Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Welcome to the regular meeting for the planning commission. Um today's Tuesday, May 6, 2025. Um city hall council chambers um to watch the live telecast. um log on to https um on YouTube slash uh YouTube slash at dailycity gogv/streams um or on comcast channel 27 for public participation there are three ways to submit public comments one is to email your comment directly to the planning division um to submit written comments comments via the the city's website and attend the meeting in person. To to submit a comment via the c the city's website, please visit www.dcity.org/aggendas to complete the public comment form. In the comment field box, include the item number and or the title of the item as well as your comments. To speak at the meeting in person, please complete a speaker card located at the entrance uh to the council chambers and submitted to a staff member as early in the meeting as possible. Please note, all written comments received by 400 p.m. on the meeting day will be provided to the planning commission prior to the meeting. Comments are not read aloud into the record. Any written comments received after 400 PM on the meeting date are not guaranteed to be received by the planning commission prior to the meeting. Persons with disabilities who require auxiliary aids or services in attending or participating in this

meeting should call the office of Michael Van Lusen at 991 8158 as soon as possible. Now we pledge to the flag. Yeah. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. May we have roll call, please? Here now we go to the approval of minutes. Um this is um the approval of December 3rd, 2024 planning commission minutes. All right. Motion for approval. Second. All in favor? All in favor um for the approval of December 3rd. uh 2024 planning commission minutes say I I I I point to order madame chairman yes we don't have the minutes here how could we approve something that is not here sorry it is not here in the so it's oh we don't have anything to to look at we can

just dispense it part of the year with the reading of yeah this is um October 1st is this the the last one the time we We met October one through the chair. That's correct. There are no minutes for December 3rd. So you can just Okay. Okay. All right. Just just a point of observation here to be careful on this. Thank you, Ry. Um are there any um are we doing public hearings, public comments? Okay. So for item two um for the coastal development um permit CDP-4-25-016795 uh by Michael Ben Lusen honorable chair, members of the planning commission, the city staff is recommending that the table. Uh so that would be uh action by the planning commission essentially to not hear the item and bring it back later at another time when the item would be renoticed. What this project is is a repair of an access road uh down Avalon Canyon, but u we're still working through the coastal commission to figure out the proper permitting. So we are recommending that the item be tabled. Okay. Yes. How long do you think it will take to get through the planning? I mean through the coastal zone. Yeah. So, we're we're thinking it if it comes back to the planning commission, it would be by the end of the summer. That's what we're thinking. Something like that.

Yeah. All right. Um so for the next uh for the general plan consistency finding um You need a motion to table. Okay. So, um, do I have a motion to table? I motion, please. I have a second. Second. All those in favor say I. I. Thank you. So item um is tabled um to the next one for the general plan consistency finding for fiscal years 2026 2027 capital improvement program CIP. Yes. So uh thank you madam chair members of the planning commission. This is an item that uh comes before the planning commission on an annual basis. The city is in the process of preparing its budget and the capital improvement program identifies all of the areas, I believe over $50,000 of expenditure that the city plans to undertake in terms of public improvements. The planning commission is required by the government code to make a determination as to whether the list of projects which are attached to the staff report are consistent with the city's general plan. The city staff, the city planning staff has reviewed the list and has determined that the list is consistent with the general plan and is recommending that you also make the same finding. There is staff from the city's public works department. The public works director in fact is here to answer any questions you may have about the list. And the consistency with the general plan is something that planning can also uh answer if you have questions about that.

So, I have a question about the um parking meter upgrading. We'll let Richard Chu is the public works director and he will answer that question. Thank you. Good evening. Hi. Hi, Richard. So um is it happening for 2025 2026? Um the proposal is to allocate 500,000 for each of the two fiscal years uh for fiscal year uh 26 and fiscal year 27. So it'll happen in phases throughout the okay both fiscal years it just because it's saying it's a new um proposed project. So, and then it's also for So, it's going to be for fiscal year 2025 2026 going into 26 27. Uh, yes, that's correct. Okay. Do you know when it will start begin? Uh, well, it can't start until after uh council approves it. Um, so July 1 of uh 2025 is as soon as it can start. Um it involves a process of uh finding an appropriate vendor uh that would satisfy the requirements of uh of the city uh and then you know the timing in terms of um you know equipment, the type of equipment, the locations. Um so it'll it'll take you know throughout next fiscal year as well as the 27th fiscal year as well. Um, so it'll happen um throughout the the the the two fiscal years. Do do you know I mean I'm just curious to know what is the um income that we're missing um by not having those um um in place right now. Well, I don't know if

that's um we have an exact answer for that. Um uh one of the thoughts is to upgrade the existing meters. the existing meters is a very old system. Um it's they're not working right. Well, they are working but they don't accept credit cards. Um so so uh so that's part of it. Um the existing meters that we do have, they're coin operated. Uh they do work. Um we we are uh we do repairs as needed. Um but they haven't been upgraded. I'm sure most of you uh as you go to other jurisdictions, you know, being able to to pay with a credit card or um touchless, you know, those type of things um is is more common now, but we don't have that ability to to do so. Um and so this upgrade will help with that. We don't issue tickets for people who don't use the meter. I'm just curious. Yes, the police uh are doing enforcement of the existing parking meters and so if people are not paying and you know they're supposed to be paying and police is aware of that they will issue citations uh for those uh situations. Thank you. Thanks Richard. Okay. I think daily city is the only city that has those they're ugly looking things but uh my son just to move to San Francisco and it's just the upgrade you know that they have in San Francisco that you just scan your credit card and it and it's by license plate. Yes. So even if you don't pay it if you don't get a ticket there you'll receive a ticket through the mail. So um and and also it decrease the manpower of ticketing you know cruising around that's that would be another benefit of you know of having upgraded to a higher level than what we have right now. Yeah.

Yes that's absolutely correct. I mean based on the system that we select uh it would ideally would be one that can communicate with our police department's ticketing system uh for that very reason in terms of being able to efficiently uh do citations in a more efficient manner. So because then some of the community some of the residents start hating those ticket officers that comes around. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Y you're welcome. question of privilege. You know, I've been here in the commission for the last almost 20 years. The point is uh when you present something here to us, I feel insulted about this to be honest with you because for the previous years you've been presenting this like what is this about 17 million? What is the significance of this? Now it's up to us to ask question as if you're putting this in a wanker ranch then find your question in the hastto is this how how you present this to the to the planning commission this is the first time I have seen a a lethargic presentation you know it's up to us to ask question why not present something significant here what are the changes master lock changes sanitation or traffic transportation It's it's up to us ask question this to me ridiculous. Can you not do any because probably you're thinking that it's only the the the council that will approve this and not to us. That is your impression. This is my impression to all of you. You know you know you have gone to college.

When you make a something a presentation you do presentation something that is more or less into enlightened us what will be the changes in mass rock transportation you know because you have been there for several years that's why you don't think anyway it's only the planning commission to me I am really detest this kind of a uh presentation your honor we have you have to do something because if I'm going to ask this question it will take us some What is the significant changes in master rock? Tell me tell me now you as the director what what are the changes there that needs to be changed or just we just just do it as it is copy parties last year everything is just like last year I I really I really don't know I went to I believe then this is how you're going to present us now it's to be ridiculous Yeah, the the the I don't know the director here or what they should more or less be be knowledgeable about what you are presenting here. It's just just it's up to you. Anyways, planning commission anyway. It will be the city council that will approve this. This is my impression. Well, just to be clear, um the the projects on this list um all of these are um for the most part they're maintenance type projects. maintain existing project presented to us and nothing is this how you is this how you begin with the planning is that how it starts with the planning so so just to be clear the action of the planning commission is different than what would be asked of the city council the city council will be asked to approve the budget to approve I understand that we understand but the action this evening is to it's because it's only the city council that has to be given the the

action of the planning commission you should know that the plan starts with planning everywhere in this in the in the world it start with planning. We don't know what what's going on with the muscle truck all with this traffic traffic transportation then you just present this oh this is and then let us approve it right the list of pro the the the question for the planning commission this evening is if the items that are listed on the capital improvement project list conform with the general plan that is a document that the planning commission that be said it's only now you're saying it that was in the staff report yeah I know but point is this to me we we are we don't know what to say as if we are just kick begging kick here just anyway the the city council is we don't have give importance to the planning commission here remember that under the charter the planning has also the right as quasi judicial body we have the right also you know that but the point is you're treating us very shabily to be honest with you very shabby I am telling you this to you now you can you can report that to the council and say you might as well have a zooming that's it anyway the city council will approve it I even now even table this this uh coastal whatever is this I don't Oh, I don't know. So, uh the question that I I need to understand because I think I understand it is that the list of projects are determined and they have to then comply with the general plan. And it's not the planning commission's job to determine what is on that list, but simply to

determine whether or not it complies with the general plan. And the only way that we will know that is if we have the staff who studies the list tell us that it is in compliance and then we can then take that as a recommendation that it complies and that all we're asked is to determine whether or not it complies or not. Is that what you're asking of us? That is correct. So there is there are no determinations as to what is on that list. We don't make the list up. We certainly we're just asked to determine whether it complies with the general plan. That is correct. And as an individual, I would not know if it complies with the general plan unless someone that has knowledge and expertise that I can rely upon can uh tell me that it does. And that would be staff. That's the way I'm looking at it. So if I get a recommendation, it says it complies. and my job is to simply determine that it is in compliance so we can move up to the next level. I will take the recommendation or I will not and uh that's the extent of my vote. We don't have anything else to determine. Is that is that is that what the understanding is because that's the way I think it's supposed to be. Correct. Yes. Thanks. Uh thank you Tom. So actually on the um agenda report prepared by staff um here it states um that it's asking us it's not about compliance but more of consistency to the um uh capital improvement program plan. So the planning commissioner's role planning commission's role is limited to certifying the consistency of the um plan the CIP with a general plan not to approve or

disapprove of any particular project within the CIP. Um but also um you know if there's additional information um that we you know uh desire that you know the staff the planning um department is here to answer those. Yes. So the list is provided. So if there are questions about the projects and if there is a question of how it complies with the or if it is consistent with the general plan, uh public works is here because they're the lead in the actual projects and then the planning staff is here because we sort of manage the general plan and would know what would be consistent and because as uh Mr. Chu is going to say is most of them are maintenance projects. So most of them are just keeping existing facilities in in good repair and facilities that were built, you know, that were consistent with the general plan. So exactly. That's my point. Your honor, that should be explained before we we approve it. No, you're explaining it now. Okay. Then our apologies. I have a question. Sure. So, is there anything that we will be approving tonight uh as being in complant that is not in compliance with the general plan that you're putting before us tonight? Is there anything that's not in compliance? No. In staff's review of the list, we didn't see anything that wouldn't be compliant with the general plan. So, that answers the question. We could go through each of them one of a time and then you would tell us yes, it is in compliance. So, if we went down every one and asked questions about it, you would say yes, it's in compliance. Is that right? Yes. Okay. So, anything that didn't make it um like anything that didn't um go uh is not consistent from the previously Okay. No, no, we haven't seen anything. So, nothing really new. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean, since Daily City is mostly built out, most

facilities are using existing rideaways, existing city facilities. We're not acquiring new land to put in new facilities. That would be inconsistent. So, I think in in a place like Daily City, you are going to have most, if not all, capital projects being consistent with the general plan. I have a question. Do you have dates for each of these? Um we don't have specific dates other than the fiscal year that we anticipate uh starting the project. And then are you um putting this in order of what is most needed or it's just roughly? No, these are these are set up based on categories. Okay. Um in in that order. U many of these projects are multi-year projects. um when you go through design and then construction um oftentimes they do take several years because I'm just wondering because I I I am relatively new to myself and um piggybacking what to Mr. as Tori was stating earlier um that these have been sitting you know there for some time and um I have no knowledge of some of the proposals or some of the projects over here. So it's my my I need to research on it or read more and go way back on some of these proposal that has been sit there. I have attended a progress seminar during the weekend um that is hosted by the chambers of commerce satell county this past weekend and one of the breakout room is um about planning and one of the common um problem that the challenges that we have in some of the cities it's

some of the projects or have been proposed and already recommended by the planning commission but it's just sitting there, you know, um, in the count in the council. So what I learned is that whoever or who'sever that spearheaded the proposals or the developers, they have the right to go back and I think there's correct me if I'm wrong, there's a timeline for that project to be sitting there for the council to approve and um they have the right to go back and revisit it um those projects of those proposals. I'm just sharing that. Thank you. Yeah. So, so just to be clear, these are city initiated uh capital improvement type projects uh from the various um departments u in terms of budgeting uh through the capital improvement program that will be uh implemented by city. So these are not just to be clear they're not related to private development type project. want we want to know but here we we don't have any presentation here you just lay down to us your proposed projects 17 million what we what do we know about this if I'm going to go into line item budgeting it you know you might be saying that I should attend the budget hearing I am now in the planning commission asking this question will you be willing to yield to some question when it pertains to this presentation are Are you willing? Uh happy to answer any questions you may have specifically in regards to any of these projects. Um and then clarifying the scope. Um and then planning staff is here to comment on that. 17,795,000. What is the significant

changes here compared last year? Would you know? Um it's well in if you're just talking numbers um the the dollar amount is numbers but I I I want to know where it will go because this is people's money. This is my taxpayers money where it will go. So so so again these items are before the planning commission to um for for general plan consistency. Um so that's the purpose. We know that it should be consistent with the general plan, but correct. We want to know the I would say so I have a question when you're done, Ray. Yeah, I I I think it's because there's a 3.2 million difference between you know um last year's I mean the previous approved um to going into um the 2026 2027 that's all. I mean there's there's an obvious, you know, difference there. Go ahead. Yeah. But my question is this. Um, none of these none of these items that are on this list that you're telling us are consistent with the general plan. None of them are going to happen until the city council looks at them and decides which one they decide to fund. Isn't that right? Um actually what we are saying is that all of these projects are consistent with the general I understand they're all consistent but right now they're not funded yet. That is correct. Happens at the next level when the council looks at them and says these are the ones that we're going to fund into this level. Isn't that what it is? Yes, that is correct. So that's the discretion that I think you're talking about Rey. But absolutely but that's not with us. We we don't have that discretion because that's why because there is also presentation. There's no need for presentation because we have no authority over assigning money. Only the city council does. No. So they're making the list. Absolutely, your honor. But

the point is they should have some presentation. Why? What are the buried the the the the budgeting here? What is the purpose of this? just to make sure that probably you could even compare it for to the current budget because this one is a I know I I mean I would agree with you completely if we had any authority over deciding what would get picked what we would pay for it and how much we would assign of our budget if we had that authority I agree with you but we don't it's with the council so all our ask the ask from us under the law is to certify that these are inconsistent with the general plan because we are in charge of planning That is the prerogative of the city council. But my question is how do we know well it will go before we it goes to the to the council. You know you know you know m your honor we don't planning commission is supposedly advisory body to the council because we are appointed by the council. So we are supposedly advisory. We have to give them advice than just looking at each other looking beautiful, looking pretty here. No, we we are here to to provide good uh excellent uh observation, excellent recommendations to the council whether the the council listens or not to us because that is our mandate as a as a planning commissioner. We are not here just to be a rubber stamp here of anybody here. I I detest that. So when this comes before the council, it will be an agendaized item, right? Yes. And then people will have an opportunity to speak to each of these items if they think that they're good or bad. Isn't that correct? Yes, that's correct. Well, then that's the time. I mean, if we if we don't like them, then our voice can be heard when they decide they want to spend the money and then we can step up and we say, "Well, we don't think we should do that." Your honor, you agree with this that let's just

approve this without thinking. There's no involved. The thinking is whether or not this complies with the general plan. That's the narrow question. But I have I have I I have another idea. I want to ask question also. I want to know what what is the the only question the only question I am not supposed to to approve it or disapprove it. But but I want to know the the where it's going. I know what you're saying but there's only one question before us. The question is does it comply with the plan or not? That is the only narrow question that we have the authority to vote on. I would agree with you if it was different, but this is all that is on our agenda to decide whether or not in compliance with the plan. I have my own detours, your honor. I have my own thinking. Well, I understand, but it's not consistent with what's before us. And I wouldn't disagree with you if we had some discretion, but there's no discretion. I don't see any discretion here. We are not looking for discretion. You were only enlightenment. What is the purpose of this? What is the purpose of the the the current budget to the incoming budget? Well, then that's at a budget hearing. It's not before us. That's not our job. I mean, that's all I'm hearing. I don't know anything more than that. So, I can't disagree with you on what you think, but I don't think we have the authority at this point. We I'm not asking for authority to for budget realignment or whatever. I'm asking only what is the purpose. Enlighten us about like say Masra. What will be the significant changes there? Or what is what will be sanitation? What will be the significant changes for year 24 to 27? I want to know traffic transportation. What's what the significance changes there? Or are we just sleeping here and reenact the budget? Is that the the the one you one you are saying? Or water how much water are we we need to change? We can always say just reenact the budget. That's it. One more question. So, uh most of these projects are for

infrastructures. Um you know, muscle rock sanitation, uh our our water lines, our transportation system, our roads, uh these are all uh maintenance type projects. Uh in terms of uh doing slurry seals or pavement rehabilitation or sewer lines that need to be upgraded or replaced because they're 60, 100 years old. Um all of these types of projects uh are maintenance type projects. Muscle rock is our landfill site that needs to be constant before. Um and and these similar type projects were also done in previous years and will also be done in future years because it's different sewer lines on different streets or different streets that we need to slurry seal um different streets that we need to rehab. Um so you know that's what these types of projects are. their maintenance type project is very similar to previous years and will probably be similar to future years. The dollar amounts do fluctuate because of the type of project uh and the length of the project, the scope of work. So they do vary from from year to year. What was the budget for 2024 2025? Would you know? Uh it was much more than the 17 you know 79 million uh primarily because there was a lot of additional projects for our city facilities. that utilizes general fund. This you mean to say it's it's it's uh more than 17 million for 2024. Yes. Is that the budget for No, no. For for for the last two years previous Yeah. for the last fiscal year. It's it's more than $18 million in terms of what was uh approved for the previous fiscal year CIP project. So the question is all of these plans then regardless of the money do they comply with the general plan?

uh in in our opinion yes um we've selected these projects and as uh you know TA mentioned because Daily City is mostly built out because most of these projects are maintaining our existing facilities uh for those reasons uh we are saying that all of these projects are in conformance with the general plan that's why is that what you're asking us to vote on whether or not they're in conformance with the general plan or not that is correct okay so I mean our role goal this evening with regards to this item is uh limited to certifying the consistency of the CIP with the general plan not to approve or disapprove any particular project. So, how can we certify the consistency like as the planning commission? How how do we say yes? I would make I'll make a motion that I I move the recommendation of the staff that this list is in compliance with the general plan. Is that the is that I don't have it in front of me. Yeah. Just because the wording how we were supposed to certify the consistenc that is correct. Oh, what's the motion? I'll make the motion then we can vote on it and if we don't like it, we don't like it. Okay. So, the motion is your honor, we don't have the the the power here to approve or disapprove. We only have the on the mandate to recommend. That's that's the the role of the planning commission. So what is the proper form of motion? Okay. Okay. Then that is my motion. Uh that uh the items for the finding that for fiscal year 2026 27 capital improvement

program is consistent with the general plan and that's the finding that we make. That's my motion. We are still in discussion, your honor. We haven't First, we need to have a second and then we can continue to discuss. I second. No one is second yet. No one is going to second it. No one. So, um did you It's been moved and seconded. So, what happened to discussion, Madame? It's it's on the motion whether or not we believe it is consistent with the general plan. So, that's the motion. And if you would like to argue the motion whether it is inconsistent or not inconsistent. The chairman let's discuss his father because uh this is very important to us. We cannot just be a rubber stamp or just they can just do it away with it without even asking question. We have to this is because this is daily city and I love daily city and we have to know what's going on in the city. We cannot just approve it. approve it. So that's my my content. Let us discuss it further or if possible lay this on the table if we can we can do it just for for clarity sake breity sake your honor. Okay. So um Tom has made a motion. Um do I I believe it's in compliance with the general plan. So that is well that's what you believe. I believe we have to have the discussion also. Yes. Well, this is it. You if you we have to have a discussion. You believe in that? I believe we have to I believe I believe in this. It is you believe but we have to make more discussion on this. Okay. There's nothing to discuss because our only well to you it doesn't make sense to me. It makes sense if we make discussion this. Okay. Well then the way we do things in a democracy ray and I know you understand that is we vote. You know you

understand democracy. I understand that. I made a motion. Democracy is when when the discussion is raos you you know that I agree but this is a limited discussion we don't have anything more to talk about because well do you I have a lot of question well the to you probably you don't have any more thinking about it well that's that's you that's me no it's not me the narrow question the first amendment says we have to have a good discussion course okay so discussion on this basically is whether or not this complies with the general plan now any discussion I I haven't finished yet asking question well then any question that is inconsistent with that is out of order because this is the narrow say so who say so well I I would I would so you're not gentleman is the presiding you're not presiding here well I make I I'm making the point of order that the only thing that point of order are you talking about the point of order is is that the motion before us is is it consistent or is it not with the general plan that's all that we have to talk about Now any other discussion other than on that narrow subject is out of order. That is the point of order that I'm making. So now the chair can rule on that. So there is a recommendation um for the staff um um to provide uh the planning commission um with any additional information. Right. So um as to whether or not it's consistent with the general plan. Yeah. Uh yes. How do you know that my question will be consistent or not with the general plan? That's the only You are not the one to determine it. Uh Mr. Mr. What your name? That's the only It's the only question we're allowed Ry. I don't I don't disagree with you in principle, but the only question we are allowed is is it consistent or not? And the only way we can find that out is the staff says they have studied it and they are recommending that it is consistent. And

therefore that's that's that's the narrow part. I mean I I respect you very much but right now I don't think that you're going down the right hole with this question that's before question of privilege. Your honor you know Mr. Norris here attends only how many for for how many months we to them they have been together for so long every day but to us we only meet how many for for six months only one one time. How could we discuss this diligently or intelligently? Tell me. I can tell because I have the the the thing that is put before me and what I am asked to decide right now is whether or not I accept the recommendation of everything here is consistent with the general plan but I want to be I want to be approved. What that's not it to you that's it to me. No there isn't anything else that's there's nothing else for that's why I'm asking as the traffic transportation what what the significant changes will happen but even if there's even if there are significant changes the only question is if they changed it from black to white orange to green is it but you're the one doing the the the no all I'm saying that the question the only question is let let him let him answer the question then he can tell is there what notice tell you all about it if you like but the question is is it consistent with the plan whether it's big small large what fast we we are working on that general plan whether general plan or a spatial plan well I'm sorry the general plan has been cut into one half already because most of them have been used as a special plan for your information Mr. Thomas. Yeah. Well, you know, it's the same name that's been here for over 40 years. Okay. I don't remember you. That's why. Well, okay. We'll remember it. Okay. Because it's

been here for a long time. Okay. Order. Order. So, I don't need this. Call for the question. So, um for um so, let me just um um go go back on track. um to ask if um hold on where is it? So, regarding item three, uh the general plan consistency finding for fiscal years 2026 to 2027. Um, do we have a motion from Tom and a second from uh Yeah, that's correct. Uh, Regel. Yeah. Um, going to do a roll call vote. Sator uh can I give my uh anyway this is whether it we we say yes or no but let me give you a reason why we should discuss this further the question is on the vote I'm sorry it is my time no the don't don't talk when I have tick talk here point of privilege you asked for that the the the chair has called for the vote the roll call is being called. I have to explain my vote, your honor. Well, okay. That that is the parliamentary procedure. You should know that. I know it very well. You know that. No, I know. I'm glad you know it. Well, uh your honor, I am I would say we would like to make a further discussion. Not necessarily not supporting that this CIP plan. I I agree with this, but the point is I want more discussion on this because I want to be enlightened what's what's going on in the city. And it's my my right also to

know because uh we only meet here once a month sometimes once in a blue moon or not. Whereas the the people here they are all together here they're being paid whereas we are not being paid. So we are volunteer here for for the good goodness of the city. At the same time, as a civic leader, we we really have to be on lookout to be be more or less uh uh we we have to be uh consensious of what's going on the city because sometimes the city just approve it without even knowing the facts. I'm sorry to say it but that's the point. That is why uh if somebody say approve it then you should you can be a rubber stump but not me. I'm telling you that I will always see to it that based on my experience in education I will not allow such things just it just to pass it that way be treated here as in a very shabby way. Anyway, it's the city council that will approve it with this. Uh, your honor, I abstain to this. I abstain. Okay. Sorry. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. So I mean as far as as far as any questions um Rey maybe you can they can you can communicate through email if you have any additional questions like line by line. Um yes I will

just because you know Ry has been here you know longer than any of us so he's seen like previous approved um budget so maybe he just wants to you know see um you know the status from the previous years. So maybe there's like information that you can send to him um via email uh and or us all of us um as well um just not nothing special anything that you already have um that you can you know forward to us in case uh what's next. So the we could talk about when the capital budget will be going to council probably the first meeting in June. Is that the anticipated? Yes, I think so. Yeah. So, the actual capital budget will be going with the uh city's regular operating budget. I think it's anticipated that it would go the first meeting in June. And if that is something that the planning commission's interested in in watching the process for, um, we can certainly alert you to when that is scheduled to go to city council. And also to be clear, the action from the planning commission is actually not a rubber stamp because this is an independent decision the council or that the commission's making to inform the council when they approve the budgetary action that the commission found this um consistent with the general plan. So this is the finding of the planning commission that's independent of the council's action. So the council's action will be approving the budget for these items. your your question. It's uh uh I I have been attending this planning commission for several years and previously it was presented I think by the lady there before presented it very clearly now it was any question look at that look at that as if this is I don't know you guys I if you allow it then

it's up to you that's not my problem but my point is uh uh I think we are treated here very shabily not like before that probably it's different composition of commissioners but now I I can see that oh it's up to you it's okay it's your problem to ask question if you have any problem it's not a problem it's the enlightenment that we should get because as a a public official also here in daily city I I want to know what's going on because we meet only once a month sometimes not not even once a month so we want to be appraised also I want to know personal information from your mouth as a director. So that's that's what I'm [Music] I'm speaking of. Okay. Not necessarily just to to be mean about it. No, it's about previous thing that this was presented presented well by the by the engineering or what whatever is your department. Now it's not that way. and then somebody will say, "Oh, this this should be consistent with the planning with the general plan. Let's just approve it." To me, uh that's that's something that uh we should we should always uh avoid. We we we have to be more or less consensious on what's going on. Okay. The points are well taken. So, next year or the this is a two-year two years. So in two years when this um the capital improvement uh program budget has to go through the process again we we would take your comments to heart and at the next time we present it we will have a more detailed presentation of the projects. Thank you. Thank you adjournment. I move for adjournment. Um well um there's nothing else. Do you have um any com any other comments? I just want to say uh Ray, I totally

understand what you're saying, but we need to trust our planning division that have been working for us. I cannot hear you. I say Ry, I understand what you're trying to say to everyone and how you want to see the results, the before and after, but we need to trust Michael Tatum and the people of the planning division that they're doing their job correctly. That's what we learn in this school. You have to be clarified. Yes. Which are they've been working with us for 10, 15 years. I think they know what they want. You don't want to know. I don't know why. I don't know if you went Maybe we should schedule a meeting with Michael Tatum privately and then they'll discuss everything on the agenda for you so you can answer all your questions. You you you're going to tell us attend the budget hearing where whereas this is our time. This is our time my time to ask question. Now just then you will tell me or just ask attend the the budget hearing. Yeah, you're correct. got reason why. My god, this is really funny, huh? No. Yeah, this is like a team effort. We're all here. It's not. It's not funny. And I think you funny. It's not. But Ray, I have to tell you something, okay? Because you've been on this for a long time and I respect you very much. But I always say I respect you also. And I speak my mind and I and if I offended you in any way or anyone else. I did not intend it. I'm speaking my mind. You're speaking yours. We respect each other. And so I I I because there was a it's just a meeting. It's just a meeting and we have our own point of views but it doesn't mean that we don't respect each other and that we can never lose because we have your honor to this stuff. Respect also our time. We came here to to to more or less to be on support of you to support the project whatever. But we want also to know what's going on in in your back. We want to know that is that is the purpose of the meeting here. That is the purpose of this uh planning commission meeting. Thank you. We have the people because

the people here are watching also remember that they want to know what's going on here. Exactly. You're right. Right. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Um Okay. Go ahead. With that, I just want would like to request um for one minute moment of silence um for uh Alfredo Francisco Buventura, the father of um former mayor uh Ray Buventura who passed away uh on April 28th of this year at 94 years old. Your honor, I would like also to honor the father of uh former mayor Ray Benura, now the chief defender of Lake County. Thank you. Uh, Alfredo Bentur has been the president of the Philippine National Bank way back in 70s and we were together sometime during uh Tal volcano eruption and even help us bring us some food. I remember that and uh I'd like to dedicate this as a tribute to him. Thank you very much. Thank you. So moment of silence for one minute and also lastly uh this is the silence I would like to congratulate uh she's making the moment of sil sorry so one one minute this is the moment of silence okay I didn't hear it oh sorry sorry sorry

Okay. Thank you. So I move for adjournment. We have a motion to adjourn. You have a second. Yes. Everybody um all in favor? All in favor? I I Thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you everyone.