Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

No, thank you.

Okay. Welcome to the January meeting. We've done the roll call already. Is there any guests out there or no guests or other visitors I see signed in there?

Well, do you want me to go through the list? Sure.

Well, let's do that.

Okay.

Chris Dietz. Present. Josh First. Present. Mary Gacy.

Present.

John Kirshner.

Here.

Gary Lenker. Here. Taryn Morgan. Brian Pomeroy. I'm here. All right, just in time. Joe Robinson just logged in, and we're going to kind of count him this year. And Bob Spandler. Here. And George Hartwick.

okay so we have my one two three four five eight members present all righty thank you everyone for uh either being here present or signing into today's meeting uh it's a nice number i guess we'll start off uh right away then with the reorganization for the 2026 127 year, correct? It's a two-year term?

No, it's a one-year term, but then typically we go two years at a time. We will do it again the following year. It's a one-year. It's a one-year, all right.

Mr. Chairman? I fully intended to be there in person in the new facility today, but I'm still stuck with the holiday blahs or whatever. I just couldn't get dressed and get out the house. I apologize.

But it looks very nice.

i know exactly what you mean yeah yeah and on with that mr robinson if anybody's having some sound issues just let us know we're currently using this one talk here for all the voice uh and we can move that but there's just two of us or three of us in the room uh and if that needs to be adjusted in any way we can certainly do it but yes this is our brand new offices and hopefully everybody will uh be able to come and visit us in person so

Mr. Chairman, I'd like to nominate our current vice chairman, Josh, first as chairman for 2026.

Okay. Thank you, Gary. Is there a second to that nomination?

First or second?

Thank you, John. We have a first and second. Are there any other nominations for chairman? Hearing none, we have a motion to close. So moved. Second. Thank you. And a second. Okay, Mary Gayski, close. Yep.

Chris?

Chris takes two seconds. All right, got it.

All righty. I don't have... Who does how... I'm going to act dumb here.

do we what well we uh we can do it a couple different ways here we can typically we can do all the slate of officials at one time or we can go with uh mr the nomination that's on the table right now with mr first and mr kershner or mr first and as being chairman and then after that then mr first would run would run the rest of the meeting yeah You okay with that?

I am. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom in just a minute. Sorry.

Okay. Start with a bang, they say. Well, let's move on then. If there are no other nominations, and Jerry, I guess we need to vote on that as a body, correct?

Correct.

Yeah. So at this point, I'll kind of just We will take a vote as Mr. First being as the chairman. We will do a roll call. Mr. Dietz? Yes. Mr. First? Yes. Ms. Gieske?

Yes.

Mr. Kirshner? Yes. Mr. Lanker? Yes. Mr. Pomeroy? Yes.

mr robinson yes and mr spandler yes all right so mr first year and now the chair okay thank you thank you very much everybody that over to you uh thank you thank you everyone for letting me be in here for two years i really enjoyed it and uh i'm not going anywhere so i plan to be here for a little while that was a quick two years wow it was and thank you bob for your service thank you yes yep thank you okay uh no mr first was uh taking a uh um a break here so so i'll just uh keep the meeting going here for a moment um well oh yeah well should we just continue with uh the minutes and treasures report or do we want to do this Go ahead, Mary. Go ahead, Mary.

Do we need to finish the reorganization? There's other offices, right?

I guess we should, yes. Well, with Mr. First not being here and you're just around, I'll take over. At this time, I'll open it up for the other positions. We have the Vice Chair, the Secretary, and the Treasurer. Vice Chair, of course, was Mr. First, so that is open. The Secretary was Ms. Morgan and the treasurer is Mr. Langer. So we can do it one at a time or a slate of officers.

Sounds like a good slate to me. Yeah. Slate sounds good. I move for the adoption of the slate. Okay.

So we have a motion as for all three at one time.

uh all in favor say yes well wait a sec we can't kit josh josh was vice chair right we need a new person for vice chair right we we need someone for vice vice chair yeah so i'll float a nomination for gary lanker as vice chair joe robinson as treasurer and turn morgan as secretary i'll second that unless somebody else would like to

Okay, so let me just so we have Mr. Kirchner has put in for a nomination of Gary Lanker as the vice chair. Taryn Morgan as the secretary. And who was the third?

Joe Robinson for treasurer.

Joe Robinson for treasurer. Okay, so we have Mr. Kirchner made the motion. And Mr. Robinson, did you make the second?

Yes, that's fine. I can second that motion.

did i do that right did i do that right yes yes okay so at that point we have that slate uh i'll call call for a vote vote vote voice vote all do in favor say aye aye aye opposed okay so there's our slate okay And I guess it's up to you, Mr. Lenker, if you want to carry the meeting. We'll show you in a few minutes with Josh.

There he is. There he is.

Is he back? He's got a new vice president.

Yes, Mr. Robinson. Sorry about that. I turned 61 and suddenly discovered the joys of being a 61-year-old man.

Brother, I tell everybody, my two favorite friends at this age are now bathrooms and banisters.

You're right. That's very funny. I like that. Yeah, I'm not yet at the banister part, but definitely the men's room part is much more familiar.

So, Josh, just so you know, Mr. Lecter is the vice chair, secretary, etc. Morgan and the treasurer is Mr. Robinson.

Excellent. Excellent. That's a good group of people. All right. So where are we? We're on number three. All right. So treasurer's report? No.

Minutes.

Oh, minutes. Sorry. A different three. Yes. Minutes. Do we have any comments on the minutes from the last meeting? No. Motion to approve. and i'll second that so we've got uh motion and a second from mary uh calling for the vote here folks everybody uh in favor of approving the minutes from the november 4th meeting yes aye aye yes okay sorry treasurer's report

We have, just as a note, we have two months since we didn't have any meetings last month. So we have both November and December, and we could do those both either individually or under one vote. I think we just do it together. I agree.

so if you want to call for a motion to accept all right uh motion to accept the treasurer's report uh including two months november and december sounds like kirschner and joe all right we pass

Oh, the vote. I thought we voted. No, we just got the motion.

Sorry, we got the motion. I'll get a handle on this. Don't you guys worry. I can do this job, I promise.

You're scaring us, Josh.

I know. Well, I'm just trying to see if people are paying attention here. There you go. All right. We're calling for the vote on this motion to accept the treasurer report. Aye. Aye.

Agree.

That's unanimous. None opposed. None opposed. Next up, reports. Report of officers. Any officers have anything they want to report?

I have nothing.

Okay. That's a no. All right. We have communications and staff reports. This is usually the meat and potatoes of our meeting. Go ahead, Jerry.

We have no communications. I have no staff reports, but Andrew is on. I don't know if Andrew has any staff reports.

I don't have any staff reports, but I can move right into the progress report if that's what we want.

Sure, Andrew. Let's move right to 5C, program progress reports.

All right. I'll try to give these kind of together as... November and December. I will note that I was out of the office most of December, so Jerry might need to fill in some of the kind of activities in December or at least let me know if I miss anything. But I can say, you know, certainly in terms of transportation planning activities, in early November, we hosted an active transportation summit at 400 Park. And we had about 60 people from area municipalities attend. We had presentations from myself. from PennDOT, from DCNR, and from a variety of local municipalities kind of highlighting their own work on non-motorized and kind of bike ped planning efforts and projects and all that kind of stuff. That kind of grew out as an implementation tool of our active transportation plan that we adopted through HATS earlier last year in April. So, like I said, we had 60 registered and then about 40 to 45 actually attended. But that was still a pretty good turnout. especially for that being kind of the first time we had tried something like that. Just to move down through here, highlight. We are in TIP development right now, so we will be updating the Transportation Improvement Program next year. The bulk of the work, though, happens in the preceding months. The last few months of 2025 were spent finalizing the draft TIP. I would say the The high-level summary is that we didn't really add any projects for two reasons. We've got a lot of really big projects coming down on our tip this year, on the tip that we're working on. We've got the Market Street Bridge. We've got the McClay Street Bridge. We've got a lot of kind of big ticket items coming. And then the real kind of kicker though is the federal legislation through which all of those transportation funds come. uh that expires at the end of next september so then that we're in the last fiscal year of that legislation that fiscal year ends september 30th so when this new tip that we're developing right now takes effect we frankly don't know what kind of funding levels we're going to be dealing with so uh in an effort to try to kind of stay conservative and and and not make any assumptions because we just don't know what the federal legislation is going to look like next time. We're kind of just holding where we are now, and then once we have something to react to, we will. So that's kind of the story of the TIP is, you know, moving all of the already programmed projects forward. and then kind of seeing where we land once we know what the legislative and funding picture is actually going to look like. We're also working on There's the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program with PennDOT we're working on. We have a survey available right now through our website. looking at communities and kind of types of development that we want to prioritize when we're looking at public funds being used to install electric vehicle charging stations that's made possible through the current federal legislation. So we're working on that. In November, we had kind of a public meeting, a virtual public meeting where we walk through everything. A recording of that is available on our website. We're also working on what's called a human service transportation plan that looks at specifically the transportation needs and kind of gaps for senior citizens and the disabled populations, kind of their unique transportation challenges as it relates to transit, both fixed route transit and also paratransit. Karen Dixon and Rebecca Wenshoff in our office are leading that. That's just getting started. We anticipate that being completed, being worked on through 2025 and being completed by the end of the year. I think that's the vast majority of at least transportation stuff. Certainly in November and then in December. December is typically kind of a light month. We often are just kind of finishing up things for the end of the year. Like I said, tip development stuff. that has to be in to PennDOT central office by the end of the year, and we did that. I also, last thing I'll highlight is, well, two things. We had one last round of our Sober Ride Home program over New Year's Eve, but we had, since this commission last met, we had one last round during Thanksgiving. And then we ran a final round over New Year's Eve. So now we're kind of moving into the after action review phase. And we'll certainly be sure to share the results of that once we have it. Last thing I'll mention is just that You know, every four years we have to update our long range transportation plan. We adopt the HATS formally adopted the plan in September. We did get kind of the formal approval through the federal EPA that it was officially completed and approved by them. So we are, you know, we're we're in compliance and able to move forward with all of our required kind of activities and actions. Jerry, is there anything from a Dauphin County perspective you want to highlight?

Well, there's a couple of things that we were doing and we can talk about, but I'll do it now, but also about REP and the comprehensive plan. Main thing we've been doing is it's been the end of the season for grant applications. So Alexa and I have been working on funding opportunities, both for gaming grants and from the state grants for planning projects. Well, the comprehensive plan in particular on my end of things, but Alexa has been doing about rep, the plan we're doing a, been meeting with the commiss the the 11 communities that have been active we're going to be doing a BMP inventory. We had a RFP out. We've selected through the advisory committee that it's going to be RATU that's going to be doing it now. Again, trying to find as much funding so that municipalities don't have to pay for it. So we've gone, like I said, going for grant applications. We hope to hear about that coming up sometime at the beginning of the year. Once we hear that, then we know how much each individual community is going to be From a planning standpoint for the comprehensive plan, we've been kind of gearing up, ready to go, getting acknowledgements of how we're going to pay for that project. We estimate the project will be about $150,000. We put in for a state grant to pay for half of that. We also put in for a gaming grant to pay for the other half. If both become unsuccessful, we still have to do the plan. So we have to shuffle some of our time around and maybe go back on the scope a little bit. But again, we can talk a little bit about that at the end here as that's an agenda item. So that's mainly what we've been doing from that standpoint. Also, you'll see in here, we talked a little bit about working with the municipalities in terms of their data center ordinances have been quite involved a lot of communities have been asking about it so a lot of the outreach stuff that we've been doing has been kind of giving everybody some background on that so but those are the main things from dauphin at this point for the last two months thank you jerry j i have a question how many municipalities here in dauphin county at the at the height participated in rep uh we had approximately down to 11 yes but we also just found out that Millersburg's interested in joining back in and we also heard that Gary is considering also maybe coming back okay great so we kind of hovered right around that same number correct all right thank you very much anything else LPA report you have it here in front of you there's both months and as I mentioned during the The items there, you see that there was, particularly in December with Karen going up to South Hanover. South Hanover has been looking at modifying their ordinance to match up to their industrial ordinance and things like that because of the area around the quarry is their one industrial district, so everybody's interested in that as well as the access coming from Derry Township.

uh so there's been a lot of activity uh primarily in in those kind of activities otherwise it's been pretty straightforward trying to help everybody out okay thank you any committees any committee reports hearing none we move on to number six new business subdivision land development matters jerry um

You'll have the reports there. There's two months worth of activities. Also, this given to you beforehand is the months or the maps with everything that is there. The main projects pretty much for the This in November was the amendment to the master plan for Hershey West Bend. You may have read about that. They've kind of scaled it down a little bit, taking away some of the kind of commercial development and reshuffling some of the housing development. So there's been a modification on that end of thing. Also, there was the Penn Center campus in and the old hospital within the city has also provided their plan that includes commercial multifamily, the residential units, 134. And then also there's been some modifications in December on the Lower Swatera, the pond on Fooling Mill phase two, 154 units. Also some of the things for Susquehanna, which is 99 single family hut on Riker Road. Those are the bigger projects that we see. Our comments have been pretty much standard and we can talk about any of them if you'd like to.

Anybody want to hear comments that have been submitted by staff on these proposals, these projects? We need to take a vote to ratify staff comments. Do we have a motion to approve?

Cursor moves for both November and December.

And Bob Spanler, I'll second that. Thank you very much. Okay, we've got the motion to approve in a second. Do we have any concerns, any nays? Otherwise, move to a vote. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Anyone opposed? Hearing none, we are

approved okay zoning amendments dairy township let me just let dan robinson in all right all right sorry about that uh yes there is a proposed amendment by uh dairy township a copy of it was provided to you plus our review letter the The ordinance is a very unique one. I'll read the first paragraph. This ordinance amendment is proposed recognizing the certain commercial uses and all industrial uses create automobile or truck traffic that is detrimental to residential uses and activities and pinches upon the resident's appropriate use and enjoyment of their properties. The purpose of this amendment is to limit the negative impacts of commercial and industrial traffic on and from driveways, access drives, access roads, common drives, and other private access ways have upon township residents and the use of their homes. It will also help in limiting intense development in zoning districts that are planned for such development and protect areas that are zoned for less intensive development. So what they have done is passed an ordinance which kind of gives some sort of restrictive terms of access and abilities to enter onto different roads for the different types of uses within the type of zoning districts. We reviewed the ordinance and the letter that you see is in front of us, and some of the things that is said there is pretty much our general comments on this thing. This is actually a very unique type of ordinance. We've never seen anything tried like this. We're kind of a bit way curious on how they think they may be able to do that because traffic and limiting traffic has always been a concern of all kind of developments, regardless of scope and size. The MPC has some provisions that talk about managing access, but does not have details on it. But it doesn't allow you to control off-site requirements or things like that for commercial development. So that is, if it's touching your property, then municipalities can control what you do. But if your effects are downstream, so to speak, on the highway, you really don't be able to regulate it. That we see is going to be a major issue with this ordinance. But if there's something out there that they think they can do, we'd be very anxious to see it. And therefore, we're basically asking their solicitor to give this a really good review. We're not necessarily saying we're in favor of it. We're not necessarily saying we're against it. It's just that this is such a unique bird that we think that they should take a really better look at it. And in a lot of ways, we're not quite sure if this is actually legal.

Yeah, it's kind of a gray area. Have we informally asked the township for

maybe some examples of what they're thinking about some particular driveways or particular street no not necessarily but i think a lot of this comes off of that uh the improvements that it's in Hershey West End that's being done. I also think it's the improvements that are being done in South Hanover through the road, like I mentioned that from that industrial area coming on to Hershey Park Drive, those kinds of things. I think that's what they're looking at is being the main driver of why they're doing this.

So just driving. So this is talking about just driving through I understand what you're saying. If the business is in Derry, you can do it. But they're talking about vehicles actually just driving through the township.

Right. They're looking at trying to somehow control the amount of traffic coming from a site and how it regulates on that type of use onto the highways. You don't know how you do that. We don't need it. Well, you can. I have experience in working with things like this. But it's transportation improvement districts in which you have to do a whole study. You have to look at the whole corridor. You have to look at what the trip volume is going to be. You can regulate it. But there is legislation out there. There's a way to do it. You have funding ways to pay for it and things like that. How they're just going to do it through a blanket zoning regulations, I'm not quite sure. What is interesting is just as part of that, There was information that came today from the Pennsylvania Planning Association that the House Bill 1764 is looking at something very similar in terms of looking at impacts of developments from one community to another community. And therefore, they're part of this regulations that they're looking at is amending the MPC to have what they call developments of regional impacts. And it has to go through like a joint commission and other kind of things. So I think what dairy is looking at is something that everybody's concerned with. The state has started thinking about that. Whether or not these two can match up, we'll wait and see. Where this stands, I think it's going to go to committee. Let's see if I have a summary here. But in essence, but it's House Bill 1764 that was introduced by Freeman Madden. Probably out of the southeast, I'm going to guess. I'm assuming that's it.

Yeah, Freeman's from Bethlehem.

Well, just because it's introduced does not mean it's going to become law. That's for sure. That's right.

Yeah, I agree with that too. But it's just interesting that things like that are happening at the same time. But again, our recommendation as a staff is not necessarily plus or negative, but it's to provide comments.

okay so we need to have the commission here approve staff comments on dairy township's uh amended zoning ordinance uh do we have any motions just one question for mr chairman so uh for the staff so you you are putting in your comments uh clearly that there is a concern on the legality of this is that correct oh

How we state it is Dauphin Planning Commission recommends thorough vetting of the proposed amendment through the township solicitor. Okay.

Do we think that it will come back to us after that vetting? for additional follow-up, or is this the one shot that we have to make comments?

Well, what happens is whenever there's a change to the ordinance, it's technically if it's something that we agreed to or told them to do, then we won't see it. But because this is so grand and such a different change, I would assume we're going to get another clear once they kind of go through the process of vetting this through.

Should we include something to that effect in here that we'd like to see it come back through after the vetting?

We can ask. We can always ask. Jerry, you have any opposition that's asking? No, I could add. Let's put Chris's recommendation. We asked that the township include us in whatever final decision or final legal finding that their solicitor has.

We'll all be learning from whatever

whatever they uh figure out I guess yeah yes hopefully we won't get uh have to spend our own dime in legal costs well you're assuming their solicitor knows what he or she is doing that's all the truth true way to find out is to get sued that's right yeah that's right yeah but Jerry you feel but Jerry you feel the language that you've proposed in item number five of this letter it clearly

Spells out the concern. Yes. That's kind of open. Okay. Seems a little open-ended to me. If you truly do have a concern that it meets the municipality's planning code, I don't understand why we wouldn't say that.

Well, here we do say it in one. It says it's likely regulations reaching beyond municipal boundaries as opposed to the amendments may not be supported by the MPC. Forgive me. Thank you. That's great.

All right, so now any further questions? Can we get a motion to approve?

Motion to approve.

Do we have a second? Bob Spindler, I'll second that. Okay, all in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Okay, any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Jerry, with that one amended Christie suggestion, we send your comments on to the municipality.

And what I will do is, Mr. Chairman, I will add the sentence and send it to you for your approval. And then we have your signature on file. We'll fix it whenever it's fine.

Okay. All right. We move on to 6C, Intergovernmental Reviews. And we have Lower Swatara and South Andover Township.

Yes, Lower Swatera Township is requesting funding from a local share account statewide program to complete improvements to Greenfield Park. Includes the installation of a half a basketball court with fencing, two age-appropriate playground structures, swing set, and other kind of ADA improvements. The value, let's see if we have that left. Sometimes they give it to us. Look at it beforehand. $475,000. Should I do the other one too?

Yeah, let's do both.

The other one is GC Smith Water Treatment Plant. This is Pennsylvania American Water. It's seeking $22,720,000 through Penvest through their drinking water grant program to construct a new PFAS treatment building along with piping and stormwater management improvements. That's at 2200 East Canal Street in Hummelstown. So again, it's to improve their water treatment function. Both of these ones, we find it consistent with our plans. Both the recreation improvements, it's always something to improve. And with the water treatment is always improving infrastructure as well.

So we wrote our staff comments where we support these.

We don't necessarily say we support, we find it consistent with our comprehensive plan. Point well taken. Okay.

Motion to approve, staff. Motion to approve the staff comments on the government.

Thank you very much. Second. Mary and Gary, thank you. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion to approve staff comments or non-comment, whatever it was. Consistent, yes. Passes. Okay. Additional items? Gary.

Yeah, the REP program I mentioned a little bit under the progress report. We've been working with those 11 communities, not only with adding grant applications for other projects that were identified as flooding issues. We've submitted four or five, I think, on behalf of some of those communities. So we're waiting to hear whether or not some of those flooding programs, projects, and a couple of the municipalities are going to get funded. We also have submitted for the grant for doing the the BMP project. That one's being important because DEP is changing their requirements for their next MS4 permits in which they're looking at volume control of pollution through a volume basis rather than just by sediment. So a lot of these communities who are in RAP either do have a real good system or don't have a real good system for managing it, knowing what they have and don't have. those communities that do have a good system what we're trying to do is take their information and making sure it's consistent those who don't we're going to go out there and have a consultant look it up look the information make it consistent with everybody else's so that there's two points one is that they will have a very good database that will help them with their ms4 permit and also give us the next project because if we know what everybody has and we know where If we can put something that benefits as many or as hopefully all 11 communities for them. the other thing that's good about this is that dep is giving a huge bonus for communities that work together in some standardized way this rep program is something that's going to help these communities a lot because then then they basically show that they're meeting their requirements through an organized effort so thank you jerry i would like to point out to everybody the staff i guess the staff are gone other than jerry but our fellow commission members

this rep program this water uh management program was basically a political bomb that fell on lebanon county york county lancaster county the only county that didn't have a tremendous amount of electoral fallout and i mean you know township level county commissioner level over this program is dauphin county dolphin county with steve deck and jerry now jerry and andrew leading the charge on this you guys have done such a finesse job on this and such a good job of incorporating people's opinions and asking people do they want to participate and if they don't find have a nice life It's gone so unbelievably well. We're at a point now where I think we're kind of the poster child, Dauphin County, for this kind of work. In Maryland, where they have county government, not local government, not municipal government, there was tremendous pushback, a lot of sound and fury over what people call the rain tax. Dauphin County has avoided that. And I'm really proud of you, Jerry. I am. And if Steve Deck were here, I would tell him I was proud of him, too, for making this a success. Because the work has to be done. The question is, how do you do it? And you guys have done a tremendous amount of carrots and salesmanship. And it's much appreciated. Thank you. Okay, next up is Dauphin County Comp Plan.

Yes, as I mentioned that before we were seeking funding for the project, the program, we have a scope that we've kind of started to put together in the next six months is going to be the outreach portion of it. Regardless of whether or not we get all the $150,000 or we get a portion of it, one of the things that we have to start establishing is What's the most important thing for the communities? So Andrew mentioned a number of surveys that are out there right now that Tri-County is doing. We were talking amongst ourselves. We don't want to overwhelm everybody with another survey because we'll get sort of lost in it. But we do think that there is some benefit for having a survey. So we've kind of modeled what we're planning on doing as having a more of a high level, what do you think type of thing. So we're going to go and do that. And then whenever we get, if we get more money later on, we're going to be spending more towards the analysis of what we've done and what we've done. We can get the outreach at the back end of things rather than the front end of things. Again, it's sort of an idea that maybe we can get the main ideas and then we can boil them really think we can do the benefit. So the survey is starting to get, is basically ready to roll. We're going to go start meeting with municipalities, ask them to put it in their newsletters, put it in outreach. If we do get extra money, we're talking about adding, having some advertisement, things like that so we can get them going together. That's the survey part. Then also too, we're looking at starting our putting together an advisor group. The Planning Commission members are going to be notified of that. They can be a part of this advisor group. They can have a separate one, however you guys decide to do it. But the advisor groups will be made of municipal representatives, planning professionals, and community advocates that will provide general oversight. We're looking at a couple different overview type groups. One is like a professional peer group of planners within the Dauphin County to get their viewpoint. But then there's also just the general everybody kind of thing. So we're not sure how we're going to do that again. We're kind of thinking, well, maybe in February, we have a better idea how much money we're going to have so that see how deep we can go. But that'll also lead us to the back end of the whole out of reach, which is interviews and one-on-one interviews with people within those focus groups. One of them we've always been talking about is housing, but other things, recreation, economic development, and everything else with individual people who've been highlighted in that process to try and boil down. So the idea for the next six months will be out there data gathering, and then we will end up starting synthesizing all that in the back end of 2026 with the goal of trying to get everything lined up and done by our deadline, which is next year, it's 2027. Next year. So our plan is, it's aggressive. It's, I think, pretty well thought out. The question is, will we have enough money to do it the way we want to? And I think the answer will be coming pretty quickly from a lot of the grants. If not, we'll be able to do it. It's just a matter of how we're going to have to focus our attention on other things. I don't know, Andrew, if there's anything else you want to talk about on that end of things, because I know we talked a little bit about how we want to make sure that all of our plans with the comprehensive plan and all these plans we've been talking about really flow together. And, you know, we want to make sure that these things that we're all doing just don't stand as an island, but make it. And that's something that Andrew is kind of very much in favor of and supporting.

Yeah, I mean, I don't really have anything that I'll say that it kind of comes from our sort of approach that we've started taking with with our hats plans and documents and that kind of the, you know, our our regional transportation plan serves as the overarching document and then kind of within that we have an active transportation plan. We have a congestion management plan, we have a safety plan, the same type of kind of strategy would be for Dauphin County, the comp plan is kind of the overarching umbrella and then under that are these are these kind of more specific focus plans so that you know within the comp plan itself there's not an an overwhelming amount of detail about these things it's kind of a summary of the plan and then if you want that overwhelming amount of detail you go into that into that specific plan itself so trying to kind of set ourselves up for that kind of since a long-term thing because it's you know you kind of have to take takes a lot of time to go over to kind of turn over all of those all of those plans so trying to set ourselves up for that i think is a goal we have moving forward especially with this with this comp plan specifically thank you andrew all right uh no votes on number seven now we move into uh any last thoughts any last comments by any members of the commission any uh guests

I have a quick question. The saldo plans that we have the list of in the packet, should each of those be on the map, the GIS map?

There should be. There should be on there, Chris. Yes, there should be.

All right. I tried to look up the one in Susquehanna on Reichert Road, and I couldn't see. that that one was there. And the reason that I did was just because there's a lot of parcels and not a lot of property or acreage there. On average, those parcels are like 50 feet by, and I don't know, this is just the frame of reference that I had. I just looked at 50 feet and it would be 290 feet long if it was 55 feet or 50 feet wide. So, but I was just trying to see maybe what the layout looked like.

Well, maybe Andrew can go through and show how generally it's done. So pick one and maybe... Because what you'll see is whenever you go in, if it's color-coded, that means it's usually on this month's list of things. And then on the left-hand side, you see in the legend, we try to match it up, whether or not it's big commercial or small commercial or as big type of thing. So... So then whenever you go do that, can you pick one, Andrew?

Yeah.

So if you go into more information, then what you see is in the front here is all of our comments and our standard. Then you get an abbreviated copy of the plans. Okay. And you can kind of take a look and see what it really is being done. Now, this is the full set of plans. Now, if you were here in the office here, since this is the first time in a long time where you don't have to carry stuff, the plans are all down here.

Okay.

So the full set of everything is down here. And, of course, any time if you wanted to come into the office or have any questions about some of those things, we can certainly make that available. But this is kind of the idea of what – Now, I did not go in and check these all again. Usually I try to do that to make sure everything matches up. So sometimes maybe one or two gets lost, but I'm not sure what happened with this plan that's in Susquehanna Township. And it could be also too, the chart is a little bit off too. Sometimes people put the numbers in wrong. And what we'll do is later on in the year, try to match it up to make sure that that's right too, because sometimes that gets funky.

I just wanted to make sure I was looking at the right spot. And I think I was, but I appreciate the test drive through that one that you brought up there.

I think we are missing a point here, but yeah.

And it could be, you know, one of the things that happens whenever we have a missing month meeting sometimes. And then also what's also bad is we got a 25 to 26 crossover. So that might have caused some other kind of things. What we'll do is make sure it's on that. We archive all these on our database so you can go back and see 24, 25 and everything else. So we'll make sure that's in there. Thank you, Chris, for bringing that to our attention. Thanks. Thank you.

oh there you go okay so did you see what i did there i did not if you go into the into the into this and hit the layers button okay on the legend or well not on that left oh for 26. it's in there for 26 then you can click that and it's in there cool thank you i appreciate it It is a lot of lots in there, though. You are correct.

Well, and Chris, you're in good company. We're all still thinking it's 2025. We haven't quite moved on to 26 yet.

I haven't moved past 1977. Okay.

Any further questions? All right. Any further comments? Hearing none, we move into adjournment. Do we have a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Okay, we had Joe. Thank you. Thank you, Joe. Thank you very much, Mr. Ex, former chairman. All right. Thank you, everybody. See you next month. Thank you.

Enjoy your day.

Take care, everybody.

Thanks, everyone.