Airport Economic Development Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

Hey. Today is Thursday, April 16, and I'm calling to order the meeting of the Erie Airport Economic Development Advisory Board. Roll call. Michael Bodie. Here. Kevin Kane. Here. Emma Dowling. Here. All of our family is here. Lyon Martin. Here. Andrew McClain. Is not. Jennifer Webb. Yeah. Okay. We have a quorum. Agenda. Pledge of allegiance.

You're up. Pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States

Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

Everybody has a copy? Agenda? Comments? Questions? Concerns? Motion to approve? So moved.

Second. Mhmm.

Favor? Aye. Opposed?

Next.

Meeting minutes from the previous meeting. Did everybody look at them? They were part of the packet that was emailed, and there was a link on it. Yep. K. Any questions, comments, concerns?

Thank you for including that white paper for me. Appreciate it.

Oh, you bet. Yeah. A comment. The date is 2025. We'll change it to 2026.

Yep. I have a question regarding number seven, new business item c. I would make a recommendation that the all individuals that we did vote on last meeting or recommendations to the council to appoint as continuing or new members, be included in the minutes of the meeting. Those people, the Kevin Keene, Lyle Martin, Michael Bowden, Steven Tobin. I would like to see that reflected in the minutes of the meeting since we actually did have a vote, those people chose I will will assume that we make that change.

Comments? I think needs

a second. Were the results official or unofficial?

These are what's conveyed to us by ruling.

Yeah. And he specifically said it was unofficial in that meeting.

Well, none of what we do is official because it's just a recommendation to the council, and council the could wipe them all out and apply anybody they wanted. But, traditionally, they accept and do them in a group. But I think it's important that it reflect on the record who we actually did choose.

And I will add that I received a email from Michelle stating that

Oh, you did?

Yes. Has been selected.

I also received that email.

Yep. And that it was subject to approval by the city council.

Well, again, I would move that we include those names as part of the minutes from the last meeting to show that we did, in fact, choose these four people. It's the three that we were, obviously. But I have to get to do that.

I guess my only concern, Paul, that we create hardship for the city by not following their revised process even though we you did go through that process last month as per the rules in place at that time.

I don't think that it matters at this point because we're still going to go through their revised process yet again, but I want the record to reflect that we did in fact do it. We did it correctly according to the way we were told to do it. It was recorded, and now we're being told that we need to do it again. Okay. We'll do that, but I would like it reflected in the minutes that we did choose four people.

So I think the two I'm not saying don't do that. Okay. You know, this revised process, like, we did it once. We'll do it again. I suspect the result will be the same, but I would like it reflected in the minutes that we did, in fact, choose somebody, and no one said any had any issues with what we did and who we chose.

But I would need a second on the motion, and we'd have to have a vote of everybody if it's gonna happen. I don't get to the side.

Like, the results were kinda told to us, but I don't think that they were necessarily official results. K. So I I I I guess I would say a process was followed for members, you know, that the results were delivered And you know? But I don't think and I think Tulane's, you know, said that they were unofficial results. He was very clear about that on the I think he was just kinda telling us so we do, you know, what to expect. But Well, I think

the mid whoever we choose, it's not official no matter what process we need to do them because it only becomes official. The council approves those names. Nothing is official by any stretch of the imagination from what we do. Right.

Just the results themselves. You know, it was kind of a secret process. You know, we all put our things on, delivered,

and pulled them up. Help me out here because I don't remember. When he told us the results, you weren't here. When he told us the results, was the recording still going? Yes. It was. When he conveyed who the individuals were.

When he said that he asked the question, do you want to know what they were and what have you? And he made it clear that they were unofficial. I don't remember if his answer was on the recording. Well, I don't either. Answer. We can check. Okay.

I think I kinda asked.

Well, I I hear what you're saying, and I I somewhat agree with your position. Unfortunately, I don't know the details of what happened that is making the city require this to be redone again. And I don't want to go against, you know, the the judgment of some people that operate this process that says we need to do this again. So therefore

And I'm not saying I'm not suggesting that. Again, that's not what I'm saying. I am not saying we'd like them to do this new process. We'll do it according to whoever said we need to do it. But I just want I would like it included in the minutes of an official meeting that we had, which we did do it according to the way we were told to do it. Some people all had to leave the room and everything, which I frankly was uncomfortable with to begin with, but that's what we were told to do. We followed it to the letter, and we did it, and we had a result. I would like that result reflected in the minutes. That's all. It doesn't mean we're not gonna do this.

If Julian was on record, he made the announcement. Does that cover that?

Now it doesn't say what happened. I would like it to say what happened. If I don't get a second, it's fine. We're done. Discussion's over. If we get a second, then we'll have a vote. And whatever that vote is, will or will that be included in the minutes? End of story. We move on. No one's gonna second it. We're moving on anyways. So I'll just ask everybody.

I vote we act as team players with the town.

Well, that's not a vote. That's not a discussion. Either we get a second. I already made a motion. If I don't get a second, I think once, going twice, Gone. Alright.

Do you have an attendance at the time?

Yes. We don't have an attendance, but we have public comment. We have one individual who is mister Public. Mister Public here. Feel free. 105 meeting place.

Just sort of I'm now the vice president of the Erie Airpark. So Okay. Yeah. I'm standing here. I think you guys have already addressed, but we're gonna just kind of ask is have you you know, just presenting the through the fence fees proposals, you know, when's that coming to city council, and how's that progressing? So I'm not pointing fingers or placing blame where I'm just here listening because we feel it's wise just to have any representative from the HOA just kinda hanging out with you guys. So I'm not trying to persuade one way or the other. I'm just a fly on the wall. That's all. So that's it.

But we appreciate what y'all are doing. You know? I know you guys are trying to do everything for the benefit of the airpark, the airport itself in consideration with the airpark as well. So, you know, there's a lot of folks that are concerned about the proposals, but we know it's still a proposal and still in its infancy of what we've been doing.

So Anybody, like, is a pilot of that. That's the Thank you for coming. Absolutely. Please come anytime.

I've been listening online all the time, but Excellent. In person, so here I am.

We we constantly get instructed that we're not supposed to have a dialogue with public comments, so I'm gonna say, okay. Thank you for coming.

Absolutely.

Please tell all the folks that are in the airpark. We'd love to have them at any point in time. K. The more engagement, the more we do a better job. Absolutely. Okay. At this point, it's caught in there. We did what we were some task to do. Mhmm. We made a recommendation. At this point, it's really out of our hands. Correct. And it's with the council. So I would additionally recommend to all of your members at the airpark to pay attention to the agenda online. And at one point, they will have, if not one, probably more than one comments regarding what we recommended Mhmm. I would highly encourage them to engage in that debate. Great.

They might even have open meetings to discuss it with you.

Yep. Yep. Yeah. That's kind of our agenda too just to, again, just get better insight and work together to add And I community.

Yeah. I know that is the plan, as we've been expressed by the council members. Wonderful. That's good. But which one of them is here, one will be here shortly. But I'm sure they'll do it. Yep. I think it's kind of standard procedure. Right. So please tell them.

I will pass all that.

Don't be shy. Okay. Okay. Anybody else? Thank you. You're welcome.

Thank you.

General business officer reports, I don't really have anything other than as a result of this, it's gonna put everybody off a month. So officer elections will happen. Get the when is the council likely to address the new list of appointees at their meeting in your I don't know. Meeting of May?

I don't know, actually. I truly don't.

I mean, I get it. So

let me check it.

Even the way it was supposed to happen, now it's been delayed a month. We're probably gonna get the answer or the official appointment, if you will, in May, which means the officer elections have to happen at the very next meeting, which will be June. Anyways

I guess I do know that it is supposed to Michelle was sorry. I have to sneeze. This I'm allergic to this room. I swear. Okay. I did talk to Michelle today, and she mentioned that because of this process Yeah. Most, boards wouldn't be able to meet in May and that because this all has to go to Process. Council process and whatnot. So the next meeting would be June. So, therefore, yes, I would think May is when it's gonna be decided.

Yeah. We'll get the appointments in May. Yes. At our next meeting, we would have the election.

In June June 18. Right. Bingo.

Anyways, I'll reach out to Drew at some point in time and let him know he's not off the hook yet. As for the council, I think it will be in the consent agenda. I usually do it as a group. Yeah. At least that is historically what has happened to me. They're just like k. That's all I really have to report.

I have nothing to report?

Do I? K. Report fund report. We don't we haven't. Haven't. Hanger committee. Is there a point or a series of points along the way where staff would give us updates as to what the status is of the hangars? Or is that

I'll tell you a little bit. K. I know it's the Erie Airport Hangar Development Partner RFP selection negotiations are on and are in executive session for May 12.

With the council?

Yes. Right.

Yes. That's the council.

The staff has made their recommendations, and they're going to present that to the council. Correct. That's the date you're referring to.

Yes. Okay. And that'll be an exec an exec session. Lockheed's going to be making that presentation.

Right. K.

So that's the next step.

But would the would this board anticipate periodic updates subsequent to that? I mean, I'm

I don't see why they're why you wouldn't be able to have periodic updates.

I mean, it's all different rules.

I mean, once once they've affirmed the selection so let's just say they come and they say this this is who we're recommending, and then they say, yes. The next thing that would happen would be, some kind of development agreement. Now that could take a long time because I don't know if they're gonna do that. Julian would know better than I, but I don't know if they're gonna do that before or after the whole thing with the FAA.

Right.

So I don't know if they're gonna update the airport, you know, master plan with the FAA and then do some kind of development agreement. Or if they're gonna do a development agreement first and then go through that process, maybe they would do a development agreement first just so that that they're, like, in an agreement and then they can start designing because why would you go with an updated master plan if you're not even really sure where they're gonna be or what they're gonna look like? So those things could happen at the same time. But once that agreement, like, one once we create that agreement, that's public record. That's not back in exec session, so there's no reason why this group shouldn't know about that.

Alright. I primarily ask that, because I would probably put that on the official agenda every month.

Yeah. Like update hanger, RFP updates, or whatever.

Yeah. We have airport fund report, which the town only comes every quarter. Sure. But I would add that to

I mean, Julian and Lockyer are the ones gonna be leading those so that selection negotiation, all that stuff. And he's here every time, so he'd be able to provide you with whatever update there may or may not be. I mean, I personally don't see why there'd be anything wrong with that. Maybe Julian would tell me I'm crazy and wrong, but I I mean

He would let us know. It shouldn't be on there, otherwise, from this point on. Sure. We'll add an agenda item to include.

Yeah. Like, the next time you all meet in June, this meeting will have happened. Yeah.

K. That was primarily why I was asking.

Yeah. So you'll know by June the next time you guys are together what the feedback from council was about the selection. Sure. Okay. And then Julian will be able to tell you next steps and the timing of those next steps. Perfect.

Okay. Community engagement.

Nothing yet. No. Spring is here. We're going to start having events in town, so I'm planning for us to try to have participation in those.

It's, like, kinda consider So is what is the town fair

in May?

May 16. Yeah. That's a Saturday.

I just lost my turn. Oh, community engagement airfare. Is there anything that we need to start thinking about in anticipation of next year's airfare just so we stay ahead of the game. Alright. We'll just There's a your guidance on it.

Annual presentation to town council, July meeting for all the boards. It's annual instead of

Oh, that's an

Used to be twice a year, now it's once. Thank you for that. So anything that the board wants to put into our budget request would be in that presentation, including 2027 airfare.

And are you cool with continuing your role at least at this point Mhmm. What you've done in the last two years to airfare years.

Yeah.

Exceptionally, by the way. Oh, thank you. K. Alright. Airflow managers report. Not here. Airport economic and development applicant review and recommendation to town council update. Now turn it over to you so that we can publicly on them give us instructions of all I need to do.

On that? Yes. Yeah.

Okay. Can I see one of the sheets? Just helpful for me to thank you. Okay. So the instructions that I am supposed to convey to you is that you can every every person who is currently sitting on the board fills out the this table ranking the responses to questions one through four from the application out of five, five being the best, one being the worst. These can be in collaboration with each other. You can talk. There is no need for anything to be secret or hidden. You can all submit the same responses or not. Totally up to you guys.

Once you have gone through and rated their responses to the each applicant's questions, we will total those responses in the total column. You will sign in the box, print your name next to it. Signature and printed name are required or they are not, counted. So we gotta have those signatures, and then I will collect them all, tally everything, hand everything to Michelle, and that will be the official or, I guess, unofficial until counsel says it's official way that we are moving forward with. So please make sure your your signature and your printed response are on there, and then I will take all of the ballots if you wanna call them that and get to work telling you those responses.

Okay. Not worth discussing at this point why we have to do this again. Fact is we're gonna do it again. Okay. Does anybody feel that they need to review any of the applicant's answers in order to be able to fill this in appropriately?

If so, say so. We'll get access to it, and you all can take the time, if you needed, to look at what the answers actually were should you wanna build this out according to me. Yeah. I don't feel the need need personally, but I'm being respectful of anybody else that wants to take the time. Bottom line is we're only half hour into this meeting, so we're way ahead of time. I wanna make sure everybody feels comfortable about what you're doing here. I read them last time. Yeah. So did I. And there was I think it was stipulated there would be no additional information, so it's the same thing that we looked at before.

That is correct. Yeah. Yeah. And there are links on the agenda. I think if anybody wanted to see it Correct. Like Michael certainly view it on the computer. But I'm serving here. I guess the answer is no. Not necessary. Thank you. Okay. Everybody voted? Everybody had to say voted, filled out their form. Now she has it. Done.

And then we'll have anything else on the agenda? Anybody has any comments, suggestions, discussions just for the general?

Well, I'd like to add this then to the next meeting.

Send it to well, you already sent it to me. I'll make sure that when Michael does the agenda next time, we will include that as an agenda item and as an attachment so that everybody has it.

Yep.

Yes. So I know about it.

Copying Michelle too just so she's has a heads up that something else is coming.

I have a copy.

She would've if you sent it to the board Yeah. A e d e, whatever it is. She's she's she's on that distribution list. Yeah. So is the council members. So they would have gotten it too. But Will included as well because we all have. And, honestly, that's the thing with anybody. If they want if you want something presented at the meeting and discussed, feel free to let us know, and we'll, you know, put it on the agenda. But it has to be on the agenda in order for us to act.

And it has to be in the Thursday before the meeting because that's when I have to turn the agenda.

You've already beat that deadline by a month. That is correct.

You're not allowed to discuss anything outside of the?

Nope. I mean, we can discuss as just general conversations. We can't act on any of those conversations for that, which we would you're asking the board to do something that is different.

Can we discuss it even though we don't have something?

Yeah. Can we discuss the why they submit

or ask them to connect? To be honest with you, I would rather do it as part of next meeting. I think that's probably

But I'm sure there's gonna be people that are gonna wanna sit in and be a fly in the wall and talk before, and

it'll get the it'll it'll get the proper attention it deserves to be considered. And if she's allowed to speak on the recording in this meeting, all of those people will be able to watch the recording and find out if their interests have already been aired and may or may not need to.

I will ask one of our resident parliamentarians. Do you have another one we could give to him? Find out what is the appropriate what we can and cannot do, should or shouldn't do.

Do anything about that letter, but we can discuss No.

But the letter tell tell just expresses to them. Yeah. Yeah. She's talking about what we're talking about.

I personally would like to know what litigation we are concerned about imposing on the town potentially.

So the question at hand is that we're in just general discussion. Yeah. The meeting is almost over. Can this be part of general discussion, or should it be?

Can be it can be discussed, but not voted on. But it can be discussed. Can be discussed. Yeah. Alright.

And no actions will Which I have no issue with. Yeah. Okay.

I will read it then. I won't make a motion for it, but I like to read it. So I sent a re a request to resend prior recommendation through the fence fees for air park residents to this board dated today, and I sent everyone a document. The document is submitted to request that the board resend or reverse its prior recommendation to the town solely as it relates to through the fence fee structure applicable to the air park residents. I will skip the motion at this time.

Reason for the request. This request is made because the current recommendation solely as it relates to through the fence fees proposed for the air park residents may fail to adequately protect the town from litigation risk and may fail to adequately protect the airport from potential FAA airport compliance complaints. Complaints, including an informal complaint 14 CFR Park thirteen to the extent those resident through the fence fees could be alleged to be unreasonable, unjustly, discriminatory, or otherwise inconsistent with applicable federal airport obligations. This concern is directed to the resident through the fence fee structure and not directed to the other fee increases or to through the fence fees applicable to commercial operators accordingly. Resending or revising that portion of the recommendation is requested so that the matter can be reconsidered and any further recommendation can be framed in a manner that protects both the town and the airport while reducing potential legal and regulatory exposure without disrupting the remaining fee increases or through the fence fee structure applicable to commercial operators.

That's what I would like to talk about or have a motion proposed for at the next meeting.

Yeah. What kind of vote amongst the residents would be necessary to represent the residents short of 100% agreement with those proposed fees.

I think that question would be better proposed to an HOA representative.

I have a question. In anticipation of it being on the agenda, as a board, are we allowed to ask someone who represents the HOA to come and speak at our meeting instead of as a public comment for a minute limitation?

I think if it's noticed, I I would I'd have to check with Debbie on that. But I I I think as long as it's noticed, I think that's probably okay. But

But it would have to be on the agenda discussion, the document, and then a representative, whoever that may be, the invited guest and be part of the agenda.

Be part of the discussion.

We've had plenty of consultants and other guests

Yeah. I think so.

Yeah.

Yeah. So there you are. K? So I think speaking to both of you actually, and answering kind of your Mhmm. Comment, I think that probably would be pertinent and appropriate.

Yeah. In anticipation of you can never get 100% of a group to agree on anything.

What But he has expressed in his public comment that he is in fact a the Yeah. What is he? President. Vice president of the HOA as it is officially organized.

Correct.

So I think it would certainly be appropriate for us to invite representation of the HOA as an official Yeah.

And he can express opinion but not speak for.

Right. And that's why I wanna discuss with the other members of the HOA. You know? Like, we're not prepared to give a presentation today, you know, but I'm sure we would we would appreciate an opportunity to discuss just a little further and send an email out to the residents just to kinda get some feedback. And then I'm not looking for any type of answer today, but an opportunity just to consult.

No. We're not asking for it. No.

Like, given thirty days, would you be able to make any kind of presentation? Yeah. Okay. For sure. For sure.

So my email is on the town's website. Okay. Shoot me an email. Let me know what you Okay. Thinking about time frame and whatnot because we wanna always wanna keep our agenda. Absolutely. Within a certain time frame, and then we'll have it as part of your agenda item. And unless anybody has any issue with that, we'll just go ahead with that. Then if I would expect it would be you or your president to

Yeah.

Yeah. Or both. Like, good? That'd be great.

So Yeah. It's a small

word. K.

Well, I mean, I I would run that by Debbie, but I I think that's fine. That's yeah.

You'll you'll take care of that in terms of just making sure what we just talked about is cool with, clerk clerk's office.

Sure.

Okay. And one of our

And then

you just let us know.

One of our intentions is that it would be a shame for the town's goal of reaching revenue neutrality at the airport to be held up by one or two residents who absolutely refuse to agree to the fees that make that possible.

Right.

Any other discussions about that item?

Well, what is the current ballpark percentage of people in the airpark that are part of the HOA?

That makes sense.

Maybe you don't go.

Yeah. We've got I think we're just over a 100 houses in the HOA total. I'd have to look at my my little book.

Can you bring that when you Absolutely. Next month? I don't think that's part of it.

Easily done. You know, it's got maps in it too if we wanna just we've kind of got kind of numbers all over the board on who actually has access and who doesn't. Right. So we can clarify that as well.

And, frankly, I think at some point, you all might be asked to clarify that to counsel as part of their public discussion or town staff. Those are questions we asked as part of our decision making process.

Thank you for extending that invitation out to agent. Right? I I greatly appreciate it.

Sure. I mean Oh, absolutely. It's a no brainer.

Yeah. I think when I circle back later today with an email, I think everyone on the board at a minimum, and then that'll, like, send out to the residents. I think they'll all be very appreciative of just the opportunity to talk and the recognition of what's going on. You know? Because I

mean Sure. I I I think a 100%

there is a 100% I think a 100% of the residents love the airport. I can't think of a single resident that has any issue. I don't fly. I don't have a hangar. So I'm, you know, I'm up in the air. But

Pun intended. Right.

Yeah. She takes you for jury rides.

But, like, the air the airfare. We have a 100 people come to our house, and it's, like, the most hear that house? Yeah. We have a ton of fun. Everybody loves it. It's great. Cool. So, you know, we can't you know, we we just that wasn't our goal. We moved to that house before it's sure turned into something enjoyable having the airport in the backyard.

So And the air parks are a wonderful thing. There should be more of it.

It's a diamond in the rough. So Yeah. I'm very fortunate.

I think the only comment I would have as we discuss this at the next meeting is if we are being asked to resend a recommendation that we've made, that there are options that are presented that replace the recommendation that we have.

It's not really feasible for us to just drop that component of fee structure. It doesn't make it very possible

to reach.

I I wanna hear what what your ideas are Okay. If, in fact, we're gonna resend our proposal.

I I would also just say there's, the I'm not sure what the timeline is on this item coming back to counsel because we're this is all going through our attorneys as well. We're not sure about any of this either. So there's there's due diligence being done on our end. So it's it's far from being a state where, you know, it's, like, gonna come up next meeting. We're gonna vote on it.

So, I I think the the fee structure was put in place where seeing if, you know, you know, we're we're certainly looking at all the the deeded access and all that. So, I think there is time to your point if if so choose that if if there's a different fee schedule to to accommodate for for this or whatever that's that's, you know, again presented. I I think there's time for that. So

And we made it clear last meeting that our submitting the proposal was simply step one in a very long step up process, and it's up to counsel whether or not they want to impose any fees. Well, they

can scratch anything they want. That decision is made, there's still a process that the staff undergoes. And, you know Yeah. It's so there's there's multiple steps before it gets to the council vote to say yay or nay. Yep.

Yep. Those are all valid points, and I would just add to that. I think you could go back to all of the videos that we've had in the last six months about this process and everything we recommended. We all were very adamant with the town as part of your previously submitted white paper and the questions that we've all had regarding the FAA then legality. And we as a board insisted that the town staff and the town attorneys run this to ground and do a complete legal evaluation of what it is that we're recommending or had recommended simply because one thing, we don't have access to as an airport board is attorneys.

We have one on the board, but he does not give us legal advice. But we insisted, and I think everybody remembers that more than once that, okay. But you gotta do your due diligence. This is not something that's gonna be rammed down everybody's throats, and there's some unanswered questions that we had that were not qualified nor do we have the resources to, in fact, answer them, and we insist that the town get those answers. I think by rescinding what we voted on kinda pulls that necessity off the table.

And that's just kinda where I'm at. It's like, look, I'd like to get those answers because we don't know them, and we don't have the resources to get them. The town does.

And our recommendations are not a all or nothing package and what have you. The council may take three or four of our recommendations and throw out the rest and say, no. We're doing our thing.

I would anticipate that is exactly what would happen. Not a negative thing. That's their job. They're elected to do that and get evaluated on our recommendations, and they're the ones that are chosen by the folks to make those decisions. So there you go. It's also worth listening to the, residents. Right?

Mhmm. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I think we're all on that same page.

I think we have it even on recording last meeting that that promise was made to meet with and hear the voice of the residents.

I mean, he's ever been a slam dunk. We don't want it to be a slam dunk. It's inappropriate to be a slam dunk. It's an heavy community engagement decisions. We did what we were asked to do. We made the recommendation, and, I'd like to see it through. But have that discussion and debate, have a vote, the next meeting.

You know, it's painful because the number's so big. You know, we are in such a big hole. Revenue is a 150,000. You're in the hole, a 170,000. Yep. It's just a big number, and that is tough for people to accept and understand. But what the proposal we we gave to the city is to get it to net neutral, and it is painful.

And, like, in my opinion, that's that's that's supposed to be a target. That's not, you know, do this tomorrow. That's that's a goal. That's a that's a end goal move towards revenue neutral. In a phased manner even. In in, yeah, in a a manner that makes sense, in a a manner that, you know, we certainly thought was fair and reasonable in the process. And we've got you know, we've had input along the whole process, which took, I don't know, six months

at least. Yeah. So,

you know, we'll put it on the agenda, and people can come and they can comment. You know, that's part of the process.

One question I have, though, is is a large number of the residents are in fact already paying a through the fence fee.

Well, 33 out of a 100 are paying a through the fence fee.

Is that what the number is? Pretty close. Is that right?

Yeah. Pretty 20% ish.

So is it the folks that are paying the fee? And I don't I don't want names. I don't want just a generalized answer. Are the folks who are paying the fees taking issue with the fees, or is it the people who have never paid a fee that are now questioning why they're being expected to pay a fee? Both. Really? And of the folks that have been paying the fee that are taking issue with it, are they taking issue with the increase or the fee altogether?

I think I think that's a if I can answer.

I think you can.

I think, a, the increase, which increase is expected, but I think it's a pretty drastic increase.

Uh-huh.

There are a couple residents that have larger hangars. I think the square footage fee is making them, you know Correct. Exactly.

Good. Do

they acknowledge the equitable charge of that square footage fee across the board?

Haven't gotten that far yet. I But, you know, I booked there's a resident that's finished building a hangar. Beautiful. Haven't seen it in

a second. I think,

you know, the square footage of that place is almost industrial size. Now whether he's running a business out of there or not, I don't know. But I think that's part of it. You know? And then, like, for myself, my wife, we have no plane, no hangar. Albeit, we've got beautiful spots to have it. In order to do that, I think we have to get a a bridge permit because we have to go over the culvert, yada yada yada. You know? So we don't even go through the fence. We just happen to have a wonderful location with no plane, no hangar.

Again, love the air airport, but, you know, wanna have discussion.

And you get to watch planes come and go for free.

It's great. All all all days all all hours of the day.

Cool. Another

subject I was thinking, are there any other airports in the state similar to ours? Airpark, municipal airport.

I think we're the only one that has a residential portion attached to a, I mean, publicly owned airport.

The only one that I That and I've talked to a few of my neighbors that we could come up with is Metal Link. I think residential

I think you might be right. But the other interesting thing is Platte Valley just changed as new owners. And there's homes that are there that have access. Not very many. Just a couple.

I think Meadowlake is probably, from what I can tell, the closest that we may have to our situation.

Is that over?

It it is a quasi public. They receive FAA That was my next question. Think that they are the kind of They are one of the you if if maybe the only airport, private airport that, oh, is allowed to get FAA funds. In fact, they were designated as a reliever for Colorado Springs. Oh, exactly. And because of that, and you may know this, I don't know, they were doing a $150,000 for being a reliever air force. I don't know if that is an annual thing or if that was a onetime payment. Yeah. Let's see the specifics of it. But yeah.

So they're in the international airspace system if they're a reliever. But I'd like this board to study what Meadowlake is doing for funding to see if we can learn anything.

What about Kelly or Kristen?

So you're private. Yeah. But I I think Okay. I think Platte Valley has gotten some funding because I know one person that had a hangar there was told, you need to clear out all your non aviation stuff because he he had all cars in a very big hangar. And they have a new owner there. And there's even a there's even a that or a flight school there. But I don't I don't know. They were private.

They were little I was able to learn on Mountain Lake after we kind of said, maybe this thing is close. He has number one reliever thing. And then on the residential side, they they charge based on assessed value of the property.

Mason, Arizona is another one. That's an air park off the end, and it's a municipal airport. Yeah. I don't know what their structure is. They have a restaurant there.

You know, and Meadowlake is private. I don't know how much they'd be willing to share with us, but they've gotta have a report manager.

Have you asked Jason? What's that? Have you asked Jason, like

I have not asked Jason that question. I would.

Because he may he may have access to the mayor port manager. Yeah. He may know know the person.

Yeah. How we bring this up is, hey. Have we thought of everything?

Yeah. We

got a ballpark basis.

Sure. Yeah. Important.

Reach out to Jason and ask him.

I'll do that.

Because he may just oh, yeah. I've talked to that person. Something.

Anything else? K.

Thank you.