City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, it is Tuesday, September 1st, 2026. It is 7 p.m. We'll call the city council regular meeting to order. Would everyone please rise for the invocation given by Councilman Curley, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our gracious Heavenly Father, once again, we come to you tonight. We ask you to not only be with this council and mayor, but with the citizens of this beautiful community. Lord, there's always things that we need to discuss and decide. But let that decision be made for the citizens and not our decisions. We pray especially for the United States today. God, be with us. We ask all these things in your son's name, Jesus, the living Christ. Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Councilman Baker did inform us that he wouldn't be able to make it today. Please call the roll.

Councilmember Curley? Here. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Here.

Councilmember Shadlick? Here. And Councilmember Scott? Here.

All right. We'll go right into presentation. Stephen Screenway? Here.

there we go all right good evening mayor and members of council thank you all know me by now but for those in the audience that don't my name is ian mccain and i serve as the economic development manager for the city of east point and i'm excited to present you all this evening our stevens road greenway project this has been a labor of love a number of months so very excited to show you the hard work that we've been doing and some recommendations that the Steering committee has put together over that time. So let's go ahead and dive in a little bit of project history this in particular project was supported by a grant through Simcox planning assistance program that was applied for through the city of Warren in partnership with the cities of East Point and St. Clair Shores and Centerline we were awarded that grant as these typically work there's the 85-15 mix so we did commit to a funding match having the largest stretch on the corridor we did have the largest contribution so yeah definitely a very active and engaged partner in this project so next we'll walk through the engagement framework and the planning process as well as talk about the proposed concept specifically on the East Point segments. So as I mentioned earlier, all four cities were working very closely in partnership together from the start of the project all the way up to today. We are actually the first one that's presenting it to our council. So St. Clair Shore, Centerline, and Warren will be presenting it to theirs. soon this is really a regionally relevant project as it's the first time that we're really talking about a greenway in East Point and then more broadly Southern Macomb County and this is really think of it as like a phase one or as we call it a feasibility study so It's going to require additional planning, engineering, and investment or funding to bring the project to life. So during the public engagement, this included seven steering committee meetings, three stakeholder meetings, two community engagement events, and an online survey that received over 642 responses, and then also a corridor field review. So this is just a picture from one of the engagement events. Some of the project goals were to improve connectivity, enhance safety, expand recreation, promote environmental sustainability, strengthen community identity, and provide an implementation framework. So in particular, this builds upon past plans, including our regional labor war and their mobility plan. And then for East Point and ties into our joint parks and recreation master plan in partnership with rare and the city of Roseville, as well as goals set forth in our DDA development and TIF plan. Our current master plan, as well as some of the plans that our current partners at TPMA are putting together for our future master plan and economic development strategy, and then more broadly goals held through the county and the Southeast Michigan Council of Governments. And another cool thing about this project is it does connect East Point to the Iron Belt Greenway, which if you're unfamiliar with, the river stretches from belle isle in detroit all the way up to ironwood michigan in the upper peninsula as well as gets us closer to lake st. Clair over into our new brin community of st. Clair shores. Again I want to stress the partnership the strong partnership that was evident throughout this project we had active attendance from all communities different stakeholders whether you' re talking about cycling elected officials, different communities. So this isn't just strictly a recreation, it's also an economic development tool as well as an opportunity for healthy living and mobility to different workplaces and can also drive up property values. And just a reminder that cars don't shop at businesses, people do. So in terms of the community survey East Point had a very equitable representation of the total number of folks that were that actually participated in that and as you can see this is a summary of all four cities but it very much in terms of the very supportive piece kind of ran between that 45 to 55 percent in the very supportive category and that includes here in East Point so you can see Generally, folks are very supportive or somewhat supportive, and then we have some neutral, and as you have with any project, some that were opposed. So this is the corridor vision. I'm not going to read it all out, but I just want to name some of the important things like shared use paths, crossings, landscaping, placemaking features and community destinations, as well as opportunities to create a safe, attractive and accessible community asset to strengthen those connections between neighborhoods, parks, schools, businesses and civic destinations. And that's through walking, cycling, recreation and other forms of active transportation. The project is broken up into eight segments and will look specifically like I said at the East Point segments today. So this is the proposed corridor length and in the blue area you can see the East Point segments that we are going to look at today. Starting with segment five. Just give me one second. segment five in particular runs from Eleanor Avenue or on the East Point side I know it's not on the screen but they're at the western edge of the border at Beachwood Avenue all the way over to Gratiot Avenue so there's a number of different amenities in this section of the corridor that can be connected to the Greenway including Bellevue Elementary East Point High School the Michigan Military Technical and Historical Society as well as nearby commercial areas like downtown East Point. Next, we will move on to segment six, which is Gratiot to Schroeder Avenue. In particular, you have some more amenities along that stretch that connect in, including Kennedy Memorial Park, where we just opened our brand new splash pad last Thursday. So this would be a great addition to get folks to that particular amenity, as well as our incredible East Point Learning Center. This particular segment due to the concentration of destinations would really support a variety of different uses including students going to and from school, families, recreation users and residents traveling nearby businesses and commercial facilities. Jumping over to segment seven, we have between Schroeder and Johnston Avenue. This is the strongest recreation-oriented segment. So in particular, you have, again, Memorial Park, Spindler Park, as well as Forest Park Elementary, East Point Middle School, St. Thomas Church, Roxanna Park, and Shamrock Park. the greenway. This could potentially be one of the most active portions of the greenway and in addition to creating those neighborhood to neighborhood connections also support outdoor recreation and community wellness. Last but certainly not least we in St. Clair Shores and gets us close to Lake St. Clair. There at this particular terminus, we again have Spindler Park, the St. Clair Shores Civic Arena and Senior Activity Center, as well as connections to Southlake and Lakeview schools. And again, it gets us close to downtown St. Clair Shores, the Nautical Mile and beautiful Lake St. Clair. So this really serves as a destination and a trailhead for regional connections. And yeah, it's just a natural endpoint for this particular portion of the Greenway. So this is the concluding paragraph, but in particular, I wanna emphasize the last portion, which is by advancing the recommendations identified in this study, the participating communities can create a regional asset that enhances quality of life, supports active transportation, strengthens connection between neighborhoods and destination, and contributes to the long-term vitality of Southern Macomb County. I want to thank you all for sitting through the presentation. Again, this was very much a labor of love, and I want to give a special thanks to our partners at AEW, as well as the cities of Centerline, Warren, and St. Clair Shores. And those of you that know me know I love a good quote, so of course I'll end from the great urbanist Jane Jacobs and her seminal work, The Death and Life of Great American Cities, and that's, Cities have the capability of providing something for everybody. At the end, in terms of the implementation, there are three key things, and that's funding, partnerships, and stewardship. So each of the cities did agree in all the conversations that we have. None of us have the funding alone in our general budgets to fund this. we are going to need grant funding there' s transportation assistance plan dollars from the michigan department of transportation the ralph c wilson junior foundation is funding a lot of projects and their spend down foundation so I think they would be really excited by this. In summary, I guess what's important to keep in mind, Councilman Curley, is this is just phase one, so there's still going to be many more opportunities for the council and the community to engage and let their voice heard and approve what we hope to accomplish in the project in the future.

So I take it that you have not made a decision about taking away one side of parking on the street?

No decisions have been made about parking or any other you know any other particular changes to the corridor these are just simply recommendations at this point what council and administration decides to do from here will require like I said additional engagement and approval okay good thank you thank you any other questions I had one kind of specific question sure so just I noticed the Gratiot and Stevens

possible like Park area identified was that was there actual discussion there was that just identifying kind of unused parcel along there.

Yeah, so that was that was kind of the more in the dream like it's a big and parcel. It's a former gas station there's probably probably some contamination there so we figured a good use for that particular site if the city or the coalition were interested would be to create some sort of Potential trailheader stop there may be like a bicycle repair station some benches So that's another key element of this is placemaking creating spots for folks to stop along the way so nothing definitive on that just just one of the ideas or recommendations Of course just because I thought right across the street across crash

No, no, no. Well, there are probably people watching at home from St. Veronica, and this is for them. You know, if you lived in the city long enough, you were at St. Veronica, whether it was for a wedding or a funeral, and how beautiful, beautiful it is and has been since 1926, actually. City of East Point Proclamation recognizing the contributions of St. Veronica Parish. Whereas St. Veronica Parish was established in 1926 in a village of Halfway and the first mass was celebrated at St. Veronica on October 31st, 1926. And whereas throughout its century of service, St. Veronica Parish has contributed to the strength and vitality of East Point by supporting families, serving those in need, and fostering a spirit of compassion, community, and civic responsibility. And whereas the church has met vast improvements to the building and grounds, including updates to the altar, rosary hall, and chapel. And whereas St. Veronica School served community students from 1949 to 2004, and young scholars continue to serve on University Avenue, And whereas the city of East Point recognizes the positive and lasting impact St. Veronica Parish and its parishioners have made in our community and appreciates their continued commitment to making East Point a welcoming and caring place to live, work and raise their family. And whereas throughout 2026, the St. Veronica Parish is celebrating 100 years of continuous ministry and East Point community with a centennial anniversary mass and reception to be held September 27th, 2026. Now, therefore the City Council of the City of East Point recognizes and celebrates the remarkable contribution and dedication service that St. Veronica Parish has bestowed upon East Point community. Proclamation this day of September 1st, 2026. Amen. Thank you very much.

And Mr. Mattis, I think you can get that signed by everybody and get that over to them, thanks. All right, well, with that, we'll open the first hearing of the public. First hearing of the public is open. Would anyone wish to be heard?

Mr. Mayor, I'm gonna put the screens up real quick while you do that.

Yeah, you can step up, it just takes a second. Hold on one moment so we can hear you. Go ahead, thank you.

push that gray button on the bottom there now I'm green all right you can start all over we won't count that all right I just I'm David Deroni of Deroni Hardware 9 Mile I'd like to provide some information regarding the parking in front of our family business on 9 Mile I've been speaking Ryan Kern and I had another question for him and he got back to me yesterday But the parking in front of our business again it's parking that's been used safely by our customers without incident or accident for 36 years. And previously morally candy occupied that building and their customers utilize that same parking configuration for more than a decade. I've spoke with Brian Chamos, the MDOT engineer that's familiar with the Nine Mile Road project. He informed me that changing or eliminating our parking was not required by MDOT and was not any sort of prerequisite for in order for the funding to be a flow through to the city for the project. I asked if he could provide me with something in writing stating that and he said he could not because in his position he's not able to advocate for individual businesses. I do have his phone number and if you want to contact him directly if you have any questions speaking with Ryan Kern of AEW he also informed me that the proposed elimination of our parking was not a requirement of mdot and that the change was based on the design that the Planning Commission had put together as a recommendation to which you know many changes to the nine mile road plan have been made the parking spaces are currently at 18 feet. I would restrict the area to make them 23 feet to meet the city current code. I would like to share information with rob so hopefully when he' s available at the future meeting I can share information with him as well.

Thank you, anyone else wish to be heard?

My name's Pintowski, and I'm an East Point resident of 50 years, and I'm here concerning the cutout in front of Duroni Hardware as a customer of the hardware store and as a citizen of East Point. There's nothing wrong with the cement work or the affordability of parking by Mr. Duroni's hardware store. He did not ask for the cutout, nor does he need it, so this kind of borders like on harassment. now the work involved for that cut out it requires manpower and heavy-duty equipment all which costs money you have to get men and equipment to bust the concrete out and to load it on a semi trailer then they have to take it to a concrete yard and pay a fee to dump the concrete you can't dump that concrete there for nothing. Then you have to require a large amount of sand and gravel for a base for the cement work that you're going to do for that cutout. But before they put that base there for the cement, they have to have a crew come in and put forms for curbing. Then when you pour the curb separately, you have to wait about five or six days for it to cure. Then you can pour the concrete for the cutout. and all that work is unnecessary time and money and for what there's absolutely no need for the fantasy of a cutout and if this is the whim of the council or whoever I doubt if anybody would risk their life and limb using this experimental cutout. This proposal is a good example of bureaucrats recklessly spending tax dollars. Now, if the money you received from the government for the nine-mile upgrade is burning a hole in anyone's pocket, I suggest you fix that sinkhole that's in front of my house on Haas Avenue just west of Gratiot. another need for the the school that's at the corner of Bell and Flax is that they build a beautiful playground for the neighborhood kids and they'll probably be using that playground year-round and I believe speed bumps should be added around that school just for the sake of the safety the children and Area, so thank you.

Thank you very much Anyone else wish to be heard

Good evening, Council. Mary Hall Rayford, East Point resident. Sunday is September 6th, which was designated First Amendment Day because some of us, four of us particularly, had our rights violated by the former mayor. And part of that settlement agreement was supposed to be an annual acknowledgement of that. I've yet to see it posted on the agenda or anywhere else. And if we're going to acknowledge it, if we're going to deal with it, it needs to be posted so that people know. Now I'm a strong proponent of first amendment rights. I'm a strong proponent of being civil and cordial and using those rights as well. So I think we need to understand that when that first amendment says to address the government regarding grievances, not just anybody. And so that's where I have an issue that we are not Here hopefully to just gripe about everything everyone says and I think we can do this civilly I think we can do it cordially and still maintain the dignity that's supposed to represent what the First Amendment means and So I encourage everyone, I'm here to remind people really, that Sunday is September 6th, First Amendment Day in East Point, and that we honor it as such. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to be here?

Good evening, Mayor and Council. excuse me my name is Sherita Henderson and I am a resident and homeowner of East Point who has been trying to curtail the rodent problem in the city I have been reaching out to the building city manager's office for the last two years making complaints about a particular neighbor has a lot of brush around her property I've sat on my porch and watched rats just play in the back under bushes and possums and you name it and I've been not satisfied with the results mayor I did talk to you about this at one point I was told that there was a court hearing for the neighbor and I that they asked her to move a car. Well, she did make a lot of progress in cleaning up her yard. However, that area that's a specific concern that is housing the rats is still filled with brush, has not been cleaned up. And I would just like to get some resolve in that.

Thank you. Can you leave your information over there? Oh, you haven't. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard?

Good evening, Mayor, Council. I'd just like to note that Mr. McCain has no experience for the role he's playing in the Stevens Road project. He's not a Builder he's never built anything. I've seen his resume on Facebook What I think is real claim to fame is is he's a friend of the mayor And what we got in that presentation was just a bunch of Democratic talking points about the environment and an eight-year project What's going to be the tax tax? burden for that. I mean, that's not going to come free. I don't care if you get a grant or you don't get a grant. In the parking lot, the brand new electric chargers for cars, I've all got caution tape on them. Are they out of service already? So I don't know what's going on there. The last meeting, speaking about parking, was a hoax. It was just a general hoax. This guy from AEW, he walks out of here. Nobody gave him any, he never answered any questions. I had a lady sitting in front of me who didn't really understand the protocol at this meeting and tried to ask questions and she couldn't. And she walked out like two thirds of the week meeting later. And I didn't hear anybody from the council address anything. And this guy from AEW, he just disappears. So you're right to ask about parking, Mr. Curley, because I don't know, we're still going around about Mr. Duroni here. Eight years, eight stages of this project, is that like eight years of construction? Is that what you're saying? I don't know what you're saying. It's bizarre. That meeting was a hoax. And I'll leave it at that for now. But I have no confidence in this council that it can include any citizen complaints into these plans. You're all on your own timetable, your own schedule. Whatever. You're not even interested in what people have to say here. And I will ask the chief.

You have about 20 seconds. Go ahead.

Yeah. I don't know why these community watch notices, meetings are being canceled. They shouldn't be being canceled. And that's another thing about Stevens. More police. You're going to need more police if you're going to have people riding around on bikes around here.

Thank you.

Anyone else wish to be here?

Hi, my name is Angela Roman and I live on Hayes in East Point for the last 13 years. My concern is about the architectural site plan for the Oakwood Manor Phase 2. It proposes that it's adding screening to the existing chain link fence bordering the properties But one the portions of the fence are so fully covered with vegetation That it's growing along the utility lines and even towards people's houses My neighbor's utility line is only a few feet above her backyard and I had to get on the roof of my garage to clear the vines off of the utility lines because it was resting on my roof and I didn't want to damage and And two, portions of the existing chain link fence are damaged. When Grafton Townhomes was built, they installed a wall around the property. And they didn't do a good job, or maybe it just wasn't properly inspected because A, it isn't touching the ground and the garbage blows from their property into my backyard. And B, they cut the existing chain link fence that was there and left it rolled up three feet away from the wall behind my property. So to me, it's obvious that the screening cannot be added to the chain link fence since it isn't a fully functional fence. And I hope that the vegetation along the border is addressed before the construction starts and makes the area more difficult to access. And since I can't trespass on the property to clear the vegetation behind my privacy fence, I can only clip the vines that are growing over it. The biggest question I have is why don't they install a wall along the border and properties of Oakwood Manor Phase two it would help prevent the vegetation overgrowth on the utility lines and I have emailed most of you in this room on the council and a couple other people including MHT housing the Macomb County planning and economic development and I would appreciate some thought on the points I just brought up and look forward to some response and corrective action. Thank you.

Thank you Anyone else wish to be here?

Jennifer Nicholas, East Point resident. Um, I was hoping that, uh, Mr. Duroni's parking problem would have been on the agenda tonight. I thought that, um, there was a request to put it on the agenda tonight. I don't know if there was some miscommunication, um, but you know, here he is, this is the third meeting in the row in a row that he's come. And I don't think what he's asking is unreasonable. Um, the city of East point had granted the use of rights of way on almond Courtland and nine mile to Morley's candy in the early 1980s. when the Droney family wanted to bring their hardware store into the city and purchase the soon to be vacant Morley building city council at that time approved a motion to give these same right of way uses for parking to Droney hardware. That was June 26th, 1990 meeting. for the past 36 years and presumably for 10 years before that, there's no evidence that this parking has been unsafe or problematic. I'd like to know if because city council in 1990 approved this motion, allow the Daroni family to continue the parking configuration on these rights-of-way is city administration allowed to rescind that agreement without City Council approval or is this an issue that needed to be brought before City Council for their decision way before plans were put in place or design was put in place. To be clear, city administration is not saying that MDOT is requiring that this parking be removed and be replaced with on street parallel parking. Throughout all phases of nine mile, AEW and city administration have been clear that MDOT's requirements pertain to the road itself. MDOT will allow the city to use funding for changes to parking lots or for landscaping, lighting, et cetera, but this funding is not tied to those changes. I am also curious how much money it's going to cost to make these parking changes as opposed to leaving it just as it is. The concrete is in good shape. In fact, a couple pieces of it were just replaced a couple, three years ago when there was utility work done. So the idea of tearing all that up to put on street parking, which in my opinion is much less safe on Nine Mile Road, is pointless and an expense that I don't think that we should burden, even if it's only 15% of it. 30 seconds. Um, again, I would like some clarity on this. And again, I do think that this is something that city council should be deciding as they have in the past over and over again with the rights of ways for this property, both with morally and with the Deroney family. Thank you.

Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else?

want to say maybe about 15 minutes ago I sent all of you an email other than the city and assistant city manager a video of a rabbit experiencing heat distress and really appreciate it if you all checked your phones right now played that video it's all of seven seconds you need to see it yourself This is an example why the rabbit ordinance doesn' t work. While the temperatures were within that range on Sunday August 16 there was also high humidity and dew point levels that were in the high 60' s and low 70' s. This poor rabbit had no shelter at all. again y'all need to look at that video and you need to amend the ordinance domestic rabbits do not belong outside at any time for any reason now the culprit behind this This did not happen in east point this is yet another reason why there needs to be a ban on petting zoos. For those of you who follow the news closely you will remember the name of the slime bag the Wayne County prosecutor's office had felony animal cruelty charges against him back in 2019-2020 the Romulus animal control well I don't remember if it was Romulus animal control, but it happened in a storage facility. I believe it was a strip mall in Romulus. So animal control confiscated 500 exotic animals and they found a dead rabbit in the freezer amongst other dead animals. And the ones that were living were in unsanitary conditions. It was a really bad, reporting situation. I don' t know exactly what happened with that case but I can tell you those who abuse animals continue to do so. That' s what he did with this poor rabbit who desperately needed emergency vet care. I filed my appropriate complaints I fear the poor rabbit died from heatstroke. I ask everybody look at these videos. And also one last thing, if you all watched the news last night and the night before, three out of four goats were euthanized for testing positive for rabies in petting zoos throughout North Carolina. Do I need to argue my case anymore? Thank you. Thank you very much.

Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else? Seeing none, the first hearing of the public is closed. We'll move on to approval of the minutes. Item A, regular meeting minutes from August 11, 2026.

Mr. Mayor, I would move to accept the regular minutes of August 11, 2026. Support.

All right.

Please call the roll.

Council Member Curley. Yes. Council Member Scott. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick.

Abstain. And we have no scheduled hearings or unfinished business, so we'll move to reports from administration. We'll start with our city manager's report. Mr. Mattis.

Good evening, mayor and council. Several things to report this evening. Thursday, the splash pad opened in Kennedy Park. It's going very well. We're very excited about it. The sign says that it only is open through Labor Day, but we do plan to extend that this year. It'll be weather dependent, but it will be open 11 to 7 every day. until the weather turns, whenever that might be in September, but we'll let you know when we plan to shut it down for the winter. We have several road projects underway. On Nine Mile, our contractor is pouring driveways and gaps and filling all those things as well as sidewalks. We expect to see traffic transfer to the north side middle of the month, about September 21st or during that week. You'll see that switch. Lexington reconstruction from Nine Mile to Simrao is going well. The storm work is done. They'll be paving next week or so there. On Phlox, the concrete and catch basin repair is complete and the barrels have been removed, so that's good news. Our basketball courts on Ten Mile, the contractor received the wrong color benches and had to send them back. I'm saying to everybody, but just for you, Harvey. You've got to have the right color. You've got to have the right color benches. They are scheduled to return this week to install. Next week, they'll complete the surface with painting the lines and all that stuff. The fence will be going up later this week as well. And then on Hayes, the concrete pavement repair is... Complete on the east side, the west side is closed to traffic and removal for replacement has begun. That's all the road projects. Darren sends a very good list. Our DPW crew stays busy. You will see on upcoming agendas several contracts that we have coming due. So as we know, our engineering contract is up for review soon. Our IT services, there's a few other ones that will be coming up soon. in the near future we've been talking about the animal control building quite a bit that's on tonight's agenda as well we'll talk about the process when we get to that agenda item there's a few things related to discuss we are looking at the 2027 meeting schedule already that is typically on the first meeting agenda in October special thanks to Mr. Albright for weighing in the this one of these state laws change regarding when new members are sworn in to city council so we've been taking a look at that we need election workers so talk to deputy clerk underwood who's in the back if you are interested in helping with the election on november 3rd or the several weeks leading up to it it's a good way to get involved the election commission meets on thursday to kick off the november election so it's a the gift that keeps on giving elections We have some upcoming meetings and training, some for council, some for staff, but there's lots of conferences and education opportunities in September. So council, stay tuned. I will send lots of those your way. And then last, I just want to say welcome back to school to all of our students. It's the school year already. So happy September. And on that note, we are going to meet with the East Point Community Schools Board on September 15th. So we have a joint meeting regularly that we will be holding in a couple of weeks. So we look forward to that as well. That is all for me. I'm available for any questions you have.

Mr. Mayor, just for your information, the reason I've been pushing for the second basketball court, I went over there Saturday and and got out of the car and went inside the fence and sat down on the bench with the young people, there were 29 people there waiting to play basketball. And let me tell you, it was beautiful. There wasn't a swear word at all. There was no argument. There was no pushing. They were laughing and joking about, oh, you missed that shot. So I am so excited that they're going to show up and finish it. You don't want to be in your office on Monday if they're not there on Saturday. But it's going to be great, and I'm so happy that we have a second one. I've got another year and a half on my term, so I would hope that we can get at least one more basketball court in the city. On the other side of Gratiot, or actually this side of Gratiot... so the kids don't have to walk or ride their bicycle so far to play. So thank you for that.

Thank you, Council Member. I'm happy with that report. It's probably worth mentioning that none of us will be in the office on Monday. So City Hall will be closed for Labor Day, thanks for the reminder. And that will also delay rubbish pickup. So priority won't be picking up on Monday. It will be delayed a day. There's more information on the website for that.

Right. Thanks. Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Mattis? All right, well, I guess we don't have a finance director's report today, so we'll move on to the city attorney's report. Mr. Albright.

Thank you, Mayor, Members, Council. Short report section tonight. I do apologize for the long monthly status report and the 12 attachments. The city's keeping both our office and Mr. Fran's office very busy lately, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

Any questions for Rich? thank you. thank you move on to new business item a approval of the rezoning of 15145 toffer from mu1 to mu3.

before I read the recommended motion let me read the background so the folks here in the room and watching television will know. Genesis Chevrolet is planning a new vehicle sales and service facility at its property located at 21801 Gratiot and is purchasing the property located at 15145 Topher as part of the renovation. That property is currently zoned MU-1 neighborhood mixed use. Genesis adjacent property is zoned MU-3 regional mixed use. The City Council approved the special land use and site plan for the new facility. So the motion would move to approve the rezoning of the property at one five one four five Topher parcel ID zero one dash one four dash three one dash one five five dash zero two zero from MU one neighborhood mixed use to MU three regional mixed use for the redevelopment.

Is there support?

Support.

Any questions on that? Please call the roll.

Council Member Curley? Yes. Council Member Scott? Yes. Council Member Shadlick? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes. Moving on to item B, second reading and adoption of addendum to ordinance number 1051, pilot for Oakwood Manor Senior Living Housing Development.

I have a motion to give the second reading and adopt the addendum to the ordinance number 1051. So moved.

All right. I did just want to add, just given some of you, I haven't seen the fence over there. Can we make sure code enforcement just checks out what the fence condition is? Gladly. Yeah, we have received pictures and we'll take care of it. Thank you. All right. Any questions? Please call the roll.

Council Member Scott? Yes. Council Member Curley? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick? Yes.

All right, item C, introduction and first reading of ordinance number 26-1265, offenses concerning underage persons.

Mr. Mayor, again, before I read the recommended motion, let me give you the background. The police department is requesting that the penalty... for a violation of the city's minor curfew ordinance be reduced from misdemeanor to a civil infraction. The prosecutor's office will not entertain juvenile misdemeanors for this offense. This change will enable the city to handle such issues in the local court. So I would move to introduce and give the first reading to ordinance number 26-1265 minor curfew ordinance amendments. And to schedule the second reading and adoption of the regular council meeting on Tuesday, September 15th, 2026. Support.

Any questions on that one?

I actually do have some questions. Is there any reason why the prosecutor's office is unwilling to entertain the curfew?

it's not, it's not the city attorney's office acting in their capacity. It's the, uh, the County prosecutor's office. And, uh, just in case members of the public may not know that. And, uh, all I can say is it just is not a priority for them to, uh, uh, authorize those types of charges. I think chief, you can chime in as well.

I think just that the list of priorities it's just right it's it's certainly not a priority because they have so many other misdemeanor crimes that are occurring but it's also one of those very low-level issues that it's really complex when you start going through the probate court in sending up we' ve had a lot of cases of minor infractions and getting everyone involved is much easier for us to handle and much better for us to handle it on a local level as well.

what it does is it gets the cases in front of the judge in our office here in the 38 district court gives us an opportunity to speak with the juveniles as well as parents or guardians we can sit with them in one of the conference rooms and find out what the problems are and address those and

Okay, and I also had some concern. I know the state law states that the curfew is 16, and we've raised it to 17 at 11 p.m., and I feel like that creates an issue. I know a lot of students, sometimes they graduate at 16, and so could we bring, scale that back to 16 to match the state law?

that language in the ordinance is not being changed that's in our current ordinance right now. The only change that's being made and this is at the request of the police department is that the penalty for a violation of this ordinance is going from a misdemeanor offense down to a civil infraction.

From what I read it's saying that at the age of 17 But the state law is 16.

And again, that's the current ordinance. That's what's been on the books for probably 20 plus years. But if the council wanted to also make that change, they could do so.

Okay. And then, so I see here that the chief of police has the power to issue the permit. Now, I am aware that the school issues the permits for minors. Do we know why the chief of police would be issuing the permits? Because I feel like that would be additional burden for the police force.

Again, that was in the current ordinance that's been on the books for, I don't know, chief, I don't know, probably more than 20 years or so. But I'm not sure why that initially was that predates my my.

I'm not sure either in the only the only the only issue we looked at You know at this point was just getting rid of the misdemeanor violation to civil infraction But I'm fine with that being removed as well.

Okay, so I like to move to have the permits amend and to remove this issue off the police department that the chief would issue the permits because I am aware that the schools do issue the permit and also to have the language match the state language and having

curfew at 16 as opposed to 17 so we have a motion on the table don't we yes all right so that's a motion to I think you're talking about I paragraph see the employment permit yes all right so you are making a motion to amend to remove paragraph C and change the age level to 16 correct Is there support for that amendment? Support. And I know that you already spoke to the employment thing. I mean, that's only if someone applies to work on the streets at night. I don't know if that's even come up for an issue for you. Do you have any, I guess, issue with the 16-17 issue? No, I have no issue with that at all. I have no other questions. Anything else?

So I don't think it's specifically for the employment. I think overall the curfew. So overall for the curfew to be scaled back to 16 to match the state.

Oh, yeah. I think they were two separate issues. One would change everything to 16, I think, throughout the whole ordinance. And then the other was just scratch paragraph C entirely.

Yes.

Okay. All right. So let's first take the vote on the motion to amend. Right.

And Council Member Scott. Yes. Council Member Curley. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick.

Yes. All right. So that amends the original motion to include Councilman Scott's changes. Any further comments? Please call the roll on the main motion.

Council Member Curley.

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick.

Yes.

Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Scott. Yes.

All right. And then moving on to item D, approval of award of animal control building roof improvements.

Mr. Mayor, before I read the recommended motion, let me give you a... background for the audience. The city researched several options for the repair and or construction of a rope for the new animal control building, including request a proposal scope of work and estimated costs from several vendors. And on Thursday, August 20th, the city received five bids Submitted in response to the published invitation to bid from eighty nine thousand eight hundred to one hundred and seventy one thousand seven hundred and seventy So I would move to award the contract to the for the animal control building office improvements to GC commercial roof systems from Harrison Township and further authorize a city manager to execute all necessary documents

documents support All right So my first question for administration normally when we do motions like this I think typically when we order the contract we include language not to exceed the amount of eighty nine thousand eight hundred. Is there any Is this just happened to be written up differently or was there a reason?

If that We talked through a couple options. We're not opposed to a not to exceed number that is agreeable if that's how council wants to do it.

Was there any expectation that they might go above the bid amount? Expectation, no. With that answer, I think I will make a motion to amend now to add just at the end of that motion in an amount not to exceed $89,800. Would anyone support? Thanks. Any questions? Please call the roll on that.

Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Curley?

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick? Yes. Council Member Scott? Yes.

All right, so we saw the main motion on the table. I think which I support we have to we have this building We need to put a roof on it I'd like to I guess get at some point a plan from the administration before we start Spending much more on renovations on what it's going to take to get the building operational and also hopefully maybe talk to our surrounding communities to see if we can kind of create a partnership to work with them, share some of the services, and maybe some of the costs as well. So that's just more of a comment. Any other comments? Please call the roll.

Council Member Curley?

Yes.

Council Member Scott? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Council Member Shadlick?

Yes. All right. Item E, discussion on the City of East Point's 100th anniversary recognition. And I guess I'll just kick this off. I know that I've spoken to City Manager Mattis a couple times about trying to put together a commission to celebrate 100th anniversary for the city. I think we should incorporate. We've had a number of organizations the last two, three years that have all turned 100. So I think I'd like to do sort of a city-sponsored event a little bit larger where we're recognizing those organizations and doing something to celebrate the 100th. the city and I know Mr. Curley was interested in that as well. Did you have any thoughts that you want to share Mr. Mattis?

just that we know it's coming so to discuss what we want that to look like at this point we have a little bit of time but do we want to start to put together a commission is this a in all of council project is this a pick two or three people and a couple engaged citizens I wasn't sure what we want the makeup of that kind of work group to look like so my initial thought was commissioned but only because the city could

manage funds if they were raised or if there were donations or anything like that, partnering with other entities and make it not tax deductible if companies wanted to donate to support. I guess Randy's not here. My question would be, can we do that with a committee still?

We can, it's my understanding, up to an amount. I want to say it's $25,000. There's a number that we're allowed to fundraise in that kind of effort. I'm not sure entirely. I know there's some legal precedent around that. There's pros and cons to having a separate entity versus the city, and yeah, we'll continue to weigh those.

Do you have a recommendation at this point or not? At this point, no.

I was more curious what council wants to see that look like, so... I think keeping it council led at this point is a good idea. What other, any other input or thoughts on that?

Well, that would be two years from now, 28, not next year, but the year after.

So we became the city of East Detroit in 1929, correct? But the village of halfway was 1924. according to the plaques at Nine and Gratiot.

Okay. I thought it was sooner than that, but I don't know. I felt like it was coming up immediately. It is.

And these things, I've experienced a few celebrations in my experience, and the more energy you can put towards it up front, the result shows. So if you kind of piecemeal it together at the last minute, that's no fun for anybody. So I think to have some forethought is a good thing.

I guess at this point, maybe I'm just, I would be fine with maybe getting a recommendation on the makeup for like an ad hoc committee. If it turns into a situation where we think we need to actually formally make a commission. I mean, we can always change that at a later date. A committee I think is a little, gives a little more wiggle room. Unless Randy thinks differently, I guess. You could run it by him.

Yeah, between Randy and maybe our auditors might have some thoughts on that as well for best process. Yep, that sounds good. We're excited to engage in that and look forward to it.

Well, I agree wholeheartedly. It's something that we, I'll say have to do. Not only should do, but we have to do it. It's 100 years and that'll be it. So I'm excited about it. There's so many different things in my head that we could do as a celebration. And there's a number of really qualified citizens that we could think about being on that committee that's been here as long as I have, 65 years, so we'll see.

So can you bring back, I guess, a recommendation for a committee structure at the next meeting? Yep, that sounds good. Any other comments? We've got item F. All right, yeah, item F. I am seeking approval to use the training budget to attend the upcoming MML conference.

So moved. So far.

Thank you. Please call the roll.

Councilmember Curley?

Yes.

Councilmember Shadlick? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Councilmember Scott? Yes.

And next item is payroll and bills. Would anyone like to make a motion?

I would move that we approve the payment of the bills in the amount of $8,041,474.41. Support? And did anyone have any questions?

Please call the roll.

Council Member Shadlick. Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld.

Yes.

Council Member Curley.

Yes.

Council Member Scott. Yes.

All right, we'll move on to the second hearing of the public. The second hearing of the public is now open. Would anyone wish to be heard? Anyone wish to be heard?

There it was each point residents. By way of observation and what have you, I noticed that on the calendar, if we can depend on that. that there is a planning commission meeting coming up Thursday, 7 to 9 p.m., but there's also a summer concert coming up also on Thursday from 6 to 8 p.m., supposedly. And from previous experience, what I've noticed is when these concerts are being done, it takes up all the parking. So anybody trying to come to what I deem is important, the Planning Commission, there is no parking unless you park down where you make the curve head down there and walk up to the chambers here and what have you. So I don't know who does this scheduling of these things without being able to observe and notice the conflict of that as well as the Electric meter Car charges and what-have-you is being utilized with gasoline cars and what-have-you for the sake because there's no parking during that time and I don't and so I know there's no money being made or If somebody they actually have an electric car may want to utilize it that option won't be available and what-have-you And I'm totally appalled to how there was a situation with the civil service being counseled, and there was no information of it being counseled at nowhere. People called City Hall, called different places, different individuals, and no one could give an answer other than it's counsel and whatever. We're still talking about transparency. It's done got to be a joke. Always have been a joke. Just a bigger joke now. And whatever. We do what we want. when we won't, how we won't, and could care less about what was done and what have you. And so I just hope to live for the day that this can be turned completely around if that involves getting a whole new council body, minus the ones that are willing to do the job correctly. And heads need to be started chopping beside the ones that... people are attacking and go after in certain positions and what have you, especially the FBAs and what have you, foundational black Americans, and other people need to be eliminated from their jobs. And if you're disqualified, you need to go and what have you. We want to tighten down and what have you, citizens, and get rid of the lack and the people that are unable to do their job. Thank you very much.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Mary Hall, Rayford East Point resident. Regarding First Amendment settlement, I understand that There were a lot of people promoting misinformation about those involved in that lawsuit. And for the record, I just want people to know here as well as those who are listening, that lawsuit was not about money. The four of us involved wanted an apology from the former mayor. That's what we wanted. But because lawyers were involved, we followed their advice. And I'm saying this because it's an irritation for people to assume that some people, just because they're trying to exercise their rights, all they're thinking about is money. That was never the case. And I resent personally that people actually promoted that about me. So just for the record, it was never about money. It was about trying to get an apology and it was about forcing some people to acknowledge first amendment rights because we're not willing to do that. or attempt to intimidate people from exercising their rights and filing a lawsuit, then we're no better than those who are promoting fascism at this particular time. I know people don't like that word. We might as well get used to it because it seems to be where we're headed. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak?

Council at the last meeting we received a presentation from a police officer who worked at the schools and I made a comment concerning a pedophilia where a teacher was fired from East Point Community Schools. And to back that up, now we've got a worn consolidated school district teacher who's also been fired. But my point is that comment was deleted from the video when I went home to watch it. So I don't know if we've got people that are like, soft on pedophilia or what? I think it's a heinous crime. I think it's a death penalty crime. So let's straighten that out. These things happen. They happen a lot. I'd also like to talk about the other neighbors here who are experiencing fence line problems with weed trees and vines. This is all over East Point. We have no blight control at all in East Point. We should be using, when we do house inspections, especially of people renting properties, that should be part of the inspection. If I have a fence, I can get an arm's width of movement out of my fence because I've got tree trunks inside it and all kinds of things. You could probably hide a body in some of the places in my background and nobody would know it until you smelled it. So these things, we have ticks. Tick problems. We have all kinds of problems. Loose animals, whatever. So why are you so weak on blight enforcement? I don't understand it. It's not hard. It's really not hard. It doesn't cost you anything. The renter, the person renting the house, which I believe most of them are renters, rentals, is responsible for the cleanup. Doesn't cost you anything. Except you got to have an inspector to go out and look at it. I agree with Larry Edwards about the Civil Service Commission. I don't know why we're not having meetings. We can't get people to staff it, whatever. You have 30 seconds? Yeah, we have a problem with what's going on in City Hall. I do believe some members of City Hall need investigated. about treatment of black employees in particular, because that's what we're running up against. East Point is a majority black city. So I don't know why we got black employees almost exclusively. Thank you very much. Being fired.

Anyone else wish to be heard?

Jennifer Nicholas, East Point resident. At the last meeting, I misspoke on the nine-mile strategic corridor plan. I said there was about 100 people that responded. There were actually 638 responses to the survey, 11 virtual interviews with stakeholders, and 11 businesses surveyed. However, the nine mile strategic corridor plan only covered nine mile from the western boundary with Warren to Kelly Road. It did not include Kelly Road to I-94. The area from Kelly to I-94 was not included in any of the surveys, workshops, or in the final plan. There was no input given by residents, businesses, stakeholders. Planning Commissioner City Council regarding nine mile between Kelly and I-94 AEW, according to Ryan Kern, did not do a traffic study or traffic simulation for Nine Mile between Kelly and I-94 to determine the possible results of putting in a median there. Statistics that Ryan Kern did provide us are as follows. There are approximately 23,000 vehicles per day that travel that section of Nine Mile. The highest number of accidents occur at Raven. Second highest is at Beaconsfield. Since January, 2022, there have been 152 accidents. 10% of these accidents are within a severe category. There were no fatalities with these numbers. It works out to about three accidents per month or three accidents per approximately 700,000 vehicles. The one severe category accident happens every four months or every 2.7 million vehicles. For years, maybe decades, drivers on eastbound Nine Mile have not been allowed to turn left onto Beaconsfield at all. There's traffic coming west on Nine Mile, traffic exiting westbound I-94 turning on Nine Mile, and traffic from southbound Beaconsfield also turning onto Nine Mile. This new median and turnaround will require that all eastbound drivers that want to turn left will have to do so at the least safe spot. with three potential on-coming traffic conflicts. Regardless of that, whether it's safe or not, my bigger concern is that this median was designed without input from residents, businesses, or the mayor and city council. The plans were not readily available until posted online June 30th, 2026. As a resident, I have concerns that decisions on projects that will affect the entire city seem to be being made by a handful of people in city administration and outside hired contractors, most of whom are non-residents and will not have to deal with potential repercussions. Going forward, can we put procedures in place that would require city administration and AEW to present any and all engineering plans and assigns to city council well before proceeding with any type of project? Thank you.

Thank you very much. All right. Anyone else wish to be heard? Anyone else?

Don't nickel and dime the animal control roof. The animals didn't ask to be put there. They can't have the ability to find new housing nor insurance to cover their temporary shelter. It's up to humans to help defenseless animals and stop treating them like they have no intrinsic value and instead are disposable. This city squanders plenty of money on petty, ridiculous items, repairs, new construction, et cetera, et cetera. That's not entirely necessary. But when it comes to vulnerable animals, don't be tightwads and penny pinchers. They need a roof as part of their shelter. hawks are now throughout spindler park and since they are federally protected by law the city must find a non-lethal and harmless way to discourage them For instance use owl decoys because you don't want kids playing in that playground area and all of a sudden They're bearing witness and being traumatized and watching hawks kill the squirrels and then don't sit there and wonder why you're gonna end up having Angry parents screaming at you and calling you every name in the book when you've been put on notice about the Hawks being in the park you knew you didn't take action and Oh boy, do you ever deserve to get chewed out for that one? So take action. And last of all, switching over to the First Amendment, there's no less than six lawyers in this room. I know all six have read the landmark case decided in 1971, Cohen versus California. Remember, it's in regards to profanity being protected speech. So for those who have not read it, I encourage you to do so. And I'll end with this. Lake Ontario has always been Lake Ontario. It will always be Lake Ontario. So to Google, get bent. To Canada, elbows up. To Chumpty Dumpty Donald J. Trump, rot in hell.

Anyone else wish to be heard? Seeing none, the second hearing of the public is closed. We'll move on to Mayor and Council reports. Councilman Curley.

Thank you, Mayor. A few comments from the audience. You know, speed bumps at the schools, it's not a bad idea. Now, advocating speed bumps on the whole 100 miles of pavement in East Point is going to be maybe too costly, but putting them at the schools, that's not a bad idea. It's a good suggestion. The First Amendment, is there going to be a gathering on that day at the park or something like that? Do you know?

Fire has not planned one because after that first...

Thank you, I just said thank you, sorry The retaining wall what I call it I know they call it a medium median or whatever I Wish I had the ability to vote on to vote on that. I didn't they went ahead and did it I you're coming from the west and you wanna go into the shopping mall, you gotta go all the way down almost to the expressway to turn around and come back Or if you're coming from the east and you want to go someplace, you've got to go all the way down to Kelly and turn around and come back. But I'm not going to talk about it. The rodents, you're absolutely right. Those rodents aren't going to go away until you take away their harboring. And that pile of junk is there. If you give them your address, maybe the code enforcement officer can go there and tell them, that they need to move that. Would that be right?

Yeah, it was Ms. Henderson's comment, yes.

All right. Okay. Been a lot of conversation, hasn't there, about Dorones? We all know Dorones. Probably all of us have went there one time or another to get a screwdriver or get your window fixed or whatever. And they're right, there was a letter written by the former city manager, Wes McAllister, that said that the city council in 1990 had voted to allow Duroni to maintain the parking spaces they have right now. And I have the letter in front of me and I was suggested to me and he said, but Nine Mile Road must not be altered without specific approval of the city. Now I sat there as a mayor for 10 years with Wes and I know Wes, I know him like a book. And when he said the city, he wasn't saying the administration city, he was talking about the city council. Mr. Mayor, I would ask you a question and you might have to ask the sale attorney. I want to make a motion. Is that okay?

I wouldn't entertain a motion now, but if you wanted to put something on the next agenda, I think that would be appropriate.

Well, if I could do it now, I'd rather wait now rather than two weeks.

I'm not going to entertain a motion during council comments. Sorry.

City Attorney, can I make a motion?

Mayor controls the meeting as the head of the City Council.

Was it legal?

Okay, and you said what again not during council comments, I'm not going to go into the business of okay.

All right. All right Two weeks from now I'll be I'll be making the moxon to continue what West McAllister in the City Council in 1990 did because the council has not Rescinded this motion they have not That's all

Councilman Beshadlik.

I'd like to wish a happy anniversary to St. Veronica's. 100 years, that's amazing. It's a beautiful church. If you haven't been there, it's a lovely church and very nice, warm, welcoming atmosphere. So congratulations to them. Many good memories of their festivals back in the day and things like that. I know even my brother and my sister-in-law met there and ultimately got married. And so, you know, it's got a special place on my family's heart. So it's a wonderful thing to see them celebrating 100 years. I'd like to remind everyone to continue to patronize our businesses, especially those on Nine Mile who have been affected by the construction. I know it's been a long, arduous construction, but we would appreciate your going out of the way and trying to support those local businesses, especially during this difficult time, as well as all of our businesses here in East Point. I think we've got some really amazing businesses that truly do need our patronage, and we have such wonderful places here in East Point to just stop by and visit. Speaking of good places to visit urban seed, uh, that's the community garden on nine mile here is holding art in the garden. It's going to be held on Saturday, September 19th, uh, in the event of inclement weather, they're going to do it on the 20th. But if you're interested, please check their website, the urban seed, um, for their applications. They're accepting applications for the art in the garden. It's a really great community event. And if you haven't visited the garden, it's also nice to see the garden as well as the art kind of a cool event to go to. So I'd like to encourage everyone to go to it. It's going to be Saturday the 19th, 6 to 9 p.m. in the evening. I'd like to commend longtime resident John Gruenberg. We've had a difficult relationship, to say the least. But I do want to commend him because I think he's trying very diligently to, you know, work in our community he's volunteered recently at the old schoolhouse over on nine mile it needed a lot of work and he's looking for volunteers so if you have some extra time where you'd be willing to help out i believe he's up there most weekends so um you know he would probably appreciate the extra help but uh kudos to john for taking on that project And I want to apologize for not being at the splash pad opening. I felt really bad, but I had already previously made plans to go to Jellystone to do some camping with my sister and the... She's got 11 grandkids, so we took four of them. And then speaking of grandkids, we took two that I am hoping will be adopted September 15th. So I will become a grandmother at the next meeting. So I'm very excited for the 15th. I cannot wait because I should have good news that day. So that's all I wanted to share. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilwoman Scott.

I was able to attend the Splash Pad grand opening, and I thought it was amazing. We've seen a lot of families there, and I had the opportunity to speak to the residents and encourage them to attend our city council meetings. A few of the residents gave me some concerns, and I was able to listen to them. And so I've already started talking to Ryan Mattis about a few of those concerns, hoping that we will have the ability to change them soon. in the future. I would like to encourage them to actually take advantage of the extended hours or operation. We're supposed to close for Labor Day, but we're extending it because we did open late. I would like to also thank Ms. Barnica for coming out. She is a resident of East Point. I had the opportunity to talk to her and invite her to tonight's city council. So thank you so much for coming out.

Thank you I too want to say great job to administration for the splash pad I you know We were waiting for a goal to approve us opening it so we kind of through well I say we administration kind of put together that ribbon-cutting very quickly And there was still a really great turnout with kids so It's it's not something you have to pay for you Just park at the park and you can walk right in while it's open and operating so it was a great event and And just to comment, I guess, Mr. Mattis, I want to make sure that Councilman Curley's items on the agenda at the next meeting. I don't have a problem with Council entertaining it. I just think during comments, it gets a little wonky for running a meeting. With that, we have a closed session. And I guess I'll ask Council, I know that we have Brianna in the back filming. Do we want to come back out or will we let her? I don't think there's any motions after the closed session. Okay, so I'll just let everyone know who's watching the only thing after closed session is a vote for adjournment And I think we're gonna let our AV person go so that one thing probably won't be recorded at the end of the meeting but The time we the time that we end will be in the minutes that are in the next.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's for sure see it that way and the Sol entertain a motion to go into closed session for pending litigation under MCL 15 268 1e All right, please call the roll.

Councilmember Curley? Yes. Councilmember Scott? Yes. Mayor Kleinfeld?

Yes.

Councilmember Shadlick?

Yes. We'll go into closed session at 828. Harvey's already gone.