County Council - Regular Meeting

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Morning, Tim. How you doing? Good, buddy. How are you? All right. Did you have your meeting?

With who? Well, I had the first one. Yeah. Yeah. I called you after that. Yeah. We haven't had any additional just got back from Michigan last night. That's right. New scary up there. Lots of How's it going? It's going good. We're turning into a lot of stuff. Wony's been on the dart there for about a month doing work and we tripled the size of the snow making pond. We're adding a second one in a new location, but that doesn't have to happen this year. Yeah.

Lots of new snow making piping and electrical and gutted the rental shop and but we're lots of uh we're heavy tech. Like we have a lot of stuff that's heavy tech. Everything there is pretty old school. So, it's a lot of changes all hands for them, bringing everybody up to speed, you know, a lot of that stuff is just hard to learn until you're in the moment. You know what I mean? Like, you're not dealing with all the different technological issues. It's hard to tell, well, this could happen or this could happen or this could happen, right? So, but it's coming together. Yeah, for sure.

I just told somebody else. I mean, we drove out two days ago, drive back yesterday, which wasn't as, you know, super efficient, but 10 hours in a car, speed up kind of thing. We get a lot of stuff hammered out. Oh, yeah. That's pulling lots of trailers back and forth. We don't go anywhere without a, you know, 24 foot trailer with a whole bunch of equipment behind us. Oh, get lots of experience between stuff that Ry's bringing from Timberline and stuff that we're bringing from here, new snow guns and all kinds of equipment. The uh That was I 69 in northern Indianapolis. We don't use that at all. So we're straight north of Elgard, Indiana. So we go to 465 and go 31.

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yeah, it's only 20 minutes into Michigan and we're 45 minutes from South that's South and then Elkart the South Bay draw obviously we'll be looking at it. It's the furthest south area in Michigan. So, we're going to try to get everybody before they go up that way. really fairly recent work.

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I mean, you're looking as good as you ever did. See how can you do visits to the world? Listen. It's time to call the meeting to order. If everyone would like to join us and we're going to start with the pledge of allegiance if everyone would like to rise. Thank you.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. As a recipient of federal funds and support county's efforts to ensure non-discrimination and equal access to all citizens, the county gathers statistical data regarding participants and county activities. Therefore, we have provided a voluntary title six public involvement survey at this meeting. You are not required to complete the survey. However, the form is anonymous and will be used solely for the purpose of monitoring our compliance with title 6 and ADA. First order of business uh today is the adoption of the 2026 budget.

Just need a motion to approve the budget. Boom. Second. Marking Tim. Any discussion? All those seats to approve sign. I nay. Motion passes. First up is the ready grant. Mr. Proberg and Mr. Hoffman. Good morning, gentlemen.

Good morning. Uh, so I wasn't advertised, but I'm Jim Deon. I'm the president of the redo commission, uh, along with Mike Pearleberg and Jordan Hoffman, who are allies of mine on the commission. Except for Mike, but he works with us every day. and I'm here this morning to ask you to approve uh a uh a grant request that I believe you received a copy of

uh and it's uh to support the construction of the uh new road, new county highway that we're we're going to be building going into uh wet water processing and that's more lane and uh this is going to help us financially do that. So if if you have any questions, we'd be glad to answer them. I brought technical help and the the only question is may we submit this grant request? Okay. Um to me it's pretty straightforward. Ready is apparently able to provide funding assistance on this project which we approved the whiteboard processing correct

project for Debor County and the West Harrison TIF. So, this would help us with the funding of that road. Yes, that's correct. What was the amount of the grant? $250,000. And uh and then when when would you plan on construction starting on the road or uh as soon as we can? Is it going to be a formal bid process then or the bid process is not started? The technical processes are still undergoing. Gotcha. Mr. Mr. Deon, on this form it says there is a county match of 494,000 that redevelopment. That's what I want to confirm. That is that is from us. Great.

So you plan the cost around 740 to 750 then. That's correct. Uh that and that includes the uh reconstruction of the railroad crossing. Uh we met with the railroad and we were pleasantly amazed that they didn't ask us to goldplate the rails. So it came out to be cheaper than we thought it would be. The railroad to nowhere. It may be a railroad to nowhere. But when this happened, I was standing beside the retired president of that railroad line and asked him a lot of questions. He said if we're up to him, he it potentially goes somewhere. So they would never give up the right railroad crossing.

Railroads are notoriously difficult to deal with. I'm sorry. They're usually pretty difficult to deal with. They usually are, but it was amazing. Uh I mean, they're very protective of their territory. Yes. But everything they asked for seemed to be very reasonable. Okay. This is something that was done as part of the U whitewater mill. I mean, white water processing uh project. Is there a motion to I got a question. Yes, sir. I understand there's a discussion about re expanding this tiff to a 25-y year tiff area.

There is. As a matter of fact, at our last meeting, uh, we passed a resolution to do that very thing on two parcels, including wide water processing. And what I'd hope to be able to tell you while I was here is that, um, at our meeting this coming Monday at 5:00 in open session, Baker Tilly is going to be there and they're going to be talking to us about the economics of this reach. And, uh, there are two ways you can hear what they have to say. We we'll be streaming live and if you'd like to appear, you're welcome to come and ask questions of Baker Tilly at that time. Is this is that White Water Processing? Is it in the existing TIFF down there now?

It is. It's in the West Harrison TIFF. And And when does that expire? Yeah, that was it 36 something like that. Um there's So there's two parcels that are part of this proposed reit. Uh there's the northern parcel up near Harrison Brookville Road and then there's the southern parcel which is kind of the southern half of Whitewater processing site down toward the Whitewater River. Um the first parcel then the northern parcel was tipped in 2006 and then the tip area was expanded to include the southern parcel in 2015. Um and so but that southern parcel is all in the flood plane, right?

Mostly. Yeah. Um white water processing is part of their project. they're, you know, filling dirt from some from some sites, some portions of the site in that flood floodway.

Um, yeah, I've looked at some of the numbers, uh, received some a data set from the, uh, Dearborn County Auditor's office on what, you know, the the TIFF and the revenue has looked like for the periods that both of these parcels have been in the TIFF. Um, the keep in mind with TIF, there's the base assessed value. So because nothing's occurred on these two particles over the time that they've each been tiffed, uh most of the base AV has been about 83% looking at the the revenues and where those have gone over these past 19 years dating back to the initial tiff. Uh most of those revenues have gone to uh the base, you know, the underlying taxing units, county general fund, schools, library, solid waste district. um about 13% of that um since a new parcel was created as part of a part of that property being um reserveyed um into a new parcel. Um some of that revenue on both those parcels in recent history has been coming more toward the redevelopment commission to the tune of about $2,000 a year. Um, looking at the most recent tax year, um, the if the retifocation area goes through, everything that's there today will go back into the base. We'll reset the base to if the RETIF is completed this year to January 1st of 2025. And so all the revenue that's being collected, even the revenue, the redevelopment is current currently collected on these two parcels go back to all the underlying taxing units. That's a long answer, but

it'll go back to the underlying. But if it's if it's tiff retif the date changes from 2036 to 2050, right? No, it'll be from 25 years of this ret starting at 2025. So, um, but that make 2050. 2050. Yeah, but not starting in 20. I'm sorry. Yeah, you said starting at 2036, but yeah, end in 2025. Well, yeah. 2025 to 25 year ret. So, so the county wouldn't the county general fund I mean that money would go to redevelopment, right? The the future taxes from the from the from the new development. Yes. Yeah.

And and the county general fund wouldn't get any money instead of starting in 2026 or 2036, they wouldn't get it till 2050 then. Yeah. the new uh the new AB added on the parcels from this new development and this is the case with all TIP and uh all new development that occurs within TI district that is going to go to the redevelopment commission. Um now the county general fund is a um levy limited fund and levy limited means regardless of how much assessed value falls within that taxing district um the revenue is not going to change just the tax rate is. So whether but they're still not going to get any money for an additional 19 years. Right.

Right. But your redevelopment commission will. Right. Redevelopment commission is part of Dearborn County. I like to think is the redevelopment commission, sewer district, county council, the board of commissioners. We're all on the same team. We're on team, right? We're trying. The problem is some of us have money and some of us don't. But the point I make, we're we're on the bump side of that here now, especially with Senate Bill One. Yeah. And there is there's $2.8 billion in assessed value across Dearborn County.

We're talking about billion $2.8 billion plus of assessed value across Dearborn County. We're talking about a retip of two parcels where yes, there is going to be a significant development occurring. significant development is occurring because of investments that have been made by redevelopment and redevelopments want to continue to make in this and the original I mean I I kind of remember the numbers when we talked about this the payback was going to be 10 years from right 12 to 13 yeah yeah for the and now has have you guys rerun those numbers with the projections from Senate Bill one because a lot of that money was supposed to be generated from personal property tax right

yeah so the the presentation that Baker Tilly will give on Monday at redevelopments meeting. Uh there has been this is a required part of the TIFF establishment process a tax impact statement has to be produced which shows what the impact is to uh all the other taxing units which I kind of listed before most of them. Um we have a draft of that. Uh we're going to have a conversation with Baker Tilly today to review the draft, but u we're hopeful for Monday's meeting it'll be kind of a you get that forward to us when just to see how it impacts the the county.

It's in draft form now. So I would look to Mr. Heaton, but um we will have that. It'll be public information certainly following out the presentation. You said that meeting's here at 5 on Monday. Mhm. But uh from the draft I can tell you uh according to Baker Tilly um that the revenue impact for county general fund from this ret uh is $0. Say that one more time.

The tax impact revenue uh as a result of this proposed retaining to Baker Tilly's tax impact statement analysis. Mark's point, what he's saying is like uh German County would have and the other underlying would have started receiving you if that tiff went away earlier then we would be receiving money earlier. But we're still talking in the distant future. Let's say receip it would be added into the the assessed value that the county as a whole collects its revenue from based on whatever the tax rate is because the county general fund again is

we're limited by the LGQ 4% only going to change whatever amount the 4% local government finance the Dearborn County general fund can collect. So, we're trying to look towards the future and when 2027 and 28 come around, we don't really know and and you guys don't know what you know what we just know that if this thing's retiff that we're not going to get any funds till 2050 from the from the county general portion of it. So, we don't we don't know how that's going to change. Baker Tilly tells us it's a zero dollar impact for now, but not possibly in two years.

That'd be a question for Baker Tilly. I mean, I don't think they know either because they don't know what the state legislature is going to do. They they've already indicated that that the whole the u local income tax, property tax, and everything's in the process of changing. So,

yeah, we understand that council and a lot of local governments are in a difficult position right now as a result of the impacts of SEA1 that we know today and and are still going to be learning over the next handful of years. Like, we're sympathetic to that certainly. Um, what we're trying to do through this RETIF is ensure that there is a sustainable long-term source of revenue for your redevelopment commission, member of team Dearborn County to be able to continue investing in infrastructure deficiencies and needs in key areas of the county uh where we feel that uh needed economic growth can occur, quality of life investments can take place. Um, you know, one a couple of examples have been we funded uh redevelopment has $25,000 for the PR fire department for radios this year with that tiff revenue. Uh, early just last month there was a it hasn't been finalized yet. Kind of working through some of the verification on if it's a uh a truck worth purchasing, but $250,000 paid for by the redevelopment commission using the TIFF funds to help the Bright Fire Department purch purchase a fire truck. Right. Fire department being critical key infrastructure for the growing West Harrison tiff and the industrial development there. Um that was a request that didn't have to come to this to your board to the county council. Uh we're also in early discussions with the water utility in West Harrison Tri Township Water about water infrastructure needs likely uh multi-million dollars uh for new treatment plant groundwater tanks to serve the existing and potential future development at West Harrison. And there will be other there's there's some projects that we know today that revelopment will have to take on and they do have because they've been good stewards of the money and they haven't spent a lot of it over these past 19 years since the tip was initially established at West Harrison and other

areas of the county. Uh we know that um what some infrastructure deficiencies are. I know they're going to have a match on that ramp and stuff which that need that's needed to be done for years there. That's that's dangerous as can be there. And there there there are likely other infrastructure deficiencies yet to be identified that are going to come about just because they haven't been identified yet. They may be existing today. Uh you guys may very well know what some infrastructure needs are out there in Dearborn County today and some of the areas of these tiffs and uh we don't know what's going to come up uh you know in 10 15 years in the future as new development occurs what the infrastructure needs for those projects

and when that thing was originally tiff people were probably thinking 30 years was plenty long enough to have it built out and now we're within 10 years of that time frame. I get that. But uh and some parcels will fall off, but um keep in mind the the two parcels for whitewater processing were tax evated um for a period of 10 years on a graduated scale. So um does that start at like 90 80 70? Believe that'll start this year with their investment beginning. Yeah. 10% step down.

Yeah. Yeah. The question I have is, you know, it seems like we're giving up income, but we're going to absorb more expenses. Uh mainly since it's going to be in the county road system, we're going to have road maintenance. Uh we're already contracted with Harrison on fire and EMS service for that area. And I don't I I don't know what that additional expense could be. So that's my main concern is we're giving up, you know, basically 19 years of potential income for a whole bunch of unknown expenses.

Okay, that's something that will be discussed apparently on Monday evening before us today. But my question is too, can this be retipped without council approval? I can ask. Yeah, the council being there's no debt taken on by redevelopment, correct me if I'm wrong, as your member correct, appointed to redevelopment from this council, it was a courtesy of the new members to ask the council their feelings on this. And the answer is no. Since there's no debt, the council does not have a vote on it. But out of three new members, uh, Jordan and Trevor,

Trevor, myself felt like we needed the council. We wanted to hear their opinion on how they felt about things.

I agree with that. I think I think council should have a say on it because we're looking at deferred income for potentially another 20 years and like what we've seen instead of bill one you know 20 years down the road what's going to what's our situation going to be and here we've basically given up an opportunity for income property taxes are a really challenging thing and I understand what you're And well, we have a certain set of cards that we've been dealt based on what we know currently is going to happen in 2028 and we have to make our decisions and assessments based on that. The challenging thing about property tax is so yes there's more dollars in value be coming into the overall pie is the total net assessed value for the total of the county but it's not additional found money because we are limited by the MLGQ of 4% which means the budget and the money that we can have access to can only go up currently by 4% a year. And so what happens is when there's a larger piece of the pie, the tax rate that every entity and every person and every property pays can go down slightly. So I don't disagree that there's some additional revenue, but what this does is it could potentially it it when there's new money that comes in, what it does is it lowers everybody's rate by this much. Could be $5 a household or parcel or $10. I don't I don't know. But like what Mike's saying is we're trying to create we're trying to take that those dollars and create future expansion and growth and put some needed infrastructure and support our all the parties that bring infrastructure, fire, water, sewer, all those things to make sure that we can grow and develop that area.

We're losing out on the 4% a year, but we're we're gaining on local income tax because it's a job creation. And I I think it's to the tune of uh I don't know wasn't it like uh nine mil million or something in new payroll. Yeah. Um or was I want to say seven but yes and that's that's local income taxes all going to change here in two years too. We we know that already. Right. And we're we're working on a we everybody on this board knows we are we're at a deficit this year and what what we have instead of our our revenue going up we it's already went down by 900,000. So

I think if you know as long as redevelopment and council commissioners other county boards we're continuing to look toward the Dearborn County comprehensive plan is kind of our guide for what the long-term investments for the county should be. like we should all be kind of working together on the same page. Tax increment finance is one of the most effective tools that the state which is through this legislation is negatively impacting what your revenue forecast can look like. But TIF is still there. In my belief, tax increment finance is the best tool that the state has afforded municipalities, city count, cities, towns, counties to create a stream of revenue for themselves to be able to take on significant infrastructure projects to address needs in their community without having to pass a tax increase or uh bring those things to, you know, to to alleviate some of the weight on county general fund. How how bad did the personal property tax part of it hurt redevelopment? I mean in the Senate bill one.

Yeah. Uh the Senate Bill one eliminates the 30% depreciation floor on personal property u and redevelopment in some cases like whitewater mill that was huge on personal property. That goes down to zero. It's going to be a negative impact on the on the personal property for redevelopment just as it would for underlying taxing units in a non-to scenario.

Can I make a comment just to make sure everybody understand or drive is a countymaintained road existing. It's not a new road. What they are doing is reconstructing the first section of Bore Drive between uh Harrison Brookville Road and the Turkey facility, the new facility. So it is not a new road being brought into our maintenance system. It's just an upgrade of the existing facilities the county maintains presently. And in the future, you know, if there any other upgrades, resurface, repair, whatever, county will maintain what we can. But redevelopment always has the option to go ahead and spend their money in the future, 20 years from now or 15 years from now, if there's deficiencies in that pavement again that the county can't fund through our regular highway maintenance. Redevelopment will be able to fund those kind of repairs in the tip district.

Thank you, Tom. Um just one other um thing I wanted to mention. Um it's escaping me right now but um uh oh the redevelopment commission can always pass through the tip funds like if they have so much revenue that they don't know what to do with they don't have the projects they're up until 2050. Even though they're collecting that revenue, if they want to pass it through to county general funds to the other taxing units as a you got any spare money that you open the door for.

Can't you also uh if if a tiff goes to 2050, can't you also make it, you know, cease existing earlier? Yeah, they can always dissolve it uh prior. Um yeah, there's a process to do that as well. Once it's we make a decision once a year whether to pass that money through or not and when it becomes obvious that we should that's done every January.

Appreciate that. So we've actually gone way far off our our agenda. If anyone's interested in the meeting on Monday night at five o'clock, then that would be the time to have any further discussion about the retining or the uh two new parcels being included for the renew tip for 25 years. But today, we're actually here to discuss the ready grant that would help with the funding of the improvements to war more drive. I move we allow them to apply for the ready grant. Thank you, Mark. Is there a second? I second. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I opposed. Nay. Nay. Let's do a roll call.

Glenn, no. Dennis, no. Mark, yay. Tim, yes. Doug, yes. No vote. Yes. Motion passes. Thank you, gentlemen. And thank you, Jordan, for being here today. Appreciate it. Thanks for starting. I would like to remind you we will be livereamed on Monday. Okay. But if you'd like to ask questions, you're certainly welcome. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. The next one on our agenda is Nicole Dailyaly from AOR in local. So I'm gonna Okay. Yeah. Um, I didn't know I was gonna have to say anything,

but uh, so Nicole couldn't be here today, but she asked me to come because I, um, as MS4 coordinator, Sandy Whitehead, um, will be a part of the interlocal agreement with Aurora. So they are um renewing their agreement with a 3% three or 4 percent increase just because they have held it steady for three years and they you know made an agreement with Aurora to um increase that um and add the MS4 coordinator services to that. Um, we really don't know what my impact will be and and how much I will have to review. Um, you know, Nicole's office, planning and zoning, um, does their permitting and enforcing and and they handle most of it. Will they have um, storm water construction permits? Not really sure. So, we're doing that as a um, you know, not not charging Aurora anything for my services as of now. and we'll just kind of assess it um when it's time to renew and see, you know, what I have done for them and and if we need to assess any further money.

Have the commissioners adopted this? Please. Have the commissioners adopted this? That's a good question. I'm not sure. The impression they had saying yes. Okay. Yeah. So, is there a motion to approve this uh amendment to the local for MS4? And it's also renewing planning and zonings agreement with with Aurora. Correct. I do have a question. Is that dollar going for salary?

No. No, that is that is an increase for planning and zoning just because they have held that rate steady for three years, whatever it was, $30 some,000 and they had agreed to do an increase. So, it's been three years. So, that's what that is not it is not for me. There's no money for me. No, I'm just saying.

No, ma'am. That makes more sense. Okay. So, we don't have anything on our packet, but I think I remember some discussion during at budget time about as our previous meeting. Okay. So, this is something I think that the planning commissioner had to approve, which I think Dennis Jr. has indicated that that was something that was going to happen. I'm under the impression that the commissioners have approved this. So then it's up to council to also be a part of this process. Yes. So is there a motion to approve this interlocal agreement with um amendment with Aurora?

So what do you see as far as additional duties for you and for planning and zoning? Well, um, for me, if Aurora has anything that comes in for development that is over an acre, they would be required to get a storm water construction permit, which is where I would come in. Um, the the House and Senate did a lot of made a lot of changes for people this past year, my job included. So, um, before we were looking at things that were less than an acre. Um, now we can't be any more stringent than the state. So, we have to follow the construction storm water general permit, which is anything over an acre. So, I don't know how much additional it's going to be for me.

So, the new development down on 56 by Lafrey Creek, Yeah. would fall in there.

Yes. If if that is over an acre. Yeah. So yes, that would be something that I would I would monitor. Um they would have to get a permit through me. Um soil and water would also be involved and then I do post construction stuff monitoring. So again, you know, just with the changes from um the House and Senate this year with House Bill 1037, we're still trying to assess how that actually affects um MS4 and what we can do, what we can um what we can manage or require people to do.

Sandy, is that a one-year contract that with Aurora Local? Yes. So, council member Dole and I after the budget went up and spoke to the surveyor because we had the same concerns. Are we taking on additional responsibility and additional risk with very limited associated income? And he felt like because it applied to parcels over one acre, there was very few projects that would require Sy's attention. Yeah. And he felt comfortable with it. Yeah. He indicated that the planning and zoning was on board with it than he did. So, yes. So, yeah. If if you're okay with it and the surveyor who's the president of planning and zoning is okay with it. I Is that your motion? That's my motion to to approve this interlocal amendment. Yeah. And then we'll reassess it after a year. That's our That's our plan. All right. Thank you. Is there a second?

Yeah. Is there a second to Tim's motion? I second it. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed? Nay. Motion passes. Thank you, Sandy. Thank you, Mr. Hartman. Thank you to the signs. Yes.

Good morning. Not good. That's not a good day. What's your name in nothing? Yes, I better. Thought you were the mayor.

I don't even lost you doing here. I see you. in redevelopment. You're welcome to stay or if you're needing to go on to something else, feel free to leave. Your pleasure. Yeah.

I think yeah, as far as I'm concerned, there's a budget adoption that included. Thank you. Good to see you. Good seeing you. Yeah. Third order. Yeah. I mean,

did you get everyone's signature? Yes. Okay. Yes, sir. Yeah. We're here. We discussed this I think at budget time about the uh fire alarm system being replaced. I guess the commissioners declared emergency on it and prices seems I had tried to contact Johnson Controls. They set up the time and date and they didn't no show and I called them back again so we'll get see you next week. But then I never seen them anybody else. So, and I got Seaman's schedule to come in. There should be next week get started on this.

Is it just this building? Eric, remind me. I'm sorry. The courthouse and all the jail. It's a whole campus. No, it's just it's a courthouse. old courthouse because this has got Johnson controls in this part of the building and it's seaman so we're in the old end and and this is all just onetime expense not ongoing service or monitoring or anything just equipment this is just for equipment change who has who's your square I mean is that also yes I usually just have seamans do the yearly test on that okay that's a different company again but it's not too much to it but okay more like a residential area.

Okay. This was advertised out of QCap Development for $144,96. Is there a motion to approve? What's the What's the fund balance there? Plenty of plenty of money, right? Yeah. Dennis, was that you? Dennis. Yes. Dennis got the motion. Second motion, a second. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I.

Motion passes. Thank you, Eric. Mr. Listman, Todd Lerman, County Engineer. What I'm asking for today is a transfer in funds. As you know, through our budget hearings at the time, we were unsure exactly how Hindot was going to handle the uh new community crossing uh changes that came through the state legislature this past spring. Uh following week after budgets, uh I finally got our answer. And the answer is we will be a 20% match, but the maximum amount allowable per community because of the decrease in the amount of funds that's going to go to community crossings has been decreased from 1.5 million back to a million. Okay. So basically that means I can apply I need a match for million dollar match. Our 20% would be 250,000. So we could let a contract worth1 1,250,000. With that being said, I only need $250,000 for this year's application that will happen in October. Present funding in that budget because we assumed when we set this year's budget a year ago, uh, that we were going to still be under 1.5 match at a 50/50. So what I'm asking is take that money it's already allocated and transfer it part of it still keep the 250,000 I need for my match but the rest of it take it from community crossings and put it back into patuminous our share will not change because it's the same amount of money

that would have gone with the match to keep us at that level of paving. So, we're paving approximately $3 million worth of of contracts a year to keep our cycle around. If this gets moved to Batuminous, two questions I have is, do you even have the ability to let these projects this year? And if not, does this roll back to county general? If it's the idea is I'm going to have this contract let before the end of the year. Yes. If it did not, it would roll back to county general.

Okay. So, that's what would happen if like the community crossings, I would only need 250,000. If not, that just rolls to county general. But that what that means is instead of letting $3 million worth of paving next year, I would revert back to 1.2 million or $1,250,000. That puts me back into 120ear cycle, right? Which we discussed at the previous budget. We don't want to do if at all possible. We want to try to maintain that $3 million payment program. So, right now you have uh 1.64 million in that community. How how did it how did that where did that money come from? How did that get to be so high?

Because you gave me 1.5 million for my match. Okay. Well, when I go for match money, I have to estimate a contract of $3 million. You know, anything else you try as an estimator, you know, is my bids going to come in a little bit above or my bids come a little bit below? this year bids came in a little bit above or below. Okay. So, we can our match wasn't needed at 1.5 million. This is a little bit of carryover. The 60some thousand. The little bit of carryover. That's actually I think it's a little bit more than that. But yeah, there's a little bit of carryover because this year's bids

140 contract for community crossings came a little below like 2.9 something. I can't 2.8 something. It's a little bit below than what I had estimated, but I try to keep it tight because if I screw up on the other end and that we're $400,000 over, I got to come up with $400,000 or I lose all the money. So, I keep I try to keep my bids fairly, you know. So, you but you have projects lined up this money could be spent on I mean, one of the asphalt plants closed November, late October. So,

I let have it let it doesn't have to be paved. I let we're not build and see all this that's why I try to explain at the budget is I'm letting stuff this year to build next year. So the money you gave me in this year's budget adopted the 1.1 million. Yep. Okay. Is not going to be spent in 2026. I got you. It'll be spent 2027. It's that's that

I was thinking if it was moved into Batuminous needed to be spent on Batuminous this year, but you're saying you can let the project Batuminous right now. I think Batuminous shows oh if you look at Batuminous right now it shows a million dollars. Okay. I have one contract that's already been led that they haven't started work yet hasn't paid out of it. Y okay that he's supposed to be starting next week. Okay. If it's going to spend 600 some thousand of it on a contract that hasn't started that'll be done before within the month. Basically you want to encumber this 1.3 million this year for next year's work. I need to transfer it so then I can encumber it by by actually bidding the work. I can't bid work. You don't have the funds because I don't actually have the funds in the right account that I need.

And if you don't and if we don't do this then the money would revert back to the general back to general fund which which you can do but then I do my amount of work next year goes less than half of what I normally would do in paving and not to say bet our roads need to be paved. So it would be wouldn't it be we gave you 1.1 million and the match is 20%. That would

because last year when we set the budget we were thinking we could match up to 1.5 million you know now we're only get so next year I'll come back in like May and ask you to transfer 150,000 back to Batumis again but I'll do that next year on next year's budget. But yeah, because we were thinking our match was going to be we could get up to a million five, but end up saying no, that's now wrong. We're now going back reverting back to the original million that we used to do a few years back. And the max has been reduced because there's just no the maximum awards. No, I'm going to be back to a million. So, I don't need as much because we're thinking my match was going to or the maximum was going to be 1.5. I need the 400. I don't need the 400 anymore.

We went two million the wrong way this year budget. No, I mean we we we had to borrow $10 million. Oh, we always have. We've done that forever. But I mean, we were in less revenue in the past. It's been an increase, right? So, what would the swings do? What do you mean? Well, we did the 900,000. What would we year? How much?

On average year, we probably put about 2.3 or so million of boat into county general for our budget. So, this year we probably dug a little bit bigger hole, which is not I mean it's is sustainable because we do have a decent balance, but that's kind of a new development. What's the river? But it's the river and we're in trouble. So I understand the your rationale. Is there a motion to approve this transfer from uh Junior Crossing Grant to grant match to Batuminous?

We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. No. Sorry. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I I post nay. Motion passes. I would like to say that the one thing about crossing that they did stress this past session because they put less money in that pot. It's going to be more competitive. So, and we've been very fortunate over the years to always get like the max. There's there's our odds are less favorable this

and it's just it's going to it's going to make a lot harder on our end. We just got to make sure our application the roads we pick that's why but we always try to make sure we pick are through collector roads in our applications. It's you is that is that just roads or it's bridges being I can do I can do bridges too. The problem with the system is is your I have to have all my paperwork turned in for not the last application but the application before there's a time period you can't have outstanding projects with community crossing not finished. Okay.

Patuminous work can be finished in a year. Sort of like ARPA money when you needed to spend it. You make sure you spend it. So you pick projects that aren't you know what I'm saying? The problem when you get to bridges engineering and I mean it's just it's it's extended out. I do all our contracts for patuminous. I don't I don't we talked about this before. I can do that quickly. I can turn it around quickly. You're saying can I have a bid? I just would know if the state looked more favorably on Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Tom. But didn't four or five years ago didn't you submit multiple applications so if they liked the paving through roads better or if they liked the bridge project? Then you I thought you had submitted both and whichever

Well, I had I had at one time we had we did a double application for some from bridge funding but then it got into that time period thing we're looking at. It's and it doesn't make it I have a program I have so much bridge work so much pavement work you know what I'm saying? So it's easier for us to fund locally the bridge program ourselves without going to and use and because the amount of work doesn't change. So it's easier for me to run the community crossings through paving got than bridges. It just seems like the states uh the the last couple years and in the future plan they're spending more money on bridges than they are on We've always spent more money on bridges. The the bridges

the the prices have went up. So they're making sure the bridges get done and the bridge the bridge program itself is and we've been good at it. I'm not talking about the county. I'm talking about

No, but the state itself. What I'm saying is what they look at is they look at your program. I submit to the state every year just like you do a pay pavement asset management plan. I have to do I do a bridge asset management plan as well. We're not required to but I do. Okay. They're going to send to LTAP to see where our system is. And they notice very much at the state level our how I want to say it, our participation that we are funding bridges. We're taking so we're constantly working on our program. We're not sitting back in the community saying the only time I'm going to do a bridge replacement is when I get federal funds or I get local help, you know, state help. Okay? we're we're attacking our system and that speaks high with us and when I go to ask for federal funds, they see that. So there's they're saying, "Okay, Todd, you you you have funded other projects. Yeah, we we'll help you here." And I and I don't go to them for every little project. When I go for federal funds, it's a big project. It's because it's really, you know, above and beyond my normal what we fund locally. And that is seen at the state very well or very much And I think you have to have an asset management plan. Even

that's our PAMP and and see we're required to PAMP and I do and if you do bridges you need to I do both even though I don't ask for bridge money. I submit both every year to LTAP so they can see our progress on our system so they know we are attacking and we're not sitting back and just just doing nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. Thank you very much. Any other questions? Let me know. Okay. Thank you. Nick Chad. Thanks, Todd.

Next is uh just a recap on what we had done during budget on the part-time wage scale, making the uh the change was that the sheriff's part-time could go up to 20 at sheriff's discretion. Do we need a motion for that, Connie? I would like to. Wait a second. I didn't think that's what I thought we had moved the sheriff to the level three to give them that range. Yeah, had indicated that he would like to have the discretion on it not being like a flat. Everyone gets that certain amount, right? It was the 19 to $23 range for he could pick whatever range whatever rate you want. Not not up to 20. We Yeah, we

moved we we moved that role into a specialized skill because remember we talked about these guys carrying guns out here and everything and so we had said they move it down. Yeah. So, just move the sheriff down to level three with up to his discretion. I'll make a motion approve the part-time wage scale uh with the adjustment of moving the sheriff's uh front desk help to that level three special skills. I got a question real quick. Mhm. On a highway part-time, are those guys CDL certified? Do you know?

I don't think so. They just like labor or depends what the position is. Okay. So, some some are CE's not here to speak to it. Just so we got time, but they don't have

Todd Lester, county engineer. It all depends who the person is because that part-time can be part-time in uh the what I in bridge I have part-time people. Uh Tim has part-time on his staff. So if it's the mowers, they don't have to be CDL certified to mow. Okay? If you were going to use him as a snowplow driver in the winter, then that person would be snow then he would have to have a CDL. Uh, I use it for my part-time uh sign people. Okay. The the people that put our signs up and take care of the sign. It covers both.

It it just there's not a it's not a definite yay or nay. It all depends on what the position doing. And a lot of times that summer help. Most of it. Most of it is a lot of it's a mowers. In my case, it's my sign guys that do the sign parttime sign and inventory for me. that I hate to tie Tim's hands if it's the middle of the winter in a big snowstorm and he can get some part time. Yeah, but we already did we did give them a raise from where they were at previously, right? But I mean, just the the part-time CDL guys, you know, that's something you had to ask. Yeah. What's that? You contract out

Tim contract some out. I mean, you know, I just I don't know what his staffing is right I know he's down people, right? That's that's that's a question for Tim that I can't answer what he needs on his on CDL drivers. He need But he's aware that we're giving them a raise from where they were at previously. I mean, each one of these went up a little bit, right? No, they didn't. This is the same level as the previous year. Okay. So, the 19 to 23 went up. That's all that's just a range. No, we just moved the share from level two to 11. But I thought that was I thought that range started at like 18 to to something before that year before last. I mean last year we did bump it like a dollar per class.

If you guys want to table this and you all discuss it. I mean Tim did request for those guys to be moved. Yeah. See, but I'm wondering, you know, if you were throwing 19 or $20 an hour an hour out there to a CDL guy in the winter time, say somebody that hauled gravel for Uber trucking. Yep. In the winter time, they're slow. They can't get on the roads cuz they're closed. Could we possibly get some of those guys to drive the county trucks? But he's not having a problem getting roads clear, right? I mean, he's he's subbing the stuff out. It's a hustle. It's direction.

Yeah, it's it's tough. It's it's really when it when is that cuz trucks are sitting or because just the amount of roads we have. So it's the simplest in order to be done today which I'd like for us to be done today on level three add um highway CDL in that third but only CDL just like there's a lot of difference in skill between running the weed eater and driving exactly but just so we can get done here today we can just so do I need to amend my motion or resend my motion just you can amend it to add in part-time level three that highway with with CDL would fall into that class. Yeah. Is that okay? Would that be good? That's my amended motion. Thank you.

Okay. That would be very good. Is there a second? I'll second it. Move for the discussion. Yes. Uh with that move, uh is there enough money to allow that? And then if we did run out of money, does that mean we don't don't have any part time help at that? There would be enough funds to take care of. Okay. So, any other discussions? All those in favor signify by saying I. I oppose the name. Motion passes. So, Connie, I notice there's a grant from probation. Are you handling that?

There's a grant from probation in the packet that commissioners Okay. So, and it looks like a next um you guys read the longer they have that dinner. Oh, is that what this junior probation is? Okay. It's from the bridge event. So, there's no county match. So, all you're requesting is um permission for this grant to go forward. Okay. Just because you just got it yesterday and I thought it

I'm glad you did. So, this is a community bridge which is a fundraiser that they raise money for JCAP and this is to allow $20,000 of that money to be used for these purposes. Make a motion to allow JCAP program to pursue these grant funds with no county match. Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Motion passes.

I had a chance to review a minute and any discrepancies in there. That's your motion to approve. My motion unless Connie feels like she needs to come to the podium. Is there a second? I will. Motion a second. Any other discussions? All those in favor of approving the minutes by saying I. I. Motion passes. Actually, I didn't hear F. I'm sorry. Let's do a roll call on the menace. Uh Glenn, Dennis, Mark. Yay. Yay. Motion passes.

Guess the next thing on our agenda is German or you have something else? Okay, everybody see that? Which are what? The letters from thank you notes. Yeah, we got to find I've got that in my packet. So, we did get a couple of thank you notes. One from Hill Forest for our contribution toward their efforts and then also St. Louis with a Oh, that was a pass down thing. Sorry. Yeah. So, is there a motion to adjurnn, Mark? I'll second. We all free to this. Something we can all agree on. Approve. That's the one you say yay to. Yay.

We are. Thank you everyone. Applications evening. Every road is listed in priority with the amount. So they can come in and said, "Okay, we're only going to fill in the first three roads or the first two roads." So instead of getting a million, you better make you better make them first. Two big ones.