Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

March 18th, 2026 time is 6:30 p.m. are present with the exception of excuse and supervisor operates on a single meeting public hearing for the applicant agent will present the request and there will be commissioner discussion. We will then ask members of the public in favor or opposed for the petition to speak. The petition shall have transform. All comments must be addressed to the commission and not to the petitioner. First on the agenda tonight is review and approve of the planning commission meeting minutes for February 18th6. Does anyone have any edits or comments about the minutes?

Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. All in favor? All opposed. Motion carries. Uh second item on the agenda tonight is CSM review for N7480 B school road parcel number P36 03. Honey trust Jack owner and physical engineering applicant.

Good evening from engineering. Um the trust LLC Jack has property on the school road. Um we were here last fall. first step of the process which was comp amendment. Uh his existing home sits on this CSM sit on lot two. Um he wanted to just expand that lot to essentially cover the pond to the south and it's a a two lot division. It's one property currently we're divided into two. Um we were last fall amendment that got one to town and then took it to the county and then after the first city here this portion of the property. Uh we recruited a town. I just got approval from the county a couple weeks back. So this is kind of the third and final setup of the CSM. Um generally there's not generally there isn't he isn't proposing any work out there uh to really just more land planning uh estate planning. Uh so these you know the 14 acre lots going to be the house in the south for the rest of the property will remain as it exists today. uh there's an existing highway school road uh that's the access we're going to continue to use that system uh at the exhibit for access to these properties we'll have a separate access document record and what so um has any questions I know we talk about a little bit this is the first time he's actually seen in great detail.

So basically what I have here is very well explained um is the technicality to make this parcel and this property independent from the larger parcel itself. Um pretty much it's just what required push through the county properly and future sale and whatnot. So my only question I had is just looking at the aerial um going through the work to give you the ement access school. I notic that there's secondary road that comes off of road and that still own same entity.

Yeah. To the east something that you guys are looking at. Yeah. So, Mr. Schaer does own property uh in the um to you guys on the other side. Uh he's got a property within the same home. He's actually a little another little home over there and there's a bridge that crosses the creek and so so he has access kind of all through the properties he has. Um there's not an easement on that property. Um yeah, at this point I Yeah, he hasn't asked me to to

Yeah. No, no. Um I can certainly find out in the state we need to do that house across because we look at CSM to your point once you lot to house would have to have access right across lots. Okay. Um with that do we have any conversation any questions? uh that particular parcel is not owned by the socel from board. Okay. Uh any public comments for the proposal this evening as presented? Any other comments in opposition to what was present this evening for this applicant? Okay. Um do we have any motion for approval or any comments conversation post? Okay. Motion.

I'll make a motion. I make a motion approve request 74 road number 36003. Okay. Uh for a motion to approve. Second. Okay. Motion and a second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries.

All right. Thank you. Item number three on the agenda is CSU for N826 highway ES number P6 06 D1. Carl Sawyer owner and Warren Hansen advocate. All right. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for your time. Okay. Uh essentially this is uh I'm asking you to either approve the certified as you see it or this is kind of a different situation with uh in all fairness I was over here or excuse me lower county and basically what they told me is they denied uh review of the CSM because it does not fall under the typical guidelines for why you need CS review because it's essentially not taking land from one parcel and moving it to another. I'm using this CSM basically what I'm doing is I bought two pieces of crop from the city and I added it to my existing property. So therefore I'm not taking property from an existing parcel and adding it to mine. I am just taking land that was coming back bringing it in mind and combining the three parcels into one using to give a very good subscription in the future. So commonly demand review

doesn't really fall within you know the the rules for review. Uh and then they told me you can bring me in front of the tunnel over here and you get it to be the same or you can just approve it as a regular up to essentially if you look at the uh the parcel you can see for the lines are now all I'm trying to do is make one line all lines that used to be there. I'm going to make one subscription that subscribes to pretty simple actually. So, I was briefly looking at the GIS website today and you acknowledged the initial parcel that you referenced which would essentially be the call the secondary diagonal line um the northwest line of the two that come in. Um but call the rectangle property piece that I build into it was not acknowledged as an individual parcel number which is why I'm slightly confused by county kicked back to town because technically the way I was reading this I could be mistaken is that that is right away owned by the Well, actually what happened is the railway is owned by the state of Wisconsin and in my purchase was from the state of Wisconsin and that there in lies the issue that the county said they're not they're not going to use

something because they're not taking property that exists per se because right away it goes back to when ES was built years ago. Okay. Yes. Straight out right there on the corner back point. The original one was salt shock. When they put the 43 through, they had highway. When they did that, they seized this land that I'm now getting bought from the state seiz when they seize that land. They finished all they moved out and made it as we see it today. When they're done, they did not come back to say, "Oh, this is surplus land. If if you look on G's website, you'll notice that setbacks in that area from this parcel all the way to the destroyed are extremely wide. And the reason they did that, see that explanation. They weren't sure where to receive the day. So they sew along the entire area. So they determine where they wanted to make the energy at the time. So that's why the set of extra squat. Now the city's realized they had was excess money. Okay. So I called up and it took me like a year to hold the right person but eventually I got the right person. You're not sure.

So bought right and then I went back and said something involved this I only bought you know 20 ft initially and I'm like wait a minute back off the freeway off I guess you know whatever it is you know everywhere else on the if I don't buy that additional piece of property and then place my building way in the property going for 43 candel that's why we went back second time and purchase the next piece from D and that they're in rub because it's not that property it doesn't fall in bounds so you can get one review which in that case I think someone or sure we approve of it and we go through next week is so that's

and just to clarify they didn't deny to see they said it wasn't necessary they said it was necessary they didn't deny anything they just didn't want to they are declining the review process because it does not fall within the CS review process. I guess that's another way to work. I apologize tools. I just wanted to be clear to just basically kick the can off to the prostitutes.

I appreciate that explanation. It's my other question that is you purchased the first parcel and that was recorded and shows on the website as tax parel number. But now we have an additional 20 25 ft variable with piece of property between ES and this parcel that this is a proposed CSM survey.

Is there any documentation to show that that additional parcel was purchased? I'm confused why that wasn't recorded and doesn't have tax. I don't know that we could be responsible to give away city from both the there was a lot of back and forth on parcel uh concerning the starting point uh county the for question they kicked it back to fair and fair kicked back to city the state were back and forth for 6 months and then they figure out you know the problem there was one ping this off in s county so back they corrected that I got corrected uh survey search quickly I do have cops all of them I apologize I don't have them with me I should have um solving it can probably burn up for you if you bear with me for a second here.

When you did the res of that property did it bring any of that up? No, they didn't the entire was listed in it entirely. Correct. Yes. Yes.

Right. So, so the legal restriction on any of well two quickly and the initial survey in my island one piece property to make the you know the means and descriptions a lot easier to read and it's just one piece and it makes clear all the confusion with the you know the internal lines

just from a verification standpoint that you're proposing to include CSM is yours. I'm sorry. What was the question or statement? Statement. So I'm just saying in order to verify what land you're adding with the season.

Well, I certainly understand that fair chances are certainly the incorporating the equipment we need to that is the boundary soon it's not just I mean that's to come up with something I mean honestly I can go back in the office I can have a phone in about 2 months if you want to see your next one I'll come and I'm a little uncomfortable about we can't really acknowledge and accept a certified survey that is going to join these parcels without knowing that we have some kind of documentation that's there doesn't show up on the GS website right now again could be viable if all sudden something comes out in the future basically just plan that the saving table.

What I mentioned is maybe table next for everybody. Let's take a look at here and we'll hopefully be able to revisit the sink here this evening.

Thank you. All right. Um, item number four on the agenda is Shorland setback varian for N9228 East Shore Road. Partial number PET 9 048 Dam LLC's owner and Jr. Taylor is the applicant. Good evening. Good evening. Town James. Uh the process that we're going through is that uh we want to add an elevator lift to the back side of the dockite. Um if you're familiar with the property, u survey the site plan. There's no space in the building to put an elevator for the apartment. the owner like it. And so when we didn't think it was a a major issue, we uh approached it uh initially to try and get a revision to the previous uh variance that was done last April. They started in in uh in April and finally passed in May. uh unfortunately with the zoning ordinances you get 6 months to make your revision within your uh zoning application and so we were 7 months when I was contacted. Uh so the plan is to add a

an elevator shaft enclosure on the outside of the building. The shaft is about 6' 5 in 6' 6 in by 6' 7 in. And inside there will uh there's two documents that have been submitted. One's got more clarification on it shows where the lift is going to go on the building and then the type of it's going to go in place. Uh and I use the word lift because there's a difference between that has to do with this and it has to do with sizes and how they're managed. So, uh, the limit that we're using, you could be used with uh, and if it work in this application, they're going to access it from the from the department directly into the up the second floor where his unit is. Um, when I submitted to the county, uh, Darren uh, rejected it and said I am variance for it. Uh the varianc is uh to build the shaft as close as 24.1 ft from the um from the channel. The whole building was built before there was a maintenance. The building itself was may not be historic nature historic where it's at uh and the it was placed there before there was any for living in the house. uh in 1993 I believe they allowed uh for a ramp to be added to the deck to the front to make the beginning floor accessible and my guess is and I can't answer that question because I don't have documentation is that the Americans with disability act which took place in 1990 uh some some understanding how we had to do and to that extent

everywhere and handicap everywhere most floors uh they I don't force you to open it. I'll be honest with you, but the only request the existing building at closest point is 6.1 ft I think from the channel. Uh basically the property has two states that are in the channel. So you can't see them. So it's a real small site. The tax has 34 acres the whole site. Uh and so this has been to you for the addition of a second floor deck above the the first floor decks last year. And so what the request is is very simple. We would like to add a new variance for elevator lift of the size indicated and shown on the plan uh to that second requirement. And in order to do that, you have to have your response whether it's positive or negative. uh and I have to get that and submit it forward application uh to the board of justice. I will answer any questions that you need or want uh very similar to this on the building. Uh and the idea is it says elevator. Okay. Thank you. Um so essentially everyone's bedside this will be on the back side of the property um not on the lake side and it will be in the parking lot corner of the building. So it is certainly set as far back from that challenge as we possibly um in my opinion I don't see too much of a challenge the existing area before was concrete zone not dealing with any

change of imperous areas drainage or that nature. Um you mentioned that second story deck that was already approved on the prior deck side of the deck that has not been done yet to do the work in the apartment that comes down. Um, so that's kind of what I was I did hand out or Jen hand out this afternoon before the meeting site plan shows more dimensions to the to the uh the channel lasting going. We're not adding any additional amount to the lake um by approving this. This is going to serve as an access to the second. So um I personally don't see too much of a challenge with this one.

Um that would be internal communication. So this is not that appears to be cable all these utilities if necessary could be relocated and not part of the structure of the building itself. Yeah. So essentially you're in a square box off of the the back side of the building, but it's going to be

um that would be a structural component that they have to have to deal with. I'm not sure is they were engineering that appropriately. um our approval tonight. It wouldn't be part of the structural design of the electric potentially picture should could be skewed and the electric shows you power coming into the building. the gas need to be relocated. So they would relocate on their side. So we parked the background in the back door of the building around the front deck which is in process being prepared. And of course requirements for us to approve the bearings for the footprint of this shaft. I did put them online and we'll look at the the proposed um

too platform churches. We put them in banks. We put them in other places, you know, have to be kept small. You roll with with your wheelchair or whatever and go straight up. Someone come in from the backside parking lot and walk straight into the apartment above. There's another stairway on the inside. No reasonable way of getting one,

right? Well, the jump off the deck will be a jump off which meets the code. Okay. The the deck both on the back side would meet the goals as well. Okay. chef term because it's more attractive than chef.

Okay. So, it's a narative stud. It's reinforced the widing and on the outside siding and then the inside we're going to use a resistant that doesn't make it moldy and stinky. Oh, hopefully process any other questions. Okay. Um comments from the gall. So, uh I guess at this point looking for a motion motion that we approve the review number 900 048 second. motion and a second. All in favor?

All opposed.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for getting us through process. I think your next item is an important discussion because the way the county has set up before they anything two or three month process. So meetings have just hardc address in a different way and I had this discussion with you know that the county doesn't recognize the ADA in the way they handle things. It's just black and white. They have a black and white process. They have some for the lake. If you want to have a lift, but you can't for your time. Okay.

Okay. Um other business we do have one item and some conversation as just discussing to move the planning commission meeting back from the month to the first week of the month to better coordinate between the county's agenda and schedule and our town's schedule for approval. So J, can you expound on that please?

We made a nice try thinking we were making things easier. We failed and so um after feedback from applicants and then even just our own process, we actually request to go back to that person and then it's a single question. has some questions as we have here this evening. Would the applicant then we still have the third week is possible to come back or would if it has returned to discussion it would go back for one full month. It would probably have to be made because the word

other comments question um with that I would motion this is this is coming to approve motion to approve the meeting to the first time starting in a second. We have the first motion and a second. All in favor?

All motion carries few minutes. Um break it in fairness tomorrow when he comes back. Initial question is how we join two parcels when there's anology website in the town have separate text parcels and there couple of instances in the last 25 years that I've been too where somebody assumed that it was a easy adjacent parcels and therefore should be quick approve approval processes and towns property business on the website.

Wait a minute. This question when you start the elevator installed uh they would start immediately and they already so uh

it's a work in progress so they're already working on the rest of the building they'd like to continually get in place right now the schedule with county is such that uh they will uh set their agenda for the main meeting, which is why we're having this conversation right now, is that if we came to your April meeting and we didn't get it to the board, which was 2 days later, or the board didn't accept what was going on, it would physically go till the board meeting in the town until after the county board of justice meeting. So, they push in another month. So a submittal here by April 1st would be reviewed by you in April, but it would go to the board until after the meeting of the board of adjustments in in the county. And so this adjustment would allow you to meet the first if you met the first the board at that time to go through that process. So it's a and the counties hard it's hard to change that dynamics of what they're asking for. So the counties are never very fast as one your board commissioners can attest to that and I know that I just put on in just a little lift in St. finest along the lift to go out to the fish truck, you know, and that took us almost a year to get all the pieces of ice, you know, it was just crazy. We put a lift in an elevator, which is one of the elevator in it's off that and because of the timing and stuff, it just takes forever. They didn't even come right the elevator we ordered. Well, and they because it was coming from Canada and we didn't go through all the dynamics and all the

terrorists and all the things that it's everybody wants. Everybody needs one problem. Even the media work retired the worst. Yeah. Well,

I got nervous. I had here's this is the first folder for the first purchase and then I had a second one as it check because of that records. This is a different comp and I did speak on the uh description issue with

having a conversation so thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah. All right. For the record, we are now back from tableing item number three in the agenda, which is the CSM review request for N826 highway partial number PET 1600 160061.

title on this. This one 1600 0

Did you have any of your two separate ones because interesting enough tax number and also on the survey which verify this for the Um earlier tax partial PT1600 06D1 and um Carl we did take a quick look and uh quickly deed uh that was registered um slightly confused. This was actually signed and recorded on June 26th of 2024. What I am missing and based on the survey that was provided from Hansen this tax partial number according to the GIS website from again from March 18th of 2026. So almost a year or 9 months later only shows the initial parcel and it does not show roughly this rectangular box which is added 63.53 ft on the southwest corner of the parcel or 64.47 ft on the northeast

corner of the parcel. I don't know. what exactly to do when it doesn't even acknowledge this let's second GIS and obviously this is a issue on other properties GIS is for adisement only it is not as accurate as is what you would like to believe if you take a look at my parcel behind me around the lake. It says that's all right. If it's correct now, I spent close to $100,000 correcting that property between myself and that's been going on for 50 years now and attorneys I had to go back through every single uh purchase land from the original ser all the way back to 1934 or 36. 6 G is very accurate. I can't see to why GIS does not show this other than to say it's been recorded that shows on the top here. It shows reporting as being done. I have the parcel very next to me which is also from and it but I also have the original purchase. So in essence you have the you know two of the three pieces I mean not shown but you have survey in your

hand for that parallel and you show your handcards your information you need to make a decision is in front of you in my opinion I is that this pizza deliveries is actually Incorporated and then the one that you just provided equipment that's

so any other conversation Hearing none of the taxi driving

well 61 the other one that's noted and the original planning commission This is not concurrent with the original taxi parcel that is recorded. It does describe there's no legal com on this particular page that shows right away the Asian parcel to become tax parcel the parent parcel which is what he's trying to do. So I can only assume but I don't think that stamp assume that it would be that it will be documented. So

well we have the claim but it says parcel identification tax number adjacent to the tax that one word right there. Well, I mean in essence you're taking land tax and then you're bringing it into that tax. So that's the be interesting to reach out to CS that gets addressed and clears up in that way and it's on this was the document here too. So uh with that I believe the documentations is in order for for this. We have another additional conversation. I make a motion to approve the CSM or PET 160061 and adjacent to it.

We have a motion and a second. All in favor? All opposed. Okay, with that I believe we covered everything we need to uh business we need to discuss. Okay, do we have a motion to move? Second motion second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion objection.