Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

We're ready to go. All right. Good morning. Call to order the special meeting of the Parks and Rec Commission, August 19, 2026, and Southlake Topo. Can you do a roll call?

Yeah. Commissioner Mullins-Becker? Present. Commissioner Donovan?

Here.

Commissioner Lowry?

Here.

Commissioner Hospitalier?

Here.

Commissioner McLaughlin? Here. All right, everyone's here.

Let's all stand for Pledge of Allegiance.

Happy to do so.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. First of all, thank you, Danny, for having us up here. We're excited about touring a few places.

I'm happy to have you up here. Hopefully we can show a couple of places. There's one other one that I talked to Zach about. I'd like to have you see some of the things we were able to do up here so you have an idea of what can be done in certain areas. And the Espeju Park, which is also part of Measure S, which is an absolutely well-used recreational park that we built very close to the Duck Center in the center of town, that includes A disc golf course that actually has international tournaments now. It includes a dog park. It includes BMX track. It includes a skateboard park, basketball courts, volleyball courts, and a gazebo that people use all the time for various events. So we're going to try to hurry up the lunch so we can get a chance to see that on the way to Tahoe Paradise Park. Yeah, absolutely.

on the way to talk about an hour and a half for the lunch hour. So maybe we can squeeze a little bit to do a little fly by.

We can drive through it and you can see what it is. It's easy to get through. Yeah. Cool.

Okay. Moving on then. Adoption of the agenda and approval of consent calendar. Do Do we have anything that we want to look at, particularly our annual goals? Do we need to pull that?

I would like to talk about the parks project that they have annual goals. Okay.

All right. So let's go ahead and make a motion to adopt the agenda. and approve the consent calendar with the exception of pulling item 261383 to discuss some of our 2025 annual goals.

13.2 as well.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. Okay. Both of those then. All right. All those in public comment first.

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All right. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion passed. All right. Let's move on then to 261382, Parks and Division of the Chief Administrative Office Recommend Commission Receive and File an Update on Parks Projects.

I always appreciate the notes. I guess I'm just curious, Zach, if you can elaborate on the update related to the JPA, the Eldorado Trail, and the decision from the JPA to focus on governance updates.

Yeah, so we had a SPTC JPA meeting a few weeks ago, I want to say. It was early in August. Let me scroll down to that section just so I can be accurate here. so yeah, August 3rd. And essentially, you know, there was a presentation given by PSVRR, but the main item on the agenda was the result of surveys that had been completed by each agency that is a partner on that JPA. And it was all around what their feelings were for a planning document, right? So there's been this $25,000 to $30,000 in the JPA's budget. And Our CEO has always kind of said, you know, she's not feeling like she's getting a clear direction from the JPA board as to what they wanna do with that money, right? Like, what does that planning effort look like? What is the desired outcome? And so to kind of help them figure out what they wanted to do or what the planning undertaking might be, she asked all the agencies to complete a survey. So El Dorado County completed two. I completed a survey. Bryce Lavelle also completed a survey just because we kind of have two different arms. We do trail stuff. He does the living history, which is, you know, the excursion rail and things like that. Based on the dollar amount, our recommendation, so El Dorado County Park staff recommendation was to kind of take the next steps on some existing work that had already been completed by the JPA. So recently the JPA had paid Dock and Engineering to do a bridges and culverts study to just do a quick assessment of condition of these structures to kind of inform us as to what we might have coming our way as far as maintenance and also a good idea of what it would take to get these facilities to a certain standard. Like for the rails, it would be a class one standard. That's what it takes for heavy freight. And so my recommendation was that maybe we take those plans to the next level. A lot of our work plan that Parks takes care of is on the natural trail. And the main issues or pinch points that I see is those crossings. Those weren't really incorporated into the natural trail plan the way it is now. And they were kind of set aside for future development. And so... Considering, you know, we're starting to get some better volunteer support on, you know, building out the natural trail maintenance and things like that. It seemed reasonable that we would try to start the planning effort for those crossings, knowing good and well, they're going to require some engineering and design work. And that's not necessarily something we'd be able to get from volunteers. So the JPA board chose not to follow that recommendation. And yeah, rather than doing that, they just chose to focus on updating some of their internal documents, things like the RUFA, which is a reciprocal use and funding agreement, and maybe take the time and use that money to update and shore up their existing documents before we start creating new things. So that was kind of the outcome of the discussion. or what to do with the money for the planning effort at the JPA.

So was that, that's kind of the consensus of the other agencies other than us was to update their existing documents?

I think our situation is most of these other agencies are built out, right? And so when we're asking about a planning effort, Really, it's a planning effort in Eldorado County, right? I mean, all of these other agencies, the corridor is either being actively used for light rail with RT or, you know, the city of Folsom has made significant progress on trail improvements within the corridor in their section. So really. I understand why they wouldn't have a super strong feeling about the planning effort because it's not in their jurisdiction. And that was even articulated in the conversation. You know, we really don't want to force feed Eldorado County something that they might not necessarily want for themselves. And so the discussion kind of evolved into, well, you know, we want to be mindful of what their plans are. And if they had a plan, then the JPA board would kind of follow suit and support that. In agency comments, I did bring up some of the history that I got to share with you guys when I did our Eldorado Trail presentation. That's not always how this has happened in the past. There was a time I believe in 2011, 2012, where the Eldorado County Board of Supervisors had intentions of pulling up rail to install a class one trail. They sent a letter to the SBTC JPA and then the then SBTC JPA board chair, Carrie Howell, denied the request. And so we were not allowed to move forward with that. So I understand what it is they're trying to do and I generally support it. But at the same time, you know, that change is something that could be made in that roof update. And so I felt like it was worthwhile to put it out there that, you know, yes, you guys are the JPA board now, and that's your understanding, but that's not what the Rufus says. And that hasn't always been the case. So if, you know, we're not moving forward with the bridge thing, that's fine. If we're focusing on the roof of thing and the sentiment is we want to support each other and what their plan is, well, then maybe there is a worthwhile effort there to get that updated. So it says, hey, rather than we need concurrence from the JPA, it's no, each agency is really going to be the lead on project development in their area. And we're just going to be a more supportive agency.

So that would be part of the update on the roof of list to put that kind of language in there.

Correct. That would be something that I would say, if that's what you want, then that's an edit you would need to make, because that's not how it works right now. But that was, I would say, the general feel of it, which is cool to me a little bit. I mean, a little disappointing that we didn't get our planning effort adopted, but at the same time, it does give us more... Well, it gives us information, right? We know where the board is up with those items. And then if we have a strong idea and a plan and community support in El Dorado County, then we should assume the JPA is gonna support it as well.

Now taking public comment on this item.

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Hi, Don Rose here with Friends of the Eldorado Trail. Can you hear me?

Yes, sorry. I'm doing this off my laptop, so it's not very loud.

Okay, I'll try to talk loud. It's clear that the JPA doesn't want to do any planning. I'm disappointed that they're going to use the $25,000 that we lobbied for for something other than planning. And so then it really falls in Eldorado County's lap to do the planning. And I think it's more than just the bridges. There are other potential mutual exclusivities between the user group and a plan as needed as to how to fit everything in the corridor. So I'm hoping that the Parks and Rec Commission can help us kind of move forward to the board of supervisors with some kind of planning proposal and support that planning proposal. So that's what I would request to you. And I think we can hopefully provide more detail on that at a later time and maybe have a more detailed discussion. Thank you.

Thank you for your comment. No other comment by Zoom.

Okay, next item, 26-1383, Parks, a Division of the Chief Administrative Office Recommended Commission Receive and File an Update on the Parks Recreation Commission 25-26 Handbook Goals.

Yeah, I just had a question. Should this be 26-27 then? And should the goals be updated? Not just the number.

That's a good question.

Yeah, um...

I would say, yeah, I mean, if we're doing fiscal year goals and it is a new fiscal year, so totally can update the title from 26 to 27. But the second point. Goals stay the same. Not necessarily. I mean, these are goals that the commission has kind of. come up with on their own. So, I mean, if those are wiggling, changing, evolving, I mean, obviously we recently got a comment about potentially a planning effort for El Dorado Trail. Maybe that's a new goal you guys put on there. I would say I agree with what you're saying. Maybe we put an item on Next month's agenda. And we can, you know, have this as a draft with the updated fiscal year. And then you guys can just work through the existing goals. If you want to remove any add any anything like that. We also might have a little discussion on some of the existing ones, too, because we have some potentially new information.

So we'll put that on our calendar for next month. Yes. Okay, good public comment.

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All right.

Moving on. We've got our agenda item here, 26.1384, Parks and Vision of the Chief Administrative Office, recommending the commission discuss and finalize the content for the 26th annual report presentation to the Board of Supervisors on September 15, 2026. And I believe we've got it up here.

We can pull it up, yeah. Okay.

I can turn those off. Yeah. Okay. This is our presentation.

Torn and I chatted with Shannon and Zach in regards to finalizing some of the presentation here and give them some thoughts along that line. And this is what we came up with. So I think I'll let Shannon take us through it. And then John, you and Wayne and Dan, you can chime in if you want anything.

When do we have to post this? We need to post it by August 28th. We need to send it to the clerk. All right. So if we have any changes, now's the time for us to do it.

And so Shannon can make the changes and we can get it posted for registrar.

You know, a soft suggestion. The printed information, if that background were darker, it might be easier to read.

Okay.

You look at the top, the title at the top, and almost that kind of jumps out at you. Okay. The transparency, you know, that's printed there. It is printed, but it's just easier to read against the dark. You know, it's a solid class rather than that. Yeah.

Okay. Does that change? Yeah.

One of my thoughts is that should we do anything about increase the usage of the current parks and look for new opportunities for increasing the footprint of the parks in El Dorado County?

Is that a goal or is that advice to the board?

A goal or something?

I think we address that in our goals about promoting our parks within El Dorado County and that this is just telling the board what our purpose is as an advisory commission to the board.

If they don't like it, now's a good time to tell us.

And the mission statement is something we just developed over the last couple of months, which I think is important. And that also is something new for the board. They've not seen us do that yet. OK.

This is the membership slide. We're going to attempt to take another photo today now that we have Danny and Liz so we can have it all together.

Yeah. Yeah, we were getting lots of photos.

It's a white horse and it snows. I've seen that before.

Next slide. These are our governing documents.

This is pretty standard. I don't believe we made any changes on this slide because it's pretty straightforward. Just setting the table, pretty much. Yeah. OK, next slide.

This is a great slide.

Yeah, this is one of those that Tuan and I I think it's really great that we're presenting to Board of Supervisors that we do have a volunteer program, and it's a very active one.

And it's saving you money.

And it's saving you money, looking at the value of your volunteer time. And Shannon was indicating down at the bottom, the $54,000.

I'm seeing it's a little fuzzy, so I'll make that font, that text a little larger. But what it's saying, it's based on the independent sector value for volunteers. And for 2025, it's $41.75 per hour for volunteer contributions. And so this number of volunteers and volunteer hours includes volunteers across all programs. So all, you know, General Parks, El Dorado Trail, and our Adopt-A-Trail program for the Rubicon.

Can I make a question? Expand the blue box that those figures are in so that that's included in the bottom below your graphic.

Okay, yeah.

And then it's not something that's just like, I don't know, Nobody likes to read the small thing. Yeah. Footnote, yeah. Yes, that's a good idea.

So it's part of that box. That's the first question anybody's going to ask.

Yeah, how did you come to that? That's what I said. That's the first question. First thing they're going to do, how'd you come up with that number?

And how did you come up with that number?

Well, from the independent sector value volunteers, there's a website where by state each year they have a new rate. I think they have more details on how they come up with that rate, but this is specifically for 2025 in the state of California.

Does that include the dog? Yeah. That's the dog, is that really right? The dog? Yeah.

the dogs is more yes i just wanted to start burning showers in the dog years it's dark don't go down that road

So this is the introduction slide to the volunteer recognition.

And we had discussed with Donna and Torrin that we're going to have, you'll see following on this, each district has a slide with the combination of the facilities within the district and then the awardees. And so there's placeholder photos at this point.

So we're still soliciting photos.

Yes, we're still soliciting. So the first one is the awardee for the District 1 through 4 for the Eldorado Trail.

This is really impressive. When I was going through this at home, I was just like, I haven't been here long, but compared to the last report that we did to the board, this really, this is really great. You guys are up in your game a little bit. Yeah. Well, Sharon's good.

as soon as possible.

We hope so, too.

OK. Great. Everybody OK with that, right? All right. Good. All right. Next slide, then.

That's what he's alluding to, trying to get it there. That would be terrific. Yeah.

We're looking for a picture of the disc golf.

I just recently was able, I was there and got some good photos. So I'm going to update that in here. Yeah, photos of disc golf, the skate park. And then it's mostly Pioneer Park, obviously, for District 2, but you'll see there's this one kind of photo for Eldorado Trail because the winner for District 2 was specific for Eldorado Trail work. But I can always maybe put one more photo for Eldorado Trail to kind of highlight that in here. I think it is. Yeah, I wouldn't change it either. OK. Next sign, Mystic 3. I do kind of have a photo in there. So, you know, it's kind of the bike park, skate park, dog park, rail park.

Who's that guy with the blue hat on? He looks like a steamed plant. Looks like a maintenance person.

And so here on this, like the center bottom photo, that is the volunteer that we're noting.

Yeah, I did say TBD. I didn't want to, I was debating taking that photo out, but I put the TBD to make it not so obvious of who it is yet.

Oh, because we're holding off on that.

Well, we're still making announcements. Okay, so that, yeah, that's still in the midst of that. Because TBD, we put that person's name there. Yes, yeah, exactly.

So District 4 has two slides. Yeah, we have Bradford, Chili Bar, American River, and HLP.

You know, as you can figure that. And then the following slide, because for this district, the awardee is for the Rubicon. So then there's still Rubicon. There are so many great photos for the Rubicon.

That's a great picture.

That's my father-in-law. Oh, and you're the guy in the, not the boat. That's my picture. Chilliwack Park is an active, beautiful space. It's not just a building that nobody uses. Thank you for sending it all the way from Toronto.

And lastly, district five.

Four Bay Park. Bleach your photos a couple years old. I still am looking for photos for this one.

So there may be

Some updates.

Is there any issue with the volunteers agreeing to their award and giving you photos?

We'll see. We're still finding out. We'll let you know by the end of the week, though, if we're having challenges with that. We may need your help. And so this... If we're okay with that, this brings us into your achievement slide. And is that readable? I'm wondering if we want to increase fonts there.

It's a lot on one page. So maybe if we did increase it, it would go on to a second page.

I know we're trying to consolidate it. Well, how far is projected at the end? It will be on a smaller screen. It will be on a smaller screen. But they also have it on their tablets.

Mm-hmm. So they can read it off the tablet.

Supposedly, they have it ready ahead of time anyway. Sure. They have flat screens. It's been a while since I've been there. Yeah, they do. I agree with you, Don. Thanks, folks. I think it should be two slides and increase spacing and increase volume.

It looks better. There's two slides. It looks like there's more being done. There's an illusion.

There is a lot going on.

Absolutely. So do you think we've missed anything as far as our achievements here?

Anything you dealt with with the project and those kind of things would be on with this. I mean, we've got a second. When that was a big one thing. Yeah. It's quite huge.

Yeah. HAB-Masyn Moyer- We're okay with this slide.

HAB-Jacques Juilland, The only one that jumps out to me, and this is really we didn't do the work, but just to sort of recognize efforts that the that's going on. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Is this is annual you're receiving the reports from staff about the Rubicon project and the river project that's worth including you would do that every year so

Yeah. And I mean, I don't know. I feel like you guys have done a lot and we can highlight what you guys have done. I mean, that's really just like the staff, our staff giving you guys an annual report.

And we take that information and we put it towards our achievements. Yeah. We're okay with this slide other than to stand it. Yeah.

Okay.

Next slide.

All right.

So these are some challenges that we put in here. So I'd like some input, if anybody has any other thoughts along this.

OK, I'll say one thing. If we wanted to fill it up, I was thinking finding some sort of image that can go on there. Yeah, that would be great.

So we can use a photo of Jane. Yeah. And here's our biggest chat. I'll be in the last photo, last slide, so that somebody can see it.

I think that's a good idea. Our number one, of course, is to continue to build on our volunteer base. Because that's what we're really, really trying to focus on. And of course, budget constraints, that is And ongoing funding is always an issue and always a challenge for us. And we felt we needed to let board supervisors know that.

I kind of think that's what the third department is doing. Exactly. The third one is important, too. They've got to know that we're going to find funding sources. Nothing works if we don't continue to find funding sources. Exactly. Exactly.

And I think that goes down the cost recovery plan. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And that's a little bit, somehow we should always work with them and work with them through the cost recovery fund to do that work.

Maybe the first line for the common effort and talk about cost recovery and then go into the end. They should know what cost recovery is and then go to do it.

Yeah, yeah. And that's not really a bad idea to include something that we are looking at a process in our cost recovery to help us with our funding issues and things like that to promote our resources.

Maybe based on what you just said, be a standalone.

Maybe a number four. What do you think about that, staff?

Staff's working hard on that.

I guess I'm waffling between putting it in a challenge or putting it as a goal. I'm thinking of... It is as a goal.

I think it's both. I agree.

I think it's both. Also, not to get off track, I'm sorry, but we're talking about budget constraints, ongoing funding issues. I'm wondering if we should talk about staffing issues. Yeah.

So my leave staff, we have now. At least one of them. Yeah, we did. That is very true.

In my opinion, I think we're operating very much over extended staff. We could do something like that.

And also allude to the fact that, you know, we're looking to develop new facilities, right? I mean, we're kind of looking to activate Four Bay Park more and add amenities. That means More light bulbs to change and more power outlets that get vandalized and more garbages to empty and that sort of thing. Obviously that everyone's favorite thing. I would just caveat that with like the way the county delivers services is a little different than other agencies. So like, for example, our parks maintenance doesn't come out of the parks division. It comes out of grounds maintenance. So I agree with you guys. I just don't want to mislead you in thinking that it's going to be, park staff that is going to be the person hired to fill that delta in workload, right? It could be funding half of a maintenance worker knowing good and well we have increased maintenance needs because of forebay or additional trail mileage or things like that.

I'm okay with that. Okay. As long as it makes good sense. Okay. I'm just thinking of the fact that you know, you're Your team's faced with trying to chase down funding for many of these projects. And we lost some of that capability in this last funding process. And I think it's important that we bring forward that to the board, that we're paying attention to this. And if we were trying to continue with developing future world-class facilities, For the community to enjoy. They can't be done necessarily as fast as the public public is expecting and provided the quality of their, their expecting the less we're talking about full time staff to do those things. Yeah.

What's your, what's your FTE for this next budget in

The same as what we've had. We're not looking to lose any additional staff.

Are you paying any portion of it towards, in general services, towards maintenance? In other words, one of those positions is culturally funded by Plexiglas? Say that last part again? If there was a position in general services for maintenance, is part of that funding for that position coming out of Parks and Rec?

Potentially. So like for HLP, for example, we have a restricted revenue fund. So like a grounds maintenance worker under facilities will maintain that facility, but they will also be paid through that proportionate amount of their time will be paid through that special revenue fund. There's inter-fund transfers, but it's not directly coming out of Park's budget.

Oh, okay.

Correct, Shannon. Feel free to chime in. Well, like direct maintenance dollars, like we don't have a direct line item for grounds maintenance, right?

They do chart, it comes back in a different, a couple of different places, like the cost plan and then the intrafund. So it does come back to us. It's charged back to you through there.

So it's not actually a FTE position that we are funding half of it. Yeah. And that was in our division. Right. All right. I think it's a good point, but it's a delicate point that we have to kind of walk gingerly around.

It's important. It needs to be continually addressed that if you want us to be successful, you're going to have to pay the piper.

It's items two and three on this slide. It's budget constraints and ongoing funding issues.

We need to make sure because there's There's definitely a huge difference when you were trying to maintain the things on a certain level and all of a sudden you have budget cuts and lose somebody. You had a park up here that happened to Douglas County cut the funding for the park supervisor there in the park. It's not the same. It's a big issue. And I can say that for a fact because I've seen that places. So we need to constantly remind that we need to have enough people to do this correctly. Otherwise, it's not going to get done at the level that everybody expects.

And that's the thing. And that's the reality. What's the desired level of service, right? So there's a spectrum in this county, right? You have a certain level of service. And we're talking just about Parks and Recreation, right? You have a level of service that's provided within the CSDs in the county, right? So El Dorado Hills, they have their own level of service. They provide to their constituents, Cameron Park's the same thing. Cities also have a different level of service than the county, right? So you kind of have this hierarchy and it's all based on what people are paying, right? City of South Lake Tahoe, Tons of recreation amenities. They're also footing the bill for those recreation amenities. Similarly with the city of Placido, maybe not to the extent of South Lake Tahoe, but the same sort of model applies there, right? So the county, we don't have any of those funding mechanisms that some of those other agencies have, right? We don't have a park impact fee. and we're not getting like a special tax there's no melleries there's no cfd or we have a consistent tax base that's funding recreation amenities in the county right we get appropriations from the general fund and we go after grants really tough that's where we get our money right it's not through a general tax or a property tax we don't get any of that really i mean we get a small appropriation from the general fund but for park improvements i mean it's

grants that's it well to me cutting any kind of funding to getting grants in terms of recreation to me that's like cutting off your nose to spite your face there's just no way in the world i can understand why you didn't do that and then expect us to try to continue to look for grants where we got to have the people in place we have to have the tools in place we can get the grants they're there

going to give me enough people to do it yeah well and also grant doesn't change the light bulb it doesn't fix the sprinkler it doesn't pay the water bill it doesn't pay the power bill and so it's like we're we're front loading you know the the infrastructure costs without backfilling that ongoing maintenance obligation that's always going to be there no one really likes talking about it but it's always there always there you know we like the ribbon cutting and doing the thing And then everybody kind of goes on their way and then it goes back into its normal operation. And so you kind of have this, I don't know, maybe a two-pronged approach. I don't want to get too long late at all.

Below the water level stuff, right? When you're talking about an iceberg. Yeah. The tip of the iceberg, below the water level, the iceberg is actually three times that size. Exactly. Yeah. And I think it's, statewide issue, maybe even a nationwide issue where agencies get grants, build beautiful things, and then all of a sudden we look around and go, okay, now how do we maintain this?

I mean, when I went to that financial sustainability course, I mean, it is very apparent that there's every agency across the United States is going to be having these sorts of issues of deferred maintenance and wanting the new shiny aquatic center, but not really penciling out what the replacement cost of that infrastructure is, what does it cost you to operate the facility, all of those sorts of things.

And I think, I think. HAB-Masyn Moyer- We mean the parks and the county have been diligent about that don't go applying for something that you don't have funds to back up and support later on, I would use a big big thing very, very open about that. HAB-Masyn Moyer- In the past, yeah.

We're not going to overextend ourselves. No, we don't have a vehicle to take care of that.

It's all well and good to go get that grant. But if you don't have that structure, as you mentioned, behind it to support it, what good is it going to do? Because all you're going to do is public's going to lose faith in what we've done. Okay, well, I guess we can talk a little bit about that. We don't have to necessarily put it up there. It can be a little talking point, which I'm going to work with Shannon and Zach about talking bullets that won't be on the slides. They'll just for me for a narrative. And Torrin's going to be there to back me up. And so we're going to, and all the rest of you can come and join too. You can be out in the audience and I can love to introduce you all. I think that we have granted. It's the 15th, right? 15th.

Yeah.

I don't know how to incorporate it, but I think it's always important to include somehow in any presentation supervisors the importance that what can draw money is parks and recreation. You have the right kind of facilities. Not only are you going to get a lot more usage from the residents, but first, there's a real... possibility of getting more and more tourists into our whole, now we know we're based on tourism, but all you have to do is go down there and replace it like Somerset and go, hi, this place, this is beautiful. So we should not come up for the weekend and spend time in a place like this.

Well, I think the county is steeped in tourism, period. They try very, very hard to promote that. And it is a beautiful county.

There's no doubt about it. And again, parks can be a part of it. Well, they should be a part of it, yes. The difference up here, when we host events like the international disc golf course, well, that's people that come up and spend the money. But you've got to have the disc golf course somewhere and maintain it and make it look good. And then the old saying, if you build it, they will come. Yes. And that's what we're trying to do here. Build it. Get them here to come and realize what it is. Which is why I support that whole thing from Sacramento to Colorado. What a great idea that is.

I just wanted to do a quick time check for you guys. We do have an 11 at the sports complex.

Okay. Let's wrap this up really quick.

Google saying it's a nine-minute drive.

Yeah. Okay. So these are our goals.

You're going to include talking points related to this slide. You're saying related to the staffing giant.

Yes, we will.

Yes.

Okay. Anything you want to change or?

Again, I think we should go two slides on this. It's pretty simple.

Two slides on that too. Okay, nothing more on this than on that side. And that's just our thank you. We've incorporated a few things on there about the volunteer, just to promote it even more, showing what picture or giving a picture of what the form looks like.

Yeah, I was going to do a screenshot of the kind of web page that we had discussed, but it didn't really cover, like show all the right things. I kind of had the top of the web page.

I wouldn't change it at all. Okay. Any other comments on the presentation, you guys?

The only thing that I saw in the whole thing, actually, related to another point, I was looking at the numbers for the rentals. That seems kind of low. and then we should probably bend you around some ideas and how we can increase the usage.

That's part of our cost recovery. And we are going to be looking at that and seeing if we are within. Yeah. There's got to be ways we can. Oh, yeah. I agree. Some of those costs have been there for years. Because it makes. Yeah.

And it also creates a desire for anybody to want to contribute. Because if we get no more people using it for advanced death, well, now we need help. OK. Let's go help.

Okay, public comment.

Now, second public comment on item number four. Individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be taken first from those participating in the room and then from those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you unmute yourself when called upon. If you are joining the meeting by phone, press star nine to indicate a desire to comment. If you're joining by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate a desire to comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record. There is no comment in the room or by Zoom.

Okay, good to know. Agenda item 26.1385, Parks and Divisions and Chief Administrative Office with the 98th Commission participate in the tour of the South Lake Campo Recreation and Aquatic Center and Tahoe Paradise Park. I don't think we need any further discussion on that. We're going to actually finish out our agenda here and then we're going to adjourn to travel on to visit these different areas. So do we have any comments on this particular agenda item?

Yeah, I wanted to say that one thing, a couple of things to keep in mind when we go there. First off, before you get to where we turn off to go to the recreational complex, there's another area that we built that was part of Measure S, which is a whole meeting area right next to the river called El Dorado Park. And it's a beautiful area with grass area. We hold concerts now, believe it or not, that are actually on the lake. And there's a stair step area that people can sit and then we have vendors and it's well intended. And we have a bike concierge and people ride their bikes there too. So you're going to see the left hand side. And then when we get to the new rec complex, the other thing you're going to notice is right next to a campground. That's another way that we have funding sources for a city is that campground does an amazing amount of money we bring in. And when we were talking about it when I was on Parks and Rec there, the one thing we recommended is bring it up to date because it didn't have the hookups. Well, they take the hookups in and all of a sudden that thing was year round. You'd be surprised when people come up here in the wintertime. They want to go skiing and they want to stay at the campground. Now, that doesn't make sense to me, but it very much works that way. So you're going to see that it's right next to it. by the county. And we're the ones that developed it and made it into a very strong recreational area.

I think we leased it for a couple dollars a year or something like that. It's a great deal.

It's a great deal. But we decided to do something right because we were debating it. What is all the things we can do with it? And then we realized what a beautiful place to build it because if you want to come to Tahoe and tourists want to come and see the lake, well that's right where it is. The whole thing. Right there. don't want to bring that up because that's part of the trip and if you're going to ride your car drive your cars as you go past the lake there's another stoplight you come to you can see the rec center on the right hand side and there's a light there you turn right on the light and then turn into the library parking lot and that's where you're going to have to park and then walk over to the compound so okay um

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Very good. Okay. Any commission member comments and future agenda items?

Thanks to everybody for moving this meeting away.

Yes, it's great. If none, a staff comments and announcements.

I'll just make one quick one. Pioneer Park's parking lot was just recently resealed. And we also got the basketball court resealed and striped for pickleball. That was something people wanted. We get a lot of people playing pickleball out there. Well, the pickleballers at Pioneer Park, you got new striping on the course out there.

Awesome. Great. That's the fastest growing sport anywhere. That's pickleball.

You know how pickleball got his name? No. The two guys that developed it are from Seattle.

Well, if there's nothing more, I adjourn the meeting of the Parks and Rec Commission, a special meeting, and it is 1051.

Are we adjourning to our location?

We are adjourning to France.