City Council - Regular Meeting

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Let's just take a minute. You can do whatever you want. Okay. Yeah, she's a very good teacher. My wife's a good teacher.

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But you know what that's great instead of infrastructure people.

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They'll love that building for sure. And this spot is really cool because it's right across from Scott's playground, which is Scott on the back side, and it's the Blue Riders. And because we take Epple and Darrell all the time, it's the bike and playhouse area. And just a quick jaunt up to third, and it's just a cool spot. We'll see if it goes.

You've got to wait almost. Not until you're in.

Yeah, because they're big names. So they full-time RVs. And so they needed a spot that has an RV. And in the listing, it was like, yeah, RV is good. There's no HOA, all that. I'm going to do the research. There is an HOA. And it's the high laws of the HOA. It says no trailer or RV parking. And so it's like the listing. So we'll see. We will see. That was wonderful. Yeah. And they're not opposed to putting it in storage. Did we hear anything special?

I did not hear from him. Saw him earlier, but I didn't see him. There he is. I don't know.

I just heard something.

Well, I don't know where is that, so we're going to go ahead and start. Okay, we're going to bring this meeting order at 6 p.m.

Let's bring this meeting to order at 631. Let's just do that.

Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The full house minus Mr. And we have anybody signed up this Right. Is Judy.

Hello. Hello.

My name is Judy Gerard, and I'm here as a DCDA board member for that executive team. And my comments are focused on the TLT dollars and conversations I've had with Jeremy. I don't know whether to name and address. Oh, I thought I did. Judy Gerard, 305 Main Street. Thank you. Start the clock over. I came tonight because I figured we've got two more days of Jeremy. And so if he wanted to disavow or you know, challenge anything I'm saying here. He has an opportunity. You can ask him questions or whatever. So as a Main Street program, one of the DCA's focus areas is to work on projects that help make downtown Dayton and its historic assets more beautiful, more safe, and more a welcoming for everybody. So over the course of the last six months, I've talked with Jeremy a couple of times about some of the things that are in our DCBA plan. Some of the things that seem to be the city interests and by going some of the things that are matching up with the city council goals and wondering if there's some of those that might be useful for use of TOT dollars. So if you look at the back side, you can see some of the things that I shared with Jeremy over the last six months talking about TOT dollars and things that we could do with those, we meaning collectively. So we, I mean, this is great. Well, one of them just aren't going to go into detail. You've got the detail here, and I've done some research and gave him some money and so forth. None of this made it specifically into the budget. None of this is prioritized because you're still ideas that are floating. And one of them is the mural project we talked about last month, wayfinding signs, bike station in the park for our bike tours, dressing up the picnic shelter a little bit for our travelers, downtown benches. And I'm not talking about the park. I'm talking about pedestrian walkways. The mural that we'd like to do at Camino, which would be an awe-inspiring, wonderful, astounding mural that people would want to stop and take pictures of that would be worthy of a mural trail participant from the county. Vintage-style dark sky street lamps for downtown, which is part of the urban renewal area plan. A signature for the nature trail, not now, but when it's ready, but to sort of keep that on the list of things. And more recently, the Courthouse Square Park is a tourist facility. Let's figure out how we can water the lawn and return the lawn to a green, luscious, inviting gym that we're hoping it is and something that is part of our marketing scheme for people to come and see downtown and visit downtown and be here. Now, when I heard that Jeremy was leaving, I said, so hold up. I'd like to have a meeting so we can talk about this TOT things that we've been discussing and the dollars and the budget. Like, who's doing what with all this when you go? He shared with me that there really isn't a long range plan right now for the tlp dollars and that there wasn't any specific thing in the you are a. Original originating documents that were a specific priority or how to with the items that were in there, which includes those street lamps that was done on purpose Judy. Well that's all that's okay it's just like there's there's none that is specific enough to say we're going to do this and people or whatever. So anyway, in our conversations, we agreed that it would there would be value in creating a date and DLT plan. Certainly with Kittredge's guidance around that and include spending priorities. I'm sorry. Well, I just very quickly, I'll take another minute. At any rate, that there would be value in doing a DLT plan and Also, in looking at whether or not there's money you want to set aside to do a downtown master plan, which would draw together things from Dayton Forward, things from Twin Towers Civic Planning that they did, and a community input to look at a more mega plan around downtown and then prioritize how you want to spend your TLT dollars and what to invest in here to say, please come here, be here, see here, stay here, interact with our businesses here. But what's going to be here for people to want to come and do that? It's different than saying, let's do destination marketing and market them. It's really, what are we going to invest in to have here? So anyway, the request is that DCDA would like to be at the table and have a designated seat when there is TLT planning or when there is downtown master. So this concludes my comments. Thank you, Judy. Amazing work.

We will go into our action items with GSI presentation. Is it Colbecker? Yes. Okay, Matt Colbecker.

Well, thank you very much for having me. I'm here today. Holly has been doing a lot of the heavy liftings down Fisher Farms property. I'm a geologist and I've been helping the city since the around 2007 first well I drilled this out in the joint well field. So. I've got a little like few minutes, just to get everyone up to speed and what we've been doing out the Fisher wells and talk about the new well possibility so um. Basically, we've been, you know, there are two parcels out there. We've got the eastern parcel with three wells, and then there's the western parcel with one well, which I'll call well four. And we've been testing these wells to see what we think they're going to make. Over on the eastern parcel, wells one, two, and three, I think during the winter, those are going to make about 230 gallons per minute. Now, it's really hard to kind of project what they're going to make during the summer, but we're ballparking that at a little bit over 100 pounds per minute. Don't make as much during the summer, just the water levels on the aquifer are lower, more demand on the aquifer too. One of the things we're finding is that the juice isn't really worth the squeeze on one of those wells, because the wells are right on top of each other. So we are kind of recommending just developing two of those wells. You're going to get about the same amount of water out of those, if that makes sense. and save some money on pumps and that sort of stuff.

And that's on the east side that you're talking about?

Correct. Okay. Any questions about the east side before I go over to west side? Okay. So let's talk about well four. We headed over to well four, put a pump in there, turned that pump on, and the well started producing sand. And if a well is producing sand, it's not worth developing. choose up the pumps and creates a bunch of other problems too. Not a big surprise, it's an old irrigation well. So the question is, what all would be involved with drilling a new well on that property? What we'd like about that property is the aquifer's the thickest over there. We know that from drilling well number, or yeah, from well form, from that driller's log. So, Basically, I just kind of shift over to my points here. We think that a well there would make about 150 gallons per minute during the winter, and during the summer would make about 110 gallons per minute. Now, there's room for more wells on that property that they wouldn't interfere with each other, like the eastern property. So that's one thing to think about. So that's our capacity. On the cost side of things, there's a wide range, right? You can build wells, some you can build Cadillac wells, you can build wells that'll just get you point A to point B. So if you're in that point A to point B box, that's like a $300,000 cost that we're estimating, and that's just in the drilling costs, okay? On more of the Cadillac side, and there's some reasons to go nicer, that's coming in at about four feet. And these are just planning bubble numbers. It's one of those things you really have to kind of get the bids back from the drillers to have all work. But for planning purposes, that's what we'll come up with. Timeline, we've got about two or three months just to pull some specifications together for drillers to bid on. So two to three months to do that. and then about four to six, four to five months, sorry, to actually get a driller and a contract and drill the well. So this puts us into kind of March timeframe, worst case. So any questions?

Okay, so a couple of things. For,

Well, I'm going to backtrack to Wells 1 and 3 first. So these are the ones that we see buy more on the east side. I don't know. I think this may be more of a Don question rather than Gabe. Costing, just whether it's GSI or permitting up to this point in time, what are we looking at for just bringing Wells 1 and 3 online?

I don't have a number in front of me. Okay, but guess a bit. I can get back to you on that.

Okay, because I mean that's what's going to tell us how much we have left to work with more than anything else. And then question two is for well four, you know, if we do develop, you know, if we do choose to develop well four, you know, 300 to 450, depending on the, you know, tier for lack of a better term for the drilling, what, you know, costs beyond that can we expect? And again, I don't know if this is You know, this is a new question or, you know, our staff question or quite where to direct that. But, you know, kind of what is an estimate in your experience of kind of all in beyond just the drilling? Because we've got, you know, granulated we can work with, but that is finite. And so I'm curious what our resources will look like to be able to accommodate something like that.

Yeah. So let me go back to your first question first. So Don, you're going to pull those numbers together. So at GSI, we are projecting we're going to be $25,000 below budget on our pace on the testing part. So you can factor that in. And then Wells 1 and 3. So I'm sorry, Wells 4. So we've got about 60,000 of some water rights tasks, permitting stuff, and then pulling together the specifications, helping the city with the bidding process, reviewing the bids, getting the drilling contract. So that's 60. And then for the design, construction, and oversight, this is the hard number. I've got that at about 50. So 110 total. I say that 50 is a hard number because we can provide the level of service that is appropriate for the city's looking for. There's a risk for it off, right? So, you know, the more involved we are, the less risk of if something goes wrong, then the city's protected because we have our own documentations, that sort of thing. So when you have a good driller, we can maintain a lighter touch and you'll still get the same product. If you have a driller that needs a little more handling or it's better to have eyes on then. So anyway, to answer your question, yeah, 60 for just the water rights permitting side of things, and then 50 for oversight. That's for one well. For two, don't double those costs.

They increase a bit, but... And that's in addition to that 300 or 450? Correct. Okay. So we're looking at somewhere about 410 to 560 ballpark. Yeah, that's what I got. Okay.

That includes a hard one.

Because hardware scrubber. Oh, that's a good question. So that excludes pump, piping, methane strippers, all the engineering stuff that West Tech would. So we're in the millions now.

We're in the millions now. Yeah, I don't know how much the. Yeah, so we're talking about just a whole lot. Pretty great. Yep. Nothing else.

A little bucket that we dropped.

Yeah, we're here on what? So how old was the well that was starting to suck sand? How old was that sand in the well? Was that 40 years old?

I think that was given to me.

OK. OK, so that's about 35 years. It was made of a couple of things to think about. Low carbon steel, which is susceptible to corrosion. The wall thickness of that steel was only a quarter inch, which we don't build like that. We talked about the casing? Yes. Okay. We don't build them like that anymore. That's not going to last very long. And the other important thing is the way that they cut the holes in that casing is basically with a skill saw or a torch. So those corrode pretty quickly, and that's how the sand gets in there.

You're talking about the fenestration? Great. Okay.

The way we build these things now is kind of like well three with steel screen engineering design designed to last much longer.

What's much longer?

You know, I think 50 years with a low carbon steel, like a 375 wall thickness is pretty typical.

So you looked at the other one. Did we abandon outright any wells when we were doing this study? Because I think we were talking about five well initially, correct? So we were looking at four. One, two, three, and four. Yeah.

So you're saying it was all leaking in.

Yeah, okay. That's what I was talking about, four wells. So the other two wells that are producing 230 pounds per minute during the winter, those are how old?

That's 2001. That one's 2001, so it's 25 years and

Those were built in the same manner that the other ones casing ones and the rest of that.

Yeah, those both have stains just screens.

So we went in another 20 years.

Yeah.

And then we'll choose the one that is all the table for us. That's just the open pipe in the ground.

So basically, we have three books that are doing that.

one, three are doable and then if you build the new well.

So we have the capacity as we sit here now, we're about 230 estimated during the winter. Correct. Of a well that's going to give us about 20 more years. Okay. Yeah, that's what it will be needed. And so you expect to get another 50 years on an outside on the new one?

Yeah, I would say that's The 50 years is minimum. I see some low carbon steel wells last up to 75. Our groundwaters are very aggressive up here. We're a little lucky. Other parts of the country, you wouldn't get more than 25 of this sort of construction.

Have we done any ground penetrated studies? Let's see if our aquifer is actually sufficient to last until length of the pipe.

Well, the city does do water level monitoring every March. And that tells us that the water levels are stable. And that's a good sign as far as how long it will last. Until we have a fire.

Thank you.

Can I follow up on that for the infrastructure side of things? Please. So for, well, you know, four or two or whichever ones that we're abandoning. If this cost is not including the operable infrastructure, is there any operable infrastructure that can be migrated? Even if it's older, a pump's a pump, an old pump versus a new pump. Is there the ability to use some of those older tools in the beginning, maybe until we can afford a new pump or something like that? Is there a recycling that is possible in any way?

Yeah, you know, that's a great question. We've actually looked at the... We had Schneider, who was the driller, testing these wells, looking at the condition of these pumps and basically all that need to be replaced. So I saw a cost for one, I think it was well one, that is a $20,000 replacement. And I don't have a cost yet of all three. So we're still waiting for that on that pump.

Okay. So the wells themselves could give us another 20, 25 years, but the pump probably won't.

Yeah, that's a good question. It's hard to answer. It's such a well-specified thing.

Yeah, for sure. Well, so out of curiosity, and this is just me not knowing quite how the infrastructure works in a well, is it difficult to replace a pump within a well?

It's pretty easy. Yeah. I mean, you're looking at having a driller come out with their pump truck and pull the pump, and then you So let's see if you can just be repaired any that they need no color or something and then drop it back in.

Okay, so I'd be curious to see What the cost would be the wells where the pumps work, but the wells did not what it would cost and all those pumps and even just get, you know, 10 more years or backup in case one goes down. I'm curious if there's You know, a resource there that could be really easy. Yeah. I mean, because, you know, if one goes down, we don't have a backup. You know, we're kind of up a creek. But, you know, if it's not an ideal scenario, we have a backup that could be dropped in, even if it's an old backup. I don't know if that's necessarily this conversation or if that's something outside of this conversation. But I'd be curious on the infrastructure reasonability for everyone else to work in it.

I mean, we can certainly get you a Boston bullet pump and have another pump.

What's the date of those pumps manufacturing?

Yeah, don't know. Good question. A lot of times the information was rubbed off on the faceplate, so it made it hard to even identify what.

We might have it in our records.

Yes, not yet. You have to look in the records there, but we couldn't make that determination on a lot of pumps that we pulled.

So are we going to see a cost reduction in your initial bid because of all this low materialism functioning? Are we still pretty much where we're at?

Yeah, that's the one I mentioned. We're $25,000 below budget. That's where that's come from. It's because we basically pulled the plug on Wall 4 after the initial testing.

Was that when you got the change for $80,000? No, that was...

So the increase for 80,000 was when we did a video for well three and well four. We noticed the screens were clogged with microbial growth. And so we needed to get in there, clean that off in order to determine what the actual capacity of the wells was.

How do those screens look now after that scrubbing?

The well three screen looks in good condition. And it stands, right? Yes, that one's stainless. And most of the savings came from that $89,000. There have been some other things that were unanticipated that we ran into when we opened up these wells. So we had to add some costs for that. But still, with all the additions, we're still at $25,000.

But do you have any chance of accessing something that you can give us a rough figure on what it might run us for the hardware? the new parks and all of us that kind of because it's in purpose of the discussion that's what about we make a decision on it also because we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars on the trip and you guys know more about that i think that means perfect to have danny um get that yeah that's like the rapture you know

I'm like, when it comes to structure, what like specific, you know, tools will be like the medics forever was something I think that was mentioned, right? And the pump itself, like what beyond that would we need to look at purchasing? It's not included in this, you know, board, the 560 number.

So the other stuff's going to be relatively minor, but there's some measurement tubes that need to go in the well. There's a flow totalizer that might need to be replaced. Okay. A little bit of piping to hook it up to the existing conveyance. But it's really the methane stripper, the pump, that's where most of the pump is.

There was a number thrown out just a couple minutes ago on well one and three, if we needed to replace the pump, ballpark 20,000. Would that be applicable for this new pump as well?

It depends. The cost of a pump really It's going to be based on how much water you're getting out of the well. So I would say if you're paying more for a pump, that's good in terms of water production. So we'd be drilling a 12-inch casing in that? That's what I've got a ballpark at now.

So the pump would be bigger in a 12-inch casing than it would in the others, which I think are 6-inch casing, 8-inch? 8-inch.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- A scene and then the hospital wall to the sixth century. HAB-Terry Palmos- So you're going to get certain side.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Exactly yeah.

HAB-Terry Palmos- Did we talk about moving this we've been so in water discussion, so I might be misremembering something, but did we talk about the moving in strippers to the we already have so that no okay.

HAB-Terry Palmos- At all. at the current level.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe this was when we were talking about the Lafayette tie-in.

And I believe Denny's preliminary design, the thought process, I believe he's trying to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's trying to do one large methane stripper for all of the wells instead of individuals like the other locations. Okay. We could get a chemical. Methane benamine.

Okay.

So, I mean, to your point, we're looking at seven, eight hundred and a half.

I think once we get the bottom line, we'll be able to lay a dollars on this project.

That's just for the study.

That's the hard way to fall next year. It's not a deadline.

How long does it take? It shouldn't take long to install strippers. It depends. Like Denny was having issues trying to get a lead guy mom just hitting one order.

Getting the products we need is not.

I know when we initially talked about this over a year ago, it was like an eight or nine month lead time. I don't know. I haven't heard it updated. So these are made in form of seeds?

Yes. Nothing like that is made over here at all. Okay.

Got it. So it probably can't be. And that's kind of why we had to start with GSI. I'm beginning to get this information because we can't order a method instrument, just a generic, without knowing what we're going to face for flows and all of that. Like right now, we can't even order one until we figure out, are we adding another well? Are we just adding the two? So.

We already have the meting strippers for these two wells. Oh, so we got to do that no matter what? Yes. Okay. So don't get me wrong, but Matt, do you remember your bid for, just off the top of your head, for this project, including the change?

We already have some. John Gerstle, Let's say we're about. John Gerstle, All right, but the drillers included. John Gerstle, The original plus the. John Gerstle, We have yeah. Okay, so let's just say. John Gerstle, yeah I guess I should probably.

John Gerstle, hear numbers. option, we've got 850, let's say, let's just build in some buffer to work with. So the question is, if we can, what we can fit within the money that we're given, because I don't necessarily think that we can go over, you know, we can't go. Yeah. So maybe only going to be forced, we have one in three, drill four, but then wait until we have more money to get operational

Is there a risk of leaving the drilling hole dormant?

Yeah, I mean, you know, a well sits, you can create these stagnant water columns and these conditions for the microbial bloom to happen. That's what happened with well-free. So there's some things you can do by like dropping a pump in there to turn it up with water or chlorine drip. So there's some things you can do to prevent against that, but That's the cost.

So the drill will case it then, right? Well, I'm sorry. The drill will case it and screen it and you'll all penetrate.

Yeah. And then that pump worked. It just pumped saved, right? Correct. So theoretically, if we just do a turnover.

A little more pump then. Oh, right. Sorry. Thank you. Yeah, that was a temporary pump. So the drillers are putting their own pump down there while I'm doing the testing.

Instead of we keep going down this road, let's find out what our dollars are first before we continue talking about something we don't need to talk about yet.

But we need to know the financial amount of this whole thing.

And we're going to get that from Denny when he gets us the rest of the dollar. And then we'll have more discussion. I just, it's just, I mean, it's good discussion, but we've got other things.

It's a good Q&A. So I appreciate the time. Thank you.

Thank you so very much.

I'm certainly here around these hours.

And so after your work.

Well, thank you, Holly. Thanks, Holly. Well, you're happy.

That doesn't most of the people in this room.

Thank you.

All right. We're going to move on to action number two. This is approval of resolution 2025-26-4, a resolution of the David City Council submitting to the registered voters of the city for their approval of the renewal of the public safety levy. That is a long, long one. So we will definitely probably need some discussion in here as well. There's a couple different options listed. I don't know if you guys get those.

Gretchen, can you talk us through these? I'll do my best. So in the table scenario one, you're looking at kind of our existing So if we were to follow the status quo, and I believe that Jeremy is also included, if you'll see there with the kind of in the middle of the table with the gray shading, what would happen with respect to when you speak. And so my understanding is that there was a discussion of trying to find a way to eliminate the fee and cover all the costs with the levy. So scenario one is kind of existing situation with an annual increase to the fee to be able to cover future costs and escalation. Scenario two is responsive to the council's request for an amount that would actually cover all of our needs in the public safety arena without having a fee, being able to eliminate the fee. That's kind of it in a nutshell. You'll notice that there's also some analysis of which, at what point a homeowner would actually see savings under scenario two. And that was another question that the council posed. So when you're communicating and educating the public, there's a way of describing the value and the savings associated with the option.

So why is this a descending cost on the scenario too? We're looking at 27.28 and 23.40 and then all of a sudden 7.14, is that because of change in assessed value?

That's the levy put close to that, 242 per 1,000.

So is that a descending use of funds or is it going to be?

So see how he says increase, so the increase is

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Going down it's kind of another words they by doing scenario to have a 242 they actually spend less overall than if they were paying to let me the. HAB-Masyn Moyer- security, whatever they want to call everyone can't get that out.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Yes, please um. I would like to remind council that we have been telling people, give us a new levy or pass a new levy, and the monthly fee will go away. There's also the point, monthly charges charge everybody the same, whereas on the property taxes, it's according to your value. We've already been asked to buy the people at the monthly cost and make it more fair. Two is the way to go, I believe. I would want, personally, I would want to pay on the property taxes and on utilities. But we told people that we weren't going to charge them the fee anymore. I think we need to stick to that. Can I back up?

Of course. So I think it's also transparency in government is important. Right. And this is exactly what you were just saying. Like, transparency. We've been saying this for a long time. If we go out to bid for something, we need to go out to bid for what we need. And if they say no, they say no. If they don't want the service and they don't want to pay what it'll actually cost for the service, then we don't have the service. I don't think this charging a little bit of a levy and then doing all so much in the monthly bill is good government transparency. Plain and simple.

Would it be brooding at this point? Going back a few presidents.

I agree with getting that, uh, Councillor Mackay, that having it on the property taxes would be the way to go.

No.

The biggest frustration that I've heard, um, through the community is on their bill and all the confusion with what am I being billed? It's just, I see scenario two clearing that up. So I'm with you on that one.

Um, May I be so bold as to make a motion, please?

Because I actually disagree with you guys. On my house, I just ran the numbers in. And we're talking about four or five years before it even pens as the two converging. And I think it'd be more complicated for people to understand. I agree with that. But if we have it at 185 and we have a small increase each month, each year, It really, to me, makes more sense, and it actually costs me less money to do it that way than it does to get from the importance of you and start that all out.

But we're not voting for you. We're voting for the committee.

No, I'm offering my opinion as a member of this council, which I have a right to.

Absolutely.

And so I would just say that I would prefer to go. It would actually be cheaper, but it would be harder to explain to people why it would be cheaper.

You know, if I think that explaining people's sorry.

I feel like we. It was made pretty clear and many of us felt that. It needs to pay no more of this deficit spending like you need to charge what it costs and it costs this. You know, I don't I think that under charging and then fudging with the fee, I think it's.

We also raise their water. We're going to raise their sewer. And then we're going to have them being taxed, which they're going to view as getting raped again. And then having a fee every month is going to be like, eh.

I wonder how palatable people are going to find that extra 50 cents for them.

I think they're going to find it more palatable than three, whatever, or four or something every month on their water bill.

It's really, we're really trying to read how data is going to go on this thing because we actually, we need to buy in for our officer, which is that we do. And it really is just a question of, I think getting rid of this, if there's a good sale, saying, okay, let's go for that 242 and let's get rid of your fee, but we're not going to charge you any fees. I think that would be the way. Is that 242 guaranteed to cover 100% of our costs or officer total for the next five years?

That's what my understanding is.

Can we see the document Jeremy put together? I would like to see all of the details so we can tell people what they're getting for this. But I guess we're going to have to put our trust in Jeremy. I'm pretty certain he understands that we need to cover the costs. He understood that. Yeah. We can't subsidize this. We don't have any general fund, and that's pretty much what it would come down to, or adding on to the monthly expenses. And we have already been asked to fix the sewer fees so they're not spread out equally over everybody. We still need to do that. So adding another flat fee on top doesn't feel right. The way I see it, it's going to cost more every single year. Pieces of life are going to go up all the time. It isn't really about saving money. It's about doing the right thing for the people.

Even though saving money would probably be doing, could make an argument that that's doing the right thing. I mean, I have thought of the will of the council, but we're really, it's a guessing game to find out how we're going to hit the same pass. And ultimately, we can be without a sheriff at all. The first time.

Seven years or something like that? Yep. Oh, but we didn't have any crime during that time. The crime didn't happen until the officer came back.

That's true. That's true.

But, yeah, seven years or that. I think the mayor has more specific memories of what things were like. Oh, yeah.

Loads of coin ads. Good. That's the best I can say right now, but. But that's why if we do the 242, it is our jobs collectively to get our asses out there and get people to vote for it and explain why they need to vote for it. Educate, educate, educate. So Friday nights, let's get our butts down there and start talking to people. I'll entertain a motion if we're done discussing. Well, Madam Mayor, um,

Let me make sure I'm doing the right thing here. All right. I move to approve Resolution 2025-26-24, submitting to the registered voters of the city for their approval for renewal of the local auction tax at a rate of $2.42 per 1,000 of assessed value manually for five years beginning in fiscal year 27-28, to provide services, police services as amended? Second.

I have a motion from Councilor Mackin and a second from Councilor Hildebrandt. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Aye.

Okay. Everyone opposed? And who asked for this voting? Yay. So motion passes. Okay. Page 9. Oh, look at there. Getting much more. Approval of Resolution 2026-27-01, Public Works Design Standards Update Number 18. Was there anything that we need to know about it that you all want to share, or should we just get on down to business?

Basically, a rule change in the state HAB-Masyn Moyer- Over the city. HAB-Masyn Moyer- For. HAB-Masyn Moyer- For development in the past, they can submit partial documents and basically now they have a very strict timeline. And by voting on this, it makes it clear that the timeline doesn't start when the city receives all the paperwork.

Oh, that's the one Denny talked about. I remember that.

That's a good one.

Yeah, that's a great one. Okay. Is that good? If I may? Please.

I move to approve Resolution 2026-27-01, a resolution adopting Public Works Design Standards Update Number 18.

Second. I have a motion from Council Peterson, a second from Council Ted Brum. All those in favor? Motion passes. Page 19 for the bill of resolution 2026-1742 amending U.S. bank signing of the word. Madam Mayor, there's a name missing. The Council President should be on the list. Yes, the council president should be on the list.

So when I went in to check it, they changed the security and I had to get a visible token in order to look at that list. So I just went off of what I remembered.

Okay. I'm not taking it personally.

So what do we do with this table of credence? Our approval map is... We can have it. Definitely.

We'll do it as a method. Okay. Okay.

You want to take this group? Sure. I moved to approve resolution 26 slash 27 dash 02, a resolution changing signature authority for U.S. Bank primary checking account as a method.

I have a motion from Councillor Hill for that and a second from Councillor Mackin. All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. Motion passes. All right page when you want to know the resolution where the city of Dayton's intent to rejoin the young hill regional water authority page 21. Any discussion questions, comments.

I move to approve resolution 2026 27 dash 03 resolution of the data City Council declaring the city of Dayton's attempt to rejoin the regional water authority. The YRWA, no pun intended, effective July 14th, 2026, or on another date approved by the YRWA member government rules.

Second. We have a motion from Councilor Hover and a second from Councilor Peterson. All those in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Aye. Motion passes. Okay. On page 23, we have a resolution. Another, adopting the City of Dayton's 26, 27, City Council's strategic goals.

I have some questions. Yes? About the goals, which everybody kind of referred to it. About the fifth entry, it says, paid, unpaved road. Is that supposed to be plural? Yeah. Thank you. Let's fix that.

OK.

And then, oh boy, two thirds of the way down in the D section, five up from the E, it says, seal the city's history at events. I do not know what that means. I feel like the word seal is a typo. Sell. Thank you. That's what I thought. It was probably supposed to be because that means nothing. So if someone could fix that typo, probably it was you. And then is the, up a few, about an inch and a half from that one, is the Stars and Stripes the fireworks?

Yes. Okay, thank you. I thought so.

Those were my questions almost right there.

All right.

Anybody else? Oh, just a question, please. Would it be possible to get a paper copy of this? I'd like to carry it around with me And I am having some technological problems at home. I can't get my printer to talk to any of the devices I have. Do you want to just rip that out of the paper? I don't have the paper. Oh, that's right. I don't need all that paper.

I would be happy to entertain the motion.

I move to approve Resolution 2026-27-04 adopting the City of Dayton 2026

slash 2027 city council and very cool.

The motion from half the time during the second from customer over all those in favor. All right. All right, gosh, who passes. We're bound to city council points and concerns. We're going to start with also over

I really don't have much to say before I'm going to be here with everybody. When do you not have too much to say? I'm just happy that we're all such a, I mean, I really enjoy us as a community, you know, like and welcome to our new city.

All right. So I spoke with Jeremy and we wanted to bring up to the council the firework show. Um, as you know, that we were doing fundraising for the, my work show, um, there was well over half of the verbal committed, uh, donors that failed, uh, due to, uh, fiscal end. Uh, so they did tell me to come back after their, their fiscal year.

So yeah, I did send Gretchen and Jeremy both.

the tracking spreadsheet that I have that I did get verbals on and who has currently made. I think I currently have in our accounts with the city and with Dundee Women's Club about $2,800, but I have well over 8,000 in verbal commitments, which I'll be attacking in the next couple of weeks to go get. Plus we do have some meeting potential donors that I just spoke with the last two days. So, but we just wanted to be open and clear. It's fundraising still happening. It's going to get all laid back. And we're going to push for next year as well.

Thank you. Checked in the mail.

I was able to confirm that it was paid out of general fund.

Okay. So we'll be in versus general fund. Yes.

Fantastic.

All right.

Thank you. Thank you. I have a few things. One question on this packet that we get and it gives us the last pages of it give us the infractions that are dealt with. I'm just wondering if there's a way to get the actual street number on there. I don't know that they will do that. It always says street.

I mean, you know it's on 3rd because it's Erd Street. I don't know that they will give you the exact address.

No, not address, just the street number. Oh. None of them are. We know Erd is 3rd, and we know Nd is 2nd. What's Th? But Th can be 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th.

So you want the full name of the actual street.

The way it's printed out, that has always made me crazy. So if we flip it the other direction, then it would be... I don't know where that's happening, and I'm not a spreadsheet gal, so... Oh, that's what I thought.

Yeah, but if you flip it the other direction, it'll spread out. Because it's kind of same.

It's just changing things.

The street is not the usual thing.

It's rude to not to do this.

The third thing we don't do. Three things I just want to say publicly, and I don't think Jeremy's here online, but thank you to Jeremy for these years of his work.

Personally, he really helped me a lot. He and I came on board at basically the same time. And he was always so respectful in how I didn't know what was going on. And he brought me along and acted like we were both learning together. And I know that wasn't the case. And I really appreciated his leadership and the way he could build this town up. Secondly, welcome to Gresham. Credit to Jeremy for finding you and Just so blessed to have you here in this room, and so excited to work with you. So thank you for being here, and I look forward to getting your thumbprint on everything that we're doing, because I think you're really so awesome. So thank you.

OK, I'm going to go really quick, because Wednesday, Jeremy is coming to have lunch with me in McMinnville. So everybody is invited. It'll be at the Atticus. That little Mediterranean downstairs. Yes. Thank you. Sorry, I work, folks. I don't get lunch until then. So, anyways, if you want to come, I mean, maybe he'll come earlier. I don't know. Maybe. You're what?

I said working from 9 to 2. Oh, it's booey.

Okay. Do you want us to RSVP or to show up? Just show up. Okay. No need to RSVP. Let me know.

There's four of you in that house. Just notice it.

Just be safe. That way we don't have to.

I have a community meeting at that time, so I won't be there. Well, I'll be there.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- All right, I got nothing else, other than that, I mean I do, but we're not going to go to that.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- I was just I wanted to check in on the day when we heard anything from the county yet yeah.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- And, and I haven't given that, and I have a discussion with French and how it.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Is.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- What I have at this moment i'm surprised. HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah.

Well, a couple of things on the League of Oregon Cities. The legislative priority process is in action. I believe if we have an opportunity to read through a whole list of things, decide on our top five priorities, and when you consider the timing of this, Gretchen has an opportunity to get to know us on what we say our priorities are. I think this is a marvelous opportunity. Also, the conference registration for the October conference registration is coming up. Is anybody else available to go? If I can find a way to go, I would go. How much money do we have and how many people can we send?

That I just checked and there's no money in the budget for any counselor travel at all or training. However, however, if you'd like, I can try to evaluate options in the budget to accommodate counselor travel to that conference.

Where's the conference?

I thought it was invented this year. No.

No spending the night.

Just drive. If I could get the time off, you don't have to pay for my travel all through my own. What is this? In October. October 22nd.

It'd be great if we could all.

I would like to try and plan to do it because I'm happy to pay my own gas, at least to go to that.

There is a cost to the conference. The amount is $3500 per person, I think, for the registration.

Now, I'm going to be taking myself on a vacation. I'm going to go ahead and spend the night down there, so I'm not driving in the dark.

We don't have to go every day. There might be a prorated amount if we're able to go for a day, maybe. You can check into that.

Yeah. I kind of need to be there.

Because you've got that committee.

Well, the women's office, I'm part of that, and they can want their members there. Yeah. So I kind of need to be there. I'm willing to pay for mine on the way. And of course, I pay for my own lodging. But if the city can cover the registration for the conference itself.

OK, so we need to find out registration costs and then we'll go from there.

If the city can register me as soon as possible so I can get the lodging. As soon as I'm registered and I can make rent through the room. And they don't have very many of them.

Yeah, if she wants the... I need the ADA. For the, thank you, ADA, then she needs to get registered now so that she can get in the ADA. Otherwise, there usually isn't any.

Publicity has also worked with us reserving her before we paid the registration.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

So I can show and reserve her just in case. Thank you. So we have to research.

I can pay my own way to the Plum Prince if I absolutely have to. It's that important, and lots of people know about Dayton now.

Well, I think it would be nice if we could all go together at least for a day. That would be fabulous. So if there's a way we can figure that out, then let's do it. That would be cool. So, yeah. Okay.

And, well, we have an old-timers festival coming up in National Night Out.

That's right. What are you doing? Her brothers.

What's the budget for that?

We did much more than budget for the national night out. We did already advertise for it in the first straight news. We just needed your commitment to work.

Okay, what is this?

We always have her or not. Yeah, I'll be here.

And then the staff can just do the shopping.

Yeah, I'll just, I'll leave it there.

Pretty much a repeat of last year.

Yes. Well, we did last year work great.

We're doing it in the big park, right? Yes.

It just worked out better there. The big park.

That's the main park. It's when I say the big park, it's city park. The city park, yeah. Courthouse Square Park. Courthouse Square Park. i'm sorry but we can't water the part if we're going to tell somebody they can't water their own damn lawn and i'm not about to do that i don't i don't it ain't happening there's no way but i'm going to be married forever so do we need i'll still come back do we need to reach out to lou to see if we can borrow this for real we were just talking well i know it's going to be used last yeah and i'm sure you'll be be happy with this

Do it again. Yeah. And a lot faster. Okay. Well, I'm going to take that one home. Otherwise.

I don't know because I'm not doing the planning for the old timers. Okay.

Well, there was no volunteers to plan for it. What?

And we don't have volunteers. We can't do everything.

There has to be somebody down there in line. Somebody sign people up at the last minute if they're not signed up. Some people line people up. You've got to make sure you line them up strategically because the horses don't like to be around the loud cars and so on and so forth.

And I'm not good behind the horses.

And now that we are midway through July and seeing that the old-fashioned festival and all these other festivals are going on, we ain't going to have a parade. That's always been a thing.

They still have the firefighters. Yeah, we'll still do the barbecue.

No, we'll still have the barbecue. The firefighters barbecue will still happen. And the people will still meet in the park for their, you know, their reunions and stuff. We just won't. This year, we won't. I'm afraid. And when people complain about it, I promise. So anyways, does anybody else have any more comments? I see three guys. I got one more. Oh yeah.

Okay, so I really appreciated Judy's comments and I was curious if it's possible for like a non-voting seat at the table for anything, whether it's TLT or even the URA, like meetings. If we is our urban renewal district, you know, really focuses a lot of downtown if it's possible for them to be on those meetings. I'm just curious if there's more possible pressure. We do have our liaison, which is wonderful. I was just curious if, you know, like, you know, president or vice president, you know, specifically DCEDA, like, centric, would also be able to have a seat at the table on Broadway 58. No worries if not, if that's too, you know, tricky.

I think because it, as Jeremy explained it to me, that the Urban Renewal District, we can actually use some of those funding for some of our infrastructure.

Yeah.

And I think ultimately that would be best use of our funds at the moment, because we can't have our businesses if we don't have the infrastructure to support our businesses. So I don't think it's a bad thing to do maybe some small things for sure, but I don't think we should be promising a bunch of money.

Urban renewal and... Because it's got things in here.

So it's not, you know, yeah, I just, I mean, I don't mind that they come in and voice their opinion, but I don't want them to think that they get to tell us what to do.

No, I'm going to remember.

Yeah, you can see the board speak.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. This is just football. Any of it's like, no, we can't do that. No problem at all. But I mean, we just need to caution ourselves just a little before we talk to you.

Just a quickie. It seems like we need to have a special meeting, a work session on the water situation sometime pretty darn soon. Yeah. Yes. Do you want to put that together now? Okay, cool. Because it sounds like we've got to make a decision. Yeah. I leave in a week. When do you leave?

21st.

I leave the following. So we need to do it within the next week.

We could do it in one day.

Yeah.

I was wondering if you all wanted to just add it to your August 3rd. to make sure that Jenny has adequate time and GSI has adequate time to get all of the information.

We have a late agenda on the 3rd, so it might- So we made it by 5.30 for work session and then maybe, well, actually 5.30 can only work for some of the working people.

That doesn't mean 6.30.

Yeah, 6.30.

After a place that's been arranged. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Oh, right. So I'll entertain a motion. I think that we adjourn. So move 736.