Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

Peace.

Calling the meeting to order. And let us begin. Meet Gordon Street.

By Archive of the Takatina Firm. I'm Patrick Carroll. Taka, can you hear me? You're on mute currently. Hold on.

I got it. Can you hear us? Hello? Hello? Hi. Hi. How are you?

I'm new to this meeting. I'm sure they've been before you before, at least once.

We were not a part of the Cold Spring Historic District meeting previously. We've done it elsewhere.

Yes, we've been in a different district.

Yes. Hi, everyone.

I'm going to let them lead, and I will .

Is there a way we can show our screen?

Can you describe what the application is?

Yes. If it's OK, could we share our screen so that I can show you?

So we could explain.

Explain why we're looking at the same thing.

We're just changing the setting so that you can share.

Okay. I think we are. Share maybe? We just stopped. Bear with us, this is the first time us doing this one and we're looking at the settings.

Hold on one second, please. Yeah, we're at the share screen right now, but.

We're not clear as to.

Somehow.

Hold on.

OK. Let us try this. Do you want to try the?

Can you see our screen? Can you talk to them and see if they can see this? Hold on one second.

Can you try again?

Can you close it and try it again?

Sure.

Okay, here you go. Can you see us?

I mean the screen, yeah.

Can you see our screen? Okay, thank you so much for waiting and I'll just show our project. Our project is located at 8 Garden Street. This is the site plan. Currently, the property has a single family house, and at the back has an existing studio. This photograph illustrates the view. Those two are the house captured from the Garden Street site. And those two images, the A and D, are the adjacent houses. Our project proposal renovation is at the backside of the house and at the studio. And those four images illustrates the existing conditions. E is taken from right here, looking back this side. And F is looking from all the way back to that side of the house. And then G is capturing this elevation. And H is capturing the studio. Um, let me go to the next one. There is four main goals in our project. And the first one is to replace the existing windows, which is a single pane glass. And we like to replace it with a dual glass windows to improve the envelope performance. We are proposing to replace it with the window match to existence and all the framing size and trim frame would be matched with the existing style and color. And another proposed design is to enhance the existing layout of the property. This is existing dining room, and this is existing bathroom, and this is existing kitchen. As you can see, the space is extremely tight and does not function well with the current owner's lifestyle. So what we are proposing is to flip the bathroom and by doing it, we would like to capture the existing patio as a part of a new envelope to have the bathrooms and open up the space to have a much bigger dining room and kitchens. So that's number two. And sadly, we like to add the shower at the existing studio, which currently used the gym. And so that after the workout, the owner can take a shower at the spot rather than going back, walking back to the main house. And lastly, we'd like to install the outside HVAC condenser unit on the existing roof to connect to the interior unit at the existing bathroom and the new kitchen dining areas. For this proposal, this is the area affected. This illustrates existing elevations, and this is the proposed elevations. So as I mentioned, the front portion of the house is not affected, and the backside of the main house, those are the existing windows, which will be replaced with the new, but the style to match. And here is the existing recessed areas, which we would like to capture it as a part of a new bathroom. And that would come with new windows, styled to match existing. And for better circulation, we would like to flip the door and windows, but styled to match existing. And at the studio, this is the studio elevations. there is an existing storage attached to the studio. We'd like to capture the footprint of that existing storage area to house the new bathroom at the studio. I think this is our proposed design. May? Yes. Did I miss anything?

No, I don't think so.

And I will just show up a product, proposed product, the windows and doors. We like to use a Marvin Elevate. They have a style to match the existing. And those are the details with this new proposed window systems. And all the frame around the new windows will be match the existing profile. So this is basically the scope of the work which you would like to apply for construction permit.

Anybody have any questions? Do we have catalog cuts of the windows that you're proposing?

This is the part of the catalog cut which I downloaded that is included in your package. And I could have a full package submitted to you if you like to have it. But it was like 20 some pages. So we just attached the section which is most illustrate the proposed system.

I've been using my own Elevate before. The interior is wood. The exterior is Ultrex, protruded fiberglass. There's not vinyl.

You're talking about the windows? Right, yeah.

Yes, Elevate is the exterior finishes the fiberglass.

The design generally makes sense to me. It's the side of the building. The choices seem logical. I was wondering if you have the window, the lights, how you selected. I guess we have two questions. You have some double hungs and some casements. And so if you could just point the casements out to us. And then there's the one window by the new door seems Somehow a little bit large maybe contextually. So if you could just touch on on that and how those lights were chosen.

So this is the one, new one, flipped location, and it was owner's desire to have a much larger window. And we studied the proportions, and this is the one which we like to proceed. I understand that this is wider than the existing one, but this was the wish list we had since this is in a... uh dining areas and we like to capture the view as much as we can towards the outside garden here and uh this is the only uh all those are existing sorry this those are all existing double hang windows to be replaced. This is the only casement window which we proposed because of the size of the window we can get, we thought it's much more elegant to have the double, sorry, casement windows. Having said that, we have no objection to change it to match with, you know, this is existing double-hung windows, much smaller than the one exists elsewhere. So we could have the double-hung windows if that satisfies your recommendations.

Patrick here. I also just interject. None of this is visible from sidewalk. Yes. We have a six-foot legal high fence. The neighbors don't even see into our courtyard except from the second floor. There's no context to go against for the rest of the neighborhood.

Do you have any information about the history of the

1827. It's one of three. The other one is directly across the street. It doesn't have casement windows. It's actually got plastic vinyl windows with no mullions in it at all. On the right-hand side is a yellow one. I think that's number nine. I'm number eight, and then there's seven across the street. Sarah, I forgot her name. It's the same context, same building as those three. And our exterior actually is probably less adulterated than those two exteriors.

All right. So where is the information about the windows?

We submitted the window schedule in here. Here's the window schedule in A400, and there's the cut sheet from the manufacturers.

Well, all of these proposals are being done in additions that have been put in after 1827. All right.

This is what we're talking about, this building here, right? And this is the studio?

Yes, studios, yeah.

So you said that none of it's visible from the street? None, I can give you a photo I just took five minutes ago, if you'd like. Okay, I guess, is this, this is not your building. This is a joining building.

This is the front of our house. This is currently number eight Garden Street. The, this is this blue, right? This is in the back. This is in the back, right? As you can tell, this is, this is the only angle into our backyard right now. And you can't see anything. This is now in the courtyard, looking back towards eight, looking west. We're going to take this negative space and build this out onto the existing box. The footprint in there is a three-foot crawl space with the drenched out drains for the entire thing. It's very dry. We're just trying to reuse that space in a more logical way.

OK. A, B, this one. That is the north side. I'm looking at here. C is directly on. It's directly in front of you. These, this, that is our neighbor, and then these are all from the interior. Okay. All right. Let's... How does the board feel about the fiberglass windows? The fiberglass windows. Right.

Okay.

Would or submit our battle.

Okay, Julio. Illumina cloud with seven. May be submitted only.

Um, what is the, the siding that you have right now?

Uh, I'm low to pull it off. It's been up there for about a hundred years. It's probably wood. It's probably going to go into the woods.

And, uh, so.

There are three things. There's a picture window, double hung casement, swinging French door. Are the doors being replaced with the swinging French?

That is what our proposal, yes.

And am I correct that they're basically the same fiberglass as the way that you're proposing for the windows?

Yes.

If an actor is going to say the same, we're not, I'm not looking to change anything on this. I just looking to move one door. Chief boss, that this would be a better solution than having two double honks in there, especially with the gas exchanges.

One thing that we are running into, we reviewed the rules again, and we are allowed to approve wood windows or aluminum-clad wood windows. And other materials could be approved, but we need to see a sample of them. So we would need to see a fiberglass sample of those.

Sure. I think we have the samples in the office and it would be happy to deliver to you.

Otherwise, I agree with Kate that this is a really nice minimal reconfiguration of a house that's grown up over time. and adapting it successfully to it. Thank you.

I just have one question, and it has to do with the window at the dining room.

Sure. Yep.

The overall configuration of all of the windows are rectangular. And the window, that one window is square or appears to be pretty square. And so to me, it sort of breaks the overall

I believe it's a rectangle, but who consumes that?

It's not a problem.

Am I correct that the idea is providing light at the dining room, at the dining table?

Yes, and we wanted to have maximum view looking out and proportionally works well in these elevations. That's how we determine the width of the window.

Okay, I guess my question is, can that be two rectangular windows as opposed to one big square one?

I would be happy to show the alternate and submit that to you. And that's a good idea that to keep in line with the existing language. And I believe that we had that version previously and happy to revisit and review that with the owner and resubmit as necessary.

Well, before you do that, does everybody agree with that or is the window here?

I'm actually less concerned with that because I've been growing up over time and there's a lot of different size windows and they don't have.

Well, but if you look at, I mean, that window, that window, that window is always the same. This obviously is small. window. These are in a different structure entirely.

I would point out again that none of this can be seen. There's no interaction between that window and any other point down the street. I expect a difference in that.

I think, yeah, what we're talking about there.

And Tataka's point, we can certainly give you drawings of two double hunts side by side.

All right. That would make me happier.

Yeah.

Bit eclectic design right now. It doesn't. I mean, it is on the side and it's a bleak and I could go either way, I guess, but it would be nice to do that. It's a little bit more refined that they need to see the material. Thank you.

All right, because we're talking about seeing the sample side. Okay. So do we want to put this off until next month and take a look at the samples and any other changes?

Yeah, as far as timeline, I don't want to hinder the work. I mean, we could approve basically the location of everything, say for that one window, getting that confirmation on that. And then the window type, right?

Well, I mean, I'm just looking, you know, comparing. This is the proposed. This is the existing proposed. And filling in that. This is all the same. This is all the same over here. That's facing the fact. So I guess I would hesitate doing that because all of these windows, the work involves windows which we're taking a look at a sample of. So, I mean, I'm not sure what, I think we can give them what we feel as far as the reconfiguration, but I mean, the window.

Yes, no.

I mean, I think we definitely need to see a sample, whether or not that can be done at the next meeting or a special meeting or something. We can't do it over email. We have to see it, and we have to be in person to approve it.

May I ask a point of clarification? It's the material that has not been approved, or is this an objection to the material? I'm confused on things to make this happen.

If this were an aluminum-clad wood window or a wood window, we could approve it right now. Because a fiberglass window, we have to see a sample of it.

Because the rules are written that only those two windows are allowed. Okay. Thank you. That was my point of clarification. Okay.

And then some board members are questioning the configuration of windows because it's large. And I think you want to see a, you want to see a design with two double hung ganged windows instead of one large

double hung window. From a user standpoint, interior, that space is quite dark right now. And therefore, we're putting, I'm just saying, you're going to put two double hung together, you're taking away more of that available light to come in. That's what I would point out. That's all.

Okay.

So we'll be happy to submit the alternate elevations and samples. I just wanted to point out one thing that, you know, those fiberglass windows are readily available and also really getting popular. And this was also decision is based on, our proposal is based on the budget because the fiberglass windows, as you know, is significantly lower in cost compared to the wood or aluminum windows.

I mean, the reason that we hesitate with the fiberglass window is that we're talking about materials which age differently from the materials around it. I mean, the building's clad in wood, and you're talking about using it and putting fiberglass window frame into it. And we... I think we hesitate to allow that. This is an old building. I mean, it dates back to the 1820s.

Which we're not touching. We're not touching the 1827 part at all. We're touching the, as you said, the building that had grown over the years.

I mean, they're still old. No, no. We do have to consider the material. No, no. That would go such a way.

OK. What part is the 1827 part?

This is the front square is the original house, like this one.

And then everything outside the front has been added.

This one was the second edition, and it appears to be there is another edition. This section and this section appears to be added in a different time frame.

It still has single pane wooden windows regardless.

Well, single pane has been popular for a long time. It wasn't until the energy crisis that double pane became the code.

And this, just based on these upper windows, this could be like an 1850s or 60s. structure here and that this could have been added to this or added in between them at some point and then I mean it's only the shed that is a little the newest kind of things so it's all old it's all eclectic it's all kind of thrown up over time um so yeah then we have to see the material I totally understand and it would be um would bring that to you

Okay. So the way that we're going to leave this is that you're going to come for the next meeting and submit the samples and revised elevation.

Sure. With that.

OK. Is there anything else that we want to see when they resubmit?

I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it.

OK.

So I think that overall, just as far as commentary, You know, we have no objections to what you're doing except for the question about the window.

Great. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Okay.

Okay.

That is for 55 years. Oh, OK.

Okay, four stone streets. I speak from back there.

I have I have some updated. It's not significantly different, but updated.

elevations because we found an existing window. And then the rest of it is substantially similar. It's all actually only difference is that the only difference is the mullion pattern. And then I have additional material Is it helpful to go through via Zoom? Because I have some additional photos.

Or I could start with just . Well, yeah. What we're talking about is the barrage. Yeah, so hi, everybody.

My name's Ethan Tam. I'm senior ground studio. This is Ryan Trout, the owner, who made Pipe Bend necessary, specifically about the building history. Just sort of a personal note, which I've been telling people it's funny, because before I could walk, my parents rented that driveway to park their car here. from Corey. I didn't even know it was last week. So I've been staring at this garage for my whole life. Just as an aside. So you can see on the first page that project location is barn slash garage. Sort of hard to know how to describe it. But we've been calling it the barn. The goal of the project is to maintain um in a way enhance the the the visual nature of the uh of the building because you can see it's it's you probably have noticed it's in this state of disrepair so in terms of the the majority the goal is to preserve as much of the existing structural fabric and then um material either in its existing state or for reuse. So there are I did include the dental plans that just to show but the there's no no proposed change to the to the shape or envelope and the window alignment are are predominantly similar. There's a couple added. And then you can see that when we get to the photos, you'll see the existing ground floor is two roll-up garage doors, which I don't think that there's any way to consider them appropriate in the historic district. So we're proposing. Let's see where we get to. Are you all looking at the elevations? Sorry, it's not on the plan. So if you look at the... If you look at... 104? Yeah, I guess 104 is the one. So 104, it's two roll tops being replaced with a carriage door and an entry door with a canopy. And then... as I mentioned, two windows in similar locations in the upper area, as well as that central window that's existing. I guess if you go back 103, similarly to this, this is visible from Main Street, kind of between two houses. So similarly, replacement into existing with a matching window style. And then as you go around, I guess the largest change in terms of openings. So it's really hard to tell the yard facing facade is in significant state of disrepair. And so that's on one of you. I showed it as, excuse me, basically replacing no openings with four windows, but really there's sort of a, sliding door, it's almost just covered in various, it's basically falling apart, so there's no.

Can I ask a quick question on 103 South Elevation?

Yeah.

Is that brick or is that just sand?

So that, so I can pull up the photo, that doesn't, you see the note says this area is geared by neighboring property, so there's no, there's a, that's one of the most challenging pieces of the project because that, I can pull up the photo But that is basically, there's a, you can't, it's not a party wall, but it's as close as you can get to a party wall.

Okay. But I mean, as far as the material goes, what we're looking at, it looks like it's brick.

You can't see that.

I'll show you, if you look at the material, is it brick?

There's not brick, no. Okay. This is just the hatch. That's a hatch. We had thought about using a masonry. It's a very challenging condition.

I'm not in favor of removing the wood and putting brick there. I'm just trying to understand the drawing.

No, because you can't see that location. It abuts the neighboring garage. So that reads that way, because the neighboring garage is a blocked garage. Yeah, I can pull up. I was trying to figure it out. No, that's fine. Well, I have other things to show. I just sort of jumped in.

Are you increasing the window aperture for some of these elevations, like 103 that we're looking at? I see the demo is dashed. And tracking it over, it looks like the sizes.

I think that we are adding the trim. They're all matching. Adrian Holovaty, Other than adding the exterior trim, which is if you can see the the existing sorry if I can pull this up the existing. Adrian Holovaty, The existing structure is. Adrian Holovaty, There seems to be wood siding and then there's this brick brick. Adrian Holovaty, stamp metal. Adrian Holovaty, Which is interesting, but is not something that we're I think even if we wanted to I don't think you can. find it anymore.

Just to clarify, this here is an existing historic window?

No, that's been like, that's just been packed in. It's like a storm window.

When I purchased the house, all the windows, none of the windows were in position. But I found, it was a carpenter shop for a long time. So there were tons of windows in there. And I just took a bunch of old storms and just nailed them in place. Okay.

And then you said that you found the historic window? Yeah, we found one. Where is that one?

It's on the floor. I popped it in and it exactly fit into the opening.

So just to give you some context, I don't know. It's funny because I always sign those documents that say you can go over there. So I assume you do. I don't know if you did. The existing, you can see this is like a tin stamped cover. I have no, I would actually be interested in learning more about it, but it's not something that can be salvaged. It's kind of rusting. So this, yeah, this is the, this is the, this is the north facade, yeah.

That's where the sword went though.

There's a 6 over 6 there, but it looks like someone just hammered it.

So you can see, it was difficult to both access and treat. I was sort of treating this as like a, it's sort of falling apart. There's some opening over here, and then this kind of slab kind of being pulled aside.

They were all double hung on weights. But none of them are on their weight setting or hung. They're all just nailed in. I don't even remember if I nailed that one in. It was like a really cold winter with a lot of snow coming in. So I just quickly patched all the windows.

And that's the pressed metal.

This is that pressed metal. would underneath some point asphalt, I just and the rear this, the neighbors on the on the behind had added this shape, but it's that's much more recent. I think they did.

So you can see before we push. Yeah, they want to improve their view of it.

It's an eight or nine inch board, but again, not with the unknown as to whether it was built with the tin. This is a view of that tin. Excuse me. So this is where there's nothing where we would be proposing adding a window because really for the light on the interior. So this gives you an idea. This is what I was getting to. This would explain. This is the biggest challenge. Well, there's a few biggest, but so yeah, I'll say this is a challenge. So here on the right, here you can see the garage on the neighboring property. And then there's a small four to six inch gap. So this is, that's why I was reading odd because We have nothing to do with and they're not proposing this block. This is existing block which would be covered on the barn that we're discussing. The proposal will be, this is a makeshift better, but the proposal will be to really treat this like a valley because there's a serious water entry condition. But that wall, you can see that wall is, it's a challenge to build because we're building on the property line, but there's no there's no visibility. So we've explored various options. We basically have to build and waterproof it from the interior. Here's that existing sash so that you can see that we're sort of working from, oops. So I guess from a, So there's the idea of working with that existing known piece of the fabric. And then also, I think, if I could go to the main facade and the stylistic. If you look at the front, I think the best picture I could find is, how do I show this? to this in case you are not familiar with. Did that work? In case you aren't familiar, there's a little more vegetation now, so it's harder to see, but that gives you an idea of the notion of the subordinate character, I'd say, of the garage. And so from a from a window configuration. The idea is because the the Ryan and Eric have done a lot to to have that main house main have its historical character maintained. And I think the real challenge is to have the garage be kind of maintain maintain its subordinate characteristics. And so my both the the idea that we found that sash and then also the kind of logical concept is that there's sort of a step down in the in the complexity of the million layouts when you look at the when you look at the facade. There's a little more, there's a little bit more material information on, oh, I guess if you skip to the back of your packet, I apologize that the material is a little split up. We have the main, on the main, the originally submitted drawings, the proposed siding is the, is the drop siding wood. I just saw you here. Is that drop siding wood. The photograph is actually of the neighboring barn. I can switch to the context photo. But the neighboring barn actually has both the conditions that we're proposing, which is the drop siding hemlock, which we have availability. The other nice thing about that, we have availability of local, that's a real local material. I'm going to switch to this. Okay.

I'm stuck in here. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So WeatherShield aluminum clad, which we've done. It's actually right across the street on the gray stuff. It was stone building as and then we had it. We had it approved on Garden Street. We do other projects, but it is aluminum clad, similarly divided light. With the narrowest How do you profile available?

I just had a couple of questions.

Yes. One is the operation of this window and the label on the Stone Street facade. Is that an awning window?

As you're asking, I wonder if it would make sense for it just to be fixed because it's inaccessible.

Is it an existing awning?

It's like an existing hole in the facade. Uh, let's see, I can go back to that. I wish I could just show my whole screen. Um, the, but yeah, there, I think that that's a challenge is to know what was exactly there. Um, I think it'd be okay to, uh, for it to be fixed quite honestly, but, um, I always think of say every time I've done a fix, Every time, what's that?

Or operable to lift the hot air off.

Yeah, I mean, that could be nice.

So you'll see it be vaulted.

I guess that's why I take, I mean, an awning is so close to a fixed, and if there's ever some time in the life of the building that you need. I mean, I've had awnings swapped out for fixed because for cost reasons, and then you know, years later, you think why couldn't you they don't look any different. It's the same. Everything's the same profiles. If we I guess just to try this, I just want to make sure I get the information to you. But I'm happy any questions you have, or we could go through the materials.

Well, my other question was just about the carriage doors. What kind of hinders your proposal?

I was proposing. So these, I found a custom, whether we would use him exactly, or we would do a custom carriage door, but he does, he does wood carriage doors and they can just be just an interior hinge, but not doing these like traditional barn.

So you've shown on the other examples. Yeah.

I sort of found, I find that when I was, at least when I was finding barn door builders, they offered like strap-in appliques, which I just kind of skipped right over. But I don't think we want, because you're looking at the neighboring garage. To me, that's a real, we'll want this to be kind of weather tight and such. I think that type of sort of slab hinge, at least, I'm not sure if it's available, like in a true, like a door that can really close effectively. All I know is that this door company, the American Carriage Door Company, when I was kind of looking at the variety of options they offered, one was the all sorts of like bill agreed drop hinge simulation, but we weren't picturing doing, I don't know, we hadn't proposed doing that, but.

A simulation meaning it was just aesthetic and there's actually another.

Yeah, I think that's the most, I don't think that there's a way to, Like a modern insulated door, or I think you would want an interior hinge, like hinge technology. I think that type that you see is OK if it's just sort of a slab that opens and closes, but kind of stays leaky.

So this is going to be, this will not be any kind of storage barn. This is going to be like a usable.

Oh, the first floor, it is technically I mean, it's proposed storage, or I guess I'm the picture of ping pong table. I don't know. It's sort of like that kind of space. Yeah. But still with the intent to keep it at least somewhat conditioned. I could go through the material. I don't know if that makes sense. Because I have, so the wood, as I mentioned, the wood, that drop siding, that's actually a neighboring barn. So that's the red sided profile is actually the same as the neighboring barn, which is the same front that you were working at.

Okay.

And then I guess I can show them up here. The existing house has the carriage lights, which you can see. And so we're basically wanting to have a similar, the same model, which is in this. The cut sheet is in the packet here. on stone day without the copper laurel, but that's the same model that's on the front of the house. Here are the, I think I mentioned the neighboring properties, you were looking at that. So we're taking some influence from that neighboring barn, but I don't know, were you just asking about the strap hinges or did you?

Yeah, I'm not saying I think it should happen. I was just asking if it will happen.

The one on the right is, this barn was built in his garage still in the 20s when the owner got their first Model T. So it perfectly fits like a Model T in it. And he wants to buy them.

Anyway, that's cool. He wants to buy one, buy a Model T. Then you can see the two stone street, which is sort of, I don't know what to say. And then this, that's amazing. I mean, I think they probably have a good view up there. This is three stone, which I was saying has the weather shield. That's actually the first structure I saw with weather shield. And I think that I know people don't always love the simulated divided lights. But I was looking at them today. They're pretty nice. You have to look pretty close at them. And then 9 and 11 stone, which I don't know is too relevant. So that's the context. And then that's essentially the view as I think was already in your packet.

What a question. I mean, you have on A004, you have a picture of the garage or carriage doors, and then the drawing of the carriage doors. The window sizes are different than the cross braces. Yeah. So which one is it?

Um, the, the, because we, we looked at just stepping down the, the, I think as from when I submitted, which was July 1st, kind of looking at the project more feeling as though the, the, the overall mullion patterns was maybe too busy for the, for the station as a secondary kind of a secondary structure. Um, but so the proposed The proposed model is, was this Olympic six race light, but with, we were looking at stepping it down.

I mean, I'm open to discussing it. Yeah. Which is a more like picture.

Yeah. That's, that's, You know, it's working off. That's there. They provide that. They provide that rendering of it.

The company did? Yeah. In other words, the company gave you this, but the picture that they're showing is this.

The company gave the upper one. I was drawing it with a little bit larger window to bring more light into the into the space.

What kind of hinges are you using?

It's just an interior hinge. The mechanism is the same. I mean, I'm sure there's some difference based on the weight, but it's just a heavy duty door hinge. Not visible.

All right. But in other words, it just, it's a button.

Yeah.

Okay. Um, how about a latch to close it? Any idea what that's going to be like?

Oh, exterior hardware.

Good question. Um, You know, you caught me.

I think you have everything else. As far as I'm concerned, it's keeping pretty true to the original, very true to the original form and aperture. Get rid of the two garages and have one in the entrance. The proportion seems good. The wood siding seems correct. The weather shields have been approved before. The added wood trim makes sense. Dealing with the waterproofing detail.

correctly isn't really an aesthetic so we won't see it that makes sense your gutters make sense it all makes sense to me it's just yeah maybe seeing a cut for hardware I would just I would add I appreciate it and then also if I can speak for the clients I think if anything I mean you know some people are trying to push things certain ways I think their goal is to be as kind of um historically appropriate as possible. So I think that that would be the .

I think it's a simple . Yeah.

I also appreciate this is, I mean, it's a big undertaking, right? And it's really exciting you're doing this. Yeah, thanks. So thank you.

You have to really a project with his scope. I do have that everything was done to be as again, not much of the there's not much of the building building that actually remained. We don't have any pictures of it. So we're trying to build near it for 10 years. So the best representation of what likely was historic.

I have some village examples, maybe that I found in a survey. a survey of sorts with a variety of you know, there's sort of some there's I think my my proposal to the group is that there's some level of eclecticism that's also valuable, especially when it comes to door configuration. So you kind of see there's these crosses, this one, which is interesting, This is Garden Street. This is, yeah, but this is Fair Street. Sort of almost contiguous. Yeah. And then this is the abutting property. Yeah. You can see the problem with the strap hinge. Every time you see a strap hinge, you can see the door sagging. These are the butt hinges. I thought an interesting one showing not exactly the door, but this is right around the corner in Northern Ave, but showing the offset. And also, I think the two over two, kind of how it, I don't, to me, it feels right on this, in that context. Here's maybe, this is the top of Alding, again, the offset door. I thought this was interesting, but not, maybe right outside the historic district, but I just, there's these larger barns. So, you know, every time you go around looking for things, it's like, wow, there's a lot of barn. There's another big barn in the back that's like a skew to the whole street grid. And again, this is its existing configuration. And then this is the view. I think you were asking. So this gives an idea. So this is the view from Main Street. This is that existing garage. It's actually two separate property owners, which adds to the complexity. You can see that there is some urgency to get going. It's been there for a while, but it's doing nothing but deteriorating. The hope is to preserve as much of at least the interior wood and structure as we

There's a lot of stuff here, but there's a lot of stuff that's not relevant. And I'm trying to get an idea of what it is that we're going to be approving.

What's not relevant?

Well, I mean, I appreciate the fact that we have two different versions.

What's just the difference?

And which one? You're talking about, talking about on the front side? Yeah. Okay. And then what are the other sheets for?

I can, I can show you just so you know what the this is the the other sheets, this shows I mean, this is, because basically I said, this is the permit set, but this, this shows the proposed first floor. So this is the, this is the carriage door with the entry material, this floor material. Yeah. Well, it's, it's going to be a slab, but I don't think, is that relevant? No, no, it just, it looks like a, well, we might, there might be, might be a material over it, but it, but we'll start with the slab. Okay. So you can see there, the neighboring garage, which is the main challenge. So it's a carriage door entry door. And then this is the associated structure. So then this is the first floor with the proposed windows. So the relevance of that might be that there's some minor changes to the window configuration based upon adding the bathroom and then the additional window on this side just to create a more habitable space. And then the associated structural plan for that. And then there's a small law over the small storage loft over the bathroom area. And then the proposed roof, which is that which is Shingles that are in the material packet that I said I brought in. And then these are the way the way these are. This is shows that existing and demo and then the proposed so it's it's significant It's similar raised a bit because of the bathroom layout. This is that north facade that I showed is basically in almost total disrepair. So that's probably the most change in quotes in terms of adding windows to that side, but it's almost, that's mainly for the, as I showed the interior configuration. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Then this is that this is that view from that's basically the view from Main Street. And so that's where you're asking. So this what I'm showing there is that obscured area behind the garage. Okay. And then the two windows that the HAB-Jacques Juilland, That HAB-Jacques Juilland, Are in the chain. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Simply the same same or similar openings and then this is the front facade. HAB-Jacques Juilland, With the carriage door, the entry door with overhang, and then the lights. And then those are just a black and white view, and then a view showing the eight inch drop siding. So the difference really was reprinting them because they showing the two over two instead of the six.

total construction set, right?

No. I mean, it's close, but this goes after. Goes into the material. Yeah. So I have the weather shield, the door, which we discussed, and I'm open to discussing the drop. For example, with the door.

Yeah. Is this what's going to be or this?

I think what I would like is to understand what it is you're asking us to approve. Yeah. I mean, it's this. I mean, in terms of you saying just in terms of the width of that brace.

Well, you know, To me, that's a difference, but the glass is different.

It's interesting because I haven't worked with American Car Store. They're in Florida. They really make custom and I don't know how much variability they have. Can I tell them how big your race is? The goal is to really have it be like an artisan created custom door. I could say I could say I don't if there's a preference if this is a four inch brace or a two inch brace.

Well, the brace to me the brace is kind of minor. I think it's more the question as far as the window size of the windows.

We're using that garage door as the issue that, you know, we want to make sure everything's consistent. A104 has your elevation. Yeah. And to me, that's... Yeah, I would take that.

Yeah.

So then do we just X out that so that we're clear that we won't get, you know, the two other versions of it on the other pages? Do we just add some notes so that this is... And if it becomes not this, then you would just notify us that you need to... No, the manufacturer can't do exactly this, and so you need to request a flight change. But generally, this is what we would be expecting.

Yes.

So can we do that?

We can note that this is Yeah, and it would be nice to know what kind of hinges. I mean, we've got some doors over here with strap hinges. We've got some examples with strap hinges.

They're internal, so they won't be visible. Can we annotate that? Yeah.

It's, and I think it's like actually on, on that fair street project that showed that kind of shows how, how I think of, of a modern.

No, he's not saying he's not proposing. This non-visible hand is similar to the one on fair street.

All hinges are visible. So what hinge?

Well, but not.

And how, how, when the doors close, How do they, are they latched? How do you operate it?

Why don't we copy this one?

I think, yeah.

I can, I mean, we could provide more clarity on that because I think it's something that, That needs to be determined. Don't even know on this door. How do you love it.

Generally, everything looks to me. Generally, it all looks good. You just need a clarification. So yeah, it's hard.

Where Yeah. That's under fail.

And the wind, which is, is this a spec sheet returning the window?

Yeah, that's the, that's the weather shield, aluminum plan with the simulated divided light.

Okay.

at the attic, which are I mean, the awning seems to make the most sense.

Not that they would be open very much, but just if it needs to be.

It was the manufacturer by the show.

Which we've used previously.

So for the gutters, we'll go half round pipe. And the roofing over the uh over the entrance door is the standing seam copper yes

I, for one, appreciate all of your context.

All of the street photos and all of the characters.

OK. Are we, though, just to be clear, we're aligned on a product number for the character. We just need to figure out the door hardware.

Well.

Really, the entry hardware. Right?

Well, those are showing two different proportions, like glazing versus wood proportions. And the cross-bracing is all a little different dimensions.

We thought there would be a, the Olympic six-brace light shows the smaller proportions. The idea is that we would probably want more. light in the garage so they're hopeless to increase the glazing size as shown.

And the question is, is that, okay, ultimately I have to condense this into the approval set, right? Because there's a lot of stuff here that we would not have part of the approval package. So what, we are looking at as far as the elevation goes you don't know if the company is going to manufacture that door is that correct we can i mean i i know they they can we i can get a little bit more clarity um well ultimately what do you mean do i not know you said that that you weren't sure that they could actually make the i'm sure they could make they could make any any dimension

So our hope was to make the glazing slightly larger to fill out more light into the .

I understand that. But the question is that if we approve that and you get from them what is in the picture, that may present a problem because you're not building what was approved.

Right.

And so we want to avoid that.

I can, if we can assume that they can build exactly what's drawn.

Okay, so that's what you may have to do is if they say, you know, what's in our catalog is what you get. We're not going to modify our manufacturing to accommodate you. Then what you may have to do is come to us and is let us know that the doors are different. So basically what we're talking about is approving what is drawn.

I agree. Well, then can we, I know it's different than because the old schematics have the the six lights on each side which align exactly with that um that product i'm just happy to just go about this one yeah yeah yeah i think that's uh exactly that's the rendering of that product and we could just well we were just that's also the Okay, no, no, it's different. Right, this is this is six and six. And when we have six over six, we wanted there to be some, you know, echoing some parody. But as I think about it, it's a minor decision, I think these will look fine. And they don't have to be custom built. So we would use the, you know, the way I think to answer your question that the

The original submitted set is exactly the same, except for it has 6 over 6 instead of 2 over 2. We were hoping to switch to the 2 over 2. I thought that was something you could maybe annotate in the approval on the main window. Showing 6 over 6. Oh, sorry. So just to backpedal in terms of the window package, the weather shield. that the original package submitted on the first was six over six, I brought in the revised two over two. So my thought was that you could have seen the robot, right, you could have proved that what was submitted with the two over two revision.

That's possible. So you would like the door that looked like this.

Oh, sorry. I was talking about the windows. I guess I could consult with Ryan whether we might. Yeah, if you wish, if you have a preference.

We don't need to go down the customs. They manufacture that. We had that in the drawings, the original drawings.

So yeah, I'm good. I'm good with that. I mean, do you all have a feeling about the direction, which of those routes was preferable?

Okay. So we would just have to, all we would do is have to send you the new, we just have to send you the new visualization to match that product. And then it would be, oh, sorry, you're still at the old one.

Well, yeah, but I'm comparing it. So essentially, with this package, all the windows are 2 over 2. Right. Over here, it was 6 over 6.

Right.

You don't want the 6 over 6.

Right.

OK. Anybody have any questions? OK. But you, as far as the doors, you would want ?

Just like a basic door handle.

Oh, the door handle?

Have we thought through the way the carriage door latches in place and functions like an entry door?

That's where I, that's kind of why it remained an unknown. There's been sort of back and forth about exact, you know, does one stay closed and one's open? How is it lockable? So I think we have to maintain egress. So there's some there would be some question as to exactly what that hardware, what functionality that hardware would have. That being said, we have kind of a long, I don't know if there's a possibility of us to bring that here later. I'm just curious because I see, You know, I see that latch that you have on Ferris Street and I wonder if you can get locked in. You know, I'm always nervous about that kind of thing. These are all, it's funny because I don't think any of these circuit violations, because any lock that can not be unlocked from the interior is dangerous.

Ferris Street has a man door right next to that door. Yeah, right.

Yeah. So my, you know, it may be, you know, we wouldn't do a little latch like that, but something akin to that could be.

Let me see if the door will have handle. It won't have hardware. And if we decide to add hardware in the future, we could do it. For now, we'll just

exterior. Isn't that idea?

Okay. Do I have a motion as far as this application? And what we're talking about is the two over two version with this, these material specifications, right? And From this package, the only thing that we're going to use are these spec sheets. Now, have you submitted the electronic versions of this? Yes. OK. So do I have a motion concerning this application?

Motion to approve the application.

Okay. As with the modification that the door is as per the sketch or do we want to wait for them for that door to be revised?

Well, I thought that it was as per the sketch unless they found out that it would be otherwise and then they would notify.

Right, because that's this. No, we're just using the door from the old sketch.

Should have done that here. Ryan, do you have a preference? Because my thought is that these are, I think these are both possible.

Yeah, but we have the product specifications for the one with 6 on 6. That would have to be custom.

I'm not sure that's true. I think that anything And I think that at some level, but yeah, okay.

No, I actually, as you've gone through all the carriage houses in the village, it's actually similarly proportioned of like those six flights. I don't know how many of them are just new repros and how many of them are original, but I've seen that quite consistent. I haven't seen any that have.

Yeah, so we stick with the original for the carriage.

As in the spec sheet provided by the company.

So then I just as the person that made these and I apologize for the confusion. That means that the entire it could almost be as though it's the original drawing submission except instead of six over six it's two over two is what is the it seems more complicated than that. But that's all it is.

It says it will be Yeah, see, the thing is, is that ultimately, I have to put together a set of drawings for approval. That's what I'm saying.

It actually is just the original drawing submissions except for it's 2 over 2 instead of 6 over 2.

Which is this. Here's the one with the 2 over 2. And the small edit to the current story. That's fine.

Okay. However, if you think that's, yeah, that's fine.

So we're going to modify this and say this as per this spec sheet. A004. Okay. So we have it and hardware to be submitted later.

No, they're not submitting it with hardware. They will come to us if they want hardware.

Say that again?

They are not submitting the application for hardware right now.

Right.

That will come later as it applies to.

Or not to be submitted later.

Sure. But it's not contingent upon those.

No. We're just not approving any hardware because. None were submitted. OK. All right. So I have a motion that we approve these drawings with modifications for the door as per A004, hardware to be submitted later. Are there any other comments? OK. Second. What's your vote?

I. OK.

I. All right. So when you get the information concerning the hardware, That should be relatively simple. It won't be a modification of the approval rate.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay.

Okay. 64 falling evidence.

The one that.

Sonia. Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. It's a relation of a four-foot fence. I thought it was a useful addition to my packet.

And this is the fence that you're looking for?

That's the chat GPT rendering of the graphic soil picket. AI is speaking to us. AI. How interesting. This is the brochure that the contractor gave me to show you, but I did make copies of the particular picket. And I picked that picket because it's Gothic style and my house is a Gothic style. So I'm hoping that that's a good fit. It seems to look very nice in the picture.

So where are the dimensions of this? It's four foot high.

And then there's going to be a gate in the, a double gate because my walkway is wide. A double gate for my driveway and then a concealed service gate for the oil and parking for the rain, which will not look like a gate. It's going to be four foot tall, set back four foot from the edge of the sidewalk so that I can plant some daffodils in the front. And it'll have these post caps.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of nice chamfer detail here.

Or would it be like a... Perhaps more basic. That's something that, you know, ChatGPT gave me. The caps look like this. And I think the ball cap matches those.

Yeah, exactly.

I have that in two places on my house.

But I'm also open to suggestions.

The hardware? It's suggested to do a black hardware like that's shown there.

Anybody have any questions? Do I have a motion on this application?

I have a motion to approve the application as designed. I just want to make sure we're using the 101 It says in the patient it's four feet high. I guess the post detail, is that in this application or do you have that separately?

Yeah, the finial post caps, I didn't think to put it in there, but I think this one was really nice. We just annotate that, that it would have the S. S103B. The S103B ball cap. And the post that you want there too. I think it's the flat one. It's a standard flat because the ball cap goes right on top.

Well, it would be this one.

No.

That's not accurate. I think the spacing is that also?

AI is wrong.

Just an artistic rendering. It looks like the spacing is tighter, also, on the . The horizontal is different.

I guess the only other question I would have is that typically, Are the posts going to be like this?

They're going to be on the outside of the picket. That's what the guidelines say.

In other words, the fence panel needs to run from post to post. The post needs to be visible.

On the outside.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Let's see if that is specifically mentioned. I am going to put a comment.

There's a house that's exactly like this on River Road at Piermont Park. You should go look at it. It's really kind of amazing that they're, I don't know if it was a kid house or what, or like an early book.

Okay. Do I have a motion concerning the application as modified by adding, do we want to talk about

The cap is S-103B.

S-103B.

Drawing everything.

Submitted and modifying it to include S-103B. All caps. It says post standard flat.

Standard flat? Yeah, standard flat post will be false.

OK. Do I have a motion concerning the application with two common boasts are to be exposed to standard flat boasts with the S103D pinfall?

B. B? Yeah. OK. Modified.

I motion to approve this application .

Do I have a second? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody.

Thank you. Okay, 20 persons.

Is that why I go like this?

Hello, that's me. Yeah, that's me. Because we had to reschedule the meeting.

Good night.

But they're not on the agenda. And there should be some plans.

Yep. You guys went off the shade. That's great. I'm Juliana. Can you hear me?

Yes, I can hear you all. Can you hear me? Can you hear me well? Okay, just one moment, please. Let me put everything together. So this is for the residential roof mounted solar installation at 20 Parsonage Street. We are proposing the installation of a roof mounted solar photovoltaic arrangement on that property. The total system size will be 9.66 kilowatts and it will consist in 21 rec panels each rated for 460 watts. The panels will be installed like from facing and rear of the home. And they will cover a total area of 470.4 square feet. In the panels we shared all the documentation requests required for the solar specifications. The panels are on a standard size with anti-glare coating and black framing. And the panels will be installed in symmetrical uniform arrive for ultimate aesthetic and functional performance for the home. Additionally, they will just be positioned to maximize the production and also just keep a clean and cohesive appearance into the house and attach the plants. And I can also just share them with you if you have any questions.

I think we're just wondering where the conduit is located and where the box is going.

In the second page, correct. So if we look here into the photo package, basically it will be located into this lower side. What was that?

I have no... All right, so it's on the back of the building.

And this is the driveway. This is where the meters are. This is where it comes down. What does the Tesla do? Is it...

The Tesla is an integrated inverter and battery. So basically it works as the, like the transformer of the photovoltaic energy, and it has a storage capability as well.

Sorry, I guess. I think you just got muted.

No, wait, just one minute, please. Here, can you hear me better? Okay. So the Tesla is an inverter and battery at the same time. So it just produces and transforms the energy and then it also storages.

So that will be the conduit.

The conduit is picked up into the S2 page.

And go like that. And go like that. That was happening at where is it going to our roof? Well, where is it? What's good? That's the back of us. It's this.

Yeah, the front is this.

This is the port. Right. Okay, so it's coming. This this way. Trust that this high part of the roof going down here, going over here, and then three three panels here.

And it's also coming down on the side, going down to these meters. Right. Right.

Right here. And then this is all, you know, yeah. So that's not there. So, yeah. I mean, there's existing.

So based on the image, everything that is light blue is going to be under the panels, so it won't be visible. And for the dark blue line, all that connection that is going up until the Tesla Powerwall will be internal. The part that will be showing is just from the very edge of the roof going down into the Powerwall. So only that section will be outside.

So the dark blue is internal.

Yes, until it reaches the last junction box into the very right. And just from there into the Tesla Powerwall when it goes down is when it will be visible because we need to reach the Tesla Powerwall.

Great. We were concerned that there was conduit running on the ridge line, but it sounds like there's not, so that's great.

Not around there, no. It's just going to be that little section to reach the power wall, but all the other one that is coming from the main service panel into that other section, it will be internal.

Great.

Do I have a motion?

I'll submit it.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

I approved for zero.

Sorry, I didn't hear. What was that?

Approved.

Oh, thank you so much. Okay. I'm sorry. I missed the important part. Thank you. Have an amazing night.

You too.

Okay, 159, 160. Is it 63 or 61? 153 and 158. Where is it? Is that you guys? Okay.

We put a solid door, one glass ceiling of wood, and near architectural windows. which is going to go all the way across, like the last one, except that one side is going to be open and the other side will be closed. So it was pretty much, and then we put the windows back in that the inadvertently took out.

Well,

Okay. Salvage window.

That's the window that was up inside there. I'm going to put it somewhere else.

Right.

We're going to close that window off.

Right. I guess we can just add that note to be salvaged. Okay. Have you had any conversations with the village concerning or the building inspector concerning setbacks?

No, not yet.

Okay. So we'll add a note contingent on complying with setback requirements. That's fine. Okay.

Thank you.

Anybody have any other comments? Spec sheet for the door and the loop table.

He's just going to respond and wouldn't go up. He has to stop the alarm.

All right, got to know It's open that we have for a spec sheet.

I mean, it's typical I can I can drop one to you for that door. This will be a standard window or

Okay, but I mean, there's a lot of variability in the phrase standard wooden door.

What is it that you want?

Well, we want something that is a true wooden door. Solid wood, yeah. And it needs and you know, we're not talking about any fiberglass doors or not. And as a matter of fact, if you even how and the shingles through shingles.

Okay.

Am I going to believe that it'll match the shingles on the mansard roof?

You can't because their slate, I put rubber roof on the top and their slate that I put that are a fake slate going along the part in front of it on the mansard part. I can't put that on that roof. So I'm going to just put black Black shingles, 30 year architectural shingles.

Okay.

You can't even see the roof up top. And it's rubber.

I think if you're standing on a sidewalk, you would see that.

No, you can't. You can always see the mansard part that I brought down with the slate.

You can't see this.

You can't see the roof part.

Okay. But you will see this. This you will, yes. Okay. You can email me the catalog of the roof shingles and the door.

No problem.

Okay. Any other comments? Okay. Do I have a motion to approve based on the The fact that I will get a catalog cut for a shingle in the wood door. Do I have a motion?

Do I have a second?

Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

I'll get to that tomorrow. Thank you.

Okay. Those are the current.

Those are the current, yes. That's the report. I see what that is.

QR code on the door.

Yeah, I combined.

You have all of the other signs moved to that side light. And now you just have the company logo and the site in the largest window. And you placed the curtain behind it in line with the door. And then it looks like you also added a curtain behind the door.

That was the same curtain. That's just different colors. One's clear, one's white, and the other one

I think it meets our guidelines as far as percentage of the area. The curtain or the lighting are in our purview as far as materiality or sort of the cord or the rod. Is that the permanent? material that you're using, or is that temporary, the interiors?

But it does look rather informal.

I don't know if someone had asked you to move the curtain back originally for some reason. And I wonder if that was part of it.

No, no, no. I moved the curtain back so it would be out of the distance of your preview. So I didn't want you guys getting upset where it was. So I moved it to the interior. But you asked me to move it back a foot behind the glass. I can change the curtain. It doesn't make a difference to me.

I mean, I feel like I'm not. There's like my HRB hat, which is saying you're, as far as I can see, you're complying. And then there's my like aesthetic architect hat, which feels like the lightning in the ground and the curtain all look very dorm room and formal. So if you're inspired at some point to use chat beat gpt to judge up some options i might suggest that you look at some other options but that is not my hdrv hat that's just my first time yeah i'll at some point in time have somebody with some artistic but yeah i am i'm a farmer so because i do think and again it's like i don't know if i'm even allowed to so many different hats but given what you're selling, I think the more polished it is, the better it will be received in the village.

Do I have a motion concerning the application?

Where's the application?

Submitted. I have a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Done. Done, done, done.

Patience. That was a long one.

You're like, wow, I spent a lot of time doing it. Is there anything I need to pull out or? No, I'm good. I'll issue the certificate of appropriateness next weekend. And I'll email. You'll be on distribution of the email. OK, sounds good. Thank you very much. OK, 55 Main Street.

Hi, here. Are you hanging out with my mother yet?

I was waiting for the last sign.

Got it, got it. So 55 minutes in here. Did they say anything?

We submitted a cut, I think. News Kitchen and Bath. Arvin? Oh, yeah. But it's contextually not. I don't know how the size relates to the sub-sub. The sub? So maybe we have to wait on that. Plus, given the time, maybe.

Not here. Do you mind checking to see if you've mentioned anything in the video and the email that he attached?

Sure.

And then 14 main is not here. He said, I think I forwarded. He said, estimate for windows. It's far more expensive than I thought. I'm still trying to find better prices. Upstate deals, vintage windows, size I need. He has work tonight, so he won't be able to attend. I think I forwarded this one.

So they're going to be here. They're going to be here for the next meeting?

They're going to be here the next meeting? Yeah. 55 Main Street and 14 Main Street.

All right, sorry, 55, when they sent that, they sent that catalog cut of the- He said he couldn't make it tonight because he has work.

He did not confirm that he would be at the next scheduled meeting.

I can let him know when the next scheduled meeting is, is the board planning to- Okay, yes, please let him know because it sounds like we're playing a little ring around the rosy. How about 14 Main Street?

I have not gotten a response from 14 Main Street recently.

No response.

Were you able to tell them that their proposal that we last saw that had light wouldn't be approved? 14 Main Street? Yeah. I think they were showing vinyl to remain and then light, and neither of those would be approved.

I don't think I followed up that, but I can do that since we're sitting in between.

That'd be great, just so they don't come in with something that they'll have to come back again.

Absolutely.

OK. And I do not have any minutes, which I'm actually grateful for.

Me too.

Oh my goodness. I did want to ask, while you guys are here, are you guys, is the board going to be in attendance for the next scheduled meeting? It's going to be August 18th.

I'm going to be away.

What?

I'm going to be away next month for the meeting.

Okay, so then we'll...

I think Todd is planning to be here. I think it's going to be his last meeting.

His last meeting.

I'll be here.

Do we have... He'll be here.

I have a hard time planning that far ahead. But I am planning on being here.

OK, if you're not.

I may go back to Iceland. OK.

It's kind of has resigned.

And so what we need to do is we need to publish solicitation for needs to be open to the public. I spoke with Lauren and basically what we decided is that was in September, we're going to open, we're going to, as of 1 August, start advertising.

Yep.

Right.

I thought we discussed advertisement in the last, at least the last week of July. Oh, that sound right? We had a discussion.

Let me see if I have something else. I think that what we talked about was in August, and then in half of September, because... Yeah.

Like, have a private, or executive session, and have the September meeting to talk about, to interview, decide... I do think sometimes it's easy to miss the ads, and so. I saw the tree committee advertising on the village Instagram for open visits on the board, so I didn't wait to do that. I'm going to pretend that people think that's really reasonable.

We're not going to. Yeah.

So we're starting to advertise as of 1 August.

I'll be putting some projects.

You're right. I'm not going to use very good time.

But I will not.

So... Can you see it right now? Yeah. Isn't it my screen? My screen? No, I just...

In August, and then every week in September. Yes. I think that's... I swear, I thought it was somewhere, yeah. September 1st. Or maybe it was on the village website.

I don't know. I really feel like I saw something.

Or use the Instagram? Oh, yeah. Oh, here. Right here.

Yeah. Oh, great.

Yeah, that's great. Who wants to do a graphic?

If you have... Yeah, no, it'll be very simple. But I think we should definitely show Al what we're going to do on that.

There's an Instagram post from the village website advertising. This one is for the tree committee, so we're going to do it.

It's not going to look exact, but it's going to look like that.

If you have any people who You can talk into volunteering.

You should probably think about them.

Well, it's just that ultimately, we have to be as far as the recruiting process and it has to be available to all to the public so ultimately we can only vote on applicants that submit their resumes but I think doing the Instagram post and then we don't have to do the PCMR because they're only online now

So we could just advertise in the Highlands Courts and on the Village website.

Right.

I believe so, but we've been posting legal notices in the Poughkeepsie Journal. What? Really? Yeah, for the past few months. Almost a year now.

One of the things, which does anybody have a laptop? Oh, no.

Yes.

I think that applicants need to be residents of the village, but not necessarily of the district. Can you check on that? Yeah.

And put that in there, because I think... What is the village of Cold Spring? Like, if you live on East Mountain Road, where do you live? Phillipstown. It's Phillipstown, even though the mailing address is Cold Spring. Yeah, that's very good. So that's not the village.

No, the village has very discreet boundaries. And the issue is that, and I guess advertising in the Poughkeepsie Journal makes me wonder if, is there a lot of readership in the village?

We only need to do it if it's a requirement. Right? It can't be journal because it's not going to reach the people you need it to reach.

But if it's required that we post in two places, then that's legal to do it.

I don't believe, I have to double check if the code says it's a requirement to post in two places. I know that was like a tradition, but typically they need a paper of record to post at least legally for a public hearing or pending zoning. So I think it's about either like reach or, um, I guess, paid subscriptions. I'm not really sure what the technicality is. But the Highland Current does not qualify for whatever reason.

All right. So we can plan on, at the September meeting, voting on the applicants. Do I have a motion to adjourn?

Yes.

Okay. I won't even ask if there's a second.

There's a second.

Okay.