City Council - Regular Meeting

Seeing no objection, the uh meeting is called to order. Councilwoman Harris, if you could lead us in the invocation. All those who are able, please rise. At this meeting, help us to make decisions which keep us faithful to our mission and reflect our values. Give us strength to hold to our purpose, wisdom to guide us, and a keen perception to lead us. And above all, keep us charitable as we deliberate. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Chief Carlson, I think you're up next, I think. Yep. Good evening, mayor and council. I'd like to call up officers Jonathan Coachman and officer Jameson Pollen to the podium, please.

All right, so I'll start to your left, Jonathan Coachman. Officer Coachman joined our team on March 12th of this year from Gwinnet County Police Department where he worked as a police officer since September of 25. He also has previous experience as a probation and parole officer for Alabama pardons and paroles as well as police officer Ozark and Opelica police departments. Uh Jonathan holds a bachelor's degree in justice and public policy from Concordia University. And our second edition, uh Jameson Pollen, Officer Pollen joined our team on March 18th of this year from the Kennesaw Police Department where he worked as a reserve officer since March of 25. He also has previous experience as a police officer for Cobb County Police Department from 2020 to 2022. He has also served in both the US Army and US Navy. And at this time, Mayor, if you would come down and please swear them in. Hey, how's it going? you'll just um if you'll just raise your right hand please and then just repeat after me. I state your name. I, Joseph,

hereby swear or affirm that I will faithfully, fairly, and without malice. Hereby swear affirm that I will faithfully without malice or partiality uphold the laws of the state of Georgia. Or partiality uphold the state of Georgia. as well as any ordinances which I am authorized as well as any ordinances I am author I am authorized to enforce to the best of my ability to enforce in the best of my ability to the best of my ability and support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of Georgia and support defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of Georgia. So help me God.

So help me God.

Congratulations and welcome to Dunwitty. Okay. Officers Coachman and Pollen, I cannot uh thank you enough for choosing Dunwy as your professional home. We are so grateful that you've chosen to give us your time and your talent and help us protect um our community. you have landed in a community that's very supportive of our police department and we are so thrilled to have you and to your colleagues behind you as always. There are not enough words to express how much we appreciate the work you do in your community. So, thank you again for

choosing Dunwy and welcome. And I'm going to clap one more time. Thank you. All right.

Okay. Uh good evening, Mayor. Um, uh, I'm going to call Officer Fernandez up to the podium here and, uh, uh, for the, uh, to recognize the volunteer hours for the citizens on patrol and our baiffs that have just gone above and beyond putting in their time here, helping us out with court. Um, and seeing the extra vehicles out patrolling the city and being another set of eyes and ears out there. Um, Teresa is going to come up here. Officer Alexander also both of them run the community outreach unit and they do an outstanding job. Teresa

so everyone can hear me. Good evening council. Um so this evening we would like to recognize all of our volunteers for the city of Dunwy. Um so there are some that are here that there's 10 people that unfortunately could not make it. Um this year what we've done is we've given every one of our volunteers a certificate. Um, and on the certificate it has their name as well as how many hours that they've worked in 2025. In the past, we did have something called a presidential award, but the company um that does a presidential awards just like I'm not sure what's going on with it, but I did put a hold on it right now, but we wanted to still make sure that our volunteers were of course appreciated and make sure everyone knows how much work that they've done this year. Um, so if we can call up all our all of our volunteers with their certificates, please. Have you have a certificate come up?

Oh, they have. You all stand right over here for me. The crowd. Yes, please. Officer Hernandez, can you explain to the audience what roles these fine upstanding Dunwy uh residents uh perform?

We will. So, to be a volunteer for the city of Dunwy, um the first prerequisite is to take the citizens police academy, which we do have twice a year here in Dunwy. Um, we have one in the spring and one in the fall. And anyone that's a resident of Dunwy or if you work in a business at Dunwy, you're welcome to actually join the academy. It's a 13-week class where you learn a little bit about everything that we do here at the police department. So, you get to meet most of the staff that does work here. It's a great experience. And if you haven't taken it, we'll be opening class again in August. So, look out for the the new announcements, for the new dates, and the applications for that. So, everyone here has taken the citizens. police academy. Um, and so this is a group of a mix of our citizens on patrol. And what they do is, if you noticed a silver car outside that says citizens on patrol, um, they help out with business checks, um, residential checks. They are the eyes and ears for the city when officers cannot be out there. So, if they see something suspicious, if they see anything that officers need to know about, they have radios and they can actually call officers to come out there to come help. Again, they're another set of eyes and ears out there in the city. If you are on vacation and you need a home check, they are the ones that go out there and they do home checks for us. If they go out there and they do see something suspicious where an officer needs to come out, again, they have radios and they call us and we are out there as fast as we possibly can and they are trained. That's another 13week class that they are trained um and they know the right protocols to do so. Uh we also have baifts for the city of Dunwy and what they do is they assist with the court. They assist the court staff on Wednesdays and Thursdays and again they're the eyes and ears in the courtroom. So myself and officer Alexander over here we are the main people in court for court security. Um but they again are the eyes and ears where we can't see everything. So it's just extra it's extra help in there. So

again, everyone here, they have helped us with um certain amount of volunteer hours, but we do have a few that did make over 100 100 hours of volunteer hours in 2025. Um if I say your name, please raise your hand. We have Tilki Baker. He actually won at 195.75. Um Harry Lutz, he's not here today, but he did 166.75. Those are two of our citizens on patrol. Um, we did have a lot of new people come in as well and they actually assisted us with training a lot of those new citizens on patrol. We have Joel Gross. He did 123.25. Gary Barnett 124.25. Dave Cotay and Dave Cotay's actually assisted us with being our head baiff. So he also helps us a lot of behind the hour. So even though he had 138.25 25 that's probably closer to over 200 because he also helps us with the scheduling and all that as well. Carrie Frederick Carrie did 13605 and Steve Spelman at 138.85. So they all did amazing jobs and of course even if I didn't say their names out there they all did amazing jobs and they were right behind them right under 100. But thank you guys for all you do. Do you want to add anything to it? I'm the shy one. Alexander is my name. Uh once again, we want to thank you guys for everything that you've done for us. Want to know that you guys are appreciated heavily with us within the department being at extension for us out there when we're not able to get there. Even when our street officers are not able to get out there for us, too. But you know, when the call, we do respond. You understand that we have your backs and you guys take care of us. We take care of you. Thank you.

Thank you, council. Have a good evening. All right, guys. You're good.

Thank you. Y'all doing pictures? Okay. All right, now it's time. Uh, thank you, Officer Hernandez, and um and everyone involved in this program. We appreciate it. Um, now it's time for public comments. 30 minutes at the beginning of the meeting and 30 minutes at the end of the meeting. Um, uh, you'll each speaker will have three minutes and um, we'll start with Ka Kayla Bthoon. Please forgive me if I pronounced your name incorrectly.

You nailed it. Thank you. Okay, if you'll just introduce yourself so they'll hear you.

Of course. Good evening everybody. My name is Kayla Bthun. I live here in Dunwy and I work in IT audit and cyber security. Uh I am here today as myself, my family and friends are deeply concerned with the security and ethics issues that arise with the use of a third party surveillance company within our community. So beyond the privacy issues that coincide with constant surveillance, I noted on Flock's website when I was looking at their current um their current audit reports that their SOCK 2 type 2 report, which is an evaluation performed by an independent firm that evaluates how effectively a company is safeguarding customer data and enforces their security controls, was last reported to be done in 2023. Now, it was noted that they have since hired a firm to re-evaluate these controls as of February of this year, but as it stands, I was unable to verify that Flock has a more current report. So, a citizen of Dunwy spoke at last month's city council meeting and demonstrated that he was able to access these cameras using common exploits and another citizen was able to show via an open records report of a open records request of a flock event log that flock employees were accessing cameras around Duny, including those in sensitive areas such as the MJCC pool and gymnastics room. It was noted that this information was provided to y'all on April 7th, but to ignore these red flags is incredibly concerning and irresponsible when we're talking about the safety, health, and privacy of our children. So before we continue or expand the use of the third party surveillance companies, I strongly urge the city of Dunwy pause until the city council and Flock can answer the public's questions regarding Flock security and able and are able to obtain a more recent security audit. Thank you all for your time. Jason

Hunter, I think you're here over there. I see you. Okay. Approach the microphone. Please introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes, sir.

All right. So, all the information I found here is just what I've been able to obtain through public records request. Although, to find out who surveiled us and why in 2025, the city wants to charge me 5.4 million. That being said, by looking at what I have been provided, I continue to find a number of concerning things. This is from Flock's own FAQ page. Flock Flock customers own their own data. Flock will not share, sell, or access your data. Flock employees access our data all the time and have admin level permissions. Flock employees conducted over 414 trackable actions in our network since the start of 2025. This includes disabling multiffactor authentication for users and disable disabling users showing up in search audits. They have also created users in Dunwy's network that do not show up on the user exports. The system is not transparent and auditing has failed. The next part from their FAQ. Sorry, one. Um, all right. Nobody from Flock Safety is accessing or monitoring our footage. Who monitors the camera footage? We seem to be spending a lot of time talking about hypothetical children. Real children are being watched by flock employees at playgrounds, parks, their schools, private gymnastics centers, private pools, and private gyms directly through Dunwoody's flock network because the city refuses to take any meaningful action to independently evaluate citizens concerns. Doing nothing is a choice. You meet with their CEO behind closed doors. You continue to ask the same people who would benefit from abusing the system to audit it and refuse to engage citizens outside of three minutes of public comments that you hide behind not being able to respond to. I continue to ask for you to hold a public town hall for these technologies and am ignored. You are choosing the wants of corporations over the safety of our children. Bob Carter is a vice president of business development for Flock. On September 30th

of last year, through Dunwoody's Flock Network, Bob Carter logged on and viewed one singular live view camera. This camera was in the gymnastics room at the JCC. He did not view any other cameras in the entire flock network that day. On July 23rd, Randy Gluck, who is a business development manager for the 911 product you're being asked to vote on tonight, looked at three cameras at the JCC before he looked at the camera main pool, right? It was over three hours before he looked at any other camera. Real children, real names, and real time stamps. As a dad whose son is going to go to the JCC for daycare, I have one question I want you to ask Chief Carlson today. Who is responsible for authorizing flock sales employees to watch our kids at directly through Dunwoody's flock network? Thank you. Uh, former mayor Denny Short. Uh, approach the microphone, sir. Introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes.

Danny Charl, 2011 Woodland Way. Um, I got two things to say, but number one is I want to talk about item 15 on tonight's agenda. uh special district tax. Uh I was the uh co-chairman of the group that pushed the cityhood vote here. I knocked on thousands of doors. Uh one of the big com complaints that I received was that uh you're going to raise taxes and that's why we put in in the charter that you could only raise taxes to 3.04 mills. But now I see that you got a way here and I call that backdoor taxes, backdoor taxes, special district taxes. Uh I don't know if it's legal. It doesn't sound legal to me, but uh it doesn't trump the charter. And what you're doing is raising taxes on the citizens of this city without the proper vote which is required by the charter. So, I think you uh better take a good hard look at that before you vote on that tonight or you're not going to vote on I guess you're just discussing it. But uh the uh the idea that uh you can backdoor tax the citizens of this city. You've tried bonds issues. You've tried other ones that got voted down. So, you're representing yourself and not the citizens of this city. Remember, you represent the citizens of this city, not just yourself. Uh I'm I want to talk about uh that's enough about that. Just talk about flock real quick. Uh there must be some uh way to fix the uh problems that the city citizens uh see in that issue. But let me just tell you it's a good system in principle. Whether it needs tightening up, I don't know. But, uh, we catch people all the time

passing through the city, getting the flock with their driver, excuse me, their license off their cars and arresting them. Uh, we keep people off the streets. Uh, if you want to clean it up, you don't want to have it uh, you know, at the JCC, well, don't have it there, but don't don't knock that out for the rest of the city because it's a tremendous safety factor for all the citizens of this city. Thank you so much. Thank you, Zach Humphre. Approach the microphone, introduce yourself, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you.

Hello, council. It's been a while. Uh, Zach Humphrey's 1509 Trouters Cove. Um, I really love Lemonade Days because it's the time of the year when I feel like everybody in Dunwitty comes together. I love volunteering for lemonade days. And last year when I was helping out with DPT at at the tent, I I did face painting. And um you know, not everybody here in Dun Woody speaks English and uh we had some family members. Well, we had a family that came from the Hispanic speaking area over by Winter's Chapel. Um and you know, I've I face painted the a little girl. until she was 5 years old. She didn't really speak English well enough yet, but I I can speak Spanish, so I spoke with her. Um, and the father was so surprised that like somebody spoke Spanish with with her that he donated 10 bucks to the DBT. Um, you know, I really hope that she's still getting like a good education. Now, now I help out um at food distribution centers where we go and give food to communities in need. Uh and especially right now, our Hispanic communities are are are in a lot of trouble right now. They're very scared. Um they have a hard time affording food because many of their common workplaces, people get get kidnapped by ICE. Um and and some of that food makes it back here to Dumbi and I find that really rewarding. Um at the end of the day, this contract does not prevent ICE from kidnapping members of our own community. And I really love everybody in this community. I want them to be safe. I want them to be well. And at the end of the day, ICE can produce

whether it be a judicial or an administrative warrant either to AWS or to um a police department that we share our information with and they and they will have access to to those people's data. Um, you know, I really I I hope that even if this contract does pass today that that there can be a post flock future. There can be a future where y'all can come to us and and like let's figure out something together where you know we can have our own internal data servers where where we employ people from Dunwy to you know code these new systems where we where we create systems in which we come together and we trust each other and I think that that's the beauty in community. So I I really really hope that you know please come talk to us please like let's build something together. Let's build a better future together. Um thank you Jessica. I think it's I'm so sorry. I think it's Bullbank or Bale Bank. Begins with a B if you're here. All right. Uh, just introduce yourself, please. Sorry. And you'll have three minutes. Hi, everyone. My name is Jessica Burbank. Thank you. I'm here tonight because mass surveillance uh has spread across the country, municipality by municipality, in the name of safety. And it might feel like a local issue. We're here tonight with members of our community at a city council meeting, but I'm here to tell you that it's not. They're building a national network of surveillance cameras, and I think it's time to carefully consider if this is really how we want to live in America. Flock's got a pattern of securing local

government contracts with as little public input as possible, with as little information provided to elected officials as possible. In the case of Scarsdale, New York, on April 8th, without public notice beyond posting a topic of public safety equipment, they voted to add to the agenda a decision to adopt a contract with Flop. They voted on it within that night and it was adopted. The same surreptitious approach occurred in Sedona, Arizona, in Eugene, Oregon. In at least one case in Lucas County, Ohio, they secured a local government contract accidentally in a consent agenda. And when the county commissioners attempted to overturn this, uh Flock sued to ensure that they would maintain a contract that not only did the public not want, but the county commissioners did not want. Uh so if anyone in Dud Woody feels that this contract has been pushed on you without enough information maybe too quickly and without public comment uh that's not just Dunwy that's been happening around the country and I think this is an issue that requires public oversight and attention because in the case of Scarsdale we've seen public records requests reveal that the police chief Steven Delben was in touch with flock representatives on Jan. January 15th. He didn't take office officially as police chief until February 1st. The public was not notified about the contract until April 8th. So months in quiet, they secured this contract and Flock has provided a sole source justification letter insisting no other provider can give the technology that Flock has. This is not true and this has gotten the attention of antitrust regulatory agencies. And now we're at the point where that same soul source justification letter signed by the CEO of Flock Langley is appearing in

California, in Mississippi, in states across the country. And so today, a year after my investigation into Flock began, Flock officials will no longer speak to journalists on the record. They will not be named. They only want to speak to us anonymously. And I think that reveals a level of malpractice on behalf of a corporation if your own staff doesn't want to be associated with you. And so I hope you all look into the many cases around the country where block data is being misused, where the cameras are being accessed by individuals with questionable motives. And I hope you look into the other case where contracts. Thanks. Isaac Thomas, I think, uh, you will have three minutes,

right?

Hey, I'm Isaac. I wanted to quickly talk about the stalking case involving Jose Ayala, a police officer from Wisconsin. He was recently charged for using Flock system to stalk his girlfriend and her ex-boyfriend around 200 times while on duty. This happened from March through May of last year. His abuse of the system was caught through Flock's built-in auditing tools, leading to him being charged. However, since this incident, Flock has revoked police departments access to these tools. Without these specific auditing tools, it is no longer possible to catch a similar future abuse of the system. If Flux system existed as it does today, back in March of last year, Jose would not have been caught. The mayor made a comment last council meeting about um asking why all of these external police departments need direct access to our data. Why can't they just pick up the phone and call us if there's if they think there's a dangerous criminal headed toward Dunwy? Flock does the exact opposite of this. As of last December, Dunwy no longer has access to view which external officers are searching our cameras or what vehicles they're searching for. I also want to bring up the police department which is still in our system titled or do not use somebody is actively logged into this account still running searches in the last 3 weeks. Last meeting Flock asked if Flock was asked if Dunwitty footage is being shown overseas. Dan said quote it is not shown overseas. It's a very common thing for workers overseas to perform that kind of very manual work but they're not doing anything with the images other than testing them for quality. End quote. So Flock does send images to overseas workers. This process of gathering machine learning annotations from offshore human reviewers is largely facilitated through a third party platform called Upwork. There has been documented evidence of North Korean IT workers purchasing Upwork accounts of real people to complete IT work and other tasks on their behalf. Flare Research in partnership with IBM Ex-Force recently released a threat intelligence report uncovering thousands of North Korean IT workers impersonating people from all around the world um specifically through Upwork and similar platforms with the

goal to infiltrate Western companies. Thank you. Sabrina Raheem, uh approach the microphone and you'll have three minutes, ma'am. Good evening, city council and everyone. I'm reading a comment on behalf of my son who has been raised in Dunwy but is attending college uh in another state. Uh this has made national news the issue of flock safety and he's been following it. I hope that's okay to share his comment. Okay. Based on overwhelming evidence of deception, harm, and the potential for future harm by flock safety, Dunwy should end its contract with the company. In the meantime, it's important for Dunwy residents to understand that they should not use the camera correct connect service offered by the Dunwy Police and the police department should stop using it. Granting the police realtime access isn't simply a personal choice. Even if you don't care about your privacy, you are sacrificing the privacy and security of unsuspecting passers by. This is profoundly anti-democratic. This would be true even if individuals were aware of camera locations that share footage and also if there were transparency about the manner in which the footage is used by the police. It would be true even if it weren't so easy for bad actors to hack flock cameras and access sensitive data as demonstrated by Mr. Jordan and others. So, if you have a CCTV camera outside your home or business, please don't share the footage with the police. And my advice for the Dunwy police is this. Only seek camera footage retroactively to conduct a

criminal investigation and never without a judicial warrant. Thank you. Kenneth, I got to write bigger. Um, West Morland, I think, uh, approach the microphone and you will introduce yourself, please, and you'll have three minutes. It's uh it's pretty shocking to me that in what less than a month basically or just a month that we've found out that flock employees are not only lying more than they said they were but watching children in Dumbworthy. Like isn't that mindboggling? You like you guys want little Epstein to have access to cameras all across your city? I mean that's that's crazy to me. I'm not going to talk about all of the uh technical aspects of Flock. I think that other people are going to talk about that or have talked about it. Um it just became clear to me when I was here last time that most of you all were not discussing whether or not you should accept flock contracts, but what little tiny changes you should make to try and get your constituents to shut up because your ears are so plugged with their money. So, I just to me I couldn't understand how after we've learned that they're logging into the JCC cameras, that they're sending footage overseas on top of all of the other things that they're doing, how when we know that they're lying to you guys, you could possibly approve this contract at all, unless you're corrupt. That's that's my thinking. I I really don't understand any other answer to the kind of question because it's obvious that flock systems do not have the safety of anybody here at heart, right, at all. And that they're not going to tell you the truth. The only other thing I would just say is

I I beg you guys, I mean, there are people here, right, like over there, over here, who actually have the information you want. Last time you guys let the flock employees, I don't see them here this time, come up and just lie for like half an hour or an hour straight, uh, and just say complete nonsense while people who actually have correct information begged to give you guys the information on how Flock worked. You know, that that would go, I think, a long way if you just showed even a little bit of willingness beyond public comment to listen to people who actually know what they're talking about and want to tell you the truth and actually care about something other than just stuffing their pockets full of cash and creeping on children. I mean, that's crazy to me that they're watching the children at the JCC. Isn't that crazy to you guys? Is it I'm Are you not allowed to talk, Emma, now? Oh, you're not allowed to talk. Okay. I mean, that's wild. It's mind-boggling. It's like act I mean, seriously, it's so absurd. It's like you couldn't make up a better idea for an absurd comedy sketch about people hawking cameras to police than that they log in and watch children swimming. Like, what are you guys talking about? That's ridiculous. And you're thinking about approving a contract with them? How is that sensible to anybody? It's like, would you put their camera in your child's bedroom? I don't know, but it seems a little bit like it to me. If you're thinking about approving the contract when we already know they watch the children in the swimming pool,

Aaron Miller, if you'll approach the microphone, um, and you'll have three minutes. Oh, introduce yourself, please, just for the clerk and then you'll have three minutes, please.

Uh, yeah, Aaron Miller. Um, yeah, I I want to believe that you guys have your constituents interests in mind. I want to believe that you can hear the facts that are being laid before you and make a sensible decision. Um, it really comes down to liability. you know what flock reps what police officers officers are doing with all of this data and just I don't know when if and when things go wrong you will be on the hook for it because you knew you've been warned many many times we've already seen police officers in other local abusing flock searchable databases to stalk women as others have noted um you know our own police department was recently embroiled in scandal where believe an officer held a tire shop owner hostage to get a better deal on tires. So maybe this isn't the best combo. I know there was a sexual harassment scandal as well. Um we've seen ICE and other agencies access local databases without the knowledge or approval of local law enforcement, even in direct opposition to internal policies against partnering with ICE. And as many others have noted, thank you to the research done by Jason Huner, now we have Flock employees watching live streams of children doing gymnastics. It's disgusting and it directly contradicts everything that Flock representatives assured you at the last meeting. And if it doesn't already cross a line for you, that's a problem. But if and when this misconduct crosses yet another line into unequivocal stalking or god forbid something worse, you will be responsible and you will have to answer for the fact that you knew well in advance that this technology enables and facilitates these kinds of gross violations.

Um, a and it's not just, you know, about the fine details of the contract because Flock has demonstrated in several other MU municipalities, including Syracuse, New York, Santa Cruz, California, and Evston, Illinois, that they're willing to operate in explicit violation of their contracts, including secret prohibited data sharing, operating without state licenses in Texas, and reinstalling cameras after contract termination. It doesn't matter how solid the contract looks, they are willing to violate it if it benefits the company. Um, and lastly, the technology is flawed. It's led to hundreds of wrongful detentions across the country, which has led to dozens of lawsuits against the cities employing the technology. Um, and just, you know, to while my last 20 seconds, just to point out another lie, at the last meeting, flock reps claimed that these cameras only capture license plates. Less than a week after they said this, GSP issued a ticket to a motorcyclist for violating the hands-free law. And maybe you've seen this. So, you just really can't trust what they're saying. And I'd urge you to just look at the facts. Thank you.

That's fine with that.

Ann Hicks, approach the microphone, introduce yourself, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you. Anne Hicks, 5640 Woodsong Drive. Um, tonight you have a discussion item on the agenda for two potential rooftop solar projects on city-owned buildings. Um, one at the Spurl Arts Center and one at the Shallerford Annex. I'm here as a chair of the sustainability committee to voice my support for both of those projects. This is all very appropriate since this is April is um Earth month and um Earth Day is April 22nd. Um so I've been involved with both of these projects from the beginning. You know, helping with the RFP and also participating on the bid review team. As you know, after retiring as electric utility general counsel in 2024, I've spent a great deal of time advising congregations on solar projects, including for my own church. There are so many economic and environmental benefits of installing rooftop solar. economic reasons including include taking advantage of the federal income tax credit for commercial projects that still in place um through the end of 2027 and simply paying far less per kilowatt hour than you and I pay Georgia Power. So those are both excellent economic reasons. Um, for example, uh, my church, Jony Methodist, has saved over $1,300 a month since we installed solar 10 months ago. $1,300 a month in savings on average. Um, and the trustees are now considering a second system on our new gym rooftop um, for potential greater savings for the church.

en environmental benefits of solar include, for example, saving tons and tons of carbon dioxide each year. Um, so really in short, this is a no-brainer. It's a golden opportunity for the city to save taxpayer dollars and show leadership on environmental sustainability. Um, moreover, pillar four of the city approved sustainability plan under resource efficiency has a section on renewable energy. It includes the following two statements. The city of Dunwy will support renewable energy programs and adopt its use in government operations. And the city will invest in a demonstration renewable energy project such as solar and use it to educate residents and businesses on renewable power. Approval of the city solar projects would implement both of these directives. And by the way, the Spruel Center project includes an education component. So that'd be a great tool for educa educating the public about the benefits of solar. So in short, I support the projects. I know it's just a discussion point tonight and thank you for your consideration.

Thank you. Okay, our last speaker, unless they speak less than a minute, is Amiia uh where is she? Jacov Jakov. Maybe is it D silent? Say that. Do it, Stacy. Say it. She speaks other lane here. Go ahead. I have I think it's Aima. Jakov Jakoh. Aya. Okay.

Yep. That is definitely a joke. Or you could be like, I am a DJ. Cool. Okay. Well, it's fine. Way to waste the last time. Yep. All good. All good. Um, one more. Uh, Sean Collins. I can let him speak three minutes. Sean, uh, speak quickly.

Uh, I have three minutes. I'll take my time. Thank you. Uh, I want to quote Chief Carlson from the strategic planning meeting two weeks ago or retreat, I guess, is what it was titled. It's on YouTube. and I quote, "The reason we put our shot detection down there is because it's a predominantly Hispanic community. They normally do not call the police, so nobody would call to report those gunshots. These are not enemy combatants. These are community members. And instead of, you know, researching why they don't call, instead of trying to work with them and earn their trust, our police force has decided that it's easier to racially surveil them whether they like it or not. Instead of looking into well-documented research around real solutions to crime, preventative solutions, we're going to spend another $200,000 on another Flock drone. More surveillance, more reactive solutions. You've been shown example after example of how Flock's technology can be abused by police with proper access as well as others with improper access. Real world examples of stalking a single target. Why is it so hard to imagine a world where someone searches dark-kinned man or Mexican teenager or woman in hijab or even man in yamaka? Our own police chief has shown it's okay to generalize. Do you really think bad actors won't? There are better, safer ways to do this without flock and similar companies. We should get rid of flock. I have a minute and a half, so I don't know if I should stand here and just ramble about other stuff. Uh, I thought the presentation, let's see, was it three weeks ago by Ginger was uh, I don't know, less than great. Uh, she just sat there and copy and pasted Lock's own website and then she let Flock talk more than she talked during the presentation. Don't fact check me. I'm just guessing.

Um, I think it's [ __ ] that Flock gets to just walk up here or tune in on Zoom and hop in to answer questions during a presentation that was supposed to be by the city for the city. I think there's a lot of complaints about the city manager and even in the new the new contract, the new MSA and how he gets to approve stuff without y'all voting, without the public knowing and stuff like that. Let's see. I've got 40 more seconds. I should talk slower. Um, oh, I'll just read the speech again. Uh, so you've been shown example after example about how flock technology can be abused by police with proper access. Actually, that's kind of boring. I won't do that. I just want to congratulate everyone sitting here that has come out all these weeks and put their effort and their time into this to not only research and write speeches, but to try and inform you guys and persuade you guys. Um, yeah, I think it's awesome that the community is building unfortunately around a negative event and hopefully in the future we can build around positive things instead. I yield my one second. If if you have a car if I have your card or even if I don't there is a a session of public comment at the end of the meeting and um we will go through the cards that weren't called and other people obviously can speak. All right, I lost my agenda. Hold on. I found it. Um, next, Mr. Linton, your city manager report, please.

Yes, thank you, mayor. We have uh lemonade days coming up April 22nd through the 26th. Um, so please attend that event if you're able. It's the largest event within the city during the year. So, very fun. Uh, please show up for that. Also, we have um two microchip stations have been installed. One at city hall and one at uh Brookrun Dog Park for public use. These are to help uh reunite your lost dog with your owner. If you look out front when you leave, you'll see that chip station to your immediate left outside the doors. So, uh that's there for the public. Also, we have within the police department. Um we've had our 18th annual citizens police academy that's continuing now. Uh that alumni will be recognized on May the 11th at that council meeting. Also, April the 1st celebrated 17 years of service for the city police department. So, congratulations to the department for uh starting that that day and start from the ground up to get the uh department rolling. Also, we have um we're now accepting applications for our sixth annual teen police academy which is going to take place July 13th through the 17th. There's a link within the report for that as well. And there's also a link uh other links within the report to look at our crime status um in the comparison report there. Public works, we have our um nominated nature center wetland restoration project earned national recognition award uh from the American Council of Engineering Companies and also our Brookrun maintenance facility. Um sewer and power service lines have been installed. Site grading is complete. curb installations going in and the interior finishes of both buildings are going on right now. You'll see within that um picture within your report shows two buildings. That's the new maintenance facility that took place of the old facility that burned down.

Um Google will be installing highspeed internet uh within the city during the month of April in several subdivisions. So, be on the lookout for them uh within your neighborhood. Also, we have our stream restoration public hearing is this week. uh from 5 to 7 on April the 16th at the Brookrun Pavilion. Um Dumby 101 is coming up this Friday, April 17th, and we have a full crew for that. Um that's an all day event. Um it's a chance for the citizens to meet staff and understand more about how the city operates. It's a great course that uh all citizens should uh take if they have the time to do that. within the report or is the inside Dunwy um DNE and also we have our March 2026 Dunwy stories report. So when you have a moment everybody should check on that community development. Um there's another restaurant at Perimeter Mall is coming soon. It will be just south of the Lazy Dog Restaurant. Um so that corridor continues to develop out. Also the Living Spaces store at Ashford Road and Ravenia Parkway is progressing. That building's in the framing stages right now. Um and then the former AJC building at High Street was demolished to make room for the next step of construction for High Street. So that continues to evolve. Um we are continuing to work on multiple public art projects for late spring and installation including lemongrass uh sculpture on Shamley Dun Woody Road. Our external auditors completed the majority of their fieldwork uh for this year and that will be concluding soon the entire report. The last item I was going to mention was municipal court disposed of 517 cases during this quarter and has reset 21 cases. It's a very low reset number and uh they do move very efficiently. Mayor and council, I'm glad to answer any questions you have for this report and our staff is available as well.

Uh Tom, excuse me. I don't have any questions. I just want to uh make a general comment about the uh we had the recycling uh electronics recycling event this week. I want to thank the community development department and the sustainability committee. Um I had a bunch of old electronics taking up space in my basement. Uh so I took advantage of that. Went by it was um extremely wellrun and organized. It was very quick and easy and painless to go through. And at the time I got there, which was about 11:00 a.m., there was still about an hour to go. They had collected a lot of of electronics and a lot of stuff there. So, uh, it appeared to be a very successful event, but also extremely wellrun. So, thanks to our community development and sustainability for putting it together.

Anybody else? Go ahead, Stacey.

I just want to um two things. Um, if anybody's listening has a teenager, the the Teen Police Academy is absolutely phenomenal. Um, it's just really wellrun. My daughter did it a few years ago and she's now a sophomore in college and this summer she's going to be doing an internship for the Jackson County Sheriff's Department up in um, Silvin, North Carolina. And a lot of it just goes back to her experience with the Team Police Academy. So, thank you to that. Um, the chip readers, are we going to get that out there? I mean, basically, if you find a lost dog, you can go to the Brookrun Dog Park or here and hopefully help reunite it. How are we How are we getting that out there? I'm very excited about this.

Jennifer, want Jennifer to answer? Yeah. Oh, or Kathy. Oh, she's busy. Okay. Sorry. Right. It's a busy night. We'll be working with Rachel to put out a how-to video. So, we'll get on that. Great. And I think Councilwoman Harris and her dog should star in the how-to video because it was her initiative. So, I think if you can make that work, that'd be great. Not that I'm telling you, I'm just suggesting that. And he's a cute little puppy. We Okay. Sorry. Eddie does have a chip.

Right. There you go. Okay. Um, anybody else? I have just two things. One is that along with sustainability and our community development staff, St. Luke's Church on Mount Vernon uh is a big part of the uh electronics recycling event. They help us with one recycling event a year. Uh we really couldn't do that without them because I don't know how it is that we do this annually and yet every year there's so much stuff it wouldn't fit in our parking lot. So we really appreciate uh St. Luke's support. And then Eric when you said Google was something in April, they're just starting. I want to be clear.

That's correct. So So they're going to go to more than wherever they are right now. Okay. just to set expectations. Um all right, seeing no other questions, we move on to consent. Madam Mayor, may I ask uh yes that uh we take item number um five, the city council planning retreat meeting minutes and move that into uh it doesn't really be an it wouldn't be an action, but just would rather have a discussion. It's not going to change your vote on the consent agenda. We can talk about it. I think let's just I'd prefer to just remove it from the and it has to become a business item.

Okay. So, if we could remove uh item five on the consent all the way down to uh seven I guess make it the new 16 I guess. I don't know after the everything else on business. Okay. Anybody else have any questions? Go ahead, John. have a question regarding item number uh seven if Ginger Leage uh basically just want to know how those uh contracts or the licenses are determined and for the Microsoft 365

yes I'm online I'm sorry um for that we have used a vendor that we used last year it is a vendor that we had met and worked with in the past um we vetted them and we've worked with the purchasing department to ensure that we're doing it correctly. So the 165 licenses is for one for every is that how that works? Correct. That's for every user and then we have room for growth within that. So that is why there is a contingency percentage.

Okay. There's just concerns that was raised to me that we are possibly not using all of them that we have uh allocated and how is that working? So we only purchase what we actually are using. Um we have usually maybe one or two I guess extra that we hold on to because the we have to issue them. Sometimes we have to have more than one person license issued at a time for people that have left and people that are on boarding and things like that. All right. So you're satisfied that the 165 that we're allocating that we are going to use them all andor that we are only going to be paying for those that are being used. That is correct. Yes. Thank you, ma'am. No other questions. Anybody else?

So, this approve is amended. Cuz I move to approve with the removal of item number five. Second. Any further discussion or questions? I see none. Call the question. All in favor say I. Sharon. That is unanimous. Okay. The next item under business under business items, action items is the block master services agreement. Jill done.

Okay. Before uh Jill comes up, I'd like to say a few words if that's okay. Um on this item, so I want to start with the JCC situation. So when I learned of that, I was concerned and perplexed and I requested more information. And when I learned why and how it happened, which didn't I mean it was what I would have guessed, which is is that the members of the flock sales team were using it as a demonstration to another potential a potential a demonstration of the E911 system or their system um for a potential sales call with another law enforcement agency who didn't already use that particular service. I sought a solution and where we landed is is that Flock will no longer use Dumb Woody for demonstration projects. So that is um wasn't acceptable. they have a apologized to the JCC. Um and they have um so so we will no longer be a demonstration location for flock that keeps them out of places they should not be. And um so just to clarify the how and the why and I'm not excusing it at all. I was very frustrated and angry and uh you know I believe this is a solution um to keeping them from at least part of a solution from keeping them out of places flock should not be. Um I

want to also address some of the things that were said in public comment because I think they deserve to be clarified. We haven't done any deal with Flock in secret. We have been customers of Flock since before I was mayor, I believe. Um I think Mayor Shortle was here when we started and he's my predecessor. Everything we vote on is on an agenda. Um it's been fairly widely covered and um I just the inference that we're doing something behind door that we're taking bribes. It's all kinds of not at all correct. We have we talk about it something changed. Someone became aware and paid attention but we haven't done any of this in secret. I cannot stress enough that none of this was done uh without proper notice. Our meetings are advertised. Our agendas are published. We're all over the internet. We broadcast. This is not new uh news to us. And then finally, in the process of evaluating the situation um and the complexities of flock, we learned two things. Well, we learned lots of things, but we learned that there are two paths to how we address this. One is through the service agreement that we are uh a master service agreement that we are discussing and voting on tonight. The second is through internal policies and procedures that clearly need addressing and that is a separate entity that's a separate activity from the flock service agreement. So, I just want it to be clear that not every concern that we expressed up here and certainly concerns have been expressed can be addressed in

um the master service agreement because it's not necessarily an issue of flock. Someone can correct me. It's an issue of how we're using flock. So, with that, um I will I think that was all my notes. Oh, and I was confused about the comment about the audit tool because the audit tool still exists. There's still a list of who um I believe because you're getting open records requests. Nope. Uh someone internally maybe Jill can correct me when she comes up here, but um and in fact my understanding is this flock is getting ready to come out with another audit tool. So, and then also also um Atlanta uses just as an example because we're trying, you know, be transparent here, Atlanta uses flock cameras, the city of Atlanta use flocks cameras and then they use a different system at the end of that process that doesn't even provide an audit log. So, um it's my understanding, someone internal can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the audit still the audit tool still exists. All right. Um, with that I will invite Jill up and um, this is an action item. Um, and uh, I'm getting all confused here. Um, Jill. Okay. So, does anybody have any uh, questions or cons? Oh, are you going to present? Do you have a presentation planned? Um I can just speak about the background of how has been developed and then you can discussions.

Okay.

Um so what we've done is kind of start from scratch essentially and create this new master services agreement uh trying to address uh the concerns that the council and has raised in prior meetings along with other concerns that we've uh become aware of. And I think that what this does, as the mayor pointed out, this creates at least a set of of guard rails to govern um the city's relationship with flock. It's not going to cover things that should more appropriately be the subject of policies that will be developed in the future. But this does create a situation where the city has a great deal of control over what flock does with its state with the city's data where that data can go where it can be disseminated what it can be used for. There is uh the city manager has become the primary point of contact for approving any virtually anything that Flock wants to do with the city's data has to be approved by by either the city manager if appropriate or in some some instances the council and the mayor uh depending on what the regulations provide. So this has created a set of like I said guardrails that govern the relationship between flock and the city moving forward. The the premise is that there will be a set of order forms in the future each of which will fall under this master services agreement and be governed by the terms of this master services agreement which cannot be which cannot be changed um without the mayor and council's approval in writing. We also built in um that the terms and conditions, the privacy policy, all of the the regulations and and conditions that are on Fox website today are frozen in place and cannot be changed. Those are what will govern and be incorporated into this master

services agreement. So those can't be changed. The city will not be bound by any new terms and conditions that Flock may come up with in the future. Those will actually be attached as an exhibit to to this MSA. so everybody knows, you know, what they're getting into. I'm happy to answer any questions about any specific provisions of the agreement. Mayor, can I can I Yes, go ahead. Bill fill this part in. Okay.

Um, so the the the concept behind this MSA is probably fixing the past relationship into a document that is manageable. It still has to be negotiated. It's not a one-sided thing. Although we made a list of everything we heard y'all talk about and Jill and team which included technology folks included technology folks from her law firm and also included the chief included staff here, Ginger and others to try to address those in a way that we felt like was reasonable. And we kept falling back on on this concept that one the past problem is these o order forms uh they sound as if they're contract terms being added and we wanted to get away from that. We didn't want anything to overcome the MSA. The second is there needs to be some civilian oversight. So that and and the chief agrees with this by the way. the chief was part of this conversation that there needs to be some civilian oversight when new technology is developed that Eric has the authority to approve the technology and he can do it by email but what he can't do is change terms and conditions by email or spend more money by email. We're talking about something that's a demonstration product that's out. If he gets enough that he feels like he's comfortable with us testing it, he can authorize testing it. But to change the contract terms or spend within his uh spend authority, it has to it has to be in writing. Period. And if it goes above his threshold or is non-budgeted, it'd have to come to use. So, I wanted to address that. There was also an issue about I'm gonna say this

for lack of a better word, toggle. Uh I think I heard something about toggle. The toggle button is off as I understand it, Jill, in the contract.

So that's my understanding is that's the default, but but even let's assume that that's not the default. The the contract gives the city immediately the right to have it turned off and it can't be turned back on or off without the city's approval. So the city has complete control over what happens with that toggle. So go going forward and this is not going to be an overnight uh solve. Eric is going to develop with the team a set of policies to govern decision making on the use of new technology in this field and and how and when it it it should be recommended to do it some other kind of way or whatnot. We feel like the policies are where the meat is going to hit the road, so to speak. But if they want to change anything, they got to go through civilian oversight. So, it's not just uh law enforcement saying, "We want this asset without somebody reviewing it to see if it fits the parameters." Uh there was one other thing, and I'm having a 61y old moment. I'll get to it later, but I feel like the checklist has been addressed. Now, having said that, this is not going to replace us policing oursel. This is not going to replace the police chief policing his people. This is not going to replace whoever from policing themselves. People violate the law all the time that are on the books. So, we have to be good stewards of whatever it is we're using and not just Eric's team's policy or this uh city council's MSA, but we have to police oursel and so uh the questions that have been raised have been good things to think about. It's an education piece that we've done a really deep dive and this wasn't something that got that's been going on for a couple days. Been going on for a

while and so I think there's been some heavy lifting. Is it perfect? No. I I can't say it's perfect. I can't say is somebody going to violate something in this thing. But what I can say it's much better than where we were. And I hope these policies uh will do more to entrench the goals and aims of the city council and law enforcement in carrying out its mission. Uh but I want you to know the policies are going to take a little while to develop. I told Eric we probably looking 30 60 days. So there probably won't be any approvals of anything until those policies in place unless it's something very very easy like let's look at a new technology. But as far as changing whether it's called information beta, whatever you call it or or changing pricing or terms, that has to be in a written instrument and it either has to fit within the city manager authority under our rules or it will come back to y'all like everything else does.

So, thank you. Questions, John?

I have a couple questions, but really I just want to say thank you. First, I want to say thank you to Jill and Ken and our legal team in our city for taking this seriously and council taking this seriously. We've done a deep dive. We've looked at it. I don't know of any other city that has gone to this level and pushed flock pushed back against flock to negotiate with them, their president, their legal team, and all the rest. So, I think we did our due diligence first off. Second, um as Ken said, we're not done. We're still looking at it and I and I do trust and understand the legalities and the things that we're dealing with and our city manager is still pushing forward and our police chief is doing his due diligence. So, thank you. Um Jill, I have uh reviewed the current agreement in front of us, but I also looked at the other flock items that are on the agenda. One of which is the OS the the 911 OS system. In there, there's a link that shows the standard terms and conditions for us to approve. It was a contract for us to approve and for us to approve that. I clicked that link, printed it all out, and I was trying to compare it all. What has binding status over that? If there's a conflict between what we have in front of us now in the sense of the master services agreement versus the standard terms and conditions for the prepared communication service for the next you know the OS system the 911 system which one has controlling or are they separated

the master services agreement controls all of that but I will say that the it's a little bit confusing right now because I Theoretically in the future those order forms would like there's not an MSA in place right now for those order forms to fall under. So they're just going to be kind of one. We by approving the master services agreement have that locked in place. Okay. So I mean the we have a number of flock items on the agenda and each one of them has a link to their service agreement. It wasn't printed out. It's not in the agenda. It's not printed out anywhere. I printed it out. I saved a copy of it, but I'm saving it to make sure that it doesn't change in the future, but I wanted to know what has what's controlling,

right? those. So those are the terms and conditions that I talked about that will be along with others part of part incorporated into this document but this document controls and and John uh the way it's on the agenda I if the MSA gets approved and if one or both of the other things get approved the the way it's on the agenda it's subject to not only our approval of the MSA but full execution of the MSA. So if for any reason MSA was not signed by Flock and us or not approved by y'all that that it's a conditional approval essentially.

No, but going forward here's the pro here's been the historic problem in the future. It will be POS as opposed to this nice little brochure. It's got nice colors and all that but tries to purport to be a new contract. The MSA is worded in a way that those future things are governed by the MSA as long as we have the relationship. Am I correct on that, Jill?

So, so while the format they use is not one we like, the way y'all will be approving it is if you approve it would be subject to full approval of the MSA and full execution by both parties. So, if the MSA is not binding, these approvals won't mean anything. Okay. to the other things. And as far as flock, what we approve today, if we do approve the master services agreement, where is flock on their agreement of the MSA? Have they already signed off? They have not I've not seen a signed contract from them. Are they is anything going back to them to make changes, edits, or how does it go back and forth? What's the status?

Well, there's been a lot of back and forth. Uh, but this is the last thing your lawyers are recommending that we can get behind. We can't the I I would think Flock would want to change a couple things, but they know what's here. What's before you, they've seen. I think the last push back was addressed already. And I Jill, if you heard any more. Yeah, I think I think they're, you know, they're they're not going to have a choice. They're gonna have to sign it this way or there won't be a deal. Folks, um, this is Dan. I'm I'm online as a panelist uh flax chief legal officer and we are absolutely prepared to sign this document. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. Well, let's get a motion. Oh, go ahead, Stacy. I'm sorry. Um, so yeah, and I didn't see it in the agreement, so sorry if I didn't understand it, but um, how often does the agreement get renewed or is it just looked at or how often would it come back in front of council if we approve it tonight? So my understanding is that there would be it's based there's a fiscal year attached to it. So you have to approve the funding each fiscal year the agreement can terminate. That makes sense. Thank you. So if you don't fund it a year, it would it would terminate.

You can terminate. Yeah. and obviously terminate for breach and other cause reasons. Go ahead. That's fine.

Um procedurally, again, I just want to clarify. Um well, first of all, yes, thank you for getting here. Uh thank you for having this pause. We've had a pause now for at least a couple of months. Um as our mayor alluded to, this has been going we've had services and contracts with these people for many, many years. Um, so it's a reset. Can are we going to iteratively will will this go back? So this is as an action item. It's not a discussion. So um, will there be you're saying it'll be signed as is? So if we have feedback from this, it's a living breathing. We can propose changes to the MSA moving forward. Is that a th this will be the MSA?

The MSA. It's like a contract. I mean, no, I mean down the road if something raises, but not like tomorrow. Not like tomorrow. This is a this is a this is a no we've ne we've anyway and theoretically Joe every time you uh look at your budget if you fund it there's no deal right there's time there there are ways to get back in a discussion on the MSA in the future.

Okay. Um, addition, aside from the actual vendor technology conversation that we're having, as the mayor alluded to, um, I've I've had discussion with with uh the city manager as well, that we uh implement an independent cyber security and IT audit on all of our systems, everything that we own uh that we subscribe to, etc. So above and beyond the specific vendor um at least on an annual basis we put out for procurement an independent cyber security IT audit on all of that includes vulnerability and so on um for cyber security controls and provides findings for immediate remedi we're using a lot of different systems whether it's in-house or it's a you know in the cloud or not second and then the second one as um the mayor and we talked about was policies that we do also this broader governance policies, procedures, audit as well. So if you look at all of the different departments we have from uh procurement to community development to uh finance, we have a lot of different procedures sitting around um and policies. Some of them been voted on council by council and that have been for public record. Others are done by staff or city staff leadership. So the second proposal I have is that we also do a uh third-party audit on our governance policies and procedures audit um regardless of whether it's been approved by council or not and then come back with recommendations looking at you know best practices uh whether they do in the private sector as well as public sector with actionable list. So those would be two things I would be asking to do above and beyond the MSA. All right. Any other questions?

Move to approve. Moved by John. Second. Second by Councilman Lenbucker. Any further questions or discussion? Hearing none. I call the question um on the flock master service agreement. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing hearing none. It passes unanimously. Thank you. All right, Chief Carlson, I believe you're up. And on the on the next two, while the chief's going to the podium,

I'd like the motion to read just like it is on the agenda, whether it's denial or approval. So, it's tied to the MSA as we've discussed. Thank you.

Uh good good evening, mayor and council. Um for the past several months we have been um uh testing using the Flock OS 911 system uh with our real-time crime center. Uh it has proven um to be very effective uh which means if we have somebody that calls in um uh in another language, it'll translate it for us. Uh and we can also hear it uh real time as it's being dispatched into the ChatCom 911 center. So, if it is something critical, um the staff that is operating the real-time crime center can go ahead and dispatch us early so we can get to the scene quicker. So, I'm asking you to approve uh the contract for the flock os 911 for 15,000.

Go ahead. Does anybody have questions? Move to approve with the flock OS 911 contract subject uh subject to approval and full execution of the flock master service agreement. Second moved by Councilman Harris, second by Councilman Hennean. Any questions or discussion? Seeing none, I call the question. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Hearing none, that carries unanimously. Sharon.

Uh Chief, go ahead. Okay. Um the next one is um in reference to our drone first responder program. We have partnered with the perimeter community improvement district. Um regarding the area here in uh uh in the perimeter. So we have shotgun or excuse me shot detection. Um we have uh we have uh cameras and license plate readers that they are funding. So, this is a request, excuse me, to uh proof that agreement uh as well as adding another drone uh to cover the other side of the city.

Thank you. Any uh questions or comments? Seeing none, this is an action item. like to move to approve the flock drone first responder expansion agreement and renewal of PCID's technology partnership commitment subject to approval in the full execution of the flock master services agreement second moved by Councilman Henigan second by Councilman seconder any further questions or discussion hearing none I call the question all in favor say I any oppose that passes says unanimously. Thank you, Chief.

It doesn't seem like they spoke to you for hours.

All right. Next, Sharon, I believe you have to read this one. Yes. The next item on the agenda is a first read of proposed charter amendment to article 4 section 4.01, article 4 section 4.02C, and article 4 section 4.03 related to municipal court.

Madame Mayor, council members, I'm going to th this sort of brief introduction is also going to be applicable to 14,5 and 16. So, uh, in the charter under section 103, powers and construction, it says, "This city shall have all powers possible for a city to have under the present or future constitution and laws of this state as fully and completely as though they were specifically enumerated in this act." Uh, and it goes on, but my point is the constitution and state law is embedded in the charter. It's not just the way the charter is written. The charter language specifically incorporates it as if it's written. So, first you go by the constitution. The constitution has home rule under article 9 uh paragraph section two paragraph 2. That's the home rule provision granting y'all authority to do certain things and I'll go through that shortly. Special districts are in the constitution as well. Article 9 uh section 2 paragraph six are special districts. All of which you can do right now whether you change this or not. The purpose behind cleaning up the charter is there are provisions in this charter that are nonsensical that conflict with the constitution that conflict with state law and it's part of the charter review commission that was uh in the original charter. They've made certain recommendation. Uh, Councilman Lenbacher has taken it up to check to see what needed to be cleaned up. Legal was making these recommendations to you. We're not trying to hide the ball. General law under u OCGA 36353 says municipal charters may be amended by ordinance duly adopted at two regular consecutive meetings of the municipal government authority. And it talks about

the procedure. These charter amendments have been advertised as required by law. They've been on file with spear court clerk and they've been on file here. So what we're doing is what the law provides. Um the first one that uh we're doing is the the pro the proposed charter amendment seeks to amend article 4 section 4.01 by designating the title number and confirming the powers and duties of municipal judges. Article uh 4 section 4.02C to create term limits and article 4 section uh 4.03 by adding the word chief to in front of judge. Um the provision for the term the the main provision that was added under the creation of the municipal court said court shall be presided over by a chief municipal judge duly appointed by the mayor and confirmed by council and such number of associate municipal judges as duly appointed by the mayor and confirmed by councel. Associate judges shall have the same power and duties while presiding as the chief judge. 4.02 2. All judges shall serve for a term of four years, but in no event more than two consecutive or non-consecutive terms. The term limits herein apply prospectively to all appointments or reappoints made on or after May 1, 2026. If we follow the advertising schedule and if this is adopted after the second read, it would be a prospective statute. You can't apply them uh retroactively. So it'd be prospectively going forward beginning May one. Um and in convening we added the word chief judge. The miss court shall be convened at such times as design designated by ordinance or such time times as deemed necessary by the chief judge to keep current the dockets

thereof. So that's uh number 13. Are there any questions on 13? Uh John, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, thank you Ken for the overview. The only question I had, I was trying to research myself in the sense of you said it's an ordinance. Is there any public hearings that are needed to be done for these? I did not see anything, but based on our own rules of ordinance changes, is there anything for public hearings that are required?

Now, this is this is a charter change and it's consistent with how y'all have changed the charter previously. uh because we went back and looked. There's nothing that requires necessarily uh adoption by public hearing. Although you got people speak beginning and end. It's advertised for 3 weeks. It's on file, but that's based on my conversation. No, I sure. No, I appreciate that. I just know we change we do a lot of other things at a lot lower level that have public hearings. It just seems to be and if this was a ordinance change, I didn't know if we required an or we required hearings. Why does it verify

zoning? The zoning procedures act requires public hearings. That's why you do them for zonings. Any kind of change in zoning zoning or special per use permits, the zoning procedure act requires those to be by public hearing. I guess I would just want to I'm not disagreeing with you and we have another read. We have another meeting. If hearings are required, I would suggest that we have them just to dot our eyes and cross the tees. I'm not sure. I just figured I would ask the question because I'm not seeing them. I just figured I would ask and I didn't see anywhere that it had that it had to be right that way. That's why I asked I just asked the question. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Okay. Um anybody we doing these one by one? I guess. Yes. Okay. So it just reads. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. The next item u excuse me. The next item is a um post amendment to article 2 section 2.09A of the charter of the city to change the date of the first meeting in January after a municipal election to the first Monday excluding legal holidays. Okay. Anybody have questions on the next on this one? M Mayor, let me just make Oh, right. You're supposed to talk. Sorry.

Yeah. I just want to make sure that the full read gets correct. So the under because Sharon also has the summary. I want to make sure the actual uh the proposed chart amendment seeks to amend R2 section 209A by changing date the first meeting in January after municipal election to the first Monday excluding legal holidays to read this way. This is only the part of subsection A that's changed. The city council shall meet on the first Monday excluding legal holidays in January immediately following each regular municipal election and it goes on. The reason why it's y'all's charter when you were having a meeting sometimes fell on the holiday and we were trying to get past that. Uh the rest of the the rest of A says the meeting shall be called to order by the mayor elect and the oath of office shall be administered to the newly elected mayor and council members collectively by judicial officer authorized to administer oath. The oath shall to the extent that it comports with federal and state laws be as follows. And it's the same oath.

Thank you. This is just really a cleanup item that will fix a lot of the confusion that happens every election January after election year. All right. Any questions on that? On to the next one, Sharon, please. Okay. This is a proposed charter amendment to article 1 section 1.03b per 36 and 37 per A related to special districts, bonds, and intergovernmental contracts. Um, yes, mayor. I'm going to

Okay, go ahead. So uh the specific change under ch under the proposed charter amendment seeks to amend article 1 section 1.03b 36 37A and 43 as follows in se section 36 by adding the words except as provided in section 1.03b 43 in subsection 37A by adding the following sentence this subsection shall not apply to section 1.03B43 03 B43. Nor shall same apply to general obligation bonds or intergovernmental contracts backing revenue bonds issued pursuant to law. And in section 43 by deleting the last sentence of section 43 uh that was brought up by Councilman Lambert during the February 23rd meeting, I believe. So that sentence has been deleted. So I do want to spend a minute on this right now. You don't change the charter. You can enact special districts. Period. Why? Because the constitution gives you the power. The constitution trumps the charter. But the constitution's also in the charter. When I read you the first uh section 1.02, whatever it was earlier to begin this conversation, there's a legal procedure for how you do that. And we're just cleaning this up. Um, there's also, uh, well, I think I hit that. Let's see. General obligation bonds have to be voted on by public anyway. That's why I said pursuant to public law. You can't just issue general obligation debt. You have to have a referendum to do it. So, we're not avoiding a referendum on general obligation bonds. We're just cleaning it up. And remember, in the annunciated paragraphs of 1.03, 03 there's like 43 different paragraphs that says what

all your powers are and one of them says you have all powers anybody else has and this is to be read very liberally uh in these powers. This is just cleaning that up but remember for general obligation debt you still have to have a referendum uh with respect to intergovernmental contracts by law you can enter an intergovernmental contract with another governmental entity already. The reason why that's in there is because you are authorized to do that as a matter of law and other governments are as well. So, we're just cleaning up. The last thing I'll mention was that when the city was first created, there was we don't have a fire department, but we've eliminated the last sentence of section 43 in case one day y'all have a fire department. If you'll remember the enunciated powers of a city, one of them the county cannot provide fire services and to a city unless the city contracts with the county to provide it. So we eliminated a paragraph from a city that was created a long time ago when there was no thought of fire. And I'm not saying there's a thought now, but it just opened up tool books for later by eliminating the last sentence dealing with fire. if you ever decide we want to fund fire um differently right now by the way so everybody will relax everything is governed by service delivery strategy and y'all contract with the cab county for that

mayor that's all on that one okay um I want to oh go ahead John

I just wanted to say that I uh understand that we are legally able to make these changes not disagreeing with that I guess I'm just disappointed in the spirit spirit of the changes in the sense of the special districts especially uh in the changing of the possible millage rate. When the city was founded, there was a ceiling. We are now at that ceiling. If we need to go above that ceiling, the hope was is that we would go to the citizens. Uh if we ever need to do a special district, especially as those districts might already be covered by the taxes being provided, I personally am against this change. I understand we're legally able to do it. I'm just um I'm disappointed that we're giving the opportunity to do it. I don't know. I'm just It's my own personal uh flavor on it. I I wish we weren't going there today, but I understand that we are. So,

John, can I address one thing? I probably should have. So in the 103 powers and construction the reason for the change where it is is because it conflicts with section 43 which reads this way special districts to exercise all authority provided by article 9 section 2 paragraph 6 of the constitution of Georgia to create special districts for the provisions of local government services within such districts and to collect fees assessment taxes within such districts to pay wholly or partially the cost of providing such services therein. And in part, it makes no sense to have the subsection where I just put it up. Subsection 37A in in spirit. It deviates from section 43, but under rules of construction, we're supposed to read this in a light most favorable to y'all. So, I don't really think we're violating that spirit. I think whoever wrote this did their very best at a time. We've learned a lot through case law. I'd like to think we've learned a lot through 36 years of representing folks and governments that this change is really mopping it up. But I hear what you're saying. I understand completely.

Well, thank you, Ken. Again, I was just thinking if we have a a need for public uh safety improvements that are above the tax rate, we should go to the citizens and ask for it versus doing a special district to raise the taxes. Just my personal opinion. Council has the right to make this change, agree to it, not agree to it, whatever we decide when we vote. But I'm just giving you my opinion. So, thank you. Yes, sir. Respectfully, I understand. And you realize, John, I was asked about this. Okay. I kind of a point of clarification, Councilman Hanigan, we already have two special districts, stormwater special district and streetlight special district that you've that you voted for and supported. So,

and neither one of those are in the for the tax rate though. They're outside the tax rate, but it is they are charged for those special districts and it was created already created and you voted for them. So, okay.

And just as a point of clarification, a special tax district, which we're not even saying we're going to create, uh, is outside the it's the same as a street light district. So, it's a different line. So the street light district and and you know as well as rest of us do the street lights happen to be really tricky if there's in areas where there's nobody to pay for them and residents ask for them and so that's it is a tricky tricky problem to solve. I will say that at I don't know 12:30 on siny die in the morning when they should have been finished went to bed thinking they were finished. The legislature passed a bill that essentially potentially will eliminate property taxes for homestead properties in well in Decap in the state. That's a goal. It's not exactly the way it started. it evolved into something very different and we'll see if there's a special session if they bring it back. Um also there's some issue with the department of revenue when it goes into effect but um and so a lot of this may become moot anyway. Um,

and mayor, let me add one more thing for to for for purposes of citizens

to impose a fee for special tax districts, they have to be in place by December 31 of the prior year. So, you cannot oppose a special tax another special tax district this year because it was not be would not be in place before January 1 of this year. So the earliest you could ever impose a new fee would be next year if this was if you one by cleaning this up. You're not impos you're not creating a special tax district. We're cleaning up but you would have to go through the process that's legally prescribed for creating a special tax district and have it on the books before December 31 of this year to even impose anything next year.

Uh any other questions, Joe? Yeah, I really just circling back of our retreat from 2025 of May, we talked about some areas in the city that don't have street lights and we talked about public safety and people walking and being able to see people and having better visibility. And right now we only have, correct me, I believe Michael Smith runs it, but we have a couple of different street lights where we reimburse that's either in a commercial district and that commercial property pays into that or it's in a it's not my neighborhood, but I believe it's in in some neighborhoods where they have street lights in that neighborhood and then they get a actual fee sent in their property tax. So we have the other places that aren't in any of either of those two categories, right? It's so along Ashford Center Parkway, uh, Belony Club Drive, certain areas, they're not abuing a residential or a commercial. So, how can we fix that? And one idea was perhaps we entertain a community conversation of having a citywide street-like district and we'd have conversations and open meetings and and have a whatever we'd have to do there to talk about if you if you want to have that holistically, if you look at safety and lighting throughout the city. So that was the intent of why we're doing this administrative change. So that you know that was what we asked about. That was one of the takeaways from our 2025 retreat. Thanks.

All right. That one more Sharon I think unless somebody else had something to say. The final proposed charter amendment is uh charter amendment to article 5 section 5.03A and section 5.034B. 03 04B amend budget submission and adoption dates

and mayor on this one uh the proposed charter amendment seeks to amend 5.03A and 5.04B 4B. In order to change the dates required under the charter for the city manager to submit for the ensuing fiscal year proposed budget by the first day of the 10th month of the fiscal year currently ending and to change the dates required by council to adopt a budget for the ensuing fiscal year by uh the first day of the uh by the first day of the 12th month of the fiscal year currently ending to read on or before a date fixed by city council but not late later than the first day of the 10th. month of the fiscal year currently ending. The city manager shall after input, review and comment by the mayor submit to the city council proposed operating budget and capital budget for the ensuing fiscal year. The budget shall be accomp accompanied by a message from the mayor and city manager containing a statement of general fiscal policies of the city, the important features of the budget, explanation of major changes recommended for the next fiscal year, a general summary of the budget, and such other comments and information as they may deem pertinent. The operating budget, capital budget, the budget message, and all supporting documents shall be filed in the office of the city manager and shall be open to the p to public inspection. The 5.04B. The city council shall adopt a budget for the ensuing fiscal year no later than the first day of the 12th month of the fiscal year currently ending. If city council fails to adopt the budget by the prescribed deadline, the operating budget and capital budget proposed by the mayor and city manager shall be adopted without further action by the city council. And simply all we did was change the date structure.

And that was at the request of finance. Right. Correct. Okay. Any questions or comments on this one? My comment is that Richard Plateau did agree to this change. He blessed it, right? Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Um, that concludes business now. Oh. Oh, right. Sorry. All right. Item five of the consent agenda, the 20 Anyway, that y'all can read the 32526 city council 2026 strategic planning retreat minutes. And I'm gonna turn this over to Tom so I can

um yeah, I have a conversation on this one. So there's a meeting minutes notes and it addresses the uh what was discussed and then I'm asking for where let's have next steps, action items, a plan, deliverables, due dates, responsible person. So I don't know if if Jay's in the room, he put it together. Um is there We have the uh it's 138 page PDF in there and in there the the very end it's catalytical initiatives in there and we have one two three four five you know we have the major categories I appreciate that um down at the bottom of there page uh but are we going to have next steps that kind of stuff Jay thank you

yeah thank you probably the best way to address this is from the retreat this year instead of what we called a laundry list from the past couple where we had 30 or 40 establish this do this. This gave direction to staff more than anything else. It gave focus for things which is in and I had to scroll through it after I just downloaded it down here. The initiatives are all related to focus groups that we were talking about like maintaining our neighborhood. Everything on here gives direction to staff on developing things throughout the rest of the year. We will be bringing things to you throughout the year saying what it focuses on. So without and I'll just get into this um um can't brainstorm a specific item, but as items come up, we'll talk about how they related to the goals that were set during the retreat if that works to the the will of council. I appreciate that. Um it's like anything, you know, you you plan, you execute, and then you analyze, right? So we've had a plan, now we get to execute, and then we analyze. So, I' I'd like to have uh more clarity. I know last year we had a couple of, you know, these are set on an agenda item. They're in a PowerPoint and it's kind of hard to find a research.

Probably what'll happen is I'm going to assume probably at the end of the second quarter and the end of the third quarter. We'll go through things that have happened during that time or initiatives that have started that related back basis. Sure. Okay. Right. Thank you. Right. I would uh any other questions? I would I'll move to approve. Second that moved by Joe, second by Rob. Uh, all in favor say I. Any opposed? That passes unanimous. Next up, we're on to discussion items. Item 17, Homecoming Park. Rachel.

There we go. How about now? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, good evening. Um, so this first one, um, we're very excited to bring this for you tonight. Um, it's our next step in in, um, making Homecoming Park a reality. Um, so the first memo I have tonight is for design professional services. Um, as you'll see on the memo, there were six firms, um, that went after this work. Um, you can see our scores that were um, compiled with the selection committee. Um based on these scores and based on prior work with the city, we are recommending um the design professionals contract award to LD Blue Line, Inc. Um we're the selection committee is very familiar with the work. They're actually working with us right now on the Brookground maintenance shop. They've done numerous um projects with us for the city. Um I know we'll be in we'll be in good hands. Um and this contract will be um allocated from general capital project 26B, which is the homecoming park um project we identified last year during the budget. um happy to answer any questions you may have.

Go ahead. Anybody questions? Sorry.

How can we get this done quicker? Um I I did a little search, right? And the analogy is uh let's say three or four years ago, I had an interior designer rem look at uh come up with a kitchen remodel plan, but I didn't have the money then. So now I have the money now. So I need new countertops and blah blah blah. So now I'm just going to go find a general contractor and do it. So can how can we think out of the box and do a simultaneous accelerated delivery plan where you know it's just this CMR project you know all this at risk project manager thing. So, um, they can we just kind of accelerate this, finalize what's necessary, and just get new construction, you know, what can we really do? Can we build while we design? Can we what's can we get this done?

Yes. So, we're actually working on um that construction manager at risk scope right now so we can do this kind of in the background while we're working through the the permitting phase and kind of the the meat that that takes so long. So, we're already working on that. that'll probably hit the street um probably in May. Um so you'll see that this this summer. Um but that's kind of what we're we're kind of working in tandem behind the scenes to to get things moving. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah. Um Rachel, can you uh share with us the community involvement uh with the design of this playground?

Sure. So we Yeah. So we have a steering committee um that we will on board once once the contract with design firm of course is finalized. Um we have a group of about five or six individuals in the community um plus staff um who have personal experience and personal um attachment to how that um all-inclusive playground will look. Um so we we know that we're building the the best playground we can for those families who need it. Um we were actually approached by the Spalding Garden Club a week or so ago and they actually have um verbally offered a financial commitment to the sensory garden. Um, so it we're seeing some great response from the community and just in ways people can help, which is just it's it's very ene. It's exciting.

And also not just how it looks, but how it functions, right? I know that's what you mean. I just want to ma'am make sure that's out there. Yep. Okay. Is this Go ahead, Stacey.

Um, and I know I sent you the video, but I would just if you guys want to come down to the city of Tucker where I work, um, it is a great fun playground. Um, and it has a some really cool fun adaptive pieces to it. Um, and I know um I sat with many meetings with Dave McCaulay um during the uh JCC thing. I would point out to um some of the staff people who are in this thing that I thought we got a new park um but apparently uh where is it? This one. Well, it just kind of made me laugh. So you guys can correct it the next time you go around. The Peda Python Park is not in Demi. It's actually in Aenddale, so you might want to correct that one. I was like, "Oh, we got a new park." No, it's a typo.

End the scope. Get it. Go ahead, John. Thank you, Rachel, for uh taking my email today for a neighbor that reached out to me regarding Homecoming Park. Thank you for, I believe, calling her. Um, is there any residents on the planning committee? I mean, the steering committee, is there any immediate neighbors that are involved, connected? I'm guessing it's more about noise and inappropriate aspects of the park versus trying to find the perfect fit for the the the citizens that'll be using that park, but I'm just wondering if there's any input from that perspective.

So, I'm not sure the residents who have reached out um to show interest in the steering committee. I'm not sure of their location and proximity to the park. Um there are a few folks that we've met with over the years who live right there on the boundary who we've already been talks with and said basically kind of a verbal once we get moving y'all will know they um it's the Romeos they've got a great resource there village and all that. Um so definitely just being the best neighbors we can on kind of project updates and noise and things like that. Yes,

exactly. I know we do their best. We're not going to put the volleyball right next to somebody's bedroom window. So I know that. But I just want to make sure that the citizens know that this is the time to be active in the planning aspect. So again, thank you for reaching out to the citizen that had concerns. So thank you. Consent. Yeah. Okay. Consent. And I believe you're next. Want me to go ahead Sharon? Is that okay? Yeah. Oh yeah. This is just discussion. Go ahead.

Okay. Um, so the second one, um, we we're working, um, again with comprehensive program services or CPS as you probably know them. Um, to just kind of act as an extension of my staff, if you will, um, to just just keep us guided through this this project for Homecoming Park. Um, they again, they've they've done um, numerous projects with us. We're very comfortable with their work. Um, same thing, the the funding for this service would be from that same general capital project, um, Homecoming Park. Um, so we're just asking tonight for the $160,000 contract to be approved. Um, and right now we are in phase one, which is our pre-esign. That's kind of that call out there on the memo. I'm I'm not a designer, so I need to understand the difference. So item number 18 is a project management services that is going to manage number 17.

Yes. Okay. But Eric, does this manage this contract go into construction? Yes. So this this will see through the entire project, right? So it's not just for it's not just for design. That's right. And this is a similar model we follow followed on other projects, right? I just the way they Okay. So 18 is for the project management for design construction and the ribbon cutting in a year. Yes. Okay. Or nine months. Just see what I did there.

I see what you did there. I'm not going to comment on that. Um, and this is exactly what we did with the memorial. Same thing. They were they were with me tandem throughout the entire process. So, they're managing the design and construction company. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Any consent? Consent. Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome. Next, Mr. Venicki. Good evening, mayor and council. Uh what you're coming seeing before you tonight is a first discussion item on putting solar on two of the buildings of city property. Um what I'd like to do first off before I even get started with this is give thanks to Annne Hicks who was here earlier on the sustainability committee and Nathan Sparks who used to be on there. They assisted us with developing the RFP and were also on the review process and we could not have done this without their help. I want to thank them publicly and make sure that they're acknowledged for it. Uh that being said, we'll start off with just a brief presentation and also the recommended vendor CEO Seth Gunning is here today. Even though I've learned a lot about solar throughout this, other than it's shiny, it gets the sun, it makes the other lights go on, I'm not good at explaining that part. So technical questions will go to him. that um first off just so you know this this RFP that was put out is for solar on top of two different buildings. One is adult Dunwy Cultural Arts Center where Spruel is. The other is the North Shallford annex. We looked at ones that we knew we could manage as a first step things can the contract is st uh set up so that if approved it could be expanded to other buildings as we get it underway and we get more accustomed to it. Now the next part I need to explain a little bit and that this is different from a normal procurement process. We're not just buying the solar cells putting them on top. We're going through what's called a sepha, a solar energy procurement agreement. And in this case, what happens is the firm that is selected will install solar on top of the buildings at their cost. The contract will then require the city to buy the solar generated from them at a given rate, and we'll get into that in a little bit later. and it's going to be lower than what we would be paying normally through our rates through

Georgia Power. Now, that in the way these are designed, neither one of the buildings is going to generate a 100% of the use of it. It's going to generate part of it. So, we'll still have a Georgia Power bill for each building, but we'll also have for the selected vendor a bill from them that will produce overall savings over the long run. Um, three firms bid on this. Uh after the uh scoring and interview process, it was narrowed through two and we had to go through a financial analysis to pick one of the two and it uh was Sunpath Solar was the firm that was recommended to council for this nine. Um to look at the estimated savings and this is one where unfortunately my inner economist always cringes at 20 and 25 year forecast because after about year 10 you're guessing. Um so we started focusing on first year. So just looking at for those two buildings over the the past year's worth of bills, we'll probably save about 11,000. Now again, these the annex is a fairly small building. The art center is a little bit bigger. A lot of the art center roof is not usable because it's slanted. Uh so we're still saving some. Now, here's the part about what the council will be approving if this is is approved by council. What you're approving is a rate agreement. So the rate agreement would be with the vendor for 9.94 kilowatt uh cents per kilowatt hour. I can never say that correctly. And that rate will escalate 2.69% annually throughout the life of the contract. Now we have already looked over the draft contract and we will have to do some nuancing with it to make sure that it does not bind future councils but that can be done through this. Um, also just as some other things along with this, um, the firms have, uh, has agreed that they'll also look over our electric rates for everything else we're paying throughout the city. Um, part of the neat thing about this is we see some rates and there's a code GPLC 102 and we're finding out that's probably not the rate that should be charged to some

of our buildings or the like. So, they're going to work with us on a rate review of all of them. All of the proposals included that from every vendor that was in there. And the art center location is also going to have a public education component which was part of the RFP. And with that, uh, Seth Gunning is here to help answer any technical questions or any other questions that council has. Rob,

I'm just going to simplify um SEIPA um and I can be corrected if I'm wrong, I guess, but um what this lets us do is a private vendor is going to put solar for us at no cost to the city on our buildings and then sell us power at a rate less than we're paying now. So, um it's basically aside from the time, staff time to put together all the contracting for this, um it gives us a system that will be maintained by a private vendor that generates energy savings for us. So, it's probably the cheapest way to get solar from the city standpoint and get a benefit and requires no

no really no further action from us aside from a little bit of oversight of the uh of the vendor on an ongoing basis. The council member is not wrong. Catherine, when I got solar on my house, I had to get approval from Georgia Power and then I wanted more solar and the trade-off was that Georgia Power said I couldn't sell it back. How much solar do you are you putting on there is to the sellback stage would we will not be selling any back. We're probably going to generate 25 to 35% of what each building would consume. Oh, okay. Thanks.

Go ahead. Um, thank you Jay. You know, um, this has been a, uh, a collaborative effort to, to say the least, and I want to thank, uh, Rob Price on the sustainability, uh, liaison for committee, uh, Ann Hicks, uh, Nathan Sparks, those folks really helped step up. Um, I have other folks. I've self-educated myself about a year ago. I I only know one 2% of it as well. So, it's very complicated, but I really appreciate everybody coming together um and getting us to this point. I think it's a great first step of seeing this on a couple of places and let's see how it goes and potentially we can look at other city properties maybe or even uh look at where else we could use it if it's covered parking. Um could we look at the feasibility at city hall one day potentially or just other places? But again, I thank you very much and I'm really proud that we've got this here. Thank you.

So, I have a question about the cultural arts center, which is the library, which seems to me has a really flat roof. That Did we ever replace it? I am unsure of the That's theirs, right? Yeah. It's not theirs. It's just to correct you. The library has Oh, you mean theirs is the park or the library is a lease, right? They're a tenant. Let me get Rachel to clarify that because she's better at it though than Okay. Because I I'm not sure we ever fix that roof. That's correct. So, the everything is Sorry. Go ahead. The once you step foot either internal or external library, that is all maintained by the county still and it's an old roof, right?

Yes.

Okay. It's our building. I'd like You know, I've said this before. It was ridiculous that we didn't roof it when we fixed the cultural arts center, Eric. It's wrong. The damage that's first of all, it's mostly our residents that use the library. Um, it's a really needed amenity. Any damage, if they were to abandon it tomorrow, any damage would be our responsibility if we inherited the building and wanted to use it. It feels like I don't know exactly where they're going to want to put the solar panels, but it might be on that very flat roof which has lots of surface. That should be an option, especially if it allows even like more solar like so that the bills go down less. And so if if what holds us back is the condition of the roof, I'd like you to bring that to us.

Let me say, and I'm going to say this off the cuff here, the way the RFP was structured, I would have to bid it out again because we did not yet we did not include the library portion of the roof. Okay? So maybe that'll be phase two because we would need to fix the roof before they could put solar on it. It is. I don't understand it either. It is the contract is structured so that additional buildings can be added at later dates. But yes, currently we could not put it on. No, that doesn't make sense. So the contract is structured so that additional buildings can be added. I'd have to come to council for approval, but if we add another building, if we wanted to put it on top,

we could probably do that, but we can't do it, I suspect, until we fix the roof. And then we if we wait for the county to fix the roof, it'll be forever. So, let's get some let's just figure out what's going on there. Catherine, would the county fix our roof? Is that what you're saying? So, technically their their lease includes an obligation to maintain the building. So, technically, the reason we didn't roof it when we roofed the rest of the building was because it was their responsibility. I thought it was kind of short-sighted then. I think it's kind of short-sighted now. That'd be odd in a lease agreement that It was it was an odd um acquiring of the building having been on the other side of that. All right. Check.

Let's just Eric and Jay take a look at that please and figure out um because we don't need to, you know, eventually they may want to move the library. I hope not, but we need a building that's functional. Thank you. Um consent. Everybody okay with this for consent? Thank you very much.

Okay. Thank you. All right, Michelle. Fun times. Okay. Get um Oh, there. Hello. There we go. Good evening, mayor and council. Um, so I'm here to discuss an agreement with the uh between the city and permanent RCD for bridge enhance enhancements for the I25 east express lanes. So this is strictly um an agreement um with PCID so that um then the city will enter into agreement um with G DOT um and so this is for the bridge aesthetics um at Ashford Dunwy and then also um at uh Perimeter Center Parkway. Um, how it would be structured would be that the PCI would um, essentially give us the money 30 days prior to the financial closing for the express lanes and then at that point we would pay GOD that money. So, it's essentially kind of like a pass through.

Okay. Do we know what their design looks like? Um, we do have some renderings. I don't have them with me, but that's something that we can bring back when we It needs to be in the packet, I think, just because maybe we're curious. And um they have been working with you. It was Oh, I might never mind. Sorry. Somehow I missed it. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yes, it might be item. I just saw our um aesthetics in there. I did not see Okay.

per um aesthetics. Kimley Horn also did that did our aesthetics also worked on the perimeter um aesthetics for the bridges. So I'm sure they're very similar. DOT had the similar um requirements and um that they put on us for our Shanley Dunwy bridge. So I got an a letter the other day. I think it was a letter, maybe an email, but a letter that they're getting ready to start talking about redoing the Ashford Dunwy Bridge, the maybe the diverging diamond or something. Yes.

So, how how does that play? Do we just not know? And also, if they're redoing the bridge, why is anybody paying for the br? I mean, again, aesthetics for the bridge. So, they'll be redoing it and kind of um as part of the top end also. So, they included all of that together. And so it's the aesthetic pieces that um like we're doing on the Shambly Duny Bridge,

right? Okay. Um anybody else still Oh, here exhibits. Um you have a question, John? Anybody else? Okay. All right. Next item is Oh. Um I guess cons is everybody okay with consent for 20? Yeah, 20. You're okay with that. All right. 21 agreement. Go ahead.

Yes. So, this is the agreement with G DOT um for um it's a a number of items. It is um for the 285 East Express Lane enhancements. Um so, this would be the bridge aesthetics um for um the three bridges. So, it's Shambbley Dunwy, Ashford Dunwy, and the Perimeter Center Parkway. Um so the shambley done would be a city um funded um effort and then the other two um would be PCID. Um there are operational improvements at the Ashford Dunwy interchange that's part of um the improvements and there's the shared use path um at the bridges for Shambbley Dunwy Ashford Dunwy and also at North Shallford and um North Peace Tree Road underpass. Um, additionally there are sharedities paths along the Catillian Drive between Chambbley Dunwhaty Road and North Peace Tree. And this also does include the top end trail from Georgetown Court to um, Wisconsin Drive. So um, all of the operational improvements to um, and the shared use paths um, and the trails, those are there are no costs to the city or the PCID. Those are just getting absorbed into the top end um, the 285 express lanes project. Um where there is a funding commitment again is that Shanley Dunwy Road bridge aesthetics um and that would be for 1.16 million for the city. Um and then the PCID is funding the other two bridges at 3.43 million. So this is an agreement um to approve that funding.

Okay. Any question? Go ahead John. Thank you Michelle. I'm taking a look at the various documents and I don't really have any big issues to start with until I start looking at the Jacobs and more deep into the document. Can you tell me as far as the layout where are the entrance and exit ramps are for the express lanes, right? That's a really hard question. Um I and I don't have a graphic unfortunately. Um, I'm looking at all the graphics deep in the document. It shows all the layouts of where everything is and I'm trying to understand it. Um, try too hard.

It shows the entrance ramp. It shows ramps. It shows various things. But I'm I'm trying to understand the graphics in front of me to see where the entrance and exit ramps are. Okay. So what we can do is when we come back we can um produce a graphic that shows like a highlighted areas where the entrance and exits are that we can provide as part of the packet. Okay, those are firm the they're not firm. So they're not firm but as part of the the current plan and and that does all change um as they I mean they're still picking a developer um and that developer has the right to make changes. So this is just the information we have today.

Well, one of the things that I saw in the document was very concerning to me. If you take a look at page 91 of 134 page of that document, right towards the back, it shows a catillian drive at the top of the document. If you could bring that to the screen. I would need I would need to go to the packet. Um, can can someone in it come assist please or Jay? Either way, um, comes Jay. Well, it's page 91 of 134.

Yeah, I'm just going to park it up. It says Catilian Drive at the top, which under we're on 21. Is that the one you're the blue dot to blue piece of paper? Um, Catillian Drive. The reason I'm concerned is that the city of Shambblei has um on Catillian Drive. Is it on the drafts exhibits? I just want to make sure I'm pulling up kind of.

Here's what I'm concerned about. North Peach Tree Road interchange. It is the city's understanding that the intersection site distance distance will not allow for return access lane between Seavoy Drive and Catillian Drive, but that the phase developer will make intersection improvements to mitigate one-way traffic. We are onewaying from everything I've seen and heard that we are going to one-way both Seavoi and Catillian. Now, you're gonna have in the city of Shambbley, just inside 285, it's all zoned for high uh office. I'm not sure that will ever happen, but it but it is zoned for thousands of office space and apartments and everything. High density,

high density on the inside of 285. And you're going to oneway Catilian and Seavoi, but you're not based on this document right here. I'm learning from G dot that they're not going to have a return lane that swings back around, but we are putting a 12-oot path on North Beach Tree, but so we're accessing paths, but we're not accessing a return for the high density and all the vehicles that are going to be using Catilian and Seavoi. And that is deeply disappointing based on all the conversations that we've had with GOT regarding this project. one weighing both of those streets without having allowing access to swing around is very detrimental to our community and I don't understand how that is moving forward in the conversations that are you know happening now. So I know that that was requested um and we had discussions and like you said the statement with that we got back was that um it did um it was not feasible due to the site distance um and so we would have to um just go back to G dot and ask that same question but I think we'll get the same answer. Um I have not seen um the distance documents myself, but um

I'm told there's going to be entrance and exit ramps, exit ramps somewhere in that area coming off the highway. And then you have high density inside 285. You have businesses on both sides that people are going to want to access. And having no automatic lane that would allow quick access to get from one side of the highway to the other is very detrimental to our community. I need this fixed. I am not voting for this until this this needs to be discussed. I I am upset with this. I think it's really needed. So, I think the challenge we face because I wanted to invite somebody from GOTO to come talk to us because I realized I haven't had an update in a long time and they aren't really talking about it until they pick a developer sometime this year.

Yes, it will be at the end of this year. And so, they aren't also they also aren't making changes. So like my from when we looked at the bus rapid transit the stop in between doorville and Dunwoody which is perimeter I mean those two stops was to be in the area you're talking about but my sense from the data from the bus rapid transit is is that stop that stop isn't going to happen anymore

but we don't know for sure and and then worse than anything is is that well from the worst more complicating is is that the developer is allowed to make changes. So they can come in I mean G dot can say yes or no but they can come in and say so like on the 400 section I think they made like 20 changes or something. I mean like they took entrance that's how we're going to get Peach Tree Industrial is we're going to get the developer to put it.

Well again I'd love to be an entrance or an exit at Peach Tree Industrial too. We haven't seen anything going to get that through the developer maybe. Possibly. I think we've pushed really hard and I think that the numbers show that it would work. Um I think the one in the middle won't. I I think the numbers don't show it. Shambbley can wish all they want, but it hasn't happened. And um and that stop was for bus rapid transit. I mean, that was why they were doing it. So, um I guess all I see is that we're discussing what our fences are going to look like, right? I'm I right now I don't care what the fence looks like. I want to make sure that our community can flow through these transportation improvements and not be hindered. Go ahead. I

I have a question though. The two-way traffic along North Peach Tree is going to remain correct. That that's the way it looks like. So there'll be a lane north and south under 285. Yes. At North Petri. So would the Cell not be able to just utilize those existing lanes? As far as I'm concerned with the amount of traffic of it being one way, you need a lane that goes back. We're putting that lane on Shambly Dunwoody. Right. Right.

And we should at least have one at North Peach Tree, whether we have one or not at at Seavoy at the Shallford. I'd love to have one there, too. But that being said, not having one at North Peach Tree will bottleneck that area. You know, I don't I don't I don't disagree with that. Yeah. And right now we have a ashtto level path on North Peach Tree but not a return ramp. If that's the case, I would I would request that we have a path at Shallifford but not at North Peach Tree and have the access for the vehicles to swing back around. So when

that's my I'm just I'm not trying to make easy solutions. I'm just bringing everything to the table that I'm reading. So when the last mayor Shambbley and I were working on this pedestrian access under North Pe was a concern, but I don't think that it was one way back then. I'm not sure. I mean that was a lot of years ago, but maybe it was. It's all kind of been going on forever and will continue to go on forever. But I think that maybe we have a conversation with G dot, see if they'll have a conversation um about if the path wasn't there, could they do the circular lane like they're doing on Champlain Duny? We can make the ask and see if this makes any changes.

The other thing though is is is that whether North P North Shallford State whether there's still an underpass at North Shallford, it's kind of all so up in the air. That's really frustrating. But there's a possibility they shut off the underpass at North Peach Tree, too. I mean, at North Shallifer, but but that's only if there's a stop. It's only if there's an exit and an egress ramp. And I'm not sure there really is going to be one there. I mean, I'm not sure either, right? It's al So,

but I will say that even if the shared use path wasn't there, because the closeness that they have it to like pushed up against the columns I don't know if that's not going to be enough space and offset set to allow for a vehicle traffic to go through there either. Okay. Could you just confirm that? Confirm that. Yeah. The question is, do we need to sign this at all? Do we need the what? Do we need to authorize this agreement being signed when it's many years away? I know we've talked about that. That's the problem. Many years

because they're putting it together for the developer. So I think we do have to authorize it. The question is is could you just get the information on this one piece? I think the rest of it is yes we'll have to um and so we put that information and see um but also just to make sure like we are changing like the agreement will be that we will not provide any financial um you know we have a financial commitment but that won't be until the financial closing when we will see the documents at that point and we'll see what the plan um and the l the design is at that point right it's also hypothetical go ahead Joe

um Michelle everything we've seen in the past. We've had we've we've shown these concepts of the Shambly Dunwin bridge and that's the only pretty much in my recollection this has been going on for probably what three years who knows you know we've seen a lot of iterations of that and maybe people even on this current council might have been before then for the shamely done bridge enhancement so um the scope of the conversation was purely on the top of 28 if in my recollection we were focusing on the actual bridge

in today's packet with 117 page PDF or whatever it's blown that scope way beyond a bridge aesthetics and what the top of the bridge looks like. So how did we get from talking about what the bridge looks like to this 117 page with a whole bunch of other stuff in it? We've talked about some of this in isolation and then some of the trail stuff is related to this the what the top end mayors worked on a couple of years ago which is you know all this connectivity through the region but I know we've talked about the parcel from Shanley Dumby you know through to perimeter but I I think it's been a really long time since we've talked about some of this other and when we talked about North Peach Tree last it might have been before not before you were on council but it's been a long time.

Okay. And so well if we want to we're focusing on I know the big we get the money of the $1.1 million for the bridge enhancements and get that kind of taken care of. Uh and then we have a lot of other issues.

Yeah. Let me speak to that because I if you look in the agreement that a lot of the things you're talking about are are markups to the agreement. I put them in there because originally the agreement was just the bridge enhancements and the um the path along uh from perimeter to Georgetown. I added the other things in there and G dot still has to review this and okay it but those I my intention there was to document conversations and commitments that have been made by G dot over the years to make sure if we can get them in this agreement then they're in writing that they're going to happen. So, and and they have been presented to council before because I know we y'all submitted letters to the commissioner and then their response was we will do these things and I thought it would be a good idea to put it in this document so that so that everybody agrees this is what the even though some of it's shown in the drawings now it's like this is the agreement we made that these things would happen. Um, and I also added the return access comment in there because I knew it was something that the council had brought up in the past and I just wanted everybody to be aware that in the last correspondence we got from Commissioner McMurray that that when we asked for that, that's when they said, "We don't think it's feasible, but we will look at um improvements to the intersection."

Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Um, just last I'm I've said this before when we first heard about the express lanes. I think it's going to be very devastating to our our city and our community just to have them in general. If you go up Georgia 400 and you see all the trees decimated, um it just enhances uh people just to have single occupancy cars and keep uh traffic which never gets solved by adding one more lane. Um, and I have I have gone on record though that says, you know, one lane roads are are are not safe and the the one the one weighing the Cotillian and Seavoi um instead of keeping them two-way. And if they were to keep them two-way, we may have solved some other problems here. And maybe they could relook at that design. instead of having the one way on Cotillian and the one way on Seavoy, could they keep the two-way flow, uh, have that conversation?

Yeah, that's come up in the past and the it it all depends on whether they have managed lanes at North Salifford or not. If they if they have the manage lane access at North Salifford, then those have to be one way because those are basically the the on entrance and exit ramps. um if they don't end up with access at North Shallford then then maybe they don't need to change and at your technical meeting like because I know you are you still having technical meetings occasionally.

Occasionally so is Shambly there advocating for shallower. I'm not maybe you're not supposed to say what happens in the meetings but I'm just curious because we haven't the top end mayors have not met in a really long time and the stuff at Shambbley was a chicken and an egg question. you know, they believe that the top the rapid bus rapid transit station would spur the dense development. Um, but anyway, I don't know what's happening there. We haven't had one recently with where shame. Okay, John,

Michael, as a reminder, we uh met with G dot. We went down there. We talked to them a bunch of things. We we presented them with specific questions and we got written answers. On April 19th, 2022, we have a letter addressed to us from Russell McMurray stating that the current project the city the city common question. A return access lane from Seavoi to Catillian will be included at North Peach Tree Road. Question mark. The current project scope includes a return access lane at North Peach Tree Road. So in 22 our discussions with them asked for it and they said yes it includes it at that point. What's changed and why not now?

Yeah I think we we have a letter in our files uh from Mr. McMurray from maybe January of 24 somewhere around there. Uh or maybe it was last January, I don't remember, but um where they came back and I guess maybe they did more design or they they moved it further along and they came back and said we we can't do one there because we had sent them a letter reiterating our request and they responded to that said we can't do the access there because of site distance and safety concerns. Dig it out.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll just see this again in two weeks unless anybody else has questions. We won't put it on consent and maybe we can figure some of this out. Yes. And possibly it it will go to the meeting after that. Okay, that's fine. I didn't mean two weeks. We're still going back and forth with G dot and uh but they to an earlier comment, we do have to do something with this soon if we want it to get included in the project. That's fine. We'll figure it out. And also if when you talk to them, I mean when if they want to give us any kind of update at a public meeting since we're so heavily impacted by this project, we would appreciate it. I know they're kind of holding off, but you know. Yeah. Being in the procurement phase.

When is the deadline for that? Do you remember? Is for some reason I had April in my head, but that doesn't sound right. So April or the procurement I think they're planning to select a developer by the end of 26. Okay, that makes more sense in April of 26. All right, I just want you to know that this project was supposed to be finished while I was still mayor and it hasn't even started and I have a year and however many months left. So, that's kind of humorous. All right, Mr. Ays, sorry to disappoint.

Yeah, go ahead. I'm seeking u we're seeking authorization for funding for a small project on Ridgeview Road that will u extend connect to about a 300T segment of sidewalk that's currently missing and also uh widen the roadway to accommodate two-way traffic. Uh we've uh we're utilizing our on call uh small projects construction projects uh contract with Otto and we're seeking funding u to the amount of $190,000 which would cover their their anticipated cost plus a 10% contingency and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. remind us is this work being done in the city's rightway because you're expanding the road, correct?

Yes, ma'am. And it's so Okay. And this is something the neighbors ask for or am I misremembering? Um there's a neighborhood in the back of Manoa Court which um has about five residences there and there's a private drive at the end of the culdeac as well. And currently I've drove there today and if you're if a car is coming the opposite way, you kind of have to wait for each other to to clear um or you might lose your right your view mirror. Pretty narrow. I have talked to these neighbors and they would appreciate these. Okay. I met with them in 2022 and they're looking forward to this.

Right. Okay. All right. Consent. Did anybody Tom, did you have a question?

Uh yeah. Yeah. Well, I was just um so actually I think I drove by you today. I saw the city of Dely truck. I was I was checking it out in person and yeah, that that stretch of road is is pretty rough. Uh but I know there's a lot of there's basically five houses at the end of the street. Um and as everyone knows, I'm very much in favor of pedestrian access and stuff, but we have to build a retention wall and all that and it's basically going along one side of property. Is it is it is there a significant cost a portion of the cost adding that connection or is it the street or uh you know I I guess what I'm looking at is is is the priority of the project versus other um perhaps needs in the city. Uh I'm not saying this isn't important to those neighbors don't deserve a street to drive on. Just I'm just curious because we have to looking at it. We have to build a retention wall and all this stuff. Sure.

Is that is that required for the road itself or is that part of the pedestrian improvements there? The the retaining wall or Yeah. Uh it's just because of the grade that's on that shoulder where the uh residence is where it the road slopes up pretty maybe eight or eight or nine feet above the elevation of the uh the roadway there in order to accommodate the widening of the road itself. So that would be necessary regardless of the sidewalk. So the sidewalk's not a major expense that we're putting in. We're just connecting the the gap there. Correct.

We're connecting the gap between the uh as you're coming up from Alden Point, that area towards Monoa Court, and it kind of necks down to about I think it's maybe 15 or 16 feet wide. uh we want to widen that road to a you know a standard roadway width with curb and gutter and then also have uh the sidewalk to connect the sidewalk in front of Alvin Point to the sidewalk that's down at Manoa Court and the only way to do that is to u we can't well we could have I guess we could have approached the gentleman who has the fence there but um it we tr We try to accommodate everything within the public ride ofway

without having to without having to do any kind of slope easement or so there's space to do the road widening and and the the sidewalk but but we but it requires a small retaining wall in order to accommodate those improvements. Right. Oh, I so I understand. So if we uh if we obtained uh some ride right away from that neighbor, we could have sloped it. But because we're not Okay, I I get it. Right. Um, all right. It was Is that tree clearing? Was that done by the city in preparation for this? It was. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks. I'm I'm okay with consent. Consent. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. That concludes, I believe, our discussion items unless someone corrects me and we will go to our next section of public comment. You will have three minutes when I call your name. Please approach the microphone. When you get there, introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes. Uh, I'm going to go through the cards of people who didn't speak um who didn't get to speak at the last session and then I have the cards of people that had signed up. Ben Jordan. Ben Jordan. Okay. Joe Hirs. I saw Joe leave. Oh, Ben Jordan. He put another card in. Jason Hun. Did he leave? Oh, he's here. Okay. All right, sir. You'll have three minutes at the mic. Once you're at the microphone, introduce yourself, please.

All right. Hi, I'm Jason Hunar again. Uh, Mayor Dece, what you said was patently false about being transparent with the public. I've sent you 14 emails before last week, and you've never responded to one. Yet, when I show you evidence of Flock employees looking at the gymnastics center of the MJCC, uh, you went down instead of meeting with me, you went down and met with their CEO. Um, it really makes me concerned that instead of meeting one of your taxpaying constituents, that instead of being willing to meet with me, you want to go meet with the CEO of a private company whose employees are looking at children in gymnastics studios and pools. Um, as far as the city, I have sent so many emails to the city manager who has never responded before today besides a deferral to Chief Carlson. You mentioned that you've been transparent with contracts and I would love to share this with all the media, all the emails that I have. We have technologies in Dunwitty that we don't even have contracts for Flock Nova. Let's take this for example. You go to the Flock Nova website. On Flock's website as a different product, do we have a contract for Flock Nova? Absolutely not. I sent a Freedom of Information Act request in for it. What is on the Flock Nova website? Oh, it's Flock Nova with the tile of Dunwood. my house in this in this screenshot and we have no contract for it. That is not transparency. I have asked multiple times what authorizes this. No response whatsoever. Is this a software enhancement? No. Go to Flock's website. Go to products. Scroll down. What does it say? Flock Nova. Separate product. What do we use? Flock free form. Separate product. Do we have contracts for any of this? No. Absolutely not. and the city refuses to answer and give public comment about what technologies it's even using today. Yet, you're trying to gate these technologies behind someone who won't even engage with us to tell us what we have today. I don't understand how you don't see how absurd that is. Who has access to flock footage? Flock will not share, sell, or

access your data. This is Well, it might not be on their FAQ website because they've opted out of internet archiving, but as of 10 minutes before the meeting, it was. and it says they will not access your data. Um, I have audit logs showing Bob Carter looking at a gymnastics center of the JCC as well as parks, playgrounds, and schools around Dunwy. Who monitors the camera footage? Nobody from Flock Safety is accessing or monitoring your footage. Once again, I have evidence of flock employees looking at parks, schools, playgrounds around Dunny Duny. Yet instead of meeting with us or meeting with your constituents to have concerns or having an open meeting like you suggested about an absolutely different topic, you hide behind a unanimous vote where you put push forward an MSA and ignore all the concerns of all your citizens. Why are you going to meet with the CEO of a private company instead of meeting with your citizens who elect you who pay taxes in this city? It makes no sense. It's not transparency. Jacob Rob Robinson, you'll have a introduce yourself and you'll have three minutes.

Hi, Jacob Robinson. Um, I am a new resident in Dunwy. I've been here for about eight months. um he took pretty much everything I've been writing down for the past two hours. So that's not great, but we'll go from we'll go with this anyways. I work in fraud, cyber security, and investigations. When we do a fraud investigation, we always look for a pattern of behavior. What I am hearing and what I have learned about the flock safety program company over the course of the past couple years, even working with friends in cyber security, is that it is rife with abuse. There's problems constantly and all you are doing is opening yourselves up to liability, the city to liability because what they're going to do is they're going to violate the MSA. What are you going to do when they violate the MSA? Are we going to have another meeting in a year where we go, well, we felt bad and we asked them about it and the sales department only looks at only does demonstrations with gymnastics with the gym with the gyms at the MJCC because that was one guy. But he only does that to demonstrate that it's safe to show kids to people who are not talking about this. Like my daughter goes to a daycare down the street. I don't want her daycare to be broadcast around and oh that's Jacob's kid. You know what she gets to do? Somebody in California now knows that my daughter goes there. It doesn't matter whether you think this isn't a problem. We are afraid. The younger people in this community are afraid because we see these problems that are coming. You're talking about flock like an abusive partner. Like, oh, if we just give them the right contract. They'll they'll treat us fairly and they'll treat the people of this city fairly. They're not going to do that. They have a pattern of behavior. This is a private company that is we're acting like we have to do business with them. Crime rates around the city are going down. We don't need to be going to get an

extra 2% reduction in petty theft in Dunwy by going and paying $215,000 to flock safety so that way every single child in this neighborhood and in this city can be publicized. It doesn't it's not that important. This is a safe community. The police do good work here. Trust them to do good work. and to the conversation about open and transparent meetings. We're t you're talking about street lights and open and transparent meetings. Yeah, sure. There's accountability on whether the street lights on my street get put in. But guess what? I'm lucky I have one of the street lights on my street. I don't have to worry about that. But we're talking about a private business that is the moment this MSA goes into effect behind the wall. No one gets to see it until somebody sues. And then my job most times is to come in and I get to find out that everybody knew that this was the problem. The people at Flock know that this is the problem and they've been covering it up for years and years and you're just buying into this product because that's what everyone else does. Think critically about what you're doing to our kids. Kenneth West Morland. You'll have three minutes. Introduce yourself. I'm not uh interested in talking to these people, but I'm interested in talking to you guys. This was a small encounter in a fight which if we win can result in the end of Flock Corporation, the abolition of ALPRs, all of these people losing their jobs.

But if we're going to do that is dependent on whether or not we learn the lessons from coming here that we have learned to last meeting we came some people were disruptive. They didn't vote. They pushed the vote back. This meeting, we sat here silently and we let them vote this contract through unanimously.

We didn't do anything to stop them. We didn't do anything to make sure that in our homes and in our communities, they're not putting these cameras up. They have shown us who they are. This guy over here, he just nods at anything anybody says as if he's listening, right? Doesn't ask any questions afterward. didn't say [ __ ] just voted the contract through. These people are corrupt, but whether or not black continues to be in our communities is not up to them. It is up to us. And what we have to do is recognize that we can make sure regardless of whatever corrupt bony vote these potential pedophile enabling Willow Epstein make that we can make sure that flock is not going to survive. Oliver Smith. Oliver Smith.

Hi, I'm Oliver. Um, yeah, I just want to second everything about corrupt bony. I want to come up here and congratulate the council on the uh strength and health of the democracy that we have here in Dunwy. Really impressive display today, guys. Um, I was really impressed. I was really pleased. I wanted to point out a couple of really great moments uh when uh Mayor Augusta Pino over here talked about

transparency which um we've been informed is a lie by our wonderful friend Jason over here. Um but even if even if she was being transparent transparent about what? Screwing us over. I mean there was like no deliberation. You could be transparent about how you're going to move forward with the flock contract despite basically unanimous public comment against the flock contract. You presented us two ways we could move forward with the flot contract. You would think the second option would be not moving forward with the flot contract instead of we could either do it this way or we could do it that way. Oh, and then later on what was really great was uh Councilman Mussolini over here uh decided to talk about how this posturing about how we're putting up this great resistance and flockas had more trouble in the city than any other city. We're being really careful. Um very quick unanimous vote. what incredible resistance you guys showed. I'm really impressed.

Maybe if it was called flock oneway streets instead of flock safety, we would have seen uh some actual push back. But yeah, um this was not a democracy. You weren't listening to your constituents. Um and as uh Kenneth said, I don't think any of us should be surprised. Um this is very very reminiscent of the Atlanta city council meetings the many many city council meetings when there was hours and hours and hours of public comment against cop city. I think people in this area Dunoody Atlanta inside the perimeter outside the perimeter have made it very clear that this militarization this escalation of policing and surveillance is not something the community wants. And all the city council members whether it be in Duny whether it be in Atlanta just sit here smuggly as if they're listening and then unanimously vote all this BS through. um whether they're being transparent about it or not. So um yeah, great win for democracy today, guys. I se my time.

Zack Humphre, you'll have three minutes, sir. Introduce yourself at the microphone.

Back. Um good seal. Uh, I remember I think it I don't I don't know. It's so wonderful to see all these young people here at at Delmoody City Council. I know for me like oh my gosh like I spoke against this flop contract back in February of last year and I was here. I was by myself and like there are times when like you're you feel very very alone and like but yet you still speak out against something because like you believe it to be true and you know and then I saw some continual contracts with flock going and then you know I see a wonderful person like Jason Hunar who who cares so much so much about this community like thank you so much like it it like it it means means a lot. Um, you know, I I I I really appreciate our city employees for, you know, having to take in the time to deal with all this like all these problems, you know, and and and they're told to do this stuff like, you know, that they're they're directed to do this. So, you know, I feel bad for the person whoever the person was that made that like red light, yellow light, green light presentation. I feel like that probably took hours. I I'm sorry. Um but yeah, this is, you know, young people are here. We're here finally. And you know, y'all y'all got to deal with us somehow. Um but, you know, I I don't want people to be disheartened by what happened today. You know, we're going to we're going to continue being involved in the community. We're going to continue advocating for the things that that we believe in, and that's an important part of uh of democracy and community. And um you know I I think it's unfortunate because these are the people

who want parks, who want paths, who want like a greater bigger future for Dumb Woody, you know, who who maybe might not mind a special purpose tax district if it meant that we changed systems that weren't with Flock, you know, if we created something internally. like these are gonna these could be your biggest advocates, but they're not because, you know, we try we try to talk to y'all, but y'all don't always listen to us. Um, so I I don't know where that leaves us. I hope I hope that one day we can we can find that bridge um and and find a future together, but um you know, we're here and I really appreciate everybody. Thank you. Isaac Thomas. Okay, he left. That's you. Okay. Aaron Miller. Wait. Oh, okay. Introduce yourself. You have three minutes.

Yeah. I'm also going to turn around because I I have nothing to say to them. They've proven themselves to be morally bankrupt and unfit for service. I want to talk to you.

Um, sorry. Sorry, I'm not I'm not great at speaking off the cuff, so I'm going to refer to my notes. We witness the system working exactly as it's designed to. They're elected by money in elections with very poor turnout because most people know that none of the options will fight for them. We saw that on display and they remain through and through accountable to money and big corporate business interests and the racket of the police. Most of you are smart people, so I don't need to belver the point that mass surveillance is part and parcel to authoritarianism. Um, tools that have mostly so far been used to repress poor people, and to round up immigrants are increasingly being turned against journalists, professors, activists, and any political opponents of the current far-right regime. But we can't vote this out because our very own liberal city council just unanimously approved the expansion of this mass surveillance state against the wishes of their constituents. So, I just want to encourage all of the intelligent people of good conscience, good conscience here, not behind me, to meet each other, talk to each other, and start to get organized together because it's going to be a long road ahead in the fight against big tech authoritarianism. And the people behind us clearly do not have our backs. That concludes public comment. That's all the cards I have.

Oh, when did you put a Okay, it's called

Oh, if you'll just come up and introduce yourself. three volts. I don't think Oh. Um, okay. You have three minutes. So, uh, I guess we're going to do the same thing that you did before. So, I know someone that's not here now that actually came early and they wanted to talk, but, uh, somehow their card didn't get pulled. H, interesting. Uh, so I'm just going to I love you guys, but I I do want to talk to you guys. Um, I am truly disgusted by all you guys trying to renew this contract. Um, I really hope that you really think about this vote when your children and your grandchildren are being watched by neighborhood pedophiles or when your daughters, nieces, aunts, mops are being stalked, blood is on your hands. All of you guys, blood is on your hands. I rewatched the last meeting. Your words, you already told me everything I needed to know, saying, "Oh, we're going to do this right this time. You already said that you were going to vote last time, but somehow that changed. And we do need to stand up sometimes." And one thing I could take say is it's money. It's definitely is money. You let me down, but you also let the people behind me down, your neighbors, and your community. It's definitely money. You lack morals, principles, and my city of Dun Woody deserves better than all you guys. Um, yeah. So, let's keep the good fight. Um, actually, I got minute and a half. Um, so yeah, let's just do this. Uh, let's keep the good fight. Let's keep

going. Um, and let's remember these people when it's time to election to not vote any of these losers or dummies or puppets. That's it. That includes the cards I have. Do you have So there's liar because we're 12. And then there's I can't read it, but I think it's al. You want to say what it says? I can't I can't read it. Al. Oops. All

All cops, you're going to insult my police department. Yes. Okay, go right ahead. That's my name. Thank you. Okay, that that's how it's pronounced. Thank you. You can start my three minutes. You can start your three minutes.

Thank you. I'm here today because I was brought up not too far from here and now study downtown at Georgia State. As proof of flock blighting not only random suburbs, but anywhere its poles are planted, students have identified at least six sneaky flock cameras surrounding student housing, which, as a side note, have been flooding recently, resulting in the relocation of hundreds of students with no reparations for their damages. It has been documented on several occasions by reputable Atlanta journals that these cameras have been used by by ICE to kidnap immigrants. Not only is this university implicated in this anti in this anti-people crime, but so is Flock. You don't need a bright head on your shoulders to catch that flock to catch that Flock isn't here for our safety. If the extent of their accountability is telling us sorry for spying on local kids minding their own damn business at the pool, who will answer for their further abuses of the community at large? We will not forget who invited Flock into Dunwy when they operate with impunity. You think the absence of a turnpike is detrimental to the community but not mass surveillance? You think any of us will benefit in the long in the long run from this? Keep dreaming, little master service agreements. My ass.

That concludes public comment and now it is a city manager comment. We do need an executive session for legal. Thank you. And council comments. Any council comments? Lemonade days is next week. Really? Next weekend. Not this weekend, but next weekend.

Oh yeah. It's not till May though. Uh yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. Okay. Um I need a motion to move to exit to executive session for purposes of legal. Second. Yep. All in favor? Any opposed?

Okay, thank you. I need a motion to adjurnn. Move to adjurnn. Moved by Stacy. Second by Tom. All in favor? Any any opposed? Hearing none. That motion carries. Six to zero.