Planning and Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I'm gonna call the planning and zoning board meeting for Wednesday, 11/12/2025 to order. Can we have a roll call, please?

Mister Kennedy? Here. Mister Fisher?

Here.

Mister Hatcher?

Here.

Mister Mr. Andrew Kovich?

Here.

Mr. Duane?

Here.

Mr. McGinnis?

Here.

Mr. Alma Fentano?

Okay. Before we move on, I would ask that everybody please make sure that their phones are turned off or to vibrate. First item under the on the agenda is approval of minutes. There are none at this time. There is also no old business at this time. First item under new business is CU2502, request for a conditional use permit to allow outdoor storage within the B 3 Highway Commercial Zoning District to establish an ice vending machine for the property at 1317 South Ridgewood Avenue. Staff report, please.

Thank you, chairman. City staff sent out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property. The applicant is requesting to establish a vending ice machine on the property at 1317 South Ridgewood Avenue. Ice machines are considered outdoor storage as historically been done. And so this is a conditional use permit to allow for a ice vending machine under the use of outdoor storage within the B3 Highway Commercial Zoning District.

This is a survey of where that ice machine would be located. City staff did look at other adjacent sites that also have vending machines of that nature in relation to residential as well as compatible commercial development. The property is zoned Highway B3 Highway Commercial. And it is compatible with the adjacent use, which is a car wash. City staff are recommending approval for CU2502 for the use of an ice vending machine as outdoor storage.

Thank you. I will open the public hearing and ask if there are any comments or questions from the audience.

Can you please come up to the microphone, ma'am?

We need your name and your address, please.

My name is Alexandria, a l e x a n d r I a, Martin, m a r t I n. And my address is 109 Thomas Street, Edgewater, Florida. It's a corner lot on Thomas and on the 4th. I don't even know where to begin at this stage. I've had nothing but issues with code enforcement.

And I guess the gentleman sitting up here, The car wash is open twenty four hours a day, twenty four hours. The noise off that property, okay, ranges above the level that's legal. It goes over. We've had the police out there. The decimals of the hearing, okay, are sometimes above the 60 decimal, which is illegal.

Not only do I have a noise problem, I have health issues that are directly related to that car wash being open twenty four hours a day. I also would like to say that the owner of the property likes to actually put to show the police and code enforcement of what's been happening. And we've had all kinds of issues with that car wash. Actually, lights going all the way into our house, lighting up the whole house. Signs that have been left on my property have been posted onto the light fixtures, calling me an a hole, telling me to f myself.

It's the car wash. I've seen them do it. I've showed code enforcement, and I've showed the police officers. The only thing that letting that ice machine over there, okay, is going to hurt my health more, bring more traffic 24 a day. And I'm sure every one of you gentlemen all know.

You can go to Windexie. You can go to Circle K, which is open twenty four hours a day. There's all kinds of ice machines. We don't need to put another one. There's There's an act from the Environmental Protection Act of 1990, and I'm sure you're all aware with it.

But I have a right to use my property. I cannot sit outside. Today, as we're talking, I have no hearing. I'm constantly going to the doctors, not only for the blood pressure that I'm having, the people dumping garbage and everything else onto that property, my property. What I have actually from that car wash affects my hearing, causes stress.

I cannot sleep at all. My brother and I own the property. He does live there. He has medical issues. Okay?

Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. Pardon? Thank you for your comments. We allocate 3,000,000.

I'm not done. Like I said, I would like to talk to any of you gentlemen. Okay?

Ma'am, your three minutes are

going on over here? Because I'm tired of being put to the back burner calling up, okay, code enforcement and the police when this shouldn't be an issue. You're the planning board. I truly wish that you guys would plan things out a little bit better. That house was there before that car wash. And I understand that you're not responsible for that. But you can actually change this condition today and in the coming weeks.

Thank you.

You have any questions? Because I sure would like to show you gentlemen what I've been through. Emails, pictures

Ma'am, I've asked politely to sit down. Please sit down. I've asked you politely to sit down. Okay? You're not sitting down. You're still talking. Your time is up. Please sit down.

Are there any other comments, questions from the audience? Board comments or questions?

The conditional use sorry, forgot. The conditional use permit, is it limited to the ice machine?

Yes. So the use of outdoor storage is what is necessitating the conditional use permit. Now you can't put conditions on a conditional use permit.

Okay. That was my question. I wasn't sure if that was already part of the thing or

Any other questions?

I guess, Brian, my question would be, I know there are several other ICE machines in the city. Is there a need for another one is my question.

The applicant did not supply us with a needs based assessment of ice machines.

Couldn't say So there's no limit or ruling in the city's code that? Okay.

No, but it is a conditional use. So it is at the discretion of this board to grant those conditional uses or not.

Do we know what size at the end of the building that he's going to put in?

Yeah, because I saw it. I saw he's there we go. See, he's pointing at the end where the dog wash area is, right? So it's going to be the north end of the Correct. And then I'm assuming it's probably like the one that's at what's that gas station down there halfway to my house? Sonoco. Yeah. The Sonoco. So, you know, not super loud machine, but it's a big machine.

Well, he's also got all of his vending right there in the same spot.

Well, they'd make a pretty small machine too. Like, Uncle Chickens has a small one that's the size of a vending machine.

I'm just curious because like I said, he's got all of his soaps and all of his dispensers right there.

Other questions? This is a good question. Let's address the size issue. I know the width of the dog wash. Five feet? Yeah. Maybe five feet, something like that.

Yeah, the applicant didn't provide the size to staff. So if he's here, would ask him what

I've seen some ice machines. Obviously, the one by Sonoco is large. And then there's another one that was put up on the north end of this town next to the closed Shell gas station with the food trucks. That's another large one. And I've seen one in the public no, in the wind no, it's in the Wawa Center on 44 in the Northeast Corner, another big machine. So is this something that we can put a size limit on this particular machine?

Yeah. I mean, it's based on the it's the board's discretion to grant the use. And you can grant that use with certain conditions if that's based on the testimony and how the board feels, for sure, as long as they're reasonable. Is

the owner here? No. Because the other thing, thinking about size now, so people with ice machines have boats. So they're parked on the end of this thing, which now pretty much disrupts the entire turning radius of the north end of the building. That's going to create a traffic jam.

Yeah, it's true. Because that's where the vacuums are too. Right. It's vacuums. Right next to

We have to drive in between the vacuums.

Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

And then on top of that now, add in someone with a truck or a boat or something like that. Yeah. That's and then someone trying to pull around the buildings with another boat and a truck.

I would think that they probably thought of that before they came up with the idea of putting an ice machine in. I mean, if if you can't get your boat trailer in there, you're not you're already go to another car wash. Okay. Any other comments or questions? All right. I'm going close the public hearing and ask for a motion.

Can we table it and ask the applicant to provide us a size and give us some specs?

It would be nice if he was here. Yeah.

I mean, we need more information than I'm going to put in an ice machine. It could be a 30 foot wide ice machine.

Yeah. You can certainly cable the ice. Do I

need to

I'll make a motion to I'm sorry.

Either that or if there's no motion. So what happens if there's no motion? Is that worse than if we ask

That means it fails.

Should be some action taken. So I would say cable it if you want to.

Should be most

Yeah. I mean, should really either cable it because you need more information or render a decision based on the evidence that was provided to the staff report of the application.

I'll make a motion to table it so that we can get some more information from the applicant, such as the size of the machine he's proposing.

And I'll second it. I'll second it.

Mr. Duane?

Yes.

Mr. Adjakovic? Yes. Mr. Fisher?

Yes.

Mr. Hatcher?

Yes.

Mr. Kennedy?

Yes.

Mr. McGinnis?

Yes.

So the motion passes the items tabled to next.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is CPA two five zero one, request to amend the comprehensive plans, future land use element for two parcels located on the East Side Of Ridgewood Avenue, North of Pelican Drive, from commercial to medium density residential. Parcel IDs, 840244000011 and 840200000200. Can we have a staff report, please?

Yes. Thank you, chairman. Subsidy staff sent out public notice within 500 feet of the two parcels shown here in yellow with this aerial map. The applicant James Carter is requesting a future land use map amendment for these two parcels from commercial to medium density residential. City staff have found that this small scale comprehensive plan amendment is consistent with the comprehensive plan and is consistent with the adjacent land uses immediately surrounding the subject property.

City staff is recommending approval as the applicant is matching the existing future land use of Pelican Cove East.

I will open the public hearing and ask if there are any comments or questions from the audience. I'll just need your name and address for the record, please.

I'm Susan Grieser. I live at 20 Pelican Lane in Pelican Cove East. We're just curious, not, concerned. We just would like to know what it means by the single family residence. Is it gonna be houses? Is it gonna be apartments? Is it going be parking lots? What is the actual use?

So this request right now, we can kind of touch on it. This has the wrong map on it. I know. I just realized that. So the request before you, as you can see on the zoning

map Right.

Is that it would be changed to R4, which would match zoning classification, which is single family homes. Future land use changes from commercial to medium density, which is also matching what you guys have there. So R4 has its typical 75 by 115 lot size. It's the same regulations that you guys have.

So it would basically be a house? Okay. And so then it just driveway, because we were concerned if it was going to be apartment building or something multiple with parking lot and where water

would go. City staff did a code change change last year. Multifamily is

Yeah, we were.

Allowed by right within R5 now. And so no, this change or these two proposed changes would not allow for that.

So it's becoming a house building lot.

Any other questions?

That answered mine. My question was, was it going to be duplexes or single family?

Yeah. When city staff pulled multifamily out of everything to combat live local. It basically made all of the other zoning districts not have multifamily. And the city hasn't established a duplex lot that is smaller than your typical 75 by 115. So in this case, it would just be a single family home under the current regulation of the zoning code.

Any other questions? Just the only and I think I asked it before. The big old structure there that's on the property now, that's going to be demolished, any structures on property going to be demolished?

Yeah, it would have to be in order

to build that.

I just want to make sure. Okay, thank you.

The applicant had done a site plan for a commercial. And I guess decided that that's not feasible for him.

All right. Just want to double check.

Okay. Any other questions, comments? All right. I'm going close the public hearing and ask for a motion.

I make a motion to the staff I make a motion to approve the CPA 2,501 version one as written.

Mr. Duane? Yes. Mr. Angekovic? Yes. Mr. Fisher? Yes. Mr. Hatcher?

Yes.

Mr. Kennedy? Yes. Mr. McGinnis?

Yes.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is related to the last item. This is RZ2505, request for approval of a rezoning from B 3 Highway Commercial to R 4 single family residential for parcel IDs 840244000011 and 840200000200. Can we have a set report, please?

I'll try and do it by street address next time. Get to see these steps now. Public notice within 500 feet of the subject property. I apologize for screwing up the maps. Here we're back at the zoning map here. The request before you is to change the zoning from B3 Highway Commercial to R4 single family residential for the construction of the single family home. City staff is recommending approval. Have a motion to send a favorable recommendation for city council for RZ 2505. We'll be happy to answer any questions.

Okay. I will open the public hearing and ask if there are any comments or questions. Board comments or questions? All right. I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion.

Motion to send a favorable recommendation for RZ2505. Second.

Mr. Duane? Yes. Mr. Andrew Kovich?

Yes.

Mr. Fisher?

Yes.

Mr. Hatcher?

Yep.

Mr. Kennedy?

Yes.

Mr. McGinnis?

Yes.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is SD2401, request for preliminary plat and construction plan approval for Deering Park Center Active Adult Single Family Phase 1A located South Of Indian River Boulevard within Deering Park Center. Can we have a staff report?

Yes. Thank you, chairman. City staff sent out public notice within 500 feet of kind of the entire property. Is phase 1A is of the active adult community. It's composed of two seventy three active adults, single family homes, which is shown there in the red box.

This gives you a lot layout plan. So city staff required as part of the development agreement that no more than 50% of age restriction homes would be built on 40 foot lots. So as a requirement of this within the PUD, city staff required the developer to provide this lotting plan along with their breakdown of the single family lots within Dering Park Center single family phase 1A. The mixed use agreement so the Dering Park Center phase 1A provided for 40 foot wide by 120 foot deep for

some

of the units as well as right of ways. So the right of ways within so the applicant is providing a 60 foot right of way as the PUD does require a 50 foot right of way. So the city standards would require a four foot sidewalk and five feet of vegetative space. The proposed right of way is a five foot sidewalk and eight to nine feet of vegetative strip, so significantly larger. Trees and landscaping within the development.

City staff required an arborist report for all the historic trees and all trees within the site. Also you can see on here city staff required a tree planting schedule for the trees within the individual lots. Part of that landscaping plan was the preservation trees within the area. You can see right there the live oak of 59 inches is being preserved. Stormwater, the applicant has met the requirements of the one hundred year pre post twenty four hour storm event.

And this diagram shows how the storm water conveyance system flows. It all flows kind of south and east out under I-ninety 5. City staff also required as part of the PUD agreement the requirement for compensating storage within Deering Park Center. And this is an exhibit demonstrating that they have met the compliance of compensating storage of cup to cup. And with that, city staff is recommending approval for SD24.01.

Okay. I will open the public hearing and ask if there's any comments or questions. Applicant wants to say a few words.

Yes, please. So for the record, my name is Glenn Storch. And I get to start the presentation off by explaining what the standards, the legal standards are, and what the requirements of your ordinance are in reviewing a plat. So let's start with this. Whatever

we're starting with.

Or not. This is the

way your day's been going. I'll start. Okay.

So close. If you were using Google, happen. You've got to be using Microsoft. Okay.

All righty. So if it's all right with you guys, I only want to make one presentation. And since we have three Platts going tonight, and they basically have the same area, they're all Enduring Park Center, and they all have the same recommendation for approval, I'd like to just do the one presentation if that's Okay with everybody. So this is the plant in the active adult phase one area. That's the area that will actually be serviced by the new Williamson Boulevard segment that's being built.

I think that's pretty important. Active adult phase B, that will have another alternative way to get in. And then the townhouse phase. Next, please. So let's be clear. It's very simple. The legal standards for approving a plat and the the case law is just vociferous on this. It's basically you have to show three things. You have to show that you are consistent with the comp plan. You have to show that you're consistent with the zoning.

And you have to show you're consistent with the land development code. In this particular case, you have the staff report that's been provided to you that specifically says, we have met all three criteria. And we have in fact, the plat therefore meets the criteria. Next piece, please. So there's also another issue, of course, which is the state statute one seventy seven point zero one seven or 7.071.

So the problem there is that this is something we talked about last time recording extension of time. Once you have all those things met, you are not allowed to table this matter or even request an extension. You can't request the applicant to extend. The applicant can, on its own without being requested, can in fact continue. And in fact, I don't know if you noticed this, but on the hearing we had last time, we had a plat in during Park Center.

And I heard concerns. I didn't hear requests. I heard concerns as to the fact that there was a potential issue. They prefer to have this herd after the presentation on the stormwater study. And we now have confirmed the stormwater study is now going be on December 1 as a special meeting.

And so this plat hearing will be at that stormwater study. And we have confirmed that just to solve everyone's concerns. I think that says really the same thing we just talked about. So I think it's important to also look at exactly what your standards say. Your standards, plat standards for or plat review standards for the Planning and Zoning Board says, the Planning Board shall review the preliminary plat, the required exhibits, development plans, and the review comments to confirm in conformity with the conference plan and land development regulation.

And again, the only evidence presented so far, we're presenting the same evidence. We have met those criteria. It's been the staffs, the cities, indication we have met those criteria. Two, the denial of a preliminary plat is only permissible if referenced to specific articles which the preliminary plat does not comply. In other words, if you are going to vote to deny it, you have to show how we have not met one of the provisions of your comp plan and development code or zoning.

And in this case, of course, the zoning was the Dearing Park Center PUD. Next, please. So upon completion of its review and consideration of the public hearings of planning, the zoning board shall recommend one of the following actions at the public hearing. You can recommend approval. You can recommend conditional plat approval subject to necessary modifications which will be noted on the preliminary plat attached to it in writing and forwarded to the council.

That's the things that you could fix that you were recommended we could fix based on what the ordinances says or the denial of the preliminary plat but such denial shall be accompanied by reasons for such actions or reference to specific articles which the preliminary plat does not comply. That that was what I was trying to get at last time. I I think it's really important to understand that I I wasn't trying to bully anybody despite what somebody on social media said. I was trying to educate, and that's what my job is as a as an attorney at this point. Next.

So I've left out most of the statutes and case law that I had last time. But I left one for you because it was so clear. And it says it's elementary. Once a party complies with all the legal requirements for plotting, there is no discretion in government authority to refuse approval of that plot. In other words, if we've met all the all the requirements, if we met the land development code, we met the zoning and the comp plan, then you must approve this preliminary plat.

Next. So one of the things we did is, you know, we've been working very hard at this. We spent a ton of money to prepare for this day. And so in reliance on being able to plant and to sell the land upon compliance of all the legal requirements, during Park has proceeded with the following. We've placed approximately 4,000 acres in Edgewater in conservation easements.

Those are already in place based on the fact that we're moving forward with the development of Durring Park. We've designed and constructed the extension of Indian River Boulevard, the first segment Of Williamson and the traffic and drainage improvements for the 442 Interchange. All those things have literally cost millions of dollars at this point for us to get to this point. And all are either in design stages or under construction at this point. We've constructed approximately 400 acres of interconnected lakes and stormwater systems, because that was what was required as part of our stormwater permits and as part of our PUD.

Next, please. We've also designed and constructed the welcome center, which you'll see a picture of later on in the process of where that's going right now. We're in the process of designing, permitting and constructing the Edgewater wetland part to remove harmful nutrients that discharged presently into the Indian River Lagoon. This was not something that was required as a PUD. This is something we've done voluntarily.

We've worked with the city and with the state. We have grant money. The Dearing Park Stewardship District has entered into a contract with for the contractor for the purpose of building that wetland park that will then take literally potentially million or plus gallons a day of nutrient laden storm water that is presently I mean, not nutrient laden reclaimed water that presently goes into the lagoon and put this here. And that's a huge deal. And it's one of the things, by the way, I'm sure Ryan will tell you, one of the things that the state has been encouraging the city to do for quite some time.

So we found a way to make this work. We already got the funding from the state. We're donating the land. And we're working through the design process and entering the contracts. Next, please.

Want Ernie to come up and talk about conservation because I'm really very proud of this. Hi.

Good evening. Ernie Cox, part of the Deering Park team. With me is Sean Steffen. So together, we're responsible for the day to day activities on the property. Ryan, I think if you click in the there's a little thing that says single page. It'll up in the PDF corner over the side. Ah, there you go. And you just click to the next one. My my daughter had to had to teach me that. Go back.

Okay. So so quickly to go through this, and and this may be review for some of you, but the the premise of the project was conservation before development. And so within the city of Edgewater, there's 4,000 acres of conservation. Outside of the city of Edgewater, that connects to 42,000 acres of conservation. And pretty much if you look at that exhibit, the bright green represents conservation lands that are outside of our property.

And it could be state, federal, local. And then the dark green is the outline of that 46,000 acres that'll that'll never be developed. And it'll be continuing timber. It'll continue in some of it in cattle, continue with with hunting, and will also be managed. I think we all know, if you leave land alone in Florida, bad stuff will grow there.

And so Robbie Lee and his team spend a lot of time controlling exotic plants and animals, like Iodium and others. It connects to the conservation lands around us, and it complements the Volusia Forever program and the Florida Forever program. In fact, we're working closely with the county and the state to try to expand those conservation areas that are around it, and all of it's in the Florida Wildlife Corridor. Next. A lot of the That's not before you tonight.

The Deering Park Center PUD is South of 442. And then down at the bottom in yellow is what we call the Farmington Eastern Gateway increment. But for purposes of the project, it's all during park and being developed at the same time and in the same way. And then the dark green is just a blow up of what you saw earlier of those conservation lands. Next slide, please.

There's been a lot of discussion and will continue to be a lot of discussion about stormwater. And we have a project that you may be familiar with is Babcock Ranch over on the West Coast. I had had the pleasure of of working with Sid Kitson, the developer of that project, really from the beginning of how do you design a community in a way that holds more of its storm water after development than before. How do you integrate development with community, and how do you use native plants to use less water herbicide and insecticides. We've used those exact same principles with the creation of the stormwater system at Dearing Park.

And this shows the 400 acres that Glenn mentioned all connected to each other. And what that means is we can hold a lot more water on the site before water comes off the site. And we're also implementing low impact development techniques. This is just an exhibit showing one of the ponds, but the idea of having native grasses instead of just grass to the lake, using natural vegetation and then connecting that so that they'll look natural. When you visit the project in the future, know that all the lakes but two have been artificially created.

But we're hoping that they will they will look and feel natural and also have fish and wildlife connected to it. And what that does is helps to remove nutrients that might come off of somebody's yard, for example, and also from the roads. Just a different way. Let natural lands help us to clean the water before it goes somewhere. Next one, please.

The other thing about this stormwater system and each of the plots is that interconnected lakes, but we also in those lakes, the direction to the engineers was to provide 20% more storage in those lakes than was required. So okay, let's understand what's that one hundred year storm level need. Now let's go 20% higher. So I think, unfortunately, we're seeing greater rain events. We're seeing more rain in a shorter period of time.

And we've got to be able to hold that water on the property longer. And then we also, from a water quality perspective, we met in the design and implementation of the outstanding Florida waters criteria, which is another heightened standard, I think it's the right thing to do, but it's also an integral part of what we're trying to create at Dearing Park. Next slide, please. Significantly, the output of this is that after development, only 76% of the water that's coming off of the property before development will come off. And if there are detailed questions, we put some slides in at the end.

I'm not going to get into it, but we've got our engineers with us tonight if you have more detailed questions. But looking at water that's coming off the site today, reducing it by 24%. And also importantly, being able to reduce that during times of high water. So managing the system when it's low water, water can flow off the property without restriction. But in a high storm event, we're going to actually close the gates and hold the water on-site.

That also gives us an opportunity to improve water quality. It's both water quality and water quantity. Next slide. Not to get into great detail, but I'd mentioned we're using native landscaping. There's a really good manual out there called the New Yard Pattern Book created by a group called the Outside CoLab.

It's a collaboration between the University of Florida, University of Central Florida, The Nature Conservancy, Cherry Lake Nursery. And the purpose of the outside collab is to show people that you can use native landscaping in a community inside a yard, have an attractive landscape that actually attracts butterflies, attracts dragonflies, benefit of dragonflies is dragonflies eat mosquitoes, and actually have some life in the yard and still be attractive. This is going to take some education because a lot of people that come to Florida think they want green grass and two palm trees. We're gonna try our try our best, but we're gonna we're gonna implement the yard New York pattern book. Really excited about this.

Next next one, please. Canopy and understory trees using native trees. Trees that grow here without humans. Well, they already grow here. Let's use them in the right place, right time. In the first phases of development, including the plants that we have, we're going to be planting almost 7,000 trees, then plush shrubs. And we'll be using natives for all of that. And that's in addition to the conservation areas. Next slide. Now I'm going to turn it over to Sean, a little bit of design and then go through the plots with you. And we're here for any questions.

Sean Steffen, 3450 Old Dawson Ranch Road, Edgewater, Florida. We shared some of this with you last month, and a lot of this will be just updates on some of the progress we've made in the last month. So what you see in front of you is our entrance monument, which will be located at the end of the existing paved Indian River Boulevard. And that will be an intersection that will focus a lot of our entrance improvements to. And then this is a rendering that we shared with you last month as well, which is a rendering of our welcome center.

And we're coming up with a better name for that. This is actively under construction. And we'll share some of that progress with you in the next slide. So this facility is 7,500 square feet under air, additional outdoor seating area. It's total about 11,500 square feet in total. Under construction, trusses are on. We're working on interior framing, soon to be in rough trades. We expect this to be completed and CO ed by summer of next year. In addition to this, Ernie shared with you the Edgewater Wetland Park. We just provided the location for where that work is being conducted.

And we also shared some of these renderings with you before some of the wetland projects Ernie's worked on throughout the state. So as Glenn had mentioned, there's three agenda items for you tonight. We're going to just give you a brief summary of each of them in this presentation. So the first one that is the agenda item we're speaking about right now is active adult phase 1A. It's probably one of the nicest or is the nicest part of the community today.

All of this is surrounded by the permanent conservation easements that were presented to you earlier, Unbelievable lots, a variety of lot sizes from forty, fifty, and 60 foot. And then so these lots are amazing conservation lots or a lake view on each one of them. That first 1A does include the amenity site. The amenity site is just under eight acres and will be resort style amenities for that active adult program. Sorry, Ryan. Thanks. 1B will come I believe comes next on the agenda. This is an extension of the active adult community. And I just want to note one thing on this plan. Ryan talked a little bit about kind of the great lengths we went to preserve existing oak trees on the property.

In the site plan, you can see the little green dots throughout that site plan represents the either historic or specimen trees we've saved. The one is actually a roundabout, pretty significant, I think 59 inches caliber tree. We had to go back and redesign some of our roadways to incorporate that into the land plan. The drip line on that tree is approximately 60 feet in diameter. It's a pretty significant roundabout.

So that was important to us. Took a lot of planning to get that figured out and some lot adjustment, but just wanted to point that out to you. And then the third item for tonight will be the townhome phase, which comes right off Indian River Boulevard. Part of that will be just on the south side of our welcome center, two fifty eight homes, a mix of 20 foot front, a 20 foot rear alley loaded, and also 24 foot front loaded townhome lots. Significant landscaping interconnected to all of our multiuse trails, and once again preserved views.

And a lot of these, this section in particular, if you look at some of the aerial photos for our site, really wasn't any oak trees on this one. This was all in pasture. And we basically designed and built with minimal impact to the conservation areas. So all of this was basically laid within existing pastures. So as far as conclusion tonight, we're here to answer any questions. We have our engineering team with us tonight. We are asking for your approval based on staff recommendations, and we'll reserve any time left for questioning.

Thank you. I will open the public hearing and ask if anybody in the audience has any questions or comments. I have a comment. I had an opportunity a couple years ago to spend a couple days at Badcock Ranch, and that is an amazing community. So if Darien Park comes off anything even close to Badcock Ranch, it's gonna be a tremendous asset to the city of water. So thank you all for your hard work. I

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this one working? Yeah. Yeah. It's working. Booyah. So I understand about the flow into the turbo hammock. You're going to control that. Who's managing the flow into the hammock? Like, who has authority over the process? Who's who's who has the final say when that's done? How much is done? How that occurs? Can we start with that?

Absolutely. And actually, Ryan, one of the there's a slide on the back of that that might be helpful for this conversation. That's a great question. Don't know if we can get back to that. Go keep clicking. Okay, Stop. Stop there. That's probably the best one. So today, if if you go back to prior to I ninety five, the Turnbull Hammock was there and Cow Creek was there. You can kinda see it on the right.

Big picture is both Deering Park North and Deering Park Center. And then the blow up on the right is is the area of Deering Park Center that we're talking about. So you can see how Cow Creek comes into Turnbull Hammock on the right. And so prior to I 95 being built, if you look at all the quad maps and you look at the historical aerials, you'll see waterways that crossover from west to east. And then there's others that go west to west and some that go west north to south.

But this critical one going into Cow Creek existed prior to to man showing up here. Ryan, if you can go to the next one. Same same exhibit, but next slide. This is kind of the same area after I 95. And so what happened is I 95 acted as a dam.

And so DOT, when they built I 95, first, built that square pond that you see on the right as a borrow pit. But second, they channelized those different conveyances into culverts. And so we have two box culverts on our property, one at the north, north of that square lake, and one to the south of that square lake. And those box culverts are currently uncontrolled. Uncontrolled.

So it rains, water goes through the culvert. And that's what's what's there today. What we've done through the permitting process with St. John's River Water Management District is we're actually adding a control structure on the West Side. And so we've we've designed the system so that we're gonna be reducing those flows by 24%, which will actually reduce the stage as well through that box culvert during the one hundred year storm.

So who's managing that? Who's flipping the switch? Who's cranking it? Who's opening the gate?

The management entity will be the Deering Park Stewardship District, which is a special district governmental entity that was created by the Florida legislature. And in accordance with the St. Johns River Water Management District permit, that entity is responsible for the management of the storm water system in accordance with the permits. What's

I will also say, though, that in the past, they've given city staff the right to enter and to perform work if need be into the storm water system. So there is that protection.

Does that mean the city is gonna monitor the water levels?

The stewardship district would monitor the water levels, but the city does have the ability to go in there if we need to.

Turn it on, shut it off, do whatever has to be be done. Which Saint John's water permit number would that be?

I don't know the exact permit number, but it's

You don't know? I read the TSRs for three of them, but I haven't seen anything about any control structures with gates and

Yeah. If you

I've read. There's hundreds of documents out there.

Yeah. It's actually in the so the permit itself. So there's a for Deering Park Central, which is one we're talking about. There's a conceptual permit for the entire system. And then there's a a construction permit as part of it. And underneath that, it references that you have to build it in accordance with plans that have been submitted. And so in those construction plans, the control structure that I mentioned is included in the plan set.

Okay, thank you.

I just have a statement. I had the pleasure of seeing not visiting, but seeing the Babcock Ranch project on YouTube. It It was probably twenty five, thirty minute video. I think that information needs to get out to the public. I think the information that has that is contained in that project will answer so many questions and concerns for the residents of the city of Edgewater.

And I think it's invaluable that it get out into the public's eyes or ears to see what could be done when people attack something like that massive problem of storm water logically and the system worked.

If I may. Just an addition. So so we have to to give you a sense of the the engineering team on the project, Mark Doust and Matt Doust of Doust and Associates, long time Volusia County residents. Their office is in Daytona. They have been kind of the lead conceptual designer and original perimeter of the project.

Mhmm. We've brought in with us tonight are Chris Warshaw of English Thames and Miller, which has been the kind of implementer in conjunction with the Dow's team of the project. And then Kanan of Kimley Horn has done the Deering Park Center specific design, but relevant to the video that you watched. There was a about a 25 video. Wall Street Journal did an article.

An engineer by the name of Amy Wicks of Wicks Consulting, formerly of Kimberly Horn. But Amy is also part of our team. So if you if you have a chance to watch that video, wouldn't be part of today's decision, but certainly recommended to you. Amy's part of our team as well. And so I I we're trying to use the best and the brightest to help design.

Our main thing is, first, let's make sure our system works the way it's supposed to. But second, let's reduce our off-site impact because we certainly know that flooding is an issue. And then we're community community partners here. The the family has owned most of this land for over a hundred years, and they're they're not planning to go anywhere. So but I did want to just mention Amy's part Amy's part of our team too. Thank you.

Thank

you. I've I've got one question, which you'll probably know the answer to, maybe, maybe not. So three ninety five sheet flow went east to west?

Depending on where no. Went west to east. Pre 95.

Sorry. Pre I 95.

Pre I 95. Yeah. So before I 95 let me get that. I know it's out there. Go to the there you go. Actually, go to the bigger one if you could, Brian.

The reason I'm asking the question is, again, when you know, a of lot people I talk to, we get so focused on the piece of property that we're talking about. Yeah. Who's really paying attention to the other 100,000 acres around it? Yeah. So, you know, that's why I'm asking these questions.

No. And and one of the things we've we've actually if you look at the diagram of our properties that we're working with on the screen is is one of the reasons Amy's part of the team is Amy is not only a great engineer on a project, but she's also helping us look at the entire region. So we're actually going all the way up well North of 44. And then as not for tonight, but our folks own property all the way down to 5 A in Brevard County. And so we're also working with the state of Florida on a water quality improvement grant within Turnbull Hammock to test out.

Can we can we utilize some not technology, but utilize some control structures and some berms to actually hold water longer to let the plants use take up the phosphorus and nitrogen before it gets in. So so that's something we're working on. The other thing, again, not for tonight, but we're looking forward to the outcome of the stormwater master plan that the city has engaged. In my work around the state, I'm very familiar with Jones Edmunds, which is another engineering firm. They only do municipal work, government work.

But my understanding of their scope is that they're looking also beyond just the specific areas to figure out where where did the water used to go, where does it go now, and with what has already been built, how do you improve the system. So we'll be following that. But for our part, it's how do we reduce our off-site discharge.

Right. So I I mean, I know high points, low points. Right. So before '95 is built, we'll just say east to west, you're thinking?

Well, here's what here's what happened, and this is actually a pretty good drawing. If you look at the one on the left, before 1995 was built, the white areas were higher elevation. K. And so some of this water from the white areas went west into the yellow areas, into the west, and then down through the swamps, Crane Swamp into the St. Johns River on the on the west side to the left.

Some of this water went essentially downhill into Turnbull Hammock. K. Now if if you zoom back out further, I don't have this map in this presentation, what you would see is from the ridge where the railroad track was was placed, that would have been white. And so water from the railroad track ridge, some of it would have gone west into Turnbull Hammock, some of it would have gone east into the Mosquito Lagoon. Okay.

And so as I I probably should have done that for today, but it for our property, the real issue is water that will go west into Crane Swamp and water that will go into Turnbull Hammock. What what's interesting about Turnbull Hammock is that discharge from Turnbull Hammock is north to south into the Northern Indian River Lagoon. Actually, the main discharge goes under US 1

Mhmm.

Down by three a.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. And so part part of the thing is how do you get water from higher elevations to lower elevations?

Right. So now post 95 collection box.

Yep.

So now that water flows predominantly what direction underneath 95?

West to east.

So west to east. So it's traveling from your side back into Turnbull Hammock and finding its way down through. So kind of what Mr. Fisher's question or concern probably my same concern is, since we're looking at this from a global position of not just this piece of property, but also everything around it, effectively, you guys control the box. So you could shut your side off so that none of the water could flow back the other direction?

Yes. And and what I mentioned, I may not have explained it well.

Oh, it's a 20 foot drop?

Yeah. Have you ever looked at Calgary? I

live on it.

Sort of.

So so I probably didn't explain this well earlier, but but so the system designed to reduce the the discharge Mhmm. Reduce that stage. What we're also looking at is when it's discharged. So when water is low everywhere Right. And it rains, it really doesn't matter if the water comes under and goes south.

Right.

The challenge is when water's high, kinda like when we have the king tides. Mhmm. And so what we're what we're working through is, beyond what the permit requires, how do we hold more water when the water's high? So, basically, say, you know what? We're gonna fill up our lakes higher than they need to be during those times so that we can actually hold that gate and not discharge while everybody else is discharging.

Gotcha. That's where the 24% was.

Right? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay.

I was just trying to get it out there

for everybody.

And we're and we're again, as we as we get into this, and there'll be there'll be actual data that we'll be tracking, and we'll we'll make that publicly available.

Ryan, do you have the permit numbers?

On the top of my head, no.

No. I don't expect you would. No. But you do have them?

Yeah.

I You could email them? Yeah. That'd be great.

Actually, the permits themselves are part of the planning requirements. We have to show

Oh, I Yeah.

We've met all the permits in order to

I'm not saying you don't have one. I would just like to see it.

I understand.

Yeah. And I would say if if when you when you look at the permits, if you have questions, call us.

But that's like mister Andrew Kovic said. There you know, you can go to s Saint John's and and there's, I don't know, 168 documents under one permit. There's a 100 and something under another. Yeah. And they and they span twenty years. I get it. There's a lot going on there. But for an individual to try to take a look at it and figure it out and make an honest decision, a good decision. We don't all believe well, myself, for one, doesn't believe that St. John's, DP, whatever, have done us all that well over the past.

So to say, we meet these requirements, great. But can we just look at what those requirements are for ourselves? Yeah. And that's that's, I think, would be helpful for the community. To Bob's point, it it would make things go a little easier.

Yeah. No. Happy is is you look at them. Admittedly, there's a lot of very technical information

that you're can't comprehend.

Yeah. If you're looking at it, give us a call. We're happy to happy to talk through it. And whichever engineer I need to get involved to answer your questions, let me know.

Well, I appreciate that. But my and my hang up is, again, still, as it was last week, until until the city's engineer and the city has a chance to look at the stormwater report, I think everything needs to be conditional on that report coming back, that anything that happens from that point is cohesive with that stormwater report.

And what I what I what I can generally say on that, if it's was that last is that we've we've modeled this area in great detail, and and our direction to our folks is make sure we get it right. To the extent there's accurate engineering done, which I believe it will be with Jones Edmunds, we will be consistent with what comes out of that because the topography and flow of water and the structures, they're not gonna change whether my engineers do it or the city's engineers do it. And what we have agreed to do relative to the council was the council meeting is gonna be on December 1. The stormwater master plan presentation will be done before that consideration by the council. So thank you.

Good. Thank you.

But I I do need to mention, you again, we are going to work with you guys every bit that we can, as we've already done. But when you're looking at a plat, you can't provide additional conditions to the existing law. You can't legislate from the podium and say, by the way, you also have to meet this condition. The conditions you can meet or required to meet are your land development code as passed now. The comp plan as passed now and the zoning get passed now. You can't add conditions to that because, again, that's a problem. So just wanted to bring that up. But again, we're going to work with you.

I got it last time.

I'm gonna I'm gonna find ways to if we have to, we'll show you this this the the map that actually shows the the controls control structures.

Mister McGinnis, how's the I a for you. Last time when you made your presentation, the stormwater piping and stuff that you had on your plot, it said optional. Now this time you're bringing it back, especially reference like page c 200, it has proposed. I would like to see that instead of being optional or proposed. Yeah. I would like to see that put in there. It will be built.

Well

And not optional and proposed.

I'm not sure In the construction world, proposed typically. That's what's gonna happen.

Well, that

it's because I to propose a set of plans.

Yeah. Which is which is the provision that you're you're referencing?

Well, I'll just one off I'm in the stormwater grading and drainage, and that and it says proposed for where the piping and stuff is gonna be and where it's gonna, you know, flow into the lakes. And that was, you know, my question. The last time that the plan was presented, it said that it was optional. And I'm just trying to get the verbiage that so I understand that it will go in and what you show on here is what's going to be built and not suggested to be built. Yeah.

I think I can answer that. So so the plans is prior to the issuance of the permit, it's proposed. The pipes that are in the plan and permit will be constructed. And as it goes through the construction process with St. John's, they issue a conceptual approval for the whole thing.

And then we actually the contractor submits shop drawings to the engineer for approval. So if, let's say, it's a 48 inches pipe from Pond A to Pond B, they still have to before anybody builds a pipe, they got to do shop drawings to say, here, I've now size of the pipe. This is where it's going to connect into the lake. The shop drawings have to be submitted. Then we construct it.

Then we have to do an as built survey and submit that back to St. John's. So what I could tell you is if it's a proposed pipe in the plan, it's gonna be built, but it would be built pursuant to the shop drawings that get approved.

K. And I just have one last thing. On your ponds and lakes, and that you have a 25 foot minimum water and a 50 foot maximum in that on here, what happens when we get these deluge rains of, you know, 10 inches in four hours and you go above that 50 foot deep, where's that water gonna go, and who manages that? So

don't quote me on the elevations because the plans each each pond has its own elevation, and each pond has as a minimum and a maximum is we've we've worked into the system some overflows at the highest point that would then go off into the swamp. To the west, not the east. Is that right? My engineer, make sure I get it right.

Thank you.

Should point out that's One of the advantages that we have in dealing with the system that Babcock had. Babcock had a large area of conservation areas they could actually use as part of their system.

And one other real quick thing I saw. I did see something on social media, and I and I I try to I try to avoid it as much as possible. Me too. I I did see the guy the gentleman in in the land there posting about potable water being used to fill ponds or lakes so that they stay full. Nothing like that. Nothing crazy like that. Just for the record. Nothing crazy.

First of all, why would we do that?

I don't know. We got too much water, is it?

We'd have to pay Edgewater for that potable water.

So Just checking.

No. Absolutely not.

The water usage isn't the problem. It's the storm water.

Exactly. Exactly. The trick here, and it always has been, is how do you deal with the water? You have to in this case, the trick to storm water is you have to have a place for it to go. And so we've oversized everything to make sure it has a place to go. But also, we do have the conservation areas, just in case. But at the same time, we're going to manage how much that water comes. So for instance, if you see water I mean, a lot of water here and you see a storm coming, we're probably reducing that water in those lakes to provide additional capacity. That's the smart way to do it if you manage it correctly.

Any other questions?

What if it doesn't work?

All I can tell you is that this system on this one is better than any other system that you've ever seen in Volusia County. So that's the advantage. I mean, we have the most advanced system. And again, you saw all those standards we met. Many of those standards we were not required to meet, and we offered to do it voluntarily anyway. So this is going to be a model, I suspect. And hopefully, it'll be a model for the rest of Angular.

Any other public comments or questions?

Before you all vote

I need your name in I'm sorry. The

I'm Lana Fisher. You're right. 2100 Air Park Road, Edgewater. But before you vote, I don't get the whole voting aspect of it.

It's a recommendation.

Okay. We but you're told what you have to

vote. Well,

no. So that's the exact definition of a bully if you ask me. Someone that comes in and says, this is what you got to do. Now do it. You can't vote against me unless you have a law that I'm breaking.

But we're all individual actors so they all can make decisions.

Right. We all have our own brains, and we all have our own opinions. But before you vote, think about that. You know? Don't just do it because you're being told you have to. Just my opinion. Thank you.

Mary Forrester, 1937 Edgewater Canal Road. I'm going to read, I'm not placing blame, this what I hear tonight and what I got in some text messages from some other officials are very contradictory. And I'm not bashing you, Glenn, and you're wearing plain socks, and I've never seen that before. Okay. It says, I spent all day Friday with the neighborhood already flooding off Glencore Road.

They have five inches of water covering their streets and it's backing up. It's because New Smyrna approved development blocked the flow of water, which is illegal. The county engineer will go Monday to hopefully approve the plan we came up with. I called Glen Storch because the water is ultimately coming from Deering Park that New Smyrna Beach just approved. Glen came out and promised the people he would work with the city and county to make the development corrected.

He doesn't want Farmton blamed, but time is short for development already. It's flooded now because of all the rain. Glenn says when they install their supersonic storm water system, it will fix everybody's problems. Even Venetian Bay has flooding. Glenn argues because the natural flow through the canals in Glen Oaks I'm not sure where Glen Oaks is have been blocked by the development in New Smyrna on land they annexed from the county, which I understand this is New Smyrna Beach, but let's compare the development that was approved in New Smyrna to the development that's been approved in Edgewater.

You have Glenbrook. You have the two developments north of Glenbrook. You have the development on Voco Road, which is already flooding. And what else is going to be approved. Because it seems that since the repeal of or since the approval of SB 180, you guys are busier, and you're going to get busier.

And it is concerning for me, even though I live in the county, because I'm being affected by this, and I am going to be east. But keep in mind, they keep saying the water's gonna flow west, and this conversation that was had had the water flowing east because it was coming from Farmton into New Smyrna. And as I under if I remember correctly, it was the area around Home Depot, behind Home Depot, that was flooding. So what we're seeing and what we're hearing seems to be two different things, and I just wanna point that out.

Yes. So

first of all, we had someone who was concerned that possibly things were going on in Durham Park was, in fact, flooding some areas in New Smyrna. He brought in he told this to everybody. St. John's sent investigators down to look at that issue. This is literally miles and miles from Dering Park, as you can imagine. St. John's looked at it and said, no, we're closing our file on this. There's no basis for it whatsoever. But I met with that neighborhood because Jeff Brower asked me to meet with the neighborhood. I met with the neighborhood.

And I said, look, it's pretty obvious what's going on here. You have a small area here that has no outfall because someone blocked your outfall. And that's exactly correct. Someone blocked the outfall. We persuaded the county to literally pay for surveyors to show where that outfall was blocked and where the outfall could have been fixed because there was a easement or a drainage easement that was being blocked.

All of a sudden, now I'm doing something wrong after by the way, all that time I spent doing this, which was about $10,000 I did it for free. I did it out of the goodness of my heart, trying to help these people, because I was flooded at one point. I knew what they were dealing with. But for me to be accused of this, Mary, I don't know who's doing that, but I don't appreciate it. So there was nothing that was dealing with Park. It is an outfall issue. There was somebody that did there was a community that did block it. It can be fixed. The county actually has the right to fix it.

The other thing there have been a lot of posts online about when it was wet during the rainy season here about Deering Park, one of the requirements that I had put on them was to hold back that water. And so I made them over the summer basically milled in a swimming pool. So it wasn't that it was just play. I mean, they were dewatering the site on themselves. That was a requirement that I had done to them. So some of that is just not factually correct.

Which, by the way, St. John's was very impressed with. So there you go.

Any other questions?

Susan Greaser, again, of Pelican Lane in Edgewater. If the nature plants, the native plants, the trees, the lakes and everything are done as they say they will be doing, they are trying to build from what I can listen, I'm kind of neutral in this because I don't live near it. My house isn't flooding. They are building a new complex that is going to take care of the water the way it should be. When I'm finding the people in the community of Edgewater think part of the issue is we're building something new, but we haven't fixed the old that wasn't built the right way in the first place, that didn't have these natural lakes.

I know our Orlando Wetlands, another big one that uses this for their water treatment. And I think maybe my only other question here is I do know Orlando Wetlands. They have cells that they're going to demuck. So these ponds will have to be demucked. I do see in my neighborhood, we have a pond and a small canal that is full of muck. We can't afford to get it out. It doesn't carry more water out in some of these other places. I think we're lucky. Our street floods in Pelican Cove East, but our houses don't because it can go into the river. We have a drainage point for it.

But again, comment made that we're not sharing enough information about the things that they're trying to do and I understand if your house floods, it's a major thing. But to say that somebody can't do something if they're trying to do it right, new, shouldn't happen because we haven't had it right the first time. And it wasn't that it wasn't right. It was the way things were done, the way things have been done in the past. So if just listening to them and not having my effect, it sounds like they are doing the right steps.

As long as it is done properly and it is drained properly, the lake system and the wetland system is the way to go naturally. I work with Audubon. I've gone to Orlando Wetlands. I've gone to all of these other places. And they do this is the way to filter water naturally. And that's part of our biggest problem. We've built on swamp lands that were supposed to take the flooding.

Thank you very much. The one of the advantages we have, because one of the problems of stormwater systems is lack of maintenance. The problem has been lack of maintenance. We have a taxing district specifically dedicated to maintain this in perpetuity. We pay taxes to ourselves on

this. Thank

you. Any other questions or comments?

Judy Bordeaux, 2916 Oak Trail, Edgewater, Florida. Most of this stuff is pretty much over my head, so I can't really comment too deeply on the details. But two things that I hear a lot that stick in my mind that are kind of humorous we're going to hold the water on our land. I've heard that from three developers now, and I've not seen it happen on two developments. I don't know about this one yet. So that's one comment that I hear a lot. And the second one tonight was said some sort of overspilled water is going to go into the swamp. I just wonder how good that is for the swamps. Thank you.

Any other comments, questions?

The only thing I'll say I mean, I've been on this board sorry, I forgot. I mean, I've been on this board a while. We've seen a lot of subdivisions come through. I got to say to your engineering firm, we've never had a presentation like this, ever. I mean, we've never had someone I'll quote Kevin Costner from Yellowstone.

You're figuring out how to live on the land, not off of it. So you're developing, but you're doing it working with Natural Florida. And I was taken back last month when you guys came up here with all of this because it's the first time I've ever heard the lengths you've gone through to try to address this problem. So and and for me, you know, trying to make the the subdivision look mature from day one, you know, things like that. I mean, we've we've never heard that. You know? It's usually just we're gonna come in clear cut, build some houses, put some magnolia trees back that didn't exist there before, and some shrubs, and walk away. I applaud you guys for the level you've put into this.

I'd like to think it's a smart way to do it from a marketing standpoint too. I mean, what we'll have when we're done is a product that will be special. It's a product that will have trees and everything else that everyone is looking for at that point. It'll have storm water protection far in excess of other people who have storm water protection. These are the sort of things that we will be able to market. So even though it's costing us a lot more money, the idea is eventually we'll get it back because it'll be a better community.

Starting from 600,000.

Any other comments, questions? All right. I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion.

I make a motion to send a favorable recommendation to city council for SD 2401.

Mister Dwayne?

Yes.

Mister Andrew Kovacs?

Yes.

Mr. Fisher? No. Mr. Hatcher?

Yes.

Mr. Kennedy? Yes. Mr. McGinnis?

No.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is SD 2,402, request for preliminary plat and construction plan approval for Deering Park Center adaptive adult single family phase 1B located South Of Indian River Boulevard within Deering Park Center. I will we already heard the staff report, right? Do you need another one?

No, unless you want to know when it was submitted and how many reviews. But it's also in the staff report. The board would like me to do

Staff report?

Don't need it unless you want to do it for the people out there. Don't It's

the same thing you spend an hour talking about.

Right. We've gone through it.

So I'll open the public hearing and ask if there's any comments, questions, concerns, board comments, questions or concerns?

I have one, and I actually meant to ask it on the last one, but then I just saw my note on this one. Last month you kept talking because in the PUD it says a two inches caliber tree. But you kept saying that that probably wasn't it was going to be a three inches caliber tree because two inches was too dinky. Can we write that in the PUD? Can we

No. The PUD is set, so the PUD has the language as it obviously One set, it's fine.

Just to confirm, I mean, I guess my word is as good as what I show you. I always tell my I coached middle school football for twelve years. And I used to tell my players, show me, don't tell me. So we you know, in our ARC guidelines for Daring Park throughout the community, we have a three inch caliper requirement on our trees. So each lot per PUD is four trees per lot. And we've just upped that to three inches.

Any other questions? All right. I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion on SD2402.

Make a motion to send a favorable recommendation to city council for SD 2402.

Second.

Mr. Dwayne?

Yes.

Mr. Andrew Kovacs?

Yes.

Mr. Fisher? No. Mr. Hatcher?

Yep.

Mr. Kennedy? Yes. Mr. McGinnis?

No.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is SD2403, request for preliminary plat and construction plan approval for Deering Park Center Townhomes Phase 1, located South Of Indian River Boulevard within Deering Park Center. Again, do we need a staff report for this?

Unless the board has any questions or concerns or comments.

Okay. I will open the public hearing and ask if there's comments or questions. Board comments or questions?

This is the townhouse portion, right?

Yeah. All

right. I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion.

Anybody? Make

a motion to send a favorable recommendation to the city council for SD 2,403 version one.

Second. Okay, fine. Tom can have it.

That voice on the site.

Mr. Duane?

Yes.

Mr. Andrzekovic? Yes. Mr. Fisher? No. Mr. Hatcher?

Yep.

Mr. Kennedy? Yes. Mr. McGinnis? No.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is development services directors report.

Thank you. So we have a lot going on. Next month is a very big month here at the city. We have the storm water master plan. And we'll have Deering Park coming out before council as well.

We have several other projects exciting to award the bid for the G2G11 project. I had gone out the bid, so we're going to award the contract. And so that's gonna get started on group a, those improvements for the G 2 and G 11 Canal. And then there'll be a second phase group b. And that's a six that's that 16,000,000 million dollars grant that we have to improve the G2 and G11 in those canals.

They're kind of bound by US1 and the railroad. So G2 basically runs South Palmetto, that area, all the way through the cemetery down to Hawks Park, yeah, YMCA. And so part of that $16,000,000 is to build resilience there and help alleviate flooding. And so it's very exciting that we're moving forward with that. And several entitlements will be coming forward here over the next few months.

And city staff are still looking for an economic development manager. So if you know anyone, I've interviewed several people and have offered two people the job and declined both times. So if anyone knows of anyone

What are the requirements? Show what? Building contractor work?

That's what we're still looking at. Matt is really settling in. Matt is our new stormwater engineer. He's under underneath my department right now, but we're working very closely with the stormwater department. He's also helping me with a lot of our capital projects in just kind of citywide. So we are working on G 2 G 11 Canal, that grant. We're working on an Air Park Road sidewalk from, Silver Palm from 30th all the way up to 442 in a wide sidewalk. And then we're also doing a fair number of small drainage projects throughout the city using his expertise. So I'm really happy to have him here. He's been a wealth of knowledge.

And I think he's going to be incredibly valuable to the city moving forward. And that is all I have. Okay.

I just have a quick question. Excuse me George, I'm sorry. Who controls the Gabordi Canal and does it affect the city of Edgewater at any point in time?

Yes, so part of the G2 kind of G11 discharges into the Gaborda Canal. Now maintenance over the canal, it's mostly county on the western portion. That eastern portion, I believe, is Newport Beach, the outfall section.

Because it's desperately in need of clean out and something. Trust me. It's sad. But I just want to make sure, is it affecting the city of Edgewater? Do we tie into that at all on system?

Based on the study, I didn't see it really affecting

I

mean, I think the study really showed that there was flooding. I don't know if it examined whether or cleaning I think the flooding is so severe in that area because most of it is in the one hundred year flood plain that cleaning of the canal is kind of minor to what the $16,000,000 of building ponds, building pump stations, that really doesn't make an impact.

I'm just curious. Thank you. Appreciate it. Any other questions? Meeting is adjourned.