Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

as ready as we would have to be. I'm calling the meeting to order. Uh let's go through the new business first. I think we can do that rather quickly. 41 Chestnut Street. Um, we're talking about the the sign. This is the new sign over Wells explor. So, do we have anybody here from if either we're only Alexus or Teresa?

Yes, we got we got I'm sorry. Jim Swan appears to be the representative tonight. For who? For the for Sarakus for MRC. Jim, sorry. You have some reverb. You have two It looks like two screens up. So maybe one of them um maybe they're they're both inputting. There's a green. See if there's a second. There's a second. Okay, Jim. So, who are you representing?

Can you join and re Can you join and um leave and join back? Is this better? Yeah, I think so. I got I found that there was one window open and a web browser open. Okay.

So, um yeah, Wells Fargo wants to um do like forl like changes on their signs on the building with their new color combination and update it. Basically, they're going to be taking the sign down that's up there, which is um old and worn out, and replacing it with the new branding that's on page four of the brand book that you guys probably have in front of you. There's a light bar across the top of the original sign. So, I think they're just increasing the red band to fill that space. And it looks like the lettering is about the same size as the old one. Actually, it's an inch shorter, smaller. It's a non-lit sign because you're not allowed to have a lit sign. It's externally lit with that light bar on top. And then they want to replace the uh ATM sign with their new design, which is basically utilizing the cabinet that's there and putting a new face in it.

Okay. Uh so I I guess to answer the answer my question, Jim, are you representing Wells Fargo or are you representing Alex Sorro? Well, we're the sign installation company that's pulling the permit. Okay. So, we're representing um uh American we're we're representing the the the sign company who's supplying the signs for us to put up. All right. Well, okay.

Anybody have a a concern one way or another? Okay. Um, does anybody have any questions concerning what the proposed application is?

Just to confirm, the materials of the proposed sign are going to match the materials of the existing sign. Yeah, there's going to be a what's there now is a pan sign with um channel letters on it that are non-lit. And we're going to replace it with a pan sign with channel letters non-lit. And then we're going to replace the the dingy looking ATM sign with one that's a little bit more visible, just a sign face in it. And then I think they're removing some vinyl and putting a a strip on the door that says Wells Fargo. Just cleaning it up a little bit, making it look a little more professional. And taking the sticker off the drive-thru window that says Wells Fargo, which is the old logo, which is on page I don't know what page is that. Page seven. Just looking at the application, looks like you're reusing the existing uh sign board. Is that correct?

Um, no. We will be well the sign band we're going to be the face of the building. We're still reusing, but the sign will be coming down and a new a new clean fresh panel will be going up at its place. We are using the lights that are above it. My question is is uh on page four it says wood may require extensive repair outside standard wall restoration once panel is removed.

Uh we we may may have to replace some um some some uh wood behind it if it's rotted away clean. It'll just go back up on top of it. All right. I I I don't understand it because um is it the wood that the sign is on? But you you you're telling

there's there's a there's a facade on the building. We're going to be removing what's existing and replacing it with a new sign in the same exact spot. So, it should be just to take down and put back up. I mean, if it if it's going to require anything more, then Wells Fargo will have to hire a a contractor to do that stuff. Um, but as far as we we know, it'll be just just a swap out of the sign without a problem. usually is.

All right. So, it may require some paint to may require paint to to blend it in if if it's not exactly the same height or width, but it looks like it's going to be the same height and width. So, but it comes down, the new one will go up and it'll look like it belong there from the day it started. That's my only concern. It's supposed to be

water. What is the width of the store? You put the width of the storefront in your drawings. Um, they do not have the width of the storefront in the drawing. Um, and I have that information at my office, not here, but I'm going to believe it's it should be well within it. I mean, it's the it's the um pretty much a a like forl like swap of the sign.

Yeah. the concern. It's just it's 10 in uh wider and um well to be the same size as the lights that above it. If you look at the original, there's like 10 inches of space to the left of the light of the sign where the light is. So they're just filling the whole sign band with that. I'm not sure I'm seeing it. I see on page four that the original is 188 in and the new is 198 and a quarter inch.

Right. Do you see where the light where it says 13 and 3/4 in? There's there's space between the sign and the end of the light on the left. All right. I I guess my question would be uh since the new sign doesn't fill the entire panel, why do you feel it's necessary to increase the size of the panel? Well, actually they decreased the height of the panel and they made the length the size of the lights for to make it look aesthetically correct. Whoever did the first one should have centered the sign underneath the light to make it look correct. It actually looks like the sign is past the end of the light and 10 in at the other end.

All right. So, what you're saying is that the existing sign is shorter than the light. Yes. Your light and you're making it the same size. Mhm. Same size as the light. All right. One other question uh concerning the the Wells Fargo panel. Um, so the um it looks like the letters for Wells Fargo are surface mounted to the panel. Uh, yes.

Yes, they're surface mounted to the panel. They're um they're white uh letters on a red facade, non-illuminated. Um I don't know what the thickness of the letter is, but it's the same thing that's on there. Now, actually, I can tell you, let me see if I can Oh, the the letters are 12 in tall. Okay, let's look at page eight. That's what I'm looking at right now.

Okay, so uh the aluminum welded to.125 aluminum face, those are the letters. Is that correct?

Forgive me. I there's a hectic day today and I got home and I was like, you know, I didn't get a chance to prepare for the whole thing. So, let me just I've got 15 of these Wells Fargo. So, I'm just familiarizing myself with it real quick. So, the pan itself is um aluminum pan 063 aluminum and it's welded. That's the pan. That's the letters on top of the pan. The pan is the pan is

the part that's projecting beyond the um the face the aluminum face. I take it back. I mean it just it's not labeled very clearly but it looks like uh the

uh the letters are surface mounted and attached to they have a half inch standoff. The letters are two and a half inches in thickness and yeah, they're 2 and 1/2 in. They're 3 in total off the pan including the uh including the standoff on them. And the pan is height of the pan, height of W. Can you see what I'm the the screen? What is this? Are those the letters? The screen.

Uh, page eight. Uh, drawing one, section AA. Is that section cut a, uh, representation of one of the letters? The the cut in the middle. Yes, that's the letters behind it. Yes. Yes. That's a letter. Okay. So, that's a letter that's applied to a a panel uh which is the aluminum face,

right? And that is um I'm trying to see the thickness of that. I don't see the thickness of that. It's 2 in. Okay. The rest of sign, how about the the uh the signage the ATM sign

that's already existing. So, we are just um painting the cabinet silver and insert in inserting a new piece of uh poly into it. All right. Do we have a So that's a vinyl that's applied to

a piece of poly material about 38 316 thick. Am I correct that that is a U panel similar to the face panel or the Wells Fargo?

No, that is just a piece of poly that's going to slide into the existing frame on the wall already after we paint it silver. slide in. How?

Well, there's retainers on the end. You unscrew, you pop the retainer off. We slide the old face out. We paint the cabinet. And then we slide the new face in and put the retainer back on. It's like two screws and they come it comes apart. See, Wells Fargo apparently has done away with all the neutral dirt colors and went with the the more vibrant reds and whites and grays. So then and the last portion of it uh is is uh is what is is the vinyl which is being applied to the door.

Um hold on a second. That might not even be that's not even the red vinyl. We are not doing. Um there's a something they call spark which is like a piece of frosting material which is the E5 on the left hand side of the door frame. We'll be putting some uh a strip like a it's like two inches thick strip of that. It looks like it's um just frosted. I'm trying to trying to figure out. Yeah, it's just a little strip that goes across the door that they've added. It doesn't even say anything in it. It's just like um different shades of uh white on a clear vinyl. I guess it just gives it a little bit of a motion to the door. If you look at page 12, you can see it a little better. There you go. It's just that little 3-in tall piece that goes across the the doors. goes about the same height as the push bar on the exit on the on the inside of the door on both um side lights.

All right. Can you summarize for us what is going to happen with the Wells Fargo sign? um that is on the under the light

the face of the building. Well, we're going to remove what's there. We're going to patch the holes and probably paint the facade and then we're going to install the new sign face panel on there um to look like new. We'll probably take a chip of paint though to a Sherwin Williams or an MTB and get it matched so we can come back and feather it into the existing soft uh sign band.

All right. How about that? Now tell us or describe for us the ATM sign. the ATM sign. We are just going to remove the existing sign face from behind the retainers. We're going to paint that silver and then we're going to slide the new face in and put the retainers back together. Okay. So, it's essentially the same that is there except it's painted something different. Yes. It's going to have a silver finish to instead of brown. Okay. And then on the doors, basically that's just vinyl applique.

Yeah, we're just going to apply that 3-in strip of 3-in tall strip of vinyl on both side lights at the height of the push bar. And that's on the inside of the door. Okay. Anybody have any questions? Anybody have any comments? Do I have a motion concerning this application? I have approved the application as submitted. As submitted. As we understand it, submitted.

Do I have a second? Um, all those in favor say I. I'm going to I'm going to abstain from this one. I was having technical issues and and entered a little too late. So, I'm going to abstain from this vote. I'm sorry. Say that again. I was having technical issues with my computer and the audio. So, I got into this a little too late. I'm going to abstain from this vote. Oh, okay. So, it's Todd. Hey, Todd. Hey. All right. So, it's approved. 4 Z.

All right. What's my what's the next steps? Will I get a letter or something? Uh over the weekend, I'll be issuing uh certificates of appropriateness and it'll it'll be uh it'll do it electronically. You'll get it in uh in an email. Perfect. Perfect. I'll let my permit expediter um know that it should be coming through. All right. Thank you very much for your time. have a wonderful night and uh can't wait to get the project finished. Take it easy.

Good night. Um Okay. 1971 199 Main Street here. Robert Fisher. So, Robert Fischer, why don't you tell us what you're proposing to do?

Um, this is a solar panel project uh with 23 panels and if you have the renderings in front of you, you see exactly where they are and how the conduit is placed. Um, sorry. I see you have conduit which runs over the ridge into the front and then you also have conduit which runs in the back.

Yes. because uh where the utility meter and other boxes are. Okay. And you also have some panels that and the back. Yes, the panels are all on the rear uh two roofs, the south facing roofs. All right. And and I see the uh basically the conduit is run to the um uh the AC disconnect and combiner box which is on the side of the facade.

Um I have a question. As far as a conduit goes, it it comes over the roof to the front roof, the west facing roof facing Main Street and then does looks like it comes drops down a few feet and then jogs over. Uh I would like to that that jog to happen on the on the rear of the roof or something. Can you go from the the corner of the solar panels to the edge of the roof line and then carry that up and over rather than have it do that that weird jog on the street facing?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's not an issue. The I understand why uh that would be brought up, but yeah. Yeah, the conduit could be changed. Um is there a chance we could uh have that as a um like approval with the conditions of the conduit run? In other words, if we change the conduit run, then uh you know, I can mark that up and and we can approve it as as modified. Is it possible to run it under the gable? Um in the attic or

not in the attic. So instead of going across the roof line on the front, jogging down under the gable and then going down to the to the box. We've asked that before and the more I've sort of seen it happen, the more I feel like it it the visibility is greater because you see that facade more easily than the roof. I actually think there's really no there's not much of an overhang on that at all either, the roof on the gable side. So Todd, what what are you proposing? I think having having it go straight in from the corner of the solar panels to the edge of the roof line and then having it just hug the roof line up and over probably.

All right. So, in other words, uh at at the edge of the roof run the conduit. Yeah. There. And and then on the roof, not on the side. Um, would you like it to run straight down um to the ground or would you like it to hug the edge of the roof where the uh current straight line down that meets our combiner box? I think probably where it meets all the electrical would be my like just straight down because the box is at the corner of the house there, right? Yes. Do you guys agree? Yeah. Yeah.

All right. So, so we're talking about running to the edge and making the connection here. Okay. Um,

all right. Any other comments, questions? Um, okay. Do I have a motion concerning this application? Motion to approve the application as modified change in the um time to plan. Okay, Kim. Um All right. Uh vote I I Todd I I

Okay, it's approved. uh with the modification that we talked about. Thank you.

Okay. Um 25 F Street. Hi. Uh this is Caleb uh Farhey with New York State Solar Farm. I'm here with Rose and Ethan uh the project manager for the home. Okay. Um

All right. Can we just uh repeat who you are? Sure. My name is Caleb and I'm with New York State Solar Farm. This is a solar installation project. Okay. Can you tell us what you're proposing?

Sure. Um, so it's going to be a uh system with 46 uh solar panels and one Tesla power wall. It is a roof mounted solar system. So all of the solar panels would be visible from the river essentially.

From the river. Let me see where where is the visibility? We don't have a photo of the house. So where is Oh, we do. Just kidding. I didn't have a photo of the house. Okay. Yeah, this house is not visible from the street from what I can tell.

So, the garage is visible from the street. Um, but I would say the rest of the house is not. And I'm wondering that looking at this aerial where you photoshopped the solar panels on it. Would it be possible to take the panels on the street facing uh roof plane, those fixed panels, and flip them um to gang with the panels on the opposite the river facing facade uh roof plane? And that way you're not looking at for mostly any panels from uh the street.

You cannot actually see that garage from the street at all. So, I don't see in the photograph where the panels are to be installed.

It is um the second Okay, I see. Okay. So, we're talking about just these here. Yeah. just slipping these to the back and then it's cleaner. So, I don't believe that roof would be street visible. It's pretty far back. There's a lot of green screening with the hedges and trees. Um, I think we sent even some like street view photos and you shouldn't be able to see the roof from the street at all.

Maybe it's the one view that you catch. That's what you said. Is it possible to move those six panels so that they're all on one side of the garage? It would make for just cleaner aesthetic overall and conduit as well. I'm trying to find out. Hang on one second.

Couldn't see it. Let's see. you give me two seconds. Okay. Yeah, no problem. You uh contacting Brett or Anukica? Yes, sir. I'm getting on with him right now.

Okay. Thank you. And then while we're waiting, your um electrical meter is uh well marked on PV1 in the PV1 drawing. So we probably just need to review. I didn't see a conduit run where those are running between the um various products.

Rose, what's up? You want to buy the panels? Um yeah, this is for the Tomkins project, 25 Fair Street. The panels that are street facing on the garage part, they want to know for aesthetic wise. I have you on in the meeting, just so you know, aesthetic wise if we can move them to the back of the garage where it's facing the river. Model. One second. Hold the job. You said this is uh fair street. Okay, correct. Marine Tomkins.

Sorry everybody. This is our engineer. Correct. Caleb, I have him on. Thank you, Rose. uh they know the distance away from the

we've explained that basically from the road you cannot see the garage and that there's more than enough uh greenery and screening all through there but aesthetically pleasing they wanted to know if we could flip those panels that are on the front over onto the back and there was also a question about the meter I believe that if that could be repeated.

Okay. You again you cannot see the the modules on the front at all uh from from the street. Um so yeah, and the neighbor has a green screen uh that hides the uh the modules from the property line. So those modules uh cannot be uh be seen. And uh let's see here. One of the reasons why we we kept it um up there is because those modules are southeast facing and actually produce better. Um we didn't add a second row there uh for for the aesthetic reasons just to keep all the modules uh up kind of near the uh the ridge there. Um, so you' be taking modules that are facing southeast that are producing better and you'd be placing them on a northwest route which would produce less. Um, so aesthetically it's being blocked and then you would be hurting production of the customer as far as the seeing the system from um, uh, any any side. So from the west side you've got a green screen and you got train tracks. So you're not going to really see see at all from the uh from the Hudson River. And and then on the east side u there is uh enough feet away from the road that you won't see it. And then you've got the green screen between the property lines. So, um,

I think the the question is the southwest roof plane that currently has six panels on it. Can you make that 12 panels for the southwest roof plane? Yeah. Uh, that's not north. So, u actually, sorry. Yes. Southwest roof plane. You want to make Sorry, you want to add six more modules to there. We can only add five more modules. uh to that lower route. And let me just pull up the trimetry from that. Let me know if you want me to screen share.

Uh no, it's it's okay. Um

uh we we actually group we wanted to be even alone between the two sides. So uh structurally it's best practice to uh leave the system as it is currently. Um otherwise we'd have to reduce one module and add the five to the back and then we'd have to add some kind of form of structural upgrade to uh to stabilize that that roof. And uh again they they can't be seen from the road uh uh because of the distance and because of the narrow uh driveway uh and green screening and then also the neighbor has their own uh green screening preventing a view.

I I I don't understand why I mean you already have panels on that side of the roof and that side of the ridge. why moving it from one side to the other makes a difference as far as performance of the panels. Um yeah. So uh so there there is a tiny uh you you might not be able to see there is a tree um that is on the property that's kind of close by that uh um is not on the property line but is on the on the west side. It it does cause some cheating. Uh again, we can move we can move five over. Um getting the six is going to be a challenge because you want that 18inch set back from the valley. Um, and so we could move five over, but then you're we're looking at having to again, like I said, balance the structure. So perform a a structural upgrade with uh having extra color ties. Um, so to me, the aesthetic is not a reason to halt that. Um, however, if you were wanting to move those modules, that would u we'd have to lose the module. So, we'd actually be decreasing kilowatt hours.

If we want the the modules move, what is it? Would you say after that? They'd have to decrease the number of panels. They would get less power. Onereasing the one the number of panels by one. They can't fit six on that side. They can only fit five. The width of the roof is a bit smaller

because Yeah, you you need a setback from the valley just for uh uh both both for fire access and um we had we had a fire access pathway actually coming up that way. Um so that that is a reason why higher access reason why we didn't do it. We've got structural reasons why and then you've also got

u aesthetic reasons why that we we chose to do this. Ethan, you're on this call as a designer. I mean, I think you can you can see these panel that roof plane is really the only thing you see from the street for this house. Does that bother you that you would then sort of see a roof plane and solar panels and conduit as opposed to just a clean roof plane? Has that been discussed um with the client for aesthetics? Uh yes, we have discussed this. Hang on one second. He's um they're talking to Ethan who is the contractor for the job. Hang on. Okay.

One, two, three, four, five, six. Ethan, do you have an opinion? Three, four, five, six. Can anybody else not hear Ethan or just me? No. Yeah, I'm not hearing him come through either.

Just Just let you all know that that roof is 312 feet away from the road. Oh, Ethan uh just messaged the chat. He said he's going to join on his phone. It looks like his computer audio isn't working. Okay,

it's true. This is a a very long driveway and the um view perspective is it's slight, but that is the one the one thing you do see. Um, so ideally if you know this if the other roof was north facing I don't think we would ask but since it's a southwest perspective um it it feels like the right move aesthetically. Solar panels aren't pretty and so we try to hide them when we can and when we can't we defer to um sustainability and energy consumption but if this is an opportunity to make for a cleaner roof plane with less conduit. Um, I'm hoping that Ethan will agree and the client would agree that the the aesthetics there's not such a sacrifice for performance if if at all that the nailing the aesthetics is worthwhile. While we're waiting for Nathan Ethan to come back, you did have another question regarding the conduit. We see where the electrical panel is. It's well marked. Um we just need to agree on the conduit path um just to to minimize to to make sure it's clean. Do you have a drawing that shows the conduit path or is that something we can quickly map out together? Uh the conduit path uh are you talking about the wood fan conduit to the uh the batteries or from the batteries uh to the power wall

to the batteries and whatever kinds of batteries panels. Well, are we correct on PV2 that it shows the location of what the panel was high into? Yeah, I have PV2 up. Do you need me to pull it up? I'm sorry. Say that again. I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying. No, I was asking Brett if he wanted me to pull up PV2 for sure. You can pull the

Okay, give me one second. He's in the waiting room. Oh, hang on. Got the wrong one.

Hi everybody. I'm here. I don't know if you can hear me now. Sorry about that. I was I was on my laptop and uh couldn't I I hope I'm not too late. I had to switch. Uh are we are you still on 25 fair or did you switch? Yes, we're on 25 fair. Okay. Um we're waiting for applicant to upload PV2. Am I correct? applicant upload. Hang on.

Conduit is not shown on PB2. So, um we we you can show uh we we want to do as much interior conduit as possible. Unfortunately, a lot of it is uh vaulted. Um, so, uh, our our plans are for, uh, uh, exterior roof conduit to, uh, to hook over, uh, the roof edges to get to the locations where our equipment is. Uh, okay. So we see we see PV2 and we can see the equipment that you're tying into is an exterior PV equipment. Our wall contains rapid shutdown switches. That's all on on the left side. All right. Am I correct?

Yes. No. Uh sorry. Uh uh basically the conduit is going to um go into the attic of uh roof two and then penetrate out the sopet and go down to the power walls. Uh and then it's going to come back up. Uh and then from roof two and roof three, we need roof mounted conduit to go to roof one. And then uh route one conduit hooks over uh the gutter edge right where the utility meter is also uh uh there and goes to the Tesla backup gateway that needs to be exterior that's required by code.

By the way that is uh near the utility meter is going to follow the existing uh service mask. Okay. There are two locations that are in indicated as exterior PV equipment. Sorry,

exterior PV equipment. Tesla power wall three and one, two, those are the batteries and that have the rapid shutdown switches. Those are in the rear of the property. Um the conduit that the plan is with conduit to come out the uh the sumpet of that attic. Um and then uh to go uh to go exterior wall mounted to those those power walls. So, it's a short bit of conduit from there. Uh

so, the conduit is internal. It's not on the roof plane. You're channeling it internally. Uh we we want to do as much internal as possible, but um uh our original plan is Did you I send that to you, Rose? That image? Can you share that image? Which one? H the one I sent in your the G chat.

Oh, hang on one second. If someone could even like using blue beam or just like with your finger on a screenshot show if wherever on this image the conduit would go. I think that would clarify. And then to give you a second to do that now that Ethan is on. Ethan, our question to you related to the garage roof planes and there are two sets of panels set A correct southwest facing and set D southeast facing. Um and also facing the road. I totally appreciate the road is very far away. Um yeah,

however that roof plane is the one glimpse of the house you get and you do get that in almost all seasons, right? Um right. The the request is to clean up that roof plane aesthetically if it doesn't diminish too significantly the power output and place those D panels um underneath the A panels. It sounds like you would lose one panel, but it would clean up that facade and aesthetically look much better and we would prefer it. And we're wondering as the designer how you feel.

So, uh thanks. Sorry, sorry for the technical difficulty. Um I uh couple things uh I think just uh from that that specific question uh a couple things. One we've we've done a lot of work on the house uh very specifically as a remodel. Um so uh and that has been to rem remove uh fossil fuel use and to move towards um heat pumps for heating and cooling. And part of that uh part of that uh design was then to um bring in uh New York solar farm and to create a system that's uh uh u has the capacity through both um solar and then solar batteries to uh offset that electric use. And so um so my first feeling is that I think I think this was already mentioned but that that um southeast facade is um uh higher producing. Um I also uh there's some question about so we part of this work as a remodel has been um and I think you you all probably um uh familiar that we there's there was no work proposed from a from a design or structural standpoint uh at that carport area and so the even low I think this is what was being referred to before but the even structural loading on that uh

on that roof is preferable. Um and then uh lastly, I mean I guess this is where we get more into um uh questions of aesthetics. But even though even though that's that roof is generally not visible at any point um from two sides in the sense that uh it's true that sort of in the distance from the end of the road um you may see it and then uh alternatively you may see the other side but you're never seeing both. That being said, um the sort of the the symmetrical layout of the solar for me from a design standpoint is preferable. And then I guess um more

more um philosophically I think the may I ask a question?

Yeah. Um, you you said that moving the the uh D panel array over to the other side of the ridge would make it less efficient. I'm looking at the uh the north arrow and it looks like uh moving it over to to the other side will expose it to more southernly uh radiation from the sun which to me would indicate a a higher or better performance. Yeah, I think I have to defer to be a better performance uh for moving five modules over to the southwest facing uh rear roof. However, uh you would be removing one uh one of those modules and therefore you would actually get less kilowatt hours is what the point I was trying to make.

Yeah. Um, so yeah. So I guess I and and that's it's funny because for me the notion and I think it's kind of present throughout the village and maybe I guess people have different feelings like I think I remember wasn't the first solar panel in the historic district on Church Street on that brick building and I remember you know I think that the notion I'm I think that it's an exciting thing to be able to incorporate solar into the historic turning in the same way. What's that? There's no question about the solar. We're just talking about one array of panels. Sure.

I mean, so yeah, for me, for me, the even the even sort of symmetry of it, I'm more drawn to it, but um you know, I wouldn't want that to hold up the project. I also I don't know if maybe I was wrong about the the lower production. Um, yeah, you wouldn't you won't read the sim as an architect, I I can see why the symmetry so desirable, but you wouldn't read the symmetry, you know, on the ground, right? Because you only see one side at a time.

No, I know uh from most places. Uh, but I think then you end up with kind of a Anyway, yeah, I I mean it's not I don't think it's a huge a huge deal, but I thought it was um you know, then you end up kind of with a lopsided and and it's like an I think it I think what's what uh New York State Solar Farm was saying is it's going to have to would have to be a a run of six and then a run of five. Um, and technically you'd be moving panel.

Yeah. The uneven symmetry again, like you're not even going to see this at all, unless you're flying a plane. Um, the uneven symmetry between symmetrical roofs is because of the fire axis. We we have that fire axis pathway on the Yeah. on the rear there. And that's what's causing one side to be symmetrical with the other. And then the other reason is because of shade on the the garage. And you actually want the symmetry of the roof one. Um to match that of roof three. All right. All right. Two. Let's move on to the to the routing of the conduit, please.

That's not what they're showing there. So the blue line to that to these, right? And then the other one going there. But the one on the left side of the photograph, how does it go back to the um the power wall? Okay. Yeah. So, uh Rose, you shared that conduit. Yep. It's up right now.

Yeah. So, uh, yeah, there's there's a one conduit going, uh, uh, having the DC or the DC wires coming, uh, to the, uh, the garage parkour area. Uh, they're going to penetrate into the attic structure there. Uh, and then, uh, we use a, uh, a cubic like flashing. So, uh, it's like three three layers of flashing. Um, and then the conduit's hidden underneath the attic structure, penetrates out the saw pit, uh, and then goes exterior wall mounted for, uh, about five to six feet to the, uh, power walls. Um,

all right. I I have a question. Uh on the left side on PV2 on the left side there is exterior equip PV equipment Tesla power wall 3 number one and Tesla power wall three number two and power walls contain no I I see a PB yeah yeah what about those that is that are you connecting to that to any extent

you're correct the time. Uh there's going to be uh AC condo coming from them and there's also DC conduit going to them. Um this is they're briefly going from the uh uh the wall that they're mounted on. Uh and then they're going to penetrate the uh the sopet immediately into that attic. Uh and then their attic mounted conduit is going to then go to uh route two array two. And then the exterior roof bad conduits going from there to uh roof one as you see in that image that bro. All right. So you're you're connecting to the equipment on the east side of the building.

Uh the power walls uh are on the uh the west side of the building. Uh, and they're on the actually northwest facing wall of uh uh there's like a little almost shed uh structure that has been created off of the uh the garage carport area. Okay. So there's on the garage area the um west facing facade you have some uh Tesla power wall three number one and number two. So

you have that but then we're thinking that the main uh equipment is located uh on the southeast corner of the building. Um all right. Well, can I pipe in just briefly because that's that's all that that me that um I just want to point out that that utility meter is already there and that's where the electric comes in. So that's Yeah. No, I know. I'm just So I'm I'm just mentioning that in sense that they're not they're not locating that meter. They're just locating they think that the gateway needs to be next to it

connecting picture that I just put up. something connecting to the So it in that picture that uh Rose just sent, you can actually uh uh see that rear uh rear roof there. Um it's internal and we don't see it on the roof. Okay. Yeah, it penetrates the sulfate the connect.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Uh the what you're proposing is that uh a conduit running from uh the B array to the A array. Can you bring the image back up? Hang on. Because I think it showed that Alice is asking if there's a external conduit connecting the A array to the B array. Yeah. image that you had. There's two conduit conduits. One's DC and one's AC

because there's no way of doing interior conduit. Um or you don't really you don't want to do a bunch of exterior wall mounted conduit either. So if you're sharing the screen is just on the previous power wall photo. They just wanted to see the one that said exterior roof mounted conduit. Yes, I'm trying to give me one second. Yeah, no problem. If that's correct now.

Yeah. So, we can do it this way. If there is conduit connecting the A panels to the B panel, a straight shot um on the river side, the southwestern most points, and it's a straight shot, that's fine. So, we just need a we need to indicate it on our drawing so that when we approve it, it's approved with that note. And that's the only conduit that's visible on the roof? No, there's one other conduit um that would be visible from the roof. So there's sorry, there's two conduits from A to B, right?

And then there's uh one conduit from uh F uh the to to the exterior following where the service map mass is going down to the where the gateway is going. Okay. So, am I correct that we're talking about this? Yep. Okay, that fine to me. This Hyundai panel that's 67 in by 44 in. Where is that located?

Sorry, did any questions where is the Hyandai solar modules located? Oh, that's the actual solar panel. Okay, that makes more sense. I was thinking since you have these Tesla batteries that that was the size of one of them, but those are your your Tesla batteries power those are the power walls and those are all um on the riverf facing side of the garage. Is that right? Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Um anybody have any other questions? No questions. Okay. Uh, do I have a motion concerning this application?

I'd move to accept the application as submitted. Uh, well, except we are It doesn't show the conduit run. So, that's with the conduit run as as what do you want to say? Modified. Yeah. Do I have a second? Um, okay. Todd, your vote. I Lauren I and I say I Okay, approve as modified. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you everybody. Y'all have a good night.

You too. Thank you.

Okay. 63 Holding Avenue. I brought some samples of the stone also on a little dusty but Well, this is the image, right? Yeah. That's fine. They'll probably

I mean, this is new construction, so it's not like there's any historic fabric that we're trying to preserve. Anybody have any questions concerning the sample or or the uh now currently what what was approved was a brick veneer. Yeah. And we want to change it to a stone veneer. Okay. Okay. Anybody have any questions? Todd, any questions? No questions for me. All right. Do I have a motion concerning this application? Come on, somebody. I look at them every day. Huh? No.

I mean to approve by motion to Yeah. Do I have a motion concerning the application? Kimberly, I motion to approve. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. I'll second. All right. Todd second. Uh Todd, you're a vote.

I You got it. Thank you. Thank you. Guess this would be a notice, right? Because this is not a certificate of province. There's a change. Okay, moving along. 40 main streets. Okay. All right. Now, uh we're talking about the entrance door. Change to the entrance door.

Right. So you had asked about removing that enter style. These are it's eight panes of glass in each door individually welded. So it's not a simple um we'd have to replace the doors and have new ones fabricated. They can't upgrade the existing doors. Um I have the proposals with me, but it would it would cost us about $12,000 to replace those. You're welcome to take these if they're extended. So

yeah, the second page is so everything with a line and then look like a garage door again. These are the same. This um this this this was before the board um I presume during the meeting that I missed in February. Is that correct? Okay.

Um and at that time, uh we asked because I think what was approved was a um a garage door that would open like a garage door. Um and then what was installed were two um basically French doors with eight panels each instead of four horizontal panels. So at the time we asked if this the garage door that was approved in 2021.

Sorry. Yeah. The garage door that was approved had an egress door within the garage door. So it could both open as a garage door and then you could open swing out or in. I don't remember which one it was, but swing out or in a single egress door to enter or exit. And it all So it was multi it was multiunctional and it had all horizontal panes. Had I just texted you the proposed um modification for these doors, which shows the lights um which look potentially I think closer to the original. Um, let me know if that image is okay.

Ju just if you weren't at the last meeting, they couldn't fabricate the door that opened. So, this was an effort to install something that looked materially similar um but didn't have a function.

Yeah, I think um I I've read all of the communication on this. I think the biggest disconnect is just that we as a board would not allow or approve what is installed. Um, had that been brought up to us at the time, which is what should have taken place, what is what was installed would would not have been approved. It does not meet the guidelines. Um, and it would not be a satisfactory uh installation for the historic district. So, what was specifically approved was maintaining the uh the original structure, which was a garage. Um, and what was installed is really a a a vast departure from that. Um, so I I have a I have a serious problem really with uh you know after the fact after this much time has gone by um just allowing something. It really just it just encourages people to not follow the protocol. Uh a a big period of time passed from when this was approved in 2021 to when the work was actually done. there would have been a you know a giant window to come back to us and talk about other options if that was not

if that was not available any longer.

I would just remind you guys that we made more than 12 e efforts to make contact. We were directed by the mayor to go to the code enforcer. I have that documentation. We were trying for months. We gave a notification of what it was going to look like multiple times. We um notified when it was being installed. We notified when it was completed and that it was ready for inspection. And it was months that our tenant was having their business materially affected that we couldn't get a response. So, um I'm happy to provide that documentation. What I said last time is we were trying to move through this, not you know get into a dispute about um who was or wasn't responsive but um you know it's a significant material cost to us to make what

yeah I can only speak for this I can only speak for our board and our board never got any communication from anyone. So if if village hall or the building department was getting communication about this and did not forward it to us, that's a serious problem. Um we as a board never got any communication about this. It just it just appeared one day.

Yeah, I'm happy to provide all that. Um I don't really know what it gains any of us. What I can say it's, you know, this is a significant cost to us for um, you know, a cosmetic change to something that vastly improved what existed there before. And I would I I would ask you guys to take that into consideration. Well, I I guess um my question would be is how do you see that that is this is a vast improvement over what was there originally? Yeah.

Um I mean we can go back to the you know what was there originally. It was pretty dilapidated but it was a rollup door

was we couldn't replace the rollup door. Well, the the issue, right, the issue more than anything else is that um this is a uh structure that had historic fabric and you know, we're looking to uh incorporate this change and and as uh Todd pointed out the uh the change should be appropriate. I mean, that that's the whole point of the historic district. And uh while sort of understand that there may have been some uh concerns about um the you know getting a response. The fact that you spoke with the the uh the building inspector but you didn't raise it with us.

We were acting at the direction of the mayor. So, if we can't trust the leadership of the village to guide us in the right direction, you know, I feel like we're not we weren't trying to do anything we weren't authorized to do. We're trying to run a business. We're trying not to punish our tenant. I think 12 or 13 efforts to communicate the way we were directed to communicate by the mayor seems to me like we made a pretty strenuous effort to do what we were told to do. And I understand I appreciate everything you're saying. I understand what you're saying. Um if we had been instructed to go back to you guys, that's what we would have done. It's not what we were instructed to do.

All right. What was the other I I I would I would welcome all of that communication to be forwarded to the board. I find it very odd that the mayor would would um as a former historic district review board member would skirt protocol and or be non-responsive about something like this. So, in my opinion, I would need to see a lot of that communication in order to have have my opinion changed on this. I I feel pretty strongly about it is a a designwise um not appropriate at all for the district.

So what if to expedite the process? I mean I know Todd you feel strongly and I think others might as well that I you know the original proposal should be the one installed. But if you're open to it as a compromise, what if we approve this new design which I know you're having issues with your internet and that photo I sent might not have come through. If we all are able to agree or the majority on the retrofit of the doors, not the whole storefront facade, but just the doors to exclude that center million, then we can approve that. And then I think that's what she's talking about.

Yeah, we actually we can't install it as a garage door. We'd have we we'd have told instead of the garage door, my proposal is that we accept the design as built with the change of these two swing doors being modified to remove the center million and that's what we could approve if I can get people's buy in. That's what we could approve tonight. And if you feel that there are certain protocols that didn't happen, you separately sort of address that. But we could tonight approve this. So that I think that's what we're trying to uh to agree to.

But what you're uh is there any problem with you installing these doors? Theoretically, no. Financially, yes. $12,000. It was already like a $40,000 storefront. So it's another $12,000 for us to replace the doors. So that's the issue.

I I totally understand that. I feel like as an interim step, we we can approve this if it's aesthetically something that we're willing to compromise on. Um I mean, we could have two votes. One for existing if we there are enough votes to keep what's been built. Otherwise, a second vote would be to approve this proposed change understanding the financial implications. And then if she, you know, obviously that's a hurdle if that hurdle needs to be addressed sort of in a larger conversation about correspondence and confusion. Um, then that could happen. But I mean, you sent the original certificate of appropriateness, right? So there's probably your email and communication around that. So you you're not hard to find. You're acceptable. And so it's hard for me to say, you know, it, you know, especially when you're across the street and Village Hall is across the street that we're so bureaucratic that it was not possible to um have this exchange clarification happen over the course of multiple years in order for the result not to be this. But since it is this I think a good solution compromise would be to forgo the garage doors which are the historically more appropriate design choice and to allow for this change.

I guess question Todd are you are you saying that the entire garage the storefront needs to be replaced? Did you see this Todd? So this if if if these became the doors, this would like read the garage system. That's what we're This is sort of what we had asked for at the last meeting. Yes, I see. I got came through. That is that's not something that I would

can't hear you. Sorry.

Can you text us what you're saying or put it in the chat on the Zoom? Seems like Yeah, I'm not It's not getting the image. Can you put it in the message on the Zoom? He's frozen. Okay. How are the rest of you feeling? I mean, I I have I what you're proposing I'm fine with. I I don't see the need to replace the entire garage door. I think it it's the two swing doors that are the issue.

I think it's a good compromise. Originally, we were pushing back saying that it's not a garage door anymore. You can't drive a vehicle through it. And it's a it would certainly make it look more like a garage door than what three of the five which is okay she would need four of the five

so do do we want to approve this the the door change and then um I guess if you have if you can forward to us the information concerning communication attempts because I, you know, you're telling us that financially that's going to be an issue. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of mine. A little bit tied.

And maybe, sorry, maybe if I could just interrupt here. I don't think that the the backstory of how the current doors came to be um is something that should directly factor in weighing for or against um granting the COA for this. Um because it's really not one of the board's criteria. Um there are provisions in the code for applicants to apply for certificates of hardship. I don't know if that would be applicable here, but beyond that, I don't think any of that background should really influence the board's decision either way.

Um, Todd has written and he won't see a vote, but I don't think we would need it for this. He says, "What I'm trying to say is that is it not it is not something I can support. I would remind the board that the applicant for the yellow building asked us to approve aluminum and glass doors, and we were pretty veently against it. Approving this after the fact is not appropriate in my opinion. Um if it Yeah. Um yeah. So I think you would just be I think we're not approving it after the fact. We're approving a correction a modification modification to something that wasn't approved. So I think he's saying this was installed and shouldn't have been and any version of this he doesn't approve. Okay. But we don't need to vote.

All right. Sorry. So therefore, do I have a motion concerning application for these doors? I would motion to approve these doors to be instal installed on this doorfront, making the whole installation um appropriate. Oh, I have a second. Okay, Todd, you're he's not there. Gonna try to get back into the meeting on his phone. Todd is abstaining because he's not he's not there. Um Lauren, I I already said I agree with Kate. Y Kimberly

and I vote yes. So four yeses, one abstension. So this is this is what we're going to approve. Um, and uh, if you have any objections concerning that, um, I think that Yeah, let me have these lights off. Um, have you submitted this electronically? No, I just got it today. Okay. So, I actually I sent it to Abigail, but I don't know if you need it in a different format. I just forwarded it to you, but it was pretty late. Um yeah, I can forward that to you in

Okay, if you can forward that to me, I'll go ahead and process that as a notice. So um this is what we'll approve and and we feel that this will this is a compromise which will uh essentially resolve our issue with this. Okay. All right, that's it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. You guys want these coffees or Well, well, actually, yeah, I think because I think um Abby needs to

give us a number, right? That's true. Yes, we do. Okay. Um coordinating the size mean it's not here. Oh, they said they might not be okay. That's not okay. Well, yeah. Okay. The email that I sent earlier. Okay. All right. So that's that's uh I I guess uh he had asked a question concerning that if I remember correctly. 55. Yeah.

Uh I think he asked a question about direction and we said we didn't give him direction outside of the meeting. He gave him he said he couldn't come last month because of St. Patrick's Day. So we put him on Monday. Well, no, he couldn't come because of a family issue holiday. St. I know

it might be a family issue issue. I quote, "He has one day to celebrate his heritage and that was why he not." Um, okay. So now I could have sworn I had his name because the question the question is is that what do we want to uh advise him to do come to the next meeting? Yeah. Or are you suggesting even though he's not here, we can still discuss and advise him?

Well, the fact I mean, he sent us an an email. So, what my thought is is that we should be able to uh at least give him some direction based on that email. I don't think we should be giving direction outside of a meeting for him. I think we should just say to come to the next meeting. That's what I But I mean, isn't that direction? Yes, that would that's the direction. But in terms of anything else, I don't think

No, no. I mean, we there's nothing concerning what he needs to do. But I think that we need to tell him what procedure he needs to follow as opposed to just, you know, ignoring him. I mean yeah ultimately uh we need to tell him what he how he what he needs to do in order to address the issue.

Yeah. So can we ask him to not simply come in but to send material in advance as if he was applying for that window modification um so he can show us what was existing what's proposed what the windows are etc. um because I think Todd or it's been documented that the window aperture has changed size and there have been changes that weren't um approved and so we're basically asking him to retroactively get approval on what has been built. So some materials if he just comes without materials in hand then we'll have to tell him to come back again.

I think he should come with materials in hand. I would suggest anything other than, you know, the simplest of direction to fill out application forms. I would keep that to a meeting. Anything that borders on substantive really should be in, right? Yeah, I do. And it was a family uh emergency as opposed to a crawl. That's what I was told. I I had a sudden death in the family and the funeral arrangements were held on the weekend before the 17th. Oh, okay. Cuz there were two emails. Gee, why are you so so cold?

I don't want to set the date. Yeah, I don't think there were any.

Okay. Um and he says, um, what are my options? I would like to get this issue buttoned up. I don't understand why the size of the windows is an issue as mentioned. I thought it would was material of them that was the problem. Please get back to me. I don't want to find out from a newspaper article like I did last year that I'm not being that I'm being uncooperative. I would like to put this in the past. Whatever you need for me to do, I will do. I respect what you do for the village keeping the historic nature and beauty of it. I mean no disrespect for not showing up. I will fix any issue. No,

then he didn't come to What's the date of that email? Uh, Tuesday, April 21st. Oh, so that's today. I see. Okay. But the previous meeting was not a family issue. It was he just Yeah. So he's missed two meetings now. Maybe more. So you should come to the meeting,

right? So basically what you know uh what we need for him to do is uh to come to the next meeting the main meeting and uh be prepared to discuss what is it that we want him to tell us that there appears to be a discrepancy between what he what when he says the windows were installed olved and when we because of our photos think the windows were installed and so it looks like they were never approved and it is not something we would approve so he needs to come in and

well if I remember correctly didn't we say that uh the windows it's not a question of windows being installed it's a question of modification to those windows right he put smaller windows in a his in a larger historic window opening Okay. So, can we ask him when he comes in to first just prepare an application show with that change so that we have visual material to look at? Right. And and and that's, you know, um what we want him or what we want him to do is be prepared to discuss any the modifications that we feel were performed on the windows without authorization.

Yes. asked for some visuals or we're talking abstractly. Uh, are you still there? I'm here. Yeah. Okay. That's basically what we're talking about. We're talking about modifications to the windows that we never saw that was never submitted to us. Right. Yeah. I don't I don't think at this point that he's disputing um the fact that they were changed. I think that that is is probably acknowledged by all parties at this point. So I suppose he should be like you said submitting an application for what he did and then we need to start talking about what what would need to change for them to actually get approval.

All right. So I I'll respond to this come to the next meeting. Please be repaired. Discuss changes made. authorization. Okay. All right. Getting back to Okay. Actually, this is going to be another notice. Okay. 204 Main Street.

So this is the pool. Okay, that's Vlad. Vlad Musty, is that you one? I can't see that far. muted. Apologies, I was muted. Uh hello everyone. Hello. Hi. How are you?

Okay. So, um the application that uh you had sent that we still have not uh given you a response on uh I guess at this particular point. Um, who would like to comment as to why, you know, what our opinion is or what how do we want to vote on this application? Have have there been any changes to the application since last time we met at the last meeting?

Yeah. No, I I I think I'm at this juncture I'm I'm looking for a little bit of direction. Uh I think I proposed a fairly elegant solution uh to the problem with a facade fence that is uh of appropriate material which would be cedar. And it would mask the entire uh Mountain Avenue exposure as well as you know any kind of it would extend a little bit further just uh to completely mask the exposure there. And uh there's a significant amount of planting as well. I know the board does not take that into consideration but it is spring and uh there will be a lot of planting as well. um significant line of fusia trees. I mean basically the line of sight is about 130 ft as I measured from the closest point. So it's really just uh it's really hard to discern uh from that distance what what the material even is. Not to mention the fact that it's uh from the nonhistoric district side which is sort of splattered with all sorts of vinyl covering and uh whatever have you. Uh so you know I think uh the whole back and forth here was that you know I think uh what we were discussing was taking down the fence completely and replacing it with appropriate material but that's simply way too expensive. Uh some somewhere to the tune of 20,000 or so which you know I think is is not something I could swallow at this juncture. So I think uh

you know a facade fence would check a lot of the boxes and it would uh ultimately make everything compliant that is visible.

Okay. Um I still think that we we still have a problem because it doesn't comply with uh our standards. Um and so I guess uh your proposal was to uh to do what? Basically run uh parallel fence about 1 ft distance away from the existing fence. Uh that is of appropriate material. Uh that's the mountain avenue exposure. That would completely cover the 6ft fence that is currently existing. Uh that is the only vantage point that is visible from street view.

I I did just um walk the dog around the block to to see what could be seen now with foliage coming out. And um B Street and Orchard Street do have vantages to this um to the fence. So you you really have to try. I mean you just I'm just letting you know photographs which you know is not an effort to see it. So I yeah it is visible and while I appreciate the sort of double fencing strategy I don't um I don't think that that sort of negates the issue even so your double fencing strategy is only on one side right?

Yeah it's it's it's on the clear exposure side. uh the other sides. I mean, yeah, you really have to go out of your way to to to spot it. And again, you're dealing with distances of 100 to 200 feet. So, it's really just you probably need some sort of a telescope or vision assistance device to even discern that it is vinyl because the styling and everything else is very classic in line with the rest of the property.

Okay. Um, so you're not proposing any change to what you other than what you already have, right? Am I correct? That's correct.

Okay. Um, I mean, I I I did a lot of diligence on alternate options, but it's just uh it's immensely expensive to do anything these days. And I'm looking upwards of 10 to 20,000 to really do anything that is that would be within compliance. And uh you know I'm trying to find a middle ground here. It still would be a $5 to $7,000 cost. And I understand that I took some missteps in the process, but I think I outlined all my points uh in the uh statement that I uh submitted to you guys as well. Um, so you know, I think I'm I'm just looking to find some sort of resolution that is a compromise of sorts.

Okay. Anybody want to uh do I have comments from the board members? Oh, vinyl is not an approved material. vinyl isn't enough proof. Okay.

Yeah, it's a um a really tricky situation. I I can tell a vinyl fence from that distance. I can see it immediately. I know that I have a more trained eye than a lot of people, but I can tell um and it is something that is explicitly prohibited in our guidelines. So, it is really um not something that I feel like I can vote yes on. Um as we heard um you know we as we've been advised by our attorney, we also can't consider um economic factors when we're making our decision. So, um, even though I feel for you, it's, um, you know, we just had the previous applicant also say that her project was going to cost upwards of $1,000, and we, we just can't take that into consideration, unfortunately.

Okay. Um, Todd, do you have any comments? It's not bad. All right, Kate. Oh, hi, John. Is he on? Todd, you're on mute. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, no, just first apologies for all the in and out. Um, wait. Having lots of issues here. Um, my opinion, from what I can gather, the the applicant is proposing uh installing a cedar fence along the primary

um line of this of this fence, which I I do think is a uh a decent compromise in my opinion. So, um, yeah, I I again I I just I don't have my computer is is out, my Wi-Fi is out. It's the middle of a windstorm here, so I really can't look at anything. Um, it's all to do to keep keep in this meeting on my phone right now, so I don't have a lot to say other than that. Okay, I appreciate that, Todd. I I believe uh uh Donald uh McDonald is also on the call uh and believe he originally submitted the complaint. So I just wanted to see if we can hear him out as well.

Yeah, go ahead, Don. Hi. Um can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Um, this evening is the first time I've learned of this application and um, I understand what Mr. Mus is saying, but I'm going to be looking at basically I want I'd like to know what it's going to be from my angle in the back my backyard. I'm going to be looking right down the one foot wide um, separation between those fences. Yeah. Well, it's easy, Donald. It could easily be addressed with a 90 degree angle that would you wouldn't even have to look at that.

So, and from that that vantage point, it wouldn't it would not even be visible. We could there there's ways to do that. But I think that conceptually we just want to find, you know, an answer to this that does not involve tearing down the whole fence and, you know, some a whole another project basically like Vlad um you had proposed um you know a couple months ago or in the late fall um evergreens and you planted a couple and and I thought that was going a a big way to helping. And so what I just like to know is that you when you said there's going to be a lot of planting.

Yeah. I'll be looking at the corner the whole corner thing from the green to the white. You're going you'll be you're going to be putting a lot of plants there, right? Yeah. I mean that's that's the plan, but ultimately the historic review board does not uh care about plants unfortunately. Uh we love plants, but we can't make our decision based on

You can't make your decisions based on plants. So I I mean I'm I'm saying there will be a lot of plantings. I have 10 thuas uh thuyas in my yard right now uh ready to plant, which I plan on planting this weekend. Uh myself and and all that stuff. You know, I'm I'm just looking to find a way out of the situation. We're all tired of talking about this, I'm sure. Uh, you know, I I just I can't stomach taking down the whole fence at this point and starting a whole new project. I just, you know, I I'm just looking for some sort of uh, you know, leeway here or some sort of elegant solution. I think this is as much as I And and look, I mean, it's not even it's not it's not like it's cheap. It's still 5 to seven grand for me to do this. And it's it's everything is just enormously expensive these days and and I know that's not a consideration but you know if it comes to that like I will file for certificate of hardship.

Okay. I mean it's just I can't you know it's just hard for me to do that. All right. Thank I'm made made of money here. Like I this house has cost me over half a million dollars just to, you know, bring up to livable conditions. It's been a huge labor of love and I'm just looking to find a way out.

Vlad, we understand that you've stated in writing and you know verbally. Don, does that answer your question? Do you or has your has your question been answered? Um well I think Vlad is saying that he's going to be doing a lot of planning um in you know in the the the around the corner and and um to Matt to and that's I'm accept I'm it's okay by me. Okay. That's what I'm saying. And so and I'm not I don't wanna you know I I I have both sympathy for both both sides and I have sympathet like I say I this by just by chance I was watching I I didn't really realize you were on uh so

Okay. Well I I don't want Thank you for joining at the right time. I don't want that but I I just um um okay, look for all the community. I just want a solution that is mutually feasible here. Don, you you have to understand that uh planting is u can be very ephemeral and so uh we can't count on that as something which would uh you know block the view right

of something which is non-compliant. I mean, I'm not I'm not deceased. I'm actually I can take care of the plantings, right, if need be. If something dies, I will replace it. It's just, you know, it's not like a abandoned estate where it's just everything grows wild. I think that was the whole intent of me taking on this project to begin with. Uh, I I I removed a a ton of invader species and all sorts of Anyway, what do we do when you sell the property? I'm sorry. What do we do when you sell the property and the plants die and then the new owner doesn't replace them? Well, it's not happening anytime soon. I can tell you that much.

Okay. All right. But that's not the that's not the point.

Okay, fair enough. Um, does anybody have anything else to add? Okay. So, do we have a motion to approve the application? All right. Um, so we don't have a motion to approve the application. Can we state the reason why uh we the application is being denied because the material of the is is in um doesn't does not comply with the design standards.

Our guidelines on page 22 say vinyl fencing is not permitted. All right. Page 22. Right. Right here. Okay. Um, so with that, I'm I'm calling for a vote uh to disapprove the applicant application based on the fact that it doesn't comply with um the design standards uh as stated on page 22. Do I have do I have that motion? my motion to just final fence.

Yeah. Because it doesn't comply with the design standards stated on page 22. Right. So, you're making the motion. Do I have a second? Okay. Todd, your vote. Uh, I'm I'm abstaining. I I I have not been able to stay on top of this um during the course of discussion. I've been in and out of this meeting. Uh, so I I'm not voting on this. Okay, you're abstaining. Am I correct? Correct. Lauren, I I You vote I on to disapprove. Yeah. To disapprove. Kate,

I I I and I vote I. So there's four uh four votes for disapproving the application. one abstension. So that's basically uh the vote that is taken is you know the your application for the fence is not approved. Okay. So what's next? So, uh, what's next is, uh, we're going to ask you to replace the fence. Okay.

And I guess Jonathan, can you send uh, yeah, for the applicant? Uh, I'm sorry I can't see. I'm off camera, but my name is Jonathan Dejo. Joy. I'm one of the village attorneys. Um, and to answer the chairman's question, um, that's essentially as far as as this board's action goes. Um, I don't know if this, uh, came to the board as a violation. Um, if not, uh, the property could be subject to a violation for failing to comply with the, um, historic review chapter.

Right. Okay. Um, so who do I speak to after this? Because there will be lawyers involved. So, you know, I I just want to know what the next steps are. I I don't think this board has any next steps to to direct you to. Well, there will be financial hardship and all sorts of other things, and I'm willing to set up a whole case for that. Okay. Um, so, can you direct me to next steps, please? All right. Well, hang on.

No, as I just said, I don't believe there is a next step um for this board to direct you to. uh you could file a a new application with a different design presumably, but beyond that um this board's made its decision and there's there's no further review to be had of this application. Right. But upon rejection, there's a whole process by which I could file for financial hardship. Is that correct? Uh there is a provision in the code concerning financial hardship, right? That would be up to you if you would like to pursue that. Yes, I would like to pursue that route. Okay.

So, do I get in touch with you or who else? Um, no, it wouldn't be me. Um, the the the process for doing that is outlined in the village code chapter 64 and that would be you up to you to undertake that process. Okay. Um, so you can't give any direction on that matter? Uh, I cannot Can anyone give any direction on that matter? Sorry, I didn't hear the last part. Can anyone provide any further direction on this matter? Other than that, the the process for I mean, are you going to just point me to a legal document or tell me actually what I have to do?

This process? Uh, no. Actually, because I'm the board's attorney and it would be inappropriate for me to give you legal advice. So no. Okay. Fine. So do I what is the process by which I undergo certificate of hardship application chapter 64. Okay. Thank you. That has those are the uh the ordinances dealing with how the board operates in it. There is a section on um hardship, financial hardship uh application and the criteria that apply. Okay. Very well.

All right. So, take a look at that. Thank you. Um I will uh have to engage legal staff on this. Thank you. Very good. Have a nice evening. All right. Thank you. You too. Okay. Um, can I um can I just ask a question to the board because when you approved um the doors on Main Street, I that was while I was offline. I can't I can't hear what you're saying. 49. He wants to ask a question about those doors.

Yeah. I would just like to know the reasoning behind accepting something after the fact. just it seems like maybe because five years has passed or three years has passed um when we are not following the guidelines at all for that project but we let that go. Um I don't I don't really understand the reasoning for that and then and then not compromising on this uh fence through the trees. I I I just don't really understand the reasoning for approving those doors. We wouldn't let we wouldn't allow aluminum and glass doors for the yellow building at the bottom of the hill. He asked that on multiple occasions that we said no.

So the the yellow building the aluminum and glass doors historic aesthetic for that wood building didn't make sense. I think in this this is I I guess speaking for myself and understanding as much as I do about the history of these decisions for this specific building at 40 main we compromised right we ideally would have wanted the garage door. We felt that the aesthetics of this door modification um was satisfactory, not ideal, but it looked close enough um to not totally start from scratch. um with this fence and putting up a cedar fence uh abudded to the plastic fence on one facade only solves um a certain vantage point and also uh sort of uh just adds visual clutter and still maintains events that wouldn't be approved for any other project. Um, and so it it didn't holistically solve the problem in my perspective and so it didn't make sense to use that as the solution. So they're all quite

Yeah, I guess I I I guess I'm not even suggesting that that necessarily would have been the correct option. I think I'm just really surprised at how much details we ask of all sorts of applications that come through here. Um, and essentially she just the the owner of that building just put in what they wanted to put in and now all these years later is uh is is claiming that it's you know they followed the process and they submitted no details to us. We didn't approve anything. We asked for all sorts of details on every single application that comes through and this is arguably I agree with you. I think you weren't here to say what you're saying now and that project has passed and so I I'm not sure it's worth sort of

Yeah. I mean, we at the previous meeting we were looking at what was approved and we were um we I think it was me, Kate, and Al were we were here and we thought that um the material was actually okay and appropriate and then we thought that it would it it needed to read more as a garage door. So, our suggestion was to to do that. So I think we did ask for for her to come back. Um but at that meeting there was a lot of discussion about what was approved and why and what materials and the details.

Yeah. And and the thing is is that the thing is is that what what is it that you would want us to do? Have her take down the entire uh storefront? I mean well we're asking the exact same thing. We're we're asking the exact same thing for this pool fence. We're asking the entire thing. Let me finish. What was uh approved is not that far removed from what we agreed to. The only entire part well okay that's in your opinion and you know there are five and we all have have our own opinions. Sure,

right? Okay. So with that let's move on. The board business is next. Yeah, I I've got a question for Did anybody aside from me go to this the uh the conference in Coopertown? Yeah, how was it?

It was good. uh I uh I didn't get a chance to spend very much time there but uh it's something which uh I I have the I thought I had the the uh and it was a good conference. It was a nice setting. Coopertown has some has uh some nice historic districts. M

and uh there were a lot of um presentations which uh would have benefited us. But you know we were talking about the issue of uh training and uh I think that the conferences like this are are very good because you get to talk to other people who were dealing with historic preservation. This is specific to New York State and so um it was something which in the future uh keep an eye out for and and one of these days I'll probably go there and enjoy the resort as it is. So it was

was nice place to visit. Okay. So, let's continue on with the uh the agenda board business. Grants of material checklist for new applications. I think we should do this another time. Review items to be posted on village website. Slightly different looking for that. monthly meeting March 17th. It's not the 17th. It's the 21st. Oh, these must be meeting.

Oh, March and April. I knew that. It was a test to see if everybody was paying attention. All right. Finalized materials checklist for new application to review meeting minutes. So we have a no can bring another motion to second. All in favor say I. I. How. How are you voting on that? Okay. Uh I think I said I Okay. as the Wi-Fi comes back on in my