City Council - workshop

Monday, May 11, 2026

The Colorado Springs City Council discussed housing affordability, community engagement, and educational programs. Key presentations included a report on the Pikes Peak housing deficit, an update on the "Hey Neighbor" community initiative, and an overview of Pikes Peak State College's workforce development programs.

About this meeting

Government Body
City Council
Meeting Type
City Council
Location
Colorado Springs, CO
Meeting Date
May 11, 2026

Transcript

733 sections (from 800 segments)

0:03Speaker 1

Colorado Springs, we shoot for the moon. We train the defenders of air and space. We secure a

0:12Speaker 2

Yes. We better get going.

0:14 – 0:25Speaker 3

Good morning, and welcome to the City of Colorado Springs work session meeting for Monday, 05/11/2026. Will the clerk please call the roll?

0:28Speaker 4

Council member Casey?

0:30Speaker 4

Council member Crowe Everson.

0:32Speaker 4

Council member Donaldson. Excused. Council member Gold.

0:40Speaker 4

Council member Hidom. Present. Council Member Line Weber?

0:47Speaker 4

Member Here. Council Member Risley? Here. Council Member Williams? Here. Eight present, one excused.

0:56 – 1:13Speaker 3

Are there any changes to the agenda today? Seeing none moving on to the regular meeting comments. Are there any changes to the regular meeting for tomorrow? Seeing none moving on to 4A. Will the clerk please read Item 4A into the record?

1:15Speaker 4

City Council Work Session Meeting Minutes 04/27/2026.

1:19 – 1:30Speaker 3

Are there any questions to those meeting minutes? Seeing none, moving on to item six a. Will the clerk please read item six a into the record?

1:30Speaker 4

Highspeak Housing Network State of Housing Report.

1:38Speaker 3

Good morning, Jill.

1:45 – 2:18Speaker 7

President Crowe Iverson, excuse me, president pro pro tempore Risley, council members. And I'd like to give a special welcome to our new council member, mister Casey. Welcome to the dais. I look forward to meeting with you at some point. Okay. So because are you gonna click or am I gonna click? I'm gonna click. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna click. So because we have a couple new people here, I wanna very briefly talk a little bit about the organization of Pikes Peak Housing Network.

2:18 – 2:59Speaker 7

The organization was founded in 2023 by a group of very concerned and compassionate community members who really wanted an organization that was focused twenty four seven on our housing crisis. And so they formed PPHN to really advocate for housing affordability, housing production, and access in the Pikes Peak region. And we are the only organization in the region accomplishing this mission. Why are we needed? If you read through at all the region's new housing needs assessment, it says we have a housing deficit somewhere between 13,027 homes and that's a lot of homes.

3:00 – 3:24Speaker 7

As you all know, the housing opposition, opposition to any type of growth in our community is swelling. More and more people don't want us to build anything. They don't like change. And so we need a voice for those who really need housing. Our younger residents especially are unable to purchase a home and experience the American dream and so we are doing all we can to ensure that they have homes.

3:25 – 4:05Speaker 7

And without action, the lack of housing, production and affordability in our region will seriously impact our economy and our ability to hire a quality workforce. Now I'm just gonna go through a little bit of the data. As you all know, some of you did attend our 2025 actually, was the twenty twenty six state of housing event where we presented the 2025 State of Housing Report. Unlike your housing needs assessment, it is an eight page document that has very simple data in it that, any community member can understand and then share with their commute their family, their friends, their colleagues about why we housing in our region. And so that report was released.

4:05 – 4:30Speaker 7

I'm happy to send it to all of you. But it's this is just a kind of a compilation of some of that data so that you can see the concerns that we have about our our housing deficit in the Pikes Peak region. This graph you have before you is a nationwide graph. I couldn't find data locally. But as you can see, the average age of the first time homebuyer has increased from 31 years old to 40 years old just in the past decade.

4:31 – 5:06Speaker 7

And the average age of the average home buyer is now increased to 59 years old, which is my age, from 44 years old over the past decade. This is very concerning and as I said before, so many of our younger community members are unable to purchase a home. They are as we can see delaying marriage, delaying having families and we want them to be able to experience the American dream. So, oh this graph didn't display quite right. But so this is our very simple data around how we define and describe the housing deficit in the Pikes Peak region.

5:07 – 5:29Speaker 7

Your housing needs assessment has also a number for what our housing deficit is. This number is in that range, but it is a very simple way for you to share what our housing deficit is with anyone else. And that really is just to say how many housing units we have in our community. Housing unit can be an apartment and it can be a mansion. That's a housing unit.

5:29 – 5:58Speaker 7

And then we have the number of households. And that is a household can be one person and it can be a family of 10. And we should have 10% more housing units than we have households. And so this graph just basically shows the number of households time point times point one, that's the need of 331,000. Our housing unit number is 317, so when you subtract those numbers, our housing deficit is simply around 13,000 to 14,000.

5:59 – 6:38Speaker 7

Is that exact? No, there is no exact number and your housing needs assessment adds other things in there like the number of people commuting into the city for work, the number of people living on their parents' couches and such and such. But that is a really complicated number and hopefully we can all understand this one and share that with those in our community. This number, this graph really just is the one that I, if I only have one graph I share this one piece of information. And this is over the last ten years how the incomes have risen in our region and that is the red line.

6:38 – 7:03Speaker 7

They've risen about 48%. And then what our average rents have gone up and that is the yellow line at 111%. And then the average cost of a home in our region has risen a whopping 141%. So this right here in a nutshell is why our community members cannot afford to purchase a home. We just are not keeping up our incomes with the price of homes.

7:07 – 7:37Speaker 7

Now this is an an unusual graph that I I probably won't do again, but I I really kinda wanted to understand if what I've been hearing over these last many years is true. Are are we really experiencing a housing deficit or did it begin when we had our downward crisis recession back in 2008? And so I pulled the permits from regional building over the last ten actually, is twenty years so I could get back to that number to really show this. And and yes, it is true. The blue line is single family homes.

7:37 – 8:00Speaker 7

As you can see in around 2005, we were building over 5,500 single family homes per year. And then around 02/1978, it dropped down to about a thousand. It kind of has risen and risen and gone back down, but it's never gotten back to what it was back in 2005. And the other interesting piece, of course, is the orange line. That's apartments or multifamily homes.

8:01 – 8:38Speaker 7

As you can see, they've just been kind of low all these years. But then because we had a need, a demand for more rental housing because our community members could not afford a home, That number has skyrocketed up and in around 2023 those two lines intersected and we had more apartments being built than homes. And in the end of twenty twenty five that happened again where the number of apartments permitted was greater than the number of single family homes permitted. The other number I'd like to draw your attention to is the green line. That is the number of condos that we have permitted over the years.

8:39 – 9:04Speaker 7

And I don't have the the numbers in my head memorized for the last twenty five years, but I do know in the last ten years we have permitted over 64,000 housing units. Only 187 of those have been condos. So don't let anybody tell you that that's a demand issue. That is 100% quintessentially a construction defect issue that we need to be fixing at the capital.

9:04Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjem.

9:05Speaker 8

Oh. Thank you, madam president. Hi.

9:07Speaker 7

Good Good morning, councilwoman. Thank you for being

9:09Speaker 8

here as always. I have a question on the multi family number. Is that number the number of total buildings or it's not units?

9:17Speaker 7

It's units.

9:18Speaker 8

It's actually

9:19 – 9:46Speaker 7

units. Yeah. Yeah. That would be a huge number of. Okay, thanks. Okay, any other questions? I know you have a lot of questions. A lot. Okay, so this is just a little data, a little more data about single family home purchase. I wanted to kinda explain kind of in a more meaty way why community members are not afford able to afford a home.

9:46 – 10:29Speaker 7

So at the end of twenty twenty five, the median home price was 460,000. Actually, around August 2025, it hit 500,000, and now right now in 2026, it's it's like 540,000. So so it it, continues to go up. If you have a down payment on that number of 20%, your loan amount would be $368,000 with an interest rate of 6%. It's higher right now. Your monthly mortgage would be 2,800. If you add in taxes and insurance, your total monthly payment is 3,400. And for those who are paying attention, we all know that property insurance and property taxes are rising. So this is kind of a lower number. But that makes your total payment of 3,400.

10:29 – 11:01Speaker 7

And if you're only paying about 30% of your income towards your home cost, you need to be earning a 138,000 to purchase that home. And so that again is an income that the majority of our community members are not earning as the median income is about 87,000. So this just kinda shows in a nutshell a specific reason why people aren't being able to purchase a home. This is another facet of that issue on this is one of my favorites. This is a funnel graph.

11:01 – 11:30Speaker 7

The left one is based on the incomes at the end of twenty five. This is what our community members can afford to purchase. And the right funnel graph is what we the type of prices of homes we are currently building. So you can see there's a mismatch between what our community members can afford to purchase versus what we're building. And there is a bright spot to this because this data is actually about 88% better than it was last year.

11:30 – 12:06Speaker 7

Our builders who are smart and want to be able to sell their homes are shifting what they're building to smaller units, smaller homes, more cost effective and affordable homes. And so those numbers are not quite, as you can see, a direct funnel and they are building more homes in that $400 $600,000 range which is a bright spot and it's really good. Lastly, I added this data at the last minute. I wanted to you to kinda see what's happening in the rental market. This is actually at the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty six, so I have moved away from your 2025 data.

12:07 – 12:52Speaker 7

I hear a lot, and I I bet you do too, that we have too many apartments in our community, that we are apartment city. I've heard that. Well, this is actually the the fact. The average vacancy rate at the end of the first quarter is 7.27. That's a very healthy vacancy rate as any of our property owners would would tell you. And as you can see, it is down from eight point eight and a quarter at the end of twenty twenty five. Also, your average rents, which you could understand as demand goes up from the lower vacancies, the the average rent is going up. It's now at $14.10. It was right about 14 at the end of the calendar year. So we are now seeing rents ticking back up.

12:53 – 13:15Speaker 7

If you looked at that that data that I showed from the from the permitting, we do have more complexes coming online probably in the next year or two. But we we do need to continue building more rental housing both market rate and affordable to meet the demand, especially because we continue to have concerns around the ability for our community members to purchase homes.

13:16Speaker 3

Councilman Rainey. Thank

13:18 – 13:39Speaker 9

you, madam president. To your very point, because I do get a lot of feedback on this in regards to, having too many apartments, that are going up. So the question I have specifically to the data that I'm looking at, I think you mentioned it already, but just for my clarity, where is the data being pulled from?

13:41Speaker 2

Sure. Oh, I did I

13:42 – 14:03Speaker 7

guess I didn't add that onto here. So I get my data from several different sources but for this particular data I get it from a company called Apartment Trends. The Apartment Association of Southern Colorado gives me that data or gives me their quarterly report every month, every quarter. And to keep the data consistent, I consistently use the same source.

14:03Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you.

14:05Speaker 2

You're very welcome.

14:08 – 14:46Speaker 7

That concludes the data portion of the presentation. This is really just one slide about what we're doing. Are you moving my just to kinda share a little bit more about what we're doing to to to help with this concerning data. And as you know, we advocate for all housing properties, especially the controversial ones to ensure that our decision makers have the facts about this data and the need for housing in our region. We also actively lead on policy changes, land use changes that can help us to build more housing, things like accessory dwelling units and such.

14:47 – 15:25Speaker 7

We, of course, create a lot of data, articles, messaging, talking points to share with our communities so that everyone else has that same information. We build media relationships. I wanna be the first call when the media has a question about data so that I can help fulfill and and share the facts around the housing issues we're having. And we host a lot well, we host several events to share all of the information around the need for housing in our community. As I mentioned, some of you attended our second state of housing event and we are hosting our first housing conference on October 1. It is called the

15:27Speaker 1

did I call it?

15:28 – 16:12Speaker 7

Housing Matters. Housing Matters Summit. And we have a really great housing advocate coming in. His name is Jim Hyde. I believe you've met him, council president. And he wrote a book about building small and it's a toolkit for for building in our community. He will be our keynote speaker. We'll have a couple breakouts and then we'll have a happy hour. So it will be a great afternoon and I hope you can join us for that. Lastly, we are just trying to build a huge list of housing champions in our region, and those are the folks I reach out to when there is a controversial project or a controversial policy issue to get them to also speak up and speak out loudly about why housing is needed.

16:12 – 16:39Speaker 7

And if you are interested in becoming a housing champion, you can click on that really cool QR code to the right there. I know you're anxious to do that. And with that, that ends my formal presentation and I'm happy to take any more questions you might have. And thank you so much for giving me the time today. I really appreciate being able to share the 2025 data with you. And I will try to reach out during the year to update you on all things housing.

16:39Speaker 3

Councilman Williams.

16:42Speaker 10

Thank you. Thank you for being here.

16:44Speaker 3

Good morning.

16:45Speaker 10

Even though you don't like your silly graph, I like your silly graph, the one that shows all of the housing and what's coming and what's not coming. Uh-huh. What I think would be interesting Go

16:56 – 17:28Speaker 10

Yeah. It'd be interesting to see, not starting at 2,005, but how much housing did we build in the eighties? This is like our community. How much did we build in the nineties? What was that trend line like? Because having lived here forever, I know it goes up, down, up, down, up, down, but it'd be interesting to see if it ever went down below 2000 and what that looked like and how we recovered because that's a drastic change on what the trend could have been for the previous twenty five years.

17:28Speaker 7

I I completely agree. PPR PPRPD only goes back twenty years, so I couldn't go back any further.

17:36Speaker 10

Maybe I'll bug the HBA and see if they have some number of thoughts or something. Somebody's gotta have a clue.

17:42Speaker 7

Yeah. That would be good

17:44Speaker 10

Right. It'd be interesting to see if that was a a trend and we were able to fill those houses up until the last twenty years.

17:52 – 18:14Speaker 7

Well, we're growing, and we just need to be ensuring that we are building everywhere in our community to meet the demand for all of the the community members who want to live all over the city close to their jobs and their schools. And so it's I it it is an interest I mean, I I would be interested in knowing, you know, just the the growth kinda information about about that piece.

18:14Speaker 10

Jackson, I'm lacking condos as you can see, and that's a great

18:18Speaker 10

get started and the

18:21Speaker 7

real estate equity on that policy issue with the state.

18:26Speaker 3

Anyone else? Councilman Risley.

18:28Speaker 12

Thank you, madam president. Hi, Jill. Thanks for being here.

18:31Speaker 7

Mister Potam,

18:32Speaker 2

this is you.

18:33 – 19:27Speaker 12

My my observation about this graph is similar to council member Williams. I think it's a really telling piece of information and equally interesting, not just the numbers, but if you look at the numbers relative to the proportion of population, meaning as we We go, now, you know, 2005 we probably were a city of maybe 300,000 people, three fifty, and now well over, well not well over, but over 500,000. And so I think again if you look at those numbers as a proportion or percentage of population, I think it tells an even more compelling story that we're building fewer houses now for a larger population than we were building twenty years ago for a smaller population. To her point about what that looks like in the past, you know, in 1985 or 1995, what was the population and what was the percentage of housing being built at that time?

19:27 – 19:43Speaker 7

Yeah, that's a good data point that I should try to figure out is like twenty years ago, what were the percentage of people owning versus renting to today? What is that same percentage? That's a loss for our community as people aren't putting down roots and building equity in our region.

19:43 – 19:56Speaker 12

Right. And I'd offer too that even though PPRPD doesn't have those building permit records available online, they certainly have them available if you go in and ask a person to do some research.

19:58Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjum. Thank you

20:00Speaker 8

Madam President. Jill, actually another graph you showed was the funnel graph. Could we Yes go to that

20:06Speaker 7

ma'am. There you go.

20:08 – 20:47Speaker 8

I recognize your organization is focused really strictly on the housing stock portion of the bigger challenges related to housing. But I think this is such an important one because while our builders are adapting and making those changes, that's fantastic. There's such a bigger context here that stock alone in my opinion is never going to address and that is there's some severe income inequality and people are really working hard just to keep the homes they have. We have more and more people who are homeless. I visited Crossfire Ministries grocery last week.

20:47 – 21:15Speaker 8

They're serving four fifty families a month who are coming to get groceries so that they hopefully can stay where they're living. So I'm glad that the shift is happening in the building. I think that's super important. But there are these other bigger contextual things that are happening in the world, in our country, in our economy. And then locally, just the concerns you mentioned, people kind of fearful of change.

21:16 – 21:52Speaker 8

And I think it's important that we educate folks and take all of that fear into consideration. And we also need to build in a way that takes into consideration the constraints in our region around water and some of the infrastructure challenges that we're facing as a city. So I think this is a really gnarly challenge and really do appreciate the work that you and your organization are doing. I just feel like it's important to name. While it's a very important part of addressing the challenge, it's not the only part. I

21:52 – 22:35Speaker 7

hear you councilwoman. There are of course other organizations that are part of just the housing continuum working on on all of these issues. And me just being a one man band, this this is my lane here. I will add that apartment properties use less than half the water as of single family homes, so they are always a good environmental choice. Absolutely. And of course, this this graph doesn't speak to the rental housing piece and and what we're building, but we are, of course, shifting to building more more rental housing because we need it in our community, and we're building more affordable housing too, which is very much needed. And there's always a need for more funding for that.

22:35Speaker 8

Thank you for your work.

22:36Speaker 3

Yes, ma'am. Councilman Casey.

22:39Speaker 5

Thank you, madam president. Could you go back to your previous chart? I think the one that we all like.

22:44Speaker 13

That one there.

22:46 – 23:05Speaker 5

Yes. Yeah. No. Just thought it would be interesting to see, you know, from 2005 to 2025 what the rise in construction costs look like, the rise in land costs look like. And are there any other factors that you think about other than just general affordability that might be driving what we see on the chart?

23:05 – 23:40Speaker 7

Yeah, that's a really good question. I can't really speak to where the if the land costs were a piece of it. That's something I'd I'd like to know though. I mean, it's I really try to focus on infill, trying to build more inside our existing city because it it costs the city less for infrastructure maintenance if you can can infill. However, those land costs are typically more than building on the edges of our city or to annex new land. So there are trade offs there. But you know, I'm gonna do a little research on that and see if I can at least maybe target a couple years in there to see what if there's any trends there. Thank you for that idea.

23:42 – 24:03Speaker 3

Thank you much for your presentation today. Was very it's always good to see this at least once or twice a year. I don't have a question, but to your point, the bigger problem is more of the regulation that's being passed down. It's not just we can't build affordable housing. The regulation that goes into it costs more money.

24:04 – 24:33Speaker 3

The construction defects is keeping half the younger people or even older people out of the market condos and townhouses were a starter home or a finisher home. All of the new changes with electrifying everything and being forced down is very expensive. So I think advocacy is probably the most important thing we can do right now just to get the ball rolling, which I know you do. I know you're up there all through the session. It's almost over.

24:34 – 25:03Speaker 3

Thank God. Today? Tomorrow? Yes. But having said that, the advocacy mean it's just I mean yes, there's a lot of things we can't do with inflation and that are gonna come and go and you know, we've got how many Fortune 500 companies leaving the state because of our regulations. So there goes some really good jobs that pay people a lot. So while I appreciate your efforts very much and I'm glad you will continue to do them, there's a lot more that goes into this than

25:04 – 25:33Speaker 7

aren't building affordable houses. That's exactly right. You should come work for me. There's actually an article in today's paper about a new bill that is now coming I'm sorry, that you now have to honor around hardening your homes and spending more on fire resistant materials on new new builds and any retrofitting of your homes. So I don't even pretend to know what that's gonna add to the cost of home building but it's not good.

25:33Speaker 3

Yep. Well thank you very much.

25:35Speaker 3

Moving on to item 6b. Will the clerk please read item 6b into the record?

25:42Speaker 4

Hay Neighbor presentation.

25:49Speaker 3

Good morning.

25:50 – 26:20Speaker 2

Kelly Hey, good morning. I'm Kelly Bull. I'm the executive director of Hey Neighbor, and we're working really hard to build social infrastructure and connection in our neighborhoods and throughout our city. And my goal today is to let you all know what we're up to at Hey Neighbor and how you can use us as a resource as council members and how you can refer constituents to us as a resource as well. So you may have known us previously as Kono.

26:20 – 26:47Speaker 2

And last year we went through a rebrand to really fit the direction that we are heading in and some changes that we've made. Our mission and our vision is the same. Our vision is that everybody loves their neighborhood. And the mission is to inspire neighbors to create vibrant communities. We do that through these three steps, making connections, building relationships, and creating change.

26:47 – 27:31Speaker 2

And we do this through primarily joy and fun. And we have found that you build stronger relationships, more resilient neighborhoods when neighbors first initially connect over fun. When you have thrown a beanbag back and forth at your neighborhood Cornell tournament before you actually got into the nitty gritty of problems in your neighborhood, we find that neighbors really respond better when they've built those relationships over the joy and the fun. And we're really working on being proactive towards problem solving and finding solutions and finding those upstream solutions. So a more connected neighborhood is a safer neighborhood.

27:31 – 28:07Speaker 2

It is a cleaner neighborhood. It's a more fun neighborhood to live in and more resilient when the neighbors know each other and they care for each other and they look out for each other. So some of our programs that we have that would be of interest to you is our Neighborhood University Program and our facilitator here is here, Amy Miller. And we have twelve weeks for this course. We meet in person two hours on a Wednesday night and neighbors come to learn about how the city works.

28:08 – 28:25Speaker 2

And each night a different specialist comes in to talk to the neighbors about the departments. So we have city planning. We've had, Kevin Walker has come in to talk about city planning. We've had development night. We have transportation night.

28:25 – 29:14Speaker 2

We have all sorts of facets of the city and neighbors get to learn a holistic understanding, comprehensive understanding of how the city works and how decisions are getting made and the intricacies of things so that they have a broader understanding. And so sometimes people come in with tunnel vision on an issue that they're really passionate about, and this course really helps them understand all the different facets at play and gives them a broader perspective on what's going on. So what we're doing is we are finding neighbors, giving them this understanding, giving them perspective, and giving them confidence in participating in the civic process and just truly understanding how things work.

29:14Speaker 3

Kelly, I have a comment or a question from Councilman Hanjem.

29:17 – 29:46Speaker 8

Yeah. Thank you, Madam President. Kelly, you know what a huge fan I am of the neighborhood university and hey neighbor generally, but I really can't say enough positive things about this program. And in particular, I want to highlight that council member Gold and I did this last week for the Historic Preservation Board. We interviewed six people out of, I don't know, eight or 12, I can't remember, quite a few applications.

29:47 – 30:21Speaker 8

And of those six, I'm confident that I remember two very specifically said that they went through Neighborhood University and found it to be incredibly helpful. There are people who are, and we recommended it to another candidate who mentioned that they really want to figure out how to plug into the city and this course is such a great way to do that. So I just think it's so fantastic and I wanted people to know that I think it's starting to yield. You've been doing it for about two or three years, no longer than that.

30:22Speaker 10

four years now.

30:23Speaker 2

Four and a half, yeah.

30:24 – 30:53Speaker 8

But I feel like you're reaching a bit of a tipping point in that sort of critical mass that's helping to create neighborhood leaders. And I just see so much positive coming from it even in most recently in the town hall I did for Papeton Cragmore and they have really really strong leadership in their neighborhood and are finding all kinds of positive connections with the city and just among themselves as neighbors. It's really fantastic.

30:53Speaker 14

Great, thank

30:53Speaker 8

you for that.

30:54Speaker 8

don't really have a question.

30:55Speaker 3

You. Councilman Gould.

30:58 – 31:41Speaker 7

Thank you, madam president. I also don't have a question. It's more of a comment. My apologies as I can't be there in present in person. I have a plumbing issue at home today that I'm trying to get taken care of, but I do wanna give my kudos to Hey Neighbor, especially Neighborhood University. I think the the education that's happening there is tremendously helpful to to residents so they can understand how our city operates and how they can be their own advocate and get change done. It's really empowering, and thank you just for the hard work. I want to make sure if I I'm not sure if I heard it, but if you mentioned the 150 tables that are project that's going to be happening this this summer, fall?

31:41 – 32:06Speaker 2

It's coming. I'll mention it in a minute. Thank you. And I'll mention also that Councilwoman Gold is a graduate of Neighborhood University as well. So and to show you what our NU alumni go on to do is this is actually the d three town hall that was hosted last month with councilwoman Williams.

32:06 – 32:57Speaker 2

And this is Dave Valancourt and he is he graduated from the last cohort of NU and he organized this town hall and facilitated and just did a fabulous job. And he didn't even know I was in the audience and he plugged Neighborhood University of everything that he had learned like five different times. So they're really going on to do be very passionate about the community and do great work to spread the information that they've learned in Neighborhood University as well. And here's just another testimonial of somebody who was very thankful for what they learned, but I'll move on for time. So the next step for our neighborhood university graduates is then they graduate and then they become a neighborhood leader.

32:57 – 33:46Speaker 2

And so what we're doing is we're building a network of neighborhood leaders, of more engaged citizens, more engaged neighbors who want to be part of the process, who want to be more involved. And with this network we are able to create more of an informational conduit where if you were trying to reach out to a neighborhood, you can reach out to us as council members to say, hey, I'd love to talk to this neighborhood. Do you have a neighborhood leader we could talk to? And we're there to then help match you up with a neighborhood leader that you can consult and get information about a certain area or to spread information to that neighborhood. So we're really trying to bridge this gap between the city and citizens and make information flow more freely and with neighbors who understand things on a broader level.

33:48Speaker 4

It's not moving. There we go.

33:51 – 34:34Speaker 2

So they sign up to be a neighborhood leader when they're done. We also You can also become a neighborhood leader as a more engaged neighbor in this program without doing neighborhood university, but neighborhood university is our preferred method to get you into being a neighborhood leader. We also have community coordinators. So these are our neighbor staff that you can reach out to as council members and neighbors can reach out to the community coordinators and we consider them like our community concierge. That if you don't know, if you have a dangerous intersection in your neighborhood and you have no idea what to do about it, you can call your community coordinator and they will start matching you up with the right person to talk to or tell you which department in the city to talk to.

34:34 – 34:53Speaker 2

So it's really when people have no idea where to start, these are a great place to start. They also help with supporting all of our programs with neighborhood university, with neighborhood gatherings that I'll tell you about in a minute. But these are really great connected folks in the community that you also can use as a resource.

34:53Speaker 3

Councilman Rainey.

34:54Speaker 9

Thank you, madam president. What's the difference between a community coordinator and a community leader?

34:59 – 35:32Speaker 2

Leader. Great question. So community coordinators are our paid Hey Neighbor staff. A neighborhood leader is more volunteer position that you are a neighborhood university graduate or you're a neighbor that wants to be more involved and you sign up with us as more of a volunteer position. And the community coordinators are kind of the main point for the neighborhood leaders. They help train them, they help connect them, they host events to help neighborhood leaders get together. So did that clear

35:32Speaker 9

it up? Yep, thank you.

35:33Speaker 3

Councilman Casey.

35:36 – 35:56Speaker 5

Thank you, Madam President. A quick question for you. Back when you were Cono, I think Cono had a role where they coordinated different homeowners associations and kept track of that and points of contact and that sort of thing, but I understood when you went to Hayden Neighbor that guess self ad admission kind of went away, is that the case?

35:56Speaker 2

Yeah, the Hey Neighbor no longer keeps track of that. It has moved on more to the city, to the Planning Department.

36:04Speaker 5

Okay, thank you.

36:08 – 36:33Speaker 2

Okay. This is a picture of one of our neighborhood leader. They do quarterly meetings of meetups to get together and talk about what's going on in their neighborhoods. It's often a lot of resource sharing that somebody will be having an issue in their neighborhood and they bring it up to the neighborhood leader group and then they'll talk about it and share resources. And just it's a great way to connect and get to know each other and have support.

36:34 – 37:06Speaker 2

A lot of times our neighborhood leaders feel like they're the only person in their neighborhood who cares about community anymore and it's kind of isolating. And when they meet each other and they find out there's other people all over the city who still care about community, it's really magical experience when they find each other. We also have a program of neighborhood gatherings. We were part of the Thousand Gatherings, the mayor's initiative. And one of our most powerful programs within neighborhood gatherings that would be great for you all to take advantage of is our Neighborhood Cafe.

37:06 – 37:44Speaker 2

And this is actually a picture of Councilwoman Gold's Neighborhood Cafe. It is a very low bar way to get people together and it's magical what has come out of these where the premise is if you get six or more of your neighbors together, the coffee's on us. And neighbors just get together and it is just very casual and building those connections. And at these cafes a lot of great things have come out of neighborhoods have then built their Facebook page or they have scheduled their cleanup. So just these very simple conversations leading to really powerful next steps.

37:47 – 38:09Speaker 2

We also help with block parties. So we help people with the permits for shutting down your road for a block party which is actually kind of difficult. So we help them navigate that. We rent out barricades, very cheap so it's safe to close your street down. We have toolkits to help people throw gatherings and kind of checklists to make it very easy.

38:11 – 38:38Speaker 2

So we've had them all over the city and we've been a really great resource for them. Cornhole tournaments. We also have these cornhole boards and it is amazing how a cornhole tournament brings people together. It is very simple throwing that beanbag back and forth, but it is powerful, the connections that have been made out of that. We're also doing planting parties where neighbors get together and they transform an entire front yard together.

38:39 – 39:15Speaker 2

This is happening in my neighborhood in Stratton Meadows and also a very powerful way to connect people. And then what Councilwoman Gold was talking about is our 150 Tables initiative. So this is kind of the next iteration of the Thousand Gatherings where we are bringing people together over a shared meal and inspiring other neighbors to host tables. So Hey Neighbor will be hosting our table celebrating National Good Neighbors Day on September 27. And then we're hoping there are a 149 other willing hosts out there to get people together all throughout the city.

39:15 – 39:33Speaker 2

So this would also be a great way for you guys to meet more constituents in your area if you were wanting to host a 150 tables gathering or if you'd like to be invited to one, I would love to invite you to other tables that are going on in your areas and your districts. Councilman Hincham.

39:33Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. Would you go back a slide, please? Sure.

39:37Speaker 2

Uh-huh. That's not it.

39:39Speaker 8

To your yeah. There you go.

39:41 – 40:16Speaker 8

You didn't mention this, but I would love it if you would talk about your own work. By the way, Kelly Bull is sits on our storm water advisory committee, so she's serving the city in that way as well. But you are very, very conscious of and are helping people with really planting water wise and a lot of sustainable kind of front yard plantings or whatever it might be. In fact, I believe you yourself have a passive stormwater project in your home. Could you just speak a little bit to that? Because I think people are so focused on water right now. Sure. It'd be great for you to mention Yeah.

40:16 – 40:54Speaker 2

My background is in permaculture landscape design and really water wise design. And so specifically in my neighborhood, I'm creating a neighborhood food forest where we're planting fruit cheese and berry bushes and herbs and pollinator plants. And all of it is watered with the roof water from a house. And so everything is very water wise, lots of native plants that don't take a lot of water. And so what we're trying to do in Stratton Meadows is become a demonstration site for other neighborhoods that you would be able to come and tour the houses, the yards that we've redone together as neighbors and then bring it to other neighborhoods as well.

40:55 – 41:09Speaker 2

So yeah, just very very passionate about the water water wise landscaping and improving our environment and making our yards more beautiful and bringing the neighbors together to do that.

41:09Speaker 8

Thank you, Kelly.

41:14 – 41:54Speaker 2

And then that's it. I wanted to leave time for questions in case you guys want to know more or and can let me know other ways that I can help. And then one thing I missed too is one of our goals also for our neighborhood leaders is to start joining more boards and commissions, and they are starting to do that. I've joined stormwater management. We have a current and new student right now who is joining Advisory Committee for PPACG, and another one who has joined the cleanup committee, the cleanup costs within the city.

41:54 – 42:25Speaker 2

So we're really working on getting citizens more engaged. So that's it. Oh, also, if you guys ever have news that you want spread to neighbors, we have a newsletter that goes out every month. I also encourage just signing up for it and reading it because it's always very positive about great things that are happening in our community. So we would love to get the news out if you are ever holding town halls or you would like to meet with your constituents that we would love to facilitate that and make that happen for you.

42:28 – 42:39Speaker 8

Yeah. Thank you. I'm just wondering, I'm looking at Michael. Michael, can we make sure that, are you on our press release list? Because that's when we announce town halls and that might be the easiest way to

42:40Speaker 8

So you are getting those notices? Yes. Okay, great, thanks.

42:44Speaker 2

I think that was all of it.

42:48Speaker 4

Was that the end?

42:49Speaker 2

Yep, okay. Any more questions?

42:53Speaker 3

I don't see any, thank you. Thank you. Moving on to item 6c. Will the clerk please read item 6c into the record?

43:07Speaker 4

Item 6c, Pikes Peak State College presentation.

43:17Speaker 3

Good morning Donna. Good morning.

43:19 – 43:30Speaker 11

She was tall. No. I'm not short. Thank you. I am and I have on heels.

43:30Speaker 9

Thank you. Jesus.

43:33 – 43:57Speaker 11

Alright. Alright. So good morning council president Crowe Iverson, pro tem, Risley, all of city council. Hi Sarah. Hi Wayne. Good to see everyone here. My name is Donna Nelson. I'm the Chief Advancement Officer for Pikes Peak State College Foundation. Also here with me is our college president, Doctor. Lance Bolton, who you will hear from shortly.

43:59 – 44:37Speaker 11

Thank you all for making time to hear from us this morning. We are here to give just a brief update on some of the things that we've done, some of our successes since we changed our name from Pikes Peak Community College to Pikes Peak State College. And like I said, this will be very brief because there are so many things that we have done in the past few years since we made our name change that I'm actually gonna try to schedule to come here maybe twice a year to update you on some of the things. So we're just gonna go over a few right now and we'll give you more later. Also well, we'll talk about that a little bit later.

44:37 – 45:15Speaker 11

So we're also gonna talk about a little bit about our Law Enforcement academy or LEA as we call it, which could serve as somewhat of a pipeline to help address the manpower issue with CSPD. We already work very closely with CSPD on different things. Some of our trainers or instructors come from CSPD as well as CSFD or Colorado Springs Police Department and our fire department work closely with us. And you guys, most of you guys know my close relationship with police and fire from my time at the city as well. So let's jump right in.

45:15 – 45:56Speaker 11

Let's see. Alright. So why did we change our name? As the saying goes, it's all in a name. What do you guys think of when you think of community college? Don't answer. Just think about it for a moment. When people think about a community college, they think that it's the place to go if you can't quite make it at a four year university or maybe something that is a little bit less than, not quite as prestigious or up to snuff. Pikes Peak State College is anything but that. And we are out to change that mission and what people think of when they think of community colleges or state colleges.

45:58 – 46:33Speaker 11

Big thing about changing our name is that we decided to offer bachelor degree programs. Because in community colleges they typically go up to associate's or two year degree programs. We decided to offer bachelor's degree programs. And if you are a student who graduates with a bachelor's degree or if you're an employer that's hiring someone that requires a bachelor's degree and you see that they got it from a community college, that may be confusing. So that was a big part of why we changed our name from Pikes Peak State College or from Pikes Peak Community College to Pikes Peak State College.

46:33 – 47:06Speaker 11

Also the level of work that we're doing at Pikes Peak State College is incredible. It is above what you normally think of. As a matter of fact, we are working right now with some of your council staff to schedule a tour for all of you to come to our 70,000 square foot state of the art medical simulation center. It is absolutely the best in the state and one of the best in the country. I guarantee you when you leave that facility you will not think anything less of us.

47:06 – 47:40Speaker 11

You will be quite amazed. Also changing our name helped to increase our enrollment at the college. We have enjoyed year after year for several years of double digit enrollment increases. To put that into perspective, about a four or 5% increase at any higher education organization is a big deal. Again, we've enjoyed back to back years of double digit increase.

47:40 – 48:06Speaker 11

We're set to have our highest graduation class ever this year. And we will also we also expect to be back at higher than pre pandemic levels next academic year. So we will be increasing well above what we were pre pandemic at the beginning of our academic year next year. We are on track to continue to grow. We're doing great things.

48:06 – 48:34Speaker 11

And so again that name change helped to increase our visibility, helped to increase people wanting to come to our college and it shows that it's working. Right now we have seven bachelor's degrees and I've just listed them there for you. Our flagship I like to say is our Bachelor of Science in Nursing or our BSN. You gotta know somebody to know somebody to get into that program. We're very proud of it.

48:34 – 49:07Speaker 11

Again it takes part at our simulation center. That place is so incredible that we have enjoyed up until this past year a one hundred percent first time pass rate of the NCLEX exam when they graduate for RNs. Last year there was one person who didn't quite make it but for four years in a row one hundred percent first time pass rate. The national average first time pass rate is about 70%. So again what we're doing is incredible at Pikes Peak State College.

49:07 – 49:26Speaker 11

Everything that we do is new. That is like that. Our dental center that opened last summer is a simulation center as well. Dentists who came to that ribbon cutting and saw what we have there were just floored. They couldn't believe the type of technology and simulation that we have at our dental clinic.

49:27 – 50:12Speaker 11

So we have dental assisting, dental hygienists and we're working on an even higher level of dental training there. We also started seeing patients at our dental facility. You can get a crown made same day with our three d printer for less than $100. So you get the best service, best quality at prices that go to scale based on what you can pay for. Our other bachelor's degrees are a BS in behavioral health, cyber security which is bursting at the scene, emergency service administration, early education advanced paramedic practitioner, and then our one of our newest and most popular business and business administration.

50:13 – 50:35Speaker 11

Were you about to ask a question? Okay, got it. So again we're not stopping with there, more to come. We're looking at some other bachelor's right now with I think it was electrical engineering that because engineering is bursting at the seams as well. These are these are offerings for careers that are in high demand in our community.

50:38 – 51:06Speaker 11

They match with the workforce needs of Colorado Springs and El Paso County. We know that being able to obtain a bachelor's degree at Pikes Peak State College makes higher education become in reach for many of those who thought they would never be able to obtain it. Because we're just a little bit less expensive than again your traditional four year universities. We're not trying to take the place. We complement our sisters and brothers that are four year universities.

51:07 – 51:46Speaker 11

Just over a third of our students are military or military affiliated And many of our students are first time generation as well as working adults or they are considered non traditional students. That means that they're age 25 and up. So a lot of them have families and they just simply need a lot of flexibility with being able to get the higher education that they want. I like to say that at Pikes Peak State College that we put people to work and we put people to work in careers that give, what do we call it, living wage. In careers that give them a living wage.

51:46 – 52:05Speaker 11

So we don't necessarily offer what I call the basket weaving degrees. Although you know weaving baskets is a good thing because I have a lot at home myself. But we offer degrees and programs in careers that count. Again careers that are gonna earn you a living wage. That's what we like to do.

52:05 – 52:37Speaker 11

That strengthens our community. A lot of times if you go out in the community and look at or look at the workers that have graduated from our college, they are mostly local students who stay local. That's a big deal. We are really the lifeblood of our working community in Colorado Springs and El Paso County. We're very proud of that being able to offer that to people wherever they are.

52:37 – 53:05Speaker 11

So you know everybody likes to say meet people where they are. We actually do that at Pikes Peak State College. We're very welcoming, we're open college. Our only programs that you have to qualify for are our medical campus programs, our RN program because it is quite competitive. So I will bring up our president, Doctor. Lance Bolton, to go into some of our awards and talk about our leadership.

53:05Speaker 3

I do have a question from I'm

53:06Speaker 11

also Council Member working the Academy. Yes.

53:09 – 53:27Speaker 5

Thank you, madam president. Now you asked earlier about what we thought about when we heard the word community college. I thought about affordable and responsive to local industry workforce needs, so you've kind of explained why you're responsive to local workforce needs. But what about affordability? Has fees, tuition, things like that gone up with the transition from a community college to a state college?

53:28Speaker 11

I don't know that they've gone up since then. I know since I've been there, they haven't. Doctor. Bolton can tell you that.

53:33 – 53:45Speaker 5

Okay. And the other part, just more of a comment, my dental hygienist is affiliated with the program that you have there, and she said the equipment is so good there, sometimes people graduate and have to kind of learn new equipment when they go to actual dental office because they use older equipment.

53:45Speaker 11

Yeah, they're like what is this?

53:49 – 54:23Speaker 16

Councilman, I'll help with question about affordability just a little bit. The answer to your question is tuition tends to go up a little bit every year because cost of living and operations go up a little bit every year. We want to be able to offer raises to our employees, that kind of thing. So I would say three to 5% typically in a year and the cost of attending Pikes Peak is still well below the amount that is awarded through a Pell Grant. Most half of our students attend using Pell Grants and that's kind of a markup you're below or near the federal poverty line.

54:23 – 54:37Speaker 16

And so we wanna make sure that students who are really low income always have the ability to attend Pikes Peak. We pay very close attention to keeping the cost of attendance below the Pell grant award amount.

54:38 – 55:08Speaker 16

You're welcome. Well, hey, counsel, thank you for having us today. I really appreciate the opportunity to chat with you. Some of you, Councilman Williams, know a lot about Pikes Peak State College. Others of you might just be learning a lot today. So just an opportunity to to engage with you. I wanna start with an invitation. Our commencement ceremony is Saturday. You've all been invited to We would love to have you. So here's a little information about Pikes Peak that I think just starts with startling people about the impact we have in our community.

55:09 – 55:43Speaker 16

This year, for the first time since 2019, 2020, when the pandemic hit, we will award more than 4,000 degrees and certificates in our community. So when Donna talks about the impact of our college and workforce, anywhere you go in the Pikes Peak region, you're going to run into our graduates. This is really the fuel that runs our economy here. We have to have trained workers and over 4,000 of them are leaving Pikes Peak State College and going into the workforce this year. Such major impact and we're really proud of that.

55:43 – 56:23Speaker 16

So if you can make it 10:00 Saturday morning, we serve breakfast, we would love to have you. Brandi used to be part of the stage team with me and we always appreciated that. If you have never been to a community college graduation, you have never experienced the pure joy of first generation students, young people, middle aged people, older people, people standing up and cheering for their grandparents who are finally getting that college degree. It is a day of, I'm not kidding, unbridled joy. My face will be sore for weeks from smiling so much that day, and we would love love to have you experience what that's about if you could join us.

56:23 – 56:43Speaker 16

Pikes Peak has been recognized quite a bit with national awards, and I just wanna talk about a couple of these if I can. Hopefully I get this right. Just this year, a few months ago, we were recognized with the Bellwether Innovation Award. And this is a national award. Community colleges all over the nation compete for the Bellwether Award.

56:43 – 57:12Speaker 16

We were chosen as one of 10 finalists and invited to San Antonio to present where we were left with the showcase award for that and we are really proud of that. And the award we received there was for the D2 Promise program. Do any of you know about D2 Promise program? So if you don't, this is the only program of its kind in the nation. It is the nation's only publicly funded first dollar promise program.

57:12 – 57:35Speaker 16

So 85% of the young people coming out of Harrison School District two are Pell eligible. If they are Pell eligible, they get a Pell grant. It's about $7,000 a year, $7,500 a year to be specific. They come to Pikes Peak State College. They keep that $7,500 because district two pays their tuition and fees to come to Pikes Peak State College.

57:35 – 58:08Speaker 16

This tripled the college going rates out of Harrison School District two, and we have moved the fall to fall retention rates for those young people from 40% fall to fall staying in college to 80% fall to fall staying in college. So people have often wrung their hands about what do we do to help help District two and to help low income families there? Get them into college, make it affordable, take care of them when they get to college, and get them to graduation. That's what you do to change their lives, and that's what we are doing. So we won a Bellwether National Award for that program.

58:08 – 58:47Speaker 16

It is an extraordinary program. Our partners in District two, I would be remiss not to mention Superintendent Burhansel, was last year the Superintendent of the Year in Colorado, is an amazing partner and together through this partnership, we're doing extraordinary things for kids in District two. We've also recently been recognized with a HEAT Award, Higher Education Excellence in Diversity Award. Also, were recognized one of the best places to work in community colleges through the same organization. And all of these awards and more really point to the national level of excellence at Pikes Peak State College.

58:47 – 59:21Speaker 16

For those of us locally who just start to drop by the building and the building looks same every time I go by, nothing really changes. You think, well, it's just there's nothing happening there and there's so much happening there. But yes indeed, as you drive by it does typically mostly look the same, although we do finally have our Pikes Peak State College signs up in place of our old name. I'll just recognize one other award that I wanted to mention. We won a national gold award for a best marketing campaign for a campaign for a promise program for First Nations.

59:21 – 59:53Speaker 16

So it's called First Nations Promise Program. Native American students can come to Pikes Peak State College and they're guaranteed that their tuition and fees are covered. We think this is particularly important for Native American students because of the damage and harm done through the name of education to Native communities, through boarding schools and things like this, enormous breaches of trust. Local, locally, in Colorado Springs, Native American students have a fifty five percent high school graduation rate. We should be concerned about this.

59:54 – 1:00:14Speaker 16

In our neck of the woods, we're trying to do what we can. Oh, I'm so sorry. I have a plumber at my house just like Councilman Gold. It's that day. But we felt really important to do what we could in our local community to help bridge that gap and build trust with the Native American community and education.

1:00:15Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjum.

1:00:16 – 1:00:41Speaker 8

Thank you, Madam President. And Lance, thank you for being here. I imagine you're going to get to this just by looking at the next slide. I do want to hear the rest of what you have to say, but what you're sharing right now just prompts for me kind of a comment, and maybe you can incorporate it in the rest of your slides. By the way, I had no idea about the Bellwether Award and what you're doing there with District two.

1:00:41 – 1:01:14Speaker 8

Thank you. That's fantastic work. Really appreciate that. And this question about what is a community college or what comes to mind. My next door neighbor is a professor actually retiring from Colorado College, and I see nationally liberal arts colleges are struggling really to, they're losing enrollment, they're getting more and more expensive, students graduating or having a hard time finding jobs, and some of it related to AI and just other changes.

1:01:14 – 1:02:07Speaker 8

But what I love about what you're doing, and you're gonna show another program here, just the real practical preparing people for real time jobs that they can earn a living in, which is, excuse me, I think fantastic. I think we are in the middle of a big conversation about our educational institutions, what they're for, why do they exist, how do they operate, and those shifts are happening, and clearly you're adapting to those. But if you have any thoughts on that kind of broadly and impacts of AI and liberal arts colleges as you continue Oh, know, and the other question I was gonna ask was, I know that you have programs that connect high school work into programs that you have as well at the college. If you could speak to those if they're not on the slides.

1:02:07 – 1:02:48Speaker 16

Sure, yeah. That was a lot. We could go for a long time on all that. I'll say we're working a lot with AI. I was just an invited speaker at the sort of the National Higher Ed Tech Conference, which is called ASU GSV out in San Diego. We've moved past wringing our hands about what we're gonna do about AI and really embracing it as a way to increase engagement with students. We think that's really important. We know employers want those skills when students are coming out of our college, so we're working hard at that. With respect to concurrent enrollment, about 20% of our enrollment at Pikes Peak State College is concurrent enrollment. Those are students who are still in high school, taking college level classes.

1:02:49 – 1:03:25Speaker 16

We do a lot of that on our campus because a lot of it is what we call CTE focused, career and tech ed focused, so it is hands on programs like auto tech, healthcare programs, culinary arts, that kind of thing. And as Donna alluded to, we have a huge effort going on around ensuring that every program at Pikes Peak State College students graduate and have access to living wage jobs. We use the MIT calculator for living wage jobs. We peg it at about $48,000 for a single person in Colorado Springs. If program is not getting students to a living wage job, we're not gonna continue to have that program.

1:03:26 – 1:04:05Speaker 16

So we're really focused on this living wage jobs as a way of ensuring the students' investment in their education pays off for them and their families. You bet. Just gonna talk real quickly about the Pikes Peak Law Enforcement Academy, and I just wanna say so the same comments also are related to and apply to our fire science program. So we've had this program for many, many years. The students coming out of the Pikes Peak Law Enforcement Academy are going to work for police departments all over the state, but they're not going to work very often in Colorado Springs, which is troubling to us.

1:04:06 – 1:04:45Speaker 16

Colorado Springs has really high wages for the police department relative to especially some of the smaller departments that they go to. I'll say we have a 100% placement of our students, but again, there's a challenge around getting enough students and opportunities in Colorado Springs. And so we continue to press forward with this that we believe we have a really high quality program. We know that students coming through our program also have to do the training with the Colorado Springs Police Department. We have no problem with that and neither do many of our students because that's a paid position when you're in the training academy with the Colorado Springs Police Department.

1:04:45 – 1:05:26Speaker 16

What I would say about both Fire Science and the Pikes Peak State College Law Enforcement Academy is that number one, they provide a pipeline of employees to the city, and number two, for those who want the police department and the fire department to look more like the citizens that they're serving, this is the opportunity because our programs are very diverse. Many, many of our students in both Fire Science and Law Enforcement Academy are coming out of the Army into these programs, and so they're really terrific people to hire. And unlike recruiting police officers and firefighters from around the country, ours will stay here. They're from here. They're looking to stay here.

1:05:26 – 1:05:56Speaker 16

They're looking for jobs here, and there's an opportunity, I think, for us to build this relationship and make it stronger. And so just a few things looking forward. Again, Pikes Peak's very focused on the workforce needs of our community. Donna mentioned it, but I just wanna say in the last two years, we've started seven engineering programs at Pikes Peak. We have the state's only associate degree in aerospace engineering, so we're really proud of that.

1:05:56 – 1:06:30Speaker 16

We think that's really important to our local community. We work really closely with a lot of our tech community, really closely with healthcare community as well, and we continue to look for ways to better serve our community and ensure the programs we have align with the workforce needs here. And that goes for the city as well. We think that there are a lot of employment opportunities, and if there are things that we could do to better position Pikes Peak students coming out of our programs to be hired into fire fire department, police department, we would be eager to do those things, and that that's what we have.

1:06:30Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjem.

1:06:32 – 1:06:48Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. Actually, Lance, on that last slide and just the opportunities to work with the city, I'm gonna ask our chief of staff if he would, like to comment on how we might, continue or engage in conversations with the State College on those opportunities.

1:06:48Speaker 13

We are always happy to have those conversations. I know that our police department is working on some different options and happy to have those discussions with you as we go forward.

1:06:58 – 1:07:09Speaker 16

Sure. And sorry, I was gonna have to say we've had a lot of those conversations. I'm happy to continue, but would love to see more action following some of those conversations.

1:07:11Speaker 13

Well, I am new, so I can't speak for what's happened in all of the conversations before, but I am happy to engage with you going forward.

1:07:20Speaker 16

I think that's an Elvis song, but I won't do it.

1:07:24Speaker 3

Councilman Risley.

1:07:26 – 1:07:56Speaker 12

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you both for being here and for your comments today. I don't really have any questions, but just wanted to make a couple of comments myself. First, my company is proud to employ several Pikes Peak State College graduates, The folks that we've seen come out of the architecture and design programs have been really high caliber and really great quality and I would say equal quality or caliber with folks that come from four year and even master's degree programs. So thank you for putting out some really excellent students.

1:07:57 – 1:08:43Speaker 12

We also had an individual more seasoned who used to be a professor at Pikes Peak Community College and had always great things to say about culture, the work environment, and sort of just the overall sort of tenor, I suppose, of the community there at the school. So thank you for all of that. I just want to quickly, and you've mentioned this before so I'm not going to belabor the point, but I just want to really underscore a comment, Donna, that you made that enrollment will achieve pre pandemic or exceed pre pandemic levels here coming up. And I think that's really important because going back to some of the comments from Councilmember Hengjem, I think that underscores the relevancy of the programs. It underscores the fact that you understand how to stitch together workforce development and work collaboratively with the K-twelve community.

1:08:43 – 1:08:55Speaker 12

You've maintained relevancy in a way that a lot of higher education institutions just have not. And so, again, you should be commended for that and thank you for your presentation. Thank you.

1:08:55Speaker 3

Councilman Rainey.

1:08:58 – 1:09:14Speaker 9

Thank you, Madam President and Doctor. Bolton, thank you both for being here. I know we've had tremendous amount of conversations over the last several months, specifically about the law enforcement pipeline. It's no secret. I'm a huge advocate for it.

1:09:15 – 1:09:57Speaker 9

And to our chief of staff, I will be having, deeper conversations with you about that also. I've had those conversations with the chief of police, and, not only am I a advocate for it, it makes sense. What I don't like personally is when I hear people complain about manpower and we have something at our fingertips, something that's homegrown, something that contributes directly to the workforce right here in Colorado Springs. So I think that there was something there for us to leverage. Now granted, I'm quite sure we have to get through all the nuances of, you know, what does it mean to go through the academy, what does it mean to become a sworn officer, so forth, in correlation with your program?

1:09:57 – 1:10:18Speaker 9

But to me, you you definitely leverage and you lean in on that. So thank you very much for being advocates for that program. I will continue to be an advocate for that program, because we have a manpower issue and I think this can actually help resolve that issue. And I go back to your comment in your slide presentation and I do love it. It's actually up right now.

1:10:18 – 1:10:45Speaker 9

City's workforce needs, and I can't emphasize that enough, homegrown talent, keeping the talent here to contribute right to our city needs. So continue doing what you're doing with your leadership. And the last thing I wanna say is I love how when you mentioned the graduation attendance, which of course I'll be there this weekend, you said 4,000 degrees, correct?

1:10:46 – 1:11:04Speaker 9

And I go back again and maybe I'm just in a happy go lucky mood these days. 4,000 degrees in graduation right now. Right across the street, another thousand from the Air Force Academy and from other institutes in this area. Boy, we are awesome ass city. I'm sorry.

1:11:04Speaker 4

I just gotta say it.

1:11:05 – 1:11:29Speaker 9

We are awesome, and we're doing some great things. And I love seeing leadership like yours out in our great city doing great things with great students. I actually have a couple of students at in in my business from Pikes Peak State College and you guys are doing great things. Continue to do it and I look forward to continuing to build a relationship specifically to this law enforcement pipeline. So thank you.

1:11:31 – 1:11:46Speaker 16

Council president, may I Yes. Councilman Rainey, we were remiss in not starting with a huge thank you and gratitude to you for the invitation to be here and for the ongoing conversations. Much appreciated.

1:11:46Speaker 17

In the newsletter.

1:11:48Speaker 16

In the newsletter, yes. We have a Pikes Peak State College newsletter that you're hopefully all receiving that was inspired by a conversation with Councilman Rainey.

1:11:58Speaker 3

Councilman Williams.

1:12:01Speaker 10

Thank you, President Crowe Iverson. I should have this memorized, Doctor. Bolton, but I don't. So what year did you start as president of the now State College?

1:12:12Speaker 16

2011. This is Oh my fifteen years. Oh, was when It I

1:12:17 – 1:12:49Speaker 10

was very interesting. It's amazing for you to have this much inertia for fifteen years. Like that is impressive that you wake up every day and I can say it's with the same amount of energy you had fifteen years ago when we first met. So we are all a benefit to that. If you could figure out how to bottle that and sell that and give it to all of us, I think we could all then elevate the entire community.

1:12:49 – 1:13:16Speaker 10

But what you have done and the legacy that you have built is going to go on for generations. And you're getting those 4,000 graduates, you're giving back to the community, you're making people proud, and as Kelly said, there's joy and they're smiling. I mean, you're creating a whole new world and a whole new pipeline right here. And I definitely can't thank you enough. I'm not gonna ask too many questions.

1:13:16 – 1:13:46Speaker 10

I had nine years to ask Doctor. Bolton questions because he made me a redshirt year. He didn't let me leave during COVID so I had to stay on the Advisory Council a little bit longer which I greatly appreciated. And Donna, I'm glad you're part of the team now too and all I really have to say is keep up the good work and it's very admirable what you are both doing and especially your energy and passion year after year after year. So thank you.

1:13:47Speaker 16

Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate the kind and affirming words.

1:13:53 – 1:14:33Speaker 3

And I echo everything my colleagues have said to hear today over the course of years of just watching it go from the community college college. I actually started in a community college, so of course I am very, passionate about that path forward. And now seeing an RN BSN in one school would have been nice, but I did have to go to the university and and finish off to that to that regard. I still have my toe in the medical field a little bit, and I can tell you that your nurses by far are exceed expectations from any nurses of any schools in the state. They pass their boards first time around.

1:14:33 – 1:14:45Speaker 3

They're critical thinkers. They're very smart. They're very engaged. And so that is just, because of your leadership in the program you've put together. I have been through your dental hygiene program on a tour, and it was amazing.

1:14:46 – 1:15:23Speaker 3

Anyone went would love to have those types of learning tech labs. It they're you're right. When you go to the dentist, they're probably like, I don't know how to use this equipment because it is fantastic and that just shows what you put into your students so that they really are good students. When they go out into our community and they provide health care services and other to the community, they're getting the best service that they can get which is an attribute to your forward thinking. I think it was just a couple weeks ago I did see some data and I'm not sure if it was Tatiana Bailey's report or one of the economists that said in the next five to ten years universities will close by 50%.

1:15:23 – 1:15:44Speaker 3

And because of your leadership and forethought, I think it's really going to you're not just gonna come out of the the pandemic with numbers. I think it's it's going to be much stronger numbers because of that because, you know, things have changed. People do need their kids to get a job. They are looking for affordability. They're looking for just the things you talked about.

1:15:44 – 1:16:16Speaker 3

So and that's that's really to your foresight and thinking forward not knowing the pandemic, what it would do, not knowing what we know today. So that that's all to your leadership, and I stay in touch with Donna frequently on the students and helping kids mentor which way they wanna go and the career pathways and whatnot up to my it's their decision. But thank you so much for the presentation and what you adorn our community because it really is making a difference, especially in District 2. I've watched that program from the beginning and it's exceptional. So thank you both so much for coming today.

1:16:16Speaker 16

Thank you. You're welcome. We appreciate your time.

1:16:22Speaker 3

Moving on to item 7a. Will the clerk please read item 7a into the record?

1:16:26Speaker 4

Agenda planner review.

1:16:28 – 1:16:39Speaker 3

Does anyone have any questions or changes to the agenda planner? Seeing none, for the record there are none. Moving on to item 8A.

1:16:42Speaker 4

So 8A through D will be one presentation, so I'll read them all in.

1:16:47 – 1:17:40Speaker 4

8A, resolution authorizing the acquisition of approximately 40 acres. West CMSV Parcel 1 is an addition to the Cheyenne Mountain State Park through the trails open space and parks program. 8b, ordinance requesting a supplemental appropriation to the trails open space and parks fund up 262,000 to complete acquisition of approximately 40 acres of property identified as Parcel 1 West CMSP extension for the purpose of public open space and trails. You can see a resolution authorizing the acquisition of approximately 40 acres West CMSP Parcel 2 as an addition to the Sean Mountain State Park through the TOPS program eight d, an ordinance requesting a supplemental appropriation to the trails open space and parks fund of up 262,000 to complete the acquisition of approximately 40 acres of property identified as Parcel 2 West CSMP extension for the purpose of public open space and trails.

1:17:41Speaker 3

Good morning, David.

1:17:42 – 1:18:17Speaker 15

Good morning, president Creel Iverson, president Pro Tem Risley, members of the city council. You for the opportunity to share these two parcels for acquisition and to consider them all in this one presentation. So I appreciate that opportunity. So I'm here today to introduce the idea of this acquisition for two forty acre parcels into our TOPS program and for the expansion of Cheyenne Mountain State Park. Just a little bit of background here I wanna introduce that our park system master plan from 2014 remains our guiding document as we look for these opportunities with open space expansion.

1:18:17 – 1:18:57Speaker 15

On a side note, we are wrapping up our new updated master plan and you'll see that here in the coming months. But we still continue to move forward with this recommendation to expand gaps in our open space network, to continue to pursue opportunities for partnership, and really focusing in on these target areas primarily on this presentation in the Rock Creek area. So on this map, this is our 2014 Park System Master Plan candidate area open space map. And the Rock Creek Canyon area shown on that star on the very Southwest Side of Colorado Springs adjacent to Cheyenne Mountain State Park and the Air Force I'm sorry, the Space Force Station and Fort Carson. A little bit more history on Cheyenne Mountain State Park.

1:18:57 – 1:19:36Speaker 15

The original acquisition in 2000 was a partnership between our TOPS program and the state of Colorado with about 60% ownership by the city of Colorado Springs. Through that partnership, the city provided funds to acquire our portion of the property and then the state park agreed to manage and maintain that land. So it was a really great opportunity to utilize the funds for a TOPS program and then have the state manage those properties. More recently, back in the late fall of twenty twenty five, you saw before you an acquisition of a 130 acres. That was a similar approach where the city acquired through our TOPS program and incorporated an additional portion of that acreage into the state park.

1:19:36 – 1:20:09Speaker 15

And that partnership was about a 490 acre acquisition between the state and the city. And the the state has continued to confirm their willingness to engage in these MOUs updates to maintain and manage those properties as they brought into the state park itself, and this is no exception to that. So a little bit more focusing on our area. This map reflects the Cheyenne Mountain State Park as well as our Fishers Canyon open space on the Southwest Side of Colorado Springs. Highway 115 runs on that right side of the image more or less north south.

1:20:10 – 1:20:38Speaker 15

And then there's two different colors of green highlighted between state ownership of the state park and then the tops ownership in that area along Cheyenne Mountain itself. So we're looking at two individual 40 acre parcels both owned by two separate families. They contacted us after hearing news of the expansion in the fall of twenty twenty five. And so it's a great opportunity to expand and enhance the state park through this assemblage of property. It's adjacent to Cheyenne Mountain State Sports Station as well as Fort Carson.

1:20:38 – 1:21:11Speaker 15

And it provides for this opportunity with additional connectivity which I'll highlight here in a moment. Through our TOPS program, we had the opportunity to evaluate the land. And in that, there were several characteristics that came forward, and you can see them listed here between wildlife habitat and those corridors, water resources, significant vegetation, the scenic quality, open space linkage, this passive recreational opportunity, and our opportunity for the partnership. This photo represents our TOPS working committee on tour. Hiking out to those properties, it was a pretty rugged day.

1:21:11 – 1:21:56Speaker 15

But just to show the characteristic and the really unique beauty that this area provides. I mentioned the connectivity opportunities and this is a vision plan that has been in the works for the better part of fifteen years as we look to expand Cheyenne Mountain State Park in the Rock Creek area. This idea of the Cheyenne Mountain Heritage Trail which encompasses a trail around Cheyenne Mountain itself, estimated about 30 miles, two thirds of which are already existing today. The idea comes from really the legacy trails from Spencer Penrose when he had bridal trails that provided opportunities for guests to Broadmoor to go horseback riding around the area. This is an opportunity to really connect the Rock Creek portion on the Southern Side Of Cheyenne Mountain to existing trails on that loop.

1:21:56 – 1:22:28Speaker 15

The idea too is it provides a figure opportunity with the Fisher Canyon plan that we have recommended from last year as well as this is a side spur to the Ring Of The Peak trail system that is actively in discussion with our community. So of the two properties, this is our first one. This is parcel one identified here in the orange highlight. It's on the south side adjacent to Rock Creek Canyon Road. It serves as, again, that mountain backdrop, trail connection opportunities, wildlife habitat, those regional partnerships from our TOPS program.

1:22:29 – 1:22:42Speaker 15

We are under contract with the owner subject to the approval of city council for the appraised value of a $160,000. Two photographs to represent a little bit more of that area in context. The first one on that left hand side.

1:22:42Speaker 16

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1:22:44Speaker 15

back a portion of the four. This is taken from

1:22:47Speaker 12

the South Side of

1:22:48Speaker 9

Rock Creek and 10. Hello, hello.

1:22:49 – 1:23:13Speaker 15

The summit of Cheyenne Mountains Yes. That rocky crab high point in the image. And then a photo from the property itself with just the the vegetation to show you that ruggedness. Our second parcel, again, another 40 acre property property higher up on that mountainside, has similar characteristics for those opportunities. We're also under contract with this property subject to city council for that approval.

1:23:13 – 1:23:37Speaker 15

And it too was appraised for a $160,000. And as we show a photograph again from the South Side Of Cheyenne of Rock Creek looking to the north, property is highlighted in that color swath. The Shine Mountain Peak the top of Shine Mountain is shown in that rocky crag on the right hand side. And then the other point of reference, if you're familiar with this area enough, the Dixon Trail actually comes pretty close to this location.

1:23:37Speaker 4

Councilman Hinjem. Thank you, madam president.

1:23:40 – 1:23:56Speaker 8

Can you go back a slide, David? Yes. I don't know if you know the answer to this question, but the property just to the east of the property that's not owned by the park or the city. And there's little little tiny pieces there. Do you can you do you know who the owner of that property is?

1:23:56 – 1:24:13Speaker 15

We do. So over the years, we've had the opportunity to expand this portion of the property back in the 2007, 2008 time frame, And then in really the 2018 to 2021, we've picked up several smaller properties. That 80 acre parcel, is just to the right of the orange color

1:24:13 – 1:24:29Speaker 15

Is privately held by an individual here in Colorado Springs. We worked with them several years ago. They were not interested to sell the land, but they did provide a seven acre trail easement for the Dixon Trail. And that Dixon Trail alignment is approximated in that white line that cuts that corner.

1:24:29Speaker 8

The very top corner. Yep.

1:24:30 – 1:24:55Speaker 15

And then there's a series of privately held properties ranging from anywhere from two acres to the 80 acres. That little network there was a leftover remnant subdivision from many years ago and there are a couple properties that are owned by the federal government that we've researched and haven't found much information on other than that they're identified as federally owned. And then there are some private properties in that area.

1:24:55Speaker 8

Okay. And do you have any idea what they what plans they have for that property or

1:25:02 – 1:25:39Speaker 15

The short answer is no. We've talked to several of them. Again, a lot of them have come forward to promote their property and to sell it to the TOPS program for preservation and conservation. The property that is just north of that yellow box, we actually did a site tour with that family member who was part of the heirs to the Dixon family which owned homesteading on top of the mountain. And so we took them out, toured the property, said that we were willing to continue a conversation if they're interested. And he said, no, I'd like to hang on to it more as a part of our family history. And so if and when they're willing to sell, we'd be able to talk to them.

1:25:39Speaker 3

Great. Thanks. Councilman Lineweber and he's online.

1:25:45 – 1:26:03Speaker 6

Hey, thank you. I guess my questions are kind of just similar you know because I'm looking at those infill properties that are to the right of what you've just highlighted. You just stated, just to make sure I got that right, those are owned by some government entity?

1:26:04 – 1:26:30Speaker 15

The vast majority of those to the right of that yellow highlighted property are privately held. And then there are sections of these smaller subdivisions that are identified in there that identify as US government. But through our research and our previous employees that have worked in this area, we're unable to identify points of contact. And so it's an element that we need to continue to research.

1:26:33 – 1:26:49Speaker 6

Okay. Yeah. It's just anything to kinda make something like that whole, and then we're also, you know, gonna landlock those properties. So will they retain any kind of access rights or anything like that, or do they have anything like that?

1:26:49Speaker 15

I don't know if I can speak to that behalf right now. I can certainly get that answer for you if you would like.

1:26:57 – 1:27:12Speaker 6

Yeah. I'm just curious about that because it could could change the value of the property if they don't if they don't if they haven't maintained some kind of access right away, it be interesting. Okay. Thank you.

1:27:13 – 1:27:35Speaker 15

Okay. I'll continue on. So I'll finish talking about this photograph showing that property. As we look into our funding, again, we are here on behalf of the TOPS program to incorporate this through the TOPS program funded by the open space category. And so right now through the end of twenty twenty five, our estimated balance was just over $10,400,000.

1:27:35 – 1:28:01Speaker 15

Additional revenue from quarter one in twenty twenty six saw $1,300,000, And then we hold a 10% reserve on that. So available funding specific for open space acquisition is $10,600,000. So just to highlight, this is dedicated funding just for the acquisition. Again, we continue to move forward with the agreement, Cheyenne Mountain State Park about maintenance and management of those properties. So we envision that it would be part of the state's responsibility.

1:28:02 – 1:28:36Speaker 15

A highlight of our timeline represents presentations to our TOPS working committee and our Parks Advisory Board in April. Last week, we had a vote for recommendation from our TOPS working committee, a five to zero vote. Those five represent those that were able to join us on that tour and who could officially vote on the recommendation. We will be at Parks Board this Thursday seeking their recommendation to council and then here today for an item of introduction, and then plan on returning for the city council regular work sesh regular sessions here in May and June. With all this going well, we do anticipate a closing by the end of third quarter.

1:28:36 – 1:29:03Speaker 15

So as mentioned, there are four different readings. We have the supplemental appropriation request for a $162,000. That is the purchase price plus the closing cost for parcel one. We have the resolution for authorizing the acquisition. And then parcel two represents the very similar language for a $162,000 to incorporate the purchase price plus the closing cost and then resolution for acquisition.

1:29:04 – 1:29:22Speaker 15

With that, I will leave you with this last image taken from the top of Shine Mountain looking back towards the Rock Creek area. And both the properties are visible in the the right hand side of this image. But just as a point of reference, the incredible beauty that this valley holds and the rugged remoteness that it's also encompassed. With that, thank you for the opportunity.

1:29:24Speaker 3

Thank you. I don't see any more questions at this time.

1:29:27Speaker 15

Okay. And if I may request, could it be considered for consent or would you like us to bring this forward for new business?

1:29:39Speaker 15

Thank you so much.

1:29:39Speaker 3

Thank you. Moving on to item eight e. Will the clerk please read item eight e and eight f into the record?

1:29:49 – 1:30:15Speaker 4

Eight e, an ordinance admitting article one administration and repealing article four urban forest of chapter four parks recreation and cultural services of the code of the city of Colorado Springs 2001 as amended pertaining to urban forest Eight f, an ordinance creating a new article nine urban forest of chapter three public property and public works of this of the code of the city of Colorado Springs 2001 as amended pertaining to urban forest and providing penalties for violations thereof.

1:30:21Speaker 3

Good morning.

1:30:22 – 1:30:43Speaker 17

Hello. Good morning, president Crowe Iverson, president Pro Tem Risley, and members of council. My name is Matthew Puckett, and I am the City Forester with Public Works. So thank you for having me this morning. I will be covering both the amendments to Article I and the ordinance creating new Article IX, Urban Forest, that's on the agenda within this presentation.

1:30:44 – 1:31:21Speaker 17

Before I begin, I want to note that I received word late last week that our prosecution division has identified some necessary changes to the proposed forestry ordinance. I have not yet received that finalized document outlining those revisions, but it appears that the issues are manageable and relatively minor. So just wanted to preface it with that. So today I'll be walking you through the recodification and the operational responsibilities connected to these updates. I want to begin by emphasizing that the changes we're proposing today is how we already operate.

1:31:21 – 1:32:03Speaker 17

Our current urban forest ordinance was originally written in 1968 and it was revised in 1980 to establish the street tree program and has had a handful of minor updates since then, but it has never had a comprehensive modernization. So that is here what I'm bringing forward to you today is the first modernization in about sixty years of our proposed ordinance changes. I'm gonna start with just the background details. I want to briefly outline who City Forestry is. Forestry is one of the few divisions within the city that have legally codified responsibilities for both maintenance and enforcement.

1:32:04 – 1:32:33Speaker 17

We are required to maintain public trees. We accomplish this through a combination of internal crews and contracted tree care companies. We also have staff foresters who inspect trees, work directly with residents, managing licensing tests with contractors, and respond to requests through GoGov and our standard phone calls. Moving on, I wanted to cover. If fully staffed, our division has 22 team members.

1:32:34 – 1:33:10Speaker 17

Two are federally funded through 2028 through a grant. And then we have 13 operational field arborists. So those are the technical professionals that are responsible for your daily pruning, removal, storm response and the specialized tree care maintenance. So there's a lot of data I'm about to throw at you, just fair warning. We manage approximately 130,000 right of way trees and 20,000 park trees, totaling about 150,000 public trees citywide.

1:33:11 – 1:33:46Speaker 17

This is the largest number of public trees managed by any municipality in Colorado providing complete tree care maintenance. With 13 field arborists, each arborist is responsible for roughly 11,500 trees. The past two years for example have been our most productive yet, maintaining around 5,000 trees per year and even at that rate, we are on a thirty year pruning cycle whereas industry best practice is a seven year pruning cycle, a target many comparable front range cities have already achieved.

1:33:47Speaker 3

I have a questioner, councilman Hinjem.

1:33:50Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. Good morning.

1:33:52 – 1:34:23Speaker 8

I'm Matthew. So I suppose we could do the math, but given that it's 150,000 public trees and we have 11,500 per arborist with a pruning interval every thirty years and seven being the industry target. Can you just tell me what that equates to in number of foresters or arborists that we are down in the city of Colorado Springs if we were to meet industry

1:34:23 – 1:34:51Speaker 17

You know, when it comes to proactive maintenance, the hardest part is that initial, you know, getting through the cycle. After that, it's proactive and your maintenance responsibility isn't as high. But you know, we essentially estimate that, quick math, that we're looking at four times the staff or increase in contracting budget to create that operational need. So four times in staff would get us there though.

1:34:51Speaker 8

So 16, is that no? Four times 13?

1:34:57 – 1:35:08Speaker 17

So for operational staff, yeah, it'd be four times 13, but we typically need a staff force or two so that would impact the number a little bit. Know, it'd be 17 times four, give or take.

1:35:09 – 1:35:51Speaker 8

Well, thank you for sharing that and I think it's important for my fellow council members to be aware of that just because every year when we do our budget we have to do these really hard prioritizations this is one of those other levels of service that quite frankly you guys are doing a tremendous job with the resources that you have but there's an impossibility of what you know, there's only so much you can do with the staff that you have. I just think it's really important that we're aware of that, and this is another example of levels of service that we really are not meeting ideally in our city. And we get people who reach out to us all the time regarding the trees, the city owned trees. So thank you.

1:35:51Speaker 5

Thank you for that.

1:35:55 – 1:36:23Speaker 17

Another thing I wanted to cover is we also significant tree planting deficit. So between 2023 and 2025, we removed 2,200 trees and at City Forestry, we only planted 121. That's about an 18 to one tree removal to planting ratio. So at that removal to planting ratio, the city may not need a city forester in about a hundred years. But believe me, that's not the succession plan I am working towards.

1:36:23 – 1:37:05Speaker 17

So regional threats like the invasive emerald ash borer when it arrives could increase and compound this canopy loss. If left untreated and unmanaged, EAB has the potential to kill every ash tree in about fifteen years in this city and that makes up about 25% of our public tree canopy. The pest was confirmed in Denver last year and has been progressively moving south along the Front Range, though it has not yet been confirmed in Colorado Springs. That topic warrants its own separate session, but it has major implications for our management and oversight of the urban forest. So another thing I wanted to cover this year through grant funded efforts, we will complete our tree inventory.

1:37:05 – 1:37:31Speaker 17

Our goal is to make this inventory publicly accessible in 2027. A public facing inventory will allow residents to view maintenance history, tree species information, notable and historic trees, and will provide a comprehensive tool for citizen interaction and engagement. This will significantly improve transparency and support and just community involvement when it comes to our urban forest. Other front range municipalities have done that already as well.

1:37:31Speaker 4

Councilman Hinjem.

1:37:32 – 1:38:07Speaker 8

Thank you. Matthew, and and I did we did have a chance to talk last week about all this. So the ash beetle I think is something that, and we talked about this quite a bit last week, but I would like to just make a formal request here that we have a presentation at a lunch coming up about realities. There's a lot more to go into around that ash beetle and the impacts it's going to have on our city and our tree canopy. So not necessarily for now because it's quite detailed, but I would like to request that for a future lunch if I might.

1:38:09 – 1:38:20Speaker 8

Can I make that request for a future lunch item? Yeah. Thank you. Just whenever you can fit it in I think it would be great to, yep, great, thanks.

1:38:20Speaker 5

Perfect, thank you.

1:38:22 – 1:39:03Speaker 17

Yes, and like Nancy said, that is a topic we could talk about separately and it's got huge implications on our urban forest. The next thing I just want to cover for council is just letting them know what is public and what is right at private trees. So the bottom, your detached sidewalks. This is typically common. You'll find this in the old North End. And actually it's one of the most difficult places for a tree to live and grow because typically it's shared easements, right, with utilities. You have to meet ADA compliance. Oftentimes you'll have sidewalk displacement. It's tough conditions for our trees. On the top right, you'll see attached sidewalk and it's hard to distinct what is a public and private tree.

1:39:03 – 1:39:44Speaker 17

You typically have to use mapping tools such as Springs View to determine that. And you'll find that Village 7 has a lot of this. In the top left, we have a no sidewalk public right of way. Areas of the Broadmoor have this. They can have up to 20 feet right of way. So our right of way for trees varies a lot throughout the city. So I just wanted to give you a quick background there so you understand what I'm talking about here shortly. So you guys have probably seen some of our trees are in this condition. Citizen requests drive much of our workload because our workload unfortunately is reactive and our canopy is maturing. Risk increases.

1:39:44 – 1:40:11Speaker 17

Older trees sit directly over vehicles, sidewalks, homes and public spaces. Unfortunately, the photo here is just one of about 800 that's backlogged in our system. Our top priority is reducing public risk while preserving and enhancing canopy health. So the highly technical work that you see here does require skilled, trained, and certified arborists and sometimes special equipment. Sometimes we have to use cranes.

1:40:11 – 1:40:48Speaker 17

Sometimes we have to use specialized bucket trucks to access and manage these trees. So this is just a quick overview. I just want to, within our standard operating procedures, this is the level of service that we try to offer our citizens currently. Five days for initial request response, thirty days for inspections, five days for urgent hazards similar to the photo you just saw, and ninety days for high priority work. And our medium and low priority tasks, which would be your smaller trees that need pruning.

1:40:48 – 1:41:19Speaker 17

It's really as resources allow if we can get to it. So moving into and that covers our brief background on our operations. This is the first ordinance amendment on the agenda, and it is straightforward in only one slide. City forestry moved from parks to public works in 2022. This, of course, occurred under the Sothers administrations and aligned more closely with our right of way management and infrastructure interactions with public works.

1:41:20 – 1:41:45Speaker 17

This change has been overall very beneficial for us. So we are now recodifying the Urban Forest Chapter from once was Parks and Rec Chapter Four to Public Works Chapter Three. Like I said, this is primarily administrative. We've been part of Public Works since 2022. The next slide here is our definitions.

1:41:45 – 1:42:26Speaker 17

So our original forestry ordinance did not have any definitions from 1968, which made implementation inconsistent. We are not reviewing every definition today. I just wanted to put them on the screen of what was most relevant. The City of Forrester, for example, or designee definition is especially important because with our recodification here, it clarifies who has the legal authority to determine weed tree status, identify hazards or conflicts, issue notice and orders, or initiate abatements. As well as approve planting permits, oversee right of way vegetation compliance.

1:42:26 – 1:42:49Speaker 17

So this will tie into the enforcement structure later in this presentation. So this is the first one I wanted to cover and that's duties of property owners. Article nine establishes clear expectations for property owners. Again, these duties are not new. This is how we already operate.

1:42:49 – 1:43:23Speaker 17

We just don't have that enforcement capability. And like I said, we are updating our code to reflect that of other city departments that have updated theirs as well so they can all tie in together. So the first requirement is property owners must maintain or remove vegetation the right of way that they planted or allowed to grow that is not on the approved street tree list. So you may ask yourself, what is the approved street tree list? So what this is, this is a dynamic document that can be used and updated as new species prove suitable for our climate.

1:43:24 – 1:43:51Speaker 17

And this is already a document that we've had for thirty years at City Forestry. It has not been referenced within our code. So what the approved list does, it protects our long term canopy health by ensuring species are suitable for our climate. And I'll just give you an example. About twenty years ago, we prohibited the planting of ash trees because we knew that EAB was eventually going to be a threat for urban forests.

1:43:51 – 1:44:33Speaker 17

That's what this document does. Know, foresters of years past, they just wanted to plant what grew here and unfortunately that resulted in a lot of green ash being planted, a lot of silver maple and now with regional threats like the emerald ash borer, we could lose all of that canopy, 25% of it in fifteen years. So this is a very critical document to have because like I said, it equips our citizens to know which trees do well in our climate, but also which trees do well in an urban setting, right? We want a citizen planting a tree that is gonna cause sidewalk issues. We want the right tree in the right place.

1:44:33 – 1:45:17Speaker 17

So that's what this document is referenced as. So another thing that I wanted to cover and just let members of council know is that studies suggest when the right species is planted in the right place, trees can increase hardscape and roadway longevity by moderating temperatures and reducing stress on surrounding infrastructure. Along with these benefits, trees provide many benefits and significantly enhance the aesthetic quality of our neighborhoods. A maintained tree also increases your property value. So I'll stop being a tree salesman, I promise.

1:45:17 – 1:45:40Speaker 17

Although I know that General Palmer would probably approve. He likes trees just as much as me. But again, these benefits only occur when it is the right tree in the right place. So how do we ensure the right tree is in the right place? We have a free permitting process for our public trees And we'll cover that in just a couple slides.

1:45:40 – 1:46:05Speaker 17

So this is the first example I wanted to show Council here. I love blue spruce. They're great trees, but within our right of way, they can cause visibility issues and accessibility issues. So if we were able to talk to this resident beforehand, I would communicate to them, Hey, let's choose a different species. If you want a conifer, maybe a ponderosa pine, which is an approved street tree.

1:46:05 – 1:46:40Speaker 17

Because you can tell the photo on the right that's blocking the stop sign and the photo on the left is blocking that accessibility. So the next duties of property owner I wanted to cover was planted after 01/01/2020 without a city foresters permit. So trees planted after 01/01/2020 require that free permit. And you may ask why? January 2020, that's when 80% of our tree inventory was completed.

1:46:40 – 1:47:13Speaker 17

So we manage living assets at City Forestry. Allowing residents to plant a tree in the public right of way without a permit is like a resident installing a park bench within that right of way and then now the city has the right to maintain it. So to manage that access, we need the citizens' buy in and that partnership to know it exists. With our limited staff, we have no clue. If all of a sudden you put an asset that we're supposed to manage without having that the free permit filled out and approved.

1:47:14 – 1:47:31Speaker 17

So the 2020 date also serves as practical guidance. We're not taking core samples of trees to try to backdate and age them. My staff is committed to educating and working with residents to find solutions. Ultimately, we want more trees just in the right place.

1:47:32Speaker 3

I want Madam Hincham.

1:47:34 – 1:47:49Speaker 8

Thank you, Madam President. Yeah. Matthew, on on that last slide and the permitting, do you do you have any guesstimate as to how many people residents in our city actually even know they need a permit to plant a tree in the right of way?

1:47:49 – 1:48:31Speaker 17

So we've had this permit process on our website for, gosh, I'd probably say ten plus years, and it was in our original code that it was the City Forster's the City Forster had to approve any tree that was planted. But, you know, we've worked with local community organizations and partners, many of which who've written letters of support today to get that message out there. So I will say it's hard to give a firm estimate, but I would say 50% of residents or But more should be aware of we've also talked with the communications team and we've explored the opportunities of putting out push notifications as reminders. Just making sure every resident is notified.

1:48:31Speaker 8

Yeah, that's great. And I see you've prioritized response in forty eight hours just because you're being proactive in trying to

1:48:39Speaker 8

With that limited resource, you want to respond quickly to these to make sure the right trees are planted in the right place.

1:48:46 – 1:49:18Speaker 17

Exactly. Thank Yes. And here's a couple more examples where the heart was in the right place but the tree was not. So, you know, the photo on the left, we have a resident that planted a tree right in front of a stop sign. Now at City Forestry, they didn't get the permit. We have to go there and be the bad guy. And it's we want the tree. Just if you would have worked with us, we could have planted it 15 feet further south or whatever it may be to accommodate the resident's request. On the right, I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with willows, but do they belong in a three foot right of way? Probably not.

1:49:19 – 1:49:34Speaker 17

So right now that tree is great but long term it's gonna cause those sidewalk displacement issues. So again, we would probably steer them to a different species. You want shade tree. This is a near right of way. Let's do a fruitless crabapple.

1:49:34 – 1:50:08Speaker 17

Know, let's talk about options with the resident and that's what that permit process is for because what's even worse is going out there and having to remove a completely healthy tree just because it was missing that partnership and that teamwork in the beginning. Alrighty. Moving on. The next one I wanted to cover is slide 15 which is duties of property owners continued. However, property owners must manage weed trees and sprouts that obstruct or could eventually obstruct the right of way or damage infrastructure.

1:50:08 – 1:50:44Speaker 17

So some council members here might be familiar with Siberian elm and tree of heaven. Those are both common examples of weeds that require control and they are both listed as noxious weeds per the Colorado Department of Agriculture. So, and I wanted to show these real quick. These are quick two examples of what's happening a lot within our city. Is that oftentimes citizens will zero escape or they will put rock within their right of way and they feel as if that removes them from the maintenance responsibility and then years and years later you will get this.

1:50:44 – 1:51:23Speaker 17

So in this situation, if you did xeriscape and you did put weed fabric there, still have the responsibility to go through and spray down weeds. So that's but if left neglected, our current code requires this to be ours. And with I'm sure many of you have seen this around town, adding that responsibility to my staff with our current backlog of what are approved street trees is incredibly taxing. Especially as a lot of these will result in public risk. You know, if you leave this neglected, it'll block a stop sign.

1:51:24 – 1:51:39Speaker 17

And this is a good example. So in 2019, this right of way, you can tell maybe it's not mowed. It's set aside. And in 2021, you can already see the elm starting to take shape. And then 2024, there we go.

1:51:39 – 1:52:19Speaker 17

So it's a good time lapse of what what could have been taken care of with just some regular maintenance and mowing in 2019. And oftentimes we will get a call and I will have to direct resources from a technical tree removal for what's happening here at 2024 because it still is a public safety concern. It is still blocking a stop sign. However, it could have easily been prevented. So here's another one and I have a lot of these to pull from but we have a rock right of way with Zero Escape as well in landscape fabric and you can tell 2019 and then 2024.

1:52:21 – 1:52:46Speaker 17

One more example. This is actually a before and after. So before and after. So and I just wanted to let let everyone the council members know that last year alone, we spent about $80,000 on vegetation management. That wasn't just in the right of ways but it's primarily just managing Siberian elms and redirecting resources to directly that.

1:52:49 – 1:53:31Speaker 17

Again, like I said, that is pulling the skilled arborist for small trees that don't require that skilled and technical care. The next slide here for duties of property owners is native vegetation within the right of way. Whether planted intentionally or not, it must be managed when it creates or may create safety or visibility concerns. Here, we have small ponderosa pines that will eventually obstruct traffic visibility and we understand that native vegetation is common, especially in the interface areas around town. But in this case, it is more appropriate to work with the adjacent resident to address these trees before they would become a hazard.

1:53:32 – 1:54:04Speaker 17

Again, these are not issues that my staff would ever be patrolling for. This is us responding to citizens reporting them. So another update. Property owners are responsible for vegetation from their property line to the center alley. We have already operated this way for years because chapter nine already defines expectations for alleyway weed maintenance and you can see that there.

1:54:04 – 1:54:34Speaker 17

We have just further clarified what a weed is that is a weed tree. So what is a woody weed so to speak. So I just want to put that in there. Also trees shown on approved landscape plans must be maintained by the adjacent landowner, HOA or special district as specified in the plan documents. This was already established in Planning's Code Chapter seven.

1:54:34 – 1:55:07Speaker 17

We are just adding again that clarity in our chapter because again, special districts often have additional funding and unique vegetation requirements. We have already been operating this way. Again, we are just updating our code to reflect that. Okay, this next slide I wanted to show is privately owned trees obstructing the safe use of the right of way must be maintained by the property owners. So both these examples are private trees.

1:55:09 – 1:55:44Speaker 17

On the left, of course, you see the tree encroaching the street and the sidewalk and on the right, that's a private tree obstructing a stop sign. Historically, forestry has had no enforcement authority on private trees, which has resulted in city resources being used to prune or remove private trees without no form of restitution. So in 2025, we spent about $10,000 on private tree care maintenance. Some years have been higher, but without enforcement tools, when a resident doesn't comply, we must often perform the work ourselves due to safety concerns. Concerns.

1:55:45 – 1:56:22Speaker 17

So we also partner with the clerk's office to manage licensed tree care contractors so the public has qualified, educated, professional resources available for this tree care maintenance. But like I said again, we did spend approximately $10,000 last year because we don't have that enforcement tool. Work with the residents and we say, Hey, please get this done in fourteen days or we'll do it for free. And that's not the best course of action or management strategy for City Forestry. So how would we go about enforcing this?

1:56:25 – 1:56:51Speaker 17

This recodification provides code enforcement and city forestry with the authority to enforce these tree related issues using the same processes that are already established in code enforcement chapter nine. We are completely mirroring their notice and order structure. So these are not new fees. This is not a new process. It is the same appeals or abatement process that code enforcement already has.

1:56:51 – 1:57:35Speaker 17

And I just wanted to stress again that this is very much few and far between for city forestry. It may only be three to 4% of residents that don't comply and we have to go through this process, but we shouldn't be using any of those resources, of our internal resources on private trees for instance. So this is how we currently enforce is we always, we contact the property owner and we give them a tree and shrub hazard notification. If there's no response, we'll always verify if it's owner occupied. If it's a renter, you know, we'll work with them and get contact with the landlord directly.

1:57:35 – 1:58:12Speaker 17

If there's we give them fourteen days to respond to the issue. But like I said, after that, there's no enforcement. So it's fourteen days or like I said, we'll do it for free. So following that, if there all what's highlighted here is new. So no response. We will issue a notice and order. We will do the abatement or appeal from property owner in ten days and we will follow the code enforcement process. But that's it for enforcement. Is there any questions?

1:58:12Speaker 3

Mhmm. Okay. Councilman Casey.

1:58:14 – 1:58:31Speaker 5

I I just thank you, madam president. I had a quick question. So if on some pieces of land, they're owned by property owners. You can kinda tell that. But what about common areas like, you know, maybe HOA or Metro District Maintain. Do you have a way of contacting them to deal with trees that need to be pruned or otherwise taken care of?

1:58:31 – 1:58:52Speaker 17

Absolutely, we do. And oftentimes, HOAs, Metro Districts, they have more stringent requirements than us. You know, you may have to plant two conifers in your front yard or however may be but our process is if something gets reported to us, we will contact the HOA directly. We have a list of their representatives and let them know what work needs to be performed.

1:58:52Speaker 5

Thank you. Okay.

1:58:58 – 1:59:17Speaker 17

Moving on from enforcement. We are getting rid of our street tree program. So we are striking the original 1980 street tree program language. This program functioned until 2009 when staffing constraints of course made it unmanageable. But the language remained in code.

1:59:17 – 1:59:58Speaker 17

This program used developer contributed funds to provide new street trees to homebuyers. While the intention was good, it was very difficult for my staff to administer. My plan is to use any of the remaining funds to plant trees wherever they are needed most. Oftentimes that's not in new developments, it's replacement trees. Know, trees that were removed due to ADA compliance or sidewalk displacement or come up with a replacement strategy for emerald ash borer when it does arrive. So that's what the remaining funds for the street tree program will be used for. However, that section will be striked from code and removed.

2:00:04 – 2:00:37Speaker 17

So we worked through this rather quickly, but I just wanted to let you know that this recodification is about clarity, consistency, and transparency and just really trying to be responsible stewards of our resources. A key comparison highlight is several Front Range municipalities place full responsibility of the right of way trees on adjacent property owners. Their forestry departments only work on park trees. For example, Denver does that. They place the full right of way responsibility on adjacent property owners.

2:00:37 – 2:01:11Speaker 17

We do not operate that way, right? We manage our street trees. We are simply requesting for clear tools to support the way we already function, managing approved city trees while ensuring non approved species, volunteer invasive trees, and private trees impacting the right of way are addressed appropriately. These updates will allow us to focus our limited resources where they belong on the technical skilled care of our public living assets. Ultimately, my mission is for our team to be the best, again, possible stewards.

2:01:14Speaker 17

So, thank you again for your time. My contact information is on the screen and if you have any questions?

2:01:21Speaker 3

Councilman Lineweber and he's online.

2:01:27 – 2:02:00Speaker 6

Hey. This is great information. I really appreciate you, bringing this forth. But, and and maybe I I might have missed it, but I don't think I did. But, what what happens when we have a big storm event and, you know, we get a number of trees down on utilities and all that kind of stuff? How does this all affect that if you're not going to be responsible for those trees? Are you going to be responsible when there's an emergency or how does that correlate?

2:02:01 – 2:02:46Speaker 17

Doctor. So because all those trees are grandfathered in and when a storm would happen, yes, we would be responsible for all those trees. This is just how we're trying to operate moving forward is to catch those volunteer elms, right, when they're young and be able to notify that property owner and have them address it. We would continue to operate as we always have. Like I said, this would just be moving forward. Everything else is grandfathered in. We were just trying to prevent those invasive or volunteer trees from becoming that issue. And we already operate as special districts and HOAs are responsible for their trees, so there would be no change there.

2:02:47Speaker 6

Okay. Great. Thanks.

2:02:50Speaker 3

Councilman Hincham.

2:02:51 – 2:03:09Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. Just yeah. A couple of specific tree questions and on those weedy, Siberian elms. So I'm curious. Do they are they primarily, do you find them primarily in the central older parts of the city or are they in all 200 square miles?

2:03:10 – 2:03:24Speaker 17

Yeah, second. Everywhere. They are primarily all throughout the city. However, the farther north you get towards the Palmer Divide and west out of the city, the more elevation you get, the less you're gonna see them.

2:03:24 – 2:03:53Speaker 8

Okay. Well, they they abound in my general area neighborhood. When I walk, actually, I stop and I kinda do my part. I try to pull them out because they're everywhere. I mean I've pulled hundreds and hundreds I'm sure over the time that I've lived in my neighborhood. But my question really specifically is even when they're just a few inches high, they're really hard to get the roots out. So if you don't get the entire one pulled out, will that root even as a seedling continue to grow?

2:03:54 – 2:04:13Speaker 17

You know, it depends on the site. That small typically it wouldn't come back. However, if you have a larger tree and you just cut it down without using any chemical, anything to suppress that weed, it will come back. The larger it is. The smaller you might be able to get it with

2:04:13Speaker 8

But the seedlings, if I don't get every bit of that root I'm probably still doing good.

2:04:18Speaker 17

You're probably still doing good, yes.

2:04:21Speaker 17

you know oftentimes specific to the right of way, it can be taken care of just by mowing And if it is a rock right of way, with herbicide application once a year. Okay.

2:04:32 – 2:04:50Speaker 8

And then last question is given the two really hard frosts we had after trees had budded, can you just give some general recommendations for how to take care of those trees that now look like they're dead but we know they're not dead but could you just give us a little information because that was tough this spring?

2:04:50 – 2:05:30Speaker 17

It was and on top of that was also tough is just the drought. So the drought mixed in with those two freezes because some of those were back to back. But I will say this, trees are incredibly adaptable and they have what we call secondary or auxiliary buds that typically get pushed out after. However, you will probably see frost damage hanging on those leaves for all year. But some of the best things that you can do as a resident for your tree is apply a two inch layer of organic hardwood mulch which we actually give free to our residents at 1601 Recreation Way.

2:05:30 – 2:06:02Speaker 17

It's first come first serve. But applying a two inch layer of mulch that helps hold soil moisture, it helps protect those roots from those hard freezes and it gives those nutrients back into the soil slowly. So that would be my number one recommendation. And then also in times where we're trying to be water wise, it's easier to replace turf than a tree. And that's just what I'll say is that if I had to pick one of the two, would of course add supplemental watering to the tree. Yeah, thank you.

2:06:02 – 2:06:13Speaker 10

Councilman Williams. Thank you, President Kerr Iverson. You mentioned the dollars that were spent because of your fourteen days and, you know, they just told you good luck with that.

2:06:14 – 2:06:37Speaker 10

Have you gone through the exercise, insourcing versus outsourcing? I know $70,000 $90,000 is probably a lot to the budget, but have you done the math to see if it's better to hire one of the contractors you mentioned to handle those things, or like you said, have your skilled employees kind of focus on the things that they're skilled for.

2:06:37 – 2:07:15Speaker 17

Absolutely, and I'm glad you brought that up. And it really depends on the project. Reactive maintenance is typically not good for contracting because it's higher costs. Hey, I need you to take care of this ASAP. So when we have outsourcing or contractors, we try to plan projects like, Hey, there's this big area where we can do some proactive maintenance and we're gonna put the contractors there. And then for in sourcing or things we do internally, that's where we typically have the reactive, abrupt, Hey, I need you at this part of town and I need you to finish over here because like I said, it's more cost effective that way.

2:07:16Speaker 5

Yeah, thank you.

2:07:17Speaker 8

I couldn't do a second.

2:07:23Speaker 7

don't know where that's coming from.

2:07:25 – 2:07:54Speaker 3

That's it for questions. I know that we usually ask oh, it must be out there, for if you want this on consent. But because you said earlier that there's a few tweaks, I don't know that that's why at this point. We don't need the whole presentation again, but probably when you come back, for the vote, the new information needs to be added. So I don't think we can put this on consent.

2:07:54Speaker 17

Okay. Thank you, madam president. I think one month we should be able to provide that information.

2:07:58Speaker 3

In a month. Okay. And just the new information?

2:08:01Speaker 17

Yes. Just the new information. Perfect.

2:08:03Speaker 3

I mean, it's all great, but I mean, I'm just saying I for you, I'm sure you don't wanna come do the whole thing again.

2:08:12Speaker 17

Thank you for your time.

2:08:13Speaker 3

Thank you. Moving on to item eight g. Will the clerk please read item eight g into the record?

2:08:20 – 2:08:40Speaker 4

An ordinance submitting an ordinance submitting section 14 o four code adopted by reference to part 14 building codes of four development standards and incentives. Chapter seven unified development code of the city of Colorado Springs 2001 is amended pertaining to adoption of Pikes Peak's regional building code standards of single exits and stairways.

2:08:48Speaker 3

Yep. Good morning, Roger.

2:08:52 – 2:09:30Speaker 18

Good morning. Roger Lovell, Regional Building. Thank you for thank you for your time today. We're here today because in 2025, the state of Colorado passed legislation, specifically house bill 25 dash twelve seventy three to require single exit stairs or to allow an option for single exit stairs in multifamily buildings. So what the legislation does is it allows for a building up to five stories with four up to four dwelling units per floor to be accessed by a single exit.

2:09:30 – 2:10:22Speaker 18

There's a lot of additional provisions that are included in that that we can go through. This requirement applies to municipalities over a 100,000 population of which Colorado Springs is one of those. So again, it is specific to the city of Colorado Springs. The department has worked in conjunction with Colorado Springs Fire, specifically Chris Cooper, who's here today as well, to address this topic and come up with the ordinance that we have before you today that matches, that meets or exceeds the requirements of the state of Colorado. The the life safety provisions that make up for the loss of that second stair are are pretty maybe we could go to, I guess do I have control of this here?

2:10:23 – 2:11:01Speaker 18

Do I? Yep. If we could go to oh boy. I gotta read that. This is a copy of appendix d or a partial copy of appendix d which is contained in the Pikes Peak Regional Building Code with requirements specific to the city of Colorado Springs. So if we if we start off this this option to build these multifamily buildings with a single exit would be effective 12/01/2027 in accordance with the state statute. Again,

2:11:01 – 2:11:31Speaker 18

more than five stories including any occupiable roof. And then the building has to be constructed of type one, two, or four construction. Type one and two construction are non combustible types of construction, the type that you frequently see of office buildings, steel, masonry. Type four construction is not widely used, but it is timber heavy timber construction. We have yet to see any heavy timber construction here in the Pikes Peak region.

2:11:31 – 2:12:07Speaker 18

The building would have an automatic sprinkler system, a full commercial automatic sprinkler system. That's an additional requirement on top of what would be required in a in a in a up to a three story building. And I guess to be clear, the the international building code, which is what we're what we're on right now, the 2021, it allows for a building up to three stories to be accessed by a single stair. So this provision allows us to go up to five stories. The gross floor area, which is the floor plate area for each floor, can exceed 4,000 square feet.

2:12:08 – 2:13:03Speaker 18

It can be increased up to 6,000 square feet, but the exit has to move up to 54 inches wide from the 48 inches wide, which is also a wider exit than what the code requires. It limits exit access travel distance. It requires an emergency escape and rescue opening, which is a egress window in each dwelling unit. And it does require smoke control throughout the building, which is a way of pressurizing the stairwells so that you have a safe evacuation zone in the stairwells. It requires a full fire alarm system, and it does not allow for any electrical outlets in corridors or the exit stair, and that's for charging of electric like scooters or that type of thing.

2:13:04Speaker 3

I have a question from Thank Chidsomann

2:13:07 – 2:13:21Speaker 10

you, President Carraberson. Did that 4,000 square feet include exclude that one floor that was allotted below allowed below grade? I couldn't tell if it was all five and then the one that was below grade. Or

2:13:22Speaker 18

The the below grade floor would be limited to 4,000 square feet as well.

2:13:27Speaker 10

But it's 4,000 total?

2:13:29Speaker 18

No. It's 4,000 per floor. Okay. So it it doesn't limit the overall area, but each floor plate is limited to 4,000 square feet. Right. If that makes sense.

2:13:39Speaker 10

Yeah. Does. Thank you.

2:13:46 – 2:14:18Speaker 15

I'll just step up here, council members. Dan Sexton, planning manager with city planning. Roger moved a little bit more quickly than I did to get up to the dais here. But just so to to frame this consideration of this code update is within the UDC because the regional building code is adopted as part of chapter seven of the UDC. And as referenced within that section, this is where this would be incorporated if adopted.

2:14:19 – 2:14:40Speaker 15

And ultimately post this conversation here today, if we're able to continue to move it forward, this would come back to you at the was it the the next meeting this month? So what is it? The twenty sixth. Yep. So if there's any questions, feel free. We can ask them, and Chris Cooper is here as well to answer any questions regarding fire.

2:14:40Speaker 3

Councilman Risley.

2:14:42 – 2:15:21Speaker 12

Thank you, madam president. I I have a number of questions that I think, will probably be best answered by Roger and Fire Marshal Cooper, but I'll just start and you guys can chime in as you see fit. I have a few problems with this provision, and sort of the first and foremost is that in my view this continues to erode and undermine and usurp Home Rule authority. This is yet again another example of the state in their infinite wisdom telling us locally what is best for us. And not just us, but the other 11 municipalities that have 100,000 residents or more.

2:15:21 – 2:15:50Speaker 12

So on its face, I have a problem with that. I think that for a city with Home Rule authority, we need to flex that authority. That is the reason that you have elected officials that sit here and, look out for the best interests of our community and our our residents and our constituents. That aside, I have a number of significant technical questions and and concerns. Roger, you mentioned right now that we're under the 2021 International Building Code twenty twenty one IBC.

2:15:51 – 2:16:31Speaker 12

This type of construction, and I acknowledge that this this change would not go into effect until December 2027, but this type of construction would not be allowed under the 2021 IBC as I understand it. You just mentioned the difference between three stories versus five stories. But on top of that, there are a number of other, very, in my view, significant and critical departures from what is allowed under currently. So I have concern with that because if we don't adopt the '27 IBC by the time this goes into play, you can't technically legally allow these modifications. Am I right in that?

2:16:36Speaker 18

Roger Lovell, regional building. I'm not quite sure. I I guess I'm not quite sure I understand the question. If

2:16:42 – 2:17:04Speaker 12

So if I came in tomorrow and proposed that I want to build an apartment building with a single stair five stories tall Gotcha. And and maybe I'm proposing a sprinkler system or maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm proposing, you know, a pressurized stairway, maybe I'm not. Would I be allowed to proceed with proposing this under the 2021 IBC?

2:17:06 – 2:17:53Speaker 18

Straight out of the code, no. There could be a possibility for either variance request, A variance where you could prove an equally better form of construction would be about the only path, which would be very hard to prove in this case because it's it's a pretty it's a pretty big step away from what the model code does allow. For the rest of council, some of what to some of what councilman Riesley is speaking to is there is a the international codes are on a three year cycle. Historically, locally, we have always adopted every other code cycle. So we adopt a new code every six years rather than every three.

2:17:53 – 2:18:26Speaker 18

We're on the twenty twenty one now, which would mean our next target code would be the twenty twenty seven code, which is yet to be published. But there are discussions and there is a proposal to allow for single exits or an increased use of single exits in the twenty twenty seven code. I don't know specifically what the requirements are along with those provisions, and it has yet to be approved as well. So we don't know exactly what it'll look like. There are a couple couple difficulties in that.

2:18:26 – 2:19:44Speaker 18

When the twenty twenty seven code does does come out and is published, we will review that and look and try and move towards adoption with amendments locally. It could be interesting to see if this if this ordinance is adopted, how these requirements here before you today play in with what the twenty twenty seven code allows. And as far as home rule, I completely understand where you're coming from, councilman. I think one of the risks that we need to consider is in the event that this ordinance is not passed and the state does does force the city of Colorado Springs to implement this requirement, that would be an update to the building code. And an update to the building code after 07/01/2026 drives the the well, what will be at the time the current energy code, which is the Colorado low energy and carbon code, which is a heavily amended version of the 2024 energy code that is significantly more restrictive than the energy code that we will be moving to on on 06/30/2026.

2:19:44Speaker 18

So there's a risk associated with it.

2:19:46 – 2:20:15Speaker 12

I appreciate that. Roger, can you talk a little bit about with House Bill twelve seventy three, in your view is this supplanting prescriptive tried and true measures that have been built into the building code over decades of practice with something that's driven by statute that doesn't recognize the reality of all of the things that go into a building code?

2:20:16 – 2:20:45Speaker 18

I think the fair answer to that question is yes. I believe that building code should be should be written by the people who know how to write building codes which is the International Code Council. With that said and in full disclosure, the this bill was initially introduced in 2024. At that time, it was to apply statewide. They didn't have exception in there for municipalities over a 100,000.

2:20:45 – 2:21:23Speaker 18

They also didn't have all of the additional requirements that are in the appendix before you. When the bill was introduced in 2025, I did again testify in opposition to that bill. It did pass, but throughout the process it was heavily amended to include a lot of the requirements. And at least in my opinion, the additional requirements for these buildings do provide an alternative, in my opinion, an equally good or better alternative to the second stair.

2:21:24 – 2:21:39Speaker 12

So you said that this was I guess we're establishing that this is not performance based, and I think you made the comment that something like this is probably better drafted instead of by a state legislature by building code officials and and experts in in this realm. Is that a fair statement?

2:21:39 – 2:21:53Speaker 18

I I would agree with that. And I think this that that at least where where I feel personally on this situation is we were able to affect change throughout

2:21:54Speaker 1

legislature and get some of your additional requirements in here to offset the need for that second

2:21:59Speaker 18

stair. Ideally, these requirements would come from the International Code Council and not the state of Colorado, but this is what we have.

2:22:09 – 2:22:21Speaker 12

So knowing that this would only apply were if we were to move forward with the city of Colorado Springs, how would you deal with the rest of the member jurisdictions in Pikes Peak Regional Building Department?

2:22:23Speaker 18

In the event that that a developer wished to build one of these in a in another jurisdiction?

2:22:31Speaker 18

That would require that would require a variance to do so.

2:22:36 – 2:22:59Speaker 12

So if I'm on the left side of a line out near Mark Shuffle as an example, city boundary, and I'm in the city, if we were to move forward with this, you would determine that it would be allowable, legal, safe, justifiable, but literally across the street, would it would it fall into the same category?

2:23:00 – 2:23:35Speaker 18

If if the other side of the street is, say, in El Paso County, no. It would not be it would not be legal. And and that that variance process would be would be would have to be pretty extensive and robust because we've looked for input from the the local fire department or district of are they able to to serve this facility as well. And and that's one of the reasons that they limited it to jurisdictions over a 100,000 because additional capabilities that come with their their fire departments

2:23:36Speaker 18

That rural fire departments may not have.

2:23:38Speaker 12

Fair. How many people do we have living in unincorporated El Paso County?

2:23:42Speaker 18

I I can't answer that.

2:23:44 – 2:24:25Speaker 12

It's about 250,000. So it's okay within the city of Colorado Springs, but it's not okay in the county that has 250,000 residents. Can you talk a little bit, and and this may be a little outside of your expertise, but I think it's close enough that you can probably reasonably answer, talking about hardened construction materials, commercial grade fire sprinkler systems, noncombustive structural systems, type one or type two construction, pressurized stairways, all of these things. Is this what are the speak to the cost drivers a little bit from a construction standpoint, the cost of construction.

2:24:27 – 2:25:24Speaker 18

The there's a there's a report that I believe went to council as well from Cal Fire, and they did a a pretty extensive and a good report on this this type of construction, not specifically specifically this this criteria here before you today. But they estimate that not including a second stair in a building such as this saves in the neighborhood of seven to 12% on the cost of construction. In my opinion, the the requirement for type one type two construction, a full NFPA 13 sprinkler system, pressurization, smoke control, a full fire alarm. In my opinion, those costs will exceed the seven to 12% savings. With that said, I don't believe even I don't believe that this will be a widely used option in Colorado Springs.

2:25:24Speaker 18

It could be more widely used in in Metro Denver and whatnot, but I don't expect it to be a popular option here that everybody's gonna be rushing out to to build.

2:25:34 – 2:25:51Speaker 12

Which goes back to my point that Home Rule authority should have some factor here that if this makes sense for Denver, let Denver do this. If it doesn't make sense for Colorado Springs, why should we have to? Thanks for your answers. I appreciate all that. Maybe moving to the fire side of things, Chris, if you don't mind, I do have a question for you.

2:25:52 – 2:26:33Speaker 12

Can you speak a little bit to this from the perspective of fire operations and when I use that terminology, I don't know what terminology you or the fire department gravitate toward but very often in buildings where you're responding to a fire or a medical emergency or some other situation, often you've got two paths of travel, one which is the evacuation or egress path, and then another which often is called the attack path. Right? So if you've got a fire on the 3rd Floor of a building, you would ideally want to be exiting people out of one area and having fire operations come into another area. Am I correct in that?

2:26:34 – 2:26:58Speaker 19

Chris Cooper, fire marshal. Thank you for that question. The hope is by the time fire crews arrive that the building's been evacuated, right? I mean that's best case scenario. You know, at that point if people are already in motion facilitating what stairway they go down versus what we're gonna do an attack on is pretty difficult to coordinate that late in the game.

2:26:59 – 2:27:55Speaker 19

That said, if I could back up a little bit and the fact that every code is written based upon tragedy. You know, people don't sit around and think about code based upon hey, this would be a nice to have unless you're a product manufacturer, unless you have some ulterior motive. But generally speaking, know, they speak to every policy has a name associated with it. Well, code generally has some type of tragedy assigned to it. And when the code councils work together and through that code development process, you have people who have the ability to, you know, fire code officials, you have building code officials, you have product manufacturers, you have firefighters, you have everyone who's able to provide input in that process and code is written as a result of feedback and input from all those things to include consideration of fire department operations.

2:27:56 – 2:29:06Speaker 19

You know, and when code is written legislatively and you don't have all those people at the table, then that's a really difficult situation. The fact that you're writing code based upon some ulterior motive and if it's motivated by cost, then generally, you know, I stopped short of using the word cutting corners but you know, the intent is to reduce some overall level of safety as a trade off for financial savings. Going back to your question operationally, in Colorado Springs, I can count handfuls of fires where we've arrived and we have report of trapped people because they've opened up their apartment door and the corridor's full of smoke and they don't feel like they can safely get out, stay shelter in place. I can think of several fires where we've had that common stairwell compromised by fire in the fact that there's no other choice other than be rescued because that stairwell is not capable for the community to use at that point of the residence. And so our response is all hands rescue at that point before we can even facilitate firefighting operations with life safety being our number one goal.

2:29:06 – 2:29:26Speaker 19

We worked hard to do rescues. You know, I think at the Castle West fire, which was a very tragic fire. They had three stairwells, but that was an arson fire. Someone, lit the main stairwell on fire and our fire crews on a very, very cold night facilitated over 80 rescues out of windows to get the occupants out of that building. We did have two fatalities on that fire.

2:29:28 – 2:30:01Speaker 19

So from a fire perspective, single stair does concern me. You know, you can build in the, you know, all the provisions that you want in terms of other life safety offsets, but at the end of the day, you still have those problems. And, you know, when we think about type of construction, everyone says, oh, you know, the building's not gonna burn. Well, it's generally not the building that's burning but it's the contents that are burning. And we live in a society with a lot of manufactured products and a lot of chemicals and so that smoke becomes very toxic very quick.

2:30:02 – 2:30:32Speaker 19

You know, back when we had single stairwell buildings, time for flashover which is when the entire room becomes fully involved in fire because the superheated gases ignite at the same time could have been fifteen to seventeen minutes. Today you're about a minute and a half to three minutes. And so if you're not able to facilitate a rescue quickly or evacuate yourself, then you're in a really bad situation. Can sprinklers offset that? Absolutely they can and that's the intent.

2:30:33 – 2:31:15Speaker 19

But even sprinklers fail at some point, know, and so to put all our eggs in one basket I think is a very dangerous situation. You know, thinking about the history of codes from single stairwell buildings, then you know we moved past that. People realized this is a bad thing. People are dying because they can't get out of buildings. Soon we saw exterior fire escapes come into place. That was an alternate design but again we said we can do better. We moved past single stairwell and fire escapes and we went to multiple stairwells. And we've seen much better results as a result of that. You know, sure technology has changed. Sure we have new fire protection systems.

2:31:15 – 2:31:29Speaker 19

We have alarms and sprinklers. But I I do worry about the impact to people's ability to evacuate. I know that was a long iteration to your question, but there's a lot of information there.

2:31:29 – 2:31:46Speaker 12

And I think there's a lot of nuance to your concern, which is important to express. How often in fully engulfed buildings or when you've got a situation like this, how often is the power either partially or permanently interrupted to the building during during the event?

2:31:48 – 2:32:32Speaker 19

I don't know that I have a good answer for that. Generally speaking, if the, you know, modern electrical systems, right, we have breakers and if the electrical to a given circuit is compromised, ideally that breaker trips and that is a circuit by circuit unless it fires outside and impacts the transformer, the source of power coming into the building. Now that said, as soon as our firefighters get there, one of the things that we do is we will secure utilities which includes gas and electric to the building. We'll disconnect those because those are ignition sources that can allow the fire to continue to spread and also puts our firefighters at risk. So we will, very early in the operation, shut down those utilities.

2:32:32 – 2:33:02Speaker 12

And given what you said about smoke and the ability or the the risk to both responders as well as occupants in a building to poisonous and toxic gases, if we're relying on a pressurized, a mechanically pressurized system to pressurize the only way out of the building, Do you perceive that as being an additional risk because one of the first things you're gonna do when you arrive is you're gonna shut off the power to this pressurized mechanical system?

2:33:02 – 2:33:33Speaker 19

Yeah. Again, hopefully by the time we get there, the occupants have had the ability to escape, you know, and evacuate the building. But the idea of that pressurization is that it is going to pressurize that stairwell and try and maintain that as a clean environment. So if you have a fire that starts in an apartment, the idea is the positive pressure of the stairwell, even if someone opens a door, would be pushing into that apartment versus allowing the smoke to come into the stairwell. So that is the intent of that and again that works as long as you have power for sure.

2:33:34 – 2:34:08Speaker 12

Yeah. As long as you have power. Great. Thank you. I don't want to belabor the point but I just want to underscore as a design professional and somebody who lives and breathes this on a daily basis, I can't tell you how bad this is for us if we were to move this forward, so I would just encourage my colleagues to seriously consider the input that you received today from the experts that deal with this on a daily basis and assuming that we bring this forward for a vote, I would highly encourage us to decline to put this into law locally. Thanks.

2:34:10Speaker 3

Councilman Williams.

2:34:12 – 2:34:55Speaker 10

Thank you, President Co Iverson. I'm sure there's easier words or bigger words or smaller words, but the only word that came to mind today was extortion, that it really seems like we as a governmental entity are being extorted by saying you need to put these rules in place or else. And I don't think that's good governance personally. I did come up with a question as I was sitting here last night listening to Councilmember Risley. If you're developing, and it's probably for Roger, do you have an option to do it, what I'm gonna call the old way, the existing way? Is this a you have to do it like this, or is this an option that you can do it like this?

2:34:55 – 2:35:17Speaker 18

That's a great question, council member, and I I should have addressed that. No. This is this is an option. Okay. This doesn't force anybody to have to do it this way. The the allowance to build a three story building up to a a three story building with a single stair or a taller building with two stairs will always remain an option.

2:35:17 – 2:35:30Speaker 10

So they're thankfully not being forced into this because I heard increase in cost and I think the purpose of this was actually to decrease costs, but I don't know that that's actually gonna be reality.

2:35:30Speaker 18

That's fair. Yeah. The the current provisions would still be 100% allowable regardless of what happens with this piece.

2:35:40 – 2:36:13Speaker 10

Okay, thank you. And then to the chief of staff, depending upon how we do or do not go down what I'm still calling the extortion route, if we then say no to this, and as we know there's another domino that falls after this. I'm not gonna put the mayor on the spot today but has he thought about that and how the city would proceed forward because the same individuals in this room are not quite ready to implement the rules that come if this doesn't get passed.

2:36:14 – 2:36:35Speaker 13

We're in discussion with city attorney's office on this because, obviously, if there is a lawsuit filed against the city for failure to comply, we will need to make sure what our basis is, and that'll be, I've asked our acting city attorney, and we'll have a discussion with our new city attorney once she's approved by counsel.

2:36:43 – 2:37:03Speaker 3

I don't see any other questions so we will not be putting this on consent. So we'll see you back in a few weeks. You should have known better. Come on. You could have guessed that one, Dan. Moving on to item eight h. Will the clerk please read item eight h into the record?

2:37:03Speaker 4

An ordinance amending chapter seven unified development code of the code of the city of cause brings 2001 as amended pertaining to adult or child day care centers.

2:37:12Speaker 3

Good morning, Allison. It's still morning.

2:37:14 – 2:37:33Speaker 14

It is morning still. Crazy to think. Good morning. Allison Stocker, senior plan with the Land Use Review Division. Today, I'm going to be giving a quick refresher on the child care ordinance which includes changes to the unified development code pertaining to child and adult day care centers.

2:37:36 – 2:38:18Speaker 14

So just a quick overview of this presentation. We're gonna go through some of the project goals, stakeholder engagement, some general things particularly about child care and how it's regulated in the state and here locally as well as some definitions and things like that. And then we'll get into commercial, zone districts and how they relate to childcare and then residential zone districts. There are a couple of changes since the last time this body has heard this ordinance as well as city planning commission, so I'll try to highlight those as we're going through so that we can talk about those changes and why those have been made. So why are we doing this?

2:38:18 – 2:39:00Speaker 14

You've heard from a number of different advocacy groups over the last couple months about how child care impacts our local economy. So, of course, that is something that is very front of mind for planning and we're looking to make these changes to make the process quicker and easier for getting new child care permitted here in the city. Of course, planning can only, touch on this issue in the capacity that we are the land development regulatory agency. So, of course, we can't do anything about some of the cost and state licensing and building codes and things like that. But in the capacity we can make changes, we're looking to do so.

2:39:01 – 2:39:45Speaker 14

So a refresh on what we have done so far. This issue came front of mind back in the fall through different presentations made to city council. Since that time, city planning has been working on drafts to, put together proposals on what changes we'd like to make. As of February, we brought this ordinance draft forward through an open house, and we took in new survey data, took all of that, put together a more final draft, and then have since been presenting it, at lunch sessions as well as city planning commission. Some of the input we've gotten from the community throughout the process has been that the project does not necessarily fix the pressing issues.

2:39:45 – 2:40:34Speaker 14

Of course, we acknowledge that it doesn't. We can't, again, fix the financial issues around childcare, where those go, things like that. We've heard from family home daycare, so our in home daycare providers, are concerned that the need isn't as large as maybe it is represented by some groups and that they have, recognized that some home daycares do have vacancies still. So they are worried that, changes to land use regulation might be negatively impactful on their businesses. And then we've also heard from people saying that they want childcare conveniently located to their homes and workplaces, but they want to be sure that these locations are safe, secure, and compatible with those areas.

2:40:34 – 2:41:24Speaker 14

So before we get into the nitty gritty, I am gonna go over our definitions just because they will kind of impact how we talk about these. So our adult and child day care centers, these are our commercial child care facilities. These are Montessori schools, they're kinder cares, things where we have children being dropped off, picked up, and everyone goes home for the day. So that is kind of one of the big ones we'll be looking at today as well as the new use type we're looking to add to code which is adult or child daycare accessory uses. So similarly, this is an accessory use that would co locate with other commercial or industrial uses, but the use the primary use again would be kind of that commercial industrial components.

2:41:25 – 2:41:52Speaker 14

These are categorized by large and small daycares. Large is more than 16 children whereas small is anywhere between six and fifteen. And then similarly, we also have home or adult child day care centers accessory. Keyword in here is home. So these are our accessory uses that occur in the home where the residential unit is the primary use of the structure.

2:41:53 – 2:42:34Speaker 14

So we're not making any changes to this use type in code. We're only just kind of presenting this for context particularly in the size differences. So a large home daycare is gonna be anywhere between six and eleven children whereas a small is no more than six. A little background on childcare licensing. So anytime a provider wants to open a new childcare facility, whether it's commercial or an accessory in home childcare or they want to relocate where their license is, they do have to come to city planning to get verification that the zoning allows for that use in that location.

2:42:34 – 2:43:28Speaker 14

So daycare providers are working with our department very regularly to make sure that these locations work, and that is the point in time where we check things like parking ratios, landscaping, accessibility to and from the site, things like that. There are a lot of standards that apply at the state level and at the building code level. I won't get into that because it's a little complicated, but there are a lot of other factors that do influence where these facilities can locate and kind of the feasibility of locating in a particular building or location. It's important also to recognize that these child care facilities do have minimum floor areas for children. So 30 square feet is required per child for indoors and 75 square feet outside for our commercial daycares.

2:43:28 – 2:44:04Speaker 14

And then in home, it's thirty five and seventy five respectively. Respectively. So some general changes we're making to the code. These include making all of our zone districts allow childcare either as a permitted by right or conditional use across all of our zone districts. So that'll massively expedite and allow these uses to occur in more locations without having to go through more cumbersome applications, more technical applications such as use variances, zone change, things like that.

2:44:05 – 2:45:11Speaker 14

We are making sure our naming conventions are consistent across our use types in code. We are also making sure our definitions are updated accordingly to make sure that all of them are written correctly and then they address the additional use type we are adding. One big change that we have made since presenting this to you guys at lunch session and at City Planning Commission is we are removing the reduction in parking we had initially proposed, and this is due to conversations we've had with some neighborhood advocacy groups. And just because that was more of an ask to the community and into council, and we did not feel that that was really at the root of the issue, we felt that that was a good compromise to make with the community. And then the last two big things to keep in mind is we did update the parking table just to reflect the new use types, and we are changing the use specific standards to reflect the change in the use table as well as some of the other ways we are like we prefer to regulate these uses.

2:45:12 – 2:46:00Speaker 14

And I'll get more to that in a bit. So for our nonresidential zones, this table includes our commercial and industrial zones. The top set of rows is our old chapter seven, so how this was regulated before 2023. The middle section is the current way these are regulated, and then the very bottom is our proposal. So the green boxes you see on the bottom set of rows are where the flexibility has been increased, whether it be gone from conditional to permitted or prohibited to conditional, these are all areas where we've expanded kind of the flexibility allowed.

2:46:00 – 2:46:43Speaker 14

Two that did change with some further discussions was we did expand the light industrial and general industrial to allow childcare as a permitted by right use. And this is just due to some of the additional use specific standards we have input into the code which we'll talk about in a bit as well as just recognizing that our child care providers are going to be doing the due diligence on their end to co locate or locate in areas where they feel comfortable based on some of the other state and building code requirements and we feel that they should have kind of the ability to pick and choose those locations based on their

2:46:43Speaker 3

needs. Councilman Hinjim.

2:46:47Speaker 8

Thank you madam president. So is the on the bottom row, the proposed changes, I understand conditional, the PK's Park.

2:46:55Speaker 14

Yes. What is is public facilities. So those are generally city owned properties. So the chance that we have any is pretty low.

2:47:08 – 2:47:51Speaker 14

Okay. So the only other big thing to keep in mind for our industrial zones is that adult or child daycare center accessory use we have talked about previously. So just as a refresher, this is an accessory use in all permitted zones but it is required to co locate with one of the use types on the right side of the screen. So these are use types that planning feels are good co location options for childcare. So where childcare can locate near appropriate businesses, office type uses, or residential uses that are frequently in need of childcare in their proximity.

2:47:51 – 2:48:21Speaker 14

So this is distinct from our home daycare because it would not take place in a residential unit. It would take place in a commercial kind of setting. So similar to like a kinder care but in say an office building or in a multifamily residential development. In certain cases we would require development plans depending on the context of the situation. So if a development plan is considered warranted, we would require that at time of pre application meeting.

2:48:22 – 2:49:12Speaker 14

And one important detail about all of this is that the accessory use does not need to be affiliated with the primary use. So if say it's an office building, the daycare does not need to be run by the office question or if it is co located with the church, the church does not need to be the group running the child care. It just has to be co located. So moving on to residential districts. You'll also note that we did expand the number of p's for permitted in this section, and this is largely due to some of the other kind of controls and mitigating factors we've added to the code to make sure that these can be compatibly located in our residential areas.

2:49:12 – 2:49:40Speaker 14

So we did make the leap to put p across the board for all of these and we'll kinda talk about those mitigating circumstances moving forward. And I would add that homeowner association policies can override city code in this case. So if a homeowner's association does not want childcare in their proximity, they can implement, those rules within their bylaws. So

2:49:40Speaker 3

Councilman Casey.

2:49:42Speaker 5

Thank you, madam president. Can you go back one slide, please? So those ones at the bottom there, those are not home based then, or are they?

2:49:49Speaker 14

No. These are our commercial childcare. This we are not changing any of the home daycares through this ordinance.

2:49:58Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

2:49:59Speaker 3

Councilman Rainey.

2:50:01 – 2:50:23Speaker 9

Thank you, madam president. How are we communicating that to the HOAs? I I just wanna make sure that there's no butting ahead where, you know, someone can say, hey. Well, the city said x. Well, the HOA is telling me something different than which one overrides which. To your point, it is the HOA that can override, but how are we communicating that out to all the HOAs?

2:50:24 – 2:51:06Speaker 14

So so it's the HOA's prerogative to enforce, of course, their own bylaws. The city does anytime we get a pre application meeting, we try to inform our applicants that they should be checking with their HOAs for any kind of restrictions or prohibitions, design requirements, things like that. So we really put that on the applicants to make those checks because since the city does not have the ability to enforce that, we don't have the ability to kind of catalog and, you know, keep up with what every HOA in the city is doing. We ask that all of our applicants check if they have an HOA and what they might restrict.

2:51:06Speaker 9

So as the applicant's responsibility. Absolutely. Right. Thank you. Mhmm.

2:51:13 – 2:51:50Speaker 14

So moving back to residential zones. The retool project that took place in 2023, at the time it was intending to expand similar to the table we just saw where residential districts would allow certain childcare facilities. That, of course, did not happen at the time. And because of that, we do have about 40 different childcare facilities that are legally nonconforming. This is where a lot of the applications City Council and City Planning Commission have seen childcare applications come through.

2:51:50 – 2:52:54Speaker 14

There are these legal nonconforming situations where there are no other abilities to expand without having to go through those applications. So a lot of these changes we're proposing are to fix some of those difficulties and to alleviate some of the expense and time that are required to get these applications approved. So that is kind of a big part of why we are doing this from a staff perspective and from input from some of the applicants we've had in the past. With that being said, of course, we do understand that there's a lot of concerns around compatibility, safety, neighborhood protection, and things like that, which is why we are including a requirement for commercial childcare to only be allowed to use a non residential street as their primary access point. So this exempts many, many properties from being allowed to have commercial childcare on certain properties in the city.

2:52:54 – 2:53:42Speaker 14

And I do have a map example coming up. Residential streets are defined by city traffic. So this is a kind of hard, delineated street type that we do have maps, that are publicly available that anyone can see which types of streets are located where so that they can check to see if a childcare would be permitted near them or if they are an applicant trying to find a location that would be acceptable. And I've included some information on how the city defines residential street here. But that is our like lowest traffic type roadways with the shortest kind of width streets here in the city besides say in an unimproved alley.

2:53:45 – 2:54:18Speaker 14

So there are a lot of locations here in the city that are zoned residential that are not on residential streets. So for instance you went to Centennial Nevada 19th. A lot of these are not they have sections that are zoned residential. They're nonresidential streets, and these are the types of locations where we most often will see legally nonconforming childcare. To me, because I live on the West Side, the Ruth Washburn School is the most obvious example on 19th Street.

2:54:19 – 2:55:09Speaker 14

They are legally nonconforming currently in their location. So it's examples like this why we feel that having the permitted use for childcare in these zones makes sense when you add in the nonresidential street requirements. Plus, in addition to that, it does encourage more child care to be located on the periphery of neighborhoods where they're going to be accessible to families who need them while also not impacting as much say on a residential cul de sac. So having that kind of convenient location with a little bit less impact. And attached here, we got a snip of our residential I'm sorry.

2:55:09 – 2:55:35Speaker 14

Our street map. This is the old North End area kinda near Colorado College. The green streets are all residential streets, so it kinda gives you an idea of all of the different locations that may not ever be permitted to have childcare. And I would say even this is probably not the best example because if you look in other areas of the city you're going to see even more green than you would here.

2:55:38Speaker 2

Yeah, that's okay.

2:55:39Speaker 8

I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at it but what you're trying to show here.

2:55:45 – 2:56:15Speaker 14

I know it's a little hard to tell but the green lines on different streets those represent the residential street type and then all of the other colors represent collectors, minor arterials, and major arterials. So if you take out all of those green lines and all those green streets, those are all the areas that could not allow childcare because of the use specific standard city planning is proposing.

2:56:15Speaker 8

So just the green but the light blue, dark blue, and pink all could?

2:56:18 – 2:57:01Speaker 14

All could. Yes. And I should clarify, the residential streets cannot be the primary access. So in the case of, you know, corner lots where you might be say, let's see, what's a good example, Columbia and North Nevada. If you were on the corner, you could potentially still have a childcare there because your primary access could be a nonresidential street. So our intent is to make sure that, you know, say a Briargate neighborhood could not have a childcare at the end of their cul de sac. Those are the types of situations we're trying to avoid, but say in the old North End where we have these

2:57:01Speaker 8

There is in fact a major childcare on Nevada at about the location

2:57:04Speaker 7

that you mentioned. Probably why

2:57:06 – 2:57:44Speaker 14

I was thinking of it. So this is just kind of to show an example of kind of the types of restrictions that that use specific standard can have on this use type. And then finally, I know there's been a lot of concern from the community around the potential for conversions of residential properties into daycares. There are a lot of controls within code already that make this pretty challenging, would say. So anytime you're converting a use from one use type to another, so for instance, commercial use to residential, residential, industrial, things like that.

2:57:45 – 2:58:11Speaker 14

You are required to submit a development plan for review. It's considered a major modification and that then triggers all of the current code requirements for that use type. So that includes things like parking. It includes landscape buffers. It includes appropriate ingress, egress, all of the normal things we would look at for any new build here in the city.

2:58:12 – 2:58:44Speaker 14

So that would be a requirement should that ever occur and would be a major control for the neighborhood because it would require public notice. It would be appealable. It would have all of these checks and balances we would see for a normal application. So in the case that this were to ever happen, the neighborhoods would be informed and have the ability to be a part of that conversation. And then finally, I'm gonna leave off with couple of notes from our Planning Commission meeting as well as some conversations we've had since then.

2:58:45 – 2:59:28Speaker 14

So we did get some input from some neighborhood groups mostly concerned about where large and small could occur. They did provide some suggestions here on the slide. I won't read them because I know we're getting close to lunchtime. But there were some concerns with that as well as not all neighborhoods having HOAs that do restrict childcare or the HOA maybe not having included them but their bylaws already, as well as concerns with traffic, noise, parking, things like that, especially because a lot of childcare requires parents to walk their children into the facilities. So they're worried about some of the parking impacts, especially in the case of the old North End examples.

2:59:28 – 3:00:03Speaker 14

Planning commission generally found all of the, proposals acceptable. They found from their own lived experience that a lot of these perceived impacts might not be as scary as maybe they are made out to be. So they did approve this unanimously in April. Since City Planning Commission, we did talk to some of the neighborhood groups about their concerns. And while I don't wanna say that we've addressed all of them or they're completely happy with the ordinance that's currently written, they are generally a lot more comfortable than they were at the time of planning commission.

3:00:03 – 3:00:24Speaker 14

So that's pretty much the presentation I have for you. I will say this slide is incorrect because the hearing will actually be on the next meeting for this item, which will be May 26, and then the second reading will just be a second reading to finalize the ordinance.

3:00:24Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjum.

3:00:26 – 3:00:47Speaker 8

Thank you Madam President. So I think you pretty much answered the question I was gonna have about the neighborhoods and I know that in particular the old North End was very vocal about this. Mhmm. So it sounds like most of their concerns were addressed. And are you or should we expect any large number of opposition to show up at the at the first reading of this?

3:00:47 – 3:01:06Speaker 14

I don't expect a large opposition. I do expect we'll probably have some speakers. They are probably not necessarily fully on board with every aspect of the ordinance, but much more comfortable after understanding how the development plan, all the pre application checks, all of that kind of

3:01:07 – 3:01:42Speaker 8

behind the scenes administrative processes work. Great. That's great. And I would say interestingly, that happens to be my neighborhood. It's created a very interesting conversation among the current board of the Old North End and others who live in the neighborhood who disagree with the board's position and are actually quite supportive of this change. Maybe that's a conversation for another time. But it it it's it's been an interesting and I think ultimately positive conversation for that neighborhood.

3:01:42Speaker 14

to hear it. Councilman

3:01:46 – 3:02:10Speaker 5

Thank you, Madam President. Can you go back to table seven, the residential one? Just trying to understand. So let's just take an example of R one six. So we're talking residential 6,000 square foot lots. That's homes, though. We're not talking about homes. Are there, I guess, instances of neighborhoods that have that zoning, that have additional buildings that are not homes in that zoning?

3:02:10 – 3:02:57Speaker 14

There are some very, very rare situations in the city where we have r one six, r two, other residential zone districts where the zoning is residential, but there are, you know, previous conversions where the the property is legally nonconforming or they went through the process of getting a commercial use. And at the time, you know, it allowed for that. So so the occasions where we are looking at making these permitted by right with the requirement of it being on a nonresidential street, These situations we have in mind are more for these neighborhood periphery types of situations. So

3:02:58Speaker 5

So stuff that should be like MXN or something along those lines?

3:03:01Speaker 14

Something that if we were to zone it now without having to, you know, go through the exercise of rezoning, in theory, it should be

3:03:09Speaker 5

So could be like a home that was converted. I think we had one not too long ago, planning commission. It was a home converted into, you know, a commercial use. Is that what we're looking at here?

3:03:19 – 3:03:55Speaker 14

Exactly. That's the kind of situations we had in mind for this change. So so we don't expect, like I said, a lot of conversions from a residential home to a child care facility by this ordinance change because we know that the protections we've built in through the other aspects of the code and as well as the existing code through the development plan section, we know that making those conversions in a residential neighborhood, unless it's these kind of unique oddball scenarios, is very unlikely.

3:04:01Speaker 3

I think that's it, Allison.

3:04:02Speaker 14

Alrighty. So yes. I expect you'll probably want to hear this on new business for May 26.

3:04:09 – 3:04:50Speaker 3

Yes. Perfect. I heard yes. So this will not be on consent. Councilman Lineweber, do you have any? I see your face. Are you good? He's good. And I don't see any other thumbs up. I just seen that pop up, I wanted to make sure. Okay. Thank you so much. We still have two if not three more items left so we are going to break for lunch. We are back in session at 01:03. Will the clerk please read item eight I into the record?

3:04:51Speaker 4

A resolution approving an amendment to the home slash ARP allocation plan for submittal to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development.

3:04:59 – 3:05:21Speaker 1

Amy. Good afternoon President Crowe Iverson, members of council. I'm here before you to talk about the HOME ARP allocation plan, the substantial amendment to that plan. Before I get started though, I wanna recognize, Arti Lell who's in the audience here. He's the new executive director for the Colorado Springs Housing Authority.

3:05:22 – 3:05:50Speaker 1

He would be a strong participant in this plan. And I just have to say that strong PHAs are really, really important to addressing the affordable housing needs in our community as we saw earlier in Jill Gabler's presentation. So I'm really excited about the vision and the expertise that Arty is bringing to our community. So thank you for being here, Arty. I also wanna recognize Barb Van Hoy who's an analyst in our department who's responsible for preparing these documents that we're gonna go through.

3:05:54Speaker 1

Wrong thing. Here we go. So I'm gonna start by giving you an overview of HOME ARP. This is another HUD program. Why an amendment is needed.

3:06:03 – 3:06:55Speaker 1

We're gonna review that proposed amendment, review the process and timeline, and then I'm available, of course, to answer questions for you. So the city received about 5,750,000 through the American Rescue Plan in 2021 and it's administered through the Home Partners Investment Partnerships Program which is one of the entitlement programs that the city manages. The American Rescue Plan was established to address the impact of COVID on housing stability and homelessness across The United States. And the funds address homelessness assistance and supportive services and this includes things like rental housing and non congregate shelter which we'll talk about because those will be some of the adjustments we're asking to make. The funds must be fully expended with projects closed out by 09/30/2030.

3:06:55 – 3:07:09Speaker 1

So we're on a fairly short timeline for large capital improvement projects. This allocation plan, all HOME funds as you know require an action plan. The allocation plan for

3:07:09Speaker 11

the HOME ARP was part of

3:07:11 – 3:07:59Speaker 1

the 2021 annual action plan and changes to that allocation plan require a substantial amendment. And the substantial amendment process is covered in our city's citizen participation plan. It requires public comment, a public hearing, and city council approval which is why you're seeing this. So the eligible activities in home ERP are affordable rental housing. This includes single family, multifamily, transitional housing, tenant based rental assistance which is rental subsidies to eligible households, supportive services which include things like case management and housing counseling, non congregate shelter acquisition and development, and this can be either for emergency shelter or permanent supportive housing.

3:08:00 – 3:08:47Speaker 1

And it's important to note that those non congregate shelter units would have to be designed to be permanent supportive housing. So we require kitchens, etcetera. Nonprofit operating and capacity building, and these are funds for organizations that are expected to receive home ARP funds, and there's a cap on of 5% on funds that can be awarded for operating and capacity building, and there are administrative planning dollars to pay for the costs of overseeing this program. The qualifying populations are homeless, so folks who are literally homeless, at risk of homelessness, fleeing domestic violence in other populations. There's always a catchall in there and it's all covered by a CFR.

3:08:50 – 3:09:12Speaker 1

This is intended to show you the current allocation in our allocation plan. We're gonna cover this again in another slide. Important to note here that acquisition and development was originally slated for 20%, not 2% of the grant. And development of affordable housing was programmed for 50% of the funds. That was where the majority of the funds were put.

3:09:13 – 3:09:50Speaker 1

We tend to always plan to spend the entire 15% or entire cap for administration and planning. So that's why you see that at 15%. So why do we need an amendment? I'm gonna start by saying the environment has changed since 2021, 2022 when we received these funds. The programs awarded funding under the previous administration, many of those have been rolled back under the current administration with a focus on returning people to permanent stability and self sufficiency.

3:09:50 – 3:10:38Speaker 1

So we'll see things, especially in this case, the Emergency Housing Voucher Program for example, which helped over a 100 households who were formerly homeless access housing. Those funds were expected to be provided through 2030 and those were rolled back to end in 2026. So we have, right now we have about 80 households losing their emergency housing vouchers early who are at very high risk of returning to homelessness without some additional support. When we received these funds, we were committed to non congregate shelter because that had been a way of protecting health and safety during COVID. What we found was that the $1,100,000 we were making available was just a drop in the bucket to provide that kind of support.

3:10:38 – 3:11:32Speaker 1

And we met for a couple of years with different groups to try and identify, especially around medical respite and such, some emergency facilities that we could partner to build and we just did not find partners who could come up with the balance of the capital as well as the operating costs. And as I said the requirements there were very restrictive in terms of how those rooms needed to be constructed with kitchens and bathrooms so they could be converted to permanent supportive housing. There's also a limited capacity for affordable rental development in our community with these funds. Home ARP is a gap and so projects must come with a full capital stack. And as we saw again, Jill Gabler's presentation today with the Pikes Peak Housing Network, there's a real need for housing at 60% and less.

3:11:32 – 3:12:29Speaker 1

And this is typically housing for people who are earning less than 30 percent of the area median income. These projects also must meet home regulations so they have to be folks have to have the capacity to manage these funds. So we're proposing to reallocate to meet the current and demonstrated community need with organizations that have the capacity to deliver on schedule and then efficiently utilize this funding and get it expended and closed out by September 2030. So in summary, we're asking to remove funding for non congregate shelter, reduce funding for rental housing development, increase funding for tenant based rental assistance, update them, And I'm gonna pause there actually because this is the real impetus. We talked about this 80 per these 80 households that are at risk of losing their housing.

3:12:29 – 3:13:12Speaker 1

The proposal here is to provide those households with temporary rental assistance and case management support to help them make the transition so they don't just immediately lose their housing. This would require support from the Colorado Springs Housing Authority who would administer that rental assistance. That's one of their many areas of expertise. And then the investment in case management support, housing navigation support to get people permanently housed and stabilized. I think one of the, probably one of the greatest gaps with, you know, hindsight being 2020 was when we placed folks in those emergency housing vouchers.

3:13:12 – 3:13:38Speaker 1

We didn't have robust case management for them to ensure that they were making a transition. So this follows that I think, what was anticipated which was that we would help people transition from homelessness into stability over time. So we're gonna do that. This also requires that we update the method of project selection. It would include direct awards.

3:13:39 – 3:14:54Speaker 1

Currently, we are our plan says that we would do all of this as a competitive process but we know that, for example, the Colorado Springs Housing Authority is the only entity currently capable of administering rental assistance of this kind, so we have to update our project selection criteria to allow for direct awards. And then finally we do have a one affordable housing project, a transitional project that we're really excited about with Family Life Services that we've been working with them to convert their facility from nine units to 19 units. In order to do that, we have to ask for a limitation on those qualifying populations to focus on limit the people served to those fleeing domestic violence. Typically, projects will require a housing project would require that it be available to any of the qualifying populations unless this limitation is approved. So we're asking for this limitation to serve women with children fleeing domestic violence, and this is due to the prevalence of domestic violence in our community and the short of shortage of resources for those families, and that's identified.

3:14:54 – 3:15:26Speaker 1

That data was added to the substantial amendment. So this is what it looks like now. We would increase funding for supportive services to be able to provide additional case management. And we could do it for this program and potentially for other programs across the community to try and get more people exited from homelessness who are sort of stuck right now. We would significantly increase that tenant based rental assistance.

3:15:26 – 3:16:06Speaker 1

We would reduce development of affordable rental housing. We've only been able to identify one project at this point that has the capacity to utilize these funds. We would increase our nonprofit operating to support that nonprofit provider, reducing our capacity building, and reducing our administration and planning to be able to provide those case management services. So the process is there's a thirty day public comment period for this substantial amendment that began April 24. We are here before you today in work session.

3:16:06 – 3:16:21Speaker 1

We will be back for a public hearing and a vote on May 26, submission to HUD, and then we select projects and execute contracts. And that is the that concludes this presentation. I'm happy to answer questions.

3:16:21Speaker 4

Councilman Hinjim.

3:16:22Speaker 8

Thank you Madam President. And Amy could you go back like two slides I

3:16:29 – 3:17:07Speaker 8

Yeah right there. So just to restate maybe a little more simply, make sure I understand. So this money has to be spent by 2030. Yes. There's no way of knowing. It seems unlikely, but there's no way of knowing if other money like this will become available in the future. Right. So we have to use it in a really targeted way to address immediate needs. Correct. So I think that's important to recognize that when 2030 rolls around, I guess we'll deal with that when we get there.

3:17:08 – 3:18:04Speaker 8

But it goes a little bit to, and I totally support the thinking and the logic of really focusing on keeping people housed, but also more importantly maybe ensuring that that case management is provided so that we don't just keep them in there but we're not helping to make sure that they can stay in those residences. So I guess that gets to maybe a question about, well maybe it doesn't, I'm just looking at the capacity building in particular and recognizing that this is short term money and we don't really know what will happen. We'll maybe really hopefully serve 80 individuals or families from not ever becoming homeless but what beyond that?

3:18:04 – 3:18:48Speaker 1

So let me clarify there. So the tenant based rental assistance and the case management are to move those 80 households. About 61 reside with the Colorado Springs Housing Authority. You saw the balance are with Homeward Pikes Peak. So that's what the purpose of those dollars is. The capacity building and the development of affordable rental housing is to support a transitional housing program that would serve 19 families, women with children. And the program has a success rate of about ninety two percent of the people who graduate from that program are housed are still housed three years later. So that's where the operating dollars will be utilized.

3:18:48Speaker 4

Okay, thank you.

3:18:49Speaker 3

Yep. Councilman Rady.

3:18:54 – 3:19:26Speaker 9

Thank you Madam President. And to piggyback on my colleague's comment, because that's one of the areas just kinda zoned in on the slide also. What is your thought process moving into 2027 on looking at these numbers? I mean, we gonna try to go back and make some additional adjustments? Or while I understand this is a one time adjustment, have you already started thinking through, okay, how do we go back and kinda course correct for making this one time adjustment?

3:19:27 – 3:19:44Speaker 1

So this this one time adjustment is to do the course correction. It is to take advantage of an urgent need and we've done the math on the potential rental assistance that's needed and the case management. So this should allow us to fully expend the balance of funds by 2030.

3:19:45 – 3:20:10Speaker 1

'2 So that's what this yeah. And this is yeah. These are very rather than when we receive these dollars, we often go out and communicate, right? We work with our community and we identify what projects might be available. We've spent a couple of years trying to find projects that actually match the funding the way we initially allocated those dollars and we were unable to find projects to utilize all those funds.

3:20:11 – 3:20:32Speaker 1

So that's why we're now adjusting and trying to take care of what we see as an immediate need. That also I believe meets the intent of the new administration to help people help people who are workable and such to move from support to greater stability and permanency.

3:20:34Speaker 3

Councilman Lineweber.

3:20:41 – 3:21:10Speaker 6

I just wanna make sure that there's clarity around this, and we're really just talking about not losing money that we we can have. This is by no means, solving homelessness. This this is really I mean, I'm trying to think of, like, percentage wise or whatever. This this maybe is 10% of what we probably need. Maybe?

3:21:10 – 3:21:28Speaker 6

I mean, I'm just, like, spitballing it. Give me some just you can give me a educated guess about in terms of our homeless situation and problem that we have, how much how much is this actually going to fit, you know, help with?

3:21:30 – 3:22:40Speaker 1

Councilman Lineweber Lineweber is a great partner in this work. I actually don't have a number that I can give you about that but what I can tell you is that it's $2,400,000 to provide rental assistance to about 80 people over a period of two years. So that's 80, I should say not people, but 80 households over two years plus the case management support which is probably gonna be in the range 400 to $500,000 So it's expensive. Once people become homeless, this gets very expensive. So our goal here is to help people achieve stability so that we don't have those ongoing costs for those 80 But yeah, need, our community needs to look at how do we expand these kinds of programs to prevent people from becoming homeless in the first place and then to help more folks exit who are stuck in our system right now.

3:22:40Speaker 6

Tell me what was the point in time count?

3:22:44Speaker 1

Last year it was 1745.

3:22:48 – 3:23:18Speaker 6

So we're talking 80 versus 1,000 That's really my point. We're talking 80, and yet we did a count of seventeen and forty five. So this really isn't this we're gonna be very thankful for these dollars, and we should use every single one that we have. No question. Thank you.

3:23:19 – 3:23:44Speaker 6

But we we've got a we still have a bigger problem than is realized. And I I I I don't want people who might be listening to this going, oh, wow. We've got a great homeless solution. No, we don't. We've got a long ways to go still to really figure out our homeless problem. And I guess that's what I want to try to highlight here. I mean you can't disagree with that, right?

3:23:45 – 3:24:40Speaker 1

Absolutely not. And just more information will be forthcoming, but the City of Colorado Springs and the Pikes Peak United Way have recently partnered to bring greater collaboration within what's called our continuum of care which is the group of stakeholders in our community committed to preventing and ending homelessness here. And I think you will actually see in the next few months greater mobilization around regional planning, better use of data to begin to get to these numbers and better strategies. But I will tell you what I like about this is that it models what it means to provide people with temporary rental assistance and help them move to greater self sufficiency and longer term stability.

3:24:41 – 3:25:04Speaker 6

Well, think that's the ultimate goal that we need to be paying more and more attention to is outcomes. Who who is who's winning the fight and making sure we're supporting those programs, versus just whatever is out there. So I think that's key, and I know you're particularly focused on outcomes, and so that's going to be key as we move forward. Thank you.

3:25:04 – 3:25:50Speaker 1

Yeah, thank you, and I just want to just make one final comment with that. You know in the past we have had we have not had the level of cooperation from our our housing authority as we have now to support things like rapid rehousing or this tenant based rental assistance. And so I'm really excited about the opportunities that are open now that the experts in delivering these kinds of dollars in our community are at the table with us and trying to identify how do we solve this how do we solve these problems and provide people with just the right resource amount of resource they need to successful, not just put people into permanent housing vouchers or emergency housing vouchers and then, you know, wait and see.

3:25:53Speaker 4

Councilman Hinjem.

3:25:54 – 3:26:28Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. Amy, I'm glad you mentioned the the housing authority because that was gonna be my kind of final question or request, Arty of you as well, that maybe not right now because this is a very specific item that we'll be voting on, but perhaps a work session with Ardi, with the housing authority. Since I've been on council, I'm fairly confident that we've never had a presentation from the housing authority board. In fact, quite honestly, felt like a black hole where we've called and tried to get support and it's been frustrating.

3:26:28Speaker 6

I'd be more than honored.

3:26:31Speaker 8

If it's all right with the President to come up for just a moment, but I I do think having, having you all present at a work session in the future might be really helpful. So thanks.

3:26:43 – 3:27:25Speaker 3

I don't see any other questions or comments at this time, Amy, but I will say that, myself and councilman Gold are the liaisons to the CDAC. So we've already seen this, and the making of it, and, you know, me as the fiscal conservative could not have thought of a better way to stack these dollars. I am you know, a 100% keeping people off street is the cheapest, invested, high use of the dollar. So I commend you for taking these dollars and putting them to where you there's not that many. I get it. But I think we will see outcomes with this. I think you'll be able to measure them this way because you're actually being able to track and the recidivism is huge. So I commend you for that with the little dollars that you have that I think you've done a great job.

3:27:30Speaker 3

Moving on to item eight j. Will the clerk please read item eight j into the record?

3:27:39Speaker 4

An ordinance amending multiple sections of article three code of ethics of chapter one administration personnel finance. The code of the city of Colorado has reached 2,001 as amended pertaining to the code of ethics.

3:27:51Speaker 3

Good afternoon, Carly.

3:27:53Speaker 20

Hi. Good afternoon, counsel. I'm Carly Hoff, senior legislative analyst. I'm gonna kick it off to Councilmember Risley here first and then I'll get into my presentation.

3:28:00 – 3:28:29Speaker 12

That's great. Thanks Carly. Yeah, just wanted to make a few comments before Carly's presentation just to kind of frame this in terms of where this is coming from from my perspective. Recently I've had numerous conversations with constituents that have repeatedly expressed their concern over the inappropriate use of city resources for personal purposes. Many of those conversations have been with members of the Department of Defense or military, both retired or active duty.

3:28:29 – 3:29:50Speaker 12

A number of those folks have indicated that had they used city resources in a way consistent with the use from our mayor recently that they likely would have lost their jobs. And there's just this reoccurring theme that ethically the use of resources for personal purposes is just wrong, and just because you can do it doesn't mean that you should. I've heard some concern that councils should be focused on matters that are maybe bigger issues or that really drive affordability, housing affordability, cost of living, and so forth, you know, in an environment here where people are struggling to put food on the table, struggling to put gas in their cars, But knowing that this is costing the city hundreds of thousands of dollars in in the way that resources are being used, I think it is a significant issue, excuse me, and one that should definitely be addressed by this body. That aside, you know, as I understand it, according to the risk management department, city officials may be insured for using city vehicles, but their spouses are not. And we know of one instance when that occurred, and so the insurance exposure alone to the city, God forbid that there was an accident, could be in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars.

3:29:50 – 3:30:21Speaker 12

So I think this really is a big deal and something that's worth talking about. We all know that the mayor recently issued an administrative regulation to try to address the use of of city resources. In my view, that is not responsive to the comments that came from the city auditor's office because it specifically said that the city code was lacking in any sort of definition around these types of uses. And obviously an administrative regulation, which is basically a policy, does nothing to change code. What can change code is the legislative body.

3:30:21 – 3:31:13Speaker 12

That's us. And so I believe I I really feel that it's incumbent on us as a legislative body to make changes to the code, and with Carly's assistance and the assistance of the city attorney's office, I'm bringing forward, some changes to the code of ethics that that does that. The other thing that I want to point out is that as I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong, an administrative regulation being issued by the executive branch really only can address the executive branch. It can't address the actions or or have any impact over the other branches of government such as as our body at the legislative branch. So in reality, even though it may say that this has some purview over city council, I don't believe it actually does, whereas plugging a hole through code, through an ordinance, would address the situation for members of council, not not just us, but in the future as well.

3:31:13 – 3:31:39Speaker 12

And finally, I don't think that the policy put forth by the administration really has any teeth. It's a policy. If somebody violates that policy, there are, as far as I can tell, no implications and really no consequences for not following a policy. Again, I'm looking at this from a long term perspective. This is not just about the current administration and current counsel.

3:31:39 – 3:31:50Speaker 12

about plugging a hole that the auditor has identified going forward. And so with that, Carly, please feel free to present the proposed changes.

3:31:53 – 3:32:22Speaker 20

why are these changes being proposed? The office of the completed their audit report that was twenty six zero three involving allegations regarding the use of city resources by elected officials. The review identified three a couple different areas where we needed to address, the use of city funded security and the city owned vehicles by elected officials. The audit committee recommended a clear and enforceable standards governing elected officials' use of city resources. What's the purpose of updating code?

3:32:23 – 3:32:55Speaker 20

To clarify standards, use of city resources by elected officials, to establish clear regulations regarding city funded security, and establish clear regulations regarding city owned vehicles, and additionally to strengthen transparency and accountability within the code of ethics for elected officials. So I did print out an ordinance for each of you at the dais there that you can look through and follow. I'm just gonna go through each section that has been added. So that first section is section thirteen one zero two definitions. So you can see the added definition there was elected officials, which states the mayor and members of city council.

3:32:55 – 3:33:25Speaker 20

Another added definition was resources of the city. This is funds, assets, or any other resources owned, controlled, or otherwise used or employed by the city. Any activity by an individual who acts on city time or any activity by an individual who acts or purports to act in their capacity with the city constitutes the use of resources of the city. The next section you can see here the bolded language is what was added. So it existed prior to that.

3:33:25 – 3:33:58Speaker 20

That's section thirteen one hundred eight in sanctions clarified the censure language. So censure is a formal official reprimand by the city council of one of its members or the mayor was the addition to that section. Then 13,113 conflicts of interest or confidential information. So again that bolded area is going be the additions to the added prohibition. So no covered persons or their immediate family members shall misappropriate services or other resources of the city for personal benefit for elected officials and their immediate family members.

3:33:59 – 3:34:35Speaker 20

And then here below is the two additional sections that were added to address the standards for city funded security. One, it is not a violation of this section to use city funded security for official duties or for personal activities where reasonable security risks exist as determined by the Colorado Springs chief of police or designee. Elected officials and their immediate family members may not use city funded security for personal errands unrelated to safety. And then two, city owned vehicles will be used for official purposes only and should not be used for personal errands. City owned vehicles will only be operated by an elected official unless operation is necessary to support repairs or maintenance.

3:34:35 – 3:34:59Speaker 20

City vehicles will only be used to transport passengers who are elected officials, city employees, or individuals engaged in official business within the city. So that completes my update on what has been changed within the code of ethics. If this were to move forward, the next steps would be regular meeting on May 26 for first reading and then the regular meeting on June 9 for second reading. I'm happy to answer any questions.

3:35:00Speaker 3

Councilman Casey.

3:35:02 – 3:35:38Speaker 5

Thank you, madam president. Can you go back to the, the language, the two paragraphs? Think it was yeah. Right there. So I just the first time I read this on, part c two, city owned vehicles will only be operated by elected officials unless operations necessary support I think what we're trying to say is that no family members, but it comes I'm just thinking of, well, don't want the elected official who's got security detachment driving the vehicle. So is that I was just looking. City owned vehicles will only be operated by elected officials or city employees. To me, that made it a little clear, but I is there a different reading of that that I'm not getting?

3:35:39Speaker 20

I will defer to council member Risley or to the city attorney's office.

3:35:45 – 3:36:15Speaker 12

Yeah. I think council member Casey, you and I briefly discussed this, and and I think the intent is to prevent family members from using vehicles. I think if we need to change the language to allow city staff, I think we can. However, I would also point out that the current code of ethics and current policy manual allows city employees to operate vehicles. So the distinction here is the difference between an elected official and a family member.

3:36:17 – 3:36:28Speaker 5

Yeah. When I look at because these are one and two are subparagraphs of, I think, paragraph c where it just talks about for elected officials and their family members. If if you read it from that perspective, it's a little clearer. But okay.

3:36:29Speaker 12

And the sorry.

3:36:31 – 3:36:46Speaker 12

change I might offer, and and again, council member Rainey, you may be wanting to speak about this one, but I I think the term personal errands, I I think you had some changes about that terminology, personal activities, or you wanted to use a different a different word there.

3:36:47 – 3:37:07Speaker 9

Yeah, thank you for that comment. My recommendation would be literally just to, very administrative in nature, is just instead of saying personal errands, to say personal use. That was my only per hour conversation. That was my only request in in that particular language.

3:37:10Speaker 3

Councilman Hinjem.

3:37:13 – 3:37:42Speaker 8

Yeah. Thank you, madam president. I I had a question about that, the language in number two. And I don't know if I can repeat what was just stated about the difference in this versus what's in city policy, but my understanding is that primarily the the car that is used by the mayor, he's often driven by a security detail in that Is that correct? Do I understand that correctly?

3:37:44Speaker 2

I would have to defer over either to the Chief

3:37:46Speaker 20

of Staff or City Attorney.

3:37:58Speaker 13

I pushed that. I pushed the button. So She

3:38:04Speaker 3

asked you question. You can answer.

3:38:06Speaker 13

Okay, thanks. Just trying to make sure I follow protocol. It

3:38:09Speaker 3

doesn't come up.

3:38:10Speaker 13

Okay. I have a number of responses that I wish to provide at some point, but in direct answer to that question, those are two separate vehicles to the best of my knowledge.

3:38:18 – 3:38:51Speaker 8

Okay, they are separate vehicles. Okay. I guess actually in my question that I did want to ask was if the Chief of Staff could speak to the policy that was drafted and signed by the mayor, how it relates or not, is or is not in conflict with this ordinance, and also if you could please share some of the research that you've done related to other cities around this kind of policy.

3:38:52 – 3:39:15Speaker 13

Be happy to, sir. Can you pull up my PowerPoint, please? So we didn't have a lot of notice. This was not discussed in the agenda prep, so I apologize that folks don't have a copy of this since it wasn't finalized by me till a few minutes ago. And Carly, you can sit down Just far like, yeah, just stop

3:39:18 – 3:40:06Speaker 13

So, let me explain where we are and first, the quote actually in the PowerPoint was not completely accurate. The first PowerPoint you saw. It says, the Audit Committee strongly recommends that the administration for the city of Colorado Springs establish a clear and enforceable policy concerning elected officials' use of city resources, specifically including police detail and use of city vehicles to ensure transparency, accountability, and consistency. So that's what the actual audit report says, is that the administration is charged for developing a policy, which is exactly what I began to do within the first week of being selected as chief of staff. So at the April 27 work session two weeks ago, deputy city manager Travis Easton advised counsel that we were working on that policy.

3:40:06 – 3:40:38Speaker 13

Next slide, please. So this is the beginning of the policy. You'll note legal authority, I'm gonna go into that, for city charters four ten, four forty, and 1.2314. As many of you are aware, things have changed significantly over the last few years with respect to threats and actual violence with respect to elected officials. I can count on one hand the number of instances I remember for fifty years going after the president.

3:40:38 – 3:41:08Speaker 13

We've had I can't even count the number that have gone after our current president, both as a political candidate and as a president. Charlie Kirk, who's been recognized by this council for his sacrifice and his work, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, even a state representative and her husband. So lest we think that this only applies to the actual elected officials themselves. Next slide. So let's look at the actual city charter.

3:41:09 – 3:41:41Speaker 13

First, the city charter provides that the mayor shall possess, have, and exercise all the executive administrative powers granted to the city. And next slide. And the mayor shall be responsible for all executive administrative affairs of the city except those reserved to counsel herein. Mayor shall direct and supervise the administration of all all departments, divisions, office offices, agencies of the city. So that includes both the police department, which is in charge of security, and it includes fleet, which is part of city administration.

3:41:41 – 3:42:18Speaker 13

So to say that the mayor has no authority to do this is flatly contradicted by the city charter. Next slide. And then city code follows this up with the merits shall have power to promulgate administrative regulations concerning matters that are applicable to all municipal operations, all municipal operations, including departments, divisions, agencies, and municipal enterprises. Next slide. So as we began the task we were charged with by the Audit Committee and authorized by the city charter and the city code, I began to do some research.

3:42:18 – 3:42:56Speaker 13

And you have a recent report found in the Police Executive Research Forum, which specifically said that police agencies should strive to have a corps team assigned to executive protection full time with a reserve of trained officers available to support the core team when needed. Next slide, please. So, I then began to contact other chief executive officers and the staff of those offices of similar entities. So, the mayor of Denver. So, I spoke to the Denver Police Department as well as the deputy chief of staff for Denver.

3:42:56 – 3:43:20Speaker 13

The Colorado State Patrol talked to a major there, and that's with respect to security provided to the governor and with respect to security provided to the secretary of state. By the way, that level of security has changed since I served as Secretary of State. There were not as many threats. There have actually been convictions for threats against the current Secretary of State. Next slide.

3:43:20 – 3:43:46Speaker 13

Or at least one conviction. So, this is what Denver Denver, by the way, has an entire executive security unit overseen by a sergeant. There are always two officers. We do this much more leanly in Colorado Springs, usually with a single officer. And this is a direct quote from the email from the sergeant, that it's understood that they take care of the mayor's family as well.

3:43:47 – 3:44:18Speaker 13

And so, the executive security unit provides constant security during travel out of the city, reporting any criminal acts, etcetera. The way this works is there are two Well, some of the details are protected by security agreements, but there are essentially all day for the entire day the mayor has a security detail. It's not just a single officer. And they accompany the mayor to wherever he may need to go. Next slide.

3:44:20 – 3:45:00Speaker 13

Talking with Colorado State Patrol who provides security for the governor's secretary of state, one of the things they emphasized is the person does not cease to be worthy of protection just because they are doing a personal activity at the time. And so Colorado State Patrol is with the mayor, is with the governor, rather, at soccer games. If the kid's going, if his child is going to a soccer game, they are there. They're not coaching the soccer team, but they are present there. Secretary of state, even when going to political events, has had protection provided by the Colorado State Patrol.

3:45:00 – 3:45:28Speaker 13

So let's so I wanted to find out what the actual context was in the state for similar chief executives. Next. So we adopted a policy, a regulation. This is more strict than what's provided in the existing policy 56 of the PPM, the Personnel and Policies and Procedures Manual. And so since I've cited that, let me actually pull it up.

3:45:28 – 3:45:50Speaker 13

Here's the relevant quote. Next slide. Councilmember appointee who uses a city owned vehicle may use the vehicle for personal as well as business reasons. No limitations, no restrictions. This is not, when I was doing the research initially, I thought that this applied only to some past, but it doesn't.

3:45:50 – 3:46:17Speaker 13

Next slide, please. Because this is the current agreement you have as the city council with the CEO for Colorado Springs Utilities. This is made between the Colorado Springs City Council serving as the board of directors for Colorado Springs Utilities. Utilities shall provide appointee with a motor vehicle for business and personal use. Utilities are responsible for paying for liability, property damage, and comprehensive insurance, vehicles purchased, lease, operation, maintenance, repair of fuel.

3:46:17 – 3:46:53Speaker 13

So to say that this is not done contradicts and is hypocritical because Colorado Springs City Council specifically provides for personal use, both in a personal and policy manual and with a specific contract. Next slide, please. So it's really two aspects of this in terms of where we look at it. One of those is protective detail for elected officials. This is one of the things that the draft ordinance you've been provided with and the policy agree on.

3:46:53 – 3:47:38Speaker 13

It's the police chief that makes these decisions. That's where the authority should rest. I would note in full disclosure, the US Conference of Mayors recommends it be in the mayor's determination, but this is one where we agree the police chief is ultimately who should make that decision of what the risk is. And by the way, that means the police chief may say if a council member is experiencing threats, whether it's at a town hall meeting or elsewhere, that you may need protection, and the police chief may recommend that. So they may choose to use those resources in order to provide protection because, as we've seen, it's not just a chief executive who can have threats regarded there.

3:47:39 – 3:48:14Speaker 13

So, it clarifies, and this is we're more specific than the proposed regulation is, saying that while the security may accompany the elected official to a particular event, if it's of a personal nature, they will just be there to provide security. They won't do any of the personal tasks. They won't choose, carry, unload, or unload groceries, but they will be there solely to provide security. And that's the purpose, and that's what the police chief is authorized to do. Next slide.

3:48:14 – 3:48:58Speaker 13

Free city vehicles. This follows, this is more restrictive than what your personnel policy adopted by city council and more restrictive than what you have provided with respect to the CEO at Colorado Springs Utilities. And this says that if it is, if the trip is outside the city of Colorado Springs or within the city solely for personal purposes, the elected official will reimburse the city at the IRS mileage rate. That requirement's not there for other ones that are there. And then tracks with respect to the IRS fringe benefit, which tracks both the current practice at CSU and consulting with the CFO there.

3:49:00 – 3:49:21Speaker 13

Next slide. Family use. Not permitted to drive except in non exigent circumstances. The reason this is worded, what happens if the person has a medical issue while they're driving to an event? Can someone take over?

3:49:22 – 3:49:56Speaker 13

With respect to insurance, I would note that in Colorado, any drivers required to have insurance, that insurance would still apply. We're working to get the exact details of how the city currently provides insurance, or CSU currently provides insurance. But they are not driving without insurance. So just to clarify, may not be city insurance, it might be personal insurance. You all know this. You've rented cars before. When you rent a car, you're asked, Do you want our insurance? Do you want to keep using your own? That's because your insurance still applies when you're doing that. Next slide.

3:49:57 – 3:51:01Speaker 13

Okay. With respect to the policy, that explains why we adopted the policy we did. Again, this is more stringent than what City Council has in the past accepted and applied and has in contractual agreements. With respect to the other provision of the council ordinance, I am not sure how one group of elected officials censuring another serves any possible purpose other than to reduce the ability of the city to work together for the taxpayers and its citizens. I don't think the mayor writing a letter of reprimand or city council issuing a censure has any practical reason, any practical purpose, you can't strip the mayor of his duties under the city charter.

3:51:02 – 3:51:17Speaker 13

What city council does internally is an entirely different different matter. You may choose to make decisions concerning your own membership. Can this person serve in an office? Can they still serve as vice chair? Whatever the case may be.

3:51:18 – 3:51:50Speaker 13

But I don't see any authority in city code for that. But I think the bigger issue is I don't think it serves the taxpayers to a tit for tat going back and forth. And so that's a separate issue that got thrown into this, not requested, by the way, by the city auditor in any shape or form. But that is why we went through the process. I've been here for a little over two weeks or the three weeks now.

3:51:50 – 3:52:16Speaker 13

And so I saw the report, said you gotta do it, and so we did it. And we let you know we were doing it, and we followed through and done exactly what the audit committee told us to do. So to the extent you don't believe that's responsive, then you disagree with the audit committee recommendation, which said the administration shall issue regulation. So I appreciate the chance to respond, and I am happy to go into more detail if folks need more detail.

3:52:16 – 3:52:46Speaker 8

So thank you, Mr. Williams. I do still have a question that was very helpful. Two questions, really. One is, in your reading of the ordinance, do you see like, what legally would be, subordinate to the other, or is there are they a conflict? The the policy, as you outlined, is, where the authority for that policy comes from with this ordinance. What's the conflict?

3:52:47 – 3:53:11Speaker 13

To the extent city council purports to be able to control the use of the police department, the use of fleet through the adoption of an ordinance, I think you set up a situation where, there may be a legal dispute, which the city attorney's office will have to resolve or, if not, through litigation. But, again, my view is that's not the best use of taxpayer resources. So

3:53:12 – 3:53:56Speaker 8

it's possible, or I would hope, actually I would request, that we evaluate that before this comes to the city council for a vote because I would not not like to get into a legal dispute about this based on what we've all been saying or at least most of us have been saying there's more important ways to spend our time and our money. But to that point, I heard the president pro tem, and I'm very concerned about this, reference that that this might cost hundreds and thousands of dollars to the taxpayer without this ordinance. And I'm I'm kind of just I don't know if you had a reaction to that or, I didn't quite know what the hundreds of thousands of dollar cost would be.

3:53:57 – 3:54:45Speaker 13

I'll let the president pro tem respond, but I'll give my response, which is I don't think that's the case at all. First, insurance is required already, so that aspect of exposure is addressed through Colorado mandatory insurance laws. Second, with respect to the usage, I would say that the mayor's usage has been minimal, and he has chosen to reimburse the city for that in accordance with this policy, even though this policy was not applicable at the time the use occurred. And so, he has gone above and beyond with respect to the requirements of this policy. And, again, looking at that, I don't see how there's a possible claim that that is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

3:54:46Speaker 13

There just isn't the case.

3:54:48 – 3:55:55Speaker 8

Okay. And and I guess at least the the last thing I think I have for now is, I this ordinance written the way it is and without understanding the conflicts and the potential legalities of passing this, I guess I just simply want to say for a position that is not a nine to five job and to be able to have a family, whoever the mayor is or or just have a life in addition to being the mayor, I I would certainly expect and hope that when using security detail when out and about from early morning breakfast till late at night, events for the city that running an errand along the way, for the sake of having a life, and and not having to completely segment your personal business that there would be a way for any mayor or any set of city council member for that matter to be able to conduct their daily life while they're while they're doing their work. I don't know if you have any any thoughts about that, but I just I that's just super important.

3:55:56 – 3:56:47Speaker 13

I appreciate that. I would note that that is the same basis on which Colorado State Patrol and the Denver Police Department operate, is the mayor still needs to be able to operate in his normal life and that possible potential threats exist regardless. I would also note that if you were looking for really specific policies, Denver and the State Patrol have, they have both responded with the same thing, we're not telling you, because that poses a security risk to say, well, this is when the person's gonna be protected and when they're not. If you look at recent events, I'm pretty if I remember right, I think the Minnesota state legislator and her spouse who were killed were not performing an I don't think they're performing an official function at the time. Certainly, have been made.

3:56:49 – 3:57:19Speaker 13

You can argue whether a parade in Dallas is an official function. But certainly, security is provided for other executives under similar circumstances. And so I would say there are several things that are different. First, the threat level has changed, and we've seen that with the state's decision to expand protection beyond the governor to the secretary of state. Again, I used no protection when I was secretary of state, but the threat levels were different.

3:57:20 – 3:57:53Speaker 13

Second thing that's changed is it's much easier to find out people's schedules and where they're gonna be at other times than it used to be. There's not, you know, the Internet provides that. You know, if you look at the training from security, those of you who have taken it, it says don't disclose your location or where you're gonna be. Kinda hard to do that when you're the mayor of Colorado Springs and you're speaking at an event. And that's true whether that event's in the middle of the day or late at night. So thank you.

3:57:55Speaker 3

Councilman Rainey.

3:57:57 – 3:58:34Speaker 9

Thank you, madam president, Chief of staff, Williams, once again, couple questions for clarity. Within your presentation, one of the paragraphs mentioned the recent mayor's conference and, I guess, some conversations that happened there about political violence and protection. Was there some type of guidance that came out of that conference that went, I guess, nationwide on how mayors should move forward when it comes to security details and different security measures, whether you're a small town or a big town?

3:58:35 – 3:58:49Speaker 13

There was. The guidance recommended there always be more than one. We have not implemented that at this time. I will get you a copy of that report, and the U. S.

3:58:49 – 3:59:22Speaker 13

Conference of Mayors recently sent out an indication saying they're happy to provide more details, and so I will forward that when I receive it from them. But I'll send you the if you can go back, Sarah, to I think it's slide three, maybe, as I say. And now I go down to right there. No, next one. Yeah.

3:59:22 – 3:59:35Speaker 13

So this is a direct quote. Agencies should strive to have a core team assigned to executive protection full time with a reserve of trained officers available to support the core team when needed. So that is their recommendation from the US Conference of Mayors.

3:59:35 – 4:00:14Speaker 9

Okay, thank you. And to go back to personal use for clarity and of course with you having a a legal background also, you're able to expand on this. One of the comments you made was about the way the current PPM 56 is worded about personal use. And then as long as you're using RSI IRS rates to reimburse. Where I start to get hung up on is because you made the comment about rental cars.

4:00:14 – 4:01:13Speaker 9

But if I go get a rental car right now, I'm paying some rates that you're not gonna pay with the regular IRS benefit rate. So how do we come to a realization or justification of because the way this is written right now, I, councilman Rainey, if I wanted to, I can go check out a vehicle right now. I'm performing my duties as a councilman right now. Now what's the difference between me checking out that vehicle and using it for personal use and going through an IRS rebate or, I guess, fulfilling that benefit versus me going to an airport and renting a vehicle and knowing I'm gonna pay about three or different three or four different fees for that vehicle outside that scope. So help me, I guess, come to rationalize just getting a vehicle from the fleet versus going get in a rental vehicle as an elected official.

4:01:15 – 4:01:52Speaker 13

Thank you for the question, council member. First, one of unless the rental contracts have changed since the last time I rented a car, was only a few months ago, they generally have unlimited miles. And so whether you pay more or less depends on how many miles you choose to drive. So if you rent a car and drive around the country, you're gonna actually come out way ahead. In terms of why use the IRS rate, because when an employee drives and gets reimbursed, which is often the way it's done, they're reimbursed at that same rate.

4:01:53 – 4:02:35Speaker 13

And so if we're gonna say that rate's not appropriate, then we ought to change the rate. We reimburse our employees for it. Because if we have a well, I'll pick parks director since that's on the agenda tomorrow, not provided a car under the agreement, If he is driving his personal car from one park to another, he can get reimbursed at the IRS mileage rate. That's the way we reimburse, and so it seemed that's the most appropriate way. But if I'm happy to engage in city count engage city council with a discussion of should we be reimbursing at higher rates for both what we pay and what we receive.

4:02:36 – 4:03:04Speaker 13

But that's why we use that because that's what that's what we do when the city attorney goes to a city attorney's conference somewhere and they use their personal vehicle. If they turn it in for mileage, they're reimbursed to that personal rate. It's what we use in private enterprise. It's what I bill my clients or billed my clients back when I was in practice because that's winded down for the most part now. I do it on the IRS mileage rate, and that's pretty standard.

4:03:05 – 4:03:38Speaker 13

That IRS rate is supposed to account for all of the different cost of a vehicle, and that's what it's based on. It's based on depreciation. It's based on repairs, maintenance. All of that is captured in that IRS maintenance rate. So I just use the one the city's already using, but if there's a better rate to use, I'm happy to look at it. I would just say whichever we could do, we ought to make you know, if if we don't think that's a fair rate, then we ought to make it fair for our employees too.

4:03:38 – 4:04:23Speaker 9

Well, I agree with you from the sense that we we collectively, the mayor's office, yourself as that representative, and council should have that conversation as a collective whole, not the mayor doing a policy or or not us. Let's sit down at a table, and let's let's hash it out. Let's discuss what it should look like that benefits the city. But I I wanna make sure that I don't miss my words here. I wanna make sure the message that we're telling people that are watching, the residents of Colorado Springs, is that as a city councilman, if I want to right now, and this is unrefuted based on policy, I can go check out a vehicle from fleet.

4:04:23 – 4:04:53Speaker 9

That's what it says. And the keyword in the new policy is personal use. If I'm going to do that, why should I have the vehicle? I just use the fleet vehicle and I just I'll do the RRS mileage rate and get reimbursed or reimbursed, I should say, and I should be good to go. That's the way that policy is written. Is that the message that we wanna send our residents in Colorado Springs? And I don't think it is, but that's the way it's written.

4:04:55Speaker 13

It's not the way it's written.

4:04:57Speaker 9

We can pull it back up. It's written exactly that way.

4:05:01Speaker 13

Pull it up, please. Happy to.

4:05:03Speaker 9

When you say personal use, it doesn't say personal use once in a while or as deemed necessary. It just says personal use.

4:05:12 – 4:05:32Speaker 13

And that is the way personal policy manual is worded with no reimbursement. That's the way your contract with the CEO is worded. So that is what council has established for its with no reimbursement. This changes that and puts a re reimbursement

4:05:32Speaker 9

on it. That's basically the clarity. That's the

4:05:34Speaker 13

That's the difference right now.

4:05:36Speaker 9

Difference that you're pointing out is that in the past, you can do it with no reimbursement. Now the policy has changed to say, you can still, but you need to reimburse.

4:05:46 – 4:06:21Speaker 13

And, again, in terms of if someone is you know, let's say you use a city vehicle and go up to this is coming up soon Municipal League Conference. You go up to the Municipal League Conference and you somebody wants use it. And while you're there, you want to go to a restaurant. And if you use that vehicle and it's a personal use, then it has a reimbursement attached to it. I am happy to have that dialogue with counsel.

4:06:21 – 4:06:55Speaker 13

I had one council member after the announcement by the deputy chief of staff saying they wanted to be involved in it. We involved that council member in the discussions. But if you want to have more, we are happy to. It's a policy that can be amended. But that policy to be amended, because the city charter charges the mayor with in charge of police, in charge of fleet, we're happy to work with y'all. And if you wanna do some working together individually or collectively, I am happy to engage in that process.

4:06:57 – 4:07:46Speaker 9

So I I appreciate that, and I definitely believe that a collective engagement, whatever that looks like, madam president, if that looks like a working lunch or some type of collective engagement, I I think I think it would be appropriate actually. Not one person having a meeting to figure it out, but everyone having a conversation to determine what is the best course of action for both of us as a I mean, we are the 10 member elected body for Colorado Springs. So let's as 10 members, and once again, as the designee, let's figure out the best way forward to represent not just the city, but to make sure that we're managing and being great stewards of its resources.

4:07:46 – 4:08:18Speaker 13

Council member, I would welcome that opportunity. As I I alluded to, we had an agenda prep session last week. This was not the proposed ordinance that I've seen today was not on that agenda. I was informed about it Thursday by a council president, but was told at that time I couldn't see the ordinance. So I'm happy to, engage in that with all of y'all or as many as wish to attend. So set it up, and I'll be there.

4:08:19Speaker 9

Okay. I appreciate it.

4:08:20 – 4:09:01Speaker 3

Just to clarify a couple things. That's not exactly what happened. I didn't say you couldn't see the ordinance. I said it would be posted in the morning on the agenda, and you would find it there for clarification. Second of all, we don't oversee the governor, and I think the governor is a much different elected official than a than a mayor of a city. CSU, that's an employment agreement for the CSU, CEO that has been in place for many many years. So comparing those is very disingenuous when that is in an employment agreement when that CEO takes that position. You cannot even compare those two. Completely agree the IRS reimbursement. As you already know, I have already communicated to you.

4:09:01 – 4:09:18Speaker 3

That is a much better deal than any rental agree agreement you can have in town. And I think it's also disingenuous to say that if you go to a CML conference and then you drive to dinner is much different than a spring break trip for a week across the state of Colorado. Councilman Risley.

4:09:19Speaker 12

Madam president, you addressed all the comments I was going to make, so thank you.

4:09:29 – 4:09:44Speaker 3

Okay, Carly. Thank you so much for your presentation. Thank you. Moving on to item 10, council member reports and updates and discussions. Are there any council members with any reports discussions? Councilman Hincham.

4:09:44 – 4:10:13Speaker 8

Thank you, madam president. I wanna thank folks from city staff in particular Amy Cox and our parks department in being present at the town hall, my town hall last week, and getting input on the updates and the improvements to Flanagan Park. That was very successful. We also had a presentation on the storm water levy improvements and Temple To Gap that will be happening. It was about 50 people that attended that town hall.

4:10:13 – 4:11:02Speaker 8

And then we broke out into after that presentation, we broke out into people just kind of went to speak to the city staff that they were interested in talking with, including myself and Sam Friedman. We had conversations with members of the community, and we had our police department there talking about how to set up, oh, what do you call it when you neighborhood watch. Neighborhood watch. And anyway, it was very successful, and I appreciate the the work of our staff with Alex and Sam in helping with that town hall. Also was really honored to be president for the, I don't even know how many, senior accolade awards named in honor of my dad, Joe Hengjem, and a number of awards were given out this year to folks who are working in the senior industry.

4:11:04 – 4:12:08Speaker 8

Also was at, and I don't know if the president will speak to this, she and actually council member Williams present at the beginning of the Health Foundation and that ten year celebration and the acknowledgement of the $60,000,000 that has been spent on behalf of our city was very, very well done and appreciated being at that. Also a couple of great fundraising for Light of Hope for CASA, which does incredible work with those who are children who are abused and neglected in our city and representation that they get in the court system. And Pikes Peak Hospice also had a really incredible fundraising event. We have so many outstanding non profits in our community. I mentioned earlier visiting the Crossfire Ministries their new, actually their new thrift store which all of the proceeds from that thrift store go to support the grocery store that they have for folks who need to use that to supplement their budgets and stay in their homes.

4:12:08 – 4:12:38Speaker 8

That's really, really incredible work that they're doing. And then lastly, just want to thank again Sam Friedman who does such a job of, such a nice job of representing the work of City Council and how to be engaged. I joined myself and Councilmember Gold with students at Palmer High School who are very interested in how to be more effectively engaged in local government, and and that was a terrific conversation that we had. So thank you for the opportunity to share those things. Councilman Rainey.

4:12:38 – 4:13:39Speaker 9

Thank you, madam president. Just wanna highlight a couple of items, but the first one I do wanna highlight because it's so important for us as an elected body to reflect on some of the great work that people here in Colorado Spring accomplished on our behalf and had the honor along with council member Hinjem and council member Donaldson to attend the retirement ceremony of CSPD deputy chief Mary Rosenhoff. After thirty two years in public safety. That's not an easy feat. I mean, some people just try to get to 20 in in everyday jobs, and to be in law enforcement for that many years, was just just something that really, you know, kinda took me back a little bit that with all the different offices that she has served in, the things that she's accomplished, the danger, and the amount of officer involved shootings she had, been involved in.

4:13:40 – 4:14:04Speaker 9

It it really was something that I think, once again, when we talk about public safety, those are things not to be taken lightly, the folks that are doing great work on our behalf. So just wanted to highlight that. Also, I wanna take an opportunity to give a big thank you to my community in District 6, Banyan Lewis Ranch Retreat community. They invited me out. There's about 60 plus people that invited me out.

4:14:04 – 4:14:49Speaker 9

And here's what I love about the invite. The invite was not about here's what's wrong and here's what needs to be done or here's how we need to make things better. They invited me out to hear all the great things that they're doing in their community. What a treat. What an absolute treat to just hear the goodness of what people are doing in the community. So kudos to Bannon Lewis Ranch Retreat community for inviting me out for that. The one thing I do wanna highlight, there's a couple activities that are coming up, and I just wanna make sure we don't lose sight of those. There's the board and commission appreciation night that's happening this Wednesday at 05:30 to 07:30 right here in the chamber. Correct? I wanna make sure the location is correct.

4:14:50 – 4:15:19Speaker 9

So what a great opportunity to highlight and celebrate those volunteers that have given their time and efforts to our great city. The Air Force Academy ribbon cutting ceremony for the visitor center, That is coming up this week. Also, I believe that is gonna be on Friday. So looking forward to that. And Friday morning, there's going to be the Pikes Peak Regional Memorial at Memorial Park.

4:15:19 – 4:16:06Speaker 9

So that is now on the schedule. So that is been to that event several times and highly recommend that if you can get out there, please do so. And May 19 is gonna be the state of the base at Peterson Space Force Base. So wanna make sure that we're still all tracking that to get a better idea of what our airmen and guardians are doing on our behalf for national security, and there's a lot going on with the current state of affairs globally, the war, and, of course, a lot of other important things that are happening in the space domain. So looking forward to hearing what the leadership out at Peterson Space Force Base have to convey to the community, but we wanna kinda leave it right there.

4:16:07Speaker 3

Councilman Lineweber?

4:16:12Speaker 6

Yes. I'm excited to share from the outdoors. And oh, here's my companion.

4:16:19Speaker 11

Patch, come here. Come here. Come here. Come here.

4:16:21 – 4:16:46Speaker 6

This is for Lynette. Patch says he's having a great time. Anyway, I was able to attend, the first forum on the impacts of outdoor recreation on our medical health this last week. And it was actually a remarkable conference. Was really pretty cool, first one we've had.

4:16:47 – 4:17:24Speaker 6

And, it was, sponsored in part by the Department of Interior. I got a chance to talk with Doug Burgham, a number of times on some of these issues, but others also. And, but here's the headline. The average savings per person for spending fifteen minutes a day in nature in terms of health care costs is $374 per person annually. Now $374 okay, that's meaningful.

4:17:24 – 4:18:00Speaker 6

But what if you multiplied that over a $500,000 500,000,000 no, 500,000 population of Colorado Springs. If you looked at it community wide, that is millions and millions of dollars of community health care cost savings for our community by promoting the fact that getting out nature, which we all know, but we've got to get to the point where we elevate it to where it needs to be prescribed. Like, you you got to get out. You got to smell the trees. You got to take that walk in the park.

4:18:00 – 4:18:32Speaker 6

You you just you've got to spend some time. Fifteen minutes a day can be a tremendous savings and really, improve everyone's health. And, it's kind of something we all know, but we've kind of lost track of it. And, I think that was the whole intention of the forum is some of the policies they want to put in place and, some of the things they want to change in terms of some of our federal lands and so forth in terms of fostering this type of, support. So it was really great.

4:18:32 – 4:19:15Speaker 6

I made a number of great connections, talked to previous governor of Montana quite a bit and and then a couple of other folks. But anyway, I I had a I had a great time, and I got some great information from it, and I really think it's really kind of something positive and something that we could probably look at for our community in trying to reduce health care costs, which is certainly a big factor for families. So, that's my report. I'm really, was excited to go, and I learned just a ton of stuff. So, and be happy to talk to individuals. But right now, I gotta go get my fly rod and go catch some fish. So, thanks.

4:19:15Speaker 3

Councilman Leidenweber, I saw you posted that you did yoga on the lawn at DC, but I did not see a downward dog. So did you?

4:19:25Speaker 6

I did. Absolutely. Yes.

4:19:29 – 4:19:47Speaker 6

I just I mean, it's not like, you know, you're standing there on the mall. It's like, I I I saw an an attendee say, could you just take a picture so someone would believe me that I'm actually out here doing yoga on the National Mall? So, anyway, that was that was the picture. So it was a still picture. No video. That would have been bad.

4:19:47Speaker 3

I agree. That would have been bad. Well, thank you.

4:19:51Speaker 6

Alright. You bet.

4:19:53Speaker 4

Councilman Hinjim? Yeah. Thank you. Just a

4:19:54 – 4:20:15Speaker 8

quick alibi. And by the way, Dave is saving our city, like, and thousands of dollars today. Look at how he's been outside this whole meeting. So good on you there, Dave. I just wanted to say I forgot to mention earlier in the meeting. I would like to pull off item four BE from the consent agenda for tomorrow. Thank you.

4:20:16 – 4:20:37Speaker 3

Item four BE? Yes. Okay. We got that? Okay. That is taken care of. There goes Hatch. You better go chase him. Well, looks like that concludes. I don't see any more council member updates. So that concludes our work session meeting for today. So we are adjourned.

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