Airport Commission - Noise Abatement Subcommittee - Regular Meeting

Okay, why don't we call the meeting of the July 21st Public Works and Transportation Committee to order.

And Todd, call the roll. Chair Engelberg. Here. Supervisor Brischett. Here. Supervisor Valle. Here. Supervisor Eichler, I believe, is sick. And Supervisor Fetcher.

They're both excused. Both excused. I thought maybe Fetcher would be there. We'll see. Okay, the first item of business is consideration of minutes from the June 30th Public Works and Transportation Committee meeting. Is there a motion to approve? I'm gonna get a motion. Moved by Bolling. Seconded by Hrusha. Anything on the question? If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Show order. We've got Betcher showing up here.

Wait.

Okay, second item. We have no fund transfers, referrals. We've got a bunch of them. First one is Resolution 2026, Resolution 51, authorizing lease with the Employment Training Association of Dane County for the space of the Dane County Job Center. Do we have Shireen here? Is she online?

She's the one that is going to What? This one needs to be postponed.

Okay, I didn't, I think I asked her about that, but I don't know that I saw anything back from. So this just needs to be postponed? Yes. Okay, can I have a motion to postpone this to the next meeting? Okay, postpone. Motion by Bollocks, seconded by Baruchick. Anything on the question? Not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? So order takes. Okay, item two is amending, it's 2026 ordinance amendment number 10, amending chapter 41 of the Dane County Code of Ordinances, revising landfill fees. Is there a motion to recommend approval? Moved by Bruchig, second by Rolling. John, go ahead.

Yes, this is tied to an item that's later on in the agenda. We have a structured demolition recycling facility, and we own it, but it's operated by a private waste volume company. That company was purchased by a larger company about a year ago. They purchased all of their Wisconsin assets. They did not do that necessarily because they wanted to run a construction demolition recycling facility. They wanted primarily the hauling routes, the other waste facilities that they own. So that company is called GFL. They informed us a few months ago that they would like to get out of this contract. So we went out for an RFP and got responses to that and have been in negotiations with Pelletier Waste Systems, which is the item that's later on the agenda to actually award that contract to Pelletier. As part of those negotiations, it's requiring, they're charging higher fees So in order to be able to continue to break even on this facility, we are proposing an ordinance amendment to increase the fees that we charge our customers so that we have a break-in.

Any questions for John? Okay. Motions are made and seconded to recommend approval for ordinance amendment number 10. There's nothing further on the question. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thank you. Item number three is 2026, ordinance amendment number 11, amending chapter 69 of the Dane County Code, the ordinances adjusting speed limits on county highways in Dane County. Is there a motion to recommend approval? Moved by Bruchic. Second. Second by Balik.

Lemon? Yeah, this is actually, the first one is actually on Highway ID. The ID continues to be 78. And so the Department of Transportation is working on the intersection of 78 and ID to do some improvements. And based on the improvements, for them to install that improvement, the maximum speed that they can install those kind of improvement, is 45 miles per hour. So what they were just simply asking is to extend that 45 miles per hour into a section of ID. And that is the request. And we evaluated it and we find it okay. We didn't have any concerns. So that's the first one. And the second one is the town of Verona requested us to do a speed study in order for us to reduce the speed study from 55 to 45 because their speed limit is 35. And so they wanted a transition from 55 go down to 45 before you go down to 35 so that there is a smooth transition. Otherwise, it just goes from 55 to 35. And we consider that one as a legitimate reason for a modification of speed by dropping in 10 miles per hour. Questions for Clement?

If not, the motions have been made and seconded to recommend approval of ordinance amendment number 11. If nothing further on the question, all the members say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Item number four is 2026, Resolution 83, award of contracts for non-exclusive rental car concessions agreement at the Dane County Regional Airport. Is there a motion to recommend approval? Moved by Colin. Second. Seconded by Valiant.

Mark? Good evening, everybody. So our rental cars at the airport have been on a month-to-month agreement since 2020. Best practice is to not let agreements go that long on a month-to-month agreement. So in doing part of that process, we submitted a request for a proposal to entertain any additional car rental companies that are out in the Dane County area to welcome them to join into the airport. We had space for them. So we went through that formal RFP process. We got responses from the four existing customers that are essentially established at the airport. So Enterprise, Alamo, and Avis budget and Hertz. So they're kind of all, within those ones. That being said, this is for a three-year agreement beginning October 1st, continuing through September 30th, 2029. So there is no real major changes. It should be business as normal. It's just best practice to renew the agreements, get them up to modern agreements, modern language, kind of legalese in it, and continue to operate the way that they have been really the past couple of years. Questions for Mark?

Okay. So both of us have made a second to recommend approval for resolution 83. If there's nothing further on the question, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thanks. Mindy, do we have any people speaking tonight on any items?

Okay.

Just have one email.

Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. What, what the item was that, you know?

It was not until one.

The resolution, or is that one of the extra?

He was, it was on the, I was registering about all the amendments. Not the change orders. Okay. Okay.

Sounds good. Okay. Item number five is 2026, resolution 84. Award of Agreement for the Comprehensive Airport Master Plan and Layout Plan Updates at the 4,000 International Lane in Madison. Consultant is Short Elliott Hendrickson, Inc. Is there a motion to recommend approval? So moved. Moved by Bollett. Seconded by Brubuschek.

Yeah, so this has been a long time coming for the airport. So airport master plans are an FAA regulated document. They really control the big picture of where airports go into the future. Industry best practices, you're supposed to do those every 10 to 15 years before they become outdated and you've got a majority of things that have changed before you've got to re-look at it. The last time that the airport had done an airport master plan, 1993. So one of the first priorities for myself getting into my position was to start this process. So we started this process back in November 26 with an RFQ. So the FAA does qualifications-based selections for professional services, which means we don't factor the price in until after we've selected the most qualified firm to do the job. So we went through that process. We summarized the document there for you guys in the memo style so you can see the outline process, all the steps that we take in. the very transparent how we graded all the proposals, We got to the most qualified firm, and then we worked with the FAA to determine the scope of work, which is all the areas that we need to study. This being such an outdated master plan, a lot of times you're kind of building off of the last master plan. Hey, this chapter is still somewhat relevant. We can use it as a springboard going forward. There is nothing relevant from 1993 at that airport, as you can imagine. We didn't even have it in a PDF document, so it was typewritten last time we did it. That being said, this scope is fairly large. And how we determine pricing, so you guys will see a few of these over the coming year or two, is we do conduct an independent fee estimate. So what it is, is we get the scope of work, the FAA agrees to it, the airport agrees to it, and then we basically take that same scope of work and we delete all the pricing from it, and we send it to a second firm that had... similar qualifications, but didn't bid on the project. And we asked them, how much would it cost you guys to do this work? We take those prices that I get from firm A compared to firm B, as long as it's within 10%, the FAA blesses it and says, yeah, that seems reasonable. And that meets the intent. So that's what you see there on one of the financial summary memos. about 5.8 million for both of those firms. So the squelves and the independent fee estimate came out and they worked well together. That being said, the actual monetary value out of our pocket is almost negligible. It's about five to 10% of that 5.8 million. The rest of it will be covered by the FAA and the federal grants that we receive at the airport. So this process will be a very public one. It won't be the, we'll probably engage to bring them out to this group so they can do a presentation. They'll obviously be very engaged with the airport commission, but I think it makes sense to find a couple of times to inject them over the next couple of years into this group. So you guys can get a, I don't know what things are going on at the airport, but a very public process. They made a big presentation to the airport commission last night. So we're excited to welcome Short Elliot Henderson and happy to take any questions.

Any questions for Mark?

So the total time frame from start to when any of it might even be possibly implemented. You're probably looking two to three.

It'll take two to three years to get through the master plan. That being said, we'll work through a chapter kind of by chapter. There will be things that we front load because we need to get through those items faster. There'll be other ones that aren't as important that we need to work through. And unfortunately, I mean, you guys have seen all the growth that we're experiencing at the airport. We're behind the game, right? Like I would rather have that finalized master plan now, while we're seeing this unprecedented growth and I'm already building towards that capacity so I can continue to kind of you know flourish and and I never want to say no to growth at the airport right never want to say no to an airline sorry we can't take you because we're full right so we're a little bit behind the eight ball but it's important to note that we're going to take components of the master plan and try to move those as fast as we can there are two components of the master plan that's actually approved by the FAA One is our airport layout plan, which is a formal document that shows all the land owned and in and around the airport and how it's utilized. So the FAA blesses off on that to make sure that we're not planning on you know, putting a, you know, a hospital off at one of the end of the runways or something like that. So they bless that and make sure that we're doing everything we can to protect the aviation asset. The second part that they approve is what's called the terminal area forecast. Terminal area forecast basically predicts the level of passenger growth that we're gonna see. If I submitted to DFA saying, hey, today we have 2.5 million passengers, but in 20 years, we're gonna have 80 million passengers. the FAA is going to go, yeah, that's not, that's farfetched. That's not going to happen. So they bless that to make sure it signs off. And then what it is, is that I'm able to build the facilities needed to require what that terminal area forecast looks like. I have a love-hate relationship with those because I've never seen one actually to be right. So it's usually updated by the time I get done submitting it. I don't think the FAA would sign off on a terminal area forecast that showed that we're that's what we're doing so um you know it's it's it's a kind of a piece of it but it will be about two to three years the fa does take a long time to approve those two documents because they're very like they have to go through title and exhibit work for every parcel of land that we own so it's it's a really kind of a long process but two to three years before we're substantially complete and then but there's no this isn't going to slow up any other projects or

They won't use this as an excuse to say, no, you can't add on to your runways at this point because you're in the middle of planning.

It's a great question. They can't because and that's part of the stuff that we'll have to pull forward to. Basically, we need to provide the justification for whatever it is that we're trying to do. The runway 321 extension is a great example. We just got approval through the NCP. If you read through that approval, the FAA took no action, which means that they didn't approve it, they didn't deny it. What they need to see is future justification and planning for that 321 extension, because they're not going to approve something that doesn't have the environmental CADx done or the NEPA reviews done that doesn't have the justification. We have to front load some of that stuff because we have to justify everything with the FAA when we're asking them to pay 90% of it. We need to provide that it's justified and here's why. So they do and quite honestly, that's why we're at this point. If I told them I want to build a new terminal and I need help paying for it, they'd probably say, no, not until your master plan's done. That being said, they understand the situation that we're in and the one that I kind of walked into. So they've been a great partner in saying, yeah, we acknowledge that you guys got to get going on this and this and this. We're going to try to fast track that type. front load it and make sure that you guys are kind of well set up. That being said, I don't expect the master plan to hold up anything that we're doing. We're already taking as necessary steps to do those things. Runway 321 extension will be a 2029, 2020, 2030 type scenario. We feel that we can get a good chunk of the master plan done, that environmental, all that type of stuff worked on towards it. So my hope is that the master plan doesn't slow anything up and only provides further analysis and justification and support for what we're trying to do.

Any other questions for Mark? Go ahead.

A quick one. Ideally, how often do these master plans be updated?

Yeah, every 10 to 15 years. The fact that this one's sold, we have to start from the ground because there's nothing. We don't have really any good foundational documentation of things. The whole business is that you update these while they're still somewhat relevant, so you're just building. Otherwise, it takes the three years when you can maybe do a more expedited one in 18 months type deal. This industry and our society changes so fast these days that A 20-year-old plan is really quite old. I mean, we could be Jetsons flying around in 20 years. Thanks.

Anybody else? Mark, how does this affect, or how does it work out with the changing of an international headquartered?

Yeah, this will just kind of future future support that documentation. So as we talked about the terminal expansion, we talked about international and multiple different ways because there's different ways that you can get to an international status. There's also the international sign is on the general aviation side for the smaller planes. And then there's international for commercial aircraft and flying internationally. When we talk about that terminal expansion, this master plan will acknowledge where does that terminal expansion go? What portion of it looks like an international terminal? Can that international terminal space be flexed between domestic and international? So you're not just wasting space when it's not being utilized. So that master plan will kind of think about that phasing in that regard. So it'll be an ingredient that goes into the master plan and then it kind of gets put into how do we grow from there.

And one other thing I was going to ask, but I can't think what it was. I'm not going anywhere. Once these guys are going to, these are the consultants. back to us at some point.

Yeah, we'll talk about what makes sense to bring to this group. Most of the time, the last master plan that I didn't dilute was over a thousand pages. I don't know if you guys want to see that, but we could see maybe like an executive level plan just to summarize it where you guys at some point get approved by the full board also uh yeah we can discuss i mean it would be a i wouldn't say it would would be a formality at that point like we could talk about what makes sense right my hope is is that the collective feedback from the group is injected into this plan as it's being built so the first time you're seeing it isn't when i'm asking for approval of it it's you guys have had opportunities to provide feedback like yeah that makes sense or no that doesn't make sense and we we're going to provide that education and those opportunities uh there's to the point where it's actually probably going to get a little annoying about how much we're asking for feedback from, you know, the different various user groups and the general community.

I mean, our zoning, you know, does comprehensive plans all the time, but for the county plan and for all the different townships and all that kind of thing. Yeah. Probably similar to that.

Yeah.

It's a good comparison. Sounds good. Anything else? Any other questions? Not a motion, so I'm going to second it to Recommend approval of resolution 84. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Okay, item six is 2026 resolution 85, award of contract for demolition of the Ferris Center at 2120 Rimrock Road. Contractors Speedway Sand and Gravel. Is there a motion to recommend approval? So moved. Moved by Balik, seconded by Brucek. Pat?

Yeah, so we put out our press for bed and we took in five beds on this project. Speedway sand and gravel was low bed. Basically, this will take down the ferry center to allow for eventual expansion of the exhibition hallways. It's kind of like right on the foreplay that has a small expansion. So kind of a Staging project was to get ready for what's coming in the future. The building is underutilized and it was considered a temporary building when they built it back in 1982. So we're going to get rid of that and have to deal with it from here.

Okay, questions for Todd?

Todd, is that building empty now? It is. They're getting everything out of it. The only thing left is some salt. And they're shutting off water and electricity that's spreading. Okay.

Steve, do they do this work typically?

Yeah, they've taken down a highway building source in the past.

Any other questions? Not that both of them have been seconded to approve, recommend approval for resolution 85. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thank you. Item number seven is 2026 resolution 86 authorizing execution and submittal of a request for approval of an application for foreign trade subzone designation, FTZ number 266. I move to recommend FUSO. Moved by Grusik. Second.

Seconded by Bailik. Mark? Yeah, so we've done a few of these with you guys before. Just a quick refresher. Foreign trade zones are used as really economic tools to help better offset some of the cash flow concerns and cost savings from the uncertainty surrounding tariffs and duties here in the country. So us, airport as the seven county kind of designate, We're able to grant subzones. Most recently, we were approached by Realta Fusion to create that subzone opportunity at the new Oscar Meyer location. This is to continue the paperwork to apply for that and designate that as a subzone underneath the jurisdiction of the Dane County Regional Airport. Happy to discuss anything you want to, and we've got some folks from Realta Fusion here in the room that have shown support for it, so.

you want to introduce yourself and just introduce your folks that are here.

I'm Steve Lyons. I'm with SJL Government Affairs and Communications. I represent Real Diffusion. So we've had great meetings with the airport and the mayor and the county executive and the governor and others.

And we're very excited about this project.

So thank you for that. Hey everybody, I'm Rob Hughes. I'm the head of external affairs at Real Diffusion. So I handle all of our strategic communications, government relations, and community engagement. Hi, I'm Dominic Bindel. I'm our chief operating director I'm super excited to have this site selection finalized and moving forward and executing on that project at the Oscar Mayer facility. This would be a very powerful designation for that facility and allow us a lot of flexibility in how we move and frankly make the entire facility more attractive to some of our peers in the space for the activities that they may be interested in as well.

Mark, I just have a question. Yeah. So how does a little ways away over at the Eskimo Air State.

How does that work? Yeah, so, you know, I don't know. We probably have some history and knowledge about it. I think it's been around for about 10 years. We decided to apply to be the grantee of a foreign trade zone. And at that point, we can authorize sub-zone locations within the seven county kind of network surrounding Dane County. Uh, airports are just kind of historically always been that because we have typical relationships with customs and border patrol, uh, and, and they're typically the oversight agency of that. So, uh, ports of entry, airports, seaports, they just kind of have this. symbiotic relationship with foreign trade zones. By no means should an airport guy be involved in nuclear technology and inspecting areas. So it's really us, you know, as a community asset and driving economic factor, right? The airport contributes $2.6 billion to the local economy every year. This is part of that umbrella of the services that we can try to help provide here in Dane County. And, you know, there's a couple of subzone locations. I would say in Madison or in Dane County, it's been more in the medical kind of widgets and fidgets kind of space. But this is a new one for us and we're excited to explore it. You know, the uses of how it can benefit and kind of drive economic stimulus. Any questions?

Thanks.

Yeah.

So I think I was excited about the news about Braleta, but is this works? Is the economic benefit somewhat tied to like

equipment materials things that come through the airport in terms of uh yeah it's a good question so there's there's no actual like that doesn't have to come through the airport it's kind of confusing right it can come on ship it can come on rail to be honest with you stuff they're shipping is probably not meant for an aircraft so it's probably more of a boat type scenario or a rail but it just basically we act as the governing kind of oversight committee of it That being said, what foreign trade zones do is they allow for the deferral of tariffs. So anything that enters into this designated area, which could be the entire campus, a section of the campus, whatever the case is, you don't have to pay duties and tariffs on that item until they leave that foreign trade zone and then get dispersed into the country or get sold. So from the medical equipment world, so say All the different components are tariffed or taxed individually at 15 or 20%. But then when you assemble them into a medical piece of equipment, maybe they're only tariffed or taxed at 5%. But now you see that cost savings of 10% because you only get tariffed or taxed on that final end product. Where it gets unique is you could actually bring stuff into the foreign trade zone and leave it in perpetuity in that foreign trade zone. And you can utilize it in a way that's kind of uniquely beneficial depending on what type business you have. And then as that gets shipped out to the country or other things, then you get tax and tariff on it. Sometimes also when folks bring stuff in, it might take them six months to assemble whatever it is or to figure out what they're doing with it. Instead of paying taxes on something or tariffs on something that they haven't sold or they have no cash for, they can delay that sometimes large payment until the minute they provide that final product. And then the point of sale happens, but then they're able to pay the duties right away. So it turns into this, they don't got to have this massive cash flow sitting there just to pay for a bunch of tariffs and duties that can happen flow within it. So.

Yeah, that helps. Thanks. Any other questions?

So it looks like of the 70 acre campus of Oscar Breyer, which I spent way too many hours at, you you purchased about just under 16 acres of it i believe so it looks like that's what your footprint is we look to occupy about that amount correct yeah we do not intend to purchase the property oh we we have a an agreement in place with the current ownership there to be a tenant on that property so are you in the main building that used to be the thing or are you in a shed building on this the low shed building the um

Occupancy that we're envisioning is kind of the northernmost office tower in the north, so to kind of design an east-west line.

So the old corporate offices. Correct, yeah.

Well, significant amount of industrial space as well. That's actually what we need more than office spaces. It's kind of industrial production space for our R&D. So it would be very cool if you wanted to. Yes, that's right.

Okay, thanks. Thank you. Any other questions? Anything else you want to add, Steve?

Thank you for having me.

I look forward to the 600 jobs in Madison. It's awesome. Good luck. Thank you. So we've got a motion made and seconded. Recommend approval of Resolution 86. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Okay. Number eight is... 2026 Resolution 87, award of agreement for the operation of the Dane County Construction and Demolition Recycling Facility. Is there a motion to recommend approval? So moved. Moved by Bencher, seconded by Bruchic. Cox?

Yes, thank you. This is the one we spoke about earlier. So this is for Pelletier Waste Systems to take over operation of this facility. This is a facility for over 10 years that we, it's a great example of a public-private partnership. We own the facility, all the equipment inside it. We maintain the equipment. The customers coming across the scale are Dane County customers, but then this firm will actually operate the facility inside. It's a good way to leverage our strengths and theirs as well. To give you kind of an example, after this facility first opened up, or when it first opened up, wood was almost all going to boiler fuel. And wood is about 70% of what comes out of the back end of this facility in terms of recycling. And within six months, all the boilers started switching over to natural gas because of cheap frack gas. And the private operator at that time was able to spend a lot of time and resources identifying new end markets for that material. They were also able to give it away for free to farmers with animal bedding for about three to six months in order to prove those markets in the material. um they were able to call folks and say hey if you can come and pick up three semi loads today i can give it to you for half price these are the types of things that we can't do within county ordinance and as an entity so the great example of a public private partnership and we look forward to continuing to have success in this facility with the new operator good questions for john john how many uh bids were there there were two bids um wm and military basis or even close Price-wise, they were.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Any other questions? If not, motions are made and seconded to recommend approval of Resolution 87. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Next item, number nine, is 2026, Resolution 88, approving a lease addendum for District Attorney's Office at the Tommy G. Thompson Building. for a motion to recommend approval. Moved by Bruchic. Second. Second by Bolling. We have District Attorney Ozan online. Do you want to talk about this, District Attorney?

I assume.

Yeah.

Can you hear me?

You bet. Go ahead. All right. So we, this was the lease that allows us to be off site for the remodel of the third floor, the courthouse. I think we moved in, well, we started moving in in June. We were alerted shortly after moving in that the state had approved a rate increase for their spaces, which bumped us up about 2,100 a month for the lease. I think it went from 26 and change, 27 and change a square foot. And we have 16,000 square feet in the Tommy Thompson building. So that's the reason why we're coming before you today. because the rate changed that we were not aware of until we actually moved in. Okay, questions for the DA.

Is this a lease amount? Was that budgeted?

Yes, we had the funds, and I think we will still potentially be within funding right now. We will be asking in our budget for another $100,000. sort of figure just in case we have other issues that come up so we don't have to stop the project. But I think right now, even with the increase, we should be within budget right now. Very good. Thank you.

Any other questions? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You bet. The motions are made and seconded to recommend approval of resolution 88. Is there anything further on the question? If not, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thank you. Okay, item number 10 is 2026 residential, resolution number 89, authorization to establish Dane County Department of Waste and Renewables, donation, revenue and expenditure accounts. Is there a motion to recommend approval? Moved by Groshek. Second. Seconded by Bally. John.

Thank you. As it suggests, this is to establish accounts for both revenue to be able to receive donations and expenditures to be able to use those funds. We anticipate with the new waste education center that we'll have in our office based up there is the opportunity to receive donations related to the actual construction as well as potentially naming rights and other donations of that nature. We actually have Kohler Company, the toilet sink company, is already committed to donating a lot of the tile and fixtures within some of those spaces already. So these accounts will allow us to be able to receive those donations, document that, and then expend any funds that come in. Okay.

Questions for John? So, John, this will be a separate line item. Yep.

Anything else? Any other questions? If not, motions are made. Seconded to recommend approval of resolution PB9. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So orders may be. Okay, the final resolution, number 11, is 2026, resolution 98, contract change order number 53 for the PSC new facility. Lutz Lane, Madison Contractors, Vogel Brothers. Is there a motion to recommend approval? Moved by Bruges. Second. Second by Bally. Pat?

Okay. Yeah, we have a change order here for Vogel Brothers. This one here is an order here to change. Basically, this would be... Our dealing group and our tech group from the PSC, as they are seeing the completed product and we're getting closer to completion of the project, they find tech details that they want for improvements while we're still under construction. This specific one is moving some wireless access points to more favorable maintenance to take care of them in the future. as one of the drivers. Another one is in the training room where there's a lectern. They wanted a lectern installed and they wanted that lectern to be able to move to several different locations depending on the type of training they were doing. So that requires data and, you know, TV admin support, boxes, decoders, programming for the decoders so that they can accommodate any type of training that they might want to do in those spaces. And then they also added more sources for their AV system. And when they say sources, they mean inputs, feeds from weather, traffic cameras, any type of feed that they may want. And then they will be able to put that up on their main display, which is a huge TV wall. And so that was a fairly large driver of the cost. And then some additional racks and switches and waiver. So kind of a across-the-board revamping of some of that technology is what's trying to

Dave, questions for Todd? How come the contract change over forms looks different?

We are trying to improve and make everything more transparent for everyone and put more information on there in a more favorable manner so it's just easier. And Mindy is our orchestrator of that, and she does a phenomenal job of trying to make it just easier for everybody to decipher. So I hope that would be a great find.

Is it easier to read?

It is. I like the percentage add to it. The only thing I might say is if you're still modifying is put down total authorized so that you can see if you're getting near the max out.

We talked about that. Oh. We only want you to hear it. I talked about it before I went on vacation last week.

Yeah, so all the information that was on the old form is on here anymore.

It's just been different formatted. It's probably different internally for us.

One potential downside of that is this is shared with the contractor so they know the total budgeted and authorized. And then it helps them chase change orders.

We still track it.

You're telling me they don't know? Because they should. They know. They know. I was going to say, anybody could just go away and get the public record and know.

It depends. Like on one of our projects right now, it's the maintenance building, the scale house, and the admin building. So it's three different. It's all one contract, but it's three different buildings being paid for from five different funds, capital funds. So it'd be kind of hard for them to track exactly how much all of it is and what's available. I can see that issue. But that's a little unique.

We'll let Todd decide what he wants to do with that.

Right now we're doing just a percentage per change order.

Sounds good. Okay, any other questions? If not, motions are made and seconded to recommend approval of resolution 98. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thank you. Item E, items requiring committee action. Let's see, we have... 11 of them. And we did get one email that was Nicholas Davies and basically opposing the note to the jail consolidation change orders. So just for the record. So the first action item is 2026, action item 57, Contract change order number seven for the Walking Iron Trail phase one. Construction, Mazomanie, Zenith Tech is the contractor. Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Moved by Pollack. Second by Grusci. Thank you very much. Thank you all. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Todd?

Yeah. So we have a change order here for Zenith Tech. This is on the phase one of Walking Iron Trail construction. This is for that pier that we had talked about, that 115-year-old pier that we found to be in serious state of disrepair. Upon the demolition of that pier, they found an unforeseen mud slab below that pier. Upon taking out the mud slab, they found some old timber piling. Those timber piles are pretty close to being in the location where they need to drive was going to be pipe piling. When you have those timber piles in there, it's hard to drive pipe piling because you have to get them to line up exactly where it was. So if you remember last time we met, we had a change to allow for the switch over to an H pile. So they want to drive H-pile, but H-pile needs to go deeper due to the fact that it doesn't resist as much as pipe pile. So you have to go down to about 100 feet, 119 feet potentially. So that's a serious premium to both supply that amount of H-pile. The H-pile and the pipe pile are similar price. We're talking longer linear feet and then the driving of it. So there's some significant cost there. And that's representing this change over here.

A question for Todd. Is that one location or various locations? Eight of them. Eight of them.

There's eight of these that have to go down to hold the new, that'll be the new abundance.

Did you say 120? No, it's just one above.

One above. Yeah. Eight miles.

Did you say 120 feet?

Yeah, well, that's a pretty nice hundred feet. Oh. Why so deep? Yeah, do you get looking to hit bedrock or resistance as they're driving? You know, an age pilot's got to hit enough resistance that it's going to stay there.

Is it in the water or out of the water?

Well, it's kind of out of the water, but it's really close to the shore. It's going to flood. Okay. So it would flood. Okay. But again, this is a walking path. It's a walking, biking path. Yeah, it's not going to take trains anymore. Oh, okay.

That's pretty beefy for something you're going to walk in.

The bridge is less substantial. They're narrow train bridges and they stop all the time. Yeah, mine.

Got to be safe. Yes.

Interesting.

Okay. Any other questions for Todd? Not. Motions have been made and seconded to approve Action Item 57. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Item 2 is 2026 Action Item 60, Agreement 2A. Change order number eight for the engineering design and permitting work at landfill site number three, Grant Road, consultant SCS engineers. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Moved by Bolling. Seconded by Bruchet.

Don? Yes, this is with SCM. They're the consultant and engineering firm that's doing the design and the permitting for the landfill. It's been about a four or five year process. And when you begin that, you can't always anticipate everything that's going to come. There's been a number of requests for changes and modifications or verification of materials from the DNR through their permitting process. And as well, we have a lot of interaction with the city of Madison with stormwater and how this is going to interact with stormwater features at the golf course and some of the work they're doing there as well. So, This change ought to account for all the additional design and how work they had to do related to some of this.

And the project is underway.

It's underway. Moving quick.

Questions for John? Not. Motions have been made and seconded to approve action item 60. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Item number three is action item 62. Contract change order number 246 for the Jail Consolidation Project in Madison, Myron Construction. Is there a motion to approve? Moved by Ruchik. Second. Second by Vali. Steve.

Thanks, Gary. So yeah, this change order is from Myron Construction in the amount of a little bit over $20,000. The scope of this is related to the key watcher equipment that we have in the jails. So the key watchers, if you're not familiar, are a electronic, we control a key inventory system. So the deputies don't take keys home at the end of the shift and whatnot. So when they get to work and they sign in, they grab their keys so they have to put in their personal ID code. And then the door opens up, they can retrieve their keys from the locker through their shift. And then when they come back, they put their code in inventory so that they won't So we've got these spread out all throughout the public safety building currently. Obviously with the renovation, things are going to get moved around. And the new cell tower also has, I forget off the top of my head, but say a half dozen or more of these sprinkled throughout the facility. And this change order is related to the electrical and data scope that's associated with it. The equipment itself is but electrical data structures by the contractor, because it was the owner-provided equipment, some of the design coordination early on by the design team didn't get coordinated to the fullest. So the transition team got the leads through this. We went through and prepared all the documents and found out they were, in fact, missing electrical power in a couple of locations, some data, Questions for Steve. Steve, so this is a swipe system. I think it has a key pad. So I think every, I don't know, quote me on that, but I think.

I'm just wondering, I'm following when you get there, how that works. But when you leave, what's to keep you from just leaving?

With the keys? Yeah. Well, if you don't put them back on, I think the hook actually registered that the keys have been deposited. Well, what happens if somebody doesn't do that? Oh, there's big problems. I don't think they do well with the keys leading to jail. I don't know operationally how they handle that, but I do know that they've got several of these when you open it up. There's a base of keys.

Any other questions for Steve?

Just like the email we received from Mr. Davies. I mean, it has a structural error in the very first paragraph. And I'm just wondering if anybody's responded to him about, he's under the impression that these change orders are on top of the 166 million, that it's not within the actual budget and these are just eating into something that was already budgeted in the contingency fund. And I'd be happy to respond to him since he is a constituent. It's kind of our issue more than DP public works. But I was just wondering if anybody had.

We have not. I have not responded to him, but this is our project contingency.

Would you be able to forward me the email then so I could directly respond to him? Thanks.

It's a good idea.

Okay. Any other questions? Not. Motion is in main and seconded to approve action item 62. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Sure, thank you. Item four is Action Item 63, Contract Change Order Number 247, Jail Consolidation Project. Contractor is Myron. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Moved by Balik, seconded by Baruchick.

Steve? Thanks again. So this change order is, again, for Myron Construction. This was in the same ballpark a little bit north of $21,000. It's also related to the keying system. However, this is related to the types of keying and well locks that are associated with it. So in the detection setting, you will primarily find either modal keys or paracentric keys. Don't ask me to totally explain the difference between them. The bonos provide a higher level of flexibility as far as re-keying and things like that. Whereas the paracentra are really kind of built into the door. The paracentras are real large, oversized. for the new keying system to be a consistent system with all mobile keying, but with the specifications written, the designers. Lots, I know of some peripheral items like access panels in the ceilings and in the walls for mechanical spaces, there's other utility latches, things like that. And as you can imagine, the mobile system is a hierarchy system, just like our Dade County best lock system. But the paracentrics would throw that all out of whack. So one key would override those types of locks. So it requires them to start doubling up on the amount of keys they have on their rings and stuff like that. It could lead to confusion and mishandling when they're in a state of duress. So just to make the whole project consistent with the original intentions, we have revised the locks. Okay, questions for Steve?

Yeah, the only thing is when I saw this changeover and I looked up mogul versus paracentric, the only thing I could find was paracentric is harder to lockpick than a mogul system. And it's supposed to be more difficult.

So I was kind of surprised.

It's like, probably not a big deal, but I was just surprised they'd go one way over the other.

Yeah, again, I'm not an expert on the attention lock, you know, printing it on it as opposed to and things like that. So if you change the locks like that, it's easier to .

Oh, I didn't look into that part. That might be why.

And I think the, it's just what I read, so I don't know if it's 100% true or not, but the mobile keys, which you have stated that are easier to pick, I think they're actually a tougher lock. So if they're being beat, I think they last longer.

Well, just for re-keying, that's probably a bigger issue you're going to have on a regular basis.

Any other questions for Steve? Not. Motion is unvoted and seconded to approve at action item 63. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Item number five is point 26, action item 64, contract change order number 248 for the jail. Myron, as a contractor, is your motion approved?

Moved.

Moved by Bruchic, seconded by Bally. Steve?

All right, this chamber is, again, for Myron, in the amount of $18,426. The scope of this is related to steel detailing, specifically on the second floor, where the tiered mezzanine or the tiered block weight department sells. The cells themselves, the prefabricated cells, are a delegated design, meaning that the architects of record are powerless to provide the basics of the design, basically lays them out and shows the general intent, but they don't do all the final detailing on it. So when the vendor, Myron's vendor, Steel Cell, came in and did all the final shop drawings and everything else like that, they tweaked everything to fit the building perfectly and with all the mechanical systems and everything else. to our structural engineer perfectly, and so we had to add some structural steel components and some additional detailing because the steel mezzanine walkway is designed by our design team, and they have to provide the final connections of steel onto that, onto the face themselves. And so this chain over here is for the additional connections and steel and whatnot to make that mezzanine.

Any questions for Steve? Not motions are made and seconded to approve action item 64. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Item number six is 2026, action item 65, contract change order 249 for the jail project. Myron Construction, is there a motion to approve? So moved. Moved by Bally, seconded by Hrushek. Steve?

Okay, this change order is an architectural change, and it's related, there's two changes, a smaller insignificant component, and then the larger component is related to the security lab and plaster system. Both of them are deep detention security related in the amount of just over $30,000. So the more, we'll start with the smaller one. The smaller one is for masonry chase. There is a plumbing line, an existing sanitary line, that has to be relocated in the public safety building as part of the new layout and how it works with the new kitchen that we're remodeling. So the plumbing line comes down vertically through the PSP and terminates down in the basement where the kitchen is. That, I think, has to get moved about, I don't know, four feet to the south or something like that. Yeah, fantastic. that level of security. And so essentially they're going to be 10 inch lines. I think it was a 10 inch and a 12 inch. So the concept is that if those pipes can be broken, then you would have a full secure perimeter. So we have to build a masonry chase around those pipes anyways to conceal them, but we are enhancing it from a smaller portion of this. And then the larger component of this chain order is related to the security lap and plaster or soffit details. So if you recall what the renderings look like, the larger housing units are two stories. So there's stacked cells and the cells So they kind of have an open ceiling, like a recessed ceiling. And rather than doing it out of detention ceiling material, which is extremely expensive, they're creating it out of a security lab plaster. And originally it was specified at five-eighths-inch thick, so it's a two-point application. Because of the length of the runs that they have to do with these sockets, the architect but they said it's been, it has the security of working so lightly, but for cracking almost a lot of us. So we have that product. And so this change order captures that cost.

Questions for Steve? Not. Motion's been made and seconded to approve action item 65. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Item number seven is 2026, action item 66, Contract change order number 50 for the PSC new facility, Ludd's Lane, contractor is Vogel Brothers. Is there a motion to approve? Excuse me. Moved by Ruching. Second. Second by Bowling. Todd?

Yeah, so we have another change order for Vogel Brothers here. This one here is to add, it's basically adding drain lines to the three air separators and the mechanical loops. All these mechanical loops are glycol filled. It's a mixture of glycol because one's going to the ground, one is a heat loop, and the other one goes to the roof. So it's a glycol mixture. We did not include it originally, but it was decided at owner change to pipe the air separators to the makeup tank so that if you ever wanted to drain a line, you don't have to drain it into barrels and just fill them. You can just drain it down. So this change over here will add the valves and the piping to drain those three loops individually. So you can do maintenance on each individual loop without having to roll barrels in, move things around cleaner, less opportunities for spillage on the ground, things of that nature. So it's kind of a housekeeping change and a convenience change for the project.

Questions for Todd? Not. Motions have been made and seconded to approve action item 66. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Next item is 2026, action item 67, change order number 52 for the PSC new facility, Vogel Brothers contractor. Is there a motion to approve? So moved by Bally, seconded by Bruchig.

Okay, here we have another one at Vogel Brothers. This one here is there's to modify the entrances of the gates. They have two entrances to the employee parking lot and the behind the building, the south side of the building. Initially, this was designed to be one large gate at each opening. This has been changed to make it two small gates and then to add an island in the middle, extending an island in the middle. It's thought to be a little more secure. Along with two gates though, you have to add the loops, the concrete loops for opening the gates, uh, and, uh, you know, different, uh, hardware here, the operators, they carry that. Um, but basically the additional gates at 14 feet ground loops and as extended islands make up the $21,000 change, uh, for both entrances.

Questions for that.

Not motions and made seconded to prove action item 67. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered, thank you. Next item is number nine, action item 2026, action item 68, contract change order number 54 for the PSE new facility, Vogel Brothers contractor. Is there a motion to approve? So moved by Bruchic, second by Bowlett. Todd.

Another one for Vogel Brothers. This one here really revolves around the post circuit TV cameras. This was to provide network capacity to pick these additional full-circuit TVs up. There was a component of this as the masterplex as well with the switches that they wanted to put into the project. There's a little confusion on the next change order, and I'll clear that up on the next one. But basically, this one, the main part of it was the full-circuit TV capabilities that they wanted to enhance in order to change orders.

Great. Any questions for Todd? Not. Motion's been made and seconded to approve. Action item 68. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you. Item 10 is 2026 action item 69. Contract change order number 55 for the PSC new facility Vogel Brothers contractor. Is there a motion to approve? Moved by Borussia. Seconded by Alex.

Okay, Vogel Brothers again. The first sentence of this one, remove the PIVI-CFAN network switches, it's remove the comment on the drawings. It's not removing the switches. We just put them in. So I had to read that a couple times. So it's taking that comment off the drawings that said owner provided, and they're going to be provided by the contractor for the previous change order. So clear up that confusion. Basically, this change order here is while we're in there, they wanted to add future fiber for future expansion. So they're going to have 48 strands of fiber optic and a two-inch pipe, a couple of different runs, and that's basically to bolster future expansion and future needs, technology needs that they may run into, basically the driver here.

I'm glad it didn't cost $27,000 just to remove the name off of it.

Any questions for Tom?

Not motions have been made and seconded to approve action item 69. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, show order. Thank you. Last one is number 11 is 2026 action item number 70. Contract change order number 250 for the jail consolidation project, Myron Construction. Is there a motion to approve? Motion by Baruchick.

Second by Bolling. Steep. Thanks. So this change order is in the amount of $13,415. It's related to the mechanical rule that we have down in the basement of the public safety building that's going to be turned into the new laundry room. We have existing steam lines that run through there right now, and there's steam traps and condensate lines, or those that drop down at the bottom of the piping. The piping is scheduled to remain in place before they continue the loop, but the steam traps are no longer needed. taken out of that mechanical room. After the contractor was surveying the room, they discovered that the traps, which weren't scheduled to be demolished, are going to interfere with the new ceilings that are, the detention ceilings that are being put in, which would lower the ceiling by, I think it was like 14 inches or something like that, which is pretty significant. And the sheriff's office can't live with that. So we're asking So how do you make it work then? Well, those traps were serving the equipment that's going to be taken out. So they're not needed anymore.

Any other questions for Steve? Not with motions of aid. Seconded to move to Section F70. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? So moved. Item F is presentations, discussion, public works, and transportation committee. The only thing I'm going to talk about here is I did send out an email. I did get some updated information from the administration regarding contracting and privatizing contracts and that kind of thing. And I did send it to the committee members. Haven't heard anything from them. Does anybody want to say anything about it here for the meeting tonight?

I would say that the one thing I noticed when you're looking at the idea of contracting and everything. So I was talking with one of the other smaller departments, not one covered by this committee, but I had to be there anyway. And, you know, they're seeing like a request to cut $70,000 as part of their budget because their budget is so small. But when they look at $70,000 and they did all their easy cuts last year, The only thing they have left is to get rid of someone and to not fill a position. They have someone who might be leaving shortly anyway, but then when they don't fill that position, it's $140,000 position. So they're going to be giving up 140,000 losing one of the few, you know, they have less about a dozen staff and losing one person. They could have 70,000 and have half a person. on a part-time basis, but they won't. They're just probably going to lose the whole position. And I think that's something about trying to get past the siloing. And when you were in the contract spending, you got into the numbers of we have some electricians here, some here, some here, and about trying to share more so that the effects aren't as drastic as getting rid of, you know, two departments each being told to get rid of 70,000. In effect, get rid of 200 and 80,000 and you lose two people where you could have just lost one person and maybe job shared between those two departments. And I think that's something that's just not, doesn't get looked at very often. Their analysis on the department's analysis on the snow removal was a big example of that where they sit there and go, well, we hire a snow removal person that costs us this much per year. And then they expect that person to only do snow removal on those couple of buildings. And it's like, well, yeah, I get why you say that's too expensive. But just like the airport uses their snow removal people as maintenance people the rest of the year, I think we haven't been doing that very well. And we haven't been sharing people where two departments need the same skill. Rather than have one person work for both departments, we're killing ourselves. and we're making it more expensive on ourselves. I didn't get into enough detail on some, obviously they gave kind of a broad overview in their analysis, though it's kind of hard to sit there and say, what could you do? But I mean, when we saw the surge cleaning, when you see needing electricians to do the Dane County Fair, those are all real examples of, are there ways that we could do this better? and get beyond our silos. But I'm not sure we've started that discussion.

Okay. So we've got Caleb from the executive office, facilities director is online, and also Nick from the administration. And so they heard that, and we'll be in more discussions with this. The next step, what I'll do is probably for our next meeting, we'll put... we'll put that information on the agenda and Nick Bob and, uh, and, uh, Shelby probably would be here to give us a presentation on, on the information that they gave us. And then we can discuss it from there. Anything else from committee members? Okay. Thank you. Um, Next item is G, reports to committee. Todd and Steve, report on change orders under $10,000. Steve?

Sure, I'll take the floor first, thanks. So I have five quick little hitters tonight. And the first one is change order number 251. I'll just make a blank and say that these are all similarities. We were just deleting a couple of video visitation kiosks in one of the housing units. Turns out that there's been a change in the sheriff's office policy for tablets and how they're allocating those, distributing them. So we had the opportunity to remove some infrastructure and so they're taking advantage of that. The next one is change order 252. Another credit in the amount of $4,800. We're deleting the lockers and casework out of the cell locker room. That's where they gear up before they go and do like a cell entry evacuation tactic. But the reason they're removing the locker is so that they can buy a prefab repeated furniture from out of the FFME budget. So savings on the construction contract, but we'll spend it on the FFME contract and the costs are very comparable. So Sheriff's office is pleased with that. The next one is change order 253 in the amount of $1,600, and this is related to the fire alarm system. We found that the existing system has some programming in an existing graphic enunciator that has to be removed before the new system could be implemented. So they just have to put a little extra engineering and labor time into taking care of that before we can start integrating. The next one is change order 254 in the amount of $5,300. Oh, this is a continuation. If you recall, so this is a continuation of a previous change order that we had. If you recall, maybe a month and a half ago or so, I presented on a change order that was $40,000 not to exceed for demolition work in the existing kitchen that we found where the walls were not meeting the, permanent corrections, secure perimeter requirements. So we authorized them to start demolition right away. They got through most of the work and realized that their labor was tracking higher than that amount that we had previously authorized. So this $5,000 And the last one then we have is chamber 255. And this is related to rerouting some plumbing lines on the first floor of the new cell tower. It was demanded by the building inspection city of Madison as an AHJ. One of the rooms, storage room, the ceiling of it is the bottom of a fire rated shaft riser for MEP utilities. And so the plumbing light went through that room, but the building inspector determined that that whole room would be considered a shaft. So we raided the whole room and the plumbing lights had to be rerouted because they were not technically serving anything with that shaft. They were moving from one space on the first floor to the other. So just a little jog in the corridor and back out.

So those are all my chambers.

Todd, any?

Yeah, I have several. These will all be for Vogel Brothers for the PSC. The first one here for $1,900 is basically adjusting the height of the sprinkler rooms. Basically, flash detection problem here. There's an HVAC duct that has to go through there. A sprinkler can't run at that elevation. They have to change it. So that was a $1,900 change. The next one, this was requested by the AHJ authority on jurisdiction is plumbing inspector. This is adding six clean outs of the plumbing inspector. So we need to clean outs in addition to what was already designed. So we will add those for $3,000 to meet the plumbing code. This next one is the VESDA piping, which is a smoke detection. It's a vacuum assisted smoke detection system. It's high in the operation center. It's way up at the ceiling. It's like orange PVC piping, so it's kind of ugly. You have a nice finished space, but they have this really cool architectural ceiling that you'll have to go see. It's pretty neat. So they actually rerouted and moved the piping behind that, so it didn't It can see it. It's a good thing. So that was $2,200 behind that baffled ceiling. Next one is a credit for eliminating the painting in the mechanical room of the deck. Very busy mechanical room. When you have a geothermal pump system along with an air handler and all the associated fans, pumps, it gets impossible to paint that ceiling. And we're like, yeah, it's like, you know, does the painted ceiling really matter at this point? I don't think so. It's going to look terrible from angles. We're not going to get in there. So we took a $3,600 credit just to leave it. It looks fine. The next one for Vogel Brothers is this one here really kind of revises the base detail on the bollards. and adds a bollard to the front of the building because there's no fence in the front of the building. So just in case somebody would try to drive a car and run it into the front of the building, they're found to be in a spot that wasn't really covered well. So this adds a bollard and then changes the base till to a little more robust base detail on the existing bollards. And so that's $4,700 to the safety item. And then the final one here, is on those entry gates or those gates we just talked about, the sliding gates, those gates will slide back parallel with the fence. They wanted to extend underneath of them to have concrete there instead of just going out over the grass for snow removal. In case snow would drift up on there, that you'd be able to actually shovel that off so the gates don't get lodged in snow so that people can get out there and clean that out. Wasn't going to argue with them. And then they actually revised the pad for the emergency condensing unit for the main air handler to a more heavy reinforced concrete because the piece of equipment is pretty large. So that's the scope of this one. And that was $8,400 for the concrete for both of those four locations on the gates and then the pad. And that's it.

Questions for Todd? So that building, Todd, is coming along pretty good.

What's your completion date on that thing?

End of August. End of August, okay. Are we going to have a ribbon pedaling over there?

I imagine there'll be something. Yeah, I'll talk with Louie about that. Yeah, they're moving along really well. It's looking good. They keep saying that they're going to meet their completion date, and they've got a lot of work to do, but they're going to pedal down, and they're going for it.

Do they like this setup at all?

at night yeah i haven't seen the gates closed yet um but the building is secure right i drove through there one on a weekend i think it wasn't just drove around nobody there yeah the other job trailer out front i'm not like i said i haven't seen the key i don't think the gates are powered yet but i haven't seen them close it's closed up yeah it's insecure the uh other questions for saturn i have a question that relates to this uh email that we got um

I think we all saw that article from the cap times that says that Jill's going to be too small now once they get it done. And, uh, I haven't spoken to the sheriff to ask him his opinion on that, but he was quoted in there saying it's going to be too small and they'll have to keep the city County building jail open too. Um, if that's comes to pass, is it possible to add on to that new bill?

No. That was taken out by the county board. They wouldn't allow us to go vertical anymore. When we took the floors off, we had to de-raise the structure, so there was no opportunities to go vertical anymore.

So there's no pilings to support the extra weight?

Is that what... That was specifically eliminated by the board.

So it won't bear the load?

Nope.

Okay.

Same thing happened?

Yeah.

I recall arguing about that. I recall arguing about that.

I do, too. I do, too. And, yeah, okay. Thanks, Todd.

Okay. Each future meeting items and dates, next Public Works and Transportation Committee meeting will be held on Tuesday, August 18th at 5.30 p.m. right here. Hi, public comment on items not on the agenda. I don't think there's any. J, such other business is allowed by law. I don't think we have any. That brings us to K, adjournment. Move for adjournment. Moved by Bally. Seconded by Bruchig. All in favor of adjourning, say aye. Aye. Opposed? So ordered. Thank you.