City Planning Commission - workshop

Okay. Well, then good. I think we'll call to order

or whatever we're supposed to do for this. It's my first informal, so Trevor, help me now.

Yeah. What else do I have to do? Call that.

Can we do roll call for that one?

Okay. You didn't give me a script for this. There's no script. Okay. You're good to play it.

Communications. Start with 3.

Alright. Well yeah. So I'll start with communications. I appreciate those that are here, and Amanda, I think, is online. And if you are able to be visible, great. Thank you all for that because I know it's part of our discussion last week of just having more involvement. And if you can't be here in person, I get it. And maybe just you make sure you're on camera when you're not. With that in mind, I think that the joint meeting last night was last night.

I was like,

oh god.

What did you mean? Why did No. It just felt like yesterday.

The joint meeting last week was really was really great, and I love any other feedback. I think we had some good takeaways that, you know, the role that we play is very crucial and seen as very consequential by counsel. Yes. I just appreciate everyone's time and attention at that. I think I'm just gonna continue to work with Dan and Kevin on updates to rules and procedures, nominations, interview process.

Blanca is working with council liaisons to schedule interviews for planning commission candidates. Hopefully, those will be happening in May. Kevin, you may have more information on that. With that in mind too, I'm gonna suggest that we move our annual meeting, which is in our rules and procedures in June, scheduled to be or or proposed to be in our rules to from June to later in the summer, maybe August or September. And so, Trevor, I don't know if we need to take a formal action on that or if we can just schedule it when we schedule it because it

You can schedule it when you schedule it. The rules say that June is yeah. June is basically the default, but the chair and the board can reschedule it. So if you would like to just reschedule it to different month, we can do so.

Yeah. And do we need to take a formal action, like, at our formal meeting next week?

It would hurt to announce it at one point, but you don't need to take a

formal So should I do should I announce it in June that we're going to propose moving?

We can

do it.

Okay. I just think that with all of the shifting of our body at this point that it just doesn't make sense to try to have a an annual meeting when we're about to add potentially, you know, a new void voting member and several alternates after this interview process. So I just prefer to

Yeah. So a quick quick update on the the there's been over 30 applicants for the positions. The liaisons are working their way through the resumes to call that down to a number that we can interview. And but there's certainly not anything scheduled in the short term, and so they probably won't at the earliest, they would get to nominations by

their first meeting in June.

And then they're not having a second meeting in June, so that would if they miss that, they will end up at the later meeting in July, which would put us into August for

And you enjoy those seat. Okay.

Okay. Which I think also, again, just reinforces that doing an annual meeting when we don't have a full body doesn't feel like and that may be one of the things in the rules that I mentioned that, you know, two weeks ago, whatever it was. But I think maybe we just changed that date, but we'll see when we get there. And then the other thing that I wanted to talk about was boards or, I mean, the other boards and commissions. Jen and Shiva, you both are on other things. I do really need someone to take over the UDC scrub committee. Jen, I know I asked you. I didn't hear that.

Love to accept that

I have a conflicting meeting every

That's right. Okay. Is there anyone else like Dave or Ryan

that's

you're not on something else? Andrew's about to turn off. And if that and if it's not possible, then again, I think that's something else we can potentially wait until we get more members seated in or rich. Or wait until we get more members seated and then see. But we it it I think it is important that we have someone from planning on the UDC scrub.

What day of the week is that?

They meet the first Monday of every month at 10AM, which is when I host my staff meeting in the office. And I can't can't give that up.

Monday One Monday a month?

One Monday a month, and then there's a little bit of homework as far as, like, reading through the materials. Because, basically, right, we adopted the UDC three years ago from chapter seven code to UDC. And so they're now going through, as you saw, Sheila was here last month. Going through, there's grammatical things. There's inconsistencies in the code. So just scrubbing through and making those changes in a methodical way. So if you like to read the code or if you wanna learn more about the code

Well, I don't I would be delighted to do that Monday. I do have a conflict on Monday, but one Monday a month is

The first Monday of the month. So double check that. Okay.

They're all the

same for me.

And I think most all of our meetings are virtual, so you don't have to come downtown. Dan's nodding. So they meet virtually on Teams. So you can call in in your jammies.

Meeting difficult? Two hours? Three hours?

No. It's it's, like, maybe hour, hour and

a half.

Oh, fun. Yep. Yeah. Yep.

Yep. It'll work. Okay. Good. That feels so great.

Monday and Thursday is good. But I have to say that you expect any English corrections. You're not gonna be able to put it anywhere.

I think I think it's more just getting a sense from a wide body. They have industry folks. Right? They have Citi. They've got planning commission. They've got other experts. So there's a wide variety of people who are looking at it, so there's different perspectives. Okay. And then finally, working on updates to the rules and procedures as we talked about last week and then more training and education. So I know I

received boards. Done? Before we leave boards, are we covered on the downtown?

Are you keeping downtown? So downtown review board, DRB. I'm gonna keep that position until we get our body reassembled and more voting members, etcetera, and then look to see who and where might be a good fit. So so that one is a TBD. Any other questions on board rules? And I don't wanna over burn folks. That's why I'm not like, if you're on something already, I'm not gonna ask you to be on two things or three things.

I know I somehow have two or three things.

And Andrea's leaving, so she can't be on anything.

I'm not still on Annex EOS.

Oh, that's right. Do you need to hand that off to someone? Are

we gonna finish it? Yes.

Yes. Okay. So we do need to know what's

up and jabbing on.

We didn't say when we were gonna

Is there still a regular meeting cadence for that?

We're back on review cycles.

So how frequently? Whenever we want. Yeah. Whenever I get

an email, I could go.

We're we're we're in our third stakeholder meeting now this week or next week. And then we'll have some updates, and then we'll do one more. And we'll probably be bringing this to you in July.

Yeah. It'll be done before September.

So Okay. So if you wanna just pull I will continue.

Yeah. There's, like, I don't think, a couple of weeks. Anyone wants to step in at the eleventh hour. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. We'll leave that.

Training and education, I know we talked about that last week, and I've had a couple conversations with Dan. And, Kevin, I know I've received a couple of emails with suggestions of training topics, but if you all could send me or just tell me, you know, let me know if there's things that you really want to have training on. And then, Trevor, for you, in the future, if we put a training topic in our work session agenda, do we always have to notify and and whatever the terms are, notify what that training is, or can it just be a standing thing that the topic shift? Does it depend on who or what it is?

Depends on

a little bit on who and what it is. You want to have enough information in the agenda that someone probably knows what it is or has a general idea. So if you say general if you keep it general enough, like planning on UDC interpretations and things like that, it's probably okay. But if but you wanna keep it in that in that description.

So if we put traffic, fire, some of those bigger ones, we may not have to say it's Todd Frisbee, but it's someone from traffic is coming. And if it's Yeah.

You don't even know to name specific people or anything.

Can just be anyone from the the staff updating on Yes. But we need to have what the topic is. It can't just say monthly training.

Yeah. Oh. Be better than that.

Little bit more detail. Stuff.

Things and stuff. Stuff or traffic stuff.

Well, I

have fire traffic, annex The US, economic impact, tax base, etcetera, code overview, understand the tables. So we have a handful of things already. But Those are great topics. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Well, we'll keep collecting topics.

You can throw our yearly epic streaming in then too. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's been a while since we've had, and maybe that's really timely, the PR. I know Max and Jen from the public relations media people. Mhmm. They did a PR and media training a while ago. That might be a

good one to add back in. So if

you get asked a question by the media, what do you say? Should be no comment to

talk to Kevin Walker there.

With that, I think I'm finally done, Kevin.

Okay. Oh,

yeah. Wait. Was there a question?

No. That's good issue. I was thinking about that the other day. The media comes up and says, what do you think?

Yeah. I also think once we cycle I mean, once you know, we've seen it, Andrea. No. We'll have had all but you and me will be the only will not have received the how does the URAs work. Oh, sure. Yeah. URA is

a great one. Yeah. Urban Renewal Authority. Yeah. That's a great one. K.

Okay. K. I have several things to catch us up on to I do also think that the meeting last week was was very productive, but we have ideas and we got a lot. So we came up with some ideas and things to to think about. We're waiting anxiously for you guys to come up with some ideas also, and we'll we'll kinda get that cadence going a little bit.

One of the things we work we showed Nadine yesterday was a little bit about how we get items, how they get from ideas to, you know, the write ups. And that might be helpful for you all to understand sort of how the how our system works and sort of how we track them and how we plan for them, how we deal with them. And speaking of planning for them, we have an item that is on a fast track for a variety of reasons. But we may need to have a special meeting for a couple of reasons. One, the sheer number of people who are probably gonna be interested in this item.

And so the venue might need to change a little bit and certainly the amount of time and the timing of that meeting. And this has to do with the data center development plan. So we're working our way through all of that right now. So we're looking at and I I think we sent out a notice to you. Looked like June 23 was going to be a good day for that, but that's not a good day for getting it to the city council in the time that is necessary. So we're dealing with maybe moving that meeting or maybe moving your meeting or trying to figure out quite how to do that. So that's still a little bit in flux. So we appreciate your patience as we try to work our way through that.

And how soon do you

think you'll have some just because I know with end of school, Memorial Day, June travel for folks, how soon can we anticipate? I know you're dealing with, like, 17,000,000 calendars probably.

You have about five minutes. Put it online.

In about ten minutes, I have a I will be leaving here to go discuss that with a variety of different people on the 6th Floor. So Okay. I'll know more maybe by the time we get to the end of this, but but it's it's kinda have to be in a June sort of time frame. It could potentially push to July, but it's gonna be a it's gonna be an extraordinary effort and an extraordinary meeting. So I think that we need to figure out how to do that. Yeah.

We're working on that. So maybe late May, but most likely early June. What? That the the meeting time frame.

No. It won't be it'll be late June. It'll be mid June. At the earliest. Okay. If not later, in early July. Okay. That's one thing. Speaking of manic COS, we're we are now through two of the three stakeholder meetings, had some input. We have a draft of that, making some changes to that, some additions to that.

And then we will be planning on bringing that to you probably in the July. That's your July meeting. So that's our that's our time frame for that at the moment. The Southeast Strong Plan was presented to city council two weeks ago or ten days ago or so and was received fairly well. I think they are scheduled to take that up on work session in their first meeting in July. And so that has proceeded somewhat less bumbly than it had before. And so we will be moving forward with that a little bit.

Was that South East Strong?

What's that? What did okay.

South East

Strong. Okay. And they're taking in a work session? Yes. K. To make edits,

probably. Or what is It's just their process. They they do a for controversial or difficult issues, they do a lunch meeting, and then they do a work session meeting. And then they it's kind of a markup session, and then they do a formal meeting. Got it. Thank you for clarifying. Yep. And probably the same sort of process with AnnexCOS. So it's a similar piece. It's a piece of the implementation piece of the plan CLS.

So it's kind of a it follow the same sort of process. Well, I think that's kinda it for me. Do you have any ideas, you know, anything you wanna ask me about or help clarify, please give me a call about this training stuff. I'm excited about getting hoping to move that along. Alright. Two quick things for me,

if that's okay. Yeah. Item 10 a right now, we have elections, with the vice chair. Oh, so Just hoping we could actually move it to towards the beginning of the meeting, like item three or four, just so that you have a vice chair appointed for the meeting. Mhmm. And that way, if something if you had to run out in the middle of the meeting or something, you have a vice chair to take things over.

Is that possible? Can I just run out a copy? I'll be back. No. I I shouldn't do that.

But you're right. You're the chair. You're the chair.

Take everyone out. Then second, just to let you all know, I'm going on my honeymoon next Wednesday. So

so yeah. Congratulations.

So at the meeting last afternoon, Caitlin is going to take over for me. So, just to give you all a heads up.

I think you should just run out and Oh, we didn't even get you a gift or anything. Sorry.

That's okay.

Yeah. Awesome. No. I think that's

a great idea. So if we can

make that shift on the agenda, we can do that. And and speaking of that too, I mean, I think I've had some conversation with again, with kind of the flux that our body is in with Kevin and and staff about maybe having an interim kind of position for vice chair at least to get us through until we have an annual meeting. So that's likely the direction I'm gonna recommend just because I feel like we've got a lot of shifting coming to our body, and I wanna just get us through this kind of hump of the next couple months before we really make some solid decisions on what will be for the next year. And, again, which is why I don't like the June annual meeting time frame because it just puts the cart before the horse as far as, our membership. So but, yeah, I think we can move that.

Think because someone else is gonna make the agenda and send it out. So

okay. And we'll

have approval of minutes. And I know sometimes I'm not the best at reading the minutes, but when we do read them, I sometimes find errors, omissions, or changes. And I know we've changed our process a little bit recently, so make sure you are reading the minutes just to, you know, see if that's capturing kinda what you remember saying or asking with the way that those look. So and then, yeah, onto consent calendar, I believe. Austin Bluffs pump station.

Good morning. So we're gonna start off easy. The Austin Bluffs pump Station is a simple zone map amendment statement. This is a request to fix a split zone issue with two city owned parcels. This site is located just Northeast of UCCS.

It contains about 5.24 acres. The address is 4625 Steen Road. There has been a water tank on-site since about the nineteen sixties or so, and the city is looking at decommissioning that facility in order to rebuild a new one. This is the water tank. They're planning to put one right here instead.

There's a separate development plan and subdivision flat, and that's kind of where staff identified the split zone issue. So this is a simple correction of these zoning closed sites. Currently, it's a mix. The one parcel is residential estate with public facilities and hillside overlay, and the other is public facilities, PDZ, and hillside overlay. So with the zone map amendment, it would convert both properties over to public facilities, which is the required zone district for for utilities of the scale, and it'll retain the hillside overlay.

No comments were received from the community. So everyone is kind of already on board and understands that this site, per the master plan and then the other applications that had public notice already go out, already understand what is going on here. And there were no major comments from any of our review agencies as well because, again, they had already seen the development plan and plot when the scheme.

Do we expect anyone to flash back to the last water story?

I already am. I Same. PTSD. No. It's not. That's not

what we're hearing as a design anything. It's just zoning. But to be expected for the public to show up or anything?

I've heard no heaps from anybody.

I think, first, like, where my mind goes, the more important thing here is once the zone change and then CSU starts into their design process and what have you, Can we please impress upon the appropriate staff and connections and RVD and all of that to do it right so that we don't end up back where we were? That would be my admonishment too. Our staff, PPRVD, CSU, get your ducks in a row. CSU did

have an appropriate public interface. Right.

And then it was approved without the design and the type and yeah.

Yep. Yeah.

Just a split zone for this.

They're all thinking the same thing. Just just a split zone. That's Dale's saying. I gotcha.

But I think that's the development plan. No. I get a break.

Let's see. Oh, no. Bill's in the middle there.

I'm next. This is just a condition.

It's for you're so oh, Mitch.

Good day. It's a conditional use application for a Colorado Chronic. Colorado Chronic is a medical marijuana cultivation facility, and they are requesting to add retail marijuana plants to the current operation. So we're located at 2926 Wood Avenue, and we are just South of Billmore by one lot, and then Cascade is two streets to the east. The property is currently zoned MXM.

The zoning around this property is click. It's MXM. It's 0 R. It's MXM MXM. And across the street, we have R 50, here. Here. And then we have single family and two family zoning just to the south of Taylor Street. So just like the zoning, the neighborhood in terms of uses is a mix of commercial and residential. The site area is about 27,300 square feet. And you could just go to the next slide, Salon. Yeah. If there is a next slide.

The

building is, as I said, just one lot off of Fillmore. It is the building itself is 9,600 square feet. It's like a neighborhood shopping center. Colorado Pranik occupies 2,600 square feet of the building right now. They have been a medical marijuana grow since 2012.

The applicants took over the use in 2016, and they are now requesting to add retail marijuana because of the changes that the city has made to cannabis marijuana laws. So this I guess the one thing I would emphasize with this application is that they're not expanding the building. They're not expanding their lease area. They won't grow any more plants. The plants will just mix in terms of medical and marijuana.

From the information we've got from the applicant, they're not adding employees. So from staff's perspective on this, really have little change to what has been going on in this location for the last fifteen or fourteen fourteen years. There is a condition that step is added to the conditional use, which you can see in the staff report, and it really addresses the parking area here. So this portion of the parking lot actually encroaches into the Wood Avenue right away. It's probably we know it's been like that for sure since 2002, but it's probably it could date earlier than that.

So the condition is to either restripe it so it doesn't encroach or get a revocable permit from the city just so we recognize that it it it is in that location. This application does have I don't it has a considerable amount of public comment. So I think it's kind of the typical marijuana comment. It attracts the wrong crowd. It odor.

There was some comment on on lighting. There was one comment as it related to its proximity to the North Nevada Avenue overlay. So those are some of the things you'll see in the public comment exhibit to the staff report and you may hear at the public meeting. And the reason that we're asking or have requested this beyond new business is because of the of the public comment. So rather than it just having someone pull it off, it's just off and we'll present it. And both staff and applicant will leave there.

Do you

think there'll be a lot of public When you say significant, there's, like, four letters in I

don't I don't know. I've had plenty of phone calls on this. And as you can see, the public notice or the public comments all date back to '25. We just made new public notice, and I've only received one one comment, but it's that matchless one of the previous comments.

Is it correct to say this is for growing retail marijuana but not retail sales?

They do not sell. They just grow.

And as part of the process, if there is a transfer of the retail product to someone to sell it, there is a revenue for the city of some kind, a tax or something that goes with that?

At the retail level. Yeah. But this is not a

I thought there was

a I thought there was additionally a tax from the grower to the retail store.

I do. I feel that.

There can be, but I don't think the city instituted one. I'd have to double check that for her.

I see.

It comes from conditional use. It transfer it applies to the whole parcel or only the unit and ownership in question?

Or it's just basically just gonna tie it to the lease. Yeah.

So So it would not transfer automatically to a next owner or to the rest of the parcel?

Initial uses would run with the unit.

Yeah. Yeah.

The unit. Yeah. So if somebody

A new lessee could come in with a grower, but they could Colorado.

Right. Colorado decided to leave. They sold their license to somebody else, that person could come in. Because one of the requirements of the use is that you have to be a Right. Property licensed facility. So

But it couldn't just, like, become what the entire shopping center becomes or anything without coming back around for more. Right. Yeah.

They were Got it.

And those are actually I mean, I'm I think those are probably good questions next week. So I think, right, a lot of the comments is I don't want this. Well, this is actually already there.

Yeah.

And we've had this way, so many of them show up on consent is that the the law changed recently, right, by some of councils that it can be colocated. So nothing's changing about what's happening. They're just dividing their operation into two revenue streams.

That's been Yeah. A big part of the conversation. Yeah. That is that people really didn't realize that there's cultivation actually occurring in these locations.

And they probably don't want people to know that they're doing that because people might.

No. And he's done How to get in? I think this happens. It's pretty good job of not being very nervous. Yeah. At least from my point.

Right. Yeah. I love the names too.

Okay. Allison, now you're back again. Now you're back. Now you're back. Okay.

Oh, the fun one.

Here's the fun one. You don't say.

I when I first glanced at it, I was like, oh, it's not gonna be very long. And then I read and looked,

and I was like, oh, wait a minute. Yeah. What are

we getting for lunch?

That's a

good question.

I know. You guys won.

You've always done a great job. Okay. So this is the Briargate Voyager multifamily proposal. This application consists of a zone map amendment and a land use plan. This is 7.93 acres located at 1625 Springcrest Road.

This is at the northeast of the intersection of Voyager and Briargate, very close to I 25, and also looks next to the classical academy central location. The request is to change from Business Park with conditions of record and high rise overlay and the Air Force Academy overlay to mixed use medium with Air Force Academy overlay. The conditions of record that are currently on-site prohibit the height from going above 68 feet. So with the high rise overlay, there, at some point in time, would have likely allowed higher than that, and the current zoning then kind of caps it back down. So that is for the current zoning.

Solange, if we could go to the next. Currently, with the site being BP, it has some other BP in the area. This is a tension pond that's owned by the city, so there's nothing actually there. And then there's some commercial buildings over in the area. The transition to MXM would be largely compatible with the development to the south.

So you've got the Promenade, a bunch of other commercial developing along Briar Gate. There's the Research Parkway, all of the commercial and office spaces there. There's other multifamily units in that area. However, there's been significant concern about compatibility when you look more to the north and Northeast. As you can see, there's some single family estate style homes in this area, and then further north is a bunch of county enclaves.

So they're very large properties, single family, low intensity. And then also Otero Avenue here is a county road, so it is not built to the same standards that we have in the city. So needless to say, there is a lot of engagement with this project. If you open yeah. What is that green parcel to the north? North, this one?

The church.

So this you might remember from a couple months ago. Austin brought that one in. Yeah. That That was the church. Christian Church?

Yes.

I think so.

That was the Briar Gate Church, isn't it?

I don't remember the name, but, right, we we approved the rezone for the commercial Sure. I think MXM. MXM. Sleeping.

Yeah. I just can't read what color what does the color say, MXM? So so it said a for agriculture currently, but it was So the

map's

just

not up to date on Okay. City view. K. That was recently rezoned.

It is MXM, though. Right? It was rezoned?

I don't think it ever went to city council.

It did not move to city council.

Oh, it took

We all actually voted to disapprove it.

Okay.

And really so the applicant has is reevaluating whether to move forward under that current, recommendation from this body or to pivot Mhmm. To a different So

I I voted in favor of it, and I was outnumbered. So that's why I

think it was approved. So so it is a, it is agricultural because it didn't ever go forward. I checked in with Austin a couple times. It sounds like there hasn't been much progress on that. So that kind of competing factor doesn't seem to be at play too much currently. So that's just something to keep in mind. But it seemed like some of

the comments on that one were actually comments that were somewhat related to this. And so I think from a public standpoint, there was there's been confusion about all the stuff that's happened. There's obviously a

lot going on. Yeah. They're they came in really close the time. So I think at you know, especially with some of the early comments I received on this project, I think a lot of them kinda started to intermix because it was around the time the other site was kinda gearing up for hearing. So Yeah. You might see some kind of, you know, commingling of comments. Yeah. But to the same kind of effect that they're concerned about traffic. They're concerned about school safety. They're concerned about impacts to the neighborhood and things like that.

So there were a significant amount of public comments received early in the review process. We did hold a neighborhood meeting, so it was very well attended. We had a fifty seventy folks come out for that and had a grand time talking to all those folks and hearing all about their concerns. And since then, we've had continued engagement. So this is a group of very organized, very motivated neighbors and parents specifically who have continued every time I've reached up to say, hey.

A new new package has come in. I've gotten more and more emails. And I do have a couple that I still owe you guys in my inbox right now. There's also been an online petition. There's about a thousand signatures. How many of them actually were from the spring or from this area? I can't say. But that is another kind of piece of information to be aware of. And I would expect a a significant amount of folks coming for this. It happens to also be a teacher workday Oh. Next Wednesday, so we might also be getting some children coming in with us. So the civics lesson. Lesson. Has the classical academy taken official position? Able Academy has not.

They have decided to stay out of it. They are working with the city separately on trying to figure out some of the traffic issues that are part of this equation. Classical Academy does not have busing. Right. Yeah.

I see.

So the parent drop off time, and pickup is a lot of the issue with this project. So they are separately working on coming up with better strategies. But, similarly, the the neighborhood and the parents are still concerned about, you know, other aspects of

Does the development plan or the or the person who's gonna develop it give us an indication how many dwelling units will be inside that area?

I think that will probably

be in their presentation. So let's hope that I'm sorry? I'm sure I'm sure that'll be in their presentation.

It'll be in their presentation. It would be interesting to see either from the city or from the presenters how they would think people will transition to I 25 from that location.

Yeah. That that they plan on coming in with some info on they have their traffic report also in the packet. I've already invited Todd Frisbee, so he'll be there as well. And there is planned to be 236 units.

236 units.

As of the land use plans, of course, that's not necessarily binding, but that's kind of what they anticipate being able to achieve on the site and what they're kinda aiming for. So when they get to develop a plan, you know, we might have to flush that out further. The other things I kind of wanted to bring up, the city is requiring quite a few improvements related to the project to make sure that basic safety, traffic standards are met, and, other livability, quality of life standards are being met. So those include restriping existing acceleration deceleration lane, northbound to comment right turn on Springcrest, striping the eastbound right turn lane to allow full movement off of, Springcrest, so going on to Voyager, and then also continued coordination with CDOT. They had quite a few questions about how the traffic from this site could influence the intersection at, Breargate and Voyager.

So they will be required to do further studies if this application is approved. They will be providing nine feet of right away on the north part of the property to allow for new sidewalks and also just, you know, room for the right away. And then they are also being required to build the Skyline regional trail connection that goes through the property, and that would be on the West Side. So those are some of the things that the developer would be required to do as part of the application. But, of course, everything at this point is conceptual in the land use plan.

Sounds like a good one. That's that's essentially the overview. Okay. Yeah. And it was the green is all agricultural.

Yeah. Yes. Mhmm. K. Yes. And

then everything that isn't colored in is county. Mhmm. Yeah. Or There's a

a river that goes through there that's saved for the water. Is it not I mean, it's saved as a park kind of river situation.

This one here? Yes. Yeah. This is the golf course. I think it's the Pine Creek Golf Course, and then it kinda trickles down into this detention area here.

I don't see if that extends.

It's Kettle Creek, not Pine Creek.

Yeah. That's what I understand. It's a braid of Kettle Creek.

It doesn't actually go on that.

No. No. It's a fairway south southeast. Nope. It's a fairly fat flat piece of land if you've been out there. I drive by it a lot, so I get a peek at it occasionally. But right now, it's just full of, you know, weeds and tall grass. The city's actually been using it as a staging area to do work on the detention pond. So that's kinda freaked out a couple of residents saying, oh, they're already doing stuff, but they're just using it for staging at the moment. So So Todd is coming. Do we think we need police or not? There's comments about

Police are probably the most drastic comments, I would say.

I I did also invite police and fire. Okay.

Yeah. Sounds important.

But if there's anyone besides those three you would like, I can reach out.

Were there any other, like, organized public comment, like groups that presented even at your public meeting?

So at the public meeting, it was just the the applicants and developer who presented.

Mhmm.

There was a variety of folks who were there who spoke up, but there was no organized group. I think some of the parents and guardians of TCA have kind of formed little groups that are kind of acting Interactive. Kind of acting to to coordinate with me, but then also to to relay information to other parents and ians who might be interested in getting involved. But but you

don't anticipate that they will be organized to put together a presentation and wanna seed time and have a slide.

I did get somebody asking about seeding time, and I told them, you know, to let us know who and how many and all of that as quickly as possible, and I haven't heard anything since then.

And yeah. Maybe we can press upon them again at the end of this week if that's the case so that we don't run into what we ran into last month where we have someone literally the day of giving us their PowerPoint, which, you know, we can our team is excellent and can move quickly, but it's not respectful. Right. If we don't know if we know that in in advance, it's more respectful of the process, and they get a little

bit more coordination from you. Absolutely. I'll to remember who it was. Yeah. Yeah. Impressed upon them that I need it now Yeah. Or it's not happening. Yeah.

Do you

like a deadline for when that might happen if we're gonna start? They've got attachments and PowerPoints and things like that. I mean, if we can get it no later than twenty four hours prior, that'd be helpful. Monday. Sarah Hinsler, if you as far as seating time, is twenty four hours okay? As long as we let you know. Sure.

Yeah. I think for larger groups, right, I think that's been kinda consistent. And I think paced, you know, even on our conversation two weeks ago with Yep. Counsel even, like, the day of if they're in the room and they

see their time will allow that. But if it's in terms

of organized presentation with slides, I'd like

Yeah. They can do this. No no yeah. Twenty four hours in advance would be helpful for stuff. Fifteen minute limit, though. Correct. Up to five people, fifteen minutes, one speaker, and then four seating time. That's what I thought. Okay. Yeah. I'll check-in with them, and I will also get the other public comments over

to you guys.

And this is all market rate? Yes. Yes. All market rate.

And, Allison, for the public meeting that you had, no one else was there except for the developer. It's public in general. There was no other city officials.

I don't believe so. I think I extended an invitation particularly to traffic, and they did not show. So it's just the city. And the city was just there to answer any process related questions. They did ask why city council and planning commission weren't there, and I had to be like, no. They're not allowed to be here. Right. I recommend it. Okay.

Alright. Well, I think that's our last our last item. Kevin is not back, and maybe his computer's still here. So maybe he'll come back.

Dan, did you have anything else for the good of our order? Okay.

Does anyone else have any other questions, comments, training topics, discussion? K.