Airport Economic Development Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

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Sounds like it, my man. What was today?

The nineteenth. The nineteenth. Right? Yep. Yep. Okay. Today is March, and I'm calling to order the meeting of the Erie Airport Economic Development Advisory Board. Roll call. Michael Bowden.

Here.

Kevin Cain is not coming. Emmett Dowling. All of her family is here. Lyle Martin. Here. Drew McClain. Here. Jennifer Webb. Here. Excellent. Pledge of allegiance. Hey, man. This is one of your last meetings.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and the treaty of the republic for which it stands, one nation under the law.

Anybody have a copy of the agenda? Thank you. Got one? Still looking for

your paper. Yeah. Thank

you.

Thanks so much.

Has had a chance to look at it? No. Ask questions, concerns. Motion to approve.

So Second. PowerPoint. All in favor?

Aye. Aye. Opposed? So

I'll plug it in. Yeah.

Previous meeting minutes, do we have those?

They are in the email inbox. They're in their email inbox, and they're in their system now.

Okay. Has everybody had a chance to look at them? Questions, comments, concerns? Motion to approve.

Document attached to it. You. Pretty long in the documents, the white paper attached to it. I have it in touch for the minutes then.

I had no problem with anybody else. What what is document inside? Talking about the easement document that was given to yeah. Right? That'd be good. Do we have a copy of that? I don't have a copy of it.

Oh, the white paper document. The easement document.

Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.

The lawyer's assessment and the and the I have no issue with that as anyone else. So we should hold off on approving these minutes from the last meeting. Who who brought them last time or the

I did.

Yeah. Okay. So

you don't have those?

No. I I just want them included in the packet. I thought it So so yeah.

So that is a legitimate question concern. And digital copy of it and stand in?

Yeah. There's a digital copy. Paul has a copy. I have a copy. Okay.

Alright. So what we should

do is we should present as on the next meeting

Yeah. The same minutes Okay.

And attach that give them to Michelle because this should show up as the, you know, the links. Yep.

And then we'll approve it all together, making sure that that document is part of the record. Yep. Okay. And everybody's good with that? Yep. Alright. So we're gonna disable that decision. K. It's fine.

Oh, my non sniffing. If

you would, for the meetings for this minute, make sure that's reflected in those minutes Yes. That we decided to do that.

So I can give you this.

Okay. What's the description of it? Wait.

Do you know that?

What's that? It is

the unfortunate lawyer who died in a crash.

The one for Yeah. Something like that.

So Fresno, his law firm is the one who did the white paper. Okay. And it was a discussion about these various issues that have been raised, suits, whatever you call them, with the courts and the issues relating to the easements. Oh, is Was

that one of the documents that our friend at the airport posted on his email to us?

Could have been

Yeah. Is this

is this a legal document then? Legal document. Somebody paid a lawyer to do an analysis of the easements.

Right. She brought it and presented it to everyone last meeting, I believe it was. I've seen it. I've read it. Yeah. It should be it should be added to the minutes as an actual document because we did discuss it. K? Yeah.

Good. What about the other documents that were submitted to us via email? Should we attach those to publishing?

No. No. I don't think so because she presented it as a member of the board as part of a discussion of an agenda item,

and those were just stuff that was sent to us from people who But they were sent to the board. I don't know. It's

not part of the record. No.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But her document would be as presented by a board member. Yeah. Okay. K. Sounds good. Good. Alright.

Public comment. Is anybody here that wants to make a comment? No.

That's the same.

Welcome. Okay. Here we go. Alright. We're at it. This is the Airpark North South connectivity study.

Got a quick PowerPoint for you. Give you some highlights of the study, some public outreach events that have happened or the one that has happened. Then also start with a little bit of history of just the transportation divisions since it's new. So I just kinda wanna give you an idea of this group.

Yeah. I know. I know the way shit. Oh, whatever. We'll we'll go with it.

Yeah. I know. It's, like, changing ratio on me for some reason. Yeah. Okay.

Yep. So just a few topic items I'm gonna cover for this presentation.

Jeez, man. What are

you doing?

Getting a little ball.

I'm like this guy.

I'm like the tech guy too.

Oh my gosh.

Where's Lucky? Hey. He's at, like, a bachelorette party. He doesn't care about us today.

Yeah. So the topic's next slide.

Lockheed said a bachelorette. Heard me?

Is that what I said?

Maybe he's

a special guest. I don't know. He's the entertainment.

So some history on the transportation division, just give you a timeline of, like, basically, the five years. Transportation division is brand new, so it's going on its fourth fourth year. Streets, you know, was under the town engineer, then the transportation division was created. Then the following year, there was a big reorganize organization reorganize. Is that the right word?

The restructure. We'll go with that. So that's put together this transportation team and the streets team together under public works. And then 2025 last year, we were fully staffed, which is great. And even better news that this coming or this year, we have a new position for our streets team that became available, so we'll be filling that position this year. So we have more crew out on the streets.

How big is it? Fully staffed.

Yep. We're right at that.

Hey. I don't like this. I'm gonna work on it. Give me one sec. Entertain yourselves. Okay.

We'll see. While he's doing that Yeah.

I'll introduce myself. Yeah. That would be wonderful. Yes. I'm John Ferruzzi. I'm the transmission mobility manager here at the town of Erie. Miguel and I, we are part of that division that Miguel is presenting on today. And as part of our process, we have completed a transmission mobility plan. That's what's kinda guiding, governing our efforts into the future. So our individual projects and programs and our our staffing activities all kinda relates back to that transmission mobility plan that we have.

So what we're here to today to talk about is mainly component that's being proposed as an add on to the transmission mobility plan, something that was proposed through the council process and that we have presented to the public. We've connected with Jason at the airport. We've connected with different stakeholders along the way. So you are part of that stakeholder group that we wanted to connect with. And as part of the process, I wanted to be here to hear any kind of questions, comments, issues, as we kinda go through the details of that, feasibility analysis. Perfect.

Yep. Awesome. And just for my background too, I'm the transportation planner for the town of Erie, so I'm also part of that. Just you know, there we go. Yeah. So with the transportation division, the teams are broken up. We have the transportation mobility, the three of us. We also have an engineer on our team. And then the street side, there's 10, and then plus one for that new position that's, opened this year. And then the lower half, you can see what kind of, responsibilities are associated with each of the teams.

So, of course, the streets team, they're more the boots on the ground, so they're taking care of the signs, the signals, striping, the conditions of the road. So they they maintain all of that as well as plowing and street sweeping. And then in house, we do a lot of regional coordination with our regional partners. So whether that's RTD, Doctor. Cog, CDOT, and the adjacent cities and towns, so Lafayette, Broomfield, Tacono.

We also work on a lot of, transit components, multimodal, do some data modeling and, some development review. So when we get applications into the town, we have a transportation component where we review the applications to make sure they are aligned with the transportation mobility plan as well as our engineering standards and specs that's set with the town. So we guide development to make sure they are doing things right.

Do all forms of transportation come under your group? Yes. Yep. Including aircraft

traffic? So the public works department does handle the airport related issues. We kind of, on our group, focus more on streets and roadways predominantly, not so much with the airport related topic. Our director, David Pasic, is is mainly the point of contact on the airport topic. And we do, have some of the regional, conversations. We do interact with other jurisdictions that do have staff members that are directly involved with with their airports, like, at Longmont or other other jurisdictions around us. And so we bring that information back and forth. We're we're a facilitator usually in that effort.

I asked because you talk about regional coordination, and I wonder if you or team or what have you is involved at all in talking with the other airports in the area and the traffic that goes back and forth between?

We take expertise from Jason as our, you know, airport manager and and share that typically with the conversations that we have at the regional level. But, again, we just can facilitate the dialogue. So, hypothetically speaking,

should there be a extension of Arapahoe Road to create a new entrance to the airport from the north, y'all would be heavily involved.

Correct. Yep. Yes. That would

be us.

Yeah. Especially Like the roadway? Yeah.

Yeah. Yep.

That's not a very strong word to use to introduce that topic.

We don't do any boats or ferries. We don't that's not I know that's transportation, but we Okay. Not associated with that form. But yes. But if there was, we'd also create a policy for it. Policy for ebikes? That's strangely yes. We we coordinate a a lot with the police department on that one because they're, yeah, they're the ones who

have to enforce it. So yeah. Just a quick question. Those 13 positions, were those all new in 2021, or were they just organized into this division? Yeah.

The three on the left are new, since 2022, and then the 10 have been there for I think they've been growing over the few years.

Yeah, they've They were just lump lumped into, you know, transportation. Correct.

Yeah. They were under engineering before.

Yeah. And

are you folks aware of all the traffic going through the airport to circumvent a light over on Highway 7.

Yeah. So we're gonna get into that.

Yeah. Going.

Yep. The there's a lot going on, and and, actually, we've we've been out to survey the site a little bit, connect with Jason while he was out kinda helping us get an understanding of what's happening. We did see a couple of folks kinda drive through, and and so we were, yeah, aware of the issue. Okay.

And then, here's just a flowchart of just how projects go through the process. So, they come they are based out of the transportation mobility plan. We have a projects list, as John has mentioned, that's listed out tons of projects in in that plan. And then we also have a set of engineering standards and specs that are more the specifics, so, like, the height of the curve, the kind of materials that's being used, the curve of the road, all those kind of, like, very specific details are set in that engineering standards and specs. So those two documents together are used by either for our CIP projects or by developers when they come in and apply for developing some lands, then that all of that goes through a series of design and a review process, and that could be as quick as just one review process.

Or some have taken, like, I've heard 11 to 15 times to get reviewed and make sure everything is according to our standards. And then once that's done and approved, it goes to construction. And after construction, our maintenance team maintains the infrastructure. Next. You're going to the project now. Alright. You may hear some different names of the project.

I think

it's still in the works, but the recent one is Airpark North South connectivity study, or it might be an airport connection study, but I think this is what we're moving forward with. So why is the project stud why is it happening? Well, we were directed by council. Staff was directed by council to conduct the study to look into an alternative connection through or around the airport. So that one would yeah.

North South connection. This has been driven out of the County Line Road that's been, I'll say, realigned. The southern portion, of course, close to Lafayette's water facility is closed. So that has shifted traffic around. And so I think that that is one of the reasons why we're we're looking into this.

And one of those areas that traffic has been shifted to is the Vista Ridge neighborhood, and so they've been pretty vocal about increased traffic on Vista Parkway and Mountain View Boulevard through their neighborhood. So And who's managing the study? The Tonneviri and our consultant, DJ NA. So you may see them, in and out throughout this project, and they'll be present helping us present at, town council at the end of well, now it's early May. We just got an update for presentation. So

And I'm assuming there was a study done before County Line was closed down there in anticipation of the redirection of traffic. Right?

That would of that would come through the traffic impact analysis study for the Parkdale development. Right. As they are they have more improvements to make for that development, and one of them completing the Coal Creek Boulevard Road through their through that neighborhood. Right now, if you've been to that area, you see the road closed barricades.

Yeah.

That road will continue further north and do and I'll I have a picture coming up, but it does an s curve and connects back to County Line Road

as a overlay road. Process question real quick. Would it be easier for you to get through your presentation and then ask questions, or do you care if we jump in in between? I think it'd probably be more efficient because we got a lot to do.

Yeah. Because it I typically would like to go through the presentation because I might answer some questions you're

Perfect. Having. Why don't we do that?

I told Mike Elliott's two hours, so we're gonna be in

two minutes. But yeah. So why don't we do that? We'll run through it, and then we'll soon as you get questions, go ahead and write it down.

So and then I got some sorry for the boring text, but I have do have some pictures coming up here soon. But what's the study looking at? So it's looking at the land uses and the built environment. So what facilities are or buildings are there in in the area from Vista Ridge or sorry, Vista Parkway along County Line Road all the way down to Highway 7. It's kind of that area. And then there's the Coal Creek, of course. So what what are the limitations and the requirements? Most of them come through FEMA, so we have to abide by those regulations. Same thing with the airport. There's regulations on that from the FAA.

And, so from all that, the consultant looked at five to six alternatives. And then back in early December, those were presented to counsel, and they reduced it down to three, which I will show in just a moment. And then, the second half of the study will include the cost benefit analysis and costs associated with those alternatives, and that is currently underway. And we should have results of that, April.

There's your

timeline. There's your timeline. So right in the middle, presenting to y'all on the March 19, cost of analysis report. I will need to update that because I just got an update from our consultant today, that it's early April now instead of March, and also update the final presentation to council, which is now May 5.

Cinco de Mayo. Cinco de Mayo. Yeah.

Alright. Here we go. Please stand for yourself. So kind of familiarize yourself. Here's Highway 7 down here.

Sorry for its blurriness. Airport Road right here or drive. The old County Line Road through the water facility, and then Mon County Line Road to Monroe in this area. So this lists all the constraints or existing infrastructure that's around the the airports, which is over here, but the the the consultants had looked at this right of way that's right in between the two right on the county line, with Weld and this is Boulder County. So the connection is looking somewhere at that curve of Monroe and County Line Road heading south, and they offered two alternatives to either connect back to Airport Road or head directly south to Highway 7.

So, yeah, so that's kind of what what they looked at. This is the creek as well. So kinda looking kinda zooming out to the bigger picture. There were some other alternatives that were looked up on the north side to come down from Vista Parkway or one to go under the runway. Those were all, cut off the alternatives map from council.

One that was kept, though, was the air airport emergency access to come in from the north. But what that looks like is still to be determined, specifically, if there needs to be any kind of gates or, preventing the general public from accessing that direction. But, yes, right here, you can see the s curve of what Coal Creek Boulevard will become when Parkdale is fully built out, and we're at the mercy of the developer for them when they put that in because the you know, we know that the economy and housing market is starting to slow down, and I really think that's gonna dictate dictate, how fast they move on their project, which results in how fast we get Coal Creek Boulevard built out, unless you know anything more than what I do. Same. Okay.

Camelina Road will, curve into Coal Creek Boulevard. You'll be able able to still access, Monroe Street and the southern portion of County Lane Road. And then from there, have another have that branch off of those, the two alternatives, to connect down to Highway 7. So there's still it's not a direct route for either alternative. You'd still have to make a couple left if you're heading south, still have to make a couple of left turns to continue, down to Highway 7.

So we've listed them as alternative a, alternative b, and then we've kept the count the Coal Creek Boulevard as alternative zero. So it's basically just let the developer take care of the roadway connection and don't do anything else. So

Is there a road incoming to the East Of County Line Road to the north here that's a future roadway?

Wait. Sorry. To the north?

To the east. Yeah. East Of County Line Road that's

being added. So maybe I can jump in. Is that okay, Miguel? Yeah. So our transmission mobility plan does have a road that comes in and connects to Vista Parkway. You can kinda see it there just to the east of, yeah, the Camelina Road and Vista Intersection. And there there is a connection shown from that alignment down towards Airport Drive. So it's almost like a parallel segment of Canaline Road, but only as a collector, whereas Canyon Lane Road has more of a arterial connect connection going further north. But, yes, our transmission mobility mobility plan does show another short route in that segment.

Okay. So collector two lane road then then

Correct. Stoplight at Vista Parkway or unknown? We don't specify that until we start looking more closely into what's known as, like, stop warrants, stop sign warrants or signal warrants, and we have a roundabout first policy. So whenever we have intersections, we always start with a roundabout to see if it's, yeah, if it makes sense, if it's doable for a location versus not. I should mention that, basically, part of the reason for why we are looking at Arapahoe Road, Airport Drive, Coal Coal Creek Parkway, and and the roads that were you know, the Kalamai Road that was the dog leg that was there before, but it's now closed along the Lafayette facility is because there's this growing concern about, development activity and the amount of traffic that's growing in the town and how we are managing that.

We have modeled in the transmission mobility plan the build out condition for the town. The roadway connections, that that we have speak to the twenty fifty volumes that we expect at build out, and that's based on the land use zoning and the projected trip generation that would associate with the land use plus growth from the region. So we know there's kind of these two forces that we deal with when it comes to growth, what's happening around us, but what's also happening within our community. And so, our transmission mobility plan does speak to that, type of growth, but it's too macro. And that's why this microanalysis is is there to help with what's gonna happen with the specific areas, land uses, constraints, etcetera, that we're seeing within the landscape here.

So we started out with the what we call universe of the universal of possibilities. So all the possible connections, and some of them, you know, you're like, why are we studying a connection under a runway? You know? Is it necessary? Well, no. That was part of the process to understand that there is a possibility for a connection. But is it something that's desired or not? If it's not, we take it off the table, then we go to the next item. What we're left with here is coming out of that process where we looked at all the possible connections. We looked at the benefit high level benefit of any of those connections to see if there's any appetite based on stakeholder feedback, based on what we're seeing.

We're down to essentially three connection points. One is the airport specific emergency access that we've kept as a connect connection shown here, but also, really, what we're focusing on is the Canyon Lane Road extension to Colorado 7. That's the other kind of design desired alignment. And from that now, there are two more specific alignments for the properties around the vicinity of this feasibility study here. So the idea is that, you know, folks are asking why are we looking at Arapahoe?

Why are we looking at, you know, dip these different connections? Well, we wanted to assess everything first and whittle it down to what is then possibilities that are realistic. And then as part of the feasibility study, we would then study further or do a cost analysis further on something that does actually pan out as a benefit coming out of this analysis. So I'll let you continue there, but I just wanted to provide a little background information.

So so the public outreach event that we held at the airport at the airport hangar, which I think was really cool. Thank you, Jason, for that. We had 10 22 attendees, and it just the general consensus, as you can see, was the majority, were against, I'd say, about 80% of those who showed up. And then those that were in favor of roughly 20%, those that were in favor mostly were the Vista Ridge residents. So they spoke in favor of it, wanting some connection to, of course, move that traffic off of Vista Parkway. And so the the three oh, do we have three?

Oh, I

have one more coming up. Mhmm.

So the two slides that you've seen before were presented to residents just to give them the idea of what's what's going on, what's been looked at. And then this was kind of the more activity item that we had

for the

residents. Given the right way constraints of how wide we

would need

what would what we would need for a right of way to put in a two lane road, the curb and gutter at the minimum. And then what else with the remaining space, what else could we do with that? And so that's where we had residents decide if you could choose to fill up this 10 foot right of way gap, what would you like to see there? Because we can't fit our normal standards and specs of a collector street through the area because of all those constraints of the the creek, property lines, and other infrastructure in the way. So we're limited, so we have to kind of deviate off of our existing engineering and standard specs and create something new, a new type of, I guess, a new standard for this road since we can't fit all the items in this right one.

The majority did decide a shared use path would be good to fill up that gap. So shared use path is to build is wider than your normal, like, sidewalk against roadway. So this one would be 10 feet. It'd be used for, both cycling and walking. Typically, with our cross sections for a collector street, we'd have the cyclist in a bike lane on this on the pavement instead of behind the curb on the sidewalk. So it's kind of one adjustment that was made and recommended from the rest those who showed up.

I'm free. Yep. Go. Sorry. So just to kinda mention, our engineering standards for each one of the roadway classifications, like a local street or a collector street or an arterial, there's a certain amount of width that's identified for the right of way.

And then within that, there are designations just like what you're seeing here for the roadway assignments. And so, what we look at when we when we look at these is not just what's on the surface of the road, but what's also underneath. There's there are utilities basically assigned to that same space. We hold to those engineering standards for development projects or capital improvement projects. In this particular case, given that it's kind of a special assignment for us and we're trying to see if we can work through a constrained area, what would be then a potential alternative that wouldn't meet our standards head on?

And and that's really what we're what we're looking at here is is there something that we could do based on the constraints that we do have? If I were to get get questions about, you know, why is this road the way it is, we we would then refer back to these meetings and discussions and efforts to say, we're trying to accommodate a certain amount of traffic or truck traffic or whatever the the desires are associated with the traffic trip generation, but also work within an area that is basically constrained to accommodate what we can. So what are the priorities? What are the trade offs? That's the kind of conversation that we're facilitating here.

There are places in in town where we do have narrow roadways. They're rural style roadways, like, let's say, Erie Parkway close to I 25. These are areas where, you know, it's not necessarily safe for a cyclist to bike on a shoulder that's very narrow. And so what we plan to do with this is work through the priorities to understand, you know, would we wanna see cyclists hit there or not? If there isn't as part of the feedback that we get, do we prohibit that?

And we could do that through signing and other things to guide people to, like, let's say, the Coal Creek Trail or something parallel nearby. So that's what we're kinda working through here is understanding what the feedback is and then trying to figure out what alternatives do we have, how can we accommodate to the best of our ability given the constraints.

Sorry about that. Yep. Thank you.

So, yep, next few steps this month, we'll finish up the second half of the study. That'll show the, cost benefits and the cost to, each alternative or the two alternatives now and then present to council. And from there, council will decide if we continue forward based on the costs. We'll wait to hear from what they want out of this for the next step or just to cancel it.

Yeah. Our our meeting in May will likely be one where there's discussion with council about the results of the feasibility study, the cost estimate, some of the things that we've gone through in the process wise to get here. What we intend to do is take it from there to have a conversation if they want to then have a decision that would come a little later after that, but we do wanna present what are facts and findings out of the process. So that's what's scheduled for May 5 at this point.

Good? Yep. Questions. Go for it.

Alright. Why don't we start here? We'll work around the room.

Does your cost estimate include a signal at well, I've reset one.

Yeah. So that would look at that situation, what to do with the proposed signal for or is it proposed? It's approved. It's approved. Okay. For the approved signal at Airport Drive, because if we go with alternative b, it would have to include the cost of either moving that signal or, establishing a whole new one. But with CDOT standards, they're probably not gonna want a second one so close to that existing one. So it's most likely, that signal at Airport Drive would shift to the new.

Okay. So Airport Drive would be tied in into alternate b instead of the alternate a if you have the signal at alternate b. Mhmm.

So our wish is to have signalized access from any access point to Highway 7. I think that's what we would expect for left turns coming out of Airport Drive or left turns coming out of this new connection or any other connection along Highway 7 given that it's a high speed, high volume highway. As Miguel was mentioning, there's there's basically CDOT signal spacing guidelines associated with this, so we're trying to take that in into consideration. One of the things that this kind of brings about with the trade offs is trying to see if there is a way to accommodate both as signalized intersections. But even when you do, there are restrictions with one, and we don't know yet where CDOT is gonna provide feedback about, well, is it all you know, gonna be doable based on their based on deviations from their standard to have two closely spaced signals.

If so, how does it get coordinated? If so, what are the restrictions to make that work? What we do know is they will not allow two full movements in license intersections.

And my second question would be on the Schofield hangers that you're on right behind, do do you have to take any property to get to to be the adverse action? That's that's good.

Yeah. That's good. Yeah. We are not planning for that. So we're working around the constraints as you saw the narrowness of the road. So there's nothing there that is related to we would purchase property just like we would with any other project, so we're we're not, like, trying to condemn anything or, you know, go after any adverse type of actions against any property owner.

Specifically, you don't believe you'll have to remove any of those existing airport hangars?

Correct. That's that's where we're at the current state. Yeah. At the current stage. And so as we get into design, that's where the details start to kinda come about, and we're gonna be able to see, well, is it actually doable even if the right away shows, like, we have what we have. But what about slopes and curves and, you know, different things? What about utilities? Is that right away still sufficient?

Were your assumptions correct to begin with? Correct.

Yes. Do you

wanna there is a sliver on the county line that the town owns. And so we're we are looking at that right of way, and it's the 30 feet of what you know, the ones that I've showed you, what the public outreach, you know, filling the last space of how what we're gonna fill the right of way with. So you're able to fit in your two travel lanes, curving gutter, and then that, selected final piece for the, shared use path within that right of way. So it's the 30 feet. If you can zoom in.

Yep. Yes. So this piece is, wide enough for that roadway, so that's where it would be placed. So, yeah, so we this is probably a better map to show where that alignment, would be for behind these hangars right here. So you can see not taking out any property away. That is town property that goes just a little bit more north, and then it ends.

But then there's rents way north of it.

Yeah. Yeah. And I we're not too sure. I think we're still figuring out who owned I I don't know if that's still the town right here because it's not listed. So, anyways, that's where, the roadway would be placed.

Do you have any designs for the bridge?

We we won't have any designs with this. We'll just have a cost associated with it, just based off of what the materials that would be used, the width or the length of the bridge. If we had actual engineer design work, that would be much more expensive. At this point.

Preliminary engineering at this point.

Yeah. And would you have to reroute Coal Creek Trail there?

Most likely. I think we're gonna I think that's also part of the cost benefit analysis. If the bridge does go in, what does that look like for, the Coal Creek and then the trail as well?

Good. Yeah. Good. Gotcha.

I'm curious about airport security. When you bring public that close into the airport, have to protect the airport.

And so that would be part of the cost benefit as well. Like, do we need to because that was brought up at the open house as well. Do we need to look at fencing for the airport? Because it's one of the few airports in the country without a fence around it. So, yeah, if we go that route for this placement of the roadway through the behind the hangars, does just that area get fenced in? Does the whole thing whole airport? So that's something we'll add to that analysis as well for the final for the second half.

May I ask, is there something specific that we should be documenting as part of the process? Security wise, are there any incidents or concerns that might be something we can take away from this?

I just think there's a requirement with a public airport that you have to protect it. You have to protect the aircraft that are Mhmm. On-site and access to those aircraft.

Can't have unauthorized access on your airport for us.

Like, if you are wanting even a sidewalk like you have suggested there, then that's just another concern. We have to protect the airport.

That's great feedback. Thank you. Thank you. It does

protect the public from the airport because little kids don't know, oh, if I can walk through here or what have you, and then here comes a plane outside.

Yep. We actually currently have an issue right now where the fencing that does exist, closer to the Schofield irons or actually right where the Schofield irons are at. Some of that fencing is down, and we're trying to get, working with public works. And it's apparently right on the border of where the town owns the fence and the city of Lafayette owns the fence. And so there's a little bit of, like, who has to fix the fence. But currently, there are people accessing, the Schofield Taxiway from the trail. Right. And they've actually beaten down a little section and made their own trail. And so that's that's already a concern. So I I agree with that, I think.

There's just a berm there now. Yeah. People just go over it.

Yeah. Yeah. And the the fact there's been some graffiti recently on the Schofield Hangars probably, in my opinion, that probably wouldn't happen if the fencing was, more robust right there. So, I I definitely think that's a concern. I think if you had I'm not sure the road really contributes to that, but having another path right next to that road that runs that close to the airport would definitely fencing and security would be definitely a concern.

I'll ask another question. I'm sorry. I just wanna kind of make sure we capture this. So, if we didn't include sidewalk and trail along the roadway, does that help with the concern or no?

Personally, I mean, I I feel like the bigger you know, conceptually, I don't see any way anybody's gonna drive onto the airport, you know, given that layout right there. I'd be more concerned about the pedestrian and bicycle activity personally. You know, the adding another sidewalk there, knowing what's going on with Coal Creek Trail right now and, people's ability to to kinda circumnavigate, the little bit of fencing that's there, I'd be more concerned about that aspect of adding that road there would be any pedestrian or bicycle component and probably building some much more robust robust fence to keep any of that activity off the airport. Gotcha. This is.

Doesn't appear that there's a requirement for a full perimeter fence to be around general aviation airport like ours, but there's absolute town liability for people that wander onto the airport grounds, what have you. Then if something happens to them, the town's on the hook.

Yeah. That's safety.

Yeah. I mean, I imagine today that's possible. Correct? I mean, folks can drive through and have access and and that kind of thing. So as part of this project, if there's something we could do to help with improving the condition, again, that's kinda why we wanna have that conversation presentation and feedback. So let us know, like, what is the best kind of expectation to have with the roadway that would go through here in terms of security and and, you know, the kind of questions and issues. We're we're interested in hearing about that.

Currently, there's people so that little orange area, people can drive onto there where they can go up further into where those hangars are between the two black lines that are kinda people can access private property to get to a taxiway there at a couple of points. And then up at off of Main Street over there, they now they're they're sometimes they're having to go through a fence, which could be open or closed, but they're that's still driving through private property to access the airport. I I guess To get a airport road. Well and people can drive through Airport Road as well, either to one set of hangars or the other set of hangars and get through that. There's a fence at Airport Drive where it hits that taxiway that goes in there.

Uh-huh. So, yeah, I think Jason's point was, you know, having that road there. It it's nice to have the bike lane access and all that kind of stuff. And, the other thing is down at Highway 7 last summer, they were doing all these improvements. I'm not sure. Yeah.

Shoulder weight.

What exactly that did ultimately, but there were changes made down there as well.

Yeah. Thank you again. I I think especially, like, back to the question around around, like, a traffic signal and access and all that kind of stuff. These are factors that play into the need, you know, for what that looks like. So having an understanding of what level of, you know, access demand, you know, is being generated, therefore, then triggers all these other factors associated with signals and connectivity and etcetera. So

The emergency access road that you're you're talking about there, how does that cross the creek? How is it envisioned across the creek?

So at this point, it's a dash line over an area we haven't developed anything that speaks to, like, a bridge structure or, you know, a specific alignment, a point where things would cross, you know, at a certain point along the creek. In fact, we're just showing that as airport emergency access and not one of the alternatives because we haven't developed any details around it. We know that there's a desire for that connection point. We know it's important from from emergency access emergency responder needs, but we we don't have any details, and so we're just showing it as a line on the map.

It's not considered an alternative in the discussion. Correct.

Yeah. It's not. And that really can't be

a through street anyways just because of the taxiways and through the fence access from all those people on that side of it. It's just not it's just depicting, like you said, potential emergency Yes. To get to the airport in case of such emergency,

not to get through the airport to get to County 1 I mean, to Highway 7. So we had originally considered that, but that was removed. The 1 Of 7. Yeah. Exactly.

I I don't Hold on. Are you good? Okay. Go ahead. Is there an

alternative to dealing with the creek where you put a very large pipe for the water to go under, and then you fill in the land as opposed to, you know, your typical concrete bridge to allow water to go through that area, but then have land that could be developed into a road or whatever up on top of that.

So we don't have, like, a bridge to some design to showcase the alternatives around are we using walls or pillars or, you know, the the various, like, styles of of bridge construction. At this point, we are identifying the alignments, you know, from the cross sections, constraints, where things would connect. But we do intend to talk through that as part of the planner design. I don't know that it'll specify what kind of, like, box culvert versus, you know, something. We we're not at that level yet. So we we wanna know that until we do more design work.

Then what's the true purpose of that connector road from Vista Parkway over to Arapahoe Road? What how does that help anything?

Yeah. So there is a number of considerations in that vicinity for network connectivity. So we mentioned that Canyon Lane Road is a is a arterial, but then subsequently for access to, like, the lands in the vicinity, Collector Streets would be the ones to to provide that network connectivity. We are showing it given what's shown in the land use plan, but we don't have anything currently that is calling for it if that

Is that town owned land that that road is going through right now or not?

I don't think so. It's private.

Yeah. The only exception is immediately north of the runway. There's some open space that the town purchased. So I'll just do this. Private private. This little connector kind of public, but then back to private. So out of all this, maybe a small little hair is kind of town owned and open space, but the rest is all private.

And then to add to that, the roadway, the secondary or Collector Street going through Vista Parkway, we're trying to provide better connectivity throughout town so that way County Line Road isn't the only North South corridor, along that area. You know, the next one over would be 119th Street. So and as development occurs along County Lane Road, we wanna have this these alternative roads or connectivity roads that provide better access and are planned with development as they come in. So it's, again, kinda like in the TMP, we have this line to guide developers. If you do come in and develop this land, we like to see some kind of collector street or a neighborhood street going through this area, whatever that aligns with what they're proposing.

The thickness or width of that white line is a little deceiving with the the way it is. It's more similar to what's across the street, which might be I don't know. What is that? Quest Drive or something like that. I can't read the the street there, but that's more of a type of roadway connection that we're talking about for the for that segment that would connect into Vista Parkway.

But just so I'm clear, so that

area where that collective street may eventually end up is

zoned for future development? Yes.

Some of it. The immediate frontage on County Line. Yes.

North North Of Vista Parkway is that's, to my understanding, is all light industrial up there. Correct. But South Of Vista,

there's some open space.

Mostly open and These

these are industrial. This is industrial. That's open space. Most of the frontage in County Line is all industrial.

And I'll mention this also that if you have land developing in that area, the individual parcels of land wouldn't have direct access to County Line Road given that it's an arterial. So they need a secondary connection to connect to and come to a point where they can then connect onto Canyon Lane Road. So that's how this is, configured for those lands.

Would would I be correct in saying that the depiction of that little feeder over there is more in anticipation of developing that?

Correct. Yeah.

Like, you're not just gonna build a road that looks like that with all that that land open. Correct.

Yeah.

So the idea is that when that gets developed, whatever is being developed in there, we'll have two ways. One, you know, they can go through and connect up Vista Parkway and around the road. I think that makes more sense. You look at it right now and you go, why would you just put a road

there? Yeah. Looked like that.

Yeah. Land use. That's missing. Yes.

So you you put in development there, and then you understand that that development would then connect at two different places.

It's a lot on a map.

Any development plan would have to include such road.

Yes. Yes.

Exactly. Development plan. Yes. You're right.

Not before, but at part of. Similar to Parkdale now.

Yes. What's usually turped out for runway threshold up there, though? Like, you wouldn't be able to develop anything.

As far as off the end the runway? Yeah. So there's a RPZ or runway protection zone. There is actually development that is falls within things that can be built under an RPZ. One story Parking glass, parking structures, you know, things that don't access room. Yeah. But, but it's pretty limited.

Yeah.

We How far out would that extend beyond the creek, or would the RPZ for the north end of the threshold stay south of Coal Creek?

I believe it does currently. Yeah. There it is. There's a little. Yeah. And we control that mostly by easement right now so that things can't be built there without falling within those guidelines.

Overlay those two, will you, No. Now my liaison. Sorry.

But the the the land that the town just bought is kind of in that area.

It's Right. That outlined parcel. Yes.

Oh, wow.

And most of the reason for it is floodplain impacts.

But that's put in the the as part of that open space. They buy stuff.

Mhmm.

Yeah. Using reserve funds recommended by the Open Space Advisory Board. This one was part of a package deal with the Reynolds Eerie family, the Fear properties as part of a package of a few different properties all in one. This one, because of the the runway impacts and the protection zone, the floodplain, parks wanting connectivity to trails coming from Coal Creek. This one just made sense for parks to buy, but we intentionally made sure to keep this one available for future commercial industrial Okay. County line.

That makes a lot of sense. Yep. That's why I

come in these things.

And the the dumb question, just not having the history for it, but what is prohibitive about the use of old county line in this model?

I don't know if I The preexisting road.

The the town of Lafayette, basically

Town doesn't own it. Yeah. Lafayette. Right. The southern portion

of the facility.

Yeah. Was it it was closed by virtue of the expansion of the sewer plant.

Oh, not sure on that part.

But because they started building more structures on the other side of County Line Road. Yeah. So they crossed over. Expansion of this sewage plant.

I just think if I'm doing a cost benefit analysis, I bet that is cheaper to resolve with Lafayette than building the bridge and either alternate a or b.

Yeah. I don't think, I think the problem is, like I said, they built on the east and west side of County Line Road. Yeah.

And Mhmm.

And now they control the whole thing. And they're like, no. We're not having you go Yeah.

And I think there might have been an agreement with still cheaper. I think there was an agreement too with the Parkdale developments where Parkdale proposed that realignment with Coal Creek Boulevard connecting back to County Line Road. And then I think that was, like, kind of like a, yeah, a deal with Lafayette for them to take over County Line Road on that southern portion if Parkdale completes that connection. Gotcha.

This is the primary southern gateway to Erie from the South. For those kinds of major intersections and gateway points, you know, 90 degree angles are best, and that's at a hard forty, fifty degree angle. Weird. Yeah.

Mhmm.

And the right of way isn't sufficient. I mean, if you drive Coal Creek Boulevard, it's a hefty, what, four lane, five lane wide major entry point that could fit on the old county line.

Okay.

And Laffet's now started to block off that road.

Mhmm. Yeah. You can't go down.

But and, I mean, a lot originally, I mean, a number of discussions a long time ago. That realignment, one of the kind of made like, maybe not the major goals, but was to to to mitigate the or or change the entrance in the Erie from turning off Highway 7 and going through a a pretty heavy industrial area. Mhmm. And so Like, buy a sewage plant, sewage plant, trash.

And the blue jungle.

That's lofty. Yes. Not ours. Yeah.

But, I mean, you know, that was It

feels like we're reintroducing that. No?

Yes. I I I agree. I agree.

Cancel is.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

I'd like to feel it's a lot of.

You have another question? Did you get all your debt? Yep. You got any more? Yeah.

I I do have one. So is it forecasted that the the the final realignment of County Line and Coal Creek, the the one that hasn't been finished yet, the Parkdale is supposed to finish Mhmm. Is it anticipated that that might not provide enough, capacity, and that's why this other connection is there? Or

Well, Coal Creek, it will be when they fully build it out, it will be four lanes. Like, the existing portion of Coal Creek right now, that'll continue four lanes through up to Arapahoe Road and then connect. And then, of course, we're trying to address that connection further north on County Lane Road to kind of better align with what Parkdale is completing. But, yeah, it'll be a four lane road. It's supposed to manage, yeah, four lanes. So handles capacity.

Road never gets built. There's plenty of capacity for the existing alignment. And so is this like a Band Aid? Because we don't know when the other road is gonna get built, and so we're putting in

a road. Because it's been said publicly, I think the sentiment I've heard from council is that folks have a problem with going west to go east by bending through Cove By Parkdale to hit 7 to then go east on 7.

Yeah. I I believe that

because I think that's That's through the airport.

That block is really affecting their schedule. Yeah.

Yeah. It's it's not warranted by traffic. It's more just a convenience or a luxury wanting to go due south instead of west to go east.

Yeah. And I think the other component is for Parkdale, which is developing as a residential neighborhood. The roadway has capacity to handle the traffic that is Parkdale plus Canopyline extending north. Do we wanna have Canopyline's traffic in the Parkdale neighborhood, or should it you know, should trucks and other things be on a industrial route parallel to that? That's part of the conversation.

And I think, you know, again, that's why we're we're looking at this from a, perspective of what are the facts? Can this serve that, need? Is there enough right of way? But in reality, also, with Parkdale being the approved, you know, alternative, what is the cost benefit ratio for this project in relationship to travel travel time savings and other kinds of factors that that are associated with this.

There is a sense of

How would you handle the southbound traffic to turn left over the four lane road to get to this new road?

Like, at that intersection, like, around about or what would that look like?

Oh, right there. Yeah. That one? Yeah. So this this little red line of County Line Road will be removed. And so, yeah, you'll you'll start curving onto the four lane the new four lane road. But then at some point, you'll have a left turn lane to continue, heading south onto County Line Road. So that's what that design would look like. Or it could be a roundabout, but I think they're already approved with a t intersection like that.

So that'll Seems like it would

make a lot more sense.

200. Anticipated a fair volume of traffic, correct, including trucks. Yes. Has the course of that road changed at all since this has come up?

No. It's still on the table. Same exact line.

Okay. If you were to zoom in on alt a and alt b, are we truly considering alt a tying into Airport Drive or Airport Drive tying into alt b?

So alternative b doesn't show a tie in with Airport Drive. Alternative a is the

No. I understand that. But my question is if you the the fundamental problem you have right now that I see is very glaring in terms of all pay is you are cutting across private property for a developer who has a development plan in place that has been approved by the council and the road is being worked and so is that land, is that going to be considered as part of the cost analysis? Because you how are you gonna take Nassar's land? Because you're gonna have to pay him for what he has already been approved to develop with office space and whatnot if alt a does in fact go where it's going because it's got right across his property.

My guess is with that, with a cost benefit analysis, that it would be likely I would say that, Alt A would be, at the chopping block for that because of that development that's going in.

Or if Assuming he was willing to even discuss the option of paying for it.

Well, let me also mention that we did take everything that is proposed and in the works and accounted for that as part of the alternatives that we have here. So it's not like we are drawing lines through areas that don't have any potential for a roadway. Now would it be a cheap option with constraints and other things in the way? Maybe not. And that's what we're studying.

And and part of the concern that we have now is alt A, which comes out on Airport Drive where the polite has already been approved that Nassar is gonna pay for as part of his development plan. K? If there's a different entrance to Highway 7, say, Alt B, the light

at Alt A would essentially go away because we believe CDOT is never going to approve two lights there. It's gonna be one or the other. Correct? So let me mention real quick that while the agreement that NASA's development has around a commitment to a signal, they haven't vetted that out with CDOT themselves. Right.

And it doesn't have to happen right away. It happens

And it may never happen if CDOT doesn't approve it either.

Is that right? And there's still a question as if there was a light at Alt A as to whether c dot CDOT would approve a light at Alt A because of its proximity to Coal Creek Boulevard. That's still a question. Right?

I can Cdot standards is their placement of signals half a mile apart. So the rough rough spacing of a hundred and nineteenth to Coal Creek is a half mile Uh-huh. As well as Alternate B and Coal Creek is half half mile, and then this portion is about So so Ben had to ask.

So my question is, why would there not be, like, Alt C where Airport Drive, where it comes down and starts heading west, and then it goes south, why would it not make more sense to just cut between Schofield and Anassar's development and just have Airport Road be redirected and connected to Alt B.

And that's very much a possibility. We're just looking at alignments at the moment. But what you're saying is when when it's refined, does it make more sense to bring it in tighter? Yeah. Change Airport Drive instead. Yeah. And that's, yeah, very much a possibility. At this point, we haven't gotten to that level yet to get into the weeds a little bit and and understand the alignments, it's all high level, which is why it's shown this way.

Okay. Alt o, Parkdale, the developer, is responsible for doing that. Yes. What is the time frame on that?

So that's where it depends on the developer's phasing of their project. So as they propose to build more homes, then they have to make more public improvements, and the timing is really dependent on when they wanna go in and build more homes.

Is there an estimate as to what it's gonna cost a developer to do that?

For the construction of the roadway? Yeah. I'm sure they have it, but I don't think we have it. I'm not sure if you're aware of.

It's in their development agreement.

I don't

know what the number is.

Yes.

We can probably put an estimate based off, like, our cost of what cost us to construct a road. We could probably put that together, yeah, we don't know the exact number.

And then sooner or later, you're gonna get a cost benefit a cost analysis as to what it's gonna cost should you decide to do alt b or alt a to build that road, build that bridge, and do whatever?

Well, first, we're looking at it. Is it feasible?

Well, I understand that. I'm getting to that. It is. My question is

It is yes. You're right.

It would What is the cost to do that? Yes. And per your comment, which is valid, is this a Band Aid because we have to wait for them to do theirs? And if theirs was already done, would we be having this conversation today? I suspect not.

So if this is gonna cost you when we've had some preliminary costs for building a road to extend Arapahoe into the airport, not a through street, but into the airport or the bridge and everything that was five years ago or so is $8,000,000. So it's probably $10,000,000, and that alt a or b is probably gonna cost well over $10,000,000, what would it cost to do that road and just finish it? Get it done and then negotiate with the developer. Okay. Look.

We can't wait for you to develop. It's gonna be developed, but we're not gonna spend $15,000,000 to build this only because we gotta wait for you to do it. So just build the damn thing. Because this me, it seems like a like you say, it's it seems like a Band Aid because of timing more than anything. That's just what I see.

And we appreciate that feedback. Yeah. You're good.

Anybody else?

Please stop taking these all all his comments back to that council. So

We're watch this one.

Let's make it a long

night. I

don't think, personally, and I think someone else said it here, I do not think building alt a or alt B is gonna keep people from growing through Vista Ridge. Yep. They're gonna do it no matter what. It's not gonna change.

And I also I mean, I don't know if it's been looked at, but I think part of the problem with the current configuration is a little tight spot where you're on the Old County Line Road. You come down and kinda got a little jog over, and, you know, I see that ultimate route as being you know, again, I guess it's just up to people's own personal preferences, but that's far less cumbersome than the current alignment of it. You know, the the final version of it seems like it, you know, smooths out a lot of that friction, you know, from a current alignment. And then I just look at the alt a and alt b having those two old jogs, and I'm really Doesn't really help. Yeah.

I mean, if if you could just say, hey. Let you know, cut one straight road through, you go, okay. Well, you know, that seems like maybe maybe it solves a problem. But yeah. And I've we've had that conversation where maybe we just accelerate the development of the final alignment of Vista Ridge and if it's possible or of, Coal Creek. And, you know, I'm sure the developer would love to finish it now and pay today's rates than whatever it's gonna cost them to build it five years and, you know, maybe the town fronts it somehow. I don't know if it's beyond me, but maybe we accelerate the development of that final phase of that. That's kinda what I'm saying.

Maybe I can ask a quick question here. Just, again, we're trying to capture input about, you know, the the project with our stakeholders. So would alternative a, alternative b, or any version of these alternatives provide any benefit to the airport and its adjacent uses from your perspective? No.

Yeah. There there were c axes. Axes. Access is a problem.

That's what we need to capture from. Yeah.

This And the feedback that I've got from people here at the airport is any alternative that potentially knocks the stoplight off, I mean, a stoplight at Highway 7 and Airport Drive has been something that everybody has thought, and especially given that Nassar's, significantly increasing the amount of traffic on Airport Drive. You know, any any alternative that potentially, kiboshes the Airport Drive signal in the future. People at the airport Yeah. From from what they told me are against. So

I would argue that if you moved away from the concept of the emergency access only on the green depicted northern access that was built out to the $6,000,000 aspect with infrastructure development, that that would close the short term need and that you could then close that off speed bump utility, protect it later when the Coal Creek aspect is completed, but that would substantially increase the value of that light industrial land north of what's built today.

Think you're I think you're facing an issue of of, like I said, timing. I believe that if Coal Creek Boulevard was finished, a lot of this would go away. It's kinda like if you build it, they will come. Right now, people are I I drive that the lower extension. Monroe. Monroe. I drive that all the time.

The connection exists. Yeah.

It's there.

Yeah. Am I gonna go through the airport or go make some crazy detour so that I can currently, right now, because there is no light, gonna hang out at, airport drive to turn left on Highway 7? No. Because in my mind, sorry I offend anybody, it's idiotic. Because it takes, like, thirty seconds to go down Monroe to get to a four lane lighted left hand turn to Highway 7. Trust me. It takes less time to do that than it does to try and sneak through Dick Johnson's property and then come through the airport and out. Why would anybody in their right mind do that? I don't know. But I think I truly believe.

If you build it, they will come and the the desire or the need to do alt a or alt b, if it doesn't go away, it gets pushed to twenty years from now fundamentally, because that's a major road. It's a big road.

Yeah.

With a it's a boulevard. Yeah. And a boulevard, by definition, is it's got a median in the middle that separates the four lanes. Right?

It's our arterial road, but, yeah, it would be.

Yeah. So to me, the priority should be how do we get option o satisfied sooner rather than later. That's, in my mind, what's

And I think it's 22 of, like, costs. They're going up every year. So, like, why not just give them to now?

Well, thank you for your time. We really appreciate the feedback. I think it's very valuable to go around the table, hearing all the perspectives here and jotting that down, making sure we understand what the needs are, how you see the future of the developments in this particular area, and how this project plays in or doesn't, you know, into the the objectives of of this board here. So thank you. Really appreciate your feedback here.

Sorry we couldn't get to you last month.

What about

The last month.

Oh, yeah.

No. You're good. Thanks for coming. Fine.

Well, Anything else before we take off? Or

Anybody coming? Thank you.

To come to council to hear the final presentation as well. So and then if if you have any other folks that wanna comment, we have a website as well on the town website to provide comments. It'll be open through the council's presentation. So

Thanks. Thanks for having us. Alright. Thank you. Okay.

Next section. I think I'm gonna let him, my friend, Julius Yeah. Thanks, man. Describe, the process that we, as I've been told, really must adhere to in order to do this next one, which is review and make recommendations for open seats for the board. So with that, I will turn it over to this gentleman.

Clerks are in charge. I just work here. That's all I'm saying.

That's kinda what I said.

Thanks, Paul.

I'll intro it, but then we're gonna have two folks leave the room. Every advisory board is doing this. Every advisory board has openings. Every advisory board has way more interest and nominations than they have open seats. So every advisory board so far, open space, sustainability, all the others are going through this exact same process. They're making sure it's standardized so that everybody does the exact same process, so we're doing the same. In this instance, we have four open seats. You know, there are four four folks whose term is up, Drew, Michael, Lyle, and then Kevin. Kevin's not here. Three of those four are seeking reappointment, being Kevin, Lyle, and Mike.

Drew is not. So Well, it's too too competitive. Is that right? So we have eight folks seeking appointment for four seats. The way that we've do that we are doing this with every advisory board is that the the current advisory board is making a recommendation to counsel for who you would like to fill those four seats. To remove any sense of bias or influence, every advisory board is asking those on this group that are, currently members of this board but are seeking reappointment to politely leave the room. Just go sit out in the hall. It's not gonna take very long. But it's not mandatory. It's a public meeting.

We are asking just to avoid any perception of influence or bias. We are we can't require it. It's still a public meeting. There's comfy chairs out in the hallway you're welcome to hang out at. Could sit in the chairs against the wall. It's just to remove any sense of bias from this conversation.

Pull up the webcam. Yeah.

You can do that too.

After that, when we have the remaining folks sitting at the table, I have with me ranking sheets. So there there's eight names for four seats. The process we will go through is that I have with me and it's all in the the packet. So if you're on the website, there's links to every one of the applications from the folks that were nominated to serve on the board. There is an application form that includes their name, their employer, their background, their education, their interest in this board, why this board compared to others, links to resumes, and so on.

So we have their qualifications, if you will. The purpose of tonight's conversation is that the remaining folks in this room, so I guess the five of you, will go through each of these applications. Michelle has given every application ten minutes. There's eight of them. That means eighty minutes. We're not gonna do that. I don't think we need eighty minutes to go through eight applications, but, we wanna make sure that all of you have time to do due diligence at this table. As we're going around one by one, ask questions. Feel free to to deliberate as much as you want. The point of it is once we're done deliberating, everybody of those five at the table, go through this list and rank one through eight.

Once you've ranked one through eight, I will compile the forms. We don't have any official verdict at this time. I can do a quick crib on Excel and figure out kinda who the top four names are just for the benefit of this conversation. Ultimately, the clerk's office will take our vote and prepare a recommendation to council, which will go on the council meeting for April 28, so about a month from now. So the official appointment, if you will, will be on council's terms by April 28.

Hearing our recommendation, this board's recommendation, they can appoint whoever they want, but typically, they'll traditionally take the recommendation of this body and appoint those four people. So we're looking for the top four. So I will pass these out. I also printed out copies of everybody's application forms. Again, we've got as much time as you all need.

I take those, or do you need No.

You you can take all of it, actually.

These packets have all eight of them. Yeah. Oh, so it's not eight packets. Oh. No. Perfect. We all have the same thing. You do. Excellent.

Yeah. So they're just all stapled together. Feel free to let Jason. Then I'll pass the ranking sheets as well.

Just to understand the rules, does the airport manager

Didn't get a vote.

No. But they can he can he He's

not a voting member of the board.

He add any information relating to these people because he's likely knows most of them.

I would say that's up to the discretion of At least three. Right. I would say it's up to the discretion of the chair. Okay. Same way you're in the same way you're invited to welcome public input at any point, public input.

Got it. Has everybody had a chance to look through these? No. Alright. Do you wanna do that now? And then we go through them? Or do you wanna go

through them as you just

kinda glance through this first? Mhmm.

Yeah. Do it. That's While you're doing that, I'm gonna go get a glass of Okay.

Any cool water. Yep. I I didn't know where this was. Sure. Bring the fingers thing. Mhmm.

It's not

gonna take the whole eighty minutes anyway.

Right. And I can mention this, but now the clerk's office is making our advisory board meeting agendas interactive. So on the town website where the agenda is, there's hyperlinks. So on the agenda now, there are links to every one of those eight.

I I do see the site. I know. Okay. So we're this whole process is recorded in Mhmm. Okay. Yep. Oh, you said it was open. Mhmm.

Yeah. Well, we have an exec session later after all of this regular business, but this part of it is still part of the regular public meeting. Feel free to ask questions, deliberate, talk about who you know. There's three names on here you know very well. Kevin, Lyle, and Mike are all seeking reappointment. The other five would be new. So you're getting at least one new person. It's up to you who that person is.

Different roles, like aviation roles, but other

Right. Traditionally let me fact check that. It's a good question. Historically, there's always been a balance of half aviation, half economic development. So half business, half aviation. I don't think that's a a firm written requirement, but I think that's in the intent of having a good mix of business versus airport. Yeah. Our website for the sports says at least three members have experienced second development and three with experience in aviation.

And we know

none of these eight Mhmm. Lives in the air park. Correct. That is, Wilcox. It's all together from that. Mhmm.

Yeah. The It's not everyone is okay.

Yeah. The addresses are redacted. Any email address is just for privacy, but it's in there.

I'm assuming in order to avoid the circumstances we had several years ago as vetted the addresses. Correct?

Obviously, Paul Michelle gave us ten minutes per. I mean, everybody can keep doing it on their own. You can choose to go one by one and talk about each one as you go through. That's entirely your progress.

I believe the most efficient way right now is have everybody look through them, and then we're just gonna go from the first one. Just go through and ask if anybody has any questions or comments to discuss. That'll work. And I think what's helpful is I mean, there's some of these people I

know. Mhmm.

Yeah. At least three of them.

Some of them Jason knows. Yeah. We don't wanna speak towards them.

I I know one other than some of this list. It's not on the floor.

Gotcha. So I would ask anybody to give their, you know, personal experience. Think the guy's a jerk. The gal's a jerk. I didn't

say that. I said, Kent Iverson Kent Iverson's my neighbor, and he's a lovely

guy. Is that right? Mhmm.

He's a lovely guy. Mhmm.

He drives really nice cars.

Oh.

He hosts the classic car show at the

farmer's market.

Oh, he? Mhmm.

Do we know if any of these folks applied before and didn't get chosen? No. No. We don't know. I know.

Michelle said Wilcox has applied for something before. I don't know if it was this board or another one. The rest, I'm not sure of. There might be something in the applications that say if they that require them to say if they were applying Bradley boards as well.

Well, I mean, for the airport board previously. Right.

Oh, yeah. There's one question. Right. That's a different question. The one I was saying is there's a question that says, you applying for more than one board? Yes or no?

Right. So Ken Iverson answered yes. Gotcha. And we don't know specifically if anybody, like, is a pilot, isn't a pilot.

Unless they put it in the narrative.

I the one I know is a pilot. Who is that? James Turkey.

It's Dave Hall's social pilot. Well, yeah, that I know. Yep. That's the same. Sauce could benefit of the WL stream.

You said one works with Kevin Ed. Yeah.

Surveillance one. Aren't they over at Checkpoint?

No. They're they're actually in Play Park. Oh. He has a hangar there, and he's

at There's a similar business. Over Over at.

I'm trying to get something close to that over.

Who's your? James Turpin. I know. He's a pilot.

Yeah. And Wilcox was the air park. Mhmm. None of them Works works with Kevin.

It's, Steve.

The last one. Steve Tobin? Mhmm. You guys are I'm not trying to ask you. Just let me know because I've looked through them all previously.

I'll stay while you guys are doing this. The intent of having them all ranked is so that we know the sequential order of said rankings. So, like, if you guys pick four and one of them Michelle goes to talk to and he's like, well, you know, I don't have the time anymore. I can't do it. They need to know, okay. Who's next up on the list?

Just keep me in line here.

Mhmm.

For the current members that are reapplying

Mhmm.

We can deal with them first. Just in a general discussion. I don't wanna know how anybody ranks them. I want everybody to do that privately.

They're not part of this deliberation, so they don't get to contribute to help you pick who you're recommending. So they should not be at all part of this voting at all. Once they come back in and you're all are done, you've turned in your rankings, I can maybe just reveal to you based off the rankings what the top four are.

But it's appropriate for me or anyone else here to say publicly as part of

this deliberation, if you will, that

it is my personal opinion that I'd like to see them continue their You

can say whatever you want. Yep.

I'm not gonna say, well, he's gonna be my number one. She's gonna be my number two.

You don't have to these are meant to be something she said confidential, but we're not gonna go around the table and have everybody read your one through eight.

Nor am I. Right.

Correct.

But if you wanna say for the record, I I'm recommending you three to continue. Sure. That's on you.

Right. And I don't think I would hope somebody would say, no. Can't stand the guy. Mhmm. I'm not gonna say that because I can't say that about any

of You're not up for reelection, Paul. Oh.

Alright. So do y'all wanna talk about the three that are reapplying, or do you literally wanna just go through each one and talk about

How about the ones that aren't reapplying? We can do either one. I mean, we kinda know oh, I'm gonna throw it out there. I mean, if anybody has any issues with people who are reapplying, I think you should I don't. You mean,

You're You're part of this too, Drew, just so you know.

You don't get out of it. It's because you're leaving.

You're gonna vote too, man.

Anything it makes you make it harder on.

We'll just go right through. Thank you, Lauren.

Hey. Dave Wallace. I will say I know Dave. He works at the airport his office is at the airport. He's also serves on the flight park HOA. HOA board. Seems like a really reasonable guy. I wouldn't say I know him well. He is a pilot. He's actually, let's say, an accomplished pilot. And he's

Wides very regularly for business.

Flies regularly for business. His office is at the airport. He keeps his airplane at the airport, so he's pretty well versed with regards to a lot of things that are going on with the airport.

He he tends to reach out to me a lot on airport issues and seems to be very engaged with airport issues. So

Is there any conflict within the and on the HOA?

I would answer that in this matter. The HOA is gonna have an election here pretty soon. Okay. Okay? He's not up for election. I intend to run. K? I would have to say there probably are certain votes that would come to the board where I would feel that I might have to recuse myself, but I think he is the type of guy where he will say, look. I just don't think I can that has been my experience in terms of my interaction with him.

So There's no legal issue.

These circumstances, I think Oh, no. That's that's a good point. Yeah. Thank you.

Anything else on Dave Wells? Questions? James Turpin. Ian the pilot. That's the guy you know.

I know. Okay. Yeah. I've I've got him through horse stuff. Oh, is that right? Yeah. So it I I don't I I don't know if he's part of an airplane right now, but he he flies locally. He lives near the airport. Let's put it that way.

Yeah. It's good. But not in the airport.

Not in the airport. No. He's in he's in oh, what's that? Here he comes. Oh, good. Oh, no. I'm sorry. He needs to be there. I think he's in your neighborhood. He needs some

He's not in Highlands. He might be in Colliers.

Colliers. Thanks.

Yeah. Michelle and I went through all of them, so I know the neighborhoods. One of them was Canyon Creek. One was Highlands. One was Colliers. One was Vista Pointe.

This is was a pilot since 2018.

What say you, Drew?

He's a guy.

I don't know.

I like

two of the people that I don't know personally. I thought David and Steven had strong applications and have interesting skill sets. That's just what I could get from the page.

Okay. Ken Iverson. Is that the guy that's near you? Mhmm. Gotcha. You know him?

A little bit. He's pretty active in the community. He moved here from Illinois four years ago. He used to, I think, serve on a county board in Illinois. He's retired, a man about town. He comes to a lot of events, does the classic car show. He's involved with Aerie Makerspace, kind of one of those consistent volunteers.

And he is one of those ones that says he's applied for more than one. Yep. And this is his second choice. Oh, is that right?

That's what it says. Under the are you applying for more than one board? Yes. Please rank your choice for this board second. It's on its

questions. Kevin Kane.

Think we should keep it.

Yeah. I think we should keep it. I will personally say, I think since Kevin's been on the board, he has provided a whole lot of benefit to the board, particularly given his expertise. Although he he will often say, I cannot give you legal advice. I would say his advice has been invaluable and what he did for us for the fund Mhmm. Was immeasurable. And speak pretty highly of Kevin, but I think anybody here is. Lyle Martin. Yeah. Lyle's been a new addition.

Provided a lot of great input. You know? Jim to the airport. So I think that's better.

And I will say he spends an awful lot of time thinking about stuff that we're dealing with as it relates both of you do it as it relates to the airpark. And I think he's done a really good job, and he spent a lot of time, particularly with the fee structure.

Yeah. I'm appreciative of the legwork he does. He has brought in, like I've done individual research to form this opinion. Yeah. I appreciate that a lot.

And he's only been on the board a couple years as he felt Scott Deloitte's vacancy. So I'm particularly interested in seeing him. Michael. I think Michael's done a terrific job in terms of it. He took it on himself, volunteered to do it.

The outreach portion, he's into it. He likes doing it. Not something I would ever engage in just because it's not my bag, but it's his bag. He does really, really good. I think he's the one that lined up with almost during the day. Drunk show was Yeah. When his things took that whole.