Planning & Zoning - Special Meeting

The planning and zoning commission will come to order. Um, I'd like to ask for approval of the minutes of the April meeting, please. I'll move to approve. Thank you. Can I get a second? I'll second that. Thank you, Sam. All those in favor, please say yes or raise your hand. Yes. Thank you. Okay, let's go ahead and do the financial report, please, Terry. Okay, this will be a quick summary again. The financial sheets you're looking at your AP our April year to date. So, it's the 10th month of our fiscal year. And if we were, you know, right on whatever we were forecasting, it'd be our percentages would be at 83%. And if you look at the first page and look under income, our uh April year-to- date income is 193,428, which is 86% of our total income that we adopted as part of our budget amendment. It's actually higher than what our original budget was. So, we're actually at 86% of our budget amendment forecasted total year income versus uh 83% if we were right on plan. So, we're we're over on on income for all the reasons we've talked about in the past. If you go to the next page of expenses and go right down to the bottom of the page for total expenditures, you'll see that our total expenditures April fiscal year to date is 185,932 compared to our our budget amendment that we did in December of 244,000. So again, we're 76% of our total forecasted expenses versus if we were right on our forecasted plan, it would be 83%. So we're under on expenses. Some has let us do is that we have not got a bill yet from Lyndon for bluegrass ad and and Lyndon services, but that won't

push us over. U so that's really a summary. You know, it's we're over on revenue and under on expenses versus our budget amendment and versus our original budget as we have been pretty much all year. Okay. Thank you. Do we need a motion to approve? Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We need a motion to approve the financial report. Thank you, Tom. And I'll second it. Thank you, Sam. All those in favor, please say yes or raise your hand. I Thank you. Um, let's go on to the construction shities, please. Oh. uh the letters of credit and cash funds. Lisa tells me there's no no change in it. Anything else in regards to that? I not that I'm aware of. No. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. We're going to move on then to sub subdivision approvals. And the first is the Caster LLC. Um, can you give us a little bit of a summary in regards to that, please? All right. The Caster LLC, this is a this is a division of 797 acre parcel of land with an existing home, an existing frontage uh simply being conveyed uh for that single family home. and uh reviewing the plat there. No deficiencies noted.

Okay. Thank you. Would anyone like to speak in favor of this um subdivision approval, please? The reason or what was brought up with this with TRS is this lot is actually zoned RM2. even though it is in the country, it is in Parksville, it is zoned RM2. Um, and as you're probably aware, our RM2 district when it comes to land that does not have sewer to it. Um, it says not applicable, which Michaela always took to mean that we could not have that lot in that area. This is already zoned that the um septic tank is already existing with the home. She's attempting to cut the home off. Um so we need to know whether or not we can make that a lot in order to allow her to separate the home from the barn. And Lisa, I believe there are other buildings in the area that do the same thing. There's other buildings there with the septic tank that besides this particular location. This is this is not a new instance. This is common to the common to the area. Okay. Please speak in favor. I'm Dale Sheperson with AG Engineering and and you're exactly correct. There's multiple lots right along 34 going into Parksville that are under an acre. They're all in the residential zone. However, there is no sanitary sewer in Parksville. So, uh this this lot will it will uh it will coincide with the other lots just just that's already existing. Uh this is about a probably a 80year-old house. It's it's a it is a farmhouse but it is definitely in the district of all these small lots if you will. Does it meet all

the other RM2 requirements other than sewer? Yes, other than sewer. Yes. Dale, what's the plan for the farm remainder? Will it be buildable for residential purposes? Uh, it could be. Um, that's not that's not the plan. You know, plans change, but that's not the plan. It's to to remain a Okay. There's no activity on their books that I know of to change to do anything else by this group. Yeah. And the the owner of Castar's here, so you can probably vouch for that. keep farming. Okay. Would anybody else like to ask a question? Thank you, Kendall. Mr. Jefferson. Anyone else want to speak in favor? I'm sorry, Madam Chair. If I could just ask and maybe you went over this Dale, but this is to the owner as well. What What is the purpose of the subdivision if the uses are going to remain the same? Do you mind coming forward so that we can make sure that you are on record? State your name, please, and address. Hi, I'm Tammy Carr. The address of the property is 7890 Lebanon Road, Parksville, Wilanville. Um, the purpose is that we have just had we kept it as a rental house thinking that we may at one point want to remodel it and live there oursel and we do not. Um, so we just we don't want it as a rental anymore. We want someone to buy it and take care of it and make it their own. Thank you so much. Anyone else want to speak in opposition? If not, discussion amongst the commissioners.

seems very straightforward. No, one time we talked briefly about whether or not we had a concern for precedence in terms of future lots, but you don't think we do, Henry, as long as it's an existing building on this lot. You what was the concern about future lots? Although that we'd be setting a precedence by allowing you RM2 with no sewer, right? Well, the other issue is that there already are others that are have kind of set precedent. That's the precedent they're relying on for this uh seemingly there is no septic in Parksville period. Sewer rather sewer the sewer se the septic tanks are there. The question before you is whether we're making a nonconformity worse because that would be a prohibited action by the commission. Mhm. Um instead of instead of reszoning it to RM one and then going from there. Is that correct? Do we know what the adjacent lots are zoned as that already exist as housing there? There is a joining land that's zoned uh the same the zoned R2 and uh it is a nonconformity but it's one you might want to consider you know not just changing lot by lot but as a group uh under the uh comprehensive plan update you can say you know we need we do have nonconformities. We need to work through these and set out the program for how you go about that. RM2 doesn't require it to be a double. There's no requirement that there be

more than one house on it. It makes it allowable to have more than one house on it. Yeah. And and so this is completely allowable to have a single house on an R2. It's not It doesn't require it. The issue is a sewer, right? I I'm because there is no sewer. We I I I take that as a is not as is not really an issue for us. It's not making it any worse than it was. Right. It's not making it any worse. And doesn't appear any there's no solution to get to the answer that we have on our books. Sewer. I think this is easy. I'm sorry. They may have asked you for a question then Kendall. I'm not I don't have anything to say other than I thought there might be a question or something. Great. So, would anyone like to make a motion? I'll I'll move to approve the request. Thank you. Second. Thank you. All those in favor, please say yes or raise your hand. Yes. Thanks. Thank you, Kim. Thank you very much. Let's move on then to the public hearings. We'll need to have a motion to go into a public hearing. So moved. Okay, I'll take that and a second. Thank you. All right, we're going to have a public hearing to talk about Title Town holdings. Can someone give us a bit of a summary about that, please? Uh what they're looking to do, this is zoned highway business. They're looking to put a uh building on the property, a market. I think in one place it calls it a restaurant but um it's a site plan for commercial development. Um in reviewing it nothing

there were no deficiencies noted. Um it's just a um commercial site of three I think it's 3.28 acres 3.42 42 acres or 342 acres. Sorry, small located on Lexington Avenue and it is zoned highway business. So, we're looking at approving the site plan. Correct. Okay. Can anybody speak in favor of that, please? I'm Colton Mclo. I'm with Vantage Engineering. I'm representing Title Town Holdings. The owner's here as well. He can answer any questions about the use of the building, but this is so it's 750 East Lexington. This is where the current um it's an old small farmers bank building. If you look at the site plan, it's it's hatched. It's kind of light, but it says existing bank to be demolished to give you a little bit better frame of reference. So, it's actually an out parcel, but it was created as a part of the Green Leaf Shopping Center subdivision. So, while our lot's not that big, we do have the rights to use all of the parking in the Green Leaf Shopping Center as well as the new spots that we'll be providing. Okay. Yeah, that was one of the questions I had for the parking. So, thank you. Appreciate that. And the purpose for the new building is so I mostly understand it to be a restaurant but I will the owner like I said can answer it a little bit better if he wants to come up here. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Would you mind coming forward? Good afternoon. My name's Alex McCrosski. I'm the former proprietor of

Harvey's Restaurant on Fourth Street. Uh we have undertaken the uh task of building a new restaurant. We've acquired the the land that's in front of you. Now it is first and foremost going to be a restaurant. We are also going to have a market attached to it. So you can come in and buy Kentucky Proud stuff. We're going to carry a lot of different things. I'm going to hand cut steaks, chop stuff without a bone in it because we're not buying a bunch of saws. Uh so our use is completely I think within the zoning parameters. Uh and I hope everybody comes and eats some barbecue because that's going to be the main purpose of it. So any other questions? About 800 square feet of the new building will be a market. The rest of it will be restaurant. It'll be a small bar. We'll open up to the outside. We'll have as much outside seating towards 34 as we do inside. So, uh, we're looking forward to it. It's going to be a lot of fun. Thank you, sir. Would anybody else like to speak in favor? Is there anyone who would like to speak in opposition to this site plan? If not, can I get a motion? I'll make a motion we approve. Thank you. Can I get a second? Second. Thank you. All those in favor say yes. Yes. Thank you. All right. We approved. Then we need to move on to J-Max LLC. Can I get a summary of it?

This is a property of um 1.4 439 acres zoned highway business. Uh again, this is going to be a uh restaurant site. It's a solo site, one building, one on one lot. There'll be a little bit more grading on this site than usual. You can see the topography to it. Um, however, as a whole, there was no deficiencies, no inadequate parking, just a matter of getting the grading to sort itself out. The uh plat has a post office box on it, not an address. Is there an address, physical address? So, Colt McLeone Vantage Engineering again Dean Way or Dean Drive, I can't remember what it's called, is actually what is it ties in to 150 right now, kind of directly across from the new storage buildings and the skating ring. And so, it the road is not done. They're out there paving it right now. So, we haven't been assigned an address yet. It's the lot. If you're on Shannon Way, New Shannon Way, it'd be the lot to the right of Auka. If you're on 150, it's to the left. But we haven't been assigned an address yet. So it's just Dean Way. The PO box is just the owner's mailing address, right? But for the PLA purpose of filing the plat, I really would like to have an address. Well, this is a development plan and not the plat. Okay. So for when they record the plat with the county clerk, it'll have to have an address then. Yeah. So I just make sure

that we have it. Thank you. Thank you. Anything more to the summary? There's a lot of restaurants going up in town, but you can stick around and eat here, Linda. That's a good point. Would you like to speak in favor of this? Could anyone be opposed? If not, can I get a motion? Just a question. Have we um the the parking arrangement is that met all the requirements? Yes. Yes. Parking spaces. Yeah. Okay. Make a motion to approve. Thank you. And second. Thank you. All in favor say yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So then we are going to move on to the Boil County Homeless Coalition. And I do need to let you all know that because of my membership on the board with uh Danville family, uh I will be abstaining from the vote, but I have been told by our legal authority that I may continue to be a part of the meeting, but I will be abstaining. And I believe and I need to do the same thing because I've been advising the homeless coalition in preparing for this. So I will abstain from voting. So it allows us to have a a quorum but we are each allowed to abstain and therefore if we obtain four votes that would be a majority. So that would be adequate. So let's go ahead and have a summary of

this please. Okay this is a tract of just under one acre. It's n69 acres. Um, this is a zone change plat, a plat meant to reflect the exact boundaries as you would in a survey plat for recording for the uh zone change itself. as to uh any deficiencies, any comments. It just sort of is illustrative for the purpose of the zone change. Um I'm not certain actually that it requires a um a vote as it is uh just a part of a zone change. It's going from two family residential RM2 to central business district um in pursuit of developing um facilities for homeless uh and housing uh situations. But um it's a zone change that's been applied for and this is concurrent with that. I I think that why wouldn't it require a vote? I I don't know what's actually to be approved or denied as to this isn't a plat or a development plan. It's it's the site plan related to a zone change, right? And it could be submitted uh with the the zone change itself. uh upon its approval, it can then be recorded as such as a central business district property.

But um I I've looked through the zoning ordinance and I you know conventionally this would just be applied with the zone change itself. Um I don't know this request change zone change. We we have a zone change request. Oh, that's what it was. So, we do need I'm sorry. We do need I thought the zone change was next month. Uh, as far as the plaque goes, then it's fine. It's It's illustrative of the zone change that's being requested. All right. Would you like to speak in favor? Well, I'm Dale Sheperson with A Engineering and we're doing the work uh for for the company and Okay. Uh this zone change the that we we are acquiring um all the property to the rear of this property or to the to the west if you'd like to say is zoned commercial on uh Fourth Street. And there are three residential uh houses to the south of this property. Um of course across across Third Street is commercial. Um Jacob Street is commercial. or Jacob Lane, what whatever that is. Um, this property does meet the flume, the future land use map. Um, it shows it as being commercial. Of course, a general business is a form of commercial. So, that's what we're uh standing on to um get the zone change approved. and um after after or and if the zone change is approved then there's a conceptual plan I guess in you all's packets I don't have that we did not do the conceptual plan but I think there's a conceptual

plan sort of shows you what what's going on what's going to be there so I'll try to answer any questions if you have any if if I need to jail are you still working on plat for us to approve the is there a plat for for us to approve like in the future. How does that a plat a zone change? It it doesn't require a plat to be recorded. Okay. Site plan. I guess it's a site plan. What was talking about as far as the plat this is just a zone change request, right? So, a lot of the questions we may have would be those we may bring up when we see a plat. Yes. Um, if this is approved, uh, then and that at that time there's going to have to be a site plan. Um, that's when we'll come back with new plat showing what's going to be there, drainage, sanitary, sewer, water, you know, all the all the good stuff will be on be on that plat. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So, our suggestion is whether or not it is a to change the zone and what it is any restrict and any restrictions we would want to put on that zone change. That is correct. That's right. Any conditions? Great. Thank you. Would anybody else like to speak in favor of this zone change? Good afternoon. Steve Sleeper, uh, Boil County Magistrate, and I would just like to voice my support for the project that this zone change would enable. Um, this uh home, this project is not just like a a drop in uh homeless shelter or something

of that nature. It is a plan that uh will enable uh people who are struggling uh maybe with a homeless or unhoused situation. It gives them assistance in that they are required to be a part of a program that will uh guide them and enable them to have self-sufficiency. So it's a very good plan. They have a number of strong partnerships that they have forged and so I think it's a very positive development for our community. Thank you. Again, I would in general would start asking some questions, but technically this zone change is independent of what's going on there. Is that correct? I mean, do we do we need to get into the fact that it's going to be a potential homeless shelter or not? I think that is something that we can consider just as with all zone changes, you know, use restrictions, the type of conditions that we sometimes put on these um right on these properties. And I think that when you look at the staff report, the the goal and objective cited there about housing and providing housing for low-income and disadvantaged persons is a good justification for this contingent on us thinking about the use. So, I think that's part and parcel of what they're suggesting today. So, anyone who would want to provide um background background or information that they would like to share, this would be a time to do that. Yes, Mr. Yeah. I think we would want to hear from the board. Hi, I'm Michelle. I'm the director at family services. Um so this is a plan that we've um different um agencies in the community have come together to work on. Um I do want to clarify that it's not going to be a homeless shelter. Um we're going to partner Marple Michelle Marple. Um we are going

to be working with the school systems to build tiny homes for single parents and children who are couch hopping or unhoused. This will not be a drop in andout homeless shelter. This will not be a sober living. This will be something completely different than what you may envision. It's for a certain group of people that that there are they're kind of the middle people that there's really not a a housing solution for them. And we would like to create that in partnership with the schools for the families. So the family services association handles the logistics of identifying the people dealing with the issue. Yes, we're going to um we're going to partner with the schools to get the families in the list and and talk with them about the candidates. How how often are people in houses often changed in and out? So, everybody, it'll be individual. It'll be a little different from everyone because we want to solve the problem that got them homeless in the first place. We don't want to just house them. We want them to enroll in school to learn to enroll in soft skills classes to gain the skills that they need to overcome the barrier. So, some of these people are going to be entering college, you know, to get an associate or maybe a bachelor's degree. It may be two or three years. Um, so this is really a long-term temporary solution to overcome the barriers to give them a stable place. These people will be um we're going to create a program for these people um after once they're employed, after they're there's going to be goals that they have to keep meeting at every step to stay in the program. And so, as they meet those goals, they're getting more income. they will begin to pay rent. We're not sure exactly what those numbers are going to be yet, but but hopefully to put it in sort of an escrow account for them so that when they do successfully complete the program, now they've got a down payment for a home or somewhere that's going to be permanent for them. No, it's just, you know, without getting into sizes of things, that's almost an acre.

There's existing buildings there. We're not on the not on the plots. They're empty. that on the plot. The area that you're going to build is empty. Yes. It'll have to accommodate if you've got 20 buildings there. Well, I think we're going to start with four. Okay. I I don't know. That sounds a little more easy. In in my world, we get into the end point. Well, how much how big how many could you have? Because now you get into parking and travel people in and out, safe areas for people to get in. They're not always going to stay in the building obviously, so they're going to be around the area. It's like having a community, a local community in that area. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be a tiny house community. Even down to is where the city park is because it's not next door. You if you're going to go to the playground or the splash center because the city has lots of good areas which help families. Yeah, there's one on Second Street right by the um the apartments right down from it. You're right. Um but I our plan is to do it in stages. So we're going to start with like two, three, four maybe. Um, so this is so it won't be all at once at all. Do you know and the other thing that happens we put a a zoning on a given property, it's there forever unless somebody comes in and changes it. If we go to the commercial category um um the family services association is the one that owns the property I guess and they could sell it to somebody else. So we have to consider those sort of events when you get into making commercial categories. I don't foresee family services. It's not going to happen anywhere in the near future, but it can be 10 20 years. It's part of logistics on it has to do with how do you represent this? Hi, I'm Melissa Mallister. I'm the chair of the family services board right now. And I just wanted to add that there's a limit. Um the long-term plan is for 12 tiny home communities, but we're also doing

it in phases so that we can see how it is going before we go to the next phase. So how long does a tiny tiny home before it needs to be replaced? I'm just a simple find out that's why we're doing the phases. Okay. I mean, these will be substantial structures. They're not Yeah. From what I've read here, you they're nice homes. You just they're not big. Yeah. But they are in the categories that and there are models for this uh across the country that we've been consulting and and looking at for our plans as well. And who's providing the funding to to build the homes? Is the ongoing maintenance? I mean, where does that come from? So all that I know we we have a large group. Come on out. Come on. Come on out. We brought an army. So obviously the homeless coalition is here and all of these questions and all of these answers came from a multitude of people. Didn't come from just one meeting and that's why it was so important that we bring everybody. My name is Stephanie Blevens. I'm with Heart of Kentucky United Way. We are a supporter of this program. Um part of this is that yes, it is in phases and we will be learning as we go, which is why we're not going to jump in and do 12. The Family Services Association has been a long-standing 100-year-old organization that has the support of Heart of Kentucky United Way. Yes. So, they will they will be here long after we are all gone. I I was trying to get to where our previous director got to a position of recommending a commercial for the zoning category. I was trying to get that in my mind because commercial would mean a lot of things, large larger businesses, that type of arrangement on there, right? We have uh we're modeling this after some very successful tiny home communities all across the nation uh that have been very successful in bringing people from not being able to meet basic needs to being self- sustaining. Okay. And we

will be doing that not only with the help of family services but other organizations and that will be helping with the programming as well. But I'm not aware of a community in Boil County like this. This is correct. So, I'm trying to understand if if you need to move to another location, the buildings are on a foundation, right? If we needed to move to another location, if we needed to expand, it would be an expansion. Family services will never move. Um, I think they are that is where they originated, and I I have been told that is where they will be. I I love it, but I I can't say never. Right. Sorry, Mr. Leven. Yes. I'm I'm thinking about the I'd like to hear you say the word temporary. And the reason I'd like to hear you say that is because we're going to we're going to be housing people in a commercial zone, which I I think is appropriate if if we hear the word temporary. Absolutely temporary. This is not meant to be long-term housing. In fact, the quicker that we can move them from where they are to sustainability, then we can move the next person in or family in and be able to help them. Absolutely mandatory. That's why it's appropriate for it to be commercial because it's not long-term res. Correct. Right. I I How are we defining short-term? Short-term would be defined it up to a certain year and we're we're debating that whether that maximum is two years, two and a half years. It it will not go past three years. So that gives somebody time to get this the skill set they need, the education they need so they can become self-sustainable. But you're not talking transitional in the sense of days or weeks. Absolutely not. Now, if somebody can sustain that quickly, then we we're miracle workers and we're going to set up a bunch of these. So, right. I think we're all asking kind of the same question that I had when I looked at this, which is what specific use category from our use table are we categorizing this under? I don't know if that's a question for Lyndon or for Dale

or if you all prompt them with I I was trying to let's see um household living that it could be an accessory apartment in the commercial please. It'd be residential, right? If it's uh central business, right? Then it would be the RM3 standard for residential uses. So what's in RM3? Well, so single family attached and detached, but we're we're not talking about um separate lots, are we? We're talking about all of this being on one lot, right? Which I think this would be all on one lot. Kind of transcends what's centrally owned, right? Centrally owned. Uh and it wouldn't even be leased. It would be managed. Managed. Thank you. Thank you. We're trying to help. No, we're trying to get to it. Absolutely. On here. Right. But but here's what I want to We're trying to help them, but we're also I want to have the right words stated today for the record for ourselves for legal purposes. I would think I would think that you would probably put it under the cate category of like hotel or motel extended stay. That's a use for general business. So I think that would cover it. extended stay. But the the intent is these are detached, right? They're they're tiny homes, correct? They're detached dwellings. And so it may be that it's actually single family. You're saying detached, correct? Detached. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Yeah. And we talked about this during technical review. the the picture that we had were the older hotels hotels you could rent get rooms at when you travel with freestanding cabins or freestanding tepee. Correct. You know, they're self-contained. They have bathrooms, bedrooms, kitchens.

They're small. They're self, but in this case, you'd be building those individual units and instead of renting them out as hotel rooms, you'd be correct. Well, they'd be longer stay hotel rooms. This is like a honestly this is like a guest ranch for a or a camp up north. Exactly. That you know that has individual cabins, right? On a big single piece of property. On a big single piece of property that's managed by the lodge. Right. Okay. And and that is a commercial that is that is an appropriate commercial use. Yes. And I think the just my perspective of it is the individualism of it helps the person. this is mine, you know, for six months or nine months or whatever it may be, whatever instead of a complex, you know, if you will. Are we and I the question I came to was here, are we then advocating the use of little homes in the backyards for everybody in the county? No, because this is a this is a commercial zone right now. This is a they're bringing this up on this lot for a commercial zone. I'm I'm gonna guess that if this works out here, they're going to find other lots within the city to manage under, you know, the same. I'm guessing in the future that if this works out and they're, you know, maximum 12 on this lot, that we have a lot of lots open in the city that they may do this, you know, but of course the advantage is is that this lot is already owned by a entity which correct provides services to those who are in need. Correct. And and that is also the exact reason you would not want to do this in a residential. It's the reason it needs to be commercial. As you know in the history of planning zoning gets twisted all sorts of ways.

So I'm just playing a little bit of No, that's good. Aggravation here just to be make sure I understand so we can justify and make sure this is the right thing to do in my mind. You have I'm not this is not allowing auxiliary buildings for everybody in the county. No. This is a commercial lot on this lot. This is a commercial zone change on this lot only. And I I just I brought it in here. Yeah. Yeah. Tom, just make sure we say it out loud. That's what makes it unique. Is there anybody else who would like to speak in favor or provide background? Okay. Is there anybody who would like to speak in opposition to this zone change? Any further discussion amongst the commissioners? I guess my only question is, you know, do we feel like we need to restrict the the use of this property to these to these tiny homes or are we just going to change it to commercial and in the future family services sell it? I like the idea of the idea of asking them. I like the idea of asking the proposants to to put a restriction on it. I I think it's a it's a good way to lock the event so we don't get another commercial somebody else come in and do it again. We're not advocating use of tiny homes at this point to put a restriction in that that you only do what you're proposing to us today. Yeah. Not a restaurant or not a restaurant, not a hotelity. Yes, we agree. Thank you. No, we probably we have we probably ask Henry to be thinking about what that verbiage should be about. We ask Henry to give us some verbiage for

that restriction. Steve, do I have I have another question I guess of family services and of Dale. I'm presuming that as you go forward with the plat you'll take into account parking needs of current resident current tenants of of your building. Yes. And that's part of the reason why we're doing the phases too because we you you look at it and you make a plan but we will see as we go along to make sure that everything is included that needs and if that means that you know we maybe we build nine or 10 instead we will definitely make that adjustment. Henry, have we given you enough time? I think if we cherrypick from the narrative that they've sent, I think you could define it thus that um 10 to 15 tiny homes, some designed for individuals, some designed for single parents with one or two children. The community would be comprised of unhoused people seeking support for transitioning a full safe and secure independence and state that is the intended use of the property. The other way you could do it is to exclude things. You know, the commercial zone is open to pretty much everything but industrial uses. You could specifically in exclude, for example, kennels, bars or lounges, restaurants, or you could combine the two. How about everything except for up to 12 times? We you mean because we that's what we're getting a head knot there that we that that we exclude everything except for up to 12 tiny homes. All right. I think that's manageable. Can I get a motion to that effect? Let me ask a clarification question. What's the maximum size of a tiny home? I think that will be dictated by the development standards for the zone which most of those talk about lot coverage. I

have not. This is where you get into the Yeah, I know we're getting into the weeds here a little bit, but it's an important It's Now's the time to ask the question. [Music] We got somebody that's going to answer. Hi, good afternoon everyone. Dr. Jennifer Gond, uh, service treasurer with Boville County Homeless Coalition and standing on my tiptoes so I can see you all. Um, as Michelle and Stephanie pointed out, we are designing this in phases. The Boil County Homeless Coalition has closely partnered with family services to do this alongside many, many other community partners. For phase one, to answer your question, um, Dr. Collier, it's uh we're estimating the first phase, which is a family unit, to be about 20 by 20 square feet. So about 400 square 20 by 20, so about 400 square feet. the individual homes which are a part of phase two will be smaller. So um we will see this as it goes along and I would like to encourage um the commissioners to think of with this restrictions if we could build in some of that room not just state 12 but that 10 to 15 range that we had on our summary would be helpful. Thank you. Can I get a motion? Andy, can you restate the motion? A motion if we choose to approve. Right. Exactly. A motion to recommend approval of the proposed zone map amendment restricting use on the property uh to only the use proposed by the applicant, namely up to 12 tiny homes. And this recommendation is justified by the housing goal and objective listed on the fourth page of the staff report. Well, plus they can have the existing

building on that that'll be part of this in addition to the building. In addition to the existing building and uh Henry, if we could change that to 15 rather than 12. Dr. gone direct for that to be we can and what I'm looking at in these the standards that apply to this you look first look to central business but then it says when you're talking about residential use in central business then you jump to RM3 they can cover 80% of the lot and there are lot area requirements square feet for the number of units on the property which is something you'll have to work with it might be possible to have some kind of variance from those standards I don't want to predict that on the fly Um, when you bring the plat, it'll be interesting. It I'd ask for you to do the math. I'd ask for you to really do the math on the the number of buildings and the number of parking spots like because there are national standards for that and to just I I remember I remember when I was asked to go help figure out parking for the barbecue festival and I'm like okay I look I looked up what the national standards are and it was it was not close to what they thought they could put out there and and so that just makes me ask you I trust you to to do that okay to do the math and tell us what that is when you come with the plat but Henry's words will the use of the existing building on the property be it would be confined by what we're doing so what allowances do we need to make for that what is the use of that existing building um um we just foresee it continuing to be how it is that's where the case management for the people who are living in the tiny homes will be as we already do the case management for our clients in there. Um, Habitat for Humanity also resides in our building. And um, so we have So you won't be you won't be housing anybody in that building? Absolutely not. That's where we're going to do business. That way there's someone

there looking over the property at all times. Yeah, for sure. It'll stay. So the the use that we're talking about then is that proposed by the applicant up to 15 tiny houses in addition to the current services offered in the existing building. Right. individual dwellings. Those services are why we believe we can do these programs with these people. Is anybody ready to make that motion as stated by Mr. Smith? Yeah, I'll do it. Thank you. Can I get a second then? Uh, I'll do the second. All those in favor? I will have to abstain. That's why. All those in favor? All those opposed. Any opposed? Thank you. It passes. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you for the patience. Okay, I need a motion to move out of the public hearing then. So moved. I second. Thank you. All right, we're going to look at new business then. Do we have any report from the advisory committee, Lisa or Linda? No. Budget committee? No report. No report. Okay. I'll give the personnel committee report. Um, we have been working diligently to uh find a director for the Danville Boil County Planning and Zoning Commission. And we have um had um screening interviews. We've also had on-site interview and um so we are ready to um move into a closed executive

session to discuss personnel matters. I'm going to go into that one first since it fits. Motion. Okay. Second. Thank you. All those in favor? Yes. Okay. So, we're

Any folks who want to come back in now? May or may not be. They they had another agenda here. We have an important agenda here. It's like Oh, thank you very much. Yeah. All right. So, um we are um back in open session to discuss personnel. And I believe we're ready to have a motion. Yeah. And I I would like to make the motion that we go ahead and make formal job offer to Hannah Gray as we've outlined with salary um as we've outlined in the documentation. All those in f favor, please say yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Miss Gray is available to come to work tomorrow morning. Um and when she does, we will be introducing her to various people. She has already met uh with the uh judge and with the city manager, so we've had some input from those folks. And uh Lisa is going to help to create some Here she comes. I'm talking about you, Lisa. Lisa is going to help us to create some open time for Miss Gray to meet with various people who she will be routinely working with. But uh I'm sure she would welcome anyone stopping by the office tomorrow to meet with her.

She is very wellqualified, but this will be her first planning and zoning director position. So, okay. All right. I noticed that I might have made a little bolo here. Do we need to talk about the suggested zoning ordinance amendment? Yes, Madam Chair. And does that need to be in um open session or closed session? That is a public hearing for any input that could be offered. Okay. All right. So, we're going to do a little bit of a public hearing right now about suggested zoning ordinance amendment to introduce the amendment. It is something we had referred to last time this when we had the Shaker Town Road zone map amendments and did not have the owner of the property present per our zoning ordinance. We were not entitled to proceed with that hearing at that time. This would give some leeway so that an engineer could come with a limited power of attorney and appear on behalf of an owner so that they wouldn't have to show up. That would be very welcome. I think the wording is very simple and very clear. Yeah. Yeah. And then Lisa got together this uh form power of attorney which very useful thing, easy to distribute and um yeah, it it's one more way to speak to the problem that we had at that particular hearing. Yes, we don't want that to happen again. And just logistically, Henry, so we if we approve this, then it has to be approved by the legislative bodies in order to be That's correct. part of the zoning ordinance, right? Okay. So, do we need a motion to make this um

Yeah. Do we need to have a motion to make this suggested um zoning ordinance amendment to to recommend its approval to the legislative bodies? Yes. a motion, please. Yes, I'd like to make that motion to um make them make the amendment to the zoning ordinance as u noted here in our agenda, including limited power of attorney. Um and to present that to the uh legislative bodies for approval. All those in favor? Okay. Thank you. Do we have any other business? I want to thank you finalizing [Music] Tom. Tom, have you noticed we're both gray hair? Yeah. [Laughter] What I'm getting at and the fact that and I'd like to express Dian's got a huge one. He's picked on very well. Huge. Anyway, that's thanks. And we show that we actually have the in the ability to finish. I think so. I don't know if you're finding and we're very fortunate that Miss Gray has some experience around this in in

her education. So, I think we'll be able to have um her guidance as well. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm looking forward to the fact that we can deliver to her text and the outline and all the information and then she can make it something that's presentable to the community. When will we Excuse me. When will we be able to see I haven't seen it. Yeah, it we're in we've got three out of five sections drafted. Okay, so we would be ready to probably share with everybody. I'm more than willing to share what we've got now if you want to comment, but we would be sharing with everybody. And in fairness, we we've got our there's not everybody's reviewed all the sections, so there's there are conflicts. I have a style, he has a style, and they don't always agree. Thing about this is not style, it's the substance, and we'll let That's what's important. ASAP so that our governing bodies confidence. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean I definitely I think we should be no more than a couple months out. I think by you're talking comprehensive plan. Is that like is that's like July one? I don't know about that one. I'm not signed up for July one. All right. Do we have any further business? Do we have any announcements to make? Just just a matter of curiosity

because of the odd scheduling of today. Lisa, have we had applications for the end of June regular meeting? Yes. Okay. Okay. See you all soon. So, um I do want to share um our dilemma that we're experiencing in regards to our quorum is affected by the fact that we have not yet had a replacement for our parable. um representative um who takes care of it. Uh actually Lisa, you might note that you reached out to them once again to u look at an an appointment from Parable. You reaching out to the mayor or you reaching out? I I've talked to the mayor twice. Okay. Um and talked to a couple of the council people from over there. What have they said? hadn't had any luck, but Johnny House is also she live over there, so I have her looking to see if she has anyone that might be interested as well. Have they responded with anybody or just said, "Okay, we'll look at it. We'll think about it." I don't know if he just isn't finding somebody that's interested or I don't know. So, that's one of our issues. And of course, as you all know, Jim Boyd um completed his um last uh part of his term and so we have not yet had a replacement from the county for him. But we did reach out to the sleeper when he was here and asked him if he would help to get that accomplished. But that really has not been such a long period of time since Jim's term expired. The statutes do provide that we can appoint someone if there's a a void. If if the legislative bodies do not take action, then this commission can do so, which

I'm not necessarily recommending, but it's out there. Well, and it it would be um it would be a good opportunity for um Miss Gray to go and speak with those folks over in Parl and see if she can have any luck in getting that established. Yeah, she's aware. Good introduction for her for her as well. Yeah, she's aware. Okay, are we ready to adjourn? Can I get a motion to adjurnn? All right. All those in favor, stand up. Very good.