Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

okay let's open the meeting of the C spring zoning board of appeals um my name is Eric worth um the chair we have a quorum here tonight four out of five Members First thing on the agenda is a discussion of the um draft general generic environmental impact statement about your Trail the uh Board of Trustees of Cold Spring have asked the planning board and the zba to submit any comments they have about the ourn back statement and comments that reflect the perview board so um this is a um so that they asked us to give them something in writing and it doesn't mean that we have to all agree on one idea or set of ideas um it it can be a list of thoughts um potentially different thoughts uh contradictory thoughts just uh and it will be the trustees will turn it over to the consultant they've hired they've hired Ted f a professional planner to consolidate comments All The Village comments from all the boards and um to review the statement itself then to synthesize every one document to be submitted for to the state that's conducting the review the state office Parts Recreation so um I just Envision a kind

of open-ended um sharing of thoughts about um a it's an enormous document it is repetitive it's um many sections are repeated and um we're mainly concerned with the portion that um it holds the village itself which is just actually a small a small part of the entire Trail stretching from um The Village limit just a little north of and south of little Stone Point and um The Proposal is to end the trail at docside Park that's the the preferred the preferred pth preferred by preferred by the um planners of the Trail Hudson Highland field Trail in that's what they're they're asking for that's their but they do present Alternatives that's those were interesting made for interesting consideration alternative routes like different sections uh that this sort of gives a breakdown and and and uh mayor Hoy sort of gave us a little backdrop of some if you she she she singled out some of the sections as possibly more relevant to zba expertise so should we go through just okay that's a good idea the lead yeah let me um see I have that message yeah

I have it was your email with your data January and and this FYI by cross comparing what we were sent and some of these items seem to be so I'll listen to what we may omit that might actually be here to as well I'll first let you through yeah I have that list now um June 1 um highlights chapter 4 a which is called land use and Zoning so that is the most the most um closest to what we work on and the um the conclusion presented in the statement is that there is are no implications or no detriments or no violations following zoning and um I think that's correct um the trail crosses two districts two different zoning districts in Cold Spring transportation district which is what what the train tracks run on and then the parks of recreation duite park but um state agencies are exempt from zoning Just moment one of the principles state law and so um a uh and and both of of these properties are owned by state agencies the MTA and and the doc side is owned by state parks department so basically uh they're free to do whatever they want for from the zoning point they don't have to worry about

compliance with our zoning restrictions on those on those properties so um we really have no um no zoning issues the plan does not present zoning issues so it reads like this section describes land uses and Zoning within the adjacent uh within and adjacent to the trail Corridor okay so you as you mentioned what they may do two the primary one is along the Riverside that that that that they wish to do from Dark Side to little Stony Point and then continue North the other one is like a secondary Trail fa Street which has been used potentially developed oh yeah right that's they they're propos that as a as a an or so it's actually going to be used Andor publicized as such I guess they don't really say what they mean when they say we'll make it a meander like what in Practical terms what does that mean a lot of signs or painting a yellow stripe on the side of they don't say but um I assume secondary route to get to same location yeah I guess they'll just they will present it maybe on maps and in their guides as something you could do if you're if you're walking as an alternative way to get around they invite you if they'll invite yeah that would um cross other zoning districts And So It Goes further here so it says it analyzes proposed fur Trails consistency with uh consistency with adopted

local uh planning documents so it it in intends to try to um reflect what intent is by our own documents but as you mentioned correctly up front that there is no enforcement by this agency or the village as against you know property owned by the state parks so and it and it Al so it says both planning documents and zoning laws that that it's trying to stay consistent with these localities that are uh you know within the zone of the trail and it it also identifies historic fill areas remediation sites landfills within the trail Corridor and describes land uses which land uses may be impacted by the development of the proposed fur Trail like one example of a use that may be impacted would be mayor's park it is Park it's public park and Village Park yeah and you know currently you can sort of look out and see the water you know depending on where you move to but uh the minimum specs has been related over time the platform along the water will be 5 feet above the rail line and then 8 feet of fencing above that uh the need for the fencing which you don't see along uh the Westside Battery Park Trail is because there's no train that runs down along you know west side of Manhattan so that's why the fencing would be high and uh and so it you will not see the river except through a structure and and and as you look at it uh say if you're at the basketball court if you if you look straight at the at

the rail which I went and looked at it's about four feet up on the basketball stauning where it meets the rail line you take five feet up above that it's about a foot shy of or less of the uh the V the rim and then you take 8T above that wow take 8et above that so now what's interesting about this on the impact statement here's the impact statement if you look at it there is no image there's no artist rendition of any view site from along the east shore line between here and Cold Spring at whether it's uh water level or say 70t up there's no artistic rendition of what it would look like to try to look at the river through it and and and they show other ones as they but this is sort of there was at dun Dutch's Manor they went through a bunch of slides and they went through it they accidentally put up a slide that literally had mayor's Park and it looked like Berlin Wall in front of it they went they moved it real quick and they said everybody goes what was that can you go back to that can you go back to that they're like oh no no this is just in development stage so well is the proposed I know the fence is mandated C of the statement fence is mandated by Metro Northern State needed to be a barrier between the tracks and and the hikers but it doesn't say whether the fence would be solid or not um on their on the their website they show they show it here as as open like a chain link type things but they don't say in words one way or the other and

what's interesting is this does not indicate whether the tracks are immediately over here like for instance as you go further north and if you take a look so there's Storm King and this would potentially be break neck but you can't tell if this is North a little Stony Point because as you get from Little Stony Point further up there is much more of a separation and that's why the fencing can be lower uh there's not only a separation but there's also water you know little pockets of water so uh anyway uh again it would be interesting this my my interest is what it would look like if you've been here for a thousand years or since the glaciers were here what it would look like from the shoreline right people come to the river and to just look at the river and and how that will be impacted you mean from someone standing in mayor's Park looking toward the river mayor's Park um you know again east of the railroad tracks just looking out to the river whether it's all the way up to uh 90 going up to Duchess Madden it'll be it'll be going up to the tunnel it'll be a boardwalk out on the water from Little Stony Point to when it wraps around the tunnel it'll be yeah sort of the water it's indicated in these Maps so it's run it's going to run along over and I think the bridge is help link people into the mountains and and there's also a drop down but again it's it's on the P I agree that we do a list of um what we're experts at is weighing pros and cons or benefits versus detriments I think definitely in

the list of detriments would be dispense people can see either side people on like voters so will see it their side people on land are St side and to me it's a big question of whether what doesn't do and again this is sort of now here here's an example and this is where the rail if you take a look it looks like it's about three feet three and a half feet right you know up against these people and both sides right but what they do is they show you a Bend now this Bend uh where they explain it some of the uh PS is because there are areas where there's outflow of water you know those little uh Bays that we have like right across from your house so the fact that it cannot go immediately along the tracks there that mean the trail has to be kept out so it doesn't P Flo they can put the rails lower and so that's why they show this rendition but they won't show that picture on the PDF and again this is Storm King so I would assume assume and that looks like break neck so this is you take a picture of it and here here is the trail there's something most of this lower part this is all this all lower part here this is all the uh Cold Spring to little uh break net that's what this these first 400 Pages

cover so they they separated in just two zones two mile Zone from do side The Brak neck okay and then there's a 5.5 mile uh run of the trail from Breakneck to Beacon so that's they call it north south and that's how they usually get people zoned in on where the target I found so again you know what I personally found a little bit troubling was that uh they talk about this being the final statement and for you to comment on the impacts and I think an impact that would be of concern to many people I mean I would imagine is what it would be like to be standing down near the water's edge and looking out and how much the r SE do you see is there an obstruction I mean some of the Renditions we saw it wasn't was it had everybody in the touch of matter Hall going oh my God what's that and so there was a it's a deliberate reason why it's not in here because they have it no they have an artist rendition of it yeah it's that if you look at if you went through this allall this the first is 400 pages but you can page almost right through it uh I can probably find it it's in section four what they'll do is to show you and sort of minimize the visual impact is they'll take first they say you know looking for mayor's Park to the West looking from the West at 218 back East towards Cold Spring but they

take these very high uh 400 ft level shots and looking down West so it makes the fence look like you know minuscule but it doesn't really give you the impact of what it would be for a normal human being not at 400 feet to see what is the real impact you know and again I think people come here is to see the river I mean that I mean the mountains are great I'm like you've got the combination of water and mountains but to have the viewed of the water sort of wiped out and especially there's another thing to consider if you look on at it line if you look at it perpendicularly straight across East West you'd probably you'd see you know segments of water through the structure but if you look from the north to the South and you're at sea level or 10 or 20 feet above or you're going to you're not going to see any River it's going to be staunching after staunching after staunching it's almost as if you're doing a painting you're trying to show a view a mile away and everything becomes narrower and Tighter together and that that was disclosed yeah just in general of what I was able to read in this and this discussion I mean because it in the planet talks about oh the beautiful River the Beautiful IC elements and we want to preserve that and we want people to be able to enjoy it well I think the perspective of this project is they want the people to enjoy it who are walking on the trail they're not they're not thinking about the people who aren't walking on the trail whether they be villagers or people who come to the

Village who are okay go ahead that is that is precisely the point okay there's saying oh we're going to open up this great view for everybody but they take it from everybody who's on the land yeah and and not just the people who live here either I mean it's just everyone but people well I'm say I'm not saying just for the people who live here yeah it's anybody who appreciates the river and comes up here to hike you know and and just looks out at the river and you know it it's something that all you're asking is that they be up front and give you a condition of what it will be but how you comment on something you cannot see they don't provide yeah I mean the funny thing is I saw it has anybody made a request for those photos uh I I think the protect the highlands might have done it I I'm not really you know privious to fully what they have done uh but the comment also back often has been uh it's under U design review but here here's the fin this and and these this is the last opportunity we have to say anything but there's nothing to say it's like look look at these pictures from way far away look at how small the fence looks you know from from two miles away at a height of 400 feet I'll give you an example just talk about I went through the whole thing and took photographs um trying to think of what copy I have here there's two copies this I mean there's two this is volume two so volume one has it so that's Cold Spring right there I'll find that real quick it's in section four alterate routes there oh yeah there you go okay so get here here are the alternate routes all right and again it's fair street what it is typically at this point around U but it was in section 4 and I'll give you an idea of how they show it they say these are the visual impacts I remember it was something

around nine B9 they with me so apart from that I mean as I'm looking any other thoughts about it you were you were saying and I what you were saying is what I was thank you um well and what you're saying is sort of the lack of information there I should I should have highlighted it but I was having so much trouble with the document um if somebody has a PDF they could send it to me I'm trying to look at it on the on the their website and it's very difficult to navigate but there seems to to be a real lack of information you know and and it just when they don't have all the information they sort of dismiss it and and the one example I can think of is the village paying for the electricity of the bathrooms at docai Park and I know that's a really teeny little thing in the context of this overall project but to me it was a real example because they're like oh well the village already does this and this and this at Doc side do if anybody remembers the I don't even remember where it was you know vill already does this and it would wouldn't cost much more to just provide for the electricity at the bathrooms and I was thinking well you know as a percentage of this Village's budget it may be a little more than what's being assumed here and what I would like to see is how much would that be and what kind of impact would that have on the vill budget you know and so so they make these assumptions like oh well it's going to be a fence but it's going to be okay and they and they say that in here like oh well it's the village will just this trust me yeah that's what it is and we're not going to show you but trust us yeah anyway that's that's concern I had as I was reading through it yeah and I'll show I'll show you guys like for instance here's mayor's Park here here are the

basketball courts I'll just pass it around here are the basketball courts okay there's no rendition of the fence but you can see the basketball court there's the there's the rim because you see the the rail right here yeah okay so they said because of uh the uh uh global warming and the SE rise they want to go 5et above the rail so that was the minimum they go they don't want we don't want to redo this so it brings you up near the rim and you go from that rim and you go up another eight feet look where that takes you it takes you 5 feet above the back the top of the backboard and look at what it does at at water level what what it takes the view of it's bad better section four yeah section four G oh you're in the weird doc section 4 G4 photographs figure figure 4 G4 G4 mayor's part but I'm just not speaking about mayor's Park it's all the way uh you know until you get uh Beyond you get to the area of Duchess Manor where 90 Rises to go to Duchess Manor at that point the trail is staying low and is not impactful to view but it again it has nothing to do with Cold Spring do you see how that would appear clear very clear and and here are the comments take a look at this uh go to talks here you you like let's see G there's a discussion of oh here here's another one right see now you see how they come up from a higher level looking down but again there's no real rendition

yeah yeah you know there's no Shoreline on the East looking West that's West looking East uh and let's see I just want to get you the one comment so you can read it on on the uh they basically oh that like it's hurting my head all right getting close finish B course today um let me see what chapter we're so I gota st G here we go this it's on G9 or G9 mayor's this is where you live yeah so this is the impact statement of what they say from mayor's Park looking West and they they basically M they they minimize everything they first talk about oh there's telephone polls and there's other things uh so this should not be of any serious impact telephone there's one telephone poll because uh when the train off the rails back 10 years ago people died they had to put in a Tracker you know and this is one of the poles they put it but it you you really can't see it it's one pole you saw it right in the beginning when it was fresh white whsh wood but now it's like weathered like almost any other telephone yeah I remember when they put that pole in yeah I remember when they put the pole in to put the lights through popcorn football and then yeah football fell out of fashion now so what do you think of those what do you make of what's your summ comments well I mean you know when elephants fight the grass gets trampled and the people who live on Fair streets of the grass and they're and

they're yeah like they just don't kind of care and they're going to obscure it to the best of their ability it's just kind of what companies do we're trying to push an agenda and I I don't know what this board's ability or what our ability as Co spring ours are to you know stop them from doing it certainly we comment on I see people outside my street every day every weekend taking photos of this amazing Storm King I mean they there's just cues and cues of people just taking photographs and without question fence would obscure that um what we as a board can do to comment and change it I mean I don't know I I I would love them to consider submit that comment yeah it's very important that we comment and and and and it would be even better if again if we had the actual artist rendition yeah of what you're actually seeing so you can have a but you can trust I tell you about the because everyone in the room who has their comment on all those people who take photographs on our street right now would be like well they're going to be on the P trip and I don't know that that's necessarily Improvement are you talking about people on Fair Street fair street where the parking could be yes that's correct um well yeah a little beyond that where the Lagoon is like where the Pines are that's right everyone everyone stops here they sit on the Rocks they take photos they do selfies they love that Lagoon they love that view from there it's a big it's one of our top attractions just that little Lagoon I actually kind of mind the grass there I have my landscaper kind of mow the grass there so it's not overgrown it's too there doesn't it uh doesn't maybe in the Park yeah so I mean I know it's it's an important you know uh and even if there is a f Trail people will continue to walk on F Street and they will lose that ability you know and not

to mention the residents will lose you know the the across the street from you on on the street yeah the people on the west side of the street will really have a tough time I remember they built that little shed that was out there was right in the way of that neighbor over there three house yeah no without a question I mean I I could say this just only from experence I know one or two people on the board uh you know with Trail and they got all upset when it was proposed that somebody would put a billboard sign on N route nine within about two blocks of where they live and they thought that that was disruptive and now they're they're part of this okay well that's that's the fence um other points other issues or uh so it let's see so talks about land ownership management maintenance section describes the land ownership within or adjacent to the trail Corridor that may be impacted so this this is not only well again it's view shed so we both talked about mayor's Park which is public and there's private homes so that's part of the land ownership management uh see ter okay see land describe but okay there's issues about geology soils everything I mean in listening uh just off hand the riverkeeper has anybody heard of riverkeeper sure okay so the person who spoke on behalf of River Keeper uh uh was very negative simply saying this is going to really impact a lot and you know was very descriptive

only knowing what he this person knows and um so I was pretty much uh shocked to hear it in a sense that it took a brave person to do that because they were all sort of you know in the environmental realm and uh so it takes a lot to stand up and say something uh but the person you know has uh the expertise in the water habitats species uh the U what do you call it the uh marshes everything you know part of water habitats and also you know egress and back and forth regular animal STS of water side so that's just one thing I heard see land geology water so one issue what about I mean last year we were on water restrict right yeah I mean what if we just have a ton of people what's going to happen with u this the sewer treatment plant going to have to handle a lot more I mean I I don't know how how how do you where do people find relief I think I think the bathrooms aren't going to be connected into the sewer system be composting toilets yeah what does that mean is that what it said okay yeah they're not going to use yeah basically it's a a septic it just kind of goes into the soil and spread out okay well that's a that's a plus I mean so you yeah I didn't pick that up but you did thank you but what about the fact that people use water yeah not not connected to Sil that takes it away many houses anyway again I think that's more of a planning issue go ahead uh with anything you want to carry like that concrete bed in the back sometimes they do it like that okay yeah kind of spread some poop out

well one of the chapters is called recreational open space recreational and open space resources so um under that heading I would um point to the pluses theid Trail will bring expansion of recreational access to the waterfront residents requested in the comprehensive plan creation of the only opportunity in fown to Bicycle fre of Hills creation of the only opportunity in Phil for seniors and people care Mobility have hyi and new Carree Transportation rout new measures to mitigate vehicle and pedestrian crowding new meas to stabilize the shoreline and replace B vegetation vegetation and new public restrooms and a bicycle repair um platform do side park without any costage electricity lighting well I know that's a small thing but and you're reading you're reading direct notes I took as I was reading it I was noting the pros and the cons right that the pros well there's a lot of legitimacy to all of it again it's just a matter of whether everything is up front and and and in order for people to properly comment yeah and on how how we might want it designed but you know absolutely it's not ignoring uh you know some of the assets that could bring I think the other negatives in addition to the fence is increased burden on Emergency Services they they kind of soft pedal that but

they do say there will be greater calls for for emergency help but there will be increased trash obviously uh from Village throughout the village just going be greater burden of trash and recycling uh increased burden on infrastructure there'll be more graffiti in the tunnel does the report say how many people visit col spring currently and how many they would expect to visit with this they give a they give a number um yes they give a number of the what they estimate they have formulas and there's a whole science to this and they the answer they come up with and they're looking at the year 2033 that's what they see as they see the trail being finished in 2031 but first year or two they don't think it's going to be they think it's going to be like not atypical either more than usual or less depending on how the publicity and so but they so they think by 2033 things will settle down at that point they anticipate 268,000 new annual visitors so that's per year which translates into 1710 1,710 daily visitors on our weekend day spread out throughout the day which um means 347 per hour per PE hour 347 new this drawn by that's um the entire Trail North South fromon and this is just talking about the waterite trail no other uses going up into the mountains everything that's basically what additional well they they they describe this as anticipated increased visitation to the project area so project area uh again

I'm sure they don't mean Main Street Cold Spring that it's part of okay so interesting so they said increased uh uh um you know attendance here in this area so currently the numbers each year annually for here before this is built right now 500,000 so you're looking at 750,000 according but this is you're talking so this is the year 2033 I really I I take this with a grain of salt fact and that that that's always a struggle with these things too like it'll only take six years to roll these pylons in are you sure like yeah yeah we got to Chuck it in G to Chuck it in over the bridge like all these disruptions that are of course they going to minimize you know the perception of what the the impact would be but it could be a real po instructions never one of the reasons I moved from the Upper East Side when they started the 125th Street line I just I left I sold my apartment because it's going to be 15 years of construction w a train line yeah they extended the the uh Second Avenue line you are you talking about the uh subway subway line Subway yeah they they had part of a line that was never completed and and it was a a 20 plus year project you know so Second Avenue became a construction zone so that that's you know that's that's difficult thing about the projects and you do live with it because it t it takes about a decade at least you know it say six years what if it's de so you know just a a note here one of these says uh you know because we basically referred to it already but it is a separate section it's called Scenic resources that refers to the visual character of the trail Corridor meaning the Hudson Highland Scenic area of Statewide significance and that's exactly what this turned to be and so I mean this is where the

Hudson River painters came you know here on all the way up to atana yeah and uh so I I think that's something important like I'm not sure if the artist would have envisioned you know Boardwalk a boardwalk yeah if if it's if it if it in fact P will you know because I mean most there weren't Trails probably back then not serious Trails you know people just didn't have the gear to do it but so they would be looking from the water side I mean I have old paintings and everything that show uh people walking along the water side and literally right front where my house nothing yeah yeah the ball fields were the city dump yeah that was after they filled it prior to that it was a bay yeah and that was in the 1800s early 1800s to 18405 so anyway it's referred to as a Scenic Statewide Scenic significant uh area and and then it talks about noise and air uh resources uh yeah that that seems to be focused on the construction phase I know the planning board evaluated like some of that data I'm not quite sure if you guys want to cross check with them if that I'm sure they probably focus more on that than we we should yeah because that's get Beyond us yeah but the planning board also be the one that's going to focus on the traffic I'm sure yes yeah the other thing they've just like oh well maybe we'll put in a roundabout at yes yeah and I mean it just seems so flippant I

mean well they list mitigation measures yeah okay that's one of one of like they think but that um is the same with the the impact on Emergency Services that's another one that I would be a lot more concerned about because it's already a big impact on our Emergency Services during the summer to begin with and they did say that they think that the people like they're going to improve the trail on Breakneck and they're going to have Trail helper steart thank you Steward which is great I mean you know that's really good but I I would be a little more concerned about that I don't know who's whose concern is that oh with regards to Emergency Services well again that would be sort of planning but also I I would think it would be F your Trails concerned that they would want to provide some uh subcontractors to be available uh if they're going to be collecting money and looking for 501c donations uh they're inviting people to here they're increasing the numbers and for us to take the burden of you know as taxpayers well yeah yeah it would be great if they would open if the parks police would open an office there's they they talk about the parks for that's one of the agencies that provides and the nearest one is in Westchester it takes they said it would take 39 minutes for anyone from that office to get up here in in event of an emergency so that'll be the last but but it would be a nice touch that's a really good idea have that given certainly there's going to be more people this Trail on F Trail than there is probably anything in Westchester yeah and Westchester has more available

resources really for the most part we're we're more spread out here I mean Beacon certainly have more in into Newber right yeah I mean to a certain degree less people are going to hurt themselves on this Trail oh that's Trail yeah so like but the thing is you're increasing total by 50% and how many people are going to go up in where you get hurt is when you go to the hills I I've almost broke my ankle yeah lots of times but like being on the trail how dangerous could be on on board I've never hurt myself on a board I'm not worried about that but you are increasing by 50% so are part of that 50% going to go up into the hills and that's where you get hurt so well I think I mean if I may speak freely you also have to kind of measure their intended audience their intended audience the physically impaired and the elderly that poses a higher risk I mean like I said you can't imagine how you can get hurt on a boardwalk but if you're already impaired in some kind of man old people are GNA speaking as one going to have strokes they're going to have heart attacks I mean there it's going to be an impact it's not just a boardwalk there's other their climbing features as part of where you step down by the water yeah and and and consider everything with actual uh accessibility guidelines I think that's also important to yeah um so uh so the other thing is I we touched you put you put some out lighting that may be at night over this Trail there will be no lighting they say okay no impact of lighting I I thought they had said that or if they put Lighting on it'll be the Caps that sort of project downward it says no lighting period that's great because there is a Serenity of the night looking out at that I got a street light right in front of my house so I there is going to be Lighting in certain places not necessarily like it's not going to be a

lit up Trail I I can't remember where it was frankly in this but I did read that they there were some like access points in certain places where there was going to be lighting but it's going to be lighting that looks down is is what I read yeah like you yeah dark dark they talk about the it'll comply with dark sky that's it I can should be able to search for that see they why they said that and comply with the dark sky means that they're not going to shoot it up yeah that's a standard or go horizontal it only projects downward like what what they put the new lighting at the do now yeah not be negative on birds things like that lighting light pollution in the executive summary there's a paragraph called electricity and lighting I got noise quality any any new lighting associated with your Trail North oh okay I I think that that's what I've been hearing and I think I had read it so I agree with that here we go electricity and lighting uh Section 3 M1 infrastructure and there's two sections there's also M4 so there's M1 and M4 I think M2 also mentioned your Trail it measures what your Trail sou yeah oh infrastructure it seem to say that the lighting would be associated with breast rooms and the park

okay so what else did you pick up on this error very well what did you um yeah we all know the fence congestion at the end of Main Street um parking you know just length of construction you know it's all will all these things be followed through on will they all go to the they say only 50% increase will all these things go to the plan yeah yeah it'd be great if they started it you know down at standing point away from our village but I guess that's I don't know how much control we have over that well it's still may be an option because this is probably uh one of the uh most residential impacted areas that you would have or uh the viewshed impact again it has not been shown but it it has been sort of acknowledged but subtly uh and so net net of it is if they started it at little Stone Point it wouldn't impact as many residences or people who are hiking per se you know because they're starting when it goes across a little Stony Point it's not going to go on the rim of little Sunny Point it's going to go he goes through it and then it runs along the rail so uh what's the people missing out would be those driving on that between that break neck and then from break Neck North to The Duchess R yeah so so first of all it talked on M1 it talked about a solar farm Source on denning's point to provide electricity for the lighting I'm looking for M4 to see what it says with regards to the nature of the lights here we go electricity and lighting that under the buildings Point

not okay getting Point lighting for naous Hill it's not saying anything specific doesn't say anything about the night sky the lighting that you referenced to I think it might be try M2 M2 at least that's where I found the South one says any new lighting associated with your Trail South would need would be dark sky compliant and would generally be down and you're looking at M2 I'm now looking at M2 as well right under table for M2 electricity you might be in three which is the north oh table four initially it told me to go to three so this is 4 M2 right below that electricity and Li okay see that's why you need a lot of people looking at this I mean I I went to lighting and it took me to section three the book yeah even with the book um while you're looking for that I thought it was interesting that there was again I don't remember where it was in this document but a discussion about the sales tax Reit well that's that's and wait um I I I thought it was actually a very good discussion and explained it really well about how you know Beacon doesn't have the same issue that Cold Spring has with sales tax revenue sharing and I I'm just saying I just thought it that that was very interesting right Beacon's money goes right to Beacon right the Westchester or yeah no the the The Duchess County I know my geography yeah yeah sort of no that just um does share like it's like it was said like out of so many you know counties in New York

the certain number share and a certain number don't share and putam is one that doesn't share and so they were very careful to say that an advantage of this is to increase sales tax revenue to puam County and whereas in Beacon it's increased sales tax revenue to Beacon and um bishko too good point um I don't know why that I I thought that was good that they explained it that way because a lot of people don't understand that that that's why a lot of people don't understand why people in the village don't love having Florest you know um I wish there was some opportunity to fix that but I know people yeah I was thinking I was trying to think of I was literally thinking just what you were saying I was thinking why why isn't it Cold Spring if if carmel's not going to send us any uh money you know tack on our own 1% or 2% on top of eight make it 10% you know sort of tax people out of the location just like your parking you know costs well when they when they do finish the Airbnb or the short-term rental rules um The Village will be getting um revenue from those rentals which is you know that will be helpful yeah but I think that stuff is self-reported so that's based on whatever the post you know wants it tell and I was on I was on that um there I I think that they are looking at ways to to make sure people are are accountable you know who because if you advertise on the website that's going to be monitored and you're going to be able to see if you guesting I think yeah you are correct about that it's just that stuff also cost us money so you know in turn

to collect the money we have to oh yeah cuz we have to get the software to scrape that oh yeah um I think the village is a little bit frustrated about that oh really oh yeah you know it's funny Abigail I still haven't seen it I'm on section 4 M2 and I'm just curious finding it seeing if I can actually find it about the uh the night sky lighting here maybe Robert you can see it that looks like section 4m2 right that's what you call me yeah there should be a a table of some sort and right below that table okay not quite sure which SE any new lighting asso oh so it's in a table itself okay right below the table okay you were off by okay so it was M3 is it yeah oh apologies no no are we so but it says would be generally downfacing is that um law language like just to say just in case we want to put you in a spotlight so Eric what are the particular areas you think that because I mean I just have opinions I don't know if they're within the framework that I don't think we really have I mean the CBA is about it we list we hear appeals um from our residents we don't really um we're not really experts on anything we just have the same opinions as anyone else yeah outside of zoning so so you know I don't really know how to frame this

response I think the way you did it right up front is is the way to do it uh you simply say that you know you really don't have jurisdiction uh to uh you know um hold them to any particular codes of this area obviously and you know New York State can handle things as so it prefaces it right up front what the reader can expect going down but but what they're looking for I think uh from our body uh is what are what are the concerns that we look for in zoning and a lot of it is you know visual impact uh size of structures uh setbacks um Community character neighborhood Well Community character yeah sure neighborhood neighborhood I mean there's and those that's where maybe we could talk about the impact on like we talk about well what's the impact on the character of the neighborhood if they build whatever um we talk about that all the time and we well we have we did talked about that tonight that's true the visual you can open it up like whilst we understand that our you know our our comments on this situation are superseded by the the desires of the state of New York we have as a body been in charge of keeping the character of our Community for the last amount of years and in keeping with the character of our community we think it's important that we State our comments that we've observed in our diligence as to negative effects in so much as they're in the village of cspring this would be offence this would be um

congestion these are the comments that we see we we understand it has no we have no ability to enforce this but we think the state of New York should hear from the community I think you're right on I that that we know our community better than they do and so they're trying to say well we've been entrusted to speak for the community and in so much as we represent the community we've always fences a certain level houses a certain color what you know setbacks a certain way we know we don't have the thing but as a state we think it's valuable that you listen to this Village's you know comments from the people who have been entrusted to do this in what way is community character negatively impacted in addition to fence I think by by and positively if any think yeah I think I well I was gonna go there too that that but but negatively impact there's traffic there's just you know crowding the crowding the number of people um the there will be added expenses to the Village um that's not character okay sorry there will be there an exraction it becomes more of a uh a go-to location instead of a just a quiet little village you know if you compare it to the Jersey Shore any any any any that has a boardwalk it has a certain character to it it has a certain you know late night oh that's a good drunk Pizza so yeah are we going to have to pick Park D versus a community where you have a this is important right here Kathy knows who to pick you know yeah no no seriously I think this is one of they they're not

only turning to us as a body as a zoning board but they're saying you know we are just reflecting out who our village is what our village is we always take the Pulse of what's going on around here in order to try to figure out we're we're listening to people we're listening we're listening to neighbors saying how how they feel about certain you know projects and everything so we're listening everything and what what do they an what what have they told us that they it's always our job to interpret the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law right and so this is down to a level I think that's very important because it sends to them a message as to who Co who what Cold Spring is and maybe while people are always invited we don't want to become by just it if potentially it becomes like a super attraction yeah it's the magnitude of the of the project I think I mean I think a lot of people would love to see a trail between Colt spring and Beacon and I for one at think that you know I feel proud to live in a village where people want to want to visit and I would feel proud to live in a village where there was a a lovely trail that people would come and visit and enjoy but to me it's just the magnitude of this project is I think that's it because I have no problem coming I I've already said you say magnitude what you me um tall fences elevated walkways out on the water the potential of commercialization because I I don't know I can't remember where I read things but you know reading things like for a while there's going to be plenty of money but what happens when the money runs out and what they do concession stands those kinds of fears of commercial commercialization of the project um it's just a spectacular attraction it really is it's like going to you know Playland and seeing like one of the

great assets of Playland in a way it's too good it's too big it's too bigest in the m and again I have no problem coming I have no problem thousands of people walking in front of my house I don't never did I even said that my sister I said if the fence is going to be that high I said just just build the sidewalk in front of my house you know I I said you know this way everybody can enjoy the river instead of just the people on the boardwalk I mean and it's not that I'm against there there are areas of the trail that really nice and they're not as impactful once you get like to the rise and Beyond or even Beyond little Stony Point where it's just traffic going back and forth but again how many people have ever driven down from Duchess Manor down the hill towards Cold Spring and you come out and you see that huge view of the river looking South and it's pretty spectacular well you're not going to see that once you get to 30 40 feet above you w you won't see because it'll be straight staes going down so it's like how we balance things a lot and you talk about balancing things and and it's it's as though what feels uncomfortable to me is that Village Life is is not is way down to producing this wonderful attraction for the entire West E west coast East Coast you know and so it feels as though the balance is skewed see that's where I'm thinking it's too big it's too balances off social effects that in a swamp the the the daily life delic society that we have now yeah

which almost I mean it's not as I mean things change and we all know that things change all the time things are going to change that's the only thing we know is really going to happen however um so I don't want it to sound like we're just saying know we just want to keep things the same no I know we like people come here I love seen people walking by my house but you know there's another really good point cross comparative sometimes you have to look at things in relation from one thing to another Beacon can handle it they're a huge City not only that this is all the way down by their Waterfront so this is not in their neighborhood this is not in their amongst their residences per se this is all the way down by the Riverside where there's a a train station and everything that separates everything out our our housing our residences go right to the water and and and and but and not only that Beacon has so many inroads and out roads and they have a they have a uh Interstate right next to it like within a mile and a half of the train tracks Interstate much more parking at their train station yeah and their main street will not be they'll have more people but the people have to get all the way from down by the dock side by the train a mile all the way up to Main Street and it's not like they walk off a train here and it's not even a half a block and bang you're in this you have to say I keep saying C bring the beacon we have to look at it cross comparative and and and and this is why Beacon and Fishkill are not particularly like you know like like I think like worried terribly worried I mean because it it it will bring more business but it will be less of an impact on the the immediate residences well and it'll bring more business that they will get sales tax revenue for whereas the village of Cold

Spring will not and they're also spread out yeah there those businesses are spread out by by a mile and a half two miles a long so you have and and by the way this is the same Trail so it ends here and it goes up there so while they can handle that load maybe we just can't on that level I mean it's just anyway my is there an intended direction for the people to go or is that not are people going to go to that and they talk about different entry points is supposed to help the there'll be they'll be entering it in the middle too a train stop there yeah yeah um which that's good that the you know you can go in the middle and go one way or the other and so it's not all necessarily going to come so we can say that's a good thing I'm trying to think a good thing um but I mean that's there are there are great things about it there really are the question is are we of a v a size you know nestled in in in the crash of two mountains with hardly any Ingress in egress to handle yeah this I think that's what this bord always deals with right is it deals with usually issues of scale Heights of fences Heights of setbacks square footage on lots and perhaps his scale is just our comment that to the state of New York like we are a small little village and and we've had the pulse of this town for x amount of years and you know this scale please be cautious with our little village you know mismatch in scale between uh the overpowering um effects like imagine dropping a big rock in a little pond get way I love I love I love tourists I love sharing where I decided to live I love the fact that they fund all these

restaurants that we can go to because they can survive risks um but you make great comments on I love zip lines should we put a zipline down Main Street over the top of Main Street you know down to the river that wouldn't be a good use of scale in like our community so like you know there's things I I love boardwalks but it's that scale you know for this community the you know and the two terminuses of it you know one is one is in a position to really handle that heavy flow and to spread it out across a broad spectrum of Beacon yeah but that that's not the case in this we're not set up we couldn't if we wanted to like we can't widen our we can't because because geographically it's not possible wasn't there some talk about not having the trail even be in Cold Spring well you know I I think the best idea is if it did start at at little Stony Point yeah they're going to increase the parking there they will also have parking of a Dutchess Manor where it would take nothing that for you to park there and if you just wanted to go down a little Stony Point or you they would take you right to the trail site and what it will do is If people really still wanted to get off Cold Spring and walk it they could and they could get right on the trail within 6 minutes because it takes me about six minutes to walk to the train station the way do now down Fair they can get right down a fair street and sidewalk and again it's not to just say oh not in our backyard we already have a lot of people I don't mind it I like it you know I mean like I when we first moved here I first moved here in like 2000 the place was a dead zone in the winter you got used to thinking that most of the shops 50% of them would be closed easily are we getting somewhere yeah um I've taken notes of everything

you're saying um I I'm not as pessimistic as the as the other three of you um when I when I visited River Walk type attractions in other places other cities they're generally deserted I don't see Americans just being that much into exercise of walking on average um I I don't um I'm not so sure that there will be such a crush of people want to walk Miles when they can't get a slurpie or anything yeah yeah yeah so U I'm not quite as worried which is not to say I dismiss the possibility um I just think it's a lower risk and the rest of you are are are assuming well so then if not very many people come then there's going to be this huge fence and elevated walkway for well there'll be a great there'll be a great um benefit for those of us who live here that's will be that don't live on Fair Street and want to see the water I'm just well or any any place no you're right I the general notion of it is great it's just oh what it's it's the people call it like a Disneyland attraction it's that aspect of it and that that concerns me I don't think it's on the level of Disneyland I know the average person

it's still just it's just landscape so um I mean even now how crowded do dark side that dark side you can walk in breathtaking breathtaking scenery and it's just never that crowded well I don't know I never go on the weekends do you go on the weekends casually yeah and so it's not that crowded on the weekends no it's manageable yeah it's definitely crowd it's not um I haven't gone down during absolute Peak like had a few of those days this summer yeah well everybody again is supposed to have an opinion on it and what would make it less of a wonderment is if they just put everything in it yeah you know yeah I wish we knew more about the fence what what would be made of whether it's transparent or okay some was commenting on tonight's webinar that they love the new rendition of fense um I don't know when they meant when new was whe it was whether it's in book or there supposedly it's not chain link anymore well it's too bad they didn't specify where they saw it so we everybody could see it no yeah it was just some person ing on Project oh so that this was the um comment comment listening tonight it started at six o'clock tonight and somebody was commenting that the new fence look great I don't know what fence they were talking about well the other thing is I was listening pretty much from 2 o'clock to 4 o'clock with some of the state park people and and I know most of the players and they had most of the people

who were actually in the organization you know coming in and speaking and not necessarily mentioning you know personal yeah you know um position on it and what their affiliation was yeah so uh that's why if they were so if they were going to be so helpful to say you would think they would tell you oh but still have they have yet not yet done here I would say at least 50% of the people were people who were connected that I heard speak because I know the names yeah tonight recognize a lot of the names contractors could we could we suggest that there be a artist rendering um that's that's a good point that's a great point that could just put everything to rest and it would be I I would and and not have them say oh well we're we're still working on it yeah no just get the best one you got so far you know because you know it was supposed to already be in here because this was the final comment period so it's hard not to feel um manipulated is right word that were being sold it's misrepresented a little bit because I just wish that you know you're saying this is your final time I remember I asked I asked something I don't want to start getting into the words really quickly here but I said is this the final I said this this DGI is uh is one of the big aspects is fet you know you know let alone Transportation impact population yes VI is this the last time to say it yes it is and then what goes on from there what can anybody have further input obviously we know the H the writings can go until to March but beyond that point they said once it's

approved it's only like well well whether they change the railings from a composite to a wood or something like that it's done it's over the input's over so one of the great things we could do is give us your best rendition because it was supposed to be in here and and and we want to have we want to have because otherwise you know we're just sort of floundering because we don't have anything and I would say a rendition that's on the East Shoreline uh both at at water level and at um you know maybe 70 feet because I think that's first opportunity you would get to if you were standing you're 70t tall in mayor's Park that you actually look down and actually see a small percentage of the river not having to look through a structure because I did a little scoping of it with a trajectory set and I was actually gonna have somebody an AR an AR architect the rendition because you said A View From ground level or water level both a view from the ground level an artist rendition of the impact say and make it just easy mayor's part because yeah that's yeah that's ground level yeah and it is virtually water level because it's the only thing that's keeping the water from getting in there is the train so and you know another level from the East Shore say at 70 feet you know or roughly in that vicinity so you want a low level and if you were up at 70 ft what what percentage in our minds as we look down will it's still take away view shed of the water why 70 ft mean for people up on the on Islands well yeah sort of even on Grand View or anything like that you know just go these are residences not necessarily mine but I just trying to see how it

just plays out that's all and I just think it would be up front you know that's all let me read the notes that I Tak um they just SK a skeleton of um DBA has no direct application but it is AD depth and balancing benefits and detriments especially um especially with with an eye to community character so here we're concerned about vatable impact bulk which is again a core one of the core concerns that we bring to every application uh Under The Heading of harms to community character we have uh about traffic crowds commercialization and in general um mismatch in scale between social effects of your Trail and the ability of cman to absorb them without change ter way use and um residences in Cold Spring about the trail their Trail runs right adjacent to residences unlike in beacon beacon can handle the social effects spill over from the trail Cold Spring cannot so it's unfair to assimilate two of them as equivalent did you just reference the beacon there I missed that yes thank you very much I'm sorry and then those are the um basically the concerns the negatives and um um that's getting a pessimistic case and I would balance it by citing I'm particularly um

um particularly impressed by the U creation of white me Community character can be improved and there can be an effect on community character that's positive know there can be change it's positive we getting that here with a connection dock get that so finally you can bicycle which is BAS I used to be a Bic I don't not it's possible cars everywhere shoulders no shoulders Hills everywhere you go once you get out of the center of the village yeah so finally opport to Bicycle finally an opportunity for seniors and people with disabilities to hike you know level that they can handle nowhere else can you do that here Carree transportation for the first time coming deep in C spring new measure and new measures to mitigate vehicle adusted Crow which won't happen if your Trails not built the additional parking new parking the things listed in the in the section of traffic right yeah they talk about eliminating um a few of the parking spots right at the corners the intersection of Main and 9 it's actually right now you can park practically right up to the corner it's actually a violation of state law it's not supposed to be that way supposed to have there's a certain footage of it's supposed to be left clear we have we're letting people park there it shouldn't be that those would be eliminated to improve traffic go around the corners so is that what they meant when they said they'll eliminate them parking on Main Street okay that's a good idea you're

great that's I would emercy Services talked about we propose I me utopian a utopian suggestion is that the parks Poli open an office oh there you up here and um make make it their their business to respond to emergencies and the increased trash that Village La handle and so I can put all of this into a memo this is excellent Eric thank you for putting that together that um so I have this thought do you know if anyone at the Village has looked at the potential cost to the Village even you know looking at their numbers and and costs in terms of trash and I don't know why I'm so St I think I got a big electric bill today so I'm stuck on electricity um yeah um you know that if if anyone because I'm just really curi then we know and then we could propose ways to deal with those costs I'm not saying like just do it just say that it's bad it's to do it so that the village would know what it's getting into and then propose I don't think that's been done yet but I bet it's on the agenda I that's part of why trustees hired this planner oh okay the planner who will that's kind of bread and butter for him look at something like that and then come up with dollars and cents about what it might okay could we put it in there though that we is that outside our no okay I just because that but I don't want it to sound negative because I think that you know we go to the county and say look Financial a more um a um

explicit Financial Accounting of costs that the village will have new costs the new cost and strategies to um those and then pass that information on to the carel carel oh yeah the last thing I would say and I know you're typing song though not you don't have to be listening right now um that because this is part of what they're doing it's the of an alternative if it really comes down to that because that's what people there's there's a lot of so we look at what is a potential alternative grout and I personally don't mind fair street and I think Fair Street is level and the way we have constructed uh the state park over there we can get uh you know you know wheelchairs in and everything and get it right you know as well as bikes right right to the trail yeah so I'm what I'm just simply saying that there is that alternative and it's relatively level and it's not too traffic intensive is there a bike lane on fa Street uh not yet they will probably construct both a bike lane and just a walk lane is what I they because the traffic I'm the parking will be eliminated they seem to imply that fair spe is off the table when they talk about that alternative they say idea met with Fierce Community resistance the community doesn't want it and that's the only time they say that in the

whole I can't say to you as a lawyer and when you're when you're writing this without knowing that you have opposition you can write anything you want and because it's really not going to get criticized and so what they're doing is what lawyers do is they push towards a goal of where they want to be so what they do because they did this of a dutches who's looking on the screen so they did this up at Dutch's matter they I I I know all the insides of it because I at state parks and um uh the net net of it is they they had a specific goal specific interest they made it very clear so they were downplaying every other alternative they were like you know this this this is the possibility but it's no good for this reason so therefore the best thing is this one right along the water so you you would Advocate taking another look as you keeping it open as an alternative yeah you know especially until an idea of what this um walkway will look like you know from the street level from anybody along the shoreline level people might say oh well no I don't want I'd rather have it along Fair Street than to lose than to lose the view sh big advantage that liting the fence yeah when you see it I think you'll appreciate it and I I can guarantee you 100 first of all there were several people who mentioned what I had mentioned even though I didn't go online I promised my brother I wouldn't say anything negative and especially since I know most of the players so the only thing I'm going to do is write something not negative but simply say where where where is the the visual impact yeah you know where the comment we're supposed to make about view so just you know

where is it and uh I mean I lobby with these guys up in Aly and everything so if I got up there start saying something my sister always e text me she's like would you please something say and then my brother got on my case he goes you're the president of little Stony Point you got to say something I said listen uh I said I got to be I've got to be up front with you look if if I saw what the impact would be if you put it in here I would I would talk about it I would know what to talk about but I can't talk about something I can't see yeah that's I have that request clear artist rendering of the fence yeah St ASAP showing views from both sides of ground level and 70 fet from the East side looking West meaning from East they'll do everything to to to try to I'm telling you be on the east side that's where we are Cold Spring we're on the east side of the shore okay and that's how what we're impacted by but that's also people all the hikers who come off the train and walk up fair street they're looking out there they take pictures as you say right there when they come to Little Stony Point that building that we built you know we grant money in our own hands because we had to do it in kind but that has beautiful views right where that building is and we measured out what would be and it would be completely obstructed by the fence that they proposed wow so we wouldn't see the river we we would see and especially as you're looking to to to West Point which is almost due south or you know due Southeast but it's on a linear projection the posts that are needed to reinforce hold that and the winds and everything they they've already shown us what it was and all it was boom boom boom boom boom you couldn't see the river every six feet probably they're going post yeah they got hold wind it's been so windy this wind oh how about

yeah yeah I I guess I go back to the tradeoff with the balancing notion of you you lose that view or part of it not going to be ruined but it'll be diminished and what you gain turns of view you gain what what what you will see from the yeah and I don't mean to be totally negative on this like you know to a certain degree we're told to give comments and it's easy to give negative comments but to a certain degree it's an amazing opportunity but like when I say scale I like a good correlation could be like look at this wonderful scale of Breakneck and the people that climb that but how dangerous and how chaotic is it for they had people there helping and dieting and so I would just hope that this project is what are we going to do this necessarily change it um that they follow through with like whe when they're at the base of Breakneck and you have people guiding be careful don't go up in flipflops don't do this that the scale of this thing is followed through with garbage collection is taken care of that that that that it's upkeep that it's maintained that it's that all those things are followed through on I don't know how you enforce that or get that yeah that that that courtesies are taken to yeah we have an opinion on these things because things that are not that's that's you know everyone can throw up a piece of infrastructure and then leave and then you know it's a white elevant but I I would I mean bicycle you can't ride a bicycle anywhere it's a wonderful opportunity for us to ride a bicycle there there's a lot of wonderful things about this Trail you know yeah and um I mean if we look at if we look at track record um there really is no I can't think of any time when State Park or a scen a

cutom property or um Senor cutom B has fall into ruin I mean they're just not in the habit of w building something build I mean when have you seen a seen a cson on one of their properties just like Fall Fall to Pieces yeah I got I'll add something to that because it is true that you know I think when they build it it it's a pretty strong spend half a billion dollars on it it's going to be it's going to be a pretty strong behind it that that I I do you know Flagship of the of State Park system and they just you don't see those things Fall New York City in the 70s maybe but never at any other time have I seen in New York state so and by the way I go to Cena Hudson parks and pking trails all the time always deserted they're in Immaculate condition and they're deserted so exactly what I was going to say you were just saying dark side is you know it's a beautiful place right you said yeah and yet and it's not many people going down there so my flip side argument to that is why build this other structure and you know take away what is peace and serenity for people who are on the shoreline and you're going to say basically the ones who are going to get it are those who go on the trail so you no longer can just get it from the shoreline you have to go on to the trail to get it which you know I that's where my objection lies if the if it's as impactful as it was uh shown to be during Renditions so my concern is that they put the trail in I'm sure it'll be used more the do you know is currently uh but dock side is a good example and most of

the people who come here they go to the mountains they go to the mountains to hike they really don't they don't go to a little Stony Point to to hang out by the river you know that often not you know that often I would say less than 3% of the people of all the people who get off the train go they want to go in the mountains they want to hike and I was up there today and you cannot believe how wide those Trails when I was first hiking them only about 30 years ago the paths were like this wide and it was grass growing over and everything and you say gosh why why doesn't anybody else do this you know and to me it was like sort of lonely and sad now now there's tons of people and now you pick the times when you go but there's also the trails are 30 yards wide and and trails around Trails so there becomes an issue of denuding of the the uh natural paa uh because it's trample trample trample so uh in any event that aside most of the people will go to the mountains they do now so you're saying that that that is going to be kept up and be kept in good condition I agree I agree with you reasonably I mean we can't just that's good yeah I wouldn't really good I wouldn't um I think it would be unreasonable to veto the project just because of fear of that yeah in terms of that it's the UN but that's where I would are be really curious about the ongoing cost to the Village so that would be really helpful yeah because they're not they seemed the in the information that I read really dismissed that I felt when I just the parts that I was able to read maybe on

the emergency levels and police response traffic the um garbage uh lighting yeah there's a lot I mean but maybe that's but I you know there are so many players in this that that's why I mean one is going to Butch another and not only that there's going to be a sort of a name on it you know uh there was a big benefactor behind all this yeah and so there's a lot of family pride in that and uh yeah it's it's just to you know just circling and and smizing you know the comments just in a sense of just you know there's a there's there's a lot to scale that could be worried and we should put those comments down they're asking for our comments oh yeah yeah yeah those comments there's a lot of wonderful things that this thing's going to provide us so I think we give a well-rounded document and right yeah there's something to the point of under guessing you know what may happen you know or taking putting too much faith in it I because we don't see it we don't know specifically yet but it is on a big enough scale to be concerned about how will it all be maintained yeah I picked up enough garbage with Boy Scouts in little Stony Point to know that they haven't always been perfect in so you probably you probably saw me there yeah yeah yeah so I will I'll draft a memo we can meet in two weeks we have a regular meeting two week now and the deadline is the end of the month so we can together review the draft awesome well thanks for putting all that together and great ideas I see it takes a few people to really think from a different angles because this is a rare type of uh uh item before us one one of a nice to get to comment on it yeah the only other business is two sets

of minutes so let's start with August 13 yeah y I guess only Maran of the present company called me Marana when I were there okay pressure's on Eric oh that one well now that reads good to me I wasn't in AUST I don't remember that I saw I saw beef salad at Mary uh Murphy's oh did you yeah um actually the only suggestion that I have to my submission is um I could elaborate on the question regarding the maintenance because I feel like that's still kind of big on the second page she responded to mesler's question regarding maintenance maybe I could just elaborate on what's the maintenance question was about yeah I don't I I vaguely remember that what was what was the complaint uh

I think it was right appearance and the aesthetic of Village yeah well how I think her yeah it was regarding the trailer but overall The Village's aesthetic maintenance if there's a standard and and and if that standard has to be actively met I think she was inquiring about something like that a nuisance yeah right commonly called like a nuisance law yeah it would be nuisance law that would probably be both enforced by the building inspector and the police but again I don't know the code for it but but there should there is code because you always want to guard against the nuisance how about saying something like question um um whether the condition of bet trailer violated anything the law just VI yeah I owe you guys a lot they're coming eventually and then I wanted on page one under right under board comment the first two sentences are sort of the same saying the same thing about the length of offense okay so I'm just thinking when we collapse in fact maybe just delete the first one just I attempted to confirm the length of the fence okay that would cover both why don't you put a comma uh you know or no I was about to say will the fence run the full length a lot too because that's what you were getting at regards that right so combine them rather than delete them yeah no you you think because you were there but I I see what it's it's being said here what your mindset was so if this is more than just

the length that's being given here it's the reason why you were thinking about it yeah that's right I think I would drawing this unclear I can combine them instead if that's yeah if it gives context and then reason yeah yeah um attempted to confirm the length of the defense and whether it would run the full width run the full width of both Bots period and the survey indicates it's marked at 114 feet in length or yeah was that his answer you remember Abigail what this 1443 is that is that him answering about the length or I think it's on the survey I think that's what we added up on the plan and I think he his answer might have been different which is why okay but I can include his answer then what John just said was fine too the period and then on the survey it's marked that's 114 then I think we need um anytime we have a workshop in in the minutes we have to end by by talking about the board setting the public hearing date okay that's something we have to do by vote we have to like it's a formal action by the board so we move today we agree a little so yeah just right before adjournment something like the board agreed to hold a public hearing on the application on September 10 2004

make a motion to approve the minutes as amended that's just the two of you or or can I can I do it I remember this guy coming before us can all vote this is the trailer up against the mountain over here yes he didn't like me I make a motion to approve as amended second it all in favor I I I unanimous so this was interesting on the depot Square you remember we talked about the the special use there was a provision about you remember we were talking first about a use change but then we were also thinking no there's also a special use year to year or something like that whether the use variants could be tried with a lease yes and then expire with the lease that's right that's what he yeah um which was more flexible than what we were originally thinking right um and less of a burden or we still would wouldn't run with the land like typical are and thus thus might be we might be M the great that's right it be I haven't checked with the attorneys whether that's possible seems plausible we certainly can attach conditions to a variance my my understanding is when when when when when you make an application like that sometimes it's a year-to-year one where they have to reup and they basically Ally come in and they make themselves known that this is a change of use in E area and it's it's really sort of a proor thing but it makes them aware that this is not you know forever but I I'll have to find it I know that's out there that's that'll be further down the road quite and assuming we even get there because now the other minutes let's um November 26 yeah this is more recent and everybody was

there not there we say everybody was there when you P right e e see any correction I don't I was going to ask you but there has nothing to do with the did we ever get an answer like for instance if if if uh a land owner has sort of grandfathered in say 40% coverage on the on the property and they want to say take down the portion like they did one

alongside the garage and overhang and build into the house which would have been within the confines of the setbacks uh say you're at 40% or say you're at 15% over did the the attorney ever say because I suggest that you can't just you know take that down and throw it over to another site property at least without review because I never got um an official opinion for the attorney on that you know what I'm saying because it it's one thing if it's like 3% or 5% but it' be another thing if it was and and there are instances where it's 40% and that's that's with the TR that question is with the trustees now they will consider oh that actual C we put before them is part of yes the um the memo um that we gave them that CBA gave them about suggestions for improving the chapter 134 that was the primary Point okay good I thought so that's why it's like floating in the back of my head I do so many the best way to resolve how that turn out yeah they so they haven't got through it yet but the best way to for that that question that ambiguity to be resolved is for them to legislate and answer and I really think that it should go before us at least to be you know for the public to know it's being looked at you just can't take a non-conforming use and say I don't want to hear anymore I'd rather really build onto my house you know it's it's changing things it it has an impact even if it's within the setbacks moving moving the coverage around a lot yes because it might be 20% and another because a lot of these lots are small and anyway that I I it wasn't like I

wanted to stop him from doing it it's just like you have to come up a force for a review there has to be oversight I just I don't think right now we have the sufficient ground to um to deny somebody um they challenge Us in court I really don't know if we if they have a lawyer know but with the language that we currently have with Cent something I agree with you when you read the language I was like uh I said that's just not I I was thinking that there was something else out there that that back my point but I couldn't find I'll let you know when when what they what the trust I think it's important to address it it's partly what they they think I mean how do they how much do they want to regulate this situation well it I think it's important I mean of all the things we have come before us but anyway I'm delaying all of us for a good evening great oh my God perfect do you guys want to move for that the last minutes which one oh somebody wanted um I move that we accept the meeting minutes uh for November 26 as written I second motion all in favor I I okay thanks have for catching I I move to a journ oh I'll second that no I I I guess didn't see any more of business and and Boston College is playing Harvard that's