Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

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Alright. You all set, Danny?

I am.

I am.

If you don't get off of that, it's good then.

You are? We see you. Let me see.

Are

you there still? Still. Yep. It's still on.

Mhmm. There we go. Can you hear me now?

Yes. Yes. We can.

Alright. Good. Great.

Okay. We have Danny on board. So I'd like to call the meeting to order at 03:06. And do think we can use the roll call for us? Yes. Commissioner Lowry? Here. Commissioner Mullins Becker? Here. Commissioner Donovan? Here. Commissioner McLaughlin?

Here.

And then commissioner hospitality is absent. Let's all stand and sign the senate of regents, and we'll attend to the deck. I pledge allegiance

to the flag

of The United States Of America and to the republic.

Righteous means

is full. And

justice for all. Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you leave.

Yeah, I think so. We'll all join. Okay, adoption of the agenda and approval and consent calendar. Do we have any comments from the commissioners in regards to the minutes from the Parks and Rec Commission of 03/03/2026, or the agenda for today?

I'd like to unpack the, like to discuss the minutes. It might be minor, but I can imagine it's minor. No.

Go ahead.

You wanna jump into it now? Sure. Yep. So just under the actions related to the river management plan, it says that the follow-up action would be that District 2 and District 4 commissioners would report back to this commission. But I think what I took it away was that we would work out the violations elements, you know, with that river management or, I guess, the river what are they called? Clack. Yeah. Okay. I'm not familiar. And then just basically let Zach take that, integrate the changes into the draft management plan, and then push that along to to planning as long as we could get to that.

If we couldn't, we'd bring it back to here, but we didn't need to do that. So, basically yeah. Yeah. So I'd like to recommend we make that general change to the minutes. Any other comments here?

Okay. What did you comment, Jessica? Danny, you have a comment? Oh, I'm sorry. Danny, did you have any comments on the the agenda for today or the minutes from the last meeting?

No. I do not. Thank you.

Okay. Now now taking public comment on the consent calendar, individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be taken first first from those participating in the room and then for those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you unmute yourself when called upon. If you're joining the meeting by phone, press 9 to indicate a desired comment. If you're joined by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate a desired comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record. Is there any comment that's in here? That. Move Move by a stamp. Perfect.

Can I have a motion? So move to approve the consent calendar With with the proposed amendment for the

It is March 3. Thank you. A second. I'll second. Put Danny to keep him you're on delay, Danny. You can have any seconds you want. Alright.

I have a roll call on the vote for you. Commissioner Lowry, how do you vote?

Aye.

Commissioner Mullinswecker, how you vote? Aye. Commissioner Dunnevout, how do you vote? Aye. Commissioner McLaughlin, how do you vote?

Aye.

Thank you, and passes. Moving on to open forum. This is a matter on the agenda that's addressed by the general public, and it refers to any items that are not on the agenda. You're limited to three minutes per person, and the total amount of time that's reserved for open fires may be limited. All right, now taking public comment on open forum. Individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be taken first from those participating in the room and then from those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you ungate yourself when called upon. You're joining the meeting by phone, press 9 to indicate a desired comment. If you're joining by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate a desired comment.

Please voluntarily state records or any public comment in the room? No? Okay. Jenny, for my Friends of El Trail. I just wanted to let people know that on Saturday, the fifteenth, The Friends of El Dorado Trail, Leatherwood Trail Stewardship, the county will be there, and the egg and several other groups will be having a gear sale at, gear sale and swap at the solid ground, at the grounds of Solid Ground Ruling in Diamond Spring.

And it's been posted on our Facebook and Instagram page. Just to clarify, is it the twenty fifth? Sorry. Twenty fifth. Okay. Right. Yeah. Did I say twenty sixth? No. You said the fifteenth. Oh, gosh. No. Twenty fifth. Sorry. Okay. Just so we're Twenty fifth. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. This next. Yeah. Okay. So Alright. Come get more come take away gear, and we'll we will bring gear, and you can get it for a bargain. Just got.

K. And then no other comment by Zoom. Thank you, Jen. Moving on to agenda items. Item one six dash zero six six six, part of the division of the chief administrative office recommends commission elected chair and a vice chair for 2026. Moving up to the questioners?

I second the recommendation.

And what recommendation might that be? A nomination.

Yeah. John's not here, so I say John.

That's fair.

Danny, you're lucky you showed up. Yeah.

I I am. Yeah. I was actually here last week. I saw everything. I just nobody could hear me.

Yeah. So what do you guys think? I mean, any any nominations y'all would like to make, or we have some discussion amongst yourselves on what the commitment might be? If you have questions for me, I can answer that. And So

little communication I've had from John in the last couple of days, I don't think he's in a position to step into that kind of responsibility right now. So it leads to you three.

Okay.

I as I told Zach, I'm a conservative. I'd be willing to take the chair on if I would be vice

If I would be vice chair. Yeah. We talked about this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That works for me.

Danny, was that a motion?

Yes. Yes. It was. I second.

The one I do wanna just I mean, what I shared with Zach and Donna was, you know, my job has me working Thursdays. I will typically be able to leave work early on Thursdays, But, you know, I don't see that changing anytime soon. So Yeah. A little bit tricky, but Donna wasn't concerned about, you know, necessarily not having a vice chair at every single meeting, although I try you know, I've been I think I've had consistent participation so far. So Yeah. Not too hard.

And if it in-depth that I couldn't be here, I would let you know well in advance.

Yeah. And I would just make sure.

Yeah. Yep. You know, tend to be pretty nimble with these meetings anyway.

That's true. Adjust, and I'll

be back on the meeting. Yeah. I appreciate everybody changing for today. Okay. We'll see. Close. So it sounds like we have a motion from Danny for Donna as chair and Corin as vice chair. Jess, if you want, we could just take a vote on that.

Oh, we need to do public comment

if can take a vote. Right. That

goes. You ready for public comment? Yeah.

Here it comes, all of the naysayers.

Now taking public comment on item number three, individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be from those participating in the room, and then from those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you'll mute yourself when called upon. If you're joining the meeting by phone, press 9 to indicate a desired comment. If you're joining by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate a desired comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record. Is there any comment in the room? I'll turn that off if you need to. And there's no comment by Zoom. So now yeah. We're ready. And you are. Yep. Alright. So you can take vote roll call. All right. Commissioner Lowry, how do you vote? Aye. Commissioner Mullins Becker, how do you vote? Aye.

Commissioner Dunavaugh, how do you vote? Aye. And then Commissioner Lowry, I mean, sorry. Commissioner McLaughlin, how do you vote? Aye. Okay, passes. Okay, moving on to agenda item 20 six-six 69, parks the division of the chief administrative office, recommends the commission review the list of twenty twenty six events and tabling opportunities and assigned commissioners. So you all have this as an agenda item attached. So I'm gonna let Zach take over from here to give us an update on this.

Yeah. So I guess handful of things here. First things I'll call out is we don't have any opportunities in Districts 12, and 5. And so that doesn't limit those commissioners for from participating. So I thought I wanted to start with that. You don't have to be in your district to be able to table at that event. And really, our intentions are of, like, having the commissioners buddy up with staff, for lack of a better term. So you will not be alone in these instances. You will have a county staff person to rely on. You're just kinda there to and to a different side of the parks division.

Right? I mean, talking to accounting employees is one thing, but talking to an elected official a lot of the times can precipitate a different conversation. So we're kinda trying to get you guys out there and then probably look in hear what our constituents have to say. That said, there kind of is a variety of different types of events. So, you know, we have the gear swap that Jenny was speaking about in open forum.

We have, like, a a composting event even this weekend. We have, at the end of the season, more of, a turf renovation type community project that will be done on the sports fields down at Eddingston Park. So it'll be overseeding and spreading compost, things like that, working with some of our youth sports organizations. I'm kinda working backwards, maybe give a little bit of a description on each one. Antina on the con is a fundraiser hosted by Rudy Contrail Foundation that they do every year.

It's like one of their main fundraisers for their nonprofit that goes towards funding their projects and things of that nature. It's a good opportunity for us to give educational information about the trail. Right? I mean, it's definitely the target audience. Pretty much a 100% of the people participating in that event are trail users.

So we kind of can really get our messaging out to the people that it's really intended for in that sort of event. We do have a couple trail outreach opportunities, and that's more so, like, our booth at the fairground. So the the June, I would be working with Kim, myself, maybe even Shannon if she's working the table a little bit. And, again, you know, we're typically partnered on one side. It's usually California State Parks, and on the other side, Jeepers, Jamboree.

So it's really kind of in that OHV feeling type of space. Again, here, we kind of highlight everything. We lean into our education and safety programs on the Rubicon Trail. This is typically a month after we get our educational bandanas, so that would kind of, like, highlighting that sort of thing. But we also cover everything else.

Right? There's been years in the past where Tim will bring out a raft and, you know, kids will bounce on the boat and all those sorts of things. We'll have some of our pamphlets out for facilities, things of that nature. Safety on the South Fork, that one's really, you know, angled at safety on the river. And so we do we are allowed to operate at Marshall Gold North Beach, and that is where we do a lot of our education prior to putting in.

So as people are getting their rafts or their inflatable tube ready, we have an opportunity to educate them before they get in the water and and hopefully share some best practices with them day and the so they live their life. May is bike month. This is something that Shannon and I have been brainstorming on a little bit recently. We would like to do an event. It is more than likely gonna be kind of focused around our bike park, and it'll probably have some aspect of, like, community service and then maybe a little bit of, like, a fun event to it.

So that park could use a lot of weed pulling, so it'll probably be a little bit of that. Maybe get some of our our shrub beds tuned up a little bit. And then just seeing if there's something that we could do, like an activity that incorporates some of the features of the park. One of my thought was, like, maybe we do some sort of time trial on the pump track. Never done one. Couldn't tell you what goes into it, But there are some people that are associated with some of our partner agencies that have experience in that. And so my plan is to reach out to them and say, hey. Would you be interested in partnering on this sort of thing? If so, logistically, what are we thinking? You know?

And see if we can make something something happen there at the bike park. And then I can tie it back to where we started. So the twenty fifth later this month, we'll have that spring trail fest and deer swamp at solid ground, and it's kind of really highlighting the Eldorado Trail. My hope is at that event, I can really try to I don't know. Push is the right term, but I'll use it.

Push our volunteer opportunities for construction on the Eldorado Trail. So work we have on the natural trail, it has seasonal restrictions, and they lift tomorrow on the fifteenth. And so we'll be using it as opportunity to see if we can, you know, advertise the project, let people know what it is we have going on, what we have permits for, what needs to be done, and hopefully get some volunteers to sign up for a couple workdays so we

can project. That's kind of

the spread of projects that you all could participate in if you so choose. And, also, I guess technically, now I'm gonna do any of them, but it is one of your guys' goals as or mine. That's right. Kinda get involved in that regard. So how do guys go about selecting them? I'll leave that up to you.

Commissioner, any any discussion on this?

Well, one thought is you guys wore your badges, and I forgot today. I don't forget a lot. I would be be sure to wear them when you go out to the sink. And even if you just drop pipe and think people seeing this out there, it makes a difference.

And And

then maybe and I'd be willing to just take for my own if we had, like, a uniform shirt or

Signs. Something

like that we could wear where people would realize it. You just But you shirts. Correct. Is that right?

We did. We had denim shirts.

Oh, there

you go.

Way back. I'm so We'll have to dig those out of the contact spot sometimes.

Yeah. Otherwise, you hate to introduce yourself. You either introduce yourself, or or they go, oh, I see your badge. Yeah. Yeah. We we had a shirt. It'd be cool. Maybe, like, a bowling shirt with a big thing on the back. No. The other quick thought I had was May's bike. Fire district in the past. I've done bike safety. Bike Park may not be a to do that kind of big parking lot where they

I said

be working with Elk Grove County Fire District. Yeah. Future program that good idea. I was hoping that you Especially if Might County. It's such a safety issue. So That's all I

I do know that in regards to the RoopCon Trail and stuff like that, the Cantina on the Con is an excellent opportunity for us to be out there to help support staff with the adoption program and things like that. Also, if we can and I'd be willing to help at the county at fair Fairgrounds. Excuse me. I've done that before. And, yeah, that's kind of a fun thing to do. You get a lot of tech coming in, and I'm sure they'll have some juice that get all kinds of fun and things like that. So I'd be more than happy to help with that. Just have to give me a date and time and that sort of thing. Okay. Danny, know this is all on our side.

Is there anything you might be interested in, participating with?

You talking about it here?

No, this is all that Yeah, coming down and participating in an event down here. I was thinking that maybe you might be interested in anything that had to do with the Rubicon.

That's what I was thinking.

Maybe a cantina on the con. At least you could come down and be a part of that. That be halfway down the hill kinda sorta.

I would have to look and see. I mean, a lot of my interests have to do with your trails. I was a big proponent for putting a lot of these bike trails in that we've got up here and a huge believer that that is future the for recreation. We need to create more opportunities for people to get out and get off out of their cars.

Yeah. Yeah.

So activities like that have a strong interest in me. I I just need to see what we've got because if there's something worthwhile, yeah, I'd be interested.

Okay. That sounds great.

Let me ask you a question. Katie, are you are you familiar? I know this was illuminating for me and I think for John. Are you familiar with how to access, like, the supplemental materials that come with the with the agenda? Have you seen this list of events that Zach was talking about?

I have not.

Okay. We yeah. We'll just make sure because there's like, we we when when Jessica sent out the agenda, they're hyperlinks. You have to click through a few different times, then you can see everything. So it's a pretty comprehensive list. So we'll get it we'll get it to you, and then you can even look at what's there now and see if you wanna jump on board.

Yeah. No. He was saying something about too about the county fair?

Yes. Mhmm.

Okay.

Yeah. So here's my question. I don't know if we could get so I can't do, you know, Friday, Saturday, Sundays, really. But June 18 is a Thursday. I don't know what time we would participate at the county fair. One to three. That's the time we have.

Well, it's Well, Thursday is kind of half day kind of thing. Yeah. If you have

a half day. Yeah.

I don't if

we could get up all the kind like, if we could get Danny to be down here, we could all go to the fair and decide some time together. Yeah. And then come to

our meeting after or something. And be repaved here. Annual report. Yeah. Mean, it's too.

Sure. And not to set your schedule for you, Danny, but Only. I'm like, oh, snap. So it's a meeting day. So

I think that's a good idea. I would be probably more than up for that. What are

you talking to? Would that be

a midweek thing or weekend thing?

It's our what the the the be the beginning of the fair is is June 18, which is a Thursday, and that is also our commission meeting for June.

Oh, okay. Well, that would make sense then. You're talking about us going to the fair as a group and then having a meeting afterwards? I think that's a capital idea.

So we can actually agendize it so that we meet at the fair and then we

Oh, because we're not violating And a non act or

then we would adjourn and then reopen the meeting

some point. I just love the idea of some community members walking up to us and asking us questions.

I know.

Just we'll have to stop the conversation to take public comments.

You speak in English.

See how well we do the brown end?

We break apart so that there's not three of you. Yeah.

Yeah. Two of you go from

here That's to funny.

So I think that's a great idea. Let's try and format that, but I'd be willing to work some other times during the fair as well. So, yeah, just let me know. Okay. I would like to I will try and make the twenty fifth.

I can't make give a commitment of a time, but because we have something else going on, but I definitely will be there at some point during the day. I promise. And

I'm definitely loving the look of the, like, the workdays too. It's really nice. Yes. This is new, right, for this conversation to be taking place with the commission.

Because we made it part of goal.

Yeah. No. I I mean, I appreciate all the work y'all put into to bring this to us. Really appreciate your help. And I don't know if there's a way to try to, like, balance it out since we don't see the other three districts on the list right now. Like, if if there there are things going on Pioneer, things going on at 4 Bay

There are some tentative things. They're not on the list. Yeah. But may in the future, when they become confirmed, we can add them. Sure. In Pioneer Park, there may be a music in the park event.

They

do do that. That's right.

And then Pollock Pines, there's always that logging day. Yes. And they have, you know, community stuff going on, so those are two potentials that are kind of on the list as we wait to hear more. And if you all ever hear of events Yes. Or anything that you do wanna attend or even in South Lake Tahoe, if there's anything that could work Yep. We welcome that as well.

Yep. Definitely.

Is this can we have this list I mean, maybe this is the plan, continually updated and shared

as part of the packet? Absolutely. Okay.

I did know if there was a county fairground yesterday. There's big tickets to

the county fair. Nice.

And a raffle. Anyway, I saw that they're having a kids rodeo in Pioneer Park. I don't know if that's we don't do programming, but, you know, maybe

They've got a lovely arena out there that doesn't get used a whole lot, so that's good to hear.

I thought I had taken it south like Tahoe, Danny. We

have an event coming up that might be worthwhile for to have some commissioners attend. I'm a member of the Optimus Club, and we host this big event at Tahoe Paradise Park, which is in the county. It's not in the city. It's it's a remarkable park, and it's gonna be, I believe, June 20 this year. And it's duck races, and we have vendors, and we have music. And I would like to invite everybody in the commission to come up there and take a look at what we've got and have a good chance to talk to some of the citizens of the South Shore as well because it's a very big event. And it is a Tahoe Paradise Park, which is you know, I I believe it still has some kind of an affiliation with the county.

Yeah. It's an interesting one because you're right. It's not maintained by the city. They have a CSD, essentially. Right.

It's a lovely park. Yeah. It really is in Myers. Right?

Yeah. And then they just built a bridge recently to connect across the river, which actually connects that whole area of you go up Highway 50 on one side. You go out in the other area, and they're separated by the river. And now they have a bridge so people can ride back and forth to the neighborhoods that are right across the river from each other. These people have never been able to get to and and meet with the people, their own neighbors until just now. So that's one of the other areas we're trying to make some improvements out there. It's a nice little bridge.

Well, maybe Danny can even have it booth up there where he promotes county parks and recreation.

Been on my to do list to visit that park anyways, so if you had a reason to get up there.

Been on mine for five years too. Be cool.

It'd be, you know, it'd be good to have a meeting up there. We just have because the community that center community center, we that's a great place. And we could set up a meeting, and it's a public place, and we can all take a trip up there. And

we're not a program agency, but the idea that something like the bike safety thing that I was talking about earlier Mhmm. With the city of South Lake Tahoe jointly with the county Mhmm. To put something that fired at the word that seems like it'd be low low work for our end, but get us some. Yep. Show a little more partnership with the city than we always do. You know?

I think it'd be nice for just to have the fact that supervisors are there. So you you're gonna have a lot of county residents that don't even know who you are. Mhmm. And it'd be valuable. We can have a little booth set up with commissioner and assign or something, whatever. Mhmm. Because there's you know, we're gonna have a big food area. There'll be some dance groups coming out and maybe have an acquirer too. So it's a big event.

Alright. Well, if you guys have any particular interest in participating like that, know what you wanna do. I definitely put me down for the twenty fifth. I'll do my best to be there on sixteenth to help with the the park the bike park cleanup. If I'm interested in seeing that, what's going on there, and then the fair. Okay. Great. So I will definitely do the one to three as for that up. I think that's a great idea, and then we will adjourn to our very other meeting. And then if you have some time that you want me there other other days, but Okay. Okay. Yep.

And usually And I'd love

to do the twentieth. I'll put Taco third. That would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

And, Donna, we were thinking of two hour blocks of time. Does that seem reasonable?

That's more than reasonable. Yeah. That's more than

We could carpool the Tahoe. Don't need to violate the Brown Act to take the car together on

the real time. It's kind

of tough for bit hard. Yeah.

That you're carrying it. Yeah. Exactly. Okay.

Any other further discussion in regards to his life? Okay. Taking public comment. Now taking public comment on item number four, individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be taken first from those participating in the room and then from those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you unmute yourself when called upon. If you're joining the meeting by phone, press 9 to indicate you deserve a comment. If you're joining by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate you deserve a comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record. Is there any comment in the room?

No comment in the room. No comment by Zoom. Okay. Moving on. Item 26Dash067 on this parks division, chief administrative office recommends the commission discuss ideas for recognizing parks and trail volunteers. It is a great item to be discussing. So I will open it up again to Zach to see what his ideas are on this, and we can have a discussion further in regards to it.

Chan, I don't mind presenting it. I just wanna give you the opportunity. You want me to take it, or you wanna get in I'll try in

on things, but not before. Okay.

I wanna give people their attribution. But, yeah, feel free to chime in if if they can do that. So our goal is to discuss the division's volunteer programs, current volunteers, and activities, and ideas for annually recognizing the services and contributions of volunteers and our desired outcome, the draft plan for volunteer recognition, including parameters for when and how volunteers will be recognized, and then process for nomination and selection. And so we kinda have Shannon Shannon put this together and kinda outlined some of our our main programs. Right?

So our trail on the El Dorado Trail. We have some other general parks and volunteer opportunities that kinda come together. Like, one, for example, a lot of them seem to be partnered with some of our youth sports organizations, but, like, we did a project with Snow Lion Little League up at 4 Bay Park where we put 250 pounds of SDC down, and then we top dressed it with about 30 yards of compost and sand. And so there's kind of those sorts of projects that have kind of organically come to fruition, and there's a postcab that comes forward. Hey.

We'd like to rebuild this fence, those sorts of things. And then we have some volunteer opportunities at Huntington's Motors Park in the South Fork Of The American River. We did have a little bit of a discussion this morning. We had an outfitters meeting for this season with all the outfitters on the South Fork Of The American River. And I know in the past, there's been a lot of volunteerism around river cleanup days.

Mhmm. And it still seems like there's general interest, but it seems like that's something that people would I think if it's something we wanna see happen, we probably need to take more of initiative in setting dates and times and things like that. I mean, generally speaking, the conversations go, you know, how's everyone feel about a river cleanup day? Everyone's like, yeah. We feel good about it.

We'd like to participate. And then and that's kind of where it ends. Right? And so it does take a bit of coordination to run projects like that just to be in compliance with the river management plan, and a lot of it's done with private voters. And so, like and also county risk has certain feelings about putting people in county rafts.

And so there's logistic coordination that need to happen with that sort of thing. And, also, you know, I'm naive to the abilities of our commissioners and how savvy they are on the water as a as a boater. So that would maybe be something we take into consideration as well and have maybe some shore based opportunities as well as maybe for those that are more interested in getting out on the water and doing that part. But those are kind of the general types of volunteers that we see. We kinda get some stuff from the rafting community, have a lot from the off highway vehicle community up on the Rubicon.

Obviously, we get a lot of support on the on the Eldorado Trail, and then just kind of some in between projects there. Shannon list out some of the volunteer and and partner agencies that we work with. So American River Conservancy, that's one of the agencies that we do. You know, we just partnered with them on a Scotchburn cleanup down at Edinburgh's Lotus Park. So a lot of the time, you know, they might have an idea, but it'll be at a county facility or vice versa.

We've kind of talked about maybe doing a cleanup event at Chili Bar Park considering we don't necessarily have money to do capital improvements there, but it's not to say that we can't just go do some vegetation work and try to clean up what we have. So maybe some of those sorts of things with ARC. Cal Fire, Amador, El Dorado unit typically cap to Jenny for this one. So this was one that came to fruition in the last year through coordination with Jenny. She had been in conversations with some of the folks at the Amador El Dorado unit, and it turned into a contract at the county where they're doing, you know, defensible space and brush clearing on our behalf in the trail corridor.

So it's like a two for for volunteerism. A volunteer coordinating to get more volunteers. I don't know. It's like, we need more of those. Obviously, friends of the Eldorado Trail, I just kinda touched on some of the stuff that that Jenny's been doing out there, but they also help coordinate our work with volunteers on the Eldorado Trail.

Jenny's helped get, you know, things together working between us and Mother Road Trail Stewardship, all those sorts of things. So then we also have Motherlode Trail Stewardship and Balsam Auburn Trail Riders Action Coalition, also known as BATTRAC. These groups are are really predominantly trail building and maintenance type nonprofits. And so, really, their interest thus far has been in some of the improvements on the natural trail or the natural trail portion of the Overloader Trail. Rubicon and Doctor Trail groups, we had a Friends of the Rubicon meeting.

It was Spider Man video now, but recently, a lot of support. It was a great showing. We had a couple sections that were still up for adoption. Both of those sections, we had people interested in taking, taking and and picking them up. So a lot of support on the Adopt A Trail program on the Rubicon. And then I touched a little bit about some of the projects that we do with some of our youth sports. Like, all of those kind of revolve around field renovation and maintenance, things like that. And then, you know, there's other opportunities to partner with service clubs and groups. I don't think we've done a rotary project yet. Not to say that they're not interested.

They just haven't haven't got the business card or the connection with the rotary clubs yet. So, you know, maybe that's something we look into or if there's anyone that has connections with rotary, if they have similar park centric projects. Yeah. There's two of us. Yeah.

But I don't know. Rotary. Sorry. Missed that.

Rotary connections. Yeah. Rotary connections. It's called connecting.

You're not

a part

of it. Yeah. Volunteerism. If they're interested, tell them to call me. And then just individuals. So this is something that's I've seen a recent uptick in, and I attribute that to staff making improvements to our system. They'll give Shannon some credit for this. Also, Tim Cottamaro, they created a volunteer portal on our website. So instead of just calling and talking to the parks guy, You got anything I can do? You could actually put in, like, an interest card and say, hey. You know, this is my contact information. We're interested in doing these sorts of things. Kudos to staff for getting the people to to the forms so that they can get involved with volunteerism. Shannon included some key dates here. So April is national volunteer month.

Might not be a bad time to get into the the spirit of volunteerism. And then specifically, April 20 is volunteer recognition day. And I believe, if I'm not incorrect, Jenny, you were recognized last year as, like, our volunteer of the year. See, we get a two year run. You know? Keep it going. So, you know, this sort of thing will obviously dovetail into into that recognition. So some of our ideas, social media spotlight posts. Right? We can just do, you know, volunteer of the month or shining star, that sort of thing.

Something that the commission can do. They can do commendations presented at our parks and rec commission meetings and include in your annual reports of the board of supervisors. Right? We can kinda highlight those things that are happening out in the community. Volunteer service awards. We can, you know, think about developing a challenge point or other sorts of whatever lapel pin or some other sort of swag to make people feel that. So it's a sense of notoriety for doing doing the thing. And then just volunteer appreciation events, and that could really be anything. Right? It could just be reserving a gazebo down at Hannes And Lotus Park and getting a barbecue out and taking a little time to show some appreciation.

So that's some of the stuff that that we've thought about. But that's it. You guys are cool.

I wanna hear what you guys think. I think all of that sounds great.

What's the yeah. Sorry, Don. No. That's okay. Go ahead. What is the the greatest need from the from the perspective of staff? Because all these things, like, the challenge point is, cool. You met a threshold. Good job. That's kinda like she's spread it around. Getting amazing you know, trying to have more than one ginny would be awesome for us. So, like, what's

the what's the Like, what's our greatest volunteer need? Yep. Would say the project right now that needs the most volunteer support is the Eldorado Trail, the natural trail portion. I mean, that's gonna be a big one for us. There's time sensitivity to it. So the SBTCJPA has been paid for all of the jurisdictional permitting, and so there's a time clock on that, and and it's been a while coming. You know? I mean, that project's been permitted since 2015. And, personally, I would like to see at least that lower section completed and not in ten years. You know?

I think it's it's doable in a short amount of time as long as we're organized and coordinated and we have joint effort. But that's one where we've kinda had some volunteerism ebb and flow a little bit. And I feel like recently, we're getting some some good vibes going. Right? And not to say anything negative about past volunteers.

I appreciate everything that anyone that's volunteered has done in the past, but I know, specifically with some of the trail stewardships, they've had some turnover in staff and are seeming to now kind of have some of those positions get fixed in place and are starting to be more able to maybe do some more volunteer projects. Whereas over this last year, a lot of it has been, like, internal housekeeping stuff of, hey. We're reorging our our our stewardship, and so we have to get this figured out before we can start doing some of these things. So I'm hopeful that in this next season and and over the next year, we can have some good progress with toilet depart trail stewardship. So Mhmm.

I would say that would be my number one as the parks manager. I'd like to see some more volunteer support for. And what could the commission do to help you with that? I mean, my ideally, yeah. I mean, during the tabling at Trail Fest, like the the swap meet, I mean, I think that's the amazing opportunity because you're gonna have both of the trail stewardships or at least one of the trail stewardship in attendance.

You know, friends of the El Dorado Trail will be there. And, really, it's more centric to that community, it seems like, like, and trail user. And so I feel like that's a prime opportunity to hit our target audience. And so, like, my vision for when we look at that at this place too is really highlighting that project. Right? Having some exhibits, showing maps, showing areas of what we need to do. What's the first project? What's the date? Like, having those sorts of things already kinda figured out, so it's a very clear ask to the volunteer. This is the date. This is the time. This is what we're trying to achieve, and this is what you're working towards. Right? So it's like, here's the big vision, and this is the part that I need from you. So Okay.

Helping with that. And I guess if there's anything else if there's other forums that you guys see that maybe I'm not seeing. Right? Like, I try to get out there in the community, but I don't know if you are hearing something at Rotary or if, you know, in talking with that they're doing these bike training events, maybe that's an in for us to say, hey. Like, maybe we can, you know, hitch our wagon to that and try to drum up some volunteers and that. Or

I mean, I think so stepping back away from, like, that that specific goal, like, what I what I like about all this as well is it's fit when when I was working under volunteerism back in day, we called it the virtuous cycle, like, that, you know, people have the opportunity to engage, and then they are celebrated. And so those same people feel good about it or other people recognize the opportunity exists. So, like, you know, if we can find ways to promote the great things that are already going on, people or entities like Roto Rooter would be like, oh, let's get on board with this or individuals can get on board with it or see opportunities to plug in. So I think there's a lot just to everything that this this write up has about all the opportunities to recognize volunteerism. And I do think there's it's almost like I feel like there's two forks here two times, I guess it's one fork.

That is, like, you know, let's dig in and think about seriously how we can, as a commission, and not just put it on staff or on our community partners to push these things forward, but how can we support that? And then all of action. Right? So, like, the lower portion of the Eldorado Trail. And then let's also dial in on what are some just year over year regular ways that we're doing volunteer appreciation. Right? Yeah. So I would actually like well, I don't want to advance the conversation yet, so I'll just leave it there for now.

I think it's important that we do the recognition of what you say because that just gets people motivated to help more because they see they're being recognized so they're not just putting out a lot of effort, and it just Right.

It just feels like it's always Yeah.

It's not knowledge that's important.

For us to attend some of these these events is extremely important. Yes. So, yeah, I I think all of those are really, really good ideas. I do like the volunteer appreciation that at summertime, maybe, like, in September or something like that when the weather's a little cooler. Yeah. People are willing to come out. And so once park's a great place to go. And Right. If you don't decide to go there, you know, it might even be fun to go to Bradford Park. It's a small park. It's kind of halfway between everything. You know? And then that sort of thing.

Yeah. That would be neat if you'd like to say, okay. You know, we'll have the trail folks and or I guess the El Dorado Trail folks, the river folks

all come out. Yeah.

You know? You know? Connect it to all of their investment in a bigger picture case.

It all threw out four big park only because it got to the park and Yeah. Makes it a little closer for him. Yep. Absolutely.

And there's some great things that are happening up there too. I mean, it's a little slow, but, you know, it's been a long time coming. And when it's done, it's gonna be groggy. Yeah.

So couple thoughts I have. One, you mentioned Rotary, but Rotary also sponsors an interact club on Right. High school campus, and the one that started down at Ponderosa. I don't know if there's one that you need in El Dorado. K.

Right. It's in El Dorado. Yeah. Not it.

But they're not the only community service organizations in high school. Right. And they're always looking for projects to do keep on another way. Yep. And it almost sounds like we need you said that a volunteer volunteer coordinator, somebody that is focused on this stuff and keeps it moving forward and keeps a little bit of a handle on it.

To some degree, that'd be great if it was staff, but you you can't keep moving stuff on staff just because it become a great idea. The Hill CST actually has a a paid position for volunteer coordinating, So there may be some resource there that we could tie into somehow. The CSD does a series of concerts over the summer. I don't know if we want to do every concert, but at the end of the year, they have a big blowout concert. I think we call it Summerfest or something.

It's for the fun finale. Yeah. We can set up a county booth for it or distribute the information with the panel. They'll Okay. Maybe sign up sheet that collect email addresses that people would be interested, and and they check the box of things they're they're interested in to pursue some things that way.

They have another idea. So in in this, back in in January and I were at a meeting yesterday with Rick Ferraro to talk about the El Road Trail. And one of the things that that I've committed to follow-up on is there's I don't know if I've talked about it since you guys have been on the commission with 30 acre park site, south in Velrode Hills that could belong to the county. That'd be a great place for a trailhead. And and the discussion yesterday came a little can we partner with Eldorado to CSD?

Because maybe they could have some funding sources with assessment districts or their community facility district or something to to help with move that forward. So I haven't initiated that conversation yet, but that that may be a possibility. And, you know, I I see partnerships like the El Dorado Hill, but others. Mhmm. South Lake Tahoe, City Of Placerville.

I mean, we had somebody that had more time than the few staff that we've got to coordinate some of these things and set it up and keep them moving forward as opposed to bringing up a great idea and then see you next time, and then a year later, bringing up another great idea. It it it takes some work. Yep. We just and we just need now to figure out how to do this as a lie. Yep. This is a lie. Yep. So, anyway, that's all the thoughts I got for now.

If, if you have specific things that you would really like to get volunteers on, have to be really, really specific. I'd be more than happy to reach out to LEANERACT clubs and the key clubs, to see if we couldn't get volunteers through that, because they're always looking for community service because they get their credit. And but it has to be specific. Okay. We're gonna do this at this date, at this time. Here's what you need to bring, that sort of thing. So

That's the only way they work.

Exactly. I mean, you know, you're herding cats when you're talking about teenagers. Right? Yeah. So, you know, it's really important that we have all the specifics, but it not only that, but it helps whoever is whoever's chairing the that club or that group through their individual clubs, stuff like that. And you mentioned Ponderosa. Is that through Park?

Cameron Park Road. Oh, great. Just started this year.

Just started. That's awesome. So you've got three Internets, and then they all have Keyclub as well, which is part of the Yeah.

I think there may be a Keyclub overage now, but just Oh, really? Okay. Would

if you have something, then let me know, and I will do the research and get it reach out to whoever their sponsors are within the school and within each individual cohort because it's usually right through the department.

And we would be interested in, like if we really put a specific scope together for, like, a portion of a natural trail project? Like, it was just, like, this defined area, get these couple little pieces built in. I mean, a lot of it is just manually removing rock. Fill this little spot that holds water over rock.

Yeah. It would be certainly worth yes. I think that we would present it. Either they join in or they don't. I mean but but we need to be specific. Yeah. And then we

can be, like, a specific day at a specific time as opposed to the project take weeks.

Exactly. Yeah.

I'm I'm the adviser for the.

K. Saturday, April blah blah blah blah. From 11:00 to 01:00, we're

doing this. I think we could break off a bite size chunk to kind of address in that. Yeah.

Or two and a half. Yeah. Something is generally what we

Chunk it out a little bit. Right. Okay.

And you'd wanna have them sign waivers for the county. Absolutely. Absolutely. It takes takes some courtation. Sure.

Well, I wonder if, you know, just in in the in the spirit of let's not, like, put put the county staff doing more work to fill, you know, what doesn't necessarily have to fall off the county's shoulders. It's like, you know, like, this the web page that y'all put up looks great. I wonder if there's actually a way of creating sort of the other direction of it, which is a stewardship group, do you need more volunteers? You know? And then, like, the commission or, like, the portal can, like, help with that.

Like, basically, you have here's my list of desires that's coming from, you know, one of the the stewardship groups, whether it's trails, rivers, or whatever. And then you're also like, the commission is sort of, like, trying to, like, be almost like a matchmaker in a way or that the the website can do that a little bit.

Yeah. Or, like, just provide those other volunteer opportunities. Hey. Obviously, you're interested in what we're providing.

Yep.

You're interested in these other sorts of activities. Check out Yeah. For LTS or under the. Right.

Right. The American River Parkway does a annual cleanup endeavor into the rafting season when all the junk is floated down and end up on the shore. Yeah. It's a little easier for them because they own both sides of the county own both sides of the river pretty much from Folsom Lake down the the city of the part of it. Mhmm. But there are Oak Ridge interact club has been participated that above the dam, like, we're on Folsom Lake Mhmm. On an annual basis. Mhmm. There's parts of the county or the county wants cleaned up, that'd be an easy target to set a date. September 1, we will be doing this on Mhmm. You know, from eight to noon or something.

My other thought, because I feel like these are all really good ideas, was I wonder if there is, like, two of us could spend a little bit more time as commissioners dialling in on it and, like, a, you know, a subcommittee that's saying, like, okay. Well, you know, if we're to do, you know, Facebook recognition, here's here's our recommendations. It's a little bit more explicit for staff if that's helpful. If it's not helpful, we don't need to do any more work. But if you wanted us to get a little bit more refined about what we think is the best way to recognize volunteers and also theoretically go back and so this the other time before, also, like, is there other brainstorming we could do about how to galvanize action toward the tray the lower part

of the elbow of the trail? I don't But

Donna, Wayne, and Danny think about that. I'm because of my, you know, facilitating volunteers in the organization from the past, I feel a strong kinship with this. We'd love to talk about it more. Sure. I don't know if there's anybody else that would wanna dig in with it.

I I especially from the end of the beginning, not only volunteers, adult volunteers, but getting kids out there, getting them involved. Who knows? You might be able to get some of the kids that are on the in the bump track and things like that, skate park, all of that sort of thing. So, yeah, I need to do that. And

And if you all have other recognition ideas Yeah. We welcome them as It's definitely not limited to this. Sure. For example, that kind of idea, looking at a four wheeler magazine, potentially, for example, Rubicon Trail adoptees, We can, thank them in this four wheeler mag. So there's all sorts of potentials like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Think that's a great idea too. Yeah.

And you y'all will just move forward as you see fit. You don't need our us to bless anything like this, but if we can come up with good ways to do it, like, that's helpful. Yeah. To support you.

Yeah. To support you. So Yeah. I think that's that's what you're saying is

that Yep.

How can we take a little bit of off of you so it's yeah. Yeah.

And, also, I mean, the end goal is to make people feel good about their volunteerism. Right? I mean, Shannon and spent I a good amount of time on this just kinda brainstorming and putting these things together. But at the same time, like

I don't know.

It's worthwhile to have the conversation. It's part of what you guys are working on anyways because some of the goals is here. So Sure.

Is there any action we can pull? Y'all chose to the staff chose to recognize Jenny this last year. Yeah. Is there any support we can be? Because it'd nice to just jump in and make sure that we do that this year as well, or you guys have something in mind. Right?

No. I started an Excel sheet where I'm tracking names.

Mhmm. Yeah.

So I didn't know exactly the best way to kind of like, maybe it's just out in the email and how we need to figure out how to kind of

I mean, I on have that. You have nominations? Send them over. I would also say is that if it's something you guys wanna weigh in on, we could put an item together where, you know, either before you guys do your annual presentation, if that's where you'd wanna say, like, hey. Here's our volunteer of the year or a volunteer spotlight on a couple different programs. Right. I guess where my mind goes is the seasonal seasonality of volunteerism doesn't necessarily line up perfectly with your annual report. So it might be a year in arrears in some cases, you know, when the volunteer event happened. But I don't know. That's kinda like what I was thinking.

Some of those things you can incorporate into your annual report. And then, yeah, obviously, I mean, if you guys are seeing someone going above and beyond or even just consistent. Right? I mean, I wanna make sure I don't have a blind spot, and maybe they've been there forever, I'm just whatever. Not giving them their their new shine. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, if you guys feel strongly about it, I'd be open to putting that item on a future agenda just so you guys could have the discussion and make a recommendation.

I think we'd like to I think we'd like to hear about it. That's for sure. To to participate in that. I think we're gonna have to lean more towards what you bring forward to us simply because you're you're working it day to day. Yeah. Yeah. No. We're we're just hearing about it on a monthly basis. So but, you know, I think we would we wanna hear about it. And, yes, I think it's excellent to put it in your report. Yep.

Non democrats always looking for, you know, little opportunities. Sure. But is there Yeah.

We need stories about the other things that are happening for sure.

Did did we kind of, generally in our?

I did. We had nominated Jenny or Jenny. It actually wasn't through the parks of it. It was county wide volunteer spotlight. And so it was actually our public information officer Carla Hatz at the time and just did, like, a call for shining star volunteers to all divisions. And, obviously, we highlighted everybody.

Still highlight her again. Yeah. Yeah.

I said, just let's run

it back. Yeah. Yeah. She keeps doing great. I mean, she's gonna have a ball full of hardware while Well, I recognize volunteers. They should volunteer.

So they keep volunteering. That's that's

She's over here for the choreo.

Yeah. Yeah. Danny goes Alright. Yeah. So,

Danny, do you have any input on this? Do you have any thoughts on this?

Well, one of my thoughts would I was just listening. I mean, it's great ideas so far, but one that I kinda had is, you know, if you depends on the relationship with the newspaper, the Mountain Democrat. Once a month, maybe have an El Dorado County volunteer of the month and an article written up about them and have the different organizations that have volunteer organizations be able to nominate somebody or maybe that organization selects one of their members so that brings a spotlight to the people that are volunteering and getting them recognition, which would hopefully be able to get people more interested in in becoming volunteers because they might know that there's a reason for a need for the volunteers for these different kinds of groups.

That's a great idea, Danny. We could also extend it out that it could be on the Parks and Rec website too.

Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. True.

And I'm sure there's somebody at the Mount Democrat that deals with, you know, local interest stories like that, and

that would be

they would we we would be able to get the names. Maybe we can vote on it or whatever, or maybe we just have them selected a certain month. And then that person would get in would get in contact with the person at Mountain Democrat, get a picture and an article written. And I that would spotlight them and kinda make them feel a little bit more important because they are important. They're very important.

So it it would also be helpful too, Danielle, if you have anyone up there that you would like to see highlighted as well because we wanna keep that part of the volunteerism. As for even though it may not be county related, you might have somebody that's volunteering in the city for the parks or your bike you guys have a great skate park and a bike park. So something to that effect that, yes, it doesn't it doesn't have to be limited to the Western Slope.

Or even just You know what?

If you have five districts, there should be once once a month from a different district.

Yeah. That would be great.

Or yeah.

That would be awesome. Yeah.

Yeah. The way the city of Sacramento would do this with their parks commission, it was like each year, each commissioner got to nominate or got to honor one person. And so there'd be one meeting where all of it, whatever, nine commissioners would have honorees. So I think and that's kinda like where I'm talking about, like, subcommitteeing this. Like, let's dial in on the things we really wanna, like, just have. And then and then we can set a calendar. Like, okay. Well, it's November. We know we wanna have this ready for April, so let's solicit nominations, etcetera, etcetera. So just really get, like, specific about it.

Or one organization, though.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yes.

We would just have to have a list of all the different volunteer groups so we'd be able to have some kind of a plan of how to distribute this monthly volunteer of the of the month groups and some kind of an organized plan for it.

K. Great idea from Carla at all. But when she she planning on doing another drug addiction check this year?

I haven't heard anything.

K.

Maybe I'll reach out to our PIO and see kind of what her schedule looks like. And then to me, it sounds like we'll we'll probably be putting another similar item on the agenda, but kind of more a little bit more meat to it, I guess, as far as exactly the means and methods, how we wanna go about identifying these people, what exactly it is, frequency, all that sort of thing, maybe a potential Yeah. Subcommittee to

Or or or before that, that we just know that in May or June or next meeting, we just or we talk about this further. Like, it doesn't have to be two of us.

We can just all

work on it together. Yeah. Cool. Okay.

Any other comment with one of the commissioners?

We do the subcommittee.

Yep. Maybe one of the things that we're gonna do would be to break this into pieces so that it's it's huge by itself. Yes. But if we could

focus on different things Recognition and what they group

of entities. Yeah. For another. You

know? You're right. Very. Yeah.

Otherwise, you you go circles. Yep. Exactly. 100%.

Think recognition is probably where to start, but, honestly, since there is already activity going on and then specific action.

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Yes. Jenny. Thinking about I mean, I think it's great to encourage people to volunteer, but in thinking about ways to get people sort of initially involved, One thing I thought was to have people maybe submit photos of their activities they're doing at the various like, I I'm trying to think about this for the trail because I don't wanna ask people for photos of the trail so that because I try to get out and take photos, but, you know, I know there's plenty of people out on the trail, and they're there, and I wanna ask for their photos. And for each of the facilities, I and I think about this for the trail. Like, I've I've been trying to at one time, I was trying to put together, here's where you can start a trip on the trail.

Here's how far you can go. Here's what you'll expect to see, that kind of thing. So I think those kinds of things to ask people, like, okay. If you're using this facility, what are you doing there? How are you, you know, how are you using it? Where are you you know, if you're if you're walking on the trail, where are you going? Or if you're, riding your bike on a certain area, where's the best place to park your car? I mean, asking for their expertise, I guess, because they're the one to be doing that. In in that or getting their volunteerism sort of started. Mhmm.

Yes. And think I'll be I'd be willing to, like, help out with with working with the high school kids because I live right by that. I live right by El Dorado High School. So Oh, okay. Alright. Let me know. Sure. Okay. Good good to know. Okay. Hang on. And then there's no comment by Zoom. Okay. Alright. So next excuse me.

I've got a a 26Dash0671. Park delivered to the office recognize the permission to staff. The draft guideline from private events related to park closures and a recommendation that the guidelines be approved and incorporated in the preparation cost recovery. You remember, this is the site that needs to be moved from our last meeting. So when we get to the exact. Everyone said put this together. It's well, you guys take the lead

on it.

You wanna start or you want me to start? I think you should start. You put a lot of work in.

Yeah.

Did. I did. I mean,

this was relatively straightforward. So I think it's really started in the last year. Hard to remember. But the idea is, you know, let's And Danny, once again, this is a document that we created. So if you don't have it in front of you, it may be a little bit opaque, but we'll try to talk about it clearly.

But the idea is like as the cost I guess the revenue generating model of park use brings up the question of what is the viability of us renting the park out or our park assets out to private use to create more money to do good things with parks and trails and whatnot. So Zach and I took a crack at what are the different elements to take into consideration when allowing for people to potentially, like, shut down Penangs And Lotus Park or Pioneer Park or something like that. So we created these various areas of consideration, so minimizing, you know, closures to public use and public access, making sure people are very aware of things, and then how often it happens. And so based on the conversations that Zach and I had, we drafted this document that should, I mean, be relatively comprehensive. I I researched what other districts are doing related to this and what information they had and also, you know, Zach's input about what made sense from the perspective of how they're already dealing with these things.

I feel like, you know, all of these elements are worth discussing, but the one that really is the most, like, meaty is frequency, which is subcategory D, how often we'd be willing to let the various parks get closed, because I think that's that's the essence of it is like, are we you know, if it feels right to do it, you know, does this feel, like, too much or too little or, like, really too much? So that's the area that I really was sort of the numbers that we put here, or I guess I put here, is completely placeholder, right? So it said, due to the scale of the park, we would not close Huntington Lotus more than two times a year. For our slightly smaller parks, Pioneer 4 Bay, no more than four times. For our smaller parks, more than six times, which we Joe's Skate Park, Bradford Park, Historic Railroad Park, Pool Depot Bike Park, and they put the El Dorado Trail in here.

So but that would just

be a portion of it. Think I

don't imagine somebody could shut the whole thing down. That'd pretty awesome. So that is my overview, Zach. I don't if you'd wanna add anything to it.

Only thing I would add is I have recently got clarity on the Rubicon Trail. And as it currently stands, we would not be able to close that for any special events. It's not to say that it wouldn't be able to take place in the future, but right now, that's not a viable option and probably shouldn't Even listed. Yeah. Don't take much of our time on that. I mean, if things change in the future, we can revisit it. But I think for now, it should really just be focused on our park locations and in the Eldorado Trail. But other than that, yeah, I agree, and kudos to Torin. I think he did some good work on this. And generally speaking, I would say it aligns with most of the agencies within our area.

So nothing really, you know, out of the norm or different here. And just to kind of reiterate, you know, back in July, we gave a presentation to the board of supervisors around cost recovery and just our general approach to balancing reopen public spaces and then, you know, recovering our costs on operating a public facility. And so you kinda have these two ends of the spectrum where you have these activities that are open and free to the public because they're a general benefit to everybody. If there's a multiuse field at Hennings And Lotus Park that's open to the public, everyone can use it. Therefore, it's highly subsidized.

It should be pretty pretty free and open for everyone to use. When we started talking about private events, kind of the complete opposite end of the spectrum where you can realize high rates of cost recovery, but it's a very specific benefit to only a handful of users. And so really what this item is doing is helping us kind of clarify what our approach is when you get to that far right part of the spectrum where it's like, okay. We're we're I we're admitting that this is a very specific benefit to a very narrow user group, but at the same time, there's a very high rate of cost recovery, and therefore, you know, we're allowing it in this limited capacity. So that was kind of the, you know, the the jumping point that we were coming off of in tackling.

And the presum I mean, I think to some degree, for me, the presumption is that, like, you know, it isn't a huge negative public impact because there are instances where these parked spaces are underutilized. So, you know you know, taking advantage of that and generating revenue creates more public good as well.

It gives us the ability to do more maintenance and improvements to parks. Right? It

works two ways also because if you have these private events, more and more people get exposure to the park, particular park or other parks, which can create more usage as well. But it's

a slippery slope because you don't want to keep the public from using it by having it closed very often Yeah.

Or maybe

maybe close sections of it.

Yep.

I think the value of it is very, very, very important that you you need to get a lot more people using the parks somehow, and this is

a good way to do it. Yeah.

That's from other commissioners on some of our recommendations on private events related to park closures or how we will potentially address park closures. And I'll also say, you know, this fee study cost recovery project, it's a large project. Like, that's just there's no two ways about it. So, you know, as of right now, this is just gonna be one of probably a few documents that are, like, our guiding principles for putting this together. But I would also say as we make progress through this, I mean, there will be more items on future agendas related to cost recovery, how we go about doing park rentals, how we're setting our fees, all those sorts of things.

So this is one of those foundational pieces that's gonna inform kind of the rest of the work that we have coming on this this next year.

Well, I think it's a good basis to start with, and then from there, will develop what your what the specifics would be for someone to actually rent a portion of. I don't think there is gonna be anybody that's going to want to rent all of Park. There's just no that doesn't seem feasible to me. Yeah. But they would rent portions of it. And how would how do

you secure that it is

a private van because it is a public area. So these are these are really good things to consider, and that would be a good justification for how you go about setting the other guidelines for a private van and the cost factor.

I just are these are guidelines guidelines help point directions, multiple directions. You know, your policies and procedures is a big, major step. Yep. So developing those will address a lot of the issues about, you know, you have a wedding reception, HLP or a wedding. Mhmm. You know? And, you know, how many people you find in break? Well, we we expect 500 people. But what's that due to the parking for the park users? Right.

I don't know. It's gonna be tough to get into those kinds of specific Yeah. But it's the guidelines is what keeps you on track. And as you go and start putting policy and procedures together, you may find there's some things in the guidelines that are need to be tweaked a little

bit Yeah. Sure.

Or missing or whatever.

So

it it's it's ongoing. It's an evolution. So so it's very good.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing that because I've had a little bit experience with that in the past. Yeah. It's always a difficult thing to figure out trying to make sure you have all the i's dotted and t's crossed for the different groups and the rules so that everybody understands exactly what it is. For example, do you allow public I mean, private businesses to rent spaces, or does that be a nonprofit? Things like that.

Right.

I agree about Buburtan Trail. It probably shouldn't be on. No. Because I I think the only thing that's and maybe you don't have to do anymore, but I think at lunchtime, it was required that, like, when they did Cheaper Chambourie It is they have to take that to the board of supervisors for approval, and they still do that?

Yeah. Yeah. So, essentially, that's that's the one event that's allowed. And so in 2015, they were issued a parade permit. Correct. And it was also put into place at that time that that event was grandfathered in. There would be no other permit issued or events of that nature on the Rubicon Trail because that event was also had gone through the process of being deemed a historic event. And so because of its historic nature, kind of precipitated why they got the rate permit.

And there was no fee, and there never has been fees associated with that

at all.

To get the Walk by itself.

Yeah. The supervisors.

Oh, okay.

Just walk up. Technically,

County Road. Right? And so

So I'll be Okay. But

it's all around DOT and road right away sorts of movements and motions and not really a a park

workflow. There's still two events on the right, Jeepers Jamboree and Jeep Jamboree.

Yeah. Well, they have Jeepers Jamboree runs, I think, two weekends, like, back to back. K. And there are a lot of other smaller, like, club to ride that they do out there and stuff like that. So I would say

Right. They're different.

Any Jeep club that's been formed in Northern California probably goes to the Rubicon once a year at some point in time. Right? I mean, it's that just sort of place for people that are into that sort of hobby. But as far as organized permitted events, it's really just the two that are done by Jeepers Gymboree. So one is Jeepers Jamboree, and then the second one is Kids Camp.

And it's really focused around families and then trail education. And so we actually go out for actually, do both events this year. Historically, like, I went out last year for Kids Camp to just do the general trail safety and and trail best practices, and they gave us, you know, fifteen or twenty minutes to talk to the kids. They go on, a hike and, you know, we point and look at things and talk about different BMPs on the trail. So, yeah, it's a cool opportunity.

And, again, it gets a lot of the right people in one spot at the same time so you can really get messaging to 400 people that I know are gonna use this trail. You know? And so you you get a lot of interactions at a fair booth, but when you're having those conversations, a percentage of those people that actually could point to where the Rubicon is on a map or are actually trail eaters, it's a pretty low percentage. I mean, it's a pretty expensive hobby to get into. And so events like Cantina for the Con or us going up to our Ellis Creek Building, giving a Montreal education and some of these really large Jeep events, it's, like, 100% the target audience, and we got some information for you.

And board commissioner. Other comment, Danny, from your end in regards to this item?

No. I I wouldn't mind putting my 2¢ worth in when we have discussions like a one on one. If anybody like to call and talk to, and I'd be happy to talk to anybody about it once they see the articles and where the where we have it. As I said, I've been through this before on both ends of it, and I'd be happy to take a look and see if there's anything I can come up with. I won't know anything till I see the where we what the document and where we stand.

Good. Very good. Any other comments? Alright. Public comment. Now taking public comment on item number six, individuals will have three minutes to address the commission. Public comment will be taken first from those participating in the room and then from those participating by Zoom. For those participating by Zoom, please make sure you are mute yourself when called upon. To rejoin the meeting by phone, press 9 to indicate a star comment. If you're joining by Zoom, press the raise hand button to indicate a star comment. Please voluntarily state your name for the record. Is there any comment in the room? Comment in the I'll comment by Zoom. Okay. Well, thank you, Lauren, for this.

This is this is great. That's a great jump off point for us as we move forward on that whole project. So looking forward to more pieces as we go down the road, putting it together to effective '24. Alright. Commission members, comments on future agenda items? Anything on the Western Slope?

Can you look in my direction? So I passed out the Around Here magazine. There's a little article there that e bikes. Danny, I'll try to get you a copy of that that magazine as well. K. And in fact, while I'm on that, are you gonna be around on May the first Saturday in May? I think it's May 2. Maybe Yeah. Maybe up until maybe we can meet for coffee or lunch or something like that if you're available.

That would be good.

Okay. So I'll get contact information from the staff so I can follow-up. We've talked about doing tours of the districts, and they don't we'll pull that off or not. But if any if any of the commissioners wanna tour District 1, we have to do a one on one with them, and I'm just throwing that out. SPTC, the JPA is meeting on May 11. The commissioners can make that. I believe it's, like, 9AM. I remember right. Folsom City Hall Chambers. May 11.

So that remind me, baby? Yeah. Okay. That track and and Zach probably know this because I brought it up yesterday. The the Folsom Robert Trail Riders Group. Their president is doing a presentation tomorrow morning at 07:30AM at the Elmerino Rotary Club. Yeah. And staff, besides Zach, Zach's already been invited. You're welcome to come Or you guys, if you're interested, it's at the CST Pavilion, which is Corner Of Harvard in Boulevard at 07:30 and include breakfast, and you come as a guest so you can have to This is I'm sorry. Tomorrow?

Tomorrow morning. Yeah. Danny, you're welcome too. If you leave up there about 5AM, you should make it in time.

Of course. No problem. You have to take out the snow first.

May 2. Oh, very good, that one. And then that's that's all I can talk about here. Thank you.

I don't have anything for you.

Yeah. For sure. So just to to tie things up a little bit with where we ended up with the river management plan, We Donna, Zach, and I had a great meeting with the folks. Was pretty pretty easily got to a place of agreement about all those different violation issues that had crept up during the draft plan conversations, we kinda left it open. I mean, there were other issues that folks on the clock had.

And so I guess I'll just warn that maybe we'll see it come up again because it's like, yeah, you can pass a draft plan or you can make it put the draft into a final plan, but then, you know, the community can still express a need for it to be updated. So that may happen even though probably we'll see the the plan approval process come in three years from now. So I was kinda surprised that they didn't take us up on our offer to potentially write a letter advocating on behalf of certain things, but they didn't. So that's fine. So I I think we're good and it's to bet until the supervisors vote on it.

And then, you know, maybe it'll jump up again in the next year, but we'll see. I I guess just that my only other comment that I have is just thanking Wayne for sharing this this submission. Yeah. I mean,

Quite a few years.

You you guys are easy. Yeah. Well but,

I mean, like, you know, I I joined. You embraced me with open arms, I guess, to do a tour with you. It's been a wonderful opportunity to to for me to be really kind of onboarded by you. But just the fact that you are such a resource to the county for, you know, just the the investment you put into things is is awesome. So, like, you know, I I appreciate all the interest that you've doing. Thank you. Yep.

You know? Thanks, Rose. Yeah. I'll I'll just. I didn't think to bring up the clock. But, yeah, I thought the meeting went really well. I I was a little surprised. Know?

It went that well. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

I was a little surprised. And I think what you were referring to with regards to the letter about the changes, where they feel like there's some real substantial change. And and it's more about, I think, more about wording than it is any real substantive change that they don't like. Right. It's just about they wanted to wordsmith a lot of stuff, and I think that's probably one of the reasons why they didn't

Yeah. Yeah.

To pursue that. And it's like I mentioned that be careful what you ask for because we put a letter out there. The supervisors could very well say, okay. Well, if you got more you wanna add to it, why are you bringing this to us, Mary? But other than that, all in all, I thought it went well. It was time well spent Good. With them, and I think we actually met in some good relations as far as the commission at CLAG. Just don't remember. Yeah. It was yeah.

This kinda ties back to item four, meeting with members of the community, whether it's just an informal or a handshake kind of thing or whatever binds Exactly. Place is stronger. So thank you. Thank you both for doing that. Yeah.

Something up on South Lake Tahoe. Do you have anything to comment on, Danny, or any upcoming items that you'd like to see on our agendas?

Yeah. Actually, just a couple of things. I think the day in Paradise might actually be in July. I'll send you the actual dates on it and the times and what's going on as soon as we get it all. We're gonna have flyers written up and everything, so I can send you that when I get the information. But I want to bring up another event that is very, very special. This is July 6, pardon me, June 6, and it's at Sawmill Pond. For those of you that don't know, Sawmill Pond was the very first pond in the state of California to be designated for kids only 14. Now there's many of them, but Sawmill Pond was the very first one. And ever since then, we as the Optimist Club have been hosting a fishing derby there from eight until twelve.

And this fishing derby is just one of the largest and most popular events that we put on, where you bring your kid, bring your grandkids or your kids, you don't have to have a pole, you don't have to know anything about fishing. We'll have fisher people there to show you how to to set the pole up and pack, bait, tackle. We even have somebody who volunteers who will who will clean the the fish for you, and then you can take it home so that you actually can, you know, catch dinner from mom and dad at the pond. And we before the event actually happens, we will stop the pond with usually, it's a combination of rainbow trout and cutpost, but we've also lately been able to put in the Lahontan cutthroat trout, which is the only native fish to Lake Tahoe, and now that's been brought back from extinction to actually it's being reintroduced to ponds and streams and lakes above Lake Tahoe, this is a rare opportunity to actually catch some in Sawmill Pond because we will stock them in that pond as well. So that is going to be on June 6 at Sawmill Pond, and it starts at 8AM in the morning, which if you leave at five or so, you might be able to make it.

Thank

you, Danny. That sounds like fun. Yeah.

Got some empty bedroom.

It's unbelievable. We have hot dogs and things for the kids, and the whole pond is just lined with kids everywhere. And we have these high mountain anglers that are going around showing everybody how to catch fish. And for the majority of the kids there, it's the very first time they've ever been fishing.

Yeah.

Pretty special event.

Yeah. That sounds great. Good. Thank you for sharing that with us. Staff comments and any announcements?

Yes, you got any comments?

No. Jamie, do you have anything?

Yeah, just a quick reminder that our grant applications for the Roop Pond Trail are still available for public review. If you go to our parks news page, we have instructions on how to access applications to provide comment. And also, quickly again, the May and Spike Month, we're figuring out the details, and so we'll soon be launching that, so just stay tuned. But that will be May 16. That's May 16.

I guess comments from me. We're still awaiting the response on our land and conservation grant for

4 Bay Park. Mhmm. Excuse me.

We're supposed to hear back by the end of the month, so gonna be good either way. You know, we'll know we'll know what our future holds for us, and just super excited for the community up there. I mean, those folks have been waiting for some park improvements at that location for a very long time, and I'm I'm very excited to to get moving on that project for them. And we got a lot of good things kind of right in our near future going on up there. So excited about that.

And then, yeah, I mean, Torin's a much more eloquent person than I am, but I completely agree with all the kind words he has for you. I mean, I was in a similar position when I started as the parts manager. You know? You you you're very gracious in kinda taking me in and giving me just enough to not spill over the amount of information, but just spill it right to the top. And then I kinda take it in, and then you fill it back up.

And I just really appreciate your approach to to how you run meetings and your general philosophy on parks. I mean, you are someone that spent a lifetime, a full career and then some in the parks profession. The fact that you share your expertise and experience with us Mhmm. Greatly appreciate it, man. And so I would be remiss if I didn't take the couple minutes at the end of our meeting to give you some kudos for the time you've taken to better for Parkinson's. I find receiving praise awkward, but I'll tell

you guys, we we make a solid team. Everybody brings something to this table that's useful. Good working with everyone being sad. It's used often. But, yeah, it's nice. But you're the rock that we're building on. Oh, stop.

Now we got all this good stuff going on, so don't go anywhere. Yeah. And that little meant too much.

It does matter. It does. Forget about it. K. Anything else? If not, I'll join this meeting at 04:35. Thank

you, Dan. Thank you.

Thanks, Danny. Thank you. Good meeting. Yeah.

Good seeing you, Danny.

May 2.

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