City Council - Regular Meeting
The City Council approved the Fiscal Year 2027 operating and capital budgets on first reading, along with various fee adjustments and board appointments. A proposal for $78.6 million for the 60% design of the Inner Harbor Seawater Desalination Plant was rejected, following extensive public comment and a briefing on the alternative Harbor Island project. The council also ratified an emergency ordinance to withdraw Type B funding for Homewood Suites incentives.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- City Council
- Meeting Type
- City Council
- Location
- Corpus Christi, TX
- Meeting Date
- September 1, 2026
Transcript
995 sections
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Good morning, everyone. Thank you for being here with us this morning. We will now call this meeting to order. Our invocation this morning will be given by Pastor Matthew Morse with Parkway Presbyterian Church. Good morning, Pastor.
The Lord be with you. And also with you. Will you please join me in a word of prayer? Thank you. Gracious and loving God, we give you thanks for the city of Corpus Christi for all it is that represents who we are as citizens of your kingdom and citizens of your United States. We are grateful as we move into the off season that we've had a successful summer welcoming visitors from far and near to enjoy our beaches and enjoy our waters and enjoy everything of the culture of Corpus Christi that offers. WE DO PRAY THIS AFTERNOON FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR GIFTS AND WHAT THEY BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE PRAY YOUR WISDOM BE BLESSED UPON THE MAYOR AND ON OUR MAYOR PRO TEM AND ON EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER AND FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR THE CITY, BOTH Dave Kuntz, Employees that work on a level that supplies our daily needs and for those who are always ready to step up for emergency needs, so we do play pray for and ask blessings upon and your safety upon our police department and. our EMS services and our fire department and all of those who are first responders. As we are now into a new school year, we give you thanks for those who are in leadership at the Corpus Christi ISD and for administrators and teachers and counselors as they welcome in new students and old students. But always that would be a place of learning and opportunity so that what is brought out of Corpus Christi ISD would be one that would supply future leadership in our community. We thank you for this day, for this wonderful weather, and continue to bless us as a city and as a community. In Jesus' name we pray, amen.
Amen. Thank you, Pastor. The Pledge of Allegiance this morning and to our Texas flag will be led by John Pena, a senior at Premier High School. Good morning, John.
Good morning. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Now for the Texas Pledge. Honor the Texas flag.
I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.
John Pena is enlisted in the United States Air Force. He's currently a 12th grade senior at Premier High School, and he plans to pursue a degree in aviation. John, thank you for your leadership in your classes, for your willingness and heart to serve our country, and for being here this morning to start our meeting. We wish you all the best of luck.
Thank you so much for having me.
Miss Rebecca, if you'll call roll.
Mayor Pro Tem Kaylin Paxson.
Present.
Council Members Roland Barrera. Here. Sylvia Campos. How are you doing? Eric Cantu. Here. Gail Hernandez. Here. Everett Roy. Here. Mark Scott. Here. Carolyn Vaughn. Here. City Manager Peter Zanoni. Present. Interim City Attorney Buck Bryce. Present. Mayor and Council, a quorum of the Council and the required charter officers are present to conduct the meeting.
Thank you, Ms. Rebecca. That moves us into Section E of our agenda, the city manager's comments. Mr. Zanoni.
Great. Yes, ma'am. Good morning, Mayor Pro Tem and members of the council. I want to take a few moments this morning to provide a comprehensive update on capital improvement work that's currently underway at North Beach. We know North Beach is one of our oldest developed areas of Corpus Christi. It has served as a destination for residents and visitors for over 100 years, and there's a lot happening on North Beach, so we want to highlight that today. This area does suffer from drainage problems from three different types of events. We have drainage issues when there's tropical storms or hurricanes. There's tidal inundation when there's a high tide, extraordinary high tides. Water can seep up from the ground. And then there's rain events that cause flooding. And so a series of projects that we'll go over this morning are intended to mitigate drainage and other issues on North Beach, and we'll go over them today. So you can see here on this slide, there's a lot of work happening at North Beach. The first three, the first two, I should say, are connected and the same contractors working on all those right now. SO NORTH BEACH DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, BEACH AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION, GULF SPRAY AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION AND THE ECO PARK ARE ALL AS A COMBINED PROJECT. WE HAVE A BOND 2022 PROJECT EAST SURF SIDE BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF THOSE IN A MOMENT. WE HAVE A HISTORY PLAZA THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT AND MORE WORK IS BEING DONE THERE AT NORTH BEACH. OF COURSE NORTH BEACH WOULDN'T BE THE BEACH WITHOUT THE BEACH AND WE HAVE A BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECT. We're going to show you and talk a little bit about some surplus properties under the former Harbor Bridge. This is quite a big area, and TxDOT's improving some of that area, and then others will have to be disposed of, bought by entities that are interested in redeveloping it. And then our most recent project is a pedestrian project, the U.S. 181 Frontage Road that will help connect residential communities to the eastern part of North Beach. So let's start with the North Beach Drainage Improvement Project. You can see the pictures here. If you haven't been to North Beach and if you did go, you're going to see a lot of this work. So North Beach has historically experienced flooding during rainfall because of its low elevation and really lack of drainage infrastructure for this type of geographic area. This project is the first phase of a larger effort to improve drainage across the entire peninsula. And the project that we'll talk to you about right now is a $25 million investment. It's underway right now, $25 million. Substantial completion on this project is expected a year from this fall. So it's about 40% done today. 100% will be done by next fall, by 2027. You can see here an architectural rendition of this drainage canal. We refer to it as a linear park canal. It's about 4,600 linear feet, and this is just the first half. This takes it from the northern part of the peninsula heading towards Portland to about midpoint in the peninsula, and then phase two would be from the midpoint to the Texas State Aquarium. About another $25-plus million still has to be invested. But that 4,600 linear feet is about one mile in length, so it's a pretty big section. You can see that the canal is being built to collect and temporarily store and then convey stormwater to North Beach. And we've seen many, we haven't seen it in recent times because of the drought, but anytime it would rain on North Beach, water on the roadways would be ankle or even knee height, and people couldn't even get to their houses or to their jobs without walking in water. The project also includes a peripheral ditch system, a ditch system along the roadways where additional drainage relief is being designed and engineered. This is going to be a great destination. We talked about it last week with the hike and bike trail, but persons coming across the bridge can do a lot on North Beach. They can include hiking and cycling in this linear park canal as well once it's complete. And you can see here some additional scope, you can see the blue line in the middle is the linear park and now the first half. But this project also includes reconstructing beach avenue, which is the first red line, you can kind of see it midpoint and the slide. beach avenue reconstruction will include additional self bound lane from the causeway to time and. And just to remind us, Beach Avenue is the exit. So if you're coming off, if you're coming off Harbor Bridge, the way to get to North Beach is exiting Beach. That's the only way. And then Beach will take you to the peninsula. Reconstructions includes upgrades to signage and pavement markings. There'll be ADA compliant work, stormwater work and sidewalks as well on Beach Avenue. And then you can see to the left a little bit is Gulf Spray Avenue and other east-west roadway on North Beach. This is being improved or reconstructed as well as part of this project. It also will have a multi-use path, pavement markings, and ADA improvements. Also, you can see in the far right before we go to the, actually we're gonna stay on the slide, but on the far right you can see the Eco Park. That is the red hatch marked area. This is an important project that is that came to fruition from community engagement and the state and federal park system. And so the Eco Park is approximately 30 acres of property on the northern end of North Beach. And the Eco Park will include shade structures, access roads, boardwalks, and wetland mitigation as well. So I don't know what happened to the PowerPoint. Yeah, you guys there we go. Okay, because we got to show you several pictures. So these are some pictures here. What I just talked about, you can see roadwork on Gulf Spray Avenue, between Surfside and the beach. And then you can see construction of the sidewalk or boardwalk going over the Eco Park man to the left of that in that dirt area. That's the road Sandbar Avenue is being reconstructed as part of the Eco Park. And then a few more pictures here. This is work right now. These pictures were taken just, I think, last week or so. You can see the bridge that would be under Gulf Spray or the drainage system that would be under the bridge at Gulf Spray. And you can see some finished work that's being done by the contractors. And then these are some great pictures of the Eco Park. And so you can see that beautiful boardwalk there. You can view birds of all different types. There's probably fish in the water as well. There'll be grasses and vegetation that could be viewed as well. The picture to the right is part of the linear park canal. And this is at the northern portion of the peninsula. This is where we'll terminate ultimately into the bay back there. And then this is Beach Avenue reconstruction. Beach Avenue is going to be an important avenue to get to North Beach. As I mentioned, it comes off Harbor Bridge. And so all visitors coming to North Beach if you're coming over Harbor Bridge would use this roadway. So this is an important road. It's being elevated. There's wide sidewalks that are being added. We're reconfiguring the bus stops to make sure traffic flow is better than what it is today. So that was that one big project, 25 million, there's more. And so this next project is East Surfside Boulevard. This is closer towards the Texas State Aquarium. And this was a voter approved bond 2022 project. It's about a $2.4, $2.5 million project when you include design. It's been 100% design and council already awarded the contract to Ortiz Construction, a local firm. We're holding off on the construction until these next couple of weeks. It's been held off just to mitigate the amount of disruption on North Beach by design, by both the community and destinations like the Texas State Aquarium. But there will be a kickoff meeting on the 8th next week to talk about the construction. This next slide shows you the length of it. We're going to advance that. There you go. So the red line shows this $2.5 million project. The roadway is in pretty bad shape. It's one of those roads that has had numerous patches. The work will include new five-foot sidewalks on the road, ADA-compliant ramps, new signage. One of the most significant things is a change in the traffic flow. Right now it's a one-way road, and so based on community input, it will now be a two-way road after the reconstruction and the conversion, making traffic circulation better in this almost in the center of the peninsula and especially leading towards the Texas State Aquarium. And so this next project we want to highlight is one that really came from the community at North Beach and then the city participated as well. The city bought this vacant piece of property many years ago. and it was always envisioned to be a history plaza. And we have several of the phases complete already. We do have though a next phase that I wanna talk to you about. And this phase would be about $400,000 funded through the North Beach TURS. The TURS has approved it. And we're gonna show you on the next slide what will happen here. And so this phase of the project will include a monument entry sign archway to give it more definition. There'll be shade canopies. You can see the blue-green are new shade canopies. There'll be ballers with some rope and some thermoplastic work done on the pavement. You can see kind of to the left. This history plaza, if you haven't seen it before, documents the history of North Beach. Those panels that are under the shade structure has the history over time of North Beach with a lot of photographs and history documentation. This was all done by the local community. And we want to thank Dr. Barbara Welder, Kerry Meyer, Ron Graben, and many other volunteers that assembled all this history. And we put it on these panels. I forget the total number of panels that are there, It's a great way to capture and memorialize the history of North Beach. And so these improvements will continue. The improvements there at that plaza, it's a destination for locals and tourists as well. We're looking forward to this next project of about 400,000. And then, as I mentioned in the beginning, North Beach is North Beach in part because of the Great Beach. It's a really unique view. The waters are tremendous. And like many of our coastal beaches, though, erosion is happening. And so I think it's been over a year since, or maybe even longer, that we began to try to get state money. And we did. And so we have $6.5 million coming from the Texas General Land Office to re-nourish a big section of North Beach. And the grant has been awarded. The next step is to just assign the documents, and also by design we delayed the work to begin so that we could get past the summer season, the tourist season. This shows you in that orange kind of line there, it's 3,500 linear feet, and it's pretty close to a mile as well, of beach re-nourishment. There'll be a total of about 80,000 cubic yards of beach quality sand that will be added to the beach by the Texas General Land Office, and that will provide more beach space, obviously, but also protect the properties along the roadway and in front of the beach. And so this is a great project, and it's one that we'll begin to apply for every two years. So we're on the cycle of every two years. It'll be the rest of the beach or back to this section that we'll apply for. for state money, so the $6.5 million is the state's funds, so that helps us out tremendously. Okay, so if you were to take the Harbor Bridge over to North Beach and you look right, you're going to see a lot of vacant land where the prior bridge used to be. And the state is quietly finishing up the removal process and, more importantly for us reconstructing roads at their expense. The list, you can see here, so if you do right after you come off the new bridge or not even come up, but as you begin to come down the new bridge look to the right. there's a substantial street network that's being reconstructed by text at their expense. If you can go back one slide here, I just want to read off those names. It includes Plum Street, Breakwater Avenue, Seagull Boulevard. There's East and West Surfside Boulevards being reconstructed completely from nothing that was there before. Historic Seagler and Walnut Streets and then a small segment of Bridgeport, Coastal Avenue and Elm Street. This graph here, this next chart shows us an aerial view. All the green, if you look to the left, all the green and the blue is where the bridge footprint used to be. And that's it's all being or has been removed and is being reconstructed. The orange is where the old bridge was. And then on the mainland side, you can see the orange and the green area. But we want to focus on North Beach on this next slide. It's just a pan in view. And so all that blue, those are all streets that are being reconstructed by the state at the state's expense. And that's tremendous for circulation, traffic, mobility, General improvements what has to be decided in the near future once the entire once the entire bridge project is completely done and All the bills are paid the telling us then they'll go through the disposition process. They be in TxDOT and so all those green areas would be up for disposition and the city has to Finalize our plans to see did we want to try to acquire some of that or does the Texas State Aquarium? I want to try to acquire or does the private sector? I want to try to acquire some of that And then the final project here to highlight this morning is our one 81 frontage road mobility project. You've heard many residents come to city council and both at council and the tours. And I think this is the first time I was seeing a decent picture of it, but that red line, uh, you can see kind of in the middle, that is the, the project that, that has been discussed. And so to the far right is, is the lighthouse point, which is a multifamily community. And then to the left of that is called the harbors and that's a single family development. Those folks have no pedestrian accessibility to the beach. If they want to go to the beach or if they want to go to the new linear park canal or go to the eco park, it's real tough to get there because there's no sidewalk. And heavy haul traffic is what they have to try to mitigate. Working with the North Beach community and a grant opportunity that is available, the city will apply and will bring something to City Council on September 15th for a $1.6 million grant to construct that sidewalk so that there'll be connectivity. It'll connect folks from the lighthouse point, the harbors, to Beach Avenue. that will have a brand new sidewalk system and then Beach Avenue you can walk or cycle all the way to the beach if you want to. So about 1 million of the 1.6 million would come from TxDOT and then about 600,000 is going to come from the city in this grant. And the TUR has already approved that with TUR's funding as part of the budget that they recently approved so this will provide a a continuous and accessible pedestrian route along this portion of north beach and provide safer connection for residents and visitors and pedestrians especially at those communities that i mentioned so in closing as we look at this collectively i think it's in excess of 30 maybe 35 and we don't even have the figures for the state so it's probably closer to 40 million dollars of investment in one single area of our community. Last week I mentioned in our park system and the bridge mitigation projects, it's probably the single biggest investment. I think this is one of the single biggest investments in a community, in our city, right here at North Beach. And it addresses very different needs, but collectively they improve drainage, they improve the road system, utilities, a lot of underground utility work is being done for water, wastewater, and gas. It's improving pedestrian infrastructure. It's improving shoreline protection and public spaces. And it's not done by one or two folks. It's done by a lot of different city departments, our contractors. We want to recognize our engineering services department. Uh, Joey Johnson, our assistant director is, I think he's there every day, uh, even on the weekends, working the projects, uh, public works has done a lot parks and recreation, even our Corpus Christi water with some of the line and lift station relocates. And, uh, in our private, uh, private firms, I know LA is here, uh, the, the design firm, uh, we thank them for being here. Uh, I did want to though highlight, especially the North beach community. Uh, because you, especially the city council, we know that, uh, without strong community members, it's really tough to get things done in any community. And, uh, North beach is represented by a very robust community organization. Many of you have gone to their meetings as of I it's called North beach community association. And they have a board of directors, I want to recognize that board this morning that includes Ron graven the President carrie Meyer and my happy Lynn frazier he's on the board. Shelly problem now. Are ariana Jones Dolores Bella Bob can Alano and many patel oh so that's the board of directors, but the association is pretty strong, I think they average 30. PLUS ATTENDEES ANY TIME THEY HAVE THEIR MEETINGS THAT WE LIKE TO GO TO. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO NORTH BEACH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD REVITALIZATION STORY FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR NORTH BEACH. AND WE'LL PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY CONTINUAL UPDATES AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO WITH THAT, MAYOR PROTEM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
Thank you, Mr. Zanoni. Thank you for highlighting such much needed investment and the team's efforts for that North Beach community. It's really spectacular to watch these projects unfold. Council Member Roy.
Peter, great presentation. You know, I wanted to just take a moment. Way back in 2017, 2018, when you first hit the ground running, I THINK WITHIN TWO WEEKS WE WERE OVER CHECKING OUT NORTH BEACH AND MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS AND AS A COUNCILMEMBER FOR THAT DISTRICT IT'S MADE MY LIFE A LOT EASIER BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS THAT WE DID WITHOUT EVERYBODY COMING TOGETHER BUT I WANT TO THANK I SEE SCOTT HARRIS OUT THERE I WANT TO THANK HIS GROUP And he's had so much work that he's put into making sure that we understood the elevation and did all the things that we needed to do to be able to, to hopefully, uh, preserve, uh, North beach and, and city staff, uh, how many days we've, we've basically got out there in golf carts and toured. the area and looked at things in continuous ways to improve. So I appreciate the city staff. I also want to thank the police officers because when I first got involved in North Beach, it wasn't a family environment for the most part. And looking at it today and the work that they've done in terms of policing North Beach and making sure that it's safe has been unbelievable work. And again, the North Beach Community Association, very lucky to have an organization like that that has vision and they listen. And it's nice to have a community behind you when you're trying to do things. Our partners at the Lexington and the Aquarium, you know, the Aquarium is now a world research and emergency preparedness for marine and animals across America. the United States and they continue to grow and we're so proud of that organization. And I want to thank council because this council has worked diligently in supporting North Beach and getting those things happen. And a lot of us were involved. We had the vision of the Grand Canal and then that didn't come to fruition. But we came up with another idea to be able to service the same things. So this council, a lot of times we get caught up on the things that are going on right now. And we forget, and I appreciate this presentation because it makes us remember the hard work that we have done in order to be able to champion that area. The 181 frontage road, there was many nights that I thought, okay, are they going to make me end up being a liar when I say we're going to get sidewalks over there? And I know we work together, so I want to thank TxDOT to be able to make that happen. The safety is so important because of the families and the kids there and not having a way to be able to – across the traffic in a safe way. But the other thing is, again, District 1 is such a unique district that we have the $27 million bridge mitigation project, which is going to change the face of how that area looks in the Williams and Coles area and interfaces with North Beach. So those are things that I'm very proud of that we've been able to accomplish and this council, city staff, and the community as a whole. So because a lot of this was done with bond money and so it takes the community to be able to vote those things in So to the community, I thank each and every one of you so for supporting those projects. Thank you very much Thank You councilman Councilman Barrera Thank You Mary poor Tim.
I you know Peter I a lot of that I won't try to re-echo but you know also there are four council members that serve on this body that were part of the tours and And, you know, that was part of the vision that it ever brought to us in District 1. And I think that's where a lot of those funds come from. I think back then, it was before your time, But in 2019, this council chamber was full of people that were either advocates or against the canal. And, you know, also kudos to Scott and his team because they came up with a compromise to kind of fulfill that vision as much as possible. But, you know, I really want to commend your team, more importantly, at all the matching dollars that you got from either TxDOT, you know, or for the state of Texas. I mean, I'm thinking it's somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $10 million, not counting the stuff from the Harbor Bridge. I mean, the $6.5 million for the beach renourishment, man, you know, the team that worked on that, I mean, that was two grand slams, you know, to get 100% free money. And I just want to say how committed your team is and what a great job that they've done to be able to get us to this point and to serve a community that was really, really underserved. But good job to you and your team.
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Councilman.
Okay. Thank you for that update, Peter. I think that wraps up our questions. That puts us right about at noon. So we will go into Section F, which is our public comment period. Before we begin public comment, I want to remind everyone that the City Council has adopted rules of decorum to help ensure our meetings remain orderly, respectful, and productive. Copies of the rules of decorum are available at the City Secretary's office across the hall and are also available on the City's website. I ask everyone to please conduct themselves accordingly. We are here to do the people's work and we would like to proceed in that spirit. When you come forward please state your name and the city in which you reside before beginning your comments. In-person speakers will have up to three minutes for callers and Webex participants. Corpus Christi residents will have up to three minutes and non-residents will have up to one minute. The timer located at the city secretary's desk will help keep everyone within the allotted time if you have a petition or other materials you would like the council to receive please provide them to the city secretary before you begin speaking and i do want to thank everyone for the last several weeks for the constructive and positive feedback that we've been able to share across the public comments so thank you for that positive participation Our first speaker this morning is Mr. Bradley Bartleson.
Good afternoon, y'all. Brad Bartleson, Corpus Christi. Emotions can be the motivation. Can you stop? We're not showing. There we go. Can you restart? Emotions can be the motivation to advance our understanding. Emotional intelligence is seen in self-checking. This is particularly poignant in a crisis. So have you become desalphobic, aquiferphobic, droughtphobic? Studies find emotions more persuasive than logic. For example, reduce unemployment by 2% is less impactful than understand the struggle of hardworking families and will fight tirelessly to create jobs. Consider in our case, oh, we need drought free. We can't rely on rain anymore. The only option left. We're emotionally wired. to respond to narratives and stories. For example, quote, our candidate's mother struggled to pay for doctor's visits. That's why she's continuing to improve healthcare access. In our case, the narrative and story became that of incompetent leaders failing to act. Fear and hope are emotional drivers. Everyone has been pushed by marketeers with the last minute to take advantage of this opportunity. In our case, we've heard that quote, we become a national spectacle over our inability to decide that we should just do something. Manipulation of emotions can lead to erosion of trust. We see that in the quiet dismantling of Hillcrest, falsified sanity, excuse me, salinity modeling, threatened study members, loss of the city team, and a bloated price without pushback. Triggered emotions can lead us to overly simplified positions, as in I'll pay anything for drought free. Then later stating, well, I didn't mean one hundred dollars more a month or I don't care. I don't fish in the bay or swim. Then exasperated when family comes and it's disgusted over the stink of rotting fish. How do we use our emotions productively that we find in the pursuit of data and logic in evaluating all options on risk, reliability, cost and benefit cost benefit analysis does this bringing forth all the factors of each options in this we look at new water options evaporation control of our excuse me on our lake stands Premier why this well it's free to us as the developer capitalizes on generated power and power is added to our grid. The lake level is maintained. Fishery and recreation improved. Everyone wins. We must have a strategy, capacity, and sales plan. We'll get to 200 million gallons that way. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Bartleson. Stephen Klepper.
Steve Klepper, District 2, Morning Mayor Pro Tem and Council. Transparency, accountability, those are words that I've been hearing from all the candidates. And in fact, the Chronicle's questionnaire for the candidates had that in number three. And without transparency and accountability, we have what we have today, which is a lack of trust in government, a lot of confusion, A lot of conspiracy theories and whatever. Transparency and accountability mean different things to different people. Two examples I'm going to give you and what it means to me. With regard to water rates, we have a major lack of transparency. And this I spoke of on July 28, I think it was, when I showed you a chart that we used back in the 90s, financing the Mary Roads Pipeline and redoing the rate structures. Everybody wants to know who pays does everybody pay their fair share Is one rate class subsidized at another rate class and all of this? You don't find those things out From financial statements you find them out. It's a cost accounting exercise you find out in this case by the city's rate model and for some reason The city, CCW, and our consultants is not willing to show you simple little straightforward charts. Yes, it's a complicated process, but it can be straightforward. Are refineries being subsidized or whoever? And you have to look at rate classes as a whole, not individual customers, because it costs different amounts to serve different categories of customers. My other example is the budget. total lack of accountability so we have transparency and accountability why do i say that well as most of us know the government is not a business the government is a service yet you won't see service levels defined much less measured in anywhere in the budget the budget is not built around levels of service or services it's built around dollars dollars are component But it's really important and I pointed out to various other meetings that the city doesn't provide in the budget performance measures. Yeah there's a lot of inputs but what's happening what's the impact what's the results and what's the effect and in conclusion my opinion. Life would be a lot easier for you and for the public if they had good information if there were more accountability. and more transparency, and I really do think it's up to you, the council, to demand that from the city manager. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Mr. Klepper. Vidal Conde.
Good morning, City Councilor. Good afternoon. I'm here today. Usually, you know, I don't ever read from a script. I usually speak from the heart. And I'm from District 1. And I know today we're kind of in the middle of some crossroads in reference to how we're going to vote for the Inner Harbor. Correct me if I'm incorrect. And so anyway, with that being that I'm in District 1, I have concerns about the construction of that desal plant in the inner harbor. I've been communicating with ID technology, which is the same technological company that is doing the desal at South Padre Island. And they stated that they have never done any type of a desal company or constructed one that is designed for large capacity like we're planning on utilizing it within an inner harbor. They've all been built IN THE EDGE OF LARGE BODIES OF WATER, THE GULF OF MEXICO, WHERE THEY ABSTRACT THE WATER AND THEN RELEASE THE BRINE BACK INTO THE GULF, OKAY? SO THAT IT CAN DISSIPATE WITH THE FLOW OF THE CURRENTS, OKAY? SO NOW, IF WE PLAN ON BUILDING THIS INNER HARBOR PLANT, THIS DESALT PLANT, WE ONLY HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 13 ACRES. AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHEN WE WANT ROOM TO EXPAND, We're only going to end up expanding further and further closer to Hillcrest. That community has already been through enough already. They don't need to be subject to some type of a growth like that. Plus, I think that it's going to be an eyesore right there. And it also releases about 90 decibels into the community. So there's other avenues. Look, a while back, we all got together and we prayed for rain. We got together at Cole Park and our prayers were answered. I THINK THAT'S NOTHING LESS THAN A MIRACLE OKAY AND WHAT I SHOULD WHAT I THINK IS THAT THE FAB FIVE AND I DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYBODY HERE EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO TO DISAGREE AND AGREE BUT I THINK THAT THE FAB FIVE SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND AGAIN PUT A RESET ON THIS PROJECT THERE IS NO RUSH DESPITE THE PRESSURE THAT YOU FAB FIVE ARE BEING ASK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S NO DECISION, AND THERE'S NO PRESSURE. WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING MORE RAIN. WE'RE IN MONSOON SEASON ALREADY. LET'S DO A RESET AND LET'S LOOK AT DOING THIS BARNEY M. DAVIS WHERE IT'S A SAFER LOCATION AWAY FROM THE CHEMICALS FROM THE REFINERIES THAT ARE BEING RELEASED INTO THE INNER HARBOR. NOW, ASIDE FROM Hillcrest, you also have North Beach. North Beach has a lot of great communities, a lot of great leaders. Carrie Myers has her kayaking business there. There's Lexington, as stated earlier, and all these beautiful things going on in North Beach. The last thing we need is from year one or year two, if we construct this desal company, I mean, this desal project in the Inner Harbor, the last thing we need is in year one or year two have dead fish floating around the water. So each one of you has a responsibility to vote no against Inner Harbor. And we can reset it and we can find another location and maybe even less expensive. Vidal Conde, District 1. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Conde. Dale Sotila.
Dale Swetella, District 1, a history of Hillcrest and the Inner Harbor desal. In about 1924, my family moved into Hillcrest, and in 1926, the Port of Corpus Christi was built and opened. In the 1930s, a sewage treatment plant was built in Hillcrest. In the 1980s, refineries expanded all around the neighborhood, and there had been several refinery explosions. Residents sued the refineries and won a settlement to establish a two-block buffer zone between the homes and refineries. Both the city and refineries promised that nothing would ever be built in the buffer zone. And after myself and several other residents said this land would probably be used to put more giant oil tanks. This buffer zone was later used to put refinery offices buildings and now a proposed desal plant. In 2003, the city applied to TCEQ for desal plant discharge permit at the corner of Broadway and Oasis Bay Boulevard, and were given a WQ number on June 5, 2003. Some people don't believe me when I tell them the city was planning this since 2002 or earlier, but that paper I've given you proves that it was, and TCEQ doesn't just hand out WQ numbers very quickly. The top line shows the WQ number that they still use today, the same inner harbor name, and the current location, all the same as today. In 2015 to June of 2019, the Port of Corpus Christi ran a voluntary buyout after scaring residents, telling us the benzene coming off that new harbor bridge would be toxic to us. That program took out about 350 houses. and cheated residents because we didn't know that the city had plans to put a desal plant and the value of land would be worth much more than the chump change of $7,500 for a 50 by 150 foot lot they offered. What's the price of a vacant lot in Kings Crossing today? 2022, city public admits Broadway and North Bay Boulevard and Hillcrest to build the Inner Harbor desal plant. I didn't hear it because I didn't watch the news that day. October 2022, Hillcrest residents and other groups filed a Title VI civil rights complaint against the city and the desal project. The late Reverend Adam Carrington said the city was, quote, sacrificing Hillcrest yet again to support industry's need for additional water. citing the area history of the land as designated industrial buffer zone. HUD investigated and violations were tied to putting the plant in a historical black Latino neighborhood. Closed the probe and two years later reopened it. December 2023, residents held a protest march from proposed plant to Brooks AME's work subsidence. And one last thing, Inner Harbor will only average 20, 24, 25 gallons and all of it will go to Exxon. Not a drop will be used for watering your lawns, like you're told.
Thank you, Mr. Switila. Carrie Meyer.
Good afternoon, City Council. Carrie Meyer, North Beach, District 1. Today, with Peter's great presentation, we got to see the culmination of years of advocacy planning on the city's part, funding, and work. And it's not done yet, but if you go over there, the first place to check is Gulf Spray Avenue. That's the one coming off of the Harbor Bridge shared use path. So pretty soon, I think within a week or two, they're actually going to have that open. So Mark, when you're riding your bike, get on over there and turn on Gulf Spray and you'll get all the way to the Corpus Christi Beachwalk. So all of this really came from the master plan or the development plan and the CIP project list from 2018. And so we'll have Gulf Spray be a prototype for streets as we move into the future because it got elevated as well, meaning with dirt fill and re-sloped and that brought it up out of that that zone where it would often flood. So now I think we're going to see a lot less flooding as it's like three feet or four feet in some places or even a little higher. And, you know, the tides come in at two feet or two and a half. And so it's going to get a lot of stuff up out of the flood zone. And that will make a huge difference. The next thing they're probably going to start on is Beach Avenue. And that is like Peter saying, will be the main entry point for North Beach. It'll be the gateway to our city for many visitors, and it already is. But it doesn't look very good right now. One thing is we have semi trucks parking all along the sides of Beach Avenue. We have RTA buses stopped to pick people up at real inconveniently located bus stops. And that street should be a thoroughfare, should be a quick and easy way to get off of the bridge and off of the frontage road into North Beach and onto our major streets. So I'd like to ask the designers and the council to please remove the semi truck parking and the bus parking for RTA on Beach Avenue. As Peter said, these bond 2018 street projects were folded into the drainage project. And I thought that was a really good idea as well as the eco park, trying to put it all in one big project. And that means you have the same CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT'S DOING ALL THE WORK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE THE WHEEL. THE TERS 4 HAS SUPPORTED THE NORTH BEACH HISTORY PLAZA IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT PARTICIPATED. AND AS WELL AS DISCUSSING A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARDS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL ALSO SUPPORT A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR NORTH BEACH IN ADDITION. just like you've done with the island and the south side. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Meyer. Tony Martinez? Bruce Swatila? Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes, Tony Martinez. Go ahead. Yes.
Good afternoon. Tony Martinez from District 4. I run the Crush Media House, from which we own and manage the Corpus Christi events calendar, and I host a local podcast called Calendar Connections, where we recently sat down with leadership from Corpus Christi FC for an episode about the team, the new sports complex, and what it means for this community. I'm not here today as an investigator. I'm not here to make accusations. I'm here because that episode opened up a set of questions that, in my opinion, this council and this city owe the public real answers to. Since that episode aired, I've learned there are serious concerns being raised, concerns about a warrant issued against the team's ownership during the drought for using water the city itself had authorized for the new fields, concerns about immigration enforcement action against workers connected to that project, and concerns about how and why type B funding, $1.85 million this team was promised and was relying on, was pulled, and whether that decision was influenced from outside the normal process. I want to be careful here. I'm not the source of these concerns. Others tonight or today are better positioned to speak to the specifics, and I'd ask this council to listen closely to them. But I will say this. Concerns have been raised about the mayor's office being connected to these actions, And if there's any truth to that, the public deserves to know it. And if there isn't, the public deserves that cleared up too. I'll also say plainly, in my opinion, What's being described here raises more serious questions than what we saw recently with the downtown hotel situation. That alone should tell you how seriously this needs to be taken. This team, this complex, and the people working there are part of this community's future. They deserve a straight answer from the city, and so does the public. I'm asking this council to open a real inquiry into what happened here, and I'll be watching and reporting on what comes of it. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Martinez. Bruce Switila. I'm so sorry. One second. Yes, sir. Councilman Cantu.
Peter, my understanding that that is going to be on the agenda for next week.
Right. We have a briefing with City Council, an executive session next week.
Okay.
I took a review of everything that took place with the Type B and some of the water issues that were discussed. Okay. It'll be next week at City Council. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Swatila.
Bruce Swatila, Hillcrest, Corpus Christi. There's many ways to tackle our water problem. The newspapers had numerous articles on it, and from President Johnson signing a 1965 bill for desalination research for the whole country and other relief for the northeast sector of the United States to our city councils looking at it for over 60 years. It happens during droughts. Then it rains. Records are forgotten, so we do this dance all over again during droughts. Carlos Truan said as a prophet in March 1985 when he and State Representative Ted Roberts amended each house's Texas water plan bill to include money for desalination, he said, because our area, quote, may face more droughts in the future, unquote. All I want when solutions await is cheapest and quickest. Water for Life Corpus Christi logically presents desalination alternatives with best versus worst value. a group of choices. Some are old, some are newer, like cost-free floating solar panels to prevent evaporation, which takes away millions of gallons of our water. Anchoring those solar panels could be more dangerous, however, because our late Corpus Christi's dead tree killers, they are in fresh water that's not clear beyond about 12 to 18 inches. That's where our agenda item 14 comes into play, as our rescue team's scuba helmets and underwater communications may need to be either borrowed by installers or used to find the poor drowned workers from another killer tree. God willing, we can prevent that. Please vote against desal in Hillcrest, my family's neighborhood, almost 100 years. Thank you, and God bless you all.
Thank you, Mr. Svetila. Incarnacion Serna.
Yes, my name is Incarnacion Serna. I live in Portland, 105 Lost Creek Drive. Telephone number 3619035774 if anybody wants to talk to me. I read the City Council agenda for today. And what caught my attention was item 22 and item 23, referring to certain steps to take for continuing with the desalination project at Inner Harbor. Items 22 and 23 are scam proposals written in vague shysters language to skim money from public funds. That's all it is. Take it from an engineer. What's $77 million? Somebody's wanting $77 million to do a 60% design? I've been in the industry over 40 years, 60% design. You don't do cost estimates until you do 100% design and sizing of whatever it is you want to do. So they want to do a 60%, and then they say demonstrate and verify GPMs. Well, that sounds too vague, too much of shyster language. Now, why do you want to do that? That already has been demonstrated. There are desalination plants out there already completed, finished. And I'll give you those examples. Inner Harbor, Corpus Christi polymer, a plant that was built, never started. It's right there. Companies went bankrupt. I don't know how many, two or three. So you got that. In Brownsville, you got a desalination plant in the ship channel. Built and started, but never stayed on line because they could not overcome the turbulence, the turbidity problem. Too much money invested. They are highly experimental projects with very low yields, very high investments. And for somebody to have picked up that site, Inner Harbor, It's even worse, not to mention how many violations and lack of respect for dignity and the health and the safety of the people that live there, the Hillcrest people. Then there's item 23. In item 23, somebody's wanting $9.5 million to do a cost estimate. He already gave you a cost estimate that you threw in the trash, whatever. An engineering firm, Andura, or Ardura, has an estimate. I think it's very low, but you got the estimates out there. Why do you want to keep on spending money to continue something that is going to be a catastrophic boondoggle? I have a lot more to say. Maybe I'll get another chance later on, because I want to talk about the sighting, and I want to talk about the explosion. that took place in there, August 21st, the 20th. And pipelines buried in there, 53 pipelines, who knows what. And so you're putting an investment in there that is totally asinine. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Serna. Sarah T. Tindall.
Good afternoon. Sarah Tyndall, District 2. I'm here to support your vote today to continue engineering on the Inner Harbor desalination plant. I want to take some time today to remind everyone how we got here because the discussion about our water supply did not begin last year or five years ago. It began more than a decade ago with people from this community trying to answer a very simple question, where will our next reliable source of water come from? In 2012, after the devastating drought and during a period of significant economic growth, local leaders had already been meeting for months about future water supply. The effort was formalized in a regional water planning interlocal agreement. and here's everyone who participated the city of corpus christi the port of corpus christi the san patricio municipal water district south texas water authority water district serving nueces county the cities of alice and mathis beeville water supply district the violet water supply corporation and port industries of corpus christi ccre dc administered the contract with naysmith engineering to help get this local group to evaluate the regional water supply options and develop an implementation plan These weren't the only people who showed up with a predetermined project to sell. That's not the purpose of that group. These were people who lived here, operated our water systems, represented our communities, and employed our residents. And they didn't immediately say build a desalination plant. They looked at alternatives. They looked at surface water. They looked at groundwater. They looked at brackish groundwater desalination. They supported completing phase two of the Mary Roads pipeline. They looked at seawater desalination. In 2013, another local group, the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Task Force, continued that work and included former Texas A&M Corpus Christi President Bob Ferguson, former city manager Bill Hennings, Jim Naismith, the Ports, Frank Brogan, representatives from local industry, and others from A&M Corpus Christi. The recommendation was not desalination at all costs. It was an all-of-the-above-water strategy, and the work continued. There were engineering studies, feasibility studies, and years of analysis. Eventually, the region concluded that seawater desalination could provide something our other supplies could not, a source of water that was not dependent upon rainfall. Even then, nobody simply pointed to a map and chose the Inner Harbor location. More than 19 potential desalination sites were evaluated. Field data was collected for more than a year. And ultimately, the two sites emerged, Inner Harbor and La Quinta. Inner Harbor made sense because it was close to existing infrastructure. close to the area of greatest demand. That is a process that began locally in 2012 and continued for years. So today, when we talk about stakeholder engagement, I think we need to remember that history. Stakeholder engagement did happen. It happened extensively. It involved communities, water providers, industry, engineers, universities, and local government. And importantly, it was led by people who had a long-term stake in the future of this region. In recent years, organizations and voices from outside our region have become increasingly involved in this debate. They certainly have the right to participate, but their participation should not erase more than a decade of work by the people who actually live here. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Tindall. Bianca Perez. Fatima Gerarashidi.
I recently attended a See Youth Rise Up advocacy training event. Such events offer a platform for youth who want to protect the ocean and are interested in spreading new ideas that can work for our home that we call Earth. My fellow peers and I do not want industrial greed and continued expansion to ravage our land, water, and rob us of our future. We know the effects that oil and petrochemical plants have on the environment. I've mentioned before several times that big industry expansion is the main issue that has everything to do with the proposed desalination plant. Yet, a desalination plant has never been located in a mostly closed bay. To make things worse, the proposed desal plant would be located in a neighborhood, willingly disregarding the residents of Hillcrest who are already separated only by a buffer zone from the refineries. I've already said previously that the Farfield study did not provide the evidence needed for proof that the desalination plant would not harm the Bay. It talked more about salinity levels rather than the impact of marine organisms. I actually know scientists who have looked over the Farfield study and have said this would not be good for the Bay. Let's ask ourselves this question again. Why are we in this problem? Big industry has been depleting our water supply for years, perpetuating our drought because we had sold to them water that we do not have, and still the proposed desalination plant would indirectly provide water for them. I acknowledge that some companies are using recycled wastewater, and I hope they continue finding alternative solutions. Thankfully, we are on stage one drought restrictions. Yet, their continued expansion and reliance on our water has been the cause of our persistent drought. In essence, we are treating the symptoms rather than the disease. Thank you, and God bless you and your families.
Thank you, Ms. Girarashidi. Miriam Girarashidi.
Hello, thank you for the opportunity for me to speak to you today. My name is Miriam Guerra-Rashidi, and I reside in District 1. I would like to reiterate what I've said previously at other meetings. We are all in this together. I am good friends and have many family members who support industry and the Inner Harbour desalination plant, and they have their reasons. They rely on jobs that refineries provide. I truly get it. This is why I stayed away from fighting for our bays for years. I didn't want to ruffle any feathers. But last year I decided to take a side for the sake of protecting what remains of our city's natural beauty. for the natural habitats of animals with whom we share our earth, for the sake of our bays, which directly affect the healthy balance of our estuaries, for the future of our children. All this being said, I don't want to ramble on. We must give a resounding no to desalination in our inner harbor. Thank you, and God bless you and your families.
THANK YOU, MS. GUERRA RASHIDI. RON GRABIN. JAKE HERNANDEZ. MS. REBECCA, DID YOU GET THAT? I THINK HE MAY BE JOINING US VIRTUAL.
OKAY, MR. HERNANDEZ. OKAY, GOT IT.
CHLOE TORRES ON THE ITEM. OKAY. Arman Alex.
Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. My name is Armand Alex. I'm a lifelong resident here of Corpus Christi and a proud member of the Corpus Christi Democratic Socialists of America. We are one of the fastest growing chapters in the United States. Here's a reality check for folks. People in Corpus Christi are watching their every dollar. We're conserving water, we're paying more for groceries, more for housing, electricity, for insurance, and increasingly more for our water. And yet somehow when industry wants to expand, working people are told that we have to accept that debt. And we have to live with those consequences. That's incredibly backwards. Our economy should provide for human needs. Human beings should not be organized around the needs of an economy built on endless industrial expansion. And now the city's own presentation shows where that kind of logic leads. Nearly a billion dollars for phase one of Inner Harbor desalination, followed by a proposed expansion that brings the regional project concept to somewhere between 3.6 and 4.2 billion dollars. Tell me how that's what's best for the pocketbooks of working class people here in Corpus. You're being asked to advance the 30 million gallon Inner Harbor plant today while being shown a future phase two that expands production to 80 million gallons builds more pipelines and moves the discharge to the Gulf, that project isn't even what you're voting on today. So if moving the discharge out of the Inner Harbor is supposed to make this proposal more acceptable, then don't use this hypothetical future project to sell us the current project that still has the same problems today. We're asking you... not allow this process to continue on for another loop we've been before staff advises councils will consult but you were elected to actually decide make the decision you have an opportunity to put the final nail in the coffin of inner harbor desalination and show voters that when affordability and industrial growth come into conflict, you know who you work for, and that's the people of Corpus Christi. We do not have to keep choosing between corporate expansion and household security, between industrial growth and healthy communities. We can actually build a city where development serves the people instead of asking the people to serve unchecked development. vote no on items 22 and 23 and ditch Inner Harbor desalination or make a motion to postpone indefinitely plans for the Inner Harbor desalination plant so that we can actually move forward, move on and focus on democracy and affordability and something that actually works for the people. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Alex. Amanda Breland. Jared Suarez. It's good to see you walking, Mr. Swartz.
Jared Swartz, District 2. Council Members Vaughn, Hernandez, Campos, Vareta, Mayor Pro, Tim Paxson, Council Members Roy, Scott, Cantu. I respectfully ask for your nomination and vote to serve on the Corpus Christi Type B Board. I believe public service is about responsibility, accountability, and putting the citizens of Corpus Christi first. Serving on this board means accepting the trust and scrutiny that comes with overseeing the people's hard earned tax dollars and making sure those dollars are protected from fraud, waste, and abuse. When we are entrusted with taxpayer money, we have an obligation to ask questions. Is this a responsible investment? Does it truly benefit our community? And can we look taxpayers in the eye and explain why we supported or opposed it? If appointed, I will do my homework. I will study the numbers, listen to all sides, ask difficult questions when necessary and make independent decisions based on what I believe is best for Corpus Christi. My vote will not be influenced by pressure, politics, intimidation, or personal interests. I have literally stared death in the eyes. I served our country in the Army and in combat in Afghanistan. That experience taught me courage, duty, and what it means to serve something greater than yourself. Before this council, before the people of Corpus Christi, and before Christ our Lord and King, I give you my word. I will serve with integrity and will not be bought. I am simply asking for another opportunity to serve, not in combat arms this time. but in protecting taxpayers' hard-earned money, demanding accountability, and working to ensure that what is fair is fair. Give me the opportunity to serve this city, this community, and I will bring accountability, fiscal responsibility, and a voice for the taxpayers to every meeting. I respectfully and humbly ask for your nomination for the Type B Board. September is the National Suicide Awareness Month, a month that is near and dear to my heart. May we include in our prayers that those who are in contemplation of taking their own life may seek help, come to know the love of God. Don't forget to pray your daily rosary and go to Latin mass at the corner of Carolina and Gallagher. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Suarez. Captain Dave Heasley.
The Ballard Pits is a 296-acre state Superfund site. It's located about 5 and 1 half miles outside of Cal Allen, Robstown, right on the Nueces River. For years, it was a toxic waste dump for refinery and oil-filled chemicals, acids, phenols, PCBs, all kinds of waste disposal. Soil and groundwater were found to contain soil and groundwater, were found to contain hazardous substances, including volatile and semi-volatile organic compounds, heavy metals, PCBs, I mentioned that, and TPHs, which is total petroleum hydrocarbons. It's still an open Superfund site, but Y'all decided to drill four of our city water wells right on top of it, didn't you? And then you had those water wells pumping into the Nueces River, didn't you? And then not long after that, arsenic levels started spiking in Robstown water. It wasn't being reported in Corpus Christi water. There's no way it couldn't have been. Now you want to put a billion dollar inner harbor desal? project on these citizens, you want to pull their drinking water out of the Corpus Christi ship channel, petrochemical ship channel. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of all different types of chemicals have been spilled in that channel over the years. Less than 75% of those chemicals have been recovered. They don't know where the rest of it went. I have a good idea where it went. We have four refineries here that make asphalt. Nearly all of South Texas is completely covered in limestone-based materials that we use for road-based materials. And we still have shitty streets all over the city. You want us to trust you with a billion dollars of our money and then three more billion down the road? to put this Inner Harbor desal plant in. You want to put it in the backyard of people that have been for years crucified by industry and they finally got a break. And now you want to take that away from them? Several city councilmen invest in data centers. And then you stand in this room and you lie to people. You lie to these people and you tell them that they're not going to use water. They only need a two-inch line. Once they fill the data center, they're not going to use any water. But you do not tell the people that the power plant down the road is going to need an eight-inch line to make up water to their cooling towers to supply power to these data centers. You're being dishonest with these people. And it's going to stop. And it's going to stop today.
Thank you, Captain Heasley. Councilwoman Vaughn.
Mr. Sinoni, I've had a couple of calls about the Ballard pits, and I looked it up. They actually existed. So can we get a report on where we are, if we are on top of them, or where we are? I don't know if you know the answer now, but on the next council meeting, could you let us know that?
Yeah, we can let you know, Councilwoman.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you, Peter. Mr. Follow-up?
Good afternoon, guys.
Ready?
Thank you. So I have a speech about your policy manual, the Corpus Christi policy manual. But first, we had a citizen up here September 23rd, 2025. His name is HBO Matt. He got up here and had a speech. He said verbatim, fuck your decorum and fuck your mayor. Then this council had him escorted out under force, gunpoint, by the cops who took an oath to the Constitution to protect his very word. Every single one of you up there took an oath to the Constitution. Not one of you hit that pretty little green light and said, statement of fact, he has the right to criticize the government. So either you don't care about the Constitution or you're all cowards, one of the two. 10 months later, what happened? Corpus Christi, Texas arrested this man for that speech 10 months ago. He's gonna win. So what will happen is you're going to waste his time. He's got to pay for all this and he's going to get it all back from the citizens sitting behind me for criticizing the government and piece of shit cops like this are going to come right up here and do it again every single time because he's a traitor. And y'all allow that. I expect y'all to fix it. If not, y'all keep getting sued and I'll help everybody that comes up here and criticizes the government and they come after you. You call me. Fuck them. I reviewed Corpus Christi's policy manual for the police. 111 pages he gave me out of 600 and something. Do you know why? Why would you have to block data off of a policy manual? Shouldn't the citizens know what's in the policy manual for these cops to adhere to? He's blocking me. He's trying to go through the AG. But out of the 111 pages, he's basically telling him that cops, I don't really give a shit about you, but other cops, You're not allowed to go to the courts and say that you need a protective order without getting the chief's permission. That's a constitutional right violation. Let's think about that for a second. I'm going to get hurt and killed, but I got to get the chief of police's permission to go get a court order to protect it. Because that guy's not going to protect you. You know it, right? Employees can face restrictions on communication, such as photos, pictures, videos, and speaking. They're not allowed to criticize. That's a First Amendment right violation. They're allowed to talk and praise Corpus Christi, but if they criticize it, gotta get the chief's permission. Think about that one too. So who is this negative to? The chief, the city manager? What happens if the negative information is true? Are they not allowed to talk about it? Who cares about their First Amendment? How do you expose misconduct if they're not allowed to talk about it? Maybe that female officer that was there when Officer Martinez beat that woman and the chief still hadn't came clean about that one. Maybe she wanted to say something, but she wasn't allowed to unless Chief Merkel let her. I don't know. I got to skip some of this, but that's okay. I'll be back to talk about it. I just want you to know that the First Amendment is protected by speech. It protects criticism, petitioning the government, et cetera. You earn public trust by making the government worthy.
Thank you, Mr. Falwell. Mark Munster.
Mark Minster, District 4. Starting off because it's this week, Art Walk, there should always be enough funding to close the streets. Whenever there's less streets closed, it's really obvious and it makes for a sucky Art Walk whenever you're waiting for the cars to pass. And for some other things that are funded, there should always be funding for that, something that you can't measure the value of money, of the enjoyment. One of the nicer events in Corpus, So yeah, and then I just want to say the damage that's being done by our suspended mayor is clear. It's clear examples of corruption and how wealth and money is able to indirectly control and exercise their power in our so-called democracy, in our council format. And I think it's clear that this form of democracy is failing. It's not representing regular people's interests. And I'm going to save my thoughts for Inner Harbor after the presentation. But it's clear with how our city staff recommends projects and how they allocate funding that they are not working for the interests of regular people. And they're working for the interests of those with money that already have power that are protecting the status quo. our government should be working for the people. And more and more people are going to come as they're realizing that that's not the case. And you're not going to be able to stop that from people just realizing what's happening. And it's obvious at all levels of government.
Thank you, Mr. Munster. Alida Vasquez. Yes.
Hi, Elida Vazquez, District 3. In my opinion, it is a waste of taxpayer money to be here once again to kill Inner Harbor desalination. The people of Corpus Christi were successful in convincing their elected representatives to vote against a false solution for a manufactured water crisis, and yet here we are. It's very telling that the proposal for this desal disaster was updated yesterday with some pretty outrageous numbers. The price tag for this plant has ballooned to at least 3.6 billion. Last year's price tag was 1.5 billion, just to remind you. They heard our concerns about the brine being piped out far enough, but do not have a permit for the pipeline. Who's to say that they actually construct it? They say that they can put out 80 MGD, but their current permit says only 30 MGD. Industry does not do for us what it once did, and industry does not do for the people what it does for some of your pockets. We are lucky to get 80 jobs from a new industry in town compared to the 800 or more that they used to bring. They're not going to pick up their sprawling plants and leave. And why should the citizens of Corpus Christi that already suffer from health problems caused by the pollution of local industry have to foot the bill for their excessive water usage? The people are tired of following water restrictions while industry continues to guzzle down our water. Valero and Flint Hills have worked on wastewater reuse. Why can that not be asked of other companies? Why hasn't every avenue been explored before investing even an ounce of money into a plant that we do not have the funds for? We are already in debt and are short quite a bit of funds for next year's budget. It will cost 35 to 50 million a year just to maintain and operate the plant. And who's gonna foot that bill? the people. Why is Inner Harbor desalination the only resolution to some of you? We asked for so long why the Mary Rhodes pipeline wasn't being utilized and now it comes to light that the lakes were drained rather than utilizing that water? Was it done purposely to push desal through? I gotta tell you, I think so and I am not alone. The facts of the matter are as follows. Far field studies have not shown enough evidence to say that this plant would not harm the bay. there's been more than enough time to produce a complete far-field study since the last time this item was on the agenda we need to see the permit for the pipeline before the plant is constructed to guarantee that the brine will be piped out far enough the permit needs to correctly reflect the output of the plant it was previously set at 30 mgd but was updated yesterday to 80 mgd there are much cheaper options that would put out more water the barney davis option is in the right place to disperse the brine so TODAY I ENCOURAGE YOU PLEASE VOTE AGAINST ADVANCING THIS FALSE SOLUTION.
THANK YOU, MS. VASQUEZ. REVEREND HENRY WILLIAMS.
MAYOR PORTILLO, CITY COUNCIL MEN AND WOMEN, CITY MANAGER, CITY SECRETARY. I would like to speak to item number 22 when it comes up on the agenda later on today. I would like to speak concerning the importance of faith and the importance of prayer. With regard to the drought situation that we were having, two prayer meetings were initiated at Cole Park. one on April 17th, the other on July 8th. Ministers and pastors came together to pray for our city, for our state, and for this nation. And we prayed for, indeed, that the drought would be broken. The drought was broken because we prayed We must, in our city, understand and know who we are as a people. We are the body of Christ. We must make our decisions based upon our faith in God and Jesus Christ. Then we will become a successful people, a successful city, and our neighborhoods would be lifted and built to what they should be. Whether it happens to be North Beach, or whether it happens to be Hillcrest, or Molina, or even Ocean Drive, we must see ourselves as a people, a people of faith, a people indeed who can come together and solve their problems. by seeking common solution in faith. And we must be a people of faith. 2 Chronicles 7.14 says, if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. This is what we're asking him to do. Thank you.
Thank you, Reverend Williams. Hannah Leach.
good afternoon my name is Hannah Leach from District 2 and I'm going to tell you why I oppose the desalination plants and why you should too In case you haven't noticed, it has been getting hotter and hotter, not just in Corpus, but all over the world. Just this week, Nepal suffered a glacier breaking off a mountain and creating this cement river that ruined everything and everyone in its path. There are homes that are gone forever. There are thousands of souls taken away from us. That was preventable and I cannot be told otherwise. Not with what our scientists have been telling us for decades, not with what they've been pleading and begging for their lives. Climate change doesn't need you to believe in it in order to exist. Humans are not a disease on this world. I don't believe that. I don't believe that all people are bad because the natives before us who lived here, they cared for this place. They cared for the land and they stewarded this land for thousands of years before colonialism. They loved the land like family. And I believe that humans are not the problem, exploitation is. And that's what desalination is really. It's not going to give the people water, it's going to give the corporations water. And you guys know that in your hearts. They want water for profit, not for the people. I'm annoyed by people who either denied climate change altogether or say, well, it's too late for us because there's nothing we can do anymore. What a privileged position it is to be able to give up, to throw responsibility away. If you are not Christian, you can tune me out. That's fine. But if you are, I do want to ask, who do you think you are to sit back and ignore this? What has the Creator told us about His nature? I am the God of the orphan and the oppressed, the God of the widow. And now here are the widows and the orphans. They're begging for their lives because it is getting hotter and it is getting awful. If God were to ask you, Christians, fellow Christians, what did you do to take care of my creation? And you say, sorry, there was, sorry, God, there was money on the table. Sorry, God, the corporations, they would get mad at me if I didn't listen to them. I'm not cherry picking the Bible right now. I'm just not worshiping money because you cannot have two masters. You cannot serve God and money at the same time. I'm not worshiping the idol that is capitalism. Vote no to the Inner Harbor desalination.
Thank you, Ms. Leach. Scott Barraza.
Good afternoon, Scott Barraza. Y'all asked why I want that mitigation plan and writing so bad? Accountability. It's not my idea. It's not my want. It is my wish, but it's not my wish imposed upon you. It's a requirement, not an option. In five to ten years, staff will likely be gone. The council will be different. We need written guidance to reference for all parties. Currently, we're being slapped on the back and told we're covered. Are we? In March, I met outside council chambers with Nick and he took some notes. We met again more formally in June. And again, more notes were taken by Nick. Met again in July and nothing more was said about the plan, just data sharing. No notes or outline was ever shared with us. Nothing to show work was being done on it. Now we're being told by Nick that it's the Aquifer Storage District's responsibility to form and manage it. However, CCW is CCASRCD. Esteban Ramos is the Assistant Water Resource Director. He's also the district general manager. He's regulating himself, literally, and it shows. Why is CCW avoiding the rules put forth by the district? Why is the district not enforcing them? Is it because of self-regulation? At the meeting to approve those permits, the district made it clear that it's CCW's responsibility to form the plan. It's not the district's responsibility. But since it's one and the same as CCW, does it even matter whom at this point we point the finger at? It'll be city staff that writes it regardless. So why hasn't one been formed yet? Back to your word, we'll be taken care of. Why should we trust you? We were told the wells were temporary. Now at stage one, they're still pumping with no signs of slowing down. Peter told everyone that the groundwater is why we could move to stage one. Is that why we have groundwater? So people can water their yards now? We are told no more new wells, and then the ERF came about. Even when 54 people contested those permits, you're still moving forward with drilling. Yes, 54 people contested it. Those permits are not postponed, like Nick says. They are contested. But just like Evangeline, y'all keep moving forward before any cases are settled. Are you planning on running over all the rural residents? Because it sure sounds like it. The district would not have included that mitigation plan if they did not expect to actually need it. We're constantly being told about the responsibility to the ratepayers when it comes to mitigation approvals. What about your responsibility to the environment and rural communities who depend upon that groundwater, the ones who are bearing the consequences of your actions? Why are we an afterthought here? Your actions prove you don't care about us. So tell me again why we should not hold the city accountable and just take you at your word, especially when your word has proven to be worthless. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Barraza. Councilman Hernandez.
You know, I've been hearing Scott come and say this a few times and we have not seen anything. What I'd like going forward is if this if this can't be provided, then it might be something the council votes on to move forward. So if you can put this on the agenda for the next for one of the next two meetings for us to discuss and maybe even vote on the policy, I want to make sure that we're being good neighbors and we're not just taking
that there is some assurance for them to you know something does happen to them we do help with mitigation okay so like i said if if ccw is not doing it we'll we'll need to do it ourselves okay i hear you on that one and i just didn't want to mention that we are reducing pumping at the well fields so we're going to six mgd this week um the team's working on that now so i just want to make sure i make that okay thank you
Councilman Vaughn. The same thing because we brought it up last week about the mitigation plan and also putting some of them on this board. And I was hoping that within the week we could get an update. And we do know that there is a well that did drop. We know that because I called that in. And so I'd like to have an update on that because that's a big concern for us because we told them we wouldn't keep drilling and we keep doing it. and our word has to be worth something. We have plenty of water. I do not understand why we're doing this. So I'd like an update, council.
Julian Hernandez.
I was hoping you wouldn't call my name after him. Julian Hernandez, District 3. I just got a few outline notes, but the main thing is the corruption. Roland looks up on that one. The corruption, when do we stop as a city? For those that are listening on the web, via internet, those folks out there, If anybody's for Inner Harbor, they're corrupt. They're eating from that fruit of that tree. Yes. I'm so glad to go out there and petition with some of these folks to bring the Fairwater Amendment to the people for the voters. And then there's more corruption to try to stop it. And it's, I don't know, I've heard that we got desensitized to it, but enough is enough. With social media and everything out there, folks do not get desensitized to it. Have it stop. And those that are for it, they're part of that tree, the bad tree. These streets and everything else that the more they build, I don't know if they're getting kickbacks. They just want to try to build all the streets and everything else. And I've talked about it before, the foundations, the subgrade and everything else. But it's just it's in a bad way. And we're doing so much. And then we have to hire more people just to keep up with these things. And that's not how we're supposed to just throw money away. And then I see on the agenda that we're raising property taxes. But when I did my property taxes this year, we heard from the Texas that, hey, we're lowering property taxes. But my land value doubled. And I went to argue it. And they brought my value of the home down. But they didn't change the land value. There was one time I was here, there was a lady that griped at me. I would assume she was part of the crony of the mayor. I looked up her land value because she gave her name and she gave her address. And my house is an R2. Hers is an R5. And she was paying less taxes than I was. And I brought that up to the, whatchamacallit office over there, and they said, well, we don't know how that is. An R2 to R5 house. And she's paying less. I'm from Motown. She's from the south side over here. And I wonder why that is. It's just the corruption. Stop the corruption and vote no.
Thank you, Mr. Hernandez. Sarah Dolson.
Hello, Sarah Dolson, District 2. This is my third time taking off work to give public comment about this. It's still terrifying to come up here and talk about it, but what's more terrifying is knowing that we're still having to fight off an Inner Harbor desalination plant in the Hillcrest neighborhood. This time I thought I would remind us about a tidbit from the past. Back in the 70s, ExxonMobil hired a team of scientists to test the impact of the oil industry on the environment, and they actually quite accurately predicted human-caused global warming. But then they did something pretty nefarious and hid their findings from the public. They even went as far as planting the seed that global warming was a hoax because they didn't want their profits to be interrupted. And then in 2015 when it was discovered that they misconstrued their findings, dozens of cities, counties, and even states began to sue. But not us. We decided it would be a good idea to let that same company team up with another company from Israel and open Gulf Coast Growth Ventures here in 2018, a petrochemical company that needs an insane amount of water to run. We are already seeing terrible human-made global warming events like what happened in Nepal last week. Over 1,000 people died. With Corpus being a leading oil exporter, awful events like this can be directly linked back to our city. Everything's connected. We have a moral obligation to oppose this desalination plant, not just for Hillcrest or for Corpus, but for everyone around the world. What we decide here affects lives everywhere. There has to come a point where we finally come together and decide it's time to stop expanding industry. When they are strong-arming our city to provide them with more water, putting us in debt and causing even more pollution, that should be a wake-up call for all of us. And to the same point of Mark Munster's comment, when you consistently put industry's needs first, you create passionate people in the community who are going to push back. So for a few of you, I guess thank you for helping to fuel people into caring enough to into acting. Hopefully we can make Corpus a more beautiful place to live. Please vote no to desal and put people first. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Stolson. Alejandro Chavera. Kimberly McIntosh.
Hi, Kimberly McIntosh, District two, and I'd like to say, first of all, thanks for stopping having to say our addresses on this, because last time I came up here and I said my address, I got a lot of stuff happening to my house, and I did not appreciate that. So very much thank you for that. I am and remain an unmarried widow of a 100% disabled veteran. This is the only city, the only county, and the only state since my husband died that I have to pay property tax. I went to try to find out because I came up here once before and spoke. Unfortunately, Mr. Zanoni has left, but he was here when I did that. And he said, oh, we'll get you some help. I'm still waiting. Five years, still waiting. Inner Harbor. We voted that thing down three times. What is wrong with you people? Kill it. Just kill it. Stop spending money on it. This far field study you started out is going to be what? $50,000 turned into $300,000. Dear Jesus. And you want us to approve you to have a billion dollars to play with? I think not. Your trust is gone. People. Absolutely. 100% gone. Okay, this type B and the Corpus Christi football club, we're watching that. And we know what the mayor did. And you guys need to pull her back. Because you think the last lawsuit was bad, the next one's going to be way worse. You people really have got to get a hold of that woman. Okay. Bill Witt, the soccer field. If those potholes get any bigger on that soccer field, they're going to eat my SUV. Not a small car, an SUV. One guy busted a tire out there. It's not which pothole you want to fix. It's which one's the least amount of damage to your car. And it's not that I haven't turned it in because I have. Last time you guys messed with something to do with my grandkids, I, it was like Ozo park. You remember how many spam calls you are spam emails you got from that? You let me do that again with bill wit. Can we get that parking lot? The potholes filled up at least the ones that are knee deep. It's ridiculous. I thought, oh yeah, they build bill with pool. They'll fix this parking lot. You didn't, it was literally across the road. Dear Jesus. What does it take? Let's see what else? Oh, Governor Abbott made a very good comment this week. He said, for data centers to be good neighbors, they need to bring their own electricity and their own water. I say that's the same for industry, all of them. Valero, you want water? You bring your own damn water, OK? We're tired of it. We're not paying anymore. Don't come back to me for a raise on my water rate until you people are there paying exactly what I'm paying for water, not a penny less. I'm done. And I have a lot of money and a lot of time. You don't mess with old people. We have nothing but money and time. And we'll make your lives freaking miserable. And I'm just getting started. Have a good day, folks.
Thank you, Ms. McIntosh. Mr. Rodriguez, could we follow up on the pothole situation?
Yes, ma'am. I think Councilman Hernandez has a comment.
Councilman Hernandez. Yes.
SO YES, STATEMENT OF FACT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE POTHOLES. WE DO HAVE A BOND PROJECT FOR THIS TO REDO THAT PARKING LOT AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THERE. IT'S STILL IN DESIGN. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY DONE. BUT IT IS, IT WAS A BOND PROJECT. WE ARE WORKING ON TO GET IT DONE. IT'S JUST WE'RE A LITTLE SLOW. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET I KNOW WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION ON THE BOND PACKAGES AND PROJECTS. WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY COVER THEM DURING THE BUDGET, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, IT'S SOMETHING WE IDENTIFIED AND WE PUT IN THE BOND 2024 PACKAGE. IT'S JUST MOVING VERY SLOWLY. THANK YOU.
AND MR. RODRIGUEZ, I'VE ASKED IF MY TEAM CAN GET WITH MS. MCINTOSH AND ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU PLEASE ENSURE THAT SHE GETS A GOOD REPORT ON THE STATUS OF THAT PROJECT?
YES, MA'AM, WILL DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Jennifer Gracia.
Good afternoon, City Council and Mayor. Thank you for having me today. I'm on my lunch break again. Today my comment is one, a thank you to the City Secretary's office for working with me this past week, or last week when I thought my dreams of running for City Council were shattered, but they were revived. Thank you to the City Secretary's office. We're working together to be the first write-in candidate in Corpus Christi city history, because it's been in county. So I need you all to remember the name, Jan Gracia, please. Okay, just a quick little plug. But more importantly, the reason why I am here is to, again, please vote no to Inner Harbor. We know there's a gravy train somewhere and not all of us are on it. FOR THE ONES THAT ARE THIS IS JUST SELF-SERVING AT THIS POINT AND I'VE ALREADY COME UP HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES I'VE HAD FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES COME UP HERE AND IT JUST IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A NO AND IF YOU WANT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT WILL FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE FOR THE WIN WRITE GEN GRACIA IN THANK YOU THANK YOU MISS GRACIA JENNY CROSS
Good afternoon, council members. As always, thank you all for wanting to serve and for doing this job. I know it's not always appreciated, but I think you know why I'm here. I'm here representing the United Corpus Christi Chamber of Commerce and our membership, and we encourage you all to support the Inner Harper project. You all have done due diligence examining other opportunities and alternative sources, and that's all fine and good. but it's getting down to the wire and I think it's time to move forward with the project. Thank you for your time.
Thank you, Ms. Cross. Jessalyn Dixon.
Hi. My name is Jessalyn Dixon, and I'm a resident of rural Nueces County in Robstown. My home as a crow flies is less than five miles from the nearest well. I came here today to ask some questions that I feel like need to be answered clearly. This is why I have printed them off for you to be able to read and remember them to ask. I also came to give you another face to think of when you're making decisions on groundwater. Mr. Barraza comes every week and does a great job But I think the thought of a normal family gets lost. You don't think of us out there. So I wanted you I wanted you to come and see a different just a different perspective. So when do you see someone different that your actions are affecting the actions you have made have already impacted the health of my family. not by being able to drink water from our well, which we were able to do before pumping started. A little personal testimony. My husband has to get a physical done for work every year. And this year in April, his liver enzymes were through the roof that they immediately sent him to get ultrasound done, which showed his liver was okay. Sent him home and said to retest in a month. The only thing we changed was not drinking our well water from our fridge, which has a filter. But In just a month from not drinking our well water, his liver enzymes were back to normal. So we've lived there for over four years. He gets tested every single year. So this is a direct impact from these wells being drilled. I am a Texas A&M graduate and our moral code we live by by Aggies is Aggies do not lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those that do. So this is why I'm here to speak to you today. The concept rule of capture was codified by the drafters of the rule never imagined industrial amounts of water to be delivered off site when wells were drilled. That was created for farmers and ranchers to be able to use for a precious resource to supply commodities, which we use for everyday life. I really urge you to read the parable told in Matthew 25 verses 14 through 30, a master and his three servants. Many have prayed for rain, and it is not used wisely. It can be taken away. If you were in my shoes and lived in rural Nueces County and your water was being depleted or contaminated, what would be your solution?
I would like to read some of the questions I have for you with my remaining time.
With the Inner Harbor desal potentially coming, what do you have... What do you have to have groundwater for as well? Wouldn't the desal plants production be more than the city's supply and demand, even with industrial growth coming? Isn't it enough that there isn't a plan to stop groundwater production once the desal is built? We can skip to number five. I understand that there was a large... But from this impact, everybody talks about financial things. We've had to spend hundreds of dollars a month to buy water for our household, just to drink for my daughter, myself. and i i mean pregnant seven months so i mean mitigation plan really needs to think about that impact as well i can send my bill for the water that the water treatment that we just bought for our house if that's part of your mitigation plan but that's also something to think of for all of us out there in rural nueces county thank you thank you miss dixon councilman vaughn mr rodriguez i think i asked in the last meeting were we testing the water out there
I would have to double check, Councilwoman. Okay, well, let me ask this. I'll double check and get back to you.
Because she's saying something's wrong with the water. I don't know if she would let you. I actually know her. But is it possible that we could test her water if she would allow that and see what is going on?
Yeah, I believe so.
That's what we should be doing now anyway. And I know that some of them have not come forward because they want us to do the mitigation plan first. But we should be trying to get the ones out there that they'll let us test, test. And if she's willing to do that, I wish the city would.
We'll look into it and get back to you. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.
Whitney Chapman.
Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Whitney Chapman, D5. I'm speaking on behalf of Corpus Christi Football Club, the Sharks professional team. We have a USL1 professional soccer team right here in Corpus Christi. When I asked people locally if they knew we have something like this, I received so many shocked and surprised faces. So many don't know or simply haven't heard about this amazing investment in our community. Nationally, there are 17 USL1 teams competing this season, and CCFC is one of them. We are currently 10th place in standings and will likely finish in the top eight that ultimately advance to the playoffs. These stats are highly impressive for the team's premiere season. Getting to this point has had its fair share of obstacles, one being an unfinished soccer stadium on Old Brownsville Road. The stadium sits untouched and overgrown, waiting for renewed permitting. In the meantime, the CCFC Sharks have had to utilize CCISD's cabinist field. The team needs support from both the community and the city. The team has already brought revenue to the city by holding games here, which can be a great economic booster. The games are held weekly where people can come and watch or even stream live on ESPN+. We would love to have the stands filled and give the support that CCFC deserves. The players, coaches, and staff have been showing up week after week, regardless of circumstances. As neighbors, residents, and fans, we need to show up and support. We need community buy-in to be able to complete this stadium and make it fully functional. We are very lucky to have a professional soccer team in Corpus. Community and council, let's play as a team. So when the Corpus Christi Sharks win, so do we. Go Sharks!
Thank you, Ms. Chapman. M. Gonzalez. Isabella Riza. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes, Mr. Gonzalez.
Hi. I'm Gonzalez. I've spent most of my life here in Corpus. which means I did grow up, spend my adolescence feeling like we had a water boil every few months. Mismanagement of water is not new to me. But this is ridiculous, really. Just a second. We have seen more and more industry expansion, more and more pull on our resources. We've been in a drought now, I hope you noticed. Manufactured drought caused by industrial greed and municipal corruption mismanagement at the most optimistic. Why doesn't anyone trust our local government? Because we have seen time and time again that they have always chosen industry over people, money over people. Your constituents, by the way, your constituents have voted against this Inner Harbor desal plant multiple times at this point. Our time has been wasted. Our water has been wasted. I'm still a student here. I'm still young, I like to think. And I was hoping to continue to live here, maybe raise a family at some point. I'm not going to if this city continues to be riddled with pollution, corruption, et cetera. And no one is more corrupt than city officials that sell us out to industry, sell our water, which we need to live to pollution makers. We are entering a climate apocalypse that is affecting the entire world. We are not exempt from this. We are a part of the world. We don't need any more industry expansion. It is willfully ignorant or hilariously corrupt at this point to pretend to not be aware of climate change. Climate change is not an apt term for it, honestly. If you don't do the absolute minimum of listening to your constituents, you are killing your planet, you are killing your city. If you continue to prove to citizens that you do not care about their voice and continue to poison them, you will lose those citizens. This is why the DSA has seen such a boom in membership. This, it was, I think last year was like the fastest growing membership in the entire country. Do you like socialism is you are creating the conditions for socialism. I see my time. Thank you for my time.
Thank you, Mr. Gonzalez, Isabella Raisa.
Okay, Isabel Raisa, District 2, co-founder of For the Greater Good. I'm speaking to items 22 and 23, and the audacity of the city manager, the water czar, Nick Winkleman, and the peddling behavior of the representative of Ardura and the Desal Pillagers. What I do not understand is how these people can have so much disrespect and contempt for democratic processes and toward the community that has already made it very clear that we do not want the desalination plant to be located in the Hillcrest neighborhood's desalination plant. I challenge you to review every single city council meeting that has ever been posted online and tell me if you ever, and I mean ever, find a meeting where you have seen such a sustained effort at resisting a city project. You will find no such thing. We keep coming back and coming back despite how incredibly difficult City Hall has made it for us who have concern about what's going on. How dare the city manager and the water czar and these outside special interests try to use one reading items to strong arm the city residents to pay for these scams. The people of the Coastal Bend don't need these projects. The local businesses of the Coastal Bend don't need these projects. Heavy industry and those who want industrial build-out want these projects. Local companies that stand to make a killing off of public tax dollars want these projects. We, the residents of Corpus Christi and the Coastal Bend, have paid enough for heavy industry's wants. And I'm not just talking about tax dollars. I'm talking about learning disabilities.
I'm talking about severe birth defects. I'm talking about asthma rates. I'm talking about that guy's liver readings. I'm talking about cancer rates. For the Greater Goods Corps group right now has had cancer affect every single one of us, and we just lost one of our Corps members. It's the second time in two years. Not to mention all the other ones, Reverend Carrington, Jen Hilliard, It's enough. The presentation you will receive from Winkelmann and Leyendecker is a scam. According to item 22, they want $78.6 million for a partial design. $78.6 million.
That isn't even for us. Think about that. How many of your constituents are afraid to drink their own water? And Winkleman and the DeSalle partners are going to come up here and ask you to spend $78.6 million for heavy industry and for more industrial build-out. On top of that, they want $9.5 million to hire a contractor to conduct a cost estimate. Why do you need another cost estimator? You already said it was $978.7 million. Everyone that isn't on this is why Corpus Christi cannot have nice things. We are too busy bowing down to billion-dollar corporations. And finally, to my fellow Corpus Christi residents, pay attention to who the candidates are, because there are people who would vote for this, and our future's on the ballot in November.
Thank you, Ms. Araiza. Tony Reyes.
Good evening, council members. How y'all doing today? Tough, tough day. I'm here today to address how the council, the council chooses to spend taxpayer dollars. We have families across Corpus Christi struggling every month just to pay their light, keep their lights on or their water running. The cost of living is rising. The basic utility bills are putting a genuine strain on working families, seniors, and low-income residents in our community. Right now, $450,000 could make an immediate life-changing difference. $450 could provide direct utility assistance, rent relief, or emergency funding. We took five minutes to make a vote Five minutes. We took five minutes for this council, voted to spend nearly half a million dollars of public money to pay an outside legal representation to pursue internal disputes against one of your own members. That money belongs to the taxpayers. It was collected from the very residents who are struggling to pay their bills. Spending $450,000 on public funds on internal council conflicts rather than directly benefiting the community sends a clear message about where the city priorities are. Just want to let you know that $450,000 would help 3,500 people. 3,500 people could be helped with $450,000. Let me give you an example what y'all did when there was a water crisis. Drew Motley did a water summit and with other partners. They raised $80,000. That $80,000 was given to Mission 9-1-1. We helped 418 people. That's 418 customers that was helped because somebody said, we're going to get some money and help the residents. Mission 9-1-1 has helped to date 1,500 people. $237,000 they have helped. And guess what? They only have seven on staff. That's it. Seven people. But they do it on a timely basis. If you ever want a solution or you need help, feel free to give me a call. I'll give you a solution how to help some of these individuals.
Thank you, Mr. Reyes. Melinda De Los Santos. Councilman Cantu.
Can you answer me this question? The $450,000 that we've given to settle a lawsuit, could we have used that money for the houseless community, any of that, any of that groups?
That comes from our our different money, different money. It comes from ourselves, so we can't use that money now.
OK, my second question is, I really hope that same energy you had today here, Sir, when they wanted us to pay $1.5 million to the to the hotelers downtown, you say the same thing. $1.5 million could help a lot of families.
Miss Taylor Santos.
Good afternoon, Melinda del Santos District 2. I'll be speaking on the inner Harbor and professional services procurement. I was walking along the Harbor Bridge walkway Sunday looking out into the Bay and I was reminded of quote I read in the Coastal Bend magazine. San Antonio turned a dirty ditch into one of the most popular tourist attractions in the country, but we can't figure out what to do with the most beautiful waterfront on the Texas coast. There have been many citizens who spoke on behalf of their livelihood in the fishing and tourism industry. Are they going to bring millions to our community? Probably not, but they are going to bring families and friends to enjoy our brave front. So what did one of the most successful mayors in the history of Texas, Henry Cisneros, who took office in 1981 at the age of 33 as Mayor of San Antonio, what did he do? Further article, his first job was cleaning up self-dealing at City Hall, particularly within city staff and management who were notorious for leveraging their influence within the bureaucracy on behalf or against council members, city contractors, and even average citizens. Does this sound familiar? There has been constant leveraging for the Inner Harbor, harassment of council members and citizens opposed to the Inner Harbor, scare tactics of running out of water, questionable studies, permits and surveys. So how do we change that? We can start by first thanking God for the rain, which pushed level one water emergency to September 2028. Being better stewards of the resources we have by decreasing evaporation and reusing our stormwater. Brad Bartelsen has provided a plethora of information on how this can be achieved. Analyze and understand the cost benefit analysis of the various water projects. Brad Bartelsen can also assist. Hire him as a consultant.
Sorry, Brad.
Improve the management of our water by analyzing the discrepancies of data in relation to the water supply provided by the Mary Rhodes Pipeline and the Western Reservoirs. If the Mary Rhodes Pipeline is supplying more, why are we currently losing more water in our Western Reservoirs? Implement policies that would balance industry growth with residents of this community. Most importantly, let's rebuild the Hillcrest neighborhood into a thriving area, much like San Antonio Pearl Brewery development. regarding the professional services procurement. I recommend implementing a policy that either bans permanently or restrict for a minimum of five years any company, such as Mr. Ramirez, which has used fraudulent practices to obtain monies or agreements from our city. Thank you, vote no to Inner Harbor, and let's rebuild our sparkling city by the sea.
Thank you, Ms. De Los Santos. Eddie Espinoza.
A GOOD TUESDAY TO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS EDDIE ESPINOSA, GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS IN DISTRICT 34. WE OPPOSE THE INNER HARBOR DESALINATION PLANT AND WE OPPOSE FRACKING. TWO WEEKS AGO, I WALKED ALONG THE BANKS OF THE NUESES RIVER NEAR UVALDE. THE RIVER THERE IS SO PRESTINE THAT I DRINK WATER RIGHT OUT OF IT. BUT THIS VERY RIVER AND THE WATERSHED THAT SUSTAINS US IS IN DANGER. To protect our water, we must ban fracking in the Eagle Ford Shell, which stretches from Laredo to San Antonio. When rural counties upriver allow fracking, they pose an immediate threat to our rivers, the Rio Grande, the Nueces, the Frio, the Atascosa, and potentially the San Antonio and Guadalupe rivers. We must avoid the fate of the Permian Basin in West Texas, where fracking and over injection of toxic waters into the subsurface has contaminated three major aquifers and left a toxic 60 acre lake of hydrogen sulfide sitting in the open near the Pecos River, which I have seen personally. Corpus Christi must avoid this fate. So Corpus Christi must lead the charge against fracking and oil and gas extraction in the Eagle Ford Shell to protect our water. It makes no sense to invest in a desalination plant, nor new refineries, nor new export LNG terminals, as it is cheaper and far more effective to power our lives with solar panels and battery storage. Corpus Christi is blessed with Lake Corpus Christi, the Cho Canyon Reservoir, and the Mary Roads Pipeline bringing water from Lake Texana and the Colorado River. The Inner Harbor is a delicate ecosystem that must be protected just like our rivers. Global warming will inevitably cause flash droughts and flash floods and vice versa. To adapt, we must strengthen our flood control and maximize freshwater capture and storage. With global warming, no place is safe and everywhere is vulnerable. We will face more heat domes, heat waves, droughts, wildfires, stronger storms, and crop failures. The eyes of South Texas are upon you. So show ecological wisdom and listen to the environmental experts and vote no to this desal plant and lead the charge to ban fracking. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Espinoza. Amanda Guerra. Jesmyn Evans.
Jasmine Evans, District 5. Despite what our city manager, his words and the actions of some of our council members, the body of Christ is not for sale. Corpus Christi is not a business. The body and the blood and water of Christ is not for sale at all. The city isn't a business. We're a community coming together in opposition of Inner Harbor, closed-door meetings with industry while you keep the people locked out. Having a desal plant by a church, a data center by a school, incoming ammonia plant, there's no limit to these politicians and corporate greed. Come November, when these seats are vacant, think about what a mess they've made of our city. Families and workers leaving year after year, we should figure out how to get them to stay and grow instead of welcoming industrial facilities and plants with wide open arms and pockets. People used to know Corpus for our beautiful coastal beauty, marine life, ecotourism, and Salina, and now everyone knows us as the city running out of water, and weekly reports of mismanagement, manmade drought, water boils due to industrial spills, and a lack of reporting and accountability. Trust in this project and our government is at an all-time low. Listen to the people over profit. No desal. These companies and their CEOs, they are the outsiders. Hillcrest has been fighting day after day for that buffer zone and against desal in our bay. I remember back when the price tag of $700 million made my council member Gil Hernandez pause, and now we're at a billion, three, four, and it seems like it's reasonable to y'all, like y'all are actually thinking about it, and it doesn't make sense. And also a note on the data centers. I had went to the state committee meeting at the capital where they're talking about the data centers and they themselves have said that they only provide their water for cooling, only for cooling. On their websites it says that they only provide water for cooling. So everything else outside of that, their day-to-day needs for water, everything else like that, they still require our water. So when you repeat that misinformation, it either makes you come across as a liar, as gullible, or like you can't read. So I just want to say that no DeSalle, save Hillcrest, save our community. Think about the people over profits and your corporate greed. So thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Evans. Stacy Garrick.
Hi, I'm Stacy Garrick, District 4. I've lived in Corpus Christi for 20 years. I raised my three sons here. This city oversold our water to big industry, and now you're asking residents to fund a minimum billion dollar project. Big industry uses 60 to 80% of our water. Some 30 to 35 million gallons a day while all the residents combined use about 14 million This plant isn't for residents. It's to feed big industries growth and we're the ones being asked to pay If we run out of water, the jobs big industry provides won't matter. From water boil alerts to making national news as the first U.S. city projected to run out of water, this city has mismanaged its water. The Inner Harbor desal is a flawed idea for many reasons. One of those reasons is personal. I struggled for 20 years with a serious pancreatic condition, and my father died of stage 4 pancreatic cancer due to chemical exposure. PFAS, forever chemicals linked to cancer and more, have been detected in our bay above the EPA's recommended limits. And now you want to take that water, put it through reverse osmosis, and discharge millions of gallons back into the bay over and over. If those membranes fail or aren't serviced, you could send PFAS contaminated water to our taps. This is the water we drink and bathe in. 13 scientists from the Heart Research Institute and UT's Marine Science Institute reviewed the city's own model and said, discharging super salty concentrated brine isn't proven safe for marine life. This is where families fish and feed their children. I think about my grandson and the world we're leaving him and every child growing up here after us. I grew up in Kansas City where a public water district owned by the people and run by an elected water board has kept water secure since 1957. Water should belong to the people and be clean and reliable, not a luxury. Corpus Christi should have that same kind of board reporting to the city council. Water needs its own 20 year plan, not a footnote next to roads and budgets. Please don't take Corpus Christi and the surrounding areas health for granted. Please vote no on the Inner Harbor desal. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Garrett. Laramie Thain. I'm sorry? Till the item. Damian Morales.
Damian Morales, District 5, commenting on the Inner Harbor desal project. somehow on september the first we are once again revisiting a project that is the economic and logistical equivalent of wildly coyote suspended midair having run off a cliff there have been zero economic feasibility studies done today the capital cost alone one billion dollars when added to the debt accrued by the pending costs of groundwater and other projects would compound into an even higher even higher rate increase for the median residents This doesn't take into account the costs of operation or daily maintenance, which would surely impose exorbitant costs on residents, such as clearing filters of large particulates in a very muddy, shallow body of water. This water would surely not be potable, considering the pollutants like benzene.
Mr. Morales, I'm so sorry. Could you step closer to the microphone? I'm so sorry. I can't hear you. Thank you so much. Sorry about that.
This water would surely not be potable, considering the pollutants, and would be purely for commercial use, suggesting a separately run water system. And this is all for a measly 30 MGD, far below the amount recommended for maximum desalination efficiency. So far, there have been no good faith, genuine attempts to form public partnerships to cover costs. And instead, the meta has simply been to pass the buck onto Corpus residents. not even with a simulation of grace, but rather with enough scandalous contempt at every step to put Corpus on national headlines. Where will this water go? As if a kick in the teeth, it will go in part to electricity for Bitcoin mining and data centers, products of an already collapsing bubble with low employment. If residents can be asked to absorb a net negative inefficient project that will produce some of the most expensive non-potable water ever seen, can large volume customers even use it responsibly unrestrained? having already given into a cynical paranoia of the short term, even to consider this project above normative decel projects. Consider it this way. Should Corpus residents waste money for no other express purpose than to make a margin go higher? Please vote no on inter-harbor decel.
Thank you, Mr. Morales. Mary Carter.
Mary Carter, District 2. I just wanted to point out that if they have the desal plant, that there's 68 million gallons of salt water per day. And if you multiply that by 365 days, you get 24 billion, 820 million. And if you do it for a 10-year period, it's over 2 trillion. um gallons of salt and i you know i do believe it kills all the fishing and that's critical to um you know future life here and so that's basically all i have to say thank you thank you so much miss carter elita castillo james perkins
Howdy howdy. James Perkins District 2. So I know I put myself on those items. I'm going to see if I'm not going to be here long enough to actually comment when the items come up. Instead I came up to here to kind of talk to y'all and more so the citizens watching at home. to kind of remind folks that Prop B is going to be on the November ballot this year. And what this is going to do is it's going to decide whether or not we allow the industry to continue with their drought exemption program, which currently means they're paying like as little as 31 cents for 1,000 gallons of water. They could be paying as much as $6. And I'm not so hot at math, but I'm going to let the people who say Our city is run like a business, maybe want to think on that for a second how much that huge boost of revenue. could do to actually help our city cover the cost deficits so we're not slashing funds. To anything like libraries or senior centers or any of the things that might help people stay out of the hot weather that's only continuously getting hotter. Um, I know a lot of people are excited for fall, but last year in October, I don't remember it ever dipping below 90 degrees, you know? And so if we, uh, if we can get that prop B pushed through, um, if, if we can endorse that, um, for folks, uh, you know, we'll see a lot more money into our budget for the years to come. Thank you.
Thank you so much, Mr. Perkins, Rachel cover ghetto.
Rachel Caballero D one. Um, and Dean Blair also had a desire to be in the army. Um, and his death was not investigated properly by CCPD. So I am happy to hear that one person on this panel is going to be looking into it, but that needs to happen immediately. Um, CCFC, the mayor's office involved in yet another controversy of picking the winners and losers of this community. She was found guilty. perjury this means lying after swearing an oath on the Bible aiding a fraud against the Corpus Christi taxpayers against us aiding a fraud against the Corpus Christi taxpayers and she violated her oath to office at every turn we are experiencing corrupt tactics from the mayor certain shy city council members and city staff. We are experiencing constant accusations of theft of our tax dollars to political contributors. We are experiencing a few council members that vote against this community at every turn. Thank God. Some of you are timing out. Why are we funding a government that is refusing to provide services to our community first? Why are we funding a government that is refusing to hear what the real shoulder shareholders want? The rear, the real shareholders, the ones that fund every single aspect of this government, this building and everything around it. Depending on today's outcome and today's vote, it might be time for our community to quit funding local governing bodies. I will be the first to say that I will lead the way in that, but something's going to change and these local government bodies are gonna start voting in favor of our community. We do not want to go in the direction of being sacrificed to industry. We do not want to sacrifice our tourism. We're not going to sacrifice our beach lives here. We're fighting. And there's a lot more new people here that are fighting with us. And so we will be the sustained fighters in this fight. So I beg you all to do the right thing and vote in favor of this community so we don't have to figure out a way to defund it all. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Caviero. Jessica Villarreal. James Klein.
Hi. My name is James Klein. I live in District 2 here in Corpus Christi. Thanks for taking the time to listen to me. I'm going to be brief, try to be brief anyway. I still have problems with the desal plant. These are the problems I've had for the last six years. It's too expensive, right? This is what the engineers told us back in 2018. It's the most expensive way to make water. Desalination is the most expensive way to make water. You should try everything else before that. We have not exhausted all those alternatives. We have started looking at groundwater supplies. That's good, although I think we need to do it in the right manner. We should have been doing that long ago already. We should be looking at rainwater capture. I've been beating that drum for a number of years. Others have, Brad Bartleson and others have as well, to no effect. This would solve two different problems, right, because it would reduce coastal flooding at the same time that it would add to our water supply. We should be looking at evaporation reduction. This is no longer just a California idea. There's a company out of Houston that does this. And that would generate electricity as well if you install floating solar panels to reduce the evaporation rate, which is 50% per year. And water reuse, I think that's a good idea that we're doing that now. We're going to start doing that now finally in December of 2026. That should have been done 10 years ago already as well. But again, it also has to be done the right manner, the right way. I have environmental concerns about this, as I have from the very beginning. The far-field model has not demonstrated what we had hoped it would. It's disturbing that several of the scientists on that far-field model committee have left that committee. I hope that there was no coercion involved there. That's a very disturbing development. I'm concerned about the fact that this is located in Hillcrest. This is a very overburdened community, right? I mean, just right down the line. And this is not unique. This happens in other communities as well. But it's happened here now as well for Hillcrest. I mean, I-37, the New Harbor Bridge, the wastewater treatment plant, and then our desal plant, all located in Hillcrest. Those who are proponents of desalination, volunteer your neighborhood. Put forth your neighborhood as the site for the new desalination plant. I heard recently now that there's talk about trying to pump the brine out into the Gulf. That's far better than putting it back into the ship channel. It's not a cure-all, though. It's not a cure-all. I mean, point to San Diego, California. The Carlsbad plant out there, pumps their brine out into the Pacific Ocean, and despite the considerable current out there, they've identified a dead zone almost from the very beginning around that outlet tube. Desal is designed to bring still more industry into the area here, even though the public is being asked to pay for that. Industry has increased in this area in the last 10 years by 70% already. We are becoming a heavily industrialized community. If our goal is to become Port Arthur or Texas City, let's at least be honest about it. And then ask ourselves and the public, is that really what we want? Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Klein. Michael Miller.
Michael Miller district to hopefully I tagged all of y'all and you're able to take a look at some of the numbers that I was sharing. Because in addition to all the concerns that everybody else has been talking about I'm concerned about the fact that we haven't answered the question how much water do we need. I think that's an important question to ask because if you were you know having a having a dinner party or whatever and you invited 20 people and you went out and bought food for 20 people. and drinks and everything else and then only five showed up then there's a huge amount of expense that's been wasted and or you might have to call some neighbors that you don't really know and you don't know exactly how they're going to act in your home to come and eat some of this food. So I think it's really important that we sit down with our stakeholders that we use this time that has been afforded to us by God and with the rains that he's provided not necessarily here locally but in our watershed But sit down with our stakeholders, really take a look at what the demand is. I know that, I don't know what conversations that y'all have with the Corpus Christi Regional Economic Development Corporation, but I'm learning a lot about these projects that are just popping up on the news. And this needs to be part of a broader conversation where we all sit down and talk about what's coming, what are the demands going to be, so that we can properly anticipate and forecast our short, mid, and long-term demand. Because how can you plan for water when you don't know what's coming or what might be leaving? Because over this drought, we've seen a lot of customers leave. We've seen Alice leave. We've seen Beville leave. We've seen Mathis leave. We've seen wastewater projects done by Valero and Flint Hills, which is great, but that reduces the demand on our water supply. So we need to take a look and see how much water we have in the bucket, how big of a bucket we need, and answer those questions before we bite off another billion dollar investment. Because, I mean, we don't have any water contracts. I think that it's great that industry comes and supports these initiatives, but The way they could really show support is guaranteeing that they're going to buy this water at whatever price it's going to be, because that's that's what's being forced on the citizens of Corpus Christi. And it's still an unknown. And I wouldn't sign that water contract either. But that's how you show support for this, because I'm terrified that we're going to bite off this expense and then they're going to do their own water deals. And the only ones leaving home the bag is us. So thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Miller. Johnny Latham.
First off, I want to speak about the situation with. I think the city are to quit putting everything on the heads of the states. When it comes to violation codes. And people being threatened by tenant tenants being threatened by apartment. The city needs to come up with their own problem. Solving situation with this situation. I had four witnesses that were going to testify today. The maintenance man went and jumped on them, and now they won't testify. All I have left is their phone calls. I was almost killed on the 25th by that apartment complex, spraying epoxy and not making sure that it was not going into other people's apartments. I'm disabled. I fell asleep. If it hadn't been for my neighbor smelling it coming out of my apartment, me and my therapy dogs, all three of us would have been dead. I asked for a meeting with city managers in Cantu. It's been since the 18th. I haven't had that meeting yet. Another thing, I hear these people talking about desalination plants. I served in the Navy, and I guarantee you there's nobody here who can tell me what ship was the first ship ever had a desalination put on it. I can because I served on that ship. It was also the first ship ever nuclearized. USS Enterprise. Yeah, 1966. There are other ways than desalination. I'm going to tell you that. Desalination is not poisonous to the human beings. I drank it on board that ship for 19 years. 19 years. I want to ask City Council... How much water runs off into that bait through these drains? That could be going back into the groundwater because. Y'all don't realize there's a such thing as pervious concrete. That sends water right back into the ground. How many y'all ever heard of it? You know why I have? Because I was in Naval Intelligence. I was in different countries. I seen how they operate things. The United States is supposed to be the far most advanced country in the world, but yet we still depend on stupid ideas. Yeah, desalination on a ship, that brine is being spread over millions of miles to where it's not leaving a trail. My daughter... I didn't have the privilege, but my daughter works in naval intelligence too. She works for the underwater warfare department. Here we are worrying about brine. Do you know how they track the Russians and Chinese ships and subs? The nuclear waste that they leave behind. They knew those ships were coming to Cuba before anybody else ever did. It's it's a pitiful thing. And just like nothing has ever said about. Most people don't even know it's in the fishing game book.
Thank you, Mr Latham. Thank you. Councilman can too.
I haven't got a meeting request from you at all, but I got a question. Excuse me gentlemen real quick, but statement of fact yes, do do we have any authority over the apartment complex?
Going direct authority correct, right?
Okay. I just want to make sure Are we addressing the code of violations at the department complex?
Yes, sir. We had development services go out there to take a look at it Okay, they did do a walkthrough there was some unpermitted work being done But they have been fined and the water problem has been fixed is my understanding.
We can't go back and forth, sir. But I'm going to tell you, first of all, thank you for your service. Second of all, we have no authority on that apartment complex. My best advice to you is move out and go find another apartment complex because there's nothing we can do. We could correct code violations, but that's the most that we can. Thank you.
Thank you. Andrea Puyol. I'm sorry? Okay, thank you, Ms. Puyol. Pete Ibarra.
I really didn't want to come up here and waste my time. I'm an ex-IBEW high-voltage power worker out of Seattle, Local 77. I got my start here with Bodine Electric and Central Power and Light in the 80s. I worked on the Old Harbor Bridge as a labor sandblaster helper. I've got a lot of experience and what I've seen here is unbelievable waste of money being in the power. I don't know you guys drive around here. They put new telephone poles right next to the old telephone pole. And by doing that, it's the old pole is rotten at the base and you put this new pole right next to it. basic physics, it's going to decay, rot, and the new pole, because of the weight and the cables, is going to find that weak spot. And if you go down by, what is it, Motel 6, going towards Flower Bluff, you can see what I'm talking about. There's a new pole, the old pole, and now they put an anchor to anchor the old pole, and the new pole is already leaning on the anchor, the new pole. And so what happens, what's going to happen there, they're going to have to come back out and repair. What do they call that, job security? That shouldn't happen. I used to set poles, rule of thumb. You take the pole and you set it two to three feet away so you don't have that problem. I feel like they're trying to be cheap and not put new wire to try to move that to that pole. And so like I said, they're leaning. And the other thing that I've noticed is that they're doing sidewalks for wheelchair ramps. after the road has already been brand new. You're supposed to put those ramps in before you put in a new road. Common sense. So now they can't match where they jackhammered the new asphalt to make room for this wheelchair ramp. They can't put the same kind of asphalt. They put this real cheap asphalt and they don't seal the seams with the asphalt. Whenever you have two asphalt meeting each other, a pothole. When you fix a pothole, you're supposed to take hot tar and seal it so water doesn't come around and lift it up. I live on Paloma, and it is nothing but potholes. I watch the city come out there with a little vibrator they dig about this deep, throw some stuff on there, and it's like putting a cracker. So as the cars run over it, it cracks, the wind, the wheels. Now you have a bunch of... of gravel in the curb where it filters down into the drain. And what I've been noticing about these roads, they put in this new asphalt on some of these blocks of Cushnet out of Saratoga. And there's another spot there on Saratoga. They put these new roads in, but they don't put new curbs. They don't put new sidewalks. nothing so now you got the all this going around and it's ridiculous it's a lot of money wasted and people need to kind of observe thank you mister and the other thing mr kantu about uh hotels that's uh minimum wage jobs that you're bringing in that's nothing bring in microsoft megan alvarado megan alvarado jason hale
Jason Hale, Corpus Christi. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Good afternoon, council members. Basically, I've been following, you know, our water projects for a while. There's a lot of future water projects that are diesel. They're expensive. Harbor Island, Barney Davis, La Quinta, Inner Harbor. It's a lot of water, and at some point, it's clearly for industry. It's not fair to put that cost on residents. Residents and small businesses in the seven counties that CCW serves use about 45% of the water. It's like 54 million gallons a day. Since 2024, CCW has added about 80 million gallons a day. Mary Rhoads phase two pipeline upgrades that was like, or pump upgrades, that was like 24 million gallons a day. Reuse is like 16 million gallons a day. And then the groundwater projects for emergency drought use, that's about 45 million gallons a day. And we have projects coming here that are 10 to 20 million gallons a day. And, you know, It's just crazy to put the cost of these projects on residents. I feel like new growth should pay the new rates. Otherwise, the cost will be put on residents and small businesses and households. They're going to have to pay $100 to $200 to $300 extra per year. And when you're serving 500,000 people, that's a lot of money. It's not water security. It's a tax to fund industrial growth. It's not fair. So please figure this out. Thanks.
Thank you, Mr. Hale. Raynor Knox. Speak on the item. Got you. Zachary Bornstein.
Zachary Bornstein, District 1. I have a video I'd like to play.
Myself and Gil Hernandez and Dan Sutley, we went and met with two members of the Port of Corpus Christi, the chair and one other member, and we put together an MOU that would have put the city of Corpus Christi in the driver's seat for doing a desal plant on Harbor Island, and the port was going to pay for half of it. opportunity got voted down five to four and and i told everybody i said that opportunity will never come around again don't ever try to do the right thing i have not seen words that said the port would pay for half is that in there it's in there wow that's pretty pretty powerful stuff man
It should not be so difficult for us to work with another entity that is willing to pony up half the expense for this. It should be in our best interest not to put all that risk on our rate payers. This is a good thing.
I'll leave that down. I'm going to say to the listening public out here, this is an opportunity that we're missing. This is an opportunity for us to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars with the Port of Corpus Christi helping us pay for this. We're going to sit here today and vote against having that opportunity. We're going to vote against voting for because i know what the outcome is going to be because the mayor's been talking to everybody in corpus christi about this since she found out about it but this is going to be an opportunity that this city council is going to once again pass up for us to be able to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars okay thank you one last comment okay no no i'm we're we're gonna you've i've only spoken once okay so
We're going to go and call the vote. Rebecca, take a roll call, please. We're calling vote.
Wait a minute. We still have questions here. I mean, they don't talk to the port that we don't hear things from them as well.
We're going to vote on this and move forward. You guys put it on. We're voting. Rebecca, please take a roll call.
Okay. So just it's a motion to approve the MOU, right? That was attached to the agenda.
Okay. We have a motion and a second. Rebecca.
Okay. So for a roll call vote, Council Member Edmondes.
Hunter. Aye.
After waiting for seven and a half years for desal and following five and a half years before that for any progress in desal in the city, I have to vote yes.
Pesely? Yes, okay, no problem. Roy?
Suckley?
Barrera?
Mayor Wajardo? No.
Okay, the item fails. Great, thank you.
Corpus Christi deserved a partnership. Instead, our full-time mayor gave us politics. And at the end, the taxpayer is going to pay for it. Please stand with the taxpayer.
Thank you, Mr. Bornstein. Robin Cox.
Hi, Robin Cox district three. And before I get started with Kim, who came up here and spoke, do not mess with a mad grandma. She will get you every time. She's going to protect her children. Good for her. um i've been looking over this desol because this is the third time we're here what more can we say it was a bad location bad price it's experimental so you have to wonder who are the people begging for it bringing it back to the table over and over what do they stand to gain from it they've literally got packs out there with people backing them trying to get it passed Who backs these? Valero, Flint Hills, Coke Refinery. I found one Chevron gas station. I guess that's where I'll be getting my gas from from now on because they're not part of that pack. Everybody is coming up and saying they're for desal. And you have to wonder, like I said, you have to wonder what do they gain from it. You've got previous mayors coming up, previous attorneys, previous mayors that during their time had more water boils than anyone. We couldn't shower. There was feces in our water. But they're the experts now. We've got a previous attorney who can't say whether it's the Fairfield or Farfield and can't spell cesspool, putting in her two cents. everybody seems to have their hand in the cookie jar. So like I said, when you look in that cookie jar, you wonder, you know, look and see whose lips are dirty. One of you's got some chocolate above your lip right now. So, you know, one of you calls herself an industry whore. So we all cried last week when someone used the word rape, but somebody else is calling themselves an industry whore. It just doesn't make any sense at all. But when we have these people speaking up for DeSalle, It's the same people that it would be like Pablo Escobar and Cheech and Chong doing a just say no program. It just really doesn't make any sense. We all know it's bad for the environment. They want to say PFAS, never heard of it. It's got to be good for you. When you go to their house and it's nothing but Voss waters and you see them at the grocery store. all the bottled waters. They're not drinking from the faucet. Like the previous man said, they don't want it in their neighborhood, but it's okay to have it in the people of Hillcrest's neighborhood. And Hillcrest is a historic neighborhood for some of you who don't know it. There should be museums out there there should be um i remember going as a child to have a there was a fabulous barbecues place out there and we want to now put the desal plant right in their backyard i'm going to end this with a dolly parton quote since We all are missing Dolly Parton right now. She said, don't forget, don't get so caught up in money that you forget to be a good person. Remember, God cares about your heart, not your pocketbook. So why don't y'all think about that before you vote for DeSalle?
Thank you, Ms. Cox. Val Harbolovic, I apologize if I said that wrong. Thank you for that grace.
Good morning, everyone. Good afternoon, excuse me. I'm Val Harbolovic. I'm the chair of the sister city committee. It has been my very great honor to serve for the last two years as a chair for this all voluntary board. And I'm here primarily to thank you for your fiscal support in the 25 to 26 fiscal year and to urge you to continue supporting our committee. These are some of the things that we've done in the last year in addition to reinventing ourselves and transitioning to the auspices of the Chamber of Commerce. As usual, we sent high school students to France and Japan and they returned with their host families to Corpus Christi. In addition to that, we added a culinary exchange program between Delmar College and our friends in Agen, France, where we sent two students to study with French chefs and also be exposed to French cuisine, the boulangerie culture. And they returned after two weeks. We also expanded what we did for elementary students. We started a fifth through eighth grade program for email pen pals. We also involved the Federal Postal Service, and they came and gave talks on the history of the mail. In addition to that, we've had various arts and culture exchanges, simple things like just a digital photo to showcase our city and receive digital photos from our sister city. If you ever go out to the airport, you'll see the Japan display. We're hoping to add Vera Cruz to that in the near future. In addition, last month we took a delegation from the chamber made up of all sorts of local business people. But in addition, we also had sister city interests at heart. We were toured through Veracruz for five days. We met with the mayor of Veracruz two times. We met with the economic development minister of the state of Veracruz at a mass meeting. We had three mass meetings with local businesses and other interested parties. I personally have taken on two young students, one who is an astrophysics genius and the other who's very interested in biomedical research to see if we can serve as a connecting factor to help them advance their careers. We also toured the port and customs of Veracruz to see what we could learn in regards to our own issues at home. We toured the general hospital and the pediatric tower. THAT WILL DO IT NICELY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MS. HARPOLOVIC. THANK YOU. MS. REBECCA, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR IN PERSON. DO YOU HAVE VIRTUAL SIGNUPS?
ACTUALLY, THE FIRST PERSON, SEAN MERRITT, MR. MERRITT, IS HERE.
HE IS HERE. WHILE WE WAIT FOR HIM TO COME BACK, CAN WE MOVE ON?
YES, MA'AM. SO NEXT IS SUSIE SALDANA. Ms. Saldana, are you online? Okay, next is Trevor LeBlanc. Trevor? Okay, next is Marisa Trevino. This is Susan Salaya, and I'm on board. Oh, there you are, okay. Do you mind if we go to Ms. Saldana?
Yeah, she can go ahead.
Okay. Ms. Saldana, go ahead, please.
Okay. This is something I'm not so done yet. Sorry. I'm not there in person today, but I didn't want to let this day go by without giving my input and some of the things that are happening within our city, because I'm truly highly disappointed of the actions taken by this council and by especially two members of this council that went ahead and voted to give away almost half a million dollars to Doug Allison and give David Ajit, Ajit David, what he wanted was not to pay the Homewood Suites. You gave all of that to him and then had the audacity to show up the very next day and have lunch with them at a luncheon. That is beyond disappointment. That is showing you true colors of what you are doing with this city. I am very, very disappointed because I agree that hotels shouldn't get one penny, not any of them. But I also know that you have not paid $1.5 million to Homewood Suites right now, but you have paid Doug Allison almost half a million. And it is very clear what you are doing, very, very clear what you are doing to the people of Corpus Christi. Enough is enough. When you get out there and you tell this person because they come up to you and tell you we're rich and we can take care of it, we're rich and we can take care of it. That is absolutely wrong. If those people that come before you and they don't say they're not rich, you got to take care of it. But you can respond to those people that tell you they're rich. What does that tell the people of Corpus Christi? That tells we don't stand a chance at all. And the citizens of this community need to stop, look, listen, and make decisions. As far as the Inner Harbor is concerned, I don't like the place it's at, but we need to have these out somewhere. We need the long range planning somewhere. And let me tell you, whatever you decide, a new council is coming in and things will change.
Thank you, Ms. Saldana. Mr. Merritt, were you going to speak? No? Okay. How about Trevor? Let me go back to you. Okay. Go ahead, sir.
Oh, I don't know if you can still see me.
Yes, we can.
No means no, and fair is fair. The Inner Harbor is the worst place for intake, and that is the first step of the process. Ships and boats never run their water makers in a harbor. It will be the laughing stock of all the sailors who come into our harbor. The maintenance of intaking water from a dirty harbor, because all harbors are dirty, that's why they never run them in any harbor around the world. I should know. I've sailed half the world. The cost will be astronomical and far exceed the maintenance required from a cleaner source of water. How many times do we have to vote this down? You start listening to the citizens, or this can get out of hand. Does anybody recall things like the Boston Tea Party, the American Revolution, all the horrible stories about all the towns doing the coal mines? I don't want to see that in my city. No means no and no to Inner Harbor desal. It needs to be killed today and move on to something in a better location with a bigger output that will cure most of our drought situations and we can stop stealing water from our neighbors. Have a good day and I take the rest of my time in silence for reflection. on how not to mess up the first step in the process.
Okay. Thank you, Mr. LeBlanc. Next is Marisa Trevino.
I am here.
Okay. Go ahead, ma'am.
Marisa Trevino, I reside in District 5. I'm here representing Corpus Christi FC, the next sports complex that has been brought up multiple times today. But I do want to begin by talking about something positive, because despite everything happening around us, there is something truly positive happening here in Corpus Christi, Texas, which is pro soccer. Every weekend, our city is being represented on ESPN+. Corpus Christi, our own little hometown, is now shown on TV, and our players are carrying that quite well. That brings me why I'm here today. We are building a multi-sport complex off of Old Brownsville Road. We came before you about a year ago to show you our progress and share our vision of what the projects could mean to the community. Shortly after, there was some serious miscommunication regarding water. We had been granted what we understood to be a temporary exemption and somewhere along the way, communication broke down. We later learned that a lock had allegedly been cut, although there are still questions about who was responsible. We tried repeatedly to sit down and explain our side. We asked for communication. We asked for answers, but it often felt as though decisions had already been made before anyone was willing to hear our story. At the same time, we discovered that a meter that we had paid for approximately 14 months earlier still had not been installed. Because of that, no one could tell us exactly what we owed. We were given an estimate of approximately $2,500. In good faith, our owner and president wrote a check for $5,000. We carried that check for months because no one could tell us where to take it and no one would accept it. We are not trying to avoid responsibility. We are trying to resolve the issue. Today, I'm respectfully asking that the council please speak to the Type B board to reconsider our refund. This is important because this project is not costing the Corpus Christi taxpayers money. We are investing in the community, creating something that will generate opportunity, jobs, economic growth, and a destination that our city can be proud of. This has gone far beyond affecting just the professional team. We are the youth academy that supplies kids with the most scholarships and have not been able to do it this season since we are having to catch up on funds. We have highly decorated coaches that are representing the city well. many which have appeared at World Cups and coached in World Cups, including the U.S. men's national team and the Egyptian national team. We deserve the opportunity to please finish what we started. We are not hurting this community. We are investing in it. We are creating jobs on a side of town that needs growth and opportunity. I think that's all I have to say.
Thank you, Ms. Trevino. Mr. Merritt?
Excuse me, Mr. Merritt, just one second. We need the podium mic on. There we go. Thank you. OK, thank you.
Go ahead. Good afternoon, council. Yesterday, C3 was invited to the CC Multisport Complex by the young lady that you just heard. She took us through the property, showed us the different areas of the complex, and showed us where the events that we are reporting about occurred. Today, I'm going to show you exactly what we saw. First pictures, gentlemen. Tech boys, you got them pictures ready? As you can see, when you enter the facility, it looks good. They are maintained soccer fields, artificial turf, track, paved areas, substantial infrastructure. This is an existing multi-sport complex with a significant amount of development already completed. Next picture, please. OK, next set of pictures. Then you reach the main unfinished area of the condition changes dramatically. These large portions are heavily overgrown. Construction materials made throughout the property certain around among the weeds is a law bear grandstand framework, which you see there with no spectator seat installed. FC representatives told us project permits were pulled October the 25th and construction stops creep. Keep scrolling please. This is supposed to be the soccer field. This is the other entrance to the cart track area. This is where go-carts would be for families to raise go-carts. FC representatives took us and identified this as the location of the ICE incident. There were three ICE agents waiting there for the workers, and they arrested one of them. Another fellow who was here on OPT authorization by the name of Kevin, he stopped returning to work after that incident, and eventually he left the country. Next picture, please. See these red line markings there? FC Director of Operations Marissa told us FCC Sharks youth soccer operation was required to shut down until these lines were painted. She asked development service why other city parks were not required to meet the same standard, was not given a good answer. Final pictures. This is $4 million worth of equipment that has been sitting out there since last October, baking under the Texas sun, being overgrown. Now, these are conditions, and you may keep scrolling if you wish. These are conditions we personally observed, the functioning portion of a multi-sport complex, unfinished portion overtaken by weeds. Now, consider what representatives have told us alongside what we saw ourselves. who called ICE, who had Type B stop their funding, who pursued an arrest warrant for Dr. K after FC said they had a drought exemption. Why was their permit pulled? And this is an organization being financially pressured until it loses control of an approximately 80% complete private multi-sport complex so the city can acquire the property. Now, there's somebody sitting up here right now who personally told Dr. K and Marissa who put the warrant out for them. And I hope you all statement of fact and ask Peter Zanoni right there if he did in fact tell them that it was the Mayor Paulette that put the warrant out for Dr. K's arrest.
Councilwoman Vaughn.
Okay. Next is Alberto Sertucha. Mr. Sinoni.
Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Rebecca. Go ahead, Councilwoman Vaughn.
Mr. Sinoni, there has been a lot of people come up here today, several, with this. And I went and actually viewed it yesterday. It's an absolutely phenomenal place. It really is. It's a great deal for the city of Corpus Christi. And I appreciate the fact that you're going to put it on the executive. But my question is this. Can you answer that question? Do we know that? Did you say anything like that, a statement of fact?
No, a statement of fact, that's not true.
Thank you.
Yeah, I never said that. I read it. Somebody sent me a story over the weekend, but I never said that. Okay, thank you. I did meet with Dr. Kingsley, and there were several staff members there. But I never said that.
some of these accusations out there, hopefully, when we have that meeting.
Yeah, we're going to help get things cleared up for next week.
Councilman Cantu.
I just wanted to make a comment on that. Type B is a very important board, and we're about to do some more, appoint some people to Type B board. I just don't understand how we are giving... giving money to a hotelers and let these people go dry. You know, um, this, um, soccer field is it's in my district. It's a beautiful soccer field and it brings everybody together, families, children. And I've been talking about this since day one, Peter, um, whenever they, they got their funding taken away from them. Um, we got it. We got to bring, bring them back and we've got to help them. I mean, This is a great thing for Corpus Christi. It really is. And Dr. Kinsney has a very, very great vision for this. And I think there's like four different phases, and it's going to be great for the west side. So we've got to figure out what we can do, Buck, next week and try to get us all the answers we can do to bring it back to Type B board and see what we can do with their monies. Thank you.
And Mr. Zanoni, if you could include questions that were raised here just so we have the information, permits, all of those items.
Right, we'll talk about the permits. We'll talk about the water situation.
Thank you.
We'll talk about the Type B and the termination of the contract. That's everything. The city staff supported the project. We personally worked with Dr. Kingsley to get this application in. but the type B took action. That is out of our control. Thank you. We'll go over it next week with the council.
Ms. Rebecca, thank you.
Okay, the next person is Alberto Sertuche.
Can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
This is Alberto Sertuche, D3, owner of Heartlife Spay and Tackle and Team Heartlife YouTube. I'm here to remind the council that we still haven't gotten any of the answers for the questions I've been asking about the experimental inner harbor desal scan. I'm seeing a lot of is advertisement for the inner harbor desal plant by industries who are wolves in sheep's clothing. How about we get these questions answered publicly? How is this experimental inner harbor desal plant in the best interest of taxpayers when we are not the ones who would get the water from this plant since you're trying to make us pay for it? Large industry users continue and historically account for a significant use of the municipal water, yet refuse to pay their fair share while they continue to sue our city for reduced rates and taxes, which the taxpaying citizens then have to carry that burden through IDA. Where are the contracts signed guaranteeing that industries will be paying the same price for the water for the full length of the term and not sue us again to not pay their fair share or incurred costs The project along the way for historical failures and everything else that the city is known for. We, the people demand the truth from the portfolio model from the scientists and marine biologists that y'all have denied the information and or scared off the project. We, the people demand industries to be held accountable for their fair share in everything they are getting discounted for, especially when taxpayers are carrying 90% of the burden of industries, making their hundreds of millions in profit per year. What happens when the energy cell plant fails to supply the salinity of the water because the salinity has grown in that area for so long, creating an ecological and economic disaster? Will we, the taxpayers, have to carry that burden and pay for all of that? Or will we be forced to move out of our homes to create this whole industrial area for them to continue to grow while we suffer? We have seen the numbers of how many total taxes industries pay. It's less than millions than the whole city. The truth needs to come out. We are paying attention and more people are speaking out against this corruption. Go back and look at our growth through the numbers of community members that are starting to take more action as they come up and speak. And also too, still sign up but can't be heard because they are out paying their or working to pay their bills that continue to rise november is coming and we are paying attention we will vote accordingly we have the majority of our voices that will be heard prayer is going out to protect and guide all our community members who stand and fight against this corruption knowing we stand against it we have become the targets for these corrupt individuals we will not stand by idle anymore
Thank you Mr. Zertuce. Next is Taylor Johnson.
Good afternoon. Taylor Johnson, District 5. Could you play the video that was provided earlier?
I don't know. I'm not doing that. I'm not going there. So I can't support this today. Again, this is not about desalination for me. This is about information and this is about as Councilman Haryana said, the process. Sorry, I'm just tired of hearing all this fancy talk about desal and the process and this. It's simple. How much is the bill going to go up? Because that's what the people of Corpus Christi care about. They don't care about, you know, the process of desalination or reverse osmosis and blah, blah, blah. Some people may. Most don't. My parents don't. They want to know What is this going to do? And by the way, DeSalle is a long-term plan. That is not a short-term plan. We will have that plan in eight years. We will not have it in two or three or four or five. I'm going to leave that alone. I don't want to get into a whole other discussion, but it is. Let's make that clear. We're not going to get a DeSalle plan in the next three years. That's an eight-year plan.
We'll call a timeout. We'll quit campaigning, and let's just vote on this issue.
Excuse me?
but the bottom line is is that we are committed to the city's permitting process we want to help you in any way we can if you choose to solicit our help i know that the port worked very well with the city back during the days of the mary rhodes pipeline in fact our our staffs who engineered and built the pipeline So I think there's a lot we can offer the city with their desal plans if you want it. If not, we're here standing by hoping you get your permit wherever you want it. It's that simple.
Commissioner, there is no working together. Again, we are not going to the port and building docks. So we're unclear as to why the port is coming over this side to try to build DeSalle with no customers.
And we're not trying to build DeSalle. We're just going for a permit for the city to use if you so choose. That's all we're doing. Just an alternative. I don't know how we can be more clear on that, Mayor.
If our suspended mayor or Councilman Barrera had voted in favor of collaborating with the port and its experts back then, today we could be inaugurating the first world-class large-scale seawater desal facility in Corpus Christi, Texas. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Next is Jennifer Espino. Ms. Espino, no? Last is Corelli Leal. Ms. Leal? All right. Oh, hold on. Hello?
Hello, ma'am. My name is Kareli from District 3. Hello. I'm coming. Okay.
I'm coming. I'm going to let Ms. Leal go first, and then we'll let the other lady go in just a moment. So Ms. Kareli Leal, go ahead and go, please.
Okay. My comment, is it going to start over?
Ma'am, your time has started, ma'am. Okay.
Thank you. My name is from district today. I'm commenting in opposition to the experimental inner harbor desalination plan. There are many reasons why I oppose this project and a lot of it has to do with our community and our wildlife. I see the residents in Corpus Christi under threat from corruption and greed from our city manager, our elected city officials and our chief city water operation staff. And I believe that we had true leaders that cared about people first versus corporate profits. We wouldn't even be in this route if we had asked our industrial partners and also partners to cut back on production and use less water. But they're not going to cut back and they just want a diversified water portfolio so that they can keep on making billions in profit while us, the regular day citizens, are carrying the brunt with our raising water rates and further pollution into the Gulf of Mexico. This Inner Harbor desalination plant is supposed to be built in the Hillcrest neighborhood where the residents have already been burdened by industry in their backyards for decades. Why does it have to be in the black and brown community? Environmental racism is real and this is a clear example of it. I also believe that the partial model was a joke and anyone can put stuff into a computer so it can say what you want it to say. And there is also parts of that partial model that showed that there is possible zones of hypoxia or dead zones, high fluctuation in salinities. So that area is already very delicate. That right there can cost the baby fishes who are trying to grow up the sea grass that is disturbed by the sale. And then a lot of people brought up the PFAS contamination. Like, that is scary. Cancer is real. People would die. We don't want that to continue growing in our beautiful bay. And I'm also really glad that the water amendment was. That's able to be put on the ballot now, so that we can quit the drought exemption. Because. 355Million out of the 4Billion dollars that the inner harbor dissemination plan is going to cost is chump change compared to these corporations that make billions in profit. So, they shouldn't be getting our water dirt cheap. We. So, and also another thing is that. I feel like instead of just trying to get more water for more companies to come in, we should actually be trying to conserve. We should stop the contract and stop letting big companies come to Corpus Christi, no data centers, no to more industrial growth. Because I mean, you guys wanna say that we're in a drought, but you guys are gonna get more water just to send it to more people. It doesn't make sense.
Your time is up, ma'am. Thank you. Jennifer Espino, are you online?
Hello.
Mrs. Espino?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay. You want to go ahead, ma'am?
I'm Jennifer Espino, Corpus Christi. I am currently in Chicago getting ready to speak about the fight to protect our water out of comfort. So apologies to the beautiful community I love for not being there in person. I'm currently carrying Corpus and the people who repeatedly fill those chambers. to speak up for our communities with me in all that I do. It is a privilege to be able to share the people and the place that we love and have been fighting to protect with people here, people who are sharing and learning about protecting our shared home and water from fossil fuels, AI, data centers, and corporate polluters draining our communities in the interest of profit. I wish I could say the city continuing to pursue a project so deeply unpopular with the public was surprising to me. Luckily, you cannot will public support for the Inner Harbor desal facilities. We've repeatedly shown up to say that we do not want this. Since I'm experiencing some of the most cursed deja vu on the planet and the city will not do their homework and put anything new before us, I decided that why should I? Here's an excerpt from a public comment from September 2nd of last year. I've watched for the better part of the past decade as residents across the political and ideological spectrum beg for city officials and staff to center the needs of the people over giant corporations who will survive with or without handouts from us. We've presented data. It's been dismissed. We brought forward studies, they've been ignored. We've argued against desalination due to the environmental impact. We are called outside agitators as if you people cannot see where we live. We argue against desal on the basis that it's financially reckless. The concerns are disregarded even by alleged fiscal conservatives. Some mistakenly believe that we may be able to appeal to your conscience, to paraphrase Kwame Ture, in order for that to work, our opponents must have a conscience. I will not humiliate myself by trying to appeal to people who have shown time and again the lack of moral compass, who have shown such disregard for, and at times outright animosity toward the people of Polka, people who have already endured the worst of the consequences of the heinous decisions made by those who came before you. You can't change those decisions. But those of you with a conscience have the opportunity to course correct. Don't dig your heels in the way so many before you have. We know more now than we did when DeSalle was initially put on the table. don't treat public comments as a formality to get through in order um in order to carry out your own will instead of the will of the residents down here opposing diesel who clearly outnumber those supporting they know to enter harbor um and i'll just add that i believe everyone but especially the fab five they know to enter harbor um and say no to that deal no matter the cost you cannot put a price tag on hillcrest and you cannot put a price tag on our bays there will be no return from this Stand on the right side of history and say no. Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am. Mayor Pro Tem, that concludes the public comment period.
Okay, thank you, Ms. Rebecca. We will now go to section G2, which is board and committee appointments. Ms. Huerta, if you'd proceed.
So the first board for the council's consideration is the Building Standards Board. There's one vacancy in the member at large category, which is preferred but not required. The board has a practice of requesting the appointment of an alternate member to a regular voting position and of appointing a new person to fill the alternate member position. Lindsay Clark currently serves as the alternate member, and the council could appoint Ms. Clark as member at large to fill the current vacancy consistent with the board's practice.
I would move to do so.
Okay. Second.
Are we just picking one? Councilwoman Vaughn.
Ms. Vaughn. That's for Brian, right?
So what we have is one vacancy. The current board alternate is applying to fill that vacancy, and then we have an option to appoint an alternate.
Okay, I nominate Brian Johnson.
Okay, so we'll first vote on that option. We have a motion and a second to appoint Lindsay Clark as the member at large. All in favor, aye.
Any opposed, nay. The motion carries. Did I hear an appointment for the alternate? BRIAN JOHNSON. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS?
SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO FOR A VOTE TO APPOINT MR. ROBERT JOHNSON AS THE ALTERNATE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, NAY. Okay, motion carries. Very good.
All right, council members, next we have the Type A and B boards. So these are the Corpus Christi Business and Job Development Corporation, which is the Type A, and the Corpus Christi B Corporation, Type B. Historically, the same members have served on both boards. There are four vacancies on each board. Victoria Holland, Johnny Filippello, and Jesus Jimenez are seeking reappointment, and their attendance rates are included in your packets.
I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN NOMINATIONS FOR THE FOUR POSITIONS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NOMINATIONS.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY, SIR? OKAY.
HAVE YOU HAD A WORK THOUGH?
YES, SHE'S BEEN NOMINATED.
Do you have a nominee? Okay.
Kevin Neary. I'm sorry, Norma, we're going kind of fast.
We went a little fast. Sorry about that. We'll let Ms. Norma catch up. Council members, if you could check your screen and see if your nominees have been listed.
Thank you so much, Ms. Paxson. Thank you.
I'd like to nominate Victoria Holland, Jesus Jimenez, and Johnny Filippillo.
Okay. Hold on one minute. Victoria Holland, Jesus Jimenez, and Johnny Filippillo. Okay. Okay.
Any other nominees, council members? Seeing none, we'll start from Councilwoman Vaughn's side. We have four vacancies we are appointing to, so please pick four.
Did you get it, Norma? SWAT is? Would you put your light? Yeah, let's turn mics on, yeah.
Javier Huerta. Cynthia Salazar-Garza, and Kevin Neary.
And for the record, Mr. Huerta is not related to me. He's sure.
All right. Suarez, Huerta, Salazar-Garza, and Neary.
I'm going to do a little different. I'm going to do Neary, Garza, Huerta, and Suarez.
It's still the same. Okay. Bring some flavor. Councilman Barrera.
Cynthia Garza, Victoria Holland, Jesusa Mena, and Johnny Filippillo.
Suarez. Puerta, Garza, and Neary. Councilman Roy.
I have Suarez, Huerta, Garza, and Filippella. Johnny.
Councilmember Scott.
I have Garza.
Holland Jimenez and Philip hello Councilman can to Swat is what the Garza Mary right Okay, so that's four we have
cynthia salazar garza jared suarez javier huerta and kevin neary okay those are the four appointees thank you thank you and for clarity rights to both boards it's to the type a and b yes sir um when is their next meeting their next meeting they have a special meeting right they have a meeting this thursday at one at 1 30.
Very odd. Okay. Thank you. It's a new day for type a and B board.
That's for sure the terms begin Not until the they run through the end of September.
So the the current board's terms just for clarity I
Okay, so next we have the Corpus Christi Convention and Visitors Bureau. There's one vacancy in the hotel industry category. Appointments are made by the city council from the provided list with consideration of nominations from the CCBB nominations and executive committees and the board. For each vacancy, the CCBB nominates one additional individual as an alternate per category. That's more than the total numbers of positions available. And the alternate nominee is included in your packet. So the CCBB recommends Brian Davis for the hotel industry position.
Council, do we have any motions to any additional nominations?
I'm sorry, what was the motion to approve? Okay, thank you. Recommendation.
Okay.
We have a motion and a second to appoint the recommended Mr. Davis. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, nay. Motion carries.
All right. Next is the Corpus Christi Downtown Management District. There are nine vacancies across the following categories, five agent, employee, or tenant, three property owners, and one resident. Pursuant. Yes, sir.
I'm sorry, could you put your light on real quick, Mr. Scott?
Mr. Patel is the alternate member. Right. So it's just one vacancy. So there's a contract. By contract, the CBB, they nominate an extra individual for each slot as an alternate. Their main appointee was Mr. Davis, who was appointed. But in case the council wanted to consider someone else and not Mr. Davis, then Mr. Patel would have been an option for you. Okay. Okay. thank you rebecca yes ma'am so going back to so i listed the the categories for the nine vacancies and then also pursuant to the texas local government code succeeding directors are selected based on the board's recommendation and the city council's approval So the DMD is recommending the reappointments of Jamie Barrera, Stephanie Raziel, Robert Charles, Eric Gutschow, Glenn Peterson, Joshua Richline, Caitlin Shook, and Adrian Trevino.
We have a motion for reappointment. Do we have a second? A motion and a second for reappointment. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, nay. The motion carries.
Okay. So the last board is the Ethics Commission. There are three vacancies. Members are appointed by a two-thirds affirmative vote of the full council, which is six votes. Kimberly Ballinger, Rick Barrera, and Janet Pedraza-Fonseca are seeking reappointment, and their attendance rates are included in your packets.
Do we have a motion to accept the reappointments? Motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay. The motion carries.
All right. Thank you very much, Mayor and Council.
Thank you. It is 3 o'clock, and we will break for a 30-minute recess for lunch and reconvene. Thank you. Okay, we will reconvene this meeting. Picking up where we left off, we will begin with our budget related items. Our first item under section I is item three, a public hearing and first reading ordinance adopting the Corpus Christi operating budget for fiscal year 26-27, beginning October 1, 2026. Good afternoon, Ms. Amy.
Making sure I have the correct binder. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem and Council. Amy Rodriguez, Director of Management and Budget. So today is the day we've all been working towards. I want to thank all of you for your support and thank my staff for all of their hard work, as well as the other city departments. The presentation will briefly go over our FY 27 proposed budget and the changes that we're bringing forward to you today for approval. So the FY 27 budget is balanced and the fiscal year 27 budget begins on October one of 26 and runs through September 30th of 27. This fiscal year 27 budget focuses on police and fire streets, parks, and long-term water security and wastewater management. And this is a budget that is consistent with city council and community priorities. As a reminder, the proposed budget total operating and capital is $1.4 billion for FY27. The operating budget is $1 billion, and the capital budget is the $400-some-odd thousand. That will be coming to you also for approval. I believe it is item number five today. So the team, after last week's workshop, the team went into quite a bit of work to bring forward recommended amendments to the budget. This first slide goes over changes to the general fund revenues. These are changes that we knew last week we were going to have to account for. So we reduced the transfer from the TERS funds, TERS 2, TERS 3, and TERS 4, that transfer that comes into the general fund for the administrative services support. So it is a reduction in general fund revenue. We've also reduced the proposed revenue for the proposed citation fee as we learned that that would not be an option for us. We were able to balance the budget and fund grass weed abatements at $450,000 level as well as homelessness services at $200,000. To do that, we're recommending some reductions to expenditures in the general fund. First recommendation would be to reduce the vacant director of communications position. The communications department would be consolidated with the IGR department. The next position, this is also vacant. It's a public information officer in communications. We have a vacant position in the mayor's office, which is the communication specialist position. And then we have a, it's a filled senior management analyst position in the planning and economic development department. And that is directly tied to those reduction in support for the TERS funds. We're also recommending a reduction in our budget for membership dues and sponsorships. And I know the detail's not listed here, but for the record, I wanna go through those. We're recommending to reduce the Black Chamber of Commerce annual gala. at $1,500, the TAMUCC President's Ball at $3,000, the Mayors of Military Communities at just over $4,000, the Sister City Committee at $20,000, the Chamber of Commerce Sponsorship Package at $11,750, a LULAC Foundation Lunch at $1,000, and the U.S. Conference of Mayors membership at $20,000. Additionally, we have two corrections that were identified when we went back to evaluate the general fund budget. We had two operating targets that were higher than they should have been. So those corrections were made here. Um, the mayor's office at $18,720 and the police department at $233,356. We've reduced the transfer that we make to the Information Technology Internal Service Fund in order to budget for some of their vacancy savings in that fund. And then we've reduced the transfer to the Street Maintenance Fund and the Residential Street Reconstruction Fund per the policy. This next amendment is in the street maintenance fund. It is a special revenue fund and it is the reduction of revenue that that fund would receive from the reduction in the general fund for the residential street reconstruction fund. Same thing. This is to reduce the revenue and this fund that's coming out of the general fund. Just a reminder, the street maintenance fund receives 6% of general fund revenues. And then this residential street reconstruction fund receives 1%. And so when we had to reduce the overall budget for general fund revenues, that number changed as well. This slide details the changes to our TERS II fund, and this was approved by the TERS II board on August 24th. So we're reducing the PACRI channel maintenance budget, we're reducing the transfer out to CIP, and we're reducing that transfer to general fund that I already mentioned on the general fund revenue slide. For the TERS III fund, These also were approved by the TURS III board on August 24th. We're reducing the DMD contract. We're reducing DMD right-of-way, reducing park maintenance. Bike patrol was a correction, and then reducing the DMD levy match and the transfer to general fund, which was on this slide we discussed for the general fund revenues. The TURS IV fund, this was approved by the TURS IV board on August 24th as well. We have an increase for a one-time special project for the North Beach Historic Plaza, an increase for TUR's grant match, and a decrease for the Transfer to General Fund. We've also captured the cancellation of the Homewood Suites Agreement, so we'll be reducing the proposed budget and the Type B Fund by $400,000. And just so that for the record, so everyone's on the same page, they were budgeted for $400,000 a year over a time period. And so that was what was included in the FY27 budget was $400,000. We've included the increased appropriation in the Corpus Christi Housing and Finance Corporation Fund at $600,000, and that is to fund demolitions at residential properties that are in low to moderate income sections of the city. And then this reflects that, uh, adjustment to the, uh, information technology fund that I mentioned will be reducing the transfer from the general general fund by $92,000. And that's to account for turnover in that department, basically vacancy savings. And that concludes my presentation, the, uh, budget amendments and our FY 27 operating budget. I'll stand by for any questions.
Councilwoman compost Well, thank you Amy for the presentation I know that it's a Very difficult to try to balance our needs and wants and what-have-you, but I do have a an objection to the sister city the 20,000 is there any Basically the 20,000 They have, I know, moved over to under the U.S. chamber, correct?
Yes, I believe so. Ryan will answer your question.
And I'm just worried that they are not going to have the money in order for them to be successful in the transition. I mean, they just moved over. I'm just trying to figure out because. I'm I'm a big supporter of sister city I think it's something that is you know a value to our city and and and really to the world because it's this is it starts with one city You know reaching out to another city. So again What are your thoughts about the reduction on sister city?
Yeah, councilman Ryan Skrybarczyk director of intergovernmental relations They did just move this last year to the Chamber of Commerce. Under contract, they operate the Sister City Committee. They have undertaken a number of new efforts, as well as some new fundraising efforts. I think long term, the goal of that was to make the Sister City Committee self-sustaining, and they're working towards that. Needless to say, though, we recognize we have to have a balanced budget, so I think in working with the city manager's office, we tried to identify things that were as far from operational service to the community and some things have to be cut. So we'll have to have a conversation with the chamber about what does that look like for this next fiscal year for them.
What is their budget?
I don't recall it offhand. Obviously, we provide them 20,000. I think they had received some money from, if I'm not mistaken, the port and the county as well to help fund. And then they were utilizing the Mi Casa Su Casa events, and the chamber was helping fundraise for the sister city program. Um, it's, it wasn't much in this first year. Um, they may be more successful in growing it as you are probably aware. They just came back from Veracruz, I think a very successful trip. And so I think they're gaining some attention from, um, outside community benefactors that would want to support the mission of the sister city group. So, you know, like I said, I don't have a clear answer. Obviously we need to get direction from council on if this is a, if this is a cut we're going to make, and then we'll have to work with the chamber about what the next year looks like and if they can sustain it.
Yeah, I would like to know what their budget is, just if you don't mind getting back. I'll find that out for you real quick.
Okay. Thank you.
Councilman Roy.
I just wanted to say good presentation. I want to thank the council in my absence last week. You guys did a lot of work and Carolyn, especially on the TURs. So thanks. I knew that I left everything in good hands. So thank you.
We were confident you were here with us with in spirit during this very difficult time. Amy, thank you very much for the presentation. It's never easy. It's never easy when you have to kind of choose what's our priorities versus what's our wants and working with the staff almost daily. I know the team has really put a lot of work to try to to close those gaps and so while there's a lot of things that we do want we've really had to prioritize needs we heard from the community that you know prioritizing demolishing properties and having an abatement fund were big priorities and so these sorts of things have helped facilitate those priorities so thank you for that Two quick notes. One, I did want to say that while there were given a list of sponsorships that we were going to reduce our investment in, that's in no way, shape, or form an indication of a falter in our support for our local organizations. And in fact, we're we've only downsized some of the participation some of the things that could be seen more as a social rather than supporting through business luncheons and things like that those are still going to be supported so thank you for that and then um councilman kentu has a note but i'll come back thank you
Councilman I was just gonna add to that may I pro tem that some of the some of the lunches where we have double budgets for them So to speak there was a budget in IGR but sometimes departments buy tables as well or sponsor buys a table for a city representative so to your point we'll still be attending these events either through a budget from the department budget not the IGR budget or sponsor from the community and
Thank you. And yes, I believe council members have.
Right. And then the council has money as well. Money's in one of the accounts to buy these types of things. So there's several ways still to attend them.
Thank you. This was very helpful information. Councilman Cantu.
Quick question. I was in the, I think I was going to drink. You had a add grass and weed for $4.50. So is that for up to 450,000 that we're going to have to cut grass and stuff on these abandoned homes and stuff?
Yes, sir. That's correct.
Is that enough to?
I think it's better than nothing is the response the department would give you.
Is it going to help with a lot of houses?
Councilman, when we did have the budget, it was 300, and that was for grass and dangerous structure. So now we have 450,000 just for mowing.
And then we have 600,000 for...
Right for demolition. So we have over a million dollars where the last time we had a budget was what 300,000 for all the above 300,000.
Yeah.
So before it was 300 to mow and demolish now because of the council's advocacy, we have a million for both.
Good. The $450,000 will help us clear a majority of the backlog. It'll still leave about $300,000 in abatement backlog. Um, and the 600,000 if approved will help with our demolition backlog. and can help to demolish 48 properties that fall on that low to moderate income area. That's out of the 60 that we have today in our backlog.
Got it, okay, thank you.
Peter, so this is our first reading, so we have to come back and finalize approval at our next council meeting.
Right, next Tuesday will be the second reading and adoption, so there still can be changes to this recommendation between now and next Tuesday.
Okay, so we've heard one comment in question. I would like to bring up that there's been so much work on this and I appreciate that. I think you guys have really worked with council members to make the priorities of the community and council TAKE THAT FRONT SEAT. I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TO PASS THIS BUDGET TODAY IN ORDER TO MOVE ON TO THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS PART OF THE PROCESS. BUT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE AND BEFORE WE TRULY OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AN ITEM SIX ON OUR AGENDA TO SET OUR TAX RATE. We could set that tax rate, which technically doesn't change from the rate we previously set, but there's an alternative, which would be setting the no new revenue tax rate. If I'm not mistaken, that is about $700,000. It's a difference from this total here. So I realize we can't act on the tax item here, but I did want to say before we take action that supporting this item is because we need to. That's responsible. We have to pass that. But before we go into the second reading, and as we go into the tax setting, for myself and I think several council members, that is another priority, I think, to visit. So on item six. So with that, seeing no further questions, Councilman Hernandez proves me wrong.
On the operating budget, what you had mentioned about the market rate advancement and then also a COLA, we're not doing the merit-based pay increases or we're just doing the COLA?
This year we're just going to recommend using the COLA primarily because the healthcare increases that take effect October 1. and the inflation that everybody sees out there, we thought we'd do an immediate COLA from October 1.
Okay. Well, you know, we've been through this before where, you know, we ship back forth from COLA to merit base. I think there's, you know, we need to pick one and it really should be the merit base. Pay option because in are you do is still doing employee valuations with nothing tied.
No, we still Evaluations still take place.
So We'll be beginning those in October for the executives and the I just like I said, I struggle with this going back and forth thing It's either you know, we need to make sure that we either pick one or the other I understand the market base Aspect of it and you can you know, that's that's separate from what we're talking about But the COLA portion should really be merit-based. And I really have an issue with it. We need to make sure that we set that kind of culture of you need to be productive, and it should be consummate with what you get paid. I think we're sending the wrong message by not doing that. Thank you.
Okay, then at this time, I'll open the public hearing and ask if we have any public comment on item three, which is the budget. Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion. I'll close public hearing. We have a motion to approve and a second. Ms. Rebecca, would you like an electronic or verbal vote?
We can take an electronic vote. It counts as a record vote, ma'am.
Okay, thank you. Okay, we'll move on to item four, which is an ordinance establishing compensation for the presiding judge and municipal court judges of the city of Corpus Christi beginning in fiscal year 27. Do we have someone for a presentation on this item?
Yes, judge. Let's see who's presenting on this there. Okay, the judge.
Where would I put in the flash drive?
Yeah, the PowerPoint. We're going to put up PowerPoint for this item number four, please.
I'm sorry?
I'm just talking to AB Control to put up the PowerPoint. Oh, you have it on the thumb drive? I have it on the thumb drive. Okay.
Good afternoon.
Okay, good afternoon, Mayor Pro Tem and Council. Jackie Choppa here, Presiding Judge for Municipal Court. And I'm here requesting an increase in the salaries. I do have the PowerPoint. We did request a market study on the average salary of the judges. So for the first slide, it is the full-time judges. The full-time judges' current salary at this time is $131,070.18. The average market salary for a full-time judge with municipal court is $143,196.75. So Corpus Christi's municipal court judge salary falls about 9.3% below the average market salary. For the part-time judges, Corpus Christi, our hourly rate for the part-time judges which work the weekends, um, after hours, the holidays, the overnights after their job is a 49 69. And the average part-time hourly wage is $54 and 20 cents. And that's 9% below the average salary for the presiding judge. Um, here in Corpus Christi, the, Our salary is $158,324.47, and the average full-time market salary for the presiding judge is $187,414.78, and we fall below the market salary at 18.4%. I am requesting an increase for the full-time judges. So for those full-time judges that have been present here working longer than one term, it is a 2%, which would add $2,621.40, which would total their salary at $133,691.58. If the full-time judge has been here less than one full term, I'm requesting a 1% increase, which is $1,310.70. That salary would come up to $132,380.88. That would be for the whole fiscal year a total salary of $665,836.50. If we were to bring up the part-time judges up a full 9%, it would be adding $4.47 to their hourly rate. These are categorized by hours because they're part-time. Their total amount for the year would be $239.396.48 for the presiding judge at 11% increase. That would be an added $17,415.70. And that would bring it up to $175,740.21. If we were to increase the presiding judge and the full-time judge's salary, it would still fall about 7% below the market rate still. The part-timers would be bringing up to market at the 9%. The total budget for physical year 27 is for FY27 is $1,101,898. So the total amount that we're requesting with the increase, that I'm requesting with the increase is $1,080,973.21. That does leave a little bit extra of about 20,925. This money is already allocated. I'm asking for an increase because the last increase that the judges have had is from 2023 so we're trying to number one maintain talent draw additional talent keep them here and also be competitive with the current market we're also wanting to come into the same standards as the city employees so they have had merit raises they were going to have a cola raise but our evaluation is not weighted for the merit raised to apply across the board. I have to come before you all and ask, and so this is what I'm proposing and asking.
Thank you, Judge. Councilman Barrera.
First off, Judge, you know, the excellent business person that you are, managerial, you know, you always come in with such humility with regard to the increase of your employees. I mean, I personally, I'm ready to support this right now, but I just want to commend you in the effort that you have put forward and your team has put forward. And I've always been of the argument, just like when I was running for office the last time, I was justifying Peter's pay. And the reason being is because we had to meet the market. And I think when we gave, I was part of the team or the group that gave the judges the increase back in 2023. And I said, you know, just like any other position within the city of leadership and those we recruit across the nation. And what happens when we just pay Corpus Christi rates, then we're just going to recruit people from Corpus Christi. So I think it's important that we want to be able to recruit the best talent and the individuals that that could better serve our community. And I just also want to comment at I've always been of the belief that the presiding judge should be paid more. simply because one item is that Judge Chapa took over the administration of the administrative side, whereas before the way our policy was is that all they basically oversaw was the judges. And now she's taken on that responsibility, and quite successfully, I might add. I think her first year as presiding judge, she set up an accountability system for her colleagues because basically she's just a presiding judge. And that first year, of course, it was coming out of the pandemic, so we'll qualify with that. But we were up about a million dollars net revenue under the direction of the presiding judge. And then with that, there were several, I think, department cuts that you recommended. And in the first year, I think we saved in a neighborhood of about 500,000. And then when you took over administration, then we probably saved another four to 500,000. So I just want to commend you with what's such humility that you come forward with somebody that's just done an amazing job to only ask for such a nominal increase. So it's been a privilege to work with you. And I really appreciate what you've done for the You know, for so long, municipal court was considered it's never going to get fixed. It's never going to get fixed. And you and your team and the people that you put together have just done an amazing job. I commend you. It's been a privilege working with you.
Thank you, Councilman. But I appreciate that. And all the judges appreciate that. They are very really they are all hardworking. Our full time judges work. Our dockets are ever moving. You can ask the prosecutors. They don't they don't get a break. They also sub in for nights and weekends when our part-timers can't. Our part-timers have a hard job and they do a wonderful job as well. They have a full-time job and then they come and they work nights and they come and they work weekends and they work the holidays. I'm going to pull a 7 to 10 tonight after today's day. It is just what we do, but we all love our job and we love working for the city and being a service to Corpus Christi.
Well, I was going to let the chairman speak before I did something, allow him to do something.
Councilman Roy.
Well, Roland, I think you said it pretty much all, so I'm not going to repeat that. But one of the things I know that as the chair and the committee members, we appreciate your mentorship in terms of because a lot of these judges are fairly new. Their experience levels are different. You're asking them to do a job, especially the part-timers, which who wants to work every weekend and holiday and know that that's what you're going to do? But they do it, and you've done an excellent job. the department, I don't wanna go back and repeat those things, but we appreciate that. And the other thing is, is that it's very apparent that you enjoy what you're doing. And I think that's so important because that enthusiasm and your leadership, it exudes in everything that you do. So again, I wanna thank you on behalf as the chair and the committee members to just keep doing the things that you've done. And the money that you've saved us, the policies and procedures and things that you've put in place, it's really refreshing. So thank you.
Thank you. Councilman Hernandez.
Okay, first off, let me say I don't necessarily disagree with the raises you're proposing. This is more of an issue with how these statistics are brought to us. You know, we're not competing against Dallas, Houston, and Austin, and San Antonio. We're just not. and so when we look at these numbers and i jump all over peter on this too because he does the same kind of crap is that you got to look at the three or four cities above us and the three four cities below us and that you do it so i'm not being there but i i you know we're not you know, we're not paying what they pay in Dallas or Houston. I mean, we're just not. And then we don't include the cost of living index in these numbers as well. It costs a lot more to live in Austin than it does to live here. So their pay has to be consummate with that. So I want to make sure that we're looking at apples to apples here and not just, you know, I don't want to use false numbers to justify a pay raise that really shouldn't be that way. So it's not THE NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE VERY REASONABLE. I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND HAVING GOOD FACT-BASED DECISIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING SKEWED NUMBERS. SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT FOR WHEN WE SEE THESE THINGS FOR HR THAT COME TO BRING THESE NUMBERS TO US, THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THREE OR FOUR CITIES ABOVE US, THREE OR FOUR CITIES BELOW US, THAT WAY YOU HAVE KIND OF A CLOSE RANGE. I MEAN, WE'RE 300,000, A LITTLE OVER 300,000 PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE COMPARED WITH A CITY THAT HAS A MILLION PEOPLE. RIGHT? you know, what, Arlington that's above us, maybe El Paso at 600,000. Then you have, you know, cities below us like Lubbock, Laredo, you know, that have, you know, somewhere close to us in that range. I just want to make sure we're looking at these numbers correctly. Okay. Thank you.
I'd like to make a motion to approve. Second.
Okay. Thank you very much for your presentation and for all of your hard work and your team. Thank you.
I appreciate it. And the judges, thank you. Thank you very much.
We have a motion and a second at this time. I will ask for any public comments on this item.
Rachel Caballero, D1. I just came up here to support, I saw the faces, but I'm here to support Councilman Hernandez's clarification. That's how we got stuck with a half a million dollar city manager. is that we're comparing salaries to bigger cities and bigger populations. Um, I'm not sure what the HR department is doing or the hiring department is doing, but this is HR one Oh one. is that you are getting the salaries based comparable within the community, not other communities that are four times the size within this community. And it's very disappointing Councilman Barrera to hear you say, we don't wanna hire Corpus Christi people, we wanna hire people that are not from here. I think Corpus Christi residents should be considered for every position. I know that the status quo is you gotta play, ball but if we get regular citizens in here we might not have such a toxic environment here at city hall so we do need to make sure that the salaries are comparable to other cities our size not houston dallas or of course san antonio thank you thank you miss caviero councilman von
Well, I do agree with that, that you've got to be comparable. I do. But we need to take into consideration, I'm sorry, they have not had a raise since 2023. So to me, this is going to make up for that. But I do understand what you're saying, but they have not had a raise. Thanks.
Do we have any other public comment? Okay, seeing none, we'll close public comments. We have a motion and a second. Go ahead and vote. motion passes we'll move on to item five which is a public hearing and first reading ordinance adopting the corpus christi fiscal year 2026-2027 capital budget beginning october 1 2026.
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, City Council. Good afternoon. Amy Rodriguez, Director of Management and Budget. I'm presenting to you the capital budget for FY27. Nothing has changed since our workshop on Thursday, so I'll go just a brief overview. We have our total CIP by program. You can see that water and wastewater make up over half of our CIP projects. Then we have gas, street, stormwater, airport, economic development, parks and recreation, public health and safety, which includes police, fire, and solid waste, and then public facilities. The total CIP is $530,388,875. The funding sources for this CIP program, 71.8% revenue bonds, which is the majority of our funding. And then we have operating funds, grants and other agency funds, type A and B sales tax, geo bonds, residential street fund, CEOs and the tax increment financing district, the TERS funds. We do have one amendment to the proposed CIP. This is an item that I mentioned in the operating presentation where we are reducing the contribution to CIP from TERS 2. So that would be a reduction to the Sand Dollar Avenue project and a reduction to the Packery Channel Capital Repairs project. That is my final slide. I'll stand by for any questions.
Thank you, Amy. Do we have any questions on the capital improvement budget? Councilman Hernandez.
Did we remove the Sunrise, did we remove that project, the Sunrise Beach thing, boat ramp? Did we reduce anything?
We have not made any changes to that project.
Okay, because, I mean, if you look at this, you know, over 90% of this is debt spending, right? And one of the challenges that we have is the more you borrow, the more you have to pay back, right? So what is it that we can, what else can we do to reduce this? Because I thought there was going to be some effort to try and reduce it besides just from the TURs.
Would you like CCW to answer that?
Sure, since it's one of their projects that we talked about.
Nick Winkleman, Chief Operating Officer, Corpus Christi Water. Sunrise Beach Councilman, the project, and we reviewed this, is funded by the increased rates in the park, so we left it as is. The project is fully funded by the rates generated from the park itself.
You never provided those numbers to us. I mean, because I mean, how much are the rates to park your RV there? It's not very high.
So we rate I'm going to let Camille speak to the specifics. But last budget cycle, we raised the rates over the procedure over the next five years. I'll let Camille talk through the details.
We will have to I don't have the immunity code on on On hand, but what was approved last year as I mentioned on Thursday was a five-year plan to increase those rates Proportionally as we add that so those rates are going to be going up. It's part of the ordinance and it's part of the the muni code for that park because the council they have to be approved for council like any fees and
Ultimately, it's about needs versus wants, right? And we want to make sure that we, you know, a boat ramp isn't necessarily a need. And then looking at what the projects we're doing, I've always mentioned this before, that we need to pace ourselves because, I mean, we kind of capped ourselves out on general obligation bonds. That's why we're not doing a bond election this year because we don't have the capacity for it anymore because we've kind of, maxed out the credit card, to use Councilman Barretta's favorite expression. Is there anything else we could do to help reduce some of these costs or spread this out over time?
I mean, like I've been stating for the past few years, we look at this every year. We spread out those projects as much as we can. The projects are currently, most of the CAP that is happening for water and wastewater are projects currently under contract. You have your, you know, chlorine on-site generation. You have your improvements at ONS, which are very large projects. You have your wastewater, I don't think, all of those already signed contract that just spread out over multiple years. The new projects that are coming on are, again, essential maintenance projects lines and improvements to the to the actual treatment plants there really isn't I mean we can delay projects but again that's playing the game can you can you pull up the slide in terms of what how we're paying for this uh we don't have a slide on how yes as a matter of fact it is she just mentioned that one right there oh that one okay okay out of that
Total amount there you look at 381 million dollars is revenue bonds, which is money we're borrowing Obviously we have the leftover from the the general obligation bonds and certificates of obligation But a good majority of that Is debt spending Yes, the AP is right almost primarily that spending So that's what I'm saying. And if you look at how much debt we have from the operating budget I mean, it's a, like I said, we ultimately have to pay that back. And I know some people like to say that our bond rating is tied to us doing an inner harbor desale or not, but it's really tied about revenues and how much debt we have. Right? Yeah. So I want to make sure that we're making these decisions properly not just spending to where we can. We've got to balance the... Because the more we borrow, the more it costs us to borrow that money.
I agree, but again, as you mentioned, what the rating agency also looked at are your facilities operational. Do you have SSOs? Do you have break zones? Do you have, you know, a consent decree on you? There are multiple things that are consequences of not doing projects.
Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, you know, there's a lot of former council members that, you know, are complaining about us when they got us into the situation that we were in to begin with, with not doing preventative maintenance and letting things go to bad, you know, water boils. WE ARE UNDER A CONSENT DECREE NOW WHERE WE ARE HAVING TO DO ALL THIS STUFF NOW. I REMEMBER GOING AROUND MY OWN DISTRICT AND SEEING YELLOW TAPE AROUND PARK EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT WAS UNSAFE AND THERE WAS NO PLAN TO REPLACE THEM. I FIND IT KIND OF LAUGHABLE THAT HERE WE ARE NOW BEING COMPLAINED ABOUT AND THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR BOND RATING IS GOING DOWN BUT IT WENT UP. OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. SOMEHOW WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW MUCH WE SPEND, DEBT SPEND, SO WE DON'T GET TO THOSE THRESHOLDS, SO WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE A BOND ELECTION, WHICH WE STARTED DOING EVERY TWO YEARS, BUT PRIOR TO THIS, WE WERE DOING THEM EVERY FOUR TO SIX YEARS. Right? This was, I mean, prior to 2020.
Prior to 2012.
Right. Well, I mean, we weren't doing them on a regular basis, is what I'm trying to say.
We had a 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, 22, and 24. Before that, it was every three or four years, but before 2012.
RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT MORE NOW AND WE'RE FIXING A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO BE CAUTIOUS TO BALANCE HOW MUCH WE BORROW VERSUS HOW MUCH WE DO. AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS, EVERY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WE GO THROUGH, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT WANTS, NOT NEEDS. WE DON'T WANT TO BE DOING DESTINATION BAYFRONT AGAIN WHEN WE NEED TO FIX OUR STREETS.
I agree. And as I stated, I do believe because I've done this for a very long time with the city and the foreseeable that the CCW budget for the projects is needs. It's we we have and we pushed out projects and we spread them as much as we could to make sure to not overburden.
OK, so the next question is, and I don't know if Jeff is around here or not. Oh, there he is. In their last, I know we had some trouble making our entire capital improvement plan. How much of the capital improvement plan from last year did we complete?
I think we had a slide on that last week. I think it was 90 percent. Seventy-seven, eleven, so, 80.
88%? 88%.
So, I mean, you know, you're looking at possibly a 10% that we're not going to get to.
Yeah, and what happens on that? Those roll into the next year.
I got you. I got you. So $381 million all goes to the rate payers ultimately. So, you know, we're just trying to find what the balance is. But, okay, thank you.
Councilman Barrera.
Here, I just think that, although I respect Councilman Hernandez more than ever, I think it's a period of ideology. I mean, the debt service includes the principal. Yeah, so, I mean, you could say that the majority of my home goes to cover debt service. the majority of the vehicle that I pay for goes to debt service, I mean, because I have the asset, I own the asset. So I just want to ensure, once again, it's not unsecured debt. Debt service includes principal and interest. So we have an appreciating asset. And I think, I don't think it's necessarily fair to try and blame other councils. And I know I've quoted Lloyd Neil, God rest his soul, what is it, ad nauseum, where he said, Some good people made some difficult decisions that they thought were the best thing, the best at the time. And now we have to deal with the consequences. And I think the situation that we're in now is because of the reluctance to improve our assets. And that's the challenge that we face with a consent decree. So I just want to not necessarily contradict my colleague, but just say that I feel completely different because I know that as a business owner and that supports about 50 of them around the local region with the services that we provide, we find that the most successful ones are the ones that reinvest in their business and reinvest in their assets. including their people and by, and I'm just going to throw us in there by, by offering the ability to recruit from around the state. And that allows our local people to make more money because we're comparing them to the rest of the state in a comparable market. So people are assets as well. So I just want to, I just didn't want to leave it with that. I would just want to, I want to, I want to appreciate the fact that you're doing what you can to continue to improve our assets. And I think that's one of the things, Peter, that when you came here, I think before this last council, the bond rate improved three times?
That's correct.
And that was because of the, I guess the idea is that, number one, we've started to improve all our assets. I mean, we've spent... almost a billion dollars in streets, uh, since you started with us, which was the big, I think the first, uh, the first buck parade I went to, all I heard was fix my streets, fix my streets. Now it's, you know, I need water, but anyway, um, so I, I just at least wanted to convey my opinion. Thank you.
Councilman Scott.
Thanks. Just three quick things. I appreciate you guys developing a business plan on Sunrise Beach. I guess it includes interest in principal payments, right? It's all in there. Good for you. I think the question is going to be kind of where we are next year, right? So we're going to raise the rates. We still think we're going to get 10 people to pay it and all as well. So that's what we're going to be looking for is that, you know, the impact on the the number of people that that that buy permits but thank you for that that makes me happy build a business plan tell me what you need let's fund it then let's go back during the process and see if we're accurate in our projections thank you i think this budget is really more about the connect i so i call it the canary in the mine The coal mine? I think we've got to grow. Our community needs to grow. That's the real issue is that we're seeing stagnated growth. I mean, we can blame it on each other. We can blame it on the state. We can blame it on the feds. We can blame it on world issues. But the reality is we need growth in Corpus Christi. And as I tell people, let's get more people to move to town. We'll take their tax dollars and fix your potholes. That's the humor in it. Last thing is, talk to me about Evangeline debt. How much is in, and I am being very lazy, so be nice to me. How much are we, how much is the CIP, how much is Evangeline in the CIP?
Camille will.
Yeah, so how much, so we're talking about our debt concerns, and I'm curious, how much have we borrowed so far for Evangeline? What are our, when are we going to borrow more?
So the project is 680 million. Plan for this year to borrow is $100 million of that $680. We have spent right around $89 million, $86 million to date on that project. I presented it during our workshop, but there's $100 million this year, $250 million the following year, and then the remaining the third year.
Okay, seeing no other questions, I will open the public hearing. Do we have any public comment for item number five, our capital improvement budget? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and entertain a motion to approve.
I move for approval. Second.
A motion and a second. Please submit your votes. That brings us to item six, a public hearing and first reading ordinance setting a property tax rate of 0.599774 per $100 valuation, which is effectively a 0.50% increase over the no new revenue tax rate and approving the tax roll as calculated. Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. This item before you again is a public hearing on the fiscal year 2027 proposed property tax rate and also the first reading of the 2027 property tax rate. Staff is recommending the proposed tax rate of 0.599774 per $100 valuation. This tax rate is slightly above our no new revenue rate of 0.596985 per $100 valuation. And as well below the voter approval tax rate of zero point six five four five five two per one hundred dollar valuation. Just to highlight where how our tax dollars spent. So for every tax dollar we collect fifty four percent of that tax rate goes towards our general fund which funds our public services such as fire police our library and park services. We have 36% that goes to our interest in sinking fund or our debt service fund. And that fund was debt we've issued to fund capital improvements to public safety facilities, park improvements, library improvements, and streets. And then we have 4% that is dedicated to the tax increment reinvestment zones. And 6% of our tax revenue goes to residential streets. That concludes my presentation and the staff is recommending the adoption of the 0.599774.
Seeing no questions, I will open the public hearing. Do we have any public comment on this item? Seeing no public comments, I will close the public hearing. And as a matter of administrative completeness, I will read that during today's City Council meeting, The City Council will vote on the first reading of the proposed property tax rate of .599774 per $100 valuation for fiscal year 2027 and at the September 8, 2026. City Council meeting beginning at 1130 a.m. At City Hall the City Council will vote on the second reading of the proposed property tax rate of point five nine nine Seven seven four per hundred dollar valuation Mr. Bryce Could you advise on language should we wish to make a motion to approve the no new revenue rate? We've all been provided the language to approve the recommended rate.
So this magic language is just required to adopt a rate above the no new revenue rate. But if you did want to do the no new revenue rate, it would be a simple motion to adopt the no new revenue rate.
And I would make a motion to adopt the no new revenue rate of 0.596985 per $100 valuation. Is that the correct one that was in our packet?
It would be, but we would have to reduce the general fund budget by $860,000 in order to achieve that.
That's correct. By adopting the no new revenue rate, we would have to cut the M&O or maintenance operations side of the budget by 860,000. And then that's further divvied up between general fund and streets. So the streets impact is roughly about 77,400. So that would be cut out from streets and 782,000 from general fund approximately. And I would advise council. So, uh, if you go down to the known new revenue rate, coming back up is, is, is the difficult thing to do. Uh, I would look at the past, uh, at least since 2022, our appraisal values have remained flat and have not grown significantly. And so that is why we are so compressed to the no new revenue rate. There is not really no new additional revenue coming in. And not only does that affect your M&O side, you also have to consider your INS side. If you look at your proposed budget, due to values being kind of stagnant, you are dipping into about $200 million of fund balance into your INS, to your debt service. So if you come down, so let's say the next year you have a flat property growth. If you leave the tax rate the same, you're able to shift between M&O an INS to make up any shortcomings, or you continue to dip into your debt service fund balance. So I would just give counsel that advice. And I'll stand by for any questions.
Thank you, Sergio. Councilman Hernandez.
OK, so in your presentation, you said how much of that went to debt service of our property tax, right? That was your last slide.
Yeah, it's approximately $61.5 million on that last slide.
Just for reference showed okay, so they're on the on the top on the bottom right correct your interest in sinking Yes, sir. Okay, so this is and how much of it is thirty thirty six percent your tax dollar or how much of that in actual? cost on a Since we have roughly sixty cents how much of that sixty cents is is INS?
thirty six percent of that sixty cents I'M SORRY, 22 CENTS.
22 CENTS. SO WHEN THE PROPERTY VALUES DIDN'T COME OUT TO WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE, THAT'S EVEN LESS MONEY GOING INTO THAT INS OR INTEREST IN SINKING. SO WE EVEN HAVE LESS MONEY TO SPEND TOWARDS THE DEBT SERVICE, CORRECT? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS WHY I'VE ALWAYS BEEN HARPING ON DEBT. I've always harped on that, on how we do it. And Peter, I mean, this seems like every budget cycle, I talk about how much debt we have. Well, this is kind of the challenge when you don't have the revenue that comes in with your property values, this is what you end up having. We're skirting the edge here, right? So I just wanna be very cautious that the reason we're at this cap is it because we have debt spent. And like I said, I've always said, We may not need the new car. Maybe we get the used car, right? So let's be overly cautious with this. Thank you.
Councilman Barrera.
Well, even if you have a used car, you have debt service. So, you know, once again, I think, you know, it was brought up, and once again, this is a different ideology that happens to contradict You know, once again, I want to caution my colleagues that the argument was brought up that the consent decree, we had challenges because we didn't handle our obligations. What is it? I know several of us are running for office. I'm not being one of them. What is it? And I know some people are excited about that. There you go. And so what is it? More than one. Anyway, I said some. So that's one thing that I think that right now that It's not responsible to shortchange our obligations simply for the sake of what that no new revenue rate would have. What kind of impact per household?
I don't have the exact dollar amount, but for roughly a one cent tax change. Gosh. A one-cent tax change on a $250,000 home, that's $25 a year. So $25 a year. And then what is the no new rate that you hit? It is .596985. It's a drop of .002. It's less than a cent drop. .002798. So what we're doing, in essence, is that...
What is it? We're going to save the taxpayer $25.
Probably a lot less than that.
A lot less than that. So $12.50 over the course of the year.
Point two is 20% of $25. Okay.
Amy might add. Like $5 for the year. $5 for the year. And it's going to have a budget of impact of about $800,000. Well, right now, we've increased funding to homelessness. We've increased funding. to basically for abatement and mitigation. And, you know, I just and I personally I mean, I'm a supporter of sister cities. I'm a supporter of being part of trade associations in the mayor's office. I think so. I mean, I'm I'm a supporter of trade associations in my own business. So I think it's important that we do that. However, I understand the pulse of the council. but I think for the sake of trying to save each homeowner, you know, and then several of those, I mean, we have the homestead exemption at, what, 100,000 now?
It was doubled recently, and that's part of the issue with the bond program. It's 20% of the value, so it used to be 10%, and it was doubled to 20%. That's the real reason why we can't do a bond program.
Yeah, and see, I supported that, so once again, you know, that's the real reason why we don't have bond capacities, Once again, we increased our exemption. So there are several factors with what we increased our exemption. So I just don't see that it's going to have to be cut from somewhere. And I mean, we didn't include, I see now how IGR is going to take over communications. Right. And I think he makes less than the communications officer did. You know, and so and kudos to him. He's a team player. I'm very, very proud of him. And, you know, he's willing to take it on. I think he's great. So as Mark says, when you go to Austin, he's the man, you know. So I obviously don't support this. And I personally think it's just rhetoric to be able to say, say, I save a homeowner. I saved you five dollars next year. And but you know what? I'm going to have to cut back on I'm going to have to cut back somewhere on know policing downtown i mean that's that's a poor example but we're going to have to cut back somewhere and we had this happen last year when we didn't want to attach a fee to vacant lots that weren't compliant i mean vacant homes that weren't compliant and then there was a fire in flower bluff because we didn't abate a home and then there were people that almost got killed next door so there's a consequence associated to our action so i don't support uh i i don't support uh the no new revenue rate thank you
Councilmember Scott So the number would be eight hundred and sixty total. Yes, sir And what would you say be a reduction in the street fund?
So the total is eight hundred and sixty thousand and for the street fund approximately seventy seven thousand It's going the wrong way, but I get it's it's what it's got a huge budget.
No, it's a large budget. I
It would be quite a significant, we'd have to come up with some pretty significant.
Oh, I guess that no, the eight 60, but the seven, I'm not a fan of cutting streets, right? I've been talking about this.
Yeah, that would be a right. 77,000 out of the streets operation would be significant. Got it. Thanks.
Councilman Vaughn. I always hate when we have to do this right here. It's so confusing. So what was the budget last year for the city?
The total budget was 1.4 billion was a total operating capital. This year it's 1.4, it's the same, 1.4.
Same, so we really didn't cut anything in the budget for this year. We cut stuff, but I'm just saying we didn't cut our budget.
The general fund increased slightly and some of the funds decreased. Overall, it stayed the same.
Okay, I want to see if I've got this right. So if we adopt... the tax rate of 0.59974 per 100 evaluation. We're going to save them $25. Is that what you said, Roland?
No, we're going to save the average home, the home set with the average home value, we'll save $5.
$5. So you'll save something. It's not much, but it's something. So if you do the no revenue rate, it's going to increase.
I think you have them flipped
I got them flipped.
Yeah, the .59774 is what's built into the current budget.
Okay.
So any change to that number, you would have to decrease the general fund budget.
That's the decrease. Well, I've got that written down. I just looked at it wrong. Okay, so you'd have to decrease it to $860,000. Right, correct. And where would you do that at? What would your thinking be?
I didn't recommend. You're not recommending anything. Of course you're not.
I'm having a real struggle with this because that's a lot of money you'd have to save. I know that we cut $700 and something, wasn't it?
Right. Just to balance the budget for more mowing and homelessness services, we spent the last week coming up with new ideas. But at this point, you're probably talking parks positions, library positions, co-compliance.
And what we need to remember is this. I don't like any of this, having to cut anything. But we did not get here overnight. We got here through the years, and one of the reasons we're here is because there were not things done over the past 20 years. We ignored the streets, ignored all those things. So we can't do that again. We have to do something every year to the streets, every year, to our water infrastructure, everything. I don't know where I'm going with it. But I'm just saying, I don't like raising any kind of tax at all. I'm a conservative. I do not like doing this. So we need your help.
Well, what I can say is an Amy's going to have to help me out with this. The city council in the last couple of years has reduced the property tax rate by over 2 cents. Okay. We have doubled the homestead exemption to be comparable with the rest of Texas. Uh, we've increased the senior senior exemption and disabled exemption. And then the state and the voters have approved it, have given property tax relief to businesses like business personal property. There's $125,000 exemption on all business personal property. So between the state and this, this city council, there's been extreme property tax relief given to the community, both the residential and commercial accounts. Uh, but where we're at in our budget is we've cut 20, nearly 22 million out of the operating budget. And these are recurring reductions. And so the next set of reductions, as we've said to this budget process, are the ones that the residents would now see. So it includes parks code library, we don't want to cut police, we don't want to cut fire, we're not recommending that we're not recommending cutting streets. So what's left of the some of these services that would be more ideal, not ideal, and we're not recommending them. But those are the ones we'd look at to reduce.
Well, the public has short memory, as we know. So I hope they remember the things that were done in the past where you cut homestead extension, all of that.
Well, it took us eight years to restore the library cuts that compost bought for. Animal care, we've talked about that. That budget, we've doubled, more than doubled, and we still need probably to double it. We still need more work in our streets. This year is a little bit less, and this budget coming up, it's less than the current year. So I think when you look at our, and Amy showed this during the presentation, when you take the average homestead value across eight major cities in Texas and apply that tax rate from those cities, this city has the lowest property tax payment to the city of all Texas cities that are in population from one to eight with the eighth largest. So we have the lowest tax bill when you look at the average homestead value in that community times the tax rate. Um, so we're trying to balance both. We, we support property tax relief, but we support infrastructure development, public, public safety and quality of life amenities. And we just can't do those if we don't have the revenue.
No. And the good thing is we're not raising our budget. It was 1.4 last year. It's 1.4.
It's the same budget.
We're not raising it.
And the general fund, the only increases are from contractual requirements. Yeah. Con we're required to do them. The contractual requirements. Uh, some of those are bond programs. So we have to, staff's park facilities with positions, so. Okay, thank you.
If I may, our first presentation included a few slides on the property tax rate. We have decreased that property tax rate between FY22 and FY24 by 4.6 cents. Sorry, almost 5 cents.
Almost 5 cents. Not 2 cents.
And for the last four fiscal years, we have kept the tax rate flat. And so the proposed tax rate that's before you for approval today is the same tax rate that we've had the prior three fiscal years.
So that's an important point. I said 2 cents, but it's 4.6, nearly 5 cents. And that has an impact on operating and the debt service side or to be able to do bond programs. You need value and you need a tax rate. And when both decrease, then that's when you can't do bond programs.
Councilman Hernandez, okay.
I just want to clarify a few things because Streets is 1% of the general fund when you reduce the general fund it reduces the street Funding automatically because if you reduce your so I just wanted that that Wanted to answer councilman Scott's question on that and why that gets reduced that way the other side of that is yes, we did increase the Homestead exemption from 10% to 20 to 20% and that applied into this fiscal year from 25, 26. This is the first full year that we got it because we instituted the previous year.
It's the second year in a row. It's the second year? Yes, sir.
Yeah, it was. That's right. That's right. Puzzley was still here, but I don't, I think we didn't, when we first voted on it, it didn't happen right away. Then we had to reduce our tax rate because the state instituted that no new revenue tax rate where we couldn't go above 3%. ON THE INCREASE SO WE HAD TO DECREASE OUR TAX RATE ON THAT THREE YEARS AGO. I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS WHEN THAT HAPPENED. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT WAS FORCED UPON US, NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE CHALLENGES WE FACE, RIGHT? Ultimately, I think we need to fund the streets completely I know I thought about going going to the voters and seeing if they wanted to look at you know more increasing funding towards that but You know, that's something I think we should ultimately go to the voters to or for Because I mean they got to tell us You know, to me, I'm like, Councilman Bond, I don't want to raise taxes at all. If we don't have to, I'd rather cut expenditures. But, I mean, we've cut a lot here recently. Okay, thank you.
Councilman Roy.
So, you know, when you look at the perfect storm, and that's really kind of what we're at right now, when we cut Well, when we increased the exemption from 10 to 20%, I think it put a burden on us about $10 million. So it was $10 million of a burden. It was a little over that, but right, 10 to 12 million. So that was one of the things. And then I'm not going to repeat again what Council Member Hernandez said, but then some of those cuts that we had, it was mandatory. And so we put this whole entire premise based on what we think that the property tax are going to come in and recently our property tax in terms of the evaluations didn't come in what we thought it was going to. Right. Which could happen the same thing next year. I mean it could happen. And so we go we do our best to try and put together this budget but unfortunately based on the global market, based on the local market, and there's things that we cannot overcome. And that direct effect, in terms of where we're at with our property evaluations, even though it's nice for some people not to have to pay the taxes because in the past they've had some significant jumps in their value. So we have to take all that into consideration. But I want to make sure, number one, that I understand that if we go ahead with the recommended 0.599774, then basically what that will do is that that will prohibit the average taxpayer from saving $5 a year. It's a year, right? Right. $5 a year, which is essentially somebody's gonna have to do the math but how much is that that's uh what's that a year that's a starbucks it's not a lot of money i say that it's five bucks a year um but it's about 40 cents and we heard earlier today in public comment one of the things that we heard a couple times is that they were talking about our street you know we're going we've put so much time and effort on water so much time and effort on some of the other things that we're working on our ids agreements and all those type of things where you know we've our streets uh i can't remember what street it was the day where the guy somebody said that yeah it was like they could lose their entire car it was gill's district with the it was in the park it was the bill wet
The swimming pool area. Yeah. It was in Beloit Park.
And we've heard these stories on and on again. So it's important for us to keep the streets up because if we lag and it doesn't take a lot of time, we're going to be in a lot worse shape. But again, it's because we're trying to chase a number that at the end of the day, we don't have control over anyway. And so I know people... i don't i'm not dealing with an upcoming election but for those people that are to sit there and say i didn't raise something but to cut we just went and and um houseless uh we hired that administrator for for the homeless and uh that was something that was we heard that repetitively out in the budget meetings that they wanted somebody and they wanted more staff we only we only hired one right right But they wanted more staff to help combat that. So I understand that it, but I hope that the people would understand and take a look at the whole picture. That's why I stand by at the .599774, keeping at that point, because I think it's crucial. I think trying to go ahead and cut another $860,000 out of this budget is going to be detrimental because we need every penny that we can get to continue to champion streets and champion our safety, you know, all the other things that we're doing. So I'd like to – I'm not in favor of decreasing that. Thank you.
Councilman Campos. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Okay. No one likes to raise taxes. I mean, you know. But there comes a time where, you know, what is it? Do you want to help the homeless? Do you want to take care of your abatements? We've cut so much and again the evaluation like what we expected was not there. I mean this is no one wants to do that, but I agree. I am going to be supporting it and I hope my fellow council members change their mind and support it as well. I mean, I know some of us are running for office and it looks great, like you didn't raise taxes, but at the other flip side is, you know, did you provide essential services that is needed in order for a city to function properly? I mean, look what happened last year. We cut the code enforcement by I mean, 600,000, I think. And we had so many people calling us and telling us, hey, why aren't you taking care of this? This is what city government is for so that we, and that's why we get elected, to make these hard choices. And, again, I hope that they agree with me and support this. Councilman Barrera.
Yeah, and I want to add, we're not raising taxes right now. We're just, it would basically be cutting them. We'd be saving the public $5, and then we'd have to cut back $860,000. I know I've already spoken before, but when you said nobody likes to raise taxes, we're not raising taxes. We're just keeping them flat, and we've done so for the last three years. I think that would be considered fiscally responsible. Anyway, that's it. Thank you.
I just want to make a quick comment. It's been mentioned a lot. in this discussion as far as a reference to this being campaign season. I think whether it's been an active campaign season or not, Many of us on this dais have shown the public that it's our top priority to try to work with our government entity and keep costs as low as possible, to defend lowering tax rates as possible. I don't think that's tied to an election year. I think that's a principle that we've all built up. This is a small community. We know each other, whether it's this term or not. The no new revenue rate has a fiscal impact on the overall budget of $860,000 in the last week, maybe two weeks. Mr. Zanoni, I commend you. I have watched you and your staff really pull together what was it, $1.6 million between the cuts and then finding that $600,000 in the Corpus Christi Housing I have watched this team take these priorities and really be able to identify what is savings to the ratepayer ultimately and the taxpayer. My confidence in this team doesn't falter, and my expectation isn't that this team is solely responsible. It is rolling up our sleeves and saying, let's look at the budget together and let's find what we prioritize. It is not fair, in my opinion, to throw very little feedback for new mandates at an organization that is working to serve the city. If there's something that we think, let's try, let's put this bar here and let's try to reach it. We're talking less than a million dollars to set the no new revenue tax rate. That's all that was being said here. Again, I can't underscore enough. This team, Mr. Zanoni, you and your team have worked hard to cover a $1.6 million package of priorities that this community and the council has set as initiatives. Thank you for that. In this term, I've seen you find $15 million to fully fund a project, $800 million. The list goes on and on. The team has always been able to take these initiatives and find a way to serve this community through the priorities. I personally don't feel this is that much different from that. If we say, let's look at this, let's see if we can find this in the budget. My experience is that this team has been able to step up to the plate and find it. I'll leave it at that. Council Member Roy?
So this is the second time I've spoke. And with that being said, Mayor Pro Tem, so if that is the case, then I challenge every council member during this election season, don't send out a pamphlet that has in big letters that I was a council member that didn't raise the tax rate. because you get about six or seven of those every week. And so I understand that we're saying, and let's take our rose-colored glasses off, and say that that's not used as a position in terms of campaigning. But I guarantee you right now as I sit here, because I see it almost at every level of government, were the first thing that people are going to do. And they'll use that against their opponent. They'll say, oh, my opponent levied to raise taxes. Then don't do that. Don't get caught up in that. If it's the right thing to do and take care of us in terms of making sure that we have the streets and the necessities in terms of making sure that we take care of the people, then let's do that. But shame on anybody that sits there and the first thing they do is use that on a pamphlet in the mail. So thank you.
Councilmember Scott so so I would I'm gonna support the the five five five nine nine seven seven four and just I think that's good public policy personally but if we do the other rate the first thing I'd recommend you do is begin to back out the stuff that we've added at the council level I think that's I think that's that's where I would start um so if you're asking if we're all supposed to roll up our shirt sleeves and I didn't mean that that came out wrong. If we all should be, if you're asking us to, or if we're being asked to tell you what we think, that's what I think. So, uh, but, uh, I'm going to support the 5 9 9 7 7 4. I think it's a good public policy. I respect other people's opinions, but I wanted y'all to hear mine.
I think of council member Scott comes, we'll move on. I actually agree with Mark, which is very unusual, but I do. I think if we're going to cut, because we had to cut to find the money that we wanted for the things that we added. So if we don't have the money for those, and we obviously want to do those things, and we need to cut another million, or 800-something, 60,000, then I think we have to look at the things we just cut. And we may just say we can't do it if that's what the vote's going to be.
Okay, seeing no more comments, I believe we have a motion and a second.
We seconded the motion, ma'am.
Councilmember can't you can't you did okay?
Okay, so we need to yeah If I could never pretend if I can just crack back I believe to accomplish what your motion is the proper motion probably to amend the ordinance to adopt the no new revenue area and Then and then adopt the ordinance as amended and then a top what? Then then pass over then vote on the ordinance as amended.
Okay So we'd need to change the moat
So the ordinance before us is for the .599774, but if the will of the council is to approve the no new revenue rate, then you would amend the ordinance to adopt the no new revenue rate. So you'd amend the ordinance and then vote on the ordinance as amended.
Okay. So we would be first voting on an amendment, and that'll get voted up or down, and then we'll go back to the language of the actual ordinance. Okay. Does everyone understand that? All right.
I'm sorry.
So the motion that was made is going to be an amendment to the ordinance. So rather than a motion to set, it's a motion to amend to the no new revenue rate.
You ready, ma'am?
The amendment fails. Do we, so now we would just vote on the ordinances as stated?
Yes, that's correct. I would move that the property tax rate be increased by the adoption of a tax rate of 0.599774 for $100 valuation, which is effectively a 0.50% increase in the tax rate. Second. We have a motion and a second.
Please submit your vote. Okay, the motion carries. That moves us on to item number seven, which is an ordinance amending the code of ordinances, chapter nine, aviation section 9-35 parking rates by revising the parking rate for long-term parking.
That required, I'm sorry, that required six votes, I believe. Yes, and that was just five votes. So if you're going to go over the no new revenue tax rate, then that requires six votes to pass. So there were just five votes. Yes, the right right the final vote to pass the revenue rate will require the 60% Now you need six votes for For this it's a point five increase over the no new revenue. So that requires six votes.
So we have to read cast a vote Well, I mean if someone Do you need someone on the prevailing side to request recall?
No. Well, yes, we do need to reconsider. We're going to need to reconsider it to vote it again. Do you feel the vote would change at this point? Oh, they're conferring. Let them confer.
I would say the 60% to adopt it, yes, to reading. Okay.
Okay. So it'll be six. So then that would give us the six vote threshold. Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.
Do we need to go through the vote again or you can just change the record?
I'm okay as long as everyone's okay with that. If we just note for the record that, well, you know what? It has to be a record vote. It has to be a record vote. So yes, we are going to need to vote again.
Okay. Hail Mary. Councilman Vaughn.
Mr. Sinoni, so basically what we're saying, if we don't vote for this, we're not going to have enough money to cover the budget, right? So anybody up here voting no for political reason or whatever, you're going to have to vote no on covering the budget because you didn't vote to fund the budget. That's right. It's an FYI. They can also find the $800,000 and don't pay somebody more. I mean, it's the same thing.
I mean, find $800,000 a year.
miss huerta do you have it queued up yes ma'am we do okay if you'll please submit your votes um okay moving on to item seven ordinance amending the code of ordinances chapter nine aviation section nine dash three five parking rates by revising the parking rate for long-term parking at the corpus christi international airport i move for approval we have a motion and a second for approval council member scott your question yeah i do this is one of those where you wake up at 11 there like what really uh
I'M GOING TO HOPE YOU PRESENTED THE ONE WORKSHOP I WOULDN'T HEAR. SO WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW AIRPORTS THAT HAS FREE PARKING. WHAT'S THIS, PAGE 4 OF YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS?
YES. WE PROVIDE MAYOR PROTEM AND COUNSELOR SCOTT, WE PROVIDE THREE HOURS FREE PARKING FOR ANYBODY WHO COMES TO THE AIRPORT.
YEAH. I'VE USED IT. BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE OTHER AIRPORTS DON'T.
There's a few comparable in McAllen and Harlingen. They do about 30 minutes and one hour. So there's some that still give a little bit across the nation. But those are the closest ones, and they provide it.
And that's why our usage, is that the purple? Is that based on, I don't know, because it's free, right? So free parking. in in that we weren't able to show hourly but yeah that's showing the three hours compared to uh McAllen and Harledge and let me look at it and the new revenue goes to I'm working on my uh my my my my luggage uh walkway that's that's all that's all I'm focused on is a smooth walkway for people to carry drag their luggage from long-term parking
so this is a five-year plan it's been forecasted and everything and we had to do a reset because the numbers were showing that we weren't meeting it this year we forecast that we'll make 3.5 million dollars is that the 27 that's a year-to-year year-over-year change of a negative 142 000 um yes because of the the shift they were really aggressive on what they forecasted out and so we really need to go back and adjust the numbers and everything and that's why you see that major drop we were just weren't hitting the target that they had uh expected and that's a revenue target yes and so the answer is to raise the rate Well, so what's happening is on that is that you see the reduction in some of the flight operations and everything and the employments and all. But we're still getting the vehicle traffic and everything in there. We're still filling in about 65% to 70% in all the areas. So we're still maintaining it. But it's just when you look at the overall flow. So does this mean you're going to need to raise it again next year? we will take a look at it because we're at the end of the five-year plan so over this next year we'll do a review do a comparison to the other airports comparable to our size and we'll look at that right because it needs to break even right i mean that's yes so it is what it is i'm fine i just saw it and
Just start now paying attention. I apologize for late notice, but I Found it interesting.
Thanks a big thing for us on this is that you know We just spent six hundred thousand CIP for a project and then this will do for the walkway and other capital project for the expansion the Long-term parking area, which would be about 2.5 million. So this will go towards that helping with that.
I Don't have any questions. Do you need to briefly maybe highlight your presentation? Is there anything pertinent? I
through it real quick real briefly so we're looking at the current is ten dollars going to eleven dollars which is comparable to both mcallen and harlingen if you look at the rates this was the five-year plan before this rates hadn't been raised for over four years we'll be right on target with the other airports and then as a comparison look at it just from a bar chart
and really that is it okay well thank you very much thank you so much at this time i will open for public comment does anyone have any public comment on item seven okay seeing none i have a motion and a second i believe rebecca if you want to go ahead and everybody can cast their vote Okay, we'll move on to item number eight, an ordinance amending various sections of the Code of Ordinances, Chapter 21, solid waste, by revising applicable charges related to mulch and composting and amending disposal rates at the transfer station for commercial loads and implementing volume limits on residential bulk drop-off.
I move for approval.
We have a motion and a second. Does anyone, I will open public comment at this time. Does anyone want to make public comment on item eight? Okay, see, Councilman Hernandez.
Hey, I'd like to hear a little bit, well, I'd like to hear about the mulching stuff. So you're doing a lot of good work. I'd like for the public to hear it.
Sure. I do have a little presentation here. Phillip Walters, Director of Solid Waste. Composting, what did I say? You said mulch, but and composting.
Composting, that's what I meant to say.
So as you know, we've been constructing a compost, a registration level compost facility. Actually happy to report it's built, it's done, it's complete. We had our liner certified by our engineers, submitted the certification to the TCEQ. We're a couple of weeks out from getting the green light to go out there and start making some compost. What we'll be doing is we'll be taking the mulch or the brush from your brush and bulky curbside and what customers drop off at the transfer station. They bring it in. So we'll mulch it up and we'll mix it with biosolids from the wastewater treatment plant. And that will produce a product of nitrogen-rich compost of soil amendments that we can add to the, you know, people can add to their lawns and whatnot. We've had a lot of good outreach with the golf courses. Foresight Golf, they're really interested in it for the Zono Golf Course. Some parks and different things like that, different nursery skills, nurseries and whatnot. Let's see here. That's a couple of photos of the facility. Not much to look at right now, but we'll have a proper grand opening soon. We'll have equipment, activities going on to look at and whatnot. So we'll have that for you. Any other questions?
No, thank you. And it's some good work out there. Hopefully we can get some revenue from it. Yes, sir. Thank you.
Okay, I believe we have a motion and a second. Please submit your votes. brings us to item amendments amending corpus christi code section 36-7 to update rental rates and recreation fees for city sports fields and the after our kid power daily drop-in program i move for approval he's looking at us we have a motion and a second for approval councilwoman vaughn
You know, we're going through these so fast, the public needs to know what we're voting on.
Well, we had workshops.
I know that, but everybody didn't do that. Most of these people weren't at the workshops. At least do a quick overview, please.
There we go. So just a little bit, obviously, adjustments are necessary because of market inflation, increased cost of materials, as well as equipment. We as a staff have reviewed other state municipalities and determined that Corpus Christi is still one of the lower markets that we have in these areas. For non-use agreement, notable changes to the fee schedule include a new rental fees specifically for the artificial turf fields to be used with or without lights. Parks and Recreation proposes adjustments to decrease decrease rental fees for natural grass fields and to be used with or without lights. For field of use agreements, Parks and Recreation proposes an increase in rental fees for natural grass field used with or without lights. And after our kid program, Parks and Recreation proposes to increase the daily drop-in rate to maximize the state funding. And that is the end of our presentation. Obviously, staff recommends approval of these amendments.
Thank you, Mr. Dodd. Councilman Hernandez.
Real quick, you know, we get the complaints about some of the leagues that are renting our fields and then charging exorbitant amounts to use our fields. Have you been able to address that in terms of how that works?
Obviously there's been a lot of discussion. We met with council members the other day and we're trying to address that. We're going to put in some, we're going to work on putting in some things, maybe some profit sharing, things like that. Maybe a max of the gate entry fee, things like that. Maybe go into a cashless. So we're more aware of what they, uh, what they're making at their week weekend.
So the cashless thing is probably an important thing because I think this was the complaint at Oso is that they, they, you had to pay cash, so it wasn't traceable for that. I don't know if that's something that we should audit, or do we have a requirement for audits with our contracts? Maybe we should have an audit requirement.
I'm almost sure that we should have access to their to their books at any point in time, correct? Yes, sir. That's right. So we have access to their books and to things that they're doing on the weekends as far as tournaments.
Okay, I understand that people make, you know, there are some, these are non-profit organizations that make money through tournaments and stuff like that, but I think there's got to be a balance when it's a city facility that they're, you know, making money from, especially if it's an exorbitant amount of money. And it's cash only. Yes. So I think it's a I think it's something we need to be very Cognizant of and and watch So we you know, we're not Injuring or Overcharging our residents to use our facility that they're paying taxes on most definitely.
Yes, sir Thank you And and just so you're aware we we've used this cashless before in the past when we did games of Texas, I guess about three years ago So we've done that in the past, and we're looking at, again, doing this into our ball fields. Thank you.
Yes, sir.
Councilwoman Vaughan. Would you just explain to the public the $25 drop-in fee to the 35 so they understand the reasoning for that?
Okay, and we're moving from $25 to $35 on the after-hour kid power. And so, again, last year only two families were affected from this. This does not affect our registered current families or any students that we have. And just to break it down easy like I did last time, we have our workforce group. Uh, that they paid that daily drop in fee of $35. Uh, parents don't pay for anything as they're at work or school or whatever that is. We have our, uh, and I guess clients that pay $109 a month for the service of after school. And then this drop in rate, again, we had two of them last year. that something happens during the school day and they don't have somebody to pick them up, so we have to have this daily rate drop-in fee, and then they paid that. Again, there was only two of those last year.
Okay, because it's state reimbursement, correct? Yes, ma'am, state reimbursement. I just want them to hear that. They're not going to have to pay that.
To be honest, and I mentioned this to Michael earlier, we're going from $25 to $35. The state will pay up to $45.
Gotcha. Okay, thanks. Yes, ma'am.
I think you said you only had one or two persons that took advantage of this in the whole last year?
Of the daily rate, yes. The daily rate. That's not a part of any of our clientele or workforce.
Okay. Council Member Scott.
Yep. I'm going to wade back in and take two minutes. I think you guys are doing great work. I think you touched the public in ways none of the rest of us touch. And that's important. And I think people appreciate what you guys have been doing to improve the fields across town. previous council bond initiatives, which thank you all. And then thank you for the way that you're beginning to move and how we manage those fields. The people that I talk to that play tennis, that play pickleball, that are swimmers, yeah, they always have an opinion, by the way, which I don't wanna hear at six in the morning, incidentally, on a bike ride, but they are genuinely appreciative of all the work you do. And I just, I know you get, Plenty of people calling to complain that a lights out. I just want you to know there's a lot of people that appreciate our parks department Thank you.
Yes, sir. I got I got a very very good team.
So thank you councilman Hernandez Sorry, this was brought up at public comment earlier. We have potholes at the parking lot bill wit Yes, I address them and while we're waiting for the bond project to come online to to get that addressed.
We'll look for Something to hold that over until we finish the bond part. Okay.
I don't want to be remiss and say I didn't mention it. Yes, sir. Thank you.
Everybody knows now. Thank you.
Okay. Rebecca, forgive me. Did I take public comment on this item? No, ma'am. Not yet. Okay. Then I will open for public comment. Do we have anyone that would like to make public comment on item number nine?
Rachel Caballero, D1. I just want to change a narrative here. When our community is calling to report that a light is out, that's our way of contributing to the city and saying, hey, please come repair this light. It's not complaining. It's us being involved in our local government saying, hey, it's unsafe. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you.
Thank you.
Councilmember Scott.
Yeah, let's let's be very clear No one has called me to complain that a light is out that was an example of I know you guys get criticism from time to time and Frankly, I had it this morning on a bike ride that we've moved the pickleball court starting times from 8 to 9, and I know that's important to people, but I wanted you all to know that I hear a lot of compliments. So just thank you, Ms. Caballero. I just want to make sure everybody, I was an example, and I guess it may have been a poor one. No one's complained about bikes being out.
Yes, sir. Thank you, Councilman. I understood. Thank you.
Okay.
Ms. Rebecca, did we have a motion and second on this one?
Yes, we did.
We did. Okay. So if you'll please submit your vote. Councilman Cantu.
Quick question. Just being courtesy to ask, there's a briefing in the very end with the Royces River Authority and they're here and I know they're from like San Antonio, Austin area. I hate for them to go all the way out there at midnight. Is there any way we can move that briefing up ahead?
We'll make consideration for that, but we need to get through budget items, so we have a few left for that.
Yeah, of course. Thank you. Thank you.
Item number 10 is an ordinance amending various sections of the Code of Ordinances Chapter 18, Fire Prevention and Protection, by revising applicable rates, fees, and charges related to service calls. Good evening, Chief.
Okay, good evening. Brandon Wade, Fire Chief, Corpus Christi. If we can get the presentation up. So this is what we went over in the budget workshop, I believe a week, two weeks ago, amending some of the ordinances that we have here. So one of the first ordinances that we will see and talk about is gonna be for hazardous materials. Again, we've already had this within the system. What we're doing is amending the language, which will allow us to be able to, get advanced cleaning on our personal protective equipment if we go to various fires. Before, we could get reimbursement for actual disposables, things that we used. We just wanted to make sure the language was very clear because now that we deal with lithium-ion batteries, we have to send our gear off for advanced cleaning, and we want to be able to recover that cost when we go to that. The other adjusted fees are for fire prevention. These are the things that we're looking to add into that. One of those is for doing plan reviews for battery and energy storage systems for emergency responder radio communications. Those reviews also high piled storage and buildings and the sprinkler systems that go with it. And then, of course, being added into the early assistant meetings. I believe the city already charges for early assistance meetings for developers and businesses that are coming in. The fire department was never included in that. So we participate in all of those meetings. So we're just looking as we sit in those early assistance meetings to be included in that. And then the last is an adjustment to the ambulance rates. This goes into what the ambulance inflation factor that the Center for Medicare and Medicaid will send out this year. the adjustment is a 2% increase into those rates. That is the total which is projected that may come in with the adjustments of the rates and the fees for the fire department. And with that, we'll stand by for any questions.
Councilwoman Vaughn.
I'm not picking on you.
It's okay.
The thing that stands out to me is the ambulance rate.
Why are they so high? You know, people complain about it all the time, especially elderly. I know people have insurance, but with that, I mean, I see all the other things because some of these you weren't even charging for. You really got to do the ambulance rate.
So, yeah, so I'm going to bring up Deputy Chief David Sines.
Yeah, throw it off of you. Go ahead.
He's going to speak on it. Remember, Chief Urban was here last year and I think gave a great explanation for it, but we're going to let Chief Sines explain some of that as that falls under his division.
How you doing? David Sines, Deputy Chief, Corpus Christi Fire. The rates are pretty much based on what it costs us to provide service to the citizens of Corpus Christi. The rate increase of 2% is based off of what the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services dictates we do to be fiduciarily responsible to our citizens. We have a cost. And out of that cost, Medicare, Medicaid, it's not necessarily going to be a 2% increase to the end user, correct? Okay. It's a 2% increase to the total. So you have a $1500 bill. The bill is now going to be, it's going to go to Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance. They're going to say, we're not going to pay, say, $600 of that. There will be a $900 bill, if you will. $700 is going to be covered, say, from Medicare and Medicaid, and the other is going to go to the copay. The copay could stay the same. It's not a 2% increase to their copay. It's just the fund of the $1,500. So that's where we get our rates. The rates are the rates. We have to buy equipment. We have to buy medications. All the supplies that we use for our calls, And there's thousands and thousands of calls that we go to. So it's not going to increase 2% to the end user per se.
Okay, and that's my concern. I don't want them to have to pay it. Somebody's going to pay it.
Or we absorb the cost.
Yeah, okay.
And we don't balance bill. There's none of that.
You explained it very well.
Thank you. Any other questions?
Okay, I see no more questions here. I will ask for any public comment. Is there anyone who would like to comment on item number 10? Okay, seeing none, I believe we had, do we have a motion and a second? Yes, so we can cast our votes. Okay, that brings us, we got two more under budget. Item 11 is an ordinance amending section 14. Section 14-1341 of the Corpus Christi Code to add a fee for processing petitions for annexations.
Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, Council, Yvette Wallace, Interim Director, Development Services. I will keep this one slide just for the sake of time. And just a real quick recap. Annexation is a formal process by which a city expands its boundaries to include nearby incorporated land. Once annexed, the boundaries then become part of the city and receive our city services, regulations, and taxation. So for those of you that are aware, annexation is moving back to development services. It was once with development services, went to planning, and now it's coming back to development services. And there is a fee associated with all of the services that we do. So the fee that we are proposing today is $50 per acre with a minimum of 250 and a maximum of 3000. And that's after pulling other Texas cities to see what, what their average is. And so the average right now is about $869 across all of the Texas cities that charge for annexation. And this is pure cost recovery. It's set pretty low this year because we really don't know the level of involvement for public notice, all of the caller times notices that we have to put out. But we do know what that average cost is, which is why we did the minimum 250. And we'd be looking at bringing back in future fiscal years a true cost recovery if we need a larger amount.
Thank you very much.
May I stand by for any questions?
Councilman Vaughn, did you have a comment? No problem. Councilman Hernandez.
The state changed the law on the city being able to annex unilaterally, so it has to be requested annexation now. If we're going to charge a high fee, wouldn't it discourage people from annexing into the city?
That's why we set the minimum at $250, so it's $50 per acre. Most of the annexations we see are 5 to 10 acres. I mean, we're not going to get into the very high acreage of 100 to 200 acres, which could get into that maximum amount. So the 250 is really cost recovery for the cost of public notice.
Well, I mean, but if you have it on a per acreage basis, the more acreage you do, the higher the cost, right? But I mean, does that change your processes if it's 50 acres versus 10 acres?
So it could change the amount of public notice it's required. So the larger the acreage, the larger the 200 buffer is for notification that we'd have to send out. So that's still an unknown.
What I'm saying is that I'm looking at actual cost as opposed to a source of revenue. THE THING IS I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM ANNEXING THE CITY IF IT'S JUST ANOTHER COST TO THEM. SO I WOULD LOOK AT THAT, PETER, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES NOW, I MEAN, OUR ANNEXATION LOOKS LIKE A CHECKERBOARD THAT WE'RE MISSING A FEW PIECES BECAUSE OF HOW THE NEW STATE LAW WORKS. SO I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO ANNEX. SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE RECOVERING YOUR COST BUT NOT creating so much of a cost that you prevent people from doing it. Let's not make barriers to people entering the city.
So understood. And just for clarification, the annexations that we brought in the past few years have all fell within that $250 minimum range. So it would really be cost recovery. And again, we wouldn't look to bring something back.
And that's fine. Cost recovery is fine. It's just, you know, let's not look at it as a revenue source. Understood. Because I want to encourage people to join the city. Thank you.
second we have a motion and a second for approval thank you miss wallace i'll open for public comment is there anyone that would like to comment on item 11. okay seeing none we can cast our votes Okay, motion carries. We move on to item 12, an ordinance amending various sections of the Code of Ordinances Chapter 49, Streets and Sidewalks, and Chapter 53, Traffic, by reinstating applicable fees for oversized and overweight structures, removing fees related to meter bagging, removing duplicate language. Good evening.
Good afternoon, Mayor Pro Tem and Council. Ernie De La Garza, Interim Assistant City Manager, Director of Public Works. So the item being presented today is in order to many various sections of chapter 49 and chapter 53 Okay, so chapter 49 of our municipal code assigns responsibility to the administration of right-of-way management policies and procedures to public works director as part of our administrative duties and We are responsible for issuing permits and licenses. This slide summarizes specific changes to the various ordinance sections, including reinstating fees for the administration of oversized and overweight structures, removing fees related to meter bagging, and removing duplicate fee schedule in our code. And so our city staff is recommending amendments to the ordinance as proposed, and we're also requesting adoption as the fees as shown on this slide. I'm going to stand by for any questions.
Second.
Okay, we have a motion and a second for approval. I'll open public comment. Anyone would like to comment on item 12? Seeing none, we can proceed to cast votes. Thank you, Rebecca. Thank you, Ernie. OK, that brings us to Section J, our consent agenda. This is items 13 through 17. Do I have a request to pull any items 13 to 17? Seeing none from the council, do I have any requests from the audience to pull any items 13 through 17? Okay, seeing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve.
Motion to approve. Second. Second.
We have four motions to approve and second. Okay, please submit your votes, council.
Okay, could we do a voice vote on this one, please?
Absolutely. All in favor to pass consent agenda items 13 through 17, aye? Aye. Any opposed say nay. The motion carries. All right, that moves us to our public hearings. I'm sorry?
I was supposed to speak to 16.
Oh, we didn't have it pulled. What are you representing on item 16?
She wants to make public comment in 16.
Okay, all right Oh, I'm so sorry typically that typically we use those synonymously I apologize just will it go ahead I Know you've been here all day I have I All right. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Barbara Lopez, and I'm from San Patricio County. Today, I'm speaking on behalf of concerned citizens from San Patricio County and surrounding communities who have come together to raise awareness over this Evangeline Groundwater project. I want to talk about something that seems to be missing from this conversation. I heard it mentioned earlier in public comments as well, and that's trust. You guys want San Patricio County back at the negotiating table. You want our communities to believe that Corpus Christi wants to be good neighbors. But all along, you're asking us to come back to the table. Corpus Christi continues moving the Evangeline Groundwater Project forward and continues committing your taxpayer dollars to it. Your own presentation says that this project includes 22 additional wells, approximately 35 miles of well-filled water lines, a connection to the Mary Rhodes pipeline, a storage tank, and a 24 million gallon per day pump station. Your presentation also describes transmission pipeline installation, well collection pipelines, a temporary pump station, pumping equipment, electrical infrastructure, access roads, and even well pad construction. On the agenda today, you're asking to approve even more taxpayer money associated with moving this Evangeline project toward construction. And the groundwater permitting process isn't even finished. The people whose wells, homes, farms, and communities that surround this proposed well field are still fighting to have our concerns heard. we have a simple question how can you ask us to negotiate with you while you're building toward the very project we're asking you to slow down and reconsider that is not negotiation negotiation requires both sides to realize that the outcome hasn't already been decided if you genuinely want us back at the table give us a reason to believe you're listening to us because every additional dollar committed to evangeline makes it harder to believe that you are And Corpus Christi taxpayers should be asking these questions too. How much money are you willing to commit to a groundwater project before all of the necessary permits are even secured? Your presentation says the Garney construction contract alone reaches approximately $398.6 million. That's an awful expensive cart to be building before you know whether you have permission to hitch the horse. And let me be very clear about something. San Patricio County is not Orange Grove. We have a groundwater conservation district. We have rules. We have the Texas Water Code and we have citizens who are paying attention. If this project moves from preparing infrastructure to drilling, producing or transporting groundwater without permits that are legally required, We will expect our groundwater conservation district and every appropriate legal authority to enforce the law. And we will use every lawful avenue available to us to make sure that happens. We don't want Corpus Christi to go without water. We're asking you to pursue water solutions that don't require sacrificing our community groundwater security to solve your own water crisis. If you truly want San Patricio County back at the table, show us. Don't just say you're a good neighbor, be one. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your comment.
Councilwoman Vaughn. Mr. Sinoni, do you want to address that at all? Because there's two sides to every story.
Well, so there's a production permit already approved by the Groundwater Conservation District. And so there's still 100% room for negotiating what happens at the well field. Uh, we've gone as reducing the amount of water that would be produced by less than half of what we could. Uh, that's been on the table with the groundwater conservation district and the city of Sinton. Uh, we've tied, uh, other restrictions to Western reservoir levels. Uh, so we've, we have, we spent a lot of time negotiating, um, over a year in fact. And the work that's being done right now is not, it doesn't mean we have to produce the water at that rate. The number of wells would allow for better water management, whether they're in production or not. So we're very much open. One key thing is that the county of San Patricio County uses in total with all their customers about 41 million gallons of water every day, 41 million. In the county, only 1 million comes from San Patricio County. The 40 million comes from Nueces County, from Jackson County, five of the counties in Texas. So the region is supporting San Patricio County with 40 million gallons of water. San Patricio County produces one million to serve the rest. So this is very much about us trying to help the region and have better water security, most notably for San Patricio County, who uses 40 million gallons from Nueces and four other counties. Yes, ma'am.
Thank you, Mr. Zanoni. All right, we'll go to section L, public hearings. The first is item 18, zoning case ZM9336, Texas Tyler 31 LLC in District 3. Ordinance, I'm sorry? I'm going to approve. We have a motion to approve. Second. And a second. Do we have any public comment on item 18? Okay, seeing none, we can move to vote. Did I miss? Okay. Did we complete that last vote? There it goes. Okay, perfect. That brings us to item 19, a zoning case number ZN9319, CC Leopard, LLC, District 1.
I'd like to make a motion to approve. Second.
We have a motion and a second to approve. Do we have any public comment for item 19?
And this is a public hearing just to, so we'd open the public hearing and then ask for public comment.
Thank you, Ms. Rebecca. We will consider this public hearing open. Do we have any public comment on item 19? Seeing none, we'll close public hearing. Please submit your votes. Okay, that brings us to item 20, zoning case number ZN9318, K and CB Investments LLC in District 2.
Second.
We have a motion and second for approval. We'll open this public hearing. Do we have any public comment for item 20? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. Please submit your votes. Okay, that brings us to item 21, ordinance annexing a 0.99-acre tract of land located at the southwest corner of County Road 47 and FM 43 per petition by the landowner, Plaza Micoana, Inc., approving the related service plan, adding the annexed area to City Council District 3. seeking removal of annex territory from ESD rezoning the 0.99 acre from the FR farm rural district to the seat in one neighborhood commercial district My dice interim assistant city manager, so this is a annexation out of 43 Similar to one we had a couple weeks back for a dollar general.
Although this one is has commercial already on both sides So as you see from the map, it's a kind of catty corner from the London schools. Uh, the actual location you'll all know is the fireworks stand out of 43. Uh, so this will convert from the fireworks stand to a proposed, uh, fast food Mexican restaurant. Um, everybody loves fast food and they need it out in London.
We have a motion to approve and a second. We'll open this public hearing. Do we have any public comment for item 21? Seeing none, we will close public hearing. Please submit your votes. OK, the motion passes. That brings us to the section M, individual consideration items. Before we go into individual considerations, Mr. Zanoni, oh, he stepped out. We will bring section N up for consideration for the individuals who've been in audience all day and do item 26 first.
26 right main part time. Oh No, Nick is going up.
Yep. I'll introduce them.
Okay But for IDA IDA NRA and IDA ID ID. Yes, sir Okay, I'm sorry no, we're good Nick's just gonna introduce the two speakers for the next thank you Thank You.
Mr. Winkle man
Nick Winkleman, Chief Operating Officer, Corpus Christi Water. This is a briefing on the Harbor Island Project, which is the Nueces River Authority Seawater Desalination Project. With us today is their Director, John Byrum, their Deputy Director, John Chisholm, the Board President, Eric Burnett, and a representative from IDE, which is Mark Allison. We're very thankful for them being here with us tonight. to brief us on this project. Before I turn it over to Mr. Byrum, I would just like to remind the council what has been previously approved. We have it up on the screen. So as a council action item on October 7th of 2025, it was for a non-refundable option for potable water reservation of approximately 50 million gallons a day in the amount of So that fee has been paid, and because of that, that allows for us, CCW and the city to work with NRA and its conveyance pipeline designers in an effort to ensure that the conveyance pipeline is designed in a manner that would be beneficial to Corpus Christi water in the city of Corpus Christi. We have had multiple meetings with their design engineers, and we will continue to do so. With that being said, I'd like to introduce John Byram to come up and provide us with an update on the Harbor Island project.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Winkle.
Good evening, members of council. Thank you for having mercy on the old man that was sitting back here. This got to drive home a couple of hours. Thank you. So, yes, we wanted to come and give you an update and thank you for allowing us to do that on where we're at. We're kind of tickled. To give you some review, you know the Nueces River Authority was created in 1935. We've got 91 years experience in protecting the valuable resources of the Nueces Basin and we can do work in the Nueces Basin and if requested outside that basin area to the 17,000 square miles. I work for a governor-appointed board of 21 directors, basically one from each county. There are two from this county generally, two from San Patricio County, so the majority of the area population is in this area, and that's where they put the majority of the board members. Now as a part of what we do, we do state planning. We work with the Texas Water Development Board in planning for the region. In Coastal Bend area, we are the sponsors for that area for the Texas Water Development Board. We manage that contract and we make sure the meetings are held in accordance with the Public Open Meetings Act. And I am a voting member of Region L, which is up around the San Antonio area. I've heard a lot of talk about today is how much water is needed, how much water is needed. Well, this is the tool that the state uses to formulate how much water is needed in particular areas. And it's done by data. It's data-driven process, and it's driven from the bottom up. So we look at the demands of what has happened over the last 10, 15, 20 years. And the population growth not only is what's happened in the past, but what is going to be predicted for the future. With that demand, we come up with the amount of water that is needed for particular areas. There's 16 of those groups and we update that plan every five years. We're just now getting started on the next five-year planning cycle. And these are very, very important numbers that are produced from these 16 regions. They go together and they form what's called Water for Texas State Water Plan. Now, this is facing the gap and projected shortages. Those are shortages for Regions L. That's the San Antonio area, that 35 corridor that's just all the way to San Marcos. It's just growing like crazy down to Victoria, Texas, over to Uvalde, Texas, where our home office is. So it does take in some of the Nueces Basin. It also includes this 11-member or 11-county area down here, Region N. If you look, it says in 2030, we have a deficit. We have a need of 202 million gallons per day. That's a lot of water. We're proposing 100 million gallons a day. You're proposing other water that will get close to that, but will still fall behind in the coastal bend area if we don't continue building water supplies. That grows by 2080 up to 508 million gallons per day. Now, one thing I want to talk about is you hear a lot about industrial water, water for industry, water for manufacturing, and none of that growth happens. is included in those future numbers. The Texas Water Development Board will not let you plan for future manufacturing and future industrial growth. That is because it's so hard to predict. We don't know where those are going to end. That's municipal and the industry that you have currently. That doesn't look at any growth in those areas moving forward. So I think that's just a bigger exclamation point behind those. We need water. You know, not only this area, but all of Texas needs water. The way we do that is we ask each and every water purveyor Corpus Christi being the major purveyor down here to come up with a strategy, OK, come up with a project which we call a strategy for planning purposes on how they're going to meet that future growth. OK, and there's brackish water, there's fresh water, which is groundwater. There's also reservoirs. You know, we've about outgrown every reservoir site in the state of Texas. There's one or two left that are decent sites. The problems with those is They depend on water. They depend on rain. They're affected by drought. And the other thing is they're affected by evaporation. During the hot summer months here, it just sucks the water out of the top of the reservoir. There are aquifer storage recovery projects. What we were looking to do is put together a drought-resistant project and a water supply that would not be affected by drought. So the Nueces River Authority Board of Directors authorized me to submit, you'll remember we've talked about this before, to submit an unsolicited proposal to the Port of Corpus Christi for the Harbor Island site. It's 30 acres. We have a 50 year agreement with them with an extension that is 30 years. So we have a total of 80 years that we can lease that property to build and operate a seawater desalination treatment plant. It includes water pipeline easements, and I'll show you those in just a minute, and all the improvements made on the property will be owned by NRA or our partner, which we chose to go with a public-private agreement to build the plant. So the plant is going to be built with public dollars. Conveyance line and pumping systems will be built with public dollars. And we did that to try to keep some of the load off the Texas Water Development Board so there'd be enough money to go around. There's lots of big projects being looked at, okay? All the rights conveyed through NRA for permits and that will be from the port to NRA through this lease. So we selected a partner, and as we talked about, we've selected IDE. That's Israeli Desal Engineers. They are going to develop the property during the negotiations of the pre-development agreement that we just signed last week. They are going to develop the property as Harbor Island Desal Partners, right? So you'll hear both names, but they're the same company. Our attorney that's representing us in the P3 portion of this said, hey, it'd be better if we were dealing with a company that was formed here in the United States. So that's what they did. We have that partnership selected. The other thing that I will tell you before we turn it over to Mark is that we were just awarded a grant for $7 million from the Texas Water Development Board from the State Water Infrastructure Fund. It was 100% grant. We are eligible for another $28 million for this project, which we're certainly hoping to get. And the... $7 million portion of the grant closes here in just a couple weeks. With that money, we're going to do some more work engineering-wise to get phase one of the project built. We'll talk about that here in just a second, too. Okay, so the product water line is now designed to go in this easement that the port owns up into Aransas Pass. And from Aransas Pass, we don't know yet where the optimum route is. HDR is the engineer that will be looking at that optimum routing with some of this money from the $7 million grant. They'll get back with us in about four months of where they feel like that can go. The other item we've got is there is a tunnel to come across Redfish Bay, to come under Redfish Bay. We need to find out the optimum depth we need to go for that tunnel. Right now it's estimated at 80 feet to get up and under there. I don't think we need to go that deep. I think there's good soils up above that that will hold the tunnel machine as it tunnels across there. Every foot you go down is an added cost. So that's why we're looking so hard and paying some money to Lockwood, Andrews, and Noonan, L-A-N, to do that study for us. And that will be done with some of the $7 million too. One of the things that differentiates us from other projects in the area and not only here but in Texas is we're going into deep water. We were asked by people in the Port Aransas area to do that. So we're looking at a minus 47 foot to the top of the pipe. As we head out across and to our diversion point and you'll see how that's going to take place. We'll go down across and then back up into 37 foot of water out where the water levels in the Gulf of America get a little deeper. The pipeline itself, that portion of it, all of the plant, all of the tunneling, all of the diversion as far as the water diversion, we take seawater in, we take the brine back out. That will be done and financed by IDE or the Harbor Island Desal partners. We will be doing the... line, the conveyance line, the 84 inch proposed conveyance line coming under Redfish Bay going into Ranz's Pass and up into the basin. Now, one of the other things that we have gotten is almost every permit, there's only one permit left, and that's where the green dots are over to the side there, the green errors, and it's the offshore discharge permit. We have gone through all of the hearing process for that. We have been listed on the next commissioner's meeting, the Texas Commission on Environmental Qualities Commissioner's will hear that and act on that on the 23rd of this month. We do not anticipate there being a need for a contested case hearing on this because of the lack of request for such at the public hearing. The easement amendment offshore has been submitted, so really the only thing left is our discharge permit, and we intend to have that by the end of the month. There's the people that have signed on. And you'll notice the heavy green there. The heavy green shaded area is what we're calling phase one of the project. And that gets water to this area and water to the city of Portland, which is requested water, too. So that's 55 million gallons. That will be phase one. That's what we're looking at now. That's what we're using the $7 million for. And if we're fortunate enough to get the 28 following, then we will use the remaining portion of that to design that and start building upon the engineering that we need to get that pipeline under Redfish Bay and up to a point where you guys would intercept it should you choose to do so. We will be far enough along for a water pricing agreement probably later this year. We're hoping by December, January of this year, we'll be far enough along that we can come and say, hey, this is a price not to exceed and sit down with your officials and start negotiating that out. some of the questions have been asking me well what affects that you know what's going to affect the cost of water well there's a lot of things that go into figuring the cost of water number one is the cost of service Peter has talked with me about you know putting a rate together that we would charge less to those people that we had to pay less to get the water to. So there's going to be less pipeline and less energy getting you guys water than it would be someone in Kyle, Texas, obviously. So that rate should reflect that. So we'll look at that. Also, where the water will be turned and passed over to you folks, where you want to take the water. There's some big costs that would be considered there. I just heard that majority of the water comes from here over into San Pat County. Should you want to work a deal with San Pat County, we're willing to work with you on that. We don't want to be anybody's main source of water. What we want to do is sell wholesale water to folks like you that know how to fix pipes, know how to keep them, and are familiar with the billing process. All we want to do is set a meter and have you guys take it, and we'll charge you for the water that's metered off of that. So our partner selection, as I said, we inked the pre-development agreement just the other day, and it's in two phases. But I'm going to let Mark come up and tell you some about the IDE, how long they've been in business, and what they do, and basically why we selected them. Mark? Yes, yes, it's the next slide.
Let me, before I turn over to the audio-visuals, Madam Mayor Pro Tem, Council Members, I'm honored to be here and looking forward to being part of the community. IDE, as John said, is a 60-year-old company. IDE stands for Israel Desalination Engineers. As all of us probably learned in Sunday school and going to Mass and whatever else, certainly blessed as a promised land, but just a little short of water. And so expertise was developed in Israel in partnership with partners here in the United States in the early 1960s. They saw the need. They, as a nation, were in the same situation you found here. They relied on one weaver. And so IDE began to develop technology, certainly in the thermal desal side and then into reverse osmosis. And to today, we have built about 400 desal plants around the world in about 40 countries. All the way from very small to our latest plant is 180 million gallons a day. And so we have begun the process of design on the plant. Much of that is already done. We've moved along. Based on our experience and know-how, we've been able to look at what we've done other places, see what fits the site here. We're excited about the site. We're coordinating with the Port Authority on all the logistics of getting to the site and that type of thing. And also, as John said, we'll be delivering water. Our customer will be Nueces River Authority. We will deliver water to the distribution partners, and it'll go from there. Here, as I said, the amount of water that we treat around the world is large and getting larger. We have two plants. under construction in Chile today, for instance. Let's see. I don't think it comes up. That's all right. Well, that's okay. We'll go on through the video.
I'm sorry.
Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, this is certainly what we're looking at. As I mentioned, where we are today, we're taking the design that we've got of the plant. We're looking at conditions here and tweaking that design so that it will fit to the needs of the community. We are already meeting with potential vendors and partners here in the area. We're going to attempt to work with people who know the area, who have expertise in this type of construction and work. So we are doing that as we speak. I do some more of it tomorrow. We're working with AEP on the power aspect and we're in line for that. We'll coordinate once again uh through nra with the communities on where that power needs to go how to get it to the island we've met with community environmental leaders at puerto ransas we're on the same page as how we want to plant to look it's going to be right there by where people get in line to go across the ferry. And we're going to involve them in the process. I think a key thing, too, that John mentioned, and there's been a debate for a decade. We've been here for a decade getting ready to get this started. We've decided to go offshore for the intake and the outfall. And people say, well, couldn't you just take it out of the bay? Well, you could. But that's not the right decision for us. This is something that we want to make sure that the water is of highest quality, but also to protect the environment. And based on our experience around the world, we've seen that nothing's better than old Mother Nature and the ocean moving that water around. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to go to the best and brightest, the people that we know, to be able to do that. to be able to get that water in, get to 100 million gallons a day, which will be a part of the mix for this community, the area, and certainly the basin. Another key thing, too, to remember is that we have done in other places, certainly around the world, and in the plant in Carlsbad, California, our water will be blended with other waters surface water ground water. Our price will also be blended with the other waters to see water desal is going to be there the Gulf is there we're going to be able to get the most efficiencies based on our technology and working quickly. and working as part of the team. And so we're moving very actively to get going. We see the urgency that's needed in the region. So we're excited about being part of it and to be able to work hopefully with the city and your customers in the region and the folks further up the basin. Okay.
Any questions, we'd be glad to Try to address any questions you might have.
Yeah. Mayor Pro Tem Paxton, if you could just give me a point of personal privilege. I did want to recognize, again, Eric Burnett, the board chair from the Nueces River Authority. Every meeting I go to, he's gracious enough to recognize me. And Mr. Burnett, we appreciate you being here all day with us. Thank you. He's the chairman of the board appointed by the governor. So I've been attending their board meetings pretty routinely. the same goes for john byram too i want to thank him for being here today he's always gracious when i'm at their board meeting so thank you my apologies on the video i understand as soon as it came up nick came over and says video it didn't come through well that's on me so i'm sorry get it from you and then we'll email it to the council i'm sure it was a good one yes sir thank you thank you for pointing that out mr zanoni and thank you for being here this evening everyone who was part of this for this presentation we'll start questions with councilwoman vaughn
Well, we've been waiting for another update, so thank you for coming. You also have another gentleman in the audience, too, that wasn't introduced.
Oh, that's right. That's John Chisholm. He's Deputy Executive Director of the Nueces River Authority, and he's been on board now for seven, eight months? About a year now. Almost a year. Wow. Just wanted to recognize you.
You're having fun. When do you anticipate getting this started?
We anticipate we're basically started now with the added engineering. We've done a little bit of engineering before, but with doing these studies, we're kicking off the all the prerequisite engineering that needs to be done, the geotechnical studies and those kind of things. So as soon as we are awarded additional monies, which we will feel like will be before the end of the year, before we're through the $7 million, we should be awarded additional monies, then we certainly kick off the detailed design at that portion of time.
John, let me also add in from IDE's perspective, we've started already.
Okay.
on our nickel. We are looking at, as I mentioned, vendors who can fabricate for us here in these conditions to be able to do that. And so all of those are the types of things we've already started to tweak the design. And then, as we mentioned, we'll be working on site aspects of fitting our design on that site and coordinating that with the port and the others.
Okay. How big is the desal plant going to be?
It will start out at $55 million. That's just so we can get it online quicker. But we are planning on having a footprint for the entire $100 million and just immediately going into the $100 million or the other $45 once the $55 is online.
Okay. And I know y'all know how important this is for our city because we have to get a desal project, no doubt. So let me ask this. I'm kind of putting you on the spot, but I'm going to ask it anyway because that's just what I do. Did you bid on the Inner Harbor?
No, we chose not to do that. We, as I mentioned, ID has been looking at Corpus Christi and had a presence here for 10 years looking at it. But as that site was chosen to look at, It's not a site we feel comfortable working on.
Can you tell me why?
It's an inner harbor.
An inner harbor. Have you ever done one in inner harbor?
No. We go to the open ocean because that's where you got the best chance of getting water diluted. The flow to move. The water to move. So we chose not to participate in that. The structure was a little different than what we're accustomed to. And so that's why we made that decision.
And I appreciate your honesty. How many plants have y'all built? How many plants have you built?
About 400 of them.
About 400.
Around the world.
How many do you have in Israel?
Let's see, we're at five. We have a plant. I'll tell you that we're calling the sister plant to this plant, roughly the same size, proximity to the beach. It's north of Haifa. It will supply that section of Israel. The part of that water we're going to ship over the mountain to replenish the Sea of Galilee. Wow. And so that's where in one of the key things too that we're excited to be part of is the regional approach here. And there is a water grid in Israel. We deliver water to an entity called Mekaro, which is government connected there. And then they distribute that north and south throughout the country. And they also tie in the reuse infrastructure there. There's a large purple pipe system. 80% of the water that we desal in Israel gets reused, primarily with agriculture and others. what the NRA folks are putting together and will be working in concert with the city is effectively building a bit of a grid here because our water will be able to be blended with the others based on the needs of the communities on how we can get it to them.
Okay. And what do you expect the operation and maintenance of that plant to be?
Well, that's going to depend on the design. And so we we operate the plants and that we do. And so it's in our interest. We we give a guarantee with it. And so it's in our interest to make sure it works because we don't get paid if we don't deliver water okay and so uh that's as john said we want to move very quickly to be able to get to what that price is whether it's the capital costs and the operational costs and we'll coordinate with the plant managers of our customers based on what they need what their customer base needs we're accustomed to doing that so that We know what the quality of our water looks like all the time. Before it comes in, what gets shipped to customers and the brine stream that goes out, we monitor at every level.
Okay, and are y'all trying to get federal funding?
We are working with NRA on that, and so I think John's got some targets for that.
We're going up the week after next again. Yes. We've about worn the halls out up there, but we're going to continue to do that until such time as we get that. There's also sources of really, really low interest money. It's three eights over fed and, uh, in some of the departments there, and we're going to visit with them as long as the public private partnership, you can get that money. So we're going to do that.
And you know, this is going to be a regional. effort so you would think that federal and state would help with that and some of it not even to be paid back because it's going to help our whole whole region so i'm hoping you're talking about that and i hope you'll do everything that you can to try and get to see mr president trump
We will certainly. I'd kind of like to be in the room with him just for a few minutes. He'd probably kick me out. But I'd like to be there because I'd probably be drooling because I really respect what he does. But, yes, we have done the best we can to get in and around his people. And we'll continue to do that. We will. One thing I left out a while ago that was very important, Mark is in. his team has built a plant that was 110 million gallons and they did that in two years and eight months from the time it was funded to the time they were pumping water two years and eight months that's impressive we've got to get after the pipeline if we're going to keep up with them absolutely thank you so much it was a good presentation we appreciate it councilman hernandez
Okay, John, thanks for coming. You know, one of the big issues that we have is ultimately cost and what the ratepayer has to pay, and obviously seawater desal is the most expensive one to do. Can you give me some idea of what kind of cost-cutting measures that you can do to help reduce the cost of seawater desal? And let me tie that in. You know, being a former naval officer, every ship that I was on had a desal plant. Now, we used a waste heat. You put the seawater in the vacuum and flash it to steam, that kind of thing, but a different concept. But we still, but we would always shut down our desalination plant three miles out from shore simply because the ship didn't have the ability to do any kind of pretreatment. So I want to kind of understand the, you know, being as far out as you are on your intake, how that affects your pretreatment and what the reducing cost is.
If I can start on that, then you can finish. And I may get in trouble here. Mark may just hit me over the head. If he does, that's all right. But they have a proprietary system that they invented that is helps them retain pressure. So, you know, you have a first pass and a second pass in these large plants through the oral membranes. Well, they are able to retain that pressure so that they just have to repressurize just a little bit to get through that second pass. And for those of you and you know, seawater desal, energy is the big cost. That is one of the biggest costs of a seawater desal plant. and they don't have to burn as much energy on their plant as they do as others do because of this preparatory system they've got secondly they operate in a way where they get the maximum length of runs out of the membranes each membrane an average membrane runs about five to seven years They have plants where they're getting way over that. And that was another thing we looked at from our perspective was their proprietary energy savings and their membrane runs.
That is correct, John. This energy recovery system is one of the new technologies that have been developed in the desal industry. And we and others now are able to take that to where you recover the energy that actually comes out of the brine stream. In the past, people said, well, 40% of your cost is going to be power. We think it's now under 30 on that because of the way that we monitor and run the plants. The other thing that's going to be key is how we cycle the plant. And this is where We'll have to work with our customers on storage. It's late in the afternoon. It's hot outside. Electricity is more expensive this time of day. We cycle those plants so that at 5 in the afternoon in August, it's probably not going to be running at 100%. At 3 o'clock in the morning is when you crank it, and you're able to manage that electric use but we coordinate with the customer, make your tanks full to be able to look and do that. And so all of that, and we're always looking for the new technologies. And what John said was very important on the membrane management. We don't make membranes. We buy them from the best that we can find, but we manage them very closely. And that's one of the things we've already started discussions with some of the faculty at the university here and up the road at Kingsville where there's some expertise in membrane technology. And so we're incented to always be looking for those things we can tweak for every little piece of the margin.
Just to piggyback that on the pretreatment, you were talking, I'd ask a question on the pretreatment.
In pretreatment, of course, that depends. And it's another reason going offshore is nice because you've got more consistent water there. You know what's coming in. And so we're able to manage those. as they go through and that it's very important with pre-treatment that we monitor at all times what's coming into the plant because we're able to to manage it right there with some of our new technologies that really help so and so that's going to be part of it that you'll see as we get the design put together
Okay, one last question. The size of the area of Harbor Island is about 30 acres. Is that enough to address the 100 million gallons a day that you're needing considering tanks, storage, pumps, you know, all that? I mean, is it enough space?
We believe it is. The plant in Carlsbad, California, now it's only about 53 million gallons a day. and it was built right there on the beach. It was next to a power plant that used to be there. We built it on six acres. Six acres? Six acres. It was tight, but the plants in Israel that are 150 plus, we've been able to put on about 30 acres. The storage component of this will get with a transmission team on where you want to put tanks after we put it in we're going to deliver it to the fence to the distribution team and then they will be figuring out where you want to put that storage the customers will want to do it certainly the city working with sampat water and others they'll help determine where that is john maybe you can explain the distribution of that product
Sure. You know, what we would want to do is put that on cheaper ground. You know, nothing against the port, but they've got premium land there they're leasing to us, and it's at a high rate. So I would like to see water storage come off the island and maybe on the mainland where we could buy... the land at a cheaper price. We're going to be investigating that during this phase of the study, during this $7 million we're spending now. We'll be investigating where to put those storage facilities.
I'm assuming it's ground storage tanks?
Yes, it'll be ground.
Can you give us an estimate of what sizes you're talking about?
I think you have to have, I think it's 5%, 3% to 5% of the average daily flow you've got to store. So we'll have to store that somewhere. So if it's 55 million gallons, somebody's going to have to help me. 5% of that would be what? 2.5 million plus the five. So you're looking at about almost 3 million gallons. Not a whole lot of storage, but you do have to have that amount of storage. That's a lot of storage. Well, you guys have more than that. I mean, Corpus has more than that, but you're pumping a lot more water than that. And, of course, you've got some overhead, too. But, yeah, it's not cheap. You're right. It's a lot of money.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you. You bet.
Councilman Roy.
Can I just add to that, the new Clairewell that we just built at Owen Stevens is 10 million gallons. It's a 10 million gallon storage tank.
Oh, wow.
At Owen Stevens, yeah, just to put it in context. So what did you say, we said 2.5?
Yeah, probably 2.5 to 3, yeah. Right, yeah. On the first phase.
Yeah. Great, thank you. Thank you for the presentation. On page 15, you've got a, a list of the water reservation fees received from and it has a list of the different organizations or municipalities. And so I see that your service population is about 1.3 million people. Yes, sir. And so what I was just trying to more out of curiosity is that, for example, we reserved a certain amount to service our population So each of these, I can't really tell. I was just kind of curious what the overall demand based on these reservation fees received is right now. Because you mentioned that you said you're going to start at 55?
55, yes, sir. And that represents the full 100 million gallons per day right there. Okay. Yes, sir. Some of them reserved more water for future, you know, I mean, they, because they're growing so fast, you know, the city of Castroville, I just happened to live just outside of Castroville and man, it's growing like crazy. Yeah. And so some of them reserved more than what you would think just by looking at their population. And I should have put that out there and I didn't want to crowd the slide, but yeah.
So at this point is, um, Is the reservations closed, right?
Well, they're closed for this phase. You bet. I mean, there's no way we can do any more with the permitting that we've got and that kind of stuff. And the $100 million is going to keep us busy, and it'll get us out of, I think, out of trouble, not only in the lower basin here, but it'll get us out of trouble up in the eastern Bexar County and out where they're growing so fast. They've got some real concerns up there, too. So I think by 2032, we'd have that all built out and at that point in time and everybody will have ample water for that particular stage of the game with some other projects they're building up there.
Okay. The other thing I just had out of curiosity is that you said that you're going to use a 3 million. You're building a tank that's going to hold at least about 5 million.
Um, it may be five me. I, I'm guessing out of the top of this old 69 year old head here. And that, uh, I don't know exactly what that is, but I think it's 3%.
When you store water, is there a, um, Does it constantly move? In other words, it's not just sitting there being stored for like... We hope not.
Yeah. You want it moving. And because the pipeline will be sized so big, we will have to take measures to keep water age to a minimum. In other words, we'll have to re-chlorinate that water or recondition that water at certain points to make sure we're not sending stale water out. Yeah.
Okay. That was the only questions I had. Thank you. Mm-hmm.
Councilman Scott.
Hey, thanks. Thanks, John. And I have not met you guys before. Oh, sorry. So I asked about you all a year ago because it was like, hey, maybe it was two years ago. And I understand that the city has letters from you all expressing interest in participating in Inner Harbor and that you had asked us to delay the RFQ process and that the city ultimately said no.
Well, it didn't fit our model of the type of transaction that we work on. We're in kind of the P3 business. And then as we looked at that site, trust me, over the last decade I've looked at every possible site in the region. And so just the inner harbor aspect of it in a port that's growing even more,
Well, I just want to make sure the public knew that it's my understanding, unless you correct me, there's letters that you all asked us to delay the RFQ process so that you could participate. and that the city ultimately did not extend the period. So there was an interest, and then maybe you decided at the end.
We were always ready to work as needed, and of course the city was looking at different sites.
I get it if you're strictly a seawater guy, but I want to make sure the public knew that you did ask to participate. And in fact, asked the city to delay or extend the RFQ process. So I'm cool with that. I'm gonna bounce around, but I'll be quick. Hey, so I gotta tell you, John, I was in Castroville two Fridays ago looking at- Surprise, surprise. Oh my word. And what got me is that all around those data centers, are huge new home developments. We stopped just to look at a data center, touch and feel it, listen to it, talk to the development group, just try to get educated. It was stunning what's going on.
It's a solid rooftop from San Antonio out now. It's unbelievable. And it wasn't like that six years ago. Right, right.
I've cycled out there before, and it was nowhere. It was a beautiful ride to get out there because there was nothing around. Hey, so when do you expect to have...
an estimate on the cost of the transmission, the cost per thousand gallons to move the water to... As soon as we find out how deep we have to go under Redfish Bay, then we can come up with that price for phase one. And HDR finalizes the route. We can come up with that cost, estimated cost of phase one. And we want that by, they're saying four months. Okay. So 120 days. Okay.
and then uh so that's and that's from the fence line to some point in san patricio county some point that we're working with nick and and peter on okay yes sir so in four months we hope to have like hey we think it's going to cost a dollar per thousand gallons to move the water some number i know it's more i'm being nice because i know i have a number in my head and i i don't know i'm not that smart to pitch it so but then for ide guys when do you all have a sense of when you can i don't know if i mean the guys after you all later night are going to call it the guarantee maximum price and you calculate that into the cost per thousand gallons when do you all have a sense of when you will be able to articulate uh the cost per thousand gallons well that that's part in this phase one that we're in now is why we're already
Doing some fine-tuning on the design to be able to get to that on all the aspects that will establish that cost the capital side and the operating side so Probably in the winter give or take we'll start to have a good idea of on that so i think we're three through the end just i'm laughing because you don't have winners in corpus so you gotta help me here i've heard about it is this a january yeah we're kind of the same time frame we hope to okay yeah in the phase one yeah okay got it got it and tell me where is the the project that y'all built in two years where did you do that at it's one of the plants in israel okay
And so, um, um, I guess, yeah, I'm just thinking it helps to be called the Israel. Yeah. Salination. Yeah.
I might get, and, uh, uh, you know, and it's, uh, construction's gonna be, be key in, in doing that. And we're, we're hopeful that.
With help from the state that we they can help us expedite what we need to do to get finished doing the permits Yeah, I think they are but so so for for you John that the state's stepped in to help you with the Engineering to try to get a price on your transmission line. Is that an accurate?
That's exactly right Okay, that's cool.
But then and then for you ide you guys are on your own working through to to
to some time in the same time frame you'll have a better sense of yeah hey we think we can sell water to the fence and then we will have determined by then the size of the pipe uh on that and and another thing to keep in mind too is we're the targeting it it'll be 100 million gallon day plant we'll start at 55. um if you have continued growth and new customers show up whatever In about an 18-month period, we can add that capacity.
So do you build the transmission line for 100 MGD initially, or is it two lines that you're going to build?
You know, that transmission line will be able to take more than that 100 MGD. And the reason why we want to do that, we just want to build a big one out there for several reasons. Number one, friction is less when you get the bigger line. You don't have to scoot it through there as far, and you don't burn as much energy. And secondly, they tend to last longer. So all those kind of things.
I guess the point being that you're going to build, I'm going to make this up, 150 million gallon a day transmission line and the city may want 50. But would the city be paying the cost of 150 MCD until you get the second hundred?
We're hoping, we're hoping, and this is wood I'm knocking on, that we can get some participation grants and get some money granted to us, you know, to help with those oversizing costs.
Okay. So if not, then the cost is divided, the cost of 150 million. Between you and those other people that we saw yesterday. Right. Hey, the guys after you, I think, somehow I thought they used energy recovery concepts, but you talk about some new, or one of you mentioned new technologies. Would that be something that you could share with us through Nick?
Yeah, ours, there's some companies that develop the energy recovery units, and now it's become the norm in the industry. Each company has a little bit of their own tweak on how to do that. And that's what we've got based on the number of plants we've done. But the good thing is, as industry as a whole,
this new energy recovery devices and practices have been a big help i would assume so so but you mentioned new technologies and that's one of maybe one of you did and i there's a lot of people interested in what you're doing and so can you share our if it's proprietary don't of course yeah but if if there's all this new technology that you guys are using there's a lot of people a lot of engineers and corpus that are interested uh you can bet we'll be here and we'll be happy to go through in detail well i'd like you to share some of those sure with nick and he can share it on sure thanks guys we're ready to do that father says i'm done thank you yep councilwoman compost thank you mayor pro tem okay um ide again what does that stand for
Israel desalination engineers.
I see. OK, just didn't quite get that. But I do have a question, John, on page seven on the projected shortages without new supply. How close have have you been? I mean, you've been doing this for, you said, 50 years on the projections.
Forty six.
46, okay, 46, correction.
That's close enough. It rounds up.
All right. So can you show us a history as, you know, how close you have gotten to these projections? Because they seem awfully high to me.
You know, it depends on who you talk to. Last year sitting in the Senate building with Senator Perry, he was talking about how low they were. He felt like the 2070 number should be like 2040.
Right, but I think they're counting like maybe data centers, ammonia plants. I don't know, you know, what is it that they're. counting on for this much water to be well, you can't put I know you said that Plants and that kind of stuff. Well, no, I I know you said that it's not for projected projects, but again, I just wanted to see what is your history like, you know, oh did you were you pretty accurate in your projection of
much water here's the problem with the state water plan i think they're very accurate with their planning of this where we fail is in the implementation portion of it and people say well why are they not wanting to implement i don't know if you see but i got a lot of holes in me over the last year and a half from proposing something like this And it's hard to get a pipeline built. It's hard to get a plant built. It's certainly hard to get a seawater desal built. As you folks know better than I do, it's very difficult. That's where we fall short is on the implementation side.
Well, it fails whenever you don't have the people support. I mean, that's to begin with.
The planning numbers seem to be really close, really, really right there. It's the implementation that we fail on. And so it kind of skews the number a little bit, you know, because if you...
Okay, so you can't, then you can't give us...
Yeah, if you plan for it and you don't build a project beneath the demand.
So then how can we believe you, John?
I'm sorry?
How can we believe you then if you can't show a track record?
Well, you have to believe this because this is all you've got. This is the state of Texas, and some of the best minds around, there's a Ph.D. that puts all these numbers. He's really good. And we know that those numbers are good. What we also know is that we've got to start implementing some of these projects that we're putting together as water management strategies or they all go away.
Well, and I'm just looking at our population growth, how it has remained pretty flat.
Yeah.
But then again, you just mentioned, well, Councilman Scott mentioned about going to Castroville and noticing, you know, all the expansion and so forth. But it seems that it was due because of data centers is what or something like that.
Well, anyway, all rooftops, too. I mean, it's housing additions up there just crazy over the last six years. Those six years, I know because I built my place six years ago.
Okay. Well, anyway, that was just what I had so far. Thank you, John.
Councilman Barrera.
Good to see you, John. Good to see you. How's your barbecuing coming along? Good. Hey, so I guess a couple of things. You know, one thing that concerns me is proprietary technology because I've been, you know, a target as far as that. And proprietary technology means is it going to be subject to open records? I mean, we took a big hit because Kiewit came and said that their model for the far field was proprietary and that it couldn't be disclosed. And then that's where we get into the term experimental when it's new technology. Can you, in any other public sector environment such as this, can you tell me how you've been able to combat that?
We are going we go through our technology development in house to get it right. But we know that we're going to be going out into the marketplace and working with public entities. So it's not like some other industries where it's so closely held. What we want to be able to do is take technology put it in practice with ours. And that makes a lot of sense. I agree with that.
But where have we done that with the public elsewhere where it's subject to open records?
Well, we're comfortable with that. With the other public sites, we're just finishing a plant for the city in Fort Lauderdale in Florida. So that is something that we've not had a problem or concern with.
And the one in Fort Lauderdale, so it's just the one?
Well, and that is a kind of a hybrid plant. It's not a pure seawater desal plant. It's in a coastal area about the size of what we're talking about. John has been to see that. So in all of these, we...
I'm sorry, is it a water treatment plant? It's a water treatment plant. Okay, okay, so it's a different scenario. Okay, okay, and that's all right. That's all right. What is it... And... I guess here's the other thing. In the very few instances in this one, I happen to agree with Councilmember Campos, and this may be for you, John, and for both of you, is that my argument has always been there's not a demand for 100 MGD. Now, at least here. Now, I agree that there's a problem in Central Texas. There's obviously a problem in North Texas in the Fort Worth area, you know. And like around the bear County and the areas that you've talked about, uh, I know a couple of the council members from Kyle, you know, and I think the city of Portland is just doesn't have confidence in the city of Corpus Christi to be able to solve the problem. So that being said, example is we, I would argue in fact, a candidate for council even posted recently that there was no demand. There wasn't an excessive demand. So even though we've reserved the 50 MGD, what happens if we say, you know what, we're only going to take five?
You need to take five, but I'm telling you, I would disagree with your assessment there because we could have sold 150 million gallons. I understand.
And we're still getting calls from people. We were in a difficult spot, and we reserved 50. But I'm just saying, so do we have to have a take-or-pay contract for 50 in order to make that work? No, whatever you...
You've reserved up to 50, okay? We come back with you with a maximum price not to exceed, and if that's for $5 million, that's for $5 million.
If it's for $55 million, then we've got a problem. But if it's for $50, we're okay. But do I still have the 45 reserved?
Well, I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't think so because we could probably turn around and let that 45 go and then we'd have to sit down and negotiate that out.
Yeah, see, that's the thing that I'm worried about is that all of a sudden now we're, if we don't fulfill our side, You know, because here's here's one of the things I've said and a lot of times on the radio, as you may ask people here, I tend to get facetious when my colleagues aren't around me and I'm just in front of a microphone, you know. So I said that, you know, Exxon or Gulf Coast Growth Ventures uses, you know, 12 million gallons a day. And I don't see another seven on the horizon or another eight on the horizon. You know now. Even then, at one time, data centers were three MGD, and now they're moving to the closed loop system. That's what I'm saying. The demand is not necessarily here. It's further north. It's further north. And so I just kind of wonder what kind of burden I don't think that's right.
Well, I think you got demand here too.
Well, once again, not for a hundred MGD.
I mean, not for a hundred. No, but you don't buy a hundred or not for 50. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's not for, well, that's for the engineers of the group to figure out and, and, uh, Well, I'm very confident in their assessment.
I'm on the Economic Development Committee for Texas Association of Business. So I like to think that they share some stuff with me. Let's just put it that way. And so I'm not as optimistic. The demand is for the public, and it's because where the population centers are growing. You know, so and that's the thing that I'm worried about. If we get to a point here where our demand isn't isn't what what is it isn't what it needs to be. Yeah. But we project then where does that put us at a point where, you know, the one thing is part of the reason that the Inner Harbor. was so attractive is because, number one, it was by a demand center. Number two, it was right by a distribution center. Number three, the electricity could easily be upgraded because the infrastructure was already there. And so we had originally looked at 10, then went to 20, then 35, and came back to 30. So we've been taking that in baby steps. And I'm just worried, what are we... What are we going to commit ourselves to to be able to get to if we don't use the 50?
We will negotiate with you what you want to take at the time that we come up with our maximum price. Yeah. I mean, you can negotiate at that point in time. What happens with that remaining? I don't know. We'll have to talk about that. And probably somebody else you're negotiating with. Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate you.
Councilwoman Vaughn. Real quick. Well, I wasn't going to comment, but I've got to. I'm not sure why he's so worried about having too much because he supports the Inner Harbor 30 MGDs. This is just 20 more, so not sure where that's coming from. I have a quick question on the pipe because I know that the further out you go, the more pipe you're going to need, the larger pipe you're going to need, right? Because you've got to push it through, I'm assuming. So how big a pipe, and the reason I ask is that that's going to be expensive. Are y'all thinking it's going to be?
Plan the current plan shows an 84. we were going to neck it down to 50. To bring phase 1, and then we got to looking at the easement. It's just too small. You can't get enough tunnel machine through there to put an 84 in a 50 year. So it's come off with an 84 and take that 84 all the way to around Pleasanton, Texas, and then bifurcate. with a 48 to go up through Atascosa and Medina counties and go down to a 72 and let it go up into Bexar County as a 72. From there on, we'd have to look to see where, you know, whether the 72 could be justified going further up that corridor, that 35 corridor or not.
Okay. Just curious, because I know it'll cost more the bigger it is.
Absolutely. Yeah. Somebody's going to be paying for it.
Thank you.
Councilman Cantu.
Thank you. Hey, John, how many customers do you have right now? I think there's 21. 21? I think that's right, yes. Are they all in the same area?
No, no, they're spread out. They're spread out. There's several in Eastern Bear County. There's a couple over in Medina County. There's about three in Atascosa County and one up in Hays.
So you guys are going to be delivering pretty much everywhere in Texas? Yes, sir. That's good. Yes, sir. The first phase is 55 million gallons a day. OK. And then funding, because everybody says this project is not going to get any funding do you believe you'll get funding absolutely 100 where are you getting funding you know and and uh we'll make that trip to dc and i i believe they're going to come through we we've applied even if you come through you guys would get funding from somewhere else i'm sorry even if dc doesn't come through you would get funding from somebody else yes sir yes sir and we can get this because it's a public private agreement especially because the port of corpus christi name is on the ground that's right that's right and uh it's that need that the this hungry this energy hungry nation has yeah you know that we satisfy from here are you guys satisfied i know it's a lot of water right and and my colleague paella said you know we don't have the demand but we want more industry here we want more businesses here so i'm sure the demand will grow um I THINK PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE IS GREAT BECAUSE THE PAST NEVER DID. THAT'S WHY WE WERE IN THIS PICKLE THAT WE WERE IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS BECAUSE NOBODY CARED ABOUT THE FUTURE. EVERYBODY CARED ABOUT NOW. SO YOU DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WATER FROM EVERYWHERE.
I think as soon as those shovels, those backhoes start digging into the ground, I think they're going to run over us with requests for additional waters.
Don't take our customers. We're going to have some problems. We don't want your customers. They don't sign contracts. You might not want them. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Councilman Scott.
Hey, Sylvia, I was just going to mention that I serve on the region in regional water planning group. Thank you. And the NRA is who we contract to to help us through all that. And you're right. So what happens is every five years we go out and we talk to everybody like we'll go to EDC. But but, you know, so you go to the EDC, what, five years ago, and there was all this federal money for hydrogen projects and ammonia projects. And so they're going. go to the port and we go to and they go oh my goodness you you need x you need a lot of water because they're all coming and then the administration changes and all those incentives go away and then you're stuck with this oh my goodness we thought we needed 10 and man i think the real number is four and then the further you get out the the more risky there is and so uh and and really the region our job is to provide We say, here's what we think the demand is based on everybody we talk to, and here's the supply, and here's the gap. And then it's up to entities, regional entities, to fill that gap. And then everybody's gotta kinda do their own math, right? Oh, I don't think the gap's really 10, I think it's really five. So my point is, you're asking questions about these, and I would submit to you that they can be wildly wrong. the further you get out. And then, of course, if you don't fill the gap, even if you're right, you're still in a pickle. Yeah, that's why I look, I appreciate it. It sounds to me like we're going to have a conversation in four months ish, three to four to five months. Uh, cause you've got funds to, to get HDR to do the transmission line. It gets us a cost and ID is going to keep doing their work. And I think, I think it, it'll be an interesting conversation in five months. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
Councilman Hernandez.
John, I think we kind of had the conversation before.
I smell barbecue. No, I'm just kidding.
We had that conversation before about what we reserved and what we ultimately contract, and it's going to be kind of based on what our water needs over time is going to be. But ultimately, I see your project as being a strategy of diversifying our water supply, right? It's, you know, you're not the entire answer. It's, you know, it's DESALINATION OF SEA WATER DESALINATION, IT'S GROUNDWATER, YOU KNOW, EVANGELINE, IT'S WASTE WATER REUSE, IT'S BRACKISH WATER DESAL. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. SO IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO TAKE ULTIMATELY, AND I'M ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SIGN THAT MOU. OKAY. WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. But like I said, it may not be the 50, could be 25, but it's still an important part of diversifying our water supply. And so that's the key thing and strategy is to diversify our water supply so we're not just reliant on two sources. And I say two because it's the Noyes River and the Mary Roads Pipeline. If one of those goes down, we lose half our water. And so I wanna make sure that we don't find ourselves in that position. THAT IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN TO THE MIRA ROADS PIPELINE, WE'RE NOT IN A DIRE SITUATION. OR IF OUR LAKES DRY UP, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REPLACE IT WITH THAT'S A MULTIPLE STRATEGY. SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST WANT TO PREPARE THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE WHERE WE NEED ALL OF IT AT ONCE. AGAIN, IT'S A COST ISSUE. You know, we're paying, you know, for treated water coming out of Owen Stevens, about $3 per 1,000 gallons. Okay, any increase in that goes ultimately to the rate payer that has to pay for it. And it's not just us. It's the entire seven-county area, right, that's buying water from us because whether they get the desalinated water or not, they're going to have to pay for it. So I want to just make sure that we understand that. and that it's a part of our water strategy, not all of it.
And not only here in the coastal bend, but up in the other areas, they've got an 89 MGD plant planned, and the cost is another half a billion over and above what our anticipated costs are, just for the 89. So everybody's going to be paying more for water.
Ultimately, you've got to keep costs down.
TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, YES.
WELL, IT'S WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, RIGHT? CAN'T AFFORD, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HERE THAT CAN PROBABLY AFFORD A DOUBLING OF THE UTILITY BILL, BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN, RIGHT? NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD THIS. THERE'S PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOMES, THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE LOWER END OF THE ECONOMIC, SOCIOECONOMIC
That's why what you're doing is really smart because you're diversifying your supply with cheaper waters.
We need to have that lower-cost water, and that's why we chose to go in that direction with wastewater reuse and groundwater. And that's smart.
Thank you.
You bet.
Councilman Barrera.
Thank you. I got cut off there because I'm quite loquacious. So tell me, where's this $6 billion number that I've been hearing coming from? It came from an estimate done by Black & Veatch. As I recall, the last time you made a presentation, that doesn't include conveyance from your fence line. Right. Or from these water towers or that component component like us in the conveyance.
No, that includes conveyance that it's the entire project. About half of that was the plant and about half of that was the so it comes to the conveyance to us and Owen Stevens. Well, I mean, that depends on where you guys want to take it.
Is that conveyance to it? Maybe it's a question for Nick. Is that conveyance to San Patricio Municipal Water District Authority?
Sure. Councilman, I did the question on the six billion. I don't know what was in what's included in that. I think John would have to answer that. But the preliminary routes that we've worked with with L.A. and HDR show a conveyance line coming, you know, in or near Portland. And then we've got to figure out how close we can get that to Owen Stevens. So there is cost that the city is going to have to bear just to make sure we get the water into our distribution system. Okay. Yeah. And we haven't figured that out yet.
Correct. Okay. And then there was something measured, talked about blended price. I don't know where that came from. You had mentioned blended price? Yeah. Blended from? I thought it was just the water from the Gulf.
Well, but in... California at our plant there, our customer is the San Diego County Water Authority. And we provide them about 12% of their total water use. So they blend that 12% with their other waters, and they also blend the price. So, you know, that's what it's based on. and so that's what i mean oh okay okay i just wanted to make sure that i wasn't missing because it's the same concept that we have with our with our diversified system and that's where diversification helps and while you know seawater diesel will be a little bit more it comes also as a bit of an insurance policy the gulf's not going to go dry yeah amen amen i'm with you i'm trying to sell that for for eight years now um
And then one other thing I want to clarify, the reason I didn't vote for the MOU is I just felt that the Port of Corpus Christi concept was overly conceptual. I didn't believe that there was, like I said, the demand, and there was any contract that we, any MOU that we had sent them, they fell short of. So I agree with the concept. I think we all need to be working together. However, I think they're, Their proposal at that time was highly conceptual and not, I didn't think we were at a point where we could support an MOU, at least not the one that was put before us that day. All right, thank you very much. Thank you guys for coming out. Really appreciate all the information.
OK, I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. JUST ONE TURN. THANK YOU. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE AND FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS ENTIRE REGION IS THAT WE SOLVE THIS AND WE SOLVE THE WATER ISSUE WELL. This is not simply an issue of the city of Corpus Christi. This is regional, this is state. When we were, we've just gone through some pretty TERRIBLE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND WE WERE ON NEWS FROM DALLAS TO NEW YORK AND WHEREVER ELSE, AND THEY WERE TOUTED THAT THIS COULD BE THE FIRST CITY TO RUN OUT OF WATER. WE DIDN'T RUN OUT OF WATER. I NOTICED THEY DIDN'T GO BACK AND UPDATE ANY OF THOSE HEADLINES, BUT WE DIDN'T RUN OUT OF WATER. But we were not alone. That's my point.
You're exactly right.
We were not alone This is an issue the entire state has been grappling with that's one of the biggest reasons That I support this project the first reason is because of the security and the vision it brings to Corpus Christi and our seven County region if You want something different from what you've always had you have to do something different than you've always done This is a huge project. I appreciate that the project concept is 100 million gallons a day at this stage, but you're not waiting for that. You're going to harvest faster at 55 million gallons. My understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, that even the 100 million gallons a day is the initial scalability of this project. It can continue to grow.
It is scalable. Yes, ma'am.
It is scalable.
At some future date, sure enough.
Something we hear all the time is the city of Corpus Christi is on the gulf. How did we potentially run out of water? Projects like this prevent that from happening. If we continue to just say I've got one cup and I need to make sure that's full, you're not going to ever have the supply for two. I believe there was at least eight new projects waiting to come to this region that halted because of water. There is a number of projects that are distributed to the state through economic development centers, those kinds of organizations of new projects looking for land, looking for opportunity, but they have specifications. They need power, they need water, they need size. Water has inhibited us. we have to recognize that if we want to be on the other side of this conversation in a growth a positive growth pattern that helps this community we have to be able to facilitate it so we have to be able to go for projects that are big enough to do that and if you'd be so kind as to go back to slide seven which one is uh that's the one with the demands i've got it right here i don't know what the there it is oh thank you That first amount is 2030, 202 million gallons a day. And you said that represents the gap.
That's the gap in Region L and Region N here, yes.
Right. We have the gulf. The rest of the state does not. We have the gulf. We have worked very hard to secure up to 76 million gallons of water because we needed it right now. But that doesn't even meet that supply. And we have to be responsible with that. Those wells, those types of things are not long-term problem solvers. Those are immediate recovery methods. I WOULD ARGUE HARBOR ISLAND, THIS PROJECT, AND THE POTENTIAL AT BARNEY DAVIS, BOTH ARE NECESSARY FOR THE REAL FUTURE. IF WE DON'T START WORKING NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BLINK AND WE'RE GOING TO BE AT 2040. THE NEED CONTINUES TO GROW, AND YOU SAID THAT THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD DOES NOT EVEN ALLOW US TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN THESE NUMBERS. THAT IS CORRECT. EVERY ONE OF THOSE EIGHT ITEMS THAT I DISCUSSED IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN HERE. I appreciate that this has been a hard route and it's frustrating that there's naysayers when positive things are coming around. But what I've discovered is pretty much anything worth doing is gonna have some attacks on it, but you just keep going and that's what you've done. So I appreciate that. You mentioned that you guys are pursuing SUPPORT FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I SUPPORT THAT 100%. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE, LIKE I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN VAUGHN SAID EARLIER, THIS IS A REGIONAL PROJECT. WOULD YOU AGREE IN THAT DEFINITION?
YES, MA'AM, I WOULD.
Would it be helpful for us to offer a letter of a resolution of support if that council were to to be pleasure?
Well, I'd like to say that you guys have already supported us. You know, I asked Peter to help me in Washington, D.C. One time he went up and man, he blew him. He blew him away. Really good. Really good. Ryan, Ryan, your governmental, what an effort he put up. So you are helping us. And I asked Ryan again, I said, hey, Ryan, we may be going back here in a couple of weeks. We're going back for a different reason now. But he was willing to ask Peter, hey, can I go again? So those kind of things are very helpful to us. And what you're saying, I totally believe. Barney Davis is an excellent site. And I believe you need it. And I believe it won't be long before you need it. One of the advantages that you have here in Corpus Christi is it takes 20, 25 years to build a water supply somewhere else. Here you can do it quicker because you've got a big pond to draw from. So be thankful for that. But I totally agree with your comments.
Thank you. Something I hear almost every day is everyone is waiting on the city of Corpus Christi to decide. Sir, your PowerPoint and our actions taken almost a year ago indicate we have put earnest money towards a project that we believe, and it sounds like the professionals in this room really do believe, is incredibly viable. Please just consider anything we can do to support the project.
We will. Thank you.
And thank you again for being available and waiting. It's now 7 o'clock in the evening waiting to give that presentation. Thank you.
And get some barbecue. Thank you.
OK, that brings us to item 22 under individual consideration.
Good evening, Nick Winkleman, Chief Operating Officer, Corpus Christi Water. I would like to recognize we also have in the audience today Mr. Dan Leyendecker. Dan is the Principal National Initiatives Director for Ardura. He also is a key partner of the Corpus Christi D-Cell Partners. Also is Efrain Rodriguez, who's with Acciona, and Mr. Dave Bergstrom with Moztech. Today, during this item, there's two parts to the presentation. First, I will provide the project development. I'll provide some project details, financial impact. And then what we will do is I'll let Dan Leyendecker come up and he'll provide a the second half of the presentation regarding options for golf discharge. And he will also address expandability. AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, I WILL COME BACK UP AND PRESENT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO JUST A RECAP ON WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN NOVEMBER, MOST RECENTLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN. IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, THE CITY MANAGER MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A NEW PROPOSAL WITH CORPUS CHRISTI DECEL PARTNERS. ON NOVEMBER 18TH, Council authorized an MOU with Corpus Christi desale partners to develop a proposal with a preliminary guaranteed maximum price. Work was done from December to February for the desale partners to provide a design proposal and construction options. In January, this council along with the city manager appointed members of the far field committee We held eight far-field committee meetings. And then in February of 2026, Council approved staff to proceed in negotiating a design-build contract with the Corpus Christi desal partners. In June, early June, the far-field model was presented by Spheros Environmental. And then this council also heard a motion to move forward with the 60% design of the Inner Harbor Seawater Desalination Plant. During that June meeting, there was a motion to table that item until September 1st, and this is where we are today. The project team for Corpus Christi Desal Partners consists of Acciona, Maztec and Ardura. Axiona has significant experience in seawater desalination. They have design and construction of 92 seawater reverse osmosis plants. They have ongoing operations of 25 seawater reverse osmosis facilities throughout the world. They are one of the recognized world leaders in reverse osmosis, and they have 22 patent families and 60 brands granted to Acciona. Moztech is a national and local construction company with tremendous resources and knowledge. Moztech is also ranked as the largest minority control general contractor in the United States. Ardura has longstanding local knowledge. Ardura has worked with the city for decades and they've also worked with Corpus Christi Water for many years and have been instrumental into both water and wastewater projects for Corpus Christi Water. The Inner Harbor Seawater Desalination Facility is for 30 million gallons a day of treated water. The existing TCEQ permits provide for approximately 81 million gallons a day of intake and 51 million gallons a day of concentrate discharge. The discharge is located within the ship channel, approximately 33 feet below mean sea level. The previous presentation was also about 33 feet below sea level. I didn't know that until today. So that's a similarity there. The permits also require a discharge diffuser. The TCQ permits do require monitoring at 330 feet and 660 feet from the discharge. This slide was presented in June. However, we modified the dates with the current timeline. Basically, the completion of the project, if we could get started today, would be estimated in June of 2030. The contract to be considered today is a $78.6 million contract for project administration support and design progression to 60%. That would include a basis of design and a guaranteed maximum price, and also a demonstration plant that is required by the TCEQ. This is the only amount of funds that is up for consideration tonight. However, we do know that Corpus Christi D-Cell Partners has prepared a preliminary guaranteed maximum price, and that number hasn't changed since June. It's $900,000, or $900,160,000. The next two slides are in regards to rate impacts. So again, the Item for consideration is the 60% design. And then also there's a subsequent item on the agenda. If this item is approved for the owner's representative and independent cost estimator. So that is why if in this slide you can see the cost at $81.1 million, it includes both of the agenda items today. The one that we're talking about now and the next one. The interesting thing to note is that we currently have Texas Water Development Board funding. We've drawn that funding, and we are also using the drought surcharge exemption fee to pay the debt service coverage on that. Therefore, there is no rate impact associated with your decision today in calendar year 2027 and 2028. Again, that is utilizing the Texas Water Development Board SWIFT loan funding. We've also shown the monthly bill increase for a typical residential, commercial, and large volume user. But again, these numbers are just for the decision point today. At the 60% design, the item would come back to Council for review and consideration to remove forward to complete design and to move forward with construction. This next slide is for the full project cost. So that includes what you're considering today and also the remaining construction contracts. So you can see the capital expenditures. You see it at $978 million. Annual operating expense is estimated at $32 million. Your cost of water per thousand gallons is $8.26. The raw water rate increase, remember every customer class pays the raw water rate, would increase $2.36. And then in the green boxes we have what would the monthly bill increase for some of our customer classes. Corpus Christi residential customers who typically use 6,000 gallons This is when the project is fully complete and online would see a monthly bill increase of fourteen dollars and sixteen cents. The commercial customers typically one that uses typically twenty thousand gallons a month would see an increase of their monthly bill forty seven dollars and sixty cents in a large one of our large volume users who may use ninety ninety million gallons of water a month would see a monthly increase of two hundred fourteen thousand dollars. A couple of things to note. This is utilizing TWDB SWIFT low interest loans for the debt service. We've also projected in, when this was done, decreased revenues associated with the drought as we've seen our water usage drop. There are additional grant opportunities. Of course, we did not apply for the Bureau of Reclamation grants this cycle. We're hopeful if this project moves forward, when this project moves, that we would then apply for Bureau of Reclamation grant opportunity next cycle. Of course, there are other grant opportunities and, of course, also additional SWIFT loan funding. The next slide, I get asked all the time at our community input sessions, who pays for what? And we show this slide at all of the water community sessions. The water fund is an enterprise fund, means we are fully funded by all of our rate payers. Therefore, the customer classes who use the most water pay the most to cover the cost of the fund. If you look at the pie chart, our wholesale customers would contribute to about 42% of the cost. The large Valium users would contribute 31% of the cost, our commercial customers 14%, and our residential customers 13%. Nearly 87% of the Inner Harbor Seawater Plant project would be paid by non-Corpus Christi residential payers. The cost of the plant is associated would be distributed among the raw water rate. And that rate is per 1,000 gallons. Every customer class pays the raw water rate. A couple of things to note, and I do want to be clear. So our wholesale customers also have large volume users. For example, the San Patricio Municipal Water District has the Gulf Coast Growth Ventures. That is included in the wholesale customer category. The category that says large volume, those are the CCW large volume users. So you can think of Citgo, of Lero, of Flynn Hills Resources. Earlier I brought up the Texas Water Development Board, and they have been with us in this process for many, many years, and we're very thankful to their support. It's a great team, and we absolutely enjoy working with them. In June, what the city did is we requested, we made a formal request to restructure our SWIFT loan agreement to change the milestone dates. This restructuring agreement would have to go to a Texas Water Development Board board meeting for review and approval. We have not received the date of when this item would go to the board meeting, the TWDB board for review and consideration. But this was a request that was made after the June council meeting. At this point, I'm going to provide it. Kick it over to kick it over. Invite Dan Line Decker to come up. Dan is going to provide more detail on potential expansion and also golf discharge opportunities. And then once Dan's done, I'll finish it out. But then we will both be all of us will be available for questions.
Dan. Thank you, Nick and Council Mayor Pro Tem. Peter, thank you for letting me present this. Where did this start? This actually started approximately June 4th of this year after the last tabling. And me and the team got together and said, let's listen some more. And what did we hear in the past council meetings and from the public? We also went out to the public and met with various people. throughout the city, various representatives of various groups, people that are vocal, vocally against the project. And the first part of that was first to seek for us to understand and to understand where they're coming from and have those one on ones. I can say this from those meetings that they were each and all very gracious, very open and very honest in our discussions. And I truly appreciate that. I think it's made us better engineers just listen to that. I can say for me personally, it's made me a better human being listening to all these stories. I've also had this project and all the water projects to a point you know, has divided this community. I live here. I've been living here for over 30 years. And what I'm reminded of, though, is that truly what we're after is not the competition amongst each other, but I think we have one common enemy. And that one common enemy is drought. We are constantly pursued by drought. Drought is always on its way. Drought is continuous. It's persistent and relentless. And in that drought, and for example, and I heard some comments today that this was a manufactured drought that we had. In the last 30 years, we've had four major droughts. And I think everybody can recognize that our droughts have become more intense and have longer duration. And I'd like for us to come together as a community to solve that problem. of drought, and we need water for that. Desalinated water helps solve that equation. It is not subject to rainfall or recharge. It is there consistently at a consistent price, and it's reliable. It is not experimental. It is a proven technology that's proven itself worldwide. With that, I'll go ahead and start the presentation. Let me tell you what we gathered and what we heard. And I'll start up with they don't believe in the TCEQ permitting or permitting process. I can tell you right now TCEQ has numerous, numerous experts on their team who have evaluated this permit that has been awarded or been approved by the state of Texas. They have professionals. And if they don't have somebody on staff, they reach to their sister agencies and they bring those professional in to do the evaluation. But we still heard that might not be enough. Having said that, we came up with an idea and we we approached Coastal Bend Bays and Estuaries and they were gracious enough to meet with us and we offered up a real-time monitoring plan or proposed a real-time monitoring plan in the Bay. And they were gracious enough to accept that said if this project passes that they would be willing to administer and run that independent scientifically run real-time monitoring program in the Bay and the Bay that we're all concerned about that I fish in and that everybody else fishes in and enjoys. If we can, go to the next slide. Let me start back up one. Back to the TCEQ. Forward one, please. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Here I just want to give some perspective back to the TCEQ and where we're discharging into and taking our water from. It's a simple example, but it's an illustration. That orange building you see there is a representation of City Hall. inside the inner harbor ship channel. It sticks approximately the depth of the inner harbor is 54 feet deep. And what you see in the plan view up above is city hall sitting on the city block where we're at now and how that fits inside the inner harbor ship channel. What I'm also trying to show here is about where we're at here at city council chambers up to Peter's office on the fifth floor is about how deep this is. and our discharge is at 33 feet, or about the third floor here. I just wanted to give everybody a sense of scale and size of the Inner Harbor and where we're discharging into. This was a preliminary plan that we met with bays and estuaries on. The red dot is the discharge. The green dot is the intake. The yellow dots are proposed real-time monitoring stations. And the proposal here is if the project does move forward and the RFQ goes out for the operation and maintenance, that's another change that's occurred since a year ago, is that operation and maintenance will be contracted out. Through that operation and maintenance contract, they will engage bays and estuaries in concert with the operations team to come up with a monitoring plan. The monitoring plan would measure dissolved oxygen, salinity, and temperature. The good part about this monitoring plan is that real-time data, and if we do it when we hire the operation and maintenance contractor, is that we'll have about two, two and a half years of baseline data before the plant comes online. That can then be fed into the far-field model, which we believe is accurate. It had been done by a very professional firm. Their consultant was an extremely professional, well-known firm, and it was reviewed by a firm that has done many of your wastewater treatment plant permits. What we would do is feed this data into the far-field model and calibrate it to that real-time data that we just took over that two, two-and-a-half-year period. This helps assuage the fears of us ruining the bay, quote-unquote. We would sit there and show with this far-field model and the monitoring data of being able to adjust the plant if we're seeing any rise in salinity or if we're seeing any kind of impacts. The far-field model also showed during its two-year modeling run for 22 days a year that the salinity rose one part per thousand within the ship channel and went out approximately one mile. During those days that are already identified and as we're monitoring it, it's proposed that that's when maintenance could occur, for example, on the plant, where the plant will be dialed back and turned down during those higher periods that occur seasonally. That's the proposal. We have a, hang on, we have a, Am I pointing at the wrong thing? You might have the magic touch. Yeah, if we could go to the next slide. Sorry, we're going to reboot. I have been talking too much, I guess. However, so in concert with the Bayesian estuaries, we'd come up with an operation and monitoring plan that would be integrated with the operation of the plant. In essence, when we think things are might be need to dial back the plant, those times would we would dial back the plant when things are operational or looking good or within the green zones, we would operate the plant as normally we would.
Mr. Linder, your presentation crashed, so they're going to bring it up in just a moment. Sorry about that.
All right. Appreciate it. Let me go off this other one here. Always count on paper.
Do you need the monitor, or are you just going to verbalize?
Well, I'll wait for it to come up. But some of the things that we through this monitoring plan. I've already covered most of that. And in your packet, you have the letter from bays and estuaries attesting to their willingness to discuss and set up this monitoring plan. The next one, you kind of need to have the map. We also heard about that they would really prefer Gulf discharge than go into the bay. So we also heard that the preference would be instead of discharging into the bay is that they would prefer a Gulf discharge. With the Gulf discharge, we evaluated several routes. We did evaluate some routes going north, but getting under the Inner Harbor Ship Channel, the cost for that was pretty tremendous. So we eliminated those options going north currently. So we came up with three options. One was the shortest route coming out of the inner harbor, due east, crossing on county property on the island, and then discharge it in the Gulf, approximately 1.8 miles currently is what we had estimated. Then we have another one going through basically the middle of the town coming out near Packery, which we would have to go much further out because that's currently, I'll call it a no discharge area, no discharge zone, so we'd have to go out much further. And then the third one, the longest route, goes south and goes by and picks up other projects, including Chapman Ranch and or Barney Davis. In all these cost estimates, we did two estimates. For example, on the yellow line, we did an estimate, or excuse me, let me back up. Once we had the opportunity to look at a gulf discharge, that means the Inner Harbor was now expandable. And the expandability number that we landed on was an additional 50 MGD for a total of 80 MGD. Why did we pick that number? There are several reasons why we picked 80 MGD. 80 MGD approximates or is a little larger than Mary Rhodes pipeline delivery of 75 MGD. And so if Mary Rhodes ever needs maintenance or, God forbid, goes down, this plant would be able to pick up that portion of it. Also, at ADMGD, we would be able to handle low or no flows from the lakes. That would also be a redundant system there, which once built, the drought contingency plan could then be revisited and would allow freshwater inflows at that time. But probably most importantly, out of all that, the reason we selected ADMGD, other than also trying to contain cost, was that it's the approximate winter average of the Owen Stevens Water Treatment Plant. And that's important because right now, all water sources that we have save the water reclaimed project, all funnel into the Owen Stevens Water Treatment Plant, which is a single source of failure. And we had a view of that briefly during winter storm Uri. Winter storm Uri we had about a nine second electricity and we had a hard time ever making up pressure again. If everybody can recall that. So this would be a secondary water treatment plant for the city and for the region. And that's why we picked ADMGD. Now back to the Gulf discharge sizing. So we selected two sizes, one for the 80 MGD discharge. And then we said, while we're going for a Gulf discharge, there's a number of projects being talked about. Let's add a capacity to include the other projects of up to 50 MGD. So when you see the pricing for the yellow line, you'll see pricing for 80 MGD discharge or the equivalent discharge for 80 MGD. And then for the blue line as well, the longest line, you'll see 80 and or 50 MGD. I believe we gave you pricing for what we call the high and the low. The lowest cost option that we came up with would be the yellow line at 80 MGD, which makes sense. It's the shorter line. And then the higher cost option would be the blue line at 80 MGD plus 50 MGD, which would total 130 MGD of production. The plant itself, the improvement stays the same at 50 MGD for phase two, which we estimated at 2.1 billion. We were trying to estimate that in 2032 dollars, so there's quite a bit of escalation there, and we have been pretty conservative with these numbers. I must be bad luck or something. But there you go. Just don't have that touch. So here's what basically what I've gone through. We can accommodate future regional brine management needs and it would remove the discharge from the inner harbor could be combined with discharges from CC polymer. And for that note, that's why we upsized it for the entire way. It would be the most conservative value is that we went from Inner Harbor at 130 MGD. So whichever route we selected, that would be the most conservative. So for example, if you go south and CC Polymer is not included in the route, you would downsize the pipe, reduce the cost, and upsize it, either at Chapman Ranch or at Parmy Davis. So again, we tried to give you a low number and a high number, and there's many iterations in between there. To the site. We met with Flint Hills, and they were gracious enough to let us show this map where the expansion would occur. This expansion would occur in two spots. If one would be an additional 10 mgd at the current what we call phase one site For the so we'd go from 30 mgd to 40 mgd The second side is approximately eleven point nine acres almost due south right off of Nueces Bay Boulevard It would also It would be expandable to 40 mgd for a total of both projects for of 80 mgd And once we get to 80 like I mentioned earlier this would allow us adjustments to the drop contingency plan Where we're tied currently to lake level? Percentages and this would allow us to revisit that Some numbers they're big numbers for a big project for this phase two We're looking at what we're calling the low end and the high end with the plant. So phase one is the current number of $978,800,000. And phase two would be $2.6 billion. That would be 2.1 of plant work and approximately $540 million for gulf discharge. The high number would be approximately $4.2 Billion dollars and that would be the longest route But that would be for a total of 130 mgd 80 mgd Built by the city and 50 mgd from others to be discharged from the Gulf On rates We tried to show all the different rates that would Be I don't want to say installed, but rates would go in approximately in 2020. I'll get there. The rate increase for the current project is approximately $2.37 per thousand at the raw rate, with a project cost of $8.30 per thousand gallons. The pipeline, the Gulf pipeline, the most direct route, as we call it, the yellow route, would be its cost is $1.36 with a raw water rate of 103. Again, phase two, the expansion, which could be done in the future. We'll show a scenario here shortly. CapEx approximately $2.1 billion with an operational cost of approximately $48 million. The cost of that water would be approximately $10.55 per 1,000 gallons and $5.02 on the raw water rate. If you come in and look at the total for ADMGD of a capex on the lower end, 3.6 billion, the opex of approximately 82 million, cost of water of $11 and a rate increase of $8.42 per 1,000. here's the high number I won't go through all these again but essentially we would have a raw water rate increase of the bottom lot number of nine dollars and 43 cents here's a scenario we looked at again this is not set in stone this is what is possible what is possible by by listening to the community And I want to back up and get to the site here momentarily and discuss that. But phase one, again, nothing's changed from what you've already heard except for the overlay of monitoring program that would be administered by bays and estuaries. We want to be pushing water to the community in 2030 at 30 MGD. If the Council desires to begin looking at these Gulf discharges and or expansion or both of the inner harbor. We showed a scenario about what we think, how long that timeline would be. And it's basically 10 years from start to finish. From 2027 to 2035, or we showed December 2035 essentially, January 2036. We tried to show these scenarios of what's possible here at the Inner Harbor. And if I could do one more item on our, oh, here we go. On conclusion, again, we have 30 MGD for $978 million plus the monitoring plan. Phase two summary would be a Gulf discharge. the ability to expand to 80 MGD. Next steps, if the council desires, is the first you have to select the route, engage all stakeholders. In other words, who wants in to be on the Gulf discharge and who does not. And once that's done, permitting can begin. And again, the total cost range that we're looking at is from 3.6 to 4.2 billion. And again, this will help with state and federal funding. It's a regional approach to several of the projects that we see here in Nueces County and in our region. With that, I'd like to dive into one other item. And I'm freelancing a bit here, but if we can. We did have a long, long conversation with Hillcrest and they were very, very gracious. And they were very accommodating. And again, publicly, I want to appreciate each and every one of them for the time that they gave to discuss their concerns. Hillcrest is sitting there on the left hand side. The top orange area is phase one. And it's approximately 19 acres. And the one that we show with the expansion below is approximately 11.9 acres. And it does encroach on their buffer area. And they're very concerned with that. They feel like this would encroach on them, and they're not very happy about it. And I understand that. All I could tell them was that us as a team, uh, we're good. We're good, uh, community partners. Um, we will watch out for the neighborhood and the community and that, uh, um, we believe that water treatment plants are good neighbors. And what I have shown on the right is existing Owen Stevens water treatment plant there on the right. And it's surrounded by subdivision residences that have been there a long time and commercial properties, residences to the south, to the east, and commercial properties, Home Depot there to the north, northwest. One of the things that did concern them, they never liked the name Inner Harbor desal plant. And one of the things we did discuss if this project does move forward is renaming the project. One of the names that we came up with, and this could be further discussed as we go, but they want to be remembered. They want the city and the rest of our communities to know that this is there if this project moves forward. One of the names we discussed was to name it the Hillcrest Water Treatment Complex. And that's one that there seemed to be some agreement on if we got there. And if I've spoken in error, please let me know. And that was discussed Friday afternoon, last Friday afternoon. But I do understand where they're coming from. I promise you that. And all I can assure them is, as a team on building this plant, we would be the best neighbors that we possibly could. And I think we have a proven track record in doing that. And with that, I'll take any questions.
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, please. Sorry.
Just two more slides, if we could. First, I'd like to just talk about next steps, if this is approved tonight. So earlier I stated there's another agenda item for an owner's representative and independent cost estimator that's next on the agenda. We would notify the Texas Water Development Board regarding the SWIFT loan. TCEQ would be notified. Of course, we would discuss The project with our rating agencies, S&P, Moody's, and Fitch. And then the contract with the Corpus Christi D-Cell partners would require to be executed. And then the design team would meet with TCQ regarding the demonstration plant. And then the city would issue an RFP request for proposals for operating services. This slide hasn't changed since the June presentation. And again, what's presented to you tonight is consideration of 60% design services. That's a total of approximately $78 million. It's a recommendation to award the design services, design and construction of the demonstration plant, and verification of the guaranteed maximum price with the Corpus Christi desale partners. And that concludes our presentation. Myself, Dan Leyendecker, and representatives of Acciona and MassMOSTAC will stand by for any questions.
Thank you, Mr. Winkleman, and thank you for the presentation. Councilman Cantu.
Thank you. Where do I start? I've got a whole bunch of questions. First of all, thank you, Dan. I've always had a great relationship, even before I was in the seat. I think you're an honest man. You make an honest living. And I think you try and do your best with what you got. And I appreciate everything you've done for the city. I know there's been times that our city manager and our water department called you because we couldn't figure things out and you helped us. And we thank you for everything you've done for the city. Do you know who will run the plant?
No, sir, not yet. That's a request for qualifications needs to go out first. And then I would imagine companies that operate and maintain desal plants worldwide would be interested in applying.
It won't it will not be the city correct won't be the city part of the plan was to put a request for proposal for an operator Okay, that's correct, right the 826 is that guaranteed?
826 per thousand If we can hold the cost there So it's not guaranteed right now, right?
Well, we currently have at the 826 if that's what you're talking about for the phase one project We have given you a preliminary guaranteed maximum price and guys, please support If I'm saying anything different a guaranteed maximum price that we've held for about as long as we've can hold it Yeah, that's the cost per thousand gallons of the completed 30 million gallon at a plant So it's a it's a guaranteed price For this council that that's that was the first thing when we came back in February you guys want a as close as we can get to a guaranteed price of Without it being a guaranteed price. Yes, sir.
So what's the worst case scenario? What's the worst case scenario price?
That we wait any longer. We're running up against, as everybody knows, some inflationary pressures.
Okay. So I take it that the new pipe included is now worth $826 per thousand, right?
That's correct.
How long will this plant take to build?
Pardon me, sir?
How long will this plant take to build?
I believe we're scheduled to be online in 2030.
2030?
2030, yes, sir. That's in the contract.
Three years.
Actually, what we would have is what would happen if approved tonight, two things would happen. We would begin the demonstration plant and begin design for the 60% set of plans. And approximately one year from now, we'd come back verifying our guaranteed maximum price one year from now.
So right now we have a 10% design, correct?
Internally, we developed our own, yes, sir. At no cost to the city.
At that 10%, it's a $978 million, correct?
Pardon me, sir?
So right now, with the 10 percent design that you guys did or whatever the case is, you're showing that it will be nine hundred. That's correct.
So if you recall our conversations, the nine seventy eight is a set price where if needed, we would have what we were calling levers to be able to adjust and to keep to keep the nine seventy eight price.
So if we approve this today, the 60% design, will the $978 million change? Is it possible that it change to over a billion dollars?
Only if we wait longer for approval. Unless there's some type of force majeure. So you could guarantee today. Councilman, unless there's some kind of force majeure or some other action, Black Swan event, like COVID happened where we have inflation. But having having said none of that happening is we wake up today to believe we will. I think I can speak for the team. We will hold the price at nine hundred and seventy eight million.
OK, so you'll hold the price at nine seventy eight million guaranteed.
Yes, sir.
OK. And then. So you want us to approve 60% design for $78 million, correct? Yes, sir. So then what happens once we get to 60% and we go to 100% and the price is not 978, what my concern is, say you do the 60% and then you go to the 100% and the price is not 978, it's more, but we already spent $78 million. It's kind of hard to say no because we already invested so much money in this project, just my thought.
Can I address that, Councilman? Sure. So the idea is, and the way this will work, is we'll come back with a 60% set of plans with a guaranteed maximum price at 60% approximately one year from today or one year from now. That price gets set in the contract as the guaranteed maximum price. That's what we must build the project for or less or at that price if we run into issues Some of the items we call them levers that we could be able to adjust without sacrificing quality of the project without sacrificing the water quality leaving the project or Anything having to do with the discharge of the plant we still have to meet all the parameters of the plant
So you could still guarantee the nine seventy eight and twenty thirty. We'll be done in twenty thirty, but so you can guarantee the nine seventy eight twenty five. Yes. Twenty thirty. Yes, sir. OK. And then. Nick, how much money do we have on hand for this project cash on hand?
So the Texas Water Development Board SWIFT loan is about $250 million, $255 million. We have loans available from the TWDB. It's about $755 million. And then what we did, Councilman, is we identified there's a gap, of course. So options include requesting more low-interest loans from TWDB. The other options, of course, are absolutely pursuing every grant opportunity we can. And then the other option, of course, would be revenue bonds.
How are we doing with the contracts with industry?
I can talk to that if you'd like. Sure. So there's a couple of contracts that are getting really close. One of them is Lyondell-Bissell. We're also in active negotiations with Citgo. Additionally, we're in active negotiations with Celanese also. And then we're working on the others.
Who do you have active lawsuits with for disputing the water bills?
So there's a public utilities commission. There was a request to look at the rates for 2024 and 2025. We've been going through that process for quite some time now. So that case, that PUC case, largely involves outside of city limit large water volume users.
Has anybody spoken to the Port of Corpus Christi, see if they want to help us with this project again?
So we do speak to the Port of Corpus Christi, and we speak to them about all of our water projects. Personally, I have not spoken to them about contributing. I think what you mean is contributing financially to the project.
At one point, they wanted to help the city and be a partner with us, and some people blew that opportunity. This is my second, this is my last question, not question, but this is going to a neighborhood, right? And understand where they're coming from. I wouldn't want it in my backyard. I'm sure the country club wouldn't want it in their backyard. I'm sure King's Crossing wouldn't want it in their backyard. And, you know, even where we live at and where I represent, they don't want in their backyards. Crestmont, Ayr Street, Old Ropstone Road. They don't even want to have a homeless shelter built in their neighborhood. And then we want to build this desal plant in their neighborhood. I just don't understand and I don't think I can support that. I'm going to come back. I have a statement I'm going to make, but I appreciate everything you have done, everything you have done, Dan and Peter. Thank you.
Councilwoman Vaughn.
Well, I want to thank you and Moztech, Axiona, and Odura for all the hard work you've done. I know you've worked really hard. We gave you a task, asked you to come back with a cheaper price. You did that. It was 1.5 plus, y'all came back with 978. That's unreal. So thank you for that. And I appreciate how you've acted with the different people that you've met with, because I've seen it. And you did it with such grace and honesty. You didn't have to do that, and you engaged with them. And I think, I wish that's what had happened to this council in the very beginning, had we engaged with the public. I think that would have been a great opportunity for us, and things might be different. I want to ask you a few questions. Yes, ma'am. How loud is the plant? How loud is it going to be?
It's going to be less than the, if you want, 85 decibels. I know that at leaving the plant. So it'll be under the ordinance. Efren, would you like to?
Yeah, it will be under the limits that are set in by the ordinance by the city.
Okay. Can you give me an example how loud that is? I don't know what those decimals are.
It's...
What's necessary? I mean, it's not going to be any louder than what anyone's going to complain about. Is that what you're telling me?
It's almost noticeable.
Almost noticeable? Okay.
Thank you. It's very, very low levels. I mean, the equivalent of that level of decibels is very low. I just don't know how to compare it. How to explain it. Okay. Maybe a fan.
Yeah, just dumb it down. Okay. Can the Gulf discharge be accelerated faster than your timeline?
That's a possibility, yes, ma'am. Okay. The gulf discharge does not have to be directly tied with the expansion of the inner harbor. In other words, the gulf discharge, once a rod is selected, we could accelerate the permitting, design, and construction of that by approximately probably three years.
Okay. Is the monitoring that you're prepared going above and beyond the TCEQ permit?
Yes, ma'am. The TCEQ permit already requires monitoring at 330 feet from the discharge and 660 feet. In addition to that, they require what's called whole effluent toxicity testing. And just in layman's terms, we test a little critter called mycid srimp. for seven days we put it in the discharge basically that's diluted and against a control setting and We watch them for six days. I believe and then you analyze how many of have lived and Compared to the control set so you're actually testing organisms with the discharge so that's what TCU key requires what this will do the Bay monitoring would be all these buoys would be in strategic areas. They cannot be put in the ship channel due to navigation issues. But for the ship channel testing, what we talked about is having grab samples at a certain frequency once or twice or three times a month, whatever that we decide that that would be. But where the buoys could go, you would have real time data that that the bays and estuaries and us agree with, that would be public. The public could be able to see that. It's just like the buoys that we use now when we fish. We check the buoys out in the Laguna Madre or wherever they're located to see what the current conditions are.
Okay, so the salinity monitoring will be in the harbor, in the inner harbor. So how did bays and estuaries respond to that?
Bay's and Esther's responded to testing. Testing, yeah. They were very gracious. They liked the idea quite a bit. I think that's why we received a letter of them agreeing to take this on and to administer and coordinate the monitoring plan.
Well, it was so small I couldn't read the print. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. I trust you. Yes, ma'am. When was the last time the lake levels were at a combined 43%? I think we said that the other day. Do you remember?
Yes, ma'am. So back to my earlier, I think our common enemy is drought.
Yeah.
The last time we were at 43% was June 2023.
23, okay. I know you met with a lot of people. How many individuals and groups do you think you talked to?
Over 30.
Really? Can you give me an example?
uh would be the hillcrest community uh i don't want to say names just a few councilwoman just individuals that maybe were fishermen yeah we we fishermen talked i talked to met and talked on the phone with numerous fishermen um i haven't gotten approval to say you know just general people but fishermen scientists uh uh community activists uh uh People that are, you know, have been publicly against the project. That's basically the categories. And also, you know, some for the project. I've also met with people that are in support of the project.
You know, there was a little bit of snickering going on when you talked about naming it Hillcrest.
Yes, ma'am.
But I think that if they want that, if that were the fact that they were pleased with that, and you talked to them, I don't know what your response was. I got a lot of head shaking around here, but I know you talked to Hillcrest yourself, so.
Yes, ma'am. The way it came up was if the project moved forward, they would like to be recognized.
Absolutely.
And one of the ways that we talked about them being recognized was naming the plant something other than Inner Harbor. Sure. And what we talked about was the Hillcrest Water Treatment Complex or Center.
Okay. Okay.
They're absolutely here.
Okay, the pipe going into the gulf. I know that the further it goes, the larger the pipe. So that adds to the cost. Now, you picked the shortest route, correct?
We picked, yes, ma'am. We picked one of the shortest. So that was one of the routes that we've shown to analyze.
Because it's going to cost more with the bigger pipe. We know that.
Yes, ma'am. The longer the route, yes, ma'am.
Okay. page 22 have a question on that okay you're saying it's a 10-year timeline so i'm assuming what you're saying is the plants will be ready in 2030 and then the timeline for the 10 years is because of the pipe discharge out into the Gulf.
Yes, ma'am. So we did two things at the same time there. What we showed was expanding the plant and getting the discharge pipe out approximately the same time that the plant expansion of 50 MGD would come online as well.
Okay. So, you know, my concerns all along has been, is it safe? And we never got the far field study back. I'm assuming that we have someone looking at that. I'm not sure, but we never got it back. Um, And the other thing was cost. That was a big concern. My concern here, because you've done a really good job. I think it's a good plan because you addressed the problem. We wanted the discharge to go out into the Gulf. That was one of the biggest issues with everybody. My concern is what guarantee do we have that after we approve the plant, that they're ever going to let that discharge out into the Gulf. They could come down here at the next council could say, we're not doing it. So we don't have a guarantee. Correct, Dan. And that's not on you.
just saying we don't have a guarantee the only way that could happen is if you uh get that started while this council is still uh yeah seated and it's going to be in order to do that it's going to be around four point something billion i think is what we said yes ma'am that's with the expansion yeah okay i think that's all i got right now thanks thank you councilman hernandez dan uh
say thank you you you know you're you're doing your best job to put lipstick on a pig and uh makeup dress whatever you want to call it your it's best i get what you guys are trying to do and i and i appreciate all the work you've done with corpus christi and our water treatment plants the wastewater reuse project and a lot of our wastewater treatment plants um So this is, you know, it's mainly, and I'd like to ask, I'd like to bring a little history here. And, you know, we're in this mess because we, and this goes to item number 24 with selecting Friesen Nichols to do the work on, the pre-work on DeSalle that told us it was going to be $222 million, then it became $757 million, then all of a sudden it was $1.3 billion, sorry, $1.2 billion, and, you know, They were not qualified to get us into this. So we got put into this mess by an engineering firm that shouldn't have been given the job to begin with. So here we are, trying to put the lipstick on the pig. And then I remember when we were trying to put this through for procurement, I begged Drew Molley TO ALSO PUT IN THIS AS A P3. HE BASICALLY GAVE ME THE FINGER AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING A P3, WE'RE DOING PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD. THE FINGER THING IS FIGURATIVELY, NOT LITERALLY. I DON'T THINK HE GAVE ME THE FINGER. BUT THE WHOLE THING WITH THIS IS THAT WE NEVER DID A P3. I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN THE BETTER OPTION BECAUSE THE RISK WOULD HAVE SHIFTED TO THE CONTRACTOR, NOT US. SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, IF WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH THIS CONTRACT OR EVEN IF WE DID IT WITH KEYWIT, WE WOULD HAVE SPENT CLOSE TO $100 MILLION WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE GUARANTEED PRICE. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING YOUR BEST TO GET TO THAT 978, BUT WE REALLY WON'T KNOW, WE WON'T GET IT IN WRITING UNTIL WE SPEND $109 TO GET THAT GUARANTEED PRICE. I DESPISE THE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD PROCUREMENT METHOD BECAUSE TO ME IT'S JUST WRITING A BLANK CHECK. AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I WOULD RATHER DUMP THIS PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD AND GO TO A P3 PROCUREMENT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME DELAYS ON IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER PROCESS. I THINK EVEN IDE EVEN MENTIONED SOMETHING ON THOSE LINES THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. So for us, when we started off, our cost was around $3.25 per 1,000 gallons, which was very reasonable at the time. But now it went up to 11, now it's $8, now $8.26 that you projected, but that's before getting to 60% designed. And just for perspective, we're paying $3 right now coming out of Owens-Stevens. We decided to go with some of the other projects, including the wastewater reuse project, because those costs were a lot less than what we're talking about here with DeSalle. And for us, it was about just getting the water, the lowest cost, the most water at the lowest possible price. Going back to Nick, you know, we kind of asked for us to get some guaranteed customers with take or pay contracts, and we don't have those yet. So it's very hard for us to commit ourselves to $78 million without having a guaranteed customer with those contracts. And it's something we brought up the last time this came up when we postponed it to today. We should have had at least a couple of those signed saying that, because I mean, we're going to be on the hook for a billion dollars and we have no guaranteed customer.
We have a number of guaranteed customers, Councilman.
Well, yeah, it's all the people here.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF OUR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS, RIGHT, ALL OF THOSE ARE GUARANTEED CUSTOMERS, THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS HAVE CONTRACTS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT LARGE VOLUME, AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, LARGE VOLUME WATER USERS, NOT THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS, NOT THE, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THOSE GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT WERE HERE, BUT LARGE VOLUME WATER USERS.
RIGHT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR. But, yeah, I did give Councilman Cantu the update on our contracts with our large volume users. One of our customers, Valero, is largely coming off of the potable water system because of that effluent reuse contract. It's a 30-year contract. They put their money where their mouth is. They did, yeah.
They put up $300 million to build out that line, right?
The estimate was $100 million, sir.
$100 million? Yeah. Where did that $300 come from? Okay, they still put up $100 million. That's still a significant investment. So, I mean, if we went ahead and did this, what would be the reason for them to sign a contract?
For Valero or any large?
I mean, for any large volume water user that hasn't signed a contract already.
Well, we continue to work with them. I mean, everyone's working towards signing those contracts, all those entities that I explained, right?
You know, bird in hand is worth two in the bush, right? That's why we're working on it.
Yeah, that's right.
You've got birds in the bush, and you want us to commit to $78 million.
You know, one of the things that I like what Mr. Leindecker said was, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT, TOO, IS THE SOURCE VULNERABILITY OF THE SYSTEM, MEANING ONE WATER TREATMENT PLAN AT OWEN STEPHENS, MEANING THE DEPENDENCY UPON EITHER THE WESTERN SUPPLIES OR THE EASTERN SUPPLIES. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE, WE'RE ALL VERY APPRECIATIVE, AND THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB SUPPORTING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE MARY ROADS PIPELINE. It is supplying 70, 75% of our water, 70 and 75% of our water today.
Councilman, you stated something about the cost of treated water leaving Owen Stevens at $3. I didn't write it down, but it just was $2 of his $1.18 for raw water and $1.80 for treatment. Correct. So if you, if, So just as a reminder, this would be treated water. This would be treated water that goes directly to the navigation pump station. So the raw water rate is technically also a treated water rate, I would think, at $2.35.
No, no, the raw water rate we're paying is $2.18. Oh, yes, you're correct.
Okay. You're correct. The project cost is $8.
Right. Okay, I'll wait until my next time. Yep.
Councilwoman campers Thank you well, I hope Dan again, thank you for trying to Put this back together. He stole my line about the lipstick on a pig Did you read my notes? anyway I DO WANT TO AT LEAST THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO REACH OUT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN AFTER THE FACT, AFTER WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, THIS TREMENDOUS OUTPOURING OF WE DON'T, NOT IN MY BACKYARD. AND AGAIN, LIKE COUNCILMAN CANTU SAID, NO NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT IT IN THEIR AREA. The other thing that I also, and it hasn't been mentioned here lately, but it's always been said that it's uninterruptible. But in fact, that's not true, is it? Because it's been proven that the desalination plants that are here in the United States have been down. As a matter of fact, Tampa, I believe, only operated 120 days out of the 365. I don't know what the amount was in Carlsbad, but I know that these desalination plants do go down. And, you know, we pay a lot of money or we're considering paying a lot of money to have guaranteed water. But in fact, it's not guaranteed. So I'm just saying that that is, I believe, true. The other thing is I wrote down some of the comments that we had here throughout the day. And it's not on you because you're just doing your job. Like I told you before, Dan, that you're an engineer. You're going to figure this thing out. But what it's going to do is it's going to balloon the cost. I mean, that's why... We, the city never initially said they were going to put it out into the Gulf because it costs money, lots of money. We're talking $4 billion. And for what? What is this serving? That's the question. Every time that we, you know, say that we need more water, we need more water, For whom? I mean, we as people, 16% is all we use. 16%. So, you know, why again should we be going after this kind of industry when, you know, we still haven't even looked at solar floating panels to save the evaporation of the water. Like the IDE people that came in, they actually stated that they reuse their water. They'll try everything else before they do a desalination plant. Again, I don't think I don't know if I can play the decimals that that it was referred to I think y'all said 80 and Someone sent me this is what 80 would sound like and it would be like imagine having a power tool or lawnmower all night long 24 7 so yeah, it's gonna be Loud I don't think anyone would want to be next to that. I And your comment about Hillcrest and renaming it to something like Hillcrest, I find that hard to believe. But OK, maybe that's what you heard. But as far as I know, I'm pretty close to the Hillcrest community, and I did not hear that at all. Again, it's not for us. I, you know, will continue to oppose this project. It's not personal, Dan. It's not, you know, but it's not for us. and I will continue to fight for my people, for the people that live here. I come from the indigenous tribe . We've always taken care of our land. We will continue to take care of our land. Whatever we do now, it's not for our generation, Dan. It's for our great, great, great grandchildren. So that's what I'm thinking about. it's not it's not for us right now it's whatever we are going to be leaving behind um again it all these other statements that i wrote down they were mainly about you know the corp the corporations and the industry and um i myself like you know councilwoman um vaughn has stated I don't know here in the dais, but at least in a radio show, that she didn't want to turn our city into a Texas city or Port Arthur. I agree 100%. I don't want it. I don't think anybody else here wants it either. Councilman Scott.
Hey, Dan, thank you. I like your idea. I'm supportive of it. I don't I'm not a big fan of P3s. I do think we ought to own it. And I've said that to other entities that have come to us, because I think one of the reasons why Tampa didn't run all the time is they didn't need the water all the time. You don't. run the plant when you don't need the water. So the fact that for the most part, you're not running all the time is a success story. And if we're paying for 30 million gallons a day on a take or 50 million gallons a day on a take or pay contract, you don't need it, you're still buying it. So I'm really supportive of the concept of a public entity owning it, a private entity designing it, a private entity building it, and a private entity running it But we own it. It's been talked about. When we went to California a year ago, that was a bummer, right, because they went, yeah, you can't come in. I'm like, what? We flew all the way out here, and they're like, yeah, you can't come in. Well, if we owned it, we would go, yeah, come on, and you can see it. So I think it's good having a private sector design, build, and operate. I think the public sector needs to own it. I think it works financially. I think it just works operationally. And I think that's indicated on the work that they've done in Tampa. I heard people ask you, hey, find a solution. And I think you went out and did it. I think the buoys were a great idea. I don't know that I know anybody, I don't talk to the bays, but you said you talked to them and they were supportive. Makes sense to me. You drop the buoys in, you get real-time data before. Then when the plant comes on, you get real-time data. And if there's a hiccup, you ratchet back and figure out why there's a hiccup. That sounds smart to me. I like the idea of an alternative to take it offshore. I think that's smart. I don't know what, and we kind of, argued about that tonight. Not argue, we discussed the fact that we don't really know what the future holds. Do you need another 50 MGD? I've told people that I think 30 MGD plus 20 if you use the wells, and my well buddies not here tonight, but and you get 16 from the affluent, you know, you're looking at 66 million gallons a day, which is two thirds of your total demand in the winter, and does allow you opportunities, I think, to ratchet down Mary Rhodes, when you need it. So I think you gave us everything we needed to have, and I appreciate it. And I think somebody may run the story. I said I supported this in June, and I even more so support it today. And I appreciate the work you've done. And I appreciate that.
Thank you, sir.
Dan, thank you. You took the time, I think it was last week, you reached out and we got to meet and kind of go over the concept. And I did meet with you to hear what you had to say. You know, I appreciate that you have tried to take much of the feedback, criticisms, input, and like it was said many other times tonight, and tried to make the best out of the situation. So I appreciate that. I think my questions are maybe pointed at well he's not here so i'll skip mr zanoni i'll take it on mayor pretend um you had you put in there about the monitors and that if we if if the monitors were to indicate that we were in a zone that was less ideal, which based on the study that was done, which was more of a technical far field, we know that salinity is going to change. We know there's the discharge in this body of water, which is small. You had that slide that showed it was small. tight fit even for city for city hall but um so we know that that discharge is going to cause impacts in this channel so if you put the monitoring system we're out a billion dollars we've got the plant out there water's running we've already committed to 4.2 billion and now systems show something's wrong you said well we can shut it down those are days that we could do maintenance we could do all of this um That, and also, you know, Councilman Scott kind of had a different perspective. It was said that the plant, I think it was in California, only operated 100, 120 days out of the 365. It was said, well, that's a negative. It says, well, that was actually, I'm sorry, it was Tampa. My apologies, my apologies. So that was a success story. Well, to me, I feel like that's where we'd have to really say, for $4.2 billion, for a plant that we'd maybe need to run a third of the time, if that's how we measure success, then have we invested that money well? So at 80 million gallons a day, and I appreciate it. I had said last time that nothing was brought to us that was different. This is different. There's some different items on this presentation. But 80 million for 4.2 billion FROM WHERE I SIT, I RECEIVE, BECAUSE I'M A BIG PROPONENT FOR THE HARBOR ISLAND PROJECT, I AM TOLD CONSTANTLY THAT THAT IS COMPLETELY FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE TO EVEN CONSIDER $6 BILLION FOR 100 MGD. WE'RE LOOKING AT 4.2 FOR 80. THIS IS AGAIN, NOTHING PERSONALLY TO YOU, MR. LEINDECKER. AND I DO THINK THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SLIDE ON HERE, SLIDE 17. It references that if we went with this plan, the final bullet point says this would be regional coordination, which may provide greater opportunities for state and federal funding.
Correct.
We supply water to seven counties as is. We're already a regional outfit. I think most of our applications. for projects list that. Most projects we do supply a regional water supply. I understand the argument is that the more entities you add, the better. I get that. But we've got to be responsible for what we expense here. One of the things on here is talking about the Barney Davis facility. Last week, thank you, Nick, I asked for a specific presentation with details about Barney Davis, and it's still showing every indication that they're interested in talking to us about a desal facility there. That direction, which was the council direction, it was a resolution to direct staff, was for us to work with CPS Energy on a desalination project for this community, for our seven county needs. THIS WOULD BASICALLY ASK TO FLIP THAT. THIS IS DISCUSSING SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM COMING IN FOR THEIR OWN DESALINATION NEEDS AND THAT THEY COULD TIE INTO THAT. I SEE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. PLEASE CLARIFY. I BELIEVE THAT WAS FROM OUR ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION.
NO, MA'AM. SO AGAIN, I'M STILL A PROPONENT THAT ALL WATER IS NEEDED IN OUR REGION AND THAT EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT IS produced will be spoken for. And when I'm with number one, when you mentioned the four point two billion dollars, that includes several things. That's 80 MGD or the 50 MGD expansion. And it's a pipeline sized for an additional 50 MGD by others that can could connect to the line and utilize the Gulf discharge. So that's a total of one hundred and thirty MGD. One of the reasons why it went by Barney Davis is if a project is initiated at Barney Davis, we could work together with the Barney Davis project and pay for the Gulf discharge together. Whoever or however that situation, it's just an item sitting there that we would coordinate with the project at Barney Davis under this scenario that we're looking at.
But do you see where my argument is? So this, let's say we take that, you know, let's say we take that extra. I'll come back. Councilman Roy.
Thank you for your presentation. You know, one of the things I'm going to point out, it was interesting having two different firms that are involved in the desolidation process here today. to be able to listen to the first group who said that their experience is approximately, I don't know, 400 units and then your organization. But one of the things I thought was interesting is that there were some very parallel things that both of you said. So the first group earlier said that they want flexibility. They want flexibility so that if they don't need 100 MGD or whatever the number was, that they could scale down and be able to provide what was needed to save money. And you guys have said that all along. That was one of the first things that separated you from, oh, I almost forgot their name, Kiewit. Because Kiewit was basically building a model that would sustain the same amount 365 days a year even if the conditions had changed. So they built a model and the cost of that model based on the worst case scenario every day, right? That's correct. And the cost was out of control. But with Mass Tech and some of the things that you guys talked about, you said, we don't need to do that. We want to be able to fluctuate. So that's interesting, because that tells me that I've got two different organizations saying the same thing. I think that's a good thing, right? Yes, sir. But this really comes down to this council in terms of being open-minded or closed-minded. It has the ability, because when I sit there and I look at my job as a council member, I'm here to try and do the will of my constituents. Thank you, Rachel. I'm glad that you turned around. And the bottom line is this, is that people want water. They want water that's sustainable. You had some hurdles, and one of your hurdles is that the people made it very clear that they wanted to make sure that it's safe, whatever that mechanism is. And I think when you chose the six areas with the yellow dot, you chose those based on the public comment that the people were talking about. In terms of North Beach, because North Beach people came up here and said, look, we don't want to destroy our North Beach situation. And so you guys went out and formulated a plan to try and address that. And so I give you kudos on that. I don't think that's called putting lipstick on a pig. I think that's being responsible in terms of you hear what people's concerns are and you try to eradicate that concern. And I think that's really smart. Now, and it's interesting, I'm going to mention Mr. Miller just walked in. But one of the things that Mr. Miller talked about, and I have that same concern, is how much water do we really need? I've been asking that question since day one, is that where are we in this whole equation? Because if you think about the roadmap, when we started this, we were at 40 MGD in the Mary Roads pipeline. We beeped it up to 72. And originally, the... 30 mgd that we proposed that was proposed way back when when it was supposed to be 220 million was supposed to get us through to our needs was that that's correct right peter at that time uh you know the the original 220 million wasn't for a full 30 mgd so just well it was just want to clarify that it was for 10 right yeah that's right it was for the smaller and we could add on to it right yeah so but we were looking at based on demand and so at that point in time we were thinking okay well 30 mgd that's enough demand to get us in the future Now all of a sudden we're sitting there and we're questioning what is our real demand? And I think that is an issue. And I think we have to figure that out.
Right. You're right, Councilman. So we do have Corolla engineers working on that task. One thing that I would like to just just bring up and we're all aware, you know, previously we relied heavily on the Western Reservoirs. I think all of us have different opinions on the reliability of the Western Reservoirs today. And that changes an outlook of need in terms of water supply.
I mean, I never thought wells, groundwater was going to be really a sustainable thing. We talked about that because every time you come up for a permit change, you're susceptible to being able to have to change what your discharge allowance is. Isn't that correct?
There's potentially, yes.
Potentially, yes. So I look at all these things, and it's clear that we've got council members that have chosen certain projects. I mean, it's amazing to me that you have the CC Polymers, which is kind of in the same neighborhood, and we don't get nearly the pushback on CC Polymers as we're getting pushback in terms of the Center Harbor project. We look at Barney Davis and we've done a very limited amount of research in terms of Barney Davis. We've talked to them and they've given us some limitations in terms of how they want to work with us because they said that they're bound by rules in terms of favoritism. And I'll finish up my second time later.
Mayor Protime, just a quick, and I wasn't up here when the decibel question came up, but I just want to clarify that we did, one of the constraints we put on Corpus Christi desale partners was to meet our code, and I didn't have the code in front of me, so I'm thankful to Janet and the staff, but code 3138, actually limits the decibel to 60 to 70 decibels, depending upon the time of day and also the day of the week. Our direction to Corpus Christi DSAIL partners is they had to meet the code for the operation of the plant. And then additionally, that noise per the code is measured at the receiving property, location of the receiving property. And then entertainment districts are at, per our code, is at 85 decibels.
And this is going to be 80?
No. No, that wasn't correct. And I wasn't up here. So they have to meet our code. So it's 60 to 70 decibels, depending upon the day of the week and the time of the day.
Councilman Roy, you wanted to speak again?
I mean, I'll wait for the comment.
Do you want to wait till? Do you want to speak now or after?
So I guess this is my second time speaking. so I can finish up my train of thought. So it's clear that everybody has an opinion in terms of which project's the best and what's the optimal. I mean, we've got a lot of projects out there now. It's almost like we're kids in a candy store. Sometimes I think we have too many projects that we're looking at. But again, in terms of this project, so you overcame by looking at in terms of monitoring the area and then furthermore because we've talked about these green zones and we've talked about what is going to be safe overall and you've given us a solution that you think would be safe to eradicate the possibility that if there is something that comes up based on those alarms or the bays and estuaries doing their thing or anybody whether it's tcq or whoever then you could have a mechanism to react for that you know If I took all of this out from DeSalle and I just looked at it from a straight business model, I applaud you guys what you've done. I think it's smart to be able to try to have that flexibility to be able to show that, okay, if we do have a hurdle, then what are we going to do to overcome that hurdle? Because I really do believe that whether it's your project or whether it's the Nueces River Authority, that they're going to do the same thing. They're going to sit there and they're going to look at, okay, what are my possible hurdles that they could come up against and hopefully have a solution for those things. Because at the end of the day, nobody wants to waste the citizens' money or money by all of a sudden building this thing and spending a lot of money and then saying, oh, well, we've got to shut down. We can't operate because it's not conforming to the standards that we thought. So it is a big risk. And, you know, I've always stated that I back water. I'm not going to sit there and I'm not going to turn water down. And so for that, you know, I support this project. and hopefully we can get through this whether it's with this council or the next so thank you thank you
You were saying that the additional funding to go to 4.2 was if other organizations decided to utilize that location. So then let's say they don't and we go to 3.6. Yes, ma'am. And I understand. Everyone has their own philosophy and their own position on the project, and I respect that. That's totally fine. I respect and I acknowledge that you really have worked to try to bridge those gaps. But at the end of the day, you know, if Thank you. If I need a car and all I can find is a kayak, I'm in a bad spot because it doesn't meet what I'm looking for. And I don't believe that this has still substantially carried us into that zone. I've said it from the beginning. One of the things or multiple things have to meet that need, the volume, the delivery time, the cost, and the future vision. we did a little better on the volume we did a little better but it certainly is still there's still it still does not meet what i would feel comfortable investing on the city's behalf into this project um but i think that's that's been said but i can't underscore enough i appreciate you dan and um the proposal brought before us councilman kentu did you have a comment Do we have any more comments from the council?
I'm sorry?
Okay. So we will take public comment at this time.
Thank you again for letting us present these alternatives.
Thank you, Dan. All right. It is 844. Yes, sir. Reverend Williams.
Henry Williams, District 1.
And there were those of us from the Hillcrest neighborhood had met, you know, with Mr. Leinbacher. We disagreed totally with the process. And it was only, and he mentioned you know, the naming of the Inner Harbor desal, the Hillcrest desal, I think that was mentioned perhaps off the cuff in some humor. You know, no one would consider that, okay? I also wanted to say this. In listening to the Nueces County River Authority, the gentleman from, Israel desaline engineers. He mentioned that the Inner Harbor was not a favorable place that he would consider. We have always, always felt that the Inner Harbor desalination was the wrong place for it. That has not changed. What I would ask the five of you who voted no, in December, do not change your vote. This project, it's destructive to the Hillcrest neighborhood. It is also destructive toward our Bay. And the Bay is an iconic identity of Corpus Christi. We should not tamper with that at all. If you would, please vote no to this. And we want to, and help Hillcrest, help us build our neighborhood. That is what we are desiring to do. We want to build, and we believe that this would be destructive to it. Thank you, and God bless you.
Thank you, Mr. Williams. Reverend Williams.
My name is Deanna King, and I'm the local president for NAACP H. Boyd Hall, Corpus Christi. Good evening, Mayor, Pro Tem, and Council. I'm here again to reiterate NAACP's stance from the national to the state and local chapter that we are opposed to the inner Harbor Hillcrest proposed area for the desalinization plan. We are not opposed to industry, but we are opposed to continue encroachment on the Hillcrest residents who are already surrounded by industry. The continued encroachment upon this neighborhood violates their rights to live within a peaceful environment to enjoy their homes. NAACP says no to desalinization in the Hillcrest neighborhood and requests that the permits be pulled for the proposed Inner Harbor Hillcrest neighborhood desalinization plant. Those who are in favor of this nuisance, ask yourself, would you want this in your neighborhood? If so, council, can we find a way to put it in their backyard? In closing, I was in the meeting with Mr. Line Decker and the Hillcrest residents. I was there to tell in. And one of the things that we did discuss and at the end I said, and I asked everyone that was there from Hillcrest, is in an absolute no for the Inner Harbor desal plant. And they said, absolutely not. And I also spoke to Mr. Line Decker at the end to make sure he, that the council knew that the Hillcrest residents did not want the inner Harbor diesel plant. And I did tell him if he didn't mention it, that I was going to mention it. Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Daniel, Pena, I've been ill. I hadn't been here. One of the things that bothers me the most is this thing has been thrown around so many times. Gentlemen, it's obvious. You can't take a picture with them because they talk to you. I spoke to the people of Hillcrest. OK. You can talk to anybody in the room. Doesn't mean we agree, OK? You know, that's the most upsetting thing of all. I had to come out here. My wife said, don't go over there. Because she knows how upset I am. But the worst thing is, you know, you sit up here and fib. You lie. You tell things that aren't true. You spoke to people when you didn't. You know what I mean? And it seems to be a norm around here, you know? It's horrible. Because, I don't know, I feel for the people in Ocean Drive. You know why? because they live in a neighborhood that's being terrorized. And they came up here, and they're going to get a resolve. Can you imagine that? And they were probably a dozen people, yet I don't know how strong we got to be. How many people do we have to come before you even listen? How many people, how many times have you guys tried to sit us in a room and have a conversation with us? Never, not once, not a one of you have sat down and had a conversation with us about this particular situation. I take that back. Ms. Campos is always there. Ms. Vaughn has come and Ms. Paxson. And I appreciate it, because you're always attentive. You're always listening. And I appreciate that. You know what I'm saying? But just to make up stories that you did and you didn't. And we've been against this thing forever. These people get your attention. A dozen people over here, and you're going, man, we're going to fix it. Because the people talk. They need to be heard. And we've been out here talking for years, saying the same thing. It's time for you to listen. It's time for you to listen. We don't want it there anymore. Word that, insult to injury. Now you added a phase two to it. But Hillcrest agreed to it. Just put it in our name. I wouldn't want that thing in our name. That's the most ridiculous statement that anybody can make or even suggest for that matter. You tore our neighborhood apart. Now you want to put our name on the garbage that you're putting in there? I'm sorry. I mean, I did everything I could to come here because to clarify, if anything, I sure as hell didn't talk to him. I know I didn't. I know the officers that are on our association. It's called Hillcrest Residents Association, so you know. We didn't talk to him. We didn't say anything about putting it in our name. I just wanted to clear that. Thank you.
Thank you.
LaMarcus Knox, resident of Hillcrest.
We've got to believe something. First thing is, the two things that they actually added was the monitors, we're just going to watch the bay die. That's all it's going to do. The pipe, they finally agreed with another engineering company that it's better to put it on the Gulf. So let's see. If it's better to put it on the Gulf, we should all stop and go there. The next thing is that if we install a new pipe, that's $1.5 billion, not $900. Let's see. Hold on. I've got some more for you. All we talked about with IBE was pipe size, where the water's going, real calm. We started with the other one, Inner Harbor. We started with Inner Harbor. The tone got dark because the project is dark. You see the two different tones? So the Gulf is better than Inner Harbor. Move it. The Navy, IDE, and them says getting water from the inner harbor in ships, bad. And we're gonna take it for drinking water? Listen to what the Navy, they said, and they said. Discharge it in the Gulf, not in the inner harbor, and don't get it from there. So move your project. Sit. If you ain't listening to nothing, listen to three people who said the best thing is to discharge it in the harbor. The ships won't even take the water from the inner harbor when they're in the harbor. Why would we? Does that make sense? And we're 600 million short of what you got in your budget. Thank you.
Thank you.
Mark Minster, Corpus Christi. My main problem with these slides is just the inconsistencies, which isn't new with CC water slides. On previous slides for the 30 million gallons a day, when you include the interest and the operating costs, the total cost for just the 30 million gallons a day has been set at 2.9 to 3.32 billion. And so if you add on the phase two, the cost would be five to six billion. And just the inconsistencies of how these slides are presented with the total project cost, it's not actually the total project cost. It's just misleading and you presented it other ways before. So it's just incredibly frustrating. The slide was taken out that showed the total interest over the 30 years of the project. It just had the rate. And that is a significant number, like $500 million. And just how much time is going to be wasted on this project? Whatever happened, people would still keep coming up and airing their frustration and saying that you, the ones that they vote for, and the people you were supposed to represent do not want this project. And you should be so frustrated with city staff that they're recommending this despite all that. And then they have these consistent inconsistencies with how it's presented. It's not for regular people.
Thank you.
Good evening, Carolyn Koivula, District 2. And here we are again addressing Inner Harbor. I wonder why this is coming up again and again. You voted it down several times and the citizens clearly don't want it. industry is still by far our Greatest user of our water and they continue to tell us that they can't function with less water But I want to remind you that the fair water amendment is going to be on the ballot in November and if it passes You can surely bet that industry is going to find a way to use less water because they once they have to pay the same surcharge that we citizens pay and So now there's a proposal to look into discharging in the Gulf instead of the Inner Harbor. And yeah, that would be a giant step forward in the plan. But is this phase two ever going to happen? And meanwhile, the Inner Harbor just continues to get polluted. The current plan is still unacceptable for all the reasons that you considered before. And these reasons haven't changed. I think we need to address the type of industry that we want to attract here in our city. Do we really want more refineries or AI or ammonia plants? How about working to attract corporations and businesses that don't require vast amounts of water? I have a list here of industries that have the lowest water footprints. And also I've included a portion of an article from the website smartcities.quest. And I printed out one for each of you. And I urge you to check out this website and to read the entire article. And I thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Mayor Pro Tem Council, Lamont Taylor, Corpus Christi. I'm going to take a different approach. We the people, we the people of Hillcrest do not want this in our backyard. I appreciate First of all, Mr. Leyendecker coming in and talking to us. He did talk to us and he did tell us about his proposal that he was gonna prepare for you guys. That was excellent. We had an opportunity to have a conversation. However, we the people, We the people of Hillcrest do not want this in our backyard. For 39 years, I was an urban planner. And there's no way in the world that I would present a plan to anyone that would destroy a neighborhood. We have safeguards against that right now. We the people are requesting that you the guardians of our safety, as far as citizens are concerned, not allow this to happen. I propose that one thing, I know that November is coming and it's going to be for you individuals, maybe not be up here, but they're going to try to come back at us again. So as someone stated earlier, pull the permits. Poor the permits. Therefore, whoever comes over here the next time around will not have an opportunity to put it in our backyard. We the people, I am one of those individuals in Hillcrest who have had stage four cancer. I'm here, right here, talking to you guys. I became, from an urban planner to an environmental justice advocate. because I've seen what plants, refineries do to people that are living in these neighborhoods, are budding these industries. And you have the audacity to bring another one, one that the city wants to propose in my backyard. He said that the decimal is going to be 60 to 70. So in essence, Mr. Johnson's house is two blocks over from where this proposed plant is going to be. Mrs. Garcia's house is over on Stillman. Mr. Washington's house is over on Stillman. And they are going to be impacted by the noise that not only the plant, but the CPL APAE transmission line is going to be humming 24 hours. Thank you. Not in my backyard, we the people.
Thank you.
Dolly Trolley, District 2. Thank you for being here today. I'm here to ask you to vote to move this project forward. I want to thank Corpus Christi DeSalle Partners for taking the time to make this presentation today. They've addressed a lot of the concerns that I've heard expressed from many people in the council chambers over the past several meetings and in the community over the last year and a half to two years. But I'm gonna focus on a couple of things that I've heard today that are a little different than all the points that we've, supporters of the desal project have pointed out before. So quickly, of course it's still the only fully permitted, ready to go project. I'm not gonna focus on that. And the financing wasn't touched on much tonight, so I assume that there's some things being worked out with the state to give us some more flexibility there, which is great. So I won't focus on that. But something that I did hear was from our neighbors, and I've seen a lot of that lately, from our neighbors in rural Nueces County and San Pat County, that they're losing faith in us in being good neighbors. They see us relying a lot on our groundwater projects and they don't see us in looking forward and doing a lot of forward planning and relying on our own long-term sustainable projects and not relying on those groundwater projects. And I think moving forward on this project is going to go a long way in rebuilding that trust and becoming a good neighbor. and not showing our reliance on those projects fully and then maybe moving some other projects forward to truly diversify our portfolio of water projects. The other thing I heard today a lot repeated was your constituents don't want this. Who wants this? Who wants this? I want this. I voted for some of you up here. I want this. I know a lot of people who want this. There's a lot of people who I know have called your offices, written your offices. They may not be here behind this podium. They may not want to speak up, but they are writing you. They are calling you. They do want this. They're out there. There's 4,000 people strong in the coalition we have that do want this. So I know they're out there. And just because they're not here all day long does not mean that they don't want it. So I urge you to really consider that. There are other voices out there. Just because they're not a public comment doesn't mean people don't want this. so um again I urge you to move it forward you heard from the consultants that presented today that they can guarantee this price if we don't delay further we're already later than we would have been if we'd moved it forward a long time ago but we've had a lot more time to do that due diligence there's a lot of assurances in this new plan and I think it's time to move it forward thank you thank you
Good evening, Mayor Brottam, Council, appreciate the opportunity to speak in front of you tonight. I've had the opportunity. My name is Jeff Price. I'm the general manager for the San Patricio Municipal Water District. So I've had an opportunity to to speak with with Dan. And of course, the district has for a long time been in support of the Inner Harbor project. Our board has supported it through four different resolutions that we provided to the staff and to the TCEQ to get permits through and to be in support of that. And I'll bring it all to, the point is really the support that, and I've been on the job for a few months now, so I'm still learning and I've gotten a chance to see a lot of the different projects that have come forward. The The real benefit to this is it is a drought-proof water supply, and I've looked at most of the desal projects that have been in the public eye and that I've seen any kind of value proposed to it, I still believe this project brings the best value to all of the consumers of the water that would come out of it. I haven't seen a proposal where the cost would be any better than the one you're seeing in this project. Now, we've been in support of the original plan where it had two separate plants potential plants, one on the La Quinta Channel, one on the Inner Harbor Channel. But ultimately, from what I've seen, the best way to get the value out of this is to have the most volume to spread the cost over. So again, the district has been in support of this project. I can tell you from speaking with our customers, municipal and industrial, they're in support of a drought-proof project, and we believe this is that project. So thank you all very much.
Thank you. Okay. If you could ask your question to the rest. Yes, thank you.
ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PROTEM AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M BOB PAULISON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COASTAL BEND INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, CORPUS CHRISTIE RESIDENT, I LIVE IN DISTRICT 4. My comments tonight relate actually to items 22 and 23 and support moving forward with the contract for the 60% design and the construction of the demonstration plant for the Inner Harbor desal project as recommended by staff. We've received relief in recent months from the rains, but we need to keep working toward a water supply system that reduces the vulnerability brought about by having surface water only being the source of our supply. Certainly, as has been said earlier today, reuse will play a part, groundwater will play a part, seawater desal will play a part. and of the options that we've been talking about for years now, it's the only drought-proof source. And the Inner Harbor offers the best option to produce affordable desal. I will admit to you that I had some cognitive dissonance between the conversation on the Harbor Island project and the Inner Harbor project when it came to cost, when it came to concern over quantity, things that were just waved away on Inner Harbor became items of intense focus for Inner Harbor. It's just unbelievable to me. Let's treat the projects, I think, with the same amount of skepticism and scrutiny. So the project, the Inner Harbor project, has all its permits. It has substantial funding. There are additional options available for grants or additional funding. It can be accomplished in an environmentally responsible way, and especially with the presentation that was made earlier with the CCDESOL partners and the monitoring program. Uh, and if necessary, uh, you can take a discharge out to the Gulf, um, regarding public support of the inner Harbor project. I will say that in addition to the members of the, uh, of Dolly's group, uh, in the last 10 months, we've had two polls that have been completed that show, uh, 60% of Corpus Christi voters, um, favor the inner Harbor project and support, uh, its completion. So with all of that, we should continue to move forward with the 60% design, the pilot, get to a guaranteed maximum price. And I ask that you accept staff's recommendation to approve items 22 and 23. We have got to move forward. The clock is ticking and it's just about to run out like it just did on me. And I thank you for the opportunity to provide comment.
Thank you.
Rachel Caballero, D1. And I flipped my head quickly, Councilman, because the thought of hearing someone say, I support my constituents and we're here for yet a third time and you're supporting a project that has shown vast, vast lack of support is comical. Statement of fact. I'm talking.
Yeah, Councilmember, I do believe that this project is first in the configuration that's being considered for this. There are other facilities that are using lagoons and harbors and other things, but the withdrawal and return of the brine in generally the same area in this kind of a thing, I'm pretty sure this is the first.
The first, hence experimental. In our neighbor's neighborhood. This is a language that I'm not sure why we're having such a hard time. Well, actually, it's just a few of you. which we hope to be rid of here soon. But we are not, we are 100% against this location. And for people to sit here and say like, oh, it's wordplay and disingenuous. And I didn't meet with certain individuals because they're lying. This is insanity, and we can talk about surveys, who got surveyed per this survey. Industry paid for that survey. It got sent to the same probably employees that work for industry because nobody in the community got it that I know of, and I talk to a lot of people. So you get the results that you pay for on those surveys. So it's a joke and laughable to, to use that as a credible source. Um, you, we keep hearing from the corrupt, whoever they are. Uh, well here, let me just tell you real quick. Um, let's see. You got Landlord Resources, David Loeb, who decided to donate $25,000. Victory Contractors, who is a huge construction company for our city, who donated $25,000. And it's the same group of people. CCISD school board member, Trolley, or whatever, Gonzalez, well, okay, $70,000. They're getting paid to sit here and advocate, yet they make fun of these young kids here that... are fighting against this like this is this is crazy to me and it's it's this has been in the works for 10 years okay so then why are we just hearing about phase two going out into the gulf why are we just hearing about the alleged support of hillcrest which we now know is a lie and now needing to work they need to work oh well now we're going to need to work with the p3 that's going to do barney davis this has never been set in stone thank you
Christina McKay, District 1. Recently, Councilperson Vaughn said that DeSalle is for industry and anyone who says anything different is not telling the truth. She's right. We don't need DeSalle at all, really. Industry. who provides less than 4% of our jobs, who gets special deals to avoid paying taxes, and who sues us again to lower their water rates. That industry is who needs desal. That point was made earlier when an industry surrogate said that the Hillcrest location emerged because of its proximity to need. Industry. Now we're going to pipe out to the Gulf. I hope that we're all asking ourselves why we're suddenly so willing to do something that was previously so impossible. Personally, I don't think that they plan to build a pipeline at all. I believe that they're hopeful a future council will not follow through with that portion of the project. They're manipulating you. Even if they did build a pipeline that only exacerbates the issue of cost, which was a primary concern for many of the council members and for also much of the public. Piping the brine into the Gulf also does nothing to address the fact that we're putting this plant in the front yards of our neighbors in Hillcrest. I urge you all to vote today as though your mothers live in Hillcrest. These people are our neighbors. In Matthew 15, 20, Jesus says, if they persecute me, they'll persecute you. Anything we allow in the Hillcrest neighborhood will eventually find us at our homes as well. No tax bracket will keep you safe. The people of Hillcrest want to be allowed to exist They do not want a plaque placed on the tool of their demise. Disgusting. Vote no, pull the permits. I'd like to hold the remainder of my time in loving memory of Rochelle Payne, who was loved deeply by her community and who left the world a better place than she found it.
Thank you. Thank you.
I'll make it quick. Eli McKay, and I live in the historic north side district one. I wish that I could count how many times I've been up here to speak about this issue. But I have lost track. It's so many. And my hope is today that it is the last time that I will speak against this flood project. I also hope that not everyone in this room has experienced a breakup with a toxic partner. But I have to say that the presentation you all just received reminded me of breaking up with a narcissist. Think of it. We spent the last 10 years enduring the cycles of abuse, researching and educating ourselves as a community with facts just to be gaslit at every turn into believing that we are wrong for wanting to protect our neighbors and our bay. We know the data on water use. The community understands the need for water isn't coming from inside of the house. It is coming from our so-called neighbors insatiable thirst for money. This prompted slide 10, which was utter manipulation to try to make us think that we, the people pay a small portion of this project, but actually that small portion directly correlates with the amount of water that we use. And now the unsolicited recommendation, the worst part of the breakup is when the narcissist knows they have lost control. That nothing that they can say or do will make their lies become truth. That's when the big promises come out. That's when they say they promise they'll change. They promise they'll get help. They promise they'll never hurt you again. That they have a second phase of the project that will make it scalable, that they'll pipe it out to the Gulf, even though that's something that the community has recommended for a decade with no response. This is the part that should solidify your choice to leave this toxic relationship. Let it go. And in today's context, vote no. This is the time when clarity comes and you see past the manipulation and gaslighting that you have endured for years, that we have endured for years. Today is the day to end the focus on this train wreck project, move on full focused to the reuse projects, the floating solar projects, green stormwater practices, shoring up our infrastructure, and other forward-thinking water projects that are worth spending money on. Please vote no. And Hillcrest doesn't need their name on a desal plant. They need a community center. They need walking trails. They need bike trails. They need their community back.
Thank you.
What up, Council? It's Laramie from District 2. We are here almost a year to the day that the contract with Kiewit was terminated, which was left out of the presentation on the Inner Harbor timeline. Nothing's changed except the price, because to do it the way that's correct, it's $4 billion, which is just like we're throwing good money after bad at this point. There is no independent far-field modeling, which the majority of you stated was necessary to make an informed decision. And I'm just here to say that I'm opposed to inter-harbor desalination as I am opposed to desalination in any form, because it is unnecessary. And I say that it's unnecessary because we're asking the wrong question. And it is always, how do we get more water, not why do we need more water? Because the majority of our water goes to industry with or without drought. We know this. No one denies it. Industry exacerbates the climate crisis, which worsens our situation. They just gave a presentation in which they acknowledged that drought is persistent, ongoing, and worsening, which is a direct result of climate change. What drives climate change? And who drives climate change? And I hear a lot of talk about fairness and wanting to treat customer classes the same. And that's inherently unfair because industry uses 60% to 80% of the water. The numbers aren't super clear, which is frustrating. They make their product, they get billions in profits which goes to their shareholders who don't live here and the residents pay for it in ways that aren't just economic because we're the ones that deal with cancer and asthma and infant mortality, kids that move away and don't want to come back to their families, neighborhoods that are destroyed, water we can't drink. So I hope the community outpouring has proven to you that it's unjust and it's unbearable because the only people that have spoken in favor of desalination are ones with direct ties to industry And the only council members that have voted consistently in favor of Inner Harbor are those that have received donations from industry packs. And that's enough information for me to know who this water is for. Desalination in any form in any location is for industry full stop. And it will only further industry build out and environmental degradation and decline in quality of life for our residents. So I challenge you all to find the courage and the imagination to make a decision today to decide that things do not have to be this way. A better world is possible and we can build it together. We can invest in other industries, attract other kinds of businesses, invest in our people and our communities. We can invest in alternative energy, alternative water projects, and all of these things require workers and create jobs. Because we can create an opportunity to increase our quality of life. We can sponsor our own festivals, our own ball games, our own art walks. We do not need industry. We do not have to bend to their will. And we can't afford to attract more high volume water users to our areas. And that's what desalination will do. And it's going to put us right back here in the same situation. Because there's not enough water that can be produced to satisfy their desires. We've had enough.
Okay. Are you speaking on these items?
Yes, on this one I asked earlier. It was on ethics and corruption earlier. Okay. Julian Hernandez, D3. Here's some numbers. Population for the last 10 years, Corpus Christi, negative 0.2. San Antonio, positive 7.9% increase. Waco, 6.7% increase. I heard somebody say Castorville, 11.7% increase. Last 10 years. Then, so I look for the, you know, why? What do we have that they don't? Or what do they have that we don't? Refineries. It was said that we don't wanna be like, you know, those other places where it's all refineries. So here's my soliloquy, as some people might say in the council. I had to look up that word, sir, thank you. I learned something today. So here's my soliloquy, and it's more on the lighter note. I've heard of the far-field model. So my soliloquy goes like this. If this was the inner harbor and that doorway over there was where the desal plant was at, and we put a poop machine right there. And as we walked in and out for year one, year two, and the poop machine is still dropping poop there, what would it do to this area? Would it somehow dissipate as we're walking in and out, as the ships do? Or would it stay there, and would this place, that hallway, That little corridor there, would it stink up? Is that not the same thing? I mean, help me out here. I'm not a highly educated guy like some people here talking soliloquies and what not. But I think that's pretty right on the level of a far-field model, isn't it, what we're looking for? So as far as if it's going to damage the bay, yeah, I would think so, just like a poop machine would damage this area, the middle area, and the hallway over there. So that's my soliloquy. They answered about the 90 decibels or the 85 decibels or a lot more. And we heard how good neighbors we are for the well people. That's it. Thank you.
Thank you.
Chloe Torres, District 2. My comment today is also dedicated to Rochelle Payne, yet another one of our community members who was taken from us much too early from cancer. I have lost four mentors in three years to cancer. I got dressed today with her in mind because she encouraged us to add color to anything and everything and moved all of us to embrace our boldness, not just through our creative expression, but in all aspects of our lives. She was extraordinary for so many reasons, but in particular, it was her commitment to create even amidst turmoil and destruction, both personal and communal. So we love you, Rochelle, and I promise we'll keep creating. Yes, I am once again asking you to vote no on the environmentally racist, false corporate solution known as Inner Harbor desal. But I want to try a new approach. partly inspired by my love for Rochelle and my desire to carry her legacy forward. I want you to vote no if you believe, like I believe, that where life is precious, life is precious. And what I mean by that is that if we believe that life is precious, then we should do everything in our power. And you all on the dais do, in fact, have power that is inaccessible to a lot of us. then we have to make that so. While I sincerely sympathize with y'all on how much pressure you've been under regarding this issue, I implore you to try and empathize with those who have been feeling the existential pressure this issue poses, especially those in the Hillcrest neighborhood. This decision may cost you an election, But for them, this decision will cost them their generational homes. If you believe that the lives of those in Hillcrest are precious, then your own values demand that you vote no. In closing, I'd also like to offer a different perspective on how we can view a no vote. We may be saying no, but what are we saying no to? We're saying no to the destruction of a neighborhood. We're saying no to the desecration of sacred waterways. And we're saying no to corporate rule that squeezes working people until we have nothing left. However, by saying no to all of these things, we're opening ourselves up to saying yes to so many other positive changes. Although we've been malaligned as the anti-anything crowd, anyone who has been listening to us in good faith knows that we're called this because we refuse to be ashamed of our steadfast commitment to demanding true investment in our people. What could we do with $4 billion instead? We could have anti-violence and mentoring programs for our youth, grocery delivery and subsidized community clinics for our elderly, publicly run and subsidized general stores that would be a huge help to families and individuals who are feeling the strain of an economy not built in our best interests. The possibilities are actually beautiful and endless when we think about all the ways we can shape our city in our image and service of those who make this city what it is, who truly make it run, not those who are currently running it into the ground.
Thank you. OK. With that, we'll close.
Andrea Puyol, District 2. Man, Chloe's really got me, so I'm trying to recenter, because I was going to kind of make y'all hot. But really, first of all, are y'all going to trust him? He just lied to y'all's face about... Being cool with being called the Hillcrest plant or whatever for the for the desal plant like He literally just lied to y'all with Hillcrest people in the room and he didn't care. That's insane. That's actual insane behavior Anyways, like Mark pointed out this presentation kind of made no sense had a lot of inconsistencies and The cheapest option to deliver a maximum of 80 MGDs, which I know some of you are drooling over, is $3.6 billion? How the hell did we get there? And then just looking back at the discharge, 50 million gallons a day. A day. And y'all think the Bay's just going to be fine? It's not. Our common enemy is industry, because this is what this plant is for. It is for industry to provide them with as much as they want, because some of y'all just love to pander to them for obvious financial campaign reasons. So yeah, and for what? So they can keep producing things that we don't need, like endless plastics, chemicals, jet fuel for Israel to bomb innocent Palestinians, and now we wanna partner with them for water solutions? No. And that's all while corporations like Valero and Chevron profit off of atrocities happening in the world. And what do working class people have to show for it? A city that's running out of water, climate disasters exacerbated by pollution, and health issues like cancer, respiratory diseases, The list goes on. Industrial expansion, which is the whole point of this plant, does not actually equal economic growth or prosperity or abundance or whatever fluffy word you want to add to it. Imagine a Corpus Christi that actually invested in the people, our schools, parks, hospitals, beaches, libraries, senior programs, people waiting for affordable housing, our houseless neighbors, a city where people actually feel prioritized and taken care of and not abandoned by city leadership. You say that demand continues to grow, but it doesn't have to. And the price tag of this false solution and the demand of water is only like one of the many problems with this plant. Of course, the biggest one is the location of it. It's in the Hillcrest neighborhood. They said they don't want it. That should be a full stop right there. We should listen to the people that will be directly impacted by this plant being built. With my 20 seconds, I hope I can... tell this little story. I had the very fortunate honor of being driven around Hillcrest by Lamont Taylor and you know being shown like what used to be houses in the neighborhood and how beautiful that neighborhood once was and how fruit trees flourished and plants flourished and we were passing by a house at the end of our little drive and I saw some rose bushes outside and they still had roses on them and I just thought that was really beautiful and gave me some hope because the roses there deserve to bloom. The Hillcrest neighborhood deserves to bloom. Vote no on Inner Harbor.
I think so we can only speak on one on the item once through the day. But thank you. All right. Thank you. I'm sorry. Okay, is this our last commenter? Good evening.
Hello. Amanda Breeland, Corpus Christi. I don't know how I'm going to follow those two comments, Chloe and Andrea, but I'll try to keep it short. I feel like y'all should be offended, the fact that y'all are presented these options, especially at the cost. The cost is insane. Billions of dollars. Billions of dollars. And we balked at a billion. There's nothing I'm going to say that hasn't already been said, but enough is enough. Kill this already. It's dead. It's dead. I was arrested almost a year ago at the same meeting where it was killed the first time. okay and I will commend y'all there's a much calmer atmosphere this time I would say but I mean it the fact that again like Andrea mentioned you were lied to to your face the fact that like a war criminal is here and doesn't support the Inner Harbor either and thinks it's a bad plan, like in and of itself. So yeah, don't be cowards. Kill this plant. Free Palestine.
Thank you.
James Perkins, District 2. I'll wait for... All right, cool. Yeah, vote no on this, obviously, right? Because I told you all we'd be back here again, and I think Buddy over here is glad we ain't going until 2 a.m., 3 a.m., 4 a.m. again. But, you know, it's still late, and a lot of us still got to work in the morning. Yeah, as previous commenters pointed out, even the Israelis are like, yeah, don't do it in a closed bay system over here. It's a bad idea. They told you all right now before the presentation went up. remember hearing about that um the again people giving y'all the presentation telling y'all yes hillcrest wants to be at least remembered for this you have hillcrest residents before they went up who said to y'all's face no we don't want it here and hillcrest residents come up after and say yeah we don't want it here it is clear whoever they talked to was not part of the hillcrest residents association the group who has been are trying to defend their homes their generational homes for how many years now you know and i know y'all don't want to sell y'all's houses so that y'all can put a diesel plant over there i know y'all don't want to do that so why are we making anybody else do it people who have lived their entire lives you know mothers grandmothers grandchildren i know what that's like my family's own their home for a good decent chunk of time and it's right over here off of liban and shoot, if industry is coming for Hillcrest, industry will come for Lipan. And my family will be going through the same thing we're putting these families through. And it's not right morally. It's not right ethically. I get y'all think this is going to be some kind of big economic boom. But every time they say the industry's growing, the industry's growing. And then the industry's got laid off. And then these guys are working double, triple shifts, you know, back to back swing shifts. And they're saying how they're understaffed, but they're not hiring anybody and they're letting more people go. And that doesn't sound like an economic boom to me. And I'm not getting a paycheck from these industry folks. So I don't know who's making the money off these guys moving in. You know, it's kind of ridiculous to even think that, yeah, we put this desal plant in. Okay, we're filling up the cup that we sold off before we put the desal plant in. We sold over and over selling our water is the other thing. All right, we don't know who Robstown promised how much to. We don't know who the other customers we sell water to promised how much water to. So we're trying to play catch up to a number we don't have definitively. Y'all plan on playing catch up this entire time or we can actually, you know, make some decisions, take Corpus Christi in a different direction, play offensive a little bit. Why are we relying on the industry for the city to grow? We can grow in any way we want and we're relying on oil and gas, a finite resource. What are y'all going to do when we run out of all of it? Nothing. These smokestacks are going to be a blight in our eye, a blight in the sparkling city by the sea, which won't sparkle no more if we keep dumping brine back into it. Vote no. Kill this damn thing. We've been here for a year.
Thank you. Okay, anyone else? All right. I think that's everyone. We'll close public comment.
Close it, close it, close it.
Councilman can to you were up first so first of all I Want to clear something up. I know Dan for over ten years. He's a good man He really is and maybe there's a misunderstanding But I do know he didn't meet with somebody from here crest whatever happened in the conversation. I have no idea but He's a good guy he's not coming up here to lie just for no reason he was told something and I don't know what happened so That's that You know, Saturday, we went to Portland and had a good time at a venue out there. And we went to Denny's, and I was on Facebook or Instagram. And I started seeing all these ads about me, Carolyn, all these ads that were paid for by the Coastal Bend Coalition, which they are here today, who wants us to vote yes. And you would think that they would do that after the vote. So I don't know who's advising them. But I do have a statement I'm going to read. And this is not towards city staff. This is not towards you, Dan, or your team, or you, Nick. It's towards the Coastal Bend Coalition. It's towards the people that paid their money to go after council members for their seats, to buy seats. And so I'm gonna read the statement. I worked on this for a couple of days. Didn't really know what to say and how to say it, but this is me. Let me make something very clear before I cast the vote. I represent the people because I am one of the people. I don't forget where I came from and who put me here. I don't work for special interests. I don't work for big industry. And I don't work for the people writing big checks, trying to decide who sits in these seats. I'm standing with the mother trying to pay her water bill. I'm standing with the senior counting every single dollar. I'm standing with the small business owner trying to survive. And I'm standing with the working people of the city who bust their asses every single day just to try to make it. We're in this fight together. And once again, the people are being told to carry the bill while industry stands to make the money. I'm not going to going along with it. And now we're watching big money being spent trying to change who sits in these seats. Maybe instead of spending all that money trying to get rid of the people asking tough questions, that money should have gone toward helping fix our water problems. But here's what they don't understand. We're not backing down. Spend the money, run the ads, come out through my seat. You can spend whatever you want, but you would never scare me, control me or buy my vote because I'm not standing up here alone. I'm standing with the people and the people are standing with me. This is our city, this is our water, this is our money, and this is our fight. I'm not for sale, I'm not backing down, and I'm not getting on my knees for anybody. I'd rather die on my feet standing with the people than live on my knees answering to special interests. So bring the money, bring the tax, bring all of it. We're still standing and we're still finding, and my vote is still no. Unbought, unbossed, and unafraid. So, Coastal Bend Coalition, bring it. I'm ready.
Councilman Hernandez. Councilman Hernandez.
OK, thank you. And I want to start off by saying that, you know, I don't want to villainize industry there. They they are here. They have invested in our community for a long time. I understand that some people don't see them as as part of our community, but that's not there's never been my reason for voting against this. Okay, I've always been against it in terms of the cost associated with it where it's located and the limitation that the environment presents or possesses to the production of water in this location Okay, and I appreciate the effort to try to build a pipeline out to the Gulf of America and I did that on purpose. How about Gulf of Mexican-American, how's that? But it's still, that's an additional $540 million attached to it. We have a gap between $757 million and $978 million. We don't know where we're going to get that money from, much less the $540 million. And then I've always harped on debt. We chose to go with a combination of different water sources from groundwater and wastewater reuse, which I think wastewater reuse is drought-proof in a lot of ways. But we chose that because there was more water at a lower cost. When you're looking at 60 to 70 million gallons a day at a billion dollars, instead of $8, it's $4 per thousand gallons. Okay, so the choice was just math, right? It wasn't because we were against desal or anything like that or against industry. It was just a different choice of which water to get. Now, I understand that there's a lot of passion behind this particular project. For me, it's not about passion, it's about cost. OKAY. I THINK MR. PAULSON HAD SAID, BOB PAULSON HAD MENTIONED ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE COST ON HARBOR ISLAND. I THINK MY QUESTIONS WERE EXACTLY THE SAME ABOUT COST AND HOW AFFORDABLE IT IS AND IT'S A STRATEGY OF DIVERSIFICATION. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR COSTS ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THEM ALL YET. BUT IF IT'S MORE THAN $8, I'M NOT GOING TO BE NECESSARILY A FAN OF THAT EITHER. OKAY. I AM STILL VERY MUCH A FAN OF A P3 PROJECT WHERE WE SHIFT THE RISK OVER TO THE COMPANY TO PRODUCE IT, AND I'M NOT A FAN OF WHERE THE DISCHARGE IS, RIGHT? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF DISCHARGE INTO THE GULF OF MEXICAN AMERICAN. HOW'S THAT? THE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO BE APPROVING THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, FOR THE SAME REASONS. NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED. WE DON'T HAVE A Contracts with our large volume water users. We don't you know The cost is still the same I think there's other options that I've kind of discussed with some folks that Are better and more cost-efficient and then can help include with some other with some of the same folks. I I want to say that I am for water. I'm not against seawater desal. I just don't like this particular project. And I've been consistent with this since 2020. Consistent since 2020. So I, you know, There's nothing against Acciona or Ardura or Mastec. I think you guys are fine companies. I've been friends with Dan for a long, long time. He's done more for the city than most people have. and his company before L&D, you know, they did a lot of work for our wastewater treatment facilities. He's instrumental in our wastewater reuse project and work at Owen Stevens. So I mean, to say that, you know, he's contributed to the city is an understatement. So I want to make sure that, you know, I don't know what the conversation was with some of the Hillcrest folks. I know they still don't want it there. I had that conversation with him beforehand. He knows that they don't want it there. This is not easy, right? We get beat to hell, every one of us. Even Roland gets beat to hell. He deserves it, but that's okay. This is not the end all be all, but this is the wrong project for this location. I don't think we should be discharging into the bay. Thank you.
Councilwoman Vaughn. Well, you know, this makes me really sad to watch what's going on here today, some of the comments that have been made. Someone just texted me and said, you know, it makes you almost want to give up hope on your city. And I kind of feel the same way because we've lost civility. We've lost respect. We've lost the ability to agree to disagree without getting mad because someone didn't agree with you. I've got news for y'all. I understand how you feel. You don't want it. I don't think you'll ever want any decel. I want decel. I want DeSalle, but I want it in the right place, I want it to be safe for our bay, for our environment, and I want the cost to be good, and I want it discharged in the ocean. But to come up here and discredit him is terrible. He never said Hillcrest agreed to it. A couple of you came up, he did not say that. He did not say that. He did not. I'm not gonna argue with you, he didn't say it. He reached out to y'all in good faith because he wanted to hear your opinions. He did not have to do this. He has been working on this for months. He didn't have to give you the courtesy. And Reverend, I know you know it. And I know you wouldn't come up here and say anything to discredit him. So he didn't. So shame on y'all for doing that. I'm sorry. There comes to a point, y'all can get mad if you want to. I don't care. You know who I am. I'm going to say exactly what I think. I'm not up here to ask for your votes. Hope I get elected. If I don't, I don't. I'm okay. He was trying to resolve a problem, and this is what happened. It's just a shame. I want to diversify our water, and I think we've tried to do that. And I will say this about Dolly Charlie. I don't agree with anything. I don't agree with her other than we want DeSalle. But we don't need to discredit and be ugly to her either in that group. I am not for the group. I think what they've done is out of greed, and I think that they are attacking council members. They have a slate. They're doing it because they're losing power. They've had it for years, for decades, and they're losing their power, and they're afraid, and they're scared, and they wanna keep it. You got contractors that are paying to push this narrative. Shame on them when they are biting the hand that feeds them. Shame on them. From a business standpoint, I'm concerned about the money, because I don't know where it's all gonna come from. Dan, you and I have talked about that. I think the state, the federal, and industry and Corpus Christi should all collaborate together, I do, and try and figure something out for the money. The residents don't benefit from the desal. It would benefit from a water treatment plant, but the city can build that. From industry, I see their point. They're probably thinking, why should we build and pay for it? We have reuse. I get that. They have to answer to their shareholders, and 30 MGD isn't enough for industry. And I do believe this water's for industry. Our children and grandchildren will pay for generations to come no matter what plan it is. And the longer we wait, the more it's gonna cost. Dan, the fisherman, sent me something yesterday and I hadn't thought about it. He said, ships from all over the world travel to the port. They're dumping the water from their harbors into ours. What foreign invasive plants and fish now live in it? What chemicals are in it? Think about it. Dump the brine and chemicals back into it and do it all over again. Then we're going to sell that water for us to drink and maybe kill the bay by putting a desal plant in the dirtiest water that we already have. So that's a concern. A flag to me was when IDE said they didn't bid on the project because they'd never done one in an inner harbor and it didn't fit their model and they want the water moving. That makes sense to me that the water needs to keep moving. With the Port of Corpus Christi there and all the ships coming in, that's a big concern. It really is. But we have got to come together and decide on something. We have to have a desale plan. I don't care what it is, but we need to make a decision today on this one. If it's not going to be this one, then this city council needs to come up with a plan for what it is and get moving and quit kicking the can down the road. Thank you.
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. I'm going to disagree with Councilman Cantu about the hate and all that coming after certain council members. I felt, for me, it's been love because I have stood from the beginning how I ran and what I stood for, and the people have been here to represent that. So thank you. Thank you so much for coming. you know, for every meeting, day after day, staying till all hours of the night, and doing your homework. I mean, I really appreciate you all. I mean, you're just amazing. I also want to thank Carolyn. Carolyn said, you know, She says, it's going to take a long time. She was here earlier. And I said, Carolyn, it's probably going to be way late. So I texted her, I don't know, four hours ago, telling her. And so she's still here. And I just want to read also, she did her homework, like I just said. And these are the technologies that don't use as much water. Information technology and software development, financial services and banking, education and research.
e-commerce and digital retail professional services legal consulting accounting certain manufacturing sectors and digital media and entertainment as a matter of fact this Friday we're going to be celebrating the music and film industry that's another that we can embrace and we can celebrate. I'm also talking to Gil about doing busking so that we can allow more musicians to actually maybe get a few bucks because Corpus Christi has a great music program at Del Mar and at the university. So there are other things that we can do besides industry. And I'm gonna say this too as well. This may offend some of my supporters but You know, industry, I've grown up with it. I mentioned to you that my sister, Anna, who died a few years ago, worked at Sitco. She was one of the first female operators. She actually ended up having a benzene accident. And you know what? Most people would have sued the heck out of it. But you know what she wanted to do? She wanted to stay working at Sitco. And so that was one of the requirements. She was like, okay, I won't sue, but I want to be able to have a guaranteed job. Sadly, she did, I mean, she did stay and I think it was healthy for her. But again, I also want to stand up for Dan because I know he was trying to, like I told him, I said, it's almost like you're the second spouse, you know, it's like, You've learned your mistakes and you're going to tell me, no, I don't look fat in those jeans, you know. So he's he learned and he was trying to to do the best he could with what he had. And he's not here to listen. But I want him to know that I appreciated his approach. He has a, you know, very soft demeanor. I appreciate that. But again, And of course, I don't even have to say it right that I'm not gonna be supporting it But I I also want to make sure that we do pull those permits because I don't want people behind me behind us Coming back again and doing this. I mean, how long do we have to keep doing this that enough is enough?
So let's take a vote councilman Barrera Well, I've been consistent for the last eight years and I I'm pretty predictable and you know I'm gonna read something that a friend of mine I call him a friend now it wasn't a friend eight years ago but I guess the thing is is like I pray Sylvia for her consistency and I say with the exception of industry but we're pretty much aligned for the most part until we serve together we probably were on a lot of the same teams but this was in June 24 of June 24 2024 I've been called an idiot. I've been called a crook. I've been called an industry shrill. I've been called one that doesn't care about the community. And I've been told that I forget where I came from and I don't represent the working man. And I could tell you that of the individuals that have elected me for the last four times, and they talk to me frequently, they don't feel that way. They feel that I represent them. My father, was born on the very spot we're all sitting right now. He was actually born here. We used to say that there was a neighborhood here and he was born in a house in August 3rd, 1925. And then they cleared the space for progress and they built a Sears and we joke around that my father was born at Sears. And then we're right now across town when you're Coming when you're coming from exiting downtown and you take that loop and you're going to Crosstown, that's that's the home where my father lived. My grandfather constructed was part of the construction team for the Sacred Heart Church that was there. I went to school there. I went to school there. So I proudly remember that. I say that I played basketball with Lamont's son and his daughter. She was tall, you know, taller than me anyway. And so I haven't forgot that. And as I said, I had several family members that worked in industry. And I think it's an important part of the community. And I said during that small documentary with A Perfect Union, We have to decide are we an industrial not because we've been a manufacturing community for 70 years And we've had and and we've had them consume That water for the last 70 years now great it now We've expanded as to where about 40% of our water goes to our wholesalers which includes San Patricio County I I think that Some of the things that we should recognize is that where Gulf Coast Growth Ventures is in San Pat County, the teachers in Gregory Portland make more than 10% of what the teachers do here because of what they've added to the tech space. So schools aren't included in IDAs. Schools aren't included in IDAs. They've been good partners. They fund a lot of the scholarship programs that we have here for the Buck Commission. I think it's irresponsible just to say it's corporate greed when we manufacture 17% of the ibuprofen for the country. We reduce the dependency on Russian coal and foreign oil. We manufacture the plastic that goes in artificial heart valves. You know, what is it? The demand is there and there's a market for it. Corpus Christi has a global imprint. And, you know, so I know this is obviously where it's going to go. But I think to vilify and criticize and, you know, and the statement that I made about being in industry, whatever, it was actually I was actually repeating it with somebody else said about me. And, you know, I don't mind if somebody wants to pick on me, you know, then that just tells me that I'm right. Because if you're going to have to call me corrupt, if you're going to have to say that I've sold out, then you can't argue your point. The other thing that I want to say is that, you know, in my opinion, from my experience from and with all due respect to ID, I know, you know, you've got to work things out. You want to try. You see this opportunity. I used to get called back before it rained at least once a week by somebody that had an idea. And I think I think. 10 MGD, 20 MGD, 30 MGD didn't work out for their business model. It has to be of a grand scale because they have to use private equity to be able to finance this. And the smaller the project, and that's why I'm against P3s, because there has to be some relevance of profit. And so the municipality provides the lowest cost. And just to put it in perspective, we've already spent $85 million on a project that has no permits. And what's the interest rate going to be on those bonds that we're going to sell, those revenue bonds?
Four.
Probably about 4.5%. 4.5%. So it's going to be greater than the cost of this. And I've said, people have said, why do you support this project? And just like I said before, it's the one that's fully permitted. It's been vetted. There's been numerous studies. It's by the demand center. It has electricity. And what is it? The distribution system is already there. And thank you, Dan. And thank you, you and your team. Appreciate all the hard work.
Councilman Scott.
Dan, thank you. Thank you for your hard work. Thank you to your team. What I heard was, anyhow, it doesn't matter. You've heard it. Thank you. You know, I think the world of you. We haven't agreed on a lot of things, some things over the years, but I think the world of you and I think the work you did here was excellent. I support the project. I... And if that costs me an election, then, Reverend, I'm doing what's in my heart. I feel okay with this vote. I feel okay with it. I can sleep tonight. Now, maybe part of it is because it's probably going to lose anyhow. But a couple thoughts. One is if you think if cost is a big deal, get ready. Wait until Harbor Island comes around in December and January. That's going to be an eye-opener. I think we spend a lot of time on shiny projects. I think that could be one of those. I would ask this council and anyone that's listening, you've got to own the water. Whatever project you decide, you need to own it. You can hire somebody to design it. You can hire somebody to build it. You can hire someone to operate it, but you need to retain ownership, and I think that's going to be important going down the road. You've heard enough from me. I just want to say this I think I think we are We are dangerously close to defaulting or defeating The Texas water development boards and I think that gets lost in a lot of this and that's going to be a painful experience if the state of Texas calls our notes do I wasn't on the council when we made that loan and But I understand how it works. I've had conversations with people. I believe that the state is very close to my words, declaring our loans with them in default. And that's going to have catastrophic, catastrophic effects on our future ability to borrow money and spend money. That's all I have. Just want to get that out there. Thank you, Madam Pro Tem. I move for approval.
OK, there's a motion in a second Council. Will you please cast your vote? It is. It's an ordinance to award. OK, the motion fails. Mr Zanoni. I KNOW WE HAVE A SHORT DEADLINE FOR ITEMS TO BE ADDED TO THE 8TH. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 24 TO THE 8TH. BUT BEFORE THAT, PERHAPS YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE. My concern is the amount of energy and time and effort this project continues to have on our staff. I've lost count. I don't know how many times it's been voted down. Very appreciative to Mr. Leyendecker and his team. I think you won hands down. Everybody really appreciates you and your effort here. But to speak to the continued work behind, what do we need to do to not do that?
Well, I think this, I think, well, tonight's vote wasn't a no on the project. It was, you didn't vote don't do it. You voted to, there was a motion to approve it and that was denied. So, but having said that, there's no more work to be done at this point. I don't think, I think Corpus Christi D cell partners is who has been doing work free since last October. Yes, it's probably done doing free work at this point. Yeah, I can speak with them.
And we thank them for that.
Right. And the staff's we're not doing any more work on it. So what we will do is work with them. There was a list that Nick had on this slide, but we're going to we'll work with those agencies to inform them. this project is not going forward based on tonight's vote so a little bit of work has to be done with the texas water development board uh just making sure tceq is aware of the vote tonight um nick i don't know if there's anybody else but yeah the water development board is going to be the biggest coincidentally tomorrow and the next day we'll be meeting with rating agencies because we have to issue about 300 million in debt for our water water portfolio And so we'll be talking to them tomorrow, but we'll also talk to the Water Development Board.
So Mr. Ginoni, on the Water Development Board question, I believe Councilwoman Vaughn has some good suggestions. Perhaps we can circle back after this meeting.
Right.
What is the issue that this ordinance was awarding to a particular project, to a particular vendor, not the project?
The money was awarded to a particular project.
How many times did they write that letter to us? Four.
There were four letters from the Water Development Board that says that these funds were specifically for this project.
Okay, so we have to shift our focus to still try to lobby to have those, to do that work on those.
Yeah, we'll see what they say next.
Okay. So real quick before we go to Ms. Campos.
so that means 23 is also handled under 22. right yeah we don't need 23 so we'll cancel 23. okay yeah and we're going to move for the agenda we're going to move 24 to next week thank you okay so the only the last item on the agenda is 25.
Again, I have to thank you one more time, Mr. Leyendecker, truly. And I think what we heard from one side to the other of this dais, from front to back, is this entire community has felt the sting of criticism. It saddens me. I hope that soon we can all move away from that. It doesn't benefit anyone. And I'm sorry for everyone's experience and how they've been impacted by it. But thank you very much for your contributions tonight. Councilwoman Campos. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.
Okay, Peter, how do we, again, I think Mayor Potem mentioned, how do we make sure that we no longer bring Inner Harbor back into the dais? Why are, I mean, do we need to make a motion and just say?
Well, so Councilwoman, just to remind us, this was actually the council that brought this back, right? There was a, I guess a couple months ago it was tabled and the council said bring it back on this date. So we didn't, we hadn't planned on bringing anything, nor is there any plan to bring any other boat on this.
Okay. So we don't need another motion just to say don't bring it back. Okay.
No, we don't.
All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. With that, we'll move to our final item of the evening, which is item 25. And it's a ratification of the City Council ordinance disapproving the program expenditure and funding under the termination settlement and release agreement between the Corpus Christi B Corporation and Elevate QOF LLC, adjusting type B budget to withdraw funds from the terminated program for the Homewood Suite incentives directing the city manager and city staff not to make or facilitate payment.
Okay, and Mayor Pro Tem Buck is going to just do a quick couple of statements here.
So this is ratifying the emergency ordinance that council passed last week and the real, I guess the intention.
Okay, thank you.
So this is just an ordinance ratifying the emergency ordinance that City Council passed last week. The primary purpose of the ratification ordinance is to provide the public an opportunity to chime in on this item.
Okay, thank you, Buck. Councilman Hernandez?
I make a motion to approve the ratification.
Second.
We have a motion and a second. Do we have any public comment on item 25? Okay, seeing none, we'll close public comment.
Mayor Pro Tem, this will be next week's agenda as well as a second reading for next week as well. Okay, thank you very much. We'll do a two reading ordinance on it.
and for the record mr roy abstains thank you miss huerta seeing no further business this meeting is adjourned thank you everyone
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