't even get home until 04:00.

Honestly, on the fourteenth, I could do it anytime. Yeah.

As a study session, you can do

it anytime you want. If it's an afternoon, hopefully not a Friday evening, but that's on you guys.

It's not my first choice.

What? Friday afternoon?

I mean

No. Friday evening. Friday evening.

Is a newly married man. I'm trying not to like him.

Oh, gotcha. I will not be here on the fourteenth.

You need the fee guy. I'm with you anyway.

I

mean, we'd love to have you there, Drew, but maybe we just stick with the original date.

Yeah. I I don't mean to be gone for it.

Yeah. Twentieth? Already have the room. That's not an issue. I think I think it would be better to do it here

Oh, yeah.

And have it, you know, attended, recorded, all that kind of stuff. So that work? Like Okay.

Twice, 11:20. 11:20? The study session.

Study session instead of a general meeting.

Lucky, can do that for that one?

Oh, no. Oh, man.

Oh, we find home. Okay. Yeah. I was gonna ask, is there anything different from the kind of materials that staff prepared last time for the previous study session that you'd like us to look into and and bring to that? Or as

long as well, one of you all be able to show up?

One of us. Yes. I have a conflict that night, but somebody will be here on our behalf.

As long as whoever's here be

here is what

you're saying. Buddy.

Well, I'm hearing

As long as whoever's here can plug in various numbers in that Okay. Wonderful spreadsheet. That's fine. Yeah. Because that's really what you know, this is what Yep. Most helpful.

Yeah.

And it really you know, as far as the budgetary stuff. Okay. And since we're doing that, finance doesn't really need to do a presentation until December. Okay. Right? That's fine. Yep. K.

Okay.

And maybe at the December meeting, you can make a recommendation that we can then bring back on council in January.

I think we almost have to.

It's on you guys. Yeah. Are

you here on the December 20? Eighteenth. It's the eighteenth?

I am here on the eighteenth.

That was a surprise.

About you?

Here. You're here?

I'm here. Oh,

you got a copy of this? Okay. Yes.

Yeah. Cool. So are you

here in December 18, or you don't know your schedule?

I don't

know my schedule, but I can I can be here? How about you, Law?

Think I'm gonna be here.

Okay.

I'm not sure.

It'd be a Christmas party. Jason's paying. There you go.

You know? No. I'll be sure to tell.

Alright. So anything else on the on this topic?

No. I think that's the one.

Let's move on to the hangar committee, and we can dovetail in this Yeah. R and d discussion that

Nothing independent from the community, so I think RFP is the way to go.

K.

Those two are the brainchild if you want

them to kick it off.

What's this?

These two ropes, they are a piece of

Oh, really?

Alright. You got enough?

Oh, yeah. I turned it

in ten.

You should have wanted enough.

You wanna say anything about this, or should we let them know? I'll turn it over. Alright. If you guys want to kinda do a back backdrop on this and how it came about.

Sure. So when we had the special meeting with the council back in August around all airport things, there was a discussion of new hangars at the airport. There's a demand. There's a lack of supply. It can help us financially.

It can help support the demand for new planes at the airport. And so the council at that time gave staff direction to pursue new hangars in two locations, what we call options one and two, which these two will get into here shortly. Under the understanding, would be on a third party ground lease with a independent group to lease ground at airport property from the town at the rate established in the fee schedule and then construct, manage, lease, maintain the hangars at their own doing. So the town would benefit financially from the ground lease. We would create new hangars, which are very much in demand.

So the council gave staff direction to move move forward with that for options one and two. Nice. And our staff position is to then kind of use this body to help lead that process. So our standard practice and what you guys are gonna talk about here in a sec is as town owned property, we have to be competitive, give everybody a fair chance to submit their interest and and experience to be that third party to ground lease from the town and build and manage these hangars on town on property. So Lockheed and Steph drafted up an RFP.

Our request of you all tonight, I know I sent it to you this morning, you probably haven't had a lot of time to review it, but to at least consider what's in it, consider any changes to the overall structure that you want us to include. And then at the of the night, us the authorization, just kinda thumbs up around the room that it's okay for a staff to move forward with posting this on our online platform, BidNet, for solicitation of bids. If we can get that, and that's I I know I keep talking. If we can get that, we can post to BidNet anytime tomorrow, next week, doesn't matter. Typically, we leave things open thirty days.

We could then potentially at that same January 6 meeting with the council, bring back an update to them then of the results of that bidding process and what the responses where we got and what next steps may look like. With that said, whichever one you guys wanna kick up.

Yeah. So the, the first kinda couple of pages of the RFP are just the request for proposals are just your standard language, bunch of legal things in there, specifying, you know, just going through the process. So the really kind of meat of it starts here on page five with the project background and description, and most of this information at the beginning is not gonna be new to any of you. It's just kind of describing the airport and giving information about it, how frequently it's utilized, how the facilities are, and going through all of that information. So whoever's responding to the RFP has that at their disposal, to kind of evaluate the fitness, you know, for the airport for hangar development.

We think it's obviously a very compelling case, and we think there's a lot of demand for hangars, and and it's a that will be a fairly easy sell. So that's kind of just what this information is is setting up. So we talk about the hangars that we do have, the interest in the hangars, the hangar market study, finding occupants you know, occupancy rates at a 100% at additional airports in the region, and then we kinda go through. And so the photos got screwed up a little bit because technology is amazing. So but, basically, this end of the meat of it is when we brought that, when we had the the meeting with council, they said, we'd like you to explore development, an RFP to develop hangars at, around the existing terminal building.

So that's option one highlighted in yellow in the first photo. And then north of the existing terminal building, that's option two highlighted in red there. They said do not explore at this time. Option three, the Crosswind Runway, town council directed us clearly to to not look into that. So that's all we're asking for in the RFP is, hey.

We wanna partner to, develop hangars in these two specific areas. And then just a couple of, of caveats that we have is, number one is we're considering development of an access road from airport, to the airport from County Line Road, and we have a, attachment that shows kind of the proposed, orientation of that road. Kinda just looks like a little s going around Coal Creek in in the property lines. And that's gonna be more feasible now that we have, the town has acquired that that property there along a Budding County Line Road. So we provide them that outline of saying, hey.

When you're considering how to build these hangars, don't make this road that we wanna build impossible because we're we don't wanna build a road through a hangar. And then we just say we're open to development of different types of hangars. They can be small. They can be large. You know, they should make sense for for who's most likely to use Airy Airport.

But please explain what types of hangars you wanna build and and why you think that's the best type. And then we explained that we're looking for a partner to have a thirty to forty year ground lease at for the hangars, and so that's how the town would financially benefit. We're not gonna build the hangars or the rent them out ourselves. We're just gonna kind of we're gonna lease the land to to the developer and then, benefit for thirty to forty years from the ground lease. And the community and everyone who uses the airport, can can benefit from the opportunity to get access to new hangars.

And then there's a little bit more information here in the scope of work paragraph. But other than that, it's draft. I put myself down as a project manager because Julian told me he's too busy, but we'll probably change that back. Who knows? And, yeah, that's pretty much the the extent. Oh, and then there's briefly, I'll just touch on this scoring and the matrix. This explains how we're gonna score them. Capability, the project team, you know, a letter. So these are the qualifications. The the baseline, you have to meet all these things.

A letter certifying that you're available and committed. You can complete the project within time frame and then also the work location. And then experience, relevant projects, kind of who who all has experience on the team working together, and then what what clients have you worked for previously. And then we can give us contacts so we can reach out to them. And then this is just the kind of last of you understand what you're doing. You know, we we like and value your approach, and you think you have a good handle on the situation pretty much is is a summary of what we're looking for. And so with that, I kinda turn it over to to you all for discussion of of what's in here. If there's anything you want taken out, added in

Yeah.

And and what I'll mention, Steph wants you to provide anything too. But one thing I'll mention, think there's benefit to us. Even though it's an RFP, we're asking for proposals. I don't think we know enough to know exactly the the details of what that proposal are yet because while we know there's general locations, we don't know exactly the size, the number of hangers, the cost yet. I think the best approach is structuring is, like, looking for our preferred partner based off their experience, their qualifications, past projects, etcetera.

And based off that, we pick our partner, through this process and then negotiate from there as far as what areas, where are the roads going, where a potential new terminal building may go, those kinds of details. I think it's premature to ask for, like, an actual bid for price and buildings and hangars and that right now. Being still being competitive, seeking interest from qualified groups to be our partner, but to keep it at that level and then negotiate once we get that partner from there. Steph, anything you wanna add?

So go to the scoring piece. My experience with RFPs is the more detail you have, the better product you'll get submitted. And assume you're gonna get more than one. So you're gonna have to score these things, and then you're gonna have to explain to people who didn't win why they didn't win. So on your qualifications, experience, project goals, do you have those weighted in some way?

Like, qualifications is 30% experiences, 30% goals, concepts, 40, and then break it down. Or how how are you guys going to school, excuse me, score these things internally? And I think you need to make that public so whoever is submitting on this knows what you're looking at. Okay. So spend some time thinking about that and how you wanna score. And Okay. Score sheet when you go through that you actually do score for what you have in the RFP. Yeah. The other thing and, again, I I read this once before the meeting, and you hit on a little bit, Julian. The the road, you just say, hey.

We're we're playing on this road. Then the two pictures that we have, go back to the pictures if you would. There's no road shown. I don't know what the city planner could kinda take something you have, let's say, for option one and show where the road is gonna go or at least leave this area for a road. Because whoever's gonna, you know, submit an RFP, they're gonna have an architect that's gonna be trying to lay out buildings and figure out how many they can get in there of certain sizes and that sort of thing. So the more detail you can give them, the better the information you get.

And he does have any RFP, and that's the graphic is linked by attachment will be this drawing, which does show that. It's not georeference based off the other graphics. You have to look at one to look at the other, but they could easily be overlaid.

I think that'd be great if you could overlay them so that, people aren't really guessing where that is. Okay.

The other thing was hold on hold on just a second because you were just about to tap her to say something. I wanna make sure Thank you, mister. You go. They weren't finished with their presentation.

Nope. Okay.

I feel like what I was gonna say might conflict with what what you just said. But I was about to say in our experience, we actually have very little and very few responses to RFPs, especially by qualified firms. In fact, that kinda happened to us last year for the people who were here last year. Or was it two years ago now?

For the study?

Yeah. Mhmm. Two years ago? Mhmm. Yeah. Two years ago, we had an another RFP out. We had one person submit, and it was not a very strong proposal. And at that point, we actually pivoted as a like, our department has pivoted to RFQ model, and actually has found that firms are so busy right now. They, especially the most qualified people have so many things that they're working on. They would prefer to submit smaller packages in response to this.

And I think based on what Julian was just saying, like, we are not detail rich at the moment for this particular project in terms of, you know, we've got option one, option two. Is it a little for of both? Is it you know, I think there's a lot of there are a lot of question marks. And so I might suggest I can always give to you guys our RFQ template that we've used successfully, I would say. How many times now?

Two or three Yeah. As a department for some other projects that we've worked on. And we just found that that had a lot it was more consultant friendly, I guess, I would say, especially if we're looking for perhaps even local consultants as opposed to, like, larger firms. If we want to really attract someone to this project who might be very familiar with Erie, if that makes sense. Anyway, that's just something that our experience has been that the RFP is not quite as appealing to the people we want to appeal to from a a contractor standpoint.

But just food food for thought, not really making a recommendation. Just putting it out there is a thing I can send out to everybody to take a look at because the same information could be put into that.

Cool. But yeah. So, I mean, you're you're going out to developers in this one, not to consultants.

Well, same thing. We these were all for developers as well. But I just meant, like, contract vigils. Like, so

As a former contract, I'm doing more detail you can give, the better information you'll get back. On this picture, you know, I look at the yellow. We highlight all the ramp, the FBO. Can you narrow that down to where the land that they can actually use is gonna be?

Yeah. I mean, yeah, we can we can reduce the the size of it. I think the the idea was kind of give them give them the broadest opportunity possible to say what they think works and and what they would recommend and kind of

But it is the not the ramp off bounds in the FBO and the maintenance building? That's all out of bounds. Right?

Yeah. And these graphics came directly from that BA group hangar market study. This one body did a couple years ago. Yeah. So we didn't change the graphics. They're just copy and paste. The long and short of the council conversation was options one and two is basically north of the north of the terminal and west of the terminal. Or a combination.

Yeah.

Yeah. All the above. I mean, council said option one and two. Right.

I just think if you could clean

that up a little bit, it would help.

Yeah.

Okay.

We have a very qualified JS team that would love to do

that. Great.

I think, Lyle, like, just kinda, you know, from the construction side of it, this to me feels more like a design build than being, like, handed a set of blueprints and go bid on something.

Well, if the developer led, it's definitely design build and funded. Yeah. It's what a developer does. But, you know, he's gonna spend he or she is gonna spend some money putting together that proposal. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, the more detail we can give them, the better proposal we're gonna get out of it so that we can move forward.

We wanted to make sure and and, hopefully, it's it's seen in the text that this is not just somebody to construct the hangars, and that's the entire scope. The team, and I hope it's a team, has different representatives. There's certainly a focus on construction and building good hangars that we need. The other piece is who's gonna manage these for the thirty to forty year ground lease in place. So having a part of the team who's committed and available running these things, leasing them, maintaining them, keeping them in good condition for the next forty years. So it's a team, a development team, but there's gonna be different subs attached to them to make sure that we have the full scope of what I think we all wanna see happen here.

That was my last comment. You you mentioned thirty to forty years. What is it? Is it thirty years, or is it forty years?

It's up to you guys. Ultimately, we have to counsel, but I think

this might be need to say this is the duration. They're they're They're gonna do a time value of money and and cancel it out and see where they end up. For sure. Thirty years is different than forty years.

And thirty years is standard and is is what we kind of talked about previously. But

And will there be a point in thirty year when the years to redo that? Extend.

Five or ten years or two options, five each. The I believe the recommendation from the 2023 or, yeah, the the study of Hanger was didn't have an option. It was thirty years with ownership reverting to the town at the conclusion of the term.

That that's pretty harsh. I think you have

to think about that. You'll get a much better proposal if if you don't go quite that harsh.

But what do you think about that?

I think you can put thirty years in there.

With an option to renew?

An option to renew based on improvements that are mutually agreeable to both parties. K. And you you don't have to identify what those are, but, you know, they're they're gonna be developed during the course of the thirty years and what improvements need to be made to to renew your lease.

My question is a hypothetical one. Does the town want to ever be a hanger owner? If not, what difference does it make? What the term is? 30 or 40.

To the town.

Yeah. To the town. I know, to me, doesn't make a damn bit of difference. You'd say, generally,

I don't think the town is super interested in in being in the business of owning and managing hangars. It just it does make financial difference, right, in terms of the value to the town versus the value to the the developer of of the land lease if there's if it's thirty years. Because if the town if it does revert to the town in thirty years, you know, the town can, you know, then go find a different contractor or company to to manage the hangars. And that could be financially beneficial for the town still even if the town itself doesn't really wanna hire a team of people to to manage the hangars themselves. But that that is a different financial impact for the town versus if they get it

for an extra ten years automatically. That that's a measurement of market rates changing to a point where it doesn't pay to continue doing what they're doing Mhmm. With the current leaseholder. And maybe they do want to create a scenario where someone else steps in. Maybe even the same people who have been doing it, but you renegotiate the agreement at a different rate because Mhmm. That is a little different.

The ground leases typically have rent escalators for metrics or CPI, but you might still lag behind market. That's exactly right.

Is appropriate time for a question?

I'm sorry. It's not

No worries. I wanna make sure you all go because I got a number of things to ask.

A small one on page seven when we talk about the airport hangar market study. I would also like to include some language reflecting that the town maintains a hangar waitlist of interested individuals in the community. And in 2025, performed a survey meant to gather market information on that waitlist. I think it's worth surfacing that and making sure that the respondents are are recognized within this a little bit. So do you

think we included that here? At the bottom of page five.

Well, let me know if this language it doesn't wanna change the language to make it clear or move things around. That's really what

I'm looking for. I had expected in a different spot. That's great. Let me I'll triple check. Okay. Sounds good. But but I I'm glad that this is included. Thank you.

Yep.

Can you, Julian, talk me through a little bit? I'm not as familiar with the preferred partner concept. So under that, what are the obligations of the town to the partner beyond the initial lease? Right? Like, is it that the town retains authority, like, ultimate approval authority on go, no go for additional builds? Like, how do pricing conversations usually go at that point?

It's more we select somebody based off their qualifications and experience, but not a formal bid. Mhmm. And that just gives us, once selecting that preferred partner, usually in, like, a a town council exec session, direction to proceed with negotiations. So it's we know who it is based off the right fit, but we don't know the terms of the deal. And then once we know who the right fit is, then we work with council, work with that partner to negotiate the terms of it. After we have the terms and we get to a ground lease, it's the same as what an RFP would be. It just gives us more flexibility on the front end to figure out, okay. We know who the right group is, but we don't know the terms. Let's work with them and with town council to figure out those terms together instead of just picking them based off an application.

Okay. Okay. I understand that.

I I think it's also maybe Steph mentioned this earlier. RFPs are traditionally seen as, like, I need a 30 page response. I need to attach all this, whatever. While we don't necessarily are looking to attract a smaller mom and pop versus a larger master constructor that's a nationally known company, I think the RFQ format attracts a wider net, the smaller local contractor instead of the big name firms that work across the country. Because they have limited bandwidth, but they also have provided more limited response. So we've seen RFQ to Steph's point attract better interest more recently. Okay. Thank you. Mhmm.

Do we have a have we been put has anybody been compiling a list of, like, the gentleman that was here a few meetings ago that, you know, interested in building hangars?

We got a few.

There was the other company.

There's one four years ago from Jeffco. Chris.

Yeah. Yeah. Chris.

There was another one down south too.

There might be others in the room right now.

You never know. Yeah.

I mean, this is great. You know, this board started five years ago, and this was one of the biggest things, you know, we had hoped to accomplish. And so it's great to see this starting to move forward. There's a lot of benefits to this because put a bunch of airplanes in there, you know, private airplanes, not flight school airplanes, private airplanes that don't fly a lot. But yet they're gonna go they need maintenance.

They need fuel. So there's a lot of economic benefit to adding these. Personally, I think going north of that starting there, and then maybe you can offer all the porta ports, you know, a first right refusal or something along those lines. And then you can maybe go into where those are and put another section. Mhmm. So all all this has a lot of benefit there

with minimal impact to the operation of the airport. Is there any thought to moving the the portable hangars to the north once they get evicted from where they're at?

To the north to the landfill?

Sorry. I cut down this road.

Even south, there's revenue being generated.

Yeah. You know, they're they're a valuable item for pilots. It's do we just tell them to go away, or do we say there's property on the North End? This is where you can relocate your porta hangar if you want to?

I thought one of the issues Worth considering, quite honestly

Yep.

As part of the whole overall plan.

One of the things with the four units was Jason had brought up about having airworthy aircraft in there when someone just uses a storage shed

or He says about half of them don't hold Yeah. Aircraft. It should be addressed overall for you.

That's that's another I think that's another discussion that needs to happen Yeah. Anything. As there is potentially some liability as far as our grant assurances go. Sure. Being that they're on airport property. But to your to to what you've said, you know, offering them the place to go, I think, is a great idea and and maybe even south onto the ramp, you know, potentially on the edge there if that, you know, were to work out would be another place. Because they're they're they're obviously portable. Know, they can all be moved. Locked Man, it's not the easiest process.

Very much when you heard from Nick today on FAA policy around that.

Oh, yeah. I just wanted to say, I did I did I have reached out to the, airport specific attorney for the town, to ask the question, about restricting having a restriction for airworthy aircraft. And he said that would be kind of expected along with with the grant assurances through the FAA. So totally feasible, something we can do. I've looked at the contracts.

They are month to month, and I think we're gonna work with the attorney to kind of restructure the contract that previously were with the FBO, with Vector Air. And now that the town is, you know, taken over and the revenues coming to the town, I think it would make sense to structure the contracts with the town. And so I think that'll be something as well that we're working through in the next, month or two is restructuring those contracts, rewriting them with a specific and enforceable provision about having an airworthy aircraft, so that Jason, you know, can, you know, can make sure that we're we're living up to your insurances and also just doing the best thing for the airport in terms of making sure that there are as many aircraft and and hangars as as we can. But those those would include include the new fee structure that was proposed or that the council. Yeah.

Yeah. The yeah. The contracts

You wouldn't do it until that's already set.

Yep. Yeah. We won't lock in, like, a long term agreement

on

a fee structure within those contracts until you all have yeah. Until that's established.

Anybody else? First question. What property are we talking about? Fort Locker. Can what do you mean? Acquired property? There have been several comments that have been made already.

What's your parts of the road?

Airport property. That's it.

Really acquired airport property by the town?

No. It's, this area Yeah. Right here.

Just the current town owned airport property. That's it for hangars?

Yes. For for hangars, we're talking about the the highlighted areas, obviously, excluding the ramp and the FBO Building. But you mentioned that the town has recently acquired. Yes. The town recently acquired, I think, just like today or yesterday finalized. Mhmm. Or no. It's not finalized yet?

No. No?

Does that seem I what Emma's mentioned, there's some small open space property that we acquired. That was it. But now we haven't

Yeah.

That's Okay. Right. So there is no new property.

That is that is on that.

Proximity to

Bottom Left, mister chair.

The airport. No, mister chair.

Okay. Thank you.

That was just confused.

Okay. Second question. Is there any particular reason that council has to eliminate any possibility of town owned or airport owned and operated hangars as opposed to handing it off to someone?

The the best risk reward is a ground lease with a third party. The based off the options and the cost it would require to construct around town owned hangars and lease them ourselves is prohibitive given other town priorities. At this point. Correct. But that doesn't mean we couldn't do

a section with an outside developer doing what you're talking about and reserving potentially the option of doing something else later. I just wanna make sure we're not cutting our nose off despite our face. Sure. Because today, we clearly do not have the ability to do them Yep. Ourselves. I don't wanna close out the option forever. So I would start small, pick a smaller project with a developer, and then see how it goes. Mhmm.

And I think once we have a preferred developer for phase one, we can always work with that same developer for phase two without going out for a full redid. Correct. Yeah.

Great. The, you and I had talked about it when we'd had side conversations about potential closed runway stuff, and the concern has always been, well, what would they do and when would they do it? And you had explained to me that the town has full control over what is being built and whatnot in the end with the developer. Correct? Yeah.

So you could dictate the developer could come in and say, well, we think we we we would wanna build twenty fifty by 50 box hangers when we don't satisfy the strong desire from folks to have a simple t hanger. We would have the ability to say, no. We are going to I'm not saying that's what it is. We could say, no. We are prioritizing tee hangers Yeah. For the first go of it, and this is what you have to give us as a proposal for

It's on the land in our lease. We can dictate whatever we want. Okay.

Great.

Yep. The only change or or edit I would have is on page five, second to last paragraph. I would strike that entire paragraph.

This one?

No. Or this one? Sorry. Third to last. Yes. I would strike that paragraph. Because it's my understanding we have an ongoing negotiations with Jason Mhmm. To acquire the building, and this would lead one to believe that maybe that's not going through or there's a a option to do something else. Okay. I think it's confusing, and my recommendation would be to strike that entire paragraph. Okay.

That's all I have.

Yeah. I think we can reference the future potential for a new terminal building somewhere on airport property that impacts future hangars.

And and I you know me. I'm always a stickler for the designation of an FBO building For sure. And a terminal building. Yeah. That big old Hulk is not a terminal building.

Yeah. Scientific term.

Sure.

I I think on the whole I mean, you guys did a great job of putting this together, and and it's a positive step.

Awesome. Forward moving. Thank you.

So is that thumbs up to move forward to posting?

With those edits. Yeah. Yep. I have no issues. Anybody else?

Could we see a second draft?

Sure. Do you wanna see the second draft before we post? Yes, please. Gotcha.

Sure. And what if we do that, we can do that via email. Right?

Yeah. We can't necessarily we can't conduct open business by email. So we can't trigger open meetings a lot by conducting board business via email. What we can do is send out the updated copy and by by replying directly, not replying all, if anybody objects to posting this, say so, and leave it at that. And then directly, if somebody has an issue, we will know that, but it won't create an open meeting by email. I have to be very careful around that.

Alright. I'm not sure I understand what you just said. We we can if you send it out and I have a comment and I just send it straight back to you Yes.

That's acceptable? Yes. Okay. And I think it'll more so be here's the updated copy. If we don't hear from ever anybody by whatever that next Friday, we'll plan to post. But if you have any comments, please send it back to us directly, not reply all.

I always tell my clients, I'm not gonna tell you no. I'm gonna tell you how. Mhmm. So what you're telling us now is how. Mhmm. Okay. But everybody look for it and make sure that we respond accordingly. I don't think there's gonna be any edits. Mean, it was I

don't know what to do other

than what we talked about.

Yeah. And we'll plan to keep

the window open for thirty days anybody thinks something differently.

Okay. Anything else on the RFP hanger?

Thank you.

Gotcha. Alright. And, Drew, did you have anything else as part of your committee? No. Nothing. No. Okay. Next item on the agenda, community engagement. I believe that's primarily mister Boden who is not here. So we'll have to wait for the next meeting on that. Airport manager's report. I can just

give you just tidbits.

Alright. We'll take we'll take tidbits.

The big thing is the road. That'll run up. Yes. We're moving at a snail's play pace. It's going a lot slower than they thought it would. And if anybody's been down in the road, it's not like they're just tearing up a lane of road. No. It basically shuts off the entire road. It's coming forward. I think Jason talked to Nasser yesterday, and everybody's want it to happen faster, but it's not. But it's like, okay. It's raining today. What are you gonna do? So that's the tidbit. It's going very slow.

They know it's going slow. It was delayed. I don't know if anybody knows. It was delayed on the airport side because they started digging a hole for the pipes. Lo and behold, they found propane tanks and tires and everything. So they had to stop, then they had to get their environmental folks in to test it, make sure there wasn't any hazardous material. And that kinda killed it for, I don't know, two weeks, something like that.

We're we're mitigating the unknown landfill.

Yes. Exactly. Anyways, it's happening. Deal with it.

I guess the silver lining would be a distract or as a deterrent to people, you know, going through the airport to go through there.

Like I told you today, I can't imagine anybody, why in their right mind would decide to cut through the airport to get to Airport Road just to hang a left because I didn't wanna go. Very dangerous left. You know, Coal Creek Boulevard where there's a light to turn left. I don't get it. There's a lot of things people do I don't get. That's it. That's all he really had.

Okay. That's all we have on the agenda. Do we a motion to adjourn?

So moved. Alright. November 20

Oh, yeah.

Study session. Right?

Yes. Well

Is that right? We're Okay.

There's a script. Alright. Thursday. Thursday. Meeting is now adjourned. Meeting.