Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Thank you. Uh, good evening. Um, I'm going to call to order the Concord Township Zoning Commission meeting of Tuesday, February the 3rd, 2026. Thanks to my uh predecessor uh who initiated this. Let us rise and honor our country to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, Mike. Can we have a roll call, please? Yeah. Uh Mr. Schindler present. Mr. Repper

here, Mr. Teryako here, and Mr. Eeliss present here. Uh, thank you. Thank you, Mike. Uh, first of all, um, let it be said that rain nor hail nor two and a half months of snow deter us from our responsibilities and duties here. Thank you all for making it out here, including our legal counsel uh, this evening. Uh uh next on the agenda is approval of minutes um of January the 6th, 2026. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. I'd like to make a motion that we approve the meeting minutes of January 6th, 2026 as written. I second the motion.

I have a motion uh to approve and a second for the minutes of January 6th, 2026. All in favor signal signify by I. I. Nazis. None. Thank you. Uh, next uh, uh, item on our agenda is correspondence. Any correspondence uh, from any of our members here, Frank? No, Mr. None, sir. None, sir.

Yeah. And none for me here in the dead of winter? No, nothing. Um, uh, our zoning inspector report. Mike, uh, and Heather's Evans, you have anything to, uh, keep us surprised of? Has it been a busy month? It's been a pretty average month. Um, a little busier than I recall last year being. Um, obviously we have our our our site plan and design review for tonight. Um, we have some BCA meetings coming up and nothing you guys will care about. Okay. Um, but yeah, no, we're um we're staying busy keeping stuff updated. Okay. Any any major applications coming forward? Not not right now. Not much activity?

Nope. nothing I can talk about. All right, Mike. Uh, thank you. Thank you. Um Um, next on our uh agenda is the election of vice chair and um given the fact I'm make want to propose here uh without your objection, without the board's objection that we might table this given that we're uh Ron is here as an alternate at at least for this evening. So, we're still only three members. Um, and I might I want to maybe suggest until the trustees land give us a full board that we might delay or postpone that. Uh, if there's no objection, I'd like to I guess table that if that's the right way to do that legally, table that item for the next meeting.

Sure. Um, I don't think I need to take a vote on that. Just Okay. You do not. when when it comes time to if the commissioner wants to unt then they do have to pass a motion to untab it.

Right. Okay. So So shall it be said shall it be done? Thank you. All right. Um public participation uh other than the applicants here. I I think we have no nothing for public participation. So we're going to move on to new business here quickly. So we have we have an application for a project and we're going to begin with your your first bigger packet. the site plan review application number 63 uh represented here this evening by Mike Lowski with Perspectus Architecture on behalf of the property owner University Hospitals is requesting site plan approval for canopy edition and pad for mobile MRI trailer for the property located at 7590 Auburn Road being current parcel number 08- A-19 9- 0- 0- 050- 0.

Yes, sir. You missed the four in the last three digits. Four 045 zero. I didn't say 045. My apologies. I'll repeat the parcel number 08- A-019-0000-45- 0. Uh that being said, I have the applicant come forward. Uh introduce yourself. Uh address please, Mike. I know the drill.

Uh Mike Leowski, Perspectus Architecture, 1300 East 9th Street, Cleveland, Ohio. 44145. uh uh we have we have our staff report we have the application here Mike if you could uh give us an overview of the project uh what it's all about uh describe the nature in terms of the site plan review packet we do site plan and site review

so we're proposing a small uh mobile radiology trailer pad and canopy connection to the back side of the hospital um this will allow uh's mobile radiology fleet to back up a trailer that will ultimately connect to the hospital, allowing patients to come outside through the canopy, which will be heated, um, lit and sprinklered. Um so that patients can get different types of radiology treatments not available currently at the hospital or while one unit is under repair or being replaced they can bring in a different trailer to um continue services uninterrupted

and can you describe the site itself we're looking at site plan so I do have a photo

I think it's in the packet But um the back side of the hospital has a a set of double double doors with a sidewalk. Um there's the sidewalk leads to a parking area. So we'll be taking out the sidewalk and some of the um uh grass area, putting in a uh roughly a 10t wide by 50 ft long thickened concrete pad to take the weight of the trailer. Um, and then adjacent to that would be a 10-ft sidewalk with a u a fabric clad enclo enclosed canopy uh again to bring patients out and get them into the trailer without uh getting wet or snowed on hopefully.

Right. So um so the the intent the intent there is weather allow patients to come. Yes. So they would be received inside the hospital, weighed inside the hospital. If they're receiving a treatment that's in the trailer, they would be escorted through the sets of double doors. Um there's a lift to get them up into the trailer and they would be seen and then go back into the hospital.

Um if the board is familiar with the site, I'm very familiar with the site back there having been back back there a few times. Uh so it's rather well it's concealed obviously from Auburn road is in the back back side. Uh you'd have to go around to really see it. Right. So here's a here's a site lane here. Um Auburn the main Auburn road is here. So this is would be on the back side right off the their private drive back here. Um and we're hundreds of feet off of the roads and etc. So, was it intended on the site because it hits the roundabout? Does it hit the roundabout?

It actually backs right up to radiology. So, the patient wouldn't really even know they're going to the mobile until they they walk out the door. So, it's it's within their existing department. Yeah. Very good. So, the roundabout is actually just adjacent and and unrelated. Um, that's more for discharge. More for discharge. Got it. Yeah. Okay. Um, is the trailer completely shielded? I hope shielded from radiation. Oh, uh, I do not know the answer to that. Um, I'm not involved with the trailer itself, but just the connection to it. I sure would hope so.

But the it's mobile, so this there will be a constructed on path. Yes. Um I think it's worth noting there uh has three different types of trailers. So one is an MRI, there's a CT and a PET CT. So the MRI doesn't need shielding. It needs um um it doesn't have like radiation shielding. It has RF radio frequency shielding. Great. So the other CTS will require some sort of lead shielding. Yes. Okay. Um questions from questions. Uh, Frank, please.

Well, when they said mobile, I was somewhat confused because I thought the whole thing would be moving, this whole concept. But I guess this this is like a hut, a building that's going to be fixed. They'll be budding up against the the double doors coming out. So, they just correct go right directly into this. The canopy will be fixed. the trailer will will be backed up adjacent to u to the canopy system and if they need an MRI one day they'll they'll remove the CT and put in an MRI or vice versa. So the mobile portion is just the trailer. Everything else is Oh, okay. That's what's confusing me.

Okay. Okay. That's my question. Thank you. Right. on page S1, you have a future expansion area right next to the the red lines. Yes, that was a carryover note from the very original set of construction drawings for the hospital. Um, there are no current or no plans. I think it was the former architect or engineer just identifying areas where the where the building could expand and not impede parking or utilities. So, there's no immediate plans for expansion. And no trailer park? No. No, sir. That was my concern.

I didn't want to see a trailer park there. Good question, sir. Okay. Uh on page, let me see where do I go to next? C200 under note 9. I too. Go ahead. The host. Go ahead. under note nine. You know, I had to pull out my magnifying glass to read it. I got progressive. I can see it.

Yeah. Under note 9, the last full line, it says to run a garden host should be hose. I hope it should be hose. Do you see H O S T? I I do. It's a little small for my vision. Yeah. Well, like I said, I had to get my magnifying glass out.

We're glad because I circled it, too. But my my question wasn't because of the typo. My question was a garden hose. Yeah. It didn't make sense that there was a You got a hose bib right there. Got a hose, but a a garden hose inside a trailer and a canopy. So, I didn't quite understand. Yeah. Well, it's got a cool something. I have a an updated set of our final construction drawings and that note doesn't appear anymore. There's there's an existing hose bib. Okay. Um there's whatever connection that the trailer needs for water supply uh will be provided. Okay. Okay. Yeah. If you look on C300, yeah, you have that.

Yeah. Right. Right. Blanket there. Okay. Now, on page C300, I'm looking at about the middle of the page down towards the bottom. Uh, what's that? A Pentagon with a four in it. Is that still on? It is. Okay. There's no note four. I see that. Good catch.

So, somehow we got to make up a note for while you're at it, make a note three, too. Looks like a catch basin.

It sort of looks like to me. Look back at the survey. Okay. Now, now I'm going back to the ismmetric assembled awning frame south isometric render ring with cover and I don't see it all the way. Is that a number of FS two of 13 snow load? What is it? Snow load. Yeah. On the canopy.

Yeah. Um we do not have the canopy um structural drawings as of yet, but they are uh they're in process and they'll be submitted with the permit application. Okay. So, what type of snow load did you specify? Whatever building code requires. Let's see. OBC for Cleveland. I don't know. Four feet. I don't at least five feet. I'll bet you. How about the wind load? Same answer. Same answer, sir. I'm not a structural engineer.

Is the framing attached to the trailer at all? No, it's completely independent. Okay. But the frame is attached to the building. I do not believe so. We were looking at their shop drawings and they it appears to be freestanding. It abuts the building, but the framing itself does not attach to the building. All attaches to the sidewalk or the concrete slab.

Do you know how it how it's anchored to the to the I see the details. Yeah. That doesn't tell me much though. Okay, I'm looking at page five of 13 now. I see a note there. Z clip to wall using max size LDTs. What's an LDT?

Um, it's part of the framing system of the canopy that I'm I'm still not able to answer a question to. Okay, next question. Do you know what the red arrows are on the frame isometric view on that page? I see one, two, three, four, five, six. Six red arrows. They appear to be the direction of which the fabric, the covering is, but again, I'm I'm speculating. I was not the author of these documents. Okay, I'm I'm striking out here.

You are fabric attachment to the f How is the fabric attached to the frame? No, I'm sorry. I'm striking out. No more comments. Mercy. So, suffice to say uh these are uh the awning frames are it's a manufactured product whole complete by Ohio Awning. Yes. and they have a structural engineer who will be stamping and sealing their documents that will will accompany our concrete drawings um for the building permit. Yes. Yeah.

Which presumably there'll be footers. Yeah. There's a thickened uh slab for these attached to. Correct. Okay. Oh, so there is a thickened slab for the for the uh base plates to anchor. rust. I need weld sizes on page 10 of 13. I don't know what it says. 2 and 58 square post. Cut it 6 inch length. Weld it to plate. Duh. I can do that.

Yeah. Type and size of weld. I'm striking out. I don't have any more comments. Good question. Sireum, thank you. Thank you. Come up with one or two. So, and and perhaps we're under the site plan u review portion of this application. U these are appropriate comments also for design review which unfortunately can't be really answered. No, they can't. Right. It's structural. Yeah. Is a structural question relevant to a site plan? That's why I'm that's my point. Okay.

It's not, but it's part and parcel to the design review, which is the second part. So, that's why I'm trying to point out it's not in a polite way. Yeah. Um, Ron, questions. You have any comments, questions?

I had sort of the same questions about wind load and snow load and all that. Um, so clarify one more time. So the trailer, so there's three different types of trailers or one trailer that could do it. They're all the same size, but they have different internal pieces of radiology equipment. So they're all the size of a conventional trailer. Their lifts and their stair access are on the same same side or the same hand. So depending on and they all have some different electrical loads as well. So the electrical drawings will have kind of multiple connections depending on which which trailer arrives. So it depends on what the need is as to what trailer they back in. Exactly.

And cover. So the only the canopy cover is that only that one part of the trailer probably entrance it way into the trailer. Correct. Okay. Correct. And then I was going to ask it's more of a design. Well, no. Maybe how are we connecting to the power? So you just alluded to the B. Yeah. There. So there's a pedestal that will be outside and the trailer comes with, for lack of a better term, a large extension cord that gets plugged into the pedestal with whatever the outlet um they specified.

Okay. That's all you have as well. Yeah, there's all. Thank you, Ryan. Um, go ahead. Yeah, a couple in the site uh in the in the site plan C200. It depicts the trailer in two parts. There's a separation. Yeah, trailer and the cab. The cab will stay there. The cab. No, the cab will leave. But it's probably just shows on how it will how it will arrive. Drop off. Yeah.

Cover, you know, make sure the slab can handle the weight of it and it's not just a typical conventional asphalt. Okay. Um that would deform. That trailer must be 50 foot long. 53. Yeah, it's a conventional conventional trailer. 52 foot is something.

Um okay. Uh just to point out for the record that uh the project was given a conditional use and a variance application by the BCA last month. So there's a conditional use permit that was granted as well as a a variance application. Um um I I don't know if the board question I question and perhaps Mikey I'm looking at you Mike for writing but uh why why would something that is associated with medical related what they're doing at the hospital radiology require a variance? Why why was it not associated with exactly what is done at a hospital? Right.

I I could answer that if you'd like. Okay. Yes. Okay. Thanks, Mike. In conversations with Heather, u the building m the canopy material itself is a like a polyester fabric. Um Oh, I I'm sorry. I knew that on the variance. I I'm sorry. I knew that the conditional use is what I was

conditional use. Um she said because the original hospital was a conditional use to the property zoning, we could either request an extension of the current variance or ask for a new one because the it's actually now owned by University Hospitals, not Lake Health. So she suggested we request a new one with the new the new owner's name,

new ownership initially. So uh and I kind of surmised that uh you kind of verified but so my and perhaps something for future agenda to make a note it's in the gateway business district the hospital so perhaps we can address this in why would it I don't know I don't maybe I'm just speaking out of term but it doesn't seem appropriate that we have to do a conditional use every time you do something at the hospital because it's in a business maybe we have it in the wrong zoning district. That's my question. But remember that the conditional use permit that was granted to the hospital was granted to that specific owner. And I believe the ownership has changed. So it does not transfer between owners. You do have to get a new conditional use.

Okay. So now we have that in place. Now the next time, right, they make an addition to the hospital. Depends on which one they're going to make the difference to to be perfectly honest with you. Right. So you mean if uh makes another addition like the expansion area expansion, right? Because they're I mean that hospital's known to become this new Sidman cancer. Correct. Right. But that's that's an interior renovation. Interior renovation. Although we did have a small addition to that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. So, I'm sorry. Right. No. So, I think that I think that the conditional use at this point would be fine with respect to the ownership. It's just whether or not it'd be an expansion of the conditional use. Okay. Some sort of approval. But I don't know that it will come back to the zoning or excuse me to the BCA for that

for that. Okay. I don't know. You have to see exactly what I I was just thinking that maybe was incumbent upon us to consider the district being in a GB gateway business, right? Is not appropriate for a hospital. Oh, I see. That that's kind of my I don't know. That would be something definitely the zoning commission could look at. Just just a thought, you know, it just seemed odd, but now I understand why we did that. Okay. Um, sorry. Oh, uh, uh, as an aside, uh, Mike, we, uh, you probably don't know that in the last 3, four months, we've been dealing with sign, our sign regulations.

Okay. Is there any sign on this canopy? No sign. No sign on the canopy. When do you think there would be radiology or something? We do not want anybody approaching the, you know, everybody should be coming in through the hospital. All right. And this is just kind of back of house. Nothing to see here. Yeah. I just wanted to get that variance out of the way in case you needed it. But no, we've been addressing uh Okay. changes to anything on the trailer. I don't know what the exactly what the trailer will look like. I've seen multiple ones around other uh facilities. Um they seem nondescript though. Do the other facilities have canopies also? They do. They do.

The same company. Same company. Still standing. You're supposed to ask this is still standing. It's a question. Um can can you tell me where? Um Twinsburg has one. North Ridgeville has one. Parma's going to have one, but they don't it's not up yet. Actually, Parma has one on a different building, but they're going to have one at their emergency department. Very good. Okay, Ryan, sorry. Red, too. You're going to have to remove some trees for your landscaping

go back to Yeah, there's a there's a shrub right next to um the sidewalk. So, that will be that will be removed. Uh there is a $10,000 landscaping allowance uh that the owner set aside to kind of replant that area once the canopy and the pad are installed. Any other questions, board members? Frank,

um, we call it a canopy, but it's a material that's on the exterior of this. Uh, can it be cut with sharp object to get in? It can. It's a polyester fabric. That's the doors to the hospital are secure with a card swipe. Yeah. So, you can get into the canopy with a box cutter, but you can't get into the hospital without a card swipe or Well, is there any kind of alarm system that'll be set up? Heaven forbid something like that happens where they can get in to the equipment that's going to be in there.

I don't know if the I don't know if the trailer has its own security system or not. Well, that's something that would worry me. Good question. Yeah, the hospital does have security cameras, you know, mounted on all their exterior. So, I would assume if something was happening that at least the hospital security would be would be aware. Yeah. But being like it's open to the outside, anyone be come onto the property is my concern and try to get into this building for whatever reason. How would they how would they be alerted to the sheriff's department or whatever? that this is being done,

especially if there is some of this radiological material or equipment in that building there already that doesn't get removed. It stays there. Mhm. Mhm. You know, that's that's my Yep. one of my concerns. If there is anything else, Mike, you have anything to report on or I was I'm just going to mention this your staff recommendations. Yeah, that's okay. So, um the staff uh for the site plan has recommended comm conditional approval and uh Mike, I'm just going to read through them for our record. Okay. I know you have.

I have them here as well. But for our record, the staff recommends a conditional approval. Uh, one, to include more proposed finished grades around the corners of the canopy to verify there's adequate slope away from it for drainage. I assume that's acceptable. Yes. Two, uh, include an abbreviated SWIP for this project showing a proposed disturbed area in acres. B, pre and post impervious area amounts for the disturbed project area. C, sediment and erosion controls per Lake County soil and water requirements. Those all acceptable? Yes. As well and we have those on our final documents. Um, uh, I'll just make an editorial comment for a small project like this kind of like 07 acres.

Yeah, it's very small. Uh uh number three uh on S1 page of the submitted plans, it shows a boxed out area near the project proposed project area labeled future expansion. What is anticipated for the future expansion? You've answered that for Hyram. Um you don't know and it's it's it's pre-exist these this this improvement on on the set of drawings. Um number four provide sheet S C 600 as plans. Make mention of details on this page. So I guess it was missing from our Yes, they are included in the final document. Very good. Four. Five. The sales sheet states that this canopy is flame retardant. Uh provide a certificate of flame resistance to the fire department.

We'll do. Good. You said it's polyester. Yes. Good to know. They're polyester pants. I don't know if they're flame though. They melt. They they melt. They melt. Six. This hallway is being enclosed and attached to the institutional group I2 occupancy hospital and will require sprinkles on which you mentioned is already. Yes, we have that accommodated. Very good. Very good. All right. With with that uh colleagues, uh do I have any um motion or any further comment on on the on the site plan review application uh before us? If none, uh, is there a motion?

I make a motion to accept the staff recommendations, the conditional approval of the site plan application with the following conditions that you just spoke of. Thank you, Ron. We have a we have a motion for uh conditional approval of the site plan. I'll second. We have and we have a second. Uh, roll call vote, please. Mike. Uh, Mr. Schindler. Yes. Mr. Rippert, yes. Mr. Teryako, yes. And Mr. Eiffel, yes.

All right. Okay. Site plan review stands uh approved. Uh uh thank you board and thank you Mike. uh uh as often happens with us here Mike the often times our questions and comments overlap between site plan and design review. So before us now is the design review application number 63 represented again by Mike Leoski with Perspectus Architecture on behalf of the property owner University Hospitals is requesting design review approval for a canopy edition and pad for the mobile MRI trailer for the property located at 7590 Auburn Road being current parcel number 08- A-19-0000-45- Um, so anything to add to what we already previously said, Mike, in terms of the design?

Yeah, I don't believe so. In terms of that application packet, it's uh from what I've seen, colleagues, uh, it's it's mirrors the site plan review in terms of material and content, the frame, the canopy, uh, pictures indicating, uh, the structure. Uh um we don't have some of the detailed questions that Hyram presented to be able to answer, but in in general that's got to follow the code. It's got to it's got to be approved by county engineering. Correct. Yeah. For structural attachments in the in the building. So

and the building department. Um any comments from anyone on the design view? Round the present mean anything? Nothing. Addition. Nothing. Okay. Ron, anything? No, sir. Uh, very good. I thought this might be a a quick one. Um, so with with that uh before us then the staff recommendation is a uh approval of the design review application. Um, what are the feelings of the board?

I'm sorry. I can't I can't approve it. I'm sorry. Uh, just looking for a motion to Oh, yeah. Looking for a motion. Either way, chair, I make a motion accepted plan as with me. We have a motion to approve the design review application. I second that motion. And we have a second for the motion to approve the design review application. Roll call, please. Mike. Uh, Mr. Schindler. No. Mr. Reert? No. Mr. Teryako? Yes. And Mr. Eles?

Yes. Uh, so we stand at 22. It's not approved I guess until uh what is the procedure righty with not approval is there a time frame to give the applicant uh to readress so it's it's denied um so it was not okay this is I'm going have to look really quick but I think um unless there's some sort of modification made I don't know because I mean it's it's been not approved right so the same plan cannot be submitted as I understand um it has to have some sort of modifications or if there's additional information that the zoning commission is looking for, I would um sure that you let them know.

Do we want to advise the applicant the information we want to make it an approvable design review? Your questions I assume. Yeah, questions. more detailed than the structure. So, okay. So, it sounds like my sorry to say, but uh yeah, so it's at least at this point that part the site plan's good, but the design design is lacking some of the details that some of the board members feel is needed. Uh the next meeting I'll likely have the canopy vendor come and present their portion then and I will Okay, I will pass.

Very good. Very good. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, Mike. Thank you for your presentation and your time. make a note of what we transpired here Mike or Heather and well communicate. I mean you heard the questions related to the how the structure snow load wind load attachments details canopy so forth. Thank you. Thank you again Mike. Sure. All right. Is this January, February, until March?

Um, Mike, does this in any way just as a courtesy affect? Yes. Yeah, of course. Well, there's a two-month delay now. I'll have to just process, right? I have to submit whenever the next submission date is and then, you know, wait another month for the next next meeting. Mhm. Um, if I may, can may I Oh, of course.

So, my understanding is the design review is to discuss the design of the project aesthetically. Is that incorrect or I mean I does the board do you all have the authority to to be structural engineers and require those sorts of details? It seems a little unusual. I I can only speak for myself. No, I'm not a structural engineer. No, I'm not. That's the responsibility of the manufacturer and the building department to regulate. We are the zoning commission. We're looking at the design, the overall design. Okay, that's my opinion. So, did the bolt spacing affect? That's my opinion, but I respect the opinions of my colleagues here.

Well, I've done a lot on bolt spacing in my previous life and not that I'm going to question anything, but I would like to have some answers. seems like that's the building department's role to to review those sorts of things. But um again, I'm Well, I'm a I'm on this side of the table. I I guess it might be.

Well, coming from the field, it is, but again, I don't want to speak to you. I know it is. But that's why I'm comfortable with this because we're not we are not have the authority to look at a structure and determine whether the structure is going to stand a win load. It's not it's not about I don't know if that's all I want to know is you just want to know what's the load. Yeah. What's the load? 80 pounds per square inch. Per square foot. Understand? I don't care. That's all I'm asking.

I understand. You have the right. And if if you want to come back if if the structural guy or the fabric guy comes back and says Ohio basic building code. All right. Well, so that's exactly what I just said, sir. I know that's what you said. Yeah. And that wasn't acceptable.

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All right. All right. Sorry. We're going to move on. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Where's my agenda? Back here. All right. Uh we have a work session. This is a work session for the proposed uh zoning text amendments. There are there are five amendments uh that we have in the work session for discussion this evening. Um uh I'm going to begin with the uh each amendment and then offer maybe a comment for consideration of the board. Uh, amendment number one is to revise section 30 sign regulations including updating purpose statements, definitions, temporary and permanent sign allowances, prohibited signs, design and illumination criteria, administrative procedures, adding new rules for flag poles, and a sever severability and substitution clause. Um uh uh leave it to the pleasure of the board. My comments are that uh my predecessor walked us through walked us through these the particular regulation and amendments in quite good detail.

My suggestion is we have done a really good job. That would be my comment. Um and our thanks our thanks to the staff for the work on that. This is an extensive amount of work on the

Yes, it is on on it. So um um having said that what I'd like to propose this evening without objection from the board is to not go through that again again and to uh I have done is perhaps highlight one sections of the section 30 or any areas of the of the proposed changes that you wish to bring up again just for finalization. final comment uh so that we can bring this to some conclusion next month. Uh so if there's no objection, I have I have a few that I have to highlight, but I want to uh uh go through each of each of you to see first of all if that approach is acceptable

as how we how we do this rather than go through uh how many sections are in how many articles are in section 3019 30.19. So, um, that being said, is there any objection to going just getting some highlight or andor perhaps comments? I'll defer to Mike if there's anything that he has worked on since he said he has very familiar with all the work associated with the sign um section 30 of the signs that he wish to bring to our attention uh that he found uh to highlight if you will. If there I I won't go to you first, Mike. I'm just going to ask the board if this approach is acceptable. Ryan, go through and

that approach is acceptable. Very good. Ryan, you okay with that? Yes, sir. Okay, good. Frank, that's fine with me. So, let me begin with you then, Frank. Is there anything in this? You still hanging in here? There you go. Why are we doing this? I felt we beat this to death. Okay. And did our due diligence over the months? Very good. So, I'm I'm satisfied with this with with respect to my predecessor, right? He didn't beat us to death. He He took us through the grind. He enlightened us on the things. He thinks it had to be taken care of. Okay.

Thank you, Frank. Um I'll switch over to Ron if there's anything. Um and and maybe from the ones I have, maybe you'll it'll trigger something with Maybe. Yeah. Ron. Um I I have one thing, but I also before I could I also agree. I think every new alternate or new member should go through with with higher because you learn so much. Yes, you learn so much about Yes. signs. Yes, you do. You do. So anyway, thank you. Thank you for the education. And I mean that sincerely. Um on page 30.35,

design criteria for permanent signs. I know we spoke about number one ground sign should not have gaps cut out for penetration but instead should be solid face or area without openings and I don't remember what the conclusion was 3.35 yes what was that now where design criteria a number one ground sign shine not have gaps, cutouts, or penetrations, but instead should be solid face or area without openings. We did not get an answer. Okay.

We did not get an answer on it. That's right. Uh Heather took off. What was the question? I may be able to answer. What was Please Mike. What was the question? Design Christ shall not have gaps. It's uh it's design 30.13. Not the page number. 30 section 30.13. Yes. Yeah. You have design criteria for permanent signs. Yes. You're just curious why we're saying that. I I because usually you have some type of opener or something for when to go through so it doesn't Mhm. push your sign over. So that was our question last meeting and then I think Heather was going to look into that.

That is a good question and I know we talked about it. Um yeah, we didn't get answer. Yeah, we didn't. answer and we didn't we did not get an answer and she didn't give me a specific answer to it either. I remember that we had a discussion about it. I don't have anything written down here that I'm supposed to tell you. So, I don't know if she actually found a specific answer, but um I think for our purposes, it's

the reason why we don't like to see cutouts is just determining the square footage of the sign. So, you could arguably have a much larger sign. We don't we don't use, you know, we wouldn't use the gaps or the openings as part of the calculation. So you could arguably have a much larger sign with the square footage being met um than what is preferred. Um the only other way to do that would obviously be oh if we make an imaginary box around what is there and then calculate with that square footage which I don't believe is how the regulations are written currently.

Okay. So is there any any safety consideration with a cutout? Not that I'm aware of. No. Um, not that we really meaning a kid get his head stuck in there in the O. Right. Yeah. I I mean that if that's something that the board is concerned with. I I I could see it being potentially a problem. I mean, um, we do have, you know, health and safety is one of our components driving our resolution. So that's but that's a plausible reasoning about sizing because getting around loophole like that, right? I see

similar to the height thing that we discussed where measured from the road and Yeah. Thanks, Mike. I mean that helps me. Yeah. Good. Thank you, Hyram. I have a question. You're not allowed. You were in for I did? I'm sorry. Okay. I didn't make a friend tonight. Yeah. U 30.5 and a revised one. Item number 33. It said visibility area. We've got to find it. 05

30.5 page. Oh, page. Page 30.5, item number 33, visibility area. It says, "See illustration section 30.13 alpha." Uhhuh.

There is none. It should read See figure 9 on page 30 point or 30-22. Two points. Oh. Uh, I'd like to say I had the same question, but I didn't.

You did. Good catch, higher. So, what I But I have But when I look at the red mark. Okay. It refers to the correct image, which was 303A. It It's just It's a good catch. It was 303A. It was. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It would It moved because all the reing, reshuffleling. Uh my should so it should be 30. Yeah. 30.14A rather than 30 in the revised version. In the revised version 30.14 A2 A2 to be exact. Yeah. Yeah. It's under two. Good catch. Okay. So you make a note of that mic, please. Very good. Thanks, Hyram.

Okay. And that's as far as I got.

Okay. Um let's see. Um if you go to uh my couple minor things um in the uh revised graphic um Oh, okay. Do you have the red line as well, Mike? So, in 30.02 number was four, there's a graphic image there

showing third. Oh, no. I don't refer to the page because the page numbers don't correlate the two in the red line. Okay. 30.02 section 30.02 not the page 30.02 number four which appears on page 30.3. There's a graph there's an image there of a canopy um and I um it's under it was under the awning sign. Correct. Or it's an awning canopy. It's on it actually to stand corrected. Uh and then in the revised it doesn't appear correct

but but I don't I don't know what the I don't know that the image serves any purpose and but it's but it is gone. Right. Well, we also removed awning sign. Awning sign is so we remove the image. Correct. Thank you. Okay. Uh and then in the same in the same uh right below. Yeah, go ahead. But now on page 30.5, that's what I was getting to. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. See, sometimes it says marquee canopy or awning sign. Right. Right. So, we do have an awning sign.

Yeah. Right. I think it was um if I remember correctly it was an attempt to consolidate from having multiple definitions for what was essentially the same correct thing. So okay I thought so

good ar so under 30.02 section 30.02 to number five. Number four was art art and number five is banner sign. And I remember I don't remember that's why I brought it up. That's why I wrote it down. I don't I remember we had some discussion about banner signs. Um uh what is a banner sign as opposed to a I think flag.

I think that was was it me? I think I was asking the difference between a a banner sign is a temporary sign non- rigid can be mounted a building or structure with a cord, rope, cable say and then it says a flag and a banner sign is also a flag is defined in blahy blah shall not be construed a banner when it's displayed in compliance with another section. Is that easy for you as the zoning to interpret what is a flag and what is a banner?

I asked you not to ask me questions. Uh so I think yes. So if I go to flag, I'm looking at the definition of flag, right? And we did talk about this the last meeting that I subbed in prior to we did. Yes. So, um, you know, I think I don't know that was a conclusion, but what I kind of had

iterated was a a flag can be a banner, but a banner isn't necessarily a flag. I hope I put that in the right way. But, um, we do for a flag any fabric or some material containing distinctive colors, patterns or symbols. non-commercial copy, not limited to government or political subdivision. I think the difference there would be that a banner could arguably be commercial copy. A flag could not. So, if it was something that was commercial copy, I would consider it a banner and not a flag. Okay. Um, that would be the only I mean,

that makes sense. Off the cuff, that's the only real delineation I would make. Okay. And I brought it up where I brought up because I thought maybe just make it flag and banner under the same but it's hard for me to distinguish. Well, I think you just distinguished it. Well, when remember we had what was the other one? Um, bunting. Bunting was in there as well. Yeah. And I I hope we got rid of bunting because bunting was right. I I thought that was a baseball term. So I really Yeah. what that was. Okay. Any you is board satisfied with that? I I I am now. I

Yeah. Um 30 again section 30.02. It's these are definitions. Number number 35. Um so it defines the window signing. Recall we had discussions about window signs. Mhm.

And um that it so as it now reads 30 point the window sign whether permanent or temporary. It's applied to the interior or the exterior or exterior of a window or door or located on the inside of a building near a window and read from the outside of the building. It does not include signs that are in the building more than five feet from the window. Um I again this was just a if it was me and I'm trying to interpret that as a violation of our code. I just like I'm going to go measure it. Is this is this is this an overkill? Do you think Mike or I know the board? I'm sorry. I should ask the board. It just seems like a overreach, but just wanted to see what window signs were like. I remember trying to distinguish what is a window sign as opposed to a sign. A sign in the window, either interior or exterior is visible from the outside, blah blah blah, which is good. I understand that definition now. But now it does not include what's in the building 5T from the window. If it's either not legible or not intend to be viewed from outside the building,

I would have dropped that sentence and I've been fine. Why say that? I mean, I don't know why say that. any any thoughts or it might it might being too Well, I could say I mean again I'm only two and a half years in. Okay. I've never run into an issue where I had to enforce this particular

um you know some I I guess like some examples that we've kind of seen like um last year or maybe late the year before a smoke shop went in over in was it Concord Comet? I can't even remember which one is called which, but over by like where Concord Family Restaurant is, um, around the corner there by the tire shop. Um, and they would have, you know, they'd have like their light up sign that was on the window, but then they'd also have like

like an inflatable kind of thing hanging from the ceiling. And I guess if if I was to have to enforce it in a way that considered every single thing that I could see from looking into the window of what is a sign, I'd have to look at, you know, every time they put up a new sale ad if I could see it through the window. So I think the five foot differentiation just I don't know that it's needed. I mean, it's it was in there previously. So I I think

well I then I'll I'll propose to strike that last sentence. If if if the board doesn't approve that, we'll leave it in. But I propose to strike it. Just seems like we're just the last sentence that begins with this term does not include blah blah 5T. So if it's closer than the five foot, it's considered a sign. Window sign. A window sign. That's Yeah, that's how I would read that. Yes. I'm okay with striking it. Yeah, me too. We have three. Fresh. Yes, I agree.

30. You'll strike that, Mike. Okay. Okay. Uh 30 section 30.09 09 F and G or G, sorry. 30.09 is the temporary signs. Um, I got to get to 09. Yeah. 30.09 FNG. Let me know when you're there. I'm there. Okay. Ron Frank 30.09. Yeah. Okay. F and G.

F and G. You should find F as being the signs during construction and G is signs during elections.

Okay. Frankie there. 30 09 the markup. Go to page. Go to page 30.31. Yeah. 30. 30.31. 31. Way in the back. Way in the back. 31. There it is. Yeah.

All right. So F and G are at the top. Midway the top. Signs are during construction. Um I I again this is one where my memories failed me on it. We were discuss I thought we were we were coming about the 32 square feet and a height of six during construction or or either was and the occupancy of the building or it shall be removed or completion of construction uh completion of construction. Does anyone recall if there was any concern about the size this 32 square feet? I I don't know why it rang a bell. Maybe maybe I'm again

I didn't I objected to the size this that was it you did that I remember somebody that was something to do with the size right on numerous cases. Yeah. Well this one is 32 square for a construction sign. Yeah. So it could be uh 8t by four feet right. Yeah. That's a that's a big sign.

Sheet of plywood. Sheet of plywood. Yeah. 4 by8. Yeah. 8 by4. Um, any you have a comment on that, Mike? The is that something is atypical? I mean, I'm I'm involved in construction, but I don't The 8 by4 seems rather large because I agree with I mean, we don't I don't see a lot of signs during construction. And I guess the only, you know, when I'm driving through like the new developments and things, um, you know, they'll have like the little piece of plywood junk plywood that they'll write the address on or whatever. Um, as far as like coming soon signs or or whatever. I mean, I don't think I don't know. I personally, I don't think that 32 is necessarily too big. I mean it again it's a max size also so it doesn't mean that everyone is going for that

um but what we're regulating is not public projects we're talking about right private projects in our township if public authority has a major sign for that's that's warranted of course you're trying to warn the public about conditions up the road construction or whatnot but for a construction project locally to have something that large. Um, I don't know what the right size is. If it's 24 square instead of 32, it would appease us. I'm not sure. Um, any thoughts?

Well, a 4 by8 sheet of plywood. If I'm driving down Menor Avenue and I look at the the one the one building that was put up, I don't know, is it just all storage? They had a they had a huge sign out front attached to the chain link fence and I'll I'll bet you it was 32 square feet. Okay. And it you know again coming soon architect this guy this guy you know this is what it's going to be personally I didn't find that objectionable okay on that on that one.

Okay. But I just think and and the answer Heather gave us was, "Well, that's what was in there before. We we didn't we didn't modify anything. We didn't make it any bigger." Okay. I said, "Okay." Okay. So, I kind of put my tail between my legs and I walked on. Okay. So, we've had So, what's G? I didn't I want to address F for is if we bring F to a closure if we're okay with I I guess I just it good for discussion just to see if there's anything like a I mean but you just brought up what I didn't remember has this is this has been

it's been in our it's been in there. Yeah. All right. So G I uh if I may uh I think that's it's not my last one but uh so this the um I I reread this because we discussed when signs need to be removed

and I as I read this and again maybe it's me is looking for stronger language from up to 30 days prior to the day absentee ballots are available or the day early voting is permitted. Whichever comes first for a for a general primary or secondary election and up to three days following such an election. All of that as a preface if I remember my English preface.

Then the subject the number of signs permitted on any residential lot is not restricted. No, I'm I'm geez I skipped for a general for a general primary special election and up to three days following such election and up to three days the number of signs is not restricted provided da da da it appears to me that this only says what's permitted on the number of signs not that after 3 days We got to removed it. We have to be removed after an election. It am I reading too much into that or what what do you think what do you think the intent of the way G is written? And I I might defer to Bry for a comment and I um again the way I read that it's only it's only restricting the number

up to three days. doesn't say up to three days. Okay. So what what happens after 3 days? It's just the number, right? Then what? Um then I suppose if there's more than that number after the three days of the election, then I think that's when it can be enforced. We're trying to stay away from, you know, um, regulating a political sign, but we are recognizing the fact that during a political season, especially around these elections, more signs tend to appear, right? Um, especially on a residential lot,

right? So we thought that the non-contentbased and neutral requirement regarding the number of signs could be relaxed during that time. Okay. Um that's good. All right.

And then so again afterwards I think we talked about how we would be enforcing this, right? We would enforce just again the number not the content of the signs that are up. So if one has four sides meaning these eight square feet and greater because of their frontage or whatnot it meets the meets that um uh the number is not restricted. No such signs should be larger than that up to three days the number of signs. So so if I remove one or two the the others can stay up like forever.

Yeah we did talk about that. So, I mean, kind of it's um we're trying to, I think, regulate the time, place, and manner of these signs without regulating what they say because we have recognized that some signs in support of a candidate or a political view are probably tough to regulate. Um and so we're trying to do them on a neutral basis with a time, place, and manner

um without, you know, regulating again what they say. But yeah, I think it does. We're trying to narrow in and restrict based on number and and square footage of the signs or size of the signs. So it says that the number is not restricted 30 days prior to 33 days following. What about after that? Again, I go back to what about after that period? What what is they're gone? Well, or they become something else. Maybe they become a permanent sign. These are more in the sign, right? Then we have to look then to those regulations or uh but this is specifically signs during elections. Well,

that's what G is. You're right. Um in other words, I mean, that's just the way we're labeling it. I I I believe the township is proud of the aesthetics of and the ambiance of our community and to have signs linger or election signs linger way after an election is seems it deters from I think just I don't care what it is it just deters right it's well because the election is over with it's over with why keep them up and they come become

I guess that's what I'm Hey, there's there's nothing here that tells uh what that we want them removed. It's hey, it's the election's over. It's done. I think what we were trying to do was frame it again on a on a a period of time in a year where elections occur, but not specifically saying that that means necessarily political signs. So, if you have a sign that says um I don't know, whatever your political view is, you know, vote Democrat.

Yeah. Um, we were trying to again try to make it as content neutral as possible that we're not regulating that type of sign that can be up for as long as I suppose it wants to be. But if it's during the these election cycles um, and then it has to be treated as a different kind of sign. But during these election election cycles during this time frame is how we have to look at again the number of the signs and then the size of the signs. trying to I don't know honestly it's a it's a tough it's tough to do. Um I think we're trying to make accommodations knowing that generally speaking more signs will pop up during the election cycle. Uh but that doesn't mean that they necessarily have to come down um after the election cycle

and and and your advice is we can't say take them down. It's tough to if we don't have some sort of um size requirement or time requirement. And again, without trying to regulate the the content, I mean, just because it's during the election cycle, any other signs can go up that are not election signs or political signs. We're trying to not restrict that. We're trying to almost um like kind of give a uh a window of time where we're not going to restrict um based on number or size during this one little time period. during this period without trying to say, hey, we're, you know, during election signs, you can only have political signs up during that time. That's actually really not the the basis or the viewpoint from this.

Uhhuh. I mean, admittedly, it is not an easy um regulation to enforce. So then after this time frame, then they fall into a different category. They could um but right because right they become either permanent or um not assigned necessarily during an election right during that time frame. Um they might have different regulations that would apply to this size. Um, and then we would have to regulate it, I guess, according to that.

And if they say vault ABC and they're under 8 square feet, they'd be okay. Yeah. Until they fell into another category, possibly. How does an election sign fall into another category? I don't know. Well, again, I don't know that we're saying that these are election signs. We're calling them signs during elections. No, I MEAN, I JUST IT JUST HIT ME WHEN YOU SAID THAT. ACTUALLY, you just signs during election doesn't mean it's difference without a distinction. Yes.

Correct. I mean it can be it can be distinguished but I mean again I know it's a play on words or it might sound like that but I mean truly we're trying to keep it as uh content neutral or not contentbased as possible. Um I have a sign I put up and I'd like to keep it up all year. It says vote. Our democracy depends on it. That's all it says. Take it down. Right. Okay. With signs during elections, not election signs. Correct.

Mike, you have a comment? Sorry. Sometimes force. Another thing I just I was reading back through again today to try and catch myself up before we started. So when we offer the expanded number of signs during an election, it's specific to residential lots. Residential, right? In our residential district, we don't limit the number of signs anyway. We we only limit the square footage. Yeah.

So you could still have any amount you want in a residential district. So, we're really just boiling it down to residential uses in a non-residential district, which after that window, that 3 days after the election period, right? In my view, now again, this is to enforce, right? I mean, it's it's difficult and most of the time it's going to be driven by com complaints or, you know, something that's surely obnoxious. Sure. Um, but that's when it would fall back into is it a temporary or is it a permanent? And then I look at the definition. So,

the definition of a temporary sign as opposed to the definition of a permanent sign, which we have those definitions. temporary signs, you're only allowed one in a non-residential district. And so that's how I would enforce it after that. So, say you have a residential home that's in our, I don't know, our town hall district, right? And they put up a 100 signs during the election season. Once that third day is over, now they've returned themselves back to they're only permitted one temporary sign. right now. Is that sign they put up during the election cycle a temporary sign? Well, then I got to determine the definition. So, that's how I would enforce it, I guess. Mike, is my point.

Okay. So, you got something Brady? I'm sorry. N. So, going back to Bry's. Okay. Signs during election and Mike's point. So it's one to when you read this presume assume that that three days after that we're going to enforce something else I I'm still failing to understand up to three days and then what we're saying there's number is is is permitted no the number is not restricted Yes. And up to three days

from the time that it started to 3 days after. That's the only time that this paragraph allows it. After the three days, it's a no. No. You got to take them down, baby. That's the way I read the way you read it. That's the way I read this. Or come within the number that is permitted from up to 30 days. come within the number that's permitted. Right. What I mean what Mike was just saying I Yeah. What Mike was just saying number and size. Right. Right. It's got to fall into something else.

Okay. But the the elections signs during elections can only happen 30 days prior to or the absentee ballots or whatever and then 3 days after the election then they all turn into pumpkins. So let me take that the next step. this claw to to your point. So this clause has this time period of I'll call it 33 days. The 31st day prior to that ballot I put up aside this is clause this 33 days doesn't restrict the number.

No. But before that period or after that period I could have a sign a sign a sign or under under a different a temporary category sign temporary permanent right whatever whatever our regulations. So for the 33 days we can have as many as you want the number is not restricted but the size is but the size is but then after that period we're not telling somebody who reads this what what your your your consequence is we're not saying that we don't they don't know I don't know because they don't know if it falls under falls under a tempor I assume a temporary sign

well then yeah I mean it would it would depending on what it is Again, I mean, yeah, we have a definition for permanent. We have a definition for temporary. So, under that allowance, the expanded allowance, somebody could arguably install a permanent sign if they wanted to for that time period. Okay? And then once that fourth day hits, I would expect that they would be back into compliance for whatever district they're in, whatever use they have on their lot, and if it's a temporary or permanent, whatever number they're allowed to have in the size.

Okay. And again, I mean, I drive through the township pretty frequently, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to catch every single person on the Yeah. fourth day. Um, I would say, well, we're not regulating election signs specifically in this. I don't generally have an issue after elections are over. A few people, a few people are outside, but yeah. Yes. Um I I think that the way that you guys have worked on it and worded it, it's going to make it easier for us from an enforcement standpoint. Okay. It's clear. It's much clearer and it's removes the what is the sign.

Okay. Okay. Well, I appreciate the discussion. Um, yeah, I'm really happy I brought it up, but I think I think but I'm at least I'm

I get it better. I just want to I had this I kept reading that and reading that over and over. What are we What are we regulating? Um, very good. Thank you. Thank you for uh your uh allowing me to go through that. Um my my last question was on 30.12. This is prohibited signs page section 30.12 page in the the red. It's 30.34. 30.12 on on the red line 30 is prohibited signs. E is flag signs as defined in 302. They're prohibited. So I I went back to 302. Go back to 3002 for flag sign which is I believe is just the definition. Yeah. So we define a flag sign. Okay. and 302 and 312 prohibited. We say they're prohibited. Is is does that make why does that make is that just there's a reasoning that we have to we define it to prohibit it

that okay what what's the reason it's a I mean so the definition that we use for it is well you can read it obviously but it refers to a very I would say not a specific type but a pretty recognizable if you imagine the image in your head when read the definition. Yes.

Um and I my understanding has always been that we we try and we've tried to regulate signs that flutter, they move, they're particularly distracting um for whatever reason. I don't know if it's health or safety or you know visibility or whatever. Um, and the ones that we most commonly see are the the blade signs, right? So, um, you'll see them we do allow them generally as like a temporary sign. We will sometimes permit them. Previously, I don't know. I think that at this,

you know, with the new revised version, we probably would not. I'm not sure. Okay. How we would how we would work through that. Okay. But there is a reason why we define it. Yes, that specific type of sign. Got it. Has always been a no no from my understanding. I got a question. All right. Please. How about the one where I don't know, gumbo or whatever it is, long tube with two arms out. You know, he deflates and inflates and deflates and inflates. Wacky wavy inflatable arm man. Oh, who? Wacky wavy inflatable arman. Yeah, that's

that sounds good. Yes. I've only had one since I've been here that I've had to tell them to remove um where a car dealership. No. No. Um at at Brimmix. Um sometime last year they had one up um and I forget what the definition it wasn't it wasn't flag sign. We had some other definition that's probably in the red line somewhere, but the general idea was Yeah. It's not allowed to flash around and move and do a bunch of Yeah. Um that's the only time that I've ever seen one in the township um in my you know

Okay. I Okay. Generally, it's a car dealership you see it at, right? And we don't have those. So, yeah. Um, might make more sense if we just call it a nuisance sign instead of flags. It's a nuisance, but it's distracting, right? All right. But I understand. Thank you. Yeah. I mean,

um, board that those are the Well, thank you for allowing to go through those. Those are the only other questions I had on section 30 of our sign racks. Anything? Anything else for that? Um, and that comprises amendment number one. Amendment number two. Yes.

That was only amendment number one. Well, the the other amendments here are are um uh related to the science and and I I want to say for my read they're merely technical corrections to other sections because of changes to section 30. Okay.

Uh so amendment number two is to revise uh section 5.02A76 to amend the definition of flag because we change flag in sign in the sign regulations. I don't know if they have any question on on that. Uh also um um the numbering here I was confused the amendment number two is repeated uh twice. Mike, do you know why perhaps amendment typo? I I would assume it was probably just

but it is it is a different uh reference again related to temporary and permanent signs where if that again amendment number two if you read is revising section 11.01H to adjust the cross reference to section 30.15 in regards to temporary and permanent signs. So it's a cross reference to 30 because we had changed the numbering. We got to change the numbering in 11. Uh, amendment number three, uh, reads to revise section 1502A to add flag poles to the list of accessory users and to delete 1503H flag poles and relocated garage sale regulations to the new section 1503M. Um, that one perhaps um um um if the board has any questions on it. Uh when I looked at it, it was merely a change in the table of uses from what I can see 1502A in the table of uses and and then a garage sale and and a provision in addition for a garage sale or similar house sales household sale sign uh which is something I think I remember somebody might have brought up about garage sale signs but it is addressed now in 15 02. to regulations to garage sale. It's it just relocated it here. It's relocating the garage sale regulations to this section. You know the reason to relocate it might from s we we relocated from signs to this section 15 which is um 15 comes out of what is section 15?

Oh residential districts. Oh residential districts. So garage sale regulations, we moved it to residential because a garage sale is not assigned, right? There's no change in that is moved. They moved it over here. Okay. Okay. Here.

Okay. Thank you, Mike. Um, amendment number four is revising uh the again capable of us is section 2203 um uh uh to add flag poles and revising section 2207 to add a new section E flags. Um, and amendment number five, this revise appendix one, zoning fees scheduled to add fees for solar energy systems and electric vehicle charging stations and revised fees for signed permit applications. Um, now that is we had discussion on it, but uh I thought we'd discuss that here again about the fee schedule. if there was anything any comments from the board uh related to uh the fee schedules. The the modification to include for um uh $100 a permit on the solar energy systems um that are uh is is what is part and parcel to amendment number five. Um, and also included is electrical vehicle charging, but again for the $100 nominal uh permit uh fee schedule. I don't have any issue with that unless there's any comment from the board.

Nothing. No comment. Um, so that completes what I think are six amendments numbered. Um uh and at this point um uh going back I think we had just we had one sentence to strike in section 30 Mike that you made note of. Yes. And um was there any other I don't think there was any other Okay. Um we answered all the questions. I don't think we had any other

update number 33 visibility area. Um just to reference the correct section the figure. Yes, the the reference is that Hyram. Yes, thanks Mike. Um uh if there's no objection from the board, I am satisfied with uh what we've gone through on not just section 30, but these other amendments uh to move them forward for uh consideration and adoption at our next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. next week or next month. Yeah. Right.

So, it would be a motion to to initiate the following zoning amendments and basically set it for a public hearing. So, we don't we don't move to, you know, move it to the next time to actually adopt these. It's to set the public hearing for the next and then at that meeting after the public hearing, assuming you set the public hearing for the regular meeting of March. Yes. Um then at that regular meeting you can proceed to make it a you know a recommendation to the board of trustees for approval or however you want to do this these amendments.

Okay. So if I recall Brighty that the if if there was a motion to move these amendments to public public hearing at the next meeting in March and that same meeting we could still we can move to adopt. Yes. If let's say you're you're setting that public hearing on the same date as the regular meeting of the zoning commission in March, then yes, at your regular meeting in March, you can then after having the public hearing, you can move forward. Does that need to be part of the motion or the motion is just to set up a not today? No, today it's to move to initiate though the following amendments. Yeah.

Right. Because they're text amendments to the zoning um code, zoning resolution, and then also set a public hearing for the March 3rd date. Move the commission. Okay. Oh, I look for someone on the board to if everybody's okay with that process to make that motion. Please consult with Brian if you need help or if you got you got it all now. Do we go what one by one?

You it would probably um Yes. I would I don't know if you have the work session materials for February 3rd, but at the very top or the it says kind of what the recommendation is is that it's to make a motion to initiate the following zoning text amendments and set a public hearing for March 3rd, 2026. I personally think you would want to read those, but please this might be most clear for the record. Mr. Chair, have a motion. Thank you, Ryan. Go ahead.

Like to make a motion to initiate the following zoning tax amendments and set a public hearing for March 3rd, 2026. Amendment number one, revise section 30, sign regulations, including updating purpose statements, definitions, temporary and permanent sign allowances, prohibited signs, design and illumination criteria, administrative procedures, adding new rules for flag poles, and severability and substitution clause. Amendment two reite I'm sorry if I may. Do we need to You can keep going. Okay. If you're going to do all of them, I there's no problem. Continue.

Continue.

Amendment two, revise section 5.02 A76 to amend the definition of a flag. Amendment two, which we need to revise. Revise section 11.01H 01H to adjust the cross reference to section 30.15 in regards to temporary and permanent signs. Amendment three, revise section 15.02A to add flag poles to list of accessory uses and to delete 15.03H 03H flag poles relocate garage sale regulations to new section 15.3F amendment four revise section 22.03 table of uses to add flag poles revise section 22.07 07 to add new section E flag poles. Amendment five, revise appendix one, zoning fee schedule to add fees for solar energy systems and electric vehicle charging stations and revise fees for assigned permit applications.

Uh we have a motion um on the floor. Um is there a second? I'll second. We have a motion and a second uh to recommend that the zoning commission make a motion to initiate the amendments as read uh in the motion this evening. Uh roll call, please. Mr. Schindler, yes. Mr. Redford, yes. Mr. Terry, yes. And Mr. Eeliss, yes. Thank you to the board. Thank you to the staff. Thank you Brighty for all the work that is associated with this is do we have to set a public hearing for next for March that's the motion

that was the mot that was in the motion that was the motion okay initiate so we have initiated the amendments and set the public hearing for March the 3rd

uh thanks thanks everyone for the work and time associated with that um uh moving on to uh old business um uh old business. Here is number one, the one lingering item. Establish a designated final date for completion of the sidewalk in accordance with the agreement between Concord Township Zoning Commission and the I9 Group LLC for the property located at Old Cryle and Cryle Road being parcel number 08-8-20-00-48-0. Uh agenda item has been tabled remains on the table until July of 2026. Our next meeting is uh scheduled for March the 3rd, 2026. Um there any other business to come before the board this evening? Right.

One thing, Mr. Chair, um if you don't mind maybe just making it clear that the public hearing will begin prior to the regular meeting, but at 700 p.m. on March 3rd, 2026. uh to amend the motion. You don't have to amend it. Just maybe just make it clear now unless you you can take a motion if you'd like, but I I think it just to make it clear that it's before the regular for the for the record, the the board uh uh approved a motion to initiate the text amendments this evening and set a public hearing for March 3rd, which is intended to to proceed before our regular meeting of the zoning commission meeting of March the 3 at 7 p.m. At 7 p.m.

Perfect. Thank you. And that's our next meeting, March the 3rd at 7 p.m. Uh, any further business to come before the board? Anybody have anything else for consideration? If not, uh, this meeting is adjourned.