Historic Preservation Commission - Regular Meeting

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We'll talk about it when we hit the agenda. But, I mean, I just get this call. I have the name contacts in my phone. I get on the phone. It's Mel Jr., but his dad is on speaker.

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ready then yeah all right welcome everyone today is august 19th 2026 and it is 6 10 p.m uh we'll start off the meeting with a roll call i'm ann vomer krista hutchinson jason wiggins melissa day jordan putnam david hales and i'd just like to thank everyone for the flowers that were sent at the time of my wife's passing i appreciate it i didn't even know oh my gosh david i'm so sorry thank you

Wendy Adza.

Shannon Gonzalez. Verena Pace. Tasha Lowry.

Jennifer Dostromski.

Okay, perfect. Did everybody get a chance to read the minutes from June? Did anyone have any changes?

I make the motion that we accept the minutes.

Perfect. And all in favor? Aye. All right. Minutes approved. Thank you, Dave. Okay, we are going to roll right into our agenda items and welcome Kirk back up here to tell us how the RLS went.

Phase two. I love that house. It's a great house. It's so cute. It's beautiful.

It's amazing how modern it looks. It's really cool.

okay great all right hi um good to see everyone um again so i don't know if you know this but interestingly when i was putting this together i was here exactly one year ago presenting phase one results so you've come a long way um and um the last time i was here was march uh that's when we kicked off the recon survey phase two So now I'm here to talk about the results of the survey. You all received a draft report. We have actually come pretty far since then. I'm going to show you where we're at now. And then we just have to tidy up some things into the final report and bring this information in there. So we'll talk a little bit more about process as well. But yeah, I wanted to use a cool photo. I mean, this is a neo-eclectic colonial revival house. So this is probably from the mid 60s. And so this really is representative of ushering in the new eras of architecture that look old, you know, but they are traditional in style. And so you have a lot of great examples like this. And we shouldn't be afraid of sharing those with people just because they're from the 60s or the 70s. They're still old enough to be considered historic and they're in really great condition. There's someone obviously that loves this house and has taken very good care of it. So has great integrity. But we'll talk more about that too.

I think he might have just called me historic.

um so we'll just acknowledge um all the all the partners and um all of you um jennifer and jennifer thank you for all your technical know-how and every time i come she has difficulties so hopefully i'll continue to get invites thank you um and then i just wanted to show you um our team um ian is new to our team and We were all employed out in the community, surveying, talking with people, and it was a great experience. Really no major issues talking with people, just people curious and interested, and we got lots of crazy stories. So our goals, just to review, conducting the recon survey that meets all the standards that the SHPO and the National Park Service have, provide the opportunities for the public to gain knowledge or information from this, including representatives here in the commission and through this meeting. And then we have completed field work and then the final report and deliverables here coming up at the end of the month. So we're on track.

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So here, this is just a linear schedule. You can see we've been through the first three phases. We're in phase four right now with this presentation. There you go. And just another kind of representative of that survey, approximately 423. I think when I went through the chart today, we're at like 439. So pretty darn close. We picked up a couple extras. I actually just picked up one on the way in today.

I said, I want it.

I'm like, that is 50 years old. Why is that not on the list? Because I really want that one. It was like over here. So this is what, oh, sorry, that always cuts off. I don't know why it does that. But this is our representative map that how it was broken down for us. We didn't necessarily stick to that as a survey, but you can see it's scattered sites. And I'll show you another map that shows that a little bit differently. So with the results on it in our next slide. All right. So click a couple of times. So just to review about how we evaluate and really we're looking for properties that contribute to the natural register of square places and those that do not. And so we're looking for in our evaluation properties that are 50 years old or older. Okay. Plus we add a year. So 1977 or older. We look for architectural integrity. So Would the original owner come back and recognize this house for what they built or what they moved into first? And if it does, then it retains strong integrity. We do look for minor changes. Minor changes can be acceptable to a point. I usually have a three strikes rule. So if you change more than three things on the exterior, you've probably gone past The point of having integrity anymore as a building so, for instance, if you changed an asphalt roof to metal if you change your original wood windows to vinyl and you've recited it. You know, then that would be three changes and so, even though the form might still be there that complete exterior materials have been totally changed so. And then it needs to be significant in at least one area. And so the significance criteria we use are A, B, and C. A, significant with a pattern of history or broad history. So we're talking about religion, education, commerce, those sorts of things. Criterion B, association with an important person. Or Criterion C, architecture and design. So most of what we find in the field is Criterion C. We don't usually know criteria in A until later when we do research. However, you guys do have a lot of great facts out there. And so coming across those, we learn in the field things that we don't know because we're reading them as we go. So that helps us as well understand maybe who lived there, have a name that we can put on the house in the data and that sort of thing. All right, we'll give up on that. Okay, so let's get into the numbers, okay? All right, so we're at, so this is for evaluation of primary buildings only. So we have B, being eligible for the National Register. C, not eligible for the National Register because of alterations. So too many changes, does not possess integrity anymore. D, properties that are newer than 1977. We'll talk a little bit more about that. And then X, properties that have been demolished. So what you gave us, all those maps, were properties in the city's records that were built before 1975. So in theory, if they're all there, we should have no properties from D, properties that are newer than 1977. or even 75, somewhere in there. But there have been a number of them that have already been torn down and rebuilt and obviously are new. So within the last five years, really shiny, boxy, that sort of thing. You really know it's new. So if it was not clearly new, we would probably mark it as a C. Or, yes, a C, where it was probably heavily altered and we just can't tell that it's old. But we know it's older than 1975 because the city gave us that from their records. But it's been heavily altered. X are properties where we went there and there's nothing there. It's just a vacant lot. Or maybe there's a construction fence and something's going to happen. So there are a number of those as well. But the good news here is really the B category. 269 buildings or 62% of what we surveyed being eligible for the National Register. So that means at least 50 years old and possesses good integrity and has some kind of significance.

Wow. That's a lot.

Right? That's a lot. So, and, you know, this is really a whole new group of buildings I don't think you've looked at before, too. We'll get more to that data if you could go to the next one. So this is where, this is the table you just looked at. But here we're bringing in all of the outbuildings, okay? Because that is a park service requirement now is to bring in garages, sheds, Ag outbuildings, you have a lot of those here, horse barns, hay sheds. We see those things out there. So we're bringing in those. We have to evaluate those too. Are they contributing or non-contributing? So we can categorize those. So then we get to this table of all resources put together. You get a really complete picture of the built environment in all of those scattered sites. And so 56% goes down a little bit just because this is upside down in terms of percentage with contributing, non-contributing, but still very strong, 56% is really good. Okay, construction date. These are our historic periods we've been using in the context in the report. So we're keying the number of buildings from those periods here So you can see the vast majority, 67% here, built in this post-war period. And that's where I think a lot of your data was lacking at this point, is we hadn't really surveyed comprehensively things that are older than 50 years, but newer than World War II. And so we're picking up a lot here that's now historic, that is telling a different story about the character of Drake. Okay, next. Hi, this is really no surprise, pretty consistent. It's a low density sort of survey and really community as a whole. We're talking mostly about residential buildings. So, you know, one, one and a half stories is predominantly what we see, you know, three stories when we see a few commercial buildings. When we see it, when we have unknown in here, those are buildings that have been demolished that we have no data on.

What's a one-and-a-half story building? I don't even know what that is. Split level. Split level. Oh.

Yeah, that was a good example. Yeah. Architectural style to really go along with that construction date table. This follows along with that. We have World War II and late 20th century as your top two architectural style categories. So those dovetail really well together. in terms of what we see out there. And these break down into subcategories of style, which you will get as part of the data package and the GIS. But these are kind of the broader eras of architecture. Draper's never really been a place where we see a lot of modern architecture, like mid-century modern. So streamlined, lots of steel and glass, that sort of thing. from the 50s, 60s. We don't see hardly any of that. It's all very traditional looking. And so that's where those neo-eclectic styles, like that first slide, that really tells more of the story of Draper is the use of more of that kind of style.

Yeah.

Great. Primary materials. Again, this is pretty consistent even with phase one. Most buildings are going to be brick in construction. Veneers, including stucco, aluminum siding, and vinyl siding is what we have in veneers. And then, I mean, still a high percentage of buildings that are mostly wood, where wood is the primary material. One of my favorite bungalows that I saw It has, you know, the classic narrow, clabbered wood that is original, probably from the 20s. And it's in great condition. And it's so rare to find those kinds of houses today. All right, thanks. All right, original use. Again, no surprise. Single-family residential being the most dominant. Multi-family residential, duplexes, fourplexes. I think we had any big apartment buildings. Yeah. So that's mostly what's in there. Unknown being demolished buildings and then a few commercial and agricultural. OK, let's get to the maps. So I had to break down the map a little bit because the area is so big. If I would have put that up here, you couldn't see anything. So I broke it down into areas of concentration of buildings just to show you tonight. And so, I mean, the title says where it is. You all can probably picture this in your minds because you know these streets. And so you can see here our dark, our black is going to be contributing buildings. Our red are demolished. Our patch pattern here is going to be non contributing. Or see those are going to be seen. We don't have any old got one over here. This is one out of period newer than 1977 And so you can see when you bring it down into just a smaller area of geography, you can see the concentration and hopefully the number of black buildings really pops out to you. Because this area has pretty strong concentration of contributing structures. And certainly several have been changed, but I didn't count these up, but certainly you can just tell visually that this is a pretty cohesive area in terms of contributing or architectural integrity. All right, next one. Here's another one. So 1700 East, Relation Street, and the east section of Pioneer Road. Same thing. You start to lose it a little bit when you get past here with a lot of non-contributing buildings here. But almost 50-50 once you get past 1700 East. But you go around this ring here, and you have very strong integrity. probably 70% contributing buildings there, which is very high. Oh, this is the whole of Fort Street, yeah, and 132nd South. Yeah, I mean, same thing. This is really what all these are demonstrating. And of course, we're not picking up all the buildings sort of in between. but just in terms of what we surveyed and things that are older than 50 years um you know i i think they're doing really well in terms of retaining integrity i think there's one yeah boulder stream so And I mean, this was super fun for me. These are areas that I wasn't familiar with. And just walking up and down all the streets is really fun. And I mean, there's probably a lot of people from Draper who don't even know about some of these areas. But there's lots of really quaint streets, great houses, and a great variety of what you see out there. All right, next slide. All right, so let's go to just recommendations. So these are going to be in the final report. So those maps I just showed you, I think they have some potential for small historic districts. So maybe they are very tight boundaries around just a few buildings at a time, like a Boulder Street district or Relation Street, to make sure we keep integrity high in those little districts. Maybe we do something more thematically that link a lot of these things, these resources together. It could be based on types of architecture or eras of development in Draper. And so by historic district, we could do it in a number of different ways. And I'll explain that in the report. But yeah, there's a lot of good things out there. terms of education i mean the first bullet point here is really the same as phase one um i think many communities can always do more you guys have done a lot you guys have a lot available for people which is awesome um and then just adding world war ii to that and consider highlighting the newer styles like the ranch house for split levels and split entries which I know my dad would roll over hearing you say that, you know, because nobody wants to think of those as historic. But again, you have a lot of great examples of that, and it's part of the character retreat. All right, next one. Then this list was in the report, some recommendations for intensive level survey. It includes these two houses in this list. We'll probably go through that and look at it one more time and just make sure we feel like we have everything. So I was taking nominations from everybody on staff. Like, well, what did you see out there that you really like that you remember? And so we kind of put our favorites together. But we'll probably go through it one more time just to make sure it's exactly what we want to send you. This is one of our split entries right here.

Do you know where that one is? I know where the bottom one is. It's on my street.

It's 680 6 East, 1.5 South.

Yeah. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of like a dead end street a little bit. And so it's not somewhere that got a lot of traffic. But I love it because it is just very clean in terms of its presentation. And then it has this nice roof structure right here with the exposed beam coming out, which is a nice flair. Kind of craftsman, but yeah, with a nice detail there. So, all right. Let's see. Next slide. We might be done. Okay. So just an update real quick. These are like the 12 products we're under contract to deliver. They're in various states of completion. Some of them take five minutes. So even if it says zero, it's going to just take us five minutes at the end. So we're busy gathering all of these sorts of things. You know, we'll, of course, deliver the shape files so the city can Inserted into their GIS system. And yeah, and so I just want to give you a complete picture of where where that's at in terms of all the deliverables. Think that's one more slide. Last thank you slide. Questions, questions. Yeah, those like questions.

You saw my house on it.

Well, and and remember, I mean, these are not, you know, we do our best to use our professional judgment in making these evaluations. We have owners come all the time and say, you know, why is mine, you know, why isn't mine contributing or why is mine non-contributing? And we explain it and, you know, sometimes appeals to state preservation office work. And so evaluations can change. So, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Any other questions for Kirk while we've got them? Okay. Okay. All right.

So the updated list of historic homes that I sent out, I added all of the recommended homes for

The ILS, a couple of them, I was able to find the actual like name of the house. I did send that to Kirk so he can update that when he's doing the final draft. Most of them, I could not find a name. I don't know who built it or anything. But so those are now on that list that I sent out so that we have those. I also split it up by kind of era. just for ease while we're looking at what's there. So 1940, 1977 has quite a bit and you can see these ones just, you know, it's listed as residents and just the minimal data that I got from the RLS. And as we do research, as we learn more, but this gives us an avenue to kind of look at some of these, newer newer structures and decide are there ones that we want to get intensive local surveys or do a nomination on or do a video on or you know anything like that and i did start one of demolished homes um so and separated out the national register ones amazing so you should all have this but i'll You know, try to keep it up to date. Seemed like there were a couple different versions of the list out there from what Lorraine had, what I had had, what I think Lorraine gave you. So we've got one list now.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Amazing.

All right. You ready to move on? Yep. Okay. National Register of Historic Places nomination reviews.

Yes. So these... All right. I also emailed out to you. So, uh, Coral emailed over, um, the nomination paperwork for the Isaac Stewart house and the Smith Stedman house. That's, uh, Dean Williams house down pioneer. Um, I did look at through them. I didn't have any changes or anything like that. I went ahead and let Coral know. I know she had, but same time she sent it to me, she sent it to SHPO to do their review. That's the State Historic Preservation Office. So they could do their review. I haven't heard whether Corey had any red lines or changes for her on those. So, yeah. I don't know if you guys had any changes or not, or if you've looked at them. It looks good today. So I think, you know, I can let girl know we don't have any changes pending any changes for Chippewa. I think it's good to submit for both of these.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

So exciting.

And after reading this, I'm kind of in love with Gina Williams' house, which is so much.

So, yeah. Okay.

I hear she is not interested in selling.

Yeah, I don't think she is either. I asked her when we went on the tour, and she told me no. Okay. Okay, good. Okay.

Freak out again. All right, budget review. Yes. So I wanted to take a few minutes and go through last year's budget, but also this coming budget since we're now in a new budget cycle. I know in June's meeting, we did go over that as well. I did do a presentation to council a couple of meetings ago outlining how we used the last year's budget. So I have that for you guys as well. But I did just the majority of the money went to the reconnaissance level survey. And I've got a picture of the House and that's the Smith Steadman House here. And then kind of looked at some of the other the other things. Yes. So we still have about $1,500 worth of the RLS that'll go towards next year's, or well, this year's budget to finish out his work in August. Well, July and August. Um, and then just, you know, we've got the historic plaque for NS auto. Um, we got the plaque border and installation for widow maker. Um, and then here's the budget. So what we spent on Isaac Stewart registration, the Smith Stedman registration, we had a little bit of the tier one and then, uh, two bills for tier two. Um, and then that, and it's not a plaque, um, some holders for the brochures, the plaque mount for the wooden maker plaque, um, materials and labor. Um, and that was about half of what that concrete, uh, uh, they didn't check this labor. Public works charges for the materials. Um, that was about half of it. So the other half, um, was covered through. My budget.

Thank you.

Um, and then, um, some more. Your phone stickers. And so we did use that full 15,000 your call counseling gave us an extra 5,000 for the RLS specifically. So that was last year's budget. Um, so this year, um, I put in that remaining 1500 for the constant level survey, a video tour of the Smith Rasmussen House. I'm hoping they're still on board. I know they are. It's just whenever they get ready to. Okay. The plots for Smith Stedman House and Isaac Seward House pending them actually getting approved on the National Register. We did buy or print those images for the home tour that's on here. So we do have quite a bit remaining. Obviously, these are just estimates. The plaques were based on what we spent on the Minnesota plaque. And this is based on what we, the last tour cost. I don't know if prices have gone up, that kind of thing. But we do have some funds remaining. So I don't know if there's projects you guys want to work on, if... You might want to consider, since we have the reconnaissance level surveys, looking at those newly identified structures to see are there ones we want to get intensive level survey on or try to get them National Register nomination or a video tour and see if there's ones that you guys want to concentrate on. That would be my recommendation, just because we do have that information now.

I like this idea of themes and grouping it based on kind of architectural themes. Could we choose an example for each of the themed areas? I wonder if that might be a really good way of at least making a choice on which ones we want to hit first.

Well, too, you mentioned areas, too, that I know that we don't have they're not part of our walking tour information or whatever.

But it looks like from the budget we can only afford to put one on the register next year then.

Yeah, probably. So the funds for this year for the register The Isaac Stewart House already had an intensive level survey done. So it only cost us $1,700 to do the nomination because most of the history research was already done. And then we covered half of the Smith Stedman House, one with Dina covering the other 12. Cool.

How long would it take to get an area on the registry to the total historic area?

That would take a long time. Yeah. Yeah. That would take a long time. I've never actually worked on putting one together. So I probably have to do some research, but property owners have to be willing to do it. There's public hearings that have to happen. Council has to be involved. It's a process. And I know, I want to say Liberty Heights, but I can't remember, but Salt Lake, and this was Probably a decade ago, but tried to do, you know, and they, they have several historic districts. Yeah. Sugar. You know, they've got several historic districts. They tried to do one. I want to say it was Liberty Heights. Maybe 15th and 15th, but anyway, they, they tried to do one for a neighborhood and there was a lot of opposition. State law ended up changing. Yeah. because of the opposition to the historic district. So I think the standard of the number of people in the district that have to be on board is higher than it ever used to be um so it is a process it's something we can look into i would i would recommend you know concentrating on like relation or bolter or you know something like that where there's already a high concentration um but it's something we'd have to look into i just i i haven't actually worked on

Why don't they want it?

Is it because they then are limited in what they can do to their home?

They're not.

Well, I think it depends on how you're setting it up because a lot of historic districts, yes, there could be limits on what, if you're going to remodel your house or do windows, it has to be appropriate. Time appropriate, architecturally sensitive, things like that. At the end of the day, though, like even if your home is on the national register, you can tear it down. You can do whatever you want to it. Just if you remodel it in a way that affects its architectural integrity, you can get kicked off the national register.

Or you may have to pay back money that you pulled out grant money.

Why the neighborhood didn't apply? Why were they finding it?

I think, well, and Salt Lake for sure definitely has standards. You've got to go to a committee to get approval to do work. It's got to be architecturally sensitive, what you're doing, that kind of thing. So I think a lot of people looked at it as you're lending me what I can do with my phone. Okay. It does open up grant funds. It does open up access to information from... SHPO or contractors that do specific preservation work, things like that. But yeah, it does limit what people can do.

Does Draper have a historic district at all? They don't have any. And I think part of that is it's so scattered. It's not just a high concentration. That's true.

Yeah, but even if you're on, say, relation which i think we can all agree has probably the highest concentration it's still not like the whole street yeah yeah yeah so and that does make it hard because how do you you know the the newer homes i i and i Like I said, I haven't put one together or worked on creating one, so I'm not sure all the rules. Like if you can say, and we probably shouldn't have this conversation with Kirk, but I don't know if you can say, you know, this street corridor minus the six houses that aren't, you know, historic or if they're part of it, but they're not held to the regulations because they're not historic or how it works.

Honestly, I lived in the Liberty Wells area back during law school forever ago. And it's a lot of renters, a lot of old properties that haven't been super well maintained, a lot of landlords, a lot of And that, yeah. And that means it's not, it's definitely not a Harvard, Yale.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Frequently it's like misinformation and people just not like taking the time to understand. Yeah. The barriers we see with the historic register, people thinking, oh, I lose control over my house. Right. Yeah. Right. I understand.

Like Ennis, Ennis auto, the, their neighbor and their neighbors involvement in the political process, as well as the hassles that their neighbors gave them. turned them off of the idea altogether. It was just so suspicious of the process. And it took Mike, I don't know how many conversations Mike had with them. I had conversations with them and eventually they warmed up to the idea. So it was just a time consuming process. I mean, we won them over, but yeah, that was what, three, two, three years that we worked on that.

Yeah. And Mike was the former chair. Yeah. But yeah, it was a lot of conversations and getting them the information.

Because it would be cool to have a drapery store.

Yeah, it would be. It's something we'd have to look into. I just, I don't have an answer. I did a lot of talking for not having the answer. Yeah. But yeah, so, and, and I, but I think with the RLS kind of making a recommendation saying these areas could be that gives us an avenue to do more research and kind of dive in and see what's possible.

Obviously, because bolts are a relationship that's so unique. They've got so many of the older houses that people who live there seem to enjoy that and take pride in that. There are areas where they could have enough people that would be up for it. There have been a few that have been blown down in some big, huge houses that have been built in it. But a lot of the cool, quirky houses that people will seem to take pride in.

I just think this information is fascinating. I think the council would be interested in some of this.

I wonder if we put together like an information campaign where we do talk about it with city council and we talk about it a little bit in the comms channels. And not until we're very ready, but, you know, hey, did you know that, you know, Draper has wonderful examples of post-war.

Yeah, that would be really cool.

I think it would be really cool. Right? Because you want to see it. And start making it not sound anything like an HOA. Right. Not an HOA. Right.

I agree. Yeah.

and find the successful example where everybody was on board and you can point to oh well look how it worked in sugar house yeah yeah yeah yeah well i think selling probably does have quite a few successful examples because i know they've got at least a handful of different different um well let's Let's think on maybe next month, I'll go ahead and put the budget back on for discussion and we can kind of discuss it. I know by the end of this month, we'll have that final RLS document. So I'll be sending that out to you guys as well. So yeah, awesome. all right draper days historic walking tour recap what happened to the signs what's that never got put up oh yeah good question um i think the city has them because they're the the big ones right right yeah i think the city has them yeah i took them over to yeah yeah so i'm not sure i i'll have to go with David to see ask what happened yeah um and so I don't know if there's miscommunication with him and the volunteers that were putting signs up for or what probably something like that yeah yeah now they have them so for next year they can go out yeah yeah exactly oh but yeah I think it went really good everything that I heard at my stop very positive feedback

We had quite the crowd, very steady traffic the whole time. I don't think that I ever had a stop in traffic.

Yeah, I went over by a Over a half hour over one time.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. I heard it was really busy. Yeah. Younger kids. Yeah. Yeah. It really shows there is an interest in history. For sure. We're trying to find a sense of place. Yeah.

And it was fun to have them be able to go inside places this time. I think that really helped. You know, I had a lot, I was at the park school, so I had a lot of people that like, oh my gosh, that was so cool to see the inside and lots of stories from community members that went to school there, which was fun too. But yeah, anyone else have anything to add?

I had somebody pull me aside. They were very adamant and it was interesting. They were talking about how, and I don't know, maybe you've gone to some of these, I haven't, where you can tour historic buildings in Salt Lake County and you pay like a small entry fee. She was like, you guys have to do that because she's like, so many people would pay to go.

So I said, I would bring it up. Yeah. So Preservation Utah does two historic tours every year. They do a spring one and a fall one. And it's like five houses. But you can go inside the houses and everything. Graper used to do that. I remember doing one. They did. Like I was a kid. And we do have all the brochures too. So the Historical Society used to do it for years and years. So I don't know why we

stopped i'm just thinking like you look like ten thousand dollars doesn't go very far right so like if we did something like that we could use it towards working on establishing a historic district or putting other houses on the register if we you know all of the time put in to organize it was volunteer minimal supplies and when they did the garden tour here they definitely charged yes you had to pay yeah and it wasn't a small amount it was

A lot. It was a fun tour, though. Yeah, it's cool.

Fair to agree with my wife. I didn't see it. I missed it. I heard it was really cool. It was fun. And it was worth the money.

Yeah. So I have something. Can I tell them? So I had a request from a resident who went to the rodeo. And she said, what the rodeo is missing is the history of Draper. She said, you just show up and you don't know why the rodeo was important in Draper's history. You don't know why. It's just a rodeo. It's just a rodeo.

But we do have a history.

Yes, we do. And she said, all these new people in Draper, they want to know that stuff. They'd rather hear the history than these terrible jokes the clowns make. And I thought it was a really good point. And I don't think it would have to be extensive, but even if it were like five to 10 minutes mixed in with the different things that they're doing, that would be cool. And how it connected to Draper. I think it would make the rodeo more meaningful.

I didn't think about that just now. Does that...

Like ring is something. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cause when she was saying that, I was like, that's a really good idea. Absolutely. That's. like a, I mean, something, the historical society museum type thing, you know, that brings that to mind. Like the museum that I work at, we sponsor the ski drawing events all over Utah where they go in and tell the story of the ski drawing and why it's important to the area.

So very similar story with our agriculture.

Yeah, exactly. That would be really cool. I like that idea. Yeah. I think we should talk about it.

Let's do. I totally want to talk more about this. We actually did, at the Historical Society, did some work with Rodeo Queens as part of the Peoples of Utah revisited project. And an exhibit, a small exhibit, is up in the new museum right now. But also online. I'll share information. So going at it through that community lens rather than, this is what a rodeo is, I think will get us more towards what you're looking for. Yeah.

I think people right now are a little lost. And they're looking for connection. And they're looking for a place and belonging.

For sure.

And we should be able to give that to the people in our community. I think that's a great idea. Also, we didn't get into the theater. And so next time we need to...

I know, they never showed up. What the heck?

Yeah, they didn't show up. Stinkers.

He promised me and promised me.

That's it.

I know.

God.

Stinker. All right. Hey, Draper Historical Society Coordination. Elizabeth? She's not here.

Who went to the last meeting? You did. Great. Update? No, they were just talking about the heritage. Oh, gotcha.

The presentation of the history of Draper that Kathleen did was very good and well-attended. We had to bring chairs in. And we're scheduled now they're going to do another one at the Senior Center on September the 25th. They'll do one every month. September the 25th at 10.30 to 11.30, just before lunch starts, being served. Lynn is going to do it, see that there's another historical presentation, and we plan on doing that every month.

Awesome. Lynn is going to be a speaker?

What?

Lynn is?

I'm not sure she's coordinating. Oh, okay. So it will happen on 25th.

Great.

September 11th or 1030 at the Senior Center. Room 12.

Perfect. All right.

And if I could just mention another thing, I was just contacted by Mike Akagi, and he said, because I was a contact I'll talk a little bit about later, but he has records of the Draper Irrigation Company. And so I contacted Lynn to contact him. Oh, awesome. There's stuff out there.

There's stuff out there for sure. That's great. I'm glad he contacted you about it. All right. That Draper Bank sign.

Still sitting in my garage. Right in my closet. The picture. There it is. So do we want to go over to the bank? Okay. Yeah.

Just let me know when.

Just you and me going or someone else?

Was there someone else with us? Was Lynn going? Oh, Lynn was going to go. Lynn was going. Yeah. Let's find a date and get that figured out. Okay. Saturday would be best.

Okay.

Yeah, any Saturday.

Just let me know. Are you going to talk to the manager, though? Oh, yeah. They probably won't be there on a Saturday. Yeah.

You might have to go without me. Yeah, call in.

Yeah. Sometimes bank managers are that sad.

Yeah.

So do you want to call them? Yeah, I can call them. Okay. What bank is it now? Zions.

Zions, that's right.

I knew it was one of those. Okay. I'll give him a call. Okay. Probably next week.

All right. Widowmaker party.

Yeah. Let's talk about this party.

I'm ready. I have a couple updates. I did talk to Kelly. She said David won't should be able to help us out. They do have something the following weekend. Yes.

Marathon. Yeah.

He'll be working on, but you should be able to help us coordinate that kind of thing. Um, the county said that they can, I haven't gotten them a date cause I'm waiting for you guys to make a decision on that. But, um, they did say they can get the restrooms cleaned in advance that they know what the They aren't going to promise any speakers or anything until they know the date, and then they can see who may or may not attend, and then they cannot close or block off any part of the park amenities.

Yeah, so we can't block the launch pads. That's the bottom line, which we'll just figure it out. I mean, it will be a thing to figure out, but we can do it.

Yeah, so... The other thing, since you're talking October 10th, I will just throw out I'm gone that whole week, so I will not be there. Obviously, you guys can still have it that day, but you will not have help from me.

Yeah, I wish we could come up with a better way of going about it. But the corner claim in half, I'm involved in that. Wasatch 100 is the week before, and I'm involved in an aid station on that. So it is like threading the needle with my schedule. And I'm going to need help too. Out of October, I thought I was going to get the week of the 10th free of travel. It's back on my calendar. So if we decide to do that, I think we've got a good list going on the things we feel like we would like to do. I think if we can get things sorted logistically throughout September and the remainder of this month, I think we can pull it off. I do think, given that we have six potential speakers or six potential contributors from the Bees Club, that we're going to want to have some more formal collaboration or coordination with them. So here's the challenge. For our next meeting, I'm not going to be here. So I'm not sure exactly how. And I'll double check on that. There's a possibility that I can get out of my commitment for the next meeting. But that is another. So those are the logistical hurdles. I think we can do it. But there may be some things that we're going to have to sort out in order to do that coordination with the bees people. Make sure that we have things dialed in terms of the logistics of it. And then the rest of it's just a matter of setup and, you know, making sure that it happens. Those are at least high level kind of what the headwinds that I see are.

Yeah, and I think David Wilkes will be able to help us in figuring out the best way to set up.

Okay.

And then... HAB-Masyn Moyer- Since you know there's not another event happening, we should be able to have access to speakers and microphones and things like that the city house. HAB-Masyn Moyer- chairs that kind of thing so. HAB-Masyn Moyer- I think i'd like to see if you guys do want to proceed with October 10 I think i'd like to see a motion.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- For that on what I was thinking and then read and what's back plan this out. HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah from there.

And then I can let the county know that's the date. I can let Kelly know that's the date and Dave Wilkes know that's the date.

And I can let the Kimball family know that too.

Yeah.

I think having a date is kind of the most important thing so that we can figure out what we need from that.

So I'll make a motion to approve a date for an unveiling. Send a ceremony for the Widowmaker plaque on October 10th, the morning of October 10th.

Who's second? Wendy. All in favor?

Aye. Hey, sounds like motion. Good to go. As far as coordinating. I can't be there on the 10th. I think I'll be out of town, but I can help coordinate like get ahold of people talk to the bees, figure out what we need for speakers and get all of that. I'm happy to help.

Cool. I think I think I probably should have thought out next steps a little bit more in the meeting today. So probably the smart thing to do would be to revisit what we've already looked at so far. Because we put a lot of work into ideas.

The spreadsheet.

The spreadsheet. Why don't I comb through that and start another thread with the group. And let's narrow in on the things that we want to focus on. And I'll have a communication with the Kimball family, get an idea of what they want, and let's just kind of take it one step at a time from there. I do think it would be really cool if we had some way of saying this is our plan, this is what we're going to do, with enough time that we can adapt to anything that might disrupt that plan. So maybe sometime in September.

Yeah, yeah. And a follow up to that would be, did we ever figure out the rules for our sponsorships for something like this. Oh, not to like motorcycle related businesses about bringing water or something. I thought you had looked at that.

I had a conversation with somebody I'm going to search through my email real quick to see if I can't find something.

I don't know. Do we need to answer that tonight?

Maybe we... Not necessarily, but we need to know if that is something. If we're going to be communicating with Rocky Mountain ATV or whatever, That needs to happen sooner than later.

Probably sometime in the next week.

We probably need an answer sooner than that, but not necessarily right this moment.

The other thought that I have is that I'm willing to pay a certain amount out of pocket if we're just talking about water and snacks and stuff. I'm cool with that. if others would be willing to do that too, that might be another way that we could tackle it. I don't think we have to be too crazy here. I got to tell you, talking with Mel Sr. and Jr. on the phone, they're excited as heck about this just to bring their dad up there who's in his late 80s and their families. And this is a really big deal for them. So I don't think we have to have something just crazy over the top we just have to make sure that it's safe and comfortable and it gives an opportunity for the community to interact around this thing that we're doing okay so excuse me um so talking to our finance director sean

Looks like for the sponsorship question, he said, we can take sponsorship money. But he's sort of what it'd be used for. We have to track it. We, you know, that kind of thing. He's, he thinks it'd be better if there is a sponsor, they purchase items directly. So having them. So if there's somebody. Yeah. Donating water. Water. Yeah. That kind of thing. And then the water is there.

For like, yeah. Bringing them in and they can post it on their socials or something. Yeah. Cool.

So there is an office. So if you guys do want to. Look more into that. I can get with finance on.

find out what what we would need for that because my guess is if they're donating something they need a receipt then and you know that kind of thing and yeah that would be all for that the other coordination point that involves other people in Draper City or with with Linda's team I think we're going to need to have a plan with them and find out what they're willing to do to to help us promote and capture breaths yeah yeah this is perfect for her so really and Yeah, that's true, huh? Yes.

Perfect for our facility.

They would love it.

And several others. Are we going to need event planning like chairs and a platform and a shade?

I think that's where David will come in to play because he'll know what the city actually has. and what they have access to. So in my mind, I mean, it really is up to you guys to plan and do the work. But we can use his knowledge and city items for this. So he can help us determine the best way to lay it out. Well, we can't close launching pads and landing pads or whatever. I don't even remember what the facility right there is. But, you know, we can't close that part of the park. So what's the best way to lay it out? He's got the experience to kind of help us with that. And then access to the different items the city has. Like podiums and speakers.

That's not going to be a big budget item. Like renting equipment.

So maybe within this week we can get a loose plan together on how we want this to roll out. Think about what our coordination points are with city. I'll take a look at my schedule again, see if I can be at this meeting. I don't think I can in September.

Would a secondary planning meeting be?

That's what I was going to, that's the reason I raised that. Thank you for bringing that up because you have to, if we have a planning meeting, don't you have to have public notice of that if we have a quorum?

Yes. So, I mean, yeah, an agenda has to go out and has to be posted. Okay.

So we need to, if we did that, we would probably need to have that.

Yeah, I know. No need to have needed. It's just a couple days. Okay.

Yeah. It'd probably be worth having a secondary meeting. Yeah. Yeah.

I think we're going to get it. Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine running this off without it. Especially if you're not here. So.

Yeah.

I mean, looking in September, our regular meeting is on the 16th. So with looking, you know, so three weeks later is the event. So I don't know if you guys want to look at maybe the 30th or the 23rd, or if you're thinking like the second and I, I can look and see what dates are available. Um, you know, make sure there isn't a conflict with another commission or anything like that and let you know. I'm assuming Wednesdays are better for people. Um,

Yeah, I'm back in town the week of the 21st. I think, why don't I take it on as an action to go back, again, kind of review what we talked about before, and I'll make a proposal on a couple of dates that we could kind of get together to coordinate. Does that work? Yes. I'll start a fresh thread. That thread's getting long.

Yeah.

I'll name this one, Seriously, We're Doing This Right Now.

All right. Walkthrough video tours? Any updates?

Before we move off, did we get the article through?

I haven't heard otherwise. We got it to Alex. I didn't hear anything from him.

Yeah, thanks for the assist. I think it's going to be good. Cool. Okay.

Sorry, no moving on. Walkthrough video tours. Any updates?

No updates. I ran into, I don't know his name, during the walking tours. He was really excited, just really whatever, but that was it. So whenever they're ready. Okay. What is his name? Craig. I ran into Craig. Craig. Craig with a C. Yeah, Craig.

Dominguez Escalante Expedition article? Wendy?

Okay. Thanks, everyone who took a minute to read over that. I would love to get that into Alex for whatever issue we can get it into. We may have missed the deadline for this next one. We did. Yeah. So...

Is there space in that for the maps?

We just need to talk to him.

Okay. At least for me, being a very visual person, that really anchored that story in my mind.

Well, you should put a photo with them. It could just be the map.

We can put the map instead of the painting.

Yeah. Get me the final article and the... map or whatever visual you have. And then I can get it to Alex and say we've got this for the next one. I mean, I know he's finishing up the one that will be in your inbox here soon. But so yeah, we'll just get it to him for the next the next edition. Perfect. Perfect.

I'm going to I'm just going to send around some of the other materials that are on that website link. I'll send to send to There is a children's book that was created. And there is a flat Stanley. Yes. And just the textual, the text excerpt from the journal. That's more of like a school lesson plan, but still really fascinating just to read it. The journals are so good. Hard to read, but really rich.

Yeah. Great. Thank you.

So I'm going to talk to Alex and hopefully he can link to at least the Black Stanleys and the coloring book and the maps.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Send me the information and then I can send it to Alex.

Okay.

I will.

Great.

Thank you, Wendy. Okay.

All right, Draper Ethnic and Minority History Research.

But he'll let us know next week. Sounds like he has good things to share.

We'll make sure it's, I'll try to put it on earlier on the agenda.

We won't have a current presentation. All right, slavery and early Draper.

All right, I have a question. And other than that, no new news to report. Did anybody ever go over to the cemetery and try to find where those are? We did find them. Yeah, we found them. You can triangulate from some of the bigger headstones and see them.

Say that again? Was it in the drapery? Yeah.

So that's the question, and that's what David was whispering loudly to me. Oh, okay. What you wouldn't have time to tell me is that There are also some graves that are from the Bankhead family in Union Cemetery. I have talked to Robert Birch with Sema Hadithi and they, like that is the organization that is doing African-American genealogical work for Utah. And the process would be, he has someone who would come out, they would do cannot remember the name of the technology ultrasound and ground country. Something in the letter.

Yeah, no, I didn't say why it was a plane or they do it on the ground. Yeah. So just to verify that remains are there and then

you know, the process would go from there. But he was immediately very interested in putting together some kind of a marker that would be in the cemetery. And my impression is that this is really what Sema Haditi, part of what their mission is. And so we would be partnering, but it would not be our total responsibility to get that done. I've talked to Robert twice at other events that were go busy. And I have yet to actually connect with him in a peaceful setting to pin down any details that I will keep. I'll keep at it. Is that something that we're like really on board to do? Because I thought that we were. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, I think so. I'll need to get with our city recorder. She Her department runs the cemetery, so I'll need to let her know we're looking at doing this. If you could send me some information.

Do you want information about what we've found there, family, or do you want information, does she want information about Sema Haditi and how we would work with them?

Sema Haditi and how we'd work with them. And I know I've been to their website,

before because you sent me some information on that before, but you can send that again.

Just let me know who you've worked with, what they would do, that kind of thing. Okay. I know she has the maps of the cemetery and stuff like that, but yeah. Okay. So she would definitely need to be on board.

The other piece is I paused totally on getting something up on the city website. remember i had written and because i didn't know if we wanted to move that forward before we had like certainty about the cemetery but now i'm sort of thinking there's no reason to wait if alex is still willing to create a place on the website to talk about this family yeah that'd be great wonderful awesome did annie share that she found the big head smith's wife's name No. Which wife? The earlier one?

The mystery wife?

Yeah, it wasn't the mystery wife. It turned out not to be the mystery wife.

I know, I got, like, I was so excited, and then I was like, let me do this.

I so want to know, because I'm like, did she go to California? Right. With the Ways and the other family that went to California? Yeah. Did she go back home with their three children? Yeah. Like she's an infant that was born in Salt Lake City.

Yeah.

And then they just vanish. And then he marries again many years later. And that guy's in childbirth, so he ends up having no children. What did you find?

I found...

something about why they were buried where they're at. And it had to do with him adopting this other child that came to live with him because there was a weird name on the original cemetery plot. And I was like, who is this? Why are they buried there? But it was that child that they took on. I found some stuff. Yeah. There's some really good stuff written about it at the historical society. It was like a firsthand account of, of this child that went to go live with him.

Which makes sense now since he... Yeah.

And it's, it's the other grave marker that's there right where the other slave graves are. That's right next to it. And that's the child he took in.

So not turned on to him. Another interesting thing that I found is when I was walking through the cemetery is that Hannah Heward, who was the girl who danced with the boy, Oh, yes. Her headstone is in place and she died very young. So I have all kinds of questions.

Oh, interesting.

Questions. Um, but yeah, but I think we can start with what we know, what we've gathered and just get a tribute up to this. These enslaved people who were mostly children and grew up in slate and paper.

Yeah, I think that's great.

That's cool.

And then we'll keep going. Thanks, Wendy. All right, America 250.

Anything new? We kind of concluded our mission and disbanded our... Perfect. Gone. Yeah.

When was July 1st? They did some things on the 5th.

Birthday's over. I wasn't sure. 251 just isn't the same. Yeah, that was exciting.

No. Okay, walking tour brochures. David is not here. Review action items for next meeting.

Okay. I need to let Coral know that we don't have any changes to the nomination reviews for Isaac Stewart House and Smith Stedman House. I will put the budget on for next month so we can continue discussing what we, what we'd like to do. Um, Annie, Nancy, and potentially Lynn are going to go to the science bank to talk about the Draper bank sign. Um, Jason's going to revisit the spreadsheet on widow maker and start a new email thread. Um, I will let, uh, Kelly, David Wilkes and the County know October 10th is the date. and look at a second meeting date possibilities for September to see when people are available.

And I asked Kelly if there was money for snacks and she said the city can provide snacks. Yes.

That's some value add.

Amazing.

Trust me to bring the snack. Necessary.

Yes.

Thank you. Let's see. Wendy is going to send me her article on the Dominguez Escalante expedition as well. well as some information on slavery in early days before the website and information about Robert Burke and his organization. Okay. That's what I've got.

All right. Anything else? Anybody? Hey, can I get a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

And a second.

Second.

All in favor?

I'm going to put you in the.