Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

meetings. Yeah.

The clock is pretty accurate, isn't it? Stays on top of things once in a while. All right. I'd like to call the February 5th East Allen Township Planning Commission on board order. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. Where's the flag today? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Are you our legal support tonight? Sure. Call please. Mr. Daniel here. Mr. Chamberlain here. Mr. Long here. Mr. Heming here. Mr. Mills here. All right. Public comment. Let the record reflect there's no public comment. Approval of minutes from the January 8th meeting. Only has any objections? I make a motion. not approve. No, because on the two items it says no quorum was met when in fact all the time. Yeah, it says that all the time.

I haven't noticed it before and when I had noticed it, I called it out. But yeah, I know. But every time we have a meeting, minutes printed, it says that every time. Corm not met, three passed. Okay. So, I don't know what's wrong with the setup. Interesting. Was the attendance right in the notes? I don't know. I didn't even look because I wasn't at the meeting. I know you didn't. The attendance was right. Everything's right. But the minute the We will edit the quorum that it shows up correctly. But if there's nothing else wrong besides that, no, you can just make a motion. That's right.

Subject to that. By the way, um I actually watched it on YouTube, but not live. Um and you could probably use another microphone on that table. Uh we do have microphones for that. They don't want to speak into it at times and then the dialogue. Yeah, trouble with that. It really has to get a camera on them, too. Well, we talked about that, but trying to get one camera to work is challenging enough right now to get a second one. But yeah, just just saying. Yep. Okay. So, Norm, you made a motion to accept it with the correction of the quum statements.

Norm, that correct? Yeah. All right. We have a motion on the floor. A second. Have a motion by Norman, a second by Art. Roll call, please. Mr. Daniel, yes. Mr. Chamberlain, abstain, not present. Mr. Long, abstain, not present. Mr. Heming, yep. Mr. Mills, yes. The record reflect motion passes to none. We have four. And we do have

All right. Okay. Moving on. Planning Commission reorganization, which was postponed from last meeting due to the lack of a full board. Um need uh election of the chairperson. Do we have a recommendation? Nominate anyone for the position of chairperson. Yes, I'll nominate Mr. Robert Mel. Hey, we have one nomination. Do we have any other nominations? If I understand correctly from Robert's rule, since there are no other nominations, the basic it it goes as is. whatever you want it to be.

No, I I I had read it because I read it not last year, the year before. There's only one nomination for a position, then it's basically I forget the technical term for it, but it's it's gone. Yeah, it's a Yeah, it's a de facto ballot that's being cast for one.

All right, moving on. We have the election of the vice chairperson. Do we have any recommendations for nomination of vice chair? recommend Marty Chamberlain. I have a recommendation for Marty Chairman. Do we have any other recommendations? Any other nominations? The record. There is no other additional nominations and de facto chair vice chairperson will be party chamber. All right. Moving on to the election of the position of secretary. We have a nominee. Anyone to nominate for the secretary?

Nominate Norman Daniel. Nominations on the floor for Norman Daniel. Does anyone make any other additional nominations? We have no other nominations. Nominees with this facto nominee. Norman Daniel will be the will be the secretary for the planning commission.

All you do is get the signed and sign but you get all of but you get all the privilege along with it. It's exercise, Nor. It's exercise. My hand starts out real nice and at the end it's sloppy. I don't know how you get through it all. because I don't sign my name like I used to anymore. It's an opportunity to actually sign. No, no, my secret is my signature looks like this. I did hear where they're bringing cursive back to schools again. Imagine that. And I hear they're banning phones in school again. Imagine that. All right, moving on. Your mileage may vary.

Business before the planning commission item. First item is Salo 2026-01 UGI Bath Regulation Station Minor Subdivision. We have the applicant before us. Please should I maybe one of these go to we have microphones. They just have to be put out. Okay. I think the vice vice chairman should be in charge of the microphone. I was going to say thank you vice chair. Turn it around. Just clip it in there. Hold on. Let me turn it off. Wasn't he supposed to be an IT kind of guy?

That's what I was just thinking. Yeah. And an audiovisisual AV roadie. Will you please state your name and address for the record? Uh Luke Likton Wner from UGI Utilities um office based at 2121 City Line Road PA. Thank you. All right. Um we do have a review letter from Hanover Engineering. Basically states that everything you have is administrative direct.

Did you have anything you'd like to speak to?

So, this is for one of our regulator station projects. Um, for those of you unfamiliar on the gas side, regulator station is like a substation. It takes the high pressure gas and lowers it down to pressure that's in the general distribution system in all the streets feeding all the local customers. Um this project was brought on due to the load growth and development um that is ongoing in the area. Um along with the project um increased capacity um also increased um sound attenuation of the facilities themselves um as to not disturb the neighbors that are adjacent to it. Um so this project um will be um moving the lot line from the existing UGI property line um with the permanent easement that we UGI already has adjacent to it. Um it will be moving the um permanent easement into a UGI owned portion of the parcel and then giving the equivalent square footage of land back to the adjacent land owner um along the length of the property.

You guys have done quite a bit of work there, right? Yes.

Um this is solely the plan for the lot line adjustment. Um the facilities that are ongoing are um currently in construction not finished. Um only mechanical work was essentially started for there. So none of the um new work is shown. Um with the completion of the project um the larger square that's there will be abandoned along with the long tube like item with a few apartmentses showing off of it. And then the new um regulator station with the sound containment structure around it um will be um about 10 and a half ft off of the new property line. So you're saying that big the dark big square? Yep. That's going to be gone.

Correct. That's the existing sound containment structure over the existing underside station. Okay. Oh, that's that little building. Yep. So that's the square. It's not the entire existing facility. Correct. It's just that that's where is the existing building that's there. Okay. That's being deleted. Yep. And I'm assuming that the structures you're currently constructing is on your property. Yes. So the structures that we're building were within the permanent easement and UGI owned property. Okay. This gives you the distance outside of the easement.

Yeah. this gives us um to meet the uniform construction code. Typically, UGI doesn't own property. Everything's solely done on a permanent easement. Um but with UGI owning property and having the permanent easement, um the uniform construction code states that we can't put the sound containment structure over a property line. So where is the e is the ement you're referring to the property or is the easement separate from the property that UGI owns?

So the permanent easement that we have is essentially the land that UGI is acquiring from the neighboring land owner. Um that's the 23 foot by 180 foot hatched parcel that's on there. Okay. So that you have as an easement, but now you're doing a lot line adjustment to own it. Correct. Okay. So you are doing construction in the area that you're looking to trans to to acquire correct as an was land development building issue or

Yeah. So they have applied for the building permit as part of that. The township had reviewed it for the impact for land development and we were in favor of waving okay land development because of it being a utility structure and the previous building was waved. Um but the building is on the current property line in the easement and on their current property and because of that it won't pass the approvals for the building process because it it's in the middle of the property line. Okay. and the building code requires a easement for both property owners on both sides of the property which wouldn't work in the case of their utility.

Okay. So, we will be doing a full review of this plan. Um, you know, a lot some of the things are that you're not showing the full property boundary with meets and bounds for either of the lot. Well, I think they're not showing meets and bounds for either of the properties. Um, the only thing that's provided on the plan right now are meets and bounds for the areas that are being transferred, but you will have to show them completely. And I think your the UGI parcel it, this plan doesn't even show like the very tip of it. Um, and I think too with this plan, if you are currently under construction, I mean, you are required to show all existing and man-made features on your site and within 100 ft. So, the fact that you have a building permit and you're under construction, I think you need to show that on this plan. Okay. And like your property lines, it's very, this plan was very difficult for me to figure out at first what was going on. Um because your property lines look almost like a utility line. Um so like you're usually your property boundaries are dark solid lines, you know, so they stand out. Um and then you know they are required to have meets and bounds for the whole property boundary for both lots that are involved with this lot. call a lot line adjustment, which is what it is.

And I will relay that information to our design engineer. Um, and I'm sure those comments will be coming out with the township engineers review letter as well. Okay. Certainly questions or whatever contact them to keep it done as quickly as possible. Um, so do you you guys does the UGI own the right away all the way out that old railroad? Yes, UGI. Um, there's a mixture of owned property and easements throughout the old railed. Um, UGI, from what I understand, UGI acquired that in a short sale back in the early 90s.

So, all of the land that was condemned by the railroad, UGI now holds easements for, and all of the acquired land from the railroad UGI now owns. So, along the length of that, there's some owned and there's some easement portions, right? because it goes goes north to where it used to spur off of that existing that's still there. Then it goes south across Locust Road and then runs down into the housing development and comes out. Yeah. goes down um behind Shark and Supply goes over past um Willowbrook Road over past the airport as well because anybody that develops back there has to be aware of that and can't basically encroach upon that.

Correct. U silly question. I don't know if this is pertinent or not. Can you guys make that a trail? I know that

a trail be made of that. I know that has been done as a conditional approval for a large square footage pipewide project that occurred um with active construction um with portions of construction. I know UGI um in the past has tried to avoid that due to liabilities because UGI owns the property as opposed to and having the insurance versus the public accessing the property. I know the length of it is maintained existing so that way we can do our by-early leak surveys on it as well. Right. Okay.

It actually would be nice to have it from that development down through uh closer to where the the park is where the Norvac Trail is. Yeah. Because there's no there's no way to get from that area. Yeah, but that was approached once before when they were trying to do a trail and usually I said no. Okay. Well, they even put up. Well, and that's un I mean, you know, the liability issue is understandable.

Yeah. There there was more to the situation at the time. A few years ago, we had a subdivision where storm water eroded the line and as part of that was the same time that we were asking for the trail and looking at extensions. We haven't done anything since then, but we we have a settlement agreement and that has since been resolved and that issue was taken care of by the developer who had caused it, but um yeah, no, there's there's a lot of discussion over the years with trail connections and different things. Yeah, it would have been a perfect run all the way over to East Allen Township, you know, and because it went over there by uh Snow Drip before they took the bridge down

pretty much. I mean my understand doesn't this go near the Sheckler Elementary School in Caddy? Is that the There's like a substation behind Race Street. Yeah, there's one on the west side of the river where Pine Street crosses. Yeah. Yep. But yeah, the line continues that way. It feeds over to Whiteall. Yep. The line behind my house is for all intents and purposes a trail. Not that it's used by many people. But there's there are people who bike on it and few people walk on it. Fourwheelers. Uh, no. They're not fourers aren't too bad, aren't they?

I'm sure the these people are happy with their snowmobiles this year, though. They finally get to use them. Yeah. Sorry for the tangent. I just understandable. Yep. All right. Any other questions?

They plan on expanding their service anywhere. So, as developers in residence request service, that's all reviewed on a case-byase basis. Um, currently in UGI's tariff, there is a um portion if there's a customer within 100 ft of a facility, um, the main is automatically extended to serve that new customer. Um however, I know each individual um service line addition or main addition in the roadway um is evaluated based off of customer count and um new facilities customers do have contribution to um so depending on the um contribution cost. Some residents choose to take the additional service, some don't. A lot of the new developments and warehouses pay for upgrades bringing mains where they weren't in the past. Um, and then I know as the new mains are brought across the road and new road frontage past existing residences, they get the option to hook up as well.

Okay. Yeah. When they when they ran the line in in my neighborhood, initially it was going to be $3,600, but they reduced it to $2,100 for hookup for hookup. And I I recovered that in two years, right? I'm sure.

I'm just curious because where I'm at, I know they extended the line down Colony Drive so far and then they stopped and I'm beyond that and I know there's other people that are on propane in my area, but I don't think there's that many. Yeah. The the best option is if there's a bunch of residences that you know that every that they're interested is have everyone call in at the same time because then that all plays into the into the evaluation that one helps the other.

Okay. All right. Any other questions or comments? Have a motion to accept the plan. Um I have I'll move that the plan is administratively complete and we proceed to the next stage. Second motion on the floor by Tom and second by Marty. Roll call, please. Mr. Daniel, yes. Mr. Chamberlain, yes. Mr. Long, yes. Mr. Heming, yes. Mr. Mill, yes. Let the record reflect motion pass. Five votes to none. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you for coming and have a great evening. You too.

Thank you. Okay, moving on. This additional business before the commission, we have discussion of the 2025 annual report. Marty, I didn't see the material. Okay. Um I I think it makes sense to the way that it's slightly simplified. All right. Um but I think that's what you built that synopsis page from. Right. Right. So you you have that electronically. Th this I think I sent it to you. I will check. I didn't see if I did, but Oh, you send it as a PDF. Oh, okay. I'll send it I'll send you the I'll review this and I'll get back to you. I'll send you an email or something. Any changes? Yep. Yep. for the weekend. Yep. Sorry, it took me a while.

Other than that, I will update the report and bring that to our next meeting. It's technically supposed to be done by March, submitted by March, I believe it is, if I recall correctly. It's either March or April. So, um I will bring in the revised report for the next meeting or I'll send it out for distribution for you guys to look at comment on. Um I think I had if I remember last year's uh you trained. Did you get training? I did not get training last year. I need training. You still need training. Okay. Well, that's something to take a look at. I got to update you on my training. So, everybody should send you any training.

If anybody's gone any additional training sessions, you know, like I went to that one for the new developing things that I sent out to y'all. I went to that one. I went to another one and a couple I want to go to again this year. If you guys have gone to any of those, just send them to me so I can put them in the table for everybody. Okay. I completed coursework if that helps. Uh such as geology. He took Yeah, you you took classes in school. Those would count. Yeah, you can put them down. Sure. Related. Yeah. Send them in.

All right. Any other discussion on the annual report? All right. discussion on the planning commission bylaws. Frank and I worked on this a little bit um based on some work we had previously done as a group, kind of went back through it, did some changes, some updates. Um I don't know if you all I I don't think it was uploaded, but it wasn't distributed. So, I just was giving you the hard copies to digest it. I was just going to go over each section of generally what it was and then put it on for the next meeting.

Yeah. So um obviously article one is the name of the commission. Um article two is the authorization. What creates it is the state law and the township ordinance. Membership we did kind of go through um the the five members residency requirements how we would handle vacancies, the number of me members. Um then we go into officers which you just did today and their role. the election of officers um and how that interacts with it, appointed officials and staff and the role that they may have with the board, administrative support um and going through and and working with you, the staff, the actual township staff. Then we do have an attendance policy um for both commission members and staff and professionals. And then we have um meetings. Now, most of this is not something that we came out of and said, "This is what we want." This was based on an example that Jill had provided us from Long Swamp Township. Um, and there's a lot of sections that'll probably be verbatim um if you look at it side by side, but um then the last is our our order of business for our meetings that you can accept grants um any amendments. And then, uh Bob recommended we add the annual report and the training requirements since those are part of it. So, it's not anything that is terribly crazy, but it's more of a guide for your future replacements as they come in that we can say, "Hey, here's how the the commission runs. This is our founding document that goes off of and everybody kind of has the same framework that we're working off of." And and the other part of it too is if people want to submit their names for the planning commission, this is something that they could look at to kind of get a feel for what it is that's expected of them before they ever submit their name rather than submit a name and then come back and go, "Yeah, this is way more than I wanted, you know, and

I'm not interested in after they've been appointed or whatever." So, kind of serves several different purposes for us. Uh just one comment. Um and I'm just seeing this I think for the first time. There's a lot of stuff about communicating to the commission chair and I'm not sure you want to if you want to be informed that Joe can't make it or I can't make it or

Well, actually, uh that's kind of been happening for the most part. people like Art let me know if people aren't going to be here. It's good to know it beforehand, but whether it's myself included doing an email to the township and and myself, that's good to know. Uh because I usually will sometimes get in touch with Angela. Um I don't have a problem with it one way or the other, I don't think. Okay. Yeah, I think for the most part, everybody's been emailing either as a group or emailing Bob, hey, I won't be in attendance. So, that hasn't been an issue. Um, the only thing is usually Joe with his vacations, he's not really telling us if Mark is coming in. Um, I can just tell him that for that meeting he can copy you and if you want that responsibility,

where specifically were you seeing that Marty or Tom? Um, I think it's under the attendance, right? Attendance policy article nine, section A, I think, or I'm sorry, section B. And I saw it somewhere else too. I thought article 8 section B as well. Okay. Um, we could put in there the commission chair um and the township support staff or something to that effect. That way

if one of us doesn't get it, somebody will get it. So people will know it rather than having it singled out there as a single person. And maybe maybe it should be the town the commission chair andor the township secretary and she'll notify you because that way there's not multiple people but she's the one that's going to like if we have a quorum or not and calling. So that's what I said but that's okay. Well you said support staff. if I wanted to designate it to an official like one person not having because that could vary between her and I or somebody else right well I try to refrain from the use of secretary well you know in today's environment because the official title or whatever

it's an official title but if it's an official title that's okay it is the actual official title of her position under the township code okay then then that use the official title okay So if if you're fine like I could put that in a draft that the commission chair and the township secretary and then you guys can coordinate closer to the meeting if we have a quorum or not. Yep. The support staff for the professionals is coming to back up and we talk I mean we talk back and forth. Yeah. Frequently. So yeah this this honestly and that's why I wanted to say this has not been an issue and this is just there because of what they had whether we like this or not. I mean, even the percentage levels,

I think the players could change over time, you know, and and it's good to suck the expectation, right? Sets the expectation and they can be changed over time if something doesn't work out, whatever. Um, so I guess at this point the recommendation is take them home, review them, bring any comments back to the next meeting, and then we'll we'd have to vote to implement them to send them off to uh board of supervisors for approval. I don't see anything about the agenda and who creates it and when it's published and so how it's published and where it's published. There is a section on

article 11 I think on the second to last page but it's just the agenda format. We can tweak that and add those time frames for submissions and when the agenda is prepared and when it's emailed. When I gave the draft to Bob, I really didn't tweak that because I guess while we're here talking about it, does the format of the current meeting work for everybody? Does it make sense the way it is?

I think it works. I I don't think it is confusing. It is confusing to the residents. I can't tell you how many times I see people in other communities wanting to come to our meeting because business is deferred and they see it on our agenda and they're thinking it is actually on the agenda and they're sharing it out. If that's the case, then I would say business not on the on today's agenda. Business not to be discussed or something. Yeah. Just change the wording of it and we can do that. Not for not for this today's meeting or not for the meeting of such and such a date. Yeah. Whatever wording you come up with. Yeah. All right. Yeah. You can't say not on the agenda because it's it's on the agenda.

Yeah. Not to be discussed at this meeting. Well, maybe there's something we can put in like a summary of what it is so that people know, okay, business before is there's going to be somebody present and there could be an expectation that action is taken, right? Business being carried or whatever it's being nobody will be present. No action will be taken. There'll be no discussion. Yeah, we we can do that and then we can add that about the sending the agenda down. Do you want to maybe moving it so you'll have like your business before the commission then general planning commission topics like all your agenda items and maybe just kind of move it down to the end of it. Yeah, we we can tweak this just as a suggestion.

Yeah, move it down out of that area.

Yeah, we'll we'll um we'll reformat this and send out a draft and then if you want we can come back, but I'll if there's any changes you can make it in a word document that we'll send out and just send them back and we can go through them if that works. So, one thing I do, we have agenda and then at the bottom I have like the projects carried over, but it's just like the name and then they'll give like the basic information, time extensions. Um, but it's not part of the agenda. It's at the bottom and that goes to the planning commission. But then when I give the agenda to post on the website, they're not included in it. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually was going to look at

or you can keep it in that format at the bottom just for planning commission that you have it there to cut and paste back up but maybe cut it off after adjournment and not include it on the agenda you're posting. Yeah. with diligent I think we will have to consult taking it and putting it in a separate document that it's like a clickable link because there's a lot of stuff on here that when you go through the packet you're thinking it's there but it's not. Yeah. And you're winding up with a 100page agenda packet and it's only 20 pages of stuff you need. Right. And and we're trying to be transparent in the project so people can see everything for it.

Um but that's something we have to reformat on our end and and maybe that's what we do. We'd come up with a PDF document and then link it to our website of where the most recent stuff is. Yeah. I mean for business being carried really we it started for

so what I do I go in here and I I summarize the the agenda to a single page for myself and then I jot some notes down on at home. What I do for the things being carried is I put the name and the the extension date and that's it. nothing else, you know, just so I know when it then I highlighted in red if it's going to expire kind of a thing. Just something very simple. Um that it's it's on there, we're tracking it, but there's nothing being done about it and we know when the extension or when it's going to expire. I put like an asterk and say if there's a time extension required next to

All right. So, you're going to look at this again to figure out how we can reformat that section of it. so we don't confuse our constituents. Yeah, I'll retweet this and send something out for Monday. And then you're going to add something in here submissions before or expected before. Well, just the format of how they're on when they're placed on the agenda and then when the agenda is posted, the format that we have for the diligent, right, and then the agenda itself and then even the minutes, right? Yeah, that that that was a good suggestion. Okay.

And if the time extension is required, you can that maybe under your agenda items and maybe it's you know planning like subdivision planning right items and then I have additional items and then time extensions go down there that it's not on the agenda for discussion just solely for time extension right and and and actually it should be on business before the commission because we need to take action on it so have sub yeah subdivision land developments and that and then that under. Yeah. Another category, additional items for consideration. That's a good point.

All right. Any other questions, comments? Um, under the training part. Okay. Yep. It said new people appointed 3 hours within 6 months. Yep. That sounds all good and dandy if there's training available. Yeah. No, that that is something that has been an issue and it seems the training that we have is pretty much the same training. Um, so I think it's actually in the ordinance. It is. Yes. And maybe that's where when we do all of our updates that we have to change that out of the ordinance.

Well, and and this one here, keep in mind, planning commission members shall obtain three hours of training within the first six months. Maybe it should be within a year because those those LDPC planning trained those are how many hours? Those are what? Six hours or something. You're going three hours. Some are nine, some are 12. Yeah. They're like train. So you go to one one of those planning or zoning or whatever, you're going to get more than enough in that first period of time. And they try to give at least one of those every year if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct?

They do. And and I but I think the problem that becomes challenging is they're all in a row. You have to attend them consecutively then take the test and they send they tend to be in the summertime where people are on vacation. So maybe what I would suggest for the training requirements is if you're looking at it your first two years or the halfway point of your term, you have to complete at least three or six hours of training. If you do the six, you're going to complete the basic one of those courses in either subdivision, zoning, zoning administration, or community planning. And if you didn't do anything at that point, you're probably not interested in being on the board after two years. And the next two years, you're just going to kind of coast through.

Well, and the other part is the Rehab Alley Planning Commission has training. LTAP has training. Yeah, there are various there there's a bunch of different types of trainings whether they're in person down at the LDPC building or whether they're webinars. I mean, there are opportunities. You and I went to a couple of them like for transportation. Yeah. I even went to one of the MI trains down in Landdale. Landdale, right? So you could you could actually you could tra I mean it it's kind of a pain to drive down there for 40 minutes.

What is frustrating with the PMPI courses is there's no reason that they couldn't be a virtual and have more of an interactive component to it to keep people accountable for taking the test. And the way they take the test in the end is not like it's an open book kind of situation. So it's not like a they're not doing a test anymore. No, I don't remember. So they don't do the test. No, they don't remember a test. I went I went they did no end of the course test and the guy said it was they changed it. Okay. So everybody passes now. Everybody gets a trophy. Okay. Participation gets a trophy. All right.

You attend it. participation certificate. You you might want to consider modifying the word training. Um I don't want to go overboard with it, but I would say my geology course was just as beneficial for this planning commission as or my biology 2 course or something. Yeah, I think we've always any type of educational format and we've never checked this or we've never

we've never held anybody to the standard. It's just more kind of a tool of, hey, are you interested in this or you're not? And so far, we've been fortunate that pretty much everybody has, with the exception of maybe one member since I've been here since 2018. No, it wasn't you. No, it was none of the current members. So, um, no, and I think that was more of a work commitment and I think it was an expectation that what tends to happen is I think every single one of you except for Bob Mills has started on his own hearing board and somehow you didn't like and I'm the only one that started off as a supervisor and you went backwards. Who is it really?

But uh but yeah, so I had to live through Stanley and what was her name? Darin. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Oh yeah, that was good. All right, you're still on the record. Any other questions or comments about the planning commission? Milo Brent action is going to be going to take these back, rework some of it and come up with a little bit better wording for the standard agenda and then we'll provide

description and then provide some updates on the attendance policy statement and send that out and we'll give you the feedback on that. Looking adopt something by at the next meeting potentially. All right, any other questions or Oh, um I do have a question or a comment or discussion point before we move on. This is something we talked about at multiple different times and it just came up again where a tractor trailer was traveling westbound on 22 and a car was traveling eastbound on 22. Ice flew off the tractor trailer and hit through the windshield of the car traveling in the opposite direction again. Um, I was just going 22 today and I'm watching the stuff flying off of a tractor trailer. Um, we don't have anything in our ordinances that specify this. It is now a law where they can be stopped for any reason for that particular reason and find $50 and if something comes off and damages or injures a person, it could be a $1,500 fine. We talked about this before and then I remember Jim bringing it up about well, you know, how do you legislate um uh supermarkets where they have tractor trailers that come in and go out? They're not really a a heavy duty location, right? Like where you got 20 or 30 tractor trailers on the premises at any one time, right? And I was thinking maybe we should do something where it's there's a certain number of for tractor trailers. There should be a requirement to have some type of snow removal facility on site. Um like a truck stop for instance, do you

have a truck stop going in some place? Should that be required to have a snow removal facility? Um like a rudders or someplace where you've got trucks overnight staying there, you know, truck. Well, I think that's the the key distinction is they have enough that it's an actual more than one or two that are there and that they're staying overnight where there's a potential where there's snow or ice coming down and they're overnight and then they have to clean it.

Right. And that's that's you know again I thought about this I I agreed with what Jim said. How do you really manage this and I thought about it again over time especially with this most recent event. I thought maybe there needs to be a a threshold, right? A threshold whether it's overnight, whether it's a certain number, whether it's overnight and a certain number of uh spots or something. But again, if if I look at it this way, if you have a law, you don't enforce it, which sense to have in the law, right? Should have a law. And this is an issue and we do have it a lot with a lot of the tractor trailers here. and and I don't know who does or doesn't do stuff about it, but this is something I think we can do something about. I'm just throwing it out there. Give it some thought, whatever, if you should put something in or not. Appreciate whatever feedback you may have. I mean, I'm I'm just not going to make the decision myself, but as a truck driver on TV said, I ain't climbing up there and doing that.

I'm not asking them to. I know, but if they have a facility that has it, then they should use it. They should use it. So, I I do that this topic came up more than once, I think, when we were talking through the zoning changes. Um, did I'm sorry for my memory, but did that make it into the zoning ordinance changes? We have done nothing. I think it's in there. I just don't know what it is. There is something that is in

I know we talked about it. it it's not in a specific section for use, but it's under the miscellaneous provisions, but I don't think it's a quantifiable and it's more under the truck loading where they have truckloading areas. Okay. Well, it seems like we just did not get to discussion on that specific know we talked about.

Yes, there's been multiple discussions on it. uh in multiple different scenarios and situations. Um again, you know, it's hard to implement, but how do you implement it? How do you create a governance on it? And I guess what I finally thought about was if there's a certain number of locations, parking spaces, and it's an overnight scenario, maybe that becomes the threshold where you say if you're building something new, it needs to be there if it, you know, all right, that's it. Any other items for discussion? All right, moving on. We have business being carried. down an elderly housing text amendment.

So, we talked about them coming back to have a meeting with the planning commission at the last meeting they were present at. Yes, we did. Who wants to be the one or two people involved in that discussion so we can set up the meeting with them? It obviously can't be everybody. So, I just one or two. I'd be happy to. Bob, are you Marty? Well, I would more than one of us should be there. Well, I I would let you do it if if it was going to just be two people. You're you're interested to do it. I mean, yeah. I think you'll bring a perspective. I won't based on

Yeah. As you know, I'm very strongly in favor of this proposal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and not not that I'm not, but yeah, I I would be willing to to join in as well. All right. I will talk to you after the meeting. I just need some general dates so we can set this up because we now have all of our support staff, but then we have the two planning commission members, the fire department and their whole team. Right.

So, all right. All right. Moving on. 67 Jack Road minor subdivision south 2025-005. Uh the plan expires February 28th, 2026 means it will expire before our next meeting. And they have an extension. Yes, we did get one. We got an extension May 31st 26

2026. I would suspect they're going to be in here not too long because they're probably going to want to get moving on their properties. But I think they have to do sewage testing which they cannot do right now. That's their stuff and they have to negotiate with the HOA and the county. I'm I'm with the wrong place. I'm at the My Wrong location. Not here. Over there.

Yeah. No, I was thinking of the ones on Steen Road for some stupid reason. Even though it says Jacksonville Road. All right, moving on. Oh, in any case, no action required for the by the by the commission uh on that item. Moving on to shielded binder subdivision south 2024.4 plans fires 331 2026. No action is required. The next item is East Allen convenience store fueling and viewing at 6500 Hville Road preliminary plan-6 that expires May 31st 2026. No action required by planning commission. And we have next wood major subdivision preliminary plan 23-0000 plan expires June 30th 26 required by the board of planning commission. And then we have last but not least 6821 Steven Road subdivision sal3 plan expires January 31st 2027 no actions required by the planning commissions. The only thing we didn't do is are we going to keep our meetings on this Thursday, first Thursday of every month at 7 o'

I thought you did that in December. Did we? Yeah, we did because we talked about the time change. Stand where it is. We got it. We got it ahead of the curve. That's right. All right. Questions, comments, uh public comment. Let the record reflect that there is no public at all this time. Any other questions or comments, gentlemen? I have a recommendation to adjourn. Make a motion we have a motion from second. Second by Marty. All in favor say I. I. I.

I. I. Let the record reflect the motion. has five votes to none. I don't know if you know the um they call it the man cave at um Hannahville airport it is yes there's a um handicap spot so it's not really a man man cave so it is a self storage business that's the only way they could permit it unless a variant this is currently so they had to require that that's what they're Yeah. And then they have to have ED