Board of Commissioners - Special Meeting

like to call the meeting to order, please. Good morning, everyone. Happy New Year. I hope you have a great 2026 because I'm expecting to have a great one. So, at this time, I'd like to approve the agenda. Uh, Mr. Chair, there was one change. The LES deputy baift contract did not come in in time. So, we can strike that item. Uh, we are starting with resolution 26-05. Thanks, Lenny. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. Second. Thanks, Tim. Thanks, Jerry. Uh, Len, please.

Rap. Yes. We Yes. Meer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Motion carries. Need a motion to approve the minutes. So move. Second. Any additions? Any corrections? We're all good. Thanks, Jerry and Charlie. Len, please. Weey, yes. Meyer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Helina, yes. Rap, yes. Motion carries. Thanks. At this time, we'll call up Tabitha from community her human Human Services Director.

Good morning, commissioners. The agenda item that I have before you today is regarding uh the the request for some additional staff uh to respond to the implementation of the Minnesota Paid Family and Medical Leave Program, which you are familiar with. Uh this is a program that became effective on January 1. Um it's funded by payroll tax and this program provides partial wage replacement for up to 20 weeks of job protected leave annually for serious medical issues, bonding with a new child uh or caring for family. The program provides between 55 and 90% of wage replacement uh during leaves. that can range from intermittent utilization up to 20 consecutive weeks. Uh implementation of this program is uh exciting but also interesting from a staffing perspective. Um the programs that social services provide are mandated services with very specific requirements around contact and we are uh responding to the health and safety needs of the most vulnerable in our community. That being said, uh this sleeve introduces um some staffing gaps that we are in a position to need to respond to in order to adequately do the work that we're charged to do. Uh we are working through a variety of options to try to address the staffing need. Uh looking at options like additional staff hours with the current team that we have. um rearranging a little bit, restructuring internally to meet the needs. Uh some of the program areas have very specific training requirements and training curriculum um that just don't allow for initial transfer. Um and also working on a partnership potentially with uh other counties in the region to be able to do some kind of

a shared staffing model of sorts to assist one another uh while these leaves are in play. uh because they are a new introduction to all of our agencies. Certainly. Um from a fiscal perspective, uh the intent really is to utilize some some dollars that we would not be spending uh when staff are utilizing the paid leave program. So, um from a base wage perspective, I understand that there are still payroll taxes and benefits. Um, but from a base wage perspective, like a social worker for example, uh, being out for 20 weeks, uh, totals like $26,000. Um, we have several leaves coming up within our social work, uh, team, uh, some of them overlapping in, uh, nature. And so my request today, uh, is specific to meet a very immediate need within our agency to, um, add up to two additional staff. that's not guaranteed that I would ever need that. Uh but certainly with the climate uh as it relates to this and will we work out some other models, my request for the board is to have the authorization to hire up to two additional staff during 2026 to meet basic needs of our staff.

Mr. Chair, yes. Um Dabbath, how many do you have that have applied so far? Um I don't know that exact number. Uh we have several staff who are expecting um that will be uh applying. The vast majority of this has been expectant. We I'm on the horizon board. We've already got three that Sure. same thing. The money within I within the program you have explained is what you're hoping to use to pay for that. Is there any correct

part of the state at all refunding like you do for a lot of the social services? No, not for this program as far as paying their their salaries. Just through the program itself is what we're hoping to get it. Yes. I mean, I would hope to utilize money that we're not spending currently if they're not utilizing their acrals. Um, we would just not be spending money that we've budgeted for for their salary. Okay. Well, Mr. Chair, I got a question

and that and that that is I mean in in my opinion I mean we're going to kind of be on an experimental workforce here because these people that you hire I mean a week could go by something could happen. They could go on this. So I mean I'm just saying that we this to this to me is a slippery slope but I I guess again we don't have any uh any any way to get around it. It's it's here and and uh I guess we'll do our best to uh see how it works.

Yes, I I understand it is slippery and it does feel a little experimental. Um I I just have some concerns about being able to meet the very basic needs of our uh mandated services and we need people in order to do that. Um and I think our you our need right now is unique in that there are multiple people within uh a shared work space right as it relates to some social work units. Um that need may not arise again for several more years could come up and certainly while you said expecting I mean there are plenty of other people who might need the leave that we just don't have on our radar.

Didn't we hire the state to do this? Are we part of that program for this for the paid leave? Yeah, we're the state, right? Yep. Is administering that through They're not going to manage any part of this. That's not what they're getting the fee for that we're hiring. No, my understanding is that they just uh administer the actual eligibility of the program. They only decide if they're eligible and all and the percentage. They don't manage any Oh, that figures. sell more cannabis. I guess Mr. Chair, I got a comment to make. This morning on the news, they said there's a little over 16,000 that applied in Minnesota and twothirds of them already

have been approved. Over 10,000 have been approved. I heard that, too. Yeah. Great. Okay. So, Mike, as long as we're going to question Tab, how many do you have out right now? Uh, zero at this point. Nobody at this point. Nobody's went back to 2025 or they have applied. They just haven't picked a date yet. Correct. We have one that's approved at this point uh with coming out leave because they can pick any date they want. I think they can identify that. Yeah. As a department head, I'm I'm a little removed from I'm with you process. I mean, I've been working closely with Lee and HR. Um but from a user standpoint, I've not seen the interface with

And then my follow-up question is doesn't Jill isn't the state paying them? We're not paying them. The state will send them the check. Yeah. Okay. if they're utilizing the paid leave component. If they utilize their acrruals, then certainly we're still paying them. But uh the fiscal component that I'm talking about is money that we follow we've budgeted that we would not be spending if they're being paid by the state. This is just beginning. But then my next question back, you're saying up to two people. I think we should have in there that if you go up to two people, you either got to have four people out or three people out. We don't hire two to replace one. And so we're just not all over the place. I'd like to kind of see that a little bit too.

Absolutely. Yes. And I I am open to whatever uh the board thinks is most appropriate. I just want to make sure that you understand that there is a need uh for additional staffing as it relates to the implementation of this program. All right. Any more questions? Board's wishes. Make a motion we let Tabitha run her department. Thank you, Chievy. I'll second that. Thanks, Charlie. Thanks, Tim. Len, please. Meer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Rap, yes. Weey, yes. Motion carries.

Hey, Tabitha, I got a follow-up question. With all the stuff that's going on in the state of Minnesota with the the fraud and the daycare and the SNAP and everything, have we been affected by it in this county? Have we been affected by the child care? Is SNAP back up and running? What about now? I heard they're going to start shorting money on autism. I just ask if you know anything that we can be aware of.

Yes, I can weigh in on that. Uh the SNAP benefits were uh dispersed actually before they were even scheduled to be dispersed uh during the federal shutdown. So that was a bit of a surprise. Um but certainly benefited the families that received those resources. Uh there the newest information as it relates to the childcare assistance program, which is a subsidy program for families who um are income eligible to be able to have child care paid. A portion of that during jobs like actual work time or um job search. That program uh federally was placed on a freeze last week. The Department of Children, Youth, and Families at the state level here in Minnesota administers that program. Uh locally we register families so families can apply. We determine eligibility for that program. Um we have 87 families uh that receive that benefit. Currently the department of children, youth and families is identifying that it's business as usual. Um they are the ones who reimburse the providers who build that. So they monitor all of that billing. We just determine eligibility for families that can receive that um who apply with us. But at as of this morning, um there was no direct impact to those financial funds. It sounds like there was a press release received that indicates that there will be some additional checks um by the Department of Children, youth and families and uh the BCA actually uh will be doing some site visits with some of those locations. But um right now it's business as usual and that's the message that we are really trying to communicate both to our providers and families who uh receive those resources and people can still apply if there's a need for that.

All right. Thanks. Any more questions for Tabitha? We're all good. Thanks. Thank you very much.

Lee, you're up. Hello again, Mr. Chair, commissioners. I bring before you the um public works council contract for the 26 27 28 years with that group. um recently worked with um our negotiating panel which included Commissioner Wayne Schmidt and um and I think I mentioned before but I'll say it again. Thank you for participating on that and uh it was helpful to both sides I think to have commissioners involved and we also had good involvement from public works management Tim and Steve Johansson uh helping giving us some feedback on contractual items that get kind of at least to me a little tricky so they get their understanding um so gave good perspective to that the features of the contract uh which both parties have agreed upon is a three-year contract act. Um, notably there is a 3% wage adjustment each year. There's um some other items regarding the Minnesota paid leave which we just uh were discussing a moment ago with Tabitha and and that's something that the the council and the employer are splitting those costs which is routine for us. And there's been numerous language revisions in that in that contract. Those are just some of the items, but I bring it to you today to get your approval and signature on that um council contract.

I would like to comment too, Lee, that it was pretty smooth that it went and I want to compliment Susan. She did a great job working with us and coordinating all that. the county attorney did a fantastic job and it was good that you know we a little over a year ago or not even quite a year ago we decided should we try something different and uh so I think thank thanks to the board for that because it was it's always a risk when you change up who you might work with but it seemed to work well this year so thanks exactly board wishes what do you want to do I will make a motion to approve the public works council contract I'll second that.

Thanks, Tim. Thanks, Jerry. Any more comments? Len, please. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Rap. Yes. We Yes. Meyer. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Vicky Dolan, auditor treasurer. Come on up. All right. Congratulations, Mr. Chair, on your appointments. Thank you.

Uh got the first item here is a to designate county board members to the 2026 canvasing board. Uh following the upcoming August primary and November general election, the county canvasing board will need to meet to review those election results and publicly canvas those election returns. Uh as required by Minnesota statute 204 C.31, uh the members of the board of canvas need to consist of the county auditor, the court administrator of the district court, the mayor of the most populous municipality, in our case that's the city of Alexandria. also two members of the county board as selected from its members who are not going to be candidates in that election. Is that really this year limits? You only have two left because Meyer and Schmidt and Kina, you are all up for election this year. So that leaves Jeff Weey and Jerry Rap to serve on our canvasing board. So this is just to make that official. We need you to make that appointment. I'll make a motion to approve those two.

Second. Any discussion? Yes. I I just got a question. I just have a question. On the canvasing board in general, I mean, how how often is there a term any kind of a term to the people that that come in and uh oversee, you know, the the public, you know, when they come in and watch the action that goes on at the ballot. I'm not following. Yeah. when when you're counting the ballots in like a recount situation or the well the the normal count when it's counted to to determine who won the night of the election. Yes. Those people that come in there do do they get to come in just because they want to or do they have to be approved by somebody?

They can the general public can come and watch the tabulation of the night. There's no set rule on that. Yep. All right. Anybody can come watch. Yeah. Okay. They just can't interfere with the process. They could just observe. Okay. Very well. Monet, please. Rap. Yes. We Yes. Meer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Motion carries. All right.

The next item is a resol resolution establishing county ballot boards. Um, so pursuant to 203B.121 and 203.23, 23. The Douglas County Board of Commissioners um needs to establish county ballot boards that consist with a sufficient number of full-time and seasonal county uh auditor treasure staff including our seasonal staff um and our deputies. Um so we're just seeking that you again this is like an annual resolution we have to establish these county ballot boards for uh accepting rejecting and tallying all the regular absentee ballots as well as as well as the uniformed overseas citizens uh uava ballots that come in from residents that are resigning overseas for various reasons. Um so this resolution establishes that 2026 county ballot board. All right. I'll make a motion to approve resolution uh 2605 establishing 2026 uh UOCAVA and regular ballot board member actions.

Second. Thanks Jerry. Thanks Charlie. Any discussion? Monet please. We yes. Meer yes. Schmidt yes. Kina yes. Rap. Yes. Motion carries.

All right. My last resolution is to designate what's known as an Iowa or an individual with um with um delegation authority. Um for the Minnesota Department of Education, they have an identity and access management system that they utilize for um county reporting to them for various um property tax reports and things. Um so to utilize their uh education identity and access management system they annually have to have the county board has to designate who the uh identified official with authority is going to be or in short the Iowa. Um so I'm just asking that you again appoint me to be that person that can then establish uh signins for our county staff that need to have access to that Minnesota Department of Education system. Mr. Chair, that that's you though, Vicki.

Yeah, myself. Yep. The auditor treasurer. Okay. Make a motion to approve resolution 2606. I'll second it. Thanks, Charlie and Jerry. Any discussion? Len, please. Meer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Rap, yes. We Yes. Motion carries. Thanks, Vicki.

Jill, finance director. Good morning. Um, I just have one item today. Just looking for a motion to approve bills totaling $944,1527. Motion to pay the bills. A second. Any further discussion? Thanks, Tim. Jeff, Monet, please. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Rap, yes. Weey, yes. Meyer, yes. Motion carries.

All right, I guess we go into PDMS. Tim, you're up first.

Okay. Uh go back to November 24th, I had Lakeland Mental Health and Fergus Falls meeting and 25th was a fall planning meeting. The 2nd of December, we had our regular commissioner meeting. And then on the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, I was at the MRC meeting and the AMC meetings. That was at the Double Tree in Minneapolis. Then on the 12th I we had a hos hospital board meeting. 16th commissioner meeting, 16th work session and the 16th we had a fair board meeting in the evening. 19th we had JD2 meeting at public works and on the 22nd I had another meeting with Lakeland mental health in Fergus Falls. They pay our predium.

Thanks Charlie.

Yep. All right. on the second um we had a budget um no bid and budget meeting with the commissioners. Okay. Third hospital exec meeting at 10 10th LGCC meeting on the 11th hospital finance meeting and also Rainbow Writer meeting in Lowry. The building is coming along slowly. If you've driven by, don't slowly. Drive by is very slow. Oh, no. 12th, a hospital board meeting at 7:30. 15th, Horizon Public Health on the 3rd Monday because of AMC. Um 16th regular commissioners meeting along with the work session here. 17th had armor meeting. I did it online. 18th solid waste. Yeah, I don't know what I was doing there. Been on that for a long enough to know they pay that. 19th County ditch JD2 public works. That's it.

All right. Thanks, Charlie. Mr. R.

Okay. And 11:25 uh public works. Uh 11:26 PIO uh 122 regular regular meeting and a budget meeting. 124 Prime West 123 um met at the senior center with Shelley Foster. 125 food pool and lodging. Uh 127 MRC, 128 AMC, and 129 AMC and 1210 AMC. Uh 1212 hospital 1211 PIO, 1215 Horizon, 1216 regular meeting, 1216, uh Sock River Wershed, and we had a 1216 we had a work session. That takes care of it.

Thanks, Jerry. I'm up next. Um on the 25th of November, we're going back a little bit. Um we did public works with Tim and his group, go over the five-year outlook. 26th was a PI PIO meeting. Um December 2nd was our truth and taxation that day. The second also was our county board meeting. On the 3rd, we had Elamir executive meeting. On the fourth was Prime West. 16th was our work session. Um the 16th again was our county board meeting. 17th was department head meeting. 18th was library and the 18th was Pope Douglas. Jeff um on the 11th 11:25 the public works ball planning meeting. Uh then we have the West Central Community Action held uh via Zoom due to the weather. Uh December 2nd is the board meeting and budget hearing. The 5th of December is the public horizon uh health food pool and lodging. The 7th is the MRC meeting in conjunction with the AMC conference held at the Double Tree Hotel in Bloomington. And then the 8th through the 10th is the AMC annual conference. The 11th is the Rainbow Rider. The 12th is the hospital board meeting. The 6th is the regular board meeting. And after the regular board meeting at the work section and then the 17th is the AIS task force meeting held at the public work.

Thanks Jeff. Um Mr. Rap I seen you had on here you met at the senior center with Shelly Shelley K Foster. All I got down there is mileage. Yeah. Were you looking to get No. No. Okay. No. I I know it was on a separate day so I was just n Okay. Any other things on the piums? I make a motion to approve all the pdeium. Thanks, Jeff. I'll second. Thanks, Jerry. Len, please. Kina, yes. Rap. Yes. We Yes. Meer, yes. Schmidt, yes. Motion carries.

Thank you. I guess next thing on the agenda was sidewalk snow removal on County Road 82 in Oasis. And I believe that was Jerry. You you were bringing that up. Yeah, I guess the uh the concerns there with the people that that are supposedly responsible for that sidewalk in OAS there, which is right along county uh road 82. The county comes along, puts the snow on the sidewalk, and then they have to move it. I I think that's a little bit of a stretch for a homeowner when when you get the uh snow off of a street put on the sidewalk and then you have to move it. So I either if if we can't uh get the city of Oasis to to jump in there, I mean it's a in my opinion a city street and I'm going to ask Mr. Ericson back there. Has that ever been uh checked on as far as the city of uh Oasis doing a removal of snow on that sidewalk? See, Jerry, as long as we're doing it, why don't you ask Tim and Brad to come up because the next one's for Brad anyway, so they both may as well come up.

And we got a great representative from Mosaic is here. Lars,

good morning. So, I did look into this when uh Commissioner Rat brought this up to us. um chatted a little bit with our maintenance superintendent and the the maintenance operator out in that area just to double check and see how we're doing our maintenance through there. Um so when we go through, we used to plow push all the snow out onto the sidewalk and then we would pay the city of Osaka to go in and clean up that snow. Um we'd pay them out of our municipal state aid maintenance account. So that's exactly what that money is for. um the the different towns in the in the area other than the city of Alexandria. That's what that money is for. So, they all will bill us when they bill uh or do any maintenance throughout our uh municipal state aid routes. The city actually requested that we change how we do that and now we plow the snow to the curb, not onto the sidewalk, and then the city goes in and cleans that up. So, um, any any other maintenance from there, the sidewalk, it it shouldn't be our

our snow if that's even such a Well, that's Yeah, Jean Raspersonson, he's the one that had brought brought it up to me. And and uh and so if that is not being practiced anymore, putting the snow on the sidewalk, then then I I don't have as big issue with it. But if we're putting it on there, I think it's up to us to take it off or the city of Los. Yeah. And and we do, like I mentioned, we do pay the city of OAS to go and do that. They they keep track of their billing when they're doing anything on County 82 or any of the other municipal maintenance uh road or municipal state aid roads that are in the city of Osaka. They would handle that. Okay. All right. As long as we're bringing that up on 46 over by the trailer park, you we hired a private guy to do that.

Actually, right now we're we're doing that with our parks crew. So you were out there and did that, right? cuz I was drove by and seen they cleaned it all up, used a bucket and scooped it out. Next day our truck come by and threw bunch right back in there. So, can we coordinate so we're not double dip double working all the time here? We So, that there's not enough room there. No, there isn't. I agree. We go in when the we go in and clean this sidewalk off after the plow truck goes in and it's causing some issues with the apartment people cuz it's new different. But when we get like a a spell like this where we don't have snow, we go in and scoop it out of there so there's room for the next snowfall event to put it in there. And we're just going to have to remove it. Okay. Do that.

And just on that stretch by the apartments by the trailer park, there's enough room there. It doesn't matter. It's just that farthest east stretch by the railroad tracks. The boulevard's about this wide and so you can dump it in there on a snow event, but then that when it quits snowing, we got to go take it out or we're it's just going to fall into the road or into the sidewalk. So, okay. Well, good. At least you're on top of it. It's knew we're working on it. Yeah, I just seen that he was there the one day and then the next day the plow truck come then right back on there. That's all I was and we certainly heard about that from the Okay. We got a hear from the from which from the apartment owners.

Yep. It's Well, in the past, the plow truck would go by and then they'd come they'd have their guy clean the snow out of their driveway so he'd time it. Well, now we have another sidewalk. So, the plow truck goes Well, that sidewalk is in the city. We might have put it there for him. Well, it it is our right of way. It is our right of way, though. So Charlie and I were talking about the other day because the next thing is going to happen by discovery when you put you know you're going to have all of McKay Avenue from 29 to 82. You're right.

And we're we're doing this to be friendly with the city and you know it's never going to be done right especially by the residents and we know that and this is what's the difficulty part of it. Maybe maybe we should do this at LGCC someday because I think we should get it on there and talk. We've got to get it on there and maybe have their guys come along maybe in a month or two and we can once we get through this winter. I mean,

we ended up with County Road 46 because of the state of Minnesota and and but we took they put that road in there. That's why it took so damn long to get it fixed. The city did. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I do. And that sidewalk was put in there on their behalf. But and the why can't we use the city ordinance rules then? because the county built it for him. That's not Yeah. Okay. Cuz the city ordinance is strict about the land owners taking care of that. Mhm. And not to pick on the ones from OSA just because I got a buddy here today, but we also have a county road that goes through OAS. Do we take care of that them sidewalks in

those ones? No, we don't. Huh. Let's not tell Mr. Larson that because he'll go back. No, but you know what I'm saying. We got we got sidewalk we got county roads going through Carlos and all these communities you know it gotten to the point Brad will have to hire four guys just to be doing sidewalks around the county and that the sidewalks are a benefit to those people correct I I understand Jerry the old people you know I get it but we're already paying those communities to take care of their sidewalks so part of the county fun I'll shut up I hear you

Mr. chair. I got a question for them. In Ocus, when we plowed that, Oasus Kensington, when we plowed that, we always plowed it to the center and then there was a guy, the recway that came there and scooped it all up and hauled it out. Any of the towns request that that you pl instead of plowing it onto the sidewalks, plow it to the center and they'd have somebody else come in um remove it? Not to my knowledge. I think I think that's the only one. Kensington is the only I I think that's the only one. And does that come money out of uh municipal state aid that funding? Yep.

So why couldn't we probably be making a deal with other cities that instead of us plowing it to the outside, plow it to the center, and then they'd clean it up. Mo most of our mun municipal state aid routes um the city would be taken care of anyway. They'd be taken care of. Correct. Okay. Because I know when I plowed in Kensington, we always plowed it to the center, but they had angle parking. They didn't have parallel parking. Correct. So, we'd plow it off the sidewalks, then onto the road, and then and I think as long as there's room to do that, we can certainly do that.

But the only thing you got to worry about is signs. You know, if the signs are far enough off so you got enough room, you could plow the sidewalks with the truck with the wing. signs or light poles or all kinds of fun stuff would be right there because we used to do that on on Voyager Drive, which was County Road 44. We used to plow the sidewalks with the plow truck. Mhm. Because there was no signs there and then parks came out and you swept them off, didn't you?

Yeah. So, it's just an idea. If some of the municipalities would be game to us plowing it to the center and them cleaning it up, it'd be a lot easier for taking care of the sidewalks because you want to have all that snow on the sidewalks. I don't think it's a great idea, Tim. I I really think that'll something we can do this summer to get ready for next year. I mean, obviously this year we're locked in. So, yeah, Mr. chair. Just one comment and that is if you pushed all that snow into an intersection, you could have a winter roundabout. We do like those. There you go.

All right, Jerry. With that being that right there is Let's move on to the next thing. Uh, trophy part, camera, surveillance, and loud speaker.

I did bring this up to Brad and I I think that we've been having a dog problem out there, and I didn't want to get the law enforcement involved. to the point where I thought if there was a camera surveillance out there with a loudspeaker system and you saw something was going uh not right, you would just talk to them on that loudspeaker and get their attention and I would think that that might uh curtail some of the problem we got out there. That's my thought. But I I guess you guys think about it. I think it would work rather than calling law enforcement because I mean how else are you going to do it? I mean what else you going to do?

Yeah. I mean, we've tried with a bullhorn from the lifeguard stands when they that we stopped having lifeguards. We had a bullhorn. We use that to call to the people because they they get away from the parking lot, they let their dog off the leash and they all of a sudden they can't hear you, right? They just put their head down and they ignore you. Um, we've talked to a few people about it. We I think the easiest way I think there's a way to do this without developing a system. I think whether we we start our guys know who they are because they're there. They're there all the time. Just take a picture of their license plate. Um maybe we can work with the sheriff's office. We can get a letter to them or a warning and just like, "Hey, we know who you are. We have identified you that you're not following the rules." But there's got to be a way to and I think if a couple tickets get issued and the word would spread that

how how about if if that happens to be then maybe we put up a sign post a poster there and says that there was a citation issued so that the people know that it's real. We have signs up all over that park and uh every trail entrance has a dog on leash. But but I'm saying that there's been citations. We could change them all and put those up there. Um, you know, we don't We've been fighting this since the parks for I know. And I'm I'm a dog lover. I do. I love dogs, but I I can't expect people that don't love dogs to be running around them either. So, Yep. Do we have any cameras or anything out there? Yeah, we have cameras in the on the building in the parking lot. We have them up there. Yep. What about Pilgrim's Point? You got anything out there?

Uh, nothing out there yet. Wonder down the road when we get that building up. Probably add that to the At least it helps with vandalism. Well, we've used it with the sheriff's department a couple times at Brophie to uh um nab license plates and stuff like that. And Kensington, we used it one time, too. So, they come in handy to have them. I think we have to at Pilgrim. I these are great parks and they're and we want them to stay friendly and and it you wouldn't think we'd have to have security then and cameras, but I think that's just another way to curtail. Yep. I was also 17 at one time. Believe it or not,

we don't want to know. All right. Anything else for these two? Otherwise, we'll move on. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thanks. At this time, we open up any items from the floor. You get three minutes. Anybody wants to come up and talk about anything pertaining to the county? Anyone? Anyone? All right, I'll take a motion to adjurnn. I'll make that motion. Thanks, Jerry. I'll second. Thanks, Jeff. Anything else? Len, please. Schmidt, yes. Kina, yes. Rap, yes. Weey, yes. Meyer, yes.