Public Safety Commission - Regular Meeting

Morning. Thank you, everyone. Welcome. Ah two thousand twenty five public safety commission. It's now six four seven, and all the meeting to order.

Alright. So I'll do the roll call. Chair Doss?

Yes. It is. Yes.

And vice commissioner Ruzma?

Here.

And commissioner Vega?

Yes.

And commissioner Sankar?

Ravi.

Yes. Mhmm. Alright.

Okay. So now we have first in the agenda, some of the ceremonial matters. The first is the subject, March 13.

Point of clarification, chair. No ceremonial matters and presentations tonight. Just the next item on the agenda is approval of minutes.

Is that approval of the minutes? Sorry. So yeah. Yeah. That yeah. Perfect. Our first agenda is the approval of the meeting since the 03/13/2025 public safety commission meeting minutes. And I pass it to Jessica and Martha for so that we can

And the minutes are gonna be up on up on the LEGISTR. They were also sent out to all for me. Mhmm. So for approval minutes, does anyone have any questions about minutes or any concerns or are we going to approve as they were sent out?

Yeah. Alright.

Could I get a motion to approve the minutes?

Motion to approve the March 13 minutes.

K. And can I get a second?

And

we'll do a roll call vote. Chair Doss?

Yes. I approve. K.

Vice Chair?

Yes.

And

commissioner?

Through. K.

Motion passes.

Okay. So our next item is the oral communication. Right? So so this this portion of the meeting is the result of the person wishing to address the commission for any matter within the jurisdiction of the commission and not in the agenda. And speakers are limited to three minutes. So I am, you know, asking if anyone wants to participate in this oral communication.

Yes. So this evening here, we have one for inter or one oral communication. If anyone from the public wishes to make oral communications, please fill out a speaker card and have it turned in by the time the first speaker is done speaking. So welcome to Somali. You will have three minutes, and you can come up to the table and speak. Hi,

everyone. So I moved to Puppartino about twelve years ago. And so we love Puppartino. I I moved from Boston, so no comparison with the weather.

So so

we loved it. And then we had this incident two incidents on our street about burglary, and that's what kind of led us to block leader program and the neighborhood watch program. So Stephanie was, at that time, the neighborhood watch person who my house and actually kind of explained how the neighborhood watch program is run. And she told us what we should do, how we should be vigilant, etcetera, etcetera. And then after that, every year, we have blog get togethers.

And then whoever is coming new to our blog, we kind of explain them and then kind of welcome them. And we have a WhatsApp group. We used to have a Google group. Now nobody cares about it. So we generally do communication to WhatsApp group.

And I just wanted to bring the program that is block leader program to the public safety commission because I think it's a great tool. And as a vice captain, had talked to him about it. We our home was burglarized in March. And I wanted to do this for a long time, but this kind of was the last straw. So but then we thought that block leader program is a great tool for all these kind of for telling people how to be vigilant and, you know, sending information, collecting videos.

That's what we talked about because a lot of people have now video cameras. So why don't we use this tool for the public safety purpose? Right? So as Martha is here and she is actually runs the block leader program, We would really like for you to kind of step up and take leadership on this and help the public with this. It's a serious issue.

If you see the stats, there are so many burglaries happening right now, and not only in the houses, but also on the street. And on the East Coast, my friends are asking me, why are you living in a lawless state? Which is really not true. But, I mean, that's how the perception of this city is outside. And I really want to understand what we can do to solve this issue, and I talked to cap vice captain also about it. So we would like to actually know how the resident can help to curb this situation. Pardon my timing? Of course. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, Charlie.

Can we have one more oral communication for this evening? And welcome, Mark. You will have three minutes. But

Hi. Sorry. I'm late. Linda invited me. I'm a former commissioner twenty five years ago. Remember Linda lives across the street from me. He knew there was a vacancy on the commission and a little bit about my background and safety, so he invited me to come. And I was curious about what's happening with the commission these days. So I'm glad to be back. It's been quite a while. I have a career in safety. I've been a professional safety engineer, safety director, safety manager for forty years. So this is what I do. So I've got no agenda. Just here to see what's going on.

Thank you. March.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

One more for communication for me. And welcome, Siti. Yes. You'll have a minute.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for listening to me.

Just

I've been resident of the city for the last fifteen years now. We moved a couple of doctors going to. My family is very active. My daughter has been a star. She's the current rising star,

for the

rest of our actively participating in in Monterrey High School school, leadership group too, working with, the city council members, mayor, and city council members, and lots of lots of initiatives. And she is very passionate. She has been pushing us, pushing me. And I joined the TIC commission recently and vice chair of the commission. And last time I attended mayor's and commission meeting, and I recommended to form a cross commission working group on public safety.

Because public safety is on agenda not only in this commission. This is on agenda on on lots of other commission as well. Correct? And, I changed also from from the compliance perspective, and our CTO attorney mentioned that, yes, cross functional commission working group can be formed so that we won't duplicate. The commission don't duplicate what they are doing on public safety, and they can work and make a proposal to you guys, and how we can work together and make a proposal.

For example, my my commission can work on how technology can be used in the city. We are technologists, on the first side technologists. We have seen how technology is improving. It's it's worked on the corporates, how the technology is being used in neighboring cities, and we'd like to recommend. We'd like input from from this commission also. We'd like input from other commissions also. So my proposal is to form a cross commission working group to make a proposal to our authorities and work.

Thank you.

Thank you

very much. Thank you,

And that closes out oral communications.

Is there any other written communications? The commission did

not receive any written communications for this.

Okay. So we go to the old segments. Right?

That's how we build this.

And the one is business setting. So then we are going to go with the next. It's the new business. So the next is agenda number two, presentation of the Nirvana program. And I'm requesting and Martha to facilitate that. I think the office is gonna do this presentation today.

Okay. I'm not too sure how you want to run this, sir. Because I don't know if you want me to act like you guys are the, like, neighborhood that I'll be in the presentation too. So I guess I'll try to just do it that way. So just working what we usually do is, I've often gone to a few of these. Usually, it's usually at somebody's house. So I did one recently for the bear chat as well. And we just kinda go over property prime trends and some of that. You go to the next slide. Next one.

Sorry. We go to property crime statistics. These are the from our end of the year one. I have the most updated ones up to March that I'll give later during my safety commission report. So I just wanna kinda give you guys a general idea of what presentation we give to the actual neighborhood watch program. So we just kinda go over the property crime totals, what's trending, and what's going up and down. The next slide goes into how it breaks down on a pie chart. I'm a big visual learner, so I like visual, like, pie charts and charts and stuff like that.

Tell me, go to the previous ones.

Yeah.

One second. Previous slide.

So, again, these are totals from last year. It goes all the way up to December 2024. I have the most current ones for 2025 and the ones that I'll be giving later. I just didn't update this one because I just wanted to get it gives you a general overview of what the actual presentation looks like. Yes, ma'am.

Can you define the residential burglary burglary and grand theft? Yes. For sure.

So residential burglary is keynote code section four five nine, which basically means that I, as a per as a suspect of a crime, has to enter a dwelling in order to commit theft or any felony. So, like, most common is residential. I have to enter your house with the intent to commit a theft or any other felony. Whereas a actual grand theft is if I steal a bike off your porch or I take your wallet from your person or steal your purse off this table. That's what a grand theft is. It's anything over $950 of value. Anything below $950 is considered a petty theft. So that's a big differentiator. He's actually entering a dwelling or a just specified structure to your benefit. That's what the decision burglary and grand theft is.

That makes sense?

Thanks. Yeah. Got that.

And then commercial burglary is just that. It's the commercial business.

Yeah. It just seemed like the grand theft seemed like a bigger deal. But

It just says grand theft is bigger because it kinda encompasses so much more. It comes to this, like, when someone's bike gets stolen off their porch over here, like, the apartments or, again, like a wallet or other things like that. So

Thank you.

So, yeah, the pie chart just kinda give another visual reference of how all the crimes are breaking down. Next one and next one. And, again, set a chart to kinda show the trend of burglaries over the last ten years for this particular chart. And it's kinda showing the trend of going the ebbs and flows. Next one, it breaks down to burglaries per month. So here, I kinda break it down to ask I like a lot of because I teach at the academy too, so I like a lot of, like, interaction from the people, public for public. So I'll start asking questions like, hey. Why do you think May through August is the most furious? And people will will we go on vacation? Like, exactly.

People know as a suspect of a crime, I know that people aren't home and that that's when the time is hit because that's when people most likely take vacations. Kids are out of school, and that's when people plan vacations. And also the the holidays too, like November, December. I say, like, what happens in November, December? Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, and then people realize that, yeah, that's when most people are usually outside of homes. And then next one goes to just another chart that kinda just breaking it down, the years of burglaries per month. This this is giving different visual references. This is how people learn and stuff like that. Next one. And then this goes over the map of where all the burglaries happen.

That's where all the red dots on your left upper left hand corner. And then it goes into type below that, upper house. And days of the week, up there too, and then time of day. And then that's when, again, little bit more reaction. Hey. Why do you think it happens between 4PM and 12AM? Darkness. Because as at Crook, I don't wanna be seen, so I try to go under the the cloak of darkness. That way, people don't see me trying to break into your house. And they they do happen during the day, but pre Napoli and Cupertino, we usually see them in the evening just because they get starter and stuff like that.

Next one. And the one after that too. So here we go. Just kind of some burglary tips section about how people can keep each other safe. Again, I try to give a little more action and try to ask people like, hey. What are some stuff that you do? This I forget your first name, ma'am.

Sorry.

I'm sorry. I forget your first name. She did a great job of last time during the coffee with the mayor of going over some tips that she does in her neighborhood through her NeighborWatch program. Mhmm. First one is neighborhood watch. It's kinda just being neighborly, knowing your neighbors, watching out for your neighbors. So that way, it's kinda a whole see something, say something kind of thing. So if you see somebody that's suspicious at the other neighbor's house, call them the sheriff's office, we'll come out and check it out. And then, other things like locked windows, people always ask about alarms. And the big thing that we're preaching is harming alarms.

Because a lot of people think that they're just gonna leave their house for five minutes that they don't need to harm their alarm because they're just gonna be out. But burglaries usually have time opportunity, so you gotta harm your alarm anytime you leave the house, even if it's going down, pick up their kids from school or a lot of people know know about the patrol check request. So you can go to our website and actually request the patrol check.

Oh, that's great.

Did it as a deputy. Basically, what the residents do is they go to our website, request a patrol check. They put when dates and times they want are gonna be gone or when when they want the patrol check. And what a deputy does is they go out to the residence depending on time of day, spotlight the front, set my steps in. So I get out of my car, kinda walk up to the front, make sure there's no broken windows, doors not kicked in, so that. Not necessarily going to backyard because a lot of bad things can happen in backyard if there's dogs or maybe someone's home or somebody that we don't wanna scare somebody if they're home or something like that. So usually, this is the front check to make sure everything looks good. Big one is social media. Like, what do you when do you guys have social media?

Yes.

Yeah. That's what say where you are. Exactly. But when when we travel, right, we wanna put those good photos online about where we're at Disneyland, we're at Disney World, we're in Europe. Right? But at me as a crook, there's, like, software out there where I can search social media platforms and see those posts, especially if they're public. So if I know that you two are gone for because you're in Europe, I know for a fact you can't call them as burglary when I go to your

house. Mhmm.

So our we're preaching to all the all the residences, hey. Save those great photos of all those meals and those great sites you saw till you get back to your house. So that way, you can do it. And then kids. Right? I mean, you guys have kids. Right? You have you have older you have your siblings? No. No? Okay. Well, I mean, you are you're always

on the phone.

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Kids too. Right? They're always on the phone. Social media, some of that. So we're preaching, hey. Get your kids to stay off social media while while you're traveling till you're home. So Big thing. I know what came up during the mayor or the conflict with the mayor, especially with her, was where you keep your valuables. So what we've seen is the trend is the point of entry for burglars is through the back door, usually through a sliding glass door. They break it. They know they have limited time, so they make a beeline towards the master bedroom. Because what do we keep in the master bedroom?

Valuable.

Most valuable. Right? That's where we usually have a safe, where we have all our jewelry, money, passports, all that we can make stuff. So what we're saying is switch things up. Maybe move your safe or your valuables to another room, maybe a kid's room or, like, garage. Somewhere unassuming where the where me as a suspect aren't gonna really go to that place because I know I have limited time as far as the alarm going off, sheriff's office is coming. I know I have, like, maybe ten minutes, fifteen minutes or so to get in there, try to guide as much as I can and bounce. So I don't have time to search the entire house to go to it. So we're just kinda preaching, like, hey. Move your stuff to a different part of that house.

So that way, it is a little bit more safer, if that makes sense. Next slide. And then just reiterating, keep doors and windows closed when you guys leave the house, especially. I know it gets hot, and we're arguing for that hot time. It's very easy to leave doors and windows open or, like, especially windows.

Maybe cracked a little bit, let some circulation, something like that in. But, again, burglary is a prime opportunity. So me, if as a burglar, if I can not kick in a door or maybe break a window, but just slide up a window, I'm gonna try to do that rather than kicking in a door or a window. So, yeah, it's a crime opportunity. We're teaching keep doors, windows closed instead of that even if you're only meeting for a short trip to the store or something like that.

Gates and fences, put locks on them. So that way, me as a group has a little bit more of a barrier to get into the backyard. Because if all I have to do is pop a notch and get to the backyard, that's a lot easier than have to jump a fence. It looks a little odd, especially if neighbor watch watching me jumping a fence into a backyard because then it's like, oh, well, that's not normal because I don't recognize the guy jumping. Sure.

Next one. And last and last see is some of the stuff I already hit for alarm systems. Turn them on. You can actually some alarm companies so, usually, what the disconnect is is once the alarm goes off, it goes to the dispatch center for the alarms company system. The alarm company system has to call usually the homeowner, and the homeowner says, yes.

Send the leaks. And then they call our dispatch, who dispatches to a patrol deputy, and then they so that's usually where the disconnect is as far as response times, as far as when the alarm goes off to when we actually respond to the scene. Usually, most alarm companies, you can actually tell them if you want, and we're telling residents is you can call them up and say, hey. Automatically dispatch. Don't you don't have to call me if you get an alarm with that. However, there are some caveats with that. Right? Because if it's a false alarm, you set it off yourself, they might dispatch law enforcement without calling you without you saying, hey. It was a false alarm. So it's and you gotta weigh your pros and cons a little bit there. Maybe if you're going out of town, though, say, hey. Automatically dispatch because you know I'm not gonna be there.

Mhmm.

So that's what we're also saying with the alarm systems. We don't we can't, as a sheriff's office, like, represent any alarm systems just because would that be, like, a conflict of interest? But there are plenty of systems out there that we set, like, anything from, like, Nest to Brink to ADT, all those. And next to next one. I'm sorry.

And last but not least is identity theft and fraud. Identity theft is a big crime that's rampant everywhere just because it's so easy to do. There's no physical interaction between people. There's no I could do it essentially from my bedroom in my underwear and especially steal millions of dollars, thousands of dollars from people and not have that interaction where I might get hurt or I might have to pull a weapon on somebody or have a weapon pulled on me. So it's just so easy, and we're trying to keep people safe by just going with some tips on some identity theft and fraud. Again, I try to get some little interaction with the crowd by just asking, hey. What have you done? What have you got scams have you guys seen? That's usually, like, a false email, a cold call. It's kinda saying that you're have a warrant for your arrest or that you owe money to the stuff.

And I'm saying, hey. Anybody that's gonna ask for your money already knows your information. They're not gonna ask for personal identifying information from you and then looking for fraudulent emails from, like, things and stuff like that. So and that is pretty much it for the Neighborhood Watch presentation.

So now we're gonna do the spins roll.

So

after a presentation, this is happening in the neighborhood. If the neighborhood would like a neighborhood watch sign to be put up, we need a petition from the residents of the block. So neighborhood block that would like a neighborhood watch. 80% of the residents to sign a petition that then goes to me, and I send it over to the science team over at Public Works. There are a couple reasons why they might say, no, we can't put up a sign.

Almost always, it's because there's already a sign there. In one case, it was there is it turned out that half the street was outside of the Burkinah, So they couldn't put it in a precise spot that the residents had requested. We can put up a second sign or in some cases a third sign. If after six months of the original sign going up, there is still concern about about crime, and the neighborhood would like a second sign. Same process has to occur.

We need 80% of the residents on the block to sign a petition, and it goes over to our public works team. I keep saying block, because sometimes I'll have, it's all the same street name, and they'll say, oh, I want it between, you know, here and here, and I'd like five signs. Okay. We need signatures from each of those blocks, 80%. And that's mostly because we need the consent of folks that, yes, everyone or most people, super majority on the block would like the sign.

And we ask question.

Alright. So a lot of folks will use the Neighborhood Watch program either to provide a Block Leader program. And for some folks, it's an introduction to the Block Leader program. The Neighborhood Watch program is a national program. Way that things are done come naturally.

There are some things that the city of Coopla, Canada does not do that other cities do. I think most famously, residents of Cupertino who are in need of watch do not patrol, partially because we have perfectly good law enforcement, partially because we don't want anyone to get hurt. There are some areas where they put stickers on their car of like, oh, I'm on patrol for neighborhood watch. We request that residents in super keto do not do that because we don't want you to confront someone, and a violent situation is not really a situation who's learned mindually. We would rather that you call professionals than that would be in our case.

The lawfulness program is a bit more focused on community building as a whole where neighborhood watch as a national program is focused on crime prevention. So they come from the same idea, which is that we're safer when we know we're in movers. However, when it comes to some folks who start interested in neighborhood watch and then maybe would like to discuss things with their neighbors on a more broad structure excuse me, spectrum of topics, they might switch to the block leader program. The block leader program also has more requirements. We ask that block leaders come to one of four quarterly meetings a year, that they host some kind of event, which could be a neighborhood watch presentation within a neighborhood, and that they participate in our awareness that go out.

Thankfully, we have not had to send one of those.

So we can have right now the questions on this?

From the commissions. Questions from the commissions.

Yes. Oh, round the. Okay.

Yeah.

With regard to the petition, do we is there a template already, or do we have to come

up sign? It can be as simple as a piece of paper ripped out of a notebook that just says, we're this city street between here and here, and we would like a neighborhood watch sign and then just a bunch of signatures. Okay.

And then I have a follow-up question. So we had a neighborhood watch meeting once, and I believe it was Sean who would come to our now I remember when

I think it was

It was four years ago, five years ago. This was before Okay. Pandemic. So now it suddenly me when I heard you speaking about some of these things, but that's okay. We got a bunch of signs, but we never had anything installed by public board. So that's different. Right? Just those things that go in the window. That's Yes.

So there there are some signs available to go in folks' windows. I found that since I have taken a program in the last two years, people prefer having the sign the street sign. Yes. But those are still available. It's Okay.

So you have those plus the street sign. Okay.

There you go.

That's it for right now. Okay.

So on the night of her watch program, right, the sign, I understand, you know, at least for some awareness of, like, it gives that safety limit, but a street with the sign, a street without the sign, is there any difference from the law enforcement or anything?

So there have been some studies. They're a bit inconclusive because we're not sure if I say we I did not perform the study. The researchers were not sure if the actual point of difference was the fact that neighborhoods were now more in communication with each other or if it was the actual site itself. So we do know that areas with neighborhood watch programs do see less crime, but we we're not able at the moment to point to is it the sign that's the defense or not.

Why the 80%? I mean, like, in in our street, we had a lot we had to almost spend, like, a month or so in order to get the 80%. We were able to get, like, sixty, seventy, but, like, not everybody's available on getting why 80% in the street has to agree for the sign? How it is determined?

Mhmm. I

I'm not a 100% sure. How it was explained to me is that that's a city policy. I believe it's the same as for having a barricade set up for a block party is to make sure that there is near unanimous agreement. But I believe that's a public works policy.

Maybe we can Maybe maybe we can

find out that if somebody doesn't want to participate, they don't want to say yes or no. They have no opinion. Or somebody doesn't respond at all, but not available, let's say. Can that be outside of the count of the count? I mean, maybe that's something.

Mean, they wouldn't count as part of the 80%, but they do count as a red

So you're

somewhere on

the screen. Respond.

Will it be yes then? No.

We need a signature.

So we have to go to the same house multiple times because Oh, you can enormous one.

So if you have 10 houses in the neighborhood

Let's say

Let's just say 10, for example. You get eight of them. There's two on our signing. Now if you have

Not the eight. If I have six, but for the two, I mean, it's not

Try to remain. Not there. Then what do you do?

So I'm keep trying to No.

Then then we assume, like, six out of eight or six out of 10.

Right now, out of 10. It's 6%.

That's what trying to find out clarifications on my

So if you don't hear from a household, then that's

That's better

than that.

Unless you go back and reach out to them again. Yeah. It's it's not 80% of respondents. It's 80% of the neighborhood of the block.

Can I recommend that we can action item to understand how this 80% is reprimanded and whether as a public safety commission, we can make a recommendation along it?

I think that might be awkward.

I'll just see that.

Paul have to check.

But yeah. Because it depends on the action item to find out and. So one thing that anybody else I have some good conversation.

So can I also ask questions to Sherry Fox? Sherry's. Right? Yes. So so great presentation. A lot of metrics, lot of graphs. It's easy to digest. Looks the trends. I mean, at least from the graphs, it doesn't look that bad. But, like, when we hear my story, it's it's always scary. Because even in our street, we had a bug with, like, eight, nine months back. So, like, from the resources point of view, right, is there any ask from the sheriff's, like, again, to the public safety commission, is there any ask from the resources point of view? Or in order to I mean, last, couple of months back when we met, we discussed about how we boost the petrols. Right? And we understand there is budget constraints and all.

What are the recommendations or asked from the sheriff's office of the city council or the public safety commission that maybe can go and request the city council? What what what are the resources you need from the financial point of view or any other resources? Mhmm.

So the conversation I have with captain Valenzuela. Just Yes. What he has. I know you guys already hit it as far as with, like, flock coming online. Because one one thing we've noticed with close to Los Altos Hills and Saratoga is that burglaries kind of dipped a bit once those work just because the the bad guys know that there's automated license plate meters now.

Right.

Right? So they have to change their tactics a little bit because they know that if they drive vehicles in, they're gonna get hit on one those cameras. Right?

So the LAPFs are now installing. But, you know, I know April was the time frame given last time. Are they active?

They're active yet, but it's my knowledge they're being installed as we speak. Or maybe as we speak, but they're being installed now.

So so how do we know the latest status on LAPR and how do we expedite? I don't know who.

To be honest with you, I don't have that question. I just know that they are being installed. I know that I've because I usually run to in the evenings, and I run through the neighborhoods. I actually saw some private ones too off of Rainbow. So I know private. I believe so because it was basically and it was deep off of Rainbow. Like, wasn't above. Because five residents can buy them themselves.

Right.

Uh-huh. And they just have to give, basically, the city end, then green light to be able to access them. So that way, they can put it into the sheriff's office network as much like Saratoga. Saratoga and Los Altos are the same way.

So can we find out who is the spot for AE and get a status?

Yeah. So last meeting, I remember that our city manager saying that by April

Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't know the exact status at this point. Maybe Jessica and Martha can

find out

and let us know. Because I have the same question that what is the exact status of that today, like March, today, May.

I sent a a e I have an email actually yesterday to our our representative from Flop to see what the status is because was it you that emailed me, Jessica? By asking about flock? Or no. It was Rochelle. Okay. I think it was Rochelle emailed saying that they yeah. Rochelle. What's the

last name? Sander.

Sander. She she emailed to asking that she heard that they were installed and operational, And I tried pulling up on our the flock in on my login, and I didn't see them on the map. So I emailed our flock rep asking, hey. What's the status, and how do we get them flipped on if they are operational? So I have not heard a response yet from him. Yeah.

So how do we find who is this call and how we have ensured that it concludes in the minutes for the next

So this is the I think my understanding, this is being administered by the city manager's office. So I think city manager's office that needs to take action to find

Yep.

That's my understanding. Yeah. I I sent the email on this one to to the city manager, and the response I believe that was that by Yeah. Program. Installed. So I had a follow-up email on that one already, actually. So I will send it, but I think we are going to find out why it is. Probably, it is closed, we don't know. So anything that we can help, I think we do not. It's in basic direction.

Also it's It's better to know the, like, the status. Right? So, I mean, you you got the action item. Right? So I have follow-up question.

Okay. So the material, the nitro material is great. Right? Is it also available on the city website or on the sheriff's website?

I don't believe it's available on the city website because it's a sheriff's document. I would have to speak with captain Valenzuela to make sure that what we put up is something that is planned to be used for a while because, obviously, we don't wanna have updated information on the city website.

Especially the tips portion of it. Right? I think the tips are great. Fresh coming out of the Sheriff's office based on their experience, right, and their expertise. So I think those should be publicized. I I'm not sure. I didn't go through Sheriff's website. So if it's there, that takes somewhere in the website.

Yeah. I'm too sure. It's off top my head.

So the yeah. So I I think one of the thing that we discussed in the last meeting also that not only the safety part of it, this kind of, you know, guidance from the sheriff's office, the best practices. Also, from the fire point of view also, like, you know, when The fire chief. Hit or or the you you presented. Right? We wanted to get that message to community, and we were fine trying to struggling the what is the process? One of the best vehicle to get this message to the community. And this message is a great message, but even I didn't know some of these things and how we can know. So that's why I think the program or, you

know, the

other program that we can through them, if we can spread the message and reach out to community, that would be helpful. I think that's one of the things that we discussed last meeting. And we can follow-up on that. Yeah. I think yeah.

So, Aditi, please.

No. I think I think, today, think our third, you know, topic, you know, today is that, you know, creating a subcommittee and see that what are the specific actions we can take and how we can do better, you know, with just because the government and as well as more concrete action to help and partner with the Sheriff's office to improve the situation. And as a part of that, we can take some of these actions.

Yeah. I mean, at at least this action item, right, somebody takes it. That way, you don't lose track of it. We we meet once in two months. So it's it's if target and it's not in the minutes, then we

totally can do we wanted to form. We are gonna discuss that information. The the committee that can frequently meet and we can disturb this from.

So the subcommittee, we're gonna wait until the next Yeah.

Next next topic. I'm what I'm saying, hold it hold it for now. I think the next topic, we can discuss this part of the some sections.

One more question for sure. Busy. Nobody else has any. So it's lovely to see that the curve is turning down, which is great. We have lesser issues. How many, though, have been resolved? But even if there was, like, three you know, it came down from three

Mhmm.

How many of those three are now resolved? As in, have they made an arrest? Have they recovered the property? Have they had any level of improvement besides taking the case?

So you said how many resolved cases trend?

Yeah. How many what is the resolved cases trend probably equally as important as how how the trends are going

because Yeah. After that, I have the center, you know, actually points within here. Another point is when this happened incident, the involved party, they get further communication from Sheriff's office that, look, this is what we could do. This is what we have taken action with them. That gives them more sense of security that, okay, we are protected, you know. There is a system and that is working. I think people who has been victimized so that they feel better. Right?

Yeah.

Because then they'll never still feel better. Because when they're talking, right, you off the top on the street, you know, when they see each other, they share with, you know, there's some actions being taken on I think I should understand that. Right. Good one then. Like, personally, I had two incidents. And after the incidents, it was not resolved. I never got any communications back. So I don't know what is the process. It's been, like, two years or more earlier. So that's something that we we can understand.

Yeah. As far as feedback, I mean, I was a detective. I did mainly domestic violence and, like, child abuse. But I just the volume of cases, I didn't have the time to, like, call each individual person and say, hey, this is a statutory case. This guy's would spend my day doing more of those calls than actually, like, investigating if that makes sense.

But I could I don't know if we can glean the the clear, like, report statistics, but I can look into it to see if they maybe we can if there's a way of glean that information as far as, like, cleared reports and some of that. I know we are, at the end of this year, changing a report writing system just department wide, which hopefully should be a little bit more, like, data friendly as far as because our system right now is is a little bit older, and it's harder to build stats and something like off of it. But, yeah, I'll look into that, see if I can pull that kind of information and maybe for the next meeting.

Yeah. In your report, for example, there's a residential about 70 cases a year.

Yep.

So 70 cases, basically, you're senior of so many people, like, if those 70 incidents, those phone has they come to know that what happens. So, please, update my email even or text message. Even that would have been a better thing. Right now, it's a little bit black one from that point.

I'll talk to captain to see if maybe he's tried in the past just to see what his answer is. Yeah. I'm sure he has. So he'd have probably a better understanding of that.

Yeah. I don't I don't know if have any other comment on this, team. I can ask it otherwise.

So I have one more question on the alarm tip of. Mhmm.

Yep.

So I I have a I mean, personally, I have a ring monitoring system. Okay. I I it's not monitored by anybody, just for my home.

Okay.

It's

not connected. Right? It's it it doesn't give an alert. But even if it's making noise, nobody outside would hear. Even if it's screaming. Right? Inside the house, it could be screaming. Right. The neighbors may not hear. So is there any recommendation? I think many people in my neighborhood at least, not everybody has a service that somebody is monitoring their house.

Yeah.

But they they do have individual systems. So any recommendation on that?

As far as What kind of

column do you recommend that way that would alert neighbors? Let's say, I'm being my house is being burglarized.

Oh. But I got you.

It's it's it's loudly making noise, but neighbors both neighbors are at home and nobody is hearing anything.

With that, I am not too sure if it's audible in the exterior. There's no way to kinda alert your neighbors of it. However, if it's even audible on the inside, I mean, me as the bad guy, I have no idea if it's actually being monitored or not. I just hear the alarm going off, so I have no idea. I just know I don't I hear alarm going off, I'm gonna have limited time to go into this house. Right? It's kinda like, another tidbit. It wasn't on the slide. It was, beware of dog signs. Even if you don't have a dog, like, just throwing that on the fence could be an deterrent because me as a bad guy try to go into a backyard. Like, I don't know if you have a chihuahua. I don't know if you have a Doberman. Like, I don't know. Make that chance to go in that backyard because I don't know what kind of dog I'm gonna run into. Before we got a I mean, we have a goldendoodle.

So, I mean, it's the most, like like, soft dog and whatever comes in. Like, they'll act all mean, but they'll come up to you and start licking your face. But and we have a beware dog sign on our fence just because, like, they could because when you knock on our door, she'll act all bad. And she sounds mean. But as soon you open the door, it's like, tiptail wags, some of that.

But as a bad guy, they don't know that. Like, all they hear is a dog inside, and they have no idea what kind of dog it is. But but sorry. I went off on a tangent a little bit. The alarm systems, like, even putting, like, the stickers so that, like, protected by Ring, protected by I I've even seen people where they don't even have an alarm in the house, but they'll hit up ADT and spend, like, $10 by putting this the stakes in in the front yard saying protected or monitored by ADT or Brink or whatever it is. Just so there's is some kind of deterrence there.

Thank you.

Did I answer your

question? Yes. Okay.

Thank you. So I did the I mean, I think the similar question, I think, which measures here in the outside. So with respect to this report, anything that you know? I mean I mean, how I mean, if we just do the color code. Right? You know? That is it, like, negative? What is your sense? And how we can improve better? What are the is needed? Anything anything why why you see the improvement spot here?

This spot.

The the client report.

But for loading the time frame.

Because that time I'm trying to see that that show on, like, last four years or five years. Yes. What is the spot you've seen that the improvement opportunity and we should just pure based on your expertise and your audience experience.

I'll skip back on you that. I mean, it sounds like a pop out answer, but it's just something that I'll have to get a little bit more in-depth into. Right? And talk to captain Valenzuela, see what he's done in the past, what's worked and what's hasn't worked. Because I've been out of this division for a little bit. I mean, I wasn't sergeant out here for two years, but last year, I was in in the task force. And then now I'm back. And now I'm in a different role too where I can have those little deeper conversations rather than just worrying about how my control team. So I just had to have different conversations with captain, see what his thoughts are, what he's tried, and then we kinda game plan and go from there. Does that make sense?

And I because I don't wanna, like, say something that's already been tried and true and then it not work rather than kinda move the ball forward rather than they do subscribe.

So so if I may suggest mister chair, boss, maybe we we should broaden the action item. So areas of improvement, right, where we can focus on also what resources are, like, how we increase the controls. Right? Everything is, like, tied to each other. If we can get some recommendation from the sales of the last meeting.

Probably, mean, and I'm hoping again that probably, you know, we'll align the next agenda and all that because that's where I think we will be

There's more subspace on the next item.

Yeah. Yeah. I I think that's

what I think I

think I think

Got it.

Maybe we can move on to the next one. I think this

one will

be I

think you. We do have public comment on this item.

Okay.

Okay. Go ahead and go to the public comment. Okay.

Sure.

We have two speaker cards for this item. The first speaker will have three minutes.

One minute.

Sure. First of all, thank you. Thank you, both of you. The presentation was very insightful. Thanks a lot again. One thought, Sherif, to your presentation is we talked about social media and how particulars are using social media.

Mhmm.

And being a technology guy, this came to my mind that we use technology that they're made out. It's how to how to improve safety in the community. Mhmm. And and also safety is a public sport. It is yes. You lead us, but it is also community's job to to be more aware about it. I am glad, like, I saw some of the presentation from her, which I didn't even know about it. So so thank you for sharing that. So first question I have for you is that the presentation you shared, is it okay to share in the community? What's up group?

I believe this is the public, on document. We can share it. Because we we share lots of things on our WhatsApp community. Personally, I'm connected to thousands of households in the in the in the city. Mhmm. All we talk about whenever the bad things happen, we talk about it. But we don't talk about, like, how to prevent it too much. You know? That is human nature. Then if we talk about crime more than prevention of the crime. So so is it okay if share, your document in in such public forum or social media? Is that okay?

Yeah. Anytime we do these neighborhood watch programs, I bring printed copies because it's usually I don't have access to a computer, so I go off of a flip chart. I hand those out. And then if people want the PDF version, I get their emails and I share it to usually the block leader so that way they can disperse it amongst the neighborhood. So yeah. I mean, all the crime statistics are public information anyways. And then the crime prevention tips are I mean, nothing confidential. So it's just knowledge for you guys to help each other out.

Thank you very much. And second question is how you'd like to know. Like, my commission would like to know how the technology is used by your your department. Maybe that would be I don't know how do we request that. So so we would like to understand how the technology is used.

Far as, like like, what we have in the patrol cars to, like, the are saying?

Are you guys, like I understand that you have got a camera registration program, for example. Do we know how many how many neighbors have registered for that? You know, can we help in in way to increase the registration? We have got safety cam cameras on the traffic signal. How do you guys monitor? Mhmm. Is it possible maybe that is a question for you. Is it possible for for you to come to our commission and and make us understand how we use the technology for safety?

I mean, that's something we can explore, yeah, and come to it. I mean, there's some things yeah. I mean, that's something we if that's what you would like to do. Yeah.

It's and I've got a one very good question for you. Mhmm. What is what does block mean? Is it a 10 home, 20 home?

It's the street block.

It's but the street

would be

pretty long.

It's between two cross streets.

Between two cross street. Thank you.

I do have one question for you, though.

Yeah. Sure.

Oscar Piastri or Landon Norris?

Oscar Piastri.

Well, because you're good. We weren't in the McLaren.

Thank you. I got it.

You all have a favorite driver?

Yeah.

So which one do you like? Norris or Pia Stree? First. Pia Stree? Okay.

Alright. So we do have another, public comment for this item. Welcome. And then if I just, so during public for the public to voice their questions, concerns, and provide their comments. And then we can ask our follow-up to be can happen afterwards. So we'll let the public speak for the three minutes, and then it'll come back to the commission for commissioner comments after that.

Sorry.

Yeah. So just a comment for the the public safety commission is the block leader program, actually, you can call I I had called the neighborhood watch. You can schedule neighborhood watch for using block leader program. Also, you can schedule emergency preparedness. Also, you can schedule sustainability and converting of green stuff. So all the three is available, actually, to block leader for one for the block party or the way to whether you have. The second thing I just wanted to ask was, is there a map to show where the flat

or the?

Is there a is

it a?

I feel like I

believe that's available on the city website. Sorry? I believe that's available on the city website. Yeah. We can check. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. You can continue with your questions, and then we can come back after. Okay.

That's a one question. Question number two is

so there

are two types of camera when I talk when you talk, I stopped. One is the plate reader, and the other is there is one more type of camera, which is on the in the city already. All all we are talking about is.

Okay.

We're Sonali, are you sorry. Sonali, are you yielding the rest of your time?

No. Okay. And so I have

one more

comment. When chair Nirmal, he was asking actually about so we would like to know how we can help. So there are two parts to the public safety, especially when it's considered residential burglary or even grand theft for Mhmm. Because some of them can be prevented, like, you don't lie have your bicycle lying around. You have it in the garage. Right?

Mhmm.

But so one is the prevention part where residents can do it, but then the other part is solving the crimes. Right? And, always, I want the vibe from lot of people. It's not just me. That it's very it's next to impossible to solve this crisis. And I would like to know why. So I would like to know the follow-up of the crime. So I so I was actually about to wait till the your update report. Because if I come to next time to the commission, I would like to see in in 2025, if there are 20 burglaries that happened, what happened after that?

Mhmm.

Right? So I would like to see an update to know, like, okay, 10 of them had this thing happened. 20 of them, this thing happened. You know? Something like that. So just like because I'm a software engineer, I do when when I do project, I have milestones. Right? So milestone one is you talk to the business. Something like that. So you have a milestone saying, okay. The report was fine. Mhmm. Then, okay, I spent, say, twenty hours on investigation.

Mhmm.

Then I said, spend some more time on this. So something like buckets like that, I would like to see so that the people around me and the city people will actually be aware, and that's what I think I talked to you last time also. Like, what is going on? Because if we don't get any communication back, we don't even know what is going on with our case. And then we also very frustratedly give up.

Right? So now that is the end of your time. You have any questions?

No. I think we discussed enough. A lot of this, I am hoping that the next topics we can discuss them about the any single topics from the.

That was oral communications

I think

we for this topic? Okay.

Okay. So the next item is this is a new business. This is a the subject is is basically the public discussion on a proposal to combat public safety concerns such as the infant state, but that we've talked a lot here. And then, also so discuss propose a lot of you know, on this, and then, potentially, we see that how we can form a subcommittee because this meeting happens pretty infrequently given that public, you know, safety concerns we have. And that committee, you know, can be a with a with a subset of this commission and as a resident from the city.

And if we can form a committee and they can go and discuss some of these things and and gather some of this data and also, you know, give us some potential suggestion that what are the ways that we can improve, you know, some of the, you know, clients and as well as how can help also. They can give some recommendation. So that's the next topic. And, yeah, so I I welcome a discussion here on that topic. So discussed, you know, bunch of topics on bunch of areas of this already today.

With that in mind, I will, you know, say that if we can form a commission. And I I want to propose a commission, you know, for this, you know, a subcommittee for this for this commission to assist us so that we can so we can gather more information and they can assist us in this one.

And through the chair, I I don't wanna limit conversation. I just wanted to let you all know, you had a hard stop time of 08:45?

Yes. Yeah.

Alright. So just so that we're all aware. Okay.

I gotta be at the cabin every morning.

So Okay.

I I think we should we will do that by that time. Cool. So so, yeah, so that is the topic right now. So we can have a first, we want to have a first some suggestion on the discussion before we propose our meetings. So anybody has any comment on this in the commission that creating a subcommittee and to address all the things that we want, we do not take action item last time. I said that as a part of the subcommittee, we can investigate it further and get those data. So what is the in your submission opinion? Or

I I guess so is the is is the concept of a subcommittee, like, is that, like, a vehicle that can be used to, like, meet more frequently? Is that the

Meet more frequently, and they can go and deep into let's say, you want to understand some process that how this reporting happens to you. When the time happened, the progression, why it is not happening, and how that can be done better. What is the case? Know? Right. And specifically, what happens to the cases? Right. Then if you want to do things like that, let's say, last week, the interview, but we discussed this that everything about every home right now virtually has camera. I know. But but, literally, like, you know, when a crime happened in opposite to our home that day, I shared it to my home.

My camera was off with schedule. So towards the facing street. So we were saying that instead of this $15,000 camera that the the the best is best reader, how we can have it connected neighborhood and other kind of, you know, in the neighborhood, we can say that, okay. Each one should know that, you know, piece of camera on the facing the street and the other house, and then that way, if they feel comfortable, right, and we can reach out to them. How we can use the more technology? So many, many other things can be part of this, and this subcommittee can, you know, branch out and find this information made more frequently Right. And give some recommendation.

Right. Or yeah. I I guess, like, I was wondering, like so so then, I guess, the main issue is that, like, that that we all recognize with, like, the commission, like, infrequent meetings, that kind of thing, is, like, it's very different probably than what we're used to when it comes to, like, doing things and fulfilling tasks and, like, outside of commission. So so, like, I'm just curious, like, is the subcommittee model, like, something that allows like, is it privy to, like, Brown Act, for example? I guess, like, how does that work? Because, like, I think I guess that's the main kind of

I I can take a

shot at that. Just having

been on the committee subcommittee there before and as well on the commission. Correct. So as long as you don't have three commissioners

Okay.

Under any circumstance on that subfilter.

Mhmm.

We have two commissioners. There is no Brown Act.

It's just seems

but right now, we're only four.

But they're not doesn't matter.

No. It doesn't matter. Share, if I may, just clarify for everyone. Yeah. So for the Brown Act, the subcommittee falls under a temporary advisory committee.

Yes. It

is composed solely of less than a quorum. So that would mean two commissioners within your own advisory body. So that would mean the public safety commission. That serves a limited or single purpose that is not perpetual, and that will be dissolved once its specific task is completed. It's not subject to the Brown Act.

So the subcommittee, I believe, that chair Doss is proposing is that the subcommittee would go out into the community, serve its purpose to talk to residents, the community members, gather that input and feedback, and bring those updates back to the commission. And then at the end of that and I think chair Das, if I recall correctly, we're hoping that this subcommittee would be, I believe, for roughly three months. Yes. And so it is it is limited in time. And so following the end of that subcommittee time of of which the research is being done, the commission the subcommittee would then come to commission and present their findings and provide recommendations, to city staff as well as, the county.

That that meeting and just regulations around it. But it is for a sole purpose and time in order to not fall within the ground. Okay. Got it.

Yeah.

So so that means they can go and meet more frequently and Right. Yeah. Any comments in

Yeah. I would just have a question again about the subcommittee. And that is that when we had previous subcommittees, it was really just a staff person and commissioners. We can we involve residents into the subcommittee?

So the residents wouldn't be formally part of the subcommittee. They're essentially the subcommittee's purpose is to go out into the community and talk to the residents about, you know, whatever it is that the that that you guys end up deciding today is your purpose for that subcommittee. So the residents aren't technically formally a part of your subcommittee because the subcommittee itself is the two commissioners who are part of the advisory body. But it doesn't limit you going out into the public, talking to the residents, and gathering that input and feedback. You are then bringing it back to your commission. But they're not just they're not formally part of your subcommittee. So you're not you know, you wouldn't motion today to form a subcommittee with residents on your subcommittee. I was just going out and talking to the residents.

Yeah. I mean, ideally, like, you know, for, you know, Oh,

it's not public comment yet.

Public comment is not public. You can grab a contact, though, if you would like to speak on it when she's.

I I remember. So so are we

like, do you have some the goal, the specific objective? Yes.

I think I think, you know, I I think the this is why I said something, like, when we read it out, the some suggestion on this committee or this potential.

Yes. So the subcommittee that Tier DOS is proposing is to collect input and understand current limitations and challenges in enforcement slash resolution of issues and proposals from the community to combat public safety concerns such as theft, burglaries, vandalism, threats, etcetera. The outcome that the subcommittee is hoping to achieve is to recommend proposals to combat public safety concerns such as theft, burglaries, vandalism, threats, etcetera, specifically by leveraging technologies and other resident focused programs that we have. And the estimated time frame is three months.

So just to quickly summarize bullet points, it's one, we want to go and figure out if there's any technology that would help. Two, we want to pull the residents to see if, you know, what other ideas? Is it increasing the budget? Is it something else? Is it something else? And figure out ideas. So one from a technology perspective and just one from an open you know, what do you think? No.

Open open is first one is the receipt gathering the information because we are clearly I think that there is a missing part here. For example, today's, you know, when or Shelley presented. Right? The data looks good way to before is data. Right? There's a deeper green in reverse. Right? But but we know that our personality also, we

know on

many situations that are from the and the incidents that happened, we're not feeling that safe. Right? I'm living for a long time right now, and and I feel that five years ago or ten years ago, then right now, I feel a little bit unsettling for whatever reason. Right? Now the somehow these data is not matching. Mhmm. So I think it will be good to understand that this the cases, basically, that what exactly happens to that case is maybe, you know, this part of more complication to the residents will help understand that where is the limitation. If this is all green, then why we are being answered? Can we understand deeper into it? Right?

That's the understand that that understand the data and work with Sheriff Sheriff's office also, like, more closely and getting the data out of that. Right?

So will the subcommittee have get enough time from sheriff's office?

Yes. I I think I I wanted to request that if, you know, maybe there are two two commissioners from the public safety commission

Mhmm.

Can be in that subcommittee and Sheriff's office. You know? Sheriff can partner with Sheriff will be part of that, and they will reach out to some of the public who has experience. For example, you know, or, they all have very, very experienced. He's in the, you know, technology commission.

You know, surely he's reacting to that. Mark has, like, so much experience in us, you know, in the this commission earlier. So I think gathering this, you know, their solution and and involving them into this the and we've made. And the second part is after the gather of the data, second part, I wanted to reach that what we can do to a little bit better and help the Sheriff's office. For example, right, you know, any any other technology, you know, solution that we can do or any other limitation.

Like, for example, said he's going to give us the information that, you know, do they feel that is there any room for opportunity? Are those room improvement opportunities? Where? And how? And and that data, if we can get out and get it to the commission, then we can instrument. We can go to council, and we can advocate for that those changes. Right? And that is the second part of it. And the other aspect is basically, I think, is one of the data collection. Other is the, you know, getting the recommendation.

And the other aspect, I believe I had some complication with the the city manager on this one. It was discussed last meeting also that we want to give a deep dive. Data validation, for example, Some of the case study happened preliminary case study happened, what exactly happened there. So when I interacted on that with the city manager's office and the responses finally came down, digging through this data and its time, you know, and that time was also available, you know, from the Sheriff's office to staff enough staff in there. So that's the limitation.

So then that limitation should come out. The Sheriff's office doesn't need more budget. Right? And where is why that data validation is a challenge to understand to be more one level, you know, deeper into it. So that is the scope of this committee. Another part is that we discussed on this one also earlier. For example, you know, right now, what I understand that forty two thousand hours of budget that gets paid by the city for sheriff's office, you know, that the budget gets allocated. Something like that. Right? Martha, forty two thousand because the number was quoted by Pamela, who I think last meeting. But I don't know how in

front of

of, but but I I remember that number. I think forty two thousand or something like that. Right? Now so that budget, right, the distribution of that time and the budget, you know you know, which area going how much time, you know, that budget is going and the enforcement is going. Right? Maybe you just take a look on that data and work with Sherif's office, see that any allocation, reallocation, any adjustment is needed on that. Any tuning is needed. You know, any solution that, you know, that can come out of it. Right? That can be a recommendation. So those datas are not supported of this break up coming right now. So I'm hoping that, you know, with this upcoming, we'll study these areas and and come up with the data.

I I I like the idea, but I don't know how we do what what I was never part of the subcommittee.

I was never part of the subcommittee. I think, you know, You you were there. So I think there are other people. I think Martha and Jessica can help us guide us. I think, you know, we

So but there is a lot of I mean, this is this is a great idea, and I'm not by any chance saying we should not have the subcommittee. My question is if we can have more simplified my my recommendation would be Yeah. That we have one goal or two goals in the max. Like, we might have to have this type of subcommittee more often. More often.

More often.

Yeah. Which is So we can

start with Yeah. You know, let's take let's pick up break up this big pie.

Yeah. And then

Let's just start with, let's say

You have two goals. Yeah.

Right now, the budget is whatever it is for your information. Let's just take the 42 k as the budget for which we get x number of hours of patrolling from the from the sheriff's office

Mhmm.

Is if we can analyze where that patrolling is being done Mhmm. Is that, you know, we do need people to go by the schools and make sure that the kids are safe. Mhmm. You know, which is a crazy drivers. We all know that.

Yep.

So then there is the other part that after that, how much money is being spent on actually patrolling the city.

Mhmm.

So if we can, you know, start with something Yeah. Something there because three months goes by pretty quickly. Yeah. We have to get

We should be

resources from the sheriff's department as well. So that's one. Then the second thing we can look at is, okay. Let's take of all the cases, like, recent cases, how much further have we progressed as far as? Indeed, it hasn't progressed because it is difficult. And

Mhmm.

You know? But there was a case where they got hold of one gang of leads, and then they recovered a whole bunch of property from them. The and I think it was in the general area. And then we can start from a recommendations perspective of saying, okay. Where is the data for what was the data before the LPRs were installed Mhmm. To in a given city

Mhmm.

Or given, you know, whatever number of cities we wanna take and say where where are we now

Mhmm.

You know, over a three month period or six months period just so that all of the three things that you mentioned, we're gonna have a smaller goal within that. Otherwise Yeah.

I'm telling you, okay. Just take let's prioritize one or two goal from here, and just keep that goal right now.

Yes. Correct.

And then and then you can go from it. Go ahead. Yeah.

Go for it. I think I think maybe, like, I think one, like, very specific goal that I think like, a single goal that I think we can maybe make subcommittee focused on is, like, deeply understanding, like, what the bottlenecks are slash needs are at, like, the sheriff's office level. Like, just that. Like, I have a sense that if it kind of like broadens to like other things, like also trying to find the solutions and stuff Mhmm. Then it then it then the first thing is not gonna be investigated correctly.

Mhmm. So like, for instance, just like a teaser. I think we got like a teaser of it in the sense of the like, there's maybe not enough resources or not enough, like, man hours to do investigations as well as

Take the report. Yeah. We're gonna do the

of focus on the follow-up stuff, which is equally important to, like, the feeling of safety. Right? So that that's just a teaser. Right? Like, we got a sense of that, right, from what we heard. So that, I think, is the thread that we need to pull on and, like, deeply figure out, like, what other, like, of these kind of core bottlenecks there are just simply that the sheriff's office is facing. Right? And, like, we'll have to speak with them and understand, like, what their needs are, do ride alongs, like, figure out what exactly is, like, the daily experience. Just deep dive on that. And then, like, utilize the subcommittee as, like, a mechanism to do that fast.

Right? Just that one. And then, like, we come back, and then we have, like, a true listing of those needs bottlenecks, that's a win. Like, we don't need to do two and three for it to be a win. Like, just do that one thing really well, then we'll be in an actual productive position to, like,

then come up with ideas.

And and that's the point that in the finding the bottleneck, then automatically bring some of this in the discussion thing.

Of the recommendations will fall out or

Well, even if not recommendation, what I'm saying is the understanding the data, allocation of the budget, this is all come with the discussion of that

Yeah. Of that.

That. Deeply understanding the Yeah. Where is the alternate. I think I think that's yeah. If we keep that goal and then underneath that, all these things will be discussed anyway. Exactly.

Right?

Like, they're all connected, and then this is not

Yeah. Like, I think the focusing on, like, one thing will do us a lot of good because otherwise, it will just be kind of like

Put it back in different hands. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we don't want to dilute.

Right.

I mean, like, I I see in my regular work, they call it uncompromised call. But we want to kill one call, but that's it.

Yeah. Let's do that. And then after that, we can based on that data, our understanding would be probably better. And based on that, we can make more, you know, collective discussion on that point of time for the next steps. Right? What are the recommendations? Sorry.

Point out clarification or through the chair, if I may. So it sounded like the subcommittee purpose or goal is kind of morphing into something, I believe, different than kind of what you had proposed. From what I understand, I think you guys are hoping to form a subcommittee that wouldn't require, like, resources from the sheriff's office. Correct? Like like, you you would want to gather information from the sheriff's office, not necessarily residents. Correct?

Oh, this is the thing that this is this is falls into the first point that I see, the collection of the data. This is basically the first thing. What's, you know, what's what's the design? We

can't do anything without the data.

Data. So that this is actually the first point that I say, understanding the collection of the data. That is the part we are keeping right now. And or I guess, like, the sub understand the problem, basically. So I

guess the next step for that would be, you know, what would it take to get some kind of time from the sheriff's office in order to participate in the subcommittee? Because without your data Yeah. 10 of us can gather together. It doesn't matter.

It would just depend on what kind of data you're looking for. I mean, I know the looking at the city budget, I know there it is budgeted by, like, traffic, school resource officers, and regular patrol. Mhmm. So, I mean, that would give you the data as far as, like, how much is allotted to each one of those. Mhmm. As far as, like, how many hours are spent in patrol, that would probably be data, like, would be a little bit tougher to to glean just because that one, would get back to you, Don. I don't know if we'd be able to do that, just basically straight patrol hours, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess, like, if I may, like, I think so I guess to summarize, like, I think the subcommittees and correct me, like, if I'm wrong. Like, I think the subcommittee's purpose is to deeply understand, like, what the sheriff's office feel are, like, bottlenecks. Because ultimately, the public safety concerns are, like, downstream of that. Right?

Whether it's, like, follow ups or etcetera. So in order to figure out that, like, I think it actually isn't just, like, numerical data that we get back. I think it also involves, like, members of the subcommittee, like, doing things like bite alongs and, like, speaking with actual officers because that's the only way, like, I think truly we're gonna, you know, anic there's like a phrase like, anic data. Right? Like, I think anic data is actually what we need because that's how we actually get at the, I guess, the emotional True.

True. Really. So the exactly that. So so there's a perception, and then there's the reality.

There's the reality.

Right? The reality seems to be that it's going down. But somebody who has their home burglarized, that is not a reality for them. Their reality is their home was burglarized. It doesn't matter what the stats. Their home has been burglarized. They go into their home. Their kids go

into their home. They're gonna be

uncomfortable going in. They're not safe anymore. It doesn't matter what the stats say. So our concern is that how do we get that feeling of safety back into the people? And in order to do that, yes, we might have to do a b c.

And one of the things you're suggesting is, you know, ride alongs. Now that is a legal aspect to ride along because, you know, as a c as a citizen, we're risking the the sheriff's office. We're risking ourselves because we don't know what situation that would be. So regardless, I mean, some of that data that we have to perceive, we have to look at is something that yes. Interviewing these different different people from the from the sheriff's office to understand what they do, that's a very good idea. That can be looked at. But specifically, what else we can do? It's something we have to Yeah. I wouldn't go so far as riding because that's a whole Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

The tariff can comment better on that.

But

Well, anybody can go out of riding along. I mean,

any Okay.

Time any anybody if you whether you're applying, whether you're just a person in the community, anybody can do it. I mean, you just you just have to pass a very, like, minimal background check to make sure you're not, like, a bad guy that's trying to hurt us while we're out there and about. But, I mean, I did plenty of ride alongs as a deputy with people, and it was anybody from who was applying to a district attorney to a just person who wants to see what we do. Okay. And what if I had the understanding, and I think most people do, is if it's a say, a situation comes up where it's gonna be, like, I don't know if I can protect you. It's like, hey, I always had to understand, like, if I get one of those calls, I'm a drop you off in a public place, and I'll come back. Like, I because I just can't

Wish you alone for the ride. Yeah.

But part of the paperwork is I kinda waive liability, but I just wanna do it one step further by not having to put that person. And I would tell people just wait in the car. Hey. Wait in the car until I tell you it's okay to come out.

So so

so I I it's a great discussion, but I'm thinking maybe we should give enough time for the Sherik's office to cup give us some of the data before we collaborate with them to find those pain points or the what are the areas of, like, to gather the additional data. So, like, we discussed maybe what are the areas of improvement. But they they they think that, okay, like, adding this many patrols, extra patrols Mhmm. They'll bring down the crime rate. Let's say, that is one of the recommendation comes from the sheriff's office.

Like, that let's get the data first. Right? And then we can frame the uncompromised goal for the subcommittee that based on what we receive. Right now, if we're forming goal and we don't know how we are going to cooperate with the sheriff's office, I think it may dilute, in my opinion.

Yeah. I think I think one of the thing is that that finding that data like, for example, a couple of data that we talked about. Right? One is basically the the allocation of the time and the resources. That is one part of the data.

Second part of the data is the the crime when it happened, how the case is getting handled, that the case is getting complicated so that the passage number we arrange with this matches or not. This is the second part of the data. And the third part of the data is the the Sheriff's office idea that one of the Sheriff's office is thinking that's gonna have an improvement possibility where we can help, you know, to to to improve better. Right? So these three aspects.

Right? I believe that if these three aspects is basically data collection. Now today, if you look at the data collection also, little bit slow in the process point of view. And and we feel that and I feel that, like, some committee will not be part of this brown hat. It will be a smaller, you know, set up. No. They can really complicate and faster response they can get, faster data binding can happen. And I think that kind of will frame basically what she is saying that deeply understanding that what is needed, basically, understanding that. I think, you just repeating that. Then by that time, our next meeting in two months, right, within three months, we get in pull up this thing, and then we can get this data and to be more effective meeting.

Through the chat. So the first part of the data that you mentioned, the allocation of costs and of hours, that is included in the sheriff's office budget as proposed costs. That is a public document, and that particular appendix to the contract was sent out to the commission members after the last commission meeting.

It is the the location of the the

Of the source. Yeah.

The how how often location?

Mhmm. Yes.

Yeah. Like I said before, like, it breaks down traffic, school resource officers, just regular control. It breaks it down that way.

Right. So so I think I like your point, miss Chaitanya. I think you you I think it's a very right on track. Maybe I think the first phase of that subcommittee should be what did the city staff to understand that existing data service. Maybe already there is data in some places, in city website, shared website, awesome contract. Right? So let's get all the data. Right now, like, when when we meet, we are not I mean, sometimes, I don't know all the data. Right? Like, when when somebody was a resident asking for a letter here, Matt, I know that I saw I've seen that, but I I don't have immediate input.

Maybe this is the staff test that Martha may be having, but maybe the subcommittee first step. Right? We define the uncompromised goal, and the first step should be working with the city staff to further refine what is the areas, like, what are their action items, like, 10 action items, and with the with the goal that they should give an update in the two months

from now on. Yeah. But that that was the whole idea that the subcommittee can basically What cost? Some of this data validation and discussion of this data also going on faster.

Faster.

Because right now, for example, this meeting happens every two months, and it's very, you know, difficult to, you get this program and getting this data. Right? So I think it it can be you know, they can communicate about other understand and

that data. So does city staff tell you the time for the subcommittee?

So subcommittees do work independently from commission meetings as well as city staff operations. So they will they should require minimal staff time.

Let's say Yes. But they do participate. So there is a certain level of commitment that we expect from the city staff

Oh, right.

Right.

At least from my previous activities that I've had where we I was on the Parks and Rec Commission, as you know, and we used to have our director actually directly participate in this. And she did have a certain not significant, but enough time that she was able to participate. This was before Rochelle Sanders, lady.

I I would need to follow-up with Rochelle after the meeting to see if this is possible. As And you know, with emergency management department, we are short. It's just smart tech, and we have one part timer. So it is very limited staff currently. So I would need to follow-up and get back to you.

But you you guys reported to Rochelle, or you guys reported to the city manager?

To Rochelle. So the office of emergency management, emergency services is now under parks and reclamation.

Interesting. Yeah. I think, like, in this matter, like, it's even possible, I think like, it would be possible theoretically even, like, in a capacity as, like, a public citizen to, like, get this information that we're looking for. So I think the purpose of the subcommittee or, like, what the subcommittee should do is, like, actively do the kinds of, like, information gathering that would actually otherwise be difficult. So, like, for example, when it comes to, like, data and, like, budget, those are things that are actually it it is easy to actually get that information.

Right? Like, we get the reports from the office. We can see the budget document online. But the things that are actually, like, difficult to get, I think, are the things that the subcommittee needs to, like, prioritize. Like, I keep saying ride alongs, but the reason I I keep saying that is because I generally think, like, there's no substitute for hearing it, like, straight from, like, the officers' mouths. Like, to understand, like, what they actually go through and work backwards from there. Because that, I think, is, like, actually what we're trying to do. Right? Because, like, ultimately, our goal is presumably to make some kind of, like, policy or idea prescription to counsel and presumably, like Okay. Talk about that to the public.

But for us to get there, we need to tap into, like, some sort of deeper source of information or truth. And the only way we can do that is by, like, just diving in head first and, like, going to these kind of, like, asymmetric, like, data sources. Right? Whether it's a ride alongs or going to the sheriff's office and talking to captain Valensway, like, understanding what his needs are, that kind of thing. And I think that should actually be the singular purpose of a subcommittee.

Because if we can accomplish that one thing correctly, then it actually puts us at least on the path to eventually making good policy prescription. Whereas if we're, you know, like, if we're kind of Yeah. Thinking about different things and also trying to come up with solutions on the fly, like, then we're not actually making that progress. Right? I think that's I think so I guess, TLDR is, like, subcommittee's focus should simply be figuring out the problems directly from the sheriff's office. I think that should be, like, the simple goal.

So I'll make a compromise kind of suggestion. Uh-huh. Okay. So we can request maybe you can take this back to Rochelle. If you if we can request maybe about five to eight hours from the city

Staff.

Staff over the period of

Three months.

Three months, where we request information, we would like to get that information within a day or two kind of if it is possible. We we like we don't want you to say, if we ask a question, we hear one month later. That's not gonna be useful for us. So we have to have some kind of a Escalade. Some reasonable answer, you know, some reasonable thing. So we'll get about a few hours. Will put into plan. Like, we will spend some time with the sheriff's department so we can get real information. Again, we will limit how much because, again, it's their time. Right? If that's outside of what they're already doing or if we can, you know, like to say, ride along. I can't imagine. But

I mean, it's quite fun. I I think Yeah.

Maybe I'll try it. I don't know. But the bottom line is if we can combine those two and start with the simple goal of what is the data that we are missing.

Yeah. And maybe maybe we should we should talk on that also. Understanding that you are saying underneath, basically, what are the data? We stopped three data. And then we say that, okay. Let's focus on that and and then on the on that.

Sound like a plan?

Yeah. Because we wanted to take action. Can take a bunch of stuff. Right? Mhmm. So we can just focus on some of those data, right, at this point. Now because the whole discussion started, my understanding is that, okay, there are, you know, some of the crimes happened and times are happening, and we are not feeling safe. Right. Not so now from that point of view, what actions is being taken on that to understand the deeply that process that you were saying, right, to understand that process. Right? Maybe that's one aspect. Second aspect is the budget and the time allocation. That's okay. Yes. You know, I I saw the report that was that was saying, but the thing is, in that report, having an understanding and discussion that based on this, you know, the strategy that we have seen here Mhmm.

That that that that the time and the effectiveness of that, basically, is it matching or not, basically? That the time we are spending on this bucket versus this bucket, and what is the output we are getting? Studying their data and discussion on that. So that topic itself will be Yeah.

Exactly. So if you take, like, you know, ten years ago, what was the budget? Yeah. To now, what is the budget?

And and and the and the third part is basically, you know, getting from office, basically, what they are thinking the improvement opportunity there. All we are all good with the improvement They move further action. Further action. What they feel what is that sentiment, that also part of it that what he's saying. Mhmm. When you go to ride around, you will get to see first time what is going on there. Right? What is the experience there? Like, so we want to hear from what help they need. For example, I'm not personally happy that the 15 camera is still not installed yet.

We don't have the data, and this is going on for one year? Yes. At least One year is basically a start up gets in Silicon Valley established. They they deliver for that. They sell sell their company, 300 company. And the 15 camera installation, I don't understand where is the bottleneck. Yeah. So that is also deeply understanding why things are so slow. So that's understanding that also will be good. Maybe these three things we can keep as a part of the first part. I think that will answer some of the questions that we're gonna get. Right?

Yeah. I still think, like, I still think it's important to only focus on one thing. Like, even though all three things, like, sound great

and so just can you repeat back what you think are the three things and then which is the one thing that you want to?

Yeah. So I think I think the one thing that the subcommittee should focus on is simply figuring out what the sheriff's department needs, like, their top top 10 needs are.

Okay.

That's it. Like, if we can profoundly accomplish that goal beyond what, like, say, public citizen could discover Mhmm. I think that that's

and what Sherif's needs, that was my third point, actually. That that I understood it from them that pinpoint Yeah. And what they think they implement opportunity Yeah. That's what the Sherif's need. That was my Yeah. Point. So you are saying make that as a similar point? Yeah. Now, how do we get that data? What is the risk that is work?

Right. So I think that would be, like, part of the subcommittee. This is this is a

little this little little bit subjective. Right? The the what the lead means now, there are gonna be five things underneath. Right? Sure. So that's something we have to now go in the more specific. So you are saying, let's keep it a little bit broad here what they need, and then we'll discuss with Sherry So as well as we also being a part of the discussion.

Yeah. So, like, I think just, like, maybe, like, like, riffing. Like, I it's possible that at the end of that investigation, right, like, the results that we have might not even be in the form of hard numbers. It'll be like anecdotes. It'll be like yeah. It'll be like like like, oh, like, I wish I had x. Or like, I wish we did a better job of, you know, advertising the academy to, like, high school image. Right? Like, just like random anecdotes. Right? So, like, that even though it is, like, subjective and maybe one officer said it, other officers didn't, officers didn't, that in in and of itself is still a valuable truth. Right?

I I I I can see what what you are saying here is that you you actually, you are keeping it a single one statement, what should it surface to me, but it's a little more abstract. And underneath, there are a lot of things we can discuss. So one way that is I like it one way that way. Uh-huh. It is we're keeping that scope broad instead of that going to one specific report or one specific angle of the data. Yeah. It may not be might Yeah. We ourselves don't know. We I was there will be one thing used to another. I think

So in in regards to that, should we make the time frame shorter? So don't wait three months to figure out what

it is

we need. Two months. But come back before the next

Before the next meeting.

By the next meeting that says, here's what they found out. Maybe it isn't anything much. Maybe it is something.

Yeah. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. Sure.

And if needed, we can do more again, you know, another study, we can do something like that. It's more of a study, conversation, understanding this more, and keeping it broad is not bad idea. And we just can put some one statement. It's a what should his office be? And underneath that, we can point this course. You know, we can discuss it.

If I could just put my 2¢ in Sure. Real real quick, and I'll try to make it short. Yeah. I know we're almost

We have lots. I keep looking at my time.

So this is this is my perspective is is that if you ask a bunch of cops what they need, like, first thing is gonna be like, well, more cops. Like, that's gonna be the number one. Right? And that's kind of, like, out of both of our hands. Right? Like, that's like, bigger decisions for the county as far as, like, staffing. So that and if you don't know, public servers in general is across the board is having staffing issues

Right.

Stemming from the pandemic, the civil unrest, and that kind stuff. Just a lot of guy a lot of good candidates don't wanna be cops anymore just because they'd rather go to different fields where they're not having so you have that bad stigma of being a police officer. It's slowly swinging the other way, and we're seeing our numbers go up a little bit, but definitely not the numbers when I first started, where thousands of people applied for very small limited spots. That's why I came from Sacramento down here because the jobs were more plentiful down here rather than my area. But two, I do believe that public safety is a team sport.

So I think there is value getting the community involved and, like, seeing what they need from us as well. Because if you have never read it, the twenty fifteen commission on, community policing by Barack Obama's task force. It's a bunch of pillars about community policing and by what they suggested working with the community to help out. And that was part of it is kinda partnering with communities to see what they need from their police departments in order to move forward. So I believe there is value there. I mean, of course, the hot topics would be like, well, we need to stop burglaries. Okay. But, like, we need a deep dive into that. Like, how do you think we can do it? Like, how would you need to see from the sheriff's office?

For instance, at the coffee with the mayor, she pretty much hit, like, every one of my bullet points on preventing burglaries, and I was a little dumbfounded of, like, of suggestions. Like, when you're hitting a mall, like, I don't know what to tell you. But having maybe a little bit more conversations with the community, we can maybe come up with some, maybe, solution. Now I would love to have a supercomputer, like, on CSI where I could just throw, like, stuff into it, and it pops out. Like, who my suspect is within twenty minutes. But that's just not feasible and not possible in this day and age. Maybe twenty years from now, maybe. But I think getting the community involved will help out us, kinda

Yeah.

Make up some more solutions to that. Because we just get the one perspective from the sheriff's office. The sheriff's office is gonna have a full global picture of it. It's just gonna basically, like, what tools or stuff that we think we know, but not necessarily that's gonna benefit the community as well. That's my

I totally agree. The the second point that you said, community involvement, we touched up on that multiple times today through block leader program Yeah. Understanding that more or never watch program Yeah. How we can reach out better. So you are also saying the same line. Right? I think as a part of that, what, you know, service office need. Maybe with that, we can come up a complete recommendation. Maybe you need to leverage these programs more effective way. And what is that, basically? What is that pinpoint? How we can do effectively more these programs can be able to accommodate the job can happen more. So I think we are all aligning since

Yeah. Me. And I'm just saying with the with the community input, they might bring a different perspective where it's just like, hey, like, we're noticing this. Yeah. And then us as a sheriff's office can be like, oh, okay. Like, I saw a tool or I saw a piece of software or I saw some kind of technology that is up and coming that maybe we can explore something that that we never thought of because we didn't see that blind spot in the community or whatever it is. Yep. That make sense? So and I think that makes sense. Just have the global perspective will help out tremendously.

So in the interest of time, do you want to form this? Yes.

We've been

about the work quite a bit. We love talking here.

If we could go to public comment. Okay.

Sure. Sure. Please. Yeah. Go. Yes.

Yes. Sorry. Sure.

We will have three minutes.

Good discussion. As I said, like, public safety is a team sport. So I didn't understand your comment. Now I understand. So that is a PR suite has to work together. Okay. So beat we have to beat Red Bull this year. Okay. So on that topic, I think in the last mayor's meeting, we were talking about talking about how to form something. One proposal was because we are following a subcommittee too on public safety.

One proposal was instead of every commission to to form separate subcommittee, can we form a subcommittee with members across the commission? Multiple commissions. Can we do that? Yeah. So the answer was it is not done yet, but the city attorney was there.

And he said, like, from one commission, more than two members should not be there, but other commission can participate. So there and I wanted this this group because we are the the safety commission. I wanted this group to clarify that. Can we form instead of forming multiple every commission forming a public safety subcommittee, can we form a subcommittee with members across across the the the you know, commissions. Correct? So that will save lots of time. So one proposal is, obviously, we want you guys to to leave that subcommittee so that we don't have to form a separate subcommittee on on on on safety. Correct? Yeah. Yeah.

We already we work very well in the subcommittee. We have got a subcommittee on cyber bullying and all cyber crime. We work very closely with industry, communities, school, and and also law enforcement. So we got our, you know, our city staff is also very cooperative. They get data. They have IT guys. So they have the data warehouse. They get us data also, whatever data is available. So so if if if we form this kind of cross functional subcommittee, it will help us a lot because then the city staff from TIP commission also can help providing the data to you, which is already there in the the city data warehouse.

Oh, yeah.

So so there are lots of lots of opportunity like this. So I I was going to request, especially you, chairman.

Yeah. I'm I'm glad it's only

Consider forming that cross commission. Yeah.

Are you yielding the of your

time? Sorry. I'm Well, if the rest of

your comment.

Are you done?

I'm done. Okay.

So I think with the interest of the time, I think we are defined that goal. Right? I think we should form a subcommittee for two months and see how it is happening.

Yes.

And we can form another subcommittee. We can more with the detailed goal, but when we meet next time. Yeah. Let let's let's just proceed and let's document what is the goal, what is the what are what are the resources like she mentioned. Right? Yeah. Let's proceed.

Any other public comment? Any other? So just to, you know, to respond quickly to you by my point of view on that. I think, definitely, the technology is a probably the biggest to live or most important part will be part of the study and this thing how that can deliver it. And I truly personally want to see that someone from technology commission and probably you because we work here is also part of this.

And I don't know the process point of view that that what is the exact structure of the cross commission. But no matter whatever the process is, I think I'm hoping that today, whatever the commission is formed here or the subcommittee is formed here, they work with the technology commission. And in every discussion, they are part of it, and they engage with the because because this committee, what I heard that we can include the city limits. Right? You know? Now whether it is a cross commission or any way, we should reach out and get their help and work it out together. Process point of view. I do not know that the cross commission structure officially what it means, basically. But I like to see that if you can participate in this. Know?

And I can also say that our commission and city members are also very cooperative, and we can get it.

Perfect. Perfect. So, Martha, on this one is Jessica, is there anything the cross commission level we can form, or it has to be new commissioner from here and other superparticipants? I

would need to follow-up.

Yeah. Follow-up on that. Okay.

Yeah. So I guess we

I think let's make a decision decision. Think let's make a decision right now. So my proposal will be basically, in that case, I don't want to wait it on this anymore Yeah. Because we are waited enough. That's good purpose.