Law Enforcement Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay, we are live. It is March 27th at [Music] 4:30. Welcome to the law enforcement committee meeting. I'm going to open the meeting up for business. We've already took roll call. Everyone's here. We have u Miss Nettles is absent and one on the way. I need a motion to approve the agenda. I'll make that motion. I'll second it. Okay. All in favor say I. I. Okay. Any public comments? No public comments. Okay. If you all have had a chance to look over our last meeting's minutes, I need a motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. Hey, Jackie, I'll make that motion. Okay, I'll second. All right. All in favor say I. I. Will you pass that down to Jackie for a roll call? Okay. Any unfinished business? Okay. Our next is new business. Sheriff, can we have your report, please? Yes, ma'am. Good afternoon. It's good seeing you. It's been a I can't remember the last meeting was December. Um, since that time, our population is growing and going to continue to grow. It looks like um we're currently as of right now at 392 inmates out of 400 beds. We have been over 400 a time or two. So um I would say probably this year during the nail next jail inspection, uh TCI will probably uh

there's a good chance they probably will not approve our inspection if we're overcrowded. we're we're having a a high increase in female population and I would say they'll want to put us under a plan of action but u just go ahead and tell you that but it's with this number coming um and at this rate where we're at um I'm hoping it'll drop back down but u with all the things coming from the feds and the state and what we've got going on locally I don't see it going down but we'll we'll Um if you can look on the stats there, you can still see um what the numbers are broke down. Um but yes, we um yesterday or Monday we were 80 females. We're still 80 females today. That's quite a bit more than usual, isn't it? Yes, we've had a we've had a tremendous increase in female population. Um, what's the cause? It's just the courts the way I mean it I mean theft or beating up somebody or all all the above, Mr. Duncan. Drugs, domestics, thefts, um, coming in to serve time. It just seems like they come in batches and spurts. It's like we cannot get them spread out. But uh um but yeah, we've got um and so when we get like that um sometimes they have to, you know, sleep three to a pod. It's just the way it is. I can't help it. So much you can do. Yeah. But now if they're state, you know, if I've got state senates folks, I can I can shuck them out the door. I've got a county um that is asking for state inmates and uh jail administrators currently going through our

inventory. Uh if the prison won't take them, we'll see what we can do to get them to another county. And u if they want to house state inmates, I'm all for it. I wish they'd take every one of them. So county jails, county jails designed for 11 months, 29 days, and less. Less is best. So I want to give you that. That's a that that is we've been off and on and we we've done really well. Uh but with these with these high these high populations causes assaults, damages, uh we've had a terrible terrible year in this budget with medical for some reason. I've had a number of heart attacks and people that just just they're not healthy inmates. Uh had one guy come in that both legs need to be amputated and we couldn't us and some other counties shucked him around. He had charges here, there, and everywhere. And I tagged you're it and um he and we've tried to set him up to um to get get some help, but um he he just wants to be in jail. You think that's why they come is to get the help? No, we we we've we've we've tried to get this guy some help and uh we've set it up, arranged at the hospital actually uh Hartin and Vanderbilt um had him set up and he said, you know, truck driver and I said I said you're not going to be around to do any truck driving, but you can get new legs if you will go. And he's got insurance and we've had it set up and the doctors and everybody, but I mean it's it's it's pretty sad shape. So, we've we've had some cost on that. Um, we've just we just had a bad medical year and I knew it would catch up with us. We've done well for the last several years. Um, but I I just want you to be prepared going into budget because I'm I

know my budget will be coming up before you here pretty soon. And um I I just I can't help it. It is what it is. I mean, it's just they've been sick. Um, we've had quite a bit of maintenance issues. You I don't know if you're aware, but Cap Outlay and Budget and Finance is is working on some central units that we've stole parts from up front to keep the ones going in the jail. Um, we've we've had to put portable heaters back during cold weather back in the jail again. And now I'm sure the air conditioners will be messed up as we move into the warm season. So if you start getting calls and complaints from mamas and daddies and grandmas and aunts and uncles, we'll do everything we can because if they're hot and cold, we're hot and cold. It's it's the same thing. Um but we prioritize the inmates over us every day. Um, but we're um we're they said we when they I think when they said they put the bid out for those, even if whatever bid we got would be 17 weeks out on getting the units. So anyway, so we're going to have to start phasing out every unit on that jail and um they're they're just they're done. Uh we've got some updates that still need to be done in the kitchen. Some equipment there that's nowhere near the cost as what those units are. Uh the Frank's been working with the capital outlay on the camera system. I think they opened the bid up yesterday on the camera system. It's got to be updated inside the jail and I I think um I was thinking it was going to be over 300,000 but I think the winning award was somewhere in the high 200s. Were those units knew when they the jail was built?

Yes, sir. And the company was defun defunct right after. Keeps coming back to when we did the thing for all the rest of the units. We should have done them then. That I think that wasn't in my wheelhouse nor was I asked. So, um but um yeah, I um the only thing in that program that I got was lowflow water and that's caused an issue. So, I'll tell you the low flow flushing valves when they go bad, we put the old ones back in. And it's c it's caused us more plumbing trouble because in the jail, you've got to have hardcore flush through those commercial uh stainless um correctional um toilets. And it's not like a conventional or even they're nothing like what's in the commercial here in the building. They're it it takes a lot of power to to operate them because they're they're kind of stainless. Yeah. Well, the stainless and they're they're uh they're kind of a an air switch. Oh. And it Yeah, they're they're kind of set up, but it's like pulling the brakes on a truck, if you know what I mean. It it's But anyway, we're we're getting through it. Uh, but I just wanted to tell you the wear and tear on the jail is is there and it's going to be one of those uh now we're we're into the 10year mark and it's just going to be nickeling and dying us to death as we go. Uh, and our population is going to go up, but I hope and pray I never see an addition um to the jail. I know there was some talk about a workhouse. Um that would be the option down the road. Um is is you know getting about 50 super minimum security beds just to the side of the other side of the Sallyport someday. But um I think we all know if we added another thousand

beds, they'd have it filled up in a year when you got 3,000 people on probation or more. So, as long as they got beds, they'll they'll they'll put them in there. Is there something community groups can I mean, we're all trying to do better to to be a part of rehabilitation of in some sort. That church is there for a reason. Yeah. And uh organizations are formed for a reason to even to to back up, you know, do that kind of backup work. And I remember in the past that some have been a part of the jail system. I know a long time ago I was my my men's choir would come and as inspiration that's back way before your time. Yeah. And I I'll address that too, Jackie. I I had um um and I addressed it on Thunder Radio a couple of weeks ago. Uh there was a church here in town. And I was getting some information from uh from a Sunday school class that uh it really bothered me uh that I was not um you know religious and you know it was questioning my spirituality and uh it really bothered me and I had to explain to him when I took office our jail was under um unofficial DOJ probation. um local FBI called me and said, "Look, there's a file on the jail. Um you've got way too many federal lawsuits laying on your desk." I said, "I see that." And they went over several things with me along with the comprollers's office and we worked on that and we cleared all that up. But during that time, um, they had to talk to me about religious services because you cannot just open the doors and let people into the jail. The inmates have to request it and those that request get the services in which they request. Uh, but I can't just let any diff different

type of of organization go into those sales because as full as we are and with our interstate and with all the out oftowners that are not of Coffee County likeminded, uh, I've got Murish, I've got a lot of Muslims, Catholics, I've got every kind of denomination across the board in the jail and uh, every one of them's looking for a lawsuit and if they hear something that is not of their standard than they're writing the the federal courts. And u fortunately the judges are um you know there's been a lot of automatic dismissals on suits that I didn't even know we got a letter we'd get a letter in the mail and said we dismissed this. We didn't even know we that they had filed. But inmates sit back there and write lawsuits out. Um we've had baptisms. Um we're probably fixing to u there there's a couple of folks uh that we're probably going to work on uh with that and um you know they all want to pull together and they want to uh talk to their family through uh the visitation system that we've got and they want to cry foul and they want their inmates are unionizing on us that uh they're being mistreated and this and that and and it's and it's because our jail is probably the driest and tightest jail in our region. Um, so the fact that Hamilton County Sheriff has gotten with me and and is going to pick up the same standard that we have. Um, so as if you get calls on that, you're welcome to come and see. Um, when the jail was built, um, this room's bigger than any classroom in that jail. So, what's that tell you? I mean, there's just not room in there to do. We've got movement every day with courts. Uh the courts are basically five days a week running through the jail in those rooms. I've got a court officer

that two court officers that basically work at the jail handling the courts through uh um Skype or closed circuit TV and that kind of stuff. But we have so much medical movement. We have so much movement with courts and um transporting of inmates going to other counties, other inmates coming in from other counties. I mean, there's just it's not like it was back when I started where every Saturday and Sunday everybody went out on the old football field and the fried chicken and the pies come and everybody got to co-mingle. The whole jail would empty out. You can't do that now because I've got co-fendants in murder cases. I got co-fendants that are witnesses tech testifying against one another. And if they get it with inside of sound of each other, they're going to kill each other. So, there's a lot of classification and separation. It is a small prison and you don't go down to TDOC and just do whatever you want whenever you want. So, Mr. Jackie, to answer your question, I hope that answered some of your question, but we uh we provide what is requested when when they're requested. Um they want to use uh our spiritual folks. It it really is really bothered me. I know it's bothered my staff, particularly Tammy Warren, my jail administrator. Um you had one got deputy in there that baptized folks but did a good Well that was Yeah. And uh and and that there again that is a violation of the law because you know I cannot be doing that. Yeah. I can witness it. Yeah. But I can't that's that is an extension of government. Yeah. Well I'm sure he was acting on his own accord. Well he's doing it in uniform. So that all had to be stopped. Just make him take his uniform off. Yeah. He's not there. And they're real sensitive about that in Washington DC. And I don't I want Washington to stay in Washington. I want Washington to leave us alone. I don't care who's up there. I want them to stay up there and leave us alone. Let us take care of our stuff here. U. But there's a lot of those issues that that come with

that jail with the dietary issues. It seems like we've got some skin-headed white boys that all of a sudden want to become Muslims. And that throw I mean it just throws up all kinds of and I don't know why because that Muslim diet is awful but they do that to be play games with us. You change their attitude about being peaceful and want to be peaceful. Well, they don't get any they don't get any sugar and they don't get any sweets and uh so u that yeah it's dry. But anyway, I wanted to give y'all that update uh on on that and um you know, the bud budget's coming out. We've had some in we've had some increases. I did a pretty good increase in overtime because of things the way we're going to work Bonnaroo is going to get rearranged, but most of that Bonnaroo overtime would probably come out of the special fund here, but I've got a budget for it and go that way. So, the district attorney general's had a and I've had a conversation and um we're yeah the way B we're going back old school with Bonnaroo and even though it's in the city it's he's got deep concerns about enforcement show of force. That's what I was fixing to ask you. So, y'all are going to start helping with Bonnaroo again? Well, we're going to do I'm I mean I'm not there working for Bonnaroo, but we're going in there for enforcement. Yeah, we're going to be visible. Um, as far as like undercover stuff, no, we we don't do that. That's that's pointless. Um, but we're going to we're going to be there um visible and very active in drug enforcement and whatever enforcement we have. Um, and the General Northcot feels that we need to take care of that. So, uh, Manchester will need to work on, uh,

rearranging their traffic program with some other agencies and, you know, that kind of thing. So, we're we're gearing up for that. So, I guess when it comes to Bonnaroo, you get more court cases, more jail time, and everything else from the drugs. So, somebody, it's just another problem. Yeah. A lot of citations get issued. A lot of them are misdemeanor citations and they get worked out, but they're I would say, you know, fortunately we've not had um the amount of rest out there in times past. A lot of it comes I mean they Bonnaroo has really changed the atmosphere out there. It's not as bad as it was in the early days. Um but this is the this is what the DA wants and I guess we're going to do it and I agree with him. Um and we'll see how it works out. But, you know, somebody's out there smoking marijuana, they're going to get a ticket. That's what he wants. So, um, that's that's what what we're going to do. So, they've got to set forth the uh the manpower to do that. And, uh, we still have a gate we have to work. Um, we still have about 200 acres of the venue that's in the county that we take care of and we're actually responsible for. But u yeah, it's going to get intensified out there whether they like it or not. So, give you that warning. Um we've uh had some um pretty highprofile pursuits in the last month that just had to happen. I've lost some vehicles very unfortunately, but that's price of doing business. Uh, one man was avoiding circuit court looking at 20

years and um, he he caused me to lose two cars. And then we had a the detectives were trying to serve a murder indictment the other day on a young lady um that fled, got back out on the interstate and we ended up losing some more vehicles over that. But um we've been lucky in in the past, but um I'm u sheriffs have got to serve warrants and sheriffs have to um they have to go after the criminals and we can't take this passive attitude of no pursuit. You know, we're we've I've probably done more than anybody in the past of curtailing and picking our battles. Um but um if you if you have a zero pursuit policy, if you then then it crimes just rampid and that's what's happened with our cities across the state. What happens when you have a chase and an accident? Who pays for that? It depends on who's at fault. So some of the people fleeing have insurance? No. No, I didn't think so. No. No. So, they blame some of it on the county. Oh, we're we're getting it regardless. We get it every time. Whether we're in the right or the wrong. Um it's kind of like driving a big truck. If you have a fender bender and that 18-wheeler's going down the road, it's automatically their fault just because they're an 18-wheeler. So, if you got a government tag on your car, you're automatically at fault. I can't do it. I'm not going to do it. Um, I'm going to, you know, my supervisors and my deputies are going to try to use good judgment. Um, we've had incidents running through school zones. We've I don't we cut that out. I you know, we try to keep them out of the cities. We do everything we can and that's why I'm losing cars. I would

rather take that car and immediately get it stopped than for it to get inside the city of Manchester or Tahus. And but sometimes we can't avoid it. Um, we use our stop sticks and have been very successful with that. Just been open with everybody that yeah, we've we've had some humdingers here lately, but it that's the way it's always been. It just comes in craziness comes in cycles. It's in the signs of the calendar and we may go six months and not have anything. But it just makes me sick that I've lost vehicles. But fortunately uh you know we've not had anybody seriously injured but we have had in years prior where people have got seriously injured and or killed. Um I hear every now and then about some somebody getting stopped on the interstate or something. You have much interstate activity. Oh it's it's 10,000 calls a year. I mean as far as wrecks and Yeah. Now you you you actually work have to work them. We're the first ones to get the call. Okay. Um it's amazing how many accidents there are on interstate the interstate I20. You thinking? Yeah. Just keep going down the road. Uh I24 traffic is is tremendously increased. And if you're doing anything coming from Nashville or Murphy'sburg to Manchester in morning or or afternoon, you stop and go. Yeah. It's it's nuts. I did yesterday. Uh, I think there's more traffic now on I 24 than there ever has been on I 65 going to Birmingham, but this Atlanta corridor. Um, but you know, I know you see that in in the social media and with u regular media what's going on and you see the marked units all crashed up. That's what's that's what happened. I'm going to try to take some uh

mitigation efforts to increase our uh shielding on the front of them. The the shielding that we've had is is really gotten pitiful. They've started making them their are security bumpers out of or push bumpers out of aluminum. And um I'm going to look at the newer vehicles that that we get in the future of actually putting a little little heavier steel uh front bumper on them. So that I mean if you if you lose a uh headlight assembly in one of these police package Fords now they're like 1,500 bucks a piece. Crazy. It's just nothing's. It's just got pricing of parts is nuts. But anyway, we uh zip tie them, duct tape them back together, bondo them, whatever we got to do, rattle can some white paint on them and put them back to action because we don't, you know, we're not we're not parading, we're working. So they're they're a tool on the tool belt. When you get through with them, they're not worth much anyways. No, no. I want I want to I want to squeeze as much out of them as I can safely. Safely. But um uh Miss Jennifer, you think of anything else? Uh we've covered jail incidents that's been reported here lately. Population um budget coming up. Um, we've we've of course we've had some maintenance stuff that contractual stuff that it's gone up like everybody else in there, but I don't think we've had any major major increases in our budget. When did you say the TCI inspection might that will be later on this summer they'll they'll show up generally they'll they'll pop in of the summer. Uh last year we were overpopulation and they wanted to put me under a plan of action and I um mitigated that and they

came back 30 days later and said, "Oh, your population's great." So, uh yeah. So, we got the certificate on the wall. But I I I would have appealed that one. If they did, I would have went to the TCI board and we were over 15 women and I'm like, you're not going to put us under a plan of action for 15 women when I got county jails in the state that's 1500 over. You're not. Yeah, I'm not. It surprises me that that the women population is as strong as Well, but if you but if you look at the percentage, the female population is only 20%. Okay. Okay. And we're 80%. But this is a male population. Seemed like an real increase over what it used to be. It used to be every all the knuckleheads in deal were men. Used to be did some stupid things. Well, you know, women gained their independence and they, you know, they start they wanted to get out. They wanted to get out. You know, back up. They wanted to they want they want they want they want to battle more now. If you tour the jail, you'll see females. Don't go there. Well, I'm and and I guess I'm I'm working with an organization. I'm not per se. They were trying to get under I was on the board of board of directors for a while. The uh it's a book club there in Tele. Yes, sir. That um Doc Mlo is over and and I just I don't see how I can do it. I've had so many other things going on in my life. But uh anyway, we've talked that over. they are they are looking for projects like these. I'm just wondering if if they're getting access to them if if if you know if they if because I know there are a lot of great churches within our community. A lot of great people who want to do better, want to help send everybody to heaven and get

everybody to go to heaven, you know, and that thing. Well, Mr. Duncan, I I'm and I know this is sensitive and people are watching or will watch it on YouTube, but I'm going to sum this up and I'm pretty straight talking and that's just the way I am. Everybody wants to hunt in a high fence hunting lease. Everybody wants to fish from a stock pond, right? And that's kind of way the jail is. It's fish in a barrel. And those inmates like to con are good citizens into stuff. There's there's there's I would say 0.5% get are really sincere of trying to change their lives. And what I need if for those people that you're speaking of and and people that want to do stuff, I need them out here in in the areas that where the where the problems are and getting to those folks before they get in trouble. I agree. I need them in I need them at Dawson Apartments. I need them at Lakewood Park. I need them at Toma Village. Um I need them in Oakley subdivision. Uh, that's what I want. And And I I I had a list of 150 pastors all fighting to get into my jail. I I you I just can't do it. Yeah. um well they need to they can organize and and you know I also reiterate when are we going to do it because I've got I've got it's not like it was in the olden days and and I'm doing good to have the staff to maintain order and security. Every jail's that way. Floyd Bonner out in Shelby County is 400 and something employees down and we're all in the same percentages. U I lost a deputy this week

left going to Franklin County. Um we you know I'm not even going to go down that road about employees, but we we are getting by doing what we're supposed to do and the extracurricular activities. I don't know when you fit them in, but nobody wants to come after 5:00. Nobody want, you know, that it's all they want to schedule when they want to come when it's convenient for them and and it it's it's it's hard to do that. Um we we have set times and dates of what we've got to do during the day and our day starts about 4:00 a.m. and it's generally not done till after 6:30 or 7 and by that time everybody else is well I've got to go do this and I've got to go do that. Um, it's just uh I believe there are some folks out there that would that would Is that something you need to say? No. I believe there are people out there that are sincere enough that Oh, yeah. that want to want to do something bad enough because they see the breakdown, right? It's such a breakdown families and and and it is. But if it is of a spiritual religious nature, it has to be asked for. I can't right force it on them. Right. Years ago, I was through my church going to on Sunday to the jail and speaking to people. But you know, there's always going to be some in that sale because they're not letting them out. Yeah. That don't want to hear it. So, you can't deal with that, can you? Well, because those people are going to be raising gain saying, "I don't want you to hear it." I think if you present something good enough like our churches, there's enough good people out here, great choirs. I know my men's choir used to come up here 30 years ago and and we

would have an audience. We would really have an audience. Well, and I didn't get to church either. I we used to when I was a corrections officer, we we did a lot, but like I said, the the US Supreme Court has changed the way we do business and uh well, we need to Well, we see the way society is going. Oh, yeah. Well, it's up to us to if we're a part of society, then maybe we need to talk to the courts about this, you know. I I don't want to be the coffee county cannot afford to be the case agent on it. I know. I know that we don't want to be the case. There are a lot of good people out there that will that if they know there's a problem and know what the problem is, they'll they will address the problem. And uh well, and I don't and I'm still a part of that group. I I will go on to say this. So, I was in Nashville some this week and the labor workforce development representative got with me and there's just all kinds of money being thrown at re-entries, all kinds of money being thrown at this. Look, I I've had Keith Hayes out at VIAM has begged me and begged me and I have I have sent people to him and I've done this and they will not go and work and that's the reason the Haitians are here and they get out of jail, they talk a good game, but as soon as they're freed up or they're off of halfway house or they're off of they're gone. We need some followup on that. They're they're gone. But who's going to follow up? Who's going to pay for it? And who's going to do it? There are people here that will. I do. I know there are. And and do it through the courts. Yeah. You know, do it the right way. Um we're our courts are running out the scene to the point that we need another General Sessions judge, whether it's a criminal judge or a juvenile judge. Our dockets are terrible. Um and the county needs to be prepared for that. It is our housing may be stopped, but if y'all can figure out how to put a moratorum on crime, I

would love to hear that. I started to say if you had if you had more judges, you'd probably end up with more people in the jail. If y'all can figure out how to come up with a moratorium on crime, I'm all ears. Um but um yeah, so um it's they're going there's going to always be crime. We know that you're going to always have a job for you. The the stats stats are going up, but I I'll answer any other The goodness is going to always overweigh the bad. We just got to figure out how to put it in there. Get it in the game. Thank you, Sharon. Yeah. Thank you, Jackie. Um, we're going to talk about judicial. Well, while the judge Yeah. Sheriff's here, I'll I'll go ahead and Miss Baker's reports next. And you all have that in your packet if you just want to read over it on your own. But you might get with her, Jackie, and check, you know, these people on probation when they're outside of the jail. That may be you might check with her sometime and see if a way to cuz like like the sheriff said, and and there's some people you just can't help. Well, some people don't want to help. You're right. I would I think that's a minimum though that a bare minimum that would that is true about everybody where there's hope. If there's hope in somebody's life, I think that Oh, I agree. And and Miss Baker, like if you talk while they're on probation, might be a good time to get is always out there. So, while they're out of jail. Easier. Easier. Yes. Okay. The next on the list is um judicial commissioner report. Sheriff, do you know anything about the what's going on with the judicial commissioners? I we have them. Um we've been having a trouble here lately with uh I I don't know. Um if if they need to be there needs to be a really in-depth more training with them um on setting bonds. Um we had a I got a call couple of weekends ago on a Saturday morning. We had a young man

that was arrested for DUI, you know, just a normal first offense DUI. A magistrate said a no bond for DUI. Well, that's what I said. Uh-uh. So, daddy gets a hold to me and I'm I verify it. Sure enough, um there was no bond set. I went through the roof. I got a hold of a judge. Judge got that nipp. Same magistrate two or three days later, city of Manchester arrests somebody on a domestic violence bond was set at 50 cents. Oh god. Now how embarrassing. Very 50 cents. So these are not games to be played with at the jail with these magistrates. They don't work for me. They work for you. But um they're going to have to pay attention to what is being done with these bonds. And I cannot stress that. Um but 50 cents on a domestic violence now, how would that blow over with John Kofelt? Um somebody out here, whether it's male or female, has the hell beat out of them and five minutes later they've made went and threw two quarters down and walked out of the jail. That's just sounds like sound like an insult to somebody right there. I'm I'm not happy about it. Do you know if they still go to that state? You know, there's a state commission. Honestly, I do not know what they do other than I hear a lot of yaking over there all day long. And I don't know if they're Google lawyers or what, but um I'm not I'm not happy with the situation from my point of view of what's going on. Um, I I wish there was legislation coming that there had you had to have a law degree to be a magistrate like many counties those uh classes but I don't want to end up like

Shelby County Memphis. I I don't I don't want to be in on statewide national news over something stupid, right? And uh I'm not their boss. I don't you know I but there is laws that we have to make suggestions. Here's their criminal history. Um this and that. But it it that that's just beyond common sense. Well, is there any review for that? You are the body of review and the mayor and the mayor and the mayor. Well, you don't even have a magistrate supervisor. So, somebody needs to lead that charge. It hasn't, you know, I'm glad we've got some magistrates, but somebody somebody needs to be designated as a supervisor. We've not had one since Bobby Trail left and he was a gym dandy. Best thing we ever had. He was and I I had talked to Jud before he passed away about all that. And well, we're going to we're going to have to have some leadership there and um somebody that's that is staying on top of this situation because it could be any of you family, friends, or what it doesn't matter. Joe Blow citizen driving down I 24. Um, but going from one extreme to another, this this bonding issue, the way these bonds are being set, you know, there's not a uh there's not a price listing. You know, it's not like going to Walmart and here's the price list for the milk and the bread. It's everything is individual per case, per a person's history. What is their chances of not appearing in court, so forth and so on. And all that has to be weighed out on the scales of justice inside that room with that magistrate. But 50 cent bonds and no bonds on misdemeanor DUIs. Um I thought for some reason it was like at

least $300 bond. Well, generally a DUI first is $1,500. I mean, there's a there's a range there. A DUI second would be double that. DUI thirds, fourth, fifth, whatever goes on and on and on. But, um, you know, domestic violence is is weighed out. And that that folks, domestic violence is serious. Yes, sir. That is that is that is serious serious business. And uh I'm starting to send word through the law enforcement officers. You know, I'm I I'm not there 24 hours a day. I'm around 18 hours, but there's a few hours I slip off. But, um, I I make those officers follow up and if there's a problem, they need to ring my phone so that I can ring somebody. Um, if I've got to wake a judge up or if I got to wake a DA up, but that's going to bite us one of these days. There is a a class they have every year. It's the I can't remember the name of it, but it's like the judicial commissioners of Tennessee put on and and they bring judges and lawyers and they go over a lot of the liability and about how you set bond. I don't know if this set of judicial commissioners is even go into that. I I don't I don't I don't know. But, you know, it would may be good that that you as the chairman of this body probably summons all of them in here at some I mean, it it they probably need to be here moving forward and going over that stuff, but that's because they don't have any supervision. There's no there's no set leader and we've had that. There's always been a lead and somebody that's took care of payroll, somebody that's took care of getting the budget in. And we don't have that. it it's just willy-nilly and it's time for willy-nilly to be over with and u well I I the the few ones I have spoke with said they have and I won't say a name but the one that's been there the longest is who like well sometimes been

there the longest can make you the dumbest okay don't disagree with that I don't personally know there's there's people that's been there a long time just because they've just sat around and been a you know a seat warmer would that be Dennis's the mayor's uh job to appoint somebody or would it be this committee? Has been has been in the past, but I I would really u I think of the ones he's got. Um he he would really need to make some consulting with me and the judges and particularly the DA on who that would need to be. But I'm asking formally asking this board to help me with that before we all get as as the former district attorney general used to tell me, Chad, you're going to make me look like Clarabel the Clown tomorrow. So I don't want to be I don't I don't want I don't want John Kofelt making us look like Clarabel the Clown. Don't many of them remember Heidi Duty and Clarabel the Clown. That used to be Buffalo Bob Smith. But it is and and and you know um we've got some good magistrates, but it just takes one just like you know I've got some good deputies. It just takes one deputy to do something stupid and you know it ruins makes us all look bad. Well, I appreciate you making us aware of that problem because I was and I don't think any of us were. So I've I've held my tongue for over a year but recently this this I'm this this is it's unacceptable. I'll stop in there next week um and talk to them and get with Dennis and we may have to have a special Yeah. called meeting just with the judicial commissioners, but I'll get with all y'all. And well, they're they're a separate A lot of folks out here think they work for the sheriff, but they don't. They they're they're a they're independent from me. I I mean, I can go over there and jump up and down and yell and scream and raise cane, but they don't work for me. So, well, I I appreciate you making us aware

of that problem because I had no idea. As far as I knew, everything was running pretty smooth. So, we needed to know that. Well, well, just can't keep her, you know, that's No, that that's uh little things we can we can tweak, but you know, at 3:00 in the morning, ridiculous. when nobody when nobody is um you know anybody of any administration is around at times and you know and I and I get on the officers I'm like how in the world did you well they said it well you you need to stop right there and they're scared to these younger ones are scared to and I'm like you look you you've seen enough of this come through here you ought to know I mean 50 cents I thought it was a typo and they're like no it's Um, okay. Yeah. Unacceptable. We'll get the ball rolling on that. Appreciate it. Thank you. ASAP. Very late now. Okay. We need to hear. Anybody else need have anything else? I appreciate it. We appreciate you. Yes, sir. I'll wait till we um I'm not going to set the time and location of our next meeting. We may have one before the normal quarterly one since we have this issue. So I'll get with uh Dennis and the sheriff and if anybody wants to go with me to talk to the judicial commissioners next week. Let me know. Okay. Because I'd appreciate some one of y'all going with me and yeah some support. And I mean everybody we all need to be involved in it. Yes. Send time and date. Okay. Okay, I need a motion for adjournment. I'll make it. Second. Second. Everybody in favor?