City Council - Regular Meeting

back from Boone County. He's a superintendent of schools who requested this change and so I told him we would go into the agenda and start doing legislation and wait for him to get here so he can speak to you all before you all make your comments known. So he'll be here in a few minutes. He's coming back from his daughter's volleyball game, I think. And uh we'll hear from him and from you when he gets here.

So, so, so Mr. Wolf, who wants to speak to the city regarding the traffic changes that he's looking for on Fifth Avenue. Uh so, uh we'll give him the the grace of taking care of his daughter's uh sports activities. And when he comes in, we'll we'll deal with that. So, the agenda is going to move a little bit. Uh in the meanwhile, we'll go ahead other than that particular item on the agenda. Uh we're going to go ahead and open up the podium for public comments on anything else that is on the agenda. So, if you have anything you'd like to speak to city council and administration on the agenda that does not partake in the fifth street one way, the podium is yours. I don't

Yeah, there's another comment period after this. Yeah, that's not on the agenda. Yeah, you're out of order now, sir. That's all right. We We're all friendly here. You know that. Uh so, if nobody has any comments about tonight's agenda other than that, we we'll proceed until Mr. Wolf gets here. Uh, first on the docket would be the first reading ordinance 2025-4, Miss Klein, please. An ordinance amending chapter 38 of the City of Dayton Code of Ordinances titled Code Enforcement Board to update the ordinance to provide more clarity to organizational and regulatory requirements in the ordinance.

So, uh, I met with city attorney Alex Edmonson and code enforcement director, um, Casey Patterson about our code enforcement ordinances which have been in effect for many years. But some changes have happened in the statutes. Some things that we are doing in practice are not reflected accurately in the uh ordinance. So we felt that we needed to change it to make that clear that what we're doing is covered by ordinance and that we've incorporated the statutory changes that have made since our ordinance was passed. Haven't changed anything regarding fines or anything like that. That all stays the same. But I sent a redline version to city council so you could see the actual changes. This version just has it being repealed in its in entirety, but if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

Well, this does expand the code board from three members to five members. That's right. So, you can under the statute, you have to have a minimum of three, but it creates a bit of a um a quorum issue and when somebody's missing. So, we felt we would move to five. We already have two alternatives on there, so it won't be a, you know, we've already got the people to do it. So, we just want to clarify that we have five members and not three. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Again, this is just a first reading. Next on the docket is first reading orders 2025-5. Miss Klein, please. an ordinance amending the city of Dayton, Kucky's annual budget for the fiscal year running from July 1st, 2024 through June 30th, 2025 and estimating revenues and resources and appropriating funds to the city for the city to the full extent authorized by KRS 82082 and interpretive case law.

I'll defer this to assistant city administrator Jared Barks. He handles our budget. So Jared as far as this. as a result of the audit that took place.

Any other comments from council regarding first reading order 2025-5? All right, this is again a first reading, so we'll have a whole month of stew on it. Uh, next up is the order resolutions. Uh, first on the docket would be order resolution 2025-18 Romeo. Miss Klein, please. An order resolution declaring city-owned real property located at 2075th Avenue, Dayton, Kentucky as surplus property and authorizing the mayor to sell or otherwise dispose of this property as permitted under Kentucky law.

So, this is uh this order resolution. The next two are all kind of related. Um there's a developer named Josh Crawford who Cassie and I have been meeting with over the last couple months. Uh we've heard from city some city council members that we have these empty lots and are we trying to sell these to somebody that will come in and develop them and we've changed our zoning code to allow for what's called infill housing that kind of matches up what's in the neighborhood. Otherwise, it made it almost impossible to do infill housing. We did that a couple years ago. So, we've been looking around trying to find a developer that's does good product. And Josh has done a number of rehabs in the city. He's also done some new builds. So, couple weeks ago, maybe a month ago, Josh and I took a ride around the city, looked at some of the empty lots we had. And um and also, he's given me some he gave me some uh address where he did new builds so I can check those out. And we looked at a property at 507

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I'm sorry, 2075th. Uh that's where wants to do his first building. There's a when we get into the next um order resolutions, you'll see some design plans for that building, interior and exterior. Um and he's here, by the way. I asked him to come in case you all had any questions of him. So, this one's just declaring the property surplus. So, uh the other ones talk about the details. We're selling it to him basically for what, um we um have it on the books for the PVA for the assessed value. The good thing is we're not making any taxes on it right now. We sell it, he builds a nice house and we start getting tax revenue on that. But before we sell a property, we have to declare it surplus. And that's what this this particular order resolution is doing. So what we're doing is declaring it surplus through economic development reasons. And that's a statute allows us to do that because the reason we could put it on the market and anybody could come buy it. Um it's empty lot. It's not worth the whole lot by itself. The problem We have no control over the development. So someone could get that property and just sit on it for 24 30 years, which some people do, or they could come and build a structure that we really don't like. It's not consistent, excuse me, with the neighborhood character or up to our standards. We felt the best way to do this was to use this economic development provision in state statutes to sell to them for its appraised value, assessed value, and then have control and have a development agreement with them, which is another item here. to talk about and to require him to do certain things. So, but this one's just declaring it surplus. I throw a lot at you. There's three different issues here. I'm happy to answer any questions.

I have a question. Yes. So, the house is adjoining these empty lots, not just this one, but whatever. Do you notify those owners that this is going to be we are going to be releasing this property and if they want to have a double lot, here's your chance. Uh, no, we didn't. We would prefer to have it developed as a residence with the value. So, we did not notify them. As a matter as a matter of record, Ben, when you and I first got on council, this same property was donated to the city. Yep.

By Katherine Hamilton hit a previous resident and we offered it at that time and I think that $6,000 which was the PVA at that time to the neighbors and one of the neighbors said that he wanted it but my understanding is that sale never went through for some reason. So, was offered for sale previously and that's probably what 12 years ago. That's been a minute. Yeah.

I think it's a better practice from the city's perspective in terms of finances to try to put development on there. It brings in revenue to the city. Empty lot, $7,000 for a lot doesn't really bring in a whole lot of revenue. This house, I think, would be between$200 and $300,000, which would generate a lot more revenue for the city. Well, you also have included, just to clarify, um, in the next ordinance 2025-5, if the project is not completed in a certificate of occupancy issued by the Department of Planning Zoning, uh, within before December 31st, 2026, then it reverts back to the city. So, it's not just that we're selling this and he can just sit on it. He actually has to build on it and get a certificate of occupancy. He has to be done by the end of next year.

The developer the developer does. Yeah. I just think that if I was in that position, I'd want that lot. I would too, but I don't I'm not willing to build a house on it. And many others would like to buy the lot, too. But they would not build a house on it. We'd still have an empty lot there. It would be empty. It would be one of the neighbors. As I said, that was offered to those neighbors. Not that specifically, just as a policy moving forward. We have these city owns. I would want it. I'm just glad we're getting rid of another city owned vacant lot that we have to maintain, right? Cost us money to maintain.

One less lawn to worry about. Okay. So, is that then your policy going forward with all owned city lots is we will not offer them the public. We will not list them. We will find a developer and we will be looking to develop that property and making it as tightly spaced infill as possible. Not my policy. I'm just following the policy of the direction I've gotten from council members. They want us to try to sell these slots, you know, and get them developed. You know, that's what I'm following. But no, if there's a lot that doesn't really is not buildable or uh it's some reason someone doesn't really seem like wants to buy it for development, then sure. Why why not sell? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah.

All right. My question is uh about the developer itself. So the developer come to us to ask for this property or do we go to them? He came. We I don't know. Cassie, I don't know. Josh, why don't you go? Where are you at? Josh is a frequent flyer. Come on up here. Why don't you go up here and answer question? I think it was kind of mutual. We I told Cass we were looking for developers and she said he'd done some good work and I I can't remember how got started. I think it was more of a mutual thing just being at the sheriff sales. Yeah, that's right. A mutual thing. Wasn't

and so Josh has done some good work. Yes, he's inspected it and you know we're happy with it and this is a a test run. He wants to do more properties. We said we're going to do one and we'll see how you do on it and if it looks like it works out and we're also willing to sell to other developers who want to come to the city. So, um, you know, we're willing to, you know, get take the best offer we can get. So, but this one we wanted Josh to try it out. And it's a nice location. It's not a real big lot. It's kind of tight, but it's going to work, I think. And, uh, we can talk about the development agreement here in a minute, but I want you just stay up here. If you vote on this one, then we got to talk got to approve a development agreement and then we have to sell the property to him and authorize a deed to do that. That's the next two orders. and resolutions.

Well, for this point, this is just declaring that lot surplus, right? And if you decide not to sell it to them, still surplus if you want to sell it to the next door neighbor or third party. In that case, I'll make the motion to approve order resolution 202518 Romeo.

So, member Ner has made a motion to approve 2025 18 Romeo. Do I have a second? So moved. So moved by member Jud which opens up further discussion council administration any further discussion regarding this ordinance. Um I'm sorry I didn't hear the very first thing that you said. So you you met him because he approached the city interested.

We we so Cassie and I go every foreclosure sale in the city. Uh, one, if we have code enforcement means, want to make sure we get our money back out of that. But we also, whenever someone buys a property, we give them information about the city, explain to them they have to get rental licenses and they have to get occupational license and all these things. And we also give them information. So over the course of time, we've run into Josh quite a few times there at the sheriff sales,

sheriff sales, and we started striking up a conversation about, hey, you have properties for sale in the city. And we said, yeah, we do. So that led to me driving around with him about two weeks ago, two months ago or a month ago and uh we um looked at about probably a dozen properties maybe and this is the one he decided he was interested. Are these all vacant lots? All vacant lots. Any other questions for uh Mr. Crawford? I have one more question. the vacant lots. How many do you have?

Well, we've got a ton of vacant lots, but some of them are tiny little areas, some are um flag lots, but those that are available to develop probably I would say 10, maybe 15 at the most, but some of them are really bad areas, deep hills or high hills. So, I would say 10 or probably 10 out there that can be developed. Some are really small. They have to have the right size structure on it. So 10 to 15. If there was a person that lived on either side of the lot, how would they find out that they could buy it from the city?

I mean, they they probably they it's an empty lot. They probably have already maybe looked into it. You go online, you can see exactly who owns property by going to PVA. Okay. Our our our name is on the ones that we own. Okay. Any other questions uh for administration or Mr. Crawford on this ordinance? If not, we'll move right along with uh we have a motion by member Neri, second by member Jud. Roll call, please. Miss Klein. Member Levens. I. Member Horton. I. Member Ner. I. Member Neman. Hi. Member Kelly.

I. Member Jud. I the eyes have it. Take circle. Next on the docket is 2025-19 Romeo. Miss K client, please.

An order resolution authorizing the mayor to execute a development agreement with JAC Developments LLC to construct a new single family residence at 2075th Avenue, Dayton, Kentucky. So this is the developed room we discussed. Um council member near is correct. There is a requirement that he construct this building by the end of next year. We do have a provision that can get six months extension if you can show good cause. So um but at the minimum one year and at maximum it's a year and a half and if we doesn't have a CEO by certificate of occupancy by that time then the property reverts back to the city and he waves the $7,000 he's paying for it as a liquidated damages we would keep that money

and that was the only question I had on this uh if an extension is required for whatever reason supply chain etc U that extension can be granted by administration or does that have to be approved by city council? That's administration. Okay. All right. This is where my question comes in. Um I'm always worried about competitive bidding. So as much as I do appreciate um that he's willing to develop um I do want I would like to see an opportunity for this to be open to others to also bid on the property.

Yes, that's uh we can do that. The problem is if you do public auction, like I said, someone get the property and just do nothing with it or build something you don't want. So, this gives us control over how you develop the property. My experience in Cington, that's what we did. And it was a much better process than just letting somebody buy the property was you have control over how the property is done through your development agreement. And and the development agreement on the back of it shows you this the structure. It looks like it would be very nice in that neighborhood. So, but I understand your concerns. I guess we can maybe find a hybrid that if you bid on it that you have to get in a development agree with the city, but something we can talk about.

Yeah, that would be my preferred route. I agree. With that being said, I'm against this ordinance or this order. You have an opportunity to vote against it in which we haven't actually done the proper protocol. Do we have a motion to accept 2025-9R? So moved. Nar's made a motion. Do I have a second? I'll second. Who was that?

Chess. Member Loveven had a second. So now we have any other comments or conversation regarding this ordinance. I kind of understand where um Councilman Jud and Councilman or Councilwoman Neman is coming from. But with this particular one, I think we should just move forward with it and then open it up for the next 10 properties that we have. You know, why hold this up? Let's see what it's like. We've got the first right or is that first right to get it back if it doesn't develop within a time that's fair, you know? So, see what we're I mean, it doesn't seem like any kind of ill dealings going on. So, why not just try this one and then we have 10 other properties. We open that up to other developers because Dayton's hot right now. We can probably market it to get some developers in here. So, that's just just my thoughts on it. It doesn't seem like it's a bad deal. So, I'm going to go with that.

The only and I understand your concern. The only problem is when you ask a developer to come in and they want to put the money up to sign the plans and Mr. Crawford did that. I said, "I'm going to do this. you show me what you want to do. So, you might might not get as many people as you think if they know they have to design a property, pay the pay a architect to do that before we approve it. So, you we'll have to work through all those issues and I I think there a lot of people probably don't want to do spend that money up front. They don't know they're going to get the property. So, that's gets complicated. Well, I think as you said, this also serves as a template, right?

Moving forward, almost all of the city owned lots and Jay, you sent out that list, I think back beginning of the year, maybe send it out again with updates on it for other properties that may have been added. Um, the fact that there is this commitment to be done with a certificate of occupancy, meaning it is done rather than sitting on an empty lot. Uh, I think that is a a great model moving forward. In fact, you know, we've got some foundations down on Manhattan Harbor that haven't been done. There's no time limit on that. So, the fact that there is a time limit, I think serves the city well. Uh, serves the neighborhood very well, too, because you could get some absentee, you know, one of these uh banks from out of state that buys uh lots like crazy and doesn't do anything to them, and we're chasing them to get the bill for the grass cutting done. We've got a firm commitment here on this and and the pullback that we could take it back and we don't lose any money on it if it's not completed as planned. So that would be the difference as Jay said between putting it out there for bid and this particular proposal here.

No, I I don't disagree. I I just don't want to get in the habit of playing favoritism of some developers over others without the opportunity of that going out. So, was there at any point that we posted saying we're welcoming developers for this site? We I've actually taken several developers around. This is the first one that's ever that I haven't actually put anything on the website about or anything like that. Like I said, something we could talk about when I try to do that.

We could do a big tour and just bring a bunch in and see if they, you know, they are interested. But I think it'd be nice to do this as a model to see how it works and how we work through it. That's why I've suggested it. And infill is a really tough gig right now. Everybody wants green field so they can come in and do a subdivision

to get actual in individual lots with public sewage and water and everything. That's we need more housing all over the place. This is a great example of doing that I think. So, when you gave the example of, you know, instead of handpicking the developer that you choose to have this lot, um, you know, you don't know who's going to come in, right? Isn't that what you said? Know, well, it's just like selling anything. You don't know who's going to buy it and what they're going to do with it.

But if you had like 10 offers and you're five offers and you're looking at the offers and you're thinking, "This one's questionable. No, no, yes, yes, yes. Three of these. Okay, we're going to pick this." I mean, you would still have the autonomy to to pick. Well, it depends on the terms that you would have and the validity of the person who wants to buy it. Yeah. I think I think we should have some oversight. Yeah. You would dismiss the ones that you didn't find viable. You would dismiss the ones that you wouldn't find viable. Correct. Yeah. So, so to put it out there and have some competition in the bidding, why is that dangerous?

Well, I'm not saying it's dangerous at all. In fact, I pushed for as Jay and Ben both know I pushed to get these I know that part. It's this other part. You've talked to multiple developers. You've had multiple developers come through town looking at these properties and this is the only viable one that you found. Correct. So far, this is the only one. I have a few others that are say they're interested. They haven't gotten back with me. So,

so in this case, I'm trusting administration that they've done their due diligence on. It's doing infill housing in urban areas is difficult because you don't know what you're going to get into once you start building your foundation. There could be old foundations there. It's just an expensive a lot more expensive than you said like green fields. So, I don't doubt any of that. It's that why don't we put it out publicly and if we have three responses that are that are

Well, I think we're talking about doing that in the future. I I we wanted to go with somebody we trusted. we know does a good product and then we'll work through doing it to you know the general development community if that's what you all want to do. I'm happy I'm happy to do that. Y

any other discussion regarding 2025-9 Romeo? So I've had a motion by member Ner and a second by member Loveven. Roll call, please. Member Jud. Nay. Member Leven. I. Member Horton. I. Member Ner. I. Member Nean. No. Member Kelly. I. Your eyes have it. All right. Moving right along. We have order resolution number 2025-20. Romeo, Miss Klein, please.

An order resolution authorizing the city of Dayton, Kentucky to sell real estate located at 2075th Avenue to JAC Developments LLC for $7,000. This directly coincides the last order resolution. Any you want to explain anything more? No, it just basically authorizes you to enter into a deed with the LLC to sell the property. All right. So, do I have a motion to accept 2025-20? Romeo, I'll make the motion has made the motion. Do I have a second? I'll second.

Second by member Kelly, which opens it up for comment, questions, concerns from council. Any further comments, questions? Just regarding the due diligence comment that was made before, do we have any type of evidence that we've had other developers look at properties around here? I mean, I talked to I talked to other ones. Okay. I mean, yeah. Yeah, we we do talk to other developers regarding who are the developers, Jack. Toby Mavis one and then um I remember his name right now.

Okay. I'll get you the name. Okay. Question for Mr. Edmonson. Since this is less than $10,000 valuation, it could be an administration decision. Correct. But it's a it's a good decision, especially on the heels of the other two resolutions and ordinances or that you've already but surplus property valued at $10,000 or less does not require council to approve.

Understood. Any other questions, comments, concerns regarding 2025-20 Romeo? Roll call, please. Miss Klein. Member Kelly. I. Member Jud. Nay. Member Leven. Hi. Member Horton. I. Member Ner. Hi. Member Nean. No.

The eyes have it. Thank you. Yeah, that we're in a stride. We're in a stride. J, uh, next up is going to be order resolution 2025-21. Romeo, Miss Klein, please. an order resolution accepting the bid of Pruise Construction Company and authorizing the mayor to enter into a contract with this company in the amount of 2,288,997 for the construction of phases two and three of the River's Edge Riverfront Commons project in the city of Dayton, Kentucky. So, Mr. Faucet, please.

Yeah. So, this is a uh very good ending to a very long long and arduous process. So, phase one of this project was done in 2020. Um then of course we're in the middle of uh the pandemic at that time and we uh had designs for phase two and we sent out advertisement for bids for construction of phase two. I think that was in 2022 and because of the pandemic and some other issues they came a million dollars over budget for what we wanted to do on phase two. So we didn't have that money budgeted. That was only So most of this money is coming from a federal grant. It's SNK grant. So 80% of this money comes to federal government. We have to match 20%. When the million dollars came higher than what we expected, we didn't have that budgeted for it. So we had to go back to the drawing board. So we went back to OKI, which is clearing house for federal funds that all the governments have to go to. and um we requested more money and they awarded $700,000 more. And then we have Mike Jagger uh revamped the design plan. He talked to the to the contractors who bid on it, found out what their headaches were and he uh tweaked the designs, value engineering they call it, so that he got rid of those headaches. The good news is we finally after working with uh and then phase three then got designed. So we talked with that uh Kentucky State came and said, "Can we just do phase two and three together uh instead of doing it sequentially?" And they said yes. So, it took a little extra time and KYTC is notoriously slow on some of these projects, but we finally got their approval a couple weeks ago. Uh we put the bid out. The bids came in under budget. So, we had two bids. Both were under budget. Unfortunately, the one bid was a little bit less, but they did not

pre-qualify with the state of Kentucky as a contractor, KYTC. So, KYTC said they cannot qualify. So, we're going with Puce, who actually did phase one, a very wellrespected concrete contractor in Cincinnati. And uh this is for 2.2 million. 80% of that is federal money we're getting through KYTC. The 20% we've already budgeted. It's in this budget. um the budget we approved last months or two months ago and it's been there for a couple years quite honestly. So we are finally be able to use that money we've set aside for this project but it will finish the entire trail right along the river and then uh we'll have a total three mile trail that goes on the upper trail on top of the levy here and on the lower trail. So this is uh to authorize uh us to move forward with this. KYTC still has to sign off uh on this. I think so far down the road I think we're okay there, but um this is our approval of this contract and once KYTC says it's good to go, we'll enter the contract. The hope is that they can start this fall, do a lot of the ground work, and actually do the construction this spring.

Motion to approve order resolution 2025 21 Romeo. Dang, you didn't member Jud's on top of it. Love it. We have a motion to approve. Uh I have to look at my notes here. Uh 2025-21 Romeo by member Jud. Do I have a second? Second. Second by member Horton. That opens it up for discussion. Anybody want to discuss uh SD1 involved in this also?

So SD1 uh wanted to use the trail to bring their trucks down. So, we sold them. If you want to do that, you're going to put thicker concrete. And so, I can't remember the amount, but I think it's they're going to pay us $250 to $300,000 to put in that thicker concrete so that their trucks can use that use the road. So, that will go into this project. So, SD1 is paying for that change to the original plan. That's correct. Well, the original plan always had them doing it, but uh we had always had agree with They were going to pay for the extra concrete. Understood. But we still got to wait for KYTC to I think give their final Yeah, they did the final stamp. So,

we have a motion by member Jud and a second by member Horton. Do we have any other comments, questions, concerns for administration? Just a long time coming. Good things come to those that wait, I believe, I've been told. Miss Klein, roll call, please. Member Neman, I. Member Kelly, I. Member Jud. I. Member Leven. I. Member Horton. I. Member Ner. I. Unanimously. That's amazing. Jay, that's this makes us the first, right? What's that? We're the first to complete. Once it's done, we'll be the first to have the trail completed in our community. Well, we won't between us and Cington. They're they're I think they're going to be behind us.

They're always behind us. Uh no offense, Mayor Washington. Uh, well done one. Well done, council. Well done, administration. That's amazing. Good job. Well, mayor, I also saw the agenda for Belleview's council meeting tomorrow night, and on their agenda, they have uh whether or not to purchase the property at the end of Banky Way. Yeah. Which should they do that would connect to our property on which would complete that loop for the riverfront trail. I hope that that works out for for Belleview because it's an very important piece of this puzzle.

That's also why you have your meetings on Tuesdays and not Wednesdays. You get stuff done first, right? Well, well, heads up for them. Uh, well done council. Well done, administration. Uh, next and last in the docket would be order resolution 2025-22 Romeo. Miss Klein, please. an order resolution of the Dayton City Council expressing its commitment to improving kindergarten readiness in the city of Dayton and working with partners to establish a place-based early learning initiative known as Read Ready Dayton.

So, there's a group called Educate NKY which is involved in trying to improve the outcomes of children before they get into kindergarten. The studies show that if they aren't reading at some level and um by the time they get there, they're going to be behind. So, educate NKY is working with all the school districts and the cities in Northern Kentucky to try to promote this program. And I have a representative from what we come up here and talk a little bit about your program. I did injustice there. So,

thank you. Thank you, Jay. Uh, thank you, mayor. Thank you, city council members. U, my name is Jenny Watson, and I am vice president of early learning and family power with Educate NKY. I'm a lifelong educator, uh, teacher, uh, principal, assistant superintendent. So, I'm really, we're really studying a lot of research regarding what is it that makes children successful in schools. And a lot of new science has come out from Children's Hospital, um, from other entities, St. Elizabeth about how important early learning is, uh, family bonding, attachment, uh, opportunities for, um, really structured learning opportunities before they ever set foot in at five years old. And actually, there's a new statistic I think is important. 90% of a child's brain is developed before they are five. So, it's really impactful. And, and in our society, there's often not a an agency or an owner of that really prenatal care through age five. So that's what Educating KY is here to do as a nonprofit is to kind of try to fill that gap with some resources and funding, but really we want this to be city-led. So the fact that we're here tonight and the city of Dayton is saying yes, we care in order to have a vibrant ongoing community. We care about our children. So we're going to put the emphasis in that and then educate NKY will partner with Jay and the team to from a committee to figure out exactly what resources we want to pour into this project. So, the resolution is really just saying that we commit to this and it's a priority

and they're not requesting money from us. In fact, just the opposite. They're going to bring money into our community to help make this happen and we're partnering with the school district, Rick and his team. And this was a very successful program that was done in Coington. Yes. I think they were the thought leader in this early on. I think uh Newport is now approved and Lo's considering it as well. So, Um this is all um part of your all's mission. I know you have other mission u missions in in your organization, but I know this is important one for you guys. Yeah, it is early learning matters and u that's what we're here to do. Any questions, comment?

I know Mr. Wolf's here, the superintendent for Dayton schools. How does this dovetail or match up with any other programs that DISD currently has?

Come on up here, Rick, because they can't hear you on TV if you don't come up to the microphone. Yeah, this is as many of the words that I would harp on is if we get kids in kindergarten at 5 years old that have not had early childhood experience. It's like starting, you know, Jenny starting the race in Belle and we're racing to Newport and I'm so I don't have those early childhood experiences. This what I feel will allow all of us city and school all be on the same page like hey let's let's find where are the children in our city zero to three where are they how can we work with parents how can we work with families how can we work with everyone involved how can we work with businesses how can we work everyone in the city to say hey we're all in this together because the more right now we're at roughly 54 55% of our kindergarters when they get to us deemed kindergarten ready based on the ass that that score is okay that's not good I want 100 right and and the schools by itself the city by itself can't do it so we have all this together so in support of this this was one of the first steps was bringing it to the city council and then the next step would be bringing it to our school board pass a similar resolution as well. Those are my thoughts on that.

So this doesn't overlap with anything you're already doing. It fills a gap,

right? Because right now, you know, we have a hard time determining that something we have, you know, I use the example, I think it was two years ago, our kindergarten kindergarters at the end of the year, an assessment we take is or reading fluency assessment, 88% of those kids at the end of kindergarten were reading at or above grade level. That same assessment we gave that same assessment at the beginning of first graders of those first kids that number went from 88 to 66% because we had seven kids enroll in first grade who had never been in preschool. So once again they're starting way behind start. So doing this will just help us tremendously just a before they ever blessed. Can you give us an example of like if you find a ch found a family that's in need, how would you could you give us run example how you can access early that support that child that

So you have volunteer team that will go to the families and they would have to go how would you find them in the first place if they had I'm over here if um if they hadn't been in school yet.

So a lot of that is it's going to childare providers. It's finding families who Maybe a mom is staying at home and has two or three other neighbor kids in her home. It's trying to find those people and again like Valleys had a baby. You may not know that process. So again, that's just one example called the ASQ question. to say what is your child to help us find if I can add too I mean our firefighters our police officers and social workers work police officers and code enforcement we have contact with these families a lot so we can also help provide information to identify those individual

and I would like to make a comment Lincoln Elementary does a fantastic job. For example, my daughter's a senior at Dayton High School. Now, at one time, Miss Gina Bird was many years ago. Faith is my only child. Gina came to me when she was three and we put her in that program and from day one she is above in her reading and has excelled from day one. and she's a senior on her second year of college classes. She's never hit anything below a B, but she has beat every expectation in reading. And that was at one time Gina was at Lincoln and they have been promoting it, but I put my daughter in at three and she's going to be 18 in October and graduating. So, Lincoln has always done an excellent job doing that. what she just said. Um, so I put I so I put her in that program. So what's the program called?

Read Ready. Read Ready. Okay. So you're looking for kids that are food insecure that are healthcare insecure, insecure in general. You're making sure that they've ma had contact with the education system before the age of five when they show up for kindergarten, which is mandatory. So you're look and then you give them books. they go to the school when they're three.

I would describe it. It's more so education opportunities and experiences. So, it's not like a a pamphlet that I would just hand over and say, "Here, just do this." Right? I think a lot of first time parents um I can use my my siblings and in-laws like I remember when they had babies one of the first things I sent them was a a screenshot that says the number one predictor of how well a child does on the ACT is if they're read when they're a child and that's not five seven and eight that is 01 two a lot of times we think oh the baby's just sitting there not understanding what what I'm saying books and I just it's no one's fault. It's just I don't I think a lot of families don't know. So, it's getting that education and information out to families.

So, it's it's having a pamphlet and telling them you should be reading to your kid before age five.

Well, it's that but it's much it's more than that. It's it is some other like readington. These are things that we'll work with the city on like they have in their parks they have um multi-purpose boards where you can go to and scan stuff and you can read stuff. So if I got my little daughter with me, we can walk let's go to the park and let's look at all the different pictures on the wall. We scan and we read it together. So it's a m it's a multiaceted effort. It's not like one thing. So I do think that's what a lot of people although reading would be extremely beneficial. We just told as soon as you have the little one and you're holding it in your arms and it's a day old read. If everybody would do that, well, that would solve a lot of problems, right? But that's not realistic for all families. Sometimes that baby is the fourth one and you're trying to take care of everybody else. So, it is a multiaceted approach so that everyone can be on board and know the importance of how important those early are. So these kids have been identified and you reach out in some way and then you make contact with them like every month or something. So local purchased purchasers provides a little bit of data. get

from that social system comprehens.

I' I'd like to cut this off here and say this is amazing. It's a no-brainer and I'd like to move to approve order resolution 20252. I know that you like to cut things off. But she's come here to explain a program that I've never heard of and many have and all the details will come later. Okay, then say that. Yeah. But I'm actually interested. Yeah. And maybe somebody else is. Let me know how I can help. I appreciate your interest. No, I don't want you to help. I want to hear the expert speak without being cut off every time. But that's fine. Fair enough. And I appreciate all parties. I appreciate the question. You know what I mean? There is not a like we said it's it's not a one-stop shop. It is a multiaceted approach.

I'm trying to identify what exactly goes on in this program. Just interested. Right. Yeah. And it is hard to u there anecdotes and this and that. I'm just saying the kid has been found. What happens between the time you find the kid till the time the kid goes to education? It's vague. It is. It's very vague. But but it's like uh So like many moons ago it was ABC learning. So Faith had no disabilities but she was my only kid. She's never been in daycare. Social skills she was a school years ago and but parts like this it was some kind of grant. So she got to go to Lincoln at three for four hours.

Graduated preschool three times but that's all right because it was part of the program. But it was ABC learning at the time. I And I think it all Yeah, it's kind of okay. I'll be interested to hear it as it progresses. And I will say there are a lot of families, not just in all over that don't realize that preschool.

When we do we do ice cream truck deliveries throughout the city and and every every year, I bet you we've been doing it for three years. I bet we find five or six little little ones and we're let's say Joe comes out the window. We're like, "Hey, how old's that? How old's little Joey?" He's like three or four. Has he been to preschool? No. Why not? I don't know. He just doesn't know. Right. So, that's the first thing. Did you want to cut him off? With that anecdote, I'll second the motion. Okay.

Which opens it up for conversation. I thank Educate Northern Kentucky for bringing this to Dayton. Um, we do have uh some tangent people moving in because now Dayton's a great place to live for your kids because of the school district and stuff. And yes, it is very valuable to have the reading skills going into the school district. So, thank you for bringing this to us. Yeah. I'd also like to say that I volunteered at Lincoln for the reading program for a year and I'll probably be doing that next year. is a very valuable program.

Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Uh we've had a motion to accept by member Jud and a second by member Neri to open us up for conversation. Uh any more conversation regarding this resolution? Yeah, I just wanted to clarify this is a program that's coming into town. How what is the objective? How do you find the kids and what specifically happens? I want to make that clear what I'm I am not chatting. I'm not going on and on. I really want to see what they're doing with these kids. Okay?

They're building partnerships. Like for an example, they reach out to me. I run housing authority and so as I move families in I check that age and here you go here's what we offer here in the city and that's how we all and I'm assuming that's what this program is to now bring the city involved so we all are on the same yes okay if I understand I think that's what we're doing building just the partnership

yeah we're we're just saying that we are all in this together and I think the school knows that that Uh we're all in this together. Uh I'm a huge fan of prek. Uh I know we're pushing on that on a state level. So uh we'll do that later. But uh tonight we have the motion to accept 2025-22 Romeo. A motion to accept by member Jud. Member Ner is seconded. Any other comments? Member Nean. What? Um I am I don't even remember what the heck we're accepting. What are we accepting? We're accepting it's a resolution of ac uh of acceptance. Basically saying that we support this.

Okay. I mean we're not it's Yeah. It's a member a motion of support.

Roll call, please. Miss Clint. Member Ner. I. Member Nean. I. Member Kelly. I. Member Jud. I. Member Levens. I Member Horton. I Your eyes have it. Mr. Wolf, how was your daughter's event?

Great. How'd you do? Good. Good. Good. It's That's just life, man. But uh well, we're we're about to discuss uh your request. Sure. Let me give a little background about how this mayor.

So, we meet every two weeks with Rick and his team uh our staff uh just to work together with the city. How the city schools work together? How can we improve our parks, things like that? What can we do with terms of construction going on? And it's good. We have a really great meeting. A lot of cities don't have that connection. Their school district, I think, is really important. They didn't have in Coington. Some other school districts, I don't think. had it in the past, but we have a really good relationship. So, a couple weeks ago, he came to me and said, "Hey, we're getting ready to start school again, and we have concern about safety on Fifth Avenue, and I have an idea, and I'm going to let him talk about it." Um, and he said, and I said, "Okay, well, you know, let's talk mayor about it." And the mayor said, "Okay, well, it's going to affect people who live on Fifth Avenue, so I think we need to have a public discussion about it." And that's why you guys are here tonight. So, I um posted some notices last week, let people know about this. And so, what I want to do is have Rick kind of explain what he's requesting. We have an image here to show you a little bit. And then I think we let the public have their comment time after that. You ready, Rick?

Good graphic right there. I do love that. The field looks the best on all that. So, like I said, I apologize for being late. I do appreciate I do want to reiterate uh what Mr. Faucet said. Um, I've not heard I've talked to many superintendents. I've not heard one superintendent ever say that they meet with their city uh officials on a regular basis. And so it's more so uh I know here in September we're going to have like a working meeting together. I'm super excited about that just to hear priorities. Um and just as I said to them, you know, we're the two largest Oh, I can. Yeah. I'm sorry. Hey, Rick. Maybe if you pull the mic up closer to you. Pull the mic up closer. Yep. There we go. How's that?

Better. All right. I hear you fine, but back in the back.

No, I apologize for that. So, uh, one of the things, you know, the city's been fabulous to work with and and we talk about all things. What how can we make um all of Dayton better. That's the goal for our kids in our community. One of the things that um we have been seeing with Fifth Avenue is with parking angled the way it is two-way traffic sometimes with our kids whether it's at um not necessarily drop off because we block it off and it's one way heading towards St. burned. Um, but at pickup, cars come down both ways. Um, and then at I'll say unstructured events, so every night at 6:00 when 21st Century gets out, so we don't really have any admin or anybody out there to direct traffic, um, kids are sometimes darting out into the street. Uh my concern with the new field uh coming into play is the bottleneck that would occur at the corner of Fifth and Clay um as people are heading down Fifth because the way that cars currently park, you back out and you're forced to go down Fifth Avenue um to Clay Street. That's also going to be the direction that all the rest of the traffic is coming um from the field. We also have the parking lot on the side of Lincoln Elementary School um which all of them are trying to get out as well. Some people are turning right. If they go to turn right and a car is coming down the opposite direction, they have to wait. If they turn left, that causes another bottleneck. So, I just brought up to the city officials the potential of making that one way heading towards St. Bernard just to get their thoughts. And that's why I'm here tonight is to get your thoughts to see if that was a possibility. Um, like I said in our morning drop off, we block the street

off so cars have to come that way. Um, kids get out of the car and and I think every school maybe in America does it that way. Kids get out of the car right onto the sidewalk. There is no way I would ever approve kids getting out on the other side of the car and running around in front or behind cars. Um right now when it's light out in the morning is one thing, but January here here soon here in a couple of months. Um sometimes kids get out of the car and they run. They don't run away, they just are running to school. So if they're getting out on the opposite side, the side of the houses and they run around, it's it's sometimes scary. We have about 15 people out there every morning just to make sure, you know, I'm grabbing a hand and I'm handing them off to somebody else. So, that's all I talk to the city about and and throw it your guys' way. I'm happy to answer any any questions. Um, by no means is Rick Wolf an expert at city streets, right? I wouldn't even say I'm an expert with kids. I love kids and and I feel like I do a decent job with them. Um, but I'm just throwing it to you guys just to get your thoughts and opinion and I can answer any questions you may have or do my best to do so.

Thank you, Mr. Wolf. Sure. So, that that's uh Mr. Wolf and and I I imagine you speak on behalf of the school independent school system. Yes, our Yes, I do. our elementary um administration is very much on board to the to this. They could not be here tonight, but they're very much on board. That's that's that's fair. Uh so he he asked that question uh to the city and and it is our decision whether we we do these traffic pattern changes.

Uh so uh I know Mr. Faucet reached out via flyers on doors to all the neighborhood and I I've received some emails. I've received some calls uh some stop you in the middle of the handsman and want to talk about it kind of things. Sure. Uh so and then that's what we like. We like we like public discourse. Uh so Mr. Wolf, if you wouldn't mind standing back and having any chance for anybody to want to approach the podium to discuss your thoughts on this and uh how it might impact you or maybe you want it.

Mayor, mayor before we start just just a clarification on your proposal or request here. Are you requesting that Fifth Avenue be turned to oneway westbound 247 365 or only during school drop off and pickup times? And and Mr. Wolf, please approach whenever we're speaking, we got to use these microphones. Sorry about that because there's people at home watching and stuff.

I I understand. Um, so that was what I initially talked uh with the city about. My my biggest concern is um drop off pickup any event that we have um just the bottleneck that it will be caused at the corner of Fifth and Play Street. So if we could force traffic that way towards St. Bernard is because as they go down there there's going to be say 20 to 30 cars parked um right next to Lincoln Elementary School. There's going to be 20 to 30 cars parked on Green Devil Lane and then any car I don't know how many spots are on Fifth Avenue. Um all of those cars if they were all forced if those 4050 people are forced to go um I guess that's westbound. I'm terrible

toward St. Bernard. Yeah. Towards St. Bernard. Yes. Towards St. Bernard and then they can turn right on Barry and go right here or they can go down continue down Fifth Street or they can turn left and go on the avenue. Um, those are my main those are the main concerns. Well, currently I believe they go eastbound to drop off the kids. Correct. Towards Clay Street. No, they do not. No. No. So that's the that's the current direction of drop off. That is and really what the only ch and that's manned by you put the signage up. School district employees put the signage up during pickup and drop off hours. Mhm.

But all the other times it's open to two-way traffic. Mhm. Okay. But you're requesting the city change it to per all the time. Yeah. The Rick question with the new football field. Will that be used for football during football nights, too? That street or pick up, drop off, whatever. No, that will not be green. They'll be parking on Green Devil. What the half of Greenevil parking in Lincoln's extra lot. There's 20 to 30 Okay. spots there. Um, so those spot and then anybody obviously if there's any open spots on Fifth Avenue.

No, I mean traffic. Will traffic be coming down Fifth Avenue onto Green Devil Lane during football games? Will there be drop offs or anything there or is that all going to be out on Clay and and we are going to block off Green Devil just to the officials and school officials? Okay. Okay. That's what I need to know. Okay. Gotcha. Yes. You need to come up to the mic. Can't hear you at home. Yeah, make sure you use the mics.

So, in other regards, you're going to force everybody to park in front of our houses whenever, you know, during school time, u during games by shutting down Green Devil Lane just for officials, during sporting events. We have like 20 spots down down Greenevil that we will there's officials um there's media personnel like right now we block off well at Davis Field we blocked off right across the railroad tracks and that's where all those folks would go. Um now we're not on game nights we're not going to force them to park on Fifth. We're going to have u Lincoln Elementary lot. A lot of people are going to park down here by the high school. Um, we're just blocking those 15 to 20 spots off for those folks.

How many more parking spots are you going to have in the new parking lot you just did? You know how many maybe there? We will have roughly 60 spots um right in front of Lincoln. So, there's the the lot that the city owns right next to the high school and then the other lot that we purchased which both of those have roughly 30. Okay. That's Well, again, Mr. Wolf, what's the problem with the way it is right now uh that we're trying to address here? That's kind of why I'm here. I mean, you can ask him all you want, but I've been there for 20 years. I've lived there. Hold on. Do we say names and address anymore? Mark Dan, 714 Fifth Street.

Appreciate you.

I've lived there 20 years. I'm speaking for a lot of the people that are here tonight. Um, I live directly in front of the doors to elementary Lincoln. Um, they block the street off at about 7:30. All right, we know this. Everybody that's a resident there knows that they block the street off at 7:30. So, most of us try not to leave until 8:05, 8:10 when all the kids are in the school. Um they block the end of the street off over by Barry so no one can come in in the afternoon, but we're the only ones that ever asks to come in because we're going to our homes. That's the only time that anybody ever comes in the wrong way unless someone else lets them in. As residents there, you're changing our whole traffic pattern, our whole livelihood, the way we've lived for 7:45, 7:35 till about 8:05 in the morning and then from 2:45 till about 3:05 is the only time kids get picked up. So, you're want to change everything around for almost an hour and 15 minutes a day, not even a full year. for what 180 days a year that they're in school. But you're want to change everything for every resident that lives there. It's bad enough half time we can't find a place to park in front of our houses because they got teachers that park in front of our houses, which we've all dealt with that for years. It's a bummer. It's terrible. And they don't have no consideration either. I've sent emails. I've sent texts. I've talked to them. They'll send out a thing. So, he won't park there for a couple days. After a couple days, they're back there. Then you you get tired of sending stuff. Um, but the the traffic pattern is not a problem. I've never seen I've been there 20 years,

never seen a kid be hit. Never even seen an instant where they're almost hit. All the residents know the only thing they got to do is keep out the people that don't live. It's not It's not It's not an issue. It hasn't been an issue for 20 years now. They're making an issue out of something I think that's not an issue. It's just our opinion. It's everybody's opinion. It's not just mine. Otherwise, we wouldn't all be here to voice our opinion. How many signatures did you get on this? Uh I think there's 548 58. There's no there's no total. Okay. Yeah, there's like 58.

And it also affects St. Bernard's. I mean, it don't just affect us. It affects everybody that goes to St. Bernard's church, too. And the way they deal with the things they do, their different things. So, how does it inconvenience you if he gets what he's asking for? Any of the kids? No. How does it inconvenience you if he gets what he asked for? Because I have to go around the block every time I come home. It's It's just too convenient to turn left at Barry and pull right into my house. Mhm.

Then they want us to all back into our street instead of pulling in. It's just it's it's not fair to the residents. We found out five days ago that this was all happening. This wasn't brought to any resident. Not one time was it brought to any resident's attention, which I think was kind of wrong. The Mark, that's not true. I I brought it to your attention and and also we made sure that we put posting on on every door. The school has not brought it to our attention. Thank you.

The school has not brought their attention. I live right across the street. I see the principal, the vice principal, many people every day of the week. Not one person said, "Hey, what do you guys think?" I think it's just a courtesy thing that I mean, we live there. You know, ask us, you know, maybe we can give you an opinion or or hey, will you guys please not come in during these hours, but no one's ever, you know, did anything for us as far as ask us. And it's nothing against the school. I'm totally supportive of the school in many ways. I just feel it's not right for them to change a traffic pattern for a whole 360 days a year for 180 days for an hour a day. That's just my opinion. It's a lot of people's opinion. So, I'll let let it go that let other people.

And I mean, when you approach uh name and address, please.

Yeah. Uh my name is Nick Betting House. I own 726 Fth Avenue. And I think Mark uh pretty much voiced for the most part, but I I want to know what the school board thinks is uh going to be the smart move because I work 5 until 2:30. I will be home right around 3:00 when everybody is trying to pick up their children. If we do this right here, I'm going to have to wait in the school pickup line and then throw my car in reverse and then expect everyone in the line behind me to back up and give me space to park. I I don't think that that's any safer of an option. Everybody knows throwing your car in reverse is going to be severely limited if, god forbid, somebody were running and not watching where they were going. There's too many blind spots if you're trying to pull into your house. It's It's significantly much more unsafer. Sorry. That I think my point has been made.

Thank you. Do you you understand what I'm saying, right? Yes. Okay, cool. I think so. Thank you. The thing the way you'd have to accommodate that would make it a more dangerous situation than the situation that exists right now. You use your words much better than me. Thank you. Okay. I'm Trish Mesman. I live at 6274th. Um I am I worked in the St. Bernard office for nine years and now I volunteer at the St. Bernard Pantry and with St. Vincent Depal for St. Bernard. Um it's only going to be from Clay to Green Devil Lane. Right. All the way to Barry.

All the way to Barry.

Okay. I work at the pantry. So, I guess my concern is um it's always been a problem. It's been a severe problem with parents who want to drop their kids off coming through the Berry Street driveway of St. Bernard and coming out the driveway on the dog leg. They're a fifth or vice versa. But the problem I have is they race through there. They want to drop their kids off. They park in the whole area between the buildings of St. Bernard. Um there's the pantry going on. People are getting out of their cars to get groceries. Uh I'm worried about if they're coming through there, they're going to cut through St. Bernard because there's going to be so much traffic that they're going to want to cut through ours so they can get to Barry quicker. Um, I've seen kids almost get hit in there because they race through and don't stop. We have people getting groceries. We have old people going to church, people walking back and forth in that whole area constantly. And now they just park in there because the parking is more limited. So, they'll just park all over in there. They'll park in the driveways and go pick up their kids. I've had this problem for a long time. And I'm worried there's going to be less places for them to park to get their kid. Um, and it's just really an issue that they've now come up and they park in the grass over heading toward the fields. They actually just pull in and park there. I've had to ask them to stop parking in the driveways, but they just say, "I'm picking up my kids." And they don't move. But it's just a real problem. And I'm worried the traffic without it going both ways is going to make up come more into those driveways and cause problems and more parking in there where we only have I don't know six parking spots. So they'll just come and park all over and then with the pantry they'll block the people trying

to get in there and pick up their food. And then can I make a comment for you? Um and if we was to close that off and make it a oneway It's going to become an issue because I live right next door to her. If there's a funeral. Oh. And you that whole street right there, it is blocked off with the hearse, right? That whole p it is what it is, right? So that means you're now going to make it very complicated for one way in and one way out only, right? Because you'll have the main quite a bit, right? And the families will park.

Correct. Funeral and at that time you make it only one way. Yeah. That's just very difficult with it's going to be a mess. Right. It is currently one way at pickup and drop off hours. We do it 24 hours 365. That was my previous question. Correct. And everyone has accommodated to that one hour in the morning and that one hour in the day and it seems to work. But I have a gentleman that has worked with me and if he doesn't get out of that house by 7:30, I know not to expect him until 8:15 cuz he can't get out of his house to come to work. Right?

Vice versa. You either leave your job and get home by three or you're not leaving until after three to get home because we know that 15 20 minute delay. But to do it all day every day, I think it's going to cause a bigger issue for others

only being one way. It's going to slow down um cause more of a congestion I think coming through there. Plus all the people that are going to, for some unknown reason, come through the driveways of St. Bernard in between the buildings, it's going to back up there. And I have had people come up the Berryside driveway to get their food and they can't leave. So, they have to do a dangerous turnaround where there's other people getting their groceries and kids leaving school who walk through there and then they have to walk down the driveway and people are it's just chaos and very dangerous. So, I think it's just going to get worse with less uh I don't know. I think people are going to use it more, the driveways more and make it more difficult just coming through there. I think it's just going to get worse and limit the traffic. So, they're going to want to come into St. Bernard Park and it's only this big, you know. So, that's what I'm thinking.

I've got a question for Mark, Mr. Donnelly. you you've been living there for 25 years, what's a good solution for you? What would be I mean, if you're the expert here, what would be what would be the good solution for maybe the Dayton Independent Schools District could get a little bit or I mean, what could be a good happy medium? I don't see where there was a problem before.

Like, like I said, I've been there 20 years. I've never seen a kid even close to being hit by this whole issue. I they're I think they're creating something that's not there. Uh they put cones out so that the other traffic could go the other way. To me, the cones are actually more in the way than they are to help because everybody's trying to avoid the cones and they're scared both ways. Yeah.

Maybe give a something to put on your windshield or something like that so you they know you're a resident that if you're coming the other way, you're the only one out. All the residents know to watch out for the kids at certain times of the day. I'm the one that Jess was talking about that if I wasn't gone by 7:30, I wouldn't go to work till 8:15 because I didn't want to leave, you know? I mean, that's just how it was. I just always waited. And most people do, but there is times you have to get to your house. I mean, you have no choice. And most of the time, I still try to get there by 5 till 3 before the kids actually start walking out.

That's the reason why I asked you. I had written down like resident parking passes or maybe code enforcement could get involved with it you know like that could give you know we could there's that's why I asked is there anything that we could possibly speaking that would be super thing to think about though a resident parking pass because there's 24 spots and there's 16 houses 24 spots 16 houses all listed as private principal they got the vice principal everybody's got their own special spots over there. You know, they got their names on them and everything else all highlighted ready. That's their spots. We none of us have any private spots,

but they all got private spots for the principles and everybody else. Is there any way that we could like I mean this is just a suggestion that we could come together you guys come together as a committee and then we could get work something with Dayton schools that is viable for them and viable for you guys because you guys live there and I'm just I think that you guys should have say in the matter you know what I think the residents would be okay as long as they didn't shut it off full time. Yeah. Like I say we could be like school time to 7:30 to 3. Actually, everybody's gone by 3:00, but I mean, you could actually drive through there at 3:00.

So, 7:30 to 3 one way, maybe if you give us resident parking only. Resident parking only in that area.

And Terrace, that is a good question. And I huge alumni. I live on Fourth Street, so I'm a few houses away from this corner. I also work on Clay Street. I love my school. I love my city. I have spent 17 years in that pickup line. To be fair, those parking spots in front of their houses should be designated for residents only. And I know cuz I'm the queen of sending the same emails. You know, I love you, Wolf, and you know, I love Brewer. I have the same issue. People do what they want. And as residents, homeowners, there is no parking. And unfortunately, no matter how many times you yell, your teachers park there. I could do it all day long. I could give you plates if I wanted. So to be fair on both parts, because I love school. I love our residents. I have driven that line for way too many years. All of that, all of the parking spot on Fifth should be residents only. There should be no teacher whatsoever. Each one of them line it up. You don't have that sticker. They should be towed. And then on the flip side, to be fair, they're already dealing and accepting with you close it for 40 minutes in the morning, 30 minutes. And the same if there's an event, they would accommodate it because on the flip side, we've protected them by letting them at least park in front in front of their house. And I know we all say, "No, no one's going to do this." I've lived it

and I still live it. Well, the way he's got it set up is the one way. If you come home and the pickup lines are sitting there, you have to sit in the pickup line. Them lines can be pretty long. I'm not sitting in that line. I tell you right now, I'm going to throw my car in park and I'm walking to the house and that car's going to sit there. I'm not going to do it. And I don't think any of our other people really want to sit in that line. It's that line because the biggest problem I see a lot of times is when cars are sitting in that line, once they get their Joe or their Johnny or their Susie, they want to go around the car in front of them.

That's what they want to do. So they want to get their kid and they want to go around. Well, you are supposed to sit and wait in that line. I did for years. Well, I didn't cuz my kid walked across the street. But it's dangerous. You know what I mean? So once they get their kid, and if you make it one way, that allows them to be able to do that. It's still dangerous. You're not wanting us to come this way, but you wanting once they pick up their kid to go around them. That's just as dangerous as two-way traffic. Now, Mr. Darling, can I ask you a question?

Okay. All you want. If the city made every one of that residential parking and so that you know you're always going to have that parking spot which is an ease. Let's say 7:35 hits and it becomes turns into a oneway for a very short amount of time. They probably would be okay to wait an extra 3 minutes because they at least know they're going to have a spot. Right now it's a race between time because they don't have parking spots. They now have to try to beat the crazy parents that's picking up the kids and then what are they going to do? They're going they line up and take every parking spot and it becomes chaotic.

Would it create a problem for the guy? Like he said, would he have to back into his parking spot if it's a oneway or would he horrible? You ever seen my wife back up? It would not be good. Your best off just leave it the way it is. But you know what I mean? Like if we gave a certain portion because they've already suffered enough. I know cuz again Okay. What about changing it to the one way all the time instead of the what? What? That would not be fair to the residents either. So to I think everyone to win. I am Am I correct? That's what he's asking. That's what he's asking for is one way all the time. And all we're asking for is keep it the way it is and give us resident parking.

Okay. Mr. Wolf, I had a question. Um I don't know if you have to get in front of here, but he said there's never been an accident with a kid and this is not dangerous. We haven't had any issues in 20 years. What What has changed that you're requesting that we make this change? That's why I said this is not bothering me at all. This happens all the time, right? This is good. Um our I know it is an inconvenience. You know, it is an inconvenience for the citizens living across from the elementary school during those drop off times and pickup times. Is it true though there there have been no accidents or I don't know. I don't know that. Uh, you know, I've been working in the district office for

15 years. Okay. So, why are you asking for this change? So, our our big concern, one of our big concerns is with the additional traffic that will be coming towards into Dayton um at events, just all the traffic like if you, like I said, if you're parked in the lot next to Lincoln, if you're on Fifth Avenue, if you're on Green Devil, if everyone's heading that direction, uh and maybe it's something that we that we wait and see what happens. Events like the new football field. Can you like that? Like football? Yeah. When I brought this up to the city officials, it wasn't like, "Hey, let's change this tomorrow." Like, it was just a discussion point to bring it up. It was a conversation.

It was just a conversation. That's all it is. It's It's not that I'm like, "We this needs to happen before school starts tomorrow." No, I I just wanted to bring it up for conversation and discussion and see um how things work out. And may maybe we try one time to um August 29th, there's going to be maybe more people at the Dayton football game that's ever been. Maybe we work with the city and have police presence and make sure that night that it's one way going that way just to see how that helped traffic. I'm I'm open to suggestions. Totally different ball game. One night thing is no big deal. You make it one night because of a game. I'm okay with that. The residents would all be okay with the one night thing, but you're want to change it

360 days a year, 24 hours a day, which we don't feel that's what we don't feel is right.

If if I could if I could jump in here and I know that there's other people waiting to talk also. And I I figured since your names were on the petition, you have the same feelings about this. We're not going to vote on this tonight. All right. Um, school starts tomorrow. You've got new people dropping off kids. You got kids that don't want to get out of the car because they don't want to go back to school. Uh, Green Devil Lane has changed since last year. It's going to be a major snafu. And especially in inclement weather when it's raining, uh you get people trying to uh get their kids out of the car right out the door. They won't get out early. I I've been down there a couple mornings and afternoons watching. Um and now we have the football stadium down there, which is, as you said, going to be an events issue. We hear about the complaints about where's the parking now. Um, I think we need to wait a month at least to get through the opening of school, get through the first couple of home games of soccer and football. Everybody's going to want to go to the new football stadium at first. It's going to be nuts. Um, I don't think we can make any decision here tonight, but what I would suggest is to consider the residents down there, the 24 parking spaces, uh, and how it would impact them. a 247 would be a a definitely a negative impact. But I think all of us need to consider in the next month, do we take this on? How can we help add extra resources down there to control the traffic? We've already spent a lot of time and money. We got Route 8 moved. Instead of coming down Clay to Fourth Street, now it goes down to Main Street to Fourth Street to get it away from the school complex. We spent a lot of money on sidewalks on Barry Avenue between 6th and Fifth. Uh we've made Sixth and Barry a four-way stop to encourage kids to

walk to school more to reduce this traffic problem. Um I would like to propose and again if you want to give your two cents, I'm I'm perfectly willing on that. But we're not going to vote on this tonight. Okay. I would like to hear from I want to hear from them. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was just say I would like to hear from the residents. They've taken their time to be here, so I'd like for them to speak their piece. Absolutely. Name and address, please.

Howdy. I'm Wes Y. I live at 502 Clay Street. That's on the corner there of Fifth and and Clay. Um, so yeah, when I heard about this originally, I thought you guys were going to direct traffic the other way because that's the way all the parking is. Um, and when they signed the petition, I was like, "Oh, I'll sign the petition for the traffic to go the other way because that makes sense. That's the way you pull in, that's the way you park. I get you don't want the kids hopping out of the car and running or on running around the car, but you know, it's just the way that the streets designed right now goes the other way coming home. If you uh you know, you turn left there and then it's two rights, which is much safer instead of trying to go left at Handsman and then a left onto Fifth Avenue across two really busy streets. A left turn across traffic is always a little bit more dicey. Um that's where accidents happen. and I live on that corner. I've seen accidents happen. Um it's a busy street. I'm glad I didn't know you guys changed Main Street about that. It'll be nice. Those trucks going all the time back and forth. So, um but yeah, it's just uh and then throw on top of that like having to back into your spot every day instead of being able to pull in. If we were to do this, you need to reorient the parking spots in that case to go the other direction, which feels like it's kind of a pain, but yeah, that's my two cents.

Thank you. Thank you. Name and address, neighbor.

Ben Baker's neighbor, Carol Boyami 4216, and I'm a parishioner at St. Bernard. And I appreciate all the neighbors coming here and bringing this to our attention. We just found out about it Friday afternoon and it would affect the neighbors significantly, but also would affect all of the the parishioners at St. Bernard. I mean, we have two accesses and we have very little parking and as Trish had said that most people come in from the fifth street entrance and go out the Berry Street um exit and the pantry would be very congested doing doing it the opposite because then what if someone from the uh east side of Dayton comes to the pantry and they're coming the one way they want to do it and come up the fifth street driveway but the west side people are are forced down Barry and come up the other then there's collision. So that that's very hectic. When we have deliveries, we have semis coming for our fish fries. They would not be able to make that turn fifth and into the green devil and turn around to turn around to go back. It it just would be terrible for for our lent and fish fry deliveries. Uh like you had mentioned for funerals, funerals would be terrible. The parking is already bad. I mean when I know this this council isn't for the parking, it's for the direction. Parking is a whole other issue. And I think the school board has created this whole problem, their own problem by cutting off Green Devil Lane because that would have been a thoroughfare to alleviate some of this traffic. So they've created this congestion problem and they want to put the congestion on the residents by making it better for them. I just think it would be a safety issue and inconvenience to make that call one way.

Thank you, ma'am.

Yeah. Paul Myers here, 8076th Avenue, Dayton. Uh, I'm kind of echoing what Carol said here, too. I'm St. Bernard. Uh, matter of fact, uh, you guys got warnings. Route 8 in front of my house before I even knew it. They were putting up signs. Uh, I don't think this is a 247 thing. I think it's a give and take thing. Maybe they do need some leverage in front of the school for pickups and stuff. I know the city got a lot of COVID money. I think maybe some flashing lights that maybe Fifth and Barry like during the times of drop offs and pickups to keep people from driving down that way to keep it one way just for the drop offs and pickoffs times that they alert cars from not going down that way just for a period of 15 20 minutes whatever to keep them from going down that way. That'd be all you need. This isn't a 365 day thing you know really it isn't. I I I I suggest you vote nay on this thing. Uh Mr. Wolf, I What part of town do you live in here?

I do not live in town. Huh? I do not live in town. Oh, so you don't have to live here with us. Oh, okay. Uh so that may be one element to it, too. You know, we have to live with I've been in this town for 40 plus years, and this is I've never seen anything like this before. It's worked without without an accident before I've ever seen. My kids went to St. burner. But I never seen any kids from Lincoln down there ever hit her the high school either. Thank you. Vote nay on this. I'm up here knocking on wood every time someone says that. So, let's quit saying that. It's my last thing. I promise. Can we put that up to a vote or something like that about the parking about maybe making it a residential parking? Can you put that out for a vote tonight?

I think we should I don't I don't know. I think we need to do some research on that. I I think Mark, it would be prudent to to let council think about that more. It's on the table just in the last hour. You got it now, right? So, it's on the table. You guys will talk about and discuss. Yeah, we can talk about it. Yeah. Okay. You want to add new business and you want to add this as new business, making that residential parking under new business? I got to tell them that I want to make this new business of adding residential parking to Fifth Street between Clay Street and Barry. I will put on new business that council discusses and brings it up next time. Thank you. Yes, sir.

We we would also have to put in place enforcement, fines, coordination with police, etc. before we would roll anything like that out. Yeah, it's not it's not as easy as we'd all like it to be. Can I ask a question to the residents? If if we did like approve like residential parking, would you guys as residents be willing to do like a roving parking uh me parking attendant during school hours to make sure the parking roads smoothly? I mean, that could be something that we could work out to like you guys get paying for the parking attendant. There really no way.

No, volunteer. No, they would volunteer. Like if we would if we could potentially give them parking permits, could they as residents come together and do volunteer uh parking attendance? They volunteer their parking attendant time. I've seen it work in other communities. That's the only reason I brought it up where the res where the residents would do the parking attendance for the during the time of the pickup and the drop off for the te the the students

from and they work it out agreement with the Dayton school independent school system and work it out with the residents and you guys come to a happy medium. That's what this is and to me that's what city this I appreciate all you guys for being here because leaving a decision up to us without having your input we don't know where to come from. We're just gonna I mean I would just went with the city I mean with the with the Dayton school system but you guys being here makes a a big decision a big difference but it's going to be up to you guys to follow through and not just say hey this is what we want. You guys will have probably have to come through with some action yourself.

All right. Anybody else? I I don't think we're going to make a vote on this tonight. I think we all have a concession or is a conversation. Uh the school has made their recommendation and what they would like. I think the the residents of that neighborhood have made their their point clear, the church and everyone else. So, uh we got some time to mull over it. we have some time to to watch uh what happens in the next exciting few weeks when we're opening up the new uh uh stadium. So, would anybody else like to address with any new ideas or anything else or or or Yes, sir.

David Halbert, 718th. Uh in my opinion, one of the biggest solutions for the flow of traffic that they're requesting would be to take their sidewalk out that's currently there. Um, right now it measures, I think, like 15 feet wide. That's how wide the sidewalk is on the city or on the school side. You take six foot of it, flip it to the back side where they're getting ready to remove all the trees. You pour another lane of black top down that side. That gives you three lanes of traffic coming down Fifth Avenue. the students then could come the one way that they're requesting and then that still leaves you your two lanes of traffic for the residents that live there.

Okay. So, you're suggesting that they remove portion of their sidewalk portion of their sidewalk to make another lane. flip that portion of sidewalk that they're removing to the back side of the sidewalk that is currently there. That would still give them their way over 15 ft of sidewalk that they have. Well, that's a that's a big I understand that's a substantial move. That's that's different than changes signs, but but if they're if they But you're offering different ideas. Yes. if they're looking for the safety of the children. Okay. Well,

that would give them their leeway and not affect everybody else also. Understood. And I appreciate bringing new ideas. And not to drag this out any further, but Mr. Wolf, how many kids at Lincoln ride in the front seat? A lot. Even though they're not supposed to be. So short. Because my thought was why not make it eastbound and then get out on the passenger side in the back and that doesn't interfere with it. You have it closes one way. Do not enter it. Clay, pardon me.

No, just during school hours during pickup and drop off. I think the 247 is off the table. You must not know what the shotgun rule is, bud. Pardon me. You must not know what the shotgun roll is. Uh roll is shotgun. Yep. Who can get to that front seat?

That's Yes. All right. Any other discussion regarding regarding this? Obviously, this is not something we're going to move on tonight. I think we're uh we're deep into a discussion on this, which I love. But is there any other comments, thoughts regarding I think we all know where we stand. All right. Well, Mr. Wolf, I appreciate. Hey, what else you got going on this week, Mr. Wolf? Senior sunrise. School starts tomorrow. School starts tomorrow. Senior sunrise 6:30 on the football field. I think you know we're all green devils, buddy. have no breakfast, sir.

As I just said, I think we we all in this building, in this city, in this zip code, we're all green devils and we all want what's best for the kids. Uh and and we'll we'll work together. That's what we do. All right, moving right along. Uh we're going to do department directors monthly reports. It's been a long night, so we're going to go ladies first. Miss Patterson with code enforcement, please.

If anybody needs a restroom break or something, we can we can take a a three or four minute break if anybody needs. We could. All right. Cool. Just want to make sure everyone's taken care of. All right. All right. You have a copy of my report. Um, also I'd like to um let you know that Bill as so far um All right. So they can hear you on the YouTubes. All right. S.

So you have a copy of my report. Rental inspections are um moving along. He's done 79 so far. since it started back. Um that's about it really. It's it's um grass is growing. Grass is growing. Grass is growing. Yeah. Happens to all of us. Yep. Does anybody have any questions? Thank you, Miss Patterson. Any questions for Miss Patterson?

Thank you. I asked Miss Patterson earlier because something came up on Facebook in the past two days questioning about who's responsible for cutting grass and getting dirt from the fire hydrants and the fire chief is going to do a little he's got he's got presentation with colors. He has a presentation. Great. Thank you. Yes, it is. So, we could let him go next. Well, any other questions for Miss Patter? I did have one for Is the sidewalk coming down from 10th a code thing or a public works thing? What do you mean the condition? The condition? Yeah, the stairs. Oh, the stairs. Yeah. You mean like planing it or

uh there's some broken poles. I'm wondering who's in char. Rick's going to talk about that. He he's contacted me solutions. They're putting together a a proposal. Great. Okay, Cassie, I had a question um over here. I want to um the people having their dogs go to the bathroom in the Gillan Park is becoming a big problem. It's something maybe we could work on in the next 30 40 days like um coming up with some kind of order. I know it's a problem. We do have So, we do have citations for that. Unfortunat Unfortunately, it's really hard to catch them. How is it any way possible we can incentivize the residents to turn people in? I mean, is that is that is that something we could do? I don't know.

We really have to see. We do have cameras. Uh we have to see whether they're focused on that area of the park, but we can maybe, you know, use cameras. We got to catch them in the act. And it's really, you really can't have people turn Yeah. at evidence on somebody else. I've a couple when we first got the citations, I went down a couple days like super early because I know Rick had some complaints

and I don't know if they knew who I was or if they were just kind of like leery, but they did pick up, you know, their dog feces. So, it's kind of it's it's tough. If you see them in the act, then I could write a citation, but without seeing them actually doing it. Are there a lot of garbage cans down there? And their doggy bags. Okay. So,

these are residents just letting their dogs go and they're um using the bathroom in the park and then there's football practice afterwards and the kids are having to navigate themselves around that and the geese. I mean, so it's just I mean it's unfortunate situation. And I know it's temporary, but you know, it's kind of when you see it happening in the act, you know, and you don't want to say, "Hey, I'm going to tell on you, but I mean, it's Yeah. I just want to know if there's something we could do or something that we can maybe team up with on getting the word out there that it's a a crim not a criminal offense. It's a findable offense." We do have that. Okay. We probably probably ought to put a signups down there. I mean, people are using that as a dog park because it's all enclosed chain link fence. Yeah.

And so, we don't really have a dog park in the city. So that's kind of the de facto one. Now eventually we cracked down on Mona Park. Uh right. Oh yeah, that's Oh, you weren't talking about Monument Park. They're talking. Okay. Right. Right here. Right here. Are there dog bags down at Gillin? I don't think there are. Are there? Are there? Okay. Yeah, we got some. Okay. I mean, actually on the foot on the baseball field is what I'm talking about. Like where the football where the kids practice football. That's the area of concentration. I mean, I'm seeing it myself. I'm seeing the chatter from the parents. I'm seeing the actual kids having to practice on it and I know that there was a a effort for Monument Park that worked out well. So that's why I was asking the question about Ginland Park if we could like do a push to get that. Sure. Okay.

Sure. Yeah. And we can alert the um the police department also has the citation so we can kind of keep let them keep an eye on it as well. I'll send out an email tomorrow morning and kind of just let people know that you know keep an eye out there. Okay. Thank you. What did you say about monument in parts? You say it's a de facto dog park now because of the fence. What happened? No, no, no. He said this is starting to be a dog park because of the fence. Okay. Yeah. But we did have a problem at Monument Park as well. Like you know when Rick would cut it, it would be gross. Are there bags there? That's gotten better now. A lot of people walk their dogs along the trails and they go down there.

Yeah, it's a problem in every every public space. Every park, every public space. Yeah. Uh, not every not every public space has kids playing football and that's the only reason I wanted to raise awareness. I mean this is a not I mean I get it every every place has it but these we have kids hundreds of kids down there playing too. It's just you know like it kind of just has to be an example by a community members themselves as well. Like, you know, if people are always picking up after their dogs, you really stand out when you're not the one picking up after your dog, right? And, you know, that tends to go further. You know, then, you know, like she's saying, you can't necessarily catch somebody for a citation, but you know, your neighbor can give you the stink eye.

Yeah. And that will cause you to pull that bag out of your pocket. Maybe we need a poop cam with public shaming. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Patterson. Uh Tony, I know you look like you're ready to roll, but she called it. So, I'm just going to Chief Schaefer. Uh first of all, I want to you know, we had a we had a a fire today down on Fifth Avenue. Yes.

It displaced a family. There's some folks in the hospital and I was uh I was there after the they're putting it out. We have a we have a great team of of firefighters that that take care of the families here in Dayton. They do a good job. And uh thank you for your work today, sir.

Don't think thank the guys. It was uh it was pretty amazing. I think it was less than 20 minutes from the time we got the call till the bulk of that was knocked down. It wasn't an easy one to do. So, um we got guys I mean they train every day. They take pride in their training and this was an example of why they do it. So, you know, the outcome wasn't what everybody would have wanted. That was before we got there. So, you know, our thoughts definitely go out with the families, but thank you. Thank you, sir.

So, with that being said, everybody has my report. Um, just real quick, last month we made 187 responses, uh, seven inspections. Once again, our training, we're um cumulative. We're over close to 1,200 hours of training so far this year. Um we have two new paramedics. One's a firefighter EMT already. Uh doing his prerequisites for paramedic class next year. Logan Nance, he's uh then new one firefighter medic Steve Knuckles. Actually, yesterday was his first shift, so he got trial by fire literally. Um but no, he's they're both completed the orientation. They're on shift out on the streets doing great. Um we're working with Newport Fire Department, the training center. We have down on Third Street. They have a spot there by their old uh salt barn on Sixth in Wildcat. We're hopefully Monday we have that scheduled. It should be moved there. So we're going to go make it a joint venture on that. So, we work together, train together, and it's location's perfect for both of us. So, that that's exciting. We're looking forward to doing that. And then, um I don't know if anybody everybody's aware or not. We did end up selling our boat. We got out of the boat business. Low Fire bought that. And so, that is now theirs.

It's the best day of your life, right? First day and last day. That's right. The day you buy a boat, the day you sell those.

But no, they're they're excited to have it. We're excited for them to have it. So, and then so now with that, I know there's been discussion of fire hydrants. Um, and for the record and going on record, I have not received one call, one question from anybody other than a few council people and nobody from Facebook or anybody like that has reached out to me. Um, but I just a lot of people in talking to a few people, they weren't really aware of some what the issues with the hydrants. Number one, the fire hydrants are Northern Kentucky Water District's fire hydrants. They're there as far as the water district concerned. Those are plugs that they can flush lines and keep it running. They allow us to use them for fire hydrants. They go, Northern Kentucky Water District flows them and tests them twice a year. That being said, we as a fire department have no obligation to do any of that when you see us out. So, we'll go out in the fall after they do their flushing in the fall and we go and that's just to make sure they're ready for us. Um, we spot check hydrants to check the flow on them. Um, all of the hydrants, we're the ones that put this little stickers on them. The flyer I handed out, people weren't aware of what the colors of fire hydrants meant. We we just take it for granted and think everybody knows that. Uh so this is you know this shows you what the colors mean that are on the the caps of the hydrants. Water district doesn't do that. That's up to us. So we we check the flows. We go put the caps on and what we're doing in the fall after they after they flow them. We go back and we check them and make sure that they drain. All hydrants are supposed to self drain. If they don't drain, we pump them to make sure that we have hydrants that work in the winter time. The ones that still after they're

pumped don't drain, then we we give the water district a list and they they service and take care of them. Um, and on top of that, we study I mean, we have a list and we study what color hydrants are where. And I know the one hydrant that's in question is up off Dayton Pike. Um, and yes, it is very low to the ground. Um, been that way for several years, but it's still functional. Um, at the end of the day though, it's a red hydrant. That's going to be a last resort before we use that anyhow because there's not enough water in it. Like I said, it shows a red hydrant is anything under 499 gallons a minute. Our hand lines, people don't know, they they flow 185 gallons a minute themselves. So, this this a red hydrant doesn't do much for us. We have plans for that. We'll come down from Rose or Chateau if we need to or, you know, we can lay up from seventh. I mean, we we're aware of this. But even with that being said, we only use the steamer connection in the front and the hydrant that was the issue that they're considering low. It it's not ideal. It's not perfect, but it it can still be used by us. That hydrant every year is touched three times. Twice by the water district and once by us. and we have a good enough relationship with the water district. If if it was a blue or green hydrant that was a priority, we would call them and it would be fixed tomorrow. It's they we've called them, they know about it. Um it's not a priority to us and it's not a priority to them. It works if we need it and there's more important. We would rather have we still have some two-tip bourbon hydrants. People don't know what those are. There's there's still three or four of them. I mean, we we would rather have them replaced with a a nice 5 inch connection that we can use and they work on that as opposed to these. But at the end of the day, just a little history or little lesson on what fire hydrants are

and how they work and and what we do with them. Um, I don't know of a specific law. I've tried to look. I didn't have much time as far as what you're obligated to take care of. At the end of the day, if there's a hydrant in your yard or in your area and we need it, we'll get to it. And if we have to if we have to spend five minutes with the shovel getting to this hydrant, that's five minutes more your house is going to burn is at the end of the day. It's kind of it's kind of an up to you. Um, you know, we're not making anybody do anything. We're not asking anybody to do any extra work. if you would like to keep that easily accessible for us that cuts down on the time for us getting water to our trucks and you know I don't think there's any mandate anywhere mandating anybody do any maintenance or anything under hydrant and if but if there's a hydrant in the city that you see that you know you don't feel call the department we these are we want to know this and you know if if it's not the answer you want that we looked at and it's fine then call back and we can have another discussion but we be more than happy to go look at hydrants.

Other questions? That was an excellent education. I had not known all the different color coding hydrants. I did not know this stuff. So, thank you very much, Chief. What's a little uh pneumonic device you had you said earlier today about Oh, blue's beautiful, green's good, orange is okay, red's rotten, and black don't worry about. All right, man. All right. Thank you. Appreciate you. Thank you, sir. And thank you for your service, Lieutenant Baldwin. Uh, uh, great. We got a duo tag team also. Very hardworking, uh, team there.

I'm sorry, everybody has a copy of report. Didn't really get a chance to look over much. been kind of busy past few days. Try and answer any questions if you have regarding the report. I like that there's now a section on there for Six and Berry stop sign. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a money maker, baby. That's Yeah, you're increasing council pays coming from there. I stop and wave at that camera every time. All fingers. All fingers. Yes. So, um the only thing um I had to bring up is um we did get approved for the Kentucky Highway Safety Grant. Thank you, sir. Signed that this morning.

They provided uh Garrett with a copy of it this morning and we discussed some things regarding it. Uh we were awarded $5,500. So, that's through a campaign that starts October 1st and September 30th of that year, which is another time we will reapply for a grant. depending on how we do with the with the grant and our stats to go forth, we could probably get more funding next year, next year they do it. Um, we also do have opportunities with this grant as far as uh trying to request some additional equipment which the highway safety Nissa will provide to us which is like radars, PBTs, things that regarding to traffic. Um, there are a few other grants I was talking to about that we have in the works. Uh we were actually just awarded another one for what we call as a ballistic helmet. It's a level 3A with same as our best uh through the Kentucky uh attorney general's office. I also have um three three additional grants pending right now which would include what we call an extended outer carrier with the thicker plates that actually more of a higher grade grain of ammunition. And we also put in for a ballistic some ballistic shields, which hopefully we get those because they are very nice and we actually be able to stick one of them out to have his own res. Um, any questions about the grants that we're looking into? Okay, so this is my little coordinator here. He does a great job of it. I mean, I get amazed at everything he comes up and wants to talk to me and chief about things he wants to do and things he

wants to try and get accomplished. So, turn this over. Thank you, Lieutenant.

No. So, uh I'm in charge of our community relations within the department. So, we just had summer bash scheduled for July 19th on a Saturday. Weather looked horrific, so we ended up had to push it back a week. Uh, and we picked probably the hottest day of the summer. It's about 95 degrees and pure humidity. So, we end up having to cut it short for safety reasons to make sure that nobody had any heat strokes or anything like that. And uh, so all total we ended up coming up at $899 for Light of Dayton. And then uh I approached Lieutenant Baldwin and Chief Halfill about another opportunity for an event on it's going to be October 25th this year be the Saturday for Halloween and it's going to be a Halloween fun runwalk. All the proceeds are going to go to the American Cancer Society. Uh with the help of assistant city administrator Jared Barks, he helped with the website registration, a QR code on our flyer where people are able to register immediately at the tip of their fingers. Um, I've currently been I had a meeting this morning with St. Elizabeth. They've already donated. They're going to be one of our main sponsors and also Western and Southern. I have u other sponsorships that are in the works or attempting to be in the works at this point. And uh basically the point of the event is basically to try and remember anybody that we've lost to cancer in the past. Show everybody who is currently in the fight that they're not alone and just being there for each other. So, uh, anybody who has interest in or any questions, feel free to email me, call me, whatever. And

I'm more than happy to answer any questions and hopefully you guys will be out there. Uh, we also are going to allow people to wear appropriate Halloween costumes if they wish to the 5K run and all that. So, if anybody has any questions, please feel free to reach out. that there. So, it is to benefit the American Cancer Society, not the light update. Correct. No, every single bit of that money is going to go to the American Cancer Society. So, thank you. Any questions? Thanks, Sergeant. Question. Thank you. Also, I did somebody get engaged in the last month?

I did. Yes. Got engaged. I've got a baby on the way. So, wow. Congratulations, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. It's a exciting time of my life for sure. So, we're excited for you, buddy. Thank you all. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, police. Be safe out there. Well, Rick, cheese stands alone, man. You're the last one.

Okay. Um, as far as the steps on 10th Brooklyn, I do have metal solutions. They're there. They've been up there, I think, three times now. And it's going to take a lot of welding. I mean, this is going to be special as far as how they have to do it and all that. So, get me a prize hopefully within the next week or so. What happened to it? It's just It just fell apart. Oh, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I went up and looked at it. look like it's broke off from the bottom. But they're going to fix all the pieces that are missing. Great. Because I mean the way they're offseted and stuff. So he they're going to give me a price and we'll see what happens.

It's probably 100 years old. Those It's probably 100 years old the every bit of it probably. I bet the 1920s. The one area that looks like it leads to a trail. You want to leave that open. Yeah, I think so. Because it is on a flat, right? And looks like it never really had any uh railing there. So that be fine. Yeah. And then um let's see. Our gaga pit is done. Excellent. So the kids aren't scraping their fingers anymore. Yeah. Well done. Explain what Rick explain what you all did there. Um, I guess the Gaga bit was very popular with the kids, but it was just a asphalt base and so we bought a pad that fits bought 2800 pound pad.

Heavy heavy rubber and it together this morning or How long does that pad last? How long you think that pad will last with all the weather and all that other stuff? Oh, it'll last probably forever. I mean, it's 3/4 thick. Cool. I mean, unless, you know, something weird happens to it. Um, another thing on uh the trees on 6th Avenue, we're going to start on them tomorrow as far as getting the weeds out of them. Yeah. And then uh you have the big event this weekend down at the river. Yeah. Rock on the river.

It is very neat to go down. You go on the walking trail, Queen City river boats. It is neat to see. You You really like to go down and see that. I mean, there's a lot of a lot of boats and it's it's exciting to watch. It's hopping. Yep. And then our no parking signs. Hopefully, they'll be in tomorrow.

So, we're going to be put putting no parking signs on the south side of Manhattan Boulevard. You can only park for by the houses. We It's creating a kind of pinch points. And so, um we'll be putting this all on the on the on the um eyeles. And then some places we had to put we have to put uh actual poles up, but we're going to do really nice um black poles. Square black poles. Oh, that that's hopefully we'll probably put what two coming in. Yeah, we have people parking at the entrance too where the landscaping is, which is not safe. So, we're going to make sure there's no parking that site. So, we they've been on order for a while. So, glad they're here.

And that's about all I have. I mean, we're, you know, we're busy cutting grass. You guys are busy. I mean, I'm started on the flood wall today. Other than that, any questions for public works director, Mr. Lucas? No. Thank you, sir. Get back to work. Now, that concludes this evening's department head report minus our city administrator, Mr. Faucet. The floor is yours, sir.

Just a couple quick updates. I know we have some people will still want to speak. Um the state highway department did come in and they changed the signage for Kentucky 8X as they call it now to move it from Clay to Maine. And so we now have to and we've also installed all the ADA ramps that are required before we pave it. So we're just waiting for Eaton to get back with us when they're going to do the paving the city. And once that's done and we stripe it, uh then I think we're good to go. So, but they actually have changed it. Um, the the actual signage there. Update on pickle ball courts is that pickle ball courts course been poured. We have the poles that have been installed but not the fencing yet because the guys that we have to do two things. We have to put a retaining wall behind the pickle ball court um where the softball field is and then another retaining wall down uh where Fourth Avenue uh butts into it. So they got their equipment there today. I think that will happen here pretty soon and then we have to wait till September to uh do the um ports coatings they call it. It has to cure for about a a month. So we're on track and uh looks looks good. We also had the basketball courts repaved and restriped and kids are out down using them now. So they look great. That's all I really have.

Any questions, comments, concerns for Mr. Faucet? Yes, ma'am. Name and address. I live in Dayton. My son plays for the football team. Yes. And I was told to come down and I would like to promote these if anybody's interested. They are to help the football team. Um they're coupons. They are $20. There's many coupons on here for Valvaline, um local restaurants, fast foods, many different places. How much? They're $20. I got 20 bucks. I'll take two. I'm out of 20s, actually. I got you. I got you.

I'll take one. Alex, take one. Thanks for coming. Look, it pays to stick around and listen to civil uh conversations. Here's one for Thank you guys. This is great. I had one of the kids knock on. I might have a couple of these, but uh the kids are knocking on my door and asking me to buy these. I'm a sales guy. So, that's just so important that these kids are getting out, talking to people, and you're you're doing good stuff. So, go Green Devils. Appreciate it. I take them to my job. I'm a social worker, so I'm like, "Please buy these." That's awesome. Thank you.

And thanks to all the the companies and the businesses. A lot of these are Dayton businesses. You know, we see hometown heroes on here, of course, and tuba and black chicken and you say Unataza is Yeah, you got a lot of great local businesses on here. So, thanks to them for supporting our Green Devils.

Yeah. Young entrepreneur. I love it. All right. This opens up the floor for audience comments. If we could uh I mean we've been here for two and a half hours almost. If we could uh keep it brief, get your point across and uh and and we can have a conversation. So if anybody like to address city council administration, the floor is yours. Nobody

Mr. My name is Dave. I live at 326th Avenue 314 6th Avenue. I was here last month. Um, I got a lot to go over.

I know it's getting late and I I'm going to come back the next meeting. There's some other things I want to go over, but the one issue I want to address is uh the property at 320 I mean 3166th Avenue. Now the the property owner that owns this building is here tonight, him and his wife. Um, excuse me.

on this piece of property for the last two years. I want one thing. The last time I was here, Mr. Baker, I asked you where the historic district at, and you immediately said on the left. I immediately said, excuse me. You immediately said it was on the left. I said, "Where is a historic?" I measily said it's on the left. I don't believe I measily said anything. Yes, you did. Yes, you did, sir. What did you mean by that? I don't believe I said on the left. That doesn't that doesn't make sense to me. I said So, what you're telling me is the historic district is both sides of the street. Yes, sir.

And Sixth Avenue. Okay. But you did say it was on the left. I don't believe I did. And I'd be happy to go back to the video, sir. And to say something I said measly. That's Yes, you did, sir. Yes, you did. We We'll agree to disagree, sir. We can put it up on the map if you'd like to see it up on the screen. Well, I think you got the minutes of last meeting, right? These meetings are taped, I believe. Yes. Yes, sir, they are. So, we could go back and look at that if you want to. We will.

Okay. Now, I was going to go over this tonight, but I think I'll go over this the next time we're here. I uh I got a thing here on the Dayton Economical Improvement Fund. Where does that money come from? It comes from our economic development fund. We have an economic development fund. I sorry, an economic development fund the city has. Okay. And it's money that they obtained, I believe. I wasn't here at the time, Joe, you may help me, but wasn't it from the development of the industrial park? That's on that money. It started with the purchase of the marina uh by Stark,

right? And we put that into the e there was a small balance there to begin with. There was not it was illdefined at that time. So, and that's devoted to just promoting economic development in the city. It's separate from the general fund. Oh, well, I have a a thing here and I have some questions on it. Um, money that being given to businesses. That's correct. We have a program

and there's a lot of names on here. There's I don't see any business. All I see is a name. So, I got a lot of questions on that, but I'm not going to go over that tonight. Um, Mr. Mr. Gunning and I are here because of this house like I was saying before. Um, so when you told me the historic district is on both sides of the street. Okay. I don't have to go over that

there up on the you can see okay an image of it up here. That is the historic district. It runs pretty much the uh whole 6th Avenue down to I believe Maine. So my house is in the historic district. That's correct. Mr. Gunny's house in the historic district and their house is in the historic district. That's correct.

Okay. Now I have some pictures here I'd like to show you of things that have been done to that uh done to that house. And uh I'll pass these out to you. I want you to take a look at it. I don't want to lose my stuff here. You have to excuse me. The wall was changed down front. This wall runs the entire

width of this property. Now he went before that correct board of board of architectural review. Yes. Now somebody gave him permission to put this bill up. That would be the board. Where did that permission come from? Who gave him permission to do Jared? Jared handles he's a leazison. The board of architectural. Okay. The the board. It's a city appointed board. the board of architectural review. Okay. Who's on the board? It's on the website. I I read it. I'll read it to you.

So, from what I understand, when I read the guidelines, that wall, it has to be. So, I want you to take a look at these pictures and tell me is that wall concur? This wall here, this is one side of this property. This is the other side of the propert. This is a wall fell down. This is what it looked like before. Yeah. The ones down. He put this back, right? That's that's in the discretion of the board. That the old wall was a center block wall and they replaced it with one that looks more like Do they still make those type of blocks? Yes, they do.

Oh, they make them, but they do. They don't necessarily have to be exactly the same type. That's up that's up to the board. So, it's up to the board. Yes. And there's nobody here. No, they're a separate board. Yeah. I mean, if you It's a It's already been decisions are made. You had the time to appeal it. It's too late to appeal it now. Who has to appeal? If you challenge the board's decision, you have a right to appeal that decision. But I didn't know anything about So when does that board meet?

It meets as needed. Whenever there's a an issue that uh historic preservation issue, they meet as needed. Okay. So this is an issue. What's that? This is an issue. I'm not sure what you mean. This is an issue in the historic district. It's an issue. This is a property. It's in the historic district. That's correct. And they they they considered his request and they approved it. He doesn't like that. So what you're telling me is that wall is going to stay like that from now on. That's correct. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. We got a historic district.

Now I got another picture here of the porch. if you'll give me a minute. So, I guess you don't have anything to do with this either. I don't

This is uh These are pictures. This is one end of the porch and this is the other end of the porch. Are we still in 316?

316. Yes. Have these issues been brought up with code enforcement? Yes. Yes. Casey's been working on the issue. Okay. I can provide more details issues. So I did research on this particular house and to see all these changes.

They looked at the streets on that particular block and there's five different sets of stone being used. There wasn't one particular set and so they didn't feel like it was in their wheelhouse because there's multiple different wall materials. That's correct. That's true.

The second part is the porch railing. Um it looks as though it was removed between 2009 and 2012. So that was a good 15 years ago. At that time, the only um way that the historic board could have stopped that process was to do a stop work order. There were no fines associated with changing and so there was no stop order done. Nothing was happening. This is 15 years. No complaints. No complaints. So

we cannot retroactively with our historical reg that far to determine if there was or not. And so I don't feel that it's fair to go back that long and punish someone that was done before any of us were here. Uh the last uh complaint that Mr. made was the roof line the property. According to images that was done prior to 2013 which would fall into the same sort of situation as it was done too far in the past. do not have any regulatory power to find or do anything to the property to make this complaint over there. I'm telling you, it wasn't done 15 years ago.

When do you think it was done? I don't care what Google says. Mr. Cole, did you file a complaint when when it was done? Yes, I did. Back then? Back then, 15 years ago. Whenever. What's that? Two years. Two years. So what you're all telling me is that they porch up the spindles in the yard. You saying the tenants did you saying the tenants did that, Mr. Cole? The tenants? Yes. Okay.

Okay. How long ago? the last five or six years. Did you file a complaint at that time or bring it to code enforcement's attention because they can't go on private property? It's all said that even though the courts are there, that's what you're tell. No, we're not we're not saying that. I'm just asking for

No, I'm What I'm saying is if there's a violation of our historic preservation rules or code enforcement, complaints are made and we investigate it. And I know that Miss Patterson is currently investigating code enforcement and has cited him for issues. So, that is ongoing right now. Come come up here, Cassie. So, he didn't speak

in the microphone. from what I can see. I bring in photos on Thursday. On Thursday, I sent out an email sent photo Saturday's house took Mr. Don't understand. How many is still

contactain to send someone? There was no photo

that was sitting Yes.

Thursday. This is August. December 24th to August 25. I showed you

sir. We don't don't raise your voice. Sir, it's right here. Sir, we we treat everyone with respect though and that's not fair.

Okay, I'm sorry, but I'm upset. 128. She was supposed to go back. That's the way it works. That person has 30 days to take care of that problem. It is August. that was never fixed until Sunday. Okay.

Now, the way the way these regulations and everything go, February, March, April, May, June, July, seven months, he should have been flying $700. He should have not been given a rental because He had fees, correct? I don't think he had any outstanding fees. He wanted to have fees. They weren't assessed. She should

she decides she issued a citation. We generally work with them with residents to try to get the repair of their properties. And if they don't do that, then we will follow up with citations and fines. We do work with our residents to make sure that we're just not trying to hit them. We want them We're not looking for money. We're looking for compiance. Correct. windows on my side. Mr. Gunn can tell you this is a health window. She can't sight on those unless she has photographs. But you finally gave her

I'm sorry. You finally gave her photographs that showed the windows broken. Right. She could not sight unless she sees the actual She can't step on his property. You gave her. So, she just got those. Right. But she can't she's got to have evidence.

Okay. There are two things. There's a notice violation and there's citation. New York. I also spoke to our inspector deficiencies. Which is why I say Cuz we need to have proof. Cuz we need to have proof.

We can't go on people's properties without a warrant. Yeah, you should come up the microphone though.

Windows personally. We have photos of the artal. So we are taking care of business. I encourage you to talk to us in the future. We do have as you came to us.

No, I was there to talk to app and us all. If I do, I know that But we know that the pieces are broken. I know there's But approval from the city when you do things later when you're 88.

So those are all the walls which is what our section will match. There's no You want me to say

I'll tell you all about the same house. How many families?

She's going to do I don't want to one even with her I

remember tell of That's what this does. way I see it.

No, they follow our rules, sir. That's what you want us to work on? You want us to to deal with getting rid of this this fourth dog? Or am I misunderstanding something? Are there six? She has a license to do that.

Yes, she's on rover.com. verify that it just

this should all be taken there. There's there's no issue with the laws that we have in place at this point. I presume it's just the enforcement of it or the interpretation. This is not the place for this conversation, right? This is

where I hear a lot of evidence.

Correct. What is everybody saying, Joe? We typically restrict these comments to f to five minutes. Yeah, we've gone on to 20. I will be back. I will call you tomorrow.

Thank you, Mr. Co.

Well, each Yeah.

Can't you put that in your uh Can't you put that in your rental agreement? No dogs. I mean, you can make your own law whatever you want. You can make it. I want one dog under 20 pounds. someone tells me. So when you're complaining about the dogs, you're complaining about dog feces and basically or are they a disturbance too? I'm not complain about that. Okay.

Yeah. Years ago. Yes. Somebody requested it and it passed council. Okay. So now if I come to you and I request to have four dogs, then you'd have to get it through a council vote. You make it 20 dogs. I doubt it's going to pass. What is the issue with the dogs? We have dog or it just

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again this is going on 20 minutes. [Music]

People How many?

Sir, with all due respect, we've been here for three hours and I apologize. I really don't mean to be rude. I understand your frustrations. I've had neighbor problems in the past. Could we set up a meeting with the three of you because I think direct communication with the property owner is going to be a lot more effective. I I'm willing to do that. I also want to

I would suggest that, sir, because there are I was the historic board. You don't have to replace something exactly. It has to meet the they have discretion to approve or disapprove based on does it look historic for that type of a house etc. But please, as I said, we I haven't had dinner. We it's we've been here over three hours. I know. I've been here too. I sat through everything myself. But it really could be this could be a lot easier remedy to speak directly with code enforcement. Miss Baker, the fight.

Have you Have you met with the complaint about the paint coming? You know how long it took them to paint that? One year to paint a 20 by 26 of a house. One year. Don't tell me I was there. one year. I I apologize, but it's really going to be easier for you guys all to talk directly with the property owner.

Yeah, let's do that later. Let's take that offline. We all have each other's informations. I that's a lot better way to solve this. We can't do anything because I Thank you very much, sir. You know what? Nobody. Next on the agenda would be any else from the audience. Make any comments? Nobody listens to you when you're nice. I know. I've run into it myself. There's no other comments. Do we have any new business?

Yes. I have a question about we had um at least three accidents in a short amount of time on six and on Fairfield this month. Um the one in Dayton on Fairfield at the lodge, somebody came in, took out the light pole, the garbage can, the iron fence, the Stewart fence. Um, and I wondered what ever happened with our traffic study on six and urban terrace because we talked about changing it so that they had to stop or something so that they didn't get have this kind of momentum flying down through the rest of six and or

I think there was discussion about turning out the light to the stop sign. I didn't think there was momentum on the council to do that. Yes, there was. Yeah, I remember. I don't I don't think so. I didn't think there was mayor the mayor said mayor said that he was not interested in doing I remember I literally I'm there 30 times a day I don't see a reason for that

at the time we discussed it and it was that either if you got the green light now you've been rocking along you have the green light and they are picking up speed we had a long discussion several times about how the Lisa cleat was here about how the street is curved so there's some sort of optical illusion I don't know But then the final suggestion was we should put like um a stop sign or a flashing stop so that they were everyone was forced to stop so they couldn't pay. Let me show you a video of people paying stop signs at the corner six and whatever. I mean that was that was the thing it seems like because I got about a hundred of them that show that people do not obey those stop signs and we have to constantly take our police forces off then bust them then put

that's exactly what we try to do ma'am and then it's taking our cops off of doing other things as they sit there and wait for people to blow through stop signs. Well then maybe they can get them sometimes you know because what is the alternative lieutenant how many stops did we have at six and yeah last month four 40 For what? They have it listed on the police report. Oh, we had we had the discussion of turning Iran into a three-way stop sign and my understanding is that KYTC said no. Is that right?

And the mayor did not want to do it and I don't they they did not want to do it again. They didn't want said they were not He didn't say they didn't say no, but they said that they are like we're not going to do we're going to do this every Oh, again meaning after they did bury they don't want to do another one. Okay. Want to get from point A to point B as fast as you can. I mean I wish there was a roundabout but that should have been 150 years ago when we designed the city which obviously I missed that meeting. I don't know what engineers want. What's that?

I don't know what engineers want. It's just that was discussed at the time that having a stop would be a way if everyone had to stop so they wouldn't have that momentum and because Lisa Cle got wiped out four times or something

that would have nothing to do with Lisa's and I'm sympathetic because I' I've lost a car one on the avenue. I'm sympathetic to that. But if you look at the way that it's happened, people are coming towards Dayton from Belleview. And I I encourage you to try this one time. Just go ahead and if there's no other traffic around, just keep straight as you come from Belleview into Dayton on a 300 block of six. If you don't move your hand, you will hit Lisa's car. That has nothing to do with you stopping at that. That has to do with you not looking at your You mean on the other side, please? I mean going east on six towards Fort Thomas from Belleview,

right? It's a bend and if you don't move your hand, if you don't take that little turn, you hit Lisa's car. Intention is what it is. I we could we should ban cell phones and drinking. So I wasn't back to the comment here. So I I do recall that conversation. I do not recall there ever being like consensus on what the solution was. But it sounds like that we're not going to do the study now. Is that is that the correct? We never talked about doing a study. I'm pretty sure we did because you were surprised and you thought, well, you guys never directed me. You never directed me to do that. And we all were like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Jessica's head." And then whatever.

Can we can we ask now to do a study if it's available? Impossible. We state would do the study. The state would have to do it. My concern is traffic engineers, traffic's already bad enough as it is. If you're now, everybody's got to stop there. It's going to start stacking back. And I don't think they're going to do it. But we can ask them to do a study, do what they say. I don't have the information to know how many accidents over the last two or three years there's been in that very same spot. Chief pulled all that. Yeah. So, we do have that report. We'll just have to go back and get it. And then they and then they quit for a while. Yeah, chief chief pulled that report and what he had found this last month.

I don't not from the last month. The last time we talked about this when this came up, you know, which was several months ago, but then at that point the finding was more that it was a matter of distracted driving versus anything else that, you know, everybody had either like looked down at their phone or had done this before they, you know, ran into something. I don't know. You should put a stop sign at every corner.

Picking up speed. But but we would like to see the study updated to include this past month. Is that I'm not sure. I think there's kind of a problem with people getting fast on six and Fairfield. Okay. And if we were to and taking people out. Go ahead. Thank you. If we were to vote to request a study, we would have to pay for it. KYTC doesn't do these for free. Correct.

I'm not sure. I think they did the one for free, but I don't know. I can talk to Mike about it, but we don't know. All right. But they have to make the final decision. It's their road. Understood. I'll talk to Mike about it. I mean, but is that you want to go? Because we talked about it. I think the reason we decided not to do it is that the chief of police came here and said it's not stopped. They stopped for a long time and then I don't know they cropping back up again. We talk about what's that

new business and then like if you was to ask me my vote I would say no I wouldn't stud but We have people are going to do what they want no matter what happens. And there's no stop sign that would stop somebody from going in that direction before before I go to the state. Is there is there consensus among council to this? I don't want to go there and then they do the study and then we say we don't want to do it. I am not bringing it up.

I can't tell you how difficult it's been to just get the stop sign study done and then changing the route. So, I mean, if we we keep on doing this, then they're they're going to like Okay, fine. I'm just saying. I just want to know. I got consensus to do it before I go there. They do all the study, they do all the work, and they then we don't we don't do it. So, is there consensus to do this? Shouldn't there does not wait a minute, you're going too far? This is not even about consensus. I'm bringing up that there were three accidents this month and I remembered in that same area. Oh, a couple blocks down. It seems like people are kind I'm sorry, Lieutenant. Yes, both. Do you know these?

Hold on. So on Sixth Avenue, they took out a bunch of stuff including a a traffic a street light and I remembered that we had this whole conversation over and over again about Lisa Cle about all how many cars she's lost. And I wanted to know the update on whatever happened with that two conversations we had about having a stop sign so that people were not picking up speed past Urban Terrace. They were starting over again. So they weren't rocking all the way down and really jamming by the time they got by the lodge or anywhere else. The impression I got was that we decided not to pursue it. Now maybe maybe I just

That's good enough. I'm taking the temperature because somebody just wiped out a bunch of stuff down there. But again, if there's consensus to move forward, it doesn't have to I mean, you know, if we if we knock down another I don't know, another five Then we'll see what happens. That's fine. Well, I I originally probably six, eight years ago wanted to change urban terrorist to four-way, right? A four-way stop sign or stop lights or whatever. The practical I still feel that that would be a good solution, but it wasn't accepted. Well, I believe residents came in and said, "We don't want that."

Yeah. Because kids same as we had tonight saying Yeah. people saying, "Right." Yeah, but I mean we discussed this before. I proposed it. We discussed it. Four-way stop, four-way red lights. Pardon me. When was this? Oh, this is back when Virgil was mayor because Virgil said, I'm not going to go into what Virgil said, but it was it was comical. So, it was at least eight or 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Whatever.

And we brought up the flash signs saying that they don't want to all the other side of the presence. Okay. And and I looking around and watching people, it's mostly distracted driving. I don't know how many people I see with their phone like this driving down the street. It's crazy. And that's a matter of enforcement catching them. Okay.

Any other new business? I got six things, believe it or not. I've been waiting for this for three and a half hours. Uh, a very busy weekend in the city. Civic activity board meets here tomorrow night. The new Green Devil Stadium field dedication on Thursday. Uh, Rick already beat me. But the boats at the marina is a really cool thing. Uh, and that's going to bring a lot of people into the city and our businesses. St. Bernard Festival Friday and Saturday. River City Ducks are having their games at Davis Field this weekend. Yeah, they were up there today. Pardon me? They were up there today, I believe. No, not Gil. They're playing.

I said they were up there today. I was up. Yeah, up at Davis, which is really cool. I don't know what they're going to do with Davis, but that's Saturday. We got the yoga at the park Saturday, which my understanding is they had like 35 some people there the last time. And then Tina and I are with Histories on the square Thursday evening. That's all I have. Sir, is that all on the website or I believe so. Yeah. I just wonder if anybody's still watching after three hours. It's on the city's web page. I saw I saw the calendar posted as a pin post. Yeah. This is for the the people watching on YouTube. All two of them.

All two of them. Yeah. One of them keeps text me when you coming home for dinner. Any other new business?

Yes. Um, so the the thing I'm going to propose um is something that's going to hopefully shorten these meetings significantly and also uh reduce the amount of uh conversation about certain topics as well. So committee formation proposal meeting was uh was had uh two Wednesdays ago I believe. Uh I submitted the information over to a handful of people uh on here and copied Beth who was nice enough to stop by for that meeting. um and contribute to that. Um we need to get some committees going here to funnel a lot of this stuff out or talk about a lot of the finer details of this stuff and ask the right questions here before we bring it to the big big body. And I' I've been pushing for this for a while. I think we're finally starting to get some traction. I don't know what the next step is. I I thought I had asked to put it on the agenda for this time round, but uh I don't know if it was not enough time to review. Um, so what I'm just uh at some point I think Mayor Baker, it's just on you to make an executive order on this, but I'd like to

I saw your email. I I saw your email. I guess it was about a week ago or so. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, I've had some time to digest it. I I think it's good. Uh let's bring it up the next meeting. We put it on the agenda. Uh we can handle it out to to council via email in between then so they can see it. Yeah. But yeah, I think it's good and I appreciate everyone's wanting to be even more engaged. Uh that that's I like that. Uh yeah. So if it's on me, then let's put it on the next month's agenda. Since we only had a week to look at it, we have to get to our attorneys. We have to get it to all of them. Yep. Let's uh put it on next month's agenda.

Yeah. Um, and so part of the reason for bringing it up here is that um, I would hope that Mayor Baker would would source a request from people on council on which committees they would like to serve on. Um, so start thinking through what those committees uh, you would want to serve on would be u, after we send out the list of what we're proposing. But it's That's fine. You don't want any more stuff to do, Jess?

Oh, come on. All right. Any So, uh, member Jeb, we will put that on next month's agenda. And in the meanwhile, uh, in the month, let's get that out to to everyone in council. And, uh, that was going to be the last thing I brought up as well. I, uh, I would want to probably do a quorum check for next month with me being out for work. I heard she's going to be out as well. Chief Christina, member Kelly, what are you doing? I'm out of town. Yeah. Anybody else gonna be out for the next meeting or is there good enough for qual? I'm planning on being here. Yes. September is the week after Labor Day. Yep.

Yeah. I'll be in town for that. So if you're not going to be in town, we're not going to have the committee on the agenda. It would for next month. So it be the following month then. I'm fine for it to keep going with that. I I the sooner we get committees rolling, the sooner we won't have three and a half hour meetings. Oh, you're so young. All right. Any other comments? New business. Would anybody like to make the bold decision to make a motion to to journ? Now that's a first. Anybody on council?

I will make motion. Have a second. Member love has made a second. All in favor? I. All in fa opposed everybody. See you next month.