Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

May 4 commission meeting to order. Our first item on the agenda is uh 711 Main Street in regards to a building sign. Is anybody here speak about that? No. Did you guys have any questions? Can you read through it? It sounds like just a sign for the building.

Just drove by Court of Appeals to the sign. So, I think we're good there. Uh any discussion? I like to make a motion to approve this Mike's motion. Second second, Jim. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

I. Any opposed? Any abstensions? Motion carried. All right. Second item item on the agenda is 143 Port Watson Street. Is anybody here to speak about that? Anyone want to tell us what your plan is? Uh yeah. So, I I'll just profess that um as on the agenda there, the um CBA did um issue a determination um interpretation

that there were two sections of the code that um they were looking at as to whether this was by definition a home occupation or a um a daycare facility. And depending on the answer to that, uh either a special use permit here or a use variance from the CPA would be um required. They determined that it met the definition of home occupation and therefore subject allow allowable under a special use per granted by the commission. Okay. So basically for special use so tell us a little bit about your plan.

Well we already are running it this week moved in. We didn't realize that we had to do all this but currently it's me and my wife. We run it's considered in home daycare cuz you're registered through the state and everything CFS. welded stuff, but the plan is just watch kids make golden. I was a welder, but I hurt my back. So, stay home with my wife. It was her business and I joined it. So, we can have a little more support also questions. I share

I just want to say thank you cuz it's childcare is very needed in our community. So increasing the number of kids that you're able to see is big deal. Seven. So if we're doing a special permit is what we Absolutely. Right. Right. I mean the only thing is if something comes into that neighborhood because it is zone that make something that's not conducive to the environment. I mean, I think it's fine now and the last thing I want to do is decrease our daycare, but maybe we do it on a yearly basis and at least something comes in. We just have to step back and make sure.

So, that's only good for them once. No, but I'm saying even if they stay there because of what is it is a GB GB2 GB2, right? So, something else moves into the next door. I think that that's allowed to by zoning that we're concerned about with the daycare box. I mean that's something you're concerned about. So I mean not saying we need to charge a money but just to make sure that it's I think it would be up to the new business and explain what they're going to do and then we would have to consider these guys. I'm saying a different business that's not fair to be sure.

No, I know that's what I'm saying too. But it's that would be their call. they would explain what they want to do, but they would look back because you know what I'm saying. Are are you raising a question about subsequent home occupation at his address or other coming in next door neighborhood and that's why they don't want daycarees allowed and you know it's not typically getting cheap. Understood. Yeah. I mean I want to support him because we need daycarees on our son. I understand. I'm just saying there's opportunity for something.

We just want to think about and I'm not saying you could kick you out that day that it be like, okay, we got these two interests in that thing. It's been talked about. Other thoughts from the planning commission? I think the other consideration in this case for you guys is where are they dropping off the baking off? Are they doing it on Bartlett or are they doing it on Port Watson? I would say Bartlett is the safer bet for Port Watson. I think you should just put that as a condition. Is it your driveway on Bartlett? Yeah, my driveway is on Bartlett. We encouraged parents to drop off on Bartlett. Yeah. I mean, that's what we've been doing. That's the entrance, right?

Yes. Yeah. We put up a fence when we first got when we first bought the house. Our driveway is right there. Everything's all fed stones. I I know they're doing it, but I just think that's a reasonable consideration. That makes sense. sure that they do what mom do.

So, uh, that's an astute question though because there's things that are as a right and like guess I so we could is it possible that something could be in conflict? I mean, we'd have to consider that when when and if that new business comes in, you know, I mean, right now it's it's fine, you know, but um like like I was telling Mike, I think that would be the time you'd be able to address that situation. So, if a business came in or want to order, how's that going to impact these guys?

Yeah, but I don't think they're going to say to business, right? because it may be by ro they they may not require it could be a smoke and then we would say no well if they had a special but if it was just a site plan review right um where it's used by right well I mean I guess we could leave it open and say you know uh approve it with the idea that if a business should come in that might impact their business they get to come back to parkours. I guess we could say that we

I don't think off the top of my head there's any business that would be allowed in the GB2 that could be that could be near that that we don't already manage differently in one shape or form. Like with smoke shops, you have a smoke shop license. You can't get a new smoke shop license in the city. Right. Right. Right. So, and I don't just adult bookstore wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't be allowed there anyway because it's, you know, right? Or dispensary wouldn't be allowed there anyway because it's GV1. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm trying to think of anything off the top of my head that

I guess I wasn't just thinking primarily things that we don't want, but just, you know, something big moves in there, even the GB that you got traffic and noise and things like that. And that's I think when I read the thing on child care that's what they're concerned about, you know, so not necessarily bars or shops or just a general business just watch. Yeah, I guess in the event there is a change we I mean you guys would see it anyway. So you guys, are we going to remember to go back to there's a date there? If I'm around, if I if I'm around, I'll remember. I know where the house is. Sure.

Yeah. H2O duplex unit there. Whatever is that? Yeah. Larry Baker owns one side. office. The office myself. Wow. I said the office. Yeah. Okay. So, what do you guys think? You want to make a motion one way or the other? Well, again, I'm supporting that they get whatever it is to continue. Absolutely.

I understand. I don't know if you can make them come back every year, every just my opinion. You guys can in the event that there are some other changes that are going to be made in the neighborhood, we can revisit this. I think um the thing about special use permit, yeah, is it's not permit, right? Okay. So if if something not saying you're going to do this but god forbid I mean god god forbid it ever does become a problem we can take we can remove especially this permit is non permitted it's not and it's non transferable right

so if you sell your home the new owners can't operate the day it's going to have to do all right so who would like to make a motion anybody I'll make the motion and you just want to put it in that uh what was it prerequisite or drop off makes sure

what are the hours after what are the hours the hours are4 to 6 in the morning till4 to 4:45 A made motion with that uh requirement. Uh so do you want to second that motion? I'll second that by Tony. Any further discussion? I'm sorry. Go ahead. The the requirement uh that drop off and pick up beyond side of the bill propert which I think they're playing which so we have it in there. All those in favor? I

I opposed any statutes. All right. Motion carries. Good luck. Thank you. This is 134 crap now. This is big. Oh, that's why.

All right. Well, my while my computer's bring bringing the uh plan up. You want to tell us a little bit about what what you want to do? Sure. Yeah, no problem. So, I own all those houses pretty much between almost all between Hamlin and Townley and 134 is right next door. This house will basically look just like 134 Gen except it's just got a little more on the back of it. 134. I get See, I get the numbers mixed up. Okay. So, we're doing a porch, right? Yes. Sorry. About porch. Yeah. Um Mr. Bon is is is answering a notice that was given by our office to redo the front of that building because this current front configuration is unsafe.

Okay. So that's why he's putting a porch on the front building. He's already been awarded all the needed variances to proceed. Yeah. And there is elevation drawings in there. So I know you guys like elevation drawings. Yes, it is our thing. Elevation drawing. All right. Uh any comments from Mr. Bar? Anything you guys want to ask about flood plane development you guys? I'm sorry. What? Okay. Yeah, the thing I remember reading.

So with the porch, you only need the that's going to need for which is in the plants too. Now there was a short curve. now short environmental assessment form. Should we go through that or was that already looks like it's already been filled out? So the I haven't got the stuff back from the county yet. I believe it's just going to he's not really disturbing any land. Okay. So I don't I think it's going to be a two which only I I put the just in case the county wants it. I always do a secret form for him. Okay.

I'm the one that does it. Yeah, it's all filled out. Double check. It is off fil. He's not involved. Okay. All right. Um question from Mr. I wasn't here when you started that project. It was a while ago, right? Um whatever it came across started table, but so why wasn't there a porch on there originally on the original site at?

Well, there was. We took it off. We came to put a new porch on, but we wanted the steps to come out towards the street and the porch just didn't want that. When Scott was on one or Scott Steve was on, he wanted this this drawing. So, I just never came back and did it. But this is So, I did Yeah. I mean, to me, it's similar to the other conversations we've had with some of your drawings, right? It's like you oversized that property for when it's on the rod. So now you're going to put a porch on that property that is coming out to I think 4 foot or limit to the sidewalk. There's nothing else on that street other than some of the other way down the street and they shouldn't be there either. That is out.

Well, that's not true because the the neighbor on the corner, their whole porch and garden and everything comes right to the sidewalk right next door. Where's that? On. No, on the corner of H. The business. Yeah, but it's an apartment and small office downstairs, but they got all the way there's no handicap people there. They got like ramps and everything built right to the side. Was a business before a long time ago, right? But um the house Roy will tell you the house right next door that I own 136, this porch is not coming out hardly further than that than that.

They're going to be symmetrical. pretty neat. That's what they're doing. That's what you can tell.

Yeah. I'm not sure if it look better if the only stop person is across the whole across the whole better. I mean, it could be smaller because he has 8 foot and there's no requirement that would have to be 8 foot. Any comments about this, questions, concerns? I think it was granted all the record. Did I say this already?

I mean, we'll just elect it and have you say yes to do it. Yeah, it's frustrating. So, basically, we're we're voting on whether to approve the semester. No, no, it's a just a addition plan development hopefully and site plan. Oh, site. So, we need a motion for a site plan. Well, yeah, let's do two separate motions. Site plan and the other one was a flood plan and then we need the same for the following agenda items as well.

All right. All right. So, we want to make a motion on the site plan. Let's start with that first. that motion by Tony. Can I get a second? Second. Amy by further discussion. All right. All those in favor of the site plan will this porch say I. I. Any opposed? Any submitted estimate? Yeah. Um plane development. We need a motion for this plane development because it is in a float. I'll leave that motion if you want to jump on that. I've never seen water run down.

Actually, actually, it wasn't too long ago. All the basements were flooded. Oh, the basements were flooded, but it won't affect the porch. Porch will be rock. All right. And I guess Jim made the motion. Mike, you're going to second. Further discussion on plane development. All right. All those in favor say I. I. anyone and extensions. So the floor level there is 1129 feet. So two feet above free barbar would be 1131 and that porch level is right at 1129 at best. But like over the last 30 years I've seen water run down Madison Street, but I haven't seen it in that section of ground.

So it's one of those things that we get audited for. Oh, really? Okay. I get a phone call annually from uh EMA present the flood plan manager. So I got to make sure I got to have this I got to have this documentation. So yeah. All right. The fourth item on our agenda is another uh looks like another grat or grat.

Before he starts I just want to say this is just for the addition. Um we're still getting plans for Mr. garden for the front of the building. Okay. And then assuming you're not going to take the porch off of this one. We would rebuild what was there. You're going to not take the porch off of this one so that it's looks similar to the other one. I guess I'm trying to give you the light here. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're going to repair the porch. So, we don't have plans that show all that. No. This is just for the addition off the back. There was a bat off the back. This back edition looks built.

It was there was there was some miscommunication about that. He did fill out a waiver form for this. Oh. Um we've since come to a mutual agreement and he has submitted building plans and elevation drawings and everything else for the for that back area. Okay. um garage and the and the the garage will come down because if he doesn't take the garage then it won't make it leave one of the parking. Okay. Um I think and also what development because that is what so we're basically looking for the same thing for this property site plan. This one's a little different because there's habitable space now, right?

So that so like I said that the the base the base flood elevation for the area is 1129, right? The first habitable floor has to be at 11:31 2 ft above board. If you look in those plans, it clearly shows that that first habitable floor is 2 feet above freeboard. It sounds good to me. What do you guys think? I don't know. I don't know why we can't get a set of plenty things beforehand. Yeah, it was just something that Roy wanted Well, everybody's huge renovations. I don't understand why you don't

Everybody's behind it has nothing to do with me. I mean, you could point the gun at me, but I point the gun at the architect and Roy talks to the architect and it's like it's these guys are really busy. Same with the builders. Everybody's I would just say try to try to do any house yourself and see how easy it is because builders are out a year, two, three, four years and sometimes the plans they they just don't get back to you. This guy's 75 years old and he's I don't know. It took Jim Stockman two weeks to get to one of my houses. You know what I mean? He's a survey just to look at it. So, we did the best we could. Whenever Roy calls me, right there with him, tried to get everything to him and uh this is how it was submitted. I guess the plans should be there. They're not.

They are. Yeah, they're small. I I that's how I got them. Yeah. I apologize. I I don't draw a plan. So, I'm sorry about if it's difficult for you in any background. There was a I'm sure it's a second floor porch there at one point and a first floor bathroom and garden.

I'm not I'll agree to disagree with that. I didn't well the the information we did there was like a set of stairs going up the second floor porch which would have had to been replaced anyway because that was holding them up back in the day with those pipes. So this built to plan will be a much safer than it was. Someone probably would have died in this house if I didn't buy it. There was no insulation in the walls. It had a wood stove on the second floor. There was no entrance to get upstairs besides the back. I mean, it it would

accident waiting. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So now it'll have what it needs to be, you know, a safe safe. Yeah. Which is what I think the city needs is more safe buildings in my opinion. Yeah, I think Bill what they're saying is this isn't an isolated incident. I understand what they're saying. Moving forward, we need to see there's a certain level. There's a certain things you have to do prior to starting work. And we've seen a trend and it's not isolated to you. We see it a lot with other people too.

Yeah. I mean it. Yeah. This is the only one that I've done and you know building that new house but other than that I just in the future. Sure. Let's do it the right way. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. We want you to keep I'm dying. I've done almost 50 of them. We do. Yeah. You know I I see them burn and then I he knows he's a fireman and a lot of these houses are just right. You just wait there'll be another 15 in three years they'll burn down sand. So we just try to gut them and rebuild them and make them safe so that people can have a nice place and sleep without beer. Energy efficient. Energy efficient. There you go. Yeah. Stoz.

All right. Well, let's take them one at a time. Somebody want to make a motion for the site planer due? I'll make a motion. All right. Amy's got the motion. Anybody want to second? I'll second it. All right. Further discussion. Is that gonna be peak roof or flat roof? No, there's no No, there's no flat roof. It just comes off the back at the So, the the addition the roof is going to be the the same. It's just going to come off that normal roof. Correct. So, it'll fit more with the neighborhood instead of be flat. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Any questions?

All right. those in favor of the site. Let's take that up first. Say I I opposed any abstensions. The second one was the flood plane development. Like Roy said, it's it's within parameters, so it's it's meeting that end of it. I have a motion about the flood plan. I'll make a motion. Flood plan. So the crawl space does need vents. Um, okay. So, since the crawl space needs it needs vents, there is an opening, you said between the the old house and the crawl space, the new the old house while that work is going on definitely needs if it does it have a sub pump in it. No, we could go in there.

That has to have a sub pump in it. Let's let's put that as part of the um the flood plane the flood plane piece flood plane review that one of the requirements is to have a self pump in the basement of the of the of the old 136 old 136 and then flood venting in the new addition flood venting in the new I can't remember did we get a motion on this we got to get out and the garage you got to come garage what the garage has to come All right. Five would be coming down as part of this. Yeah, it's on the plan. All right. All those in favor say I. I. I. Anyone oppose?

I'm sorry. Who's the second? I got Mike. Mike was the first in. So that's all set. All right. Good luck with that. Thank you. And I did tell my architect to put it all together. It's just I I try my best, man. Even if you could send it to us and have it part of this, that would probably help, too. Yeah. Once it's done. Yeah. Whatever Whatever Roy can help with and whatever we can do to make it easier, I will do my best for it. We understand. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much. Time for Yeah. Thank you. I try. You

do a great job. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. The uh the last thing for us tonight is the approval of the April minutes. Did everybody a chance to look those over? They're what? They're abbreviated. There's not much. There's not much. There was there was Oh, scroll down. Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe I didn't look right. Oh, sorry. My second page is Okay, now I see it. Now I see it. I'm sorry. I can do it like that. No, no, no. That's this. I like this. I just didn't line there. Yeah.

All right. So, do you want to make a motion to approve the minutes as you said? I'll make a motion. Jim second. Second. Mike further discussion. All those in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Any stain wasn't here. Oh, that's fine. Okay. So, we got four approvals. You got enough, right? Yeah, we have enough. All right, we will meet again June 1st. That's our next uh Monday meeting. Good meeting you guys. We got through a lot of lot of stuff. I got