County Council - Regular Meeting

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Are we good to start? Everyone will sign up your phones. Welcome everyone to the Denver County Council meeting. We'll start the meeting with the pledge of allegiance. If everyone rise, please. I pledge algiance to the flag of the states of to the stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Are you reading it? You're fast.

As a recipient of federal funds and in support of different counties efforts to ensure non-discrimination and equal access to all citizens, the county gathers statistical data regarding participants and county activities. Therefore, we have provided a voluntary 506 public envelopment survey at this meeting. You are not required to complete the survey. However, the form is anonymous and will be used solely for the purpose of monitoring our compliance with 506 and ADA. Thank you, Andy. First on our agenda is St. Elizabeth, this is the foundation for the cancer center. Is there someone making a presentation? If you will identify yourself, please and welcome.

Good morning. I'm Eeg McLaclin, board member of the St. Elizabeth Foundation. Uh, and I'm uh here with others uh to talk about the Durban Cancer Center. Uh, but before we start our short presentation, we promise it'll be short. Um, we just want to thank the county for their generous pledge that they made to the Dearborn Cancer Center. Um, and it's not only us thanking you, but it's the community thanking you. And we're here to today to uh request the 2025 installment of that pledge. If you could give us You're going to have Yeah. A little bit of a That'd be great.

Yeah. So, uh, with with, uh, with me today, uh, we have Celeste Calvido, uh, another St. Elizabeth, uh, Foundation board member. Uh, we have Terry Boen, uh, lifelong resident of Southeastern Indiana, and she's the site director of the Dearban C Cancer Center. So, it will be Terry's Celeste, uh, will be speaking. In addition to that, we have Sarah Serest here. um she's the uh director of development for St. Elizabeth Foundation. In addition to that, we're lucky to have uh two more of the board members from the St. Elizabeth Foundation. We have Mr. Jim Deon in the back there and Tom Palm. We appreciate you all taking your your time to to be here. So, uh Celeste, I'm just going to turn it over to you

just real quick. Um, as you all know and and we we thank you very much. And uh, as you all know, uh, in the past I've mentioned that uh, both Chuck and I have been over the bridge in the past for radiation. It's just nice to know that if it happens again, we're 8 minutes from our house, which is awesome. And I cannot tell you how many people I've lost track of how many people have said, "It is so great to have it here because I'm going there for whatever or whatever." and it's it's just it's just really a blessing and and thanks for your help on that.

Good morning. I'm Terry. I'm the site director for the cancer center and first of all I want to thank you for inviting me to come and present just some of the updates um things that I think you will be excited to hear as I was. We've just recently had a market share meeting with our marketing team and I am very proud to report back to you. Um, our goal with the cancer center was to increase access to the worldclass care that St. Elizabeth provides to the folks of southeast Indiana. And I'm happy to share with you that from 23 to 25, our market share increased by 25% in Don County. So that is a significant number and it's actually the highest increase any of our St. Elizabeth facilities had. So we're very excited about that. Um our volumes increased from 2023 when the center opened um from 2236 patients um to 4,454 patients in 24. So that is increasing the overall market share to 69.6% here in Dear County. So that tells us that people that need our services and have access to our care in our surrounding area um are finding us. They're they know we're here. So we are very very pleased to be able to announce that. Um I can also share with you that we have enhanced access to genomic testing to precision medicine to our high-risk screenings and we enrolled our first research study this past year as well. So we are meeting our goals exceeding in some of the areas. um our radiation oncology, our units of service, and we we could only count when we opened in April to the end of December, we had 3,872 units of service. And so far this year through June, we have had 3,610, which means we are on track to annualize at a much higher rate um of providing

radiation oncology in the surrounding area than that we did from last year. We have expanded access. We have three medical oncologists on site. Um we have one radiation oncologist who is there full-time. We have surgeons. Um I don't know if all of you are aware, but we actually have a female breast surgeon who um sees our patients in the breast center and collaborates and coordinates with our medical oncologists and radiation oncologists. So um it's a very multi-disiplinary approach right here in southeast Indiana. You don't have to go to Edgewood to have that done. Um, we have expanded to full two two full-time nurse practitioners in medical oncology and we also have a breast health nurse practitioner. So, we're expanding our services as well. Um, just as a reminder, we are a 66,000 square foot threetory facility with advanced imaging infusion lab and we do have our state-of-the-art linear accelerator. It's kind of our piece to resistance. We have added integrative oncology offerings. Um, we have cooking, health eating demonstrations, and we're calling that forks over cancer. We have had significant success with our integrative oncology services. We have incorporated music therapy. Um, we have live music in our therapies on Wednesdays at certain times throughout the month. Um, we have exercise programs and support programs. We're offering yoga which are actually open to any of our community members. You don't have to be a patient in our center. So, please spread the word. We would like to have lots of participation in our programs. Um our outpatient oncology scores for across the center are over 88%. So we are also maintaining our patient experience scores as well. And um if you don't mind, and I know we're limited on time, I do just want to read one care from a patient that we've received. We've got many, but we'll I'll keep it to just one. Um, so this is a patient's husband actually and what she writes is, "The moment we entered the lobby of the cancer center and heard the music, I relaxed. The energy in the center felt completely different than on

the other days that we come for chemotherapy and radiation." What a joy and an uplifter. Thank you. Thank you for understanding that to treat a person, you need to treat all facets of the person, body, mind, and spiritual elements. Please do more of this. We were able to talk with Lauren who is our violinist actually who plays in this center um on her break and her positive loving attitude healed us too. She's beautiful. Thank you. So just one of the ways that um our integrative oncology services have been able to touch and help heal the patients that we serve. Um and wrapping up because I know we have a short period of time. I just want to also announce that we have a farmers market that we are planning on August the 15th from 3:00 to 6 PM. We want to engage the community to come to the center. We want to engage with the community. So, we have, I think, about 15 um vendors so far that will be participating in our farmers market. So, we are hoping to see all of you there. It would be a good way to get to know our community members and hopefully so that they can get to know us a little bit as well. We are also planning a trunk or treat in October. again trying to do some outreach into the community and inviting them into our space so that they're a little more familiar with who we are. Um our future outlook, we do have ongoing recruitment to support the growth and to maintain our high quality care. We are expanding our integrative services and engaging our community members. We will continue to provide compassionate worldclass oncology care right here in our very hometown. So, it is a true privilege for me to be able to provide care and services to the people that I work and live with.

Thank you very much.

Um, on a closing note, I do just want to also make mention that our emergency services at Dearborn at St. Elizabeth Dearborn just received the Lantern Award. And for those of you that aren't familiar with the Lantern Award, um it is an award that is recognized by the Emergency Nurses Association, which recognizes emergency departments that demonstrate exceptional and innovative performance in leadership, practice, education, advocacy, and research. So, I think you'll find that the St. Elizabeth commitment continues and we are continuously working to provide excellent patient experience and compassionate quality care. So, thank you very much for your time and your financial support to our system. Um, we are all in this together and we can't do it alone. So, thank you very much.

Thank you. We do have a new member of council if you if you would give us a couple like just an overview. This is for Don County uh cancer centers foundation not St. Elizabeth proper um as as a member of the foundation if you don't mind just kind of making that delineation clear for Doug Baker as our new member. Uh yeah, Mr. Baker. Yes. The uh St. Louis Foundation the the money goes to that and then that's that's given then to to help that would help to build the the Dearburn Cancer Center. So it goes to the foundation itself.

And what services does foundation provide? foundation and I took turn it over to Sarah Secret who is the director of development here of course. So

thanks I'll be very quick. So uh St. Elizabeth Foundation we are the philanthropic arm of the organization. We are St. Elizabeth Healthcare is a nonprofit and so we are uh the department or the organization within the system to go out and fund raise and support the community needs for St. Elizabeth within the facility. So, one of the things I'll emphasize is that 100% of the of the dollars raised in this campaign and any dollar given to St. Louis Foundation goes directly to support the cause. So, 100% of the gift of Dearborn County goes directly to support the Dearborn Cancer Center and it's a facility and uh it was for the for the building of the facility and kind of completing that facility. So, we really thank you and appreciate all the support for that and those dollars are very important. Even though the facility is open and operational, we are still completing those needs. Thank you.

And I'll just pinch you again. Thank you all for appreciate the support and not only do we appreciate, but the community appreciates it because I've had many people say, you know, just that that drive and and just the care, not just the drive, it's the care that Terry was talking about that they're receiving. So, we truly do appreciate it. And we take any questions if you have any. Are there any questions from council? I just like to thank you all for doing what you do. It's a great facility. I've been inside there. It's uh it's unbelievable. So, it really is. I go I go in there every morning. The first stop of the day been there. That building was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, thank you as community members for your commitment to not any kind of organization, but this is a whole community effort. you've spoken to all the cities, many philanthropic arms throughout the community, and we're just one uh one entity stepping up on behalf of the citizens to try to continue to support this. So, thank you. Yeah, you're you're you're right. We're blessed to live in this community. I say that all the time. Thank you. Yeah, CG. So, we have on our agenda the uh appropriation of uh $250,000 is a donation toward the foundation and it would come out of growth and development. Is there a motion to move that we approve it. Is there a second? Second.

Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Motion passes. Thank you very much. And feel free to to leave. That's fine. You won't hurt our feelings.

Have a good day. Thank you very much. So, next on our agenda is Manchester Fire Department for an ambulance. The EMS lit. Good morning everyone. I'm Kevin Havlin. I'm the fire chief of Manchester Fire Department. Um coming here this morning to uh we're looking for some money to help us buy a squad out of the EMS lit money. Um Manchester's been very busy this last year since January. Uh we have upgraded our crew quarters majorly. Um, and we have actually moved to advanced level care over basic level care. Um, we have part-time medics and we have all of our full-time employees are now advanced EMTs as well. Um, if you don't know the difference that an advanced EMT can start an IV and give uh diabetic uh interventions but no pain management, a medic level is what can do pain management. Um, we have currently two medics on our staff. We're looking to gain more, but um, the problem we're having is with our unit breaking down more and more often. Um, before I get into actually asking for that money, I spent five years as the president of the EMS Alliance. Um, Tommy over there and I have kind of switched it back and forth a few times. Uh, none of the stuff, all of these great things that I'm I'm talking about could happen if you guys hadn't passed that lit a couple years ago. That money has created an actual working EMS system in Dearborn County. Uh, we all struggled years ago. We're still struggling some because there's not quite enough member EMS crew

members out there for us all to share, but we're getting closer. And that all started because of this lit money. And I want to just personally thank you for that. and and acknowledge the change and acknowledge that things are so much better. Um the problem for us, we have a 2012 ambulance. Um when we bought that ambulance for the first 10 years of its life, it got out of the building between 8 and 12 times a month. Um that was our average call volume when we bought that unit. Um currently just last month in uh July we had 37 calls that we went to where we used to average 12 two years ago. Um the additional use of that truck between trips to uh Sy uh here in Dearbornne and then also to Edgewood and we've made several trips to Children's and and uh uh Good Sam. The truck's starting to break down on us. We had to replace the rear end suspension which took it out of service for 6 weeks. Uh and our backup unit is a 1998 unit with over 180,000 miles on it. Um that works, but it's not something we can trust to run every single day. Um, as you may have heard over the last two years, EMS services are dying to get new units because every manufacturer out there is got at least a two plus year wait time from the time you order it to the time of delivery. Um, we started our process to look at what we needed as a new ambulance and we started that process by going to FDIC in Indianapolis where they have ambulances and fire trucks and all that stuff. Uh, and we actually talked to many of the different manufacturers and we were asking, okay, what's your what's your lead time? What what how soon if we order next month, can we expect this

truck? And the least amount of time was two years, two months. Uh, and then once you got it, the truck you were getting was a two-year-old chassis because they their policy was to buy the chassis right away and then that chassis was going to sit until they had time to build the box on the chassis. Um, one manufacturer out of the five that we talked to, four that we talked to, actually said, "Well, you know what? this ambulance that we have right here will be for sale in November. Uh and that was the Horton dealer. And so we our whole truck crew went up, they inspected this ambulance that was up there and we talked to them about the price and the things. Uh it met all of our criteria. Uh our biggest criteria is our ambulance goes off road a lot. Um there are many times we were picking up people out in fields uh from either razor ATV accidents or hunting accidents or working farm accidents. Um down there in Bonell, we we have runs down there a lot. So the biggest thing for us was that it had to be a four-wheel drive

and it had to be tall enough so that we could get it where we needed it to go. Um this unit, it was already built that way. Uh it is heavier than our current unit. Our current unit is one ton. This is a one and a half ton truck. Um, so it'll handle the weight better. The suspension is already built for exactly what we need. Um, so in talking to the Horton dealer, uh, we found out that we could buy it. It's going to have a few thousand miles on it because they have driven it all around the Midwest to their shows, but it's a brand new unit. Never had a patient in it. and their price on it was $4 and I think $48,000 and we had to in order to secure it, we had to put money down on it and the fire department went ahead and put down $45,000 just to hold it uh and to see if we could get the the additional appropriation. Um the unit has all of the new safety measures that are due to come out in the next two years for the EMS box. It has the restraints and stuff for the GMS participants already. Um, I said it's a 550 unit. It's got plenty of power. It's got the four-wheel drive that we need. Um, we already have all of the equipment except for we will be p fire department itself will pay for a cot lift and a new cop for it. Those things together are about $48,000. the fire department's going to pay for that. Um, and then the lettering and stuff on the side we're also going to pay for as well. But everything else we already have everything to put it in service within a day of when we get it.

So you said the fire department put down 10% or are all comp? Well, we're all one unit. Okay. We're all one unit now. So it's we used our billing income because of the increased runs that we've been having. We've had increased revenue come in from billing. We're using some of that to help pay for the down payment and then getting the uh the cot lift and the new cot for the unit. Mr. Havlin, you said your backup currently is a 98. It's got 180,000. Is that the unit you were talking about uh offloading? Yeah, that one will be sold. We actually already have a buyer in Napoleon Fire Department wants to buy it as their first response unit. And so your 2012 will become your backup. How many miles does it have? Uh

I believe it's 46,000. What' you get for your old one? Uh, we're selling it to them for between five and 8,000 depending on how much equipment we can leave in it for them. Uh, Kevin, I got a question. Sure. I know, maybe I'm just confused, but on one paper it's got Chief Jason Welby and then he signed the request letter. So he he is our assistant chief EMS and a lot of companies anybody that's in the chief rank whether it's assistant or the actual fire chief they will put chief okay

that's just a many of us in the chief rank are just advis or as acknowledged as chief I would like to congratulate Manchester on reaching ALS status and for the way they've utilized the EMS lit monies to provide additional services for your community, which is exactly what it was intended for.

Yeah. Well, I I got I got to put a lot of that credit onto Jason Willoughby as our assistant chief. He's the one who he did all the leg work. He showed me what it needed and he he's doing a great job. And we're we're gaining EMTs. We just added two more uh LA two weeks ago now while I was actually on vacation. So, that's a nice problem to have know that it's building while I'm not there. Jason is um our EMS coordinator. Do you have anything you would like to add? Your plug would come up.

I'll just Jason Sullivan, the EMS director. Um I'd just like to add that um you know, Manchester has made, you know, as Kevin mentioned, they've made great strides in their response rates. You know, before um 2025 when the LIP money came into place, I believe they were

60% something. And I don't have that figure previous um the last three months. So I should say the second quarter, I don't have July yet. They were 100% response rate, which is phenomenal. Um so they're they're doing what they need to in my opinion to uh to help us and use that lit money the way they need to. So you guys have additional questions for me. What what area do you cover does Manchester cover or do I Manchester? Manchester Township covers all of Manchester Township and then um we go a little bit uh what township's Miller York Miller Township

Miller Township Jackson a little bit. We cover bits outside of the township but mainly it's all Manchester Township. That's that's the bulk of our area. and we've gone as far away as Dillsboro and everywhere else wherever we're needed. But yeah, they'll meet you later. I move that we approve this request.

Can I just a quick Is there a fund balance, Leah, in this fund? Do you know what we have in there? Yeah. Once every like if we take it to like we're going to spend everything that's budgeted there would be 744,000 at the end of the year. So like to second that motion.

Thank you Tim. Any other questions or comments? Oh, only thing I would like to say is like Jason, if you're kind of ramroing this thing, I think it'd be good if we if we had like a standard spec because this is like the second or third ambulance we bought and uh if we'd had everybody on the same page and we had the same spec for the ambulances. I think the last one, if I remember right, wasn't it like 350? Went up 100,000 from last year. Yeah. And I didn't know whether it's because he got a different type.

Right. Our our unit is a different type and it's theirs is a 350, ours is a 550 and I mean the beauty the main draw to the one we're getting is because we can have it now. I mean November we got the new unit versus in 2028. And I mean we kind of got the cart in front of the horse here doing the way we did it here. But but I would say the only thing I would say to that I think that's what he's saying is like in the more rural areas one type of squad may be better than rights rural too. I mean, they got we got this kind of stuff. This one's very similar to Bry's last new one.

I think part of the issue you're going to run into is we don't buy at volume. You know, we buy one or two a year to where they're not going to look at that. The lead time is going to kill us on that. They don't care. The people we need ambulances so they don't they're not going to really care is is my opinion from what I've noticed. This is across the country where there's just a shortage of it's a shortage. I mean, it used to be you can order an ambulance and have it six to nine months and now you're maybe less and now you're, you know, over two years. What do you attribute that to? Just people don't want to work.

I hate to I hate to say it that way, but you know, if you look at the lead time, you know, it all changed during COVID. Um, then the quality of the manufacturing just I feel like that's changing now. I mean, the equipment was in short supply and now places are they're uh they're getting, you know, quite a bit of inventory in. So, hopefully that'll happen with the ambulances, too. You think CO had anything to do with it? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And I I think that, you know, part of the issue is when you're looking at a two-year lead time, if now, you know, like he said though, if they're buying the the chassis now, affect the price, but some of them cannot guarantee that price either because they don't know what kind of upgrade they're getting. Liz, I think in our previous ambulance purchases, we've included in there that it was being the name of the county. Did we or or a clawback clause? And is that something we need to include in our motion or Yeah, I know. I know. When we discussed this in in our meeting, the one uh it was a clawback clause and I think that's actually listed in our contract. Remember, not number the unit. Yeah, that's that's the way I we understood.

That would be a separate contract. responded pistol. Yeah, he's he said the second. Yeah. If there is not a clause as such in place, could we initiate with this? So, the way we've handled these before council approves the appropriation and then the commissioners approve the supplemental distribution. We've had that in there before to call back. Okay. The other units that we did. So, we don't need to include that in our motion. We'll have to That's our standard. Okay. We have a motion, a second. Any other questions or discussion? Yeah, I got one. Have you uh I talked to a fellow out in Ripley County.

He said they rechass some of their units. Is that a you know not necessarily Manchester's case, but some of the other units is getting made on. Can we could we do that? Yeah. Um there's stipulations to do it. I don't exactly what they are. But I know they there's some of them that have done that path, right? And I I think you can only do it once and it also depends on the age of the chassis. So there there's some of them that have already looked into that process and and discussed that. He said basically they they take the box off one unit and put it on the other one. Correct. With a new chassis underneath it. Correct.

Um that actually we originally looked at that. Um, but our box has too much damage support for us to be able to do that. And that that's one of the things with the refit, the remount on a new chassis. If the box itself has damage, then you're also replacing all, you know, cabinet doors, all the plastics, and all those pieces inside. Um, so it is some money savings, but it's not very time friendly either.

It's usually about a year process at least for the refit, but it is a possibility. I imagine the EMS Alliance as a group probably looks into potential squad needs and what's available and what needs to happen, whatever. So, we do have a motion in a second. Unless there are any other questions or comments, I'd like to ask for a vote. All those in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Nay. Motion passes. Thanks. Thank you very Leah. Are you presenting for the judge?

Yes. one would you like to start with? First on here is general supplies the $3,000. Um I know uh superior court 2 had some issues with their jab system. So she moved all the money she could around to pay for that big bill. So this is kind of to replenish her coffers for any future.

Does anyone have any questions for Liz? This is lifted out of both funds. Should we take out a 4914 if it's I would I would recommend using county general 49 and 14 is contingency and it does have a decent balance but to me this is more like routine day-to-day stuff. Okay. and I'm more comfortable taking it out of county general. I'll make a motion for the 3,000 for the general supplies out of county. Second. Motion is second. Any other questions or comments? Who did the second? Mark. All those in favor signify by saying I. I.

Opposed? Name. Motion passes. 50,000 for public defender. Notice that there are some upcoming felony trials that are for the fall. Okay. And this apparently required by law. So, um it's advertised also out of County General and uh 4914. And again, I would recommend that we try to use county general because this is routine type of uh expenditure. So, is there a motion to approve the 50,000 for public defenders out of county general? I'll make the motion. Thank you, Dean. Is there a second?

Second. All those in favor signify by saying I. Opposes n may. No, she passes. There's another one for um custom saints is advertised out of pun courthouse. This is in the daycap area. Yes.

Okay. There's a explanation on the on the sheet on the problem with the uh status of those sinks. Uh Eric has replaced has recommended they're being replaced. It's um $22,993 for three custom sinks out of King Courthouse. Is there a motion to approve? Liz, who did you say recommended this change? I think Eric and uh Sheriff Mckenry.

Sally has on here, my understanding is Eric Hartman approved of this as well as Sheriff Mckenry, but neither have money in their budget. So, she's asking for the additional monies to replace those three saints. Which one? It's in the JCap area. Japan courthouse shouldn't. Yeah, that's where it's advertised out of KU courthouse. That seems to place for it. It could come out of Kum Courthouse and that's got a fairly healthy balance. Yes.

You want to make a motion to approve it, Dennis? Is there a motion to approve this out of King? It was advertised only out of King Courthouse. So, it's going to have to come out of King Courthouse. It's going to be They consider that like building court. They consider the jail part of our building. There's Jake. I don't know where the pods are in the jail exactly.

It's in the new addition, Dan. In that part. So, Dennis, that I don't want to pressure you, but that It sounds like maybe you were making the motion. If you're not, that's okay. You're not. Okay. Is there a motion to approve this for the new sinks out of Union Ford House? Thank you, Mark. Is there a second? I'll second. We have a motion and second. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Oppose. Nay. Motion passes. Thank you. painful but necessary.

Yeah, unfortunately. Next is the sheriff asking for the funds to approve uh a change in how some of those positions are paid. There's an ordinance in your packet from the commissioners um putting this into place and this would be the money to u make that happen for the b remainder of this uh calendar year and is advertised out of public safety lit and I notice there was nothing in here for retirement. So that's yeah we pay that as one lump. So,

okay. So, this is something that the sheriff requested and the commissioners have adopted. So, I'm asking for a motion to approve the $27,989 to cover the new 84hour shift for certain officers out of the public safety let. Is there a motion to approve? So, move. Thank you, Tim. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Mark. Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I.

Oppose. Nay. Motion passes. Thank you. County surveyor. This is an MS4 is called MS4 issue.

This is an issue that was brought about because of an MS4 inspection. Um, so we had our first annual inspection earlier this year. I don't remember the exact date. Um, Stacy Goodwin came down from IDM, Indiana Department of Environmental Management and uh, the county highway department. County has a piece of property down on Randall Avenue that I believe was purchased in the early 2000s, 2005, six, something like that. And uh it's more of a valley than anything. And uh a lot of the stuff that got picked up by the highway department that got left laying along the road or things that got demoed out as the highway department was improving roads got dumped in that valley. And uh I mean it wasn't a problem until it became a problem. And I'm not trying to blame anybody. I'm not saying it's anybody's fault. Uh, but when we got our MS4 inspection, there were several things that were pointed out as being non-compliant. And there's a pond or maybe it was sedimentation pond for erosion control that was probably put in back when that subdivision was initially done. Well, that's now a wet land. We or potentially a wetland, I should say. Our

first step in this is to find out if it's a wet land and find out. Corin, this is from who determines the wetland status. We have to have a consultant do that. IDM just points out, well, this might be a wet land and then we have to pay somebody to tell us if it's a wet land or not. Or not. I think I

part of this money is going to be used for that wetland delineation, but I've actually already paid for it or haven't paid for it out of my budget yet, but I was going to if we needed to because we got to show it that we're taking steps to remediate the situation. Otherwise, they're going to start doing nasty things like telling us they're going to find us and all that good stuff that we don't want to deal with anyway. Um, this number was just a number we guessed added. Um, because we really don't know what it's going to cost clean it up. Um, so whatever you don't use rolls back in.

Yeah. I'm not not looking to make this a slush fund for my office or anything. Um, but Tim's been working on it. They've got the highway crews out there when they're not on other projects in the county. They're pulling junk out and taking metal to the recycling or to the scrap yard and Tim's got a hold of uh Willilhelms about coming down and shredding up the trees and stuff. They're down in there. But this is the first step. Then we're going to end up having to have a consultant tell us what we have to do to fix the situation. And

it's like a man-made wet land. Yeah. Well, well, certainly is. Yeah. It It's the thing with wetlands is it may not have been a wet land until we made it or somebody man made a detention pond or it may farm pond. A wet land. Yeah. So, it's a wetland. Once a wet land, always a wet land or can it be remediated and taken out of that? It

becomes a wet land. It stays a wet land. Yes. Um, so if you got somebody farming your property, you keep them farming it because if it sits idle and becomes grown wetland materials, you won't be farming anymore. And that industrial park when they developed it, they put a bunch of retention pumps in to help control the runoff. You know, I think that's what your deal. That's what I think it is. I think it's a but they check the soil type and and the vegetative material was grown on there to see if it's actually classified as a wetland.

When they see cattails, it's a wetland. Well, probably right. Um, we did get three proposals on the wetland delineations and uh they ranged I 3450 to $9,000. H there you go. So we've already signed agreement with the least expect Mr. Krauss. So um when the inspections happen, do they go into all the highway garages or just that one?

They did that the highway facilities down on Randall Avenue and they did the recycling center. They haven't looked at any of our other uh facilities yet. Do they have suspected Manchester or not Manchester or Jameson? No. Is that on their list of to-do projects? We should take this as a good opportunity to clean up what we can clean up in advance of any inspections. Obviously,

well, the main thing I don't think we want to get into is if we have to replace that area that's considered a wetland with another area that's could potentially become a wetland. I'm not sure that we've affected the area that I'm anticipating they're going to classify as a wet land, but that's also what the consultant has to determine. Um, but yeah, if if we would end up having to replace a wet land, there's some ratio of how much we disturbed multiplied by a factor as to how much we have to create. leader.

So this 250 that you're requesting to make some remediation in that Randall Avenue area. This is that's is like a worst case scenario number to the best of your ability. This is just a number we pulled out to start with. So you have an you have this uh assessment of the wetland which is going to be 3,450 bucks. And the the next steps are what is it? Uh is there a contractor that does clean up? Do we do the cleanup? He just needs calling or what's the

We're actually going to have to have a consultant come in and tell us how much to clean up. Um Tim's been working on it or the highway department's been working on it, but it's more than if we have to clean up everything that's been dumped in there for the last 25 years, it's going to be lots and lots and lots of truckloads. And it's going to have to be done by somebody other than our guys because we just don't have the staff to do it. Sure. So we guess that a number I mean we got to start somewhere. So somewhere along the line we just started using this as a dump. Yeah.

More or less. I mean it made a nice bill. I mean, I've seen we made a nice fill for part of it, but um I mean, the tires and stuff all have to come out. Um there's other materials in there that are going to have to be sent off to a landfill, an approved landfill. Where's the closest one? I do not know. I I don't even know where some of this stuff may end up having to go. So, are we taking the tires to the recycling center? They do take tires there. Are they charging?

Well, I just don't want to give a blank check to a consultant. I'm not giving a blank check to anybody. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't want them to see, we have $250,000 ear marks for this and and then everybody, you know, I'd rather give you the funds as you need them. And if this is what you need from the start, that's fine. But I don't want to. You just want to be very careful about funding something because when there's something that's funded by God, we always find a way to spend it. So, this is intended to pay for a consultant to tell us what we have to clean up and as much of the cleanup as we can get done. So, do we need a quote from a consultant or or

you know, I'm just trying to be careful about just throwing the money out there first. Actually, I believe Sandy's already started getting quotes on getting a consultant to come in and tell us what we have to do. But all that's going to hinge on whether they classify that as a wetland or not, and if it's classified as a wetland, how much of it's been disturbed by county activities.

Um, Indiana Department of Land Quality is involved with this because they consider it a dump. So, they're going to tell us or a consultant's going to tell us what we're going to have to do to meet their requirements. And I'm I'm certainly not thinking that we're going to spend $250,000 on a consultant to tell us what to do. I'm anticipating we're going to spend a certain amount getting a consultant to draw draft up a plan to tell us what we've got to do to make this meet current requirements. And then we're going to use the balance of the money to hire contractors to come in and haul that stuff out.

So this is consultant and remediation. Yes. This isn't just a consult. This is And when's our next meeting, Liz? Is it September? Well, the there's budget adoption and budget hearing. Um I don't remember the exact date. I'd feel much more comfortable if we can find fun find the consultant and figure out what what we need to get our arms around. And it could be $2 million. It could be $100,000. I have no idea. and then we need to fix it. I just want to be careful about getting it advertised and everything by

September 5th is the next is budget adoption that I mean as far as time to advertise which sounds like it's rather a tight timeline and the next scheduled meeting is um November 13th. Nove yeah, November 13th.

And in the meantime, we're we're remediating what we can. Tim, is it we're hauling it? We're hauling it to an approved landfill now from sell scrap the steel like that. Anyway, they showed up to do the investigation and we had things sitting to be hauled out because we don't do it every day. Sure. But you rain or you know in the winter when we're a little slower. So stuff builds up. How many loads of stuff do you think's down there? Have no idea. Like hundreds.

Been there longer. I've been working for the county dumping stuff for you know since they bought it. So

the whole the whole the whole way we do business has to change. But they don't they don't want us stubbing like like say we go in and put a culver in we take the hot mix off that we take the asphalt off. They don't want stuffing that there no more. So it has to go they want that to go to an approved landfill. And when they get done with us, they're going to start picking up contractors because they're all doing the same thing and in different areas and in close to our area. So, it's going to get uh how we do business is going to be a lot different. You know, it was a land, you know, we use it to land a lot. Can't have brush. We can't have, you know, like all the debris from the storms and the flood, all those trees. We're not allowed to have it. Where do I do it?

So, you have to chip everything like that now. I don't have a chipper like that. Larsburg does. And Sandy stands for do it. I don't think they're going to want to do all our stuff, but they may. I I don't have it. She She's invested she's full in that. Uh so we may have to have a big hub drive or something as a as a They have to. What do those cost? $500,000. And then once it's chipped, how do you You're better off to hire somebody to come in and grind something.

So that's why I called here and I think for just don't quote me on this. I think like for 20 grand or so, they're going to clean up what we got. But then again, just like what you just said, then what do I do with the chicks? I can't leave her there. We can't bury it. So they we'll have to go to the park and the park will have to maybe make bags or something, you know, grind grind chips for for in in the park somehow. We can't bury them. So it's if you hire somebody to grind them, they'll generally take the chips with No, they won't. We'll cost you all the chips off these

charge more. Yeah, but they'll they'll generally take them off site. Oh, they'll take them. We just got to pay for them. So that may be we're trying to trying to save but save town but right trying to find an avenue for them.

I reached out once they're shipped I reached out some of these big multi maybe they would come and pick them for free you know if we loaded them on their truck like J balls for instance on the west side or something like that. I don't know if they will. They might might not. I don't I haven't got that far yet. He's supposed to come in September do the driving. So this is like our biggest highway area to deal with. Now Manchester, they'll be looking at that and then they'll be looking at Jameson. So we've we've been cited by so we have to take action. [Music] You want to make the motion?

Yes. I'll make a I'll make a motion to approve with the ser county survey request. I would suggest we do that out of contingency. It's advertised out of county general and out of contingency fund. This is not a routine expense. So I think that the motion is to approve the $250,000 out of fund 4914. I'll seconded. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed? Nay. Motion passes. Thanks for your work on this. I know it's a pain. Thank you.

Do the best we can. Just get started. Just getting started. Thanks again. I'd like to I'd like to note this back when we were doing the 25 budget, it was told to us that we're going to probably be looking at purchasing additional 10 acres at that site on Randall Avenue and then of course Jameson will be I think the commissioners would like to relocate that location anyway more centrally to the county, but we're just starting with the MSSE head MS4 headaches. I think next is juvenile center. You get the pleasure, Leah.

The third request is for part-time wages and they um they have enough funds to get through August, but after that they have no more part-time funds. So, you're not the person who could probably answer this, but I have a lot of heartburn on some of these things. It's, you know, um, they requested for part-time $30,000 in 2025. They've expended $75,000 as of July the 18th. So, they're borrowing it from they're moving it from their overtime,

right? So if you if you add the two together, I mean, they were approved for $130,000 for the two funds and out of the overtime they've expended about 14,000. So they have at this point expended about 90,000 of the 130 and they're asking for an additional almost $30,000. I have partner with it as well. But the a little bit of saving grace I see in it is one I'd rather pay a regular part-time instead of overtime and I'd rather pay a part-time person than a full-time person if we can, which is that's the only reason I can come to grips with a little bit,

but it still leaves that money in in um overtime. I would almost rather them have to have to take it out of their overtime than this additional amount you're saying they're still I mean they shifted they've shifted overtime into part-time already and that's how they that's how they've been able to fund the 75,000 that they've expended out of the $30,000 requested because they've shifted uh overtime into part-time but they're asking for an additional 65,000 saying I could pull up on the computer if I get it booted up to tell you exactly how much they spent out of overtime because I'm just not sure.

Well, according to the information in our budget packets, it shows that as of 71825 in overtime, they've expended right at $14,000. And I don't know if the part-time money will go down. They are full now. They had some turnover for a while. As of the next pay period, they have filled all their slots. Last time he was here, I thought he said they were making money over there. Well, that doesn't show up in this. And they're generating revenue. Generating revenue and making money are two different things, right? But they are generating revenue offset some of their expenses.

Out of county, but I don't know what their actual census is now. So, I think it was down for a while. I can't answer any of those.

Yeah. I mean, it says that it's required by law, and I'm not an attorney. The person who submitted this, I would assume, had Judge Megard, you have some knowledge on what the law is more than Liz Morris, but I just have a lot of heartburn with a $65,000 request. And it seems like they are blowing through a boatload of money on, and I'm like Tim, I would definitely rather pay part-time than overtime. But between the two, they've expended right at $90,000 out of approved budget of between the two funds, 130. So an additional 65. I mean, it's just it's unsustainable.

They didn't give you They didn't give you any kind of uh occupancy information, did they? Did not. breakdown of local versus out counties.

I know they have moved a lot to out of county, but I don't know what the uh I mean that's where they're making the money, of course, but I don't know how that's continuing. And as counties have uh more and more difficulty with their own budgets, I don't know what they're going to do with these juveniles, but u it's a problem. Definitely while Cam is talking. Do you have any idea how much revenue they generated? I could if I boot up that computer, I can tell you how much they brought in. I was thinking was like 130,000 maybe. Last time I looked. I think it was I think like at some point in 25 they had generated roughly 300,000 or so in

out of county.

Maybe that's what they build. But it it was like at one point and I can't remember just what the cut off date may have been May but what they generated in 2025 from out of county billings but it would depends too I mean that may not be the the case going forward counties may decide that you we can't afford they charge 175 a day for routine juvenile detention and if they're waved to adult we're holding them I think they get I think they're charged 350 a day. Yeah. So, I think that I think that the juvenile center has generated roughly $300,000, but if you look at their budget request, it's gone up by about that much. I would be

we got I was going to say, do we got to give them all all of I would my my thinking is is a good faith effort. I would cut this in half at best and I would I would I would do 50% because I don't want them to, you know, be in a position where they are underst staffed and therefore they have to send some kids back where wherever they came from. To me, we're kind of between a rock and a hard place. The juvenile center has always bled the county. It is always I mean in my 20 years on council this has been it costs roughly $1.4 million or something a year to operate and it generates Yeah.

which as a there's only a few people from Dearborn County there.

There's only a few juvenile centers in the in the state. I think maybe 11 or 12. I think there's one county that's building a new jail and they're building a juvenile center in the as an addition to their new jail. But I mean a lot a lot of them have closed and I can see why financially it's just it's just a problem. I mean the most I could be comfortable with is is just cutting this in half and just but that's I'm one of seven. So I don't I mean if everyone wants to vote it down or vote half or vote the whole thing. But I just I just know that this is a runaway train. I I mean I think they're doing good things and I think they're doing with programs more things to help the kids which is great pricey but great. So I know [Music]

well yeah definitely need a motion either to approve the whole thing all of it or to deny it. I'll make a motion to approve 33,000. Okay. So, you want to approve like 30,000 in wages and the whatever the FICA is for that. Okay. 30,000 in wages. 30,000 plus FICA. And this is out of county general. Does anyone have a second? I'll second. Any other questions? Yes. Do we have to accept out of county?

No, no, no. That they're they're going that way because those are only different county residents pay zero. So as far as any revenue or income that is only from out of county placements and if their staffing becomes an issue, they can, you know, not accept additional kids and and deal with it that way. But there is critical mass that comes into play when you have to have an educator and you have to have all these other different things. Not doesn't make sense to have it for two or three people. If we can generate some revenue and keep eight or 10 in there, it helps offset our expenses. But as a loss leader, is the revenue offsetting expense or is it a wash, you know, or do we know that?

Well, we haven't historically cut our staffing to the point of being able to re recognize those savings. So, so, so, uh, in Ohio County with our when we had to take prisoners to another jail, we contracted, we had to pay that whether we had the beds filled or not. I don't know if that's something we should look at here. We tal I think we talked about a a user availability fee or something like that at one point, but I don't think the judge has done anything with it. Yes. If you want to have you want to have a bed available for your county at Dearborn County, then you need to pay X amount per month as a user whether you have availability fee. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good idea. Yeah, that could be that could work.

County made us do that in Ohio County. We have a motion and a second to approve the juvenile center parttime request for 30,000 in salaries plus the FICA. Any other discussion or questions? All those in favor signify by saying I I opposed. Nay. Motion passes. Uh so they also are requesting $1,500 for supplies.

Moved. Out of County General. Who made the motion? General. County General. Yeah. Yes. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I I don't need to do a voice vote. I we can get enough. Dan, yes. Glenn, we're taking a roll call vote. Yeah. Dennis Y

motion passes. Thank you. Next is a washer and dryer. I did speak to uh Eric Hartman about this and he uh says that they do need to have more of a industrial size washer and dryer because of the number of loads that they're burning through washers and dryers uh because they're just using like I guess household

style. The only thing that Eric said was that they were looking into whether it be better to get an electric or a gas dryer. So, I don't know if this $6,000 he says we may also need to have electric and excuse me, water supply to these appliances adjusted. And whether that's in that 6,000, it's not clear, but I do know that they do need um to have this piece of equipment because other it's just falsifying need to keep burning through standard washers and dryers. I've purchased a few commercial washers and dryers and I can tell you that's not out of line. So, I'll make a motion to approve. County General. Yes. Second.

We have a minute and a second. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Motion passes out of county general. The next one is $1,000 for inmate meals. This is like fresh fruits and vegetables for children. I will note that we did approve for the first time ever the $750 for that same purpose earlier in the years and apparently it's not enough. It's not because I think it was March you guys gave them. Who pro who procures these? Does Kathy does Kathy prior get it or do

I think a lot of times either um Josh or Beth will go we reimburse them for a lot of purchases. I think they go buy it and bring it back. Just a local vendor probably. Yeah, like Walmart or Kroger. Well, if it's fresh fruits and vegetable, you have to do it closely by I guess. So, anyway, this is advertised out of county general and river, but I recommend this be a county general expense. But is there a motion to approve the $1,000 additional for the juveniles for fresh fruits and vegetables? So moved. There a second. Second.

Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I passes out of county general. The next one is educational services for $20,000. Do you have any additional information?

This is all I got. The same thing we're looking at. If Okay. I will note that this is not required by law according to the judge. If that gives anybody additional information about it. Um just as additional educational services requesting $20,000 for educational services. We budgeted $75,000 for 2025. So this is an additional 20. That's what the request is. So, how many hours a day do those juveniles actually go to class or in school?

I would imagine it's standard school day time, but I'm not 100% sure, but I I feel like we budgeted 75,000 additional 20,000 seems like quite a jump. This is also advertised out of county general and riverboat. And again, this is students. All the students aren't Don County students.

Most of them are not Der County students. Most of them, I mean, as of the last time I saw a census, unfortunately, I'm on that board, but the last time I saw a census, most of the population were out of county. But they do try to keep they've always and I I will give them credit for this. They have always worked really hard to keep the kids up to date with their schoolwork no matter where they went to school. They would even get back in the day before computers were such a thing. I mean, they would actually get textbooks from South Dearborn or Lawrenceburg or East Central brought to the juvenile center to keep the kids up because you want to give these kids every opportunity to succeed. And if they get behind in their schoolwork, then that's a problem. But I mean, $75,000 was a proof 25. This additional 20 U,000 seems like a lot to me. Do

you know what's in the budget for 26? They asked at 102 102 that this was approved it would be 95 for 25 and if we approve the entire 26 request it'd be 102. I at some point I thought we were splitting some education services with the school like a school was sending somebody. So I know we have some outside contractors that come in and do some things and then we have a full-time educator. Correct. We to the educator was cut and then it was moved down to this educational services. What will the ed how much do we pay the education?

When it first started it was equal. They took exactly what the salary was and shoved it down to this service but now it it keeps going up. in the Lawrenburg schools does provide uh some I don't remember any more exactly what it is but Lawrenburg public schools does supply something in the educational realm for the juvenile center. So they've been generous to the center in that way but not having anyone here to explain like what this additional $20,000 is for. We're kind of flying blind. So there can we can vote to approve it. We can vote to table it. We can vote to disapprove it.

We just need a motion to proceed. Like a motion.

I I will say I've had the opportunity to that facility and also speak to some of the kids and it when you leave there you realize what an impact it has on them. But that that's the emotional part, right? like it's easy to one time you're sitting here and it's like no these are just numbers and we're looking at numbers and I know when I get in the four walls it's a little on the emotional side but um talking to some of the folks who work in the education and the music therapy and doing the other things there obviously they're going to always support it but um seeing some of the kids and and the way they act in there and the way they are a couple months later sometimes it makes a difference again this is not required by law this is above and beyond because we feel like maybe it's moving the needle, reducing recidivism, helping them to become better people.

I'll make a motion to approve it then. We have a motion to approve it out of the county general. Can I get it? Yeah, I would say this is like an ongoing expense, not a contingency type thing. So, I would say my personal thing to be county general. Okay. Have a motion to approve the 20,000 out of county general. Is there a second? I'll second it. We have a motion and a second. Is there any other discussion? How much do have we used so far of the 75,000? I'm not sure. I could look it up and I can

Yeah, those numbers are as of June 30. So, it's close. This is educational services. What's that number? Do you have that? 33114. They have expended right at 60,000. And that's through the halfway mark then. That was as of July 18th. Oh, July. Okay. That was June 30th. I cut it off. That was June 30th. Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in Any other questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I

oppose. Nay. Motion passes. Thank you, Leah. Next is highway. This is advertised out of 1176, which was only to be used by highway. Morning. Tim Gravity, Highway Superintendent. Um, we're here requesting um two different uh amounts of money.

Let's do let's do the purchase of the new truck first on our agenda and that's out of fund 1176.

What what happened there is one of our trucks unfortunately burnt to the ground. So, we had an extensive in um insurance adjusters all over it. They can't determine because it's melted to the ground. They can't determine why it did it. So, they basically the insurance paid paid it off. So, as um Miss Hayden says that they're going to she handle it handled that part of it. Um they're going to give us $29,722.50 50 cents for a 2021 truck. I thought that was pretty cheap, pretty pretty low ball, but that's the way that's what that's what they're going to do. It was a little more than that, but we have a $2,500 deduction, so they took that off. And the actual cash price then is $29,722.50 for the one that burnt. Uh we figure you have to put 30,000 of that to get a new truck cuz the last one we bought was like 55,000. Is

this like a pickup truck? Pickup truck. Utility bed. Mark four-wheel drive utility bed. Pickup truck. Was this at the highway department when this burned? No, it was on the job site. Cleared out on uh the end of West Law three about as far away from civilization almost you can get. Well, the Friendship Fire Department came and served. I mean, they're not even in our county and they're the ones that come and put it out. There was no damage to other property. No. No. Well, melted the part of the road. It got so hot it melted part of the road, but we were there working anyway, so we fixed it. Okay. Is there a motion to approve this out of 1176? $30,000.

Second. Motion is second. Any other questions? Ben and Martin. Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor 65 by saying I.

Motion passes. Your next thing is $800 slope repair. Yes, $1.8 million. Uh the actual fix is is is 2.2, but I got money still left in my restricted account that we're checking out out of uh to put with that 1.8 to get the excuse me to get uh Salt Fourth Road repaired, all the slips fixed from basically from Jackson Ridge to one. There's several in there. Multiple different fixes. Some's going to try some steel like we've already have. Some will be uh shot crate. Some are pins and nails. It's It's very, you know,

over the years we've fixed four or five different sections of there multiple times. Yes. But that was with not this level of nails and and chalk treat and all that stuff.

Well, some of them were. Yes. one one of the one of the one of the one of the original slips that we fixed were basically tagging on to where we fixed and because they just you know the slips just keep h come you know at the time when we fixed it we didn't have the money to do you know do it all at one time you know um they keep growing at the whole county so out of our my restricted fund this year we have fixed primal Kaiser we just those two projects are done. Um, we're going to fix state line in two weeks. Oh, good. And then we're going to with this money's appropriated, then we're going to go to Salt Fork this when this is in house work or

No, it's contractor work. Okay. So, you got this will all be bid. Yeah. See, contractor work. So, this is the one that was intended to be done last year, but because of the detour on Mount Pleasant, Route One, we shifted that as the Right. And we fixed Mount Pleasant. We took the the salt fork money that you were correct that was earmarked for that and we used it on Mount Pleasant to do what? To fix the the Mount Pleasant Hill slip because that that that was closed. Yeah, the road was I mean road was closed basically. Four letter word is slip. I mean it's gone to the top of the list for me. Yeah, it's uh I don't know. They're We are cursed. We're cursed.

Well, we are. I I've showed you that map before. I brought that map to you guys probably start looking at it but we're in the slip plane far as geological um survey so kind of runs all the worst in the county in the state place possible at the bottom of the hill next to the creek that was the you know they weren't going to cut back 15 foot into the mountain to build the road they going along the edge of the creek and the hollows. Guess what? Climate and rain and everything else in time the slip planes are starting to move.

Okay. So, I'd like to make I'd like to make a comment before we start on these projects. I mean, Tim's got this one last one uh in the highway department. Then Todd's got several uh they were advertised out of county general and 4916 with this which is MVHA riverboat money. I would recommend that all of these be my personal preference would be to see all of these funded out of 4916. That's its purpose rather than out of county general. And we have about4 million. This is this is like $3.8 million worth of requests total.

Yeah. For all pods and his and we've got 404.2 million in that account. So I think that it would be appropriate to if we approve all these it comes to 3.8 and do them all out of 4916. So, we do have a request for the Salt Fork slip repair to be able to fund the entire project for the additional $1.8 million. Uh, is there a motion to approve that out of hopefully MVHA? So, moved. Second.

Thank you, gentlemen. Any other questions or discussion? Those in favor of approving this out of 4916 signify by saying nay. Motion passes. Thank you, Kim. See you in a couple [Music]

still on fire. Yes. Morning there. Couple things I passed out to you. Number one is for the first request which is Hman Road. Uh basically you can kind of see what's happening again just like the roads that Tin's fixing for slips. It's kind of doing this right around one of our bridge structures. Uh basically the creek is cutting in behind the uh wing walls uh jeopardizing both the bridge structure as well as road. Uh same way uh same company that does a lot of tin slip repairs. We've worked with them. Uh basically we want to drive sheet piling along the edge of the creek and then soil nail that sheet piling back in to prevent the creek from going into the road and backside of the bridge structure to save that structure as well as save the road. So that is Hman Road. uh cost to do that is just under 160,000.

Is there a motion to approve this out of 4916? I'll make a motion. Second u any questions or comments? Will that road need to be shut down when the work's done? Yes. Yeah. All those in favor signify by saying I. When will these when will this be anything? opposed. May sometime this fall and passes out of 49 this fall. Try to get it done before the idea is get this done. You can see before winter. Okay. So, we'll be going out with the contractor getting close in this and getting everything before winter. Thank you.

Uh next other thing that I handed out is kind of the bridge projects for 2026. kind of expand where we're at through our bridge replacement and small structure replacement program. Uh the bridges I list all the bridges that are uh on the priority list for replacements. As you noticed on this list, there are one, two, three bridges that are under contract as we speak. Actually, they poured the deck of Sneakville Road this morning. So, Sneakville, the top two, Sneakville, North Dearborn are federal aid projects. Uh, bridge deck for, like I said, bridge 64 is for this morning. Uh, bridge uh 33, we're working at the week of the nuh 15th. Uh, or the the 19th, the week of the 19th to pour that deck. Uh, so those are coming along real good. Uh last Friday we poured the coping wall repair deck on Wilson Creek Road. So that one's going along really good. Lower Dillsboro Road slip is hopefully uh end of this week, early next week, we'll be putting in the uh that's just a box structure. Uh asphalt pavement on that, whether permitting, get the guard rail, have that open uh hopefully by the middle of the month. Uh the other ones we're hoping by the end of September to have open uh back to traffic. So that's kind of the four that we got in the works right now. As you know, this is a living breathing thing. Every at one time I think we were we started at 16 when I first started. It went as high as 21. We're back down I think 12. Uh just like you say we got one, two, three completed uh this year.

Uh but as you notice, the numbers didn't go down because we added three back into the system with the last bridge inspection program. So we added St. Peters, we added Burns, and we added uh North Hogan. Uh so there's actually three structures got added into the list this year. Uh and then as we proceed through our processes, I'll be seeking funds for in budgets to start those designs. Not this year, probably next year to keep the system that's going down the down the line as we proceed. It also shows you which ones uh uh today that I'll be asking for funding for hopefully to get funding so we can go ahead and do replacement projects in 2026 and then which ones are actually under design as we speak and then which ones we will ask for additional designs uh and going on uh as you see bridge 22 uh cranes run I have a contract uh with the designer now hopefully tomorrow uh come out of commissioners will approve the contract to start the design of 212 Cranes Run which will be done locally funded. So with that being said, uh the projects I'm looking to get under contract uh for 2026 uh replacements are bridge or first one is small structures two 624 and 625 Harrison Brookville Road. Uh there's actually four structures on Harrison and Brookfield Road we're looking at uh replacing that under the small structure inventory shows that need to be replaced. Uh these two structures are the two structures. One is just uh northwest of Johnson Fork Road and the other one is just northwest of Herlanganger Chevrolet. Both of those

are box structures. uh we're looking at uh replacing those uh because of the mill and all the uh industrial work or commercial businesses we have south of there. Those two uh structures will have to be closed. There's no way to keep the road open during construction, but we'll try to limit the amount of time opening. So, we're looking at anywhere between 30 and 40 days of closure of Harrison Brookville Road, which is not going to be fun, but we're going to try to speed up the contractor's work. Uh, and that uh do one uh be able to open one under traffic, under gu or uh because you really can't get through one or the other than the people in between. Uh we'll open them once we do it, we'll open them on uh graable and then come back and do all the asphalt work at one time to try to save on a little bit of mobilization of the asphalt contractor. Uh but again, it'll be a tight time frame. Uh anywhere between 30 and 40 days is what we're looking at right now. I'm still working with the consultants and the utilities to make damn sure uh we don't have any utility issues out there. And if you know Harris from Brookville Road, it's a utility. Everybody's out there. I got water, I got gas, I got four, if not five different fiber optic lines that are running along uh that section of the road, so everybody's real tight. The area is tight. The rideway's tight.

Todd, are you allowed to detour into another county or not? You allowed to go into Franklin County for an official detour. Does it have to stay in Okay, the official detour is going to be Dearborn County, Route One. Okay. Yeah, we'll have to use the interstate. Okay.

Okay. They'll have to use the interstate. Now, the idea is to try to get this done next year because the state is going to work in 2027 on the bridges there at uh 52. And when that happens, the exit ramps will be shut down on Okay, just so you know. Okay. Right now we have State Row 46 closed. Okay. And it'll be closed this year and next year,

but in 2027, the state is going to redo the inter the bridges at uh 52. And with that, the the way to maintain traffic is they're going to cross traffic over and do some configurations and try to maintain maintain two-lane traffic each direction on the interstate so they don't back up traffic on interstate because you know what happened last time when they took the interstate down to one lane uh for the White River, Whitewater River bridges, which they had to, but the backups they had with it. But to keep maintain two lanes of traffic on I74, there's no way to keep the exit ramps opened. So the exit ramps will be shut down during the duration of that project. And that's going to happen in 2027. So I want to get our project done before 2027. Uh that's north of the between the interstate and the mill and everything else there. the other uh commercial properties that we got or what do you want to call them uh companies that we have between West Harrison and the interstate and we're going to try to keep that time as tight as possible to force that to be done uh be you know we're going to pay a little bit extra on it that's why my bids are where they're at because I figure we'll be paying a little bit extra because they'll be paying overtime to try to keep that thing moving as quick as possible.

So, is there a motion to approve the $550,000 out of 4916 for small structure 624 and 625? So, move. Is there a second? Second. Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. Opposed? Nate. Motion passes and that's out of 49 and 16. Next is your bridge 68 on a New York bridge.

Okay, that project there is an old bridge. Had an original uh deck overlay once before. We were looking at trying to do a deck overlay again because the old deck overlay has has seen its better life. However, when we started going in and doing our uh investigation of the actual deck itself below the overlay, the amount of patching and everything else was way more uh the structure the the original deck is in worse condition than we originally thought it was going to be. Uh they do have now some infrared type of uh machines that go ahead and do some analysis on it as well as what you do physically. And based on that analysis, we changed our design plans from a overlay patch overlay to a complete deck replacement. The only good part about it was it didn't cost us any more on the front end of the design. The design cost didn't change. So we used the we changed the contract but the actual cost that's why you didn't have to come back here for additional money for the cost of the actual contract for the design for the deck replacement uh was the same as it was going to be for the overlay patch. Uh with that being said however the cost of the work is going to be up uh a lot more because now we're doing a complete deck replacement. So, uh, what I'm asking for today is a $1.3 million, uh, for the debt replacement of York Ridge Road Bridge there at Guilford. Uh, now that'll be a closure. Somebody asked me, "What are you going to do?" Is that how you I said, "No, no, you're going to remember I'm replacing the complete deck there. That deck's not wide enough, you know, to try to maintain traffic and build half of the sign." So that'll be a complete closure probably for dumber

3 months. You're probably talking four months to five months. Which one is it in Guilford? The big one. The main one. The main one. The park in the town is going to be closed. The big bridge. Yeah. There's there's, you know, but it sounds they're going to have to you're either going to run the locals are going to have to run down BL up your uh CER or they're going to run uh they just got through doing that when they were working on one just south of us. Correct. They had to do

correct. So they did it for the year. We won't be a complete year like the state was, but we're going to be a good a good portion of a year for our project. Sounds like it could be a safety issue. I mean, you got to fix the deck. I mean, they're starting to I mean, you you when you get under that deck and you look up and you look at what we got and you know what the infrared showed us the deterioration, it's like, okay, you know, now's the time. If not, you're going to really get in issues of of uh possibly starting to lose structure.

Coordinating all these things with Mr. Sullivan as far as emergency response and services and whatnot to make sure when something gets cut off that we can change once we get to that point. Yeah, we have to work, you know, where we who's going to have to come in, you know, and cover territories. Is there a motion to approve the $1.3 million for bridge number 68 deck replacement out of 4916? I'll make a motion.

Thank you. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor of replacing um the deck deck placement on Yorkidge for 1.3 million out of MBHA signify by saying I. Motion passes. Your next one is bridge 221. The last one is This is LA County J.

Yeah. Because VHA substitute. Uh the last one is bridge 221 which is Davidson Road. Uh if anybody's familiar with that structure, it has an original structure and then because of hydraulics and flooding at at that structure years ago, they added a block structure to the to the to the Jameson roadside to increase the hydraulics under that structure. Uh but that structure started got major deterioration to it. uh to dead end road that goes back to

you know houses that people live on and now to do that we will uh be constructing a a runaround uh few years ago uh the county actually owns four we own four tank cars uh pipes that we have used numerous times for the runarounds uh we had initial investment uh was felt looking at ahead of different projects we had. This is one of them that we went ahead and as part of one through one of the contracts we actually purchased the uh tank cars and then when a contractor picks them up uses them for the runaround and then they deliver them back to us. Uh so we can use them multiple times uh when we have runarounds uh to save cost of instead of running running them from a contractor. we actually own and try to save on cost. So, uh this project uh 1.4 million uh for the replacement of the JD Davidson road structure. We are in the process I should have hopefully rideway secured within that not when I don't have the rideway completely secured but we feel we should have the rightway secured uh sometime by the end of September uh early October. So we hopefully project that to be let in November.

So is there a motion? Go ahead. Are these requests uh the the total uh project amount that on these jobs or what I do is I also add in the uh construction observation cost. So what I'll have is I'll have the cost of the construction. Okay. as well as what I project to have for the I got to hire a part-time uh testing company that does the inspection testing all the contract administration for uh or certified INDOT certified to do all the testing make sure that you know the contractors out there I don't have time to be out there design in it too no okay no design

the design's already paid for that's a separate contract and I I usually do all the designs through the budget hearing side of Okay. So it so you'll see in my next budget there'll be design pass for design cost in the budget. So we do budgeting and usually my [ __ ] bridge budget can handle the actual design cost but there's no money in the [ __ ] bridge because of the amount of money. Now do you come up with the estimate main cost on there or is the design?

No I have the design consultants come up with because he's putting the bid package together. So the consultant's doing the design, the contract through bid. Okay. So he's got the all the items the how much each item is and then based on the end dot you know bid specs they run they run the estimate through cost and the two structures on on H Brookville Road that was all part of that $550,000 both structures. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha.

Again and those are small. I mean they're not real long. Okay. So, concrete box structures. Okay. The key is the the amount of tear out the utilities to make sure we got the util in because they're going to be tight because on one of those structures, the gas line's going the gas company is actually going to uncover the gas line for us. So, we know exactly how far we can put our footer over towards the gas pump because it's it's it's tight. So, is there a motion to approve the $1.4 million for bridge 221 out of county general? So, move. Is there a second? Second.

Any other questions or comments? Those in favor signify by saying I. I. Nay. And you mentioned it, Mr. Lististerman, but I vividly remember my first year on council. I thought that the number 22 was burned in my head that there was 22 on those list. And to be honest, it was scary how much we didn't have our arms around it. And I feel like I know there's never going to be an end to this, but the last 5 years, you've made incredible progress on attacking it.

It's like, you know, it's a never ending. You know, we we're down I think if you count bridges, the ones that I think we're down to 12, if we, you know, right now, I mean, the four that got in blue, take the three blue ones off because one of those is a small structure. I think if you look at bridges now and you just count bridges, you're going to one two three four five, we're down to 12 bridges that'll actually have to be in the system from 20 21 to 22. And now because the bridges are getting down, if you look below that, that list now I'm starting to attack the small structures.

I have 100 bridges. The problem is I have 330 some small structure. Now a lot of the small structures Tim can take handle and he does uh we try to work back between which ones that he can do with his crews. Okay. And the ones that are too big for us do inhouse that have to be contracted out. So when we get our is it is it by annual uh bridge survey or however often is surveyed by annual on the bridge survey. Do we get an overall rating or for like no bridges are a different animal than pacer? Okay. Um I didn't know if there was some kind of metric that we could see that we were moving forward on on progressing on that.

The met the metric is how many bridges number of bridges are on the bridge replacement schedule. Thank you. a priority replacement. Will you have a pacer number for us? What's that? Will you have a pacer number for us? I can get I can look it up, but I don't have it in front of me. Whenever you come back for budget. Yeah. For the pavement. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. And and usually that's going to relate it to our community crossing application. Yep.

Which everybody knows that has changed in the works and we'll deal with that as we approach. There is a call in uh October this year that made the July calls been moved October. Uh just so you know, Tim gets uh Salt Fork the slips fixed. Uh because I got a lot of people ask why haven't we paid Salt Fork? Why haven't we paid Jackson Ridge? The reason is we're not going to spend money out there till Tim gets all the slips fixed and then then we'll go ahead and do the rep uh resurface. So what I what is on the schedule and we me and Tim have talked is Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge will be included on our application in the fall to to resurface next year after Tim does the slip repair on so

okay thank you very much. No problem. Texas Health Live.

Thought you were the judge. Now you're the health department. Everybody today a little bit. Um this request um they have a tobacco grant and the health department was able to write in a portion of a single medical package but not the full amount. If you guys agree to this is the portion that's not covered for a health package for this employee and they carry enough of the balance to carry this. It's all under 1159. Is there a motion to approve this request out of 1159? So move second.

Thank you gentlemen. All those are there any questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Name. Motion passes. Community fractions. All of the requests from the community corrections have went through their um board and the like the grant people from IDOC um and are all out of their user fees. Three. Yes. Is there a motion to approve the first three requests work for any corrections out of their user fees? So move. Is there a second?

Any other questions or finance? All those in favor signify by saying I.

Motion passes. The next one is out of opioid unrestricted 1238 for education and training $20,000. Is there a motion to approve? This request also went through the JRF boards which looks at all the opioid funds. It says they're asking for $20,000 in the unrestrict unrestricted rate unrestricted funds from uh the opioid settlement. It's approved by the board and uh won't the funds will be used to conduct training for all the probation officers in JCAP in a six-month leadership training and with consulting firm Gilman Partners. Move

we approve second. Any other questions or comments? Again, it's out of their fund. So, if Yeah. Well, opioid unrestricted can be used by several entities, but it's out of that fund. Yes. Any other questions or comments? All those in favor signify by saying I.

I. Motion passes. Reporter. It's the same ordinance where she uses um 12,576 for her um budget and she has to do an ordinance. So we have an or one of these signatures on Yes.

So this is a request as P said for recorders to be able to use the perpetuation fund for training. Is that correct? Training and travel. So is there a motion to approve this? This is not general. This is just funds that she collects. I think this is it for any trail or over time. I don't think it really really states. Okay. But we did this last year. Yeah. Just to pay expenses itself. First. All those Any other questions or comments? All those in favor sign. I

motion passes. Everyone please make a point of signing that. And then um 911 agreements with cities and towns. Mr. Bon disl um we did work on new interlocal cooperation agreements for 911 dispatch with the cities and towns. Um, as you're also well aware, cities and towns weren't terribly happy about the ask on on the the amount that was being asked of them. Uh, those amounts were divvied up by looking at the police dispatches and then um, taking that percentage and applying it to the shortfall that 911 has. Um, with everything that happened this year at the state house with Senate Bill one and what's going to happen with the lit um, process in 2028, the commissioners wanted to get our 911 dispatch agreements extended through 27 because everybody's going to kind of be going back to the drawing board in 27 in preparation for 28. Um, but then also they were receptive to the cities and towns um, requests that they be given a bit of a break on the cost. So what the commissioners uh agreed to do um was a 30% reduction from the 2025 level across the board and then no increases. So the amount would be the same for 25 26 27. Um the cities and West Harrison had already paid for 2025. So their reduction for 25 is being applied as a credit. Um Aurora's is they asked that their credit be split up between 26 and 27. Um Lawrenburg and Greenale and West Harrison are all just taking their credit next year. So, this would get um get us through 27 um and give the cities and towns a little bit of the break that they've been seeking. Um Commissioner Thatcher and I met with the mayors and they were

all very receptive and happy that we were the county was willing to work with them. Um and then I know Kevin was talking to Dillsboro and Morris Hill. Morris Hill's actually already signed theirs. Um and then um Commissioner um Bishop was going to talk with West Harrison and St. Leon. Um so far the reception's been great. Um the only outlier is Dillsboro. Currently they're only willing to do a one-year agreement. So I don't know how you guys want to handle that because everybody else's is three. Um for Aurora, Greenale, Lawrenceburg, and West Harrison, what you what you have is an amendment to the existing agreement, which will extend it out to 2027 and then change the amounts and then new agreements with Morris Hill and St. Leon that are three-year and again Dillsbor had been sent a three-year. Um it's my understanding they've sent a check-in um and a letter from John Watson indicating that they were only going to do 25 at this time.

So it' be interesting what their plans would be for 26. handle the spare. I I I don't know. I C Councilman Baker may be able to I I think it's still very much viewed in Dills Bro. This is just me reading the tea leaves that this is a county problem. Um but that being said, they did send in a check to cover the amount for 25 at the reduced rate, but they they had indicated they're not willing to sign a three-year, which is what we're asking of everybody else. I I believe that was their plan all along, even before the changes, was to do a one-year when I was on that board. We felt we would do was one year.

Yeah. So, last year we So, we had three years agreements with the three cities in West Harrison. And then last year, we just had one-year agreements with Morris Hill, Dillsboro, and St. Leon. Morris Hill. Um, like I said, they've already approved a new the new agreement that is for three years at the reduced rate. But to me, it defies logic. I mean, why would you not jump on a 26 27 level? Yeah. I mean, would you what would you hope to gain by not signing? I haven't I haven't talked to I I was always dealing with John um and I haven't talked to him about it since he sent the letter in. Um so, is this something that requires a motion or is this justformational for us?

No, you guys, these are interlocals. So, so, uh, council interlocal agreements have to be approved by the fiscal body for both board. Otherwise, they're technically have to be sent to the AG's office for approval. Um, so your three cities and West Harrison is an amendment of an existing interlocal. And then for Morse Hill, St. Leon, it's a new interlocal with them. Um, because they just had one-year agreements last year. Um, and then however you want to handle um, Dillsboro,

I'd say in order to move forward, we just handle Dillsboro on a year to year because otherwise we're holding up the whole works. So to me, it's hard to defend what they're doing in my view. But for the county to move forward, I think that we deal with the hand we're dealt and move forward for the betterment of the entire county and not be penalized by one entity holding out. So, I would be in favor of moving forward with what you suggested.

I just want to commend the commissioners for having the foresight to handle this when we knew we had that void in 2027 to get through and to extend these contracts, but even more so to look for a win-winwin situation. It was a win for the citizens, a win for the municipalities, and I believe it's a win for the county, for us to get into a position like this where we have good contracts all the way through 2000 through the end of 2027. So, I'll make a motion to enter in the end of locals for the the three years for all and the one year for Dillsboro. Uh, thank you, Tim. Is there a second? I'll second it. Thank you, Dan. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. Oppos? Nay. Motion passes. Do we need to sign anything? Uh,

or is the minutes going to be sufficient there? There's uh what of them? There's We'll be here all week. Seven of them. So there's seven of them that don't need to be signed. We'll be here all week and I'll have to get you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Auditor has a salary ordinance.

All those in favor of approving the salary ordinance provided by the auditor signify by saying I. All right. I'm sorry. We need a motion. Okay. A motion to the salary ordinance. So moved. Thank you, Tim. I was confused. What was happening there? I'm confused, too, obviously. Is there a second? Oh, second. Thank you, Dennis. Any other questions or discussion? All those in favor of signify by saying I. I. Oppos? Nay. Ser ordinance is pass. We need to sign that. I think everyone needs to sign that. So please stay stay in your chairs. Yeah. HSI. Yes. Are you passing it down already or? Yes.

And then don't leave. But the next thing on our agenda is uh minutes from our previous meeting that was emailed to you a while back. Is there a motion to approve those minutes? So move. Second. Is there a second to Thank you, Dan. All those in favor signify by saying I. minutes are approved. Uh, next on our agenda is German, but don't leave until you sign a salad or I got a question. Okay.

Uh, I've had several taxpayers come to me wanting to know how much the county has spent on the Dillsbury EMS lawsuit. And since we have an county attorney presently, why do we need to hire an additional attorney for this? I have no information.

I don't uh the outside council was hired um because I'm not a civil litigant. I don't I don't do I've done civil civil procedure I think my freshman first year of law school. Um, so we reached out to, we used Barnes and Thornberg for our lobbying and reached out and they had a Mark family available to work that on that with us. Um, Mark most recently represented the county. we were trying to that somebody was trying to drag us into arbitration for something left over from the hospital and it was in federal court and Mark most recently helped us on that worked on that for us and not us a favorable judgment and we've actually used Mark all the way back to um sporadically here or there used them all the way back to when we did the jail project when RQAW sued the county when they didn't get the jail project was that I think first time we used them. So,

does uh does Connie or anybody have any idea how much we spent on attorney on attorney fees for the de deals for EMS suit? I mean, I can give you a total, but I don't know for that specific. There's no specific accounting. Not for a specific. No, I mean project, you know what I mean? They have a bill every

Yeah, my billing is everything. I the DEAU case is not filled separately. Like if look down my spreadsheet, everything's in there. I mean, you're going to have 100 billing entries a month with the county and but it's everything everything's all wrapped in. If these dispatch agreements and everything's all on the same bill. So, what account does this attorney fees come out of? Commissioner's attorney's fee. They need not just specifically that right but the additional attorney fees will also come out of that

it might be because I'm not sure what but basically out of the commissioner budget okay that answer your question well seems to me like for paying the attorneys to not to sue citizens, you know, and this whole thing's is there any light at the end of the tunnel that this will ever be rectified or taken care of or or is it just going to drag out through court for years?

I mean, yeah, civil civil litigation can take a long time. And so in this specific it's this specific case what it is is that the attorney general's office has filed to judicially dissolve the Dillsboro Emergency Ambulance Unit. The allegation is waste. So if that were to be granted then a receiver is appointed and the receiver, you know, works to secure the property and and hopefully I think the light of the end of the tunnel would have those units be back in service somehow. So, so how did different county become involved in the attorney general's lawsuit?

We filed as an intervenor. Um the the commissioners uh wanted to have local boots on the ground, I guess you'd say, because the AG's office is up in Indianapolis. The attorney that um the Bills using is up in Indianapolis. And so the commissioners thought it would be beneficial to have the county intervene in the case. And so it's the AG's office is the one making the allegations. We're but we're part of their case as an intervenor. So exactly what what does the intervenor do or what is your purpose in their lawsuit?

Uh we're we're a party to the case. Um, and as of right now, all we're doing is the Dillsboro attorneys has served the county with interrogatories and requests for production of documents and those are being the documents are being compiled by Connie and Sue and all that will be reviewed and then turned over and there we're set for a preliminary injunction hearing. I want to say October. Yeah. 30th. Yeah. Thank you, Andy. Um, next on our agenda is adjournment. Is there a motion to adjurnn? We have a motion from Dan. Is there a second? Second. Everyone wants to

Liz and all the council members, I have to leave. Okay. I have to go to therapy. Good luck with that. Thank you. All those in favor of adjournment, signify by saying I. Motion passes. Uh, next on our plan for today is to have a presentation from Baker Chile. I'm gonna ask for Susan to please give us an opportunity to have about a five minute break. Looks like Yeah. So, we'll take we'll take a five or 10 minute break and come back as soon as we can.

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Yeah. Thank you. Sorry, we're running late. Citizens have questions. It's always a citizen. You want to sign this while you're in here?

Yeah. You got any treatments yet or Okay. Want to catch on when you file them back in to sign my papers.

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Did you get a new place up there? A new ski area? Yeah. Been up there. I've been up I think I've been up there four times now to work plus twice the visit in the purchase process. Max has been up there four or five times. So he might end up going up there for the winter. We'll see. Just for three months, four months. And yeah, kids. He still works. He's been gone for a while. Are you going to California? He was in my boys, was he? They played football together. He was That's right. Old guys can't hear.

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your place. Yeah, I was actually prominent in the office this morning.

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My microphone. I told him she was sitting next to me. She want the piss out of you.

You need to sign that. I did already. Oh, you did. I'm on top of it. Impressive. Leah. Leah ran me down like that. Somebody's missing from this one. 14. Who only signed the first page? Liz only signed the first page. Oh, there were two pages. There's three.

They're going Oh gosh. That summer birthday. They kind of different a bunch of them. A bunch more than three of them. Oh. Mitchell sign. Thank you. She's got

back to school. The kids start Wednesday. That's Wednesday. South War, right? Yeah. How many are they?

What's the board swing? You did not know that about you, Liz. What? My dad was having a brother. I didn't know that. My niece has a boyfriend.

Pretty high probability, huh? At least with that many know what to expect.

It's too funny. What do you think, Mr. Krauss? Let's get this [ __ ] open. [Laughter] Certain way I can do just one sheet, but has to be per fund. Thanks. Make it easy.

They did something. That's just blood flow going up there, right? Since he won't start till 10:30 tomorrow, he won't be up and make it cuz he's got to go that commission meeting. Got us to meet this but obviously tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah. Y'all have copies of this? You have.

Okay, everyone. We're going to continue our meeting this morning with a presentation from Susan with Baker Tilly, the budget for 2026. Welcome.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I'm Susan Cowan from Baker Tilly. I've been here the past few years, so I'm sure some of you recognize me. I see new face some new faces like this. Um so today yes I will be discussing the budget because of the legis things that happened in the legislature this year. We really can't discuss the budget without discussing some of the impacts of SCA1. So preliminarily I have some schedules here discussing the changes that are going to impact property tax collections this year and then local income tax a couple years down the road. The caveat is we don't know what they'll go back and change next year or the year after. So, this is as the legislation stands right now. Um, knowing that there could be changes going forward. So, in that first section, slide one, it looks like this. It's sort of teal colored. This addresses one of the bigger changes this year, which is they will now be phasing in over the next six years, changes to homestead property assessments, new deductions and credits that were not there before. Currently, a home is assessed on approximately 50 to 60% of its gross assessed value. Over the next six years, they're stepping in changes to standard deduction and the supplemental homestead deduction so that by 2031, no home will be taxed on more than a third of its gross assessed value. So they're it's decreasing net assessed value. The first question maybe to think is does decreased net assessed value immediately lead to reduced income? The first thing that could happen is you'll have an increased property tax rate. Likely if you're still collecting levy of a similar or increased by MLGQ amount each year but your net assessed value is dropping by more than that it's going to increase your rate. Increased rate leads to increased circuit breaker. Increased circuit breaker is loss. It's it's decreasing the tax revenue that you'll bring in on an annual basis.

So is a circuit breaker going to exist under this?

Oh yes. Circuit breaker credits are in our constitution. And so this this change basically translates to more circuit breaker. The calculation is still the same. It's still that no home no residential home will pay more than 1% of its gross assessed value in a tax bill regardless of what the rate is. So if a rate increases enough, it could potentially push houses that were not previously at their caps to or over their caps at least by 2031 or maybe sooner depending upon value and rate combined. So as those homes reach circuit breakers sooner, there will be more loss to be shared amongst the taxing units.

So what that will do then is deflect the tax load from the residential to the agricultural and industrial.

Well, we'll get to that in a minute because resident agricultural has some changes too. Agricultural's two more pages, but let's uh go to the next page here. The next page shows like a change of of what we right now know to be the assessed average assessed value of a home in Indiana which is $240,714. Right now you'll see in 25 that net assessed value is $120,000. 2031 we step down to where that net assessed value is $80,000. Like I said about a third of the gross assessed value. Currently it's at 50% of gross assessed value. So by decreasing that base, you're going you're decreasing net assessed value. You have less AV to spread the tax out over. The next page is a change in the 2% deductions. Previously, there were no 2% deductions. Up through the current tax year, there were no 2% deductions. 2% properties, whether that was agricultural, rental homes, second homes, um, care facilities, those were all taxed at their full gross assessed value. Starting in 26, they will step in a 6% roughly a year deduction to where by 2031, those properties will be taxed at 2/3 of their value. Previously, they were 100% of their value. By 2031, it will be 2/3 of their value. There's also been a change in the agricultural land base rate and that's so they're anticipating they're starting with a lower amount to start with because of that decrease in the base rate and then when you take the 6% deduction off that year this year it's going to create an even lower net assessed value than just one of the changes would have made by themselves. So basically it's shifting to 3%. 3% are the only properties that didn't have new deductions introduced, changes, credits.

There are some changes in personal property tax that are often this often linked to 3% properties, but the 3% physical properties themselves don't have any changes in their assessments and no new deductions for them. The next question. Yes. Uh De County just came out with new zoning where a lot of the properties are going from agricultural to egg homestead. What do you what do you see as you know which of these categories will they fall into?

I believe the egg homestead falls in the 2% still. I I don't know that for sure because I'm I'm not involved in that classification, but I thought I heard that those were going to stay because it's agricultural land linked to it's it could never be classified as um what they call other residential by because other residential would put it to the 3% property classification. So by classifying it as a homestead, it would never get flipped to that 3%. Because if you think about a farm, you may have an extra piece of property that's not really for a use, but it's not really for your home. So that was getting flipped to the 3%. If they can now classify that as a homestead, they could link it to agricultural and the homestead and leave it at the one or the 2% but not the three. So the AA homestead people could see getting bumped from residential taxation to the 2% from the 1%

maybe you per right I don't know it depends on how the county wrote it 6%. Yeah. So that they have the 6% deduction now rather than the the homestead calculation. And April knows eventually the uh over 65 circuit breaker will no longer exist because the values are going down so far because nothing will go over 1.2%. It will increase. It's going to decrease. Yeah. Over time as all

like Glenn said about the uh the the zone changes and stuff. Well, I went to a few of those uh planning mission. Maybe um Commissioner Thatcher can answer it too, but my understanding was if you had a if you were a farmer and and you had all or part of your property got reszoned to residential, you still pay the agricultural. It's a current use. That's part of annexation. That's part of that. I'm not sure if it's standard reszoning or if it has to be annexed. I don't know that for sure. I don't think so, Mark. I think

because I know that if for example if there's right at the edge of town and they annex a large portion of property for for an eventual residential development until it's built that a base will stay as at a rate. It doesn't get bumped to residential till it actually has development and it depends on if it's tiffed or not and what you know any incentives that have been given. So it's kind of not it's not really a hard and fast rule, but so that if if you keep if you're using it for agricultural, it stay you stay at an agricultural rate. That's at least that's what happened to mine anyway.

They call it mte, municipal taxing exempt. So if all of a sudden town A takes over a 100 acre piece of agricultural property, they don't immediately pay the town's rate for annexation until it's developed until there are services being provided like sewer or fire or water. That until that they're that mexempt and they wouldn't pay town A's tax rate as a part of their tax bill. It stays at just the the egg rate or the township or however that works. Um then town page four explains that this is personal property. There used to be a smaller amount that you could exclude an exemption. It will be larger in 27. It also removes a prop a floor on the amount that you can uh deduct. So that amount would be decreased in the future as well. That's where part of that 3% the 1 3% change that's in place because that's c taxed at the 3% rate. Um the next page talks about page five talks about the max levy growth quotient. It is

question on that one on the that says except for taxpayers in the tiff allocation area established prior to January 20 January 1st 2025. Yeah. If if the tiff was established before January 1, 2025 business personal property will stay at none of these changes will affect. What if what if it's in a tiff area and it's and they retif

I haven't I heard that discussion but I don't know what the answer is because they were trying to talk to the DLGF and work with them to figure out what that answer is find that out. It depends on how soon your your T retweld with the things that they had to address immediately and some of the other things they haven't been able to follow up on. We also don't have a lot of state board of accounts guidance on some things largely because there's change that will be stepped in yet over the next few years. So, we've heard the basics. We haven't heard all of the tiff and I'm sure they're working on that and as they know they'll release that information but currently I don't know what that's what that will be for those retipped areas.

Um back to the max levy growth quotient this year. So 4% increase that means your levies can increase 4% over last year's levies. Without the cap that was put in place by the legislature we estimate it would have been 5.6% growth this year. They say that currently 27 and forward it will go back to the regular calculation where it could be up to as much as 6% depending upon six-year annual non-farm wages. However, it sort of peaked in 21 and it's been stepping down slightly each year. So, we don't think it would be up at this 5.6 or 6% um cap by, you know, 2030 or 2031.

They've artificially capped it. They It's always been There's always been a 6% in place. You mean kept it at four? For this year in 26, they've kept it at four. They're saying next year in 27 it will go back up to the max of six, but we don't think it'll ever actually hit that mathematically. Um, but then who knows what they put in place because they've had it artificially capped at four the past two years and now added 26 in. Well, I must have changed legislation. Was that Were they talking about either over the next three years limiting even more? Oh, they talked about zero growth going forward. They talked about no growth in levies going forward, but that just got killed.

That got killed and um replaced with the deductions and credits and then they put the MLGQ back and sort of left it alone for the time being. Okay. Thank you.

Certainly. Um, starting in 2029 for the 30 2030 budget, there is a stipulation that unless you hold a separate public hearing to claim that max levy growth each year, your levies are held to the previous year. So, currently, everybody's entitled to the four the 4% growth this year. You added in your calculations on your DLGF forms. If you do the calculations right, you get it correct. going forward, you have to have not only one public hearing to address your budget, you have to have a another public hearing before that one to say that we as a county are planning to take the 4% growth in max levy for the coming year. I don't know why you can't do it at the same time, but you have to have two separate public hearings for in 2030 for the 20 or 2029 for the 2030 budget. So, I apologize for the print being very small. On the next page, we have 57 very dense pages of numbers that I pulled this out of and tried to blow it up as much as I possibly could. The Legislative Services Agency created estimates of additional loss due to changes in SEA1 this year. So, this is you. This is just your Dearborn Dearborn County unit. This is not the whole unit or the whole county. It's just you specifically, the county taxing unit. The block, the last block of three numbers there to the far right is the additional loss that they are estimating. And when they say additional, they mean additional over 2025 as a baseline. So I've circled that green number that 1,97 or 67, I'm sorry, I can't read. Um that's the additional loss for this year. We have allocated that across your property tax levy funds. So what that the next number means then in 27 there would be an additional there would be 1.2 million in loss over 2025 numbers.

So it's not a million plus another 1.2 in 25 to come off. It's it'll be whatever your base calculation would be plus the 1.2 and the same for 2028 and that includes the 4% MLGQ.

Yeah. Um it it includes that as a standard. Yes. So, this is taking into account any homestead credits, farmland base rate changes, MLGQ changes, new 1 and 2% cap property deductions, any existing property deduction expirations, lit PTRC, which you do not have. You do not have lit levy freeze. Um, any changes to personal property changes, and school, which you don't have, there's no school information updated. So this is basically when we get to the each individual schedule for your property tax funds, there's a line that shows your base circuit breaker loss, what we would estimate it would be and then the additional amount of this one plus million or 26 that we've allocated again across to come to a total amount of circuit breaker loss for the year. Before we move on,

that be in a separate line.

Yes, it's on a separate line. Um before we jump into the budget schedules, we'll talk a little bit about local income tax because that sk that changes drastically in 2028. The current any lit you currently have in place expires the end of 2027. The summer of 2027, you will have to have public hearings to adopt a new lit rate for the coming year under a new structure. Under the new structure, the county can adopt up to 1.2% for general county services. you know, you're currently receiving certified chairs, public safety, EMS lit, the jail uh correctional facility lit. So, you will adopt a a rate to replace those revenue sources for you for the county up to 1.2%. The county can also adopt a fire and EMS rate up to 4/10en of a percent. Right now, the legislation says that that is for fire territories, fire districts, and municipal fire departments. It does not clarify whether counties can use that to pay for EMS or fire service contracts directly that they hold. Again, that's one of those points of clarification that we're waiting on. We don't know if that will be cleaned up in further legislative language, but for right now, it does not clear seem clear that the county could use any of that portion. You would have to decide if you were going to adopt that and then distribute it. As a secondary step, you can also give it to township fire departments and volunteer fire departments, not attached to a government unit, but the the top layer of distribution are those territories, districts, and municipal departments. And it would be distributed based upon a calculation including square miles of service territory and population. So, it's not allocated on local on levy anymore. You know, currently it's a units levy as a percent of all levies. That calculation goes away. It's either by population in the future or population and a combination of service

territory. The c the county can also adopt a non-municipal lit. That would be specifically for non-municipal units like townships or libraries. You can adopt up to 210 of a percent. No unit can receive more than half of a tenth. So if you only have townships and libraries eligible, you could adopt up to onetenth of a percent with each type of unit getting half. If you have another potential type such as there's an airport, a county airport authority, um solid waste management districts are only eligible if they currently receive tax money and local income tax or if the county refuses to give them part of that. But those units have to come to you and petition for that local income tax. So if only one township comes to you, you as a county can decide I'm just I'm going to we're going to tax, but we're going to give it just to you or you can decide we're going to to tax and give it to all applicable types of units, all township units.

Okay. Do you well do you like say one township petitions you do do just the people in that township pay that.5 or No. So, all of the types I've just discussed, the county general services, the fire and EMS, and the non-municipal unit is on the AGI of the entire county. It's on all of Dearborn County. Gotcha.

So, you create that base rate to start with. It can be up to 1.7%. So, if you you can't adopt all of those at their max amount because that's 1.8. So, either you have to I don't know what we haven't done the calculation for Dearborn County. You don't know what the AGI will be then, but potentially maybe you won't have to adopt a full 1.2% to get the revenue you need. Or maybe you only have libraries and townships, so you can't adopt the full 210 of a percent for the non-municipal. So when that time comes, you have to do that calculation to determine it because at the same time, any municipality over 3,500 people can adopt their own lit rate of up to 1.2%. So I know Lawrenburg, but I'm not sure if there's other communities.

Okay. But I think there's also legislation that says that municipalities between 3500 and 7,000 can ask they can ask to be treated as the next type which is the smaller under 3500 municipalities. What would that be advantage for them to look for? Potentially because if Lawrenburg decides to adopt their own 1.2% they get to use the AGI of only the city of Lawrenburg. If Greenale does the same thing they use only the AGI of the city of Greenale. So they may not be able to receive enough lit to replace what they're currently receiving because of that. They may be taking be able to take advantage of because right now it's one big pool

from what's coming from the townships and the rural districts and the small towns. They may be somewhat because of the levy allocation supporting those municipalities. Well, they're going to try to figure out what's most what's best for them. Right. So if if say Lawrenceburg and Green Greenale go on their own, you then have the option to do 1.2% for the other small towns that is all the AGI except Lawrenceburg and Green Dales. So there's again some diffic difficult calculations there because the department of revenue currently doesn't collect lit based upon what municipality it comes from and what city that address is related to and where that individual lives. Then that 1.2 two goes say like Aurora, they're a little less than 3500.

If the county adopted that for them, that whole 1.2% would go back to Aurora.

If the if they're the only small town, yeah, they whatever that amount is because it would get generated based upon population. So if there are a couple two or three small towns, it would be you divide it up based upon population. Like whoever if one of them was 30% of the total population, they would get 30% of the lit. And what we're seeing a lot of times is depending upon again it depends upon every county but sometimes that 1.2% is creating a lot more local income tax because you're getting all the townships and everything than those smaller municipalities are currently receiving. So again you may not have to adopt a full 1.2 for the small municipalities to get what they're you know to get them close to the amount they're currently receiving. But again, it depends on whether those larger municipalities come and petition you to to treat them like the smaller ones or not because yes, I know there is that potential that they could do that.

I'm sorry, just struggling a little bit with this. So, if they are under 3500, they can petition to be treated like that as well, or is that 3500? They're automatically treated that the county would adopt LIP for them if the county chooses to. If they're over 3500, they come to the county council and say, "We want to be treated like the small ones and be included in the in the larger base of local income tax between 3500." Who would that would only be probably Lawrenceburg and Green, wouldn't it? Yeah. Or miss it like by 21. I was going to say close. Yeah, they missed it by 21. Yeah. And that's on the on the 2020 census, right?

Yes. It's based upon 2020 census numbers. Correct. Correct. So you have a couple years to think about this and decide what makes the most sense and see what happens with your AGI and what the legislature if there was some reason where Aurora would come to ask us to ask but there's not. So that's that's out. No they do they could they could ask to be treated like the smaller units if if they're under they're under 5500. Oh they're No, I'm sorry. They know they don't have to. Sorry. But barely.

Yeah. So if it because it the it currently says by the 2020 census. It doesn't say 2020 census adjusted for 23 or 25. It currently says 2020 census. So, if in the 2020 census they're under 3500, no, they don't have to petition you, but it's up to you to decide whether you to do to get the lift for them. Um, the total max rate can be 2.9%. You know, so it's possible if Greenale decides to adopt their own rate and Lawrenburg decides to adopt their own rate and you're adopting the rates for um the other items that you can, there could be technically three different lit rates in the county. Um it just depends on how that you know if those whoever those two municipalities decide they want to be treated as under 3500s then you have one rate that

and so if somebody's living in the county we adopt all the way up to 1.7 they're only paying 1.7 but if they live in Lburg they're paying the 1.7 plus up potentially up to the 1.2 additional in in Lawrenburg. Yeah. Yeah. So the 2.9 is a total max. Yes. The 2.9 is a total max for the taxpayer. Mhm.

Okay. And next the next page shows what your current LIT rates are and the current amounts that you're bringing in. So you currently have certified shares of 610 of a percent, public safety of 4/10en of a percent. The lit correctional and rehab facility 2 cents of a percent that comes only to the county 210 of a percent for EMS that only comes to the county. That's a total of 1.4%. You don't have lit PTRC. You don't have special legislation, special purpose lit. that is one that would m would stay in under the new um scheme regardless of whether you go over the 2.9 or not, but you don't have that one. So your current rate is 1.4 across the county. So depending upon what you do with the, you know, when you we analyze and get closer to that time, you can analyze what that AGI looks like it will be and what amounts would need to be put in place to satisfy individual communities and functions because schools I don't remember if schools got anything currently in Dearborn County or not, but they they don't anywhere anymore. Some counties schools got part of the local income tax and they don't any longer.

So what you're telling me is it like on an agricultural property Mhm. Okay. More than likely, their property taxes will go up, plus their lit taxes would probably go up.

It's actually potential that their local their property tax will go down because they keep getting a lower net assessed value. Even combined with a higher tax rate, it could push them to the cap. So, they may they have a lower base value to start with. So I think it's going to depend on a property bypropy basis whether all of and at some point over the next six years it's likely their taxes will decrease. So you're saying that the $2,250 on agricultural land the base is going to decrease.

It's decreasing in 26. And I'm sorry I don't have that number with me. I didn't look that up, but yes, it's decreasing. Building over here got a little over a million.

When we calculated everybody, everybody in the the 2% bucket, it's 6% off. And if the egg base is starting lower than what it was currently, so if it's not 225 now, maybe if it's even if it's 20,5 or 2050 or 195, they're starting with a lower rate or lower amount up front of base net assessed value. So the point from what we understand by talking with legislators, their point is that over time, it may not be this year, it may not be next year, but by the end of the six-year period, individual property taxes in especially the 1 and 2% classifications will go down. If communities need more via elit, it's going to be a local decision to put more taxes in place rather than saying they're they're putting the impetus of that decision on local.

They're pushing down. Yes. that rather than saying, you know, we've said you have this free reign, they're giving you all of these options and all of these different pieces, and it's up to you as county councils to decide what pieces need to be put in place to continue to maintain your services and maintain, you know, the status of what has been expected in the county. The state has been pushing counties to raise revenue by raising LS. Yeah. And less dependence on it's going to go get worse, right? Potentially. Yeah. So the legislature didn't do us a favor. They hardly ever do us a favor. No, but I mean

it's potent. It should be such that the one and 2% folks should be able to save some more money, but it puts the pressure on local government to raise the local income taxes to fill up any shortfalls to all all our coffers. So, we're sitting here both representing the citizens that want to cut their taxes, but also maintain the appropriate amount of budget to cover the essential services that we have. But, and as much as I hate to be in that position, philosophically, I'd much rather have government closer to home. I don't want whatever works for Marian County or Hamilton County to be pushed down our throats. I'd rather make a decision here in Dearborn County where we do have the blessing of a little bit of revenue from that boat still where we can say, "No, we don't have to do that here. They have to do that over there because they don't have that blessing, but don't force us to do it here." So it gives us more local control, but guess what? We all signed up to be the bad guy. And guess what? We get to be we're going to have to be the bad guy.

Still robbing Peter to pay Paul anyway. Just shifting it one way or

there's, you know, some theoretical thought that if you are using local income tax, all citizens are paying for services, not just citizens that own properties. Um, so there's, you know, some idea, you know, someone lives or as a renter, they granted their prop, the person that owns their home is paying actual property tax, but they individually by having payroll taxes deducted would be chipping in for the ambulance that shows up or the sheriff's department, you know, that shows up or something like that. So, it's there's there's multiple sides to the argument, multiple ways that it can be construed, but basically what they're doing is they're shifting tax decisions locally, whether it's this one or whether it's a wheeled sir tax or whether it's having to implement a food and beverage tax or an inkeeper tax.

That's what I was going to ask. What uh we seems like we've talked about that every year. What about the t the inkeeper tax? We have that in place already at 5%. It's already there. Okay. Yeah. You're talking about the wheel and search tax where they're trying to connect that's going to be connected to community crossings which that's the next page about the hotels and oh yeah we have a 5% you're back on page eight somebody come this says Decater County but the Oh shoot but anyway the numbers are different counties they are definitely your numbers I am so sorry about that that's we used presentations over we fill in new numbers I definitely have the numbers right because I took the big header off header one off that said Dave county, right?

Yes, those are definitely your numbers for four and five. Yeah. But the good thing is those EMS, those lits that we're currently splitting, when we adopt this new rate, we keep that all at the county. It doesn't get split and get Well, if it's under county general services, it's all county. You don't have to distribute it. I mean, you can if you choose to support other services with it, that county general part, you can. Um, but then going forward, the EMS and fire right now, like I said, I don't know if that the new EMS and fire lit can stay at the county or if it has to be distributed out to the units. But Glenn, for an example, like the public safety lit at uh point4. Yeah, we we share that with with other municipalities. Municipality and other units. Yep.

So Dear County raises X number of dollars, but we only get like what four three four million I think something like that. Orangeburg gets like two million. Greendale gets like 1.8 million, right? So the 1.2 in 28 is going to be a lot different than the 1.2 today. It's going to look different because you're not sharing certified shares with other units either at a max of five. Yeah. Uh we're at five. I think five is the state max, isn't it? I have to admit I'm not sure if that's the state max. I know that's a that's what a lot of them are. We're building some new hotels over there by the 270 exit ramp. Yeah. Where does that money go? That goes to

Convention Visitors Bureau. Convention Visitors Bureau. All right. I'm done. Well, this says Decater County, but this is That's what we just clarified. I when that header I did not change. The numbers are definitely yours.

The numbers are definitely yours. So, yes, you received about 3.4 3.9 million this year in public safety. Had 5.2 2 certified shares, 3.4 in EMS, and then 3.4 in your jail special purpose lit. So, as a county county unit, you got about $6.1 million and 25. The total distributive amount was about $24 million across the county. So, the other eight then goes to the other units for other purposes. On the next page, just hits some highlights on changes to road funding. You've already mentioned I was here for part of the previous comments on uh your roads and bridges. Uh the community crossings grant change distribution changes next year. They decrease the match amount for counties that are less than 50,000 from 25 to 25.

There was an amendment by Senator Maxwell that changed that from 50 to 55. So Dylan County now coming. So you are you're in under it now. Yeah. Okay. And they left it off on that seminar too. They said 50,000 on that that webinar that they did. I don't if you saw

cuz I thought when we prepared this we had the most recent version but sorry about that. So okay. So 25% down to 20. Um wheel tax is not necessary to get community crossings funding. There's however two separate dist distributions. There's the main one which you're automatically eligible for. Then there's a lane miles calculation which you have to have the wheel and sir tax in place for um that would be if you have to adopt that for the uh this year for next year to be in place because that would have to be in place for the fall draw or the fall call out I believe.

You know how that works? I mean if you if we adopt a wheel tax what how do we know what we're I mean how do we know if it's worth worthwhile to do it? That's the hard part is it's very hard to determine whether or not it's worthwhile because both pots have decreased. The whole CCMG pot has decreased. So, you've got a smaller portion that's going to be that wide open. I've heard an LTAP uh representative at a conference say that if you're used to getting 2 million for a project, you're more likely to get 1 million and you may not get picked because there's going to be tighter. They're going to be able to take less projects.

But did I think the money they they were talking about it went from 150 million down to 100 million. Yeah. Yeah. And the part B is where was the tax part? And and I never did hear any and I don't remember what they said the pool of that for the wheel tax part was. So, does that mean if if there's 92 counties and 50 counties got a wheel tax that that they're going to split up what that part B is by how many lane miles they have

if they apply for the ex if they apply for that portion of the grant money because there's also municipalities. Municipalities can have their own wheel and search tax. So, a county doesn't have to have one, but a municipality can have their own. So I think there's currently 52 counties that had wheel tax at the end of last year and 17 municipalities that had wheel tax. So they would all be in that potential pot. They would have to apply for it. And isn't that second pot of money? Doesn't Marian County have a big chunk of it off the top? There's a there's an interim chunk that's Marian County and if they don't spend it, it somehow gets put back into the big pool. But yeah, we have to be able to match it.

We have to be able to match what they spend. We have to have the cert tax and wheel tax in place to be eligible for that second trunch of money. However, they haven't they can't say if that's going to go down over the three years to nothing, how long it's going to last in that second trunch only available starting in 27. Yes. Well, it's it's for the 27 but fiscal year which is the end of 26 beginning into 27. So, it' have to be adopted by in 26. It' have to be active in 26 and maybe by then we'll have some decent maybe have some more information, some more detail. Well, you you mentioned about the municipalities. If if the county Dearborn County adopted it, does that mean Lawrenceburg and Greenale could adopt it also? If they have a population, but they go they go on top of each other.

They Yeah, they stack. So, you don't lose any of yours, but Lawrenburg would have their initial rate on top. So, if they you've charged $5 and they charge three, and I'm just throwing out numbers, then the tax would be $8 on a vehicle for the wheel. So, so the residents will be paying both taxes. Uhhuh. Yeah. And you can adopt the minimum just to be eligible. Yes. Yes, you can.

Um, one other change, it may be small, but for the motor vehicle highway funding allocation, you currently have to put 50% in motor vehicle highway unrestricted and 50% in motor vehicle highway restricted. At least 50% in that restricted. If the county has a pacer rating, the pavement quality rating of at least six, if you need to, you can shift that allocation that the requirement would then be 40% to the restricted side and up to 60% in the unrestricted. That may seem small, but a lot of counties are having issues when because on the unrestricted side or the restricted side, I'm sorry. Unless you're doing specific hourby- hour match to project work, you generally don't pay people from that restricted side, you're only paying for unrestricted. So, a lot of small projects, we're running counties and communities out of that unrestricted MVH. So, they've released that requirement a little bit and you can put slightly less. This is starting next year in July 1st of 2026. You can put slightly less in the restricted side if you need to. If your pacer rating is at a six for the previous year,

you want to know how many counties have reached that 6% threshold. There are some out there that are at six. I've talked to a number recently that are at six pacer ratings cuz I asked our county engineer this morning and he said he would get that number for us. I thought the last time we had a number it was four. There's a there's a website out there that you can go if you look up like Indiana Lap Per I believe. I can't remember the exact website, but it'll come up and there's a place where it'll say the whole state or you can then choose by county and look at and you can even get into the municipalities. If you want to see what an individual municipality pacer rating was, you can do that

if you

So that ends the information on Senate enrolled act one. Granted, there's more to it, but these are the most pressing immediate things that affect your potential budgeting this year and planning as you start thinking about 2028 with your local income tax. Um, the next page, so the next section again, we have a page one. It's called the schedule of assumptions. Just showing those items that we assumed going forward in the estimates that we've made. So, this top block shows is circuit breaker. In 2025, your circuit breaker loss was 7.1%. We'll call that your base circuit breaker. We would assume you would have base circuit breaker similar to that potentially in 26. However, because of sea1, that yellow column is the amount of loss we are actually going to anticipate, 14.3%. It more or less doubles your current circuit breaker loss. Now, the next section, number two, is net assessed value. We do not have the county's net assessed values yet this year. So, anything that we've calculated ratewise, which we generally don't put much of that in here because we're focusing on whether or not budgets can be funded, but your your uh net assessed value last year for the whole county was uh 2 bill832,819,500. So after the county and everything gets done, we'll have a new number um to know. So because you may have had some intrinsic growth, you may have had some organic growth in the properties, but then because of the new deductions, it may not completely negate any growth. It may slow your growth. You may still see one or 2% growth, but maybe not three or four or 5% growth in net assessed value. So until we actually get those numbers, we don't know for sure. When would you anticipate having those?

That's Connie said she's working on getting the TIFF uh neutralizations. Everybody's behind. They're supposed they're supposed to be August 1st. And we've heard that somebody at the DLGF sort of said out of the side of their mouth, if you get them to us by September 1st, we'll be surprised. So, they understand. Under normal circumstances, it's hard, especially for large counties, to have them done by August 1st. And with all of these new deductions and new credits and I understand software companies, you know, have had to scramble and put in calculations, those and those took some time because I think there were some problems with the first ones that they did. Um, so even if somebody's submitted them, they're likely going to have to unsubmit and resubmit them because there there are changes because of all Yeah. So,

so as we go through these other pages with the information that we typically use, once you have those numbers and our numbers or I guess estimates we're going to be going forward with, would there be an opportunity for us to have actual revised hard numbers down the road to know how far we're off

there? the the estimates technically we won't have solid circuit breaker till next year in May. That's that's the hard part. So we have to kind of go on those circuit breaker estimates for right now. Your net assessed value doesn't control the amount of levy you're eligible for. Your levy numbers is independent. It will it would affect your [ __ ] bridge potentially your [ __ ] courthouse and your CCD fund. Those are the three funds that are ratebased that are calculated based upon your net assessed value. So yes, when we get county net assessed values, we can go back and give you those numbers. Right now, I believe we have them the the revenue amount flatline for the current year. So that may shift a little bit one way or the other, but we can give you those solid numbers once they're available. It's not going to necessarily affect your general your reassessment or your health fund.

Thank you. Um, we've made estimates on auto XIVET supplemental property, uh, vehicle taxes that come in with your property tax. Most of your other revenues, we tend to look at a 2 to threeyear average. Your motor vehicle highway, we look upon what happened last year and then where you stand this year. We see don't see those revenues increasing very much, either local road and street or motor vehicle. We do not have estimates of lit for next year yet. that is statuto statutoily to be distributed by the 16th of this month. So if your lit goes one way or another, that's another item we can give you because we currently have the 25 information in there. Um we don't expect a big change one way or the other, but there there certainly could be and we'll we'll certainly update that. So we can sort of update this and send it back to Connie and she can distribute it to you and you can see the differences. Um for dispersements, we do have your 2026 budgets as department heads have submitted them. Those are the expense numbers we're using. We had submitted for 25 additional appropriations and incumbrances. So you have the budget and plus those amounts that have come in since the beginning of the year. Those will be included in the statistics or the numbers that we see too. Um we've given you just some general items here. Um, next is a schedule of historical tax rates and net assessed value. So, you know, currently, so we're estimating your net assessed value where the current 25 amount is. So, you can see based upon changes in levy, that would put your tax rate up a bit from 5.5167 and 25 to there on the far right 5361 for 26. again because of this additional loss due to the changes of SEA1. Instead of

bringing in more revenue, you've less. Um, next is just a historical summary of where all of your fund balances have been at the end of a given year. So, it was down at 46 million back in 2015. Now, we're up to 91.6 million at the end of 24. Again, this is all county funds from your annual report. It's not just your property tax funds. So over time as you've implemented lit and changes have been put in place you've been able to have higher ending balances. Um then we have the page just estimates of potential uh riverboat revenue. Those the amounts have changed somewhat the past couple years but they've remained fairly flat. So that's why we're estimating fairly flat going forward. And this is for all the riverboat revenue and the other I believe it's called doc city receipts. Um so again those are the things you know um flipping on to the next section is your first is your general fund the first property tax fund we'll discuss. So here at the the top section are is your property tax information line number one two actually I'm sorry is the amount of property tax we would levy for you this year based upon max levy the growth. So you also have some adjustments there for mental health county mental health center and a developmental disabilities that's been added in that's been taken into account. Your regular circuit breaker that 7.1% number would be around $81,000. The yellow line then is what we are estimating the additional loss is for SEA1. So total loss circuit breaker wise estimated of about 1 uh6 million circuit breaker in the general fund for 26. So when we look down through all the other types of revenue you have like I said we've flatlined your

local income tax. We've taken made estimates for the other miscellaneous types of local revenues because of that loss. You see that? And the blue line there on line 21, we're estimating your revenues a bit less in 26 than they were in 25. So from about 23.4 to around uh 21.9. So when we look at budgets, then the next grouping are budgets. Whenever a budget's been approved or an additional approved or an encumbrance is out there, we assume that you're going to spend everything that you're set to spend. So if you look at the 25 expenditures right now, they're at about 32.8 million. However, your 26 budget is around 25.3. So that's still out of balance. When we say out of balance, we mean you're planning to spend more than we're anticipating you're going to bring in. So down at the green line on line 47, change in fund balance is the the gap there. So there's about 3.39 almost 3.4 4 million discrepancy between the operating receipts and the operating dispersements. So you would be if you put this budget in place and everything worked out exactly as it is on this page, you would use about $3.4 million of cash reserves, bringing your ending cash reserve balance to about 11 around again 11.4 million. That's a 45% roughly operating balance. That operating balance is we take your ending cash divide it by your operating dispersements for the year. So how long can you go without additional revenues in this case with 45% almost 6 months without additional revenues before you would probably about five five to five and a half months actually. So that's what that's what that number in the peach bar.

So if we can cut $3.4 million from the budget as presented by all these departments and we'll have a truly balanced budget. You would be balanced. Yes. Or you decide are all the additionals going to be spent this year? Are all the incumbrances going to be spent this year? Is you know what is the gap there? That may be part of your assessment as well since the expenses were up quite a bit estimated for because you can see actual expenses in 24. I've given you 24 actual on each of these schedules. So your actual expenses in 24 were 16 almost 16.9 million jump. That includes that's actual. So that's not just budget. That's all. what you actually that's that's what the counties reported in their annual report.

So 25 and 26 are what you're planning to spend. You know 25 you've adopted the personal services line, the supplies to other services charged and capital line and then you've also approved the additional appropriations line through supple subsequent meetings this year and the incumbrances. So, um I guess determining what's what it makes up each of those are they actually going to be spent this year. That also is part of the the determination of where you will actually be next year. Do you need to cut the full 3.4 million? Do you need to cut 1.7 of it to to make sense? You know, what what exactly do you need as a council to do?

Some of the numbers she has for 25 were like I advertised everything out of general for today's meeting. So some of them might shift right. So you already the 1.4 for Davidson that we just approved that's already that's in here. It is. Yeah. Okay. 5.6 billion out of general but you've only approved 1.5. Okay. So then so then of this 5.7 here then that there's there's Yeah. So that's when you do it today. I can't pick those up that fast. Come on. Should have done it on screen I guess. Why do you So that's better, right?

Yeah. Yeah, that that does help. That does help. Definitely. Why do you see such a great jump between 24 and 25 in total operating dispersements? Well, if if you look your budget numbers went up for one, if you go back and look up at line 24 for personal services, you went from 8.5 million spent actual in 24 advertised 14.6, six. But then also like we were just talking about down on lines 28 and 29 there were additionals that Leah had given me that you saw that you heard all those bridges this morning that were advertised out of county general and MBHA

but not all of that got ac adopted. So again as part of that revision I could we can drop that number down to what's actually been approved through you know the middle of August and we can get you that those numbers back. So, I can't speak to what the increases are between the 8.5 and the 14.6. You know, if you look now from 25 to 26, that lines 14.5 to 15.3. That's not as great of an increase. So, I don't know if positions were moved back to general or or what brought that about or and two, are they positions that are advertised that haven't been filled? There's, you know, on personal services there can be a number of different things that can change what you'll actually spend in a year as outside of the budget of what approved. So the large portion of the difference is really the additional appropriations and the incumbrances at the bottom of the page. So those were things that were approved outside of the budget that was adopted last year.

Do you remember Liz? Do you have the number the adopted budget was around 23 million, wasn't it? Last year. Yeah, if you add the top three numbers or the top four numbers together, that's going to be close to 23 23 and a2. What I'm trying to get at is so we had our adopted budget, we had additionals that we accepted throughout the year, but then we also have the unexpended money that from each department's budget and those basically balanced out. We we ended up about what we had adopted.

What I'm wondering is if there's an easy way to say, okay, last year we adopted 22 $2.3 million. how much of it came back to County General because it wasn't spent from each department. And it's and here it's looking like about the same amount that we expended in our additionals offset the amount that fell back to the county general that wasn't expended. I mean that we'd have to know what your approved additionals were in 24. What the budget was in 24. That's where you get that gap. Um because I don't remember honestly what your 24 budget was if it was closer closer to $20 million. No, I think it was I thought you normally had the previous year's adopted budget. I think it was about 23 million, but All right, move on.

So, I mean, well, if you're if you're talking about 25, were you asking about 25 or 24? Well, I guess 25. Yeah. Yeah. Because 25 would be those top four numbers there in the 25 column under operating dispersements. Yep. That 14.615, the 1.198, 6.784, and the 46 461,000. Those were your approved numbers from last year. Yeah. And those are about 23. Yep. And so you were close in line to the estimated receipts of 23 cuz we have we know what your circuit breaker loss is this year. We know this year your circuit breaker loss was 766,000 in this fund. So the 25 county general is 23,57,000. Okay.

This year's budget out of county general requests are 25,300,000. Mhm. So that's those are very similar. It's the the additionals and encumbrances and how much of those are not going to be paid from is in that right. What in the 25? Yeah. Well, I think he's got one of those big bridges is in [ __ ] Bridge, but he which he can't handle. I mean bridge can't carry it, right? Well, I think there is a couple that are in in county. Yeah, I bet there is the one that's in Cune Bridge with actually Davidson who paid for today. And you still have $7 million in other services and charges. So that's probably some big projects in the budget for 26.

Yeah. So that could potentially there could be road bridge projects in there. Any other questions about the general fund? We don't know why it went from 8.5 to 14.6 in that during them years. I didn't do the detail. Do you happen to know if from 24 to 25 it might be almost I mean the the approved the approved budget could have been higher but maybe you didn't maybe if there were positions that were empty I don't know if something are you maybe in 25 did you move positions to the general fund from any other funds? I don't think so. Can you figure out why that's such a jump

that's big? Yeah, like I I maybe you need to go back on your annual report and I mean the the total is only 16.8. So the capital outlay doesn't look that unusual. Nor does the other services and charges. So I'm not sure what the difference would have been. Personal services is a huge difference. Oh, it is huge. It's insurance and everything's included there. So it could have there could there I mean you could have something budget there. That's not to say you're going to definitely spend 14.6. Yeah, but this 60% increase in personal services

had to go from 18 and 12 to 14.6. That's it's not the first time you did.

All right. Anyway, I just mark Yeah, that's Yes. Unfortunately, I think Leah's gonna have to do some looking for you on that one. I don't have that detail to give you that information. Okay.

Um the next fund then is your reassessment fund. This is another one that's funded by property tax. This one you have fairly sufficient balances in. We haven't suggested moving or any property tax away from this fund to general or anything of the sort. You'll have about an additional $19,000 in loss for the Senate enrolled act one uh shortage here. bringing that total circuit breaker loss to between 37 and 38,000. This one, the budget is using cash reserves, but you have cash reserves in excess of the recommended 15 to 50% guard rails in this fund. So, if you in this one, if you needed to, you could shift property tax away then shift it back. That's up to you how you choose to handle that one.

Why does it show like on line 31? Why would it show a negative $3.5 million? 31. What schedule are we reassessment? Sorry, I'm on I've already moved on the [ __ ] bridge. Oh, okay. Sorry. That's okay. I'll jump on the bridge. On which line? Page six. Uh, page seven. Uh, yeah. On line 31, it shows your ending fund balances is negative3.5 million because the budget that was turned in was $5 million. Gotcha.

If you look at line 21, you only had 633 almost 634,000 estimated the end of this year. This one is one of those ones that's controlled by a rate. So, you can't just give this one whatever amount of property tax you want. It's controlled by the rate for the previous year. So, we base that amount on until we know what your net assessed value is. $892,000 this year. It was $892,000 last year. Almost an additional $67,000 in loss this year. I mean, even without that, you can't fund a $5 million bridge budget. So, Okay,

you know, you've got about 2 million planned for this year between the budget and encumbrances, and that one you'd still end up positive the end of this year, but next year would be the issue. Next is your [ __ ] courthouse fund. This is another one that has a specific rate on it. So, we're assuming the same amount of revenue this year as last until we get net assessed values to realign um about an additional 31.6 million or thousand million thousand dollars of loss to circuit breaker. you would be spending some cash reserves based upon this budget, but again, you have over the 15 to 50 were recommended um guard rails of that ending balance for this fund. The budget's very close to being aligned, actually about less than $20,000 out of alignment. Next is your CCD fund. Uh this one is about this one is another one that's held a maximum rate. It's 0.033. 0333. We're assuming the amount this year same as last and then about an additional 70.7,000 in circuit breaker loss. This one is for capital projects specifically not human resources or not um weight salary and wage. So being a capital project fund, this one has slightly different guidelines. We wouldn't necessarily care so much about the 15 to 50% as long as you realize you can only spend what's available. you don't you're generally going to have project type things you know responsible for completing projects out of this fund. So once a project is done then it um doesn't generally repeat year to year. Next is your health fund. Another property tax funded department. um about almost $500,000 estimated property tax revenue less a total of about 70 to 72,000 in circuit breaker in this case again the budget is a little bit more than the uh receipts the

estimated receipts you would be using some cash reserves you cash reserves in 24 you're getting closer to that 15 to 50 guide rail we're saying about 20 about the 68% the end of 26 One thing I wanted to point out, it's not necessarily specific to this fund, but to the local health services fund, which was the health first a link to the Health First Indiana program. In 2025, you received 991,285 for that program. In 26, that funding is decreased by more or less 75%. In 26, you're expected to receive $265,000. It's it's barked in the note there at the bottom of the page.

That was our opt-in one last That was the opt-in one for the past. Yeah. For 24 and 25, you've opted in. And then when the legislature came up with the $2 billion shortfall, they cut 60 to 70% of the funding for these. It's down to 40 million. Yeah. 40 million total. So depending upon what that budget is that they've created this year, what they have available, if those are programs you wish to maintain in the long run, we don't know for sure that after 27 there will continue to be Health First Indiana funding either because it only funded it through 27.

So it's possible something might have to come back to this health fund or something might have to go to the general fund if there programs you choose to leave in place going forward even if state support runs out. about three and secondly that goes away. But again, this fund balance is strong.

You've got Yeah, you've got more than than the required amount right now. So, and that's a like I said, it's a property tax fund. You can shift money to it in the future if you need to. Next, we have your motor motor vehicle highway restricted. Again, this is 50% of the motor vehicle highway money you receive. You brought in basically 1.65 million in this fund. That's 50% of the total. We're estimating about 1.67 this year. So 20,000ish 22,000ish increases annually per fund. It's not very much. But then this one is largely going to be um like we said, this one's for construction, reconstruction, and preservation of road surface. Unless you're tying internal employee hours specifically to projects. You don't generally pay people from this fund. you can if you if you do that bookkeeping and keep people tied specifically to the projects that they're working on. A lot of times counties use this one for consultants because you can just put that one big consultant lump in there if they come in and do paving for you. Then the next page is the other half of the fund, the 1176 for the motor vehicle highway unrestricted. Again, we we're anticipating the same amount of revenue and this one is the other one because it's the 50/50. This is what I was discussing earlier. Could go to potentially 60% of the total to this fund if the pacer mainta rating is maintained above a six. Uh for this one, you are maintaining balances in these funds. I have to admit, I usually don't see this in county um motor vehicle highway. They're usually I know you have your sub your other motor vehicle fund that you use um from the riverboat revenue for a lot of for some of your projects, but you do have uh receipt balances available to both of those. Next is your other gas tax fund. It's your local road and street fund. This one is not to be used for personal services in any way. It can be for signs, it can be for trucks, it can be for salt, it can be for um any one of a number of other things, just not for people. So, this one we would consider a capital expense type fund. Again, you

have some balances here as well if you need to shift anything here. Next is your lit public safety fund. Again, we don't have the estimate coming going forward for 2026 yet. As soon as we get that, we'll update. At current, this budget is about $300,000 out of balance. You are running below the 15% estimated at the end of this year in this fund. Granted, you have to get through it one more year with the specific public safety before it switches to the county general um lit. We anticipate, we don't know for sure, but we believe that the directive will be that any expenses from this fund will need to be shifted to the general fund because that general purpose LIP will be deposited in your general fund. The state board hasn't told us that, but that's how they've handled other revenues termed general purpose revenues. They go in the general fund and then you shift receipts or shift expenses to them. Um, and

real quick on this. So, this is something fairly recently adopted. So, something we're pushing the funds out into the EMS. Oh, I'm sorry. This a public safety. Sorry. I apologize. We'll do the other one in a minute. I was getting ahead of myself.

Um, next is the statewide 911. This is the fees on phone bills that go to support county 911 call centers. These revenues we're not seeing increasing. They're generally staying stagnant or declining slightly. We are showing yours staying relatively constant. In this case, the budget's up close to $50,000 in excess. You do have about a 40% operating balance still at the end of next year. If over time you continue to use those cash reserves, you may have to consider um using another source of revenue to fund some of these expenses if this revenue does stream doesn't pick back up, which we're not uh hopeful that it will. Is there any discussion with the state legislature as far as getting money for this from the cell phone?

There's a statewide 911 commission that handles all of that. There is apparently a portion because there's a 911 fee on cell phones. A portion of it comes back to this fund, but the majority of it's used and I'm not sure what the other purpose is that it's used for. So it would be trying to get them to reallocate so that more of that fee came back near. They don't want to raise it for something. Yeah. There's also they have the the treasur has the ability through legislation to increase it by 10 cents I think per year. Yeah.

And they're trying to we we met with him and try and say we need to raise this. It's not covering our cost. It's not covering anybody's cost. And he tried to say it's something of the problem for us locally and not every county dealing with it. So, I mean, our options are get the treasur to raise that rate, the 911 fee rate, get a legislation, there's a there's a board, it's the treasur and the 911 board, get legislation to try to do that, which I think there is some movement to try to put something forth, but because it's been flat for at least 12 years.

Yeah. Yeah. And then the other the other piece is that make sure we're controlling our expenses with the 911 systems, which we've had some conversations with Hype Meer about that, which I'm sure when he presents his budget, I think his budget's actually down a little bit from last year. So, I mean, those are the three toggle switches to control that. But we could raise it locally. We cannot. We cannot. No, it's statewide. It's a state fee that the carriers have to apply to bills. But both Fasam and Maxwell have been in the loop on trying to push some kind of legislation to move that rate up because when they came to talk about it, you said state needs to raise it up a dollar. I thought you said

we would like to see them raise a dollar. Yeah. It's and it's I'm not sure why they said it's just you. A number of counties are in the same or similar situation because they don't want to raise Well, some counties have adopted have adopted a PAP lid. Yeah. to supplement the 911. Yeah. But we've never done that here.

Yeah. Yeah. That is the other option. Um the next one on page 16 is the lit correctional rehab facility or jail lit. This is one that will be rolled into the county general type of lit after 2028. So in this one, you're very close to um actually have a little bit in excess receipts from the budget this year depending upon what those actual amounts come in at. Um then next is your EMS lit. This one is at the same rate and brings in roughly the same amount of revenue as the jail rehab uh or jail correctional facility lit. So here you have some some reserves. I don't know if there's more additionals to come up or anything else with the the situation you were discussing earlier.

Yes. But um you're spending pretty close to the to this year depending on what additional other additional appropriations are. Just that budget was kept flat at $3 million from last year to this year. Then the receipts are around 3.4. And then we have your uh one general riverboat revenue fund. You have multiple riverboat funds. I know this is the the state oversight one. The revenue that gets here is here generally is passed out to other other of your funds. Riverboat contingency, MBHA substitute, parks, anyone of a number of other locations.

Is this one that you would also consider 15% of healthy balance but or because this is a so many different things. It's sort of a p you more or less use it as a path pass through. right? Bring in money, you send it out to other sources or you pay for specific riverboat defined sources from this fund. So the here it's it's not property tax based. It's going to depend on what you're bringing in riverboat year each year. Yeah.

And you you can only transfer out as much as you bring in. So if you transfer in a little bit less than what I've said here, then you'll just transfer out that much. So this one your river votes a slight you get, you know, you get it on a different time frame. You get it in different tanches. So, it's a little bit different than prop the property tax loans. We really concentrate on the five 15 to 50 because you get that property that tax twice a year. Yeah. So, if you're constantly going down to zero because you don't have reserves in May before you get your May property tax, you know, that can be problematic long term. So, that's why we like to see a little bit more cash reserve, especially in those operating property tax funds.

Okay. Go back to county general you looked down at the bottom in uh the first column for the trans. Oh, so actually that's it should have been up. It you know it's technically an expense but it went just to another fund. The 8 million then it goes to 14 15 whatever. I see you're right down on line 43. So it's really not all that different if you if you added the 8.5 to the six. Okay. Sorry that so it's about the exact same. Yeah. So it says it was classified as a transfer. It got stuck someplace else but it it's ultimately to pay for an operating expense which was so it's essentially

it's essentially the same. Yeah. It should have Sorry about that. That was confusing because it does get treated like a transfer to to the health insurance fund. Yeah. Yeah. I should have made if nothing else I should have made a note about that or pointed that to myself. It's Angie does but it doesn't it didn't draw my attention to it enough. So yeah that's why something will probably happen down here. So on line 43 that just went to another fund to pay your health insurance. Yeah.

So it it basically if you add that six to the 8.5 that's up in 24 you're very close to the 25 budget amount. It's pretty consistent. Sorry about that. Made it confusing.

Okay. So, one question I had like with the new legislation, it seems like when they talked about like county, the 1.2 and then like the correctional jail lit, we've got it at 1.2 which is I mean we've got it point two rather. I mean, but I think that there was some discussion in legislation about in some instances the county could only have 0.1 in other instances. 2. Is it such that every county can do up to 0 2 in for the jail lit? That's my understanding. Um well I mean because technically it's not jail lit anymore. It's county general services lit. You don't you don't have you don't have jail lit anymore. But the point two that we are

can translate into up to the 1.2 that you can adopt. Yeah. Yeah. That that can move it there. They're not all the same. Nope. So you just use them on whatever you need to budget. That's that's as far as far as we believe that's I mean you're still going to probably want to keep somewhat you know in line with what you need public safety expenses that were formerly in the lit fund those are going to have to get transferred over probably to sheriff general and we can see what that point4 for public safety lit is getting to be not quite enough. Yeah, it it wouldn't hurt to put a little bit more in there to cover the Yeah, sure. I mean, you can make you can subdivide your departments if you need to. If you want to, you know, call it sheriff, former public safety lit or something like that, you can

when we deal with that, I mean, we're we I don't think different county government's going to need the full 1.2. Probably not because we're not having to share it anymore, right? So, it's down the road, but I think we're going to be fine. And it totally depends on what the AGI numbers are at the time. Since you get to take on the AGI of the whole county, but aren't sharing it with anyone, yes, it's likely that you won't have to get to the 1.2. Right now, I've had this discussion with um Andy in your office and with Jason D. for some reason, we're one of several counties that abut. So, we lose 25% of our filers. we lose lit to the tune of almost $5 million a year,

right? And I know you've been working with the department. Last year, I think I went had Andy get in touch, right? Because you weren't sure about the numbers and but Senator Maxwell did some more digging and it's because constitutionally you can't double tax on local and so the state made us whole for years and all of a sudden they decided too expensive. They've been pulling it out. So now we're having to eat it, which I think is so patently unfair. Yeah. Because nothing that we asked for, which is all the more reason why while being forced to do local income tax is bad because so much of it's going out versus, you know, you're not the only county that's on a state border. There's Well, but it's all it's it's made all the worse when there's a bigger city across where people are leaving here to go work there, right?

I work out of state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So much paper has Louisville they lose I think a lot of Yeah. Thank you for all this. You're very welcome. Any other questions? Any other questions? Thank you Susan. You're welcome. Sorry for making your day. I'll get how much we spent today out of that 25 million. How much we spent out of county? Yeah. Won't that affect that number? So, how much I think they did they put all them Todd's request in that or did they

they were both in county general and well there was and can we find out what we took out of each so it will affect this number well 1.4 rich came out of county general the rest of those were 49 4916 which that river boat fund which you what was that amount it was 3.8 8 cuz she has that in this number. I think Oh, the ones that advertise that above. Yeah. Get that clarification. She did. She did say she had that in but she could said she didn't know what we were going to do today. That way that number would be lower. Yes. And we won't have to cut as much. Does that make sense?

I don't know if Leah's going to have time to do that for us. when they instead of cutting 3.3, we might only have to cut I don't know whatever. I don't know what the difference was today. I think it was she she act like it was coming out of that's what that lady said. She act like it was added to that added to that number, but she didn't know what we did today. Which fund we took it out of. I think we took most all of it out of county general um except for the stuff that the 3.8 8 that we bid out of riverboat that would come off because that was advertised I think that was advertised out of county general and 496

so that 3.8 would ever come off. Anderson.

Yeah. 5 million 5.7 she say that we should be better dialed than that. I mean there's emergency sleep repairs and whatnot. So Leah, is there any way I know it's going hard for you to have lunch and do this? Huh? We were just wondering about Todd were in both things and didn't one number she put on your additional appropriations. We got to get because they all came out. Yeah. County General today only approved 1.5 million instead this week. Okay. Getting this [ __ ] So that's a big effort.

But when I send them the information, they just see what's advertised. So they take it like you guys are going to approve. Here's no big Here's the reason why the budget to represent like requested million. You spent 3 million. Well, you need 3 million. Here's the 3 million. So instead of that one time coming in for an additional appropriation, they baked it in their budget that every year they're going to have spend. Does that one coming? Yeah, it didn't make any sense. I'm going to do this to plan ahead. Is it possible for us to bump everything to 1:15 so people have 45 minutes for lunch? Well, we got Dennis. Anyone did lunch with him? You guys lunch?

Sorry, I was three conversations at the house. So, we're scheduled for to be back at 1:00 and yours is here for 1:30. None of those budgets changed. There's no reason to even have to come. I think Chris wanted to come because it's his first time. Budget's exactly. That's why I'm okay with the budget. You can do the same thing with your if you don't want an extra $400,000. want us back.

We've got it all lined down. Should be in first time 22 and it was like and that was we were just feeling the effects of the the lists that were passed in 2018. And so it took, you know, because it was a year catch up before we started to reach loosen the funds because we were a million dollars underfunded on healthcare when I first because we hadn't felt the effects of the blitz and over I didn't do I'm saying they passed it took a couple years took a couple years before those coffers got replenished back up. So when we did the 2018 budget we did it with prior to having the lip receipt. So that 2018 budget

wife on there and she started laughing. Dana EMS lip is currently just getting distributed. We're not requiring any payroll receipts or anything yet. Is Jason going to get up to Jason? I think he said he does work. Yeah, I just they're not they're already at lunch. Wait, can we make a call for how long we're breaking before you go to the bathroom or not? She's figuring it out. 11:15 30. Well, let's wait. I'm going to go back. You say 30.

30 wills. Hey, choices come. Are they open on Mondays? You need to come to budget. They might not be open on Monday. Behind. We're trying to eliminate people that did not change. I already did this morning in the meeting. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Bye. Joyce doesn't need to come. I don't think Denny needs to come either. He'll just come here. Nobody be here, right? Yeah. Let me see if I can run up and find him. Usually he doesn't. Maybe Dennis can call him. Just tell us. He's close. He can stop down. I don't have a cell phone. No problem.

I do. Let me tell you come down for Yeah. Yeah. And then you guys can take an hour if you want. All right. It's up to you. Let's find out if we can.

I'm going to leave that run. Like I said, get that. That's why I told you they gonna be here.

He's set for We can do mine. Yeah. Um Chris is set for two of Thank you, sir. [Music]

Yeah. We called Joy. We're good. She's really not Well, it was usually, how you doing? every year.

[Music] You got one? Yeah, I had lunch for her birthday, so I can't survive. That's nice. I don't know if I ate too much or too fast, Jimmy. I got a stomach ache now. It's only get worse. Do you think that uh you know our conversation about having somebody they need to be here to represent like for sure like going up she doesn't know everything that's going on that guy should have been here in my opinion. Breath for lunch.

I wait till afterward. I just got I just actually bought a new one uh Thursday after work. So, brand new one in the garage. There you go. Let's see. We hit that just right. We made it early.

Yeah. So, Krauss and Joyce are going to come. Hopefully Chris is coming early, but otherwise we can just work on some other stuff. I just want two or three more of those cookies. What cookies?

We had some Parkside cookies for lunch. That where you had that where you ate lunch? Yeah.

That's terrible.

I know a lady that came back one time actually. She lived up there across from your mom there somewhere. Uh what the heck was her name? Uh um it was Isa Southern. No. Uh up the way a little bit more towards up towards the firehouse on the other side of the road. Uh Judy Belmore. Judy. Yep. Yep. It was it in his forehead or in his nose? Nose, I think. And I think they cut that to try to get that to heal down there. So they took the skin here. I think so. Made it like a Yeah, made a flat or something. Man, it looks terrible. Time to bring out the big packets.

Good thing he wasn't very pretty in the first place. That's what I told him. Friends like you guys, he probably agreed with him. Did he just get married or is he getting married? I don't know if he's getting married. I know he's uh that Jane his girlfriend. I didn't hear if he is. Maybe he is. He's just retired. Yeah, I knew that.

You don't want that one. I switched that one. This one. It's a sinker. They're all sinkers. Well, if the commissioners would pretend the budget, that made sense. You could get some new chairs. These chairs are nice. The one you're sitting in, not these. Oh, those are new. I was going to say this. This is a different They're new. Oh, very nice. Special. You want them? I never know which ones for which.

Hello, Miss Kim. Hello. How are you? Good. How are you doing? Wonderful. M.

Are you going to make sure that I was I can't read it. Is that a Samsung paintings? What?

The TV about that. I'm going to make you feel old.

Yeah. That's my daughter. Where they at? Shores. Show you St. Connie, resident IT expert. He drives for Todd's record service. Okay. I know more than I'm probably saying. Oh, yeah. It was awesome. My shoes off my cheek.

I know you're really old. Mike Pervelment. Everybody ad [Music] right there until Well, we knew they're having they're having a girl too. Yeah. I said keep them coming. Anybody else want water? No. Good. Thank you. Absolutely. And I didn't order what's mine already. When they get married, I want to go with your blue-eyed grandchild. You do? Yes, I do. You need me, Tim? I just need you to sign right there.

There you go. Brian or Glend, I don't care. I know it's you either way.

I must have you. That's good. Yeah.

All right. Which one? What are we working on first? Well, the next one is appearing is uh 911, but that's not scheduled till two. So, we're going to look over look over ours and colonies and some others everyone till comes back. place.

Yeah, it was Bill special. It's hard for me to go in there and not get good sauerkraut. a little bit of bite to it. It's we found great water. That's where we got That's where we got married. You're welcome. What you talking? That one. Which light? Uh, this is Norris. It's a good little weekend getaway. Much needed.

Was it last weekend or the weekend before? This I just got back last night. I say they had that Malibu weekend down there. Oh yeah. A couple weeks ago. Where'd you go, Tim? Down to Norris. Just for the weekend getaway. I was in Michigan with Boon all last week. We got a new dozer up there and he was pushing pushing pushing on our new beginner area and then got back. I got back like Wednesday night and worked Thursday and then the weekend trip. So he's up in West Virginia. He's back and forth. This is Well, that was Michigan. He doesn't sing.

Well, how's that one working out pretty good so far? A lot of work to be done. We'll find out. We haven't haven't been open for the season yet, but lots of changes going to be happening for sure. Yeah. Are you going to have to travel back? Yeah, I've been up there four weeks so far this summer, but Is it cooler up there than it is? No. Maybe a degree or two, but not when I was up there last week. It was every bit as hot up there as it was down here. How's their viewpoint was like 72 or It was It was stupid hot. Their runs compared to ours is for much smaller. Much smaller. Like perfect is 400 vertical feet. That place is like 250. Oh, really? Yeah. But West Virginia is a thousand.

So everybody thinks Michigan has good skiing. I in college I brought some but the lieutenant governor he wanted to go skiing. He's like we're going to go to Michigan. Like why don't you come to Perv North? He's like we can't go skiing in Indiana. I got to go skiing in Michigan. He took me to a place up there. I'm like, "This place is so tiny. We're perfect." Exactly. And we've got meeting this stuff. So, while Leah is waiting for that to load, we can look at the council budget. There's really no change except that Leah put a placeholder in there in case we can give raises for two, three, or 4%. So, this is up to up to 4%. So that's location 11. That's location 11. Yes.

So that's county council's budget. Everything's the same except for the placeholder. We would take the 2,000 out of that and put it into the 1217. Is everyone okay with moving that $2,000 county general? It saves the county general a little bit. Start chipping away at it. It's traveling mile. Yeah. What's the 127 fund? That's a the fund that Joyce has that we can use for training. Okay. Elected officials, county elected officials.

Yeah. They few years ago they expanded who all qualified for that. Now council is one that up to 8,000 now. Well, I definitely I definitely want to move it out of county general. You've got 6,000 in it. Want to just make it 8,000 then on council on the on the 127 very back very back page. Well, it says on that also 6,000 1217. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, if we can zero this one out, it save us a little bit. County general

and we can wait. We can we can wait till y'all are up.

It's coming up. Well, I might have it plugged in the telephone, but you never know. They're all the same. I do. Okay, try it. What are we going to do with you? Tim, you want to eat your words again about the it? Try it now. You're still the most savvy in the room.

Right now, my glasses on. They both have the same. Sorry, I think that was I think I might Need help conne all around there? Oh, what a pain.

Mark, what are they doing down on US50 down there between Roster Hill? Oh, they're just they're putting their own new curb in the middle of the road and they're going to mill and pave it all. What's taking them so long, you know? Um, well, they had a bunch of I think the state messed up on some engineering or some grades or something. So, but it's there's a there was a lot of concrete stuff had to be excavated out and then they they're putting pouring all new curb up the middle of there. I've seen that. Yeah. It's not getting finished this year. Yeah. I figured I figured it'd be next year.

He said they're planning to finish the westbound lanes and then open both sides back up and then finish east. Really? He told me he told me they'd be closing route or not closing but going down to one lane again on route one for more slip repair. And you know 46 is going to open for the winter and then close again. Yeah. Then it's going to open again. They're going to close it for the 52 project. Oh, a year ago they had 350 shutdown from Morell down the covers and then they turned around and shut it down again bridge. Oh, they didn't even do a bridge. Oh,

it wasn't the PL piece they did probably wasn't 100 yards, Tim. Yeah. So, we're just going to move that 2,000 out of county general on on the county council's budget location 17, I'm sorry, location 11 32300 Bablin mileage, taking the 2,000 county general and adding it to 1217 because it can hold it and then the rest is all the same. And we'll come back to the salary line.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We don't know how that's going to look out at all. And then the benevolent fund which is on the next page, fund 1191, that's riverboat money for different uh organizations in the area that we've funded over the years to help them with their mission. We added the adult center I think a year or two ago. Are any of these folks I know the lifetime resources girl always wants to come present but a girl we got each sent Yeah, we got a letter from safe passage. I gave that to you.

Yeah. And they were thanking us and appreciate the donation and the children with advocacy the same thing how much it helps with their services. If anyone wants to see the letters, I'll be glad to pass them along. So that's essentially county council's budget. the county election fund. That's only less than that next page where the seminars and conferences go from 6,000 8,000. Well, Chris, you're just in time. We can take care of you right now. Special treatment, huh? Yeah.

Okay. What location number is he?

He is 29. Are you 29? location two. Keep pitting this microphone. I said to Hey, so basically we're going to be looking at where your changes are. Um, and anything else you want us to know about Um, compared to last year's budget, uh, there's not really too many changes. Actually, I didn't raise anything. Everything's staying about the same. If you look at our payrolls down a little bit, and that's mainly due to our matrix. Um, we lost some of our senior dispatchers. So, we're starting from the bottom again with our matrix raises and everything.

Do you have any vacancies or are you full? I have three vacancies right now. Are you killing it with overtime now? Uh, yes. I got one that's really hitting up the overtime fairly well. And then I also have a couple part- timerrs as well that help cover the vacancies. How'd you find the part-times? Um, they are actually past employees that cut down to part-time. One of them cut down and he went became the director of Ripley County. Um, the other one she just recently had a baby and cut down to part-time. like the the difference in Warner that's because of matrix. Yes.

Can I ask your personal take on Pulse Point? Uh so the I don't know if this is the right arena to ask that question or not, but yeah. Um, so it was originally funded when we first got it. The hospital funded it. Um, up until what was it last year they decided they weren't going to fund it anymore. They kind of dropped all the counties that they were funding. They didn't see as necessarily beneficial. um the cost of it and then what it really funded was the true purpose of False Point is in a cardiac event to notify responders or anybody that has the app that knows how to do CPR

um to let them know that there's somebody needing cardiac um resuscitation and that's what the it was a pure intendance was for. A lot of people nowadays use it for basically just to see what was going on in the county. my myself and the 911 board, we kind of talked about it and didn't see it necessarily justifiable to spend the money on that just so the county could see what was going on. So, what are people on Facebook going to talk about? I know. That's what I hear. Yeah. Uh, so me personally, I didn't see it justifiable to spend that money for just so everybody could kind of see what was going on.

Is it like 8,000 or something like that? Yeah, I think that's roughly what it was. That's that's what I told people. I thought the answer was it wasn't being used for it intended purpose. And and we utilize I am responding as a big thing that we pay for for all of our first responders in the county to kind of notify them. To me, that's more of a justifiable option versus pulse point spending the money. Great. Have you talked to any of your counterparts in other counties regarding the 911 fund in asking their legislators to put advocate for an increase in that?

I haven't, but we've talked about it before that it's it's going to take the treasur as I left the meeting I came away with the idea that he is only going to move the needle if there's pressure. Mhm. So unless like we talked to other of our counterpoints and you talked to some of your counterparts and there could potentially be a change. Some some aren't worried about it because I know like Ohio County they have the um safety lit that help that helps fund their PAP

and some centers have that and then some don't. I think the ones that don't they focus on that being an issue. How so? How long have these vacant positions been vacant, Chris?

Um, two of them are additional positions. We've always had some in training, but they've never passed through the training process to actually fulfill the positions. Um, the third one has been open since Maddie u she cut down to part-time, which would have been the first of this year. And do you think that's a long term or do you think once uh do you think you said she recently had a child? I don't know if at some point she's looking to come back. I think she'll come back. I tried to get her to stay part or stay full-time, but it's hard with a baby.

Yeah. So, do you have any uh ideas on why you're not getting any, you know, feelers? Anyone wanting to not necessarily getting good applicants? Um it's a tough job to do. Nobody necessarily wants to do public safety anymore. I think that's a big factor. And then they don't they come in thinking that they can do the job, not realizing exactly what all it takes. Um that weeds out a lot of them, right? hours.

Actually, I think the hours, a lot of people like the hours um because having the rotation schedule like they do, a lot of them like it um night shift can be an issue for some of them, but we're upfront with them that you're going to start out on night shift and probably going to be there for a little while. Y'all work 12 hours? Yeah, 12 hours. We do just like the sheriff's department does. Um the only difference is we do eight hour days on Sundays.

Are other counties having trouble recruiting for 911? Yeah, everywhere it's a shortfall. Nobody necessarily wants to do the career. Again, it's a tough position to do. Um, we don't get I'm hoping to get a lot of from people from other agencies. Um, but a lot of people get comfortable where they're at and don't necessarily want to do the change. Yeah. The guy hired him in our office. No. Did he Did he pay a pay cut to go to your office or because it was too stressful? Wish you could get on date line, too.

Yeah. Relie gets done with it. He'd be crawling back to you. Begging.

Does anyone else have any questions for the press? It feels like we were going through some I think we replaced our consoles. We maybe replaced some radios. Do you have like the big four expenses lined out and are we kind of on a rotation with those so we don't get hit?

Um I don't see anything here within the next couple of years. I would say probably in about three years or so we'll probably look at phones. Um, a big reason for that is our vendor right now for phones, um, they sold them to another company and they are switching from on-site equipment to all cloud-based. Um, I'm not necessarily for that because it takes everything that you have away from you, giving you control. So, and our uh, phone provider that kind of services everything and digital, they're on kind of on the same board. They're not crazy about it as well. So that would probably be within probably the next three to four years. So how much would that do you have any idea roughly what that amount will be?

Not off the top of my head. I can get it for you. Okay. It's one of those things that my example for this is uh when a previous clerk knew that our election equipment would have to be upgraded within a certain amount of time. He gave us at least two maybe three years lead time. So we were able to devote uh riverboat money. We every year we put so much in to where when that year came up we would have it sitting there and unfortunately when Jared needed new consoles we get a bill for like $800,000 like I mean sticker shock.

So we anytime that you know that something you have to be you have to have the equipment that you need. Absolutely. But if we can have some idea that this is coming up in, you know, two years or whatever, it certainly helps us be able to provide that for you. Absolutely. Yeah, we can always hopefully really work together well for those kinds of things. I would like to say that I think the rave uh smart 911 is a good thing. That definitely helps out a lot too, especially if somebody can't talk to us, allows us to gain access to that information. It's very useful. And then just because of their caller ID, you can tell where they are. And

um so it reads the rave and the smart 911. It rings their reads their phone number and it'll give us if they have a profile, allows us to see it, gain all their medical information, whatever they put in that allows us to see it only when they call. Um the rave alerts too allows us to pinpoint their location a lot better. Um, and you a perfect example, say you get a call on the interstate, it updates every three to five seconds. You can see exactly where that person is on the interstate and which direction that they're going. So, it helps um the accuracy of the the caller helps us find them a lot easier. Is everyone familiar with the rave or the smart 911?

I came home one afternoon. There's a Morris Hill town crop there at my house, a pole bar. I went down there and asked him, I said, "What are you up to?" And he said, "We had a 911 emergency call from a half mile behind your house." And they pinpointed it that close. Mhm. Where that call actually came from. It surprised me. Yep. Who was it? It was made to call. They never did it. Yeah. Yeah, we can pinpoint it pretty accurately that say on your property if you're out in your barn and call, we can say boom, they're in this building right here. And Don County has the ability to for texting.

Yep. We can text the whole I think Ohio was just now looking at doing Yeah. Indiana was one of the very first um states to do text from 911. We were the very first statewide to do it and then we were one of the top five to go completely to and from 911. That's awesome because if someone's in a place where they really can't talk Yep. then gives them that security about that. I think a lot of people don't aren't aware of it. But it's a good service. Absolutely. Does anyone have any questions or anything else they need from Chris? Then I guess we're good. But like I say, if it's a two-way street, if you'll help us to absolutely help you, then we can work together. Absolutely. Thank you.

First budget. Good. Yeah. Not too bad. Thank you. I take a deep breath and I walk out the door. That was the last scheduled one for today. Really? The last scheduled one to appear. We can look at location seven, but surveyor.

Yes, I was just saying let's look at let's look at location seven and then we'll look at reporters. Okay. So, Dennis has absolutely no changes in his county general. Um, but that said with MS4, he may be coming for additionals from time to time, but his Yeah, no changes in anything. County general didn't change. Nothing. Perpetuation didn't change.

November. Oh, really? Okay. Can you pay for that? Can you pay for that?

How come there's a different sentence? First deputy and then a speaker. He gets an additional out of that other fun. He gets it from Bonnie also, doesn't he? Yeah, we better we better keep him. Yeah, he gets some money out of corner graduation. Didn't he buy that copyright out of that? Maybe a portion. She was just saying, you know how you cut juvenile down app. She advertised that all you could give him money out of county general. Well, even the washer and dryer put in cap zero out from the budget. that it's popular and he wants

and he said he just okay do you know how much I can't just and you can add that to his list what's that county general that way it's being one additional Yeah, already done this.

You can do that today. Okay. So, while Conniey's Are you going to call Connie or just Okay. Is everyone good with that? Yeah. He said the other thing we need to do is the was it the clerk? He's right ahead of him. 05.

He's just saying too. It's probably one reason they didn't need to come. So, what what's kicking this up? 300 $3 million. Is there some big Well, there's a what 500,000 on county general u for the raises. And then I think Todd has that that was I think it was 3 315. Was it 3 something in our budget? Yeah, it's 315. Was it three? Yeah, that's right.

Okay. Then um Juno has two new uh positions. It also has part time going from three 30,000 to 100,000. There's a bunch of them. There's a bunch. There's probably at least 300,000 or so in the juvenile center. Um I think there's some in Todd's either Todd's or Tims. Tim's kids. Well, usually yes, chief budget changes. So, it's 40%. Okay.

So, that was location seven. So, what I was saying, uh, Tim, I didn't I didn't see three million in her changes. Maybe it is. How much did you say? He did go up 1.1 million in county general for uh Tim did well that's what is that flat top and

asphalt how much was that copy 4300 it was 4250 but we you So I'm playing zoning. Did you take their colas down? I did not. Are we done with your quarter? Sorry, we're bouncing around a little bit. Yeah, we are bouncing around a whole lot. Um I think we're location five. Is everyone done? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see anything on location five that we've missed? Huh? No, just

so we're trying to figure out where that huge number that um Susan alluded to is coming from. A huge jump.

Um there's the extra across here. That's quite a bit. Yes. about 500. A little over 500. The prosecutors 400,000 to 1.5. location 51 community across. So they took community from a million to 750 million. So, if we want to all be on the same page, um, do we want to look at highway first before we deal with them on I think Wednesdays when they come? Y'all want to look at highway first like just get a a feeling for it? Location 51 is his first budget. He asked county general. That's essentially riverboat money that's devoted to highway. He went from last year's budget

was 2.7 and this year he's asking for 3.5 like Leah said 2 minutes went from 400,000 to 1 and a.5 million and then community crossings he did reduce that but as I understand it it's only 20% is what we have to match. My philosophical position is I'm I'm glad Senator Maxwell change helped with that uh verbiage and and bubbling from 50 to 55. So we don't have to do a 100% match, but as long as we are in financially in a position to do so, I'd like to keep funding it at the as if we had to do the 50% match. And and I mean, we're clearly prioritizing roads and bridges. We've been doing that and everything that we've done. But I think we want to continue to send the message that as long as we're healthy, we continue to match at that level. Well, the the only thing that that I see is that if uh if we're matching 20% if the if the state were to do as much as $3 million, which is unlikely, they're I think the most they're going to do for community crossings, and I have no inside information, it's just my gut. I think the most they're going to do in the next call is a $2 million. So then the match would only be $400,000. If they did three million again, the match is 600,000. So why would you budget 700?

Well, I guess yeah, um it can't be in the community crossings line item, but I guess I'm saying keep throwing that same amount of money, applying that same amount of money to roads and you know, I mean that this as if we did have to do a full match. Well, what I would do is I would take that that difference, which is only $150,000 in the overall scheme of big big numbers like highway is. I mean, if you take the batumis from last year at 400,000 and put that 150 toward batuminous, I mean, I certainly would knock that million and a half down. I mean, to me, basically, until we have more solid numbers here, we're not doing so well for 26. I mean what what Susan gave us today which hopefully will change to our our favor especially the lit I don't think I mean I don't know for sure but I don't think the property taxes is likely to go in our direction in a favorable way there's I think there's more potential that the lit which we do have a certified shares bucket which is county general so there's a potential of additional monies because she had it flat that. So to me, that's the only place where I see us being logically able to hope that there's going to be an increase and not I mean, she's showing a decrease.

It definitely shows a a deficit for 26, right? So we're we're digging out of a a pretty steep hole. I mean, even if you were to stay even with last year, you're way behind. You'd have to put a whole bunch of riverboat just to stay even with 25. Is that the justification though for going from 400 to 1.5 is because of the slip? He thinks it's going to be less community crossings money per pavement.

Well, we can ask him that when he comes here, but I just I just want to kind of flag this. I just feel like I know that bridges are expensive and I know we've got a lot of slips and we've got a lot of roads that need still need work and yada yada, but there's also limits to how much we can I feel that I would feel comfortable with. I mean, you don't want to budget yourself down to where you just have pennies in the bank. Sure.

We won't know. we won't know anything about well during this whole week I don't think we're going to have any additional hard numbers from the state on lip or anything else so we're kind of flying blind but if I were to be optimistic about anything it would be potentially on the certified shares but not not by more than like maybe $300,000 or so from 24 to 25 certified shares going up about $600,000 and she shows it flat from 25 to 26. So if it went up by 600,000 again, then there's 600,000 of additional monies, but a loss of 800,000 from property taxes. So you're still in a negative for 200. So I have a hard time uh with doing highway for million and a half in two minutes. I would almost rather do a March meeting and we have like he he know he can't pave in the winter time anyway. I mean 26 will start in January. They can't do any of that kind of work. So he could we could have a March meeting and if he knows that he's got this this and this and we decide that okay we need to have this money in place so that you can get it done as soon as the weather breaks I'd rather meet in March and have a better feel for where we actually are than I think his his deal was he wants to get his you know I mean first come first serve out there with you would know that We'll get her done one way or the other.

I didn't know if like black top is a hot commodity.

One thing the one thing that I would say about county general or Susan shows us that having a a balance after all this is done said and done. That's prebudget cuts and changes because of what we did this morning. she shows us as having an ending balance of 11,000 11 million $391,000. Keep in mind that 5.8 million of that is from High Point Health. That's not anything that the county generated from taxpayers. There's that's the that's hospital money that has never been moved from county general to rainy day. So, it's it's artificially to me it's artificially hot. You can add back in that 1.4 from Davidson. Well,

but we did that out of county general, so we But that was advertised in this. Yeah, but she said she included it in the number, right? Yeah. you got like so instead of cutting the we really be adding in about 3 million more back into whatever came out of the matuminous would go back into this general you know but even if you doubled that number you're saying it's 700,000 on on Todd's request of 1.5 Five.

So Leah on paperwork from Baker Tilly on page five total operating dispersements. How would you change that? Could that 5.7 where it's under additionals really only be probably two? It's only two. Yeah. because that's she had just had my figures on everything that's advertised. So, right. So, if you advertise it out of two funds, she put it in two. Yeah. We didn't spend it out of that fund, right?

No, you did not. Earlier this year, if it's less than 100 grand, you guys 14 instead of 125. So, it' be less than two million. So, line 50 would be more like 16 million. Is that right?

Like 168 say and therefore that 11 million is actually closer to 13.3 without changing anything else. and that's with as budgets are submitted without any changes.

Yeah. It kind of sounds like you think that the batum east got out of county general which is essentially river boat money that we are uh putting into highway correct I mean if you we give him so much money out of that small river boat fund so that's where this is most of this is coming from I mean it's from all river all county general but I mean that's where I kind of compartmentalize what we're doing Right.

That's from the state. They they asked for the lease. He got crossing money like a lot of in 25 but he's carrying forward years past as well. But I don't know how they're like he has to have it in a previous year or I don't know how that actually right you can encounter people something something there he's always something

I show that what he expected to do with community crossings in 25 was east east law west and east lry soap Hill in St. computers. That's all going right now. Is is being paid now. Well, either done or getting done. It is in process. So, that money is probably already out the door to pay for this.

Moved money like because it's 5050 now. The state sent us like 985,000. I've moved 985,000 over already and there's still 1 point I'm trying to get this thinking there's 1.6 million still sitting there in community crossings. How can that be? Was it because we didn't do Salt Fork and we switched over?

No. No. Because he he changed the roads. He was previously going to do Salt Fork and 25, right? So because of the detour he changed it from Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge to East Law three West and East Law three Soap Hill St. Pete's. That's what he's requested for 25. Gotcha.

And then for 26 he's going to request from community crossings the funding from um for Salt Fork and Jackson Ridge from community crossings. And if our match is 20%, if they if they if the state does three million, which they've only done last for four, they only did two for the longest. If they do 3 million, 20% of that is $600,000. If he's sitting on 1.6, six.

If the the numbers are equal to the to the cut they made, that's what it would be is 2 million instead of 3 million because it went from 150 to to 100 million. So, it's 2/3 of what it was before. I think that's how they made that second pot. Uh looking at the highway department the second page there fund 127 looks like he's got supplementary supplemental salaries in you that just it's a placeholder for all of you all of them well ones that weren't you would have been out high enough to do anything in it. I gotcha. So this total bottom line has a cola in it already.

Where are you? Well, I was on the second page, location 127 from the highway department. That's the 48,000. Yeah. And so Leah was saying she put that supplemental salaries line in every budget. So there's instead of I we I thought historically we always asked them to leave that zero so we can add it on the end, but Leah is saying she put a line item in there so it would be in the budget. So I didn't, right? So this this overall budget at the bottom of the highway page of the 25 million versus 23 which was last year that's already got the cola in it of 4%. That's only 48,000 of it, right? 48,000.

Well, no of that line. No, this this is 25 million is the overall. This is the last page. No, I got you. Yeah, that's with everyone getting their coals. I did not 25 million. You put it in our budget, too, didn't you? Yeah, that yours is for every county general. Yeah, but like if somebody like planning and zoning put in 3%, I took it back down to 25's amount and put a placeholder for What about you put a placeholder for 4%. Yes. just in case I can go.

Well, yeah, we need to see if Tim has something in mind for this matuminous fund or yeah, if he's just putting it there because in the 2000 that's that category, he can move the money around. You can move from puminous to gasoline or whatever.

You're talking about what 51, right? Yes. In Yeah. Right now I just come up. There's still 1.64 million sitting community crossings after I've already moved the 1.3 million for 25's project. So I don't know what was that just the timing of getting something back. He go ask answer his question first. I'm sorry I'm interrupting. No, I didn't know if that was just because we got the the states part back and the timing just happened. The state when I get the states portion they want to see it separate. So I received it somewhere else and then I just we are half in there with their so

so it doesn't even hit this fun. Can you tell can you tell the history of because crossings is only what five years old or something can you tell like started that welcome started it when he became in office year one really okay I don't know money every year because you guys budgeted a million bucks for 25 he carried forward two million from last year into this year from community costing for that yeah he moved money around carried so what you're saying is the 1.64 64 that's sitting in there is actually county general monies that was match monies. So this is county money and every year I have moved exactly what the state has said. So the projects are getting done if we move

sometimes the projects can be 900 our share can be 963,000 or whatever. Yeah. So I don't know. So he's carrying forward. I mean I wonder how many years it took him to get up to 1.6. How do we know? I mean over eight years over eight years to 25. So 200,000 times 8 years would be 1.6 million. Yeah. I don't think you're allowed to do that. Well, no. We're talking about county. Oh, county. No, the state the state will grab back.

But we're putting it in that line to be He's not whatever whatever we over budgeted he's not putting it back in county general. He's he's keeping in that little he's got it in his his he's calling it community crossing but it's really not community crossing but he can't access that can he without I don't let him use the community crossing unless you know split he can move like last year he moved money into that fund at the end of the year you transfer What location is that? 51. The community crossings portion is it's down.

Oh, I see. Yeah. 329. Got it. And 25 be extended like 1 357. The year before that 937. So I guess if you put 63,000 more from one year and 180,000 from a different year and whatever you can over a period of time accumulate 1.64 million but he's not able to get that out of that box that Le

but we cannot fund it this year and then he can you we can use that right? If he's requesting 750,000 for this year, can we not fund that and let back it because there's no way you use that much in a match anyway, right? What would it take for us, I mean, for clean accounting? What would it take for us to zero out that account? Leave leave a community crossings in the budget. So, there's a placeholder and we're budgeting so much, but release that money back into county general because that's where it came from. You can cover it. It doesn't take like an I mean no ordinance or what?

We're telling we're telling the county engineer that the auditor's office is going to whatever fund you got that in is going to zero it out and we're going to start a fresh and for 26 we're going to approve 600 or 750,000. And I think 600's. Well, 600,000 would get you to 3 million on the match. That's what I'm saying. If we've got a 20% match, if the C if the state does as much as 3 million, which is unlikely, if the state does as much as 3 million, our match is only 600,000. The most you're going to probably need 400,000. Exactly. Exactly. And that's why I've got 20% 400,000 question mark,

which would be twothirds of what they've done in the past. Yeah. I don't think they're going to do three million. So if and not every county they're saying that community crossings because they've lowered that for counties and for municipalities from 25 to 20%. I thought money roll back to county general so it wasn't spent. If you encumber it it's not and like I said he's always got a project going on. So he could say hey I'm doing it for bridge something something then he might use something else. I mean I mean it just keeps rolling. 22 into 23 he carried forward a million. Like every year he's how much? A million. Squirreling it away. It is. Yeah. But he cannot he cannot get into that unless we got the fund from

No, no, no. What I'm saying like he cannot just tell Leah, I need you to transfer the money from here from that to this other for this project. Or can he? He would only within that general budget which is Tim's. Tim would never tell me to put it in or he'd have to get your permission. Yeah. Because it's Todd's bad. I think we I think we zero it out. I mean, I think for pure accounting purposes, it ought to be zeroed out. That's not the true budget. It's just Well, I think it needs I mean, I don't even care if they do a bridge with the $1.6 million. I don't really care about that. 1.6 million.

Does that Does that lady know about that that money that came? She sees it as an incumbrance. So, it's included in this incumbrances. She thinks it's money that's earmarked to to be spent and they have to take it like all that's going to be spent. So that's another part of the reason why we have so much right this so much. Yeah. Well, what's the consensus here? So you're saying basically for 26 budgeting 750,000. I'm saying 600,000. 600,000 and then take 1.6 6 million and put it back in county general. I think so. So all he's got right now he's got $1.6 million rat hole.

Yeah. For whatever he wants it for because we he has you can only use it for community crossings projects. We we paid for 25. Yeah. You're only going to need $400,000. And we can only we can only Yeah. We only have to put 20% in now, right? So if it's a $2 million project, that's four 400,000, right? Well, if you're looking at $750,000, that'd give you what? Almost $4 million. The state's not, but you can't get that much. They've never done more than three million. So 750, I don't know where he got that. I think he was thinking it was going to be a 25% match, but it's 20. And let's just do a roll call. I mean, as far as zeroing that out,

zero, zero it out. Zeroing it out. Yeah. Yeah. So then we need to tell Mr. Lististerman that we are zeroing out that account. Know it. Oh, he knows. He knows. He's a squirrel. He's a squirrel. Not to say bad. I can tell you what the girls told me when I first went in. Oh, come on. Recorders office. Leah knows it. Yeah, this is live stream. They said when he comes in here, don't let him stand stand right over top of us and scratch himself all the time.

So I think that we're the consensus is to zero that fund. We we've paid. What will that do for this year's will that take that number down this year's budget? I just have one other question for 25. We've already you said we've already Yeah. He's in there. change the college of money.

So, he got like almost a $3 million. Okay. So, we're all in agreement that he needs to zero that out. And then for 26 community crossings match, which we may or may not get it because it's more competitive and I hope and pray that we do it because it's a lot of money toward projects. So, but I think we lower the 750 down to 600. Liz is saying we take 750 to six. So from the budget, it's only 150,000, but that 1.6 comes back to the coffers of the county, which increases that percentage that we have on hand, right? Or you could leave 600,000 in there and then zero out the 750 and that brings your budget down by 750. I wonder that makes more sense.

What he said, leave the money that Leave Leave 600,000 of what of the 1.6 six million in there, put a million back in a general fund and then X out the 750 in the budget. I see what you're saying about I really like just clearing out that account entirely. Yeah, just zeroing it out because to me it's really clean leaving this because the six one half dozen the other. But I think for the way my mind works, I like zeroing out if it were my personal account. That's what I would do. I would want I would want that account closed and I have to keep rumbling in my mind like how do I get up with this number? It's like so this like this is

done now we're starting 26 Aresh and for 26 we need 600,000 hoping that we get the community crossing grant. I am just the other way that way I try to trick myself to make it look like I'm broke. It's really easy for those of us who are broke. It's you don't have to trick yourself.

Well, I'm just I am flabbergasted that he was able to rat hole that much money in eight years. That's an average of 200,000 a year.

Okay. And we got to leave the other one that's.5. Is everyone in agreement that we when he gets here we tell him that we we're changing the community crossing. I mean four is probably plenty but six is is being hopeful. Tim's budget though. Yeah. It is Tim's but the community that way there wasn't two different budgets. So, is everyone in agreement to change the community crossings grant from 750 to 600? Yeah. Yes.

But I think what you're talking about I think cams is mainly the second page because that's his that's his employees, shop foreman, mechanics, him and I. And Mark probably knows it from being in business. You know, it's hard to find a $20 an hour qualified commercial truck driver. It's not true. We're lucky we found any, you know, at the rate that that we're paying.

Saying on location 51, does anyone want to leave patunis at 1.5 or bring it to last year's 400? We just have we've done additionals for batunis this year. Well, we did that slip on softwork. That was Is that out of County General? But this has zero dollars expended so far for the year. Yeah, but that's probably because it didn't have privile. Where do you find the money for that? There ain't that much black tub on privile it was it was like 50 feet of money. Who did that? I don't know. But I was when I saw what it looked like after it was open after how long it was closed, I was shocked. deliver NBA.

Tim, do they put nails on on servable at all or do they just put asphalt? No, I think they nailed it. I think part of the reason why I was close for so long, but I was dropped with like 50 feet worth of asphalt when you you know, but the guardrails are still falling over most of the way down. I thought I thought there was going to be more guardrail repair and that kind of stuff and yeah, it wasn't. They ros they can't do much with. Did you see not pleasant? It's starting to fall again. They just did it. Jeez. I just think they're just terrible. You don't know what you Well, it's your sub soil. I mean, you got in the parent material, you got shale underneath there. And they always taught us that shale is like pages in a book and it just keeps shearing

shearing off and sliding different directions. And that's the reason like Mount Pleasant privile most of these roads are like that because Mhm. you put if they're wet and you put compression on them slot. So that nail is supposed to give it some addition keeps it from you know sliding. It's a rope is just just goes up and down that it halts it at that point. But what's happened way underneath there, it's hard to tell.

Just like like on 46, there's been a slip there ever since I started driving. I mean, 50 years ago, God told me one time when Henry Ford got you your first car. Yeah. Thanks.

When uh we had when the blizzard came and and the bridge wrapped around Mark Dam and the river level was high in order to get that barge off of that Marklin Dam bridge. They lowered the river level and they said all the subs soil underneath there is just like letting water out of your bathtub. It sucks all that subs soil material and over a period of time it keeps sanking and sinking and sinking and that's where all that subs soil goes is about to move.

You know, you let the water out of your tub real quick. It just goes and that's what it did. So, we have no hope. Well, most of these soils around here, you don't. Would it be easier if it was flat soil? Oh my god. Not necessarily because then you got a water heating problem. I'm not I don't even want to hear that road ever again.

They should take their money they have set aside for 911 fees and fix the road. That top finished was not many people on top. I should have bought them out. The bottom part. That's bad. I thought we had a bridge where we only had one person living on the other side. Turkey turkey point or red bridge road. Yes. They say you have to do that. That was the one that had the shooting range beyond it and everything, right? with lead contamination in the hillside. Yeah, because that was the old gun club from I I remember back in the 50s.

And that was like 1.3 or 1.4 to fix it. They tried to sell it. You can't do it without lead remediation. More to have the lead remiated than it would to the value of the property when it was done. Well, so what do we want to do about this 1.5? We're going to cut it for now or we wait until we talk to Tim. Where do we land? I land on cutting it because if taking it back to the 400.

Well, if you're saying that it's not going to be a problem for him to get patus, we is anyone in favor of having a March meeting if there's a sudden need for additional minutes now. Yeah. I mean, am I right? Isn't that you can ask once the plants are open you it's pretty much endless supply right you don't have to pre- purchase

I think they worry about trying to get the bids out and because they like to get it done during you know when school's out and that way they can get get it under contract and all that have it under contract ready to go but they generally don't start it till about time school gets out so it should be enough time but I think the the thinking is they get a better price in the guy. But that's not necessarily true either. Just Well, Tim said he's got some jobs he's going to be doing this winter as far as black topping. This is for 26. So, I know, but in January,

you know, it kind of surprises me. He's got a $1.5 million budget and here we are the 1st of August and we've only used 400,000. No, we've used zero. 400's the adopted amount. Zero. Zero. And they got it in another spot too. In a different They got 400 some more thousand in a different spot. Yeah. Yeah. In the back. That's almost two, you know, almost 3 million. Two.

Yeah. He's got 425,000 off the last page, you think? So he's got almost two two million. Well, so far like as of June of this year, he only spent 101,000 of that, but last year he spent 424. Well, yeah, why don't we take it back down to the 400 level for now and then let him give us a pretty damn good reason why we need to adjust it. Sounds good to me. Well, he can just change number again in a couple days. It's not that hard. Have you already done that? I mean, you change it from one. Okay. So, that's the 400 and the community crossings is the 600, right?

And Keem bridge um which we did in the last item on the bottom location 125. So, that 1.4 million comes out of his Keune Bridge budget, but his Cune bridge budget cannot hold. He's got BL and taking that out because it's it's still going to be like 3 2 3.6 million. That's where Susan shows it being a negative 3.5 million.

I think last year it wasn't quite. Well, he's got York Ridge on here through 1.1 half.3 million. Doesn't need to be backtracked all there, right? Say I mean we then we just approve those appropriations this morning, right? Um which one did we do this morning? Davidson Road and York. Oh yeah, that one Davidson comes out million page. How many do you do you have that from this morning? And we did the Harrison. There was a couple.

We did the Harrison Brookville Road. That was 550,000. That's like 35 million or something.

Okay. So, the first one he had was bridge number two. That was Houston Road 460,000. That was mitigation. Then it has uh small structure 624 and 625. So 624 didn't come out. Are you on our on that video 11:35? So small structure 624. You would approve that today. But we were approved 550,000 I don't hear 624 and 625 on today's budget thing but today we did uh 550,000 today

and 329 let's do one at a time 32979 needs to come out. Okay. Then the next one we did was your that was 68. He doesn't have it on. Yeah, he does. 68. So that 1.3 million comes out. Did you guys find it? Are we all on the same page? We're on location fund 1135 Hume Bridge. So we took out

took out on first page Jameson not Jameson Davidson Road 1.4 million. the central chief of the highway. What the location? It's going to be fun 1135 off your location 125. So you're we you took out the 1.43 Davidson Road. We're taking out 550,000 for 32979 which is Harrison Brookville Road. Did you take that out? Yes. So then this next on the hip parade was 1.3 for York Ridge.

Yeah, York Ridge. But is that on it? Yeah. One you can you can take the York Ridge out. The 1.3

and under highway we got 1.8 in here. That was for that salt salt pork red slip. See? Yeah. for a good one. That was out of done out of 496. That was on the highway. I think we did that 4916 East. That's But today we did we did Salt Port, but we did 4916. We only did 496. Okay. But that that's exact same amount of money, right? But that's he probably did cribble and Kiser and some other stuff with that. Okay.

But that's the budget right now. We have to split it between 1176. So taking those out. What do we have now? He had 5 million 42,000. So what is it now? I'm still trying to think about this. 20 billion. I mean, he already did those jobs, right? Out of that moment. Yeah, but this is in the budget for 26, right? There's always this. Okay. There's always going to be So, so we're just saying that 26 have just going to leave it there. Okay.

Just taking out the 1.4 here. We're taking 1.450. world 550 then the 1.3 yeah and Leah's going to give us a new number bridge is going to go by quite a bit 2.7 32 don't beat her to the punch don't you say sorry it's less than two million don't say a word's job sorry Leah he's constant employing you give me a pig Leah Uhoh.

Wrap around my leg. My candy. That was good. Dean goes unpunished. Scared me a little bit. You and me both. I thought a snake bit meant about carrots. Is there a pineapple? Yeah, those are the best. Those are not wasted.

Thanks, Tim. Cocaine or something. Do that boys

towards the back. It was a separate fund like 153 or something. one. It's one of the last sheets in your You want one of these? You good? Yeah. What amazes me bridge 1.3 million to do your bridge and 1.4 million for Davidson Davidson. But that's that's awful small. I thought the same coming out of the 26. Well, it's just a deck overlay though, isn't it? Yeah. Arc Bridge though is all the whole deck. That's a big big bridge, right? Down to what? 179 1.4 on David.

I told Tim I think Davidson will come up under and I think that Harrison Brookville Road will come over the 550,000. Oh yeah. 550,000.

Can it hold it? Yeah. She's showing [ __ ] bridge on blue fage. Yeah, she's showing bridge only brings in 98 99,000 scheme is requesting 12% pay increase. Lord. So Leah, how much does King Cambridge have? 70.

Well, next year we know we just go straight Todd's budget, fix it, and then go home. That's not right.

He's only half joking. Serious as hell. Serious can get to the half moon. So, we're at one point. Let's say 1.8. It is. And are we good here or do we need to chop some more? Sounds like

I think she left it out of me and your thing. I think she did. It's after health. It's going to be after hell. They got out of order a little bit. I've seen the health. There's health. So when it says [ __ ] bridge at the top of it [Laughter] can't read you're helpful today we had the same lunch I think that was there it is g sugary cookie man

somebody got 125 right trying to visit your so anyway Todd's asking to go from 116 to 130 So, so I my memory is not great, but didn't we give him a sizable bump like two years ago maybe? No, I think he's only got he's sustained. No, he got I thought we gave him like a $12,000 bump two years two or three years ago. That's when he sent us that.

It had all the other Hollywood engineer rates on it and everything. He does a good job. He secures a lot of funds. But he does. I just How much would it be to replace him? More after what I'm And he's even though he's going to be here four more years. He ain't going nowhere. What' you say? He's not going anywhere. I know. And he said that. Oh, he's leaving now. He just guess his ears were burned. What's J stand for on J Todd? Jesus Christ.

Well, we just give him what he wants then. [Music] I want to say it was two years ago.

Well, the only thing we can do is just delete some of these small structures. And the only way I would go from his current 116 to his 130 is if he got no additional money. I think it was in 202 for 23 because in 22 he was getting 94 and then 23 it bumped to 106. But didn't you give everyone a better raise than that? Was that the year we gave no raise? What I 5% got like 12.7%.

I remember a 12 either 12,000 or 12%. So yeah. Yeah. I remember 12.7 12.7 total is that went from 94 to 106. We got a commissioner's meeting tonight. If you guys can read the paper, you're going to put this. Is it time to No, I'm just so I don't forget because there's a fish meeting early in the morning. We don't start till 10:30.

Oh, we start at 10:30. So, does anyone have a consensus on what they want to do with his um his given the state of 3% if we can give a raise or two three and four or consider what he's asking the 14,000 bump that's Dan do you want to leave 116 thing.

I'd probably give him more, but that's just me. It's only one opinion. What do you think, Denn?

Probably a good one. 4% take him up to about 120 121. Well, to me, if he gets the 130, he doesn't get cola. You don't have to give all of it to him. I decided probably give him more than four%. I'd rather I'd like to strip the names off of it and talk about what the justification is for giving anyone a race. When I talked to him one day last week,

his justification was that in Ohio County for community crossings, they had to hire an engineer to do some of the work for their community crossings, whereas Todd did it for a different county himself. And I'm thinking like, well, yeah, cuz we're paying an engineer's salary to do engineering work. So to me that was like I just I think word gets around here pretty good and when through the year some of our meetings we've been given bumps. Mhm. And it gets around and that's why he's asking for a lot more. I just that's my personal opinion. He has he has asked before

because well I know the last two meetings people come in we've gave uh raises and I I said we should wait till budget but then I think but we've we've been giving them here we we used to not do that I don't think we used to wait till budgets but here in the last couple meetings we've gave I know we've gave two or three people raises and I don't even know who they were but I remember doing it cuz they come up and said they got more study or more uh buildings or whatever. Yeah, whatever. I can't remember who it was. You know, planning and zoning. Nicole came when she was working on that five year plan for the park thing for the park. That was a that wasn't actually a raise. That was a

that was 10,000. That was a stipen for supposedly doing but it that's that's Is that a ongoing stipen or what? I think they got in their budget. But I told Jean Clearary, you know, talking about that that and and I mean, I know some of us were a little opposed to it in the first place, but they got in binding. They need to get their five-year plan done. And with the park board, if they want to if they need an employee, they need to hire somebody. People in the planning zoning need to be doing their job up there in my opinion. I mean, you're right. And they're not I mean that Nicole's going to some nighttime meetings, I guess, but the rest of them are still doing what they're doing on on the company time, you know? So,

well, he was at that meeting and heard that if I remember right. I've talked to him since then, but he and he's not in disagreement with that either, you know, but but I I don't think it's something we want to I think I asked Liz when the five-year plan was over, does that money go away or does she keep it? Well, that's why we wanted it to be a stipen and not a pay increase. It was typen for a onetime thing. Yeah. And it's I said something about a short-term solution and and Glenn even brought up that it's not a good long-term solution for it. At the same time when we were talking about I think that's why he asked for more.

But I would I don't think that that's considered like a raise in the middle of one kid gets something the other one wants it. Well how what what about like where you were? I mean like during CO and and kind of afterwards inflation went up and we we got a you know a little bit better raise just to keep up with the cost of living but now it's back you know down and we're back to three I think 2.4% cost of living or something.

That's what we were at. So what are you saying if you you that we're sending a bad signal and and by giving raises in the middle of the year giving We used to always do it at budgets. Yeah. Cuz then we could discuss it that when they're just right here in front of them, you just you're either yes or no. And but I don't I'm not against anybody getting what they can get. I mean, everybody wants to make more money. I do, too. Well, he's not shy about asking about 100%.

Well, it's one thing like, you know, if you can take somebody from a deputy two to a deputy one or whatever, their responsibilities change and it's a significant move midy year. He's not changing jobs. He was the engineer and he's going to be the trying to justify because other county engineers make more money than him. Yeah. But there's other ones that make less. And every time you rank an argument, you can you're not going to go go find the argument that's against you, you're going to find the one that's for you. Right. Right. But some kind of engineers actually do drawings for bridges and stuff and design work and everything. Yeah. I don't think I

No, I get that. he probably don't don't have time to do. I feel like there's I feel like there's been multiple times where we said, "Yep, he's probably underpaid. Yep, he's probably underpaid. We've done it." And maybe we set a bad precedent, but I feel like at some point we got to say that's what the job pays and you get the cost of living. And well, no one's going to get rich working at the county. I don't think the benefits are what you know. Well, that's what I was going to say. He could he could make more money in the private sector, but he's not going to get 16 paid holidays, right? Perf or P RF. They're all worth more in my opinion. How's that go?

They are. And the more money you make when you get a two or three or 4% increase, the more you you get a larger increase dollarswise than somebody who makes $40,000. Exactly. Yeah. I I would I hate I mean I I love Todd, but I I'm in favor of doing the same thing with him as we do with everybody else. Well, that's I think to me that's the most fair fair thing to do is across the board, whatever we come up with, he gets the same as everybody else. Now, some of these other ones that that we're going to field later, if they ask for a bump and we give it to them, are they also going to get the 3% on top of that?

Well, are you talking about a a pay raise or a classification change? Well, I feel like we've done if they've done a a classification change, they've gotten the bump on top of that historically. You got to consider we were making% that makes 1% really easy too. You know what the easiest thing is? pretty soon.

Hey, I like it. giving I hear his argument all the time. Second, right? And I hate to say it, but if he get the money, if he left, guess what we'd probably do the rate. There's got to be reasons why. Is it going okay?

So, I think we're changing that one back. did that for now Thursday.

It would be nice. I think the worst we're going to do is Thursday at noon time. We going back to 116 for now. Yes. Yeah. Uh I don't Debbie Smith's not coming from the visitors bureau is she? That's the next fund and she's requesting 1.5 but that's again pass through basically.

Yeah. I heard that I heard that probably 3,000 times in my lifetime. Yeah, you want one filled up first. Did you want to do mine? I don't think Okay, let's do

Yeah. We knock Warner down about 4,000. Go back. Go tell her I've said that when you go back into office. randomly the uh contract for computer maintenance and yeah the loud is that loud

is that protect financial personel but is that who that is and I did take up the uh county elected officials training so we can just use that do you have the account in general or not oh yeah we have let's just take that 2000 can can that budget hold everything we're pushing into it. Okay, let's take the 2,000 out of here and put it in that training thing. Was that fun number?

Is that building up pretty fast on it? It does. And we didn't use it for years. Well, for years. Not every certain people that can use it. council surveyor reporter myself and assessor might as well use it for travel stuff. When do you start doing that? So I think that ever do that. I think for years the legislature wouldn't didn't allow for counsel and certain other started out what's the resource consult for there's only three or four offices that are uh job descriptions. Yeah. JavaScript better handbook our handbook

what so we have public finances Baker telling so that human resources consultant that seems Irwin yeah that seems actually cheap if they're dealing with some of those bigger things and we had 15,000 last year and I um we encumbered 10 because that's what they told us for the uh help me out so when we have an HR type issue Does Kim handle it? Do you handle it? Does if there's a problem that we need help on, we email Patty. Patty Brooker. So, someone wanted to make a sexual harassment, share a sexual harassment concern, who would they come to? Email Patty Brooker. We would do it, but she tells us that. Who does they go to here? Do they go to Sue or

Cam? Cam if it's easy enough. But no one would really ask them. You kind of need somebody to talk about that program. I don't think we could afford something and they're pretty cheap. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That additional is not bad, but it's it's nice to have that within your four walls as well. I mean, and if we could get someone part-time, that would that could work. If you could get someone pay.

Yeah. But if you can get someone, you know, you don't have to pay benefits for then, you know, part-time HR person, that could be something. Well, no. I mean, I think you'd have to you'd have to use get a HR level person to have them do some of these other responsibilities as well, but they'd be the one to do the HR job if there's, you know, and I'm not saying that Kim can't handle it. I'm just I'm asking the question. Pretty good job. Well, I guarantee that. Oh, really? Keeps GD right in line. That's pretty good.