City Council - Regular Meeting
The City Council discussed a petition for the removal of Mayor Paulette Guajardo, ultimately voting to move forward with setting an agenda item for preliminary and procedural matters for a removal hearing. The council also received updates on the city’s water supply projects, including surface water, groundwater, and desalination efforts.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- City Council
- Meeting Type
- City Council
- Location
- Corpus Christi, TX
- Meeting Date
- March 24, 2026
Transcript
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It should should be in our best interest not to put all that risk on our rate payers. This is a this is a good thing. Mhmm.
And I'll leave that at that.
So my comment is the first time we brought this and this time we bring this, we we brought this in a spirit of let's sit down and work through this and try to come up with a working document that we could all agree to and send over to the Port Of Corpus Christi to see if we could get their support for it. But we're we have not been provided an opportunity to do that. All we've been provided is, no, you can't do this. We don't wanna talk about this. We don't wanna have any collaboration with the port.
So I'm gonna say to the listening public out here, this is an opportunity that we're missing. This is an opportunity for us to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars with the Port Of Corpus Christi helping us pay for this, and we're gonna sit here today and vote against having that opportunity. We're gonna vote against voting for because I know what the outcome's gonna be, because the mayor's been talking to everybody in Corpus Christi about this since she found out about it. But this is gonna be an opportunity that this city council is going to once again pass up for us to be able to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars. K.
Thank you. One last comment.
No. No. I'm we're we're gonna you've I've only spoken once. Okay. So we're gonna go and call the vote. Rebecca, take a roll call, please. We're we're calling a vote. Please. Take a roll call.
We we still have questions here. I mean, they don't talk to the port. That we don't hear things from
them as well. Vote on this and move forward. You guys put it on, we're voting. Fine. Rebecca, please take a roll call.
Okay. So just it's a motion to approve the MOU, right, that was attached to Second. The
agenda? Okay. We have a motion and a second. Rebecca?
Okay. So for a roll call vote, council member Hernandez.
Aye. Hunter.
After waiting for seven and a half years for desal and following five and a half years before that for any progress in desal in the city, I have to vote yes.
Okay. Pesley?
Oh, yes.
Yes. Okay. No problem. Roy?
Suckley?
Yes.
Barrera? No. Mayor Wajardo? No. Okay. The item fails. Great. Thank you.
4710 HACL. I come before you today because I'm really appalled that our city is being sued. It's being sued because of all the lack of process from this council. Our illustrious mayor is named 31 times in this lawsuit. Also, one of the things that really bothered me in looking at this lawsuit is that it says mayor Paulette Wajardo privately solicited a fellow councilman's vote during the public meeting in violation of Texas government code section five five one point zero two one and five five one point one four three.
You know, to me, you are the keepers of the process of Corpus Christi. Your job is not to run the city, it's to set up policy. I was also appalled that council member Barrera went on television and chaisteised the city manager, which would to me is a violation in itself for publicly reprimanding an employee in public on television. So it seems to me that this council people need to go back and review what their job is to set policy not to run the city. Set policy not to run the city.
So I am very appalled at this behavior. I'm grateful that the person filing the lawsuit is not asking for money from the taxpayers. He's making a request to get it straightened out in your process. It's a shame that we, the citizens, have to go through this extreme order to get things done by this council and especially the people who I've named. So have a great day.
You too miss Saldonia.
$2,000,000 has been appropriated to a company that is owned by your political donors, right? Objection,
form. Argument.
Yeah. An incentive has been appropriated for an economic development project. Of which they're owned of which the developer are my donors.
Okay. $2,000,000. And your city manager and your assistant city manager have testified that in their opinion, and I know you know they're not you you don't think they're qualified, but in their opinion it's a forgery. Right? You've seen that testimony. Yes. And you've seen the testimony where Peter, I know you think he's not qualified, but he says law was broken. Right? He said there was an appearance of the law. Okay. And so and then, of course, Ajeet came in front of you twice and made the accusation as well. Twice. Right? And showed you where the document where the federal FEMA website had been altered. He showed that to you. Right?
Yes.
And all of those things have happened, and you've told me that the only person that's qualified to investigate it and make a determination about whether or not there's been a crime is somebody in law enforcement, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. So, are you going to turn it over to law enforcement to be investigated? I no. Okay. That's all I have.
Thank you.
All right.
Anything from any other questions?
After I interviewed Philip, I did that same evening, I believe, have a conversation with the mayor on the phone, and councilman Pusley was there either the room or in a three way column. Not a 100% sure. But that was after the meeting with Philip. And so I explained to the mayor that Philip, who would be the only one that could explain what happened to this document, could not explain it. And so there was an obvious change in the document from the website to the PowerPoint.
And the only person well, there are probably two people that could have explained it. One was Mike Culberson and his team, and then the second one would be Philip Ramirez and his team. And I believe we had a conversation with Mike Culberson to rule him out and actually ask for a copy of his PowerPoint presentation and who created it. Did he create it or did Philip Ramirez create it? And Culberson said that the PowerPoint was created by Philip Ramirez, sent to Mike Culberson, who did nothing to change it, and just placed it into a template that had EDC heading on it.
That's why we ruled out Culberson as somebody that may be aware of or may may have changed the document and then started working with Philip Ramirez as the sole person that would know, should know what happened to the document.
And what you just told me is what you told the
mayor Correct.
In the phone call soon after the meeting with Philip. Correct. And it's the same information you also told to Councilman Pusley?
Correct. In that phone call that he was on. Okay.
Did you also let them know, Pusley and the mayor at the same time frame, same phone call, you were not satisfied with the explanation?
I did. Okay.
So at that point in time, then you are still communicating to both of them that this is something you cannot recommend?
That, yes, and that they should be concerned about it.
Yep.
Oh, definitely. Right. It was Alton. And then when you read the entire PowerPoint, the it's so it's so obvious that the the reader or the writer wanted one to be led to believe that the FEMA was just recent, even where it's like recently released and this and that. And part of it goes back to the narrative. Mike Culberson said, hey. You know, we can't this has to be tied to infrastructure. And so then they they catch the scheme that, okay. FEMA floodplain, that's infrastructure. You know, the the the the fixing the bottom floor so it meets the floodplain, and they stuck with it.
Got it.
And then they then they then they develop a narrative to fit it that they just found out because people would say, like, shit. They should have known about this long time ago.
After review of the presentations, deposition testimony, investigative materials, and applicable Texas and federal penal statutes, the PowerPoint slide at issue appears to have been intentionally altered to cover the dates that appear on the government website.
You agree that documents were altered? There's no doubt about that.
The the screenshot was definitely altered. Yes.
Did it look intentional? Can you, as a police officer I mean, you look at stuff like this. You can say
So it would be hard to argue that it was not.
Thank you.
Let let the city council know that there were there were some, you know, some improper information, some tampering, and all that involved also. You let them know?
I let them know. We're gonna let them know again tomorrow on executive session. I have I already have an executive session posted.
And then you go on. You said that, however, because the council wanted this on the agenda for them to consider, it's on. And so my question to you is when you are saying in that conversation with Achid that the council wanted it on the agenda, who are you referring to? Yeah.
I'm not for certain, but I know the mayor and I think possibly had were were were okay with the issue at hand of the of not having an explanation and wanted to proceed with having it on.
Both of them, you had informed them that there had been this altering or tampering or forging of a federal document, but they were still willing to support it. Right? Correct. I think what you're telling me is during that time frame you were not in the loop as to what the findings were for the investigation.
Correct.
And so therefore you had no knowledge that it was something illegal in the process that you were voting on?
Right. There was Okay. Okay.
It was apparent from reviewing all of the different depositions and statements that mister Ramirez was taking responsibility for the presentation of the altered item.
But the bottom line is that we are committed to the city's permitting process. We want to help you in any way we can if you choose to solicit our help. I know that the port worked very well with the city back during the days of the Mary Rose Pipeline. In fact, our our staffs who engineered and built the pipeline. So I think there's a lot we can offer the city with their desal plans if you want it. If not, we're here standing by hoping you get your permit wherever you want it. It's that simple.
I I don't there is no working together. Again, we're we we we are not going to the port and building docks. So we're unclear as to why the port is coming over this side to try to build desal with no customer.
And we're not trying to build desal. We're just going for a permit for the city to use if you so choose. That's all we're doing. Yeah. Just an alternative. I don't know how we can be more clear on that, mayor.
Chris, if you're doing it, buddy, I'm not hearing anything.
I'm sorry. It signed me out. Give me one sec.
And, Chris, the city secretary nameplates are looking a little funky too. Alright, Christopher. I'm listening.
Test test one two zero two.
I got you in the pipe. Five by five. Perfect.
K. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to call this meeting to order. Welcome to City Hall and to Council Chambers. This morning, our invocation will be led by pastor Greg Hood with Reach Ministries. Pastor.
Good morning, servants of God and of the people. It's good to see you. It's good to be back here. I was here a year ago about this time, Easter time. And so it's a good memory to be back with y'all at this time of year.
So let's, go to the one who created us, who sustains us, who has a future for us, through his son. Let's pray. Creator god, greatest servant of all, and your son who we see his walk on Earth was, one of service. His death was one of service. His resurrection, was one of service to take all who believe home with him one day, when our service is finished here.
Lord, help us to remember everybody in this room, not just our our staff and council, but us as citizens that we have a day to stand before the judge of the universe, give account for our service. May it be one that we can give joyfully and through our lord Jesus Christ that we're received, into the home beyond this beautiful city. And, Lord, I pray today in this meeting for those who are willing that truth versus deceit will win out. For those who are willing, humility versus arrogance will win out. For those who are willing, kindness versus meanness will win out.
And for those who are willing, servanthood versus dictatorship will win out. Thank you for our staff and our public servants. Lord, I pray, God, that you'll bless them this day and that there'll be profitability that'll honor you that comes from this meeting in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Thank you, pastor Hood. And now our pledge of allegiance to the flag of The United States and to the Texas state flag will be led by Alfredo Solis. He is a senior at Calallen High School, four year football player, and accepted to TAMU CC I'm sorry, TAMU Kingsville. It's gonna study electrical engineering.
Go Cats. Yes, sir.
Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please join me in honoring the Texas flag. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas. One state under God. One and then invisible.
Thank you, Alfredo. Good luck in
your Thank you.
Yes, sir. Miss box, would you please call the roll?
Mayor Pollock Guajardo? Present. Council members Roland Barrera?
Here.
Sylvia Campos? Eric Cantu? Here. Gil Hernandez? Here. Kaylin Paxson? Here. Everett Roy? Here. Mark Scott? Here. Carolyn Vaughn? Here. City manager Peter Zanoni?
Present.
City attorney Miles Risley? Mayor and council, a quorum of the council, and the required charter officers are present to conduct the meeting.
Thank you, miss Fox. Now we'll move on to section e, and that is our city manager's comments and update on city operations. Mister Zanoni, you have two items?
Yes. Two items this morning, mayor. Thank you. And mayor and members of the council and the community, we do have two items today. The first one is, is a great news story, which is a donation to this city of a $154,000. Yes. And so I'm gonna go over I'm gonna go over the detail here, and then we do have a check presentation, and we're gonna show you a small video. This has to do with our Oso Bay Learning Center, which is really a gem in our city. So the Coastal Bend Bays and Estuaries program is awarding the city $154,246 towards the Oso Bay Learning Center. Our Oso Bay Learning Center is located at the Oso Bay Wetlands in City Council District 4.
And the learning center, has been around for about ten years. It was established in 2016, and it's comprised of a 162 acres of preserved land that features five miles of trails and a 2,500 square foot educational facility. And it provides educational programs to visitors of all ages focusing on coastal ecosystems and the significance of wetland protection for this generation and future generations. So in 2025, it attracted 22,000 visitors that went to the center and about eight a 188,000 trail counts. And so there's a tracker when somebody walks on the trail, and so a 188,000 trail counts at the center.
So the learning center encompasses this is the building. It encompasses numerous adjoining amenities such as a playground, there's a pavilion, there's an amphitheater, there's a storybook sentry trail, a learning pond, a wildlife water feature, and a pollinator playscape garden. Didn't even know something like that existed, but then we have one right here in Corpus Christi. The now the the Coastal Bend, Beijing Estuaries, we know them. They're a a foundation here in our community.
They have a long history of working in partnership with the city of Corpus Christi to both establish and enhance the Oso Bay Wetlands and preserve. Over the years, the Coastal Bend Basin Estuaries Program has provided significant financial funding for various initiatives at the preserve and citywide, really. They've they've been a partner with the city for for many years in many aspects of what we do here. So the background is in 2024, as we were developing that year's budget, we did we did have financial challenges and we were looking where can we reduce in various program areas. There was concern in the community about the impacts if we were to reduce the Olso Bay and Estuary program.
In response, the city considered a third party partner who could take over and manage the entity. Unfortunately, those agreements didn't come to fruition. However, since that time, the Coastal Bend Basin Estuary has, as I mentioned earlier and as we're here to acknowledge today, for this fiscal year, for fiscal year twenty twenty six, they're going to present us a check with a 154,246 so that this fiscal year, we can have the exact program that we've had there for many years. So on behalf of the city, I wanna thank the Coastal Bend Basin Estuaries for, their generous contributions and their ongoing support and partnership with the city, not just here at the Oso Bay, but throughout the entire city. With us today is doctor Kirsten Stanzel.
She's the executive director of Coastal Bend Bays and Estuaries. Can you stand up to kiss us a few people here? Kirsten's here. And we thank you, Kirsten, for being here today. And we are going to have Kirsten say a few words, but first, I'd like to acknowledge the city staff that's here that helped operate the center. So Robert Dodd is here, our director Jonathan Natwood Sergio and then Tanya Watley, our program manager. So thank you all. Kirsten, we're just going to show this quick video, and then Kirsten is going to present to the city team that check, and then we'll let Kirsten say a few words. Just there's a nice little video here that the team put together that highlights the estuary.
The Oso Bay Wetlands Preserve and Learning Center inspires visitors of all ages. The preserve is owned and operated by the city of Corpus Christi Parks and Recreation Department. This 162 acre nature preserve is filled with the wonders of our natural world. We invite everyone to explore the two miles of nature viewing trails. You'll walk away with a new found experience and understanding. The learning center is open to visitors. Visitors of all ages will learn about coastal ecosystems natural resources. Come and learn about the importance of protecting the wetlands for future generations. As a student of nature, you will find the preserve's live classroom truly fascinating.
Alright. That's great. Good video. Right? Yeah.
Mhmm. Well well, thank you. Thank you, council, for the opportunity to come today. It is truly a celebration, the the partnership between the city and the bays and estuaries program at the Oso Preserve. And as a city manager Peter Zoni said, it's it's been a long partnership.
You know, the estuary program actually originally bought some of the property that makes up the preserve. We donated that back to the city so the city could use that as match for grants in order to construct the infrastructure that's out there now. So those are the great types of partnerships that we can try to provide as a nonprofit that works in this space. So, we were, you know, when the, as Peter mentioned, when there was budget issues a couple years ago, we saw the opportunity to step in with some funding that we had and make sure that, you know, the the staff at the preserve were were fully funded and able to provide those those educational programs that the community has become so familiar with and and really wanna participate in. They're worked to the bone.
You know, I think there's a waiting list for to get in there. So and they read the numbers off. I think, you know, in addition to just the education programs, the amount of people that run on those trails and just use them on a daily basis is tremendous. So, we were happy to step in and and provide the city with those funds needed. But I'm probably more excited about the fact that we're working on a longer term partnership with the city at the site.
So, we are close. We're making some final tweaks on an MOU between the estuary program and the city that will hope hopefully help us work with the city even more closely in the future, looking at ways to continue to fund the programs, the education programs, but also the maintenance and operations at the preserve. It's a great asset. I think, you know, I think the city leaders I wasn't around twenty years ago when this all started, but somebody had the foresight to see that spot for what it could be, you know, and now it's in the heart of the city, and it's it's still heavily utilized. So we're very excited about that, ways that we can look at, you know, building out our capacity out there. So we appreciate that and just happy to be here and and have a good news item to share with with the city and the and the community.
Great. Thank you, doctor. You guys can do the check for me. Yeah. Okay.
Can I say a couple of words before Okay? We go.
Before you do
the just wanna thank you. I wanna thank all of staff. I know this was a project or
don't know. It's not a project. It was existing, but it was at risk. It was very much at risk, it took some time to put all of this together. But Kirsten, your leadership, you weren't here the last twenty, but you might be the next 20. So what you do is is so important, and we just thank you because this is such a critical piece of of of Corpus Christi, and and it's so important the work that you all do there. And and it takes all of us, you know, all the the partnership. And really when this was I don't wanna say falling apart, but when this was, like I said, at risk of falling apart. Everybody came together to say how do we how do we continue this? Because it wasn't even an option to say we're closing it down. And and Peter, thank you for I think it was last year, wouldn't it? I think roughly.
Yeah. Two then the yeah. The '25 budget
Was it two years?
The two years ago.
Yeah. The
'20 had some challenges.
Right. Funding. Right. Yeah.
Well and it's taken all that time. So that speaks for, you know, what what our team and what we can all do in collaboration. So thank you for for your leadership and everyone here that's represented. Councilwoman Paxton. Hold on just a sec here.
Well, Stephanie, I don't have the button. The button is not here to I'm gonna have to talk loud.
There you go.
I'm keeping you called in here.
It's working now.
Thank you very, very much. It's it was, you know, it's always an a pleasure getting to work with your organization. You guys have such a strong impact in our coastal community that I am just beyond thankful for every opportunity that we get to partner with you guys. My district probably has some of the most projects in it, so I feel like I'm a little extra thankful. But I I really appreciate that you that you all looked at this project and really recognized what the community felt, which was how crucial, how important it is, and and there's such a variety of community members that enjoy this.
And, you know, we've talked a little bit about, I see this as such a future huge amenity for our city, and you guys, what you're doing here today, and in so many other ways, make that possible. So thank you very much for that.
Yeah. And I will say if if anybody else has questions about what we're doing in your district, I'm happy to, have a conversation because there's a lot of projects going on. And so, if anybody's curious, contact me.
Councilman Scott.
Yeah. I have a commitment tomorrow night. Right? But you have a big neighborhood presentation on your North Beach project, which is amazing. Thank you so much for for continuing
to pursue that.
Anyone, Scott?
So I chuckle when you said I wasn't here twenty years ago because I mean, well, I was. And I think it's important to note, Neil Lambsler. Neil doesn't live here anymore, but it was Neil's vision. And he went to he went to Tom Udder, former Yes. Governor affairs guy here, and he came to me. And we went to a guy named Skip Noni. Skip Noni was the city manager at the time. And Neil presented this concept for this amazing public space on the Oso, and and Skip made it happen. And and the guiding light at the cities on the city side was Tom Mutter, who's since passed. So just wanted to say those names.
I if you haven't been there, Corpus Christi, you gotta go. I used to do morning activities out there, and saw coyotes and bobcats and owls and
Painted buntings. I mean, it's extraordinary, and it's right there. It's like in the middle of our city. It's really unique. And then the physical facility that the city built is unlike anything else, I think, in town. It's really if you have some time, do it before it gets to August. But Yeah. Go out to the facility, walk around, go in the building, let watch the kids having a great time. And thank you so much for helping us put this.
Very welcome.
Thank you,
Yeah. Councilwoman Campos. Thank you, mayor. Thank you so much, Kirsten. I'm telling you that that is the power of the people because, the mayor is right. It was in jeopardy, I think about two years ago, and and the people rallied and then y'all came in as well, you know, to help save this and protect this. And I know that there's other parks. I know personally, for us, for me, I also work for the greater good. We adopted a park called Carol Lane Park. And with the help of the Parks and Rec Department, we have been able to do so much more.
We've been able to get more amenities. So, I would encourage strongly other people, other neighbors to please adopt those parks because that's how we hold our, you know, ourselves accountable and also make those tax dollars work for us, we the people. So, thank you. Thank you so much.
You're welcome. Okay.
I think we're gonna do it. Presentation.
Now we're gonna do the Czech presentation. Yeah.
Yeah.
Perfect. You guys are good. The council members are still Coming together. Okay. Perfect. Caroline,
you shoot?
Perfect. There we go. Okay.
Have a look right here. Big smiles on three. One, two, three. One more time. Big smiles on 3. 123.
Perfect. Awesome. Thank you. Alright. Thank you so much.
Okay. Okay, mayor. I think we have time for the next item. So we this the Corpus Christi Economic Development Corporation provides a quarterly report on our economic status here, and we that's in your packet. So if we don't have time to go through the entire thing, that's okay. Because the more important thing is to introduce to you the new president and CEO standing to Mike Culberson's left, which is Aaron Bowman. And so Aaron joined a couple weeks ago, I think, Aaron. Right? It's Four. Four weeks ago.
Okay. And we I had an opportunity to sit down with him for a couple of hours as did many here in the city. So mister Bowman joins the CCREDC coming from Jacksonville, Florida, where he led the Jacksonville's economic development efforts in its six surrounding counties as well. While leading Jacksonville, the region saw significant growth in logistics and manufacturing, financial services, direct foreign investment, and information technology. Aaron has a real interesting background.
He is a distinguished retired Navy fighter pilot and was involved in naval aviation research and development, procurement, and logistics support. He was the commanding officer of Naval Station Mayport in Jacksonville before he retired. And Aaron also served on the Jacksonville City Council for eight years, so he knows a little bit about what it means to be a council member, serving there for eight years. And his peers elected him to be the city council president during that term. So at this time, I'm gonna turn the microphone over to mister Bowman.
Thank you for being here this morning, and we'll we'll turn it over to you to introduce yourself a little bit more and and highlight maybe the you and Mike Hublison, the the quarterly financial update for the council.
Well, thank you, Peter. And and council, it's an honor to be in your city, and I've been welcomed so much by everybody. It it just feels like home. And my association with the Corpus started back many, many years ago down in Kingsville, and Corpus was where we went every weekend to experience the beaches, the life, and and all the entertainment venues have. So it's a real honor to be here.
I look forward to, and I'll be asking it on every one of your calendars to learn more about you, your your what what your passions are, where you're trying to take this city, and, of course, what what my vision is of where where we can go and where we we we will go with your support and everybody behind us. So it's an honor to be here. And with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Mike. He said he wanted to give be the last person to give one more brief to the city council. But please, if there's anything I can do to you, please reach out to me, and and I look forward to getting together with all of you.
Alright. Mike Culberson from your Corpus Christi EDC. Here we go. You know what we do? It's, I've always been amazed that there are companies like us that go out and try to find companies to help, help regions grow. Housing's kinda just we're reaching that steady state point. You can see the the housing prices, active listings, closed sales, and then days on market. So days on market, we have months inventory. A month's inventory, just make sure everybody knows. I know Mark knows this, but it's you take a look at the active listings divided by closed sales, and that's the month.
They say that anything under six months is a what is it? Buyers seller's market, and anything over six months is a buyer's market because sellers are trying to get rid of it. But, really, if you're trying to sell your house, it's gonna take a hundred and eleven days on average right now. Sales tax. Sales tax were kinda flat. You can see the very bottom when you take a look at the whole region. You know, we're 01/27, January. It's a little hard just from '23 to '24, but '25, which is this is calendar year. It's a calendar year total. We're going up a little bit.
You can see the reds. You know, they're puts and takes. Take a look at Ingleside. Ingleside's based on purchases in Kiwit for projects. I would hate to have to be there, but but most of the reds are just slightly underneath of what it was last year, so that's that's not a not a big thing. We're actually doing well in in in employment. 202,000. You know, we're up from November. We're up from December. You know, we're just kinda looking good.
Remember, whenever we talk school districts, we're those are in government. They're not in education and health services. Health services are almost entirely doctors and hospitals and all of those things. Unemployment rates were kinda settled down. The government got behind because of the shutdown, and so now they're just they just released December numbers. And you can see at the bottom, July, August, no no October. You know, we didn't just forget October. The US government forgot
it too. They were like,
this is too hard. Let's just jump to September and keep going. So December and we're actually doing well. We're kinda we're above Texas and US like we usually are, but we're actually not too far. We used to we used to lag them by as much as 1%. So I I think we're doing well for for what we're doing now. And you can see that by the strong by the strong number of jobs. So let me talk about the Eagle Ford and and Iran. I'm not gonna give you the political thing, but I'm gonna tell you, what are we gonna do? This is me, Mike Culberson.
The majors really took over the Eagle Ford. I don't know if you've been watching, but Conoco and Phillips sixty six and Exxon, they really moved into into the Eagle Ford. There's not, like, just wildcatters, land man kinda running around going crazy in Eagle Ford. So when they're looking at the Iran crisis or war or whatever you wanna call it, on the other side of that, they see oil prices going down. So don't expect them to go in and and do a well.
My father-in-law had they did a well on his property. He didn't own the rights, but they're fine. And eighteen months is what it took for them to show up, drill, frac, and close it up. Pump and close it up. It's not the Permian where they drill a well and pump for forty years. That's that's how long it takes. So eighteen months. So they think it'll probably be over in eighteen months. This whatever it is. And the biggest thing on on prices are not is not scud missiles or drones or whatever.
It's insurance underwriters. Because if insurance underwriters don't feel happy, they're gonna price out the, the cost of moving and the insurance you have to buy, and it's not gonna be worth it. So that's why you're not gonna see it. But they don't see it on the other side. However, if you do see a lot of people, if we do start drilling, you're gonna see, when the Eagle Ford was, blowing and going, like, 1415, and part of '16, and that's we'll have citizens from here.
They'll go up into the Eagle Ford. And just so you know, it's they do two weeks, and they do twelve and twelve. So we call it doing the fourteenth, 12, and twelves, and then they'll they and now it's all overtime. Right? So by the third day by the fourth day, they're all overtime. Then they come back here, they buy their 2 fifties, they barely they run out of money right about the time they need to go back up there, and then they do that and they cycle it, and everything goes great. And they have a lot of money. If you remember in 2016, or maybe you don't, Corpus Christi had a recession. Texas had a recession, but nobody else did. Because oil went down, so everybody had cheaper oil, but not us.
We had citizens that did not have jobs. Our unemployment went up, but our jobs didn't. Our jobs did not go down because those jobs are counted in in Karnes County and places like that. And so they lost jobs, but people came back home and filed for unemployment. And so our unemployment numbers went up, percentages went up, but our we didn't lose jobs. So it it took a while to figure it all out. So I want to thank you for your support. I want to tell you that I think that you're in very capable hands. Although this is my third attempt to retire, I think I'm going
to get it done this time.
Thank you. Any questions? Almost out of time.
Okay. Didn' know if Erin was going speak. No questions but I want to thank you. We want to thank you for your service to the CCR EDC. And I know this is a milestone. Like you said, you've been trying to retire for some time, but you know what? God has a plan for everything. And so as we welcome Aaron, we we thank you for everything you've done because you've done quite a bit. You have quite the history here with us, Mike. So thank you very much for your service to to this community.
Thank you, ma'am.
Yes. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Thank you, Aaron and Michael. And, mayor, that concludes the city manager's report.
Okay. Wonderful. Thank you, Peter. Okay. Well, it's twelve. It's 11:58. So as begin as we begin today's meeting, I wanna take a moment to address the rules of decorum. This council chambers is a place of public business, a forum for civic discussion, decision making, and service to the people of Corpus Christi. It is not a stage for personal attacks, disruptions, or vulgarity, and we will not tolerate violations of decorum. There have been repeated instances of excuse me, individuals using profanity, shouting over others, or showing blatant disregard for the rules at governor proceedings.
And I've always asked for space for differing viewpoints, and we'll continue to welcome respectful disagreement. But I will not allow this council or the public we serve to be disrespected. So we're here to do the people's work, and let's proceed in that spirit. If you want to speak on a specific agenda item during its discussion, you do not need to sign up beforehand. I will ask for public comment when the council considers the item. At that time, you can come up to the podium and speak. At this time, I'd like to ask city attorney Miles Risley to review the, city council, meeting rules of decorum. And these rules will also be displayed on the television television screens above for your reference.
All citizens must be courteous, polite, and respectful of one another, including the city council and city staff. The mayor and council members shall be referred to by title and or title surname. All remarks must be addressed to the mayor and city council and not to the city council members as individuals. Citizens are only permitted to speak on city related subject matter. Speaking on any noncity related matter is prohibited. Loud, boisterous, profane, or obscene language or behavior is not allowed. Citizens must refrain from any disturbing noise, demonstration, or other act disrupting to the city council business.
Thank you, mister Risley. Please state name and city in which you live before beginning. In person comments are limited to three minutes for call in or Webex video speakers. Corpus Christi residents receive up to three minutes and non residents up to one minute. A visible time or position near the city secretary's desk will help in managing that allotted time. If you have a petition or any relevant information that you'd like to give us, please present it to her before speaking, and she will distribute it, to us. So this morning, we are going to start with Sharon Sedwick.
That's what happens when you don't sleep the night before your first one, I guess. Good morning. Sharon Sedwick, 5501 Saracen, District 3. First, I have something to say about what happened last week with the gentleman that said the horrible thing to our mayor. That you three women did not come out with a statement condemning that behavior, shame on you.
Shame on you. What was done that day was abuse and violence against women, and you should all be ashamed that you did not come out and condemn that behavior. Shame on you. To our police, he's escalating. Beware.
To the removal or sending to ethics of mayor Paulette Guajardo. There was a really good article in the Caller Times on Sunday. They didn't. Christian Crow did an excellent job. And as we know as was noted in that article, our very own CCPD, the Texas Rangers, the FBI have all investigated this.
An independent investigation was done, which cost the taxpayers money. We love to talk about cast taxing the taxpayers until it's something we want done. And they were all found without cause, without merit. Yet again, you're spending time doing something that is not not productive. I think a lot of this is noise.
Am I boring you? I think a lot of this is noise for the job that you have not gotten done, which is desal and our water problems. Your individual pet projects are failing as we speak. Evangeline, despite one council member saying, well, we're just gonna go get their water, is falling apart like a cheap watch. Barney Davis, not gonna work.
Cece Palmer said this week, yeah, we'll sell it to you. So this is noise for all of the pet projects that are not happening, and I hope that our audience today will recognize that. We we also keep talking about costing the taxpayers money. If this goes forward with a hearing, who do you think is gonna pay for that? Who's gonna pay for all the lawyering up that is done?
Yet again, the taxpayers, but you love to talk about how we don't wanna hurt the taxpayers. I'm gonna leave it with this. It is often said, pride goeth before the fall. I would urge you all to check your pridefulness and arrogance in this matter and quit making Corpus Christi the laughing stock of the country. I support our mayor.
Thank you, miss Sedgwick. Saundra Meyer.
Saundra Mayer, Corpus Christi. This is an amazing city, and we've got challenges, and we need every one of y'all to stop fighting and be your best self to try to get through these challenges we've got right now. I've spent the last few weeks or I guess it's been about a month trying to put together a complaint for the Institute of Internal Auditors about our auditor. It is very uncommon for an audit shop to have a failed peer review. Part of that complaint process requires that I have to be able to document every single thing I say in there, and I'm going back to when he got put on administrative leave.
And I have to have a timeline. And as I've put the timeline because he reports to y'all, your activities go on the timeline also to include having the Homewood Suites issues come up today. And it's kind of weird when you look at a timeline, you're kinda looking back in hindsight's 2020. We've got three council members that I'm aware of that have potential conflicts of interest with the hotel or somebody very closely associated with the hotel. I'm not sure why that's not been disclosed, but when I look at that timeline, I go back to August 2024.
How much money would we have saved had the auditor recused himself before he even started the Homewood Suites allegation. How much money would we have saved? And I'm saying this rhetorically to me because I'm trying to figure out the answer. How much money would we have saved if when the hotelier filed the lawsuit against the city, The auditor should have walked away at that point, and we should have been consulting the attorney's office. What should we do in this case?
He should have recused himself. The people that have got campaign contributions between August 2024, and I think it was February 2025 from the hoteliers, there's three of y'all that got two each that I see. How much would we have saved we were not paying for all these attorneys, for the attorneys that y'all authorized in September, October, November, all the law enforcement investigations? It's very confusing. I feel like we have spent a lot of money that might have been saved had our auditor walked away and said, cannot investigate this allegation back in August when he first got it because he was being asked to investigate somebody he reported to.
How much money have we wasted? And I really hope in executive session that somehow y'all can ask our city attorney, how do we get back on track? Because the I mean, it's just weird. I don't know how else, but I just feel like we have spent and wasted a lot of money, and we need to be able to rely on the city attorney. We need to be able to rely on our staff. But most importantly, we need the citizens, all of y'all. Thank you.
Thank you, miss Meyer. Diane Larue?
Good afternoon, mayor and council members. Diane Larue, four twenty six Cape Lookout. I'm in District 2. I'm here today to voice my support for mayor Paulette Wajardo. She continues to lead in the face of adversity. Her political opponents will twist any story to meet their own personal agendas. Rather than focus on our water crisis, some of you have decided to deflect from your mistakes by playing the political game. It's time for this council to put this nonsense to bed and do what you were elected to do, which is to continue moving our city forward. I thank you all for your service to our community, and I especially thank you, mayor, for the time and effort you put into our city.
Thank you, miss Larue. David Ainsworth?
Good afternoon, mayor and council members. My name is David Ainsworth senior, District 1, live in Castle River.
I'm a
Calallen High School class of 1978, aka River Rat. First, thank you for your leadership and for all the time you've invested in engaging with all of us on this issue. Over the past several months, we've worked extremely hard across the community, meeting with industrial operators, local businesses, and solution providers. I want to thank everyone involved because what we're seeing is something very important. There is a broad alignment across industry and the water recycling needs to begin immediately.
The major industrial users in this region are not waiting. They are actively looking for ways to reduce their dependence on the municipal supply and begin recycling now. That's the good news. The challenge is that while long term projects are absolutely necessary, they are still years away. And the pressure on the system is happening today.
We're asking for not a change in direction, but an expansion of approach. We're going continue advancing long term projects, but also seriously evaluate near term deployable solutions, work with all qualified providers, and more the level of urgency that matches the situation. There are options that can be delivering water in months, not years. We've also seen engagement from several council members, and we appreciate that. At the same time, this is the moment where full alignment across the council is critical so we can move forward decisively.
This is not just an infrastructure issue. It's an economic and community issue for Corpus Christi. We believe the path forward in collaboration, public and private, working together to bring solutions online as quickly as possible and responsibly. With that, I would like to take and turn it over to Judy and Kenny Korchinski, who are with me because I can't get any of y'all to agree. It only takes three of y'all to get someone on the agenda, and I've been assured by three of y'all that I was gonna get on the agenda so we can give you a full presentation that the city deserves to hear and all of y'all deserve to hear, but I keep getting ignored by all text, emails, and phone calls.
So hopefully, we can take and give you a ninety minute overview with the three of us doing this back to back and hope and pray you'll put us on the agenda for next week so that everybody can see what we're trying to take and present. That is a short term and long term solution of our water problem that I can't get y'all to listen to. Thank you, and God bless you.
Thank you, mister Ainsworth. And, mister Zanoni, if if that really begins with you and your office. So if I'm not sure if he's reached out to you, but I think that's something that I think that's something that you should
Right.
On Yeah. In terms of what what he's suggesting.
Right. Yeah. Nick Winkleman spoke with mister Ellensworth and Okay. Ainsworth. I'm sorry. Ainsworth. And we'll continue to speak with him.
Great.
Mhmm.
Thank you. Judy Mosley? Thank
you, David. Thank you, council members and mayor. My name is Judy Mosley. I'm in District 1. I live at 15317 Guadalupe River Drive, 78410. And I'm also proud
Wildcat. I'm here today as both business operator and a citizen of this community. Over the past past months, I have been directly involved with the effort to find solutions.
Miss Mosley, can you bring the microphone down so we can hear you?
Oh. Thank you. Sorry.
Over the past few months, I have been directly involved in the effort to find solutions working alongside David and many others. And I can tell you firsthand, this has been a full time effort on top of running our business. Long days, late nights, constant calls, meetings, and coordination with people across the industry, all trying to answer one question, how do we start solving this now? What I've seen is encouraging. Companies are willing to collaborate.
People are sharing ideas and concerns. There are peep there are real commitment to being part of the solution. But there is also a very real concern. We don't have the luxury of waiting years for relief. Businesses, family, and the communities as a whole need to see the progress much sooner.
And the reality is there are solutions that can begin helping now. We've seen the options that are available near term, more affordable than the large scales projects, and capable of reducing demands and systems quickly. As a community, we are doing our part, putting in the time, bringing the people together, and pushing for solutions. What we need is continued leadership and willingness, evaluate all options, move forward with practical solutions, and act with urgency. This is community is ready.
The effort is there. The solutions are emerging. Now it's time to take the next step and move forward. Thank you.
Thank you, miss Mosley. Kenny Krasinski?
Kenny Kerchinsky from Spring Branch, Texas. Thank you, council members. Our team has spent the last six months commercializing a patented prototype water treatment system, and we are now positioned to deploy. We can deliver a full scale unit in sixteen to twenty months. We understand that the city is evaluating a 1,000,000 gallon per day desal demonstration at approximately $10,000,000.
We can deliver a comparable modular unit in under $4,000,000 with lower operating cost, reduced chemical usage, with the ability to scale quickly through additional units. In addition, we we reviewed the new ACES groundwater project and can treat the water to closely match river quality allowing for direct augmentation. The approach would could deliver 20 to 25,000,000 gallons per day within the next twelve months at a significantly lower cost. We're not here to replace what the city is doing. We're here to help to accelerate it. More water, sooner, at a much lower cost. We welcome the opportunity to prove it. Thank you.
Thank you, mister Krasinski. Amy Cook.
My name is Amy Cook, and I live Corpus Christi, Texas. Good afternoon, mayor and council members. I'm here to speak to you today regarding the petition to remove the mayor. There have been many accusations made and repeated in these chambers and online, but we all know that just because you say something out loud doesn't always make it true. As you all consider this issue today, I think it's important to remember that the accusations from the petitioners have been investigated by multiple law enforcement agencies and an independent third party investigator.
They all came back with the same conclusion of no wrongdoing. So at some point, all of those fighting findings should be worth something. And for most people, would be enough for them to feel confident in how to move forward responsibly. Our city charter gives the authority to act, but it also requires sound judgment, fairness, and integrity, especially when it's already been examined. Our city and this council have real issues that need your attention.
Our water challenges are not gonna be solved by staying divided, and it is time to put this behind us. Please move forward together. Focus on what actually needs to be done in this city. I'm praying for each and every one of you as you make this decision, and I fully support our mayor. Thank you.
Thank you, miss Cook. Laura Dietz?
Good afternoon, mayor and council members. My name is Laura Dietz, and I reside in Corpus Christi, and I live in District 4. I'm here today to speak on the petition to remove our mayor. At a time when our city is facing important challenges, I believe our focus should be on the issues that truly impact our community. We have more pressing matters that require leadership, cooperation, and unity. My hope and my prayer is that everyone on the city council can come together, set aside differences, and work alongside our mayor to address those priorities. I support our mayor and urge this council to focus on solutions, not division, so we can move forward together for the good of the city. Thank you. Thank
you, miss Dietz. Tom Taglaboo.
Hello. I'm Tom Taglabue, District 2, and I wanna thank all of you for volunteering to serve the city. Being an elected local official is a challenge, and I know you make many sacrifices that and do difficult tasks that we take for granted. Despite what some folks thinks, I know you don't get rich off of doing this. While we don't always agree on the issues before you, I want you to know you have my respect and admiration.
I could not and would not do what you're doing. In my thirty years of working in government, the level of toxicity and public debate has grown exponentially, and it's disheartening. We've devolved to where every topic is now winner versus loser, us versus them, good versus evil, love versus hate, have versus have not, power versus weakness, rich versus poor, neighbor against neighbor. I'm not asking you to be in lockstep with each other. It's always better to have legitimate public differences to ensure good policy.
Where there is this much disinformation and public distrust in how we're governed, I think the answer is greater transparency and more communication about stakeholder roles and responsibilities, the mayor and council, city staff, regulatory agencies, consultants, consumers, bondholders, taxpayers. All of us need to understand the complexities of policy topics and how everyone's roles relate to actual governments governance and in in implementation. I encourage you to focus on transparency, fairness, open mindedness, equity, equality, and, yes, justice, not on performative political stunts like item 15 on the agenda. We are seven months away from another election. Today, we need stability, consistency, and continuity of leadership.
Thank you.
Thank you, mister Taglavu. Nelda Martinez.
My name is Nelda Martinez and I live in District 4. And I see all of you up there and I know that you put so much work and time and so much sacrifice that you do, and I wanna thank you for your public service. I'm also very concerned about the word curtailment. All of you are. Everyone, not only in the city of Corpus Christi, but also going beyond our city limits, our state limits, and frankly, we are known globally.
People here that you serve are worried if they're going to have their job tomorrow. There have been businesses that have shut down. There have been businesses that now are planning their exit plans. There are people and entities that had decided that they're not going to move here, whether they were going to be a new business or expanding existing business or whether they were going to retire here. We are at a crisis and I'm asking each and every one of you to please rise above the noise, rise above the hate and work together for why you all I know intend and are doing with your public service.
I do want to thank you for all the hard work that you've done in putting together a diversified portfolio. Did we anticipate problems some more so knew that we'd have problems with some evangelion? We're in an unprecedented crisis. Of course, we're going to have neighbors and everyone concerned, especially in groundwater that you have to recharge. And so, of course, we're going to have those issues.
But we have to think long term and what we've done is long term. Yes, I would have rather have seen us have the Inner Harbor break ground about right now, but that's not happened, but you're back on track. We're in the Wild Horse Desert. We've been known as a place that only rains in between droughts. That's been known for hundreds of years.
And so that's why we need a drought resistant long term water supply. So please rise above the noise and choose unity. Choose the priorities that we have not only with the crisis we're in with water, but also with all of the other twenty four seven things that this city has to do every time anyone wakes up at any point of the day. I do want to have a point of privilege and thank city staff. You've been working with your tongues hanging out, and it's incredibly difficult.
So, you all. God bless you for your work. I support our mayor and I support you all in your service.
Thank you very much. Paula Harris.
Hi. My name is Polly Harris. I live in Corpus Christi, Texas. And I want to talk in support of our mayor. But first of all, I wanna talk about a couple other things, you know, to everybody needs to look around what's what's going on. Our lakes are drying up, the cracked earth where water used to be. Everybody's seeing pictures of Lake Corpus Christi. Pretty sad. We are steering down a real crisis. No rain, no reserves, and businesses.
Our refineries, our jobs are on the edge. Yet five city council members keep voting no on the desalination plant every time. That plant could pump 30,000,000 gallons a day, fresh water from the sea, no more no more begging the sky. It's not perfect, but it's progress, and they've blocked it while our taps run low. Now they are pushing a petition to oust mayor Ricardo, the same mayor who fought tooth and nail for water solutions. She's focused always putting our city first. She doesn't grandstand. She works. She didn't have time to be my friend because she's so busy. Not true.
She she's pushed groundwater projects, rallied state funds, kept us from total shutdown. She's one vote. Sure. But she's the voice saying yes while others are saying no. This isn't about politics. It's about survival. The five that want her gone, that won't fix our drought, she's not flashy, she's reliable, and right now sorry. She won't wait. She's reliable. And right now, we need reliable more than anything.
So let's stand with her, not because she's perfect, none of us are, but because she's on our side. Vote no on that petition. Vote yes on water. Vote yes on Corpus Christi. And thank you very much.
Thank you, miss Harris. Alex Harris.
Alex Harris. 2138 Highway 286. Corpus Christi my whole life. Part of the reason that's a hard act to follow Polly because Polly is also lifelong person here at Corpus Christi. So I'm a fourth generation back here. In 1871, John o Luby was the first county judge in Duval County, the first county commissioner in Bancetti. So my family goes all the way back that far. We made this our home. Ranching, farming, you name it, that's what we did. So after I got out of college, 1975, I I had a computer degree.
I could have gone anywhere in The United States. I was one of 13 in a graduating class. I chose Corpus.
I made this my home.
I I have grandchildren here. It's an emotional thing to me. Sorry. Corpus is. But this is my life. I wanna tell you I support the mayor. I support her efforts in all that she has done and how hard she has worked, and I've been there. I remember when Peter applied for the job. I was there supporting him. I was supporting many of y'all when you ran for for office. And when I look at some of you and say, shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you for what you have done over the last six months. Now, Desal may not be the perfect answer, but it's the answer that we need. It's something that we need.
Today, I got a call from someone on Padre Island. Mister Hammonds and I and his son, we built over 600 resort properties on Padre Island. I got a call today because our rental management company got a call because they were asked, am I gonna be able to take a bath after I go to the beach? Cause I understand y'all are out of water. So this is gonna kill our tourism in addition to the other items. I will tell you, we support the mayor. Move forward. Get this behind you. Quit playing politics, quit trying to sit here and dictate certain things instead of pulling together. You know, the election's in seven months.
What happens today is gonna play a big role in that election in seven months, and we need you to come together. This is I'm the fourth or fifth generation. I intend to stay here the rest of my life. My my grandkids are now made this their home too. Willard Hammond's son is my partner, third generation in Corpus Christi. So make the right decisions. Think about what you do. We're behind the mayor. We support you.
Thank you, mister Harris. Susie Saldanha.
Good morning Susie Luna Saldana Corpus Christi Texas. I am not here with a concern today I'm here with a $10,000,000 problem. A big lie about $10,000,000 and the public deserves answers. Not silence, not excuses, and not a sprint. Taxpayers should know about a big lie, about $10,000,000 lie.
Let me be clear so that there's no mischaracterization. This is not about being anti development, it is about truth, accountability, and whether this council was misled. I reviewed a full file on the residential end projects involving Shoreline Hospitality LP, a G Davids and Giroux. I am going to use your documents not rumors, not assumptions, your documents. In the turf presentation this project was sold by g David for $15,300,000 development.
That was put in front of council, that was just a justified deal and that's what the public was led to believe. By the official but the official building permits signed by a G David and Raju tells a very different story. 5,560,000.00, not 15,000,000, 5,000,000. So let's stop dancing around it and ask the question that matters. Achieve David, redo what number is truth because both cannot be right.
And counsel do not look away from this. If those numbers are inconsistent and then you approve was based on bad information and that should concern every single one of you. But it gets worse. We're seeing cost breakdowns claiming $4,000,000 in steel and concrete alone while the entire permit projection is just $5,000,000 in permits. That doesn't pass the smell test.
We're seeing reimbursements requested including a rooftop amenity and that is obviously a question was it ever built? So again this isn't small, this isn't technical, this isn't paperwork, This is a pattern of numbers that do not match. We all know that it is truth and let's clear up one more thing because the public cannot be misled again. The agreement caps the reimbursements at $940,000. So no it's not.
I give away. This is something much more serious. A $10,000,000 deficit in what was presented versus what is documented. Not speculation, not opinion, not misinterpretation. And we need to look at this. It's important that you look at it and that you find out what the truth is.
Thank you, miss Saldana. Lou Geiten?
Hello. I was I don't see a lot of people got a lot of pressing issues. I'm just here representing the Corpus Christi Rugby football club. We I was brought out here just to give us a little breakdown of what we do. Just figured we'd try to get our name out there.
We've been around since we're one of the longest standing Corpus Christi sports teams in Corpus. We've been around since 1974, and we've been through a lot of changes and a lot of early. We currently we just made the, Texas Rugby Union playoffs. We represent Corpus Christi against Oklahoma, here Saturday at Haas Middle School at 02:00. I just wanted, like I said, come out here and kinda toot our horns a little bit and just say thank you. It'd be great if we had support from the city, and that's really all I I really wanted to say.
Thank you, mister Guthrie. Thank you for your
great day, and hopefully we have some of y'all out there cheering us on. Thank you all.
Thank you. Moriah Forest.
Hi. Mehdi the Forest, District 5 resident. I'm here today to ask you to not act on agenda item number 15, the discussion and possible action on the petition to remove the mayor. I greatly respect the individual who put together the removal petition and the articles of impeachment, and I respect the 2,200 people who signed the petition. While I have strongly disagreed with some of the mayor's decisions, especially on pushing the Inner Harbor desal project before the far field modeling is completed and reviewed, voters should remember that this petition is based on one issue, Homeward Suites and the altered screenshot by Philip Ramirez that others city council members also knew about.
Since you will hear the petition details today, I ask you to take no further action. We must hold everyone involved accountable, not just the mayor, but other council members and the city manager. A petition targeting only the mayor does not accomplish that. I also believe this effort undermines local democracy and risks disregarding the will of voters, including the 46,759 votes for the mayor that she received in November 2024 and the 14,284 votes in the December 2024 runoff. Coming a city council member these days, I'm deeply frustrated by the actions of the people our city council meetings.
The disrespectful behavior we continue to see, not only from public commenters, but also among some of the city council members on the dais. And at the same time, I also appreciate those council members who are making common sense financial decisions. Those are y'all who are speaking loudly about it and listening to us public. We appreciate that. Whether someone supports the mayor or not, allowing this effort to dominate the council agenda only deepens division in our city. With the water crisis before us, we need stability, focus, and collaborative government governance, not more political fighting. I ask you today to reject this effort to escalate conflict. Do not act on this item. Thank you.
Thank you, miss Forrest. Scott Barassa.
Good afternoon, counsel. I just wanna clarify some stuff that I was here from last week. Peter Zanoni said he wasn't aware of an interconnect in Oasis County. And just in January 27, the council approved $1,700,000 for an interconnect with WCID three due to the water in the river being wrecked with TDS and arsenic. But you gotta ask yourself also, Alice Mathis and Beeville, they all get their water from the lake and they do not have an arsenic issue, although it keeps being stated it's from the lake. Wanna thank councilwoman Paxton for her dedication for this good neighbor program. I appreciate it. I still haven't seen anything yet. Nick did explain it briefly. Last week, he went over the well level and water quality testing.
That's all data collection that CCW wants it. The well owner can get that other places. It doesn't really benefit the well owner when he has issues. He also stated that participation is low. Trust is part of the reason that the participation is low. We are promised no new wells, and then we have the ERF come about. We're also told these wells were gonna be temporary, but then that turned out to be permanent. It turned out from a bridge to diesel to water diversification. Nothing's ever been said about the well mitigation program. That's part of this good neighbor program.
It's one of the special conditions on the permits that were required by the CCASRCD when they permitted those whales. They are over thirty days past due, and board member Jeff Edmond stated that those permits are not valid, but yet the CCW is still pumping and not only are they still pumping, they added new wells in production on the Western Well field. Why is that those the good neighbor program, why is it late? Zanoni has also stated that it's not all wells causing damage, it must be the drought. He stated this several times.
He stated this October '25, and again last Friday at the press conference. This doesn't inspire trust amongst all of us out in the country on whales when, corpus for corpus to help solve the problem they're creating. You don't get to dismiss the issue as another cause and then turn around and say, we have your back. The drought doesn't cause the whales to dry up. Over pumping does. Water is locked in the aquifer. Springs and pumping is the only way it comes out. More on that well mitigation program, I would like to know how much is allocated to it. Is there funding in it? Are we gonna are you gonna pay for new wells? Wells to get lowered for the pumps? What are the conditions to get that, to tap into those funds? Our wells have to go dry. Do they need TDS in it? What strings are attached?
Do we have to sell our souls to the devil to get help like WCID three did to get that interconnect? Again, it's it comes down to a trust issue. When you go to a bank and you get a loan, you sign that loan. It's not your signature that guarantees you that loan. It's your word. When you lose that when you lose your word, you lost it all. You don't have anything. So never lie to someone who trusts you and never trust someone who lies to you. Thank you.
Thank you, mister Barasa. Do you have a comment, councilwoman? Thank you, mayor.
I wanted to do a quick fact. And if Peter is Peter in the back somewhere? Peter or Nick, if they could come out real quick. I do want to say that while we have been discussing differ diversification of our water supply, the intention behind that definition still very much remains on projects that we know have long time sustainability. For instance, our studies on Evangeline.
We have every intention to still follow through with our words at this point on our on our Western wells, our Nueces River wells. For myself, and I know several up here, so that's a huge priority that this is a temporary short term project. I was speaking to a member of our ASR district just last week, and they feel exactly the same that we are going to continue to put things into place to where we can keep that promise that the more majority of those wells can be turned off when we reach water sustainability through our other supplies. And I wanted to take a moment to make that clear that we don't intend to go back on that. Peter, thank you for coming back out.
I wanted to get another time update where we're I'm still being told they still don't have anything in writing on the good neighbor prop program. Can you speak to that?
Say that last sentence again. I couldn't hear that.
The good neighbor program, they said they still don't have anything in writing. We talked about it last week.
Well, we handed it out last week, so we'll let me get Nick to give him a copy today, right now. If you can just hold where is he at?
Could you raise your hand?
Yeah. Where's the gentleman at? Okay. We'll take him wave right in the back. We'll take him a copy right now.
Okay. Thank you.
Yeah. Thank you.
Joe Bettis. Oh, no. I'm so sorry. Nancy Bettis and then Joe Bettis.
Hello, everyone. I'm doctor Nancy Vera. I live in District 2 from Corpus Christi, Texas. As I was walking up the city hall steps this morning preparing to speak before you, I heard the church bells ring at Sacred Heart Catholic Church. And Sacred Heart Catholic Church was built in the nineteen forties and and my grandfather and my grandmother were part of the building of that church.
And as I came up and always, when I hear the bells at the church, that particular church, it brings me solace. It brings me hope. When my mother died and we were escorting the procession through the streets, the we went in for the Sacred Heart Church and the bells rang again. So I came here concerned because of the animosity and vitriol that has been spewed over the last few months against each other. I think all of us as public servants should know better.
And I'm not here to chastise anyone. I'm not here to say that you're culpable of doing things that are incorrect. Because to me, the desalination, water projects, and all of the city council stuff is a is convoluted and it takes a lot of study. I'm not a study of city council city council or city works. I know about schools and I know that our schools are suffering right now and that we need for you to do the best possible job you can to try and alleviate some of the concerns of our public.
However, today I need to ask to please for you to please work together. The church that was built was out of community. They fundraised money so that they could build a church. Let's all work together. I know I know that it's hard to be in in these positions, but please please, we cannot spend time blaming each other or or chastising each other and throwing someone out when we have a business at hand to help our human beings human beings survive in our community and to keep our city prosperous.
We need to stop in this futile activity and continue with the work that you were elected to do. So please do that and remember, the bells of Sacred Heart are always ringing and that's to bring us hope. Thank you mayor for all you do, city council members, and know that we support you even when we fight, we support you. Thank you.
Thank you, miss Betta. Joe Betta.
How you guys doing today? My name is Joe Michael Pettis, d four Corpus Christi, Texas. So everybody talks about that this isn't political. I think it's all about I I I think it's politics. Because when you have a certain individual who doesn't show up to an important rally, which is the president of The United States, and doesn't talk about what issues that we have that that that we have going on here at home. That's political. When you have three city council members I'm here to talk about the petition. Let's get it out the way. Alright? When you have three city council members who signed not one, not two, but three.
When you have three of them who sign it, they see something suspicious. And I put my trust in that. When when you have when you have an individual, not just one term, two terms, what is it, three terms, and something's still not fixed, then it's time to, you know, move on for accountability. Because if we don't have that, then the people in the background, our people who are here, they're gonna have a problem with that. Now, there there there are so many problems, guys. It's like parks. Okay. I understand we wanna be political correct. We wanna talk about parks. Yada yada yada.
Parks. Parks. But how many parks do we have where you have homelessness people out there sleeping on benches? You know, I kids till this day in this generation, they don't go to parks. You know what they're doing? On tablets, technology. Right? I mean, I I I can go myself and do a a quick little brief, not brief, but day by day, and take pictures and do videos. Day one, here's a homeless guy at the park. Day two, they're out there doing something that homeless people are not supposed to be doing.
We spend so much money at doing parks. So, anyway, then move forward. Guys, if we don't go forward with this petition, there's no accountability. There's not. We're gonna have the same problem. And if you look at certain previous leaderships, look at Joe McConnell. Joe McConnell was real quiet. It looked like Barbara Canals was pulling his strings. What happened to Joe McConnell? Run off. He's out. Then you had another, person. Water. Water was a big deal. What happened to that person?
Can I get it fixed? Boom. They're out. Now the previous election. Right?
A runoff. Close. Won by mail in ballots. Now this time, seven months from the election? I don't know. We got anyways, let's get it done. Let's move on with the petition. Thank you.
Thank you. Alejandro Chaveira. Mister.
Mayor, council members, Alejandro Chaveira, District 3, which we do. I'm here to talk about desal. I know we're going to do desal. I know it's in the works. There are four process to desal, I believe. And I believe we should add a fifth project. And that first process would be mineral extraction module. What a mineral extraction module does, it would take all those rare earth minerals
Sorry, mister Shivera, you speak more into the microphone? We can't hear you.
Mineral extraction modules do is they extract the brine material. Brine is made out of ore. It's precious material. It's got lithium, magnesium. All these things that are in brine are considered dangerous. Yes. But they aren't. We make batteries out of it. Tesla is right here close by making batteries. Why don't we extract these materials by adding another module to the desal? Not only will you satisfy the people that say, what are you gonna be doing to the brine? You're gonna be destroying all this and this because you won't. Why not do that? Kuwait did that. Kuwait did a study.
They extracted all these materials. They are doing this now. There are other countries that are also doing this. So if we're gonna go with desal, why don't we take that extraction material and pay for most of the desal? Because that's what you're actually gonna do. You're gonna make steady flow of money. So instead of being a problem, the brine will actually be, you know, a commodity. Another thing, you do know that we can use salt water to put out fires. Why are we wasting fresh water? We live right by the ocean.
You know? I learned this from the navy. That's what we used. There was no fresh water. We have to use salt water. Now you're gonna have to use certain materials, know, aluminum and stuff for the corrosion process, but hey, you won't be using fresh water. And another thing is fog nets. I already told you guys we really need to look into these fog nets. Chile uses them, Kuwait, all these other countries. All these countries that are dry are using these.
In the morning, I don't know if anybody woke up and if you go outside and you look, you see all these dew that's laying around? That's fresh water. Falkinets actually capture this. I built my own and it does work. I did not build a full scale model, but I did a small model and it does work. So I am actually going to build a full scale model out of my own money, which will be about a $150. Thank you very much.
Thank you mister Chaveira.
Encarnacion Serna, one zero five Lost Creek, Portland, Texas. Dear city manager and mayor, council members, request govern governor Abbott to issue four moratoriums immediately, do not delay. Here's the four moratoriums. Immediately order existing industry sites that use more than a quarter of a million gallons a day to curtail water usage, volumetric rates down to an agreed negotiated dictated and directed percentage that will ensure that none of the 500,000 plus residents of the seven counties will run out of water in their households. The narrative circulating now that these industrial sites can only operate on off and cannot operate at reduced rates is a false, half truth narrative.
The facts are that all of them can shut down in an orderly and structured way. They can do it now. As they always do when hurricanes enter the Gulf Of Mexico or when they do shutdowns for scheduled or non scheduled maintenance activities, these industrial sites have the necessary operating and shutdown procedures to accomplish the safety. I have written many of them in my career. The ones that can operate at reduced rates were smart in their designs and constructions.
The ones that were not so smart on their designs and constructions, they can operate at full rates, can certainly operate in a batch mode, on off, on off, until they can figure out something better for themselves. Number two, moratorium. Cap and reserve 40% of the water volume contained in Lake Tejana to be used only by households. Industry configure other water sources while they operate at reduced rates or on off or in the on off batch mode. Moratorium number three, immediately stop all future industry sites from coming to the area.
Any proposed industrial or commercial project that would use more than 500 gallons per day must not be allowed. The West Reservoirs are empty and their tributaries are dry. In Lake Tejana, the smallest of the three reservoirs is at 50% capacity and rapidly being depleted by the same Gargantuan users that empty at the West Reservoirs. 50% of what's in Lake Tejana, it's not Corpus Christi. That's Formosa in that county.
The 40% volume in Lake Tejana should be reserved and preserved for people's hospitals, stores, fire departments, and other entities needed for people's survival. Number four, immediately stop the city of Corpus Christi from drilling wells that steal in pirate in a pirate like raft
Mister sir.
Water from aquifers that do not belong to them. It is illegal, unethical, abusive, intrusive, invasive
Thank you, sir.
The city to be poaching water Thank
you, sir. Isabel Ariza.
From the rural areas. Thank you.
Isabel, I saw District 2. First, just before I get started, just want to say I've never seen so much of the old guard here at City Council at one time. It's pretty interesting to see all the like I guess the legacy colonizers here advocating for doing something about our water, because residents have been coming here for ten years asking you all to have a responsible plan for our water, but so I just wanted to point that out. It's interesting seeing all you guys here. The other thing is I'd like to take I'd like to continue where Mr.
Serna left off. Over 46,000 people, Beeville, Three Rivers, Sinton and Robstown, all of their water issues have been impacted by the city's irresponsible water management. I didn't have time to actually write my stuff down, so this is just things that I was jotting while I was listening to everyone. Former mayor Nelda Martinez, who took time to come out here and talked about us being in a wild horse desert, you know, needs to also remember that if we're in a wild horse desert, why are we selling so much water to high volume water users? Why are we recruiting them?
That Coastal Bend Regional Economic Development Corporation, Yes, thank you for retiring Mr. Culberson. Mean you guys actually created this water crisis for us. You've been recruiting these high volume water users and we don't have water and so now you're poaching other people's water and promising that it's going to be okay. And then we turn around and we celebrate the Coastal Bend Basin estuaries for donating a measly $154,000 when their funders Celanese, Valero, Sicko, Foothills, ConocoPhillips, Buckeye, Lyndal Basil, Gulf Coast Growth Ventures, they got an industrial district agreement in August 2024 that keeps them outside of our city limits so they don't pay taxes.
That $154 is chump change and how many of them have the drought exemption? Right? And we're not losing that drought exemption money if we pass the fair water amendment, we'll actually be gaining millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars if it goes to which I think it would have residents had the right vote. The other thing I wanted to point out is I actually looked at my water bill, which is the utilities bill. It was a $165 for just three people.
Now, I was talking about it and one of my students told me, family of $5,200, You spent a billion dollars looking for water for industry and that doesn't even count with the diesel stuff. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna make people's water bills go up to $354,100 dollars? We have 30,000 people waiting for affordable housing in Corpus. That is not economic development. You guys got to get rid of the Corpus Christi Regional Economic Development Corporation because it's a pillaging corporation. Like if you want to be responsible city council members, center people in the environment. When we turn on our tap, we should get water. Water for people before polluters. Anything outside of that is irresponsible and malfeasance.
Thank you, Mr. Raizen. Brandon Kuner.
Hello, council members. My name is Brandon Kuehner. I work for TWC. I'm a state employee using my lunch break to come talk to you, I appreciate respect everything that you do. I'm a previous congressional district staffer, so I know the political sphere is very difficult, and there's a lot of things that the public doesn't always know that you, you know, have to keep to yourselves and and keep it close to the chest. I respect everything that you do. There's a lot of solutions that we're talking about. I think there's a lot of foresight that hasn't been done, in natural remedies. It seems like a lot of what we're doing right now is reactive instead of proactive, and I know not everyone has been here for decades. So I do appreciate the work that you have done while you've been here.
But one of the solutions is a simple but powerful one is partner with landowners across the counties north of us, because it's not just us affected by this, it's everyone north of us all the way to the hill country. This is a problem I'm from Seguin, Texas. I moved here for the TWC for a veterans rep job. And this has been an issue for for Canyon Lake, all over all over San Antonio area. This is an issue all over a large portion of Texas.
And a large portion of Texas receives the fuel, jet fuel, diesel, and gas that we make here. So when I hear the the council members talking about how much money it's gonna cost us, I feel like this should be spread across the state of Texas because it's a global market. Energy's a global market. If this energy goes down here, it costs everyone everywhere more. We're already exacerbated by the war. This would only make it worse. So when our energy and Three Rivers has a refinery as well. So if the refinery goes down, our refineries go down, everything costs more because our energy goes up. Right? So one solution is simple.
Landowners across the counties north of our reservoirs to remove invasive species and restore native grasses and vegetation. Native grasses absorb less water and slow runoff, increasing the amount of water that seeps naturally into the aquifers. This approach improves a long term water supply, reduces erosion, and supports local ecosystems. I know one of the major issues that we have in Corpus is Lake Corpus Christi is a very shallow reservoir, and a lot of sediment has been built up into it. So the shallower it is, the more evaporation that we have.
Right? So one of those things that can mitigate that is removing these brushes, planting native perennial grasses that will prevent that. Now there are grants set in place, this isn't all on the landowner. There's multiple grants already set in place for the state of Texas. I think one of the best things this council could do is coordinate with all of the counties, and I mean all the counties all the way up to the hill country, and coordinate with them and push a marketing campaign that basically highlights these landowners and what they can do.
Because we're all Americans, we're all Texans. Direction. So if there's a marketing plan where everyone can push in the same direction, say, hey, all hands on deck, all landowners, if you can get people to come out and clear clear your land, here's here's the grants here's the grants that you can stack that will help you eliminate the cost on you, and you can incentivize that. Thank you.
Thank you, mister Kuehner. Blanca Parkinson.
Blanca Parkinson district one. I'm here today to share a little bit from a news article that came out last week. It's called water shortage may hit Corpus Christi within weeks. It was an article written by Dylan Badore. And also I'd like moment to say that most of my comments are directed towards the City Council, but Councilwoman Campos has been aware of this issue and has been on the right side of this issue.
So, I'm sorry, you have to listen. Anyhow, this article, which was in regards to our current water crisis, states, Charles McConnell, a former assistant energy secretary who now teaches at the University of Houston, said local leaders should be planning how to shut down refineries and chemical plants. You don't design a refinery or a chemical plant to start squeezing off your water supply, so it's going to be a rather awkward dance, said McConnell, who worked three decades for the chemical company Praxair. They're going to have to do some pretty significant planning. As someone who's been watching this water crisis unfold for years and years and years, while some of you were, I don't know where you were with your head in the sand somewhere in this community, I'm here to tell you there is no way in hell that Peter Zanoni is going to come up with the amount of water that we need by the by by what?
April? It's it's too much. He has pushed nothing but in feasible financially in feasible projects, and now he's pushing just theft. He's pushing projects that are literally killing people, killing their communities, killing their towns. Those are the projects that he's pushing.
We've been watching for years, and like I said, he specializes in propaganda. That's what he does, image. Good job. He does press conferences, press releases, briefings, meetings, social media campaigns, billboards, new city logos, shirts, outfits, clothing lines, commercials, radio shows, podcasts, cosplay trips to go pose at desal plants, and endless endless spin on your local podunk news. He is not going to be a good neighbor. He is not going to give you a piece of paper that's gonna save the rural counties. He's not. We've been watching. He's going he's incompetent in that. Okay?
The governor, he's gonna look out for his crown prince friend and his billionaire pedophile friend. That's who he's gonna come look out for. You all need to have bring the leadership together and start talking. This is coming from an energy secretary in Houston saying they're gonna have to shut down. There is no way that we are going to survive. It's that's where we are. Is industry gonna come for our 16 MGD or 15 MGD or 12 MGD, whatever you have the entire Coastal Bend running on now? You're you're not gonna kill an entire Coastal Bend. And he's not gonna be a good neighbor, and he's not he's not. Go talk to people in three rivers.
Get out of your echo chambers. Get out of your ponds of scum, and go talk to your neighbors. And the neighbor, I mean, the mayor holder responsible.
Thank you,
miss But hold the city manager. Otherwise, is optics and shit.
Thank you, miss Parkinson.
Jared
Suarez? Jared? Oh, come on.
Jared Suarez, Corpus Christi district two. Good afternoon. Corpus Christi charter section 11 states that a council member shall be subject to removal by the council for misconduct, malfeasance, incompetence, inability, or willful neglect in performance of official duties. City's 02/20/2025 agenda packet relating to the Elevate QOF LLC project. The mayor directed city employees to delete the agenda memo, delete ordinance 24 dash zero two five six version one, delete FEMA flood maps, delete exhibit a, and delete the altered fraudulent presentation.
The mayor's motive was to steer the $2,000,000 to her friends. This act alone is fraud, waste, and abuse of our hard earned tax money. This is unbecoming of an elected position of a public servant to We the People. Currently, there is negligence from the mayor in this water crisis. The mayor has failed to guide the city council towards a timely solution for ongoing crisis facing our city.
It was only after escalating threats of state government takeover that was decided to call for an emergency meeting. Still, the meeting was set for April, causing unnecessary delay given how urgent the issue is. This delayed response raises concerns about the city's preparedness and accountability. I passionately believe that mayor Paulette has met all the requirements for the impeachment as outlined by the city's charter. Her actions have resulted in the forfeiture of the privilege to serve as mayor of Corpus Christi.
Through her conduct, she has brought shame not only upon herself, but upon the city and the voters who supported her election. The community will remember these decisions and actions she has taken, as well as the choices made by every member of the city council. As we move forward, it is important to recognize that actions have consequences, and these will be reflected when the people exercise their right to vote. It would behoove the city council to listen to us voters and to the likes of Rachel Corriero, a true champion of the city. I hope and pray that there is intestinal fortitude among the city council to vote in favor to remove the mayor.
As a combat vet of of Afghanistan, I know what leadership is. And whatever this is, this is not leadership. Thank you.
Statement of fact. Many of those, statements are absolutely not true, and we will, address accordingly. And I did not direct anyone to remove anything. Marshall Gardner. Marshall? James McKibbin. Adam Rios.
I brought props. I gotta pass these out for you guys real quick. Okay. Adam Rios, Corpus Christi district five. I wanted to start off by saying, last time I was here I was talking about something I'm passionate about which is EB research.
For those of you who don't know it is epidermolysis bullosa, which is a skin deteriorating disease that affects children, and it's something I'm passionately involved with. But that's something on a global scale as you know, I like to do things that support local as well. And so I want to take a brief moment. By the way, skateboard, we're gonna talk about BMX. The skateboard is something that I'm donating to the free store for them to donate at an auction, and I'm also delivering a couch to them after this because they've got some new offices and you know everything helps.
What I passed out to you is something that most of you know about which is the NEPA mitigation presentation, etcetera. It involves something that I've been passionate about and ties into Salinas Park, which is in District 3. It is the BMX park that I have been advocating for for now just over three years, believe close to three and a half years. When I got here at that time, I had gotten together with CC BMX and some other local BMXers and we figured it would be feasible to have a working BMX track sanctioned that would be in the cost estimate from our figures. And since we ride these and we build these and we know them, should have been in about the 50 to $85,000 range.
A grant was presented and unfortunately most of the grant money went towards design, left no money left over to actually construct the park. Again keep that number in mind, 50 to 85,000. What I have before you, we put this together, we had a meeting last night, do PR for CCBMX. This is just a quick background on why we're asking for what you have before you which is the Harbor Bridge mitigation dollars for the Salinas Park BMX Track. NAPA is the federal law that says any big highway project like the new Harbor Bridge must first study its impacts on the neighborhoods and parks.
When they couldn't avoid or fully fix the loss of recreation space on the North Side, the law required compensatory mitigation, that's roughly about $29,000,000, to the make it right fund, that the city now controls. It's not discretionary, it's the exact money the feds made, TxDOT set aside because the bridge took parkland. The city already used I think 16 and a half million of it successfully on six other projects and trails. I know that a comment was made earlier that parks don't have kids in them, I'd encourage them to go to any park that I'm involved in including the future skate park that's gonna be at Billish Park on the island and you'll see something highly different. I am excited to say that a design was, we did come together and create a design.
If you see the cost of it, the cost that they came up with was $733,596. For a 100% design project that that would basically replace what was already there. We are asking and I'm asking the district representative in any at large.
Thank you Mr. Rios.
Councilman to please reach out because we'd like to make this part happen.
Mr. Rios. Kathy Fulton.
Hello, my name is Kathy Fulton and I live in Port Aransas, Texas. And I do want to say that I don't have a problem making that statement like a few other people appear to. I do want to say that I was born and raised in Corpus Christi. Okay? I don't live here now.
And I haven't lived in Corpus itself, but I've got plenty of family members that still do. What happens here with this council and decisions and things that the city does affects the surrounding areas as everybody knows. So I stay up on the meetings. I if I'm not here, believe me. I'm I'm stuck at home watching the whole thing through from the bitter beginning to the bitter end.
I I want to say the reason I'm here is I am very I very much oppose this item 15 and I don't think it should even be considered and I support mayor Wajardo and I don't understand why this what's going on here with some council members that seem to wanna have a a bit of a Caesar kinda play going on here. And so what I would like to say here is that it shouldn't be on the agenda, but it should just be ignored or put it done away with. This agenda item to me is smoke and mirrors on an issue that has already been said. It has no legal standing by not just law enforcement agencies, but by outside agencies hired by the city. And so what I suggest is that I want to admonish the council members that put this on the agenda.
But what I also suggest is that all this council, everybody stop their childish playground behavior and start working together to deal with the issues that need to be dealt with. And as we all know, water is one of them. There are different solutions being worked out for water, and I commend mister Zanoni and others for looking at multiple options. Nobody's looking at just one. So I think this council needs to get refocused, try to play nice with each other, and stop stabbing each other in the back because that's what's been going on and it affects us in Port Aransas.
And believe me, we're worried too. So we need to see cooperation and work together. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Fulton. Richard Pittman.
Mayor, council members, my name is Richard Pittman. I live in District 4 on Padre Island, and I've lived there since 1987. I'm here to talk about item number 15. I'm here to support my mayor,
your mayor,
our mayor, the mayor that we voted for. We have got problems in this world. We've got problems in this country. We've got problems in this city. The world and the country, I don't know how much control we have over.
Some, maybe. But we certainly have you certainly have control over what's going on in this city. A mayor cannot support and get things done if she's not supported. That goes the voters, and that goes with the council members. So I encourage you to support so we can get some things done.
I also and I can't really say it any better than the lady that I do not know well, a couple of them, actually. But the lady in the blue that talked about the church bells, I thought she expressed it perfectly. We need to get some things accomplished, and it's time to move on. This item number 15 needs to go away. And while I'm here, because I know I still have a little bit more time, I wanna speak in favor of the Inner Harbor desalinization facility.
I, most all my neighbors, all my colleagues are in favor of that project. It's been studied for years. It is time to move on. It is time to bring that to closure and for us to end up getting our water that we need here so desperately. So let's come together as a council. Let's get some things done, and let's get this water issue resolved. And I think there are many more people that are in favor of that Inner Harbor project than those that come to this council meeting and object against it. Thank you.
Thank you, mister Pittman. Alex Benavides.
Hello. Alex Benavides, District 3. The city the city charter, I'm here to speak on item 15, and this isn't political. But what what what we are is this isn't a political thing, but city councils for decades have been tying us to industry and selling us out. This is about new members that have come in, and they've seen business done as usual.
But the problem is that business done as usual has been corrupt. The the old guard and the old members that have been here for a very, very long time, they they thought that they can just push the push the new guys down and say, look. This is the way it's gonna be. But they're not staying quiet, and we we have to get rid of the corruption in this city. We've lost confidence in the mayor. We've we've seen the we we've seen all the videos. We know about the winking. We know how you give deals to your friends. It we we do gotta move forward as a city, as everybody is saying. But you can't move forward as a business when you leave a thief at your cash register.
You just can't. You have to remove it. It's a cancer. Right? So when you come if we're gonna move forward as a city, we have to do that.
Remove the cancer, remove the corruption, or else we can't really move forward. And the criminal burden of proof is what a lot of people for the mayor has been talking about, how they're they say there's nothing that's been done wrong. Well, burden of proof in a criminal court is much different than the burden of proof in an ethics committee. The burden of proof in a in a criminal law is so that we make sure that we don't put innocent people behind bars or punish them. But that the burden of proof for the unethical commission is to make sure that the the the the city residents are protected and protected from people who are selling out our interest to to anybody.
They're selling they're selling contracts to their we have councilmen voting for voting so that their companies get contracts to the city. We have politicians that are giving contracts to their donors. That's not what this is supposed to be about. And just because the new people came out and said, look, we're tired of seeing the corporation and we're gonna make it corruption and we're gonna make a change. I'd I'd say with all the old guard coming out and saying something, we can see where the problems have lied, and it's corruption from the very get go.
So I applaud the council people who council people who have come forward and say, I'm not scared to stand up. I have integrity. Even if that means four other council members on here who are all from the old side, who are are doing business as usual, and that corrupt. They're standing up saying we're we're not gonna allow that to happen to our citizens any longer. So I vote that or I would have, I ask that you guys vote to see this through and let the, ethics committee take care of business. Thanks. Have a good day.
Thank you. Matthew Rankin.
Matthew Rankin, Corpus Christi, blatantly armed media. Gonna do constitution one zero one and talk about the city attorney today. But to start things off, as I promised, yesterday, I filed charges for criminal oppression against the mayor of Corpus Christi. Corpus PD made that a little difficult because they refused to even take the report, so I had to go a little higher up the chain. I'll keep you guys up to date whenever that process goes forward, what developments there are.
So Miles has told you guys if you wrote a rule down, it's a rule, and it has to be filed. You're pharaoh, so let it be written, so let it be done. That's not the way the constitution works. It's not the way state law works. So I'm gonna give you some examples, scenarios you can ask him to test his knowledge on what's legal and what's not. You guys require a name and address when coming up here. Maybe one day Jason could talk long enough to give you the case law, but I'll tell you that it involves witness protection, retaliation cases, and domestic violence victims who fear retaliation or stalkers coming after them, which is why you don't have to give your name and address.
But let's
take it a little bit farther. Can you write a decorum rule saying when I come up here, I have to give you my date of birth. I have to give you my social, my phone number, password to my Facebook account. If you write it as a rule, they'll have to do it. So let it be written. You say we have to come up to the podium and address you by title. Can the mayor change her name to Der Fuehrer? And when I come up to the podium, I have to give a little salute. Do can you do that? I don't think so.
Probably not. No clapping for the audience. That's probably one of the few things that's legal for you guys to actually have the decorum rules. But can you make a decorum rule saying that when the mayor speaks, you have to clap? There's dictators in history, quite a few of them, that it's a little apocryphal stories where the first person to stop clack clapping got sent to the gulag, that kind of thing.
So can you require somebody to come up here and clap? So I see there's pretty much three reasons possible for why Miles is telling you this kind of stuff. One, he's just an idiot. Two would be that he's telling you what you wanna hear. In that case, he's violated his oath he took when he joined the bar because he's ignoring case law.
Three would be he's one of the dozens of city attorneys around this country who favor tyranny if it increases their power or increases the power of the city government. See his local government as the people serve them instead of the other way around. I don't know which one it is, but ask them the questions. Find out for yourself.
Selena Obregon Penevides. Selena Obregon Penevides. Jesus oh, I'm sorry.
Selena Obregon Benavides, District three. Every time we start a council meeting, there's always a prayer. And I can only assume it's because of tradition and not for any reverence of the God of the bible because the bible is really explicit on how to treat immigrants. Yet, we welcomed ICE into our community. They say, if you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it.
And I thought it was universally understood that what happened with the Gestapo and Nazi Germany was an atrocity. Yet we welcomed ICE into our community. It's not a secret that children are going missing. People are being denied health care. Children are being raped. Let me say that again. Children are being raped in these detention centers getting pregnant, but we welcomed ICE into our community. Shame on us. Let me read a scripture. Psalms one forty six nine.
The lord watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the way of the wicked, and may he continue to do that. Thank you.
Thank you. Jesus Hiladio. Henry Williams.
Henry Williams, District 1, and my respect to the mayor, city managers, city council members. I had written some notes as to what I wanted to speak concerning, but what came to mind to me was from the gospel of John chapter eight. And in the gospel of John chapter eight, these people came to Jesus, and they brought a woman to to him, and they said she has been caught in the act of adultery. The law says that we should stone her. What do you say?
And Jesus was riding in the on the ground, and he picked up some stones.
he said, let him who is without stone, let him cast the first stone at her. And they all began to walk out. And the woman and Jesus said to the woman, where are those who condemn you? And she said, they're not here. And he said, neither do I condemn you.
Go and sin no more. K? I think we must be very, very careful about casting stones. The water problem, if we will pray and if we will be a people of prayer, god will solve our problems. There's a scripture, second chronicles seven fourteen, if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven who'll forgive their sin and will heal their land.
We need to pray and ask God to bring healing to our land and to our city. We are the body of Christ and we must conduct ourselves accordingly. And I would also like to add that the the water project of David Amesworth and missus Anoni, we spoke of that. If you replace that on the agenda for the coming week. God bless you all. Thank you.
Thank you, reverend Zachary Bornstein Bornstein.
Good afternoon. Zachary Bornstein, district one. I stand before you to address a critical oversight in our long term infrastructure planning. For too long, we have witnessed the squandering of physical and natural resources on short term fixes while neglecting the fundamental necessity of water security. The abundance of a robust large scale seawater desalination strategy is a failure of oversight that our community can no longer afford. We must stop spending and instead commit to a definite plan for a saltwater desalination plant that ensures a resilient and independent water future. Strategic investment, especially from our own partners, is something we need years ago. However, that was an oversight and neglected, not by the people, but by the one person who was elected by the people. Can you please play my video?
But the bottom line is is that we are committed to, the city's permitting process. We want to help you in any way we can, if you choose to solicit our help. I know that the port worked very well with the city back during the days of the Mary Rhodes pipeline. In fact, our our staffs who engineered and built the pipeline. So I think there's a lot we can offer the city with their desal plans if you want it. If not, we're here standing by hoping you get your permit wherever you want it. Commissioner I
I don't there is no working together. Again, we're we we we are not going to the port and building docks. So we're unclear as to why the port is coming over this side to try to build desal with no customer.
And we're not trying to build desal. We're just going for a permit for the city to use if you so choose. That's all we're doing. Yeah. Just an alternative. I don't know how we can be more clear on that mayor.
Thank you.
Christina Christina McCabe.
Christina McKay, District One. Facebook is for pictures of your grandkids and for promposals. It is not meant for making government announcements. It's also two weeks out, and I haven't been able to find the special desol meeting the mayor announced on Facebook, anywhere on this city website, so that's confusing. I also don't wanna be friends with the mayor on Facebook to be able to follow the city.
I'd like to encourage the council and mayor to take item 15 seriously. Please dismiss perceptions of community drama or personal feelings you may hold about the people involved. Instead, focus on the fact that each signature on this petition represents a person who is trying to communicate with you. Each name is a person expressing that they do not want to be represented by a documented liar. I'd also like to remind everyone that Bill Clinton was not impeached for having an affair, for participating in sexual relations, or even for sexual harassment or abuse of power.
Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, lying under oath during a deposition. We often remember him ultimately beating that case, but collectively we forget that he was fined over a $100,000 and his law license was suspended. He received consequences. I will not apologize for wanting to spend time or money in pursuit of ethical governments. I also noticed that the mayor didn't comment on the outburst after the mention of Rachel Cabello's work in the community.
Selective enforcement of decorum is a hallmark of this body. Public comment should be held on Monday evening, Tuesday at noon and at each item. Virtual participants should have equal access at each of the time we're able to do it and it's discussing that we don't.
Richard Gabala.
Hello.
Twenty years, Since we saved all those jobs for the wastewater plants twenty years ago. Could you use $750,000,000? I know we the water issue could. In 1930 1929, there was an anomaly in the oceans that created surface temperatures that exploded. What ensued was the dust ball that lasted lasted approximately eleven to thirteen years.
After that thirteen years, the rains came. Move forward to now. There was an anomaly in The Gulf in 2010. NOAA says the last eleven years are the hottest on record after 2010, since 2010. This is a 10 state problem.
There are aquifers, there are rivers, there are reservoirs that are that are hitting Deadpool. We're not the only ones. The the people that caused that anomaly in The Gulf set aside $750,000,000 for an emergency environmental issue that may come up in the future. If this isn't that if this isn't that problem, then I'm barking up the wrong tree. And I hope that, city attorneys look into this because it's there. It's still there, and it could be more than 750,000,000 So I just hope you go after it.
Thank you
mister talk about. Right?
Jason Hale.
Thank you mayor. Good afternoon council members. Jason Hale, Corpus Christi. Today, I want to talk about economic growth, the future of Corpus, and I also wanted to promote an event on clean energy that is coming up. Alright.
So water is a resource we talk about a lot, But one resource I don't think we talk about enough is the climate, specifically the stability of the climate. Today, I'm gonna try to combine the two of them. So, for example, with water, you don't want desalination brine to accumulate in the bays to the point to where it becomes toxic to aquatic wildlife. Right? Well, similar to that, we don't want greenhouse gases accumulating in the atmosphere because it traps heat, and it disrupts climate patterns that we've become accustomed to.
We're not sure if brine will accumulate in the bay, but we are sure that greenhouse gases are accumulating in the atmosphere. It's a problem. It's bad. It's coming from us. We know it is. The good news is that we can do something to keep it from getting worse. The tough part of that is our climate resources are shared with the entire world, and it's hard to get everyone to share it responsibly. For example, can you imagine if anyone could come here to Corpus and use all the water they want without having to manage it sustainably? It'd be chaos. Right?
So if climate is a serious problem, and if everyone wants to take it seriously, how would that affect our economy? I want a bright future for Corpus. Right? And I want a stable climate. And I think, you know, a big part of that for Corpus is having sustainable economic growth.
So I guess the question that I would like all of us to think about is what would a climate friendly economy look like in corpus? And if that's where we want to go, how do we get there? Anyways, I think the most important thing is not trying to like cram solutions or force solutions on the people, but to have conversations, so we can come to a consensus about the problem and the solutions that we prefer for tackling that. So, if that's something you're interested in, or want to learn more about, I want to invite everyone to an event we're having on clean energy on Monday. It's at Lazy Beach Brewery downtown from 6PM to 8PM, and we'll be talking about offshore wind farms, battery storage, and solar.
Like I said, everyone's invited to come out, And if you're like me and you don't like to drink alcohol that often, they also have really good root beer. I had, like, three or four the last time I was there. Anyways, that's it. Thanks.
Thank you, mister Hale. Eshik David?
Thirty five seconds. Mayor, council, city manager, city staff, and members of this community, you can play my video, please. Thank you.
It it should not be so difficult for us to to work with another entity that is willing to pony up half the expense for this. And it it should it should be in our best interest not to put all that risk on our ratepayers. This is a this is
a good thing. Mhmm. I'll leave that at that.
So my comment is the first time we brought this and this time we bring this, we we brought this in a spirit of let's sit down and work through this and try to come up with a working document that we could all agree to and send over to the Port Of Corpus Christi to see if we could get their support for it. But we're we have not been provided an opportunity to do that. All we've been provided is, no, you can't do this. We don't wanna talk about this. We don't wanna have any collaboration with the port.
I'm gonna say to the listening public out here, this is an opportunity that we're missing. This is an opportunity for us to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars with the Port Of Corpus Christi helping us pay for this, and we're gonna sit here today and vote against having that opportunity. We're gonna vote against voting for because I know what the outcome's gonna be because the mayor's been talking to everybody in Corpus Christi about this since she found out about it, but this is gonna be an opportunity that this city council is going to once again pass up for us to be able to save the taxpayers of this city millions of dollars.
K. Thank you. One last comment.
Okay. No. No. I'm we're we're gonna you've spoke I've only spoken once. K. So we're gonna go and call the vote. I've spoken Rebecca, take a roll call, please. We're we're calling vote. Please.
Take a
roll call. We we still have questions here. I mean, they don't talk to the court that we don't hear things from them as well.
Vote on this and move forward. You guys put it on, we're voting. Fine. Rebecca, please take a roll call.
Okay. So just it's a motion to approve the MOU, right, that was attached to
the agenda. Second.
Okay. We have a motion and a second. Rebecca?
Okay. So for a roll call vote, council member Hernandez.
Hunter?
After waiting for seven and a half years for desal and following five and a half years before that for any progress in desal in the city, I have to vote yes.
Okay. Presley?
Yes. Okay. No problem. Roy? No. Suckley?
Yes. Barrera?
No. Mayor Wahrabdo?
No. Okay. The item fails. Great. Thank you.
Mayor, what exactly was great about that? That meeting was several years ago. Your incompetence did not just squander millions of dollars, it squandered something far more valuable, time, years and fact. You.
Tina Butler.
Tina Butler, District 3. Actually, I don't even know where to start. I came down here about something else, but after listening all these housewives of Corpus Christi that showed up today, I I I it's just unbelievable. But if the desal was in their backyard, I doubt that they will be coming down here and making these comments today. But my reason for coming here today is to ask the question of how does recipients of the arts and grant be able to promote on the city's website as one of the only entities are being able to do right now.
The association that I'm a part of, we have received the grant for the past four or five years. We've never been allowed to advertise on the city's website, so I'm wondering how and I'm talking about bait jamming. Nothing against mister Nelson. I'm just wondering how we can get on there as well. And not only us, any of the other recipients of the of the HOT grant.
How how does one get on there? Now I have asked the staff, and I know that they have to go up the chain, but sometime that chain is very, very slow. My event is in June. We bring over 23,000 people to this festival, the only African American Juneteenth festival, coastal being wide. We are bringing Grammy nominated and recipients, artists to this city, and we don't even get funding from the city or sponsorship.
Well, I'll take that back. I did get $500 one year, but I'm spending more than that in my park fees. I'm putting three hotels on blocks for people that are coming to the city, but we don't get city support. So I wanna know how do we get on the city's website. And like I said, nothing against that.
I have worked with mister Dodd. He does work with us as well. But this year, we are bringing an even larger person who has been doing a lot of stuff for the city of Houston who did not get contracted this year, and we were able me and my daughter were able to get him for the city of Corpus Christi. So we expect a big influx of people to this area. I've always worked with Omni, but I and that was my question that I had, but I also wanna make this comment as well.
For the people who are here on behalf of the of the of the mayor, and as I said before, the housewife, and you talked about the quorum, everything is always supposed to be directed to the mayor. So one thing is that young man I've seen two people that came up here that did that did not give their name or their district. I've seen some that said they don't even live here, and they got three minutes. Let that man speak so he can get out what he needs to say. And for the other ones that came up here and said, shame to the other females out here because they did not write something in the community. Shame on her. Because she just sat up there and talked about that gentleman that just came up here with the hair. What happened to your hair? Shame on her. And shame on the rest of them sitting with her. Call the decorum back there.
Okay. Miss Butler, if Peter, could you address what her I mean, not in this moment, but can you have somebody speak with miss Butler?
I'll work with Robert Dodd. So she's referring to grants that we have funded with hotel occupancy tax, And she sounds like her agency may be a recipient and wants to advertise the event probably Juneteenth on the city's on the city's website similar to Bay Jam. And so we'll look into it.
That was any of her issues that she has some questions. If if we can please get with her.
Right. Yeah. Look at
Resolve that
thing. Call you. Miss Butler? Yeah. We'll call you.
Mhmm. Alright. Thank you, Peter. Robin Cox.
I'm Robin Cox, District 3, and it is good to see all the old oligarch here and since everybody giving that they've lived here for fifty years, what their kids are doing, I guess I'm not even a first generation here. My son doesn't live here. He is a graduate of UT, all fighting in the United States Marine Corps infantry, so the rest of you can all be safe. That man before didn't get a thank you for his service, so I'm thanking him right now. I have a video to play if you can please play it.
$2,000,000 has been appropriated to a company that is owned by your political donors. Right?
Objection, form.
Argument. Yeah. An an incentive has been appropriated for an economic development project. Of which they're owned of of which the developer are my donors. Okay. $2,000,000.
And your city manager and your assistant city manager have testified that in their opinion, and I know you know they're not you you don't think they're qualified, but in their opinion, it's a forgery. Right? Right? You've seen that testimony. Yes. And you've seen the testimony where Peter, I know you think he's not qualified, but he says, law was broken. Right? He said there was an appearance of the law. Okay. And so And then, of course, Ajeet came in front of you twice and made the accusation as well. Twice. Right? And showed you where the document, where the federal FEMA website had been altered. He showed that to you. Right?
And, all of those things have happened, and you've told me that the only person that's qualified to investigate it and make a determination about whether or not there's been a crime is somebody in law enforcement. Right? Yes. Okay. So, are you going to turn it over to law enforcement to be investigated? I No. Okay. That's all I have.
Thank you.
Alright.
Anything from me? Any other questions?
When Councilman Barbera is laughing, he's not laughing, I've said this before, at the attorney. He's laughing at every one of the taxpayers. He's laughing as I got away with it. This is insulting. And y'all call me disgusting. And for those of you who've come up here, people, and said that your voters are gonna see you, I want you to know something about the voters in Corpus. There is a reason there are five Walmarts and one Julian Gold. So there's a lot more of common people, single moms, and working class people. For the lady who spoke about the church, I'm a good Christian, but I gotta tell you in the words of my dad, just because you stand in a church every Sunday doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a Cadillac. Thank you.
Trevor Sloeck.
Trevor Slowick, Corpus Christi. Play the tape, please.
Oh, definitely. Right. It was all done. And then when you read the entire PowerPoint, it's so it's so obvious that the the reader or the writer wanted one to be led to believe that the FEMA was just recent, even where it's like recently released and this and that. And part of it goes back to the narrative. Mike Culberson said, hey. You know, we can't this has to be tied to infrastructure. Infrastructure. And so then they they catch the scheme that, okay. FEMA floodplain, that's infrastructure. You know, the the the the fixing the bottom floor so that it meets the floodplain, and they stuck with it.
Got it.
And then they then they then they develop a narrative narrative to fit it that they just found out because people would say like, shit. They should have known about this long time ago.
After review of the presentations, deposition testimony, investigative materials, and applicable Texas and federal penal statutes, The PowerPoint slide at issue appears to have been intentionally altered to cover the dates that appear on the government website.
You agree that documents were altered. There's no doubt about that.
The the screenshot was definitely altered. Yes.
Did it look intentional? Can you, as a police officer I mean, you look at stuff like this. You can say
So it would be hard to argue that it was not.
Thank you.
Let let the city council know that there were there were some, you know, some improper information, some tampering, and all that involved also. You let them know?
I let them know. We're gonna let them know again tomorrow in executive session. I have I already have an executive session posted.
And then you go on. You said that, however, because the council wanted this on the agenda for them to consider, it's on. And so my question to you is when you are saying in that conversation with Achid that the council wanted it on the agenda, who are you
referring to? Yeah. I'm not for certain, but I know the mayor and I think possibly had were were okay with the issue at hand of the of not having an explanation and wanted to proceed with having it on.
Both of them, you had informed them that there had been this altering or tampering or forging of a federal document, but they were still willing to support it. Right? Correct. I think what you're telling me is during that time frame, you were not in the loop as to what the findings were for the investigation.
Correct.
And so therefore you had no knowledge that it was something illegal in the process that you were voting on.
Right. There was Okay. Okay.
It was apparent from, reviewing all of the, different depositions and statements that mister Ramirez was taking responsibility for the presentation of the altered item.
Thank you, mister Sloeck. Let's see here. Stephanie, you wanna check if we had check to see if we've got Adam Alanis?
Yes, ma'am. We do have quite a few, virtual and phone individuals online. First, we have up Sean Merritt. Sean, are you present still?
Yes, ma'am. I'm here. Can you hear me?
Yes, sir. Please state your name, your city, and your comment.
Sean Merritt, district five, and I was actually gonna try to finish on my DSL talk, but I have a more important subject to talk about. I'm medically retired from the United States military. I took a oath to defend the constitution of this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that oath doesn't end when you leave service, and it doesn't stop at the doors of this council chamber. Today, this council is considering a petition for removal. That makes what happens in this room matter because accountability starts here. Over the past two years living here, I've watched the same patterns play out. Citizens sign up. They follow the process. They wait their turn.
And when they step forward, they're required to publicly state their name and home address just to speak even though you already have that info, even though you just called their name. That's redundancy, and it creates a choice that shouldn't exist. Speak up or keep your privacy. People shouldn't have to make that choice. And then once they do speak, here's what actually happens. A citizen wanted to use his three minute minutes to talk about aliens. He signed up properly. He was respectful. He had been trying to speak for weeks. He was shut down and run off.
People in this room had been told that they would be removed for clapping, for chuckling, even for rolling their eyes. And a citizen speaking about domestic violence in this city just last week was called disgusting twice. And others have been pushed until they lose their cool, and then they're removed by police or taken to jail. These are not hypotheticals. These are events that have happened in this room. Texas government code 551Dot007 is clear. You cannot prohibit public criticism of this body. And once you open this floor, the First Amendment applies. The Supreme Court said in Cohen versus California, offensive protected speech. That means the standard isn't whether something is like.
It's whether it actually disrupts the meeting. You can address real disruption, but you cannot provoke it and then use it as a justification to remove somebody. That line matters because when it's crossed, people stop speaking, not because they have nothing to say, but because they know what will happen if they do. This council isn't here to be comfortable. It's here to be accountable.
The people don't come here to serve your ego. You were elected to serve everyone in this city and uphold your oath to the constitution, to the state, and of this nation. Nobody wants chaos, but we are demanding accountability to the people of this city, apply the rules evenly, remove redundancy, respect the rights of everyone in this room because the moment people feel they cannot speak freely in this room is the moment this government stops being accountable to the very people who elected you and put you in those high chairs that you're sitting in right now. And that is a line that should never never ever be crossed. Thank you for my time.
Okay. Next, we have Rachel Caballero.
Hello?
Yes, ma'am. Go ahead and begin your comment.
Rachel Caballero, d one. I am the petitioner, the individual who filed the petition to remove mayor Paulette Guajardo. I have not been paid nor was I asked to do this. I love my community. I fight for my community, and the truth will be exposed.
A lot of the information received by the first timer public commenters, they are, uninformed, and we'll leave it at that. The city charter violations, this is section one a one, two, and three of article two, show these are rules set by the council. This is the city charter. Willful violations of any code of ethics or conflicts of interest. Any prohibition of this charter, misconduct, malfeasance, incompetence, inability, or willful neglect, performance of official duties.
These are all thing that apply to this petition. We if we want a better represent rep better representatives, then we have to demand it because we are not receiving the representation that we deserve as a community. This is not political theater. This is exposing the truth for what it is. We've been attending these meetings.
We see the behaviors. We have the facts. We have the proof, and this is why we would like to proceed with the petition to remove the mayor. There we have a lot of things happening, but we still have car washes being opened. So business is continuing, and this is part of business right now. We there's a code of ethics that we must require from elected representatives, and we are not getting that. We are not getting that, and we deserve this representation. Our community is worth fighting for. Our taxpayer dollars are worth fighting for. We deserve truth, honesty, and accountability, and we are not getting that.
And I ask the the the city council members to please move forward with this petition so that we can demand better from our elected represent representatives. This has been a very difficult journey having to get this done, and we need accountability. Now is the time. Thank you.
All right. Next up is Taylor Johnson.
Good afternoon. Taylor Johnson, District five. If you could play the video that I provided.
After I interviewed Philip, I did that same evening, I believe, have a conversation with the mayor on the phone, and councilman Pusley was there either in the room or in a three way column, not a 100% sure. But that was after the meeting with Philip. And so I explained to the mayor that Philip, who would be the only one that could explain what happened to this document, could not explain it. And so there was an obvious change in the document from the website to the PowerPoint. And the only person well, there are probably two people that could have explained it.
One was Mike Culberson and his team, and then the second one would be Philip Ramirez and his team. And I believe we had a conversation with Mike Culberson to rule him out and actually ask for a copy of his PowerPoint presentation. And who created it? Did he create it or did Philip Ramirez create it? And Culberson said that the PowerPoint was created by Philip Ramirez sent to Mike Culberson, who did nothing to change it, and just placed it into a template that had EDC heading on it. That's why we ruled out Culberson as somebody that may be aware of or may may have changed the document and then started working with Philip Ramirez as the sole person that would know, should know what happened to the document.
And what you just told me is what you told the mayor Correct. In the phone call soon after the meeting with Philip.
Correct.
And it's the same information you also told to Councilman Pusley?
Correct. On that phone call that he was on. Okay. Did
you also let them know and the mayor at the same time frame, same phone call
Mhmm.
That you were not satisfied with the explanation?
I did. Okay.
So at that point in time, then you are still communicating to both of them that this is something you cannot recommend?
That, yes, and that they should be concerned about
it. Yep.
Thank you. That's all.
Alright. Next is Tracy Jank. I apologize for my butchering your last name. I'm sure.
That's okay. Good afternoon, Tracy Jank. Corpus Christi District 5, and I'd ask the video submitted be played at this time.
It sounds like though the mayor never offered any argument to you as to why she was because let me back up. We see the mayor at the first reading repeatedly telling councilman Hunter, it's changed, it's changed, it's changed. She's clearly advocating during the meeting for passage of this ordinance, right? Right. And you made it clear that she was communicating with you between the February meeting and the April meeting that she was communicating with you about wanting to get it back on the agenda.
Correct. And that the mayor was also communicating with you in that same time window and letting you know that even though it's a federally altered document, it's she's supporting it. Correct. Okay. I mean, did without an explanation on why it is that she was supporting a ordinance that had the taint of forgery on it. Mhmm. Did did you ever come to any opinion about why she would be doing that? Why the mayor would be doing that?
No, I did not. I did not.
Speaking, most of the hoteliers in town were against Proposition A? Yes. Okay. And do you remember that there was one hotelier who was for it and that was Devin Bachta?
I don't know if it's one but I know he was for it as Philip was.
Right. Yeah. Philip and Bakhta, Devin Bakhta, both supported proposition a, as did the mayor. Correct. Yeah. And on that signature attempt at passing the signature for the mayor, she she made a big deal out of it being her baby. Right?
Not necessarily, but she supported yeah. Yeah. She made a big deal out of it.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Hi. I'm mayor Paul ette Wajardo. Proposition a is on the November ballot. Early voting begins Monday, October 23 through Friday, November 3, or you can also vote on election day, Tuesday, November 7. Go to cctexas.com/propositiona for more details.
I guess that's it. Next on our list is captain Dave Heasley.
you hear me?
Yes, sir. Go ahead.
Okay. Can you hear me now? I'm sorry. Hello?
Yes. Go ahead.
Okay. Thank you. I'm I'm captain Dave Heasley, District 3, fifty five year resident of Corpus Christi. The protocol to meet city requirements to remove a mayor in Corpus Christi must prove three things, misconduct, incompetence, or malfeasance, which is intentionally wrongful acts of public official. It involved deliberate, misconduct, dishonesty, abuse of power such as bribery, embezzlement, and fraud.
Mayor Wajardo Wajardo spent about a $130,000 plus, campaigning promising Corpus Christi citizens, she was gonna bring Costco here. She was gonna bring Bass Pro Shops here. But in the same, in the same breath and in the same ads all over TV, all over Corpus Christi, she failed to mention that bringing Bass Pro Shops here was gonna cost the taxpayers 40,000,000 plus dollars, that they were gonna have to wait forty years to get the money back. I think that, that falls under, the dishonest part. Stage four water.
We're in a serious drought. Serious drought. She votes yes to build a $9,000,000 swimming pool. Also voted yes to drill water wells next to the Ballard Pits, a very well known toxic waste dump from the sixties where refineries and oil field companies and everybody else were dumping these chemicals into this 360 plus acre open top pit. They drilled these wells right next to it and then start pumping that water into the Nueces River and into our water supply.
I believe that falls under incompetence and probably even worse. I think it should fall under a criminal act in my opinion. I didn't wanna get involved. I'm a busy guy. I'm running two different companies, and I got three different jobs.
But when I watched this woman be rape and belittle and censor and shut down these people that are the very people that that voted for her in the beginning, I voted for her when she first came in. I had big big promise for her. I've been in I've even been been some selfies with her. But after seeing the way she treats these people, they are complaining because of her bad behavior, and then she just shuts them down. I believe that that falls a 100% on her underneath our claws of of malfeasance because in the beginning and and she's she's a 100% denying their rights to free speech for she's, you know, she goes all in on this, tells everybody about Bass Pro Shops with very little very little information on it.
Kingsville's in or, Harlingen's in a big lawsuit now over that deal. It didn't they didn't generate sales price.
Concludes your time?
That's three minutes?
Yes, sir. Okay. Our next public speaker is Nishi George.
Can you please state my presentation?
Tanya 4,710 Hackel. I come before you today because I'm really appalled that our city is being sued. It's being sued because of all the lack of process from this council. Our illustrious mayor is named 31 times in this lawsuit. Also, one of the things that really bothered me in looking at this lawsuit is that it says mayor Paulette Wajardo privately solicited a fellow councilman's vote during the public meeting in violation of Texas government code section five hundred fifty one point zero two one and five hundred fifty one point one four three.
You know, to me, you are the keepers of the process of Corpus Christi. Your job is not to run the city, it's to set up policy. I was also appalled that council member Barrera went on television and chaistatized the city manager, which would to me is a violation in itself for publicly reprimanding an employee in public on television. So it seems to me that this council people need to go back and review what their job is to set policy not to run the city. Set policy not to run the city.
So I'm very appalled at this behavior. I'm grateful that the person filing the lawsuit is not asking for money from the taxpayers. He's making a request to get it straightened out in your process. It's a shame that we the citizens have to go through this extreme in order to get things done by this council and especially the people who I've named. So have
a great day. You too Miss Saldrania.
Thank you.
Alright. We will next move to phone comments. And first up is Laura Madden.
Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
Yes. We can hear you.
Laura Madden, District 1. I'm gonna read a quote from, Joe Biden. Proption is a cancer, a cancer that eats away at a citizen's face in democracy diminishes the instinct for innovation and creativity. We really need to take a a closer look at that, especially with what's going on with the citizens in this community. Let get to my notes here.
This petition that is presented today is worthy of discussion and or action by this council in a timely manner. This petition should have been addressed months ago. This is an injustice to our community by ignoring it. This petition is addressing misconduct, and I ask that you address that too. All of the research, attorneys, PD, FBI, etcetera, only scrutinized a home with sweeps for any wrongdoing.
They did not look at nor did they conclude or clear up anything about council members' wrongdoing. And since they were bad enough, I'm asking for respect to be shown to this community. Respect is earned, not given, and, unfortunately, it's up to us to earn it. This isn't the town square where our citizens come to be shamed, mocked, humiliated, or flogged. Please remember, mics may be on, and we can hear you.
I understand that although it may be difficult at times to maintain composure and professionalism, there is no whole path to bully behavior from our public servant. All eyes are on you. You were elected to hold a public office, administer your government duties, and represent the public interest, not force us into a battle because you sit there and now act as if we are voiceless. To be honest, decisions need to be made by this council whether or not there is enough evidence to move forward with this petition. Citizens are talking about the noise.
You simply cannot keep moving forward by turning up the volume. We need to be heard, considered, and supported. There are too many projects, too much money moving around for one person to keep track of. We ask that you are a unified city that clearly knows what direction we're going. This is about ethics. These are the facts. We are going to contend are we gonna continue to overlook this behavior? Where is your integrity? It is not I'm not here to convince you, but to ask you to make the right decision and let this petition proceed. We know that perjury has been committed depositions that were taken as a joke.
Wink. Wink. At a minimum, this council should vote yes on this petition and follow through or make a recommendation to turn this over to an ethics committee, whomever that may be, so that as a council, you can proceed with your focus on the issues we know you desperately want to solve. Thank you, and have a great day.
Next is Jennifer Aguirre. Hello? Yes. We can hear you. Go ahead.
Okay. Hello. My name is Jennifer of D Day District 1 And 3. I was aware of I was unaware of all the corrupt correction, mismanagement, and oversell of the water until I started the Kennedy City Council meeting. We could no longer allow any of these behaviors to continue. We need a leader, not a follower, not someone who has been paid for or bought. To misuse one's authority is not acceptable whatsoever. She's had long enough to come up with the solution with all her fellow members. However, all her eggs were put into one basket, the Inner Harbor. You have had years to do research to find the most reliable and responsible way to get us water.
However, industry comes before people to certain council members. We are now stealing water from our neighbors. We cannot trust someone who has allowed family, not once, but multiple times to get away with certain things. No accountability. We need to move forward with a true leader, someone who truly loves our city, not someone building a mansion in Quamal County ready to hit the road when all else fell.
Being a leader is more than smiling and taking pictures with people in the community just for life. It's about truly caring about the residents and listening to what they come here to sing. The difference between us is that you get paid for your position. We do not. The least you can do is listen to every resident that comes in with any city concern. We need a new leader. You can't work as a team with someone who has been bought, someone who was voted in when she was against Inner Harbor, but has a change of heart. That's my comment.
Alright. Thank you. Next up is Alberto Zartichie.
Can you hear me?
Yes. We can. Go ahead.
Albert Sartucci, District 3, owner of Hardlife's Bait and Tackle. I can remember seeing Paulette running for office saying she would be against the Inner Harbor desal plant. Now years later, she's been fighting hard to for screwing over the city, selling out to industries. We have seen too many times where our city council sold us out to industries for too long. The mayor should have been fighting for our city the way she promised.
She started paying attention. We have started paying attention, and we, the people, have started to fight for our city because that's why this is up on your agenda. We are tired of the corruption, and those who continue to be enablers of this situation, we are being more proactive. Because unlike several city taxpayers who are very well off and don't have to worry about how they're gonna pay their next water bill or light bill or property bill, we do. As the Inner Harbor diesel plant gets forced upon us, we know that the everything's gonna increase especially on us.
Remember, 25,000,000 gallons of this pre water was presold to industry. That means the city is only gonna get 5,000,000 gallons of that. How's that fair to the city, taxpayers to front the whole bill and have to deal with this experimental project? Will it destroy the bay? Furthermore, what are all the the businesses and local family owned business gonna do when it destroys the bay that we depend on?
I I have multiple I have asked multiple times for the city council to answer these questions. What is the daily, monthly, and yearly cost to maintain this inner experimental Inner Harbor desal plant? All they have is the initial cost. They don't have the cost to removal of the sludge, hazardous materials that it will create. These are numbers that we need to know now, not when you vote on putting it in and screwing us with this.
We need it now. Blind under oath, selective decorum on comments, enforcement, blocking speakers when they are trying to address women abuse and domestic violence is more than corruption. When will it stop? Hopefully, we can stop here with the mayor and show it's the time of selling out our city to industries is over. We are seeing when the mayor refuses to listen to city taxpayers, continues to listen to protect her friends. This shows us, city taxpayers, we are not her friends. We must make a change, and this is gonna last a lot longer than today's decision. November is coming up fast. We will be voting. We will be voting for those who continue to protect our city and make true growth and make the right choices.
We can start cleaning up the corruption in our city council, and we will support those who helped fight for our city. We will not forget, and you can see now that's why it's here because we are paying attention. And more of us are starting to show up to these meetings, and those that couldn't at least signed up, and you know they are against this corruption. Time to remove the mayor. Let's start there, and then we'll remove everybody else's behalf.
Mister Serticher. That will conclude our public comment.
Well, actually, I have we have one person online. We're not sure which who it is based on their phone number. It could either be Amanda Guetta or, Julian Hernandez. If you have not if you're online and you have not spoken yet, can you please speak up? Okay.
They may have dropped offline.
Okay. That will conclude our public comment, and we are going to go into I'm gonna do the consent go through the consent agenda. Are there any requests from the council to pull any item for discussion? Items three through 14? Seven. Number seven. Eight. Any other
ones? No. Item
12. Eleven and fourteen. Eleven fourteen. 14. Okay. Is there any request from the public to any item for public comment outside of items seven, eight, eleven, twelve, and 14?
Just confirmation. Item seven, please,
mayor. Okay.
Mayor
Any I'm sorry.
Yes. We're gonna with we're gonna pull 14 for this week, and we'll bring it back. This is a little bit more work that has to be done out. That's the financial policies.
So item number 14. Okay. The financials, so we're
gonna pull that.
Bring back the next council meeting.
So we don't need to pull okay. Great. So we've got items seven eleven I'm sorry. Seven eight eleven and twelve pulled. So I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda with the exception of those items I just mentioned.
So moved.
No. We're gonna pull 10? Okay. I'm gonna add 10 to that. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The motion carries. Item number seven is a zoning case number ZN8771. Was that councilwoman? No. Who pulled number seven? Councilman Kentu, your question or comment?
What city staff on this, Peter? Nobody's here?
Here they come.
Good afternoon, mayor and council. Yvette Wallace, interim director of development services. Would you like for me to go through the presentation again?
No. Let's ask yeah. Let's the councilman can ask his question
or comment. The pet I I think they filed some I don't know. Petition or what. Have y'all got any more feedback on this property from residents since the first vote?
So, yes, sir. We received opposition yesterday, additional opposition. So we are now up to officially 16 opposed, and 10 of those 16 count for opposition based on the area of notice and the land ownership. That takes it to a super majority vote, which is 22.84%.
What does that mean?
It means 22.8484 of the area of notice is opposed to this rezoning.
Was there anybody for it? Like, did you get
We received no nobody in favor.
Got you. So with that being said, you guys can't do something with it, pull it, or anything like that?
So the item still moves forward. It just takes a super majority vote for consideration if council wishes to approve the request for the c n one with an SP.
Because I've been getting a lot of, feedback on this, last week and this week, emails, phone calls. There's a lot of residents on that street that don't want that to turn into commercial property. I wouldn't buy there myself. It's I don't think I wouldn't wanna live there if something like that was right next door. I didn't vote for this the last time, but I just I was just just entertaining to see if anybody on this council would like to to reconsider this agenda item. Thank you.
Councilwoman Campos. Thank
you. Thank you so much. I was not present last week, but I think all of us did receive our packet from Roberto Garcia representing Sandra Garcia. Okay. So, I agree. I mean, I agree with councilman Cantu. I will not be supporting this at this time. I I think we it it looks obvious. I mean, from what this information from the information that we received, it does look like mister Luby is moving forward with with another intent, not what he had described to staff. So I will not be supporting this.
I didn't I was not here the first time, but that would be a no. So that's at least two. Councilman Valletta.
Yeah. I I I think there's some public comment that's here, and I'd I'd like to hear from them as well before we, make a decision.
From you?
I'm sorry.
There's somebody here for comment. I think mister Garcia, who provide this packet with us, is planning to comment on it.
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. He is.
But I know you have another council I'm I'm I'm not I'm just saying that before I move forward, I I just want
We'll bring you
we'll bring back up. Yep.
Councilwoman Paxton. Thank you, mayor.
What are the options? Because we certainly we certainly prioritize hearing from the community. And so between reading one and now, having this new information is important to take into consideration. So what are the options on the property going forward if this doesn't pass?
So if it doesn't pass, the use that's there today stays existing nonconforming. So the use of his structure that is there is nonconforming and has been there since 1953. And just for clarification, when mister Luby came in originally, staff did recommend the c n one, the less intensive commercial rezoning with an SP. And, of course, mister Luby wanted the the c g one, not really understanding the differences between the two, and that's ultimately why staff recommended denial with the c g one because it was more intensive. If we would have agreed to a c n one with an SP at the very beginning, staff's original recommendation would have been approval to recommend approval of this item because we we as we discussed, it's that buffer between that intensive commercial that we don't wanna see there, but it allows mister Luby to still continue using that property as his family has been using since 1953.
In regards to to the sale of the property, again, this special permit goes with the land. However, if that use discontinues for at any such time in six month period, so if if this gets approved today, let's say it does, in six months that use is not utilized for that specifically what the SP says, then it reverts
back to
the c n one.
And if I was to I'm not making an accusation or an assumption. I'm just asking for all of the potential parameters. If I was to invert the scenario and we passed this and the current structure of how that property is being used now, if that were to be altered into a more commercial type use, would that still be in compliance with this, or would that trigger action on our part?
So if if if this was not approved today, right, it remains the r s six zoning that it is. Although that that commercial structure is there used for their personal use, if they were to come back and want to develop on that property, they would have to meet whatever zoning is in that area for that time, which means developing, if this is not approved, would be r s six.
But if it is?
If it is approved,
I think I heard, I'm sorry, I think I heard a couple comments that upon visiting the site, looks like there may be intentions to further develop the commercial side of operations. And my understanding when we visited on the first reading was that the special provision on this zoning was to keep things precisely how they were for seventy years.
Correct. But in in discussions with mister Luby from staff, that was what mister Luby's request was, that his family has been using this property since 1953 to hobby restore vehicles and equipment and then sell some of those vehicles and equipment, and that was his intent for that property.
But should that escalate, would that still be in compliance with your recommendation of what passed on first reading?
So if
it would escalate as in if he would use something more intensive in that use? Correct. If we would have known that he was asking for a more intensive use outside of that special permit, then we may not have recommended that the c n one we didn't have those in-depth discussions. He originally came in with that general commercial, which is highly intensive, and, of course, we didn't recommend that because we didn't want to destroy the integrity of a residential neighborhood.
Okay. So I do wanna clarify. I'm not making an accusation, and I did not visit the site. My interest at first reading was to protect, and I think council member Hernandez had brought it up. The first time we visited this topic was, basically, this property was here, and then we came in with with a new vision and had him and requested, basically, for you to for you to update your property to our new zoning requirements.
So that's something to consider, but I digress. At first reading, my interest was if he's been doing this 70, acknowledge his use, but protect the residents in the area, and I think that's what we had all decided we were passing. And now if there wasn't those sort of in-depth conversations with him about all of those options and parameters and future cases, then that may be something that we missed and may have to go back and do because I I still want to protect the residents in the area, but not overburden his property. And he may need to have we may need to have those discussions with him.
So for clarification, he didn't specifically say he was planning on selling it. That was asked quite often. Mister Luby has been in our office several times since this started, and and, of course, we we ask a lot of questions. And if you were to sell it, what are you looking at? What were the potential uses?
We discussed all uses in the c g one. We discussed all uses in the c n one. And at the end of the day, when we went back to have that secondary discussion with him, he said, I'd like to go to the CN one with the SP. Even though he says it's gonna remain in the family, he said that it at such time, if it does sell ten years from now, five years from now, that he would like to see it redeveloped into those uses. So he knows specifically what the uses were for the CN1, and was looking for those for future years, but said that they planned on keeping it in the family until it's only him and his two brothers, so he doesn't know how long that is, but he anticipates keeping it in the family for as long as they're alive.
I'm just concerned that perhaps there was I know that there's need there's been a lot of discussion on this, but perhaps somewhere between what was discussed as the allowances in each of those zoning options, Maybe there could be a little more discussion on what cannot go into each of those zoning classifications. Again, I haven't been there myself, but it sounds like some people have traveled, it looks like there could be plans to further increase those services. So that's a concern to me that maybe we need to talk to him about that before moving forward.
So, and we did have those discussions on how intensive CG is, and he specifically stated he doesn't want the CG uses, which is smoking lounge, bars, nightclubs, mini storages, and auto dealerships. So he is aware that that is not something that can be used on that property. And the neighborhood commercial is more hotels, offices, small small retail development if if you will. Multifamily would also be allowed in those areas. Again, that's if such time that he would want to develop it or sell it. Right now, there needs to be replotted. There's a lot of other steps involved in that process if he did choose to sell it or if he did choose to develop it.
Thank you.
Councilman Hernandez.
Okay. Is the scene one with a special permit was kind of the compromise, so there was no heavy commercial there, but it would allow him to con I mean, it's not about allowing him to use his property. He's already been using the property this way for the last seventy years. So even if zoning doesn't change, he's gonna continue using the property this way because that's what he's been doing for the previous seventy years. We, as a city, cannot go in and tell him he can't use it because the zoning changed on him. Right? I don't know when that happened. When did it change to RS 6?
So the annexation was in 1951, and they purchased the property around the same time and built the structure in 1953. Again, our record keeping from the fifties is is really not there, so it's hard for us to determine if We they were
zoning didn't really like that back then. Right?
It it was something that was more of a new concept. So to to know whether they were notified or not, whether they switched to an r s six, that's that's unknown to
We have no records of anything.
Just the ordinance that went forward listing every single property, all of the ordinances, but we don't have the the details on how they were notified, what that public comment looked like for that annexation, what his building permit process looked like from '53, I wasn't able to find any of those records.
And he's been using it in that structure that's on the property has been there for how long?
Since 1953.
Since 1953. I I don't know what changes if, you know I mean, he's still gonna use the property the same way. Because of the lack of documentation on all this, I don't know how we can enforce anything. It it and then, you know, the the street comes in and behind some Archer Archer Drive dead ends right at the end of his property. You know, I I you know, I don't know.
There's not a great solution for this. I thought the c n one with a special permit was was a a decent compromise. I just didn't think this would be, you know, such an issue if he's been using this property the same way for that long. Okay. Thank you.
Councilman Barrera. No. Did you hear me?
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm still. Okay. Okay.
It's your first
time, councilman. Okay.
So that is it's all the public comment we have, but councilman's not here. I know he wanted to councilwoman Paxson? Did you wanna say a word?
Go ahead.
Yeah. If this is
I'm just curious. With the information that was just discussed, is there such thing as r s six leaving it as a zoning like that and recognizing this property is like Right.
Couldn't go to a less restrictive zoning district and like an RS6 with an SP, we couldn't do that. It has to kind of meet, but we could of course, as a city, we would not cite him for, you know, not applying to the zoning code. Now, he couldn't go do any expansion on the property that would bring it into non or into we need to bring that into conformity. So as long as it stays as is today, continues operating that way, it's existing nonconforming, it can stay nonconforming.
It it kind of like leaving our new zoning, it's grandfathered.
Grandfathered, you will, yes.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and open public comment. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to make comment on item number seven?
Good afternoon, mayor Guajardo and city council members. My name is Julie Trevino, and I reside in District 2. At last week's city council meeting on March 17 during the thirty minute break, mister Jason Luby approached me and introduced himself. While I was already aware of who he was, he did not know who I was. Once he learned that I lived on Viola Avenue, he made three statements to me that I feel compelled to share with you.
First, he said that living in our neighborhood is not a good investment. Second, he stated that if zoning did not pass, section eight housing would likely be built and that we would be in trouble. He concluded by saying that he was there to accept his win. I listened respectfully and simply responded, we'll see, to which he replied, yes, we will. I want to be very clear, my husband and I have been blessed and responsible with our investments.
As I mentioned previously, we moved back into our family home on Viola Avenue after my father passed away in 2008. We left our home in the country club area not because of financial reasons, but because that home on Viola holds deep meaning. It was built by my father with his own hands. My family is rooted in faith. My brother is a priest and my sister is a nun.
My father even built a chapel in our home saying there will come a time when we won't be able to go to church. But during COVID, that became a reality. The neighborhood I live in is not defined by property values. It is defined by people. My neighbors have been there for many years.
We know one another, we care for one another, and we look out for each other and our homes day and night. That is what makes a community valuable. So I respectfully ask you to please do not rezone our neighborhood. Keep it residential. Thank you for your time, and may god bless you all.
Thank you, ma'am. Yes. Come on.
Council, thank you very much. By the way, Councilman Scott, I'm gonna
be sporting that tie next week. Definitely. Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Herbie Garcia. Herbert A. Garcia. 2418 Viola Avenue. President and co founder of Cloud Development Corporation out of Houston, Texas. Former senior planner with the city of Houston during the rezoning effort back in the nineties. As well as as well as a former residential and commercial appraiser with the Harris County appraisal district.
16 families lodged official protest and they've asked me to speak on their behalf. So my words times 16, if you will. I draw your attention to exhibit number one. This picture was put into place Sunday afternoon after after director Wallace stood and stood and expressed a factual, in her opinion, situation that he wasn't gonna sell. But yet, here it is. Inquiries, I matched the phone number, did a reverse lookup. That's on page three excuse me, page two. It's his phone number. So he's soliciting active sales or leases for the property. There is an intent, in my opinion, to redevelop.
That said, I draw your attention to the bottom of the first page there. If mister Luby sells or leases the property, the lessee or the buyer stands to inherit every authorized commercial use with no further input from city council. It's all at that point of permitting process. And with there's no exposure to that. That said, let's look at the third page that I have here that there is a there is an evident pattern of abuse and flagrant disregard for city processes and regulations by mister Luby.
First of all, to contend that he doesn't know how his property is properly zoned is to me personally incredulous. His brother Dennis Luby is an attorney, the family attorney, and listed as the contact in NCAT for the property. Okay? His father, Jason Luby, who was the former mayor from 1973 to 1977. They've had decades of opportunity to address this situation. Decades. Consequently, Jason Luby senior owned the property when it was annexed and was properly noticed. Okay? Nobody nobody gets notification after annexation and doesn't have the opportunity to challenge it. Period.
Back in the fifties as well. Would have received plenty of documentation and as mayor, mister Luby senior had access to the mechanism by which it could have been adjusted. But yet there was no intent to do so. It's obvious. That said, what do we got? We have a residentials we have property that's been residential zoned and historically residential zone. So there's precedent there. However, NCAD had as residentially taxed. And by the way, for those that are listening, there is no connection between how classifies it and how and how the city classifies it. The taxing authority is a completely different entity, and city is all about land use.
That said, we have, over the decades, observed boat repair and sales activity. Alright? Clearly for profit driven activity. Car repair and sales activity. Equipment supplies and storage spanning multiple lots and including by the city. He was renumerated by the city for allowing that those lots to be rented. That said, we're very it's already three minutes. Well, thank you very much. The rest of my notes are in there. Please go I had this rehearsed. It didn't work out. But thank you for looking
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Anyone else? On item number seven. I think we've got somebody else.
Go ahead
and start.
Yeah. Yes, sir.
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Well, sir yeah. I'm sorry. This this public comment must this public comment must be related to the item itself, which is a rezoning case.
I'm sorry. It's about the school district that I have topic on senate bill 13.
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Well, you will, they will explain it's the city secretary's office will explain that procedure to right now, it's just about this particular item, sir, but they can explain it to you. Thank you. Anybody else? Go ahead. Oh, do we have the clock ready?
Stephanie, can you put it up? Oh, he can see it. Alright. Go ahead.
Alex Benavides, district three. I think it's an easy solution. The residents have spoken. They want to keep their integrity of their neighborhood and their sovereignty. They're requesting that their representatives listen
to their
voices, and that should be a slam dunk. So I I say, please keep it zoned the way it is, and keep the people in mind, people over profits.
Anyone else? Okay. I'm gonna go ahead and close public comment. Councilman Kentu.
Just a few more words. I just wanted to tell my colleagues if you guys could not support this agenda item. If you guys have taken a drive out there, y'all will see how bad it looks and especially being a one way road. I mean, there's big old ditches out there. I mean, if I don't I don't know what this man has, what he's gonna do with the property if he sells it and what they're gonna do to it or whatever the case is. I think keep it the way it is right now. And and I know you you guys say he's godfather in or whatever the case is. You know, keep it the way it is and and just I mean, does city staff still recommend this?
So we we
guys after after seeing inquiries, you know, the sign you posted?
So and we haven't talked to to mister Luby since we received the packet mid yesterday as well. Okay. And and again, not knowing what the intent was, is he leasing it out to somebody, we're not sure, we haven't had that discussion with them. Our recommendation again at the very beginning, if he would have came in, could have been a CN1 with an SP, because we felt comfortable with that as a buffer to that residential neighborhood, right? It gives you allowances there that you kind of want in your neighborhood to kind of bring the neighborhood connectivity back, and not so much the industry or or the heavy and commercial that's along Airstreet. It's really not as walkable as it should be.
Yeah. Okay. But okay. That's that's all I wanted to to ask. I will be voting no on this today. Thank you.
Councilman Hernandez.
There's another property down the road on Viola. It's at 2514 Viola. What's the zoning of that area? Because it's very similar in nature where you have a large combined lots with cars parked and, a lot of the same issues that you have on this one, but it's a much larger property.
I believe that one's, closer to around the bend at Viola.
It's before you get to the turn.
It's Before
you get to the properties turn.
Three properties before you get to the turn.
So I don't have that information for you today. We don't have the map go all the way down to the end of Viola.
You know, I I I don't know how this area was developed and it has a lot of, you know, some houses and then some areas where you have houses spread in with, you know, three, four houses on one lot, combined lot looks like, and with lots of parked cars all over the place. You know, I I if we're gonna you know, there's inconsistencies on how we do these things, and I wanna make sure we're doing this the right way. I don't think you know, if we don't change the the the zoning, I don't see how that changes for mister Louvey in terms of how he uses his property. But,
you know,
at the very least, you you just we need to have a a better idea of how all this works and ties together. You know you know, obviously, this this area was annexed a long time ago with county style roads and bar ditches. And, you know, at the back of the property, the street right behind it, Archer, I believe it's called. Archer Drive dead ends right into the property. You have a similar situation with Cherry Drive that goes right in the back of some people's houses. I mean, you just there's really no rhyme or reason to it. I don't know how you fix that.
On the older neighborhoods, there's a lot of existing nonconforming in the older neighborhoods, and we're never going to have somebody move into conformity unless they raze the building and want to redevelop, then that triggers replotting or rezoning, and then of course the vertical construction. So in the older neighborhoods, we do run into this quite often where it's a hodgepodge of zoning or properties that are over lot lines and that's just because of over time it's became a nonconformity. Okay. There's really is no immediate fix on it.
I was hoping we'd get some sort of compromise here, but apparently, I don't think it's possible. But we'll we'll see what we can do.
Councilman Vandetta.
Thank you, mayor. So so, Yvette, what what are the options for the property owner, the if if this fails today?
If this fails today, it would be the r s six use, and then he can continue the existing nonconformity as operating today. He couldn't expand that with any additional rezoning request.
And could he reapply for what the staff had recommended?
He he could always reapply for another, rezoning. I don't know how long he has to wait if it fells. One year. Yes. He has to wait one year. If it fells today because the c n one SP fells, he has to wait one year before he can bring a request back.
Well, I I think it's very cut and dried now. I mean, with the in in the in the event now that we have 22 protestants that exceed the 20% that, you know, that basically the the council I I mean, that that's one thing that concerns me is and I've always said, what about the neighbors? And that's something that we have to consider. And now that they've been made aware of it and the majority of the neighborhood is is does not support, I I just can't see moving forward with it. So thank you very much.
Thanks for all the work you've done. I know you've been over backwards. You the team you the staff has been over backwards to try and acclimate. And it seems like deliver what the council would support. So I I know you you you you your team you and your team have done a good job. And I know you try to support mister Luby as So thank you very much.
Councilman Scott.
Thanks, mayor. I'm not I'm gonna be the one to ask the question. I think somebody asked and I just didn't hear it. So if we rezone it, then he can use it based on the rezoning. If he sells it, they get that same zoning.
They get the same zoning and the SP, but if they use the SP, the the automotive the automotive on the property, the equipment on the property, the cells of those antiques that he's restoring, in our discussions, if that use discontinues for a time period greater than six months, it reverts back to the base zoning of c n one.
Okay. Again, I'm slow today. So if so the if he doesn't get it, then he can continue to use it as is. But if he sells it, it it goes to what?
The zoning goes with the the sale of the property. So it's still a c n one with the SP. But
if Not if it not if we approve. We if we deny it
If you deny it, it stays r s six and the existing nonconformity stays in today stays there today. If he wants to expand it, of course, we'll have to bring it into conformity.
Right. So the point is that if if we deny it today, he can continue to use it as is without any additional new usage uses?
Correct. So no expansion on the property?
It goes to what? RN six, so it said?
If he sells it, the zoning that is in place today, which is r six remains the zoning.
I think I think we're I think we're reaching the crux of the matter. Okay. That's what I need. Thanks.
Councilwoman Vaughn.
I just wanna thank the neighbors for getting involved. I mean, we had not heard any of this, so it changed my vote. Thank you.
Okay.
I'll go
ahead and entertain a motion.
Well,
well, you vote. Yeah. So we're entertaining a motion, for item number seven.
Okay. There's no motion.
Okay. So if there's no motion to act, then the item stays as not approved. Because there's no since then the second reading has not been passed.
So it fails? Okay. Alright. Thank you. Okay. The next item pulled was item number eight. That is an ordinance amending the UDC. And who pulled item number eight? Councilman Campos, your question or comment.
Thank you, mayor. I just wanted to make a statement. I had Eli McKay that served on that steering committee that for the longest time and she kept me abreast of that, what was going on. And and I really wanted to say thank you to her. I'm sorry that it did not pass the the impact fees because I really do feel that we're actually going backwards. I really do feel that it's sort of like, you know, you still need to know the secret handshake or the certain knock in order to make development here in Corpus Christi. But so I just wanted to make sure that people knew that I I am not supporting this, and I'll be voting no. Thank you.
Okay. I move
for approval. Second.
Okay. We have a motion to second. Would anyone in the audience like to make comment on item number eight? K. There being no one, we'll close public comment. Please submit your vote. Okay the motion carries. Item number 10 is a resolution authorizing amendment number one. Let's see. Two service agreement number 6533. Who pull councilwoman Paxton, your question or comment?
Thank you, mayor. Just real quick question. I I was looking for the original contract with it because I wasn't sure if this isn't, an IDIQ, like, where they have a contract to service everything and the amendment is just authorizing the sections of the overall contract. Is my understanding correct on that why we're doing the amendment right now? It's just authorizing the next phase?
This this contract this is Wesley Nebgen, director of water systems infrastructure. So this contract is is is more of a supply contract with labor for parts materials and labor to also repair pumps. So this is an amendment to the original contract to add an additional $500,000 to that.
Okay.
So the the original contract was 775,000. This will add another this is to amend that original contract and add another 500,000 to that contract.
So the potential the potential of 3.8, that would be if we're we Over years.
Yes. That's correct.
Okay. That was thank you for that. Like I said, quick question. I move to approve.
K. We have a motion. Do we have a second? We have a second. Please submit your vote.
K. The motion carries. The next item pulled was item 11. That is a motion awarding a construction contract to CF McDonald Electric for the Ben Garza Gem generator. Councilwoman Paxson.
Thank you, mayor. I am in full support of a generator at the location, and I commend staff for finding one and an incredible cost savings on that project. I just want to be sure that we're gonna be able to bring this back in a way that we can honor the original ordinance. Perhaps you can speak to that process a little bit because I did bring it up last session, so I just wanna circle back.
Sure. So we are opening the annual action plan back up for public comment. It will get post posted on Sunday. It has to be open for thirty days. We'll be able to bring it back after that. I believe that's the first meeting in May. In addition, before that happens, we're gonna bring the $160,000 back. And then if council wants to take action on the $160,000 of unrestricted funds, then council can take that action before the the annual action plan, the federal funds come back. But neither one of those impacts the availability of the funding for the generator today.
Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And the savings incurred by the generator in our packet, it says that we need to hold those until the project is completed. We can go ahead and begin to make recommendations on repurposing those?
No. The annual action plan funds that go into facilities, when there's savings, it goes into the next public facilities. That was approved in the annual action plan, and that was a change based on HUD's recommendations. So the next annual action plan item for public facilities included the Oak Park Recreation Center roof and other items that were on that alternative list.
And so there's council does not have the authority to
Council can do that when we open up the annual action plan. That will not be a staff recommendation based on HUD's recommendations for timely expenditures.
So if you can help me understand, because last year when we revisited this, I tried to go through the channels of talking to staff and say, really feel here are some other options that we could utilize some of these funds that, in my opinion, are high impact to the community. I'm not saying any project's a bad one. I thought these were higher. And then what I experienced is I kind of came to this issue where I can't call my colleagues and say, hey, I think that these are great items. I'd love your support on that, because we can't do that.
So what's a good channel so that when this comes back to us, I don't have to have a three page spreadsheet identifying where I think this, that, and the other should go, and then all my members up here feel confused because they don't have the backstory on why I feel like that's a good potential, even though we can deviate from recommendation. What's the right protocol? So
our process has been that staff make recommendations. Often, we do briefings, and based on how those briefings go, that gives us an idea as to how the staff recommendations are going to be received, what types of actions might be taken on staff recommendations, and whether or not staff recommendations have support. If it appears as though staff recommendations are on the right track, then we move forward with those staff recommendations. Sometimes even if we're not getting full support, we may still move forward with staff recommendations because that is where we think it needs to be even if we know it's gonna get voted down. So when we go through this process, and it is a long process, we take applications, we review applications, we use our professional judgment to make staff recommendations.
We go through the briefings. Not all council members choose to have briefings. But based on that feedback, we make our recommendation. If council, five council members choose to take or not take staff recommendations, then that's the direction that we go. We don't usually have one staff member or excuse me, one council member that says, I don't like staff recommendations. Because you're able to vote no. You're able to make your case in front of council. And that happened back in July, is that staff recommendations it went a different way from staff recommendations, and that's part of kind of how we are where we are. But there there is a process.
So couple of things there. I think my experience has been both scenarios where if you do hear a direction of a majority of council, that moves forward as a staff recommendation. But I've also experienced a lot of cases where I come to my briefing and I say, you know, these are my ideas, and I think that this would have a lot of support. But I am bound to not gather that support because of because of quorum rules. I can't go I can't go foster up five supporting members for an idea.
And the problem becomes that when I bring it up here, my my body up here feels like this is too this is too much information to be able to review in a snapshot, but I don't have a way to get them that other information. Information. Does that make sense? So last time when we reviewed this, I tried to go through that process, and it caused some confusion at the dais level and the staff level. The point was we had three different requests that we were hoping to fund, a portion of those requests got funded through a grant, and the generator was chose to earmark basically that full 500,000 recommendation.
We're coming in way under that, so my request every time we've brought this back up was to revisit those original community requests that we had discussed previously and fund those. But I don't have a mechanism to get that information in a way that makes sense from the department to the dais. Peter, perhaps you can help here because we've talked about it a little bit.
Right. So we the the last statement, you said the original requests were were partially funded. So what we do know is there's about $300,000 in savings in this generator project that can be funded because it's community development block grant monies, right? They're probably eligible entities. But what we recommend is let's get the generator completely installed. There could be unforeseen costs either in the generator itself or the installation. And we don't want to we want to be able to get this done. So the recommendation is let's get the generator 100% or nearly 100% installed, and then we'll come back to the council to say, okay. This money now, we're confident, is available, and we can bring forward that recommendation as an option to the council.
Appreciate that. I've I talked to Michael Dice, and he said that they have a pretty good cost certainty. So I feel, based on his recommendation, that the cost is pretty certain at this point. However, I don't think it's a big difference to wait for the project to be done. But what I'm trying to speak to is regardless of how many times I've tried to bring up this concern, the feedback I continue to get is that's not what's going to come to the dais. It's going to move down the chain in facilities.
Briefing memos have an alternative section, and we can list alternatives. There's nothing wrong with that.
That would be helpful.
I can work with the team. We can list alternatives. As Jennifer did a good job saying, staff has a reason to recommend something. Sure. But there's alternatives. That's why every briefing memo has in the template an alternatives section. And as we hear individual or a minority of the council wanting something, we can list it as as an alternative. Then that way, your colleagues, like you said, are fully aware through the briefing memo, through reading that.
That. That would be helpful. Thank you. And then my last question, as we move forward with the with the with the posting status, we are good legally to to move forward on the generator. We can continue to expense that fund. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much.
Okay. I will entertain a motion.
I move for approval. Second.
Okay. We have a motion and a second. Please submit your vote. Did I take public upon I did? The motion carries.
Our last item pulled is the motion to authorize city staff to collaborate with Aquatech to develop options for seawater desalination at the CC Palmer's plant. And who pulled this item? Councilman Hernandez.
Yes. I pulled this item because sorry. Sharma has came has come here to and wanna give him the opportunity to speak for you went through a lot of effort to get this to put together, so I wanna give him the opportunity to address counsel.
Councilman, thank you. City council, thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Devay Sharma. I'm the CEO of Aquatec International. We're forty five year old desalination company based out of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
We do also have quite a footprint in Texas with a major office in Houston. We've been following the Corpus Christi desalination story for many years. And to keep things short, you know, we have presented an option that I think could be win win for a lot of people where we can develop the existing desalination plant at Corpus Christi and expand it and provide, through phases, desalinated water to the city, starting with 9.4 MGD, probably within a year of coming to an agreement, and with an expansion that could go to 14 or even up to twenty, twenty five MGD, depending on details that need to be worked out. But we have a plan. We could discuss it in detail offline, but we look forward to the opportunity presenting that to council in the future.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
Okay. Councilman Scott.
Yeah. So are we gonna amend are we working to amend the permit? Or does the permit tied to the operation of the first of the plant? And if so, what's the timeline of the plant?
Sure, councilman. Nick Winkelman, chief operating officer, Corpus Christi Water. I can provide my comments, and Sure. Sharma, you you can probably add to it as well. So there is an existing, intake discharge permit for the CC Polymers location that's a TCQ permit. One thing that I do wanna be clear, the plant is not operating today.
desalination facility can operate without the plant, but the plant operation has to include the operation of the desal plant because the discharge is combined. So the waste for the CC polymer plant has to be combined with the brine discharge. Both permits are for industrial use. What we've heard from previous consultants, there may be an amendment required from TCQ, and certainly Aquatec will work through that process with TCQ. The other thing that is required from TCQ is the permit and approval to operate a potable water treatment plant for a public utility system.
So the permit the Desal plant can operate, is that right? The desal plant can operate without the chemical plant
being Yes.
But the chemical plant cannot operate without the desalination plant being functional.
Correct. The discharge permit is essentially a combined permit for both the desalination plant discharge and also the wastewater discharge for the CC polymer manufacturing plant.
And is is the agreement going to be for industrial water or potable water?
No. The agreement is for Aquatech to furnish potable drinking water to CCW in the city of Corpus Christi.
And that would require an amendment to the permit?
It it possibly could. I and I think I can honestly say that's for Aquatec to work through with TCQ. Under this agreement, it's a water sale agreement. We would be the city would be purchasing treated, potable water. So the the permitting requirements, the operation, that's the the burden of Aquatech.
And then we would we would provide the funds to the interconnect. That's not the right word, but we would connect who would pay so I guess they would have to pay to bill whatever's necessary to make it potable. Right? And there's a number there, which I guess we don't have a number yet. This is the this is the conversation to develop a number. It should be like should be nice to know what we're talking about. We don't know. Right? Should we know? What what's the price per thousand gallons?
Well, so what what I can say is that I mean, the the motion is to negotiate a contract. We've gotta go through that. Some of the initial numbers that Aquatech has provided is in the $7.5 per thousand gallon range. That's not a rate impact, that's a price of water.
Right, I get it. And that includes the infrastructure to provide potable water.
That's correct. So part proposal of that Aquatech provided, some of the preliminary I shouldn't say it's a proposal, but would be to connect to our existing infrastructure.
And the requirement would be that if it needed TCEQ permit amendments, they would be required to do it. That's They would be required to do it. They would make the ask. They would go around and get we're not gonna be going all over South Texas trying to help them get their permits. Right? I mean, that's
It's their responsibility and their burden.
And then we would have to pay to connect it wherever we do it, whether it's I don't know where you'd connect it.
Connection point potentially could be an existing 24 inch line that goes under the ship Yeah. So we've identified a potential connection point, and would Aquatech would be responsible to make that connection connection and get it to their get to that point.
Do we have technical, help to tell us if it requires an amendment, a likelihood, and the timeline of settling to the discharge permit?
This plant, we've engaged multiple consultants over the years. They have included HDR and CDM Smith. Know, CDM Smith, in their most recent evaluation, has said it's not an insurmountable task to achieve that. I'm sure it's not. Additionally, because it's just an amendment, but when you get into permitting, and we haven't had those conversations directly with TCQ because it's not our project.
Thank you.
So I don't I can't give you any insight from the regulatory body as to what they envision.
I'm I'm gonna support it, but just so you know, we we had this conversation with another project, and it was midnight last summer. And and a member of development group came down and said, oh, man. Those permits, we got them tomorrow. Piece of cake. Don't worry about it. And now here we are in one of those projects, you know, nine months later without a permit. So I'm sensitive to to a conversation that says the permitting process is quick. I don't think it's easy, but whether it's quick or not isn't important to me as just one of the voters. So anyhow. Thanks.
Councilman Barrera.
Thank you, mayor. You know, I I don't have a lot of confidence, in this project, simply because of the challenges that that we've had to we've faced over it already. I mean, it's been asked and answered. There's been several times. I mean, there's been several times that we've reviewed this.
At one time, was supportive of it because I felt there was an opportunity. But all of a sudden we started encountering all these challenges. And the thing is, is that right now, based on the question that Councilman Scott had made, I think what happens is that number one, staff's time is very valuable. And you know, unfortunately, we get to a point as to where counsel urges us because all our hair is on fire. You know?
And so in all of a sudden now, we're moving forward with projects because we're trying to solve a problem that I think that was created politically. And in my opinion, what is it? So I think the challenge is that now we're having you once again engage. And my frustration with the project in San Patricio County is that we're putting all forth this for this energy and effort. When the developer in my opinion as I stated in the last meeting.
Really should have taken the owner should have been on them. And that's the thing that I'm afraid of that now all of a sudden, I mean, maybe I could agree to just a term sheet that basically says, come up with these deliverables and then we can talk. I think and I think I could agree to that. But I think the challenge is right now, we're we've got we've really got no data. We just said to it's just so broad to authorize staff to negotiate with Aquatech to develop a water sale agreement to purchase water produced and treated by Aquatec.
So I'm really, really reluctant, because I know you guys are working weekends, I know you're working long days to try and work on projects that are meaningful. And not saying this isn't. But I think the onus should be on the developer or the, in this case, being Aquatec, to be able to come to provide that for us. Other than that, I think it's just getting very, very difficult. And all we're doing and then we create confusion, where now, you know, it it then all of a sudden, you know, Peter's in a position where he's trying to deliver, okay, this is what we realistically have available.
And then all of a sudden now, we're being told that we're not being transparent. Because now if we're adding this, I mean, I heard numbers twelve, fourteen, twenty, twenty MGD, and that gives the public a false sense of hope when we're not anywhere there. It's still, as I said, the term I used last time, it's overly speculative. And so once they come up with a good deal, then then I would support it. And I think that's the other thing. I've I've obviously been very supportive of Inner Harbor. And I think it creates more confusion, creates more confusion for the public. And then it's another thing they're gonna throw out with us. Okay. Now you're gonna have another desal facility, which I see council member Campos is right behind me is probably gonna bring up that bring up those comments.
So right now, I I just don't I think this is overly ambiguous, and I can't support it as it is. Alright. Thank you, mister Winkleman.
Councilwoman Campos.
Okay. Thank you, mayor. It's really strange that we're here with CC Polymers back then. I don't know what was called MGM or I don't know, something like that, the name the company that had it. Because that's how I started in public comments.
It was back in 2018, and I had said to the city, there's already a desalination plant. Why is it that we're not that we weren't purchasing it back then? That was 2018, so that was, what, eight years ago. So this deal that we're looking at now, it is still though we still don't have a clear picture as to the discharge. I mean, how further it's further into the channel, I believe, right, From the Inner Harbor?
The discharge exists. There is no diffuser on the discharge. So there are some market differences between the initial design of Inner Harbor and this plant. The discharge permit is in hand and exists, and anybody can review that discharge permit.
Okay. And the diffuser itself, just to inform all of us what is the difference between the Inner Harbor Desalination plant and this plant that we're considering?
A diffuser on the discharge would be used to ensure that salinity levels return to normal in a quicker manner.
So we really don't know if the salinity levels are going to be safe. Is that what you're
One thing that I do want to remind everybody is that the CC polymer plant will be modeled by the far field modeler that was approved. Those inputs into the ship channel, they call them inputs, that would be part of that study with CC polymers operating as well as in our harbor. That's an established part of the Barfield model.
So could this plant be looked at as like a test pilot? I mean, because it's not going to produce as much water as the Inner Harbor.
Yeah. My my comment to that councilwoman is engine engineering wise, I would say no. It's it's a different plan. It's designed differently.
Mhmm.
The plan at CC Polymers is not fully operational. It was never completed. Designs have changed. Membranes have changed. I would caution all of us from considering the CC polymer plant and the potential plant at Inner Harbor as apples to apples.
Yeah. I really am conflicted with this, so I'm waiting to hear what the rest of my council members have to say on this project. So thank you.
Councilwoman Vaughn. Can I ask him a question?
So are you tasked with getting the plant up and operating? Is that what you're gonna be doing?
Yes. Actually, to to fully answer your question and also address councilman Barrera's comments, to be a bit more specific, there's a well planned phase wise approach. The existing plant is 9.4 MGD. To bring that up, we, last year, Aquatec completely audited the plant. We have a very clear plan of how to start that up and make it produce water.
We do have to address the potabilization permit, and we have a plan for that. Parallelly to that, we would add an additional train of reverse osmosis, taking it to 12.5 MGD. So that's phase two. And then parallel to that, we would be expanding the plant to eventually meet CCP's needs because they will eventually start their PET facility and will need to take desalinated water. And the net to the city would be 14 MGD, which fits the 24 inches line that mister Winkelmann talked about.
So upon, you know, the the offline discussions, we can present a a very detailed step by step plan. And the other thing I want to mention is that this plan does not involve any capital expenditure from the city. We would make that investment. The city would just need to pay for the water when it is produced.
Okay. So you have a lot of experience doing this. Correct?
Because I believe this name is from KeyWit. Weren't you gonna be working with KeyWit?
We were the selected technology
provider for KeyWit at that time.
Yeah. And this council up here, so many of
them had a lot of
confidence in that company back then. So I think that speaks for itself for you. So thank you. Mr. Sononi, what do you recommend?
I recommend we proceed forward with developing a contract. This is another no cost proposal to the city. So we don't have to invest any money except our labor to work with our city attorney and next team to develop a business contract and bring it back to council. Even when even if excuse me. Even if city council does approve the contract, there's still no payment due until they perform and and send water. So it's for 9,400,000 9,500,000 and then all the way up to 14,000,000 gallons, it's no risk to the city because 100% of the performance is on the company.
And and I was hoping you'd say that because I agree with I think we don't lose anything by doing this. You're gonna go in negotiations with them. You'll find out what they can and can't do. Mhmm. And then if it's possible, you'll bring it back to us.
Right.
Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Councilman Kenchoo.
Two couple questions. If we don't do anything with them, they're still gonna have a plant. Correct? You're still gonna do water from there?
Well, I think CC Polymers plans to operate at some point in the future.
It's gonna happen no matter what.
Operate, they need that that desal plant running.
Got it. Peter was saying it was nine point what millions?
Four. Nine It's 9.4 in twelve months, and then it could ramp up to 14 in another six to nine months or so.
Gotcha. And it costs us $0 to talk, do a contract, all that good stuff. And that's gonna cost us no money till we see water from there if we approve the contract later on. Correct?
Right. So this motion is to authorize staff to negotiate a contract, and then that contract would then be presented to counsel for consideration.
Got it. I'm all for other water sources. You know, we're turning down business every day supposedly. So we need all the water we can get. So I'll be voting yes for this. Thank you.
Councilman Beneda.
Now but but we have to still pay the cost of conveyance. Correct?
That's one thing that we'd have to we'd have to deter we'd have to analyze and recommend the council. So there is a line that goes under the ship channel that we put in as part of the dredging project. It's meant to be a redundant line. So if we use it, we take out redundancy to that area of Joe Fulton Corridor territory. So that's something we have to look at. They part of the part of the business deal would be store ground storage tanks, any type of treatment that has to be done in the tank. That would be part of their expense, Aquatex expense, and it's all included in the July. That July does have inflation, by the way. So every year going forward, the July keeps going up. By what factor?
We we have to analyze what's that?
By we determine a factor, so it's just
I think they just said general inflation at this point. But we have that's part of our negotiation.
Be part of the contract terms.
Right.
Yeah. I I still think it's premature. I mean I mean, I I think you you could I mean, I'm I'm being facetious, but you could call the bishop and say we'd like to negotiate with you with regard to praying for rain. Think that's the frustration that we've had. This council put us in this position. And so now, we're looking at every opportunity. I think if the onus is on them, if they've got a product to sell, then I think that they they their their homework needs to be done and I don't think there's been enough information. Now, obviously, the council supports it. But I just I just really frustrates me that we go to this thing and all of a sudden, somebody brings it to our attention. I I I just once again, your time is very valuable.
Yeah. Your time is very valuable. And I know and as someone who obviously has a service to sell, I I I I I basically I I have something to deliver, not to the point as to where we're going to enter into negotiation. I think they have to have the something to deliver until then because we still have we're still going to have the cost of conveyance. We're obviously there's there's an electrical cost involved with that.
I mean, I'm and I'm not I'm not discounting their their qualifications. I just once again, I think we should move cautiously because we put a lot of time and energy into the Evangeline Project of which we it's still speculative in my opinion. It's still speculative in my opinion because we were told that that we were told that what is it that it would be very easy and very simple. And now we've obligated what? $6,070,000,000 dollars?
400,000,000, Councilman, on the construction? No.
No. No. No. For construction for right now.
But Just for the just to I don't think it's that much. How much should we spend, Nick?
I don't How much should we spend?
Our expenditures to date are, like, 2 and a half and 2,600,000.0. That's what cash out the door what we spent.
That that's right. But the but we begin on the long lead items with the construction.
Oh, absolutely. So that that like the city manager said, that's it's approximately $400,000,000 then.
Yeah. Right?
So so I I guess that's a whole thing. I mean, but I I mean, but just for the pipeline. I I I okay. So $400,000,000. Fine. But that's the thing. I don't I don't want to put us once again where we're because we're in a position of desperation, and then all of a sudden the developer comes to us and says that it can be done in a year, then I think I think it would be prudent just to set up milestones and require deliverables because staff's time is very valuable. Right. And then I think we that's the thing. And then I think it frustrates me that one council member can bring this up and then all of a sudden now, it's an initiative that we're gonna move forward.
And we shouldn't I mean, what is it? We we we we we need to be cognizant of what provides certainty. And this just provides a lot of ambiguity. And I think it's disingenuous to let the public know, to have the public feel that all of a sudden we're searching for solutions and then to say, well we might have nine and a half MGD within 12. So that's my concern. And I I and I mean, I've obviously overstated it. And I've been once again, it's not it's not questioning Aquatech's expertise. I I believe it to be very strong. Obviously, they work with Kiwi, it was brought up. But my my point is is that your time is very valuable.
Yeah. And unless we got a real deal, then we shouldn't be exhausting those resources. Just basically to placate a council member. So thank you very much.
Councilman Roy.
You know, it's interesting. I don't know how many council members took the time to meet with this group. I took the time to meet with this group and and talk to them. It also leads me and this is not gonna be something that's gonna be popular to say why sometimes I feel like council members shouldn't be running water. When you take a look at a business model and you look at risk, they're they're putting up the risk.
They're the ones right now in terms of it's their expertise. They're gonna do this whether we get on board or not. So industry if industry would want that 9.4 MGD or 14 MGD, they could go in and buy that just like we have the opportunity if we wanna pass on it. But when you take a look at in terms of the risk and the financial risk, and I think, Peter, that's why you're saying go ahead and move forward with this. Right?
Because right now, the problem is is that if we sit there, we don't know. I mean, we've had three or four different scenarios in terms of how that this outcome could come. We're gonna know at some point in time how this is gonna shake down. In two or three years, we're gonna know. We're gonna gonna run out of water, And, you know, we're gonna take a hit in several areas, or we're gonna be successful. And the thing about it is is that I don't wanna sit there and take the risk of a project that we really don't have that much risk on and turn it down. And then all of a sudden, we're having to answer to the community and say, oh yeah, we were close. We missed it by seven MGD. We missed it by six MGD. I'm sorry, but we're gonna have to go into this phase.
So again, that's why I I really try hard to meet with all of the and there's a lot of companies that are coming out of the woodwork. I mean, you know, we hear it every day. We had a guy today that sat there doing public comment and said, well, we we hadn't met with him, and we have met with him. And but the problem is is that, unfortunately, the track record that they have, it's an experiment. Am I right? Yeah.
For that one person that was here today.
Yeah. These guys have been doing this for a long time. They're gonna be successful because they know how to do this. This isn't this isn't an experiment. Anyway, I think it's a good project. I'm for it. We need to move forward. The last thing I wanna be is the one that's gonna sit there and say, oh, we we missed this thing, and we missed it by four or five MGD. City staff recommends it. We're talking about your time and efforts in terms of putting together a contract. Is that a valuable use of your time for the return? I think so. So anyway, thanks for looking at this. I wanna appreciate you guys for taking the time to bring this to to my attention, and I support it.
Councilman Scott.
So did you guys invite me to you may have because it's a busy world in my world. Did y'all invite me for a briefing? I I don't recall being asked to be briefed. So just so you know, council member, I wasn't asked and so I so and that's fine. That's fine. I got a lot going on my world. But if I'm asking questions here today, I apologize if I could have asked them in in you know, when we met. That's fine. Think the world of you. I'm a little sensitive to capital cost because my sense is we're gonna pay the capital cost at plus some some number. Right? You're gonna spend spend $10. You're gonna roll those costs into the rate, and we're gonna pay that 10 back plus whatever your whatever your rate your internal rate of return, and it's gonna do We're gonna hold
them to that $7.50, councilman. Yeah. They were working for seven, but they they couldn't do seven. But $7.50?
I just I just wanna be a I wanna be
Right.
Since I wasn't with you before, I wanna tell you where I'm at now. Yeah. But some since there was somebody, hey, man. You don't pay any money if we're gonna spend all that. We're just gonna roll it in your your rate. Okay. Well, the ratepayer's gonna pay that, and they're gonna pay that plus some some increases on some regular basis. That's the way the world works. I'm not angry, but I just wanna point that out to the public if they're listening. Hey. You don't have to spend any money. The developer will. Well, the ratepayer's gonna pay it back. I I am a little concerned about the the lack of diffuser. And, I'm I'm in title insurance.
I can barely spell diffuser. But what I have learned is that's a really cool newer technology that didn't exist when M and G first got their permit. I appreciate that M and G put a deal together with you all, and you all go out can go out and shop it. I would actually be okay if you cut a deal with industry and just sold it to them. It would take some it would take them off our system, which puts less pressure in our new water supply. They would pay the the rate, which I assume that they would love to pay, you know, $7.50 because that's probably about what our blended rate would be if when we do it. So so when when people say, hey. If we don't do it, industry will. I mean, do I care? I I don't think I do.
Maybe that's worth the conversation. The last thing I would say is that there are a lot out there. And just for the public, I a call from someone who's connected to cloud seeding, and I need to forward them on to to whoever. I ran into someone who's got a project in Southern San Patricio, a well field project, and they would like to have a public conversation about that. Six months ago, there was a guy that said, hey, we should take all the oil wells and retrofit them because I guess there's water pockets.
I don't know that stuff. And so I I passed that on six months ago, and nothing ever happened because I think you guys are busy. Someone reached out yesterday, and they have some software that text leakage much faster, and then you can fix it faster, and then you improve your leakage percentage. I'd like to just tell me where to send that to. And then there's this conversation about drilling more wells further up the river system. So at some point, do we talk about those? I mean, do I need to go out and get three signatures to talk about it? Not that I could,
but Councilman, I can comment on a couple of those. Right. The You mentioned a project with reinvigorating old oil wells. We met with him, we discussed it with him. There's a lot of complications there because they're old oil wells, and there's other constituents in there. It was risky. It was a risky endeavor. The the gentleman north of us with with the water along the river, staff has reached out to him and talked to him a couple of times trying to fully vet and understand that project as well.
The one in Southern San Patricio County?
I'm not aware of that.
Is that the one that there's two two persons on that one? Yeah. That's the one we met at Christmas on, Nick.
Oh, that one.
Yeah.
Yes. So we met with them at thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah. So we met with them, and we were waiting for a business proposal from them.
Yeah. They have to bring us a business proposal.
That makes sense. And I think that's one of the things these gentlemen did that others haven't, which is, hey, we have we have a proposal. Let's talk about
it. Right. And they have a rate. Yeah.
If someone didn't have didn't have a proposal, it seems like a lot of work on our side that they should develop. Right?
Yeah. That's correct. That's why the that pro the San Patricio one, we've asked them to bring back to us a proposal.
it. Much like the Aquatec has done. I will just say that this one has been, as Councilwoman Campo said, there's been numerous iterations on this plant. We've spent, I don't know how much, 50,000, dollars 100,000 with a consulting firm. So we understand this project more than all those others that were just listed that are brand new.
So time investment is less here because we know the project, we know how to get it in the distribution system, we know what's there, many consultants have advised us. And so there's been just a caution to Councilman Barrera's point to public. There has been numerous iterations on this plant. And I think going back Councilman Campos how many years, ten years. So we're openly cautiously optimistic, I should say, because we've seen so many versions.
And we've heard a lot from engineers, some that work for us. We've heard their comments on the plant's capability today and can you just retrofit it or do you have to demolish it and build new? But if the we're not in the business of disparaging, and so if Aquatec thinks they can do it, then we're we're willing to have them present that case to us, and we'll analyze it and bring something to city council if we think they have a good case.
I think the key is under promise, over deliver. I think what's interesting about this council members is the M and G folks were good friends of mine, and they came to us when they started permitting and asked the city to consider doing a joint permit such that they would get their 10, and we could get the second 10. And I I couldn't get the city interested, and it's just for me to be around years later, you know, to go out. We're just gonna buy it when we could've owned it, you know, owned ten ten MGD.
And we weren't there. We weren't here.
I know.
None nobody was So the public Nobody was there. Wasn't here, and Nick wasn't here. So Yeah.
It's all my fault.
Yeah. Yeah.
I tried, man. I tried. Yeah. But and then I'll finish. So the the deal was they're never gonna get a permit. I'm like, you know, they're gonna build a billion dollar plant. I think they think they're gonna get a permit. No. Never gonna get a permit. Well, guess what? M and G got the permit, and the city called and said, hey. Can you go talk to him about maybe, you know, joint venture in that now? I went, really? Really? It's funny that the stories you get after he's been here a while. Anyhow, I'm gonna vote for it. Just wanna point out my, you know, my issues.
Yeah. Thank you. I wanted to just kinda address some of the the concerns that would come up because it came up in the initial discussions. And I'll and I'll I'll take the blame for this. I I brought it to Peter and to Nick and, with the idea because this is something I tried earlier that didn't work out because of, some issues with the, the the company in Taiwan that didn't wanna sell the project.
Okay? I'd I'd like to thank you know, even though I didn't vote for him with KeyWit, he took the time to come back even though we're dysfunctional here at the city of Corpus Christi. He he took the time to to invest and work a deal so he could provide water to us. So I truly appreciate his efforts in doing this because he didn't have to do it. He didn't have to to come and do this.
As far as the redundancy on the line, it's it's kind of funny because you if you have a water source and one of your line goes down, you still have the water source. Right? So I don't think that's a huge issue. I know we talked about the CPI concerns, and we talked about possibly doing similar to what we do with our own rates and doing the analysis on cost of service, and that that was an option that we could talk about, and they agreed to that. You know, I understand that there's not the diffuser, but there is the you know, when the plant does come online, it gets mixed in with the discharge from the facility of the waste the water coming from the facility.
And, ultimately, this is no cost for us, for capital, no debt service. They're gonna take all that on, and then we don't pay for water until we actually get water. So there's a lot of win win situations here for us. They are, you know, they are the the technology company for CC Polymers now that they're gonna op you know, operate that plant for them. So they have the business they're doing with CC polymers as well. So I mean, this is this is kind of beneficial for everybody here. And the plant is already there. It's already been built. It's going to come online. Let's take advantage of it while it's there. And so I I I'll make a motion to approve.
Councilman Roy.
I just wanted to clarify one thing. So, you know, what are we getting our agenda now? What? Two weeks in advance?
A week and a
half.
One, two week. Yeah. Depending on when the council meeting. At least one week in advance.
One week in advance. Yeah. I happened I just met with them yesterday. I happened I happened to just look at my agenda, and I thought, oh, we're gonna be voting on this and trying to do due diligence and understand what's going on. I will tell you one thing that if if I don't have the faith in CC Polymers or MG, whatever you wanna call them, in terms of us negotiating directly, and that was one of my first questions that I asked them is that, okay. What made them come around and decide this? Because we've approached them multiple times. You know? Yeah. So I'm glad that somebody else is spending that time and effort in making sure because you're right.
It is tough to sit there and and have a lot of faith when we've we've that dog hasn't hunted a couple times now. Right. You know? So but again, I think because of the fact that they're we're not really bearing the risk here and the financial part. We we have to do diligence and look at it. So, again, I'm supporting it, and, let's hope for the best. Yeah. Thanks.
Councilwoman Paxton. Thank you, mayor.
Real quick, just to recap. So 9,400,000 gallons a day in twelve months.
Approximately, that's what we've been told. From the execution of a contract
You said the fall or one year from now?
It would be it would be 9.4 MGD after approximately one year from the date of the contract.
Yeah.
ETA on contract?
We haven't started negotiations yet.
But I'm looking for a ballpark, hypothetically. At what
point say, like, ninety days. You know?
Ninety days?
Ninety, three months.
Okay. And then it could be scaled up to 14 to 22 MGD for an additional six to nine months from that 15 The
14 is an additional six to nine months, and then the 22, that'd be to be determined.
There was an interim
Sir, could you come up to the microphone, please?
So our plan is to utilize the 24 inches line that exists, and the maximum water that can flow through that line is 14 MGD. But in discussion, if there's an interest to build more capacity, we can look at even expanding the plant further. But just for clarity's sake, we have a 9.4 phase one, twelve point five phase two, and a 14 mgd phase three. So the 9.4 would be a year from contract, contract about three months. I was gonna say the same thing, Peter.
Yeah. The the 12.5 about six months after that, and the 14 about six to nine months after that. Okay. To just give you some notional idea.
Okay. And is there option or is there anything in your design that could potentially take into consideration adding a diffuser type on the discharge?
Well, after listening to this today, something I don't know, I can't answer that question, but it's something I myself have noted down. I ask myself the same question as, let me talk to the team and see what would that entail.
I think that'd be very valuable, and I'd be super interested to hear what that would mean for you guys and the proposal in general. Thank you. So to Peter, the existing line, I'm glad that we had it for redundancy. I'm all about redundancy. But I would say in the condition that we're in, this would be as good a time to use a redundant supply for expediting water. And then if we so elect to still need something for redundancy, to continue to pursue that.
Yeah. Correct. That's what we had talked about, councilwoman. So the line is there the redundancy, coincidentally, is is to cc polymers primarily. So we can backflow it, but we have to analyze it and then make a recommendation, do we need a second line now to replace in case a redundant one is needed? But you're right, we would use the line that's there not being used today.
Okay. So if we're looking at 14 to 22 potential million gallons a day going into our water system, whether that's directly to our system or a hybrid directly to our system because of constraints on the current conveyance line and then partially to go through a different source to a customer. That's like 73% of what we were talking about on our plant for less than $1,200,000,000 of what we were talking about on our plant for minus two years of delivery. So to me, at approximately 89% of the 1,000 gallon cost we were looking at for ours, I don't see any reason not to move forward with at least negotiating. And of course, I wish the best speed and luck to the project because that's what we're looking for.
That's what everyone is looking to this council for, is finding water. So an easy yes to this is to find water.
Just a quick comment to the financial aspect. Once we negotiate rates, we will we will look at the the impact to the overall rate over the term of the contract, whether that's 25 or thirty years, taking into account that price escalation as well. So that'll be an important factor that staff will have to provide counsel at the time of bringing the contract back for consideration. We want you to have all the facts.
Appreciate it.
Yeah. Thank you, Nick. Well, clearly, this is something that the council supports and basically no no cost and no risk until or unless Yeah. You know, water is produced. I would caution though, Peter, that we're careful with, you know as this moves on the negotiations you know however they move on and it's a lot of you know back and forth and that we're careful as was mentioned by Councilman Barrera in relaying to the public you know we're going to have this this many more MGDs by the end of the year or by what you know what whatever if that moves we just need to be very realistic with that because I think that is a valid concern.
And also, Peter, if you could maybe send us a memo, something saying like, at what point do we have enough and we're not all the unsolicited proposals. Yeah. You know, where where where do we where do we say, okay, we're good. Yeah. We're we're good. Because we're we're just going, okay, take from here, you come from here, you came from here. I mean, where does we we'd like we need to see
Okay. What got you that
overall picture looks like. I know it's fluid. Yeah. But if you could do that, that would be very helpful.
Okay. One
second. So with that, thank you. We have a motion and a second. Okay. So please submit your vote. This is item number 12. I didn't open public comment. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on item number 12? Okay. There being no public comment, please submit your vote.
Okay. The motion carries. So at this time, we are going to break for lunch for thirty minutes. Well, maybe forty. We'll be back at 04:30. 04:30 exactly. We'll be right back here to continue with the meeting. Thank you.
Okay I'd like to go ahead and and resume our meeting. Our next agenda item is Item number 15 it's a discussion and possible action. On 08/29/2025 petition from Rachel Caballero for the removal Action against mayor Paulette Guerardo. Staff.
Is a three person memo item. I have some materials, but, I think it probably ought to start with the person who made the three person memo proposal. But I have some handouts if y'all are interested.
Okay. Council member. I'm sorry. What was that? Okay. Council member Hernandez.
Okay. Alright. Thank you, mayor Pro Tem. You know, there's a lot of discussion on this whether we would bring this up to council. But the way the the the the way the charter reads, a removal action by the council may be instituted on its own initiative, which would be council members ourselves, or shall, and I I emphasize shall, be instituted upon petition of five or more registered voters.
Any final decision will be approval of members shall be a majority vote of of all council members holding office with the exception of the challenged member. There are some options here, but, ultimately, the word shall needs to be bring brought in. Now I have a real hard time with this this charter that says only five registered voters, five or more registered voters can can do this. I have a real huge problem with that because even just to file for office, you need you need, oh, like, a 100 or a 100, 105 signatures depending on which district you live in, just to get on the ballot if you did it by petition. So this is this is probably something we need to address as a council to, make this a little the bar a little higher.
However, this is the charter we have, and it you know, it's something that we need to go ahead and go through. So just because this is the discussion we have some we have a few options here, and Miles will kinda go through a little bit, But it's to to go ahead and pursue a hearing, refer it to the ethics commission, or terminate the process right now based on some of the information that we've had. And, obviously, see some of it during public comment, but there's a lot of information that we see, specifically around this. And, for those of us who've been on council for a long period, you we've seen it since the inception back February 2020. As a matter of fact, the agenda item just right after this one is gonna talk a little bit about how our own records don't reflect, the correct info the correct information.
With that said, just because there's a hearing or just because it goes to the Essex Commission doesn't automatically mean that the that the mayor or any accused, council member was is going to be removed. There could there's a lot of options from that hearing as well, including suspension or censoring censoring the the individual or nothing, depending on the results of the hearing. So just because this whole this is a process doesn't mean that this is an automatic. It's just not. And so because of our of how this is written, how our charter is, we have to go through this process, and we we ask that you take a look at it from a from an unbiased perspective.
I have not made any comments in public associated with this. I just wanna make sure that we go through a process in accordance with the charter. So I'll with that, I'll leave it at that.
Okay. Miles, do you have any?
Yeah. I'm actually gonna hand out the charter provision here so everybody has a copy. Then I'm gonna go through these provisions because they are very detailed, but there are options that the city council can decide to take based on these provisions. And I've already met with some of the council people to to lay out some of the some of the choices, but I do want you to to let the council know their role of council and the role of of of the attorney. The role of the city council is to be essentially the judge and jury here.
The the the judge, quasi judicial judge of in this process. The petitioners are one group, and then there, of course, there's a defendant as well. But, let me now that everybody has the handout, I I first wanna go through the provision. Removal a, a council member shall be subject to removal by the council or by other means authorized by law. And there are six different reasons that a council member may be removed that are listed.
They're very broad. And I'm gonna let you all read those y'all selves. B, and this is where the details become important. A removal action made by the council may be instituted on its own initiative or shall be instituted upon petition by five or more registered voters. In this case, you have a, removal action that has been initiated by petition of five or more registered voters.
And then I broke out this removal provision into bullet points just so they're easier to read. Any final decision to remove the member shall be by majority vote of all council members holding office with the exception of the challenged member. The council may provide by ordinance for the referral of any disciplinary matter involving a council member to the ethics commission for recommendation. And and that this kinda opens up one of the possible decision points by city council. If you decide to refer this to the ethics commission, since you don't have an ordinance of referral in front of you, you would probably ask staff to prepare an ordinance to refer it to the ethics commission or ask for such an ordinance.
Ordinance. The challenged member shall have the right to written articles of impeachment and opportunity to be heard to be represented by counsel to summon witnesses who shall be required to give testimony and a reasonable advance notice of the hearing. I'm gonna go through these one by one. Articles of impeachment, you the the somebody's gonna need to officially adopt or or recognize these articles of impeachment or at any point, those can be demanded by the defendant. An opportunity to be heard, of course, this is due process is the right to be heard, the right to notice of a hearing.
That's basic due process for any defendant. To be represented by counsel to summon witnesses who shall be required to give testimony, the both sides will have the options to summon witnesses, essentially, as the and to reasonable advance notice of the hearing. The burden of proof shall be on those bringing the charges. The hearing shall be open to the public, and the conclusions and findings of the council shall be final. If the member is removed, a complete statement of the reasons therefore shall be filed with the city secretary.
The council shall additionally have the authority to reprimand or suspend a member for a period of not more than thirty days if removal is not warranted. So there's two suspension provisions in here. C is the second suspension provision. Pending charges for removal, the council may suspend the challenged member from office for a period not exceeding thirty days by a majority vote of all council members holding office with the exception of the challenged member. D, commission of the any of the violations specified in paragraphs one through five and a above shall additionally be grounds for forfeiture of office in proceedings pursuant to state law, and e, a member who is removed from office, whether pursuant to this section by recall or other legal proceeding, or who resigns after such proceedings have been initiate have been initiated shall not be eligible to be appointed to or run as a candidate for city office for two years from the date of removal, recall, or resignation.
Now I wrote down a couple of additional provisions that you when deciding procedures, we're gonna need to be very cognizant of. The Texas Open Meetings Act, City council can may only act pursuant to a meeting open to the public on a subject that is properly noticed at least three business days ahead of the date of the meeting, and that works out if you have a weekend, it works out to about six calendar days of minimum notice, and sufficient detail to place the public on notice of subjects of the meeting with specificity required of the anticipated city council action. And you're also gonna need to understand to be cognizant of the need for any def a defendant in this type of proceeding to have US constitutional due process. Minimum requirement hearing, and notice reasonable notice of that hearing of any action that could adversely affect that person's property or personal right. And, of course, this is a that type of action.
Okay. Thank you. With that, I'll open it up for questions. Questions or comments or Council Member Hernandez.
Okay. You know, we're we we need to open up for public comment for the information to come to us. Obviously, the petitioners are the ones that are gonna have to have the burden of proof here since this was initiated by the petitioner. So I'm not you know, I wanna make sure that they have the opportunity as well as anybody else who wants to make comment public comment in support of the mayor or in support of dismissing this process. So I think that's, you know, that's appropriate. Okay. Thank you.
Council member Cantu. Thank you. So I wanna read out a statement that I prepared. Let me clear something up right now because there's a lot of confusion out there. This item on the agenda was not brought forward by me or any council members who tried to remove the mayor.
That's just not true. What this is is a petition that was submitted by residents back in August. Under the city charter, when a petition like this is filed, it meets the requirements, we shall move forward with a hearing, not maybe, not if we feel like it, it says we shall. So exactly so that's exactly what we're doing. Right?
We're moving forward because the resident residents filed the petition. Now I'm gonna be real with you guys. I don't like this part of the charter. It only takes five people to put a petition together to remove a council member. With other things, it takes sometimes 10,000 signatures, some take a 100, some takes 1,000.
I don't like it, but I can reassure you guys that if a petition was filed against me or any other council member up here, we'll be we'll be hearing it. But whether I agree with it or not, my job isn't to pick and choose what part of the charter we follow. My job is to uphold it. This isn't about picking sides. This isn't about politics. It's definitely not about personal agendas. This is about the process. Every resident in this city has a right to be heard. The petitioners deserve to present their case, and the mayor deserves the same exact opportunity to respond. That's how fairness works.
My role here is simple. Make sure that the process is handled the right way, that is transparent, and that both sides are treated with respect. At the end of the day, this is bigger than any one person. It's about respecting the rules that we all agreed to follow as a city and as a council member. We're
going to
hear it. We're going to do it right, and we're going to let the process play out. And I feel that we need to move forward with one of the three and put this behind us. And so, with that being said, I wanna council members feel, and we go from there. Thanks.
Thank thank you. Council member Campos.
Thank you, thank you Mayor Pro Tem. Okay. So I also prepared myself some remarks. You know, basically, we're at a crossroads. There were several depositions that were obtained, you know, on the Elevate Hotel Suite case, you know, starting from our city manager with Councilman Vareira, Councilman Roy, Mike Culbertson, Heather Holbrook, and and, of course, the mayor.
So from this, Heather and Mike have resigned. Councilman Everett has remained diligent about removing himself when the case even comes up, so I really applaud him for that. The mayor and the councilman Barrera have remained adamant that nothing happened here. There was nothing, you know. So the case has been investigated, and it has been stated that nothing illegal occurred.
But here we are, right? I believe that the intentional steps done by Philip Ramirez to mislead this council to obtain the 2,000,000 type B fund should be considered illegal. But yet it's not. What steps can we do to stop this kind of transactions in the future? You have two individuals, Philip Ramirez and Devin Bakta, that directly contributed to the mayor's campaign, but that's not illegal.
So, again, we're still here. We are left with proceeding forward or doing nothing, accepting business as usual. Well, this does not sit well with me. I support moving forward, either letting either the ethics committee or a hearing take place. I believe ethics and integrity still mean something.
It still means something to me, and it should mean something to all of us. So that's where I'm at. I believe that the only way we can stop this kind of dealings and business as usual is if we address it directly. So, I'd like to hear what the rest of the council members have to say.
Thank you. With that, I would like to go ahead and open it up for public comment. Let's just remember the rules of decorum that were explained earlier, but we'll go ahead right now and open it for public comment. Thank you.
Susy Luna Saldana. I come before you with one thing that I want you to remember. I did not vote for the mayor in the last election, but a lot of people voted for her. And I believe in the right of the voters. The voters have a right to decide what happens in any situation and the 1% people that you have been hearing from are not the amount of people.
The person that brought this charges forward is not even here. Okay? It takes the amount of people that the signature that she has is less than 1% of the people that voted for the mayor. Although I do not I did not vote for her, I believe in the right of the voter. The voter should have a right to decide.
So if anyone wants to remove the mayor, do it at the ballot box. Do a recall election and remove her because we have respect the voters. And as far as being given contributions, my city councilwoman gets contributions from the environmental group and she votes strictly with them so that we punish her for it. Every single one of you have received contributions. I receive notice after notice of who contributed to you.
I don't care as long as you're not doing their bidding which some people are, and they should be removed from office, but not this way. Do it the right way. Do it the way the citizens want you because a few people that are allowed here are not the people. The people are the whole group. Thank you. Do your statement of fact, please.
You. Statement of fact.
Statement of fact? I
I don't know what groups she is, referring to. So, just statement of fact. I don't receive. Don't know. Whatever you're talking about. So, statement of fact.
Okay. Thank you.
Hi. Tony Reyes, Corpus Christi, Texas. I just I'm just here as a citizen. Okay? I'm just gonna tell you that. But you just opened the door. You just said five voters. So if there's a queue coup out there, say, you know what? I want you out. I want you out. I want you out. You just opened the door. See, to say yes to this, now they could come and says,
hey, how come you didn't say yes to giving him out? You said it to them. What's up with that? You're setting the road.
I don't I'm just asking a question. I don't know if this is the first time that this has ever happened, but as a citizen, I'm like, woah. This can really get ugly. So something to think about. We love our city. We all wanna be unified. We all have we all have challenges. We all have dirty laundry. We all have challenges that we don't wanna be brought up,
but yet we've gotta work together. That's what it's all about, guys.
We voted for you to vote and and make progress, not to make dissension. So with that being said, just remember the road that we're opening. And, you know, it's it's something to think about. Thanks.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, council. Marcus Lozano, District 2. And I've come here today to speak what I believe is the truth. I believe that a certain group of individuals on council have waged a personal vendetta against the mayor. These individuals have become laser focused on wiping her out in one way or another.
What she votes for, they are against simply because she is the mayor. Paulette has dedicated herself to serving the people of Corpus Christi term and term again without fail. She pulled us through COVID. She implemented programs that gave our community national notice. Yet, certain individuals who were previously not on council show up, alter focus, begin feuding, and now we are struggling as an entire community because certain individuals cannot stop their bullying or put their personal gain aside.
I believe in Paulette, and I believe in what she's done in the past and has continued to do for us. Also, somebody phoned in earlier, and I'd like to correct the record on that. Regarding the hotel investigations, I believe that every one of you all was investigated. Correct? They said that you all were excluded from that investigation.
I do understand that you all were, again, investigated. All I ask today is for you to stop your feuding, stop your bullying, put aside your ulterior motives, come together as you were elected to do, and provide for our community. In a time of crisis, we need you focused. Focused on progress, on development, and focused on the future of Corpus Christi. Thank you.
Thank you.
Sandra Meyer d four, I try to be extremely objective when I'm dealing with y'all. Five votes is nothing. Y'all had this since last August, maybe early September, and you didn't do nothing till now. I suggest that you set drop it and just know that y'all need to change the five votes. The police department has investigated it. The outside law firm has investigated it. I do not know what the ethics commission's gonna do that the others haven't. There's policies and procedures that need to be fixed. I'd rather hear y'all talking about that. But I'd please set it aside, change the number of voters that's required. Thank you.
Thank you.
John Hanzlik, District 5. I would just like to urge y'all to take no further action on this. It seems to me that there was an investigation, a thorough investigation with no wrongdoing found. And to take further action would seem, in my opinion, to undermine the voter. Right? There's another election coming up in November. At that point in time, we, the citizens of Corpus Christi and the voters, will decide that. It it really does seem like a witch hunt, and, the council really has more important work, in my opinion, to be done for the citizens of Corpus. Thank you.
Robin Cox, District 3. And I know you all said they only needed five. Well to this day we have 2,260, so we got a little bit more than five. So if you want to change it to 2,000, we got it. And that's the people that were willing to sign. A lot of people said I want to sign, but I'm afraid. This is the point we've come to where people are afraid to come up here. After the display last week where elder women was almost arrested and the police, and I felt so sorry that they were called to have to do that. I'm sure that was uncomfortable almost releasing her. But as far as just letting things go, yes, we have a water crisis, but you don't still let crimes happen under all of this.
And as far as getting the other five, we're proving that something was maybe not criminally wrong, but it's ethically wrong. We can't do a pay to play and do this kind of favors for people. If you're if we wanna find out the truth, and that's all we're asking for, we're not asking her to be removed right now, we're asking for everyone to see the truth. Maybe there's only seven months left, but I mean if if OJ would have come up and he would have had his whole football team come up and say, no, he's great. Let him stay on here. Would you go, yeah, you know what, he did it. Oh, wait, everybody did do that. So we can't allow that. We've got to have a trial and find out the truth about this. We are being bullied up here when we come up.
I myself was, I mean, called disgusting. We're made to feel if we're not in that certain niche, you're out. And everybody has to be treated fairly. So I think we need to go forward and at least let the public know, especially for the people that are afraid to come up here. It's terrible that we live in a city where people are afraid. Thank you.
Thank you.
Good afternoon. John Bell, 13750, Primavera in District 4. And I think it's very important that you're addressing this issue today. It's an important issue of concern. And as a person who was involved in writing the city charter in 1984 and the code of ethics in 1999, I'd like to provide you just a little context for the things. Yes, mister Arundes, five people can start this process. Don't blame it on us in 1984. It goes back to the nineteen fifties. It was a provision that was carried forward. And the concept is that five people can bring about, a notice that something might have happened.
It is then for the council to decide what to do with it. And the code of ethics was written in 1999 partially in response to a complaint like this filed against mayor Betty Turner. And at that time, the council only had two choices. One was to say, we don't wanna go forward, take no action, or go to a hearing. They did not know anything about the complaint, and I've been racking my brain trying to remember what the allegation was back in the nineteen nineties, and I cannot recall it.
But we had a trial here, with Betty Turner. And and the consensus of that after finding out that there was nothing to do about it was that we needed an another alternative. And so the code of ethics was written, and I was tasked to have lunch within council member Mary Rhodes for about a year as we worked up this code of ethics that, I'm still living with. But, nevertheless, it provided a code of ethics. It provided an ethics commission, and it provided for disclosure statements so that the council would have a third alternative in this situation to refer something to the ethics commission in order to take a look at, in order to find it.
Because your obligation as council members is to make informed decisions. That is your greatest fiduciary responsibility in serving on this council is to get the best information you can from staff, from consultants, from the people talking to you from all sides as you get. I would suggest that you have become highly con informed about this issue because since it was filed in August, it has been basically tabled for until now while it's been investigated by a whole bunch of folks. Unlike the situation we had in the nineties where the council kinda went into the hearing blind, you know, wanting to hear what the allegations were. We've had depositions.
We've had investigations by attorneys. You've found out pretty much, I think, everything there is that can be found out. In creating the ethics commission, I was hopeful that they would be the Maytag repairman commission of Corpus Christi and that they wouldn't have a lot of business. That was just my thought. But and I and I've met with them. I've I've appeared before them over the last ten years occasion. There's some fine folks. You can ask them for advice, but I think you've got enough information. I'd be happy to answer any questions
Thank you, sir.
You might have about the history
Thank you.
If you have any. Otherwise, I'll just go back to my cave.
Thank you.
Thank you, John.
Do we have any other public comment?
Close public comment.
He's not going to. My
name is, excuse me. My name is Jim McKevin. I live in Corpus Christi. I heard one of my neighbors this morning say that she lived in District 2, so I guess I live in District 2. And I wasn't real sure.
Y'all probably know I've been retained to represent the mayor in the civil lawsuit. And let me just because I understand that you are gonna decide whether or not to have a hearing, we're not here today to go through the, her petition and tell you the things I think are inaccurate. Although, there are a lot. One is that Ramirez testified under oath that he donated to her opponent in the last election. And this minor contributions, I don't think would influence any of you.
Now this matter, as John said, has been investigated by virtually every law enforcement agency that has jurisdiction, and they found no problem no no fraud, no perjury, no forgery. And it's also been investigated by two outside law firms you handle you hired, and they also found no fraud and no perjury. Your city attorney and two independent attorneys have told you, if you think it's a bad investment, you can void it. That's one of your options you were given if you think this is such a terrible deal. And this as you know, this tax incentive is from a special fund.
It's not like you're taking the money out of the fire department budget. And it was approved during the time it was before the council. It was recommended by the type b board being aware of these allegations, and it's a meeting of the council on 04/24/2024. It was recommended by the Type B board, and it was recommended at the end, and it's I didn't bring the tape, but it's available by by the city manager. But but based on the type b board's recommendation.
So a year later, when there are depositions that are really cross examination deposition, the other parties haven't taken depositions yet. So we just, I would just like to point out that it's been mentioned here today that you're letting being asked to let five members of the city remove a a person on the the mayor who received over 40,000 votes of the citizens. And then the runoff, she had a runoff against a member of a prominent local family. I'm sorry?
Your time is up, sir. Thank you. I appreciate your comments.
Thank you, sir.
Next, do we have any more public comment?
Before you I haven't even started, and my time's running. Sorry. Sorry. But before you start my time, mayor Proton and council, I'm gonna direct my comments mostly towards the mayor. You can start my time now.
Okay. Again, mayor pro tem and council, good afternoon. All my comments are directed mostly towards the mayor. Mayor Paulette Guardo, a few years ago, you schemed to funnel hundreds of millions of tax dollars to your friends through the convention center scam known today as proposition a. Then you hatched a scheme with the EDC to give your friends and donors millions more in tax dollars in what was termed as criminal by city staff.
Mayor, I speak today because now you've taken it a bit too far. Several years ago, the port and other entities offered to help Corpus Christi with a large scale seawater desal facility in The Gulf. You did not just vote no. You publicly b rated the port and pushed out its CEO, the very CEO who put Corpus Christi on the world map. You also pushed out the economic development corporation CEO, the CEO who secured billions for this region, more than all previous CEOs combined.
Mayor, you squandered the state's resources, funding, and more importantly, precious time in favor of a toy diesel facility called as the Inner Harbor scam, which even if operational today would do little and nothing for the region, let alone its future. A few weeks ago, I cautioned you and forewarned you about the example of your actions that they are setting in front of the youth in this community. Last week, a resident spoke in support of the council's long standing initiatives to address violence against women. You interrupted her repeatedly and publicly called her disgusting few times. I read the articles of impeachment, and each and every one of them, they apply to the mayor.
The one that is most brazen is this. As an EDC board member, you took part in a confidential closed door meeting and texted your friends details of EDC's internal processes so they could secure millions through what the city staff called the FEMA scheme. Shortly after, you call them 42 times. The mayor's incompetence, malfeasance, misconduct will bring this entire region down. Council, I pray that you all have the courage to do what is right. Thank you.
Thank you. Is there any more public comment?
So Matthew Rankin, Corpus Christi, blatantly armed media. First thing you guys gotta do is consider the constitution. So as far as the five votes thing, I don't think there's a constitutional issue with that because this isn't a recall election. This is a vote by council members. So you can do that pretty much on your own under some city charters.
1% requirement or average for doing a petition is for doing recall elections, just averaging it out with how other charters go in the city. What you have to watch out for constitutionally is not violating the mayor's First Amendment. You can't kick her out for protected speech. So if this petition was over her making faces on the podium or winking, making a public comment, certain way she voted, stuff like that didn't count. You can't pull her out for that.
She'd be able to sue the city. I'm gonna be dealing with that in the city up near San Antonio tomorrow where they're doing exactly that to a council member, voting her out for asking a question of a staff member about missing money. So the rest of the council is going to try and vote her out because she found a little bit of corruption and missing money and started asking too many questions. So if they do succeed in the vote tomorrow, they're getting sued. But that doesn't look like what y'all are dealing with right here.
So that should be fine. Personally, if you guys think she didn't do anything wrong with the hotel, then okay. Right now, there's something else you could vote her out on, and that's her malfeasance in office and criminal behavior and getting so many people arrested and kicked out of these 2019, the state state legislature modified the Open Meetings Act where you cannot stop somebody for speaking for critical speech. It's five fifty one point zero zero seven e. She has violated that multiple times. Amanda Breland was arrested for saying goddamn. Thankfully, the prosecutor refused those charges a couple days later. Don't know if it's prosecutor or DA. So those got dropped pretty fast. So that's what I'd go with.
You guys can do what you need to. I'm just going to reiterate what I've said before. Fuck the mayor and fuck her enforcement of the decorum rules because they're unconstitutional and illegal. Do what you guys need to do. If you wanna change the five voters for the petition rule, there's a constitutional issue with it. But if you guys want to raise it to 1% or something just so you aren't getting bombarded with them every fifteen minutes, twice a year, probably be a practical change to it. You guys have a great day.
Thank you. Is there any more public comment?
Doug Allison, District 2. You probably know I represent a g David. And you we should probably all agree that this is something that is very polarizing in many ways. I mean, how can it not be when your city manager and assistant city manager have testified about it being a forgery? It's it's serious.
K? And I don't take it lightly, and and I don't think anyone should. And I think you've heard from people speaking out here today that there is a lot of passion and a lot of seriousness, a lot of hard looking at what's happened. And today, really, I wanna be very clear. Although I'm Ajit David's attorney, I appreciate that mister McKibbin, I've known probably forty plus years, I completely appreciate that he came and advocated for his client.
Ajit David, you can tell and you know his passion. K? And I'm gonna take a very different approach. I'm not here to advocate the case today for Ajit David. I'm not here to say he's right and the mayor's wrong.
We have something much more serious on hand. When we have 2,000 people that sign a petition, when we have as much public awareness on this issue as we have right now, I'm asking you to have the courage to listen, the courage to hear the evidence. I don't mean this critically. Most, maybe few or none of you, have probably watched all of the testimony or heard it or really reviewed Today, you shouldn't even be thinking about what side you're on. You should not even be thinking about what you're gonna do at the end of hearing the testimony.
You should be thinking about one thing, and that's the charter says you shall. You got it right, and you got it right. The Charter says you shall hear it, and that is the right thing to do. The articles impeachment are not an issue that has to do with ethics. It has to do with misconduct, has to do with violating oaths to the CCREDC. It has to do with helping perpetrate a fraud. Those are not ethical issues. Those are misconduct. It's not an ethical issue. And it needs to be heard, and you really need to do it in a public forum respectfully because there's so much public awareness.
If you put it to ethics and it just goes quietly wherever it goes, Whoever loses in that ethics fight behind closed doors will absolutely always feel cheated that there was not light put on it.
Thank you.
Thank you. With that sir are you coming for public comment?
Yes sir.
Okay.
Marshall Gardner, District 2. The petition that's before you all today, the issues presented therein are limited only to the issues with Elevate, QOF, the $2,000,000 appropriation. All of these other statements about other grievances people may have with the mayor, it's not what's before you all today. And that petition that is before you has six signatures on it. Six signatures.
It's all you have. They're asking you to undo the democratic process with six signatures. You may not have voted for the mayor. I may not have voted for the mayor. The other people in the room may not have voted for the mayor, but there were thousands of people who did. And now we have the signatures of six people that are looking to undo it, and I don't think that's something that anybody on this council should be taking lightly. And I don't think that you have. The matter that's before you today has been referred to federal law enforcement. It's been referred to state law enforcement. It's been referred to local law enforcement.
All have come back and told you that there was no fraud, that there was no quid pro quo, that there will be no prosecution. But to say that this simply there was nothing criminal that happened, that that's not enough. I agree, and you agreed. You went out and you hired Daniel Ray, an attorney out of Dallas, an independent attorney, and he was hired to investigate all of the allegations that are made in mister David's underlying lawsuit. He came back and issued a report.
The executive summary was made public. He presented in an open meeting. He found that there was, again, no fraud, no forgery established, that the ordinance authorizing these funds was properly adopted based on economic development, not the date the FEMA map was changed or unchanged, and that there was no evidence of any secret decision making that went on. He made some recommendations about policies that could be changed going forward, but he didn't say anything about any ethical violations, any malfeasance or neglect of public duties. He didn't say anything about the violation any violations of the city charter.
So we've had reports from federal enforcement, state law enforcement, local law enforcement, and an attorney hired by you all to investigate this exact issue. All have come back and said that this is fine. And yet six voters are coming to you now to undo the votes of thousands. Listen to the attorney that you hired to investigate this. Listen to the law enforcement. That's all I ask. You guys did a lot of investigation into this. Mister Bell noted that you guys are well informed. But every time you guys are informed, they come back and say that it was fine. Thank you.
Thank you. Seeing that there's no additional public comment, I'd like to close public comment. And Miles, I I just want a clarification on the next step. So basically, we are going to vote and we either vote to continue or not continue. Correct? That's the vote that's at hand.
Yeah. Actually, I if you if you decide you want to continue, I have a possible set of procedures that you could adopt and to go forward with.
Okay. So step one is we're gonna vote whether to continue or not continue. And depending on what the vote is, then there could be possibly another action.
Well, let me describe the possible actions. You can decide from from today, you could, number one, you could request staff to prepare an ordinance to refer it to the ethics commission. Number two, you could set set an agenda item and date on preliminary and procedural meter matters for the removal hearing. Three, you could deny the petitioner's removal action. Four, you could take no action.
Five, you could choose theoretically a reprimanded, but that would probably involve some type of mandated procedure for her to be able to respond. But, so really, the first four are the are the primary ones as far as your possibilities. Okay. Do you wanna hear do you wanna see the see the proposal possibilities? They're in that first box that's shown.
So you're saying that with this vote, there could be five possible outcomes?
Probably. Yep. Up to five, probably really four outcomes. Request an ordinance to refer to the ethics commission because that has to be done by ordinance. Set up preliminary and procedural hearings. Number three, deny the action, deny the petitioner's removal action, or four, take no action.
Okay.
Thank you. So, Stephanie, before we go forward, I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna basically go through that process. Is it similar to almost like when we do board nominations if you wanna select one, two, three, or four?
It could be yeah. I I
understand that. But before
Well, I think in this instance, council could decide to if a council member would like to make a motion on a particular action
Okay.
We can
do that and then vote on that action.
Okay. And then if it doesn't okay. I got you. I just wanna make sure. But prior to that, I've got council member Baretta.
Miles, at at what point? I mean, I'm looking at the petition. And at at what point do we decide whether or not they're valid? I mean, there's there's there's an act several inaccuracies in the petition. So is there a process where somebody has to determine whether or not this is valid? Or is it or we're in the process now?
You're you're in the you have to give the mayor due process to take any real action against her. You can always deny the petition because but you can request the staff to prepare an ordinance to refer to the ethics commission. You can set a set of procedures. You can essentially move forward with the next steps. Or you can deny it or to or or take no action. Nobody can force you to take action.
But, you know, candidly, I don't have a problem with five people bringing it to me. Because I think if there's somebody that knows that there's some type of level of corruption, then they should have the ability. But however, what I do have a problem is that there has to be some legal determination of whether or not these statements are accurate. And they're all inaccurate. So what is there is no process? I mean, can defer to John Bell if you'd like.
There's not a mandated process. That's why I provided the these other three boxes.
You're not You're but so you're you're basically telling me that then it's up to it's up to this counsel to determine whether these statements are valid. That's what I'm asking you.
You are the you are the judge. You are you are also the jury. I mean, is essentially a trial before the court.
Does that
mean yes?
You are the you are the judge.
I'm so I'm determined. So if I see this I mean, my first instinct is to deny the petitioner's removal because I believe all their their petition is completely inaccurate. I mean, every one of these is inaccurate. I mean, we all we we do know that that the mayor did not receive any any any contributions from mister Ramirez. We do know that. I mean, that that's the thing. We we and
then,
you know, my thing is is when does the madness stop? When does someone come in and basically state that, you know, Roland doesn't like the sun shining. And we believe that to be malfeasance. What is it? And Roland doesn't want it to rain. And we believe that to be malfeasance. I mean, it's ridiculous, such as the items here. And obviously the individuals who signed the petition. Speak speak with hostility to the mayor on a regular basis. Myself included. So at what point does it stop?
You're absolutely correct. And that that item in a three is a very broad hunting license for anybody that's named in one of these petitions. But you you but that's why the council kinda needs to take your your duty solemnly like a judge, when reviewing the these accusations, determine first or or is is there any basis for moving to the next stage? And if there's a basis for moving to the next stage, then you have a series of possible procedures that you could take. And and I will be the first to say this isn't just the product of one attorney.
We actually wargamed this in in our among several attorneys to try and make sure that this set of procedures would provide maximal protection to the city from a due process allegation and from an allegation that the AccuZee did not receive their rights.
Okay. You know, it's unfortunate because as I've said before, like one against this, these individuals have been hostile to the mayor. So basically, individuals that obviously do not support her, basically can make the statement. The other thing is there's baseless accusations. As I've said before, you have a motivated competitive hotelier who has a financial stake in whether or not the existing hotel is a success or a failure, of which I find unethical to be able to and I know it's legal that you can record a conversation with somebody without their knowledge.
However, I find it completely unethical to be able to utilize that and then cherry pick the information to play it in public comment to be able to disparage an individual such as the city manager. Now, do I agree with the judgment of the statements he said? No. But you know what? I still I still like 99% of him. You know? So I I utilize his judgment. But nonetheless and then the statement that he made was that it was appearance of fraud. He didn't say that it was fraud. And then the part of the reason, and I'm glad my part of the deposition was paid, because the failure because once again, of the cherry picked of the cherry picked information that was in my deposition, I basically stated that I never believed it to be fraud.
And I challenged the individual to be a to to contact law enforcement, and I wasn't gonna do it for them. They contacted law enforcement, and law enforcement felt there was nothing. And I wanna add that I was the one that basically said, if you have a problem, instead of investigating, contact law enforcement. And what is it? So I and and that's the thing.
I laughed at the ridiculousness of the accusations. And basically what it is is that, you know, unfortunately being in the insurance business, I've been in more depositions than I care to admit. But the chat the thing is is that I was prepared for it when you have a manipulative plaintiff's attorney that is basically serving the purpose of trying to further that of a motivated, competing hotelier who has a stake in in the success or failure of an existing property that is a competitor. So I just think that this is used to manipulate to be able to further that. And I find it very unfortunate.
However, that's a legal process. Do I believe it to be ethical? I believe it to be completely unethical. However but that does not apply to the to to what we have here today. So obviously, I've got these theatrics. How much time do I have? Nine seconds. Alright. So I timed that pretty well. But I think the idea of individual to speak to the opinion of the public of a nonelected official is I I I think it's just for theatrics.
Thank you. Council member Vaughn.
You know, this goes on all across the country. People are accused of things all the time in the federal, the state, and then it takes years to bring them to justice, the things they've done. The voters don't even know because voters are misinformed. We all know that. But all of this has been all over Facebook. Some of it's true, some of it's lies, and everybody does it. They love to type behind that typewriter. I don't do it. It's disgusting. But the only way you're gonna find out the truth is to hear it.
And if I was her, I'd wanna put my case before you so you could hear the truth whether I did or didn't do something wrong. We're not talking about fraud. We're talking about violation of ethics. And ethics do matter and honesty matters. They matter more than to me than anything when I'm sitting up here, is to be honest with the with the citizens. And if something was unethical, the voters have a law a right to know what went on. Now you sit there and say that that there was nothing wrong, that the police and the investigators said, they said those documents were altered. I asked the question. They were altered. That should put you pause. Why were they altered? Why were they altered? Maybe you don't care. Maybe you wanna put a blind eye. I don't.
I think that we need for me, I think we need to hear it. I'm not talking about fraud. And, you know, the lawyer said something about perjury. I never heard anyone say there wasn't perjury. I didn't hear the law say it, the police. I didn't hear our investigators say there was no perjury. Didn't hear that. But yet I've heard tapes. And I put a lot of in the mister Cinone and his staff, they said don't take it to the council. Don't do it. But yet we did it. So we need to find or they did it. I didn't. So I just think for me, I think we need to move forward. I don't think we have a we have a choice, but we heard 2,200 over 2,200 people.
They're concerned about it. So the public needs to know if there was any violations of ethics. If there wasn't, then you drop it. I'm not here to try and remove the mayor. I'm not trying to do that. But what I wanna know is I wanna know the truth, and I think the citizens have a right to know the truth. Thank you.
Thank you.
Council member Scott. Oh, hey. Somebody wait. So first of all, did I hear council member Baretta say that somebody's gonna file a motion that if you don't want it to rain, I'm gonna remove you? Let me tell you something. Caitlin and have decided if there's anybody out there that doesn't support rain, you deserve to be removed from the council. So let's just get that above. This is a a difficult deal for me. I'm friends with everybody. I have great respect, and I know this is gonna make half the people in the community mad, by the way. I have great respect for mister David. He's been a friend for years. His partner, mister Bugazi, I would consider a friend. I've had more than one drink with, mister Allison over the years, and I respect what I go to church with Philip Ramirez. It's it's not hard hard to hide.
He's an active member in our faith, and I appreciate appreciate what mister Bakht has done in the community for tourism and now his investments in downtown. I appreciate you all being here in the room, but I I agree this has profound interest from the community. But what I get back from the community is like, hey. Are you guys rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic? I mean, we have issues to deal with.
I understand the the ordinances shall, not will, or maybe, but this is terrible timing. It just seems to me like we are fiddling while Rome burns, and that bothers me. So if we can resolve this issue and move on, that is fine with me. I I by the way, don't think Mike resigned from the EDC over this. In fact, he was here today. He's does a terrible job of resigning if that's the case. I do think there's good policy and bad policy. I worked really hard as your council member, those one that voted for me, I guess. I I worked really hard to to try to make the right decisions. You hope that it it's good public policy and good politics.
Sometimes it's not. And I tell people that wanna run, are you willing to make the hard decision when it may not be good politics? And and I hope that in my heart, that's what I'm willing to do. I don't see the grounds after what I've read in this petition to move this this forward. So I'm not gonna support that. My question, Miles, is that can't people file an ethics complaint on their own? Does it have to go through the city council?
An ethics complaint is filed either with a sworn complaint filed with the city secretary alleging a violation of the rules of ethics. In that case, y'all actually added a procedural step when a person does a sworn complaint because you'd had a lot of junk complaints that were filed that weren't alleging actual violations of the rules of ethics. I have to look at it and determine that that actually would be a violation if it was proven. But that's not a not not a major step. If it's if you have a prima facie violation, it goes to the ethics commission based on a sworn complaint of one person. Actually, traditionally, there is a is a history on that. It used to be take five people in to file a to file an ethics complaint, kinda like the petition here.
But does an ethics complaint require now require counsel approval to go to the ethics commission?
No. Can I my
point is if someone has believes there's an ethics violation, then they could file an ethics complaint that would go to the ethics commission? But I guess it goes through you first. Does it come to the counsel?
All I do is determine whether or not it would constitute a violation if the statements that are made on the piece of paper Sure. Were proven.
Right. So you could file someone in this room could file an ethics complaint against Roland for trying to stop the rain, and it would go through you to make sure it passed the test, but it would go on to the ethics commission. It doesn't require direction.
Trying to stop RAIN? I would probably determine that's not a violation of the rules of ethics. But keep in mind, the rules of ethics are actually a lot narrower. The rules of ethics are narrower than the pretty like I said, it's a broad hunting license under section 11 a, because it malfeasance, incompetence, inability, misconduct. That that's that's a very loose open standard. The rules of ethics are fairly precise.
Well, get my guess what I'm trying to get. Do we can someone file an ethics complaint against a council member that doesn't and it does not require council approval? Absolutely. That's my point, that that that that I don't think that we as a body should forward an ethics complaint, and I certainly don't think we should have a removal proceedings. I think the people want us to move on. And I think we are, by the way. If you watch the council meeting today, we spend a lot of energy on water. So I I don't wanna I want I don't wanna act like we're not trying. But I do think the perception in the public is that we, you know, we're fiddling while Rome burns, and that bothers me. So anything I can do to to to move this to its termination, then I'd like to.
I I I I wrote a comment that Doug made about takes courage. I think my position takes courage. I I have no interest in making 50% of people in this room mad and some percentage of Corpus Christiands mad. But, you know, you asked me to make a a declaration of where I stand. In my my in my heart, I do not believe this council should refer this to the ethics commission nor do I think it should refer it to a removal proceedings. I think if you have an ethics complaint against a council member and you file an ethics complaint, it goes to the ethics commission. So so my desire would be to take no further action. And I think those are my notes. Thanks.
Thank you. Councilmember Paxson.
Thank you, mayor Pro Tem. You know, something that's very important to me and always has been is the voice and involvement and incredibly important role that the people have in government. That has always been a a cornerstone of how I view government. I have pledged to always put the people first. I campaigned on that.
I ran on that. I still believe that. I consider that with every decision I make, and sometimes the application of that can be complicated, and it can certainly look complicated. And even though we all worked really hard to get into these seats and we knew that that involved really hard decisions, I don't know if anybody up here could have at all imagined what the last fourteen months was going to actually mean sitting in these seats. It has been quite an adventure.
We have had to make decisions that I don't know any elected official that envies us for. Local, county, state, or federal, ask them all. This is a tough year to be a councilperson in Corpus Christi. That being said, I am still very glad to have this role because of the people. I recognize that we have a charter.
It is a governing document, and the people that we serve that follow those processes that ask us to review an item have followed protocol according to city governing docs to bring something they feel is a problem to us. They have a right, just like anyone else, to have that heard. That's why we're here today. That being said, justice, whatever that ends up being, has to be sought out. There's a lot that goes on in every every tier of law of our lives, our personal lives, our professional lives, our political lives.
There's a lot that goes on visible and behind the scenes. We have a due diligence that we have to complete, whether it's an easy decision or not. We have to sit here, and we have to give that process a fair run. It's not lost upon me that an election was had and a mayor was elected, and that is why, to me, it is of the utmost important that we give this entire discussion the most clear, fair parameters possible because just where there has to be justice, there has to be fair pursuit of that justice. That's why I was a big advocate when we signed when we approved having a legal evaluation of this process because for me, knowing that we were going to have to hear this, I wanted to know what the legal parameters, what the legal professionals had to say about this.
Whether or not something illegal transpired, now we have that. Whether or not something has transpired that was an ethics violation or a misconduct, we don't know. That's the point of the hearing. We have to let both sides come before us, give both sides of their arguments, and like was said across this dais, whichever side prevails is going to prevail, but that's the process. So to me, I think this is a very sensitive topic that has picked up a lot of public interest for a lot of different reasons, but we have to do what our responsibility is to do.
It's tough because of the timing of it, but we haven't, as council member Mark said I'm sorry, Scott? Council member Scott said, we haven't stopped pursuing our water responsibilities. That's taken up most of the meeting today. So I agree with council member Scott. We need to evaluate this. Maybe our evaluation parameters are a little different, but move through it. Give it the due diligence it deserves, and then move on. That's where I'm at.
Thank you. Council member Hernandez.
Okay. I'd like to make a motion to go with the the second option to set an agenda item for the next council meeting in April for preliminary procedure matters and hearing. Second.
What was the option?
Let's make sure the problem goes what that is.
Would you
read So I read I read from the second option that he provided us in terms of what we need to do next, which is the option number two to to schedule a meeting for the preliminary, and procedural matters, which includes accepting the articles of impeachment, schedule, pretrial motions and identifying the witnesses so they can be summoned, and adopt rules and procedures for the hearing in pretrial.
Okay. We have a motion and a second. So we need to go ahead and vote.
Go ahead, my honor.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see that. Before we vote. I'm sorry. I miss missed you also. Board member Bereda, then Scott.
Bless you.
I think it's obvious where this is gonna go, and I I'm really I'm really, really disappointed because I think as it was stated that it takes courage to be able to do one or the other. And I think it also takes courage to be able to state that if you read the the items, which I'm going to for the public, is that Philip Ramirez, campaign contributor to Paulette Wahar, already false, altered a FEMA screenshot, true, and then used the federal documents to solicit $2,000,000 from the Corpus Christi Economic Development Corporation, City Of Corpus Christi Type B Board, of which we have never talked to the type b board. That's the other thing. Which I'm sure, I hope that we talk to them. So that statement is false.
Paulette Poirier, prior to the reading, approved 2,002 million dollars to a war turret, was told by Peter Zazzoni that the federal document had been altered. Well, told us all. And the thing is, is that I would argue that it's more a violation of ethics to try and coerce the city manager and have him refrain from putting the item on the agenda to withhold it for the public process. So those individuals, and particularly one that recorded a conversation without his knowledge, I completely find unethical. And I think for us to hold it back because of political pressure is unethical.
Polly prior to reading of the ordinance to approve the two minute an hour to her contributor was told by a jeet David who basically has no understanding what fraud is and has already proven that it's not fraud. That it's already been proven that it's not fraud. So once again, that's another false Paula Wahadelow prior to the reading to her computer was told again by Ajit David, who once again, that's already been proven that it was not fraud. And when the city manager said it could be an appearance of fraud. And that was also said by the other assistant city manager who left on to I can see why she left because of hearing proceedings like this.
Other information confirms that Paulette Wahadel in advance of the reading of the ordinance allowed the vote awarded to $2,000,000 to Powlett's campaign contributor was told that the FEMA federal law document had been altered. Once again, and I asked in particular, I asked in particular, was this is this illegal? At that time, I asked. And at that time, they said the answer was no. Was no. Okay? So with full knowledge of the wrongful acts of her campaign contributor, once again, all this is inaccurate. Inaccurate. But yet, we're going to proceed with a hearing and an option. And I still have not been able to figure out what is unethical about moving forward with a process.
I don't know. So I know where there is any determination that any ethics have been violated, other than that of an individual who basically has a financial stake the success or failure of this hotel, of which they have their competitor. To make statements like scheme, to bring up about the poor, which is basically, once again, cherry picking facts, and to speak with condescension with regard to try to move forward, move to move a narrative forward is once again, in my opinion, that's unethical. But here we are. We're gonna move forward and we're gonna validate that behavior and basically tell developers, don't come to Corpus Christi anymore.
Because you know what? The buck is supposed to stop here. So that way we don't have these frivolous lawsuits and we inform those individuals that they should that we're then we're not gonna let them mess with our economy. They're they're decrying that the fact that, you know what, this has held back our economy because of the mayor's inactions. No.
I would argue that this type of behavior and the fact that we we placate this kind of behavior, it tells developers don't come to Corpus Christi. Don't come to downtown because there's gonna be some developer that's gonna argue it and he's gonna sue you and five, six five or six council members are basically gonna validate Hissid under the auspices of I just wanna follow the process. I just wanna follow the process. And mind you, three of those individuals, three of those individuals basically received contributions from the plaintiff, from the attorney, the plaintiff's attorney, and in addition to other other other those that are individuals are here. So, I mean, what's unethical and what's not?
You can't cherry pick. You know, basically, it's the it's ethics of convenience. And if you're my political foe, alright. Well, then my ethics are gonna be against you. If they're against me, well, then I'm sorry. Then follow the process and get five signatures to say so. It's really disappointing. Thank you.
Thank you. Before I go to council member Scott, I just wanna make sure that the public understands that what was on the table right now is option number two, and I'm gonna read that word for word, which is set agenda item and date on preliminary and procedural matters for removal hearing. Is that correct miles. Thank you. Council member Scott.
This number too? Got it. Hey, Miles. How long would this process take? Thanks for laughing. Appreciate that. Little humor. How long would this process take?
In order to give the the mayor enough time, for minimum due process to be able to summons witnesses, to be able to, react to the articles of impeachment once they're adopted adopted or accepted. The probably each of these should be somewhere at least twenty to thirty days apart. I mean, the normally, to respond to a lawsuit is is an appropriate guide for due process. You get twenty days plus a Monday to respond, which is, at the outside, twenty seven days, but twenty one at the inside. So you you minimum procedural due process depends on what's being taken away.
But this first the first meeting is just for procedural recommendations, so procedural review. And actually, the prior the prior proceedings that were done, the Mendez proceeding that we reviewed from 1987, it started with a separate hearing on on procedural matters. So city council could familiarize itself oh, well, and actually decide on how the rest of the proceeding would go.
So you see this happening when?
Like I said, each of these steps probably twenty to thirty days apart.
Sixty days.
Yeah. So so you have your procedural matters, and then probably, let's say, thirty days later, you have your city council meeting on pretrial hearing for removal actions that gives that's at at that point, you have the opportunity for the mayor to, summons witnesses at that point. Well, the witnesses have to have time to be served and schedule their appearance. So you gotta have the generally, the rules of procedure is about twenty one days on summoning witnesses in a civil type context. So like I said, that's why I assume twenty to thirty days between each of those boxes, at least.
I guess my message is I think the public thinks Rome is burning, and and we're about to own that concept because it's gonna be I believe it's gonna be perceived that we're fiddling while Rome burns or removing deck chairs on the Titanic. I think the public wants us to move on with the important issues which are we're on. And I think we're gonna now own this sixty day process if that's what it is. And and that I find that disappointing.
Could be forty two.
Board member Vaughan? I mean, I'm sorry. Council member Vaughan.
Well, first of all, you continue to move on with the city business. This does not stop the city. We've been dealing with that with water and everything else, mister Sonata. You've been doing a good job. The other thing is this council is not the ones that are under the microscope up here. So to sit there and say that that's wrong, we're trying to follow the charter. Give her the opportunity give her the opportunity to plead her case, and give them the opportunity to plead theirs. That's what you do in the court of law. I mean, you're proven guilt innocent until you're proven guilty. So you're not supposed to be talking out.
You should be doing that, not me. So anyway, sorry, Everett. But we we're not trying to remove the mayor. So that is not what we're trying to do. We're trying to find the truth. Do you not wanna know the truth? I was on the council in 2014 through 02/18. There was corruption then, and corruption has continued. I think the public has just desensitized to it and you don't wanna hear it. It's easier not to hear it. Just let it go. I don't wanna let it go. I want honesty and integrity back in our government. Thank you.
Please, no no clapping. Let's remain decorum. Ma'am, we've already had public comment. Thank you. Okay. So we have a oh, I've got another. Okay. Council member Cantu.
Miles, correct me if I'm wrong. So to change this charter, we have to take it to the voters. Correct?
Right. The charter is the con essentially the constitution of the city.
it. And so the voters have to approve it. Any change in it?
Are we working on this this year, the charter? Because, you know, everybody's complained about people giving people money, blah blah blah. Let's make it like Austin, Texas as a minimum $300 a person. I mean I mean, I just I mean, Austin is doing it the right way, you know, keep the corruption out. So the charter says we shall have a meeting. Do we do we supposed to shall have a meeting, Miles?
I don't think it says that. I'm gonna read that provision because it needs to be I mean, there are some things that need to be read precisely. It says removal action by the council may be initiated on its own initiative, its being the council's own initiative, or shall be instituted upon petition by five or more registered voters. That's that's not a verb. I don't I don't think that that's that that's directed at the council.
I think what that's saying is it's simply that type of action, once it's filed by five or more registered voters, exists as a matter of law. You have a, you you have a, removal action going. So you've had a removal action instituted since August when it was filed. And then the next step is up to the city council.
Okay. Alright. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Okay. So Question. Council member Campos.
Thank you, mayor pro tem. Okay. While we've been discussing this five member petition to remove the mayor, would we be allowed to discuss that in the pre if we were to go forward in that process, would we be allowed to discuss that five member signature request petition if we were to move forward?
If you move forward with the you know, all you're doing is setting the procedural preliminary and procedural matters.
So we can't then discuss changing that charter. We would have to
It's gotta go to
the for the You
you should put that
on as a separate item if you're gonna discuss changing the charter because that's a matter that's a serious issue to establish to to send that to the voters. And it would be I mean, it'd be essentially an ordinance to send that to the voters Mhmm. As a as a choice, and you'd have to decide what direction you wanted to go in. That would be a separate matter. Com completely separate. Talk
about it.
Yeah. But you'd have to you'd have to put out a public notice that you're gonna talk about that.
Okay. So when if we were to move forward on this, certify the articles of impeachment, and well, I guess, mayor pro tem, were you going to read the entire section two of what we're going to be voting on? Well because it's it's a long I mean it's got like alternative options request staff to prepare an ordinance to refer to the ethics commission, denial removal action, no action if the articles of impeachment are certified, charges are pending, suspension of the mayor up to thirty days. So, basically, we would be doing what we're doing right now on moving forward.
On on deciding procedural matters?
Mhmm.
Actually, on deciding procedural matters, the first thing you're doing is deciding what the charges are, the articles of impeachment. And those might be the ones that have been submitted by the petitioners, or they might be ones that you decide to adopt, trim down, or add to. And then you'll be scheduling a hearing, adopting the rules and procedures for the hearing and the pretrial hearing, establishing deadlines, deciding on the types of evidence that are going to be allowed, and having a standard of proof and order of proceedings. There's some alternates that you'll be able to choose from at that next city council meeting. Requesting staff to prepare an ordinance to refer to the ethics commission is always a possibility.
It's always an off ramp that you can choose. Deny the removal action, take no action, or if the articles of impeachment are certified, decide to suspend the mayor for up to thirty days.
Well, you skip the violation of of reprimand. What you we
Yeah. Just I think you would also have the ability to reprimand.
Okay. So that would be the other option is a reprimand after the
Miles, I wanna Going forward.
Yes. I wanna make sure we have an understanding because we have a motion and we have a second. And the motion and the second basically was for option number two and that's what's on on the floor right now is option number two, which is set an agenda item and date on preliminary and procedural matters for removal hearing. That's what they're getting ready to vote on. Correct?
Point point of order. I also said first meeting in in April. Just the fourteenth fourteenth I that will. Believe.
So we'll have to amend that with No.
No. I said the first meeting
You said that in the motion.
Make sure it's April 14, right, not April 9?
Right.
City secretary, could you read that back so that we make sure we have the entire verbiage? So I
have a motion to set an agenda item and date for preliminary and procedural matters for April 14.
Did you could you read that one more time?
A motion to set an an agenda item and date for preliminary and procedural matters for April 14.
You need to say for removal hearing. You left that part off.
Okay. So make sure I it correct. So a motion to set an agenda item and date for preliminary and procedural matters for removal here fourteenth.
That is correct. Is that correct? Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Let's go ahead
and vote. Okay.
Do your light.
This is this is there we go. This is not to remove the mayor. Correct? Just wanna Hearing.
No. It's it's a hearing.
No. I'm gonna read it again so that you understand what it says set agenda item and date on preliminary and procedural matters for removal hearing. That is item number option number two, and that's what was put in a motion and a second.
So what I'm what I'm the question I'm asking, Miles, today's vote is not removing the mayor. Correct?
Correct. Yeah. You're you're simply
you you are Sorry. I wanna find out. Thank you.
You're operating under the removal provisions of of that section of the the chart Yes. Which is titled
To go forward with the procedure. Correct. Thank you. In layman terms. Alright.
Everybody?
Thank you.
She didn't get a chance to vote. Yeah.
Oh, I'm so I'm so sorry. I'm gonna have to restart it, everyone will have to revote again.
Okay. The vote carries. The next item is item number 16, which is a discussion and possible action to correct 02/20/2024 council meeting agenda item number 24Dash0256. The
I got it. I it's on. Yeah. It's already on.
Oh, okay. Council member Hernandez.
Okay. I I submitted this agenda item, specifically because there the information in Legistar did not match what was actually proceed what was actually done during that particular council meeting. And, however, I didn't cash it initially because it was in Granicus or Okay. We good?
Yeah. Go go ahead.
Okay. So on 02/20/2024, this was a lot of the of the agenda item associated with elevate QOF and all the discussion around the the that particular issue. However, in Legistar, which is what is the cuss or citizen facing, was reflective of what of the agenda items that were done in the second reading, which was on August I'm sorry, April 23 and not reflective of what actually took transpired. Now Legistar is not our official record. It's actually laser fish, but everybody goes to Legistar because that's actual you know, when you go to to agendas and meetings, it takes you to Legistar.
So you have to go to the city secretary site to get to Laserfiche to find out the original the official record. However, we have Legistar and Granicus, which is all done by Granicus, a company called Granicus. And I say when I say Granicus, it's the iPad version of which we use here up on on at at Council, if you don't get a printed document, had the original setup. So Legistar and what we see in in what I see in the on the iPad were two different items. So what I'm looking for is to have the original documents set back into the 02/20/2024 agenda item on Legistar to match what's in Laserfich as well as what's in on the iPad Granicus version of it.
So if you could pull up that presentation that I sent. And I just wanna I wanna kinda have what this what what actually are the transpired of the changes. So if you change it to the next page. These are the two different agenda memos. One is from the April 23 meeting, and then the other one is from the original one. As you can see, the captions are different. The summary is different. The background and findings are different. So this was the original one that we're talking about, where to discuss mainly about the the FEMA information. You see FEMA listed there several times.
Next page. What was also removed was from the original contract with the type b is exhibit a, where it's talked about how much money was gonna be spent on on flood mitigation, which if you look to the bottom right, it says $1,500,000. Next page. This was also removed, the FEMA flood map, which was also part of the original presentation or list of documents that were in the February 20 meeting that were removed and are no longer on the February 20 meeting in the in Legistar. Next page.
And finally, the presentation was changed, and this slide was removed from the presentation. This is the infamous slide that was doctored. So, what we what like I said, I wanna make sure that what is reflective of what actually happened is in the February 20 in Legistard, so it matches what's in Laserfiche as well as what the information we see. Is that is that pretty clear in terms of
I have I have a question. So what you're saying is, do you want the the second is that the date that you're using? Go back to the date which you're asking to be modified.
Okay. If you go back to the second page. So the original the original meeting was on February 20, and all the documents associated with that February 20 meeting were removed and and replaced with the April meeting. And so if you go to February 20 in Legistar, it it doesn't have the February information. I understand.
Okay. So
and, you know, and I asked staff this, right, as to how did this happen? How did this occur? As a matter of fact, even the attorney that did the evaluation for us Daniel Ray, I believe his name was, also pointed this out as being an issue. As a matter of fact, I didn't realize it, so when he when he mentioned it, I went and looked at Ranikus and it was the same document, so I didn't know what he was talking about. Until it was pointed out to me that in the Legistar, it was incorrect. So I I guess, Peter, I need to understand how did this happen so we can avoid this in the future.
Yes, sir. Councilman Peter Collins, who manages our IT system, is gonna explain it, and I'll help him. We met yesterday to go over this. And so Peter, go ahead, and then I'll help him if you need the help.
Help. No. Let
me try to explain how it's supposed to work. Or first, how it happened, and then how it should work. Granite Kiss is a company that makes both products. That's a module, the iPad version, then you have the Legislature version. But the thing is so we have two readings. Correct? So the first reading, let's say you have four documents and the date is in February. Okay? So you go to counsel, you present it, and they say, you know, I'm not happy with a couple or excuse me. This looks good.
They approve it. So then it goes to the second reader. All the documents are the same. Okay? It just carries over.
Now we go again to example where you have it have a item that's two readings. You have your four documents that are saved for February. Council looks at it. They can either say this is good. Or they can say, we want some modifications.
But in this example, counsel didn't ask for a modification. So then it goes to the second reading. When I went to the second reading, the original documents were replaced. That's bottom line. But the way it should work is you have a two read in item again, two read ins.
You go to council, and council says, you know, we think this is great, but we want these documents to be changed. We don't like the ordinance or whatever it is, and staff says, okay. Then you go to the second reading. When you look at it, you see the four original documents, and then you see the modified documents that are actually added to the same item. In this case, you didn't see them.
That's how the system manages multiple or two read ins on it. So in this case, the original documents and the big question is is what is the process here in the city? Is that I'm not sure how that part actually the procedural part, but to but what happened was it isn't, which I've heard before. Well, when we did the second reading, it automatically overwrites. It doesn't it was the it was removed and the new documents were put in place.
Then the second reading came up. So when you went to counsel, you had the second reading, but it was the different documents.
Okay. So Peter. Yes. This is Peter.
Which
Peter Zanone. Yes, So
what he's talking about is that the original documents were removed purposely, replaced with the new documents. And however, didn't transfer over to the iPad version. So what is the proper procedure here if we wanna keep the original documents to the citizens facing so when they go there, they get the actual documents?
Right. So from what I understood, the system is managing this, the computer system, not people necessarily. So there's a unique ID applied to the memo. Right? And so the first memo has the unique ID. The second reading memo has that same unique ID number. And so it's gonna replace the first one. Is that right, Peter? No? Okay. You have to I
don't know
I had to read the correction.
Okay.
Here. But the point is
So we talked about yesterday, but go ahead.
Yes. Okay.
Because it was it I needed to talk to the company.
Okay. So You talked to them since yesterday?
Yes. And I haven't
we didn't have a chance to
Okay. No problem. I'm I'm a day off here then from what I understood yesterday.
Point is the document so let's just pretend you have four documents, a b c and d, four documents. Now you gotta change those documents. Those documents become maybe e f g and h. They're named different. The date's different. So instead of February the February 2 and the other one's April 4, the names have the dates on it. You don't overwrite an attachment. These are attachments within the system. Okay? Those are all the attachments.
And that's how you don't overwrite the documents.
So they were manually Okay.
My time's up so I'll wait till the second time around.
Okay. I wanna ask a clarification on that because And this happens. This isn't an isolated incident. I mean this happens and sometimes we actually pass things and then we say okay there's a it's a two reading ordinance.
Right.
So we know that we're gonna get additional information and our plan is to change the the the ordinance once we get that information. So are you saying that the information on the original ordinance goes away?
The way it was done, it was removed.
I'm not okay. When you say removed, who removed it?
Oh, it's a manual process. So what happens is once you are ready for council, you'll lock that item, which has say the ordinance inside that. You go to council that needs to be changed. So you get a new document. You're supposed to add it to attachments. The original can still stay there so you can see it. You can say, here's the new one and here's the old one to refer to.
You said the original can stay here.
That's an attachment. That and that's the regular process?
Well, that's what's cloudy. What has been the process? So the all the time I've been here, it's the first time about second readings. So I don't know. Maybe Miles can explain the process for that change.
When your lawyer's talking, I recommend we go into executive session. Who
are the lawyers?
I'm the lawyer. And and if you're gonna be asking me questions in order to actually ask those questions, I would recommend, we go into executive session because there is a live existing lawsuit on this on this matter.
Can we do that?
Yeah. Because keep in mind, as a as an as an attorney, everything I say to you is an attorney client information unless you have a knowing waiver of that privilege of attorney client privilege. So I do recommend you go into executive session pursuant Texas government code five fifty one point o seven one to consult with attorneys concerning legal issues related to rules related to the litigation matter related to agenda item 24 dash o two five six.
And with and with that, we'll go into executive session. We'll return.
Board verbatim. Correct or incorrect?
Yes, ma'am. Continue.
Thank you. And I agree that should be done. Thank you very much for your time, attention, patience, and decorum.
Thank you. Is there anybody else in public comment?
I'm compete. Oh.
Sondra Meyer, I feel like it is a good idea to have all the records from an audit perspective being out there. Current ones, old ones, clarified ones, have it all on there. Thank you.
Thank you.
Doug Allison, preaching to. If they can put it up on screen, all the better. I shared some data. You may have already just heard this. And if you did, I apologize.
I just think it is very important, and I appreciate the motion in that you are trying to restore the integrity of the record as it existed at the time of the actual hearing. In other words, you guys voted, and there was a record in front of you. And as, councilman Hernandez pointed out, it's not there anymore. Y'all are gonna restore it or at least that's the motion. I wanna make sure that you understand, if we can, what happened is mister Hernandez Gil Hernandez, councilman Hernandez has explained that there were, I think, five documents there at the time you had your meeting and voted on February 20.
And then after that vote occurred, it gets changed. This a living document in some ways, and that's there's things about that that are good. It gets changed from to be introduced to second reading. Then on February 28 at 09:58AM, and it gives you the name of the person who made the change. The hit the issue is on whose order.
But the first change that occurred is it went from second reading to withdrawn by February 28, clearly because there were problems reported with the alterations. Then on March 29, a month later, there were documents deleted. I don't want anybody to think that somehow they get you know, you load something up and it removes what was there. That's not what happened. On March 29, the FEMA FEMA flood map was deleted, the presentation slide that was altered was deleted, and the agenda memo was deleted.
And then on February 29, they also changed some of the wording. And then what happened is then on April 15, now they're deciding we're gonna try to read it again, and they changed it from withdrawn, so super important, to to be introduced. Since they had completely abandoned the FEMA narrative, instead of treating it like a second reading, their first instinct was to treat it like it was a brand new ordinance to be introduced. They made that change. Then on that same day, they also started adding some of the other documents that were consistent with the second reading.
I guess the point that I wanna make is I really appreciate the motion made and that I think it is important for the integrity of what has occurred to restore it. Because right now, if you get on Legistar, you you sign on to the city's website, you look at it, you go to February 20. You go to the documents just like any citizen would, and you're completely fooled about what you thought you were voting on.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay. Council
member Barrera.
Here, I I just wanna comment that that commentary is basically an opinion. It's not necessarily an effect. I think as far as, you know, right now, I think we're just fixing a system. I'm going to support this because I just want there to be clarification that we need to fix a system. I think it's no different than when someone goes in and they update a document.
I mean, this is my rather simplistic small mindedness. What is it? That if they go and change a document and they save it and it just it changes that whatever it was the changes that were made. So we're not we're not stating that anything that was done purposely or whatever it is, or that there's any integrity that had to be questioned. It's just we're trying we've got a system of which we're cleaning it up so that way in the future, you know, if anything, that's one the one positive thing that comes out of all this is that we can improve our level of transparency. And quit and and not and remove doubt. Of when a situation like that happens that it's nefarious. Thank you.
Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Let's go ahead and vote.
Mayor Pro Temp, just as a few for for reference, we did discuss, for future agenda item policies and procedures, so we don't have this kind of situation come up again to where any changes are identified within the agenda items so we don't inadvertently change past documentation and have a wrong information facing facing the citizens. Thank you.
We'll bring that forward, councilman. We don't need a three signature memo. We'll let we'll put that on.
You. Thanks.
Okay. Alright. And our last item is water supply update.
We have actions. We have one more three signature.
Did I skip one? Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. I skipped them. It's a motion to discuss and act on upon updating the drought contingency plan to define medical professional services as essential and also defining private.
I move for approval.
Second.
Okay. So we have a motion and second. How?
On number 17.
This is on number 17. We're on item 17.
don't have to.
Right. The first workshop is to go over the drought contingency plan and talk about other policy that has to be amended.
Right. Okay. Well, council member Paxson.
Thank you, mayor pro tem. So what I did was I went through other cities' drought contingency plans because in ours, there's no definition for essential services. There's only a definition for non essentials. If you look at Austin I'll I'll I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank. What is the big one up in West Texas? Gills from there.
Fort Worth. El Paso.
El Paso. Thank you. There's several there are so many cities in Texas that have a definition for essential services. So what I did was take those as they applied across other cities, and this item is just requesting to add that definition to our drought contingency. So to me, it's not changing how any of the fundamental any of the elements of how we're gonna move forward into who who's gonna have to do what for curtailment necessarily.
To me, this is going back to a foundational basic principle that I think should have always been in the drought contingency plan, because there's nothing in there to define essential services right now. There's nowhere that says an essential service is fire service, water needs by the police department, health and sanitation. There's nothing in there to define any of that as essential. So taking those definitions in those other cities, I added I'm requesting here to add that under definitions and create essential water use because if you go through our drought contingency plan and the other drought contingency plans, which theirs is a lot more tabular in the other cities. Each drought stage is very tabular, and it says who's this going to apply to, what are the measures, and then you'd have to resort back definitions.
They all reference, even in the city of Corpus Christi, that these various types of drought contingencies or drought restrictions apply to, end quote, nonessential water use, which makes sense. So it's written in there that essential water use is not being curtailed, but then we don't follow that up with any definition for what is essential water use. So with that, because we're essentially saying essential water use is exempt, but there's no definition. I went to other cities to get their definition because they all are are very consistent, and I'm saying that we're missing that as our as a foundational piece of the drought contingency plan. Another thing that was in there across the drought contingency plans is the piece for auxiliary water.
So basically, if you have an exempt private well or if you are going and grabbing the non potable water for landscaping. If you're using a source that does not supplement or take from CCW's potable water system, then that's classified as auxiliary. If you're using auxiliary water, you shouldn't be beholden to our drought contingency different stages. So for example, I had a constituent reach out because she has a private exempt well and she was actually given information from the city that she's not allowed to use that well except between ten and six, or after ten and six, as as anybody else would in the drought, but it's an auxiliary well. So I went to our drought contingency plan, and sure enough, there is no carve out to protect those auxiliary water sources.
So again, I'm saying we're just missing two definitions. That's it. And so I'm not trying to come in here and say that, you know, we need to have our water workshop right now. I'm saying there's two definitions that we're missing that by by by definition, they all they're already referenced in our drought stages, but there's no definition for them.
Yes, ma'am. So Brandon Wade, fire chief, and and I'm here helping, the water department on some of this with the drought contingency plan. So I just wanna speak to the first part, and I'll let Nick, speak on the water wells as as they're very, very familiar with that. So part of the essential water use, we do list nonessential, but what I would argue is 10 times in the drought contingency plan, we have what is
essential in there. And what that says over 10 times in our plan is public health, sanitation, fire protection, we list that over and over. Now while I agree with you that in the definitions, we don't have that in the definitions, but 10 times within the
drought drought contingency plan, we do list that we're trying to conserve water to ensure that we have for public health, sanitation, fire protection, and welfare and safety. That's listed over and over. There's some other contingency plans. I went to one to look at Phoenix. They live in the desert. They're always dealing with drought. They're the same. They didn't list it that way. They listed kinda how we have it. They did it only eight times, put public health, sanitation, welfare.
So while it's not in the definition, I think we are showing what is essential numerous times within the document. I would hesitate to get very granular with it. I think we could all agree as we met with them last week, a hospital is necessary for public health. No one's gonna disagree with that. The challenge is is trying to understand what the other part of this memo has in here, which talks about you just get exempt.
Nonessential water use and a essential public facility, they're not mutually exclusive. You can have a hospital that could potentially have nonessential water use. It could occur. It could be watering the landscape or what have you. I think what we need to do is be very careful about saying a blanket exemption for something such as a hospital, because there may be areas in which they can conserve water, and we heard some of those things that the hospital administrators are working towards.
The job contingency plan has a process for exemptions. And I would say, and I think they're using it to this day, exemptions with it is for those entities, such as a hospital that would be vital to public health, would still be able to apply for an exemption. They would be able to list who they are, what type of exemption they would need, and it also lists where they make an attempt to not, using the nonessential water, kind of things that they talked about. So one, I would say you could put essential water use. I'd keep it at a high level.
I think like we got it. I don't think we have to go in and say a dialysis list that in the definition. I think public health, we should know that a dialysis center is very important to public health. So we should be very broad, I think, in that definition. And I would hesitate like, really, really hesitate on putting just an automatic exemption.
Because what you do with an automatic exemption, if you look into it, I could be a business that thinks I qualify for public health, so they just assume I'm automatically exempt, and they do no efforts to conserve water. So that's why I think keeping a process that that has for them to file for an exemption, leave that as is, because, again, I it seems like that's what it is. It it they get an exemption automatically, and I'd be very broad in the terms of what is essential, such as public health, sanitation, fire protection, something like that.
So I would think thank you for that information. I I feel like we're basically saying the same things, and I think that's what's written, where it says I think and I think what you're zeroing in on is that last sentence. So if we need to put exemptions what is it? Essential use for these the following, which I think is what's what's satisfied in that first sentence. So what you're saying basically it's that second part that's the issue for yourself.
Yes. That where we start defining, because I I don't think that's all inclusive, but we're listing some things there. But it also, I think there potentially could be unintended consequences when you say as a facility, I'm just exempt because I am, considered an essential business. I don't have to do anything to figure out how to conserve, water. And there may be measures you could take as a business even though you're essential that could help and conserve water.
So help me bridge this gap. So right now, the way our drought contingency plan reads, there's references to you're saying there's references to non or to essential water use. There isn't anything specifically under definitions. That was my concern, is I wanted them to have a specific definition section. Right now, you're saying that all of our health care providers, even though we already declare health and safety as an essential use and therefore exempt, that they would need to go and get a request for exemption or variance even though we've already notify or declared them essential users?
How does that fit?
Although because it's a it they're essential. Their business is essential, but nowhere in here does it says does it say that they're exempt, that they get an automatic exemption. It says we are trying to preserve the water supply to ensure essential services, such as public health sanitation. There's nowhere in here that says they get an automatic exemption. It lists in the DCP how to apply for an exemption so that they can then submit, and and we'll take again, for a hospital, they may say, we need this amount of water to sustain our operations to care for our patients, and that may be a qualifying exemption.
However, in that exemption document, there is a section, and I think it's it's on item number let me look here.
It's 12.
Item number seven, when they're filing for an exemption, they also list, here are the things that we are doing to conserve water. It may be I think we heard one of the hospitals say, we're sending our sheets to be washed up to a facility in San Antonio. We're gonna we're taking these steps to help preserve water, but maybe we need some disallotment of water to take care of our patients. That could potentially qualify for an exemption when they're applying for it. So that's where I'm saying, if we keep the essential services broad, public health, safety, you know, fire protection, things like that, someone can still file for an exemption under that category.
It can get evaluated to ensure that that business actually is within that category, and then we can see what exemption they're actually looking for. I could use an example of potentially a dog kennel. I think if if dog kennels, we don't we need pets to have water, their dog kennels probably need to be cleaned. Right? A broom is not gonna clean a dog kennel probably very well.
They may apply for an exemption to be able to use a hose and spray out a dog kennel, but I wouldn't wanna provide them an exemption to use a power washer to do their building, to do their patios, and everything else. And that could potentially be assumed by just saying, you're exempt because you're this business. So that's why I think it's imperative to still have that exemption process that they would have to go through to qualify for it.
Okay. Thank you. Council member Scott.
Are these are these things we're gonna talk about next week? Is this part of the next week's conversation? Yes. So we would we're gonna we're gonna talk about what you two are talking about next next Tuesday. Alright. Okay. I I didn't know, but so I'm okay with putting this off and doing it in a larger context. That's just for my counsel.
And and I don't know if you want Nick to talk about the Wells. He's he's got more information with that.
Thank you, chief. Nick Winkelman, chief operating officer. One of the things about wells is we know they are used for things as irrigation, especially in in Flower Bluff and and the island, And there's not an issue with that. What we are concerned about is a potential cross connection to our water supply system. Previously, and what can happen in a groundwater well, when a homeowner may inadvertently connect it to the water system, there might be what's called a cross connection resulting in back siphonage where the water well, the water from the well could enter the water system.
That water from the well isn't treated, it's not disinfected, it doesn't meet the TCQ standards. It may inadvertently cause a failure in water samples, which may inadvertently cause a boil order notice.
And I and I appreciate that. I know that we looked at that when we passed this contingency plan last, so I I understand the importance of that. But
Your time is up.
There's no other lights on in Mark's boat. So time. We get to speak twice, don't we?
She paid me,
Just for the record. Okay.
So the issue is they're still being held to the same timelines and standards that potable water users are being held to you. You can't utilize your well except between ten and six. That doesn't make sense. It's auxiliary. So my concern is, of course, if we don't have it written in our policies to protect them, then then let's look at our policies. And so this, to me, feels immaterial to the grand scheme of things because it's not the potable water system.
I I understand. I just want us to be clear because words are critical, and things could be misinterpreted where a homeowner may look at that and say, auxiliary water, I have a well, I'm gonna connect it into my house because I'm trying to save the city water. And and these are these are typically small diameter PVC. The average homeowner can handle that and do that. The homeowner, not intentionally, but could cause the city to go into a boil order notice. We want to make sure the wording and the phrasing is absolutely correct.
Have I done a bad job with my proposal?
I didn't say anyone did a bad job, but I'm saying that words are important. You know? It's like
doesn't make it look bad.
I'll ask that one next.
It's you know, text text without context is pretext, so we gotta get it right. And and in a document like the DCP is very critical. Many people review it. And as just to echo what the chief said, we need to make sure that the wording is correct so there's no misinterpretation.
Well, this was posted almost a week ago, and I I quite literally copied the form and and words from the other cities for for their drought contingency plans, so I'm not concerned about those definitions. So I I would be quite surprised if no one has read them with it being on the agenda. And and my concern is we're not discouraging people from having a private exempt well. We're not discouraging that. We have put safe parameters around that so that they can
do That's it correct.
Whether they have that well just for their irrigation, or they have that well just for their plants, their landscaping, or if they connect that to their pool, whatever they do that doesn't jeopardize our system, then that should be exempt from the same parameters of using our potable water system.
So in terms of the of the I will look into the the timing and the comment. I'll check with staff. I I'm I don't know for sure how the conversation was had, but recommendations are made when to operate your well just as a way to, advise people when evaporation is the highest. For instance, you wouldn't irrigate it at noon or 02:00 or 03:00.
But that's whether or not I want my grass to die because I have water or no water. If I have a well It's
just a
recommendation. I understand that, Nick. I totally do. These are good parameters for how to treat having a well. But I don't think that makes sense for us to say, conserve our potable water system, and then our community look to be a good steward, and then we restrict them further. That doesn't make sense.
So I think that's I I need to double check on that. I feel there are no restrictions on the use of of wells, but I would like I wanna understand what staff said what and get some context to it and get back with the councilwoman.
So I would think it's a compromise. I appreciate Roland's motion and second. If we take that that second sentence out for further review and look at how we can direct them to an application for exemption, but I still think those two definitions being added don't don't interrupt the DCP. And I hope that you read it in the week it's been posted.
Council member Vaughn.
Thank you for all your work you did on that. I can tell you did a lot of looking around there on the website. As for me, I just think we need to take it to the workshop because there's gonna be she's gonna we're gonna be discussing the same thing at the workshop so that we get it right because I think what the chief said and what you said makes a lot of sense. That's for me. I just think we need to go forward and we could be here all night talking about this and go to the next one.
Council member Vereda.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
I'm gonna withdraw my motion. And just I mean, yeah. Let's just talk talk
Well, can I can we have to have Miles weigh in here just for a moment? Because the this is a the the drought contingency plan was adopted as a as an ordinance. And so go ahead, Miles. Yeah.
The equal dignities rule requires that you you you you can't change an ordinance with a with a motion or a resolution. You have to change an ordinance with ordinance. That that's that's the first first concern I would have is that you're you're you're we would treat this as a request to draft up a change like this in an upcoming ordinance.
We That's what he said. That's what we can do. Yeah. But So if you do like a motion to to draft the change, and I like that compromise, but we'll recommend striking that last set
Roland withdrew his second. What was
that, sir?
Oh, so you second again? Oh, yeah.
Then we'll bring that back, the first meeting councilwoman in April. And We'll bring it back in the first meeting in April since next week will be a workshop. You know, so it'll be voted on on April 14.
We're striking
that word.
It Then
we'll have time too, and we can talk we can even talk more about it next week if we want to. Yeah. But that's good. Okay. I think we're good, Nick. Yep.
Thank you. Okay. So our this is our last item is a briefing on the water supply update.
Thank you. We'll just wait for the presentation to load.
How many slides you have Nick on there? Do you think?
There is probably 14 to 15 slides.
Okay. Thank you.
Today, we'll we'll give a brief update on the National Weather Service. We'll talk about our surface water supplies. We'll get into our groundwater projects, our brackish groundwater treatments, wastewater reuse, and, of course, seawater desalination. Up updates from the National Weather Service. So the first update will be from the National Weather Service. This is the drought outlook or the drought monitor. The thing I'd like to point out is you can see the rectangular box in our area. Cool.
Moment. Council member. I mean I'm I'm sorry. Hernandez.
Okay I'm I'm sorry to interrupt you Nick but this is something I need to get to What I'm finding is if you include a a presentation that is not a part of the original agenda, what happens is it never gets loaded into Laserfiche as part of it because they just download it from this. So please send this to the city secretary's office so it can be added to the official record. If not, it won't be there.
We got it. We'll do.
Okay. So that I that I came across that in looking at the previous agenda item, the the agenda item 16, where we talked about when the changes, we'll also find out that if you don't add you know, if you if you bring a presentation after the fact, it doesn't get loaded in the official document. So please, anytime you have that situation and, Miles, if you can you can keep keep a track of that, is that anytime you have a presentation that comes up after and it's not loaded into lays Legistar, it won't be added to Laserfiche. Does it make sense? So
We'll that a standard practice.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just
yeah. Okay. Got it. Thank you. We'll make it a standard practice. Yes, sir.
Thank you, sir. Go ahead.
The the the drought outlook, the National Weather Service calls this the drought monitor. I just want you to pay attention to the rectangular rectangular box in our area of Texas. It's fully in what's called a persisting drought conditions. This is the amount of rainfall the state of Texas has received in the last seven days, and that amount of rain is zero. So the entire state of Texas received zero rain in the last seven days.
Additionally, you may have heard us talk about the, Cotulla area. Kutula is located West of Cho Canyon. It is within our watershed. It has a monitoring station along the Nueces River, and the National Weather Service has weather monitors there. So it's a good measure for what the watershed is receiving.
The request to the National Weather Service was to provide information from Cotulla for the last five years to show us what the average rainfall is and difference between that and normal. So the normal annual rainfall in that area of the watershed is 21.68 inches. You can see over the last five year over excuse me. Over the last six years, we are well below those normals. In fact, that total is 21.99 inches below normal.
Additionally, for 2026, Kutula is 2.52 inches below normal to date for the year. The observed rainfall in Kutula was point seven two inches so far this year. And all that being said, it just shows the the type of drought that we're dealing with. Now, I'd like to talk to our surface surface water supplies. Lake Corpus Christi, the capacity is 9.3%.
Chill Canyon Reservoir is at 7.9% for a combined capacity of 8.3%. Lake Texana, the reservoir capacity on March 24 per the Lavaca Navidad River Authority is 55. The projected dates are on April 10. They are estimating that they will be below 50%. And on June 17, LNRA is estimating they will be below 40%.
So the number yeah. Appreciate, just to clarify. So the number provided is provided from the Lavaca Navidad River Authority. The Texas Water Development Board has a different number. Usually, it's about 2% less.
What we do know is the drought contingency plan is based on the numbers provided by the river authority. So in the presentations, you will always, and in my memos, always see that information. Talk about our groundwater projects. So the first is the Nuasis groundwater program. The well field is is complete, and we are operating within the protocols of the Ben and Banks permits.
The average pumping per day for the last seven days is approximately 4,400,000 gallons a day. The Western Wellfield, which is the 250 acres near Blundster, the bed and banks permit a temporary permit was issued on 03/18/2026. The next day, the well field began producing approximately four and a half million gallons a day. Today, another well was started. So tomorrow, we expect to produce approximately 6,000,000 gallons a day.
We are expecting to have four wells fully online by the March, expecting to have an additional two wells or six total online by mid April, and then the full well Field will be in operation by the May. One thing that we talk about is monitoring in both the Eastern and the Western Well Field. This is the Eastern Wellfield. The blue circles are the water wells. The teardrop water shape is the monitoring wells.
And then the picture to the right, that is a subsidence monitoring station. So we've worked with our hydrogeologist. Those are not installed yet, but he has recommended one subsidence monitoring station in the Eastern Wellfield, which we will be pursuing. Additionally, I would like to say that if you look at the on the right side of the picture, there are six wells in an area together. There is a monitoring well sort of in the middle of them.
That monitoring well, the water level remains about two feet below ground level. It stayed very consistent. Additionally, the other monitoring wells are anywhere from one and a half to three feet below ground level. The Western Well Field, again, it's the same scenario. The solid circles are the wells.
The teardrop shape are the monitoring wells. We also have, in this area, we have a number of monitoring wells that are outside the property limits. So we started pumping on Thursday. We checked all the monitoring wells on Monday and did not see any changes in water levels in the monitoring wells since we started pumping. Our hydrogeologist has recommended three subsidence monitoring stations. This would be on this property and also with the addition of the ERF property that's adjacent to it. So there will be three subsidence monitoring stations on those two properties.
What's the audit?
The well field monitoring program. This is a snip some snips from our website. It's on the securingwater.corpuschristytx.gov website. We have a video on what measuring the water level in your well is. We have information on water quality testing that's at no charge, water level monitoring, and how to reach out to us.
We also have a brackish groundwater treatment project. I apologize about the boring pictures on this slide. All this to just show the amount of engineering work that's being conducted. The picture on the top is some of the system curve information and some of the modeling that we're doing to design the conveyance line. Additionally, we have many permitting meetings that are ongoing.
Those include the permitting for the treatment, the reverse osmosis treatment, the discharge, which would include evaporative ponds, injection wells, and surface discharge. And then also, we are working very hard with on the right of way and the design of the conveyance line. There are actually three ground storage tanks required for this project. One is located at the Western Wellfield. Two will be located at Owen Stevens.
There will also be a pump station at the Western Wellfield, which is in design, and we are working with pump manufacturers to determine lead times and get get the on order. The additional civil work at, civil engineering work at Owen Stevens will include foundational work, piping, and concrete work, as well as electrical work. We are working with HDR, who holds our master service agreement for the electrical work at Owen Stevens, and we are working with AEP to get the power available for the brackish groundwater treatment. The delivery schedule ir we'll a of
we're we're
Now, we we'll do plan doing. To to get have the conveyance line, the pump station, and all the site work completed by the end of this calendar year. That is what the team is working towards. The Evangeline Groundwater Project, so the administrative law judge has been selected. The seller's attorney has requested a hearing date on March 31 or April 9 as a backup.
And then we just heard back today the potential dates coming back from the judge is April 13 or possible possibly April 14. So all that to be said, the the city is working with seller to try and ensure that the groundwater district gets that preliminary hearing set as soon as possible. No dates are confirmed as of yet. We continue to try and get this set and and put on the calendar as soon as possible. I do wanna just mention it's the groundwater district who has the responsibility to get this scheduled, and it's their responsibility to retain the administrative law judge.
Amendments one and two have been approved for guarding construction. It allows a lot of things to happen. Last week, I told you that, some of the HDPE pipe was in was being fabricated. There is the first delivery of that pipe expected to the site this week. It's approximately 7,000 feet.
Garning Construction will mobilize construction trailers early to mid April. And they've also issued many subcontracts to their subcontractors. Additionally, and it's not on this slide, but the sale agreement is executed, It's signed by both parties. So we're we're excited about that so that we can move forward. I do wanna remind everyone that closing doesn't occur until the permits are in hand.
When you look at effluent reuse, the city is engaged. It's it's certainly a multifaceted approach. The drawing at the top is an engineering drawing prepared by our dura who's helping us with that conveyance line from the also wastewater treatment plant to the Greenwood Wastewater Treatment Plant. So CCW and city staff continue to work with Valero and Flint Hills on the projects. Flint Hills is expected, their phase one, to take one MGD by the end of the calendar year.
The final phase is two to three MGDs, so that would be into 2027. Valero's phase one is 3,000,000 gallons a day, and their their final take would be 8,000,000 gallons a day. Ardura has completed the preliminary design of the upgrades at the Oso plant and also the alignment in the design for 15 miles of the 36 inches conveyance line. The full design is expected to be completed in July. We are working to put together a construction manager at risk contract for the delivery of this conveyance line from Oso to Greenwood.
That conveyance line will carry about 10,000,000 to 10,500,000 gallons a day. It's important to get the water, the effluent water from Oso to Greenwood where it can be further distributed to our other customers. Additionally, we continue to work on more contracts with other entities. The potential for reuse has always been approximately 16,000,000 gallons a day. That would be an offset to our demand.
Staff continues to work on other opportunities to maybe increase that amount. I don't have full details on that, but we're hoping that number can increase. If we could look to seawater now. Staff is continues to work with the Corpus Christi Diesel Partners for a contract for consideration at an April council meeting. The far field modeling contract is moving forward.
Our next committee meeting is scheduled for April 3. The modeler has stated that data would be available for discussion in April, with a full report to follow after that. If you recall, for that project, we would be required to have an owner's representative, so qualifications were received for owner's representative. Some people call it an owners agent. That would represent the city and work very closely with the Corpus Christi Diesel partners.
The independent cost estimator would be housed under that owner's agent. Of course, that's independent of the work that's being done by Corpus Christi Diesel Partners. Additionally, if a contract is approved with the Corpus Christi Diesel partners, the city would then put together a long term operations agreement and a request for proposals. Staff is currently working on that RFP, that request for proposals. The Harbor Island seawater desalination project.
The Nueces River Authority has received four responses for their development partner. They had they are anticipating selecting that development partner by mid June at their born June board meeting. They also have MSA agreements with LAN and also with HDR. Those two firms are working on the conveyance system. They have also received draft water right permit from TCEQ.
The Barney Davis seawater desalination plant council approved staff to collaborate with CPS Energy just last week. CPS Energy will discuss this at its in an executive session at their board of directors meeting and with the intent to issue a reciprocal resolution to also direct their staff to work with the city. CPS Energy has stated that the preference would be for a p three to operate the plants. The power would be provided, would be provided through an electrical provider. It wouldn't be provided through CPS Energy.
The structure of the program, there'd be a long term supply agreement with a p three. There is, of course, potential for using a public utility agency creating establishing a public utility agency to develop the project. And there would be a new d TCQ discharge permit required. Then, of course, in my weekly memo after today's vote, we will add another section for the coordination and negotiation efforts with CC Polymer. That completes my presentation, and I stand by for any questions.
Thank you. Council member Scott.
I'll try to be quick. So why does, just out curiosity, why does CPS get to decide the the the mechanism? P three, CMAR?
Well, it's that yeah. That was their preference.
I know. But what are they what is their involvement
They at this they own the land that we would either buy or lease, or the the owner operator and design build owner operator would. Part of their that's part of their requirement.
Fascinating. Because really all they are is a landowner. Unless we can use their intake permit. Yeah.
That Rudy did say we could use their intake permit. Yeah. We'd have to modify it, right, for a bigger
Then they have But they're not taking any of the water. The water's all ours. Right? Correct. Selling any water to CPS or
I don't know if they No. Yeah. They may use a
little They bit of carry a big stick in this conversation when we're just buying lanes.
And it's not necessarily a p three. We have to negotiate the sale. That's correct. Yeah. Could be a PUA.
That's correct. That was idle, and I'm sorry it's late. The other one is, so we have a hearing on the thirteenth or fifteenth. If they don't get standing, we're off to the races. I'm to my evangeline. And if they do have standing, then it could be up to two years to to to deliberate that process. Right? To to go through the
If if if any of the contestants are ruled to have standing in in any form or fashion, then the what our legal advisers have said that it would go to a contested case, and that could be a two year process.
Not to a two year. But if they if they only have standing on some of the wells, then we can produce we can move forward on those that that they don't have standing on.
That that's correct. And then let the process work for whatever they may or may not have standing on.
Somebody maybe they sue? If if they don't get standing, is the next step, you know, from them to to file some sort of lawsuit to slow this down? I think we just need to know. Right? I hope they don't. I hope they don't they don't standing. But is is there a potential for a
lawsuit? There is, councilman. Yes, sir. All steps of the process. They could do there could be an injunction on drilling. There could be a lawsuit. So yes.
And did that is that what occurred up in East Texas when they had the big controversy over the guy out of Dallas coming in and buying a bunch of water rights and was gonna move it to West Texas. If you have access to anything that would just, you know, kinda tell us what happened there, I know you got a lot going on. But that I think that's important because I I think a similar It would be good to understand that process for fear that we're about to go through this similar
Yeah, it's a little different though, just to caution us. Yeah, please. We would be buying water to sell it to our current customers, where that was a brand new water for brand new customers.
That's a I
think that's a big difference. The Bass I forget his first name, but Bass was buying water rights and was gonna sell it to brand new customers. We're buying water in a county where 40% of our water goes today. We're selling it
to It
has legal standing, that's it?
It's a little different. That's all. Yeah.
But if you if steer me in the right direction, I'll do my own. Yeah. Just tell me what to go read. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
We can
do that. Absolutely.
Thank you.
Council member Vaughan.
Do you know when the CPS board meeting is?
I don't.
Okay. It's just
I don't.
It's gonna I think it's in this month. It's it's the third I think, like, the maybe this week. It's the third, fourth week. Yeah. Well, let me see if we can get the date. Yeah.
Okay. Thanks.
We'll get that to you.
Council member Paxton.
Thank you. Your response, I was asking about the the discussions with TCEQ on the variances. You referenced that the amount the total volume of water that could be pumped into the river is included in the permit. What is that total?
So the permit references a total volume of water in acre feet. So essentially, the Western Well Field approximately 29,000,000 gallons a day. However, I do want to caution everyone, we've got information from our hydrogeologists that has said that the two properties, the Western Well Field and the ERF property, the recommendation is 26 MGD. So we're working towards the 26 MGD, not the total of the permit.
26 plus 10 in the East?
That's correct.
So 36 total? Total. What do we need from TCEQ for the TDS to be able to put the water that we have into that river? Because right now, we're still only putting 4.4 from the East and four point or 5.445 from the West, but I know that is being driven by the number of completed wells.
The east is not.
Correct. That's correct.
What do we need? What is our request from them for the for that variance?
So so one thing in in that I showed last week was and if I could just back up a little bit, and I've got you, I'll answer that question. So what we've seen is when the lake levels, Lake Corpus Christi has gotten below 10%, we've seen degrading water quality. So all that being said, our request to the TCQ was when the lake levels are below 10%, we would like to provide more water into improve the water quality in the river, but not adhere to those action levels specified in the operating protocol, because we feel that the water quality in the river is degrading coming out of the lakes, coming out of the streams and the seeps, and the water quality from the well actually improves the river?
So our request is not because our samples show that our wells are too high and tedious. Our request is to increase the amount of water being pumped because of the bad TDS from the lake.
We we so a couple of things. We know that TDS is increasing coming out of the of of the lake. We know it's currently, it's about 1,100 TDS or so. And we also know that the arsenic levels coming out of the lake have continued to rise. So we know we also know, because we've tested them, that the wells are very low to nondetect an arsenic, and we know that water will help dilute the river water to decrease arsenic content.
Our is our request for variance on one or two management plans, the West and the East, or are they collectively one?
So there's there's two permits, and we're operating they they they did they drive operations separately. There's the operating permit for the Eastern Wellfield, and we've made that request to TCQ. TCQ issued the temporary bed and banks for the Western Wellfield. And our request what they've said is, you know, they've sent us a draft. They issued it, and they said we need to talk about the full request and operation of the wellfield.
So what they did, and we're thankful for their support, for the state support, is they provided us a temporary permit, and then they've also allowed us to continue the conversations with them. And I think that's important because as we continue to pump more water from the Western Wellfield, we gain a better understanding of how that wellfield affects the river.
So if the well projects is actually better quality right now because of the condition of the lake, then what is preventing us from putting the full 10 from the east into the river?
The bed and banks permit is driven by total dissolved solids.
And do we have a request
that bed and makes permit as well for variants?
Yes. As I stated, councilwoman, there is a request for variance on the Ben and Banks permit for the Eastern Wellfield.
Not the West.
No. Because what TCQ, working with us, they wanted to first issue the Ben and Banks, the temporary Ben and Banks permit with their standard operating protocol, and then they wanted to talk to us after we've had a longer operation so we could share the data with them.
We're not sure if we need a variance on the Western Well field. We may not. Right now, TDS, that water is a lot better. So we're going to do about thirty days, about a month of monitoring. And if it looks like we're going to need a variance, then we'll put one in. But we just don't know right now.
So the eastern wellfield's about 3,300 TDS, and the Western is about 1,600 to
16 Yeah. And actually our consultant, Corollo, models scientifically with known elements. And his analysis is we won't need a variance in the management plan, that we can put the full yeah. Right, Nick? That came in last night. Can put the full 26,000,000 gallons in.
That's right. So all that being said, we're we continue to monitor and watch it closely to prove that out. Yes, sir.
So it's a total of 12 wells in the West? And does that include Ed Rochelle?
No. So there's 12 wells on the West on the 250 acres. They are they they are not all completed. As part of the water rights purchase, the Ed Rochelle Foundation is drilling they have plans to drill and develop six wells.
So it will be r 12 and then six?
Six, and then there and then there will likely be a couple more wells to balance it out that CCW will drill. All that being said, it's important to note the well fields are designed with redundancy. We we don't plan to operate all the wells at the same time, and we do want redundant wells in in the case something happens with the pumping equipment.
So between if we have 12 plus six, and they're about a million gallons a day each, That's 18 total between those two, and we're looking to get up to 36 MGD over the three different tracks. How many what's the plan to get to the full 26 between Ed and the West?
Sure, councilman. Yeah. Thank you for asking that. So the Ed Rochelle wells are designed a little bit differently. They're smaller. They are averaging about one MGD. The wells that the city is drilling are larger in diameter. They are averaging 1.5 to two MGD each.
And so according to your page 10, we should have that completely done in May?
By the May.
And is that the 12, or is that the 18? The six and the
So that okay. So the 12, which is the initial project, we've always estimated that would be done in May. The EDRushell, what they've given us, I think they'll they may have all six done by by May. You know, I'm trying to pinpoint the the information there a little bit. It may spill over into June or late June. But they they have plans to move move expediently.
Okay. I appreciate that. And then I wanted to circle back real quick. Peter, we talked a few weeks ago be right at the beginning of the break about getting an updated total volume needed from each of our customer groups, essentially, and their large customers under them. We had talked about potentially having that on the seventeenth ready.
We'll have it, so we'll we may have it for next week, councilwoman. So the amount of water, yeah, for the workshop, because we're gonna use that data when it comes to developing curtailment targets.
And it will have their current firm need and then their target with supplies they're bringing online.
Right, yeah.
From everybody.
Yeah.
There's a few that tried and haven't really They haven't brought on permanently. Like Exxon, Gulf Coast, Gulf of Ventures, I don't know if they abandoned their wells. They were too high in TDS. Steel Dynamics, we have to reach out to them still. They were drilling one. But very few have a permanent supply.
Yet. Yeah. Just
so that we have a realistic understanding of both numbers.
All right. We'll try to get that by next week. We may not have it all in just because we're still waiting on information from them.
If we don't have it all in, perhaps we can plug what our current understanding is of their use and then update that as we go?
Yes. Yeah. Councilman, after that previous discussion, we reached out to those large users, which include our wholesale customers, and ask them if they could tell us the efforts that they're taking, if they could project their decrease in demand. I have some information. It's not a complete picture yet.
They were a little hesitant to give it, right? Certainly,
the information the from the industrial customers is gonna go through their
That's right.
CBIA, and then he's gonna he's gonna put it together and send it to us. Yeah.
That's right, councilwoman. So we had a meeting with them this past week, councilwoman, and they won't give it directly to us, but they're gonna give it to their trade association who will kind of aggregate it to keep proprietary information, business proprietary information.
Okay.
And then was the information on Barney Davis that was in this slide, was that how recent is that? As in the last time we met when we did the direction to negotiate, was this post that direction, or was this just a collection of facts we already knew?
It was a collection of facts that I presented last week.
So have we talked to them since that?
No, because we're waiting on them. So their board we're waiting on them to we're waiting on Rudy, not waiting, but the plan is for Rudy to get his board to give him direction to talk to us on business on business development. Their board meeting is March 30, Monday, March 30. And so once he gets the clearance, and shortly thereafter, we'll meet with him. He and I will meet with Nick with Rudy from CPS. So right now, he's gonna get direction from his board, just like we did here with city council last meeting. And their agenda may be out. The item Rudy told us would be an executive session, so you're not gonna see there won't be a posting. I think it's under attorney client privilege or something like that.
And will we have any type of information to address? Is it mister Ainsworth?
Nick has met with him, mister Ainsworth.
Yeah. I talked with him last week, and I'll I'll follow-up with him again.
Okay.
Thank
Yeah. Councilmember Campos.
Thank you, mayor Pro Tem. Okay. You know, the the mayor actually mentioned when we were talking about the CC Polymers desalination project, she actually finally or somebody else echoed the same question I have. You know, how much more water do we need or how many more projects do we need to keep going after? Do we have an idea?
And that's the other thing. I'm glad that we're finally starting to get some information back or from industry because that's one of the things that I've been asking for from the beginning is, you know, we discuss for you know, forever our drought contingency plan, but we never get what their contingency plan is. For example, when there's a hurricane in The Gulf, they have to shut down. There's got there's gotta be a contingency plan. Why are we not privy to that?
Like, why don't we know what they do when there is a hurricane and they have to either shut down or, you know, pull down some of their their, you know, production. Right? So, again, I'm just trying to figure out I try to keep up with all the projects, the MGD, you know. So, because it's one thing to have it here like you do, but I would like to see a running table of all the projects. I think I've asked for that before.
Yeah. It's on my weekly memo, councilwoman, on the very last page
of Okay. The Yeah. So but I think it would be helpful to bring it, you know, as part of our, you know, information that is passed out to us on a regular basis. Like Councilman Hernandez says, you know, you at the last minute, although, you know, to compare what you give us right before our briefing and then what is posted is not always accurate or matching, I guess. Not accurate, but not matching. So, that would be helpful. So, again, back to my question, how much water do we need?
So, if you look at the mass water master planning document, which I I know I've shared with you previously, I I think the number was a 150,000,000 gallons a day in 2035. One thing that I do want to bring up is when you're doing any engineering design, you look at your system when your biggest you want to be able to operate your system with your biggest pump out of service. Quote unquote, our biggest pump is the Mary Roads pipeline. Yeah. So that is something that we've got to address.
The projects that we are currently working, that we're under contract for, You know, there's some projects we're we're we're negotiating. The contracts we're currently working on, and they're starting to we need them we need them all. We need them all to to get by.
I about a 184 MGD with projects that I've been trying to keep up. You know, the 72 from Mary Roads, the Formosa to the and now, I guess, we're not gonna be drawing Canyon and Lake Corpus Christi, or are we still drawing water from them even though that the the condition of the water is starting to, you know, deplete, not not be as healthy as it could be or should be.
Correct. So we are at Choke Canyon Reservoir. We're releasing 33 cubic feet per second. That's part of the water right permit that we share, and it's it's a it's a special condition of that permit. At Wesley Seal Dam or Lake Corpus Christi, we are releasing 27 cubic feet per second.
And what is that in MGDs?
33 CFS, I think, is approximately 30,000,000 gallons a day. Is that right?
That's 33
is about 21
Oh, I'm sorry. 21,000,000 gallons a day, and then 27 is 17. So round round numbers, councilwoman.
Mhmm.
So we've continued with the increase of the well production. We've continued to to pull back our releases from Wesley Seal Dam, and I would expect that to continue to happen.
Right. But when do we say we are no longer going to be able to draw from those?
So, we you know, when we looked at when I ran through the dashboard scenarios, the original plan was to take them to very low amounts, right? What we were working with our modeler to understand what that right amount is, the scenarios that I presented last week had us taking them to approximately 1% reservoir capacity.
But does that is that really a true scenario? I mean, to 1%? Are you serious?
It it it can happen. And we may need it to happen.
But are we relying on that? Because I don't see that being a a good plan. I mean, we already know we're running into problems now. So, how can you possibly think that you can use the water up to one percent?
I think the importance is the wells. Right? The wells help the water quality, the production wells. You know, in the other you know, our goal, and we talked about it, is staving off level one water emergency. But I'm
But what I'm talking about is drawing water from Choke Canyon and Lake Corpus Christi. What I'm saying is you cannot still be depending on that water. Right?
We are depending on it. And the key is that it's blended with about 100,000,000 gallons. So just take arsenic. We know the arsenic is two times the limit right now coming out of those two big reservoirs. But at the plant, it's non detect. TCEQ was there for our quarterly inspection. And the arsenic at the plant, when everything's blended, is non detect. So it goes from a high amount discharging out. But by the time we get it to the treatment plant and blend it with all the water from East Texas, it's nondetect. So that's the same thing with salinity.
To the answer to the question, we don't know. That goes back to that we haven't been here before, this low. So we're gonna monitor it. Nick has a plan with several of his teammates, monitor various things on the lakes. And as it continues to drop, we have to continue to assess. Forecast right now is taking it down to 1%, but that may change based on facts that we see coming out of there. We're not sure what's gonna happen once it gets down to seven. Like Choke Canyon's at eight, so seven, six, what happens when it gets down to five?
That's right.
That's why those scenarios are dynamic, And and and, again, there's no reference to draw on, and so we have to it's on the ground assessment and analysis.
Okay. But back to his answer on how much water we need. Your your statement is a 150 MGD for 2035.
That that was the, Pete Dawson, water master plan document that they put together.
Okay. Yeah. But but right now, what do we I mean, right now, we I I'm looking at a hundred and eighty four without the Inner Harbor.
Councilwoman At future
Yeah. Just as maybe to save everybody's time this evening, we don't have the answer right now.
Okay.
Yeah. We don't have and what we have to do is get it because we don't we the groundwater is not it's not continual source. So we have to figure out what is intermittent, what is more continual, how much do we rely on the Western reservoirs anymore. Councilman Hernandez and I had a conversation over a year ago saying maybe we to not rely on those at all, like zero amounts of water. Back then, we thought it was kind of a strange conversation, but it could be real.
So we don't have the answer, but we have to model all of the above. But for the groundwater communities, even though we have a lot of groundwater in the amounts right now, they have to be we need another amount almost equal to that so we can turn those off when other water sources are fundamental.
Okay. So hopefully next week we'll be getting more information from industry so that they can I mean, I'm sure they're listening?
No. Yeah. They are.
Okay. I don't see them here, but I'm They're sure listening.
Yeah. To We'll have information.
If not next week, then that next workshop.
Okay. Yes. Alright. Thank you.
Council member Hernandez.
Thank you for identifying my forward looking thought process. On February 16, we received a letter from Entera. We're talking about the amount of water we could take. But in that in that memo, it also stated it's a work in progress. The modeling is a work in progress, so I'm I'm assuming we're gonna get regular updates. It's been over a month. Is there gonna be additional letters from Antero with what the actual capacity is based pulling out of the ground and monitoring wells. What what's when do we expect an update on that?
Sure, councilman. So, yes, Entera is still under contract. They are still working to refine that model. The good news is the Western Wellfield is is coming on in operation, so I have pumping information now to share with Entera. I think it'd be good for the Western Wellfield to get about a month's worth of data for them to put something together, but I can certainly get that.
So mid April is when you're telling us, like around tax day?
Well, today's the twenty fourth. So if if we do thirty days, I would say the end towards the April.
Okay. But you started pumping a week ago?
We started pumping on Thursday.
This Thursday. Last week?
Last week.
What date was that? Thursday?
Is is that the seventeenth maybe?
Let me check. But that was only two to three wells, councilman. So I think Nick's saying he needs more wells and more volume and more time. Right?
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Well That'll make the model better.
Mhmm. I just wanna make sure that we're getting regular updates. So if we need to make adjustments that we Yeah. We're because there's people out there. They're in the audience right now
Right.
That, you know, depend on those wells. So we wanna make sure we're doing the right thing and and constantly verifying Right. That information.
Next, getting data that's that's assembled and you'll be providing it to to Antero.
Absolutely. And the one thing that I can say so far, and I know it's a short time period, but the monitoring wells in the Western Wall Field haven't changed. Their water levels haven't changed. I know it's a short time period. Those are measurements that we're taking.
I just want to make sure we're monitoring, we're updating the models, and we're getting the reports back from Entera.
Yes, sir.
And if it changes, the amount volume up or down or whatever, I you know? I just wanna have the information. Yeah. Is this the same and just for for reference, this is the same modeling we did with Evangeline. Right? All the same modeling that what Interra is Interra doing the modeling in Evangeline?
That's correct, yes.
So they did a certain series of modeling that we had to provide for I mean, did they provide that for us? Or did they provide it to Evangeline Laguna? How did
Right. So both. Both? So there was there was initial work that Entera did for Evangeline Laguna in the initial development of their project. If you recall, they drilled two test wells so Entera could put put the information together. In term for Evangeline, Antero is currently working as a sub consultant to Pape Dawson. So they are continuing that work, under the city contract with Pape Dawson.
Okay. There's a huge difference in the terms of volume of water on per acre, from Evangeline to what we're looking at in the Western Wellfield. Right? So I just wanna make sure we're doing everything correct, and we have you know, it's it's more urgent on on the Western Wellfield to make sure we do all that correctly.
Right. It's it's it's it's critical. And and the the other comment I would say, you know, I talked earlier about the monitoring wells and the subsidence monitoring in the Eastern And Western Well Field, that's the same approach for Evangeline as well.
Okay. Alright. Thank you.
Council member Vaughan.
The city of Orange Grove is already seeing documented drawdown from the West since the Western Wells came on, and they announced that because of that, they're gonna go into a drought contingency plan immediately. Have you heard that?
So, actually, councilwoman, I received a call earlier today from another someone in another municipality who's working with us to set up a meeting with them. Orange Grove is, I don't know, 16 or 20 miles away from the Western Well Field, the monitoring wells that are right on this side.
Far away. I don't think or yeah. Yeah. I drive
it. Or less. Whatever. 10 miles or whatever. I the the monitoring wells on the well field and out just outside the well field aren't seen in effect. Mhmm. So we wanna meet with the city of Orange Grove and discuss discuss
Good. That's what I was gonna ask you because that's the last thing we want. That's what we've been worried about or I have.
I think it's important to go and and I wanna explain the early mitigation that we did in terms of the original well design. That's the first step of our mitigation. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. Alright.
Thank you for your presentation.
Thank you.
The last thing I want to say is I just want to thank everybody for hanging in there it's been late. I want to thank city staff and council And, with that, this meeting is adjourned. Alright.
Thank you, councilman.
To say.
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