Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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I think there we go. There we go. Oh my god. We did it. Hi everyone. Hey. Hey Jonathan. All right. I think we're ready. All right. I'll call this uh meeting of the um planning board of Cold Spring to order. Uh welcome back everyone. It's been a minute since I've since I've I've seen you all. Um, Donovan, good to see you again. Likewise.

Um, all right, we've got a few things to get through. Um, for expediency's sake, I wonder um, since we do have guests today, um, oh, I might make up a motion to move the new business to the front of the agenda so we can get that done. Can I get a second on that? Second. All right. All in favor? I.

All right. Great. Welcome. Um so, uh this is the planning board. Uh uh we are a group of uh Cold Spring residents who volunteer our time, um to help u the village work through planning applications, changes of use. And um hopefully you got a um uh we actually just uh uh published a new kind of guide for folks on on what this process to tends to look like. I don't if you had a chance to see that in the in the application process. A did they get that the guidelines? Yes. With the guidelines attached to a lot of information.

Okay. Great. Great. Uh it's new. The reason I ask is like we're trying to make we're trying to make what is otherwise sometimes an opaque government process slightly more accessible to folks about you know what to expect and what the point is.

Um so this is a workshop session. The goal of this is to let the you know kind of like you know it is like chance for us to ask questions to understand what the what the application is to request additional information and and kind of work towards getting to um uh getting to a public hearing where the we let the public understand what the proposal is and you walk them through it. We ask questions there and then hopefully we can uh you know kind of resolve the application there. Um, so if you don't mind, uh, in this session, just talk us through what you're planning on doing and we'll have some questions for you. Yeah,

this is my partner, Eric. We're opening a dance studio on Main Street. It's right over the train tracks in the brick building. It was previously, well, it was built to be a dance studio and then it was occupied as a dance studio for 15 years. And then just uh for the past few years there is a retail business in there. Now that they've moved out, we've decided to move in and bring it back to a dance studio. So we'll be teaching ballroom, Latin and social dancing as well as ballet, contemporary modern for adults and children. Great. Yeah, that's exciting.

Exciting. Yeah, we actually uh this board uh dealt with the previous application to go from being a dance studio. So um hard to believe it's been been that long. Um what um what do you imagine the kind of hours of operation and and general kind of capacity you you can imagine entertaining there? Hours of operation we intend to be from 12 to 900 p.m. Monday through Friday. Saturdays you like we put 9 to5 but it could be maybe 10 to two depends on

you know our schedules and what fills up capacity for our classes we envision about 10 people for adults maybe 15 for kids. Do you imagine um hosting like recital and stuff there or I think there's enough space for a recital. We're hoping to use other venues in the area for that. Yeah. Right. Do you already have a client worth? Yes,

somewhat. We've been teaching in the area for the past four or five years and we've branched away from a franchise and now we're starting our own independent studio. So, we do have some students that would follow us. Some may say, you know, you never know what could happen, but I do believe that we will have students follow. Great. Um, all right. So, I see you have um this interior. Um usually one of the things that we we also need is um exterior site plan just to kind of get a sense of entrances and exits and kind of like where flow of traffic is going to be and also parking.

Uh parking is um uh there are parking requirements. My recollection is that building has ample parking in the back, but it's just good to to get it on a page. Uh, highlight the the spaces that are there. I took some additional photos of the outside of the building because I remember I didn't include like light fixtures and garbage disposal. So, I took some of those photos. I have them on my laptop. I do have other exterior photos of the building I could pull up as well um if you'd like or do you want me to have that for another time?

No, we we don't need it right right now. This is this is like mostly our suggestions here are for uh when we do the public hearing things things to bring so that the the one of our roles is to facilitate um information for the public to consume so they understand kind of what what is being proposed and and and and how that will play out. So um so yeah I think uh in terms of in terms of things to bring there photos are helpful they're not they're not required but but but definitely helpful. Um basically a similar so this is great for understanding the interior of the space.

Um uh typically a site plan includes just like the actual lot itself and it would include like the parking like kind of highlighting where the parking spaces are and what parking is available. Yeah. Um and uh John and my recollection is that the amount of parking is because this is not one of the uses that's actually on the parking uh chart or table rather. Yeah, that's correct. It's at our discretion about what's required. Um and sorry remind me the um what what the capacity was that you just that you just mentioned adults 15 kids.

Okay. Yeah. Um, so yeah, if if uh in the public hearing, you could actually in in advance of the public hearing um let's say at least a week in advance, if you could share that with Abigail in a PDF form so that we can review that in advance. Does an aerial view or can I Yes. Yeah. the brass monkey application. I mean, that's public. Yeah. Public record. And yeah, John, what is the what is the protocol there? Uh, yeah, that would be fine to to reuse as long as nothing's changed.

Um, so maybe maybe Abigail can provide you with that and you can verify that nothing is application. Well, at least the site plan that was in there and and you can verify that nothing material has changed from it. Is that still online, Abigail? Do you know? I'll check that up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Worst case, you might want to give them a call and ask got this information from I reached out to because the landlord had been through this process. That's that's the plan that he gave me. But I'll reach out to Brass Monkey and see if they have additional for the parking site plan. Well,

just just to save you. I mean, we have it like it's it's it's on it's on the website. It's a part of the application. Um either you can find it there or I'm sure Abigail can pick it up and share it. Okay. Um other questions from the board. Signage. Signage. Right. We don't have a sign yet. I've been working with this company called Fast Signs. They're in Wingers. Not sure if you've worked with them before and they're helping me go through code requirements to figure out uh what what we can create. Yeah. Lines of code.

Yeah. So there Yeah. there's a there's a sign chapter of the code. Um if if you're planning on having um an exterior sign that is more substantial um I think any anything that is like more than trying to remember what the what the min like basically if you have window sign like like window like like if you like painted the the name of it in the window I think that would um not require um additional um signage approval, but like anything that's like a physical sign has to go through uh HD HDRB, the the the historic district review board. Yes. Yeah.

So, that would be the one. So, probably what we would do in our application is we would conditionally approve uh assuming any signage was approved by them. So, so we would just make it a conditional approval. Yes. So, we wouldn't block we wouldn't block you from getting out of out of this this committee uh or this this board. Um and as soon as you had approval from HWB, it would make it would fulfill the requirement. Okay. Um when you when you get the um the site plan um just make sure that um parking is well marked on it and um crash.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh questions other questions from folks studio retail space dance same lighting I would imagine we had before lighting yes took some photos of that did you need lighting inside took pictures of the lights inside or just outside just like plants probably gotten it Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. Um, anything else? No.

All right. I think, um, I'm comfortable scheduling a public hearing with the expectation that, like I said, please give us that material seven days in advance. Um, so we need enough time to pub basically to to make sure that there's a public posting. Um, I think the requirement is 10 days in advance of the public hearing. Um, we're at the end of the month now. Um, when is our next meeting? March the 12th. 12. So, that's probably not enough time to get something published, right, Abigail?

Uh, I haven't worked with the This would be my first time working with the Pixie Journal, so I would We changed We journal. Yeah, to my understanding. All right. Well, I think that's probably good enough reason to not rush it in case things go ary. Um, so if our next one is on the 12th, that means the following was on the 26th. Are folks around for the 26th? Yes. Yes. Are the applicants available on the 26th?

Yeah. I propose uh schedule public hearing for March 26 for this application.

All in favor? So we have um do we have any idea how long the PFC journal I know you said that did they give you an indication? I mean obviously I haven't done it before so I I I I don't have any details at this moment. Is it a daily? I'm not sure. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. What's it called? If it's a daily, it might even journal. But if it's a if it's a daily, it might even be faster because what we have is is, you know, has to be in because it's only a weekly publication. So hopefully it'll be faster in the future. We'll see. Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully.

Right. I think that's all we need. You need to be go enjoy your evening. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. The breast monkey application should have everything you need. I'll look at that and then gather additional pictures of everything else. I don't need to have the sign, right? That's going to go through. If you have the information, it's useful for us to have, but but it's not required. It's it's not required. Um we'll we'll deal with that as we need to in the in the um uh eventual approval language.

Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. I do. Oh, you did. But, you know, here's the thing. I say, "Oh, they've got uh postings for the 24th or 26th, but those are postings online." So, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's Oh, but let's let's try to sign up for delivery. Well, frequency. Is there frequency? All right. So, we uh move on to the minutes. I think we've got minutes from the 14th. 25th. Let's do the 14th first.

See, looks like we were all here for the 14th

except for Kevin the 14th. Okay. Yeah, I was here. No match 15. and the waiverss were granted if the uh

frustration of the I think they weren't gr granted until this year but I think they they did eventually get granted but I I have not uh what are we still waiting on for 37th Street or um one one depot pavilion that I am not sure. They have not gotten their AC approval yet. I see. Oh, wow. Okay, that's rough. Um I'm I'm okay with approving these. Anyone have any edits?

Uh are you proposing or second? I I I was casually proposing, but I can I can if everyone's okay, I can officially propose as well. Go ahead. I propose we accept the meeting minutes from August 14th as stated. Second. All in favor? I thank you, Abigail. All right. September 25th. Like Henry was the only one I arrived at a later time. Oh. Oh my god. A few minutes.

Long enough to note in the minutes. Yeah. Holy cow.

Go to the merit. That's all. Okay. to me is looking nice these days.

Yeah, though I have I've also not gotten that one. What are we waiting on for that one? Just got their AC HB approval last week for the signage. Okay. So their application is or the the they met their conditions. Yes. Do you want me to you want me to Are we ready to sign and stamp or you need some time? Not tonight. I time. All right. Sounds good. Thank you.

Yep. Uh okay. minutes of September 25th, 2025. Second. All right. Great. All right. Let's move on to the your trail correspondences, the the responses to our questions. Um, does everyone have a chance to review those quickly? Uh, no. Okay. you

quickly. Yeah, I went through them, but it was when we were going to have the other meeting. I haven't gone since, so it's been a little bit. Yeah, I was I um detail

I reviewed all the answers to our questions. Um, I guess in a lot of ways the the responses mirrored our some of our complaints in our original letter that um there seemed to be a lot of kind of uh box checking, you know, kind of doing what kind of meeting the minimum requirement. And I think uh unfortunately I I don't really feel like really any of the questions are really meaningfully engaged with um

and uh you know I don't I mean I think at this point like the it's it's no longer a draft. It's now final. It's been it's been accepted by um the state. Um so I'm not sure there's much more for us to do. I think we, you know, we did our duty for the village. Um, we reviewed, we reviewed the the plan, we gave our comment. Um, and, uh, I think unfortunately I think that like where we're left is that we've what we've done is we've documented our concerns,

right? And I think that uh if if at the end of the day any of them become merited then we at least if we have something we can point to and say look we try to do our our diligence for the village and um the state uh and the trail folks did not seem to be interested in engaging with us. Um, Jonathan, is there any are there any other things that that are within our, you know, within our reach here to do with respect to this or is it is it mostly just, you know, what I said?

Yeah. No, it's pretty much what you said. I think that's kind of the uh the sentiment throughout the village is it it feels like the um the village's concerns were really not listened to. Um, I mean, it's possible that at some point uh down the road uh some sort of approval might come before the planning board. I don't know what that would be for. Um, but that would be a ways out. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah,

it wouldn't be an align alignment for us to um to make a statement that uh and by the way, I haven't read them well enough to feel this way, but um if I I also do see what you're saying that it was it looked very um firstly like their responses. So would we want to make a statement to the fact that we the responses are not not really satisfactory for us or is that just

I mean we can do whatever we want. We can you know if if it makes folks feel better to to have something and to you know have it in our record as a board beyond this discussion which is also in the record. Um and I think that's something we can do. How do you feel about it? Um, I have to think about it. I right now it feels a little bit like, you know, like dreaming at the ocean. Uh, good point. Good point. Good point.

Uh, so I I think that like what I would what I would ask folks to think about is just like what what do you want out of it? Like what what do what you do you want something that's just like more visible to the public? In a similar way, when our questions and our and our original comments are up there, I think like you could u I could imagine potentially adding um a follow-up addendum to our original thing just saying you know that uh that we found that that uh you know continued basically that there wasn't really meaningful engagement with with that stuff. so that if anyone looks at our original comments, they can see the the end of the story, which is that we made a comments and no one cared,

but phrase it a little differently. I actually think it's a good idea so that we're sort of on record saying, "Hey, we actually read what their responses and we don't feel that they were fully addressed and we're concerned how this project is going to go forward." Right. Yeah. Right. Um I can I just say something there. Um I wouldn't want them in say in five years when this this I don't believe this is going to happen for a long time by the way. Yeah. So in five years they're like well we we gave our answers to the planning board back. So you know um just to say like not satisfactory. Yeah. And then stop it. I mean it doesn't have to be more paragraph.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's you know it's it's you know it's it's kind of a period on the end of the sentence. we started. Yeah. But there wasn't a you know it was a final document now. So there wasn't a chance like where it says you know we they didn't respond to us. That's not the case because they didn't give us a chance to respond to this. There was nothing to respond to. They said we answered your questions here in the final. You know I mean I understand why you might want to do it but I don't think we we really I mean I like your point that said listen this is documented. We asked these questions. It's in the record how they answered them. You know, we could revisit them if if it becomes an issue. Yeah. So,

but I I don't mind making a statement either. You know, the planning board felt it wasn't as rigorous as it could have been with the with with the Yeah. with you know what the responses were. Yeah, I mean like I think um what I would encourage anyone who's interested in that like then if you want to draft something for the for the group again I don't think it has to be long. I would do I would encourage you to to to spend some time with your answers just to so that you can kind of feel the feel the actual like the what's there the substance of what's there or the absence absence of that. Um okay. Okay. So, um, right. So, I'll I'll there's no rush because there's nothing there's no timeline.

There's no timeline, right? You said it'll be five years before. Yeah. I mean, it does it does seem that they've they've for reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, they have delayed the cold spring connector part by a substantial amount. And they are number ideas as to why. Well, well, they and they are um going to contribute to the sidewalks of the building over on Fair Street. So, I think they realize it's going to take a while and it's going to impact so that they have to do something in the short term. So, yeah, at least they're they're acknowledging that that's not a viable solution of people walking in the middle.

Yeah, I think the village board has taken up that. Um I think the there's something I don't actually I don't remember the exact nature of the current state. I think Kathleen was saying Mayor Foley was saying that um that there's some basically like there's some budgetary requirements that we be able to cover a certain amount of the total project cost even if they are covering I don't know Jonathan were you part were you part of those guys what what what's the what's the current requirement there? Do you know that I'm not sure about

county and then I can put your trail also. Um, okay. So, we're okay. I think we can move on to the the marathon stuff. Some um I'll make a point that this is not this is not about any particular project because there is no application in front of the board.

Uh so we're not talking about any particular application as there is none. Uh however um uh there I believe that the developer is planning on running some public sessions to gain to gather information in pursuit of um making an application at some point in the near future. So, uh, this, um, this, uh, 134-12, uh, the plan NX use district. Um, I think we have two here. Are these the only two we have, Abigail?

Yeah. Okay. So the reason why I I wanted to bring this up is that this board does not have currently any experience with from scratch projects. We have we've had uh one project where there was substantial um modification to the building, one project where there was a substantial addition to the exterior of the building. Um we did subdivide a lot.

We did Yeah, we did the subdivision. So that was that was a bit of experience that we had. Um but what I want to what I want to kind of impress upon everybody that this is an opportunity for the board to make a very serious contribution to the village and the future of the village. So there's a lot of opportunity here for us to use our judgment and our creativity uh to work with a developer to craft a solution that um works well for the village and that meets our our broad requirements. And if you look at how other planning boards like in Beacon or other places have dealt with large developments, they are very active in their in their discussions with the developer and surfacing ideas about you know things that that we would like to see. So part of that, part of what comes with that with that uh opportunity is a responsibility to make suggestions and and to ideiate within the bounds of the code. Because you can imagine how frustrating it would be for a developer if we were making suggestions that, you know, we're we're were in violation of the requirements that were in here, right? And so if you if you think about what is in this um in this chapter, this is defining the playground, right? This is the this is the structure where our creativity can be applied. So the more familiar you are with the details of this chapter, the more you'll be able to impact the project in a serious way because you'll know what requirements the the developer is going to be subject to in order for them to deliver a full project plan that meets uh meets the code requirements. So that's why I think

um I would love for folks um um between now and the next time we meet to just spend some time with it. It's not, you know, it's it's it's not short, but it's also not a novel. Uh, and I think that like um the nice thing about this chapter is for the most part it's super self-contained because it is it is um the the the village uh wrote the language of this chapter uh with the idea that we have a large we have this incredibly large tract of land within a very small village and that uh it because it has such an outsiz impact on the experience of the village and the use of the use of land that the this district was created in order to for the village to express what it what it wanted for itself with respect to that land development. And um so there's a lot of there's good there's good flavor text here um about what the village uh what intends broadly but also like some very specific requirements about uh the types of uh buildings that are constructed and the mix of them and um and uh a lot of it is as you might imagine focused on bulking lifestyle uh small smaller uh uh smaller um uh dwellings and ones that are um amendable to a wide variety of both ages and economic uh um uh access u but as much as you can have in Cold Spring. Um so uh yeah um like I said there's there's there is a lot here but is at least all self-contained. It's a little bit it's it's kind of like a mini a little bit of a mini code inside of our inside of our larger code. Um it does

make some references to um uh to the broader code, but for the most part I think it's relatively self-contained. Um yeah. Uh Jonathan, any given given my goals here, anything you want to add?

No, I think that that's good advice to just generally familiarize yourselves uh with the section. I mean, we don't have an application yet, so we don't know what the project's going to look like. It could look like a lot of different things. Um, you know, I think it goes without saying that it's going to be much much bigger than any other project you guys have worked on so far. Um, so you're going to be working with this section of the code for uh quite some time once you do get that application

by many orders of magnitude. like there's there's going to be a lot to go over and a lot to think about and a lot to reconcile. Jonathan's going to help us any application that come comes through, he's going to help us um ensure uh that we're uh that one that is it is compliant in the right ways that we have the details that we need. Um but um but I want I really do want this board to feel comfortable engaging creatively with the developer on this stuff because I think like like our role like they're going to be soliciting information from the public but our role is also to really be an advocate for the village that what what we're getting here is aligned to what the village needs. though.

So, I thought I saw something in the newspaper that had that the regular board was the village board was going to work on this and then give it to the planning board.

So, the there is um there's a couple of things happening. So there are there are some sessions that the village board I think is working with the developer as public sessions to have them talk about what they're thinking about and to gain feedback and input. This is all in advance of any kind of application. So like formally this board is not engaged until there is an actual application that we can react to. But the village but the village board is very much invested would you know if I was in Mayor Foley's shoes I would very much want to engage the developer early. I would want to engage the public early. I want to make sure that there were like you know lots of communication lots of feedback lines before before any particular like project plan uh got proposed. Um, so, uh, we're I would be surprised if we saw a project plan for the summer.

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yeah, I mean, I don't really know what the the developers timeline looks like, but uh, yeah, I mean, it's definitely going to be a big submission that they have to to give to you guys. Um so um but I think like what what would probably be good because I think it's always it's always hard to just like be like go read some code that that um what might be a useful thing for us to have more regular discussions between now and when we have it is like um uh as we're reading write down thoughts questions and we can we can have more of a discussion session if folks are interested in doing that. um you know for the meetings that we do have we can just tack it on at the end to kind of talk about what's in here and what's in what's meant by certain things and and uh so if you'll like it interesting to people and useful

yes absolutely so is this this section number is this relate to the the villages online code yes this okay yeah okay uh 134-12 uh so 134 is the chapter which is which is our code and then chapter 12 is the plan makes use district which um defines basically the marathon site. Does it talk about um driving access to it?

It defines it defines um like road some like like access requirements within within the district. Um, and I think it may like because the the borders are aligned to two roads. Um, it it uh there may be some requirements on like updating the those roads to be standard. One road. Kimble is the only out road one way. The one that the one that goes into the condos. What's What's the inter? Well, you can you could take rock and make a right.

Yeah. Or you could take Or you could take wall and make a left. That's the one with the huge turn. That's the straight down my house. Correct. But once once once you're at that junction, then it's two-way. Then it's two-way and it's just the one the one street. So, right. But you can only get to it from rock or wall. And you can only get to Main Street by Kimble. Right. Right. And you could there's access going to the back, but you can't go through the condominium there. But but that's closed, but that also kicks out to the to Yeah. to one. Right. Exactly. Um

so I don't know what they do with that. I mean, I think that's the biggest problem you're seeing there. I think that's I think that's an enormous problem. I think it's really valid. I'm just trying to sort of get ahead of find out like what what our information sources should be around,

you know, traffic patterns, traffic management, etc. I mean, that's a big sort of environmental quality of life issue, isn't it? The the other one being um you know environmental being that you know there's it's obviously famously the you guys all know this first United States um and the status of that and the and and then the validation of the testing and I'm really interested.

Yeah. So um I give you a little bit of background on that. So one of the villages and believe motivations in re in um revamping the code and including this particular chapter um around the same time as the code got revamped um the EPA approved uh basically said that had that site had been fully remediated and um and had approved it for development. So it was previously zoned um light industrial,

right? uh which had a ver like you know the old code had had you know a lot of uses that were allowed uh both like homes and also lumber yards and you know uh oil reclamation like so it it it was it was not well scoped to to kind of like ensure its alignment with the villages uh future needs and because the EPA approved approved it develop approved it for development. It was basically, you know, either either when if a project is approved if if a use is established under an old code where that use was allowed, then the new code doesn't doesn't change it. Basically, it's subject to it's grandfathered in. So, uh, that's that's another reason why there was, you know, some time urgency on on I think I mean there's a lot of things that that the village needed to do with the code, but this was one of one of the things that I think facilitated uh the the attention.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I just want to make sure that the EPA's testing valid. Yeah. I don't know if there's any other authority you could appeal to on that. Uh, I've seen some testing trucks every once in a while down in the preserve doing Oh, in the in the marsh. Um, yeah, the actual marsh itself, I think I I don't I don't know what it status is. I think for the most part, I think they they did some scraping like the marsh was the was the was actually quite a bad place because that was where they just dumped

tires and things. No, they they dumped cadmium and other heavy metals directly into the Hudson from the foundry and also from the battery plants.

Yeah. Uh so it wasn't great. Uh so I I you know it's probably mostly fine as long as you don't disturb the sediment. Um but uh but that's that's outside of the bounds of this uh this um of this district. Um yeah, I think I think you know uh perfectly reasonable line of questioning. I think that like I would guess that you're that that questions would be more about even if the EPA has approved it for development it um I think there there are some guidelines about like what a developer can do with like the fill and how deep they can go and there's

there's a bunch of stuff like that which we we would want to understand exactly like what what care they're taking and where how they are establishing safety with respect to you know fill removal or uh and and you know how deep they're going in the EPA report. It's it wouldn't be in the code. No, I my recollection is that there may have been some guidance in the in the EPA approval about about how that was handled. I honestly I don't I don't remember. It's it's now been three years since I Is there a way to get a hold of you? Yeah, we I think we that's that's probably in my inbox somewhere.

The reason for my question is was just to is to really like you know be able to like um wrap our arms around the traffic patterns and then also about it just concern of mine was just having sort of seen you know other other EPA sites and other other toxic sites.

Yeah. to see how um how the EPA sources its data. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, like reasonable line of question questioning. Um, I would I think that like I believe that like like there's also like detection devices that have installed in the houses that are near there and things like that. So, my my recollection is that like they actually have level measurements for all the surrounding houses basement.

Okay. Um and so like you can kind of see where where there has like basically where things have been moving in the groundwater and stuff like that. Um and uh but what about um any health statistics from um constitution and that area? None that I'm aware of. I that may be what I'm about.

Yeah, 100%. I think I think there's there are like um we have to figure out exactly like you know what the and this is something Jonathan can help us with but like h like how to I think it would be helpful for us to be straightforward with what what specifically we're interested in trying to address and then and then getting Jonathan's help about like what lines uh of questioning and and what um what is like re like a reasonable set of things to to ask of the of of an applicant uh to demonstrate, right? Because there's this stuff can be hard when when it comes to like, you know, it's always hard, right? You're like, well, the EPA said it's safe and and EPA said it's safe, but would you move your family onto that plot? And it's like, well, those are two different thresholds, right? And uh and you know so some of it is like figuring out what is a level of like what are the things that we would like reassurance on and what are the ways in which we can get reassurance on that. Um and uh I think like you know there may be a there may be the the trickiness is the lines of like what's a standard by which uh is a reasonable demonstration of safety even if it doesn't meet the criteria of I would move my family there in a in a house that's constructed. Right. Like and that's that's a hard line to to navigate.

Yeah. Sure. Like was there an EPA report that cleared it? You know, final so there might be details in there that might be of interest. Like there might be a limitation of how deep they could go in the ground. Who knows? But I'm sure whoever the developer is is going to be fully aware of that and is going to have to adhere to those restrictions if there are any. I would think that there might be as you know just for a moment a thing that I would say for for the exercise between now and then

like this is where we can control right now like we we're going to ask all these things of the of the developer and I think if it's help for you as you're reading through this to to write down like things that you would ask somebody who was proposing something for for this definitely do that. Sure. Um, but I would encourage everyone to focus on this because this is what we actually have details about and and we we um we'll be able to push on these other things when we get an actual application,

right? Yeah. It's it's kind of like if they come in and they say they're oh, they're not doing anything. It's just going to be a ground top of whatever. Then then we're just chasing windmills for no reason, you know? We might as well just just wait to see what they come back with and see what fits in with this. Do you know what the timing is for the presentations that are eligible? Yeah, there's they were published in the paper. Starting to move on.

Things are starting to move, I think. Um, let's see. I got something from the mayor. So, I can give you some some additional information. So, um the owner of the Marathon property, Kernney Group, has hired um Bostonbased planning firm Spect uh visioning process for the site. Um in advance of their formal applications to the board, uh this uh they will be in the village to orient themselves uh to the Titan community, give a talk at Haldane on the concept of walkable cities. uh uh they would like to meet with a small group of stakeholders in advance of the talk including talking to four chairs get my perspectives schedule follows looks like this is on Monday and t oh man right um

what's the name of the owner Kier group yeah Who developer? Oh, it is. You said you said somebody, right? There's a planning firm. There's a planning firm called Spect. That sounds I'm guessing they're the same ones that did the fed meetings. I don't know that presentation kind of stuff sounds like well like the fact of a presentation or or just that you remember the name you remember the name. No I remember it was from Boston.

Okay. It was some uh some facilitation group that came in from Boston for the Okay. pure word. Um, due diligence. So, it looks like the mayor would like me to be there on Monday. Um, I think I can represent our current kind of perspective relatively well, but if there's anything you want want to call out um besides access and uh and you know, environmental safety, yeah, let me know. too. Um, you know, just the the like, you know, scall. Yeah. Um, is is

I suspect it I suspect this is going to be more about us giving them information about the village and about life in the village and things they should be considering in a in a design process, right? Um, road access. So like I think calling out road access is important for them to understand how how challenged roads are here in the village and how tightly packed and um and things like that and also like you know our understanding of the usage of the the foundry park and uh things like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Um so so that's happening and then there is a um on Tuesday at um starting at 6:30 doors open uh at Halane doesn't say but it may be um a do you have any information about that one?

I do. Okay. Um, so basically Tuesday in the evening at How Dian they're doing this talk. It's a more walkable cold spring. Um, yeah, that's what I got. Okay. Well, you're doing good. Anyone want to make a motion to adjurnn? I make a motion that we adjourn this meeting. I will second that motion. All in favor? I thank you. Abigail, can I see you when I see it?

Anyone who would who feels like they would work better with paper copy one here on it. I'll save our printer in our office. John, uh Jesse, what was that? I'll save our printer in our office a little bit. Yeah. Here we