Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

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e e okay we GNA yeah okay we all ready okay I'd like to call tonight city of Covington zoning Commission meeting uh to order uh let's all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance please thank you uh roll call please Mr Boon here Mr Davidson here miss swords Mr Celestine absent Mr villery here Mr Bullock here Mr Hudson here okay I have the approval of the minutes from the last meeting Commissioners you have any comments or questions to make regarding that if not I'll entertain a

motion Mr davidon motion second second Hillary Mr bone yes Mr Davidson yes Miss swords yes Mr villery yes Mr bulock yes Mr Hudson yes okay tonight we have two uh two cases we're going to um go ahead and combine both cases but have two separate votes because the discussion will be the same so instead of dragging one out and another one we'll we should be able to cover everything but we will have two separate votes for it um I'm going to limit the speakers to uh five minutes of piece we can have a rebuttal afterwards I would like to ask that for those of you who are speaking uh either for or against um that you uh try and bring something to the table versus repeating what the first person said so I I prefer not to hear I don't like I don't like I don't like so let's try and do that same with both sides um the cases are case number one is 25- 02-01 a conditional use permit as required in appendix B comprehensive zoning code part three um the second case number two is 22-01 spr PSR request it's an approval of an application for site plan and performance standards review as required by appendix B comprehensive zoning code part three um Mr rodri you have anything to to say to start off with parking garage is a conditional

use and then because of the size of the structure you fall under the site plan approval okay uh do we have the uh petitioner here to speak please come to the podium and state your name and address for the record please yes sir good evening uh Jeff Shane of the Jony cell Law Firm PO Box 1810 in Covington and I represent St Tam Parish Hospital Service District number one and we appreciate the opportunity to be before you this evening um you guys have a clock uh apparently not good I just wanted to be mindful of uh the timeline before I start Mr chair uh the hospital uh appreciates obviously the opportunity to speak to the Planning Commission and one of the things that we hope to do is to make sure that there's no question in the room tonight whether it's from you or from the constituency that goes unanswered um I'm going to try hard to say as much as I can in five minutes but I could probably eliminate a few of the speakers that I have if I were given a few more minutes than five and would also suggest that any of the lead opposition if there are opposition speakers likewise get that amount of time I don't want an advantage by any means but I would imagine that most people have come many people have come this evening to get information and to be honest I'm not sure I can deliver it all in five minutes so we can move it to seven at this point okay well I appreciate that courtesy thank you much and if so um I'll begin um we come before you this evening uh for consideration of the proposed parking garage project on Square 1110 which is located of course at the intersection of Tyler Street and 11th Avenue just beyond

the North Tower of uh the hospital campus um it is a five level uh parking garage that includes a hell stop on the deck of the fifth level uh and also will includ include a sky bridge that will connect the parking garage uh to the North Tower uh of the hospital uh structure it will also include the relocation of North Lake Surgical Associates which are currently in that square um in the tra Hunter de marier building if you will the medical office building they will relocate uh into 8,300 square ft on the first floor of our parking garage so why why does St dein Parish Hospital wish to place a parking garage with a hell stop and with a surgical um offices at this location it's a result of years of study and a result of studying not only the needs of the hospital but some of the very practical problems that the hospital has experienced as it relates to parking as it relates to safe parking as it relates to the hell stop and the amount of time uh it takes to get a patient from the helicopter to the emergency room to Radiology uh to wherever they might be going uh it is also uh a result of safety concerns as it relates to where the H stop is currently located so as we studied the problems at hand we came to the conclusion that we could provide more parking approximately 403 parking spaces we could provide safe parking by mandating that all those that park in the garage would enter the hospital

campus via the skybridge at the third level we realized that we could still maintain having a North Lake surgical in that square on site but in a covered area where patients doctors uh the employees in that particular Mo would all be parked in that facility and also we would have the opportunity to have uh the hell stop on the roof which would not conflict as it currently does with Landings at grade level in the parking lot where you have to deal potentially with vehicles that are in the area albe it parked or vehicles that are moving pedestrians in the area and almost twice as long a run from the helicopter to the critical service area in the hospital we will cut that distance in half by relocating the H stop at the fifth level of the parking garage uh I have some experts with me this evening uh from Metro Aviation Mr Tim Hooper who Hooper who is a helicopter pilot who gave us a lot of the information and background as to why it would be a good idea to do these things I have Mr Lawrence Lambert with me this evening the Tura which is a traffic consultant out of Baton Rouge who helped us plan the project and most importantly tested the ideas of whether or not additional infrastructure might be needed to support the parking garage um so as a result of our studied effort to improve parking not only in quantity but also as it relates to safety quality of parking also with regard to the hell stop shorten the period of of time from getting patients either on the helicopter to get out or off of the helicopter to get to the necessary

critical care services in our hospital we came up with this idea to construct to construct the garage I was at least I didn't dance so uh we decided to put the garage uh at that location um if I could have just a few more minutes I would like to talk about what I think is likely to be one of the more common topics in the room and that is uh does the parking garage at this location create undue safety or traffic considerations as it relates to the use of 11th Avenue in Tyler Street which is an extremely heavily traveled uh Corridor and intersection particularly at peak hours so when we started uh considering this project we went to the state because of course Tyler is a state highway and assume that they might take some jurisdiction and mandate a study as it relates to placing a parking garage at this location interestingly they did not take uh jurisdiction did not require any form of study and there are no permits or approvals that are needed from them nor will there be any change to the timing of the light or relocation of the lighting structure at that location we likewise went to the city and consulted with them in advance of filing because we believe that the code might require a traffic study in connection with a parking garage and the city believed that if the state had not mandated a need for a parking study the city would not need one as well despite those uh decisions the Board of Commissioners of the hospital and the executive team felt it was incumbent upon them that if they were going to build a garage at this location and spend a significant amount of money we needed good hard answers from a

professional consultant as to what mitigation if any would be needed from a traffic perspective and that's where Mr Lambert and Vector came in and to cut to the chase you have one minute thank you to cut to the chase his report concluded that the impact of the parking garage would be negligible in the corridor and that there was no need for further mitigation be it right turn Lanes on 11th Avenue eastbound or Westbound and in particular it was because of the hospitals ability to control who parks in the parking garage and when so in my remaining seconds I will briefly explain to you that we understand that once the garage is built we'll have to see what actual practice produces but it could be that many of the cars in the garage will be our 7 a.m. to 700 p.m. colleagues employees staff that actually will be parking between 6:30 and A4 7 in the morning and leaving at 7:15 or 7:30 in the evening what does that mean they're arriving before Peak and they're leaving after Peak your your time I appreciate the opportunity and did I hear that we might have to rebuttal later yes but right now presenting your case like that we have questions from the commissioner to relate to you first before you sit and the next person comes to speak if I could then maybe we could have Miss Milton come behind me she has filled out a card yeah I've have that we'll get to yeah we're g to get to that next commissioner do you have any questions right now I have a couple of questions um I'm wondering first of all I I think the hospital needs a parking garage um I think that U you know it's no longer a little small community hospital it's a it's a big facility um I'm not sure I at

this location but I do think they need one as far as the um the Hort why couldn't It Go on top of the emergency room good question uh one that I asked about six months ago um structurally of course uh the emergency room uh was not constructed to but you can always change that well let me continue sure I guess with uh if if economics a no consideration it it could be change change but there are better reasons than economics quite frankly and that is is that it's not a preferable location from a safety perspective why so a hard Landing or to be more emphatic a crash of a helicopter into an emergency room would not only be a disaster for the helicopter and those in it but what have you done to the emergency room and what have you done to the hospital at that point but absolutely created a rage so it is a good thought in terms of now in urban areas we know where you don't have a choice you don't have uh perhaps the the opportunity to to land in other locations those buildings are constructed and that's a risk that's incumbent in this instance um our professional expertise um that we gathered told us that we're actually better to be on the deck of the fifth floor of a parking garage it's a perch for the helicopter to land they don't have to come down to a lower level they're not around the structure of the hospital itself per se and it avoids quite frankly a catastrophic situation so are there any other um rooftops within the existing structure that could accommodate a helicopter uh I I I doubt it I looked at my architect but I don't think any of them I mean you know like when they built the the addition it's what four Stories the new addition um is

there were there plans to go any higher than four stor well even if that is an opportunity again you pose the same risk that um again the your this teleport is only about 100 ft away from the emergency well it's a little but it's over over the right of way of the vehicles there are empty and it is above the fuel tanks it is above the generators and all the major lines in that area behind the emergency I'm not talking about put where leaving where it is I'm talking about if the hospital was built with the idea that there would be additional storage there would be enough support to be able to accommodate a Hort on some of there's a lot of square footage of four four fourth floor I don't disagree that we have a we have a lot of we have a lot of flat roof on our campus but I don't think any of it was designed um for to be a hell stop which is also a way of me saying this is one helicopter only one at a time we average about um 10 a month 10 trips a month in in or out right but but you don't know if other parts of the hospital could accommodate those I I feel confident in saying that there are no so the answer is is that the structures would not facilitate the landing and we believe that again there would be an inherent danger it seems that being able to isolate the hell stop there's a lot

of space on the south side of the hospital you know the existing parking lot as far as is that considered as yes absolutely in fact um again probably a year or so ago when I was first exposed to the project I asked those questions and so again if you go back to the problems that we tried to solve needing more parking needing more safe parking and also providing an opportunity for the hell stop one of the problems with putting a parking garage to the far south whether it's on the north side of eth or the South side of eth north side of uh you have a a long run uh for the patient uh from the hell stop Landing to the critical Services whether it's emergency room Radiology triage and eventually the operating room right now we have a distance of about 975 ft that has to be navigated through a variety of Halls doors Etc when our helicopter lands and patients get into the facility to take them to to the critical care areas that distance will be reduced to about 540 ft but more importantly we are now able to control the corridors coming off of the helistop onto the skybridge into the North Tower and going to the critical care area so impossible no desirable no it's not for the reason stated okay uh and you're putting it on top of of mov medical office building which is on the first floor right about 8,000 fet and actually the hell stop is more in the northwesterly corner of the deck to the fifth level uh so it it really has significant distance if you will

from the mo I I mean I I just really believe that it's it's needed I just think it's misplaced on the location trying to okay who whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa come on and you know I just think that there's a lot of you have a lot of property on Tyler 8th Avenue even behind it you your property goes all the way to Van be Street and I know it's low but those issues can be should be able to be worked out that might okay let me let me bring this back let me bring this back into just the let's leave it to what's being presented can ask some questions but we're not rehashing presentation this is the presentation I would like to know who the gentleman was who stood up and and um gave us some information sure if you want I can introduce the team that's here but Keith bar is the principal architect with W he's the Chief Architect on our project I am going to say from my personal experience as an O nurse having worked at what was the time Highland Park Hospital Lake you Regional when it was a level three Trauma Center having to bring a open chest patient and all of the paraphernalia that needs to go with that patient you're talking about approximately taking up 6 to8 foot square feet of of real estate while you're moving this patient we had to take that patient down the elevator AC acoss the street and into where they had to stop the helicopters blades from turning so no one would be injured I understand everyone wants their peace and quiet

they don't want any change but you want a high quality medical facility that can take care of anything I've done hearts in the operating room for over 30 years okay not let well then okay well you know what your turn you can speak I am voicing my opinion I think that if you have the most direct route to the helipad is the most expedient way to take care of a patient who is in a critical condition Commissioners any other questions I'll defer my so we hear the comment in that case go ahead um we have someone to speak um oppose to this item uh Mr Matt Hardy you would please come to the podium state your name and address for the record please yeah thank you I'm Matt Hardy I live at 1027 West 11th Avenue here in cumington about four blocks from the hospital let me give you a bit of background on St Hy Parish Hospital Service District number one that might of use in making your decision this hospital is not a smalltime operation the 2023 audit report shows revenue of would you believe it $463 million and net cash flow from operations of over $55 million when considering other non operational gains during the year the hospital spent over $30 million to purchase Capital assets it ended the year with over $130 million in cash and cash equivalents on its balance sheet and over $288 million of investments principally in certificates of deposit US Government Federal Securities at year

end their unrestricted Surplus was in excess of$ 436 million one would expect that given the quality of management the outstanding Bond debt and so forth they probably had a similar year in 2024 those reports are not available yet in August of 24 though fit investment service rated the hospital's Bond at doua minus near the top of possible investment grades so they're doing a great job of running the hospital and they're making a lot of money and they've got a lot of liquidity these financial statements are only window into operations of the hospital their strategic planning and financial management is concealed from public view invoking executive sessions so often during their meetings that it's very difficult to know what they have in mind we don't see where they're going but we can certainly see where they've been and frankly uh in 2024 all they constructed a $75 million Outpatient Surgical facility on boot leer Road and disclosed plans to build a new Women's and Children's complex south of town as well excuse me not as well on the former nursing home site uh Forest manag the district has recently purchased the former brazwells property located across Tyler Street and essentially owns all of the Tyler Street Frontage of square 10 1110 bounded by Harrison in 12th Avenue which is the subject of this hearing no estimate has been provided of the construction cost for the proposed improvements however the hospital's Financial capacity is clearly not a limiting constraint on its development plans in any manner given their financial soundness an increase of several million dollars would not be considered significant I'm a fan of the hospital I admire their accomplishments I respect their objectives as I understand them concerning this project I previously met with Jeff and the uh

Keith Bar project architect who happens to be my first cousin uh and I've considered their responses to my concerns here are the issues I think need to be discussed in this meeting first need to improve helicopter access to the hospital frankly I agree for the most part with what Mr Shane has told I think helicopter access needs to be improved but I don't see any reason where it has to be done tomorrow this can be done with further discussion and planning I have been involved in aviation in the past I was part owner of a uh Aviation facility in Hammond so I think I know of what I speak I do have some significant questions though about this question of employee parking I cannot believe that with 300 additional parking spaces in this area we're not going to see employees move from that Down by the Riverside so to speak up into this building and while Jeff would suggest to you that the area would not be burdened with traffic in the morning I would suggest you all take a ride down 11th Avenue between 7 o'clock and 8 o' I've personally sat through four cycles of the traffic light trying to get out of there if you look at their site diagram their exits are on 12 and on Harris and if you want to go south from there that traffic must flow onto 11th Avenue and make the turn at Tyler Street now I would like to if you don't mind distribute a map to you that might be of interest may I do that sir yeah this map just shows you where the problems are at this intersection coming from other places in the city of Covington from the West we have traffic coming in from Highway 190 that detours

down menetre drive down Taylor Street and down uh other down Tyler trying to come south of C that's the blue lines on this map you'll notice that they filter off through other streets and wind up also at eth Avenue simultaneously you have the schools where parents are dropping off kids at CET Elementary at William pitcher St peters's St Paul's St Scholastic all trying to come come South and they come down Jefferson and Jane they turn on 11th and eth and they wind up where that black circle is for the most part at the corner of 11th Avenue now we're talking about adding probably 300 cars the addition to the parking that currently exists into this facility and by virtue of the way the plan is designed routing almost all of them along to 11th Avenue that needs to be addressed that is unacceptable um they've supported they supported their proposal with a traffic study frankly those of you who have ordered studies in the past know that Consultants generally try to give you the answer you're looking for now I would have felt a lot more comfortable with this study if in fact it had been ordered by the Department of Transportation paid for by the do uh the reason that they weren't queried about this why the reason do didn't get involved earlier is there were no proposed changes to the state highway on Tyler I believe that the only way you have one minute left I believe the only way for this to be acceptable is to add the right turn Lanes from both directions on 11th Avenue and for the hospital to contribute the property at the front of braswell's drugs which would otherwise be necessary to add a fourth traffic lane second traffic lane southbound at that point I think I've made the point that the hospital can certainly afford

to pay the cost of getting these improvements done whether it's 1 million or2 million or $3 million frankly it's a drop in the bucket with respect to their financial position and my suggestion is that there is nothing in the helicopter operations or anything else that mandates this be done immediately there's no reason in the world that this cannot go back to the Department of Highways get a further study done determine whether in fact adding those traffic Lanes would materially improve traffic for the citizens of St tamy Parish who are traversing that street and whether that is not the true nature of service that the hospital should be concerned about thank you very Commissioners do you have any questions Mr hardy not specifically what have okay thank you um Mr Shane do you have any particular there's only two other people that you have that are actually filled out card that want to speak you have any preference to what we're doing okay here please state your name and address for the record please certainly will Carrie Milton uh St tamy Health System 1202 South Tyler Street good evening everybody I am Carrie Milton Chief nursing officer for for St tamy Health System I'm proud to say that I've been at St tamy for 42 years over 42 years and what I love most of our culture is that of caring caring for our patients their families and for our colleagues this past December we celebrated our 70th anniversary and we believe have grown to meet the needs of this community and I know we will continue to do so for the next 70 years as a chief

nurse I have the honor and the privilege to work with over a thous th RNs LPNs and nursing assistants making up the largest cohort of our 3100 colleagues I take leading nursing Workforce seriously and work every day to make their experience at St tamy better if I take care of our colleagues they take better care of our community I am sure that everyone knows about our parking constraints what you may not be aware of is the fact that we've had two prior accidents at 8 and Harrison tragically involving two of our colleagues after both incidents we set out to take a holistic approach to the safety of anyone who visits our main campus we made improvements to the crosswalks the lighting the first skybridge across Tyler and we have additional improvements on the way since the most recent accident which occurred in 2023 even with these improvements we can do more more I believe the proposed parking garage will provide another safe route to the main campus for patients their families and our colleagues when you think about our colleagues that work shifts they arrive at work in the dark and they leave work in the dark a parking garage with a skybridge is the safest option for those colleagues who provide life-saving care to our patients thank you for the your time time this evening and your attention to this request which I wholeheartedly support thank you commissioner you have any questions or comments to make which um of the existing parking lots would um where the employees are

currently using which of those would impact the employees release because you know if you're going to construct on that lot you have to relocate the parking employees which of those current Lots would impact employees the least and still give you a close proximity maybe not the shortest one you have right now but have yall looked at that yes we have um the majority of the employees that work the shift work are parking in the 8th Avenue parking lot toward the river and in the 10 10th Avenue parking lot on the opposite side of the street those employees take the crossb bridge that exists today in order to get to the main campus but you're not going to abandon no um the fact is we always have people parking yes and the fact is we continue to grow so we have to make additional parking yeah thank any anything else okay there's five minutes remaining for down the road if you'd like um thank you thank you uh Dr ma would you like to speak if so please come to the podium state your name and address to the record please Lewis mod 614 West 11th Avenue just let you know even though I'm in the same block as the proposed garage traffic is not going to affect me my concern is a night scenario morning Rush Hour you get an accident in one of those sou you lock up one link what is the

back that traffic there's a bad critical patient there's a bad outcome what's going to happen who's the fault for that a being there has EMS been asked about a traffic plan for this there contingency with this traffic people are concerned about the time it takes for a hel helicopter person to get from the what about this person stuck in traffic this is a much more lik scenario than the 10 patients who come in per month of which I don't know how many are critic that's not something this is doar sh familiar with the schematic this is B this is the street I worried about you have an accident anywh here traffic backs up South probably all way past the bridge this is not helpful going around is not helpful you literally how are fire trucks has anyone gotten pass an accident pass here if you put all these other cars at that time this is the timing issue if you end up with that then you're going to have an issue oh and separate said wish Miss milon talking about patients and visitors is this garage just for employees or for patients and visitors I don't need an answer I'm just want to propose that my proposal is put this on 10th Avenue parking lot here you can build turn Lanes to come in here that alleviates these two lanes coming into this area helipad here you have good approach South north and east some from the west but this one you have South north and west basically should not approach I mean not South that's where the

hospit nor are over family areas this one is not this one is not this one's commercial this one is you can put a sky brge from here to this sky brge that enters into the hospital it is longer but I'm I more worried about the helicopter pad with that Pati should have it long a hall for this person who's stuck who can't get there now the next part is all these Pati employees come here what's going to be done with that is there going to be more more buildings more buildings more traffic and how is that going to play out I know that's a future event uh a separate total thing the hospital owns all these could they sell that to the city lease it back to them y'all get the revenue they free up Capital they can do improvements y'all have lost property tax dollars because they own this it'd be a way for you to gain some Revenue back just on that that particular part that's all I have thank you uh commissioners any uh questions okay um Mr Shane we have one more on your Tod rechar is

state your name record Todd rard I reside at 150 North New Hampshire Street downtown Covington uh after listening to to most of the the people that have spoken thus far I I realize that there's no issue with as to whether or not we need parking there's no issue as to whether or not the hospital is Success financially um I just wanted to point out that as a as a user of the hospital probably everyone in this room has the either fortunate unfortunate opportunity to be part of the hospital system um and if you've had to visit a loved one there you understand the parking problem that we have so there's no issue as to whether or not we need parking there's no issue as to whether or not we have to allow for the Emergency sounds like it boils down to uh a traffic issue uh when I first heard about this I said well we're not creating more cars uh notless we continue to grow the hospital but we're not creating more what we're doing is we rearranging it and it sounds to me that we have a difference of opinion with respect to the traffic study and that's what it might fall down to my history is I spent 11 years on planning zoning for the St tamy Parish understand your job is very difficult but we have to remember what's in the best interest of the whole not just necessarily the few I understand if you live very close to uh the hospital there's a concern uh but also understood that this property has been zoned for medical services district for quite a while so the question blls down to whether or not the plan that's being uh presented to you is one that is doable and one that is in the best interest of everybody in the city uh but there's little doubt that we need parking that we have a successful health system which improves our quality of life across the board it's an economic driver for the city it's really part of a crown jewel for us so I ask

that you support this request specifically as it relates to the conditional use permit and plant and for instance if there is an issue where in the future we realize that there is a traffic problem that the Traffic Engineers of wrong I'd ask that you go back to the hospital and find out would they contingently be willing to put in turn LS because that may be an option uh you don't necessarily need to spend the money on the front end but if there is a problem uh and we have someone who's right and someone's wrong would they be willing to actually make that a condition anyway thank you very much unless you have any questions thank you um chassie would you like to speak you'd like to wait um khi H please come to the front Podium state your name and address for the record please yes my name is khaki Han I live at 519 West 16th Avenue um my yard is actually on 16th and 15th and Harrison runs all the way down the side so I am daily on Harrison I can see the er um I drive that way all the time I have two kids that's our neighborhood I see a lot of my neighbors here um we have no problem with the hospital we appreciate that they're very upfront with their emails they let you know what they're planning to do um they're very Pro proactive um I realize they care about the community at large um they've talked about safety and all these studies but they have not once mentioned um the safety the concern or anything with the actual city of Covington and our neighborhood um where yes Tyler is trafficky we know that we know there are schools um we love our neighborhood of Tyler we are a little bit trapped because we have the hospital um we have an the junior high the elementary school and then the bottleneck up further up

Tyler so uh we can't reroute as easily as other areas of town you know there's no quick cut through but we know that Harrison is already you know a cut through not just to the ER but for people avoiding traffic on Tyler um they're proposing to build a parking garage which I am Pro parking garage I Am pro skybridge I have no problem with that I wish they had done a parking garage somewhere else 10 years ago um no problem with their growth or that it's zoned medically um but this is where we drive yes it is also where we run walk walk our dogs our kids ride their bikes um they play there is no sidewalk on Harrison there is no uh sidewalk even on our side of Tyler Street um there is no shoulder there's none of that you know for the neighborhood for the taxpaying citizens um that is a problem yes the location okay 10 10 helicopters a month come in okay um but what you don't think maybe 10 accidents could be caused a month by 400 people entering and exiting a garage after Tyler Street Narrows to two lanes in that bottleneck and then they want people to go through the light and stop and turn in the garage and then they want to filter people on to Harrison where our houses are yes where our kids are biking where I go running in the morning and we're going to have 400 cars School traffic is not the only traffic in the area there's some of us that have to go that way all day and there is a major safety concern for that neighborhood um the hospital owns a ton of land and I want them to build a parking garage the bottleneck that is our little section of Tyler is not the place to do it um the safety of patients is great but what about the safety of the citizens of Covington and our that neighborhood Covington is a beautiful beautiful city we tout that all the time we work hard to be beautiful when you come in that South entrance or whatever that entrance is um into town we have a beautiful hospital we also have 10 acres

of parking lot that's really not that beautiful a parking garage would actually be an improvement there the traffic is horrendous we know that but if you live there you experience it and there are hundreds and hundreds of us that live there not just the people bringing their kids um it is horrendous and as the one gentleman said if there is an accident we're trapped I mean you know you can't even walk to some of those places on Tyler because of the lack of shoulders and sidewalks let alone being able to get out of your house so the fact that they would want to build a large parking garage that is needed right there after the road Narrows and where there are multiple schools and businesses and a vibrant neighborhood full of people that are always outside um and then build and then just see put dump those people onto Harrison Avenue and 11th which we all know is very narrow and a tight turn I I'm so glad the city fixed that ditch a while ago because I called it the death ditch because sometimes you're forced to turn there to get to our houses that are there um let alone people cutting through but they want to build it and then wait and see if maybe they might need a turning lane everybody knows that you don't need a traffic study to say that they did all these studies they did not come back in the neighborhood and speak to anyone about their needs I don't think they drove in the neighborhood at all Tyler is not the only Road being affected 11th is a major road it already has a narrow road with a small stoplight but there are a lot of other roads back there a lot of people back there and you're creating a lot of safety issues for Neighbors so again they've got the Land There is no though I don't think they're having a lot of excess deaths right now because of where the helipad is but to ask us in the whole city to pay the price for their poor planning or where they don't want to put the money versus where they do is frankly not showing care for the community right we we live right there we use that hospital I can't even walk to the hospital because there's no

sidewalk so talk about not really being maybe a great neighbor to your actual neighbors not just the neighbors that might be 20 miles away so there's a lot more that needs to be considered and yes traffic no nobody wants traffic but I also want safety I want to be able to walk bike I want my kids to be able to be out there I want our pets to be able to be out there I don't want to get trapped in my house because of a wreck I don't want to wait and see and then ask them and then whether are we 10 years down the road before we get turn Lanes or they finally decide they need another parking garage so please take that into consideration um I know I think I speak for a lot of neighbors back there and I know that you serve the city of cumington and the citizens of that City and so we have a lot of concerns that aren't just our traffic on Tyler that's just one that everyone shares so thank you very much thank you Mr Shane Mr Shane you have you have anybody else that you need to have speak you want okay um yeah well we'll wait and see if um okay uh M chassis you're up you want to say anything I'm going off my stage um I'm Caroline chassis um I've lived in Covington since 1963 we grew up on West 13 right next to the hospital um my husband and I Mark Richard live on South Monroe um we've lived there since 2014 before the expansion of the

emergency room in 2016 um our backyard used to be a sanctuary we had deer rabbits Birds owls so quiet and then the emergency room came I was all for the expansion of the emergency room but in our backyard which some of you might think it's selfish but it was no longer a sanctuary there was a constant Buzz they move the HVAC systems the generators all the electrical systems on this side of 11 our Wildlife has disappeared our owls have disappeared our birds have disappeared that's just one home might not be a big deal but I firmly believe that if um the zoning is changed or the conditional use is implemented that five stories on Tyler is going to have a huge impact on Wildlife we haven't talked about drainage what about Simpson Creek our home backs up Simpson Creek Simpson Creek is a protected tributary wated for chaunka I don't know how many pounds of concrete are going to be poured on Tyler but where's the runoff going to go where is the drainage going to go I am very supportive of more parking I am curious about the four or five expansive parking lots that could be multiple level parking lots I don't know why that hasn't been done yet I don't know the studies I'm not familiar but I am curious why multi-level parking cannot be uh implemented in those areas and the

helipad could maybe be addressed in a separate issue so I'm not big on AI but I spent some time on AI because I didn't know if I needed to present Solutions because a lot of times we talk about problems but we don't offer Solutions all across America all across this country Community Hospitals and major medical centers are dealing with these same issues Community Hospitals pay for infrastructure changes to support their recommendations I don't know if that's been suggested the other thing that takes place is now hospitals major medical centers yes who have lbound limitations but they're going to park and ride shuttle services ballet Services now I know St Tamm has but it hasn't been maximized now you can get out your phone have an app tap in it and say I'm going to park at Square 212 and I will be there at 7117 and lo and behold a driverless car picks you up and takes you there look we're coming we're a small town let's just throw up a garage that'll solve our problems but it won't it's not going to solve our problems I live in the neighborhood I experience the size of the hospital footprint every day when I think about it now would I give up the hospital being three blocks away to the hospital being three miles away and the answered yes because high quality of life has diminished and I believe this cement steel monstrosity right there on Tyler as you

enter our city doesn't represent hington it doesn't represent the small town atmosphere that we shout and we're very proud about and you know I'm G throw this out there um St hospital by its very nature and legal status is to support the community and be a good neighbor I heard about this project 10 days ago and I live three blocks away from the hospital there were no focus groups there was no community outreach there was no invitation to come and learn about the unveiling of this project kind of feel like they acted like a for-profit entity entering and pushing their weight and I'm sorry to say that but I just I just don't feel the love for the neighborhood and the neighbors one more thing I walk five miles a day sometimes two or three in the morning sometimes two or three in the afternoon and I walk Harrison and I walk Po and I walk all around that area and people leave Tha race on those side streets there's no sidewalks there's no protected areas our town is changing so I understand the importance of this project I really really do I understand you know parking is it optim I'm kind of like sad it's all for employees because I kind of thought patient families needed some parking um but if by chance this this moves forward I'm going to ask youall to to vote no because I don't think it's time you have one minute okay I don't think it's time to move forward yet I don't know if there's been drainage study do has that been

presented have there been any drainage studies as a community we are always addressing drainage after the fact I don't want to address drainage after the fact 11 floods and eight floods for big storms already what's it going to look like with this with all this concrete okay let's see what else oh I want to thank y'all for your time y'all have a big decision to make this a big this is going to change Covington forever forever it's the it's the tallest biggest building besides the the hospital and um the Justice Center and you know hospitals decentralizing it it thank you for this opportunity to be talk and I appreciate it and um I hope that y'all will vote no thank you chass I have a few questions please my first when there's not a question statement not for profit does not mean that they don't make a profit just NE neither does a nonprofit no Mission no Mar I mean no Martin no Mission I'm not against them making a profit I'm against not inviting the community to give feedback and learn about projects understood and so I kind of agree with my next question is uh you said that um you're proposing St C Hospital pay for INF infrastructure what infrastructure are you suggesting that they pay for sidewalks okay does any other neighborhood in all of Covington older Covington have sidewalks yeah all over that is paid for by someone other um I do not know the answer to that

question but if the hospital is truly looking for expansion and their expansion impedes um residents residents well I Haven make a I make make I didn't make a list I mean I could go and make a list I could ask AI right now and find out but I mean you know has there been a study done for pul to be one way heading into Covington or Harris s to be one way that was another one of my suggestions that requ so much that goes with this do to come in and why it hasn't happened before now make Tyler one way in One Direction just like Hammond did when I was in college many years ago well so what then everybody is gonna then everyone's going to complain about what the secondary Street would be that would have to be the counterpart to the One Direction and the other way I I do need I I do believe there needs to be a drainage study an environmental study maybe we have some special bird that we need to protect I don't know but um I am for expansion I just don't think this project at this time at this location and we have time is is the right way thank okay thank you Mr Shane would you go ahead let's go ahead and and you're welcome to do a rebuttal at this point I gave it to I have cards up here from lots of people that said they didn't want to speak some that did this one for Watkins you have one for watk you would you like to speak Miss Watkins I I will give you some time go ahead state your name and address for the record please my name is Candace Watkins I live at 417 North Florida Street comington

Louisiana and um I just wanted to bring up a couple of things for the commission to think about because what Miss chassi said is very true I'm not as concerned with the immediate impact of this project as I am about the 20year impact of this project because she's right this is going to be there forever and it's a major change it's a major decision and yes the the IH zoning is in place but the fact that a conditional use permit is required indicates that there are potential problems with what's being proposed that's why conditional use permits are put into the code to make sure that conditions are set and met so there's a negotiation that goes on between the applicant and the city when conditional use permits are requested and requirements are usually the minimum so when we talk about is infrastructure required anywhere else in the city that isn't paid for by you know the people who live there uh yeah but there's nothing to say that you can't ask for more than is basically required and um we also know that so I would just ask that you take this extremely seriously understand that this is a forever thing that's being decided on that what happens now on the other side of 11th Avenue is going to impact the neighborhoods and it so keeping this on the hospital side of 11th Avenue is going to prevent a lot of slippery slope kind of stuff in the future at the last thing I want to see Ever is Tyler Street widen to four lanes because then you're amputating an entire section of the city from this side of the city everyone

loves the hospital we want it to thrive we want it to be near but we also can see that the business models are changing St Tam Parish Hospital is no longer a small community hospital 15 years ago when this code was written for this IH zoning the hospital was two stories tall and and that's all different and no one anticipated at that point which is why you normally do fiveyear revisits to all of these things in the planning process so um there's a skybridge that that goes from the building across the street to the hospital that was cut off because that building was then being leased to someone I think tell me if I'm wrong about this who ended up in competition with the hospital due to various changes with this bner and all the other things so I knew someone who was receiving cancer treatment there had to be brought to the hospital in an ambulance which was very painful and and traumatic at that point and I appreciate Miss sword's passion for her patients yes but we also know that the emergency room wasn't always in this location and emergency rooms can move but this parking garage is not going to move it's going to stay there forever so within the the future plans of the hospital I don't know what current requirements are by the state for hospitals having emergency rooms I don't know if this particular Hospital leases out its emergency room or if they run it themselves I don't know um but we know that the Dynamics of all these things are changing and so for you to make a decision this major about something that will be here forever it's very difficult for you to anticipate all the changes that can

happen between now over the next 20 years my grandchildren live here and I want their Covington in 20 years to Look a Lot L like it does now so please please try to think that this is more than just an immediate problem to be solved there are options to be considered with all the land that the hospital owns with the various ways that these things can be approached like chassis said that you know AI is changing everything you need a parking space we'll find you one it'll be there waiting for you etc etc thinking that we're going to limit this to employees now now sounds great now but in five or 10 years what does that mean and if we're adding 300 parking spaces I'm not sure then the anticipation is that 300 more parking spaces per day are are going to be needed at some time or else they wouldn't be spending all this money so just think that a lot of things can change over the next many years in this particular situation that we cannot know tonight but that also with a conditional use permit you can list conditions and so I ask that you seriously consider all those things and thank you for your service to the city of kington thank you we have only one other speaker um that has stated they would like to say something opposed to the item it's uh Janet I'm not going to destroy your last name okay great Mr Gilly you want to say something because you didn't I have question thank you Mike Gilly too fox out Jen I I see at the traffic study was done in November what dates in November was

done okay okay Mr Shane yes sir so I'll understand the format about how long you you you've got some time at least seven minutes try to keep it within that I appreciate the opport we can we can work with it because we we went more with the other side than we did to you so I'll take that into consider sir I appreciate it um G where do you start um I think uh it's important for all to understand that it's difficult for all of us any of the speakers this evening to probably convey uh all of their thoughts and direct all of the pertinent ideas when you're talking about a project of this significance um it certainly uh is a big and heavy decision but I hope everyone will understand that just as the hospital has developed from a small flat roof structure in 1954 to in my view the uh not only wonderful edifices but architecturally uh pleasing edifices that are there today there was a lot of study and design as it relates to the type of structure the purposes it would fulfill and where it would be situated so um the suggestion that we would hire a traffic consultant to give us an answer is simply not true the Commissioners felt that probably their greatest obligation other than to the hospital itself its patients the families the employees the doctors was to the public to the city of Covington to the Parish of St Tam for the many people that come from Beyond the city

limits to the St cry Parish Hospital for that reason we found a firm in Baton Rouge vura that serves as a consultant to the city of Baton Rouge Lafayette Lake Charles and DOD that had expertise in looking at these type of situations time will not allow me to go into all of the details of their report but I will simply State the conclusion as it relates to the suggestion for right turn Lanes being incumbent for safety as a result of the parking garage the report states that after careful study and Analysis it is the opinion and conclusion of our firm that proposed alternative of constructing exclusive right turn Lanes on West 11th Avenue is not necessary warranted nor recommended I mean all you can do is go to what you believe as a lead expert and quite frankly there's not another expert opinion in the room as it relates to the traffic conditions I don't want to beat a dead horse but it seems to me that in some resp effects there's some Simplicity here that's being overlooked the parking garage itself is not a generator of traffic it is not a destination the hospital is the destination the hospital is the generator of traffic and I would suggest to you that perhaps as much as 65 to 75% of the cars that come to the hospital today come from the north the west and the East and think it out West could be 11th Avenue 15th Avenue 19th Avenue 21st Avenue North is likely

to be Tyler Street East could be 11th Avenue and on and on all of us can see it my point is is that yes we will be collecting vehicles at a location that here to for we've only collected 120 cars yeah by the way there's 20 cars that currently Park in square 1110 we lose excuse me please don't make comments when I have a speaker up here it's totally rude and you can walk yourself out if you need to thank you so by putting the facility here we have the ability to capture much of the traffic that is coming to this location already and captured in what we believe to be a very safe and efficient manner there's a reason that the Ingress and egress points are on the North side 12th Avenue are on the and the East Side Harrison Avenue it would not have been good planning to place it on 11th Avenue or Tyler Street there's a reason that this is not a pay garage or one that has an operator or an arm that regulates the vehicles that go in or out it's because we don't want to have stacking and we don't want to have queuing we want the vehicles to be able to get in easily and get out easily and the suggestion that we're going to build it and just see what happens well if I said that I misstated my thought we have studied what we will believe will happen but my point is we will have the ability to put in further controls if necessary if it's suggestive that we have presented some form of problem and I think it's very unique that the hospital can control to some EX extent those that park in the garage and what times of the day they enter and leave that's a very important point that

allows us to avoid whether it's School business Leisure traffic going to the Southshore on and on and that's something that we took into great consideration in planning the parking garage at this location I must also again emphasize that although it's called a parking garage our opport Unity to have a hell stop on the fifth deck is critical to improving uh patient care patient services uh and allowing our hospital again to be a leader uh in the health care industry in this region it is very important to get the hell stop away from its current location southeast of the South Tower and very important for us to be able to utilize what's about a $3 million sky brege to make sure that there is safety not just for patients coming in from helicopters but for any of us that are going to the hospital and parking in the garage visiting patients Etc with regard to economics I know this is not an economic debate it's a land use here I respect that and Mr hardy gave you a lot of facts and figures but I would suggest to you that St Tam Parish Hospital believes that its first and for most obligation is to always try to utilize its excess revenues in its most important asset which are its colleagues its employees and also as it relates to its facilities to provide the highest level of Health Care that this Hospital can provide it's why it's really more than a community hospital it's a regional leader in health care it's aspiring for world class Health standards and I don't say that with hip Ry I am not suggesting it is but I'm telling you for those that

know that hospital and have lived in this community it has achieved Heights here to for never imagined so we have two minutes left thank you sir addition so I ask that you consider this well studied plan if you've reviewed the staff reports you'll know that all of the metrics of the code have been met yes there is a conditional use permit because a parking garage is a conditional use uh opportunity if in fact the property is owned and let's also not forget that this property has been own institutional hospital for a long time and can be utilized in a variety of ways by the hospital some of which quite frankly might not be as compatible as the project that we're proposing I do want to also talk talk about architecture and scale and continuity it's my opinion that the hospital has done a wonderful job of trying to make its space continuous and seamless every addition is essentially within the same style the same type of building materials and creates a pleasant aesthetic continuity you have in your staff report uh the renderings uh and elevations for the exterior of the garage along Tyler and particularly 12 this is not something in our view that's out of scale it's essentially the same height as the North Tower which is across the street and it was specifically designed to make sure that there was not only continuity but hopefully some compatibility uh as you enter Covington to conclude my remarks the hospital is

proud to be a partner in this community for the past 70 years we hope you understand that as we grow we continue to have needs that must be accommodated after our studied approach and looking at problems that we currently have we believe that the parking garage project at this location will not only work for St Tam Parish Hospital but it'll work for the community of C thank you thank you all right Commissioners um I have a couple more questions um part of the structure is five stories part is four stories correct no why is there why is this higher than the well the elev yes you have a why is that he you want to address that do they have plan do you have plans to put more levels on top the structure won't accommodate you just put a roof on that we wanted to put a deck on the fifth level a deck on the so that it would be a perch above the trees and again enhance the safety opportunity um and there are things you can do to put green screens able to soften the look of Hospital have you seen the elevation rendering are they in the report and I don't know that we can't make that recommendation as part of this process but um as has there do you have a master plan for all of the properties that the hospital has there ever been a master plan has there ever been thought about what's going on or we just throw something out whenever we need um there is a master plan there is

a master plan there is a master plan plan and I found out about this when somebody from the community called that's that's when I found out 10 days I don't know if it's 10 days or L but and and this is a part of the master plan yeah but we we've never seen the master plan and I remember when we wrote the institutional Zone in the 90s we required the schools to come in with a master plan so that we could see that this fit in the master plan not that you can't change the master plan but that there was a requirement for a master plan I didn't see it in this or in this ordinance in the hospital District that you have to have a master plan sure but we had written that originally in institutional I think before they carved out uh hospitals as a separate group anyway uh so you do have a master plan but we've never seen it no but you're welcome to see it and not only is it a public dot no I'm just we've never seen it's not part of this presentation well no sir but that's correct but it's not as you know Mr vry also so well that is not a incumbent document as it relates to seeking a conditional use permit or a site plan no it's not a requirement not a requir but I want to make sure it's clear to you there there's nothing to hide here we we no I just didn't know what was going to happen on those properties that are currently parking areas right now in 20 years as I'm sure another time for another reason we would be glad to share with you our current thoughts as to how we might develop the rest of our and and one of the things I'm looking at and probably miss chassis doesn't really like this one or but I think that there's a possibility that you could move it off of Tyler onto the current parking lot across the street from Harrison and just move it and you'd still have the sky you'd still have you

might have to revoke Harrison but I don't know why this configuration couldn't be made a little bit farther back from Tyler Street which I think would help with traffic queuing and as far as uh could I respond public infrastructure that's being done by private concern they do it all the time with things like detention Basin and drainage you know much expect well it's not in our ordinance we don't have that we don't I don't as far I know we don't have uh detention on this site there's no requirement for detention which there is in most developed properties I believe there is a requirement in the parish in particular there's a requirement for all commercial construction in Covington so you do have detention on this one we're going to have to design detention let's first of all remember that currently this is a developed site that has runoff it has what has runoff yeah already wait a minute no it's very important off coefficient if we were going though from a natural undeveloped square and we're going to clearcut but for landscape ordinance and place structures I think the drainage concerns would even be greater but let's we all know what's going on in that square there'll be more drainage from here you know the runoff coefficient of gravel is a lot but we understand that incumbent and getting a building permit we must submit a traffic I mean a train study to your engineer that meets all the requirements of the city and it's essentially going to be to collect water and it's going to be to monitor the rate of runoff of that water into the creek was moving it off on the on the adjacent Square down 12th Avenue ever considered

on this project not to my knowledge and and I think in large part it's because we have of course a structure there well no you could if you if if you did revoke har and you could you'd have plenty enough room to do I guess we could but I think there's a lot of people that utilize Harrison both citizens in the city of Covington and also people coming to and from the hospital so I'm not sure well I mean I I I I travel that area daily yes at different times of day mostly it's around noon but um I I just thought that there's a better location for this exact facility yes sir uh I had no more comments and if there were no more questions I appreciate the opportunity and we'll be glad to answer any other questions as the evening goes on okay stand there yeah go okay I just want to highlight uh from the vectura uh traffic study that uh traffic counts 6:00 AM to 8:00 am and 230 to 6 the impact or non-impact I think you guys highlight or they hi getting information from the hospital as to uh uh these these times when uh staff and others would be coming uh in in their exhibit one in contrast to the peak hours reported 7: am to 2:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m that uh ships ending in the evening end at 5: to 7:00 p.m. both of which are outside the determined study area PM peak hours at 2:30 p.m. so I wanted to highlight that because I think that's significant and answers a lot of the

concerns about uh the traffic and the swelling of traffic Etc I'm on I'm on Tyler I Pro I'm gonna start timing it because I think I'm I'm on it probably at least an hour hour and a half a day of as many trips as I make up and down down there so I think that's significant I highlighted in my review as U it's it does not impact those Peak schedules um I think for the and I'll go ahead and summarize my thoughts um having critical Services U that are efficient as as this design in my opinion lays out um I think it's it's a compliment to the services that are already there um I had to go back and reread the uh existing helipad and the conditions by which they have to clear that helipad from time to time in order to get that uh that Chopper landed um I was amazed by that so we take that out of the equation I think it's a complement to the to the project I don't think that the drainage has been has been brought up because uh as as Mr Shane pointed out we're we're not trading we're not we're not uh loading the system or the infrastructure with additional drainage because the structures are already there um so plus the drainage comes with building from That's which is down the road it's not something that's unaddressed it's just not for this meeting yeah but it's been brought up right it's been brought up so right I don't I don't see the impact I think uh the the presentation I think speaks for itself and um uh they didn't have to do the traffic stud and but they did and for one I appreciate

that because traffic is a big thing and my last my last point on this is that and we do a lot of project work with with the parish on a lot of projects and um we know how the traffic on Tyler bottlenecks as you get closer to downtown just passed this proposed project but with every project that comes online in the corridor uh in the city Corridor that the state uh has control over we get special attention and it may take 15 or 20 years but you get a bump up with every major project that comes you get more attention from the state more funding set aside and it gives us a better position with the state for our for our Corridor Improv improvements it works with the parish and it certainly works for us too so um I I think uh that will help us down the road even with the state to get additional widening of Tyler as we as we know it it needs it especially north of this project um I'm having people raise hands it's not a we're not going back and forth in rebuttal so I'm I'm not sure sure what it is you're raising your hand for and I'm sorry that you don't but there are two uh points of Ingress erress one is on 12 and one is Onre correct yes yes yes the the consultant had of course the site plan the project

and the question was does this work and what things do we need to do to make it safe convenient and efficient that is correct that is correct okay um my last question is um there was a board of adustment case yes sir that was and it was withdrawn can you explain that sure be glad to um that's a a mistake on my part to have filed it and asked that it be heard before this hearing this evening in that um there are some uh vertical supports for the skybridge that encroach into the buffer area one is by one one foot 7 inch encroachment the other is about uh 30 in and I realize that until the site plan is set and approved if it is approved not being presumptive but my point is I got the cart before the horse how do you know precisely what variance if any you may need until the site plan and performance standards have been reviewed by this body and possibly by the coun so there is some flexibility in the landscape ordinance that if you encroach within the buffer you can provide that additional square footage um and the other thing I just wanted to so we we may need to come to the boa in the future but we decided that the horse needs to be the project and these very important issues that we're discussing tonight um the only and I go that would be permitting you be doing that before permitting um I I just want to say that the hpit uh in town is a is a big part of what we

are as Covington and I I I have had the opportunity to visit other hospitals in the last couple of months and it's far and above the other hospitals in the area the care the people that work there the physical plan it's all just uh we're are lucky to have St Tam Parish Hospital within the city of C we appreciate you saying that thank you sir okay with that uh Commissioners uh I will entertain a motion of any sort at this time uh we're going to entertain a motion for the first case which is the conditional use permit make a motion such to you have more I have too many questions and I don't know that they can be answered I still entertain a motion I make a motion to approve we have use per we have a motion to approve the conditional use permit we have a second you add some condition can't add conditions on the condition that is Inus property already and it has a drainage plan but you're adding four stories that are going to have that run

down and although you're not going to have rain on every level I would I would comment at this time that the way the process works is if the site plan is approved the next step is to submit building plans to the city engineer and the city building inspector which addresses the city engineer has to review those plans and the city engineer has to approve whatever specific drainage plan is submitted in conjunction with the exact building building being built so this is not the process to review drainage this is the process to review the site plan the city engineer is responsible for the drainage point you want me to I'll give a conceptual on the drainage I mean quite frankly the developed site as we propose it will be easier to drain than the current conditions and you might say why so well but but if you let me let me let me draw that back I don't I don't want to get into to that aspect of it because it's got to come back to us with that so I just wanted we have already made plans in that regard to make sure that but we'll get to discuss it is what I'm saying in a future meeting okay so we still have a motion to approve we need a second we have a second Mr Boone yes Mr Davids yes Miss swords I think you have to vote Yes or no no saying okay I stand corrected okay continue Mr villery no Mr

Bullock Mr Hudson yes so that that that matter passes for one Obion um the second uh motion to uh entertain would be on the second case which is the approval of an application for the site plan and performance standards review commission do we have a motion for that as well this is where performance you can add you could add some performance standards to the site and since we have elevations I I don't really want to get into it but I really do believe that uh the building could be softened with green screen I think there's a lot of things that could be done um that would make it a lot more stand the looks of the facility if that's something that we can do through performance but I'm yeah well let me just say that as a result of the hearing if in fact this project moves forward we will be glad to meet with uh you individually or collectively in a public hearing process to have discussion I mean we believe we've done a good job with that I haven't had time to talk about that at length I'm not complaining I'm just saying that we haven't talked about the details of the elevation the softening Etc but we'll be glad to meet with you Mr vry and get your thoughts and ideas and if we believe that they can be incorporated we take them into consideration does this go we word that into the uh to a motion Sub sub can we do a well first of all I guess we could make a motion and and add approval of

I'm not make okay made the that was the first round that was the first round this is the site no I do we have a do we have a motion on I'll make a motion to approve before I make I was going to make the motion before I do that I don't know how we can bullet list any kind of conditions I think we're opening Pandora box if we try to do that uh it's going to make its way back and through all the other other approvals so with that said I um I make a motion to approve as submitted case 25201 spr PSR have second Mr Davidson Mr Boon yes Mr Davidson yes M swords Mr villery no Mr Bullock Mr Hudson yes okay uh do we have any other uh business to discuss a yes no please please please finish your ethics training so that then we can start asking you to complete your sexual harassment prevention training you will have a meeting in March on March 17th okay thank you meetings adjourned thank you