County Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, we're going to go ahead and call the meeting to order. It is Tuesday, May 19, 2026. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. Any minutes from reports received?

Yes, we have the sheriff's April 2026 fees and the collector's April 2026 fees.

Okay. Commissioner, committee, liaison reports, upcoming meetings and events?

Campbell board meeting tomorrow. Foundation Ball Thursday night and Memorial Day is Mondays. If you've got anything for the agenda make sure you get it to us early.

Tomorrow there's a chamber of transportation meeting at the airport. to the 26th St. Mary's Foundation. You know, our bi-weekly NAVALS, our construction history, we're just going to do some of the meeting. And holiday next month.

Okay, yes, we have the Chamber of Transportation meeting at the airport. Thursday is the Zonta lunch. Then our 250th committee has a meeting at 6 p.m. Thursday night. Monday is, there's a Memorial Day ceremony in Chamoy, and we are honoring Jerry Berry, who was the last Civil War veteran to die in Osage County. He's buried in a cemetery in Chamoy, so everybody is invited to come out and attend that ceremony. And that is all I have. Any commission comments? Bids and contracts. Renewal three of inmate welfare products.

This is the third renewal of inmate welfare products with Bob Barker Company. They proposed an 8% increase and Sheriff Wheeler said they were okay with that increase.

I'm sorry, how much increase?

8%. Okay. Good.

McLaughlin 2, approve the renewal of the inmate welfare products with Bob Barker Company with the 8% increase.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Renewal 1 of garage door installation and maintenance services with the sheriff.

This is the first renewal of garage door installation and maintenance services with Overhead Door Company of Central Missouri. and they agreed to maintain current pricing.

I have a motion to renew the garage door installation and maintenance services with Overhead Door Company of Central Missouri.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Approval and signing of Internet Service Agreement with MediaCom.

So one of the things that we've kind of discovered upon the last couple severe weather events is that as we are trying to monitor and plan and respond to these events as emergency management the ems headquarters building which houses all of our technology does not have adequate internet bandwidth to support all those functions so when we go to stream some of the public cameras that are out there or various sources on the internet. We can't get the stream to play because there's not enough internet bandwidth. So I've asked Brian to research how to fix that problem. He's got a proposal for Mediacom to increase our internet bandwidth to one gigabyte and the monthly cost is $174.95.

uh it is a month-to-month contract so if for whatever reason we need to go in a different direction we can do so without penalty so i've been answering questions i'll make a motion to execute contract with immediate service at south ridge uh adam street i'm sorry adam street second

Any discussion?

All in favor? Aye. Adam Street for this. The equipment says that. No. I thought you did.

A new business. Accounts payable review. Ask for approval of accounts payable pending review. make a motion to approve accounts all in favor aye collector to present annual settlement good morning good morning sir

This is my annual settlement for the collector's fiscal year, which runs through February 28th of 2026. Total charges were $117,408,257.56. We actually collected $3 more. So we're off $3 in our total on $117 million. It's a clerk's fee. We know what it is. We just can't find it. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it only being off $3. I think that was fine. I think I overpaid you. Okay. I'll see if I can get some pennies from the bank to refund you. The front page actually shows all our distributions. The second page is current year taxes collected and delinquent as well as protested. And the third page is the prior years, all prior years. And the bottom of the third page has the various other monies that we collect from merchants license, interest on investments. fees for SERP, for tax maintenance fund, for the commission.

Larry, this is a question probably for, I mean, it is about next year already, looking forward. Will you have to add another column next year to tell which one of these taxing districts how much they didn't get because of the senior credit?

I don't know that. We haven't actually talked about the annual settlement. This is actually a form put out by DOR. I'll see if I can contact somebody there and find out. You know something like that? I might. We do We do have, I mean, our dev net system does put out reports showing that for each of those taxing jurisdictions, what they're not collecting in taxes. I'm assuming somewhere that will have, I would assume that would have to be added as a line.

Did you notice more delinquencies, fewer delinquencies compared to others? No, it's pretty consistent from year to year.

We actually have one large personal property delinquency for two years that I've asked Locke to get involved with. It's pretty significant, almost a million dollars now over two years.

So who are the road districts? I don't have anybody from public works here. That's who I was going to bug about that. That's just, we don't have any road districts, just the county road department. Okay, so that's our public works? Yes. Okay, so we have county on there and then we have county commission. I was thinking one was public works and one was the commission general revenue, so... in the first column it says county commission and then second column and third down is the county commission would be the general revenue okay 08 it may not be that might be that might be that's the Commission on collections at 1% we get for collecting taxes okay that's the Commission I know the road district is down so road district and then the county would be our general remedy so okay cool thanks no other questions

uh thank you gentlemen taking it easier on you today for now that's still learning we go on record that we've accepted the date yes okay acknowledge uh the collector's annual statement and accept this report second all in favor aye aye okay

Discussion of rooftop curb adapters. Good morning gentlemen. Good morning.

Say good morning gentlemen and Sam. We had too much dead air space there so.

You gotta be nice to me. You know, today's my wedding anniversary. I didn't think about that until I got here and I'm like, wow.

And she put up with him for 42 years.

She is a saint. What was I saying? Yeah.

All right. After we first started this project a year and a half ago, a few years now, we went off the submittal book that was put together for the building. In doing so, after being worked through the United Mechanical Services, the contract, we've been taking our steps, making sure we're getting the right curb adapters to fit the new units and everything else. George McClap, who's here also, he's been working on this. The new curb adapters, if we go with what we've got, we're going to have units that are sticking up 8 to 10 foot up in the air. We're going to have to work on the ladder and the rubber roof. and then the snow conditions uh so we went back to the drawing book drawing board went ahead was a train train came up looked at everything uh train is recommending going with the different carbon adapters and additional price of 157 550. Myself, Sheriff Wheeler, we all agree going with these new different curb adapters to keep the units down low is the way to go. Any questions?

I think it's a question of safety for one. That is right. Service people trying to go up 8 feet, 10 feet on a rubber roof that could be slick, ice, snow.

Some of them are going to be even 12 foot off the ground to the very top. And then you're going to dissipate the roof up there. Sorry.

Yeah. So...

anytime you're working on the ladder you're going to be setting all around the unit you're going to end up poking holes in the roof it's bound to happen because the bottom of the units are going to be minimum four foot off the ground just to work on them so if we take these little curves off we'll cut the roof around it put the new curves back on the structure then it'll put it back to exactly where it's at maybe even a little bit lower so then serviceability is back to working on your feet for 90 of the time And also in this price was after we had a meeting last week with the sheriff, I have some temporary cooling because we will be down for at least minimum two days for all the jail pods. So if we do one jail pod at a time, then we've got temporary cooling in there to keep them happy, basically. And this was, yeah, all this pricing came from after our meeting with the sheriff.

I'm just trying to hold it in.

I'm trying to look for the silver lining in this cloud. It was that we did have a silver lining early when we received the first numbers of what it's going to cost.

what we thought it was going to cost. And there was really no way to know until we got the drawings for the curb adapters and seeing how tall they were.

We all went off the submittal book. I think I'm a little agitated from why it wasn't in the submittal book, what we were actually going to need. Because I tell you, there shouldn't have been looked at.

But Snowbook was put from the building when the building was built, so I don't know who put them together before they could test the book we had.

I understand you can have those books, but I would have went up on the roof and verified. I mean, not the people doing the bid necessarily. I mean, you've got your submittal book that you're going by. Everybody's got to go by that on the bids. But we had it engineered. All of this was engineered. I would have thought it would have been figured out or caught. You mentioned it beforehand, Greg. I was kind of prepared for it. But we saved some money to start with, you know.

Yeah, yeah. A little over a million. So even with this, we'll still be at $800,000. Actually, the saved money was just less than... Less than what we budgeted for.

Yeah. And again, I look at the safety. And the fact that we're not destroying our roof.

Yeah. The first thing that came to mind was safety on it. In my mind, that's what drove this. Yeah.

Yeah, the roof will be coming in probably another 10 years.

And this will take roughly two foot around the roof, around each rooftop. So it does save a little bit in the long run on the roof because we have to cut the roof up just to do the curbs. And this price is also a little bit of roofing that you won't have to do later on if you need another silver lining.

Do we need to approve the change order today since we haven't technically started or you don't put this in with the... We can either put it in today, approve today, or we can just put it in the end at the, do one final change over, whichever way you want to do it. Change order number one.

Okay. Motion to approve change order number one for the law enforcement center rooftop curb adapters.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Do you want to do the emergency for the chiller now or do you want to hold it to the end?

You're here. Why don't you explain what's going on out at the health department?

Yesterday morning, I got a call about 5 a.m. No cooling at the health department. Went out there. Chiller was not running. Upon further service, we found two compressors. Three. Three compressors that are bad out of four. In front of you is a proposal A is to just repair the compressors that are bad for 34,700 and then we have pricing to replace everything for 125,750 and 150,750 plus another 10,000 for programming and controls to go into it. It was installed in 2011, so it's 15 years old already.

This falls under our contract.

Yes, it does. Contracts are nice. So discussion of whether we want to just pin the 35,000 just put the compressors in it and go from there or do we want to replace the whole unit. Lead time on a new unit is roughly two weeks from the factory. To get a new unit? To get a new unit is roughly two weeks. And then we also would have to install a new pump too so that was included in the price for that. So yeah, two to three weeks for a new unit. But We got one running right now, one compressor running right now, so as long as it doesn't get too hot, we're good for the morning.

The weather's a blessing this week because of the fact there's only one compressor running. My gut feeling is we got hit by lightning Saturday. The building somehow got hit by lightning. It was running Friday and that big storm is the way from troubleshooting. You don't just lose three compressors that quick.

I'm looking in towards just the compressors. I don't know if y'all are alright with it. The other, the chillers and stuff might be what a long-range plan we need to start figuring up. Kind of like we did, but it's not on the rooftop, is it? No, it's underground. It's underground on the side.

I defer a bit to your history and experience there, Jeff. But here's a question on left field. at what point does some kind of damage from lightning I'd have to look into that one I'm not sure off the top of my head but I can look and let you guys know It's not a proven lightning strike, I guess. It's your system here.

I don't actually know how you prove it, but the way the compressor's grounded out and electrically shorted is how I take that in stance.

Yeah, it was following the running final Friday and then Saturday before we could get to work. And then Monday coming in, definitely finding nothing running and everything tripped out, so... And that was a pretty good lightning storm Saturday morning. Your call. To me, it's 20.

The other one's only 15 years old. I don't think that's that old on those either.

we should be able to get them several more years out of those right the other yeah we were putting chillers themselves yeah yeah it's just one chiller but the compressor's inside the chiller so this was i'm sorry go ahead but this was struck by lightning so we we just replaced the the uh chiller i mean would the lightning have done any other damage to this that we're we don't know about or not off top of our head but you can't really prove that by any means until it starts to run yeah i hate to spend even 34 000 and find out well it did it basically that lightning fried some other stuff too i mean it is running now the one compressor yeah i think

I saw him and Logan looking at this yesterday. I think putting compressors in it and changing a couple of the sensors that we have to change out, I think would be okay.

What's the time frame on that?

I can get compressors within two days. Some of the sensors, it's going to be, I'd say a week and a half by the time it's all said and done. But I can get some running before the entire thing's done. That's what I would do, yeah.

I should go and replace the compressor.

Do you guys want me to check in the insurance as well? Why don't you inquire? Just for curiosity's sake. And then where do we want that taken out of?

Sheriffs. Got it. EMOs. I just need to pay attention. I knew it was a year ago for me.

Auditor. Auditor.

Yes, we're getting low on our capital improvements, but if this qualifies, I would still probably put it there. Just because the flexibility, we have more flexibility with the general funds. But if things like this continue to occur throughout the rest of the year, we're probably going to have to transfer general funds to, yeah. Thank you.

Motion on that then?

Or you got enough direction? I'll just make a motion that we Approve the chiller repairs needed at the health department for the sum of $34,700.

Did you add due to the emergency situation? Sure. It didn't happen on YouTube? Yeah. For the emergency repairs. I'll second the motion that includes All in favor?

Aye.

Approval to run sole source ad for outdoor warning consulting.

We're asking for approval to run a sole source ad for outdoor warning consulting, which is the only non source compatible with the current warning signs in use.

I'll make a motion to approve the run to run. All in favor?

Aye. Okay, unfinished business. A salary study update.

Everybody's dark bin ready. I just I want to stress before we go anywhere and anybody starts asking for stuff. This is the draft of what we've gotten. We initially got three plan proposals that would include 102 and 105% of market comparisons to bring us ahead of the market. We talked and said that that wasn't feasible and so went back and asked them for additional information. They then gave us proposals for 95% and 97.5% of the market. It's still very high. And so what I have given to the commissioners is the three different proposals. There is a cover sheet email explaining what those proposals or two different proposals with three breakouts being a three-step equity adjustment on top of the money that would make us hold a market two-step equity adjustment or one step. Meaning for years of service, there would be added money based on whatever the range. Recommended is to make us hold on salaries. Well, it's not even whole ninety five to ninety seven percent There were Thirteen Municipalities that were used for comparison there was Callaway County and University of Missouri for EMS ambulance district Six other area well state health departments that were used for comparison on Christie's numbers. Again, it's all a draft. Nothing's finalized. It's just people have been asking where we are. We initially said that it would likely be June or July before a decision was even near being made because of the data having to be received and digested. But at least this is what we have right now as a potential So we looked at or know what the.

Plan D or Plan E will do to our budget where we have, we don't have, I know we talked about June, July, but did we put, I don't remember putting any money in the budget to try to address these changes.

Nothing was included to address it for 26. The earliest would be for 27 consideration. But when you ask about the numbers, Jeff, if you go like on Plan D as an example, and go to page 12 of the very first section where it says Plan D, 97.5 of the market, look at page 12, the very last number, difference on the farthest right column, bottom number, that's with the three-step equity adjustments, that's $1,488,000, just in an adjustment.

That's countywide?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

When it comes to the discussion, anytime you issue a schedule, the next day it's out of day. Because These schedules were put together, I guess, with our 1% and 750.

Yes, there is a column in there for where we should be now with the exceptions of raises that have been granted since 1-1. Yes.

So we sort of had a clean start there on 1-1. But since 1-1, we've addressed some issues with... with the sheriff. Yes. We have an issue, not an issue, the situation with EMS is a schedule that's already been adopted based upon steps and time and promotions and so on. And then with public works, we have a the schedule, the pay plan there. So I would like to maybe visit the numbers and the schedules that affect this difference, you know, when it comes to being that 95% of the quote market, that's about 1,414,000.

Yes.

At the 95%.

At the 95% level.

At the 97.5% level, it's 1,488,000. Perfect. My question would be, what would it be, how much would it be less than 1,488,000? We gave special consideration to what the sheriff has done, but what we did maybe just a week ago or two years ago with the jailers and what...

Well, and one thing, if I may, Harry, to interrupt, I'm sorry. Also, EMS, when this was done and given to them, they only had the number for 1% in 750. But unexpectedly, last year, we had to suddenly comply with the minimum wage that took everybody to 15, which that is in the calculations, but that was a jump that had never been required because EMS was excluded by statute. So that's another one that may or may not wholly be in these numbers. I would have to check. There's just been a lot of changes since they got the data and gave this to us at the beginning of the year.

But to come up with, I mean, we've had some outside experts say, here's your number. And we just took it and run. We can't get it. We just can't get it. And it's a reality. It's not growing at that pace. So my plan would be to get these numbers, modify and tweak them, just to get more realistic with respect to maybe the three-day process. I'm not sure that's going to be that way, but at least share EMS and other groups and really affect this.

We will check the spreadsheet that's in here as far as current staff because they're having a few changes. Make sure that the numbers that are in there are correct. I can get that back to you.

Whether it be to just take the straight line that they gave us at 100%. and look at each and every employee and identify where they are percentage wise to that hundred percent and try to get make some adjustments for the lowest ones and i don't know if we have any money to do anything with right now anyway but to find the ones that are farthest off the mark and make those adjustments i don't know how easy it is to Or if we have every office look at their own individuals, which is a headache for the sheriff with a lot more employees. I think that's the ones I would like to identify as the ones that are the farthest off of the mark from where they're at. Try to do something with those.

Taking into consideration here's a service for equity, yes or no, or both options.

I think you would have to.

Okay.

because otherwise you're going to have somebody that's been here for several years and somebody just started that aren't going to be in the right position. So, I mean, I would definitely take that into consideration. You talking about compression? Compression, yeah.

I wasn't going to use the word. We've been tracking the state somewhat with their seniority and use of service.

So this year as I understand it, and the budget bills aren't signed yet, but what got approved by the state legislators is a no cost of living adjustment across the board and the continuation of their longevity program and that was set up for every two years of state government you got a 1% increase up to 20 years so you could kind of say that's a half a percent a year but if you if you've worked for the state for more than 20 years you received like a 10% increase last year, you will not be getting a pay increase, a cost of living adjustment going forward until future legislative action is taken. You know, I've seen salary studies done in the past and the 97.5%, the 1488, I just did a quick number, our payroll, just the payroll is around $24 million. So that's like 6.2% increase for that million five number we're talking about. Off the top of my head, I don't think there's any way we can afford that. Do you put a pot of money in for cost of living and then a pot of money in, as Commissioner Helster has talked about, that I've talked about, of trying to adjust the individuals that are farthest away? Or is it more important for seniority gaps and things there? Right now, I'm hoping to get through the audit, which should be presented within the next month. I was planning on starting the budget process early, talking to elected officials, department heads, working with Jessica and her staff, trying to look at things to get some high-level ideas of if we could reduce expenses in other places to set more money here. Another thing I hate keep bringing up, but it's health insurance. We're going to have to make decisions on what we want to do with health insurance going forward. We may be to a point, if we want to stay with the same concept of health insurance, that may more than absorb any monies we would set aside for cost of living increases. which is not pleasant when you basically then have a net reduction to an employee because their healthcare costs are out exceeding their cost of living. But that's where we're at.

What do you use generally as the payroll tax and retirement lug forward. I know we talked about 30 and 40%, but that's really juiced up a lot for health insurance, and I don't wanna get that involved here.

Based on the budgeted 26 payroll, Social Security is slightly under the 7.65 when there's the adjustments for the pre-tax. Loggers is 7.5% for the non-sheriff, 10.9% for the sheriff, and 4% for SERP. Our health, dental, and life, it's a flat dollar. This year we had $10,450 for each employee, and then we had about $2,400 for dependents and everything. But that equates to like 16.5%. So our total fringe benefits is in the range of 35% of payroll.

But 16 plus of that is insurance? Yes. So right at 20, 19 or 20 is the taxes and retirement. Got it.

And then another somewhat related is workers' comp. Workers' comp's based on salary as well. We've had some increases in worker comp claims. So, you know, those are things we have to take in consideration that are somewhat directly impacted with salary.

But we kind of punish the biggest offenders the most, don't we?

We... And Jessica can step in here. In recent years, we've been putting more of the increase on the Sheriff's Department, EMS, and Public Works because that's the bigger driver or worker comp claims. Are we there 100% fully allocated to those areas? Probably not, but in recent years, they've absorbed more of the increase.

Well, and one thing to keep in mind is that work comp premiums are based on salary. So we're wanting to increase salaries by 1.4 million. Our work comp premiums are gonna adjust accordingly, because that is the driver for the premium cost, is what we're paying in salary. Claims has some effect, but it's payroll driven. for the most part.

Can elected officials get copies of the salary study?

$4.50.

I mean, this is, it's extensive, so you can look and see that your roster in here of everybody in your office except you has got a line on the chart. Yes, so I think it's fair to see the chair, if you could call it that, same with directors.

it's an open record i'm sorry it's an open record okay there's an open record according to our counselors so you certainly can get it because the public can do it right i just don't think we really shared it because we hadn't settled on maybe kind of where we were at with proposing we've had drafts shared i'm sure there's going to be some changes that people are going to want as well it's still considered so If you see something in there that's totally off, make notes. I don't know at what point we go to changing that. I'm talking about those.

Our employees are a valuable asset to the county. These times, you're seeing a state, Jefferson City, even Columbia, they're talking about deficit. Money is just, I don't know. The first two years I came into office, my fellow commissioner said no new FTEs. I don't think we had any new FTEs for a couple of years. I think we're going to have to really be careful. The sheriff eliminated one position in order to handle job salary increases. We're going to have to really be creative or do something because I don't know where that money is going to come from.

We talked about it last week with salary adjustments because people have it in their budget. If we're not going to stay with this when we get it enacted or whatever you want to call it, then this is just a futile exercise. So I don't know, that's when we talked about first doing this, so everybody's gotta buy into it. I wasn't crazy about it, we had one done before, right before I got in here. And I don't think anybody really liked it. So you've been around since then, so that's why I was looking at you on that and dragging you into it. But if we're gonna go with this, then we gotta go with it. stay with complying with what it recommends and try to be fair instead of being subjective and picking the winners and losers. And that was the reason that I wanted to do this is because then we've got something right here that says where it's supposed to be and It's black and white.

How do we increase our healthcare costs per employee then?

I mean... But the salary schedule doesn't say we have to have everybody at 100%. No. When we figure out where we're going to go and get to whatever percent we are, because it's one point, it's one and a half million. And for, I think, if I'm figuring this right, for every two and a half percent, we're looking at $75,000. $75,000.

Sheila, are you hearing in exit interviews, is salaries one of the main reasons people are leaving?

Not one of the main reasons, but it is brought up. A lot of times when that's brought up, they're going to a location that does not contribute on the health insurance and other insurances like we do. And so that's kind of a startle issue when they get there. But it's not been a deal breaker on anyone that I know of.

Sheila, do you have this data in Excel spreadsheet? contained in that or is it we've got hard copy PDF is what they sent it to me yes yes I have one okay so we could theoretically you could convert it to an Excel and if we wanted to plug numbers into a new column we could

I would think so, yes. I'm not an Excel.

There's 400 lines here, aren't there? 400 employees?

Yes. I'm not an Excel expert, but I'm sure that with the knowledge we have in the county, somebody can tell.

First of all I'll point out

What was the term? The biggest difference off the mark, I think, was your quote. That would be one of the problems we've done. Maybe say who's the biggest off the mark employee and maybe address those with some kind of catch up.

We may not do anything with this until budget time. We didn't put money in the budget for making any kind of salary adjustments.

Yeah, there was no mid-year provision because the expectation was that we wouldn't even get the data until around July that we would even be able to start having discussions on where we could or might go.

But adults, whenever we start working our budget up, like Jay says, because we're already working on our 27th budget, we're going to avoid this, so...

who talked, but it'll help us on that, on proposing.

You know, one question would be to ask, and I know the answer, but what is the true staffing level needed at every department and elected official's office? And 99% are gonna come back and say, oh, I need the exact staff level I have. But those are questions you ask. You would hope that they would take it serious to look at that level to see if that's what we need to operate and to move forward. You talk to the sheriff, and he's going to tell you his authorized or what he really needs. He's been able to operate less, but burnout's a concern. And our overtime, we've already, I mean, jail is at 77% of their overtime right now, or it was. They're at 103% this last cycle.

So we already have to move money. That's fine.

Places have done hiring freezes. The places, a hiring freeze doesn't do any good to the sheriff because he's well under what he needs. Chief Hoy operates with a lot of part-time individuals and he has a totally different schedule than the other departments. Public Works is going into a busy time now with road improvements. Larry's got some major turnover right now. He would tell you going into the next collection cycle that he needs all the staff he has. So I don't know that we can come up with staff reductions, but it's a question to ask, and I'll plan on having some of those conversations when we start some of these roundtable discussions moving forward with the budget.

I was impressed when the public administrator eliminated one position and delegated more to the employees he had in exchange for... part of that salary and still saved us money. So being creative.

If you run across an elected official who says, I can't give up a body, but I could give up a half, and you run across another one that says, I can't give up a body, but I can give up a half. You might have one of these famous... We've got such silos around here. Thou shalt not leave your silo. But maybe we need folks to leave their silo once in a while.

And again, we're not in desperate times, but I think we need to start looking at things possibly different moving forward so that we can compensate the dedicated staff we have the best to our abilities and everything.

Thank you.

Sheila, you want to send that out to the elected officials and department heads?

I have some printed. Jill said that those that want a printed copy that's already printed, that I have to charge for it.

They've got printers. Just email it to them.

I didn't say you have to. It was an option. If a sunshine request is submitted.

I have the PDF. To print it is measurable. Somebody's going to want to get done.

It's just a draft. It's just a draft. Everything I have is just a draft. I like when you talk. It's just a draft. Come here. Hey Larry. Put your hand right here for just a minute. Okay. Okay. Entertaining a motion to stand and recess. I'll make a motion to stand and recess until 4.30 p.m. Second.