Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Good evening, commissioners, city staff, citizens, stakeholders, and stakeholders Dupont. Welcome to the city of Dupont Plan Commission meeting for the 13th of January, 2026. For those attending uh for the first time or listening in via YouTube and Zoom, my name is John Holdman. I'm sitting in for Melinda Scout. The planning commission is a body of volunteer citizens who serve as advisers to the mayor and city council. Our delegated authorities to maintain the city's comprehensive plan uh and land news codes consistent with the Washington management act. Meetings of the planning commission are open public meetings and they are being recorded. There are opportunities for members of the community to address the planning commission. instructions on how to make a public comment are on the city website before we continue.

Thank you. Do you mind if I take your

So, you'll notice that um Commissioner Coleman mentioned that he was sitting in for Melinda Scow. Melinda has been appointed by the mayor to be our new chair. But is the gavl here? Unfortunately, Melinda isn't here because you were going to pass the gavl. So, I've invited our Jeffrey Fo. Um, I'd like to have you come up if you would. And Zach, do you have your camera? Can you take a picture? I have or your phone? I have my phone if you don't. Okay. Thanks. So, thank you for all of the years. You had five years on the planning commission.

My pleasure. I think you've been without the best planning commissioner chair I've ever had and I've had a lot of them. So, thank you. Thank you. That'll give the Kodak moment. Get it. So again, we are just so appreciative of you. You just did some amazing work for us.

Well, nobody goes alone, you know, and so to the planning commissioners, thank you. Uh it was a pleasure working with each and every one of you. I wish you nothing but the best. Um you know, we've set the conditions for the city. the city will have the lasting impacts of the work that we did for the next 15 to 20 years with the old Fort Lake plan and certainly the next 10 years with the comprehensive plan that you guys are about to finish. So, it was a pleasure working with you. I look forward to maintaining our friendships and uh I wish you nothing but the best. Thank you. And thank you, Director King.

Well, you really had a lot of good work and a lot of hard work and you were there at the helm. So, thank you. Five years, six in total. Six in total. Five years is the chair. Six. That's right. Thank you for coming tonight. We really wanted to make sure that we said farewell and gave you how much we appreciated you. Thank you to Zach Leay for all the hard work that he does. So, he's that behind thescenes guy that's making everything work. So, God bless you, sir. All right. Well, happy retirement. You you you can still watch us on, you know, YouTube.

So then I just want to make one other quick announcement um before we get into the agenda. And uh you notice someone sitting here, a new face. This is um Mr. Greg Butler. Uh Greg is going to be our new he's going to fill the vacancy and volunteer to serve on the planning commission tomorrow. Um the the mayor will bring his confirmation to the city council and so we'll expect to see Greg with a name tag in February.

Craig or Greg with a G. Okay. Commissioner Chase present. Commissioner Brolles and Chair Scow. Uh, she's out. Um, excuse your actions. I'll second that if that was a motion that you were making. As I'm not the chair, can I make a motion?

You are filling in as the chair. So, you can't cannot make the motion. Okay. So, yeah, we would need a motion. Excuse vice chair. I'll second it. Okay, we got a motion and a second to excuse Vice Chair Scow. Uh, is there any further discussion? Well, one minute though. Oh, good. We do have Commissioner Lynch here. I was just doing the I was just doing the head count for making sure that we had a quorum to do business. Are you able to hear us, Commissioner Lynch? I'm here. Oh, excellent. Okay, we do have a quorum. Good. Because Go ahead. So, we can make that motion.

Okay. So, we have a motion and a second to uh approve uh Melinda Scow's absence. Is there any further discussion on the matter? If not, we'll put it to a vote. All those in favor of approving her uh excused absence say I. I. All those opposed say nay. And it is unanimous. Her absence has been excused. Commissioner Lynch here. Commissioner Coin present. Commissioner Henry

present. All right. Uh item number three, um public comments. Um are there any public comments uh out in the forum? Um are there any uh Mr. Leay on online? No one online except Commissioner Lynch. Okay. So, we'll move on to item number four then, approval of the agenda. Um I would entertain a motion to approve tonight's agenda. I move that we accept uh the agenda for this evening as written. And is there a second? I second the motion.

All right, we have a motion and a second to approve tonight's agenda as written. Is there any uh further discussion? If not, we'll put it to the vote. All those in favor of approving tonight's agenda as written, say I. I. I.

All those opposed say nay. And the agenda is approved and move on to item number five. Uh approval of uh the minutes of 18 no I'm sorry 8 December. Uh I didn't write that down. Um I take a motion to approve the minutes of 8 December uh 2025 as written. I'll move acceptance of the minutes of the 8th of December, 20 second.

All right, we got a motion in a second. Uh, is there any further discussion? If not, then uh we'll put it to a vote. All those in favor of approving the minutes of 8 December 2025 as written, say I. I. I. All those opposed say nay. Any minutes are approved and move on to item number six. Um Barb, please.

So we need to uh elect a new vice chair. So um do we have any nominations for who we would like to elect as the vice chair? Melinda Scow, our previous vice chair, is now our chair. So we and every year we we we renominate for a vice chair, but now we don't even have have one, so we need to do that. So please I um would would you open the floor for nominations?

Yes. Um anyone wish to nominate uh a commissioner as vice chair? Floor is open for nominations and I would self-nominate. I nominate John Coven. Oh, mic, please. I nominate Commissioner Coven. Any any other nominations? [laughter] Um, if not, uh, then, uh, Commissioner Lynch, did you have a nomination?

Uh, that would be Mr. Culvin. [laughter] I I move that we close nominations quickly. [laughter] Motion nominations. Do we need to take a vote? Uh myself as the uh vice chair. Is there any uh is there a second? We have to a motion to approve John Culvin, Commissioner Coven, as your vice chair. Second that motion. Who wants to make the first motion? Oh, um Lee, I think made the motion. Did you make the motion, Lee? Okay. Thank you. Yeah, you made the motion. So,

you closed closed the nominations and made a motion. Board. Yeah. Thank you.

I second the motion. We have a motion and a second to uh appoint me as the um vice chair of planning commission. Is there any further discussion on the matter? If not, then we'll put it to the vote. All those in favor of uh me being the vice chair for the planning commission say I. I. All those opposed say nay. And it was approved unanimously. Great. Thank you so much for volunteering to do this again. We really appreciate it.

Yes, ma'am. So we move into 6.2. Yeah, please.

So 6.2 is our item of business tonight and um Mr. is going to bring up the a PowerPoint and uh you also will recognize uh on you've got a paper copy dated January 4th from um from a Mr. Steven Kerna. That is a public comment that I believe you'll hear um at the end of this discussion. Um but he also wanted to wanted you to have this information um in writing as well. So, what we're um here to do tonight is pick up our next exciting piece of work. You know that once we uh completed the comprehensive plan update, which is our goals and policies, um we have a bunch of code amendments to work on. So, this is one code amendment. Next slide, please. that is really just a small piece um and fairly straightforward. It's um some amendments for the electrical vehicle electric vehicle or EV charging stations. So, let me just go to the next slide um and talk a little bit about um tonight just to make sure that you have all of the information, you know, and that we can discuss uh discuss this um before we go into actually preparing code amendments and holding a hearing. So, I'm going to talk a little briefly about the background, the DMC provisions, some details about charging station, and then discuss what um what I would recommend we we amend the code to read, and then we can talk about that. Next slide, please.

So, in um 2009, the legislature uh passed House Bill 1481. Um and this was about the um you know, the electric highway. It was all big. We were really focusing on trying to make sure that we were uh having a smooth transition away from fossil fuels to electric vehicles. Um so this bill passed in 2009 was really intended to encourage the use of EV be able to expedite convenient EV infrastructure development to just move that trans that transition forward. So the department Washington state department of commerce developed model ordinance development regulations and guidance for the sighting and installation of EV infrastructure aka the charging stations. Um the law requires that local governments allow charging stations um and EV infrastructure as a use in all zones except those zoned for residential resource or critical areas. So that's kind of a summary of where we are today from that bill. Next slide, please. So um in 2011, we did adopt an ordinance to uh comply with the 2009 legislature in DuPont. So we created a new chapter in our DuPont municipal code, our DMC, which is chapter 25126. We included the definitions provided by the commerce model ordinance in uh DMC chapter 2510. That's where all of our definitions are housed. Um and in that code amendment in 2011 code amendment we made EV charging

stations allowable as accessory uses in the commercial community business mixeduse zones. we have two an industrial zone. So that's what we um implemented in 2011. It's it's an allowed use, but it has to be an accessory use to a primary use. We did not um enact them uh any allowance for them in the residential zoning districts or in the open space. The old Fort Lakes sub area, which we just passed in and uh codified in the DMC chapter 2558, currently uh permits the use of EV charging stations outright in all of the zoning districts. So you see we have a little bit of incompatibility and a little bit of perhaps um what I view as um inconsistency with the intent intent of the legislature. Next slide. So, let me give a little bit of background on charging station details because I think this will kind of help us have a a well-rounded context as we go into the discussion. So, there are three types of charging levels. A level one is considered a slow charging and that's uh your required you know 15 20 amp circuit breaker, a standard outlet. It might be what someone at home would install if they had an electric vehicle. The level two is a medium charger and it's a 40 amp to 100 amp circuit breaker on 240. So you're still going to see that as um not necessarily um a large user. um it's doesn't charge as fast and it's um probably going to be more in terms of uh a fleet of vehicles for a business to be able to have a fleet and have a way to charge their their

vehicles. And then you have the level three which is a faster rapid charging and this is a 60 amp or higher. It's a dedicated circuit breaker 480 volts or higher three-phase circuit special grounding equipment. So now you're talking about infrastructure um for these faster or rapid charging stations and these are becoming an item in terms of um creating them for public use along um highways and freeways to be able to people motoring uh folks pull off, charge it up, and keep going. that it's a way to allow people to actually use an electric vehicle to to travel.

Can I ask a question, please? There's some charging um stations in front of the old ACE. So, is that was that a level two? Do you know? Okay. Yep. Any other questions? Yeah, I guess I do have a question. We talk about or you talk about charging stations

and there's other than these levels there's nothing about resident what constitutes a charging station and so I'm concerned because we say no no charging stations in residential areas and then we talk about oh the level one charging station is residential. Level two could even be residential. These are they can't have res can't have it residential.

Well, no, this is from the model code. This is commerce's definitions which we would be basically adopting but we didn't actually we didn't prohibit them in residential but there the code does not mention any type of charging station. Okay. I was just so our code work will have to be very specific is where I'm going with this. I guess where I was going was that people in residential areas that are charging their electric vehicles need not to worry about whatever's written because they can still do it. My neighbor in the in the historic village is doing that right now, right?

Um I would hate to see us say, "Well, that's No, no, no, no. That's that's that's not not the intent at all." But it is to make sure that we understand and can differentiate between what you just said and the allowance of a rapid charger and a sighting of one. And I think the the real difference is going to come down as to whether you are whether this is for um whether the user is paying for the service. No, it's going to come down to these definitions. And that's why I want to be so careful that we have those definitions.

I'm just saying I know that there are some people with level two chargers that are in residential and and they would be fine in residential too. I want to make sure that Yeah. We're not excluding No, no. Level one and level two level residential. No, because it's not uh it's not, you know, unusual for us to have two 240 volt um power in our homes. Isn't that giving the resident Exactly. Isn't that giving the resident the homeowner an option because you know that they want level one or two because they depending upon how rapidly they want their car charged.

Exactly. And so what we would be what you will be seeing is a level one and a level two as considered residential use or really what the model code says and what I will be preparing and bringing to you is that that level one and level two are allowed everywhere. Okay. So we're not precluding those from from anywhere. But I think we want to have a discussion about where we think it's appropriate to site level 3es.

Yeah. [cough and clears throat] And so here we go. So um the discussion here is um to amend the DMC to allow all levels of an EV charging station. So one, two or three um as outrighted permitted. So not an accessory use. This is what I'm proposing. not an accessory use um but allowed uh primary use in and so this would be amending DMC 2520 the commercial district 2527 the community business the two mixed uses 25352536 and industrial 2550 zones I would be if you agree with me would be bringing to you a code amendment that would say that an EV char all levels of EV charging stations are allowable as an outright permitted use in these zones. The next thing I would be bringing, if you agree with me, is that I'd make sure that the DMC is clear that we allow level one and two charging stations outright in all residential districts. so that there's no question or concern um about that. The other thing would be to um I think to make it consistent amend the old Fort Lake sub area in 2558 uh where we would be removing the level three charging stations from the residential zones for consistency and then uh updating the definitions in 2510. Now, the actual EV charging chapter is pretty good. It was consistent with that model ordinance. There's not much work that needs to be done, but it was just in the implementing of these zones where I

think that we need to tweak it um so that it's allowed. It doesn't have to be an accessory use in those commercial zones. So, that's the discussion. Would you explain accessory use? What does that mean? An accessory means that it is Okay. So, in your res residential, an accessory use right now in the code says it's like your it's like a garage.

Um, an accessory use in these other zones um is something that is an allowed use. So, it's very vague about what that allowed use is, but the accessory piece is that it can't stand alone on that property without a primary use. So, think about you have a store, convenience store. That's the primary permitted use. If you wanted to have um a gas station, that could be an accessory to that use or a car wash accessory. So, it's going to be um an auxiliary, think it as an auxiliary use to something that is already the the primary use of the land.

Okay. Thank you. I have a question. Um whose responsibility is it before installing a level three uh charger to do the analysis on the maximum draw uh on this on for the chargers um you know uh before we have to start upgrading the grid or upgrading our um infrastructure just to handle the amount of draw because we have a limited amount of electricity.

Um so who who does that analysis? Well, we would be requiring that and that's something where we're going to want to look at make sure that the um requirements um for um permitting that use in the EV charging station that we're requiring they submit uh evidence that they would they being the proponent of citing and in developing a level three charging station would be required to provide the city with the documentation ation that there's evidence um from our you know Puget Sound regional or Puget Sound um energy would be sending a memo sim similar to how we do sewer now. So, we're not sewer purveyor, but when we approve uh a new use, we require that this pug, boy, I got my P's mixed up here. Pierce County sewer is sending us a memo for the fi file that it's okay. And that's that that would be very similar. We would be requiring that.

Would that be for every level three charger or Yeah. Okay. Yeah. for them to get the for them to get uh the permitted use because they still have to go through the permit process. So, I don't want to say that there's no permit process. When I say allowable outright, it's it still has to go through a permit.

And then, um going to level one and level two charges in residential uses. um is the homeowner um required or are they just encouraged um to uh get the analysis done for those chargers? Because again, you're putting a draw on on that uh on that house. And if that house doesn't have the ability to handle that much uh wattage going through those uh electrical lines, now you've got a house fire,

right? And so in DuPont, we do not do our own electrical permitting. It's the Washington State Labor and Industry, LNI. So, that is something that we're completely removed from. So, if homeowner wants to put in a um you know, an EV charging um plug or outlet in their home, they would need to get a permit through LNI and that would require the inspection and that would be where they would know whether or not it was um safe for them to do that. Good questions. Thank you. So, um, with these charging stations, would parking have to be set aside or would it be restricted or how would that work? And so, with these charging stations, they're very they're starting to there's a lot more interest. And so, what they really are is kind of like um, you're right, parking stalls that have the charging unit there. And so would we require a certain number of them? I would think not because that would really be up to the investor developer how many parking stalls and EV stations they actually need to build to make that pencil out. So, let's let's seeing Commissioner Merles brought up the the charging stations at at the former ACE.

Mhm. I would have to believe that when that building and that whole complex around that parking lot was approved, it based on the size of the buildings and the and the use of the buildings, there had to be so many parking spots. Yeah, we do have parking requirements. Yeah. Yeah. Then when you take the two or three or four parking spots away, and I think maybe this is the direction you were going, Commissioner, when you take those away, do we then look and see whether there's adequate parking?

Yeah. So, I think what you're describing in this case is that that the Ace Hardware parking um excuse me, charging stations were an accessory used to the Ace Hardware store,

right? So in that scene, we would in our and we do need to do our parking code next by the way because it's a mess. But we would want to make sure that in that scenario that they cannot count the EV charging parking spaces to fulfill their required parking spaces for the business. But in what we're talking about now is this would not there would not it would not be an accessory. It would be just the use. You were just pulling off and you were driving into an EV charging lot basically that's going to you're going to pull into a parking spot. You're going to plug your vehicle in and there is no other thing there to go visit that needs to have parking.

Okay. So maybe a you might want a picnic bench because you're going to have to otherwise sit in your car while it charges, right? Yeah. So if we were to have a level three if we had level three charging stations in the city, are we talking like a one standalone or just Okay, that's what we're talking about. Standalone, not an accessory like the Ace. Standalone. That's what it is. But it's one car or multiple cars. It would be multiple cars. Yeah, we're talking

Are we Because we've never talked about like designating any type of property for a charging station, which would No. And that's where we're getting into the districts, the zoning districts, and being able to amend the zoning districts for that to be included as an allowed primary use. Okay. Yeah. So you wouldn't be designating that specifically. We're just saying in commercial in mixed use this is an allowed use along with all the other things. Okay. So that person whoever builds it landscaping all of that they would be responsible

they have to follow you know subject to the landscaping requirements. Yes. All of those things and a site plan. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

These are great questions. I'm glad we're having this discussion now actually um because I think it really helps. Yeah. So, I guess what I'm looking for here is a level of comfort to move ahead to the next steps, which would be um wanting to get a hearing set for February 9th meeting. And I would be giving the packet with these amendments that we just described for you to have for the public to have for the public to come in and provide input at the hearing.

I'm good with that. [clears throat and cough] I'm I'm seeing a lot of head knots.

Okay, good. So that that's what I had tonight. And then you know this packet of material um the gentleman is here when we when we go to um public comment that he's here to sort of he's the person who had brought this to my attention that hey he's got somebody that's interested in coming into DuPont and uh constructing an EV charging station. And I thought it would be helpful for him to give you the other side on the regulatory side. I'm telling you this is what our code what I believe our code needs to be amended to to fulfill the intent of the legislature. Um I'm obviously not you know what what developers have is is completely separate where um but it's also helpful for you I know to be able to tap into and ask questions the kind of industry questions that I don't get involved in. So um that's all I had on the presentation tonight. All right. Um, then I guess we'll move on to item seven, public comments. So, is there anyone

Is there a mic up there? Okay. Yeah. Just go ahead and and uh Stephen, press the button there on the mic and there's the green lights on. Green light. Yeah. Now it's on. Yep. Yeah. Good job. You state your name.

I used to I'm Steve Kern. I used to sit in front of this guy in church. So, [laughter] him and Samantha. Um, okay. So, I I'll flesh it out all the way. Uh, I'm co-owner of some property right next to Starbucks at exit 119. It's the vacant lot that's been bare for 10 or 15 years. Uh, we finally have a prospective tenant. You know, we've been paying property taxes steadily for all this time and we've had several possible entities. We've had everything from Lew Schwab to Taco Bell be interested in the in the land. But right now we have a a group called Iona which is a nationally based firm that was approached by General Motors and the former Chrysler Corporation and BMW and Kia and Hyundai to create charging stations nationally. Their goal is to put in 30,000 of these across the United States over the next uh 5 to 10 years. So they're an experienced firm. To address your question, before they can even plan anything out, the first thing they had to do was go to Puget Sound Energy and find out how much power they can draw off the grid. They were told you can pull off 1,700 kilowatts. And so they designed a station where there'll be six 400 uh kilowatt transformers because let me just tell you the difference between a level two station and a level three station. A level two station delivers 20,000 kilowatts to the car. A level three station delivers between 200,000 and 300,000 kilowatts to the car. And that's why you can charge up a car in about 15 minutes when you're at a level three station. The reason why level three stations are important is that if you're trying to make a trip on the interstate, you don't want to spend all day charging. Let me tell you, DuPont's in a great situation right now because there is a DuPont uh utility tax on electricity. So, it's not like we're you

guys will be left out without getting any revenues from this. Um, DuPont sits at exit 119. The nearest high-speed easy on easy off station to the north is at exit 129. The nearest easy on easy off station to the south is down at exit 99. So, there's actually a 30 mile stretch of I5 with no easy on easy off station. And when they get done fixing the exit 119, the first thing you're going to run into when you get off and go around that roundabout is Starbucks followed by this EV charging station. So it really complements that little development nicely. Environmentally, it has like a almost as small a footprint as you can possibly have. They've sized it at 11, I mean at 12 possible stations, and that's the limit of what the grid can support. So you don't have to worry about any, you know, brown outs or blackouts in the grid. I mean, they've done their homework because they've done this across the nation. So, um, all I can say is that I I I would love to see DuPont take advantage of this because I'll guarantee you the first thing they'll notice an increase in business will be Starbucks because people coming in there will go in and use the bathrooms and buy a coffee, but then they might also say, "Well, let's go to Fllis and have a pizza or whatever." So, I think that it makes sense. You've got a 30 mile dead zone. If we had 30 mi on the interstate with no gas stations, uh that would be a pretty big deal. You don't have that. But we do have a 30 mile stretch with no easy on, easy off uh EV charging stations. uh she went into the law and I'll just say that it's true that in 2009 there was an RCW pass that mandates that any community along I5 I90 or I405 uh must allow EV charging state electric

vehicle infrastructure uh if you're right alongside the interstate. Uh, but there's also a sentence in there that you can't have permits and or permitting regulations that discourage the placement of EV charging stations. And in this case, Iona, when they found out that they could only put in a station if they had to build a store, if they had to build a picnic area or whatever, that's not in their business plan. And in fact, as opposed to gas stations, at least twothirds of all the EV charging stations in the United States do not have accessory uh things on the lot. You just drive in, charge up, and go away. But the cool thing about this particular place is or this particular entity is as compared to most EV charging stations which uh you drive up and you get out in the rain and you plug in the plug. I mean, they're going to build canopies over all their plugs so motorists can, you know, get out in in the Northwest and not have to put up with rain while they've got a a 200,000 watt plug in their hand. [laughter] So, that's uh if you have any more questions about what we're trying to do, you're welcome to ask them. Yes.

Is there noise? Is there a noise level? There's it's silent or pretty quiet. Oh, it's Yeah, there's no noise from an EV charging station. Okay. Zero. You know, people just pull in and plug in and then go get a coffee and come back and leave. And there's no fumes. That's why I say environmentally, I mean, no noise, no emissions. Um, I can't think of a less obtrusive use than an EV charging station. Any other questions? Yes. So, the location I'm I have a hard time with maps. So, um So, where is this at? Exit exit 119, you've got a Hilton and you've got a uh Hampton.

Oh, okay. Okay. And that's on one side. And then on the other side at exit 119, you've got a Starbucks. Yes. Okay. And there's a vacant lot right in between those two entities. Oh, okay. It's been vacant for It's been vacant for 15 or 20 years. Uh, as I say, other folks were interested, but in the in the end, they walked away. This is the first and in fact, if they're allowed to get full permitting, they've already got I mean, I've seen the drawings. You've seen some of the drawings. They're ready to go ahead. It It'll be good for DuPont. It'll be good for DuPont businesses. And how quickly would they be able to get it up and running? They have

Well, I think that that I mean, that would be a question she'd have to answer. in terms of the permitting process, but I would think I would hope uh let's let's game it out. If the city council says, "Yeah, we need to change the code." I would hope within 6 months it's up and running. What do you think?

Well, I mean, I think that it'd be a fairly straightforward permit process. We are going to require, of course, the the all the prerequisites. We mentioned that they would need to provide that evidence um that they have uh the power supply they need. They would need to demonstrate that their site plan complies with landscaping. They would have to tell us uh what the transportation impacts are going to be if there's any mitigation needed for that. So you you know that's fairly straightforward. I would bet that they've done this before and they know the drill. So I would think that that would be smooth in terms of uh the permitting process. And with it being by the hotels, do we have to get buy in from those hotels for any noise or anything?

Do we have?

No, but the process allows. So this is a process that you don't planning commission obviously doesn't get involved in nor the city council once it gets to the permit stage. Um, the state law requires that when I get their permit in, um, I would have to go out and have them post the property and I would have to send all adjacent property owners a notice that this developer wants to locate and then give that entity uh, um, the opportunity to send me a comment if they had concerns or if they had So therefore, that's how you involve the adjacent the hotels and things in the process. I I was going to say I think that the the the major issue to this project would be transportation. Um if you think about it, there's

access there's only one way that allows two-way two-way access presently to get into that area. Can I comment on that? What? Oh, can I comment on that? Sure. I'm just saying I'm stating a fact because one of station one part of station drive you can only make a right a right-hand turn when you go out of it but on the other one you can make a left and right.

That that's what I need to comment on. When when the roundabout is completed the Department of Transportation is ripping out that median that goes between um Barksdale intersection and the roundabout. So, there will be two-way entrance and exits from both aspects of Barksdale. I would assume then that they're going to resurface that entire section. Um, that's up to DOT. I can't answer them.

Well, we have a 119 presentation on the city council agenda coming up and they're going to go over all that. So, I'll make sure you guys have the date. And the other issue that I would see with transportation would certainly be [clears throat] Starbucks drive-thru if you've been up there at any reasonable hour. Um they're out into so drive. Those would definitely be something that we would um part of the permit process review process is a transportation impact analysis, a TIA. And that's all going to come out in that. And I was going to say, yeah,

as long as we also look at parking, seeing at times there's not adequate or my vision there's not adequate parking in that area. If you're using any of the existing services, I'm not against it. I'll I I think that's wonderful. I just think that there's some issues that need to be [clears throat] looked at and I think I've given you a couple of

and so I think in terms of the code work that we're working on is we do want to make sure that um the code is not ambiguous about what we would be expecting to see um in terms of a complete uh project for permitting purposes. Thank you.

Well, thank you for coming and um I'm sure that that always helps. I know that they um we talk about the policies and the goals, we talk about the the regulations, but it's always kind of nice to have the um people that are on the development side come and talk as well. So, thank you very much. Thank you for your presentation. Um, is there anyone else with public comments? Anyone online with public comments? No, no one online.

All right. Um, so we'll move on to item number eight. Uh, planning commissioners comments. Anybody have any comments? Any alibis? I would like to say that uh greatly appreciated working with Jeff and uh he had a you know exhibited some really good leadership um and he will definitely be missed and I'm kind of excited to see Melinda come on and um you know heckle her a little bit. So um and we do still have a vacancy so Oh yes.

Well we'll have just one because Mr. Butler will be filling one of them, but we are still going to have one vacancy. So, let's all send messages out and and see if we can find someone who would like to apply for the position. It's a lot of fun. You can tell them how much fun you've had in the last two years on the DuPont Planning Commission. I wouldn't say fun, but I feel like it was these finishing the comprehensive plan and especially the old for like that was that was rewarding. Yeah. Yeah. That was it's definitely been an experience. Yeah. But it wasn't fun. [laughter]

All right. Well, uh if there's no other comments, then uh we will move to adjourn the meeting at 1916. Thank you all